date:20121113

I just had an email off Kurt regarding the classes and rather than just reply
to him thought I would copy the group with my response:

Dave

* Email from Kurt:
*
Hey Dave!

On 11/13/2012 6:58 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:
To All,
I was just playing around with VFP last night after having developed my first
metro app in Visual Studio last week and wondered how a Metro style
interface could be developed in VFP. A small video of the results of my
deliberations is at:
http://www.replacement-software.co.uk/VFP_Metro/...

What U R working on here does sound interesting. I will definitely have to
check out that video shortly...

...When I have a set of classes in workable form then I intend to post the
source on Codeplex with full source.
The fox can still run with the best...

Can it? It seems not according to some of the folks on the ProFox list -
who think that NOBODY should even CONSIDER doing New Apps Development
for a New client in VFP!

I'm surprised that Ed would even say that - considering his ProFox list
is based around FoxPro!

And - I have even been considering Real Basic as a new option to develop
in - since its so closely related to VFP.

L8r,
-K-

*
* Response
*
Kurt,
I must admit that getting back to VFP after aboout 4 months solid C# Visual
Studio development was a real eye opener in terms of the speed you can do
things in VFP. OK, I'm an old (very, very...) lag at VFP now but it is just
refreshing being able to do things quickly and easily with a fully understood
set of commands without spending most of your time finding out what
methods/properties a particular component or framework has.

The thing that prompted me was the purchase of the Telrik set of components for
designing Metro Apps in C# and I thought what a good idea, why not the same
thing in VFP.. and the rest is a concentrated 4 hour blast at programming up
the components you can see in the video.

By objective was to generate all the components to easily drag/drop without
having to resort to programming each component, hence the drag Drop Component
you see in the video which is a class you just add to the Metro Workspace
and/or Metro Group. It handles all the drag/drop of components within its own
container without any programming whatsoever and this is what took most of the
time up.

Please take a look and let me know your thoughts.

Dave
PS. As for RealBasic, it is great for cross platform work and Ed's comments
about new work are spot on the button if you are NOT a VFP seasoned developer.
However, as most on this list are, then it doesn't really apply.

Re: VFP Metro Interface

Cool.
You intend to call your forms from the click, but if u got MDI forms the layout 
is going to get messy.
That's why I prefer the menu up on top.

E.



 From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk
To: ProFox Email List pro...@mail.leafe.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:58 AM
Subject: VFP Metro Interface
 
To All,
I was just playing around with VFP last night after having developed my first 
metro app in Visual Studio last week and wondered  how a Metro style interface 
could be developed in VFP. A small video of the results of my deliberations is 
at:

http://www.replacement-software.co.uk/VFP_Metro/

I haven't had time to add callouts and commentry etc just yet as the whole 
project took up my time (about 4 hours) but I will do once the classes are in 
a stable state at which time I hope to have a set of classes made that will 
allow Metro buttons and info to be easily put into any VFP App simply by 
dragging and dropping a Metro surface onto a form and polpulating it with 
Geoups and Items ...(you can see this in the video).

The result so far are:
1. A scrollable Metro desktop so that you can hold more buttons than can ve 
viewed on the desktop
2. Metro style buttons that can have the caption in either the centre or the 
four corners of the button as well as a relocatable picture on the button.
3. Metro Groups. Consisting of selections of metro buttons that can be dragged 
and dropped within the allocated group and re-ordered into a pre-defined 
column/row Metro sequence.
4. The ability to drag/drop the Metro Groups around on the desktop
5. The  ability to drag/drop Metro buttons around within their parent group in 
real time ... and then re-order the group

The  next step is to give the Metro interface a skinnable colour property 
that will be changeable in real time ... this is done but I haven't had time 
to incorporate it as of yet.

If anyone shows any interest in the video or the development then post on here 
with regards to possible enhancements etc. and comments will be gratefully 
accepted, good or bad.

When I have a set of classes in workable form then I intend to post the source 
on Codeplex with full source.

The fox can still run with the best...

Have fun,
Dave


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RE: VFP Metro Interface

Eurico,
The design mode I have in mind is to have the Metro desktop as free floating 
top form and using it to call other forms, which could be MDI in themselves. 
The thing about Metro is that it is only a launcher for the majority of apps 
anyway, but it looks sexy (if you are saddo geeks like us!) and will certainly 
become what end users expect, despite what we all say about M$.

You could also get it to launch other VFP Apps from a stand alone Metro 
Desktop, that way your current apps wouldn't need any changes at all.

I have lots of ideas in the pipeline, if only to refresh some VFP apps here 
that I definitely DO NOT want to rewrite in C#!!

Dave


-Original Message-
From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Eurico Chagas Filho
Sent: 13 November 2012 13:45
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: VFP Metro Interface

Cool.
You intend to call your forms from the click, but if u got MDI forms the layout 
is going to get messy.
That's why I prefer the menu up on top.

E.



 From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk
To: ProFox Email List pro...@mail.leafe.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:58 AM
Subject: VFP Metro Interface
 
To All,
I was just playing around with VFP last night after having developed my first 
metro app in Visual Studio last week and wondered  how a Metro style interface 
could be developed in VFP. A small video of the results of my deliberations is 
at:

http://www.replacement-software.co.uk/VFP_Metro/

I haven't had time to add callouts and commentry etc just yet as the whole 
project took up my time (about 4 hours) but I will do once the classes are in 
a stable state at which time I hope to have a set of classes made that will 
allow Metro buttons and info to be easily put into any VFP App simply by 
dragging and dropping a Metro surface onto a form and polpulating it with 
Geoups and Items ...(you can see this in the video).

The result so far are:
1. A scrollable Metro desktop so that you can hold more buttons than 
can ve viewed on the desktop 2. Metro style buttons that can have the caption 
in either the centre or the four corners of the button as well as a 
relocatable picture on the button.
3. Metro Groups. Consisting of selections of metro buttons that can be dragged 
and dropped within the allocated group and re-ordered into a pre-defined 
column/row Metro sequence.
4. The ability to drag/drop the Metro Groups around on the desktop 5. 
The  ability to drag/drop Metro buttons around within their parent 
group in real time ... and then re-order the group

The  next step is to give the Metro interface a skinnable colour property 
that will be changeable in real time ... this is done but I haven't had time 
to incorporate it as of yet.

If anyone shows any interest in the video or the development then post on here 
with regards to possible enhancements etc. and comments will be gratefully 
accepted, good or bad.

When I have a set of classes in workable form then I intend to post the source 
on Codeplex with full source.

The fox can still run with the best...

Have fun,
Dave


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[NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Cully


Kurt,

I hope that I haven't oversold Real Studio / RealBasic.  For Windows 
only desktop applications, I still think that VFP has the edge in 
development.


However, for being able to develop one application and compile for 
Windows, Mac, and Linux desktop applications, then it is the best tool I 
have found.  Throw in the ability to develop Web applications as if you 
are developing a desktop application (what they call Web 3.0) and that's 
a big bucket of win.  Did I mention that you can share business 
applications and modules (anything non-UI) between desktop and web 
applications?  That's really cool.


Is it perfect?  Certainly not.  There are bugs that they work through.  
It's not 64bit yet.  Web application deployment is has some complexity 
and expense.  No, you cannot host a web application on a cheap Linux 
hosting account that would be $7/month.  It can't do phone applications 
just yet (iOS or Android) although they are working on iOS development.  
Yes, the web applications can be Phone Browser aware however. 
(example: Session.OrientationChanged() fires when the connected device 
orientation changes. 0=Portrait, 90=Landscape Left, 180=Upside Down, 
-90=Landscape right.)  ... and ... it's not free or open sourced, but 
it's an established company from Austin, TX where the product has been 
around for decades now.


All I can say is that the same Fun Factor I get when developing VFP 
applications, I get the same good feelings and productivity developing 
RealBasic applications.  Your VFP Mindset works well in the 
application world of RealBasic of Windows, Methods, Events, and Properties.


-Kevin


On 11/13/2012 08:32 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:
And - I have even been considering Real Basic as a new option to 
develop in - since its so closely related to VFP.



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RE: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

Full agreement here on RealBasic, both it's pro's and also its cons.

I just treat it as another tool in the developers arsenal and at multi platform
it is certainly the best one click multi compile solution I have found.

I think all the comments regarding VFP and it's future bring into perspective
the fact that being a one horse developer doesn't really hold credence any
more now that there are so many platforms to develop on, hence diversity is
king. use the best tool for the job.

I know lots of people, myself included, have lots of times spouted how VFP can
do anything. Yes it can, but sometimes it is a pain and in those circumstances
it is only the persistence and ingenuity of the developer that make the product
do it. Far better to get the job done quickly and efficiently, regardless of
the product used and move on to the next money paying project in my opinion.

Yes, I could probably have done all the projects in my past using simply Access
and VB but ..

(a) Would I want to ... NO

(b) Would I have even finished the first one yet... maybe not

Life is to short to be stubborn and short sighted!

Dave

RE: VFP Metro Interface

2012-11-13 Thread Tracy Pearson

Dave,

Is it my computer, or was there no audio in the video?

It looks good. I'm not big on fancy UI's. What I've seen of the Windows 8
Home page. What you've produced fits right in line.

Tracy Pearson
PowerChurch Software


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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is 
developing.
Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged.
I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us.

Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough.

E.




 From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
 
Full agreement here on RealBasic, both it's pro's and also its cons.

I just treat it as another tool in the developers arsenal and at multi 
platform it is certainly the best one click multi compile solution I have 
found.

I think all the comments regarding VFP and it's future bring into perspective 
the fact that being a one horse developer doesn't really hold credence any 
more now that there are so many platforms to develop on, hence diversity is 
king. use the best tool for the job.

I know lots of people, myself included, have lots of times spouted how VFP 
can do anything. Yes it can, but sometimes it is a pain and in those 
circumstances it is only the persistence and ingenuity of the developer that 
make the product do it. Far better to get the job done quickly and 
efficiently, regardless of the product used and move on to the next money 
paying project in my opinion. 

Yes, I could probably have done all the projects in my past using simply 
Access and VB but ..

(a) Would I want to ... NO  

(b) Would I have even finished the first one yet... maybe not 

(c) Would I have enjoyed the experience definitely NOT!

Life is to short to be stubborn and short sighted!

Dave


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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)


Hey Kevin,


On 11/13/2012 9:29 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:

Kurt,
I hope that I haven't oversold Real Studio / RealBasic.  For Windows 
only desktop applications, I still think that VFP has the edge in 
development.


Overselling sounds fine by me - nothing wrong with being a RealBasic 
Evangelist!



However, for being able to develop one application and compile for 
Windows, Mac, and Linux desktop applications, then it is the best tool 
I have found.  Throw in the ability to develop Web applications as if 
you are developing a desktop application (what they call Web 3.0) and 
that's a big bucket of win. 


Being that I can develop Web Apps - that sounds really enticing - since 
my buddy now claims that is what his associates are REALLY Looking for.


Did I mention that you can share business applications and modules 
(anything non-UI) between desktop and web applications?  That's really 
cool.


When you say Non-UI, what does that really mean? Only the data 
processing and manipulation routines can be shared?


What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it 
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - just 
curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...



Is it perfect?  Certainly not.  There are bugs that they work through. 


Understood.

It's not 64bit yet. 


I suspect that is something that they ARE working on - for near future 
releases?


Web application deployment is has some complexity and expense.  No, 
you cannot host a web application on a cheap Linux hosting account 
that would be $7/month.


Thanks for that heads-up.

It can't do phone applications just yet (iOS or Android) although they 
are working on iOS development.  Yes, the web applications can be 
Phone Browser aware however. (example: Session.OrientationChanged() 
fires when the connected device orientation changes. 0=Portrait, 
90=Landscape Left, 180=Upside Down, -90=Landscape right.)


So - in essence - although one can NOT Yet make a native mobile app yet 
- once Can run a Web app on a mobile device and it will be aware of it 
being run on a Mobile device - and screen layout can be made to change 
accordingly?


... and ... it's not free or open sourced, 


It was mentioned in another e-mail thread that in 2013 - there would be 
a Free version to use - or at least a version that one could try their 
hands at - while there would be a cost to a version for deployment. 
Right? I'm curious to know if there is a version now that I could play 
with - like a demo version - before laying out cash I don't have. I 
would essentially buy the dev. version if I can actually GET this 
project I am currently looking into...



...but it's an established company from Austin, TX where the product 
has been around for decades now.


That truly IS a Good thing to know.

All I can say is that the same Fun Factor I get when developing VFP 
applications, I get the same good feelings and productivity developing 
RealBasic applications.  Your VFP Mindset works well in the 
application world of RealBasic of Windows, Methods, Events, and 
Properties.


Now - THAT Truly makes it enticing for someone like me - a Long time VFP 
guy!


Thanks again Kevin for all your input!
-K-

On 11/13/2012 08:32 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:
And - I have even been considering Real Basic as a new option to 
develop in - since its so closely related to VFP.





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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

Hey Dave - thanks again for your input. I agree with your 1 horse
comment - and hope that I CAN get this New project - and CAN use this as
the perfect opportunity to get a new tool under my belt!

L8r,
-K-

On 11/13/2012 9:39 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:

Full agreement here on RealBasic, both it's pro's and also its cons.

I just treat it as another tool in the developers arsenal and at multi platform it is
certainly the best one click multi compile solution I have found.

I think all the comments regarding VFP and it's future bring into perspective the fact
that being a one horse developer doesn't really hold credence any more now
that there are so many platforms to develop on, hence diversity is king. use the best
tool for the job.

I know lots of people, myself included, have lots of times spouted how VFP can do
anything. Yes it can, but sometimes it is a pain and in those circumstances it is only the
persistence and ingenuity of the developer that make the product do it. Far better to
get the job done quickly and efficiently, regardless of the product used and move on to the next
money paying project in my opinion.

Yes, I could probably have done all the projects in my past using simply Access
and VB but ..

(a) Would I want to ... NO

(b) Would I have even finished the first one yet... maybe not

Life is to short to be stubborn and short sighted!

Dave

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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Cully


Hello Eurico,

The Real Studio pricing model is going to change with the next release.  
The IDE is going to be free from that point on.  You only need to pay if 
you want to compile the application.  In fact,  you can develop and 
application, distribute it to your customer and they can run it from the 
IDE without paying for anything (but your time).


The Real Studio license model is just like the VFP licensing model.

-Kevin


On 11/13/2012 11:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote:

I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is 
developing.
Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged.
I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us.

Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough.

E.




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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

U know - E - I TOTALLY Agree with you on that one - and its somewhat 
inline with what I wrote in my last e-mail.


I think that MS already does this - with all the Express versions of 
their Dev. tools - since, you can essentially build a whole system - 
that may have limitations under the Express version - then those 
limitations are wiped away once you get the full VS version!


-K-


On 11/13/2012 11:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote:

I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is 
developing.
Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged.
I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us.

Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough.

E.





From: Dave Crozier da...@flexipol.co.uk
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:39 PM
Subject: RE: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

Full agreement here on RealBasic, both it's pro's and also its cons.

I just treat it as another tool in the developers arsenal and at multi platform it is 
certainly the best one click multi compile solution I have found.

I think all the comments regarding VFP and it's future bring into perspective the fact 
that being a one horse developer doesn't really hold credence any more now 
that there are so many platforms to develop on, hence diversity is king. use the best 
tool for the job.

I know lots of people, myself included, have lots of times spouted how VFP can do 
anything. Yes it can, but sometimes it is a pain and in those circumstances it is only the 
persistence and ingenuity of the developer that make the product do it. Far better to 
get the job done quickly and efficiently, regardless of the product used and move on to the next 
money paying project in my opinion.

Yes, I could probably have done all the projects in my past using simply Access 
and VB but ..

(a) Would I want to ... NO

(b) Would I have even finished the first one yet... maybe not

(c) Would I have enjoyed the experience definitely NOT!

Life is to short to be stubborn and short sighted!

Dave



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Re: VFP Metro Interface

2012-11-13 Thread GaryT

Reminds me of many years ago, well, not THAT many really, we used to 
point to a certain development tool and say I could write that using 
VFP.  Trouble is, the old memory is getting so bad these days I can't 
remember what program it was. :-)  Might have been a Borland product.

So many have come and gone... and VFP just got better and better.

Dave, how can I see a real live Metro desktop?  Is it by chance the 
new Windows 8?

GT


On 14/11/12 00:57, Dave Crozier wrote:

Eurico,
The design mode I have in mind is to have the Metro desktop as free floating top form 
and using it to call other forms, which could be MDI in themselves. The thing about Metro is that 
it is only a launcher for the majority of apps anyway, but it looks sexy (if you are 
saddo geeks like us!) and will certainly become what end users expect, despite what we all say 
about M$.

You could also get it to launch other VFP Apps from a stand alone Metro 
Desktop, that way your current apps wouldn't need any changes at all.

I have lots of ideas in the pipeline, if only to refresh some VFP apps here 
that I definitely DO NOT want to rewrite in C#!!

Dave


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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-13 Thread Ed Leafe

On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho e28cha...@yahoo.com.br 
wrote:

 I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is 
 developing.
 Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged.
 I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us.
 
 Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough.

What about a completely free app? With full source code? And no license 
fees? And no license restrictions? Too good to be true, right?

;-)


-- Ed Leafe




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Re: VFP Metro Interface

2012-11-13 Thread AndyHC


Oh I say, joly well done old chap!
  seriously - well done, I was only recently reading a group of people 
bewailing the fact that VB6 would never be able to support Metro.


  AndyD

On 13/11/2012 11:58, Dave Crozier wrote:

To All,
I was just playing around with VFP last night after having developed my first 
metro app in Visual Studio last week and wondered  how a Metro style interface 
could be developed in VFP. A small video of the results of my deliberations is 
at:

http://www.replacement-software.co.uk/VFP_Metro/



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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

2012-11-13 Thread Kevin Cully



On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:


When you say Non-UI, what does that really mean? Only the data 
processing and manipulation routines can be shared?
Yes.  The UI elements are specific to the various platforms so 
interfacing with them wouldn't cross over.  However, developing for a 
desktop application and a web application are developed in a similar 
way.  For example, you could put this same code in the 'Action()' event 
of a button.  ('Action()' in Real Studio is the equivalent of 'Click()' 
in VFP) no matter whether it is on the desktop or in a web application: 
MsgBox(Why, hello there ProFox mailing list!)  Yup, this code works 
both on the desktop and on the web even though it is a pushButton on 
desktop and a webButton on a web application!  Doesn't that look like 
VFP?  Or at least our old FoxPro command.


What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it 
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - 
just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...
You have options as far as accessing data.  Natively and built in is the 
SQLite data engine which they call RealSQLDatabase.  This is a really 
good thing because guess what databases are supported on phones: 
SQLite.  Just like in the VFP world however, most people develop against 
a full SQL Server however.  I'm a big fan of PostgreSQL, but there are 
plugins for MYSql, Oracle, PostgreSQL. The rest of the databases are 
accessible by the ODBC plugin.  I believe there are other database 
specific plugins available for purchase from 3rd party companies but I 
haven't looked into it.


I suspect that is something that they ARE working on - for near future 
releases?
Yes, 64bit is in their road map.  They are changing over to the LLVM 
compiler which will make getting to 64bit much easier.  It will make 
getting to the phone platforms easier as well.


So - in essence - although one can NOT Yet make a native mobile app 
yet - once Can run a Web app on a mobile device and it will be aware 
of it being run on a Mobile device - and screen layout can be made to 
change accordingly?
Yes, you can, on the Session.OrientationChanged() event then send down a 
different page but I haven't needed it yet.  Then anchor properties on 
the webforms make the resizing very familiar to what we normally see 
when a window is resized.  Most of the time, I just lock a button to the 
lower+right, and allow the listbox to resize and I'm good.
It was mentioned in another e-mail thread that in 2013 - there would 
be a Free version to use - or at least a version that one could try 
their hands at - while there would be a cost to a version for 
deployment. Right? I'm curious to know if there is a version now that 
I could play with - like a demo version - before laying out cash I 
don't have. I would essentially buy the dev. version if I can actually 
GET this project I am currently looking into...
I believe that you can use the demo version for 30 days without paying 
right now.  If you need more time than that, just contact Real Software, 
Inc. and ask for another key that should allow for another 30 days.  
They're pretty nice about that kind of stuff.



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Re: [NF] John McAfee wanted for murder

2012-11-13 Thread Alan Bourke

When they catch him, his trial will last 30 days.

ithankyou

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Re: [NF] John McAfee wanted for murder

2012-11-13 Thread Michael Madigan

hahahahahahaha

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When they catch him, his trial will last 30 days.

ithankyou

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RE: VFP Metro Interface

Gary,
I used the term Metro as most people regard it as the new Windows 8 look and 
feel even though M$ dropped the term after the first Windows 8 Beta.
It came from the Metro Design Language and was phased out in August 2012.

M$ like to use the term  Modern UI-style apps but Metro is precise and 
everyone knows what it means.

It's a little like Prince ... the product previously known as Metro!! grin

Dave

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From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of GaryT
Sent: 13 November 2012 16:22
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: VFP Metro Interface

Reminds me of many years ago, well, not THAT many really, we used to point to a 
certain development tool and say I could write that using VFP.  Trouble is, 
the old memory is getting so bad these days I can't remember what program it 
was. :-)  Might have been a Borland product.
So many have come and gone... and VFP just got better and better.

Dave, how can I see a real live Metro desktop?  Is it by chance the new 
Windows 8?
GT


On 14/11/12 00:57, Dave Crozier wrote:
 Eurico,
 The design mode I have in mind is to have the Metro desktop as free 
 floating top form and using it to call other forms, which could be MDI in 
 themselves. The thing about Metro is that it is only a launcher for the 
 majority of apps anyway, but it looks sexy (if you are saddo geeks like us!) 
 and will certainly become what end users expect, despite what we all say 
 about M$.

 You could also get it to launch other VFP Apps from a stand alone Metro 
 Desktop, that way your current apps wouldn't need any changes at all.

 I have lots of ideas in the pipeline, if only to refresh some VFP apps here 
 that I definitely DO NOT want to rewrite in C#!!

 Dave


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 Filho
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RE: VFP Metro Interface

Tracy,
There isn't any sound. I just recorded the screen as I'll put a proper video 
together once the project is in a more complete state. I just wanted to get a 
little feedback.

Dave

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Sent: 13 November 2012 15:18
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: VFP Metro Interface

Dave,

Is it my computer, or was there no audio in the video?

It looks good. I'm not big on fancy UI's. What I've seen of the Windows 8 Home 
page. What you've produced fits right in line.

Tracy Pearson
PowerChurch Software


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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

Great Kevin.
I don't  mind distributing riches. If I sell I will compile and gladly pay for 
it.

E. 




 From: Kevin Cully kcu...@cullytechnologies.com
To: profox@leafe.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
 
Hello Eurico,

The Real Studio pricing model is going to change with the next release.  The 
IDE is going to be free from that point on.  You only need to pay if you want 
to compile the application.  In fact,  you can develop and application, 
distribute it to your customer and they can run it from the IDE without paying 
for anything (but your time).

The Real Studio license model is just like the VFP licensing model.

-Kevin


On 11/13/2012 11:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho wrote:
 I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is 
 developing.
 Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged.
 I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us.
 
 Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough.
 
 E.
 


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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

Hi Ed

Yeah, too good. I know, I got Dabo under my belt. When I got your framework for 
VFP
I changed it quite a bit before I sold the first program.
I have been studying Python for almost a year now and I am ready to tackle Dabo.

But, RealBasic is so much like what I know already...

E.




 From: Ed Leafe ed.le...@rackspace.com
To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)
 
On Nov 13, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho e28cha...@yahoo.com.br 
wrote:

 I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is 
 developing.
 Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be charged.
 I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for us.
 
 Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is not enough.

    What about a completely free app? With full source code? And no license 
fees? And no license restrictions? Too good to be true, right?

    ;-)


-- Ed Leafe




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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)

Stephen

I got this idea of a program. I want to develop it fast and there is this tool,
say, RealBasic that gives me what I want, but for a cost. So I choose
open source instead.
But if RealBasic was free for a developer, I could spend time with it and
pay when I sell.
If I already have a client then I could insert into the price the cost, like
we did with VFP. To tell u the truth in my first VFP program I used a 
pirate copy. I bought my copy afterwards.

E.




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To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:56 PM
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eurico Chagas Filho 
e28cha...@yahoo.com.br wrote:

 I would like an application that would not charge the developer when he is
 developing.
 Now if and when I sell the product of my development then I could be
 charged.
 I think that way we could try several products till we find the best for
 us.

 Some times a project takes months to be sold and 30 days trial is
 not enough.

 -

Something sounds wrong here.  You want to prototype for a customer and use
the development tools through to delivery without paying because the
customer has not paid you?

Maybe Open Source is the option for you.  There are a lot of other vendors
with free tools out there, and some of those have versions that are pay for
as well.


-- 
Stephen Russell
Sr. Analyst
Ring Container Technology
Oakland TN

901.246-0159 cell


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Re: [NF] RealBasic (was Re: VFP Metro Interface)


Hey Kevin,

Thanks again for all your extensive input - I really appreciate your 
taking the time to reply. And, yes, I think a 3-day trial is sufficient 
for my purposes!


Regards,
Kurt

On 11/13/2012 11:57 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:


On 11/13/2012 11:16 AM, Kurt @ VR-FX wrote:


When you say Non-UI, what does that really mean? Only the data 
processing and manipulation routines can be shared?
Yes.  The UI elements are specific to the various platforms so 
interfacing with them wouldn't cross over.  However, developing for a 
desktop application and a web application are developed in a similar 
way.  For example, you could put this same code in the 'Action()' 
event of a button.  ('Action()' in Real Studio is the equivalent of 
'Click()' in VFP) no matter whether it is on the desktop or in a web 
application: MsgBox(Why, hello there ProFox mailing list!)  Yup, 
this code works both on the desktop and on the web even though it is a 
pushButton on desktop and a webButton on a web application!  
Doesn't that look like VFP?  Or at least our old FoxPro command.


What about the data.  Is it DBF's and/or DBC's like VFP? OR is it 
strictly that you tie into a server data source like MySql? Again - 
just curious - and trying to figure out what's involved...
You have options as far as accessing data.  Natively and built in is 
the SQLite data engine which they call RealSQLDatabase.  This is a 
really good thing because guess what databases are supported on 
phones: SQLite.  Just like in the VFP world however, most people 
develop against a full SQL Server however.  I'm a big fan of 
PostgreSQL, but there are plugins for MYSql, Oracle, PostgreSQL. The 
rest of the databases are accessible by the ODBC plugin.  I believe 
there are other database specific plugins available for purchase from 
3rd party companies but I haven't looked into it.


I suspect that is something that they ARE working on - for near 
future releases?
Yes, 64bit is in their road map.  They are changing over to the LLVM 
compiler which will make getting to 64bit much easier.  It will make 
getting to the phone platforms easier as well.


So - in essence - although one can NOT Yet make a native mobile app 
yet - once Can run a Web app on a mobile device and it will be aware 
of it being run on a Mobile device - and screen layout can be made to 
change accordingly?
Yes, you can, on the Session.OrientationChanged() event then send down 
a different page but I haven't needed it yet.  Then anchor properties 
on the webforms make the resizing very familiar to what we normally 
see when a window is resized.  Most of the time, I just lock a button 
to the lower+right, and allow the listbox to resize and I'm good.
It was mentioned in another e-mail thread that in 2013 - there would 
be a Free version to use - or at least a version that one could try 
their hands at - while there would be a cost to a version for 
deployment. Right? I'm curious to know if there is a version now that 
I could play with - like a demo version - before laying out cash I 
don't have. I would essentially buy the dev. version if I can 
actually GET this project I am currently looking into...
I believe that you can use the demo version for 30 days without paying 
right now.  If you need more time than that, just contact Real 
Software, Inc. and ask for another key that should allow for another 
30 days.  They're pretty nice about that kind of stuff.




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Modal window opens behind Modeless

2012-11-13 Thread Tracy Pearson

I've heard of this before, searched the archives and did not find anything
an answer that fit the scenario.

VFP 9 SP 1 EXE, I'm not sure what runtimes the user is running.

No timer involved is known to be active, none are on the two forms in
question.

Modeless form calls a PRG which launches the Modal lookup form. The lookup
form is appearing behind the Modeless form and neither window is clickable,
according to the customer.

I'm unable to reproduce this in house on the several machines we have. 

Besides the possibility of a timer bringing focus back to the Modeless form.
Are there any other reasons? A SP or HotFox issue?


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Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

2012-11-13 Thread Nicholas Geti

Half the country including me voted against Obama. Plus I will continue 
talking to me friends and subscribing to those hated conservative TV 
stations and news magazines. It takes longer to make changes when half the 
country votes opposite to me.

Nicholas Geti
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From: geoff data...@adam.com.au

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Maybe it starts with people like you just refusing to accept the pathetic
standard. As it stands at the moment it appears Americans just accept long
lines and voter fraud. Perhaps you get want you deserve. the old saying 
you

deserve what you tolerate is fitting here.

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Yes. It is easy to say just do it when the very parties who are blocking
things are also in control of deciding whether to do it. Geoff doesn't see
that as a problem. Just do it. I would like to but I would need some
powerful weapons to go to Florida and tell them what I want to do. LOL.

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It's tough having an argument with Geoff since he is so misinformed on
general knowledge.

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Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:40 PM
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You should do a better job of keeping up with the news. It is Obama and
Holder who are pressing claims in court to block all voter ID requirements
in the states: Arizona, Florida, and others. Look it up in Google.
Nick Geti

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Federal intervention. Clearly they are unwilling to fix the problem.
Clearly
corruption and vote-rigging is what is behind it.

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We all agree Florida voting needs help. Let's not belabor that point. So
how
are you going to convince your Leader and crew to accept fixing Florida?
Nick Geti
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Subject: Re: [OT] Can't let conservative blacks win

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Re: Modal window opens behind Modeless

2012-11-13 Thread Frank Cazabon

I think I've heard of this before and someone fixed it by setting the 
alwaysontop property of the modal window to .T. and then to .F. in the 
modal forms init or somewhere like that.


Frank.

Frank Cazabon

On 13/11/2012 04:49 PM, Tracy Pearson wrote:

I've heard of this before, searched the archives and did not find anything
an answer that fit the scenario.

VFP 9 SP 1 EXE, I'm not sure what runtimes the user is running.

No timer involved is known to be active, none are on the two forms in
question.

Modeless form calls a PRG which launches the Modal lookup form. The lookup
form is appearing behind the Modeless form and neither window is clickable,
according to the customer.

I'm unable to reproduce this in house on the several machines we have.

Besides the possibility of a timer bringing focus back to the Modeless form.
Are there any other reasons? A SP or HotFox issue?



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RE: [ADMIN] Want to help?

2012-11-13 Thread John Weller

I was able to access Ed's original page from UK and the Australian page
without any problems.  I donated via Ed's page so didn't try and donate
using the Australian page.

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

 
 
 No luck from Australia either, Andy.
 I tried many times, first when Ed posted the original message and again on
 the weekend; timed out each time.  FireFox on Ubuntu 10.04.
 


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Re: Modal window opens behind Modeless

The always on top setting can override the modal setting and means the form
has focus but cannot be accessed. This has bitten me a couple of times so I'd
check that setting in the form appears on top

Sent from Samsung MobileTracy Pearson tr...@powerchurch.com wrote:I've heard
of this before, searched the archives and did not find anything
an answer that fit the scenario.

VFP 9 SP 1 EXE, I'm not sure what runtimes the user is running.

No timer involved is known to be active, none are on the two forms in
question.

Modeless form calls a PRG which launches the Modal lookup form. The lookup
form is appearing behind the Modeless form and neither window is clickable,
according to the customer.

I'm unable to reproduce this in house on the several machines we have.

Besides the possibility of a timer bringing focus back to the Modeless form.
Are there any other reasons? A SP or HotFox issue?

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[OT] Like I said FEMA is the problem

2012-11-13 Thread Nicholas Geti

Flood Insurance, Already Fragile, Faces New StressThe federal government's 
flood insurance program, which fell $18 billion into debt after Hurricane 
Katrina, is once again at risk of running out of money as the daunting 
reconstruction from Hurricane Sandy gets under 
wayhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/nyregion/federal-flood-insurance-program-faces-new-stress.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20121113Look
 at the pictures. People built their houses on the sandbars. They never could 
have gotten insurance from a private company but the Feds picked it up. Without 
the insurance these people would never have build there.Now we have to pick up 
the tab for billions and billions of dollars. It is insane. We have a huge 
federal debt and now this.The sandbanks are for the enjoyment of everyone to 
visit not for private development.Nicholas Geti


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Re: Modal window opens behind Modeless

2012-11-13 Thread Mike Copeland

A kludge I ended up using in a similar situation was to set the Always 
on Top = .t. when the new form is being set up programatically, then 
put thisform.alwaysontop=.f. in the mouse over event.


Waste of events? yes. Work? yes.

Mike

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Modal window opens behind Modeless
From: Dave Crozier da...@replacement-software.co.uk
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 11/13/2012 3:27 PM

The always  on top setting can override the modal setting and means the form 
has focus but cannot be accessed.  This has bitten me a couple of times so I'd check that 
setting in the form appears on top


Sent from Samsung MobileTracy Pearson tr...@powerchurch.com wrote:I've heard 
of this before, searched the archives and did not find anything
an answer that fit the scenario.

VFP 9 SP 1 EXE, I'm not sure what runtimes the user is running.

No timer involved is known to be active, none are on the two forms in
question.

Modeless form calls a PRG which launches the Modal lookup form. The lookup
form is appearing behind the Modeless form and neither window is clickable,
according to the customer.

I'm unable to reproduce this in house on the several machines we have.

Besides the possibility of a timer bringing focus back to the Modeless form.
Are there any other reasons? A SP or HotFox issue?


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