Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
On 3/17/07, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then again, I have seen the results of consultants who have basically pissed away a large amount of client capital (after getting their cut of course) chasing the Next Big Thing because it sounded cool, and M$ was so behind the Next Big Thing (Oracle too, and IBM, and even Novell at times). To be fair, FOSS does a fair amount of this, too. I think we've probably all seen this, with the buzzterm of the day whether that was Aspect-Oriented Programming or Java or Ruby on Rails or Extreme Programming. Not the fault of the technology, only it's over-hyping and application where it might not apply by inexperienced practitioners. I had a guy put a new technology roof ridge on my house a couple years ago. It was a disaster. This stuff happens in every industry. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
This stuff happens in every industry. True, hence the Gil Hale Rule Of Rules... The louder the claims, the slicker the brochure, the snappier and flashier the web site, the less likely it is a solution will actually work. I drew that observation in my first year of being in the computer industry, and it seems to hold true still - in pretty much any business as Ted states. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch On 3/17/07, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then again, I have seen the results of consultants who have basically pissed away a large amount of client capital (after getting their cut of course) chasing the Next Big Thing because it sounded cool, and M$ was so behind the Next Big Thing (Oracle too, and IBM, and even Novell at times). To be fair, FOSS does a fair amount of this, too. I think we've probably all seen this, with the buzzterm of the day whether that was Aspect-Oriented Programming or Java or Ruby on Rails or Extreme Programming. Not the fault of the technology, only it's over-hyping and application where it might not apply by inexperienced practitioners. I had a guy put a new technology roof ridge on my house a couple years ago. It was a disaster. This stuff happens in every industry. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
What happens in 2032? I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna apps, dazzling folks with my effective use of an antiquated language and database solution that will still run circles around whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M$ is stuffing down the throats of developers. And we will be leaving 64 bit technology to move into 128 bit any day now for the next 25 years. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chet Gardiner Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch What happens in 2032? Charlie Coleman wrote: At 10:35 AM 3/11/2007 -0400, mrgmhale wrote: ... I am still here despite the much feared, even more hated, Daylight Saving Time change! And all of my business PCs updated correctly (including the NT4SP6a Server with a 3rd party patch). The M$ Win2000ProSP4 patch even worked! The only machine that did not update was Lynda's (wife) personal ... Yeah what is all the fuss about? The majority of my machines rolled over just fine. Oh wait they're Linux Sorry for the interruption. Back your regularly schedule MS-patching. :-) -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
mrgmhale wrote: I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna apps, dazzling folks with my effective use of an antiquated language and database solution that will still run circles around whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M$ is stuffing down the throats of developers. And we will be leaving 64 bit technology to move into 128 bit any day now for the next 25 years. So how do you feel about .Net, Gil? lol! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 10:52 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch mrgmhale wrote: I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna apps, dazzling folks with my effective use of an antiquated language and database solution that will still run circles around whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M$ is stuffing down the throats of developers. And we will be leaving 64 bit technology to move into 128 bit any day now for the next 25 years. So how do you feel about .Net, Gil? lol! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
What Xbase Was available in 1957? -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 10:52 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch mrgmhale wrote: I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna apps, dazzling folks with my effective use of an antiquated language and database solution that will still run circles around whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M$ is stuffing down the throats of developers. And we will be leaving 64 bit technology to move into 128 bit any day now for the next 25 years. So how do you feel about .Net, Gil? lol! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
I think you missed part of the original post which was along the lines of 'What will happen in 2032' John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Baird Sent: 17 March 2007 15:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch What Xbase Was available in 1957? -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 10:52 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch mrgmhale wrote: I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna apps, dazzling folks with my effective use of an antiquated language and database solution that will still run circles around whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M$ is stuffing down the throats of developers. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
What unqualified statements? Methinks thou doth protest too much. Look at the whole thread in the archives before you make comments. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Baird Sent: 17 March 2007 15:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 10:52 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch mrgmhale wrote: I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna apps, dazzling folks with my effective use of an antiquated language and database solution that will still run circles around whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M$ is stuffing down the throats of developers. And we will be leaving 64 bit technology to move into 128 bit any day now for the next 25 years. So how do you feel about .Net, Gil? lol! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
He talks about bloated behemoths and then mentions Dot not. His bias is obvious, ergo, my point is valid. -Original Message- From: John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 11:31 Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch What unqualified statements? Methinks thou doth protest too much. Look at the whole thread in the archives before you make comments. John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Baird Sent: 17 March 2007 15:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 10:52 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
LOL. O K -Original Message- From: John Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 11:27 Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch I think you missed part of the original post which was along the lines of 'What will happen in 2032' John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Baird Sent: 17 March 2007 15:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch What Xbase Was available in 1957? -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 10:52 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch mrgmhale wrote: I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
On 3/17/07, John Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. Sorry John, nice try but i guess we're simply not gullible enough around here... A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
Gullible is not the description that I would have chosen. -Original Message- From: Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/1the7/07 12:12 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch On 3/17/07, John Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. Sorry John, nice try but i guess we're simply not gullible enough around here... A+ jml [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
John Baird wrote: Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. Well, perhaps, but then again, for what his clients need and what he can do for them with his current skillset, he might not feel the need to go back for re-training on something different, be it DotNet, Java, or whatever. And supposedly, the older you get, the harder it is to change and/or learn. ?? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
John Baird wrote: Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. Well, perhaps, but then again, for what his clients need and what he can do for them with his current skillset, he might not feel the need to go back for re-training on something different, be it DotNet, Java, or whatever. If his old classic hammer still works, why must he go out and buy and get skilled in how to operate the new SmashBaster 5000 hydraulic hammer? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:23 AM, John Baird wrote: Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. It's funny that so many of the .Net proponents here haven't used any of the alternatives. It's quite shaky to charge those who don't like .Net with being brainwashed and closed-minded when that exactly describes most of the .Net proponents. FWIW, I've looked at .Net when it was first introduced, and then again when the 2.0 version came out. If I was forced to develop in it, I wouldn't hate it, but since I'm aware of much better ways of doing the same things, I wouldn't feel it was the best use of my time. I have gone to several conferences with a lot of .Net users, though, and I always ask a) what platforms do you regularly work with and b) what other development options did you consider before .Net? Care to hazard a guess as to what the answers almost always are? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:27 AM, John Weller wrote: I think you missed part of the original post which was along the lines of 'What will happen in 2032' Nothing at all unusual. However, in 2038 there will be a problem with most POSIX systems and many C programs that use the POSIX time representation of the number of seconds since January 1, 1970. 32-bit systems will run out of the ability to represent such times on January 19, 2038. This is similar to the Y2K problem in that the original designers of such systems never imagined things lasting that far into the future. The end result is that any 32-bit systems still being used in 2038 will have to have their software modified to use a different time representation. Any system that has moved to 64-bit or above will not have any problem. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:31 AM, John Weller wrote: Look at the whole thread in the archives before you make comments. ...and list all of the alternatives you explored before accusing others of not being open. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
Ed Leafe wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:23 AM, John Baird wrote: Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. It's funny that so many of the .Net proponents here haven't used any of the alternatives. It's quite shaky to charge those who don't like .Net with being brainwashed and closed-minded when that exactly describes most of the .Net proponents. FWIW, I've looked at .Net when it was first introduced, and then again when the 2.0 version came out. If I was forced to develop in it, I wouldn't hate it, but since I'm aware of much better ways of doing the same things, I wouldn't feel it was the best use of my time. I give up Ed, what did your look entail? Did you knock out an app or three? Were they win form or web based? Honestly what did you do for an eval? I have gone to several conferences with a lot of .Net users, though, and I always ask a) what platforms do you regularly work with and b) what other development options did you consider before .Net? Care to hazard a guess as to what the answers almost always are? Is that important, or a desire? I don't really care myself. I have offered php or .NET to customers over the past 4 years and nobody wanted the PHP. They wanted the .NET. So I went in that direction. I find that the volume of components and add ons for the .NET side of things to be huge. From controls to secondary software for support of your environment/app/network. Your heart desires to not do M$ and then you piss on those of us who do. Some of us don't care past doing a good job for the customer/client. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.12/724 - Release Date: 3/16/2007 12:12 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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More obviously you missed the tongue-in-cheek humor. But that is okay, you picked up on the real underlying notation regardless. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Baird Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 10:52 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch mrgmhale wrote: I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna apps, dazzling folks with my effective use of an antiquated language and database solution that will still run circles around whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M$ is stuffing down the throats of developers. And we will be leaving 64 bit technology to move into 128 bit any day now for the next 25 years. So how do you feel about .Net, Gil? lol! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Probably so, but wars have been started with less misinformation, so we should count ourselves lucky. gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Weller Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch I think you missed part of the original post which was along the lines of 'What will happen in 2032' John Weller 01380 723235 07976 393631 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Baird Sent: 17 March 2007 15:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch What Xbase Was available in 1957? -Original Message- From: MB Software Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: profox@leafe.com Sent: 3/17/07 10:52 Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch mrgmhale wrote: I turn 78, and enter my 5th decade cutting code in xBase for my VFP9/Sedna apps, dazzling folks with my effective use of an antiquated language and database solution that will still run circles around whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M$ is stuffing down the throats of developers. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: FWIW, I've looked at .Net when it was first introduced, and then again when the 2.0 version came out. If I was forced to develop in it, I wouldn't hate it, but since I'm aware of much better ways of doing the same things, I wouldn't feel it was the best use of my time. I give up Ed, what did your look entail? Did you knock out an app or three? Were they win form or web based? Honestly what did you do for an eval? Does it matter what I answer? I'm sure that anything short of a ringing endorsement will be viewed as you didn't give it a fair chance. But yes, I created a basic winforms app similar to a Java app I had created a few years ago. I used C# because it is, shall we say, inspired by Java. While the environment is very rich, I found the syntax and program flow as clunky and inelegant as I did Java. I have gone to several conferences with a lot of .Net users, though, and I always ask a) what platforms do you regularly work with and b) what other development options did you consider before .Net? Care to hazard a guess as to what the answers almost always are? Is that important, or a desire? I don't really care myself. I wasn't replying to you; I was replying to John Baird's implication that anyone who doesn't embrace .Net has drunk from the bottle of anti-MS bigotry. My point is that the .Net crowd is overwhelmingly single-platform and single-vendor, not the other way around; if anyone is brainwashed... Your heart desires to not do M$ and then you piss on those of us who do. Piss on you? I just got called a brainwashed bigot, and I'm pissing on you? Geez, you guys have the thinnest skins around. Some of us don't care past doing a good job for the customer/client. And some only care that the solution puts the most money in their pocket, whether it's good for the client or not. What do you call those people? Data Hos? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:33 PM, mrgmhale wrote: More obviously you missed the tongue-in-cheek humor. But that is okay, you picked up on the real underlying notation regardless. Moral: don't try to use humor or subtlety. Some people just can't fathom it. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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That may be well and true and good for his clients; however, to make complete fallacious statements about another development platform without any first hand knowledge is egregious. But he knew he could make those statements here as he is preaching to the choir. As for hard to learn as you get older, that's balderdash. I started on .net in my 50's and have had no problem learning how to use it well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:59 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch Well, perhaps, but then again, for what his clients need and what he can do for them with his current skillset, he might not feel the need to go back for re-training on something different, be it DotNet, Java, or whatever. And supposedly, the older you get, the harder it is to change and/or learn. ?? -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Well I'm sure it wouldn't be Dabo. Probably ruby or python; however that doesn't negate the fact that making absurd statements with nothing to back them up is ridiculous. I took a look at dabo when you first brought it out. It was plainly obvious that nothing in a real world business app could be developed with it at the time. Don't know about today, but my guess would be it's still not ready. So does my experience with Dabo and the fact that I attend conferences with java users and other language developers, give me the right to spread bullshit about other products with which I have nothing more than a passing acquaintance. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:59 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:23 AM, John Baird wrote: Obviously he's been drinking from the same bottle as the rest of the ''dot not crowd. Its funny that the ones making unqualified statements like this have probably never used .net further than Hello world, if that much. It's funny that so many of the .Net proponents here haven't used any of the alternatives. It's quite shaky to charge those who don't like .Net with being brainwashed and closed-minded when that exactly describes most of the .Net proponents. FWIW, I've looked at .Net when it was first introduced, and then again when the 2.0 version came out. If I was forced to develop in it, I wouldn't hate it, but since I'm aware of much better ways of doing the same things, I wouldn't feel it was the best use of my time. I have gone to several conferences with a lot of .Net users, though, and I always ask a) what platforms do you regularly work with and b) what other development options did you consider before .Net? Care to hazard a guess as to what the answers almost always are? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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There you go again, changing the meaning to suit yourself. I said that he shouldn't make absurd, fallacious statements founded only in what he's read by the xenophones who hate MS and everything they produce. Why can't you stick to the original premise? See my experiences with dabo in another message. I've looked a perl, python, java, Borland c# and Delphi, etc. and still like the power of .net. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:01 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:31 AM, John Weller wrote: Look at the whole thread in the archives before you make comments. ...and list all of the alternatives you explored before accusing others of not being open. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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You don't have to give ringing endorsements. Just say you don't like it and won't use it, but don't make unfounded assertions as to usability, etc. That's all he's (and I'm) saying, but you can't do that, can you? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:39 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: FWIW, I've looked at .Net when it was first introduced, and then again when the 2.0 version came out. If I was forced to develop in it, I wouldn't hate it, but since I'm aware of much better ways of doing the same things, I wouldn't feel it was the best use of my time. I give up Ed, what did your look entail? Did you knock out an app or three? Were they win form or web based? Honestly what did you do for an eval? Does it matter what I answer? I'm sure that anything short of a ringing endorsement will be viewed as you didn't give it a fair chance. But yes, I created a basic winforms app similar to a Java app I had created a few years ago. I used C# because it is, shall we say, inspired by Java. While the environment is very rich, I found the syntax and program flow as clunky and inelegant as I did Java. I have gone to several conferences with a lot of .Net users, though, and I always ask a) what platforms do you regularly work with and b) what other development options did you consider before .Net? Care to hazard a guess as to what the answers almost always are? Is that important, or a desire? I don't really care myself. I wasn't replying to you; I was replying to John Baird's implication that anyone who doesn't embrace .Net has drunk from the bottle of anti-MS bigotry. My point is that the .Net crowd is overwhelmingly single-platform and single-vendor, not the other way around; if anyone is brainwashed... Your heart desires to not do M$ and then you piss on those of us who do. Piss on you? I just got called a brainwashed bigot, and I'm pissing on you? Geez, you guys have the thinnest skins around. Some of us don't care past doing a good job for the customer/client. And some only care that the solution puts the most money in their pocket, whether it's good for the client or not. What do you call those people? Data Hos? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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He may have been being subtle about his age and still using fox, but there was not sublety or humor in his capricious statements about the bloated behemoth, etc. Pander all you want to your admirers, but be truthful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:40 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:33 PM, mrgmhale wrote: More obviously you missed the tongue-in-cheek humor. But that is okay, you picked up on the real underlying notation regardless. Moral: don't try to use humor or subtlety. Some people just can't fathom it. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 17, 2007, at 2:18 PM, John Baird wrote: Well I'm sure it wouldn't be Dabo. You're sure... ok... however that doesn't negate the fact that making absurd statements with nothing to back them up is ridiculous. Nothing to back up an absurd statement... hmmm... didn't I just read someone claim that they were sure about something... I took a look at dabo when you first brought it out. It was plainly obvious that nothing in a real world business app could be developed with it at the time. True, but at least we were honest enough to label it 0.1, not 1.0. Don't know about today, but my guess would be it's still not ready. Well, please don't tell all the people using it to get real work done. I'd hate for them to realize that it's all an illusion. And don't tell the various school systems that are using it to tech kids about GUI development, cause you might make the little kids cry. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 17, 2007, at 2:23 PM, John Baird wrote: You don't have to give ringing endorsements. Just say you don't like it and won't use it, but don't make unfounded assertions as to usability, etc. That's all he's (and I'm) saying, but you can't do that, can you? Please try to keep the people to whom you are responding straight. I said nothing at all about .Net's abilities. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Moral: don't try to use humor or subtlety. Some people just can't fathom it. Agreed (or is that A Greed?), for the moment... g Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:33 PM, mrgmhale wrote: More obviously you missed the tongue-in-cheek humor. But that is okay, you picked up on the real underlying notation regardless. Moral: don't try to use humor or subtlety. Some people just can't fathom it. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 3/17/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:33 PM, mrgmhale wrote: More obviously you missed the tongue-in-cheek humor. But that is okay, you picked up on the real underlying notation regardless. Moral: don't try to use humor or subtlety. Some people just can't fathom it. No need to cater for the lowest denominator, is there ? A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: Moral: don't try to use humor or subtlety. Some people just can't fathom it. No need to cater for the lowest denominator, is there ? Well, given that they obviously can't grasp the difference between a hypothetical reference to a product that might possibly exist 25 years into the future, and a product that exists today, it seems that we should at least try to be accommodating to those who are of limited perceptive faculties. Gil made a jocular reference to whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M $ is stuffing down the throats of developers in 2032, and the Microsoft jackboots assume that he is talking about today. If we're going to have a list that does not exclude anyone, we must accommodate those who either can't read very well, or can't grasp subtle humor. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 3/17/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: Moral: don't try to use humor or subtlety. Some people just can't fathom it. No need to cater for the lowest denominator, is there ? Well, given that they obviously can't grasp the difference between a hypothetical reference to a product that might possibly exist 25 years into the future, and a product that exists today, it seems that we should at least try to be accommodating to those who are of limited perceptive faculties. Gil made a jocular reference to whatever SuperBloat DotNotYet code M $ is stuffing down the throats of developers in 2032, and the Microsoft jackboots assume that he is talking about today. If we're going to have a list that does not exclude anyone, we must accommodate those who either can't read very well, or can't grasp subtle humor. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com Time to introduce some smileys ? A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ed Leafe wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: FWIW, I've looked at .Net when it was first introduced, and then again when the 2.0 version came out. If I was forced to develop in it, I wouldn't hate it, but since I'm aware of much better ways of doing the same things, I wouldn't feel it was the best use of my time. I give up Ed, what did your look entail? Did you knock out an app or three? Were they win form or web based? Honestly what did you do for an eval? Does it matter what I answer? I'm sure that anything short of a ringing endorsement will be viewed as you didn't give it a fair chance. But yes, I created a basic winforms app similar to a Java app I had created a few years ago. I used C# because it is, shall we say, inspired by Java. While the environment is very rich, I found the syntax and program flow as clunky and inelegant as I did Java. I don't remember you making a comment like that in the past. Granted it's been years, but it would have registered as a statement. Your heart desires to not do M$ and then you piss on those of us who do. Piss on you? I just got called a brainwashed bigot, and I'm pissing on you? Geez, you guys have the thinnest skins around. Thin skinned? Not me. I was just pointing out your consistent statements. Some of us don't care past doing a good job for the customer/client. And some only care that the solution puts the most money in their pocket, whether it's good for the client or not. What do you call those people? Data Hos? So as long as it's not a WIN os it's fine? From my POV the Data Ho just does it. They don't care anymore how it's done. Just that the work is completed. It's just characters and numbers to me. It has nothing to do anything past that. Sorry. Stephen Russell DBA / .Net Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 A good way to judge people is by observing how they treat those who can do them absolutely no good. ---Unknown http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.12/724 - Release Date: 3/16/2007 12:12 PM ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 17, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: Time to introduce some smileys ? Why? Do you find people of limited faculties to be funny? -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mar 17, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote: I don't remember you making a comment like that in the past. Granted it's been years, but it would have registered as a statement. I don't remember it ever coming up before. I hope that you realize that there are some things in my life that don't get posted here. Thin skinned? Not me. I was just pointing out your consistent statements. No, you said I pissed on you. You want to show me where? So as long as it's not a WIN os it's fine? From my POV the Data Ho just does it. They don't care anymore how it's done. Just that the work is completed. It's just characters and numbers to me. It has nothing to do anything past that. Sorry. Exactly. Just like real a real Ho; to them it's just johns and tricks. The difference is with those who actually try to consult; those who actually try to make things better for our clients. Those for whom 'integrity' is not an abstract concept. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 3/17/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Jean Laeremans wrote: Time to introduce some smileys ? Why? Do you find people of limited faculties to be funny? Other way around. Would allow them to share in the fun ;) A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ed Leafe wrote: And some only care that the solution puts the most money in their pocket, whether it's good for the client or not. What do you call those people? Data Hos? Zing! -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Stephen the Cook wrote: So as long as it's not a WIN os it's fine? From my POV the Data Ho just does it. They don't care anymore how it's done. Just that the work is completed. It's just characters and numbers to me. It has nothing to do anything past that. Sorry. But seeboth are right, each from a different perspective: the employee just does the job, and is glad to be employed and doesn't really care about the big financial picture--he just does the job and gets his pay. The consultant/ISV wants to give his client the best solution for his money and help him get a good ROI so that the client trusts him and uses him again. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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The consultant/ISV wants to give his client the best solution for his money and help him get a good ROI so that the client trusts him and uses him again. Then again, I have seen the results of consultants who have basically pissed away a large amount of client capital (after getting their cut of course) chasing the Next Big Thing because it sounded cool, and M$ was so behind the Next Big Thing (Oracle too, and IBM, and even Novell at times). So, rather than strive to do a good, qaulity job, they hit and run with dazzling claims, then leave the likes of Ed (even myself to a far lesser degree, as I do not like mopping up after someone else's mess when all the capital is already gone g) to clean up the problems. The consultant is off to their next victim, and who is the wiser? Do you think he/she is going to give their previous screwup as a reference? No, they duck behind the NDA Shield and claim I'd love to tell you, but has to remain confidential... Those that speak loudest, and beat their chests hardest, often have the most to hide and need to make a big sound to cover up their inadequacies. Me, I lurk quietly in the background and offer my opinion when it seems warranted. If a prospect feels compelled to follow someone else's recommendation with Candyland Technology with the Acronymn Of The Day terminology, then let the lemmings run. I prefer to work with folks who want reasonable, highly cost effective solutions that return excellent results to maximize their ability to leverage their technology investment for their business advantage. These kinds of solid clients let those competitors that fall prey to the Loud Voices burn off their capital in nonsensical ways. In short, I guess the My Evil Other Self kind of likes the victimizer consultants, makes things better for me in a way. Gil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MB Software Solutions Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch Stephen the Cook wrote: So as long as it's not a WIN os it's fine? From my POV the Data Ho just does it. They don't care anymore how it's done. Just that the work is completed. It's just characters and numbers to me. It has nothing to do anything past that. Sorry. But seeboth are right, each from a different perspective: the employee just does the job, and is glad to be employed and doesn't really care about the big financial picture--he just does the job and gets his pay. The consultant/ISV wants to give his client the best solution for his money and help him get a good ROI so that the client trusts him and uses him again. -- Michael J. Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions! [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I meant 2038 I guess http://news.com.com/2100-7355-5129875.html Unix itself uses a similar method to resolve dates, but developers chose the maximum infinity value of 2 to the 31st power--about 2 billion seconds. That means that PTC software will time out Jan. 10, while most Unix programs will continue to operate until 2038 http://maul.deepsky.com/%7Emerovech/2038.html. Charlie Coleman wrote: At 10:35 AM 3/11/2007 -0400, mrgmhale wrote: ... I am still here despite the much feared, even more hated, Daylight Saving Time change! And all of my business PCs updated correctly (including the NT4SP6a Server with a 3rd party patch). The M$ Win2000ProSP4 patch even worked! The only machine that did not update was Lynda's (wife) personal ... Yeah what is all the fuss about? The majority of my machines rolled over just fine. Oh wait they're Linux Sorry for the interruption. Back your regularly schedule MS-patching. :-) -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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What happens in 2032? Charlie Coleman wrote: At 10:35 AM 3/11/2007 -0400, mrgmhale wrote: ... I am still here despite the much feared, even more hated, Daylight Saving Time change! And all of my business PCs updated correctly (including the NT4SP6a Server with a 3rd party patch). The M$ Win2000ProSP4 patch even worked! The only machine that did not update was Lynda's (wife) personal ... Yeah what is all the fuss about? The majority of my machines rolled over just fine. Oh wait they're Linux Sorry for the interruption. Back your regularly schedule MS-patching. :-) -Charlie [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
At 10:35 AM 3/11/2007 -0400, mrgmhale wrote: ... I am still here despite the much feared, even more hated, Daylight Saving Time change! And all of my business PCs updated correctly (including the NT4SP6a Server with a 3rd party patch). The M$ Win2000ProSP4 patch even worked! The only machine that did not update was Lynda's (wife) personal ... Yeah what is all the fuss about? The majority of my machines rolled over just fine. Oh wait they're Linux Sorry for the interruption. Back your regularly schedule MS-patching. :-) -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
No daylight savings time here in Tucson. It's about 85 and sunny. I'm thawing out... C Ted Roche wrote: On 3/11/07, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still here despite the much feared, even more hated, Daylight Saving Time change! And all of my business PCs updated correctly (including the NT4SP6a Server with a 3rd party patch). The M$ Win2000ProSP4 patch even worked! My blogging... The smoke clears after the DST spring-ahead … By tedroche … and we'll see if any news develops. Either: nothing will happen and news media will point at IT for once again crying Y2K wolf, despite a lot of sysadmins sleepless nights last week and this weekend. Or some major system will fail and the media will conclude IT isn't taking their role seriously enough. Either way we lose, eh? Here's the score here at Roche Manor: a power blackout at 0045 this morning reset most of the home appliances for us, so we could just find all the stuff blinking 12:00″ to reset. One Win2K laptop reset fine, thanks to our manual intervention with tzedit.exe in advance. One WinXPPro machine sprung two hours in advance instead of one. Two Linux laptops and three Linux servers Just Worked Fine. And the iMac wonders what all the fuss is about. Now we wait to see what happens on the traditional Spring Ahead Day… P.S. Two WinbXPPro laptops sprang x2 hours. I think each was booted into Linux first, and perhaps that updated the computer's clock before the Windows machine. Resetting the WinXPPro machines by having them synch with the internet time servers seemed to clear it up. I don't run any software on the machines know to be DST-incompliant (Outlook, Exchange, etc.) ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
I kept getting text messages from Treo or cingular about updating my Treo 650 software for this boondoogle, and I never found time to get it done. Guess what, the time was corrected anyway...h... patch they say...hmmm My Casio G-Shock Atomic Clock watch synched fine, and I used it to set the time on all the other stuff. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrgmhale Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:36 AM To: profox@leafe.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch Wow! I am still here despite the much feared, even more hated, Daylight Saving Time change! And all of my business PCs updated correctly (including the NT4SP6a Server with a 3rd party patch). The M$ Win2000ProSP4 patch even worked! The only machine that did not update was Lynda's (wife) personal Dell. Then again, in fairness I have it set to not update its XP Media OS automatically, and neither she or I have performed any updates for over a month (until this morning). Once I updated her to the latest XP Media patches her DST adjustment kicked in just fine. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Daylight Saving Time, automated Time Synch
On 3/11/07, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still here despite the much feared, even more hated, Daylight Saving Time change! And all of my business PCs updated correctly (including the NT4SP6a Server with a 3rd party patch). The M$ Win2000ProSP4 patch even worked! My blogging... The smoke clears after the DST spring-ahead … By tedroche … and we'll see if any news develops. Either: nothing will happen and news media will point at IT for once again crying Y2K wolf, despite a lot of sysadmins sleepless nights last week and this weekend. Or some major system will fail and the media will conclude IT isn't taking their role seriously enough. Either way we lose, eh? Here's the score here at Roche Manor: a power blackout at 0045 this morning reset most of the home appliances for us, so we could just find all the stuff blinking 12:00″ to reset. One Win2K laptop reset fine, thanks to our manual intervention with tzedit.exe in advance. One WinXPPro machine sprung two hours in advance instead of one. Two Linux laptops and three Linux servers Just Worked Fine. And the iMac wonders what all the fuss is about. Now we wait to see what happens on the traditional Spring Ahead Day… P.S. Two WinbXPPro laptops sprang x2 hours. I think each was booted into Linux first, and perhaps that updated the computer's clock before the Windows machine. Resetting the WinXPPro machines by having them synch with the internet time servers seemed to clear it up. I don't run any software on the machines know to be DST-incompliant (Outlook, Exchange, etc.) -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
