RE: [NF] M$ wins out over RH Linux in China (TechRepublic article)

[Michael Hawksworth]

And they plus SUN, Solbourne etc. Still do the same.

Regards
Michael Hawksworth

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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] M$ wins out over RH Linux in China (TechRepublic
> article)
> 
> Bill didn't make this stuff up, he learned it from IBM.
> 
> The first computer I ever worked on for pay was a freebie, obsolete
> IBM709 given to the Univ. of Fla in the early 60s to hook them into the
> IBM way...
> 
> And Tom Watson learned if from drug dealers over the centuries...
> 
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Seems that they are pulling the same stunt they did in India.  Give
> it away, and let the people grow up with it as well as design in it.
> Bill is pretty brilliant in that he is doing a repeat of what Apple did
> by giving away to schools 25 years ago.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: [NF] M$ wins out over RH Linux in China (TechRepublic
> article)
> > From: MB Software Solutions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Mon, July 30, 2007 6:49 am
> > To: Profox 
> >
> >
> > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=525&tag=nl.e101
> >
> >
> > "Microsoft realized that it was powerless to stop widespread piracy
> > in China, so it simply threw up the white flag. If Chinese users are
> > going to pirate software, Microsoft wants them to pirate Microsoft
> > software."
> >
> > The comments following the article were interesting as well.
> >
> >
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RE: Email mess

[Lew]

Bingo! Outlook crapped out on me two weeks ago and stopped processing rules for 
some reason. I entered them
again and now I see there are two for ProFox. Disabling one of them fixed the 
problem. Thanks.
-Lew 

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Lew, I once had the same thing happen to me.  The reason for the duplicate
emails in my case was that I had two rules that placed messages into the
folder where I have the email from ProFox dropped so it is separate from the
regular email I receive.  Just a thought.

PabloSr
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Re: Strip non-ASCII characters

[Andy Davies]

  Ricardo Aráoz 

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Andy Davies wrote:
>> Don't think this will work...
>
> it works!
>
> Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP
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>Does it?

No, I assumed, without reading it,  that Ed had posted his usual code
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ProFox List Statistics for July, 2007

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ProFox List Statistics
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Subscriber Count at End of Month: 357
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Total Posts: 2034
(Up 17.37% from June, 2007)

Total [OT] Posts: 664
(Up 35.51% from June, 2007)

Total [NF] Posts: 684
(Up 23.02% from June, 2007)


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Distinct Posters to the List
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OT messages: 35 (Down 10.26%)
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  4.   67   Ted Roche 
  5.   59   Alan Bourke 
  6.   50   Michael Madigan 
  7.   48   mrgmhale 
  8.   34   Ken Dibble 
  9.   31   Pete Theisen 
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Re: [NF] Help Translate Dabo!

[Ed Leafe]

On Aug 1, 2007, at 2:51 AM, Eyvind Axelsen wrote:

> About how many words/phrases are there that need to be translated?  
> I could do a Norwegian translation, given that you are interested  
> in that and that the amount of work is not totally overwhelming.

It's a lot - over 1100 items. But one of the nice things about this  
translation service on Launchpad is that you can do as much as you  
can, and someone else can also work on it, with the result that  
slowly but surely the bulk of it gets done.

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RE: [NF] Sticking with Office 2003 is a better choice than Office 2007

[David Smith]

I used MSO2K7 for a few months and then bailed out and went back to 2003,
primarily for ease of use. The ribbon is a cool idea but not having the
option to use the old menus really blows. I also really dislike how they
changed the default formatting for spreadsheets and documents. I've been
playing around with the SharePoint Server and most of the really cool
functions depend on the use of the newer formats... So irritating. What am I
supposed to do, run out and upgrade the 200+ Pc's I oversee and then
reprocess the thousands of sheets and docs already out there? It's just dumb
to not include tools for earlier versions of Office, and if anything it
makes me want to deploy Open Office that much more. 


David Smith
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Subject: Re: [NF] Sticking with Office 2003 is a better choice than Office
2007

On 7/31/07, Rodney Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After upgrading my work version of Office from 2003 to 2007 I would 
> have to agree.  The ribbon concept actually isn't that bad ONCE YOU 
> GET USED TO IT.  That is my biggest gripe right there.

I've been using Office 2007 for about 5 months and I have to say I really
hate the ribbon interface with a passion.  By biggest gripe is that you need
to use the mouse to do everything!

You can't turn them off and they eat up tons of screen real estate.

Office 2007 breaks just about GUI style guideline ever written, including
Microsoft's own.  I would go back to 2003 but I've got customers to support
running 2007.

--
Paul


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Re: [OT] The Sky is Falling! - Consumer Confidence hits 6-year High

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 08:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This is awful news for the Ds.  If we are prosperous, we may not need them.
>  They must do something about this!
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QNM25O0&show_article=1'

Hi Larry!

Interesting that the stocks went down after good employment news. The suits 
hate and fear the workers, rejoice at widespread worker suffering, and become 
depressed at the thought that the lower classes might be getting part of a 
share.
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[NF] I want it all on my laptop

[Stephen . Russell]

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Re: Dabo Virtual Machine for Firefox/IE?

[Man-wai Chang]

>   I'm glad you have such grandiose dreams. Me, I want to be able to  
> create a great tool for building desktop apps in the best language  
> out there, Python.

Well, desktop app could be run inside a terminal server screen. :)

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RE: [NF] Sticking with Office 2003 is a better choice than Office 2007

[Tracy Pearson]

You can minimize them to get some screen real estate back. Then they act
like a graphical menu instead of being in your face ugly all the time.

Right click on the Office icon in the upper left.

I've not been able to get Word to save the save as older version since most
of the other users here at the office are still on Office 2003, that's a bit
annoying. Luckily I don't create to many Word documents.


HTH,

Tracy

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:05 PM

On 7/31/07, Rodney Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After upgrading my work version of Office from 2003 to 2007 I would 
> have to agree.  The ribbon concept actually isn't that bad ONCE YOU 
> GET USED TO IT.  That is my biggest gripe right there.

I've been using Office 2007 for about 5 months and I have to say I really
hate the ribbon interface with a passion.  By biggest gripe is that you need
to use the mouse to do everything!

You can't turn them off and they eat up tons of screen real estate.

Office 2007 breaks just about GUI style guideline ever written, including
Microsoft's own.  I would go back to 2003 but I've got customers to support
running 2007.

--
Paul



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[OT] The Sky is Falling! - Consumer Confidence hits 6-year High

[richmondeagle]

This is awful news for the Ds.  If we are prosperous, we may not need them.  
They must do something about this!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QNM25O0&show_article=1'

Larry Miller

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Re: [OT] The Sky is Falling! - Consumer Confidence hits 6-year High

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 08:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This is awful news for the Ds.  If we are prosperous, we may not need them.
>  They must do something about this!
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QNM25O0&show_article=1'

Hi Larry!

Have a look at this link beside it. The sky IS falling, God's wrath upon 
us . . .

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=3784

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Re: [NF] M$ wins out over RH Linux in China (TechRepublic article)

[Man-wai Chang]

> When I was in medical school some time ago a doctor in China was being paid 
> $30 US per month. He or She could not possibly afford a computer with M$ 
> software in those days.

I just hope those doctors were not working for money, but serving the
community with their best and that they didn't graduated by luck in
examinations. :)

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Re: [NF] Help Translate Dabo!

[Grigore Dolghin]

Ed

I would like to translate Dabo in Romanian. Please give me 
instructions/access/strings/whatever it is required.

Thank you.

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> On Aug 1, 2007, at 2:51 AM, Eyvind Axelsen wrote:
>
>> About how many words/phrases are there that need to be translated?
>> I could do a Norwegian translation, given that you are interested
>> in that and that the amount of work is not totally overwhelming.
>
> It's a lot - over 1100 items. But one of the nice things about this
> translation service on Launchpad is that you can do as much as you
> can, and someone else can also work on it, with the result that
> slowly but surely the bulk of it gets done.
>
> -- Ed Leafe
> -- http://leafe.com
> -- http://dabodev.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] M$ wins out over RH Linux in China (TechRepublic article)

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 09:19, Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > When I was in medical school some time ago a doctor in China was being
> > paid $30 US per month. He or She could not possibly afford a computer
> > with M$ software in those days.
>
> I just hope those doctors were not working for money, but serving the
> community with their best and that they didn't graduated by luck in
> examinations. :)

Hi Man-wai!

Yes, just like all the good comrades in China were - then. I understand that 
China is moving away from communism now?
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Re: [NF] Help Translate Dabo!

[Ed Leafe]

On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Grigore Dolghin wrote:

> I would like to translate Dabo in Romanian. Please give me
> instructions/access/strings/whatever it is required.

You do have to set up a (free) account on launchpad.net. Once you  
do, go to https://translations.launchpad.net/dabo/trunk to see the  
status list of translations to date. There will be a link on the left  
that says "Your preferred languages"; click that, and find "Romanian"  
in the list of languages. Save that, and when you return you'll see  
that language added to the list. Click on 'Romanian', and you're  
ready to start translating!

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[NF] Up to their old tricks

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

Many years ago (hint, the year didn't have a '2' in it), one of the 
management team for VFP asked a bunch of us 'gurus' for suggestions for 
the next version of VFP.

I suggested that better error messages would make our lives as 
developers easier. Instead of "file not found", something like "file 
 not found". You know, simple things like that.

The speaker laughed at me, in front of 75 or so other people. Not a "oh 
boy, you got us there!" kind of laugh, but a "you are one stupid 
motherfocker" ridiculing type of laugh. (And that day was the start of 
my disenchantment with MSFT.)

It's now 2007 and MSFT spent over ONE MILLION DOLLARS (in Dr. Evil's 
heinous laugh) developing the successor to WinXP, Vista. And one of 
their big wins was this brand new file system, no, wait, they couldn't 
actually get that to work. One of their big wins was, oh, forget it, 
that one isn't done either.

One of their big wins is a new "Windows Defender" that detects 
suspicious programs and does all sorts of other security-type tasks to 
enhance Your User Experience.

So this guy logs in as ADMINISTRATOR, and Vista tells him that it's 
blocking certain startup programs. Click here to find out more.

So he clicks here (took three tries to determine WHERE to click), and 
there is NOTHING on the screen that indicates which of startup programs 
are being blocked.

Oh, did I mention that he's ADMINISTRATOR of the box?

Evidently MSFT still doesn't give a shit. The full story and a hilarious 
video here:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=692&tag=nl.e539

Whil


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Re: [NF] Up to their old tricks

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On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:

> Evidently MSFT still doesn't give a shit. The full story and a  
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RE: [NF] Help Translate Dabo!

[Peter Hart]

Hi Ed

My Wife has offered to translate into Russian ( She has already done
some work for a Russian guy in Canada and understands VFP to a point )
A question has arisen? Do you want her to enter using Russian Characters
or English?

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RE: [NF] Sticking with Office 2003 is a better choice than Office 2007

[mrgmhale]

> What am I
> supposed to do, run out and upgrade the 200+ Pc's I oversee and then
> reprocess the thousands of sheets and docs already out there?

If I still had stock in M#$, the answer is a resounding "Yes, of course.
That way you will have the latest and consistent platform and applications
offered by the best software solution company in the world."  Otherwise,
"Silly rabbit, getting hosed is for Microsofties!"  heh-heh...

Gil

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> Office 2007
>
>
> I used MSO2K7 for a few months and then bailed out and went back to 2003,
> primarily for ease of use. The ribbon is a cool idea but not having the
> option to use the old menus really blows. I also really dislike how they
> changed the default formatting for spreadsheets and documents. I've been
> playing around with the SharePoint Server and most of the really cool
> functions depend on the use of the newer formats... So
> irritating. What am I
> supposed to do, run out and upgrade the 200+ Pc's I oversee and then
> reprocess the thousands of sheets and docs already out there?
> It's just dumb
> to not include tools for earlier versions of Office, and if anything it
> makes me want to deploy Open Office that much more.
>
>
> David Smith
> Systems Administrator
> Doan Family of Dealerships
> (585) 352-6600 ext.1730
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> 2007
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> On 7/31/07, Rodney Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > After upgrading my work version of Office from 2003 to 2007 I would
> > have to agree.  The ribbon concept actually isn't that bad ONCE YOU
> > GET USED TO IT.  That is my biggest gripe right there.
>
> I've been using Office 2007 for about 5 months and I have to say I really
> hate the ribbon interface with a passion.  By biggest gripe is
> that you need
> to use the mouse to do everything!
>
> You can't turn them off and they eat up tons of screen real estate.
>
> Office 2007 breaks just about GUI style guideline ever written, including
> Microsoft's own.  I would go back to 2003 but I've got customers
> to support
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>
> --
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[NF] Green electric hardware

[Pete Theisen]

Hi Everybody!

I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high 
efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house. 
Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that 
this is somewhat new ground for me.

The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator, 
TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external 
solar panels.

Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff?
-- 
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Re: [OT] The Sky is Falling! - Consumer Confidence hits 6-year High

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 10:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  let the family know where and have the perp dropped
> off at some desterted street with no police around to annoy the family of
> the victim.
>
> This would be a closer appoximation of justice than putting the guy in an
> air conditioned prison with cable TV.  This prospect may instill a little
> more fear in the tough guys who pick on pregnant women,

Hi Larry!

It looked to me that the "guys" in this case were both girls. Rather "butch" 
ones, to be sure, but girls none the less.
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Re: [NF] Help Translate Dabo!

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On Aug 1, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Peter Hart wrote:

> My Wife has offered to translate into Russian ( She has already done
> some work for a Russian guy in Canada and understands VFP to a point )
> A question has arisen? Do you want her to enter using Russian  
> Characters
> or English?

Cyrillic text should be no problem. The idea is to do what would  
look right to a Russian seeing these strings.

-- Ed Leafe
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[OT] The Sky is Falling! - Consumer Confidence hits 6-year High

[richmondeagle]

Have a look at this link beside it. The sky IS falling, God's wrath upon 
us . . .

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=3784

=

You have a point, Pete, but this is not universal.  There always will be people 
who do things like this.  I guess the only answer to this problem when the guys 
get caught is catch and release... not the way the courts like to do it... but 
let the family know where and have the perp dropped off at some desterted 
street with no police around to annoy the family of the victim.

This would be a closer appoximation of justice than putting the guy in an air 
conditioned prison with cable TV.  This prospect may instill a little more fear 
in the tough guys who pick on pregnant women, and it would save the tax payers 
a whole lot of money.

Larry Miller

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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Jack Skelley]

Pete:
Check the archives to http://www.motherearthnews.com/
They always have some solar panel projects/equipment.
Regards,

Jack Skelley


Pete Theisen wrote:

> Hi Everybody!
> 
> I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high 
> efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house. 
> Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that 
> this is somewhat new ground for me.
> 
> The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator, 
> TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external 
> solar panels.
> 
> Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff?


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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Mike yearwood]

Hi Pete

http://www.off-grid.net/2006/11/21/les-stroud-interview/

> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:55:00 -0500
> From: Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [NF] Green electric hardware
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Hi Everybody!
>
> I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high
> efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house.
> Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that
> this is somewhat new ground for me.
>
> The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator,
> TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external
> solar panels.
>
> Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff?
> --
> Regards,
>
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/


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Re: [NF] Up to their old tricks

[Mike yearwood]

Hi Whil

> So this guy logs in as ADMINISTRATOR, and Vista tells him that it's
> blocking certain startup programs. Click here to find out more.
>
> So he clicks here (took three tries to determine WHERE to click), and
> there is NOTHING on the screen that indicates which of startup programs
> are being blocked.
>
> Oh, did I mention that he's ADMINISTRATOR of the box?
>
> Evidently MSFT still doesn't give a shit. The full story and a hilarious
> video here:
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=692&tag=nl.e539
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKM1cAtAdtQ

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[NF] Green electric hardware

[richmondeagle]

I'm sure there are many others, but check this link:

http://www.qualifiedremodeler.com/

They and their magazine have many articles on green design and equipment for 
the home.  You might find something there.

How do I know this?  A little more than a year ago when my last major contract 
was up, I decided "I don't want to do this any more!"   I'm now a licensed 
(building) contractor dealing directly with customers, rather than overworked 
PMs with all kinds of responsibility and little authority to make things 
happen.  

I still do some geek work, but buying and selling houses is more fun.

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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

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First, Google for wattage output (and maybe purchase price) per square
metre for solar panels and work out how much output the client has room/
money for. This will give you some indication of viability - heating and
cooling place *big* loads - you can use direct solar heating as well as
solar electric and reduce loading requirements by using extremely good
insulation, but I don't think its gonna be easy or cheap (if actually
possible - aren't you in NY?)

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Re: [NF] Sticking with Office 2003 is a better choice than Office 2007

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On 8/1/07, Tracy Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can minimize them to get some screen real estate back. Then they act
> like a graphical menu instead of being in your face ugly all the time.
>
> Right click on the Office icon in the upper left.

Thanks.  I'd rather have my menus back though.  I see there somone
selling an Office addon that brings back the old menus...

> I've not been able to get Word to save the save as older version since most
> of the other users here at the office are still on Office 2003, that's a bit
> annoying. Luckily I don't create to many Word documents.

We noticed that with automation if you tell Word to SaveAs("xyz.doc")
it saves in the new format (buggering up our Office reporting feature
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:04, Jack Skelley wrote:
> Pete:
> Check the archives to http://www.motherearthnews.com/
> They always have some solar panel projects/equipment.
> Regards,

Hi Jack!

Interesting, thanks.
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:10, Mike yearwood wrote:
> Hi Pete
>
> http://www.off-grid.net/2006/11/21/les-stroud-interview/

Hi Mike!

Wow, yeah. At least we don't have snow. Hurricanes, tornadoes, bugs, snakes 
and alligators, but not snow. Thanks for this.
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:19, Andy Davies wrote:
> First, Google for wattage output (and maybe purchase price) per square
> metre for solar panels and work out how much output the client has room/
> money for. This will give you some indication of viability - heating and
> cooling place *big* loads - you can use direct solar heating as well as
> solar electric and reduce loading requirements by using extremely good
> insulation, but I don't think its gonna be easy or cheap (if actually
> possible - aren't you in NY?)

Hi Andy!

Good idea. The boss, a contractor, has some output figures on panels/area. He 
wants me to find economical ways to use the power he can have. I bet I could 
save a lot of solar panel output using LP for heating, cooking and 
refrigeration, saving the electric for things only electric can do.

We are in Florida. Once the list is completed the customers will pay for all 
the stuff. Oh, the boss might make a small demo unit.
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> http://www.qualifiedremodeler.com/

> How do I know this?  A little more than a year ago when my last major
> contract was up, I decided "I don't want to do this any more!"   I'm now a
> licensed (building) contractor dealing directly with customers, rather than
> overworked PMs with all kinds of responsibility and little authority to
> make things happen.
>
> I still do some geek work, but buying and selling houses is more fun.

Hi Larry!

Thanks for the link, I like the tract house treatment.

I am trying to avoid the buying by selling the project first, then scrambling 
around to get the stuff delivered and installed at the last minute, paying 
for it all with the customer's money. Hence the pre-compiled vendor list.
-- 
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Michael Madigan]

Are you going to be off-the-grid?

Most people have the solar panels feed directly into
the utility company and get credits for the power they
generate.

Otherwise, you need to buy storage batteries and run
12-volt or 24-volt appliances.

Here's an super-efficient refrigerator.

http://www.conservrefrigerators.com/conserv.html

Of course energy star appliances should be used, as
well as LCD televisions, florescent lighting, ceiling
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> 
> > How do I know this?  A little more than a year ago
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> this any more!"   I'm now a
> > licensed (building) contractor dealing directly
> with customers, rather than
> > overworked PMs with all kinds of responsibility
> and little authority to
> > make things happen.
> >
> > I still do some geek work, but buying and selling
> houses is more fun.
> 
> Hi Larry!
> 
> Thanks for the link, I like the tract house
> treatment.
> 
> I am trying to avoid the buying by selling the
> project first, then scrambling 
> around to get the stuff delivered and installed at
> the last minute, paying 
> for it all with the customer's money. Hence the
> pre-compiled vendor list.
> -- 
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> 
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/
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Re: [NF] Up to their old tricks

[Chet Gardiner]

I'd like to know the name of that "VFP manager"...

Just knowing the name of the "file not found" would have saved me an 
entire CHET YEAR OR TWO over the last 17 years!!!

I'd like to show my appreciation.NOT   :-(



Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
> Many years ago (hint, the year didn't have a '2' in it), one of the 
> management team for VFP asked a bunch of us 'gurus' for suggestions for 
> the next version of VFP.
>
> I suggested that better error messages would make our lives as 
> developers easier. Instead of "file not found", something like "file 
>  not found". You know, simple things like that.
>
> The speaker laughed at me, in front of 75 or so other people. Not a "oh 
> boy, you got us there!" kind of laugh, but a "you are one stupid 
> motherfocker" ridiculing type of laugh. (And that day was the start of 
> my disenchantment with MSFT.)
>
> It's now 2007 and MSFT spent over ONE MILLION DOLLARS (in Dr. Evil's 
> heinous laugh) developing the successor to WinXP, Vista. And one of 
> their big wins was this brand new file system, no, wait, they couldn't 
> actually get that to work. One of their big wins was, oh, forget it, 
> that one isn't done either.
>
> One of their big wins is a new "Windows Defender" that detects 
> suspicious programs and does all sorts of other security-type tasks to 
> enhance Your User Experience.
>
> So this guy logs in as ADMINISTRATOR, and Vista tells him that it's 
> blocking certain startup programs. Click here to find out more.
>
> So he clicks here (took three tries to determine WHERE to click), and 
> there is NOTHING on the screen that indicates which of startup programs 
> are being blocked.
>
> Oh, did I mention that he's ADMINISTRATOR of the box?
>
> Evidently MSFT still doesn't give a shit. The full story and a hilarious 
> video here:
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=692&tag=nl.e539
>
> Whil
>
>
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Chet Gardiner]

Real Goods

http://www.gaiam.com/realgoods/

They'll get you ANYTHING you need.

First thing, estimate the usage.  There may be a chart on the Real Goods 
site.  If not, I can fax or email you a copy...

Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE energy hog.  Another 
expensive item is a regular refrigerator.  DC and propane fridges are 
available but are quite expensive.

The rest isn't bad.

Can they do a grid inter-tie?  If they can, they can save boucoup 
bucks.  If they're completely off-grid they'll have to spring for 
batteries and they're quite expensive and high maintenance.

We're lucky here in Tucson.  The local MUNICIPAL (NOT private for-profit 
leach) power company will PAY us good bucks to go solar Inter-Tie.  
About half of the system cost will be covered by our Electric Company...

Have fun.  Good Luck!



Pete Theisen wrote:
> Hi Everybody!
>
> I have been hired to compile a procurement list of low power requirement high 
> efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel powered survival house. 
> Those of you who have been reading my posts over the years will realize that 
> this is somewhat new ground for me.
>
> The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking equipment, refrigerator, 
> TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer - all powered off of external 
> solar panels.
>
> Anyone know one a few good places to get this stuff?
>   


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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Chet Gardiner]

FL is good.  Lots of sun.

Check with your local power company.  The Federal and State rebates are 
laughable (not surprisingly - the govt is owned and occupied by big oil) 
but the local power company may have a rebate for an inter-tie system if 
you're on the grid...



Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:19, Andy Davies wrote:
>   
>> First, Google for wattage output (and maybe purchase price) per square
>> metre for solar panels and work out how much output the client has room/
>> money for. This will give you some indication of viability - heating and
>> cooling place *big* loads - you can use direct solar heating as well as
>> solar electric and reduce loading requirements by using extremely good
>> insulation, but I don't think its gonna be easy or cheap (if actually
>> possible - aren't you in NY?)
>> 
>
> Hi Andy!
>
> Good idea. The boss, a contractor, has some output figures on panels/area. He 
> wants me to find economical ways to use the power he can have. I bet I could 
> save a lot of solar panel output using LP for heating, cooking and 
> refrigeration, saving the electric for things only electric can do.
>
> We are in Florida. Once the list is completed the customers will pay for all 
> the stuff. Oh, the boss might make a small demo unit.
>   
>> Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP
>>   - AndyD8-)#
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>


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RE: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Mike Wohlrab]

It was mentioned here about CFL light bulbs and their energy savings, but I just
thought I would mention that you can use them in the house for what little
lighting would need to be done. Such as in the kitchen for cooking over the
stove or counter. You could also use geothermal heating/ cooling in the home
which will take the heat out of the home down into the ground where it is
cooler/ more stable temperature and cool off the air and send it back into the
house to cool the home. Here is a link to geothermal heating/ cooling:
http://www.reddawn.com/featart11-98.html

http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumer/your_home/space_heating_cooling/index.cfm/my
topic=12640



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On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:19, Andy Davies wrote:
> First, Google for wattage output (and maybe purchase price) per square
> metre for solar panels and work out how much output the client has room/
> money for. This will give you some indication of viability - heating and
> cooling place *big* loads - you can use direct solar heating as well as
> solar electric and reduce loading requirements by using extremely good
> insulation, but I don't think its gonna be easy or cheap (if actually
> possible - aren't you in NY?)

Hi Andy!

Good idea. The boss, a contractor, has some output figures on panels/area. He 
wants me to find economical ways to use the power he can have. I bet I could 
save a lot of solar panel output using LP for heating, cooking and 
refrigeration, saving the electric for things only electric can do.

We are in Florida. Once the list is completed the customers will pay for all 
the stuff. Oh, the boss might make a small demo unit.
>
> Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP
>   - AndyD    8-)#
>
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Michael Madigan]

When did you move to Tuscon?


--- Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Real Goods
> 
> http://www.gaiam.com/realgoods/
> 
> They'll get you ANYTHING you need.
> 
> First thing, estimate the usage.  There may be a
> chart on the Real Goods 
> site.  If not, I can fax or email you a copy...
> 
> Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE
> energy hog.  Another 
> expensive item is a regular refrigerator.  DC and
> propane fridges are 
> available but are quite expensive.
> 
> The rest isn't bad.
> 
> Can they do a grid inter-tie?  If they can, they can
> save boucoup 
> bucks.  If they're completely off-grid they'll have
> to spring for 
> batteries and they're quite expensive and high
> maintenance.
> 
> We're lucky here in Tucson.  The local MUNICIPAL
> (NOT private for-profit 
> leach) power company will PAY us good bucks to go
> solar Inter-Tie.  
> About half of the system cost will be covered by our
> Electric Company...
> 
> Have fun.  Good Luck!
> 
> 
> 
> Pete Theisen wrote:
> > Hi Everybody!
> >
> > I have been hired to compile a procurement list of
> low power requirement high 
> > efficiency electrical equipment for a solar panel
> powered survival house. 
> > Those of you who have been reading my posts over
> the years will realize that 
> > this is somewhat new ground for me.
> >
> > The unit will need Air Conditioning, Heat, cooking
> equipment, refrigerator, 
> > TV, Stereo, lighting and, oh, yeah, a computer -
> all powered off of external 
> > solar panels.
> >
> > Anyone know one a few good places to get this
> stuff?
> >   
> 
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Chet Gardiner]

Just a reminder...

At Real Goods they have everything including packaged systems at 
different power production levels.

Another source is our Local vendor.  They might be able to sell you the 
stuff you need...they just won't install it.

http://www.solarstore.com/


As I said, We're REAL lucky to live with a Municipal Power Company.  
They're going to pay us $1 a WATT for installing our inter-tie 
system...  Add this to the miniscule $1000 from the state and $2500 from 
the feds and over half our system will be paid for... 

That's the way it SHOULD be.  Subsidies should be entirely removed from 
the dirty energy sources; coal, oil, gas and nuclear and applied to 
solar if mammalian life is to have ANY future on this earth.



Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>   
>> http://www.qualifiedremodeler.com/
>> 
>
>   
>> How do I know this?  A little more than a year ago when my last major
>> contract was up, I decided "I don't want to do this any more!"   I'm now a
>> licensed (building) contractor dealing directly with customers, rather than
>> overworked PMs with all kinds of responsibility and little authority to
>> make things happen.
>>
>> I still do some geek work, but buying and selling houses is more fun.
>> 
>
> Hi Larry!
>
> Thanks for the link, I like the tract house treatment.
>
> I am trying to avoid the buying by selling the project first, then scrambling 
> around to get the stuff delivered and installed at the last minute, paying 
> for it all with the customer's money. Hence the pre-compiled vendor list.
>   


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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Chet Gardiner]

At the beginning of the summer.  Just in time to thaw out from 41 years 
in the S.F. Bay Area ice box.

Love it Here!!!

We're in the 5th season.  We get 5 per year.

There's Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer and Monsoon.  We're in Monsoon.

Think east coast summer thunderstorms on steroids...like 2 or 3 inches 
in 1/2 hour with thunder and lightning all over the place.  Love it!!!

It's also a great place for solar...


Michael Madigan wrote:
> When did you move to Tuscon?
>
>
> --- Chet Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Real Goods
>>
>> http://www.gaiam.com/realgoods/
>>
>> They'll get you ANYTHING you need.
>>
>> First thing, estimate the usage.  There may be a
>> chart on the Real Goods 
>> site.  If not, I can fax or email you a copy...
>>
>> Ask them if they REALLY need A/C -- that's a HUGE
>> energy hog.  Another 
>> expensive item is a regular refrigerator.  DC and
>> propane fridges are 
>> available but are quite expensive.
>>
>> The rest isn't bad.
>>
>> Can they do a grid inter-tie?  If they can, they can
>> save boucoup 
>> bucks.  If they're completely off-grid they'll have
>> to spring for 
>> batteries and they're quite expensive and high
>> maintenance.
>>
>> We're lucky here in Tucson.  The local MUNICIPAL
>> (NOT private for-profit 
>> leach) power company will PAY us good bucks to go
>> solar Inter-Tie.  
>> About half of the system cost will be covered by our
>> Electric Company...
>>
>> Have fun.  Good Luck!
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>   


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Re: [NF] Robot-based inventory system for Staples

[Chet Gardiner]

And you don't have to worry about those robots creating any art or music 
or spending any money in your economy or joining together to recreate 
like those roiling masses of human mammals did.. 

You can have a society of all CEO's and euthenize those pesky lower 
orders...

Makes you think Kurt Vonnegut was a seer:

http://www.vonnegutweb.com/playerpiano/index.html

"What are people for?"



Michael Madigan wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291534,00.html
>
> This is the robot company's website
>
>
> http://www.kivasystems.com/demonstration-login.php
>
> Here's a video demo. It requires a quick
> registration.
> This is really cool
>
>
>
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:38, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Are you going to be off-the-grid?

Hi Michael!

The place is designed as a safe house to withstand a hurricane and be 
comfortable with the grid down. It will also need network, radio and TV that 
is not dependant on power. I am not at all sure that comcast, directv or 
verizon will stay on when the mains go down.

The power will be on when the house is not needed :-)

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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Michael Madigan]

Looks like you can use some sort of a hybrid system.

Sell the power back to the power company when the
batteries are fully charged, then when the power goes
out, use solar and batteries alone.



--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:38, Michael Madigan
> wrote:
> > Are you going to be off-the-grid?
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> The place is designed as a safe house to withstand a
> hurricane and be 
> comfortable with the grid down. It will also need
> network, radio and TV that 
> is not dependant on power. I am not at all sure that
> comcast, directv or 
> verizon will stay on when the mains go down.
> 
> The power will be on when the house is not needed
> :-)
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://www.pete-theisen.com/
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Re: [NF] Green electric hardware

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 12:52, Chet Gardiner wrote:
> At the beginning of the summer.  Just in time to thaw out from 41 years
> in the S.F. Bay Area ice box.
>
> Love it Here!!!
>
> We're in the 5th season.  We get 5 per year.
>
> There's Fall, Winter, Spring, Summer and Monsoon.  We're in Monsoon.
>
> Think east coast summer thunderstorms on steroids...like 2 or 3 inches
> in 1/2 hour with thunder and lightning all over the place.  Love it!!!

Hi Chet!

Did you dig a sistern?
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RE: Network problems

[Michael Madigan]

I had a similar problem with my program freezing after
the client loaded a different custom program on all
the machines.

So... is it my fault that my program is incompatible
with the other program or is it their fault for
adding a program that doesn't coexist with mine?



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> > Problem is that it ends up I
> > have to do
> > something as the program does not work so it looks
> like my fault.
> 
> It just does not seem fair, does it?  In order to
> prove your innocence you
> end up identifying the real problem, and get no real
> thanks for it from
> anyone who really gives a rat's ass about how much
> you busted your tail for
> somebody else's failing.  In fact, you could end up
> being resented by the
> very folks that ought to be thanking you for the
> help.  I know that path far
> too well.
> 
> I have been known to take a position with various
> "ignorant" vendors on
> different matters of paying me for my time to
> diagnose a problem I was
> blamed for if it turned out to be the blaming
> vendor's problem.  I have
> never been taken up on it (Uh, I can't authorize
> that kind of money...".
> But since these issues were usually impacting
> recurring license fee based
> clients I would take on the project anyway (out of
> the goodness of my cold,
> hard heart ), prove my point, embarrass the
> vendor(s) involved in the
> cause of the problem, and look like a hero in the
> eyes of my client (who ya'
> gonna trust!?!).  These issues have involved poor
> performance on a network
> (software vendor was caching all Firebird tables
> from a Server to each local
> machine upon app load, therefore the problem was
> with the client's
> network!), to VFP app running poorly (some PCs were
> plugged into an Ethernet
> HUB, not switch, that was servicing an Exchange
> Server), to the inability to
> completely bridge two subnets together between
> separate locations (vendor
> forgot to add a routing statement in one of two
> routers at each end of a T1
> connection, therefore my fault.  Once I discovered
> the problem they claimed
> I must have changed the setting.  Assholes, I did
> not have the Router
> passwords until AFTER I agreed to track the problem
> down), intermittent
> failure to reach online Internet remote support app
> (one of two DNS Servers
> used by the vendor had an invalid target IP Address,
> took me 3 full days to
> track that one down.  No "thank you" from this
> international vendor, of
> course, although it fixed a national problem that
> plagued them for a few
> prior years), -C caused Linux system port
> shutdown whereas previous
> UNIX platform had no such problem (I was pooh-poohed
> re: the -C
> observation, then later told "we never supported
> -C to kill
> processes".  Who the hell had been teaching that to
> their End Users for over
> 20 years then?), etc., etc., etc
> 
> As you can guess, I have plenty more stories to
> share with my past 23 years
> of experience in this industry, and some of them
> were from my earliest years
> when I was a true Green Horn.  All seem to have a
> similar pattern.
> Something goes wrong, the vendor points to what they
> think is the weakest
> target (me, I guess because I work out my home
> office instead of some glitzy
> palace), I end up proving irrefutably their
> culpability (not so much my
> innocence), let them try to explain it away to the
> client they had told "Gil
> Hale is at fault on this...", and then let them try
> to go forward after
> losing their credibility.  Funny things is there
> have been times these same
> vendors come back with later issues and tried to lay
> things off on others
> (to include me), only to once again have their pants
> pulled down in public,
> and humiliated for their ignorance and obvious focus
> on not stepping up to
> their responsibilities.
> 
> Then again, who is the greater fool, I wonder?  I
> guess one could argue it
> is me, as I end up correcting problems for others
> where I have no direct or
> indirect responsibility.  But, with a recurring
> license fee based business
> there are times I just feel compelled to "earn my
> keep" over and beyond the
> call of duty.  I end up with a very loyal client
> base.  But, on the other
> hand, several unappreciative and undeserving vendors
> end up benefiting from
> my focus on making certain my clients get what they
> are paying for.  I guess
> when I end up drawing my last breath I will be able
> to look back and know I
> tried to do the right things for the rights reasons,
> and hope my reward is
> to not get too hot a place in hell (for the record,
> I am more of a "return
> to carbon cycle" kind of person as opposed to a
> "heaven and hell" person)
> .
> 
> Gil
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Allen
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:12 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Network problems
> >
> >
> > Thanks to all the replies o

Re: [NF] I want it all on my laptop

[MB Software Solutions]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>
>   
Too rich for my blood.


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Re: [NF] M$ wins out over RH Linux in China (TechRepublic article)

[MB Software Solutions]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> Hi Man-wai!
>
> Yes, just like all the good comrades in China were - then. I understand that 
> China is moving away from communism now?
>   

Yes, Man-wai, please tell us the Chinese perspective on thisit sure 
seems like they're moving away from Communism from my pov, too.

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Re: [NF] Up to their old tricks

[MB Software Solutions]

Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
> It's now 2007 and MSFT spent over ONE MILLION DOLLARS 

I'll bet it's a much bigger number than that...perhaps with a "B" 
instead of an "M" 

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Re: [NF] Up to their old tricks

[MB Software Solutions]

Chet Gardiner wrote:
> I'd like to know the name of that "VFP manager"...
>   

I'll bet his initials are "RG."   

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RE: Network problems

[mrgmhale]

It is Microsoft's fault for having an O/S that does not properly keep
processes running in their own threads!  heh-heh.

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:58 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Network problems
>
>
> I had a similar problem with my program freezing after
> the client loaded a different custom program on all
> the machines.
>
> So... is it my fault that my program is incompatible
> with the other program or is it their fault for
> adding a program that doesn't coexist with mine?
>
>
>
> --- mrgmhale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Problem is that it ends up I
> > > have to do
> > > something as the program does not work so it looks
> > like my fault.
> >
> > It just does not seem fair, does it?  In order to
> > prove your innocence you
> > end up identifying the real problem, and get no real
> > thanks for it from
> > anyone who really gives a rat's ass about how much
> > you busted your tail for
> > somebody else's failing.  In fact, you could end up
> > being resented by the
> > very folks that ought to be thanking you for the
> > help.  I know that path far
> > too well.
> >
> > I have been known to take a position with various
> > "ignorant" vendors on
> > different matters of paying me for my time to
> > diagnose a problem I was
> > blamed for if it turned out to be the blaming
> > vendor's problem.  I have
> > never been taken up on it (Uh, I can't authorize
> > that kind of money...".
> > But since these issues were usually impacting
> > recurring license fee based
> > clients I would take on the project anyway (out of
> > the goodness of my cold,
> > hard heart ), prove my point, embarrass the
> > vendor(s) involved in the
> > cause of the problem, and look like a hero in the
> > eyes of my client (who ya'
> > gonna trust!?!).  These issues have involved poor
> > performance on a network
> > (software vendor was caching all Firebird tables
> > from a Server to each local
> > machine upon app load, therefore the problem was
> > with the client's
> > network!), to VFP app running poorly (some PCs were
> > plugged into an Ethernet
> > HUB, not switch, that was servicing an Exchange
> > Server), to the inability to
> > completely bridge two subnets together between
> > separate locations (vendor
> > forgot to add a routing statement in one of two
> > routers at each end of a T1
> > connection, therefore my fault.  Once I discovered
> > the problem they claimed
> > I must have changed the setting.  Assholes, I did
> > not have the Router
> > passwords until AFTER I agreed to track the problem
> > down), intermittent
> > failure to reach online Internet remote support app
> > (one of two DNS Servers
> > used by the vendor had an invalid target IP Address,
> > took me 3 full days to
> > track that one down.  No "thank you" from this
> > international vendor, of
> > course, although it fixed a national problem that
> > plagued them for a few
> > prior years), -C caused Linux system port
> > shutdown whereas previous
> > UNIX platform had no such problem (I was pooh-poohed
> > re: the -C
> > observation, then later told "we never supported
> > -C to kill
> > processes".  Who the hell had been teaching that to
> > their End Users for over
> > 20 years then?), etc., etc., etc
> >
> > As you can guess, I have plenty more stories to
> > share with my past 23 years
> > of experience in this industry, and some of them
> > were from my earliest years
> > when I was a true Green Horn.  All seem to have a
> > similar pattern.
> > Something goes wrong, the vendor points to what they
> > think is the weakest
> > target (me, I guess because I work out my home
> > office instead of some glitzy
> > palace), I end up proving irrefutably their
> > culpability (not so much my
> > innocence), let them try to explain it away to the
> > client they had told "Gil
> > Hale is at fault on this...", and then let them try
> > to go forward after
> > losing their credibility.  Funny things is there
> > have been times these same
> > vendors come back with later issues and tried to lay
> > things off on others
> > (to include me), only to once again have their pants
> > pulled down in public,
> > and humiliated for their ignorance and obvious focus
> > on not stepping up to
> > their responsibilities.
> >
> > Then again, who is the greater fool, I wonder?  I
> > guess one could argue it
> > is me, as I end up correcting problems for others
> > where I have no direct or
> > indirect responsibility.  But, with a recurring
> > license fee based business
> > there are times I just feel compelled to "earn my
> > keep" over and beyond the
> > call of duty.  I end up with a very loyal client
> > base.  But, on the other
> > hand, several unappreciative and undeserving vendors
> > end up benefiting from
> > my focus on making certain my clients get what they
> > are paying for.  I guess
> > whe

RE: Network problems

[Michael Madigan]

That was a bad time.  The customer kept on telling me
that I needed to fix my program.  I kept on telling
him, "why is it my problem, tell your other vendor to
FIX HIS PROGRAM!




--- mrgmhale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is Microsoft's fault for having an O/S that does
> not properly keep
> processes running in their own threads!  heh-heh.
> 
> Gil
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Michael Madigan
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:58 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Network problems
> >
> >
> > I had a similar problem with my program freezing
> after
> > the client loaded a different custom program on
> all
> > the machines.
> >
> > So... is it my fault that my program is
> incompatible
> > with the other program or is it their fault
> for
> > adding a program that doesn't coexist with mine?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- mrgmhale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > Problem is that it ends up I
> > > > have to do
> > > > something as the program does not work so it
> looks
> > > like my fault.
> > >
> > > It just does not seem fair, does it?  In order
> to
> > > prove your innocence you
> > > end up identifying the real problem, and get no
> real
> > > thanks for it from
> > > anyone who really gives a rat's ass about how
> much
> > > you busted your tail for
> > > somebody else's failing.  In fact, you could end
> up
> > > being resented by the
> > > very folks that ought to be thanking you for the
> > > help.  I know that path far
> > > too well.
> > >
> > > I have been known to take a position with
> various
> > > "ignorant" vendors on
> > > different matters of paying me for my time to
> > > diagnose a problem I was
> > > blamed for if it turned out to be the blaming
> > > vendor's problem.  I have
> > > never been taken up on it (Uh, I can't authorize
> > > that kind of money...".
> > > But since these issues were usually impacting
> > > recurring license fee based
> > > clients I would take on the project anyway (out
> of
> > > the goodness of my cold,
> > > hard heart ), prove my point, embarrass the
> > > vendor(s) involved in the
> > > cause of the problem, and look like a hero in
> the
> > > eyes of my client (who ya'
> > > gonna trust!?!).  These issues have involved
> poor
> > > performance on a network
> > > (software vendor was caching all Firebird tables
> > > from a Server to each local
> > > machine upon app load, therefore the problem was
> > > with the client's
> > > network!), to VFP app running poorly (some PCs
> were
> > > plugged into an Ethernet
> > > HUB, not switch, that was servicing an Exchange
> > > Server), to the inability to
> > > completely bridge two subnets together between
> > > separate locations (vendor
> > > forgot to add a routing statement in one of two
> > > routers at each end of a T1
> > > connection, therefore my fault.  Once I
> discovered
> > > the problem they claimed
> > > I must have changed the setting.  Assholes, I
> did
> > > not have the Router
> > > passwords until AFTER I agreed to track the
> problem
> > > down), intermittent
> > > failure to reach online Internet remote support
> app
> > > (one of two DNS Servers
> > > used by the vendor had an invalid target IP
> Address,
> > > took me 3 full days to
> > > track that one down.  No "thank you" from this
> > > international vendor, of
> > > course, although it fixed a national problem
> that
> > > plagued them for a few
> > > prior years), -C caused Linux system port
> > > shutdown whereas previous
> > > UNIX platform had no such problem (I was
> pooh-poohed
> > > re: the -C
> > > observation, then later told "we never supported
> > > -C to kill
> > > processes".  Who the hell had been teaching that
> to
> > > their End Users for over
> > > 20 years then?), etc., etc., etc
> > >
> > > As you can guess, I have plenty more stories to
> > > share with my past 23 years
> > > of experience in this industry, and some of them
> > > were from my earliest years
> > > when I was a true Green Horn.  All seem to have
> a
> > > similar pattern.
> > > Something goes wrong, the vendor points to what
> they
> > > think is the weakest
> > > target (me, I guess because I work out my home
> > > office instead of some glitzy
> > > palace), I end up proving irrefutably their
> > > culpability (not so much my
> > > innocence), let them try to explain it away to
> the
> > > client they had told "Gil
> > > Hale is at fault on this...", and then let them
> try
> > > to go forward after
> > > losing their credibility.  Funny things is there
> > > have been times these same
> > > vendors come back with later issues and tried to
> lay
> > > things off on others
> > > (to include me), only to once again have their
> pants
> > > pulled down in public,
> > > and humiliated for their ignorance and obvious
> focus
> > > on not stepping up to
> > > their responsibilities.
> > >
> > > Then again, who is the greater fool, I wonder? 
> I
> > > 

Re: [NF] I want it all on my laptop

[Michael Madigan]

I am still amazed how big of a performance boost RAID
0 and 1 is and surprised how more laptops don't use
it.

We have a 6yo server that still is fast enough because
of its RAID array.


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RE: Network problems

[mrgmhale]

I can hear it now, "But the other vendor's software was fine until you
started using that outdated, dead Fox thing!"  heh-heh

Gil

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:58 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Network problems
>
>
> That was a bad time.  The customer kept on telling me
> that I needed to fix my program.  I kept on telling
> him, "why is it my problem, tell your other vendor to
> FIX HIS PROGRAM!
>
>
>
>
> --- mrgmhale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It is Microsoft's fault for having an O/S that does
> > not properly keep
> > processes running in their own threads!  heh-heh.
> >
> > Gil
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > Michael Madigan
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:58 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: Network problems
> > >
> > >
> > > I had a similar problem with my program freezing
> > after
> > > the client loaded a different custom program on
> > all
> > > the machines.
> > >
> > > So... is it my fault that my program is
> > incompatible
> > > with the other program or is it their fault
> > for
> > > adding a program that doesn't coexist with mine?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- mrgmhale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Problem is that it ends up I
> > > > > have to do
> > > > > something as the program does not work so it
> > looks
> > > > like my fault.
> > > >
> > > > It just does not seem fair, does it?  In order
> > to
> > > > prove your innocence you
> > > > end up identifying the real problem, and get no
> > real
> > > > thanks for it from
> > > > anyone who really gives a rat's ass about how
> > much
> > > > you busted your tail for
> > > > somebody else's failing.  In fact, you could end
> > up
> > > > being resented by the
> > > > very folks that ought to be thanking you for the
> > > > help.  I know that path far
> > > > too well.
> > > >
> > > > I have been known to take a position with
> > various
> > > > "ignorant" vendors on
> > > > different matters of paying me for my time to
> > > > diagnose a problem I was
> > > > blamed for if it turned out to be the blaming
> > > > vendor's problem.  I have
> > > > never been taken up on it (Uh, I can't authorize
> > > > that kind of money...".
> > > > But since these issues were usually impacting
> > > > recurring license fee based
> > > > clients I would take on the project anyway (out
> > of
> > > > the goodness of my cold,
> > > > hard heart ), prove my point, embarrass the
> > > > vendor(s) involved in the
> > > > cause of the problem, and look like a hero in
> > the
> > > > eyes of my client (who ya'
> > > > gonna trust!?!).  These issues have involved
> > poor
> > > > performance on a network
> > > > (software vendor was caching all Firebird tables
> > > > from a Server to each local
> > > > machine upon app load, therefore the problem was
> > > > with the client's
> > > > network!), to VFP app running poorly (some PCs
> > were
> > > > plugged into an Ethernet
> > > > HUB, not switch, that was servicing an Exchange
> > > > Server), to the inability to
> > > > completely bridge two subnets together between
> > > > separate locations (vendor
> > > > forgot to add a routing statement in one of two
> > > > routers at each end of a T1
> > > > connection, therefore my fault.  Once I
> > discovered
> > > > the problem they claimed
> > > > I must have changed the setting.  Assholes, I
> > did
> > > > not have the Router
> > > > passwords until AFTER I agreed to track the
> > problem
> > > > down), intermittent
> > > > failure to reach online Internet remote support
> > app
> > > > (one of two DNS Servers
> > > > used by the vendor had an invalid target IP
> > Address,
> > > > took me 3 full days to
> > > > track that one down.  No "thank you" from this
> > > > international vendor, of
> > > > course, although it fixed a national problem
> > that
> > > > plagued them for a few
> > > > prior years), -C caused Linux system port
> > > > shutdown whereas previous
> > > > UNIX platform had no such problem (I was
> > pooh-poohed
> > > > re: the -C
> > > > observation, then later told "we never supported
> > > > -C to kill
> > > > processes".  Who the hell had been teaching that
> > to
> > > > their End Users for over
> > > > 20 years then?), etc., etc., etc
> > > >
> > > > As you can guess, I have plenty more stories to
> > > > share with my past 23 years
> > > > of experience in this industry, and some of them
> > > > were from my earliest years
> > > > when I was a true Green Horn.  All seem to have
> > a
> > > > similar pattern.
> > > > Something goes wrong, the vendor points to what
> > they
> > > > think is the weakest
> > > > target (me, I guess because I work out my home
> > > > office instead of some glitzy
> > > > palace), I end up proving irrefutably their
> > > > culpability (not so much my
> > > >

Re: [NF] I want it all on my laptop

[Michael Madigan]

I wish I had the money.  I do all my development on a
laptop with no RAID protection.  It never occurred to
me when I bought this one, and would surely speed up
hard disk performance substantially.



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>

> >
> >   
> Too rich for my blood.
> 
> 
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RE: [NF] I want it all on my laptop

[mrgmhale]

RAID only provides "reliability" against data loss due to a single HDD
failure, and at times boosts performance.  It is not meant to be a
substitute for good file backup and disk imaging processes.  If it were me,
I would invest forst in good file backup and imaging technologies, then
start to look at RAID solutions where reliability is important.

Gil

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> I wish I had the money.  I do all my development on a
> laptop with no RAID protection.  It never occurred to
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RE: [OT] And the saga continues ...

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Madigan,

> Why not see if you can get a private investor to fund
> the difference?

We've been working on that, but it isn't looking good so far. Our project is
in the low seven figures and that's not the kind of investment everybody
wants to take on. Some are insisting that they will rewrite the entire loan
at 14% interest and 10 points, which is insane at this price point.

We will probably wind up liquidating every personal asset we have and still
move in to an unfinished house. That's looking like the likely outcome.

What would be perfect would be if someone would come in with about $50K up
front and then fund a parcel split where they can get their investment back
in the form of 5 acres of land. The property out here is worth about $100K
per acre, but you have to have it split to get that.

We did not know that we were taking this big a risk when we started the
house.

Kristyne McDaniel




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RE: [OT] And the saga continues ...

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Pete,

> How are you at working wood? It isn't that hard, actually. I 
> know a lot of women who work wood. Do it yourself and save
> some money? 

The carpenters actually charge less than my bill rate, so it doesn't save
money to do the carpentry. I'm actually semi-ok as a woodworker. The problem
is not having enough hours in the day.

But we are going to do just what we have to so that we can get an occupancy
permit. Then we'll finish the remainder after the fact.

I also have two brothers that do interior finish work for a living. They'll
help me, but not for free. Everybody needs to feed their families.

Kristyne McDaniel




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Re: [OT] And the saga continues ...

[Pete Theisen]

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 23:32, Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> What would be perfect would be if someone would come in with about $50K up
> front and then fund a parcel split where they can get their investment back
> in the form of 5 acres of land. The property out here is worth about $100K
> per acre, but you have to have it split to get that.

Hi Kristyne!

That sounds like a sweet deal for someone who wanted an investment, or who 
wanted to be neighbors to you and Steve. You ought to spread the word on it.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
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