[proletar] Agama Teror Dipromosikan Oleh Muslimin Bukan Oleh Kafir !!!
Agama Teror Dipromosikan Oleh Muslimin Bukan Oleh Kafir !!! Rakyat di-negara2 maju mengenal Islam sebagai Agama Teror bukan karena membacanya di Bible, melainkan karena mereka telah menjadi korban2 teror oleh muslimin yang mempromosikannya kepada mereka. Kenapa Perancis mendadak melarang Burqa ??? Itupun bukan karena saya yang menyuruh pemerintah Perancis melarangnya, tetapi dikarenakan mereka yang muslimin melakukan teror memaksa pemerintah Perancis mewajibkan setiap muslimah untuk memakai burqa. Dan burqa itu jelas2 melanggar HAM, jelas2 mengancam security, karena rampok juga bisa bersembunyi dibalik burqa baik rampoknya beragama Islam ataupun beragama bukan Islam. Jadi karena burqa itu rentan digunakan untuk kejahatan, maka terpaksa dilarang. Demikian juga tidak beda dengan ajaran Islam yang penuh teror yang rentan disalah gunakan oleh mereka yang mengejar pahala untuk berjihad dengan teror jihadnya. Dalam hal ini memaksa semua negara2 maju melakukan pengawasan ketat kepada muslimin, dan melarang semua pengunjung yang datang dari negara2 Islam. Jadi negara2 maju tidak bisa disalahkan karena mengambil tindakan pencegahan demi melindungi masyarakatnya. fik taufikbe@... wrote: muskitawati-Anda itu tdk pernah membaca kitab2 ALLAH.. Semua yang saya tulis adalah pandangan masyarakat negara2 maju, jadi bukan sekedar pendapat saya yang menyatakan begitu. Dan saya juga tidak ada kepentingannya untuk memaksa mereka membaca kitab2 Allah karena mereka sudah bisa membuktikan bahwa Allah itu cuma takhyul dongeng2. Jadi meskipun mereka membaca kitab2 Allah, pelaku2 teror itu bukan mereka melainkan pendatang2 yang beragama Islam, lalu untuk apa gunanya mereka anda suruh baca kitab2 Allah yang penuh terror itu??? Iya... enggak perlulah, Islam itu ibarat barang dagangan, promosi terornya bukan diiklankan oleh orang2 yang bukan Islam tetapi orang orang2 Islam itu sendiri yang sudah mendalami kitab2 Allah yang anda anjurkan itu. Jadi orang2 dinegara maju mengenal Islam sebagai agama teror bukan karena mereka percaya Islam, melainkan karena mereka telah jadi korban para muslimin yang rajin shalat 5 waktu dan hafal isi kitab2 Allah ini. Lalu apa manfaatnya mereka yang diteror itu disuruh membaca kitab2 Allah, padahal umat Ahmadiah yang lebih banyak membaca kitab2 Allah sekalipun enggak luput dari teror yang dilakukan sesama umat Islam juga. Lebih bermanfaat anda suruh anggauta2 FPI itu membaca kitab2 Allah lebih banyak lagi agar lebih banyak menteror sesama umat Islam bukan cuma umat Ahmadiah saja, tetapi juga umat Syiah, dan umat Kejawen. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] antara doa dan karya...
orang lain tidak membutuhkan doamu, tapi membutuhkan karyamu...(WS, 23-04-2011) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
memang kayak gini deh tipikal orang kristen tolol yang ngomong nggak berdasarkan bukti. udah jelas dia nggak punya bukti islam menghalalkan pedopil, tapi masih tetep aja melakukan fitnah dan pamer ketololannya sendiri tanpa malu-malu. gw udah bilang, nggak ada buktinya tertulis di quran ajaran islam yang memberi perintah pedopil, seperti bukti tertulis di alkitab ngencuk anak sendiri, ngencuk bini tetangga, dan piara cabo yang namanya sama seperti nama ibunya sendiri seperti yang dajarkan oleh tuhan jesus. karena tertulis di alkitab memang jelas bapak ngencuk anak sendiri, ngencuk bini orang, sehingga banyak kejadian orang kristen ngencuk bini orang dan juga bapak yang ngencuk anak sendiri di amerika, atau pastor2 juga ngencuk altar boys, karena itu memang sesuai dengan yang tertulis di alkitab. elu sebagai orang kristen tolol yang taat menjalankan agama, tentu sama juga ngencuk anak sendiri, ngencuk bini tetangga, dan piara cabo yang namanya sama sesuai dengan nama ibu lu. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe Islam itu ngehalalin pedophilia, makanya ga ada satu ekor muslim yg berani bilang bhw ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu adalah ajaran bejad krn itu berarti bilang Islam itu bejad. From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:36:27 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel udah dijawab phedopike itu urusan vatican, langsung dah ngeles oot. lu ngga ada bedanya sama si junkie tua jusfiq yang oot mulu. well, ada sih bedanya dikit, kalo si jusfiq anjing tua kalo elu anjing sipit. in a way, keduanya sama2 anjing tolol pemakan taik. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Betul kan yg gua bilang, ga akan ada satu ekor muslim yg akan ngejawab pertanyaan sederhana yg bersifat umum tsb. From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 10:52:14 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe ga ada orang Islam yg berani jawab apakah ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad apa bukan. hehehe..., phedophilia itu kan bukan urusan orang islam, itu urusan vatican. lagian, korbannya kan 'alter boys'. ngapain orang islam ikut campur urusan vatican? seperti perintah alkitab untuk elu, piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu elu sendiri, seperti kelakuan tuhan jesus. itu nggak perlu ikut campur. tapi, kalo urusan ngencuk anak sendiri, ngencuk bini orang, baru dah boleh ikut campur, karna hal itu sudah mengganggu keamanan masyarakat sosial. Kenapa ga ada satu ekor jg yg berani jawab? iya ya.. kenapa elu nggak berani jawab ya? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. gw nggak fitnah. itu ada tertulis di alkitab. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. makin keliatan kan, orang kristen bego kalo udah nggak bisa debat lagi langsung dah oot sambil ngacir terkaing-kaing dan langsung ngeloco untuk memuaskan diri sendiri. biasalah itu tipikal kristen bego. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... si anjing sipit lagi ngacir terkaing-kaing sambil menggonggong dan berdusta, persis seperti muridnya tuhan jesus yang ngacir terkaing-kaing dan berdusta ketika tuhan jesus disalib. hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. =Berapa tahun baca alkitab?berapa tahun memeluk agama kresten? apakah anda pendatang baru?apakah anda memang sejak dilahirkan sudah beragama kresten? Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. =Kenapa tidak?anda itu dari ocehan saja sudah tampak sebagai bajingan. atau anda sungguh2 adalah korban dari pedophile? rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah ngefitnah. =reza tukang fitnah?anda sunguhan cengeng rupanyamanja pula Ga masalah koq buat gua kalo orang2 Islam ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, ini justru ngebuktikan apa yg gua bilang bhw Islam itu emang agama yg benar bagi para bajingan keparat. =Oooh itu hanya khayalan anda sajaanda tidak mengikuti ajaran kasih dari jesus christus super star rupanya. Ngomong2, apa kira2 si habe akan kaing2 bhw si rezameutia ini ngefitnah sbg reaksi atas apa yg gua bilang di milis ini? Bisa jadi, lalu berikutanya mungkin si habe jg akan ikutan ngefitnah tanpa malu2, heheh... Lalu suryana mungkin jg akan ikut maki2 ga keruan, hehehe. =Rupanya tukang fitnah di-mana2 sama saja,selalu ingin membenar kan diri sendiri..tukang fitnah begitu adanya. --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To:
[proletar] Re: The Special One...
si anjing sipit bisanya cuman nulis 'one line' dan oot pula. nggak malu pamer ketololan nggak ada abisnya. kesian... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia ini jg doyan jilat pantat sendiri, ngakunya ga pernah ngefitnah. From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:17:07 AM Subject: [proletar] The Special One... Jose Mourinho memang hebat dan layak mendapat julukan 'The Special One'. Selama karir sebagai manager sepak bola dari mulai Porto sampe Real Madrid, Jose Morinho selalu mendapatkan gelar juara. Ditambah lagi, selama karirnya Jose Mourinho rekor 149 tidak pernah kalah dikandang dan baru terkalahkan ketika dipukul Sporting Gijon 0-1 kemarin. Kemarin. JM membuktikan lagi kepiawaiannya dengan menundukkan 'The Mighty' Barcelona dan merebut 'Copa del Rey'. Dalam pertandingan kemarin, Jose Mourinho merubah strategi dari pertandingan 'El Clasico' hari Sabtu sebelumnya. Pemain kesayangan Mourinho, Mezut Ozil dipasang sejak awal dengan strategi yang membingungkan, Real Madrid bermain tanpa striker di depan. Benzema dan Adebayor tidak bermain, baru setelah akhir pertandingan Adebayor masuk menggantikan Mezut Ozil. Pujian untuk Jose Mourinho makin bertaburan, He is phenomenon kata Casillas. He is captain of the ship.., kata Sergio Ramos. Memang tidak ada kata lain, Jose Mourinho is the best. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
si anjing sipit udah kalap, semua orang dibawa-bawa, katanya rame2 ngefitnah dia. menyedihkan... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe apa ayub_yahya dan hasan basri akan ngikutin jejak rezameutia ngefitnah gua? Ga aneh koq kalo mereka jg ikutan rame2 ngefitnah, maklum aja, ayub_yahya dan hasan basri itu doyan ngeloco rame2. Kalo perlu, sekalian suryana jg, krn suryana itu ga jauh ketinggalan koq dibandingkan hasan basri. From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:33:07 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel hehehe..., si item muke kontol kebingungan dikasih tahu alkitab isinya nggak ada bedanya dengan buku porno. lalu, mewek2 ke semua orang mengatakan gw menyebar fitnah. saking tolol dan nggak tau malunya si item muke kontol, dia neymbah2 ke habe dan suryana supaya ikutan ngomong urusan gw dengan dia. kemaren, dia mendoakan keluarga suryana kena musibah, sekarang dia nyembah2 suryana supaya ikutan ngomong. ya tolol... orang kristen kayak si item muke kontol yang mengikuti perintah alkitab untuk ngncuk anak sendiri sampe buntibf, ngencuk bini orang sampe bunting, sudah tentu tolol dan dungu. tem, lu udah piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu elu, seperti kelakuan tuhan jesus? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah ngefitnah. Ga masalah koq buat gua kalo orang2 Islam ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, ini justru ngebuktikan apa yg gua bilang bhw Islam itu emang agama yg benar bagi para bajingan keparat. Ngomong2, apa kira2 si habe akan kaing2 bhw si rezameutia ini ngefitnah sbg reaksi atas apa yg gua bilang di milis ini? Bisa jadi, lalu berikutanya mungkin si habe jg akan ikutan ngefitnah tanpa malu2, heheh... Lalu suryana mungkin jg akan ikut maki2 ga keruan, hehehe. From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 9:54:30 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel hehehe..., kan emang sudah terbukti bahwa lu adalah kristen yang taat. sebagai kristen yang taat lu ikutin perintah alkitab, ngencuk anak sendiri, ngencuk bini tetangga, dan tentunya lu juga piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu lu, seperti layaknya tuhan jesus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe ga ada urusan Alkitab ngajarin apa dgn apa yg gua perbuat. Emangnya, kapan gua pernah bilang bhw gua nurutin semua yg ada di Alkitab? Yg lu fitnah adalah gua, bukan ALkitab. Lu bilang gua ngencukin anak sendiri. Buktikan deh ocehan lu ini, kan lu udah jilat pantat besar2an dgn bilang ga pernah ngefitnah. From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 8:58:10 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel lha.., itu memang diajarkan di alkitab kan? elu sebagai kristen yang taat tentunya melakukan perintah alkitab, ngencuk anak sendiri sampe bunting dan ngencuk istri tetangga sampe bunting. begitu kan sesuai perintah di alkitab?? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Apa bukannya lu pernah ngefitnah gua ngencukin anak sendiri? Tp lu ini omong gede ga pernah fitnah, hehehe Emang orang Islam itu ga bisa dipercaya omongannnya sama sekali. From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 6:06:56 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@ wrote: rezameutia kalap dan terus memfitnah... saya tidak pernah fitnah.. anda sendiri yang mengakui menghisap ganja dan minum alkohol setiapa hari sehingga otak anda menjadi ciut seperti biji peler. Dia fitnah kami tidak membaca buku saat kami datang dengan bukti bahwa menurut sumber islam
[proletar] copy paste pemikiran...
Pemikiranmu sesungguhnya adalah copy paste... apabila kamu membaca buku2 arab, maka pemikiranmu seperti arabian... apabila kamu membaca buku2 asia tengah, maka pemikiranmu juga mirip asia tengah... Apabila kamu membaca karya orang-orang besar dan terkenal, maka pemikiranmu juga akan seperti mereka... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: copy paste pemikiran...
bagaimana kalo nggak pernah baca buku, seperti jusfiq? nggak punya pemikiran dong?? :) --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: Pemikiranmu sesungguhnya adalah copy paste... apabila kamu membaca buku2 arab, maka pemikiranmu seperti arabian... apabila kamu membaca buku2 asia tengah, maka pemikiranmu juga mirip asia tengah... Apabila kamu membaca karya orang-orang besar dan terkenal, maka pemikiranmu juga akan seperti mereka... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] CNN: More than 40 dead in protests as violence erupts across Syria
More than 40 dead in protests as violence erupts across Syria By the CNN Wire Staff April 23, 2011 -- Updated 0834 GMT (1634 HKT) Click to play 'It was really like hell' STORY HIGHLIGHTS * It's better to die than to live without freedom, one man says * U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon joins chorus of international condemnation * This is going to become worse, a human rights official predicts * The killings occur in several flashpoint regions as thousand (CNN) -- Violence swept across Syria on Friday, with at least 43 people reported killed in another bloody day of confrontation between government forces and demonstrators calling for political change. Reliable numbers were difficult to come by. CNN bases its figures on reports from witnesses. Amnesty International, citing local human rights activists, reported that at least 75 people were killed in Friday's protests. The Syrian government does not permit CNN to report from inside the country. The killings occurred in several flashpoint regions as thousands of Syrian protesters defiantly marched after Muslims' weekly prayers in a display of mass discontent toward the government. Violence ripped through the Damascus suburbs of Douma, Moademy and Zamalka, and other cities -- Homs, Harasta and Izraa. The state-run news agency reported demonstrations and clashes, citing injuries but no deaths. Human rights groups and witnesses told a different story. Today, they have killed so many people. There are so many people injured and people have been kidnapped, Wissam Tarif, a human rights activist, told CNN. They are acting as an armed gang, not as security forces. Syria cracks down on protests Explain it to me: Mideast/African unrest Will protests resume in Syria? In the city of Homs, near Syria's western border with Lebanon, one man said a fellow demonstrator was shot in the head, put into a car by other demonstrators and driven off as others in the crowd fell to sniper fire. They were shooting and people were running like hell, said the 25-year-old cameraman, who did not want to be identified for fear of reprisal. The city's businesses had all shut down. It's a ghost town, he said. Though he said he was frightened, he predicted that demonstrations would resume Saturday. It's better to die than to live without freedom, he told CNN's Anderson Cooper. Ted Kattouf, the former U.S. ambassador to Syria, expressed admiration for the demonstrators' courage, but made no predictions about where it might lead. Unfortunately, repression, if used repeatedly, ruthlessly, brutally, can work. We saw that in Iran and, I'm afraid, we could see it in Syria. The demonstrators do not have the critical mass needed to effect regime change, Kattouf said. He noted that massive demonstrations have yet to appear in Damascus or Aleppo, where millions of people reside, most of them Sunni. President Bashar al-Assad is Alawite, an offshoot of Shiite Islam. There's a coalition of interests here, and the demonstrations would have to get much, much larger and stretch the capacity of the regime's security services to the point where some people thought about maybe making their own ways and abandoning Assad. Misery in Misrata Rights group alleges torture in Bahrain RELATED TOPICS * Damascus (Syria) * Syria * Protests and Demonstrations The violence prompted international condemnation, with British Foreign Secretary William Hague calling the killings unacceptable, and calling on Syrian security forces to exercise restraint instead of repression, and on the Syrian authorities to respect the Syrian people's right to peaceful protest. Before Friday's marches, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch said the death toll had exceeded 200 since the demonstrations began in mid-March. U.S. President Barack Obama condemned the use of force by the Syrian government against demonstrators. This outrageous use of violence to quell protests must come to an end now, he said in a statement. The Syrian people have called for the freedoms that all individuals around the world should enjoy: freedom of expression, association, peaceful assembly, and the ability to freely choose their leaders. President Assad and the Syrian authorities have repeatedly rejected their calls and chosen the path of repression. He accused Assad of blaming outsiders while seeking Iranian assistance in repressing Syria's citizens through the same brutal tactics that have been used by his Iranian allies. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the spokesman for France's Ministry of European and Foreign Affairs condemned the violence. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
nggak kebalik tuh? orang beragama tidak pernah takut dan tidak pernah khawatir dengan kematian sehingga mereka sudah ikhlas menghadapi kematian karena mereka sudah yakin perjalanan hidup mereka di dunia sudah benar. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: ya, yg ini setuju, agama tak lain memang bius ketakutan manusia menghadapi kematian... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, muskitawati muskitawati@ wrote: Seharusnya kata2nya diperbaiki menjadi: ketakutan manusia dalam menghadapi kematian diatasi dengan kepercayaan adanya kehidupan setelah mati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang
lagi merengek-rengek menangis ngadu ama gurunya, supaya sekalian bisa ngeloco bareng. hehehe --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hebatnya, si rezameutia ini dgn gagahnya bilang dia ga pernah ngefitnah. From: Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:31:47 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang dungu, buas, kejam, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab... Karena dia tidak bisa membantah omongan orang kafir yang bilang bahwa ajaran agamanya itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab dan hanya berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitf, maka sejak bertahun-tahun kerjanya di mailing list ini terutama menyebar fitnah dan dusta serta pamer fikiran busuknya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. =Berapa tahun baca alkitab?berapa tahun memeluk agama kresten? apakah anda pendatang baru?apakah anda memang sejak dilahirkan sudah beragama kresten? Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. =Kenapa tidak?anda itu dari ocehan saja sudah tampak sebagai bajingan. atau anda sungguh2 adalah korban dari pedophile? rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah ngefitnah. =reza tukang fitnah?anda sunguhan cengeng rupanyamanja pula Ga masalah koq buat gua kalo orang2 Islam ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, ini justru ngebuktikan apa yg gua bilang bhw Islam itu emang agama yg benar bagi para bajingan keparat. =Oooh itu hanya khayalan anda sajaanda tidak mengikuti ajaran
[proletar] France24: Western leaders condemn violence against protesters
Western leaders condemn violence against protesters By News Wires the 23/04/2011 - 09:49 UN chief Ban Ki-moon joined western leaders in condemning Syria for its use of violence in suppressing Friday's brutal crackdown that left at least 70 protesters dead, in what was the bloodiest day of the month-long uprising. AFP - UN chief Ban Ki-moon joined western leaders in condemning Damascus after Syrian forces killed at least 75 people during Good Friday protests in one of the bloodiest days of a month-long uprising. The deaths signalled no let-up from President Bashar al-Assad, whose forces used live ammunition and tear gas against demonstrators in several towns and cities nationwide, witnesses and activists told AFP by telephone. The bloodshed erupted as thousands of demonstrators took to the streets in order to test long sought-after freedoms one day after Assad scrapped decades of draconian emergency rule. SANA, the official news agency, said that 10 people died in clashes between protesters and passers-by, adding that security forces intervened using only tear gas and water cannon. Rights groups put the toll much higher. The Syrian security forces committed massacres in several towns and regions today (Friday), so far killing 72 people and wounding hundreds, the London-based Syrian Human Rights Committee said in a statement. Several rights activists also published provisional lists recording the deaths of more than 70 people, with Amnesty International quoting reports saying at least 75 people have been killed. Friday's death toll compared with killings on March 23 in the southern town of Daraa, a focus of the protests, when activists said 100 people died. A chorus of international condemnation rang out. US President Barack Obama blasted Syria's outrageous use of violence, accusing Assad's regime of seeking Iran's aid in the brutal crackdown on the pro-democracy movement that emerged in mid-March. Instead of listening to their own people, President Assad is blaming outsiders while seeking Iranian assistance in repressing Syria's citizens through the same brutal tactics that have been used by his Iranian allies. The UN chief said Assad's government must respect international human rights, including the right to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly. and called for an independent probe into the killings. France urged Syria to engage in a political dialogue without delay, while European Parliament chief Jerzy Buzek called for the release of all prisoners of conscience and British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the killing of demonstrators is unacceptable. Amnesty, citing Syrian activists, said: At least 75 people have been killed today (Friday) in Syria during mass protests... as the government launched its deadliest crackdown yet on demonstrators calling for political reform. According to Amnesty, 30 people were killed in the southern town of Ezreh, 22 in Damascus, 18 in the central city of Homs and the rest in other parts of the country. Two boys aged seven and 10 were among those killed in Izrah. The Syrian authorities have again responded to peaceful calls for change with bullets and batons, said Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa director Malcolm Smart. Thousands of protesters chanting freedom, freedom, and calling for the fall of the regime swarmed cities across Syria on Friday from Qamishli in the northeast to Daraa, the protest hub, in the south, witnesses said. There were protests also in the capital Damascus and the northern suburb of Douma, they told AFP. Assad, in power since replacing his father Hafez as president in 2000, issued decrees Thursday scrapping emergency rule, abolishing the state security court and allowing citizens to hold peaceful demonstrations. But his detractors said the moves were not enough, and the so-called Syrian Local Coordinating Committees of protesters made a raft of demands, urging a halt to the torture, killings and arrests of protesters. Friday's protests came after a call by Facebook group The Syrian Revolution 2011 for rallies spanning the Christian and Muslim faiths on Good Friday, which commemorates Jesus Christ's crucifixion. Friday is also the Muslim day of rest when the biggest demonstrations have been staged across Syria after weekly prayers. Before Friday, security forces and plain-clothes police had killed about 220 people in a brutal crackdown on the protests, according to Amnesty International. Source URL: http://www.france24.com/en/20110423-UN-western-leaders-condemn-brutal-crackdown Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings
[proletar] Tommy in Mix for Leadership of the National Republic Party
Refeleksi: Tambah lagi satu partai politik tukang copet nasional. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/tommy-suharto-wants-to-launch-party-for-2014-elections/436927 Tommy in Mix for Leadership of the National Republic Party Jakarta Globe | April 23, 2011' The controversial youngest son of former dictator Suharto is planning to launch a new political party in the near future but did not attend a key coordination meeting on Friday to announce his intentions. (JG Photo) The son of the late President Suharto was not physically present at Friday's debut of the party, but a photograph of him in sunglasses and a baseball cap was ubiquitous on the walls alongside the party's symbol. Although it remained unclear whether or not the party is simply riding the coattails of Tommy's fame, one party cofounder insisted that Tommy was the real deal. Retired Maj. Gen. Edi Waluyo, a former lawmaker, said on Friday that the party would be officially launched soon and was expected to run in the 2014 presidential polls. The party will only be formally launched after it has been registered with the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights. Tommy, Edi said, and a string of senior political figures had become concerned with the lackluster performance of the existing political parties and were listening to the people's wishes and complaints. In a speech at the event, Edi said the party's founders had discussed with Tommy the need for a new party in Indonesia. Tommy agreed. This is a shared commitment, Edi said. The registration deadline, he said, was in July. Our expectation is that we can complete all the processes and the verification procedures to contest in the 2014 presidential polls, he said. Edi emphasized that the party had yet to decide whether or not Tommy would hold the position of party chair. Neither Tommy nor his lawyers could be reached for comment. A revised law on political parties tightens the requirements for parties to contest elections. The most significant change is that parties intending to run in the 2014 election now have six months to prove they have 990 members spread throughout the country's 33 provinces. Parties previously only needed 50 members to be officially recognized. The amended law requires parties to have at least 30 registered members - married or at least 21 years of age - in each of the 33 provinces, or a total of 990 individual members. Siti Zuhro, a political analyst from the Indonesian Institute of Sciences, told the Jakarta Globe that competition would be very tough for the National Republic Party. She said Indonesians were better-educated voters after the 2009 presidential elections, and that to be elected as a serious political party, members should have a clear vision and ideology. Siti reminded voters that Tommy had failed in his earlier political test, when he lost Golkar Party chairmanship in 2009. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: Syria urged to end deadly repression
Middle East Syria urged to end deadly repression Obama leads condemnation and accuses Damascus of seeking Iranian help as dozens reported killed in latest protests. Last Modified: 23 Apr 2011 08:28 Barack Obama, the US president, has said Syria's deadly crackdown on protesters must come to an end now and accused Damascus of seeking Iranian help to repress its people. Some 75 protesters were killed on Friday, according to human rights group Amnesty International, in the bloodiest violence in a month of escalating protests against Syrian president Bashar al-Assad's rule. Local activists have released a list of 103 people who they say were killed in Friday's crackdown. SANA, the official news agency, put the number of people killed on Friday at 10, reporting that they died in clashes between protesters and passers-by. The SANA account said that security forces only used tear gas and water cannons. This outrageous use of violence to quell protests must come to an end now, said Obama on Friday, dismissing as not serious Assad's lifting of a decades-old emergency law in Syria this week and accused him of seeking help from Iran. Instead of listening to their own people, President Assad is blaming outsiders while seeking Iranian assistance in repressing Syria's citizens through the same brutal tactics that have been used by his Iranian allies, he said. We strongly oppose the Syrian government's treatment of its citizens and we continue to oppose its continued destabilising behaviour more generally, including support for terrorism and terrorist groups, said Obama. Despite the criticism, Obama did not refer to any potential US consequences should Assad refuse to heed his demands. UN demands 'independent' investigation Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, meanwhile, has condemned the Syrian government's killing of demonstrators, calling for an independent, transparent and effective investigation into the killings, his spokesman said on Friday. The secretary-general condemns the ongoing violence against peaceful demonstrators in Syria, which again has killed and injured many today, and calls for it to stop immediately, Farhan Haq, Ban's spokesman, said from the UN headquarters in New York. Ban said that President Assad's government must respect international human rights, including the right to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly, as well as the freedom of the press. The UN secretary-general stressed that only an inclusive dialogue and the effective implementation of reforms can address the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people and ensure social peace and order. European condemnation Jerzy Buzek, the European Parliament chief on Friday also condemned the shooting deaths of protesters in Syria and called for the release of all prisoners of conscience. Today's violent crackdown on peaceful demonstrations all over Syria is unacceptable. The bloodshed has to stop now: this is the government's first and foremost responsibility, he said in a statement. Any form of violence against peaceful demonstrators must stop: no more killing, no more torture, no more arbitrary arrests. An independent investigation into the deaths of protesters has to be carried out. France also urged Syrian authorities to halt their use of violence on anti-government protesters. We call on them once more to engage in an inclusive political dialogue without delay and to put into place reforms that respond to the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people, said deputy spokeswoman Christine Fages, deputy spokeswoman for the foreign ministry. She also called for the release of those arrested and for respecting basic rights, including media freedom and the right to hold peaceful demonstrations. Peak of violence At least 75 people were killed on Friday as security forces use live ammunition and tear gas to quell anti-government protests across the country, according to human rights group Amnesty International. Friday's death toll was one of the bloodiest in protests for democratic change - the first since emergency rule was imposed by the ruling Baath Party when it seized power in 1963. Amnesty International called for an immediate end to the attacks on protesters and for an investigation into the deadly events. The Syrian authorities have again responded to peaceful calls for change with bullets and batons, said Malcolm Smart, the London-based organisation's director for the Middle East. They must immediately halt their attacks on peaceful protesters and instead allow Syrians to gather freely, as international law demands. Source: Agencies Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[proletar] Arrests Point To New Face Of Terrorism
Refleksi : Tetap ada teroris berarti rejeki nomplok bagi petinggi-petinggi TNI dan Polri, banyak bantuan duit bisa datang masuk kantong dengan dalih menghancurkan terorisme internasuional. http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/arrests-point-to-new-face-of-terrorism/436926 Arrests Point To New Face Of Terrorism Farouk Arnaz, Ronna Nirmala Camelia Pasandaran | April 23, 2011 The arrest of 19 terrorism suspects and the subsequent discovery of a Good Friday bomb plot appears to have revealed a new breed of terror. Most of the newly arrested were university graduates and were apprehended in various parts of the country in relation to the series of book bombs sent to various prominent figures in Jakarta last month. Their arrest on Thursday also led police to five bombs meant to blow up a Catholic church and an Army weapons warehouse in Serpong, Tangerang, on Friday. But antiterrorism sources say they have yet to find any real link between these men and known terrorism or Islamist groups. The face of terror is changing now, one police source said, pointing out similarities between this group and other lone wolves who planned and carried out attacks without the support or backing of major networks. They included the 2006 bombing of an AW restaurant in East Jakarta, a bicycle bomb explosion in Bekasi in September and the suicide bombing of a Cirebon mosque last week. These are individuals influenced by radical clerics from the Internet, the police source said. This is the face of the terror network we are facing today and it is the most dangerous. An International Crisis Group report released on Wednesday said that violent extremism in Indonesia is increasingly taking the form of small groups acting independently of large jihadi organizations but sometimes with their encouragement. It underlined the change in tactics and targets, opting now for secret assassinations and increasingly local targets. Noor Huda Ismail, a terrorism analyst, said these lone terrorists were inspired by the arrest or death of their seniors, leaders of large terror groups such as Jemaah Islamiyah. Because their leaders were being arrested by police, these individual terrorists conclude that their new enemy is the police or security forces, that's why many of their attacks were addressed to the National Police. Noor said these individual terrorists might be harder to uncover and eradicate. However, ICG's Sidney Jones warned against drawing conclusions too soon and refused to rule out the possibility that a link to a larger, possibly mainstream group may later be uncovered. Ansyaad Mbai, head of Indonesia's National Counter-Terrorism Agency, has said that after looking at the 19 arrestees, all the suspects in those cases are somehow related to mainstream figures or groups. Ansyaad cited the Indonesian Islamic State (NII) movement, the JI, Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid and other radical groups. There are two types of radical groups, the terrorist and non-terrorist, he said. They seems to be separate cases, but at one level such as in Aceh, they're united and all the groups meet there, he added. They are inspired by the mainstream group. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang
Anda sudah keteteran rezameutia, anda tidak bisa mebantah bahwa ajaran agama taik anjing Islam yang dungu, buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas lagi biadab yang anda anut itu hanyalah berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitif. Sebaran fitnah, dusta dan pemeran fikiran busuk anda yang nista lagi menjijikkan yang anda lakukn sejak bertahun-tahun tidak akan mengubah kenyataan: anda itu sungguh dungu kayak babi dan tahun 2011 masih bersedia jadi korban kibulan orang Arab primitif. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, rezameutia rezameutia@... wrote: lagi merengek-rengek menangis ngadu ama gurunya, supaya sekalian bisa ngeloco bareng. hehehe --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hebatnya, si rezameutia ini dgn gagahnya bilang dia ga pernah ngefitnah. From: Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:31:47 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang dungu, buas, kejam, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab... Karena dia tidak bisa membantah omongan orang kafir yang bilang bahwa ajaran agamanya itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab dan hanya berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitf, maka sejak bertahun-tahun kerjanya di mailing list ini terutama menyebar fitnah dan dusta serta pamer fikiran busuknya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. =Berapa tahun baca alkitab?berapa tahun memeluk agama kresten? apakah anda pendatang baru?apakah anda memang sejak dilahirkan sudah beragama kresten? Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang
Re: [proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
Siapa tidak mau 72 bidadari setelah mati? hehehehe - Original Message - From: wawan To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul... bagaimanapun para jihadis itu termotivasi karena mengejar 'kepentingan' individunya, yaitu afterlife di sorga... sekali lagi, saya punya thesis, agama adalah urusan individual, sekaligus membuat manusia (semakin fanatis) terpisah dari komunalnya agama seperti bius...ini thesis yg sudah lama di eropa.. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: copy paste pemikiran...
Anda sudah keteteran rezameutia, anda tidak bisa mebantah bahwa ajaran agama taik anjing Islam yang dungu, buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas lagi biadab yang anda anut itu hanyalah berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitif. Sebaran fitnah, dusta dan pemeran fikiran busuk anda yang nista lagi menjijikkan yang anda lakukn sejak bertahun-tahun tidak akan mengubah kenyataan: anda itu sungguh dungu kayak babi dan tahun 2011 masih bersedia jadi korban kibulan orang Arab primitif. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, rezameutia rezameutia@... wrote: bagaimana kalo nggak pernah baca buku, seperti jusfiq? nggak punya pemikiran dong?? :) --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, wawan selarasmilis@ wrote: Pemikiranmu sesungguhnya adalah copy paste... apabila kamu membaca buku2 arab, maka pemikiranmu seperti arabian... apabila kamu membaca buku2 asia tengah, maka pemikiranmu juga mirip asia tengah... Apabila kamu membaca karya orang-orang besar dan terkenal, maka pemikiranmu juga akan seperti mereka... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Reposting: Orang tua rezameutia yang dungu kayak anjing
Saya tambahkan: ternyata keadaan rezameutia itu lebih gawat dari yang saya sangka semula: dia juga menderita premature ejaculation. Jadi nggak heran hidupnya begitu sengsara. Orang tua rezameutia yang dungu kayak anjing, seperti juga orang tua peserta mailing list ini yang beragama Islam kayak Dipo, johny-indon, ndeboost, PAREWA PAREWA, Roman Proteus, Tawang dll. tidak sanggup memberikan pendidikan yang memadai kepada anaknya yang tentu saja jadi dungu kayak anjing seperti orang tuanya dan berpengetahuan dangkal kayak comberan dimusim kemarau di Jakarta. Bayangin, begitu cetek pengetahuan rezameutia itu hingga Afrika Selatan dikatakannya negeri bule, bahasa Inggerisnya juga acak-acakan hingga dia tidak tahu apa arti kata legendary. Kesanggupannnya juga terutama terbatas ngomong tentang sepak bola dan musik dan, menurut Suryana tukang jilat pantat orang Islam, ngedongeng.. Disamping itu orang tua rezameutia yang memang dungu kayak anjing itu juga membiarkan anaknya yang memang suka mikir pake kontol itu menjadikan buku taik anjing al-Mushaf susunan orang Arab primitif sebagai kitab suci. rezameutia juga tidak dilatih oleh orang tuanya yang memang dungu-dungu kayak anjing itu memakai otaknya buat berfikir, dia tidak dilatih untuk berfikir kritis. Dia tidak dilatih untuk mempertanyakan apa yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya. Dia dilatih buat biasa bersikap seperti anjing budug lapar dihadapan taik angat: diajar untuk melahap apa yang dikatakan orang sekelilingnya dan kayak bebek, dia suka ikut apa yang dilakukan orang lain, tanpa mikir, seperti naik haji sembari muter-muter kayak orang gila disekeliling Kaabah dan nyambit setan yang nggak ada di padang pasir sono. Selanjutnya... Di abad ke XXI ini, berkat kemajuan teknologi, rezameutia juga punya akses ke internet dan sempat melihat kenyataan lain yang pahit lagi menyilaukan yang ditunjukkan orang lain di internet: ajaran agama Islam yang dianutnya dan yang dikiranya berdasarkan kebenaran dan berdasarkan wahyu dari Allah itu ternyata cuman berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan hasil khayalan orang Arab primitif. Karena dia tidak dilatih untuk memakai otaknya untuk berfikir dan untuk mempertanyakan apa yang dia yakini selama ini maka dia bingung dihadapan kenyataan itu: groggy. Dia jadi gila. Gila dan lantas kalap. Lalu dia jadi tukang fitnah dan penyebar dusta. Karena saya bercerita bahwa saya pernah mengisap ganja satu kali, maka saya difitnhnya junkie. Dan karena saya menurutkan nasehat berbagai lembaga kesehatan di Eropa yang menganjurkan orang untuk mengikuti diet mediteranian yang antara lain terdiri dari dua atautiga gelas anggur tiap hari maka saya difitnahnya alkoholik. Berbeda dengan orang Islam lain yang juga sudah pada jadi gila, rezameutia memang bersedia menjalani terapi. Tapi hasilnya tetap saja sama: rezameutia tetap saja cuma bisa memakai kontolnya buat berfikir dan buah fikirannnya, tidak mengherankan, tetap saja terutam najis seperti fitnah dan dusta. Kasihan saya melihatnya Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Saya Masih Cukup Waras
Refleksi : Apakah kewarasan Hatta Rajasa terganggu? Kalau hanya cukup waras berarti kewarasannya masih tidak spenuhnya sempurna! http://majalah.tempointeraktif.com//id/arsip/2011/04/18/LU/mbm.20110418.LU136485.id.html# a.. 18 April 2011 Hatta Rajasa: Saya Masih Cukup Waras DISERET ke pusaran perkara korupsi pengadaan kereta api bekas dari Jepang, Hatta Rajasa meradang. Menurut Menteri Koordinator Perekonomian ini, perkara itu tidak berkaitan dengan dia. Pada 2006, ketika pengadaan dijalankan, Hatta merupakan Menteri Perhubungan. Kepada Tempo, yang menemuinya Kamis malam pekan lalu di rumah dinas menteri, Hatta mengatakan justru menyetop proyek ketika mulai tercium ada kejanggalan. Saya minta diaudit, ujar Ketua Umum Partai Amanat Nasional ini. Bagaimana pengadaan kereta bekas dari Jepang dilakukan? Saya tak ikut sama sekali. Sampai kemudian ada permintaan Pak Soemino, 1 November 2006, untuk menunjuk langsung Sumitomo Corporation sebagai rekanan. Saya bilang ke Sekretaris Jenderal Departemen Perhubungan, menteri tak bisa menunjuk langsung. Saya minta ini ditelaah. Lalu? Pada 13 November, Sekjen menelaah. Kesimpulannya, menteri tidak bisa menunjuk langsung rekanan (Hatta menunjukkan surat). Di tengah jalan, Inspektorat Jenderal bilang pengangkutan kereta ini berbeda dengan hibah G to G. Perbedaan dalam proses pengangkutan mengakibatkan kemungkinan ada selisih biaya. Saya bilang stop proses ini. Panggil Badan Pengawasan Keuangan dan Pembangunan. Saya tidak tahu proses selanjutnya karena pada 2007 saya dipindahkan menjadi Menteri-Sekretaris Negara. Yang saya tahu, BPKP bilang ini enggak ada yang salah. Tapi ini bukan hibah, melainkan pembelian. Hibah kan harus lewat Badan Perencanaan Pembangunan Nasional Itulah kenapa saya stop. Saya minta ini diaudit semuanya. Saya minta Badan Pengawasan masuk. Artinya, ini kesalahan Soemino, Direktur Jenderal Perkeretaapian ketika itu? Kesalahan Soemino, sebelum surat saya turun, dia memerintahkan anak buahnya dengan bilang duluan bahwa Pak Menteri sudah setuju. Lalu, kalaupun Komisi Pemberantasan Korupsi bilang ada kerugian negara, itu karena biaya pengangkutan Jepang lebih mahal daripada biaya pengangkutan Djakarta Lloyd (perusahaan pengangkutan). Hibah ini lebih mahal ketimbang pembelian sebelumnya? Pada 2004, saat saya jadi menteri, enggak ada pembelian. Sebelum 2004, ada hibah kereta, tapi itu G to G. Kalau G to G, barangnya diantar ke pelabuhan sehingga biaya pengangkutannya lebih murah. Soal disposisi Bapak yang dianggap menyetujui Soemino? Disposisi saya selalu ke Sekjen. Saya setuju agar diproses sesuai dengan ketentuan yang ada. Tidak ada surat saya ke Soemino. Disposisi ini untuk Sekjen. Soemino mengatakan pernah Anda panggil, dan di ruang kerja Anda ada adik Anda, Achmad Hafisz Tohir; adik ipar SBY, Hartanto Edhie Wibowo; Bendahara PAN Jon Erizal; dan Dicky Tjokrosaputro? Enggak betul. Hafisz itu urusan telekomunikasi, enggak ada hubungannya. Bukan rekanan perhubungan, tak ada pekerjaan di perhubungan. Dia ke Jepang untuk urusan telekomunikasi. That's it. Karena dia adik saya, terus dikait-kaitkan. Pernah Soemino ke ruangan Anda sebelum ia ke Jepang? Enggak ada sama sekali. Soemino mengaku diperintah Bapak untuk survei ke Jepang Enggak betul. Wong Dirjen masak diperintah seperti itu. Enggak betul. Saya masih cukup waras untuk memerintahkan orang. Kalau soal Jon Erizal, Bendahara PAN? Enggak ada kaitannya. Sepanjang sepuluh tahun lebih jadi menteri, saya tak pernah men-touch hal-hal seperti itu. Itu prinsip saya. Insya Allah. Anda pernah ikut ke Jepang? Saya ke Jepang enggak ada urusannya dengan ini. Saya ke Jepang diutus Presiden untuk urusan mass rapid transportation yang dibatalkan Pak Jusuf Kalla, lalu diminta agar dihidupkan lagi?yang sampai sekarang enggak jalan-jalan juga. Waktu keberangkatannya pun berbeda. Soemino bilang penandatanganan kontrak dengan Sumitomo setelah ditelepon Hafisz dan kawan-kawan? Itu kan lucu sekali. Masak, Pak Mino sebagai seorang direktur jenderal diatur-atur seperti itu. Sangat enggak masuk akal. Bagaimana penunjukan Sumitomo sebagai rekanan? Itu proses di sana. Saya enggak ikut proses apa pun. Laporan Soemino ada bila menyangkut kewenangan saya. Tapi itu bukan kewenangan Dirjen, tapi Satuan Kerja. Saya enggak mau menuduh. Saya meyakini Pak Mino enggak main uang. Tapi prosedurnya dia salahi. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email |
[proletar] Re: Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned
Hehehehehe .si @dapurmu yg dilihat ga mau lihat selumbar didepan matanya. Biarawan ga mau potong syahwat dia ga kasih komen, meski terbukti pedofil, tuman. Abisnya Yesus KATEBE ga nyinggung yg kek ginian. @dapurmu dkk ga mau tahu kalau nikahkan gadis kecil ga ada lirangan di buku sucinya, Dia ga mau baca yg Deleware pernah punya AOC di uisa 7 tahun dan Yahudi 3 tahun. Malah ada pernah presiden USA merekomen warganya dinikahkan dini karena ya itu, ngikutin Bibel. Hehehe .. Juga Vatikan, 12 tahun. Hehehe ... Jadi kalau Syekh Pudji Kristen, aman dia. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe ulama Islam mau berjihad di jalan auloh ngelawan kebatilan berupa anti pedophilia krn anti pedophilia itu ngelawan hukum auloh dan sunnah nabi. Dgn kata lain, pedophilia itu emang merupakan hukum auloh dan sunnah nabi. Tp kalo gua yg ngomong begitu, maka gua dibilang ngefitnah dan tukang ngencukin anak sendiri, kalo ulama yg bilang gitu, maka gua lagi yg dituduh ngefitnah. Ini nunjukin Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned Surely, Islamic apologists in the West will get right on the line to this guy and explain that, no, Aisha was 16, 18, didn't know how old she was, was only nine in Galapagos tortoise-years, or whatever other excuse they might cook up. The problem? Islamic texts and traditions say otherwise, and Muslims follow them. Indeed, the heart of the problem is this: Muhammad did it. The example of Muhammad, a beautiful pattern of conduct according to Qur'an 33:21, cannot be set aside, or standards he set updated, lest one imply Muhammad made a mistake. That would not only insult Muhammad (things seem to become flammable when that happens) but go against the Qur'an's endorsement of him, and therefore Allah's. That is why child marriage persists in the Islamic world, from Nigeria to Yemen to Indonesia: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). -- Bukhari 7.62.88 Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad, from Weekly Blitz, April 20 (thanks to Weasel Zippers): Notorious pro-Taliban Islamist clergy in Bangladesh, Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini has threatened to wage jihad in the country if the government will pass any law banning child marriage. He said, two hundred thousand Jihadists of his group are ready to 'sacrifice' lives if any such law, which goes against Koran and Sunnah will be passed by the current government in the country. He says it: Mufti Amini said, Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, who also married minor Ayesha, when she was just eight years old. He said, The new law initiated by the current government will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge. Fazlul Haque Amini further said, Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women. It may be mentioned here that, current government in Bangladesh has taken several measures in ensuring better rights to the women thus treating child marriage as severe offense. It also recommends equal distribution of properties amongst male and female inherits. In contrary, Islamic Sharia law gives lesser rights to women as far as inheritance is concerned. It also allows men to marry any infant girl child. It may be mentioned here that, such law is prevalent in most of the Islamic republics, while in Iran, even forceful sexual relations with the married infant is allowed. A large segment of Muslim scholars and secularist individuals term this as mere perversion. But child marriage remains A-OK. In Bangladesh, especially in the rural areas, child marriage is very regular phenomenon, where hundreds of child mothers die due to lack of medical facilities as well as for pre-mature pregnancy. There are even cases of deaths of child wives being virtually raped by their husbands. Child marriage is prevalent in rural Bangladesh both amongst the Muslim and non-Muslim families. Several weeks back, Islamist clergy Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini and Moulana Rezaul Karim launched a movement of 'combating anti-Islam actions' by the government in Bangladesh. Since then, hundreds and thousands of followers of these fanatic leaders are active in various forms of demonstrations around the country. It is also reported in media that, minor boys in the Koranic Madrassas were forced join most of the anti-government demonstrations of these leaders. According to unofficial statistics, there are roughly 9 million students attending various madrassas in Bangladesh. Mutfti [sic] Fazlul Haque Amini is branded as a
[proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (1)
Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat. Greensburg Man Charged With Raping 5-Month-Old GREENSBURG, Pa. -- An 18-year-old Greensburg man has been charged with raping a baby who police said was left in his care. Police said Scott Wade Smith raped his girlfriend's 5-month-old girl Friday morning at a home in the 500 block of Highland Avenue, where several people, including the infant's mother, were living. .. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
65:4. Dan perempuan-perempuan yang tidak haid lagi (monopause) di antara perempuan-perempuanmu jika kamu ragu-ragu (tentang masa iddahnya), maka masa iddah mereka adalah tiga bulan; dan begitu (pula) perempuan-perempuan yang tidak haid. Dan perempuan-perempuan yang hamil, waktu iddah mereka itu ialah sampai mereka melahirkan kandungannya. Dan barang siapa yang bertakwa kepada Allah, niscaya Allah menjadikan baginya kemudahan dalam urusannya. Ayat 65:4 ini bilang bhw cewek yg ga haid itu punya masa iddah 3 bln. Buat yg ga tau, masa iddah itu adalah perioda dimana bini yg dicerai hrs nunggu sebelum bisa menikah lagi. Tapi kalo si bini belum pernah diembat, maka ga perlu nunggu masa iddah, bisa langsung kawin lagi. Artinya, semua cewek yg punya masa iddah itu sdh pernah diembat sebelumnya oleh lakinya. Tafsir bilang bhw, hehhe cewek yg belum mens itu jg termasuk yg dpt masa iddah di 65:4. Artinya, anak2 ingusan yg belum mens itu halal diembat. Tafsir al-Jalalayn And [as for] those of your women who (read allā’ī or allā’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months — both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter. Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well. Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahid (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) [65:4]. Said Muqatil: “When the verse (Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart…), Kallad ibn al-Nu‘man ibn Qays al-Ansari said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is the waiting period of the woman who does not menstruate and the woman who has not menstruated yet? And what is the waiting period of the pregnant woman?’ And so Allah, exalted is He, revealed this verse”. Abu Ishaq al-Muqri’ informed us Muhammad ibn ‘Abd Allah ibn Hamdun Makki ibn ‘Abdan Abu’l-Azhar Asbat ibn Muhammad Mutarrif Abu ‘Uthman ‘Amr ibn Salim who said: “When the waiting period for divorced and widowed women was mentioned in Surah al-Baqarah, Ubayy ibn Ka‘b said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, some women of Medina are saying: there are other women who have not been mentioned!’ He asked him: ‘And who are they?’ He said: ‘Those who are too young [such that they have not started menstruating yet], those who are too old [whose menstruation has stopped] and those who are pregnant’. And so this verse (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation…) was revealed”. Jadi, ga cuma Islam ngehalalin pedophilia yg bisa dilihat dr sunnah nabi ngembat anak 9 thn, tp Islam jg ngehalalin ngembat anak ingusan yg blm mens, bisa dilihat dr ayat 65:4 dan jg dr hadis2 yg nunjukin bhw Aisha itu belum dianggap dewasa waktu diembat, atau si Umar ngembat Umm Khultum yg cuma 4 atau 6 thn. Kalo Islam ga ngehalalin pedophilia, kenapa MUI bisa bilang si Syekh Puji itu ga salah nurut Islam? Kenapa negara syariat iblis Saudi atau Yemen ngehalalin ngembat anak ingusan 12 thn? Kenapa Iran bisa ngehalain ngembat anak ingusan 9 thn? Krn emang Islam ngehalalin pedophilia. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:21:53 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel memang kayak gini deh tipikal orang kristen tolol yang ngomong nggak berdasarkan bukti. udah jelas dia nggak punya bukti islam menghalalkan pedopil, tapi masih tetep aja melakukan fitnah dan pamer ketololannya sendiri tanpa malu-malu. gw udah bilang, nggak ada
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
Hehehe... kayaknya yg ngebela si Syekh Puji itu ulama2 Islam koq, mungkin duitnya dr zakat atau mungkin jg duit hasil korupsi atau duit dr malak tkw From: bangmos...@yahoo.com bangmos...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 9:31:30 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Ajaran yg mengajarkan pedhofil adalah ajaran sesat, apalagi sampai membela pelaku pedhofil hampir diseluruh negara dengan membayar penghacara2 hingga jutaan dolar pake duit perpuluhan umat .. Sesat bahkan menyesatkan. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: item abu item...@yahoo.com Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:34:11 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe ga ada orang Islam yg berani jawab apakah ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad apa bukan. Kenapa ga ada satu ekor jg yg berani jawab? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppeli...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 7:07:32 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Badut yang satu ini dia mengira yang dikunyah itu benar adanya? padahal salah,belajar dari orang yang mengetahui hal2 tsb,banyak disini bukan dari faithfreedom seperti unyahan anda itu,anda tidak lebih pandai dari saya kalau soal ke islaman,berapa tahun sudah belajar islam? ungkapan anda cuma embikan anak kambing bodoh mana bisa belajar sejarah dari buku2 yang tak pernah terbit,ocehan anda cuma untuk konsumen gereja tempat anda belajar anutan salah itu. --- On Wed, 4/20/11, item abu item...@yahoo.com wrote: From: item abu item...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 4:44 PM Hehehe terus aja muter2 lidah. Yg gua tanya itu adalah apakah ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad atau bukan, gua ga nanya apakah Islam itu ngelarang pedophilia apa kagak. Kenapa orang Islam ga berani jawab? Hehehe orangIslam itu emang pengecut koq, cuma bisa kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppeli...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 7:33:34 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Orang Islam lagi muter2 lidah spy ga usah ngejawab pertanyaan sederhana ini: apakah ajarn yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad apa bukan? =Jelas dilarang itu,nabi saya kawin terakhir dengan perempuan masih gadis umur nya 19/20 tahun apasalah nya?buat orang yang sering mengawini janda. Kenapa orang Islam ga berani jawab? Krn, hehehe mereka tahu bhw Islam itu ngehalalin pedophilia dan jg mraktekin pedophilia. =Ini cuma khayalan badut bodoh saja..belajar jadi pelajar. Dr ogahnya orang Islam ngejawab pertanyaan umum yg sederhana ini aja, udah terbukti kebejadan Islam yg ngehalalin pedophilia tsb. =Jangan ambil keputusan sebodoh itu,anda tidak faham dengan apa yang anda bahas,semua nya berlarut jadi badut bodoh sesungguh nya. --- On Tue, 4/19/11, item abu item...@yahoo.com wrote: From: item abu item...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 2:29 PM Orang Islam lagi muter2 lidah spy ga usah ngejawab pertanyaan sederhana ini: apakah ajarn yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad apa bukan? Kenapa orang Islam ga berani jawab? Krn, hehehe mereka tahu bhw Islam itu ngehalalin pedophilia dan jg mraktekin pedophilia. Dr ogahnya orang Islam ngejawab pertanyaan umum yg sederhana ini aja, udah terbukti kebejadan Islam yg ngehalalin pedophilia tsb. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 5:05:53 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel hehehe... si item muke kontol udah bingung nggak bisa kasih bukti. kalo lu punya otak udah jelas jawabannya kok. tinggal dibaca aja pake biji mata, jangan mbaca pake biji peler tem. kalo lu masih nggak jelas juga dan masih mau berdebat, silahkan aja. bring it on... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe ... gua cuma nanya di bawah itu apakah ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu bejad apa kagak, ngapain lu ngebacot nabi lu ngembat si aisha di umur sekian? Apa lu termasuk jg dr sekian ekor muslim yg ga berani jawab pertanyaan yg bersifat umum ini? From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 1:05:41 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel gw udah tulis berkali-kali tentang perkawinan nabi muhammad dan aisyah bahwa
[proletar] Field manual for despots
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/field-manual-for-despots/2011/04/21/AFe8TxKE_story.html?wpisrc=nl_opinions Field manual for despots By Eugene Robinson, Thursday, April 21, 8:00 PM If I were a Middle Eastern despot, I'd know how to handle the pro-democracy movement that threatens my rule: Crack down viciously, using deadly force against civilians, and make no meaningful concessions. The West will fulminate and posture but won't intervene decisively. I can survive. Syria's Bashar al-Assad, Yemen's Ali Abdullah Saleh, Bahrain's al-Khalifa royal family and others have surely been watching events in Libya and taking notes. The NATO-led attempt to dislodge Moammar Gaddafi is going nowhere fast. Bickering allied leaders have no stomach - or popular support at home - for warmaking of the kind that would be necessary to defeat Gaddafi's army and take Tripoli. The regime is bloodied but unbowed. ?Toles's take on the situation in Libya, Egypt and beyond. More on this Topic a.. Robinson: The limits of our power b.. Chertoff and Hayden: If Gaddafi falls... c.. Sewall and Zinni: Interventions we don't plan for d.. Ignatius: Drones in Libya are a bad idea One wonders why we bothered at all. Seriously, as the Libya operation is now being conducted, what's the point? The intervention surely saved many lives by halting Gaddafi's forces just hours before they would have swept into the rebel stronghold of Benghazi. But now the conflict has devolved into a bloody stalemate in which Gaddafi clearly has the upper hand. How many Libyan rebels and civilians will die in the coming weeks, months, perhaps years? When we look back at the eventual human toll, what will we have accomplished? President Obama made the intervention possible by giving his approval and committing U.S. assets. He declared that Gaddafi was no longer Libya's legitimate leader and that his ouster was the explicit goal of U.S. policy. It was tough talk - and it must have unnerved the other embattled autocrats of the Arab world. But it was also, in a sense, reckless talk. It was clear that Obama had no intention of plunging headlong into another war; he specified, from the beginning, that no U.S. ground forces would be deployed and that command of the operation would quickly be handed off to our European allies. But it was also clear to military analysts that air power alone could not vanquish Gaddafi's forces - and that NATO, without U.S. leadership, has never proved itself capable of organizing a three-car funeral. The rebel forces are brave but overmatched. European air power alone has proved inadequate to protect civilians in contested cities such as Misurata - where hospitals are filled with the wounded and the dying, and where acclaimed war photographers Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros were killed Wednesday, apparently by a rocket-propelled grenade fired by Gaddafi forces. On most days, the opposition is fighting desperately just to protect the territory it holds, not to seize more ground. Allied frustration is mounting. French, British and Italian leaders are taking the next step and dispatching military advisers to try to whip the rebel forces into fighting shape. The United States, after deciding to send uniforms, body armor and vehicles, announced on Thursday that it will use armed Predator drone aircraft in Libya. This is mission creep, all right - but only in the sense that the military mission, as authorized by the United Nations, is limited to the protection of civilians. The political mission, as laid out by Obama and his European counterparts, is regime change. The effort so far won't begin to close the wide gap between the allies' stated goal and the resources being deployed to achieve it. European officials have begun to grouse that the United States is not doing enough. Vice President Biden shot back, in an interview with the Financial Times, with a sharp rebuttal. If the Lord Almighty extricated the U.S. out of NATO and dropped it on the planet of Mars so we were no longer participating, Biden said, it is bizarre to suggest that NATO and the rest of the world lacks the capacity to deal with Libya - it does not. Occasionally other countries lack the will, but this is not about capacity. A telling blow against Gallic pride, perhaps, but not against Gaddafi's army. All this can only give hope and confidence to Syria's Assad and Yemen's Saleh as they dispatch troops and thugs to kill peaceful protesters. It can only bring contentment to the al-Khalifas of Bahrain, who know their deadly suppression of pro-democracy protests will be excused, and to the House of Saud, which should no longer feel pressure to deliver on the democratic reforms it has long promised. Realism in foreign policy is neither good nor bad. Ultimately, it is inevitable. The United States and its allies are not willing to seize control of events in Libya and the region. Unless this changes, it
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
Hehehe... apa di Alkitab tertulis si item abu ngencukin anak sendiri? Gua punya anak aja kagak, jadi gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri? Si rezameutia ini emang betul2 brulyan dlm nunjukin betapa bejad dirinya, udah ngefitnah secara ga tau malu, lalu ngaku ga pernah ngefitnah secara ga tau malu. Betul2 contoh yg baik dr orang islam yg soleh dan bertaqwa. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:28:39 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. gw nggak fitnah. itu ada tertulis di alkitab. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. makin keliatan kan, orang kristen bego kalo udah nggak bisa debat lagi langsung dah oot sambil ngacir terkaing-kaing dan langsung ngeloco untuk memuaskan diri sendiri. biasalah itu tipikal kristen bego. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... si anjing sipit lagi ngacir terkaing-kaing sambil menggonggong dan berdusta, persis seperti muridnya tuhan jesus yang ngacir terkaing-kaing dan berdusta ketika tuhan jesus disalib. hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. =Berapa tahun baca alkitab?berapa tahun memeluk agama kresten? apakah anda pendatang baru?apakah anda memang sejak dilahirkan sudah beragama kresten? Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. =Kenapa tidak?anda itu dari ocehan saja sudah tampak sebagai bajingan. atau anda sungguh2 adalah korban dari pedophile? rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah ngefitnah. =reza tukang fitnah?anda sunguhan cengeng rupanyamanja pula Ga masalah koq buat gua kalo orang2 Islam ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, ini justru ngebuktikan apa yg gua bilang bhw Islam itu emang agama yg benar bagi para bajingan keparat. =Oooh itu hanya khayalan anda sajaanda tidak mengikuti ajaran kasih dari jesus christus super star rupanya. Ngomong2, apa kira2 si habe akan kaing2 bhw si
[proletar] Re: Saya Masih Cukup Waras
Kelihatannya kamu waras namun ngeletus ulat sagu saja (ulatnya) kudu kamu bius total dulu. Kwkwkwk ... Kek ajaran si Pendusta, meski dustanya segudang masih nT anggap benar. nT dkk masih waras kan? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote: Refleksi : Apakah kewarasan Hatta Rajasa terganggu? Kalau hanya cukup waras berarti kewarasannya masih tidak spenuhnya sempurna! http://majalah.tempointeraktif.com//id/arsip/2011/04/18/LU/mbm.20110418.\ LU136485.id.html# a.. 18 April 2011 Hatta Rajasa: Saya Masih Cukup Waras DISERET ke pusaran perkara korupsi pengadaan kereta api bekas dari Jepang, Hatta Rajasa meradang. Menurut Menteri Koordinator Perekonomian ini, perkara itu tidak berkaitan dengan dia. Pada 2006, ketika pengadaan dijalankan, Hatta merupakan Menteri Perhubungan. Kepada Tempo, yang menemuinya Kamis malam pekan lalu di rumah dinas menteri, Hatta mengatakan justru menyetop proyek ketika mulai tercium ada kejanggalan. Saya minta diaudit, ujar Ketua Umum Partai Amanat Nasional ini. Bagaimana pengadaan kereta bekas dari Jepang dilakukan? Saya tak ikut sama sekali. Sampai kemudian ada permintaan Pak Soemino, 1 November 2006, untuk menunjuk langsung Sumitomo Corporation sebagai rekanan. Saya bilang ke Sekretaris Jenderal Departemen Perhubungan, menteri tak bisa menunjuk langsung. Saya minta ini ditelaah. Lalu? Pada 13 November, Sekjen menelaah. Kesimpulannya, menteri tidak bisa menunjuk langsung rekanan (Hatta menunjukkan surat). Di tengah jalan, Inspektorat Jenderal bilang pengangkutan kereta ini berbeda dengan hibah G to G. Perbedaan dalam proses pengangkutan mengakibatkan kemungkinan ada selisih biaya. Saya bilang stop proses ini. Panggil Badan Pengawasan Keuangan dan Pembangunan. Saya tidak tahu proses selanjutnya karena pada 2007 saya dipindahkan menjadi Menteri-Sekretaris Negara. Yang saya tahu, BPKP bilang ini enggak ada yang salah. Tapi ini bukan hibah, melainkan pembelian. Hibah kan harus lewat Badan Perencanaan Pembangunan Nasional Itulah kenapa saya stop. Saya minta ini diaudit semuanya. Saya minta Badan Pengawasan masuk. Artinya, ini kesalahan Soemino, Direktur Jenderal Perkeretaapian ketika itu? Kesalahan Soemino, sebelum surat saya turun, dia memerintahkan anak buahnya dengan bilang duluan bahwa Pak Menteri sudah setuju. Lalu, kalaupun Komisi Pemberantasan Korupsi bilang ada kerugian negara, itu karena biaya pengangkutan Jepang lebih mahal daripada biaya pengangkutan Djakarta Lloyd (perusahaan pengangkutan). Hibah ini lebih mahal ketimbang pembelian sebelumnya? Pada 2004, saat saya jadi menteri, enggak ada pembelian. Sebelum 2004, ada hibah kereta, tapi itu G to G. Kalau G to G, barangnya diantar ke pelabuhan sehingga biaya pengangkutannya lebih murah. Soal disposisi Bapak yang dianggap menyetujui Soemino? Disposisi saya selalu ke Sekjen. Saya setuju agar diproses sesuai dengan ketentuan yang ada. Tidak ada surat saya ke Soemino. Disposisi ini untuk Sekjen. Soemino mengatakan pernah Anda panggil, dan di ruang kerja Anda ada adik Anda, Achmad Hafisz Tohir; adik ipar SBY, Hartanto Edhie Wibowo; Bendahara PAN Jon Erizal; dan Dicky Tjokrosaputro? Enggak betul. Hafisz itu urusan telekomunikasi, enggak ada hubungannya. Bukan rekanan perhubungan, tak ada pekerjaan di perhubungan. Dia ke Jepang untuk urusan telekomunikasi. That's it. Karena dia adik saya, terus dikait-kaitkan. Pernah Soemino ke ruangan Anda sebelum ia ke Jepang? Enggak ada sama sekali. Soemino mengaku diperintah Bapak untuk survei ke Jepang Enggak betul. Wong Dirjen masak diperintah seperti itu. Enggak betul. Saya masih cukup waras untuk memerintahkan orang. Kalau soal Jon Erizal, Bendahara PAN? Enggak ada kaitannya. Sepanjang sepuluh tahun lebih jadi menteri, saya tak pernah men-touch hal-hal seperti itu. Itu prinsip saya. Insya Allah. Anda pernah ikut ke Jepang? Saya ke Jepang enggak ada urusannya dengan ini. Saya ke Jepang diutus Presiden untuk urusan mass rapid transportation yang dibatalkan Pak Jusuf Kalla, lalu diminta agar dihidupkan lagi?yang sampai sekarang enggak jalan-jalan juga. Waktu keberangkatannya pun berbeda. Soemino bilang penandatanganan kontrak dengan Sumitomo setelah ditelepon Hafisz dan kawan-kawan? Itu kan lucu sekali. Masak, Pak Mino sebagai seorang direktur jenderal diatur-atur seperti itu. Sangat enggak masuk akal. Bagaimana penunjukan Sumitomo sebagai rekanan? Itu proses di sana. Saya enggak ikut proses apa pun. Laporan Soemino ada bila menyangkut kewenangan saya. Tapi itu bukan kewenangan Dirjen, tapi Satuan Kerja. Saya enggak mau menuduh. Saya meyakini Pak Mino enggak main uang. Tapi prosedurnya dia salahi. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe :
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
Hehehe... udah tukang fitnah ga tau malu yg jg ngaku ga pernah ngefitnah, sekarang si rezameutia ini nunjukin betapa tololnya dirinya itu. Di bawah itu gua ga bilang si hasan basri, ayub_yahya atau suryana ngefitnah gua, di bawah itu gua cuma bilang bhw si hasan basri dan ayub_yahya itu doyan ngeloco rame2, dan suryana itu ga jauh levelnya dgn hasan basri. Jadi gua ga akan heran kalo ternyata mereka ikutan ngefitnah krn mereka doyan ngeloco rame2. Bentar lagi kan gerombolan Islam plus plus akan mulai ngeloco rame2 sampe bener2 puas deh kayak si ayub_yahya yg bisa teriak2 saking nikmatnya. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:42:49 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel si anjing sipit udah kalap, semua orang dibawa-bawa, katanya rame2 ngefitnah dia. menyedihkan... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe apa ayub_yahya dan hasan basri akan ngikutin jejak rezameutia ngefitnah gua? Ga aneh koq kalo mereka jg ikutan rame2 ngefitnah, maklum aja, ayub_yahya dan hasan basri itu doyan ngeloco rame2. Kalo perlu, sekalian suryana jg, krn suryana itu ga jauh ketinggalan koq dibandingkan hasan basri. From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:33:07 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel hehehe..., si item muke kontol kebingungan dikasih tahu alkitab isinya nggak ada bedanya dengan buku porno. lalu, mewek2 ke semua orang mengatakan gw menyebar fitnah. saking tolol dan nggak tau malunya si item muke kontol, dia neymbah2 ke habe dan suryana supaya ikutan ngomong urusan gw dengan dia. kemaren, dia mendoakan keluarga suryana kena musibah, sekarang dia nyembah2 suryana supaya ikutan ngomong. ya tolol... orang kristen kayak si item muke kontol yang mengikuti perintah alkitab untuk ngncuk anak sendiri sampe buntibf, ngencuk bini orang sampe bunting, sudah tentu tolol dan dungu. tem, lu udah piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu elu, seperti kelakuan tuhan jesus? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah ngefitnah. Ga masalah koq buat gua kalo orang2 Islam ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, ini justru ngebuktikan apa yg gua bilang bhw Islam itu emang agama yg benar bagi para bajingan keparat. Ngomong2, apa kira2 si habe akan kaing2 bhw si rezameutia ini ngefitnah sbg reaksi atas apa yg gua bilang di milis ini? Bisa jadi, lalu berikutanya mungkin si habe jg akan ikutan ngefitnah tanpa malu2, heheh... Lalu suryana mungkin jg akan ikut maki2 ga keruan, hehehe. From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 9:54:30 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel hehehe..., kan emang sudah terbukti bahwa lu adalah kristen yang taat. sebagai kristen yang taat lu ikutin perintah alkitab, ngencuk anak sendiri, ngencuk bini tetangga, dan tentunya lu juga piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu lu, seperti layaknya tuhan jesus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe ga ada urusan Alkitab ngajarin apa dgn apa yg gua perbuat. Emangnya, kapan gua pernah bilang bhw gua nurutin semua yg ada di Alkitab? Yg lu fitnah adalah gua, bukan ALkitab. Lu bilang gua ngencukin anak sendiri. Buktikan deh ocehan lu ini, kan lu udah jilat pantat besar2an dgn bilang ga pernah ngefitnah. From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 8:58:10 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel lha.., itu memang diajarkan di alkitab kan? elu sebagai kristen yang taat tentunya melakukan perintah alkitab, ngencuk anak sendiri sampe bunting dan ngencuk istri tetangga sampe bunting. begitu kan sesuai perintah di alkitab?? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Apa bukannya lu pernah ngefitnah gua ngencukin anak sendiri? Tp
[proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2)
Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat. Primary teacher charged with child rape Robert Stringer, 56, of Hertfordshire, will appear at Uxbridge Magistrates Court. The drama and class teacher was sacked earlier this year from Canonbury Primary School in Islington, north London, whose pupils include one of London Mayor Boris Johnson's children and a child of Transport Minister Lord Adonis. Stringer was sacked after it emerged he was being investigated for showing the film Shakespeare in Love, including sex scenes, to children at another school. The school's headteacher Jay Henderson was sacked this month after being caught watching pornography on the internet at work. The majority of governors at the school resigned earlier this year after claims that teachers were not properly vetted. An inquiry is under way. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned
Hehehe ... ngapain barang basi dikeluarin lagi? Tuh, ulama Bangladesh mau berjihad di jalan auloh ngebela pedophilia saat ini. Betul2 Islam itu ajaran yg benar unt pedophile, bukan? From: ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 5:15:38 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned Hehehehehe .si @dapurmu yg dilihat ga mau lihat selumbar didepan matanya. Biarawan ga mau potong syahwat dia ga kasih komen, meski terbukti pedofil, tuman. Abisnya Yesus KATEBE ga nyinggung yg kek ginian. @dapurmu dkk ga mau tahu kalau nikahkan gadis kecil ga ada lirangan di buku sucinya, Dia ga mau baca yg Deleware pernah punya AOC di uisa 7 tahun dan Yahudi 3 tahun. Malah ada pernah presiden USA merekomen warganya dinikahkan dini karena ya itu, ngikutin Bibel. Hehehe .. Juga Vatikan, 12 tahun. Hehehe ... Jadi kalau Syekh Pudji Kristen, aman dia. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe ulama Islam mau berjihad di jalan auloh ngelawan kebatilan berupa anti pedophilia krn anti pedophilia itu ngelawan hukum auloh dan sunnah nabi. Dgn kata lain, pedophilia itu emang merupakan hukum auloh dan sunnah nabi. Tp kalo gua yg ngomong begitu, maka gua dibilang ngefitnah dan tukang ngencukin anak sendiri, kalo ulama yg bilang gitu, maka gua lagi yg dituduh ngefitnah. Ini nunjukin Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned Surely, Islamic apologists in the West will get right on the line to this guy and explain that, no, Aisha was 16, 18, didn't know how old she was, was only nine in Galapagos tortoise-years, or whatever other excuse they might cook up. The problem? Islamic texts and traditions say otherwise, and Muslims follow them. Indeed, the heart of the problem is this: Muhammad did it. The example of Muhammad, a beautiful pattern of conduct according to Qur'an 33:21, cannot be set aside, or standards he set updated, lest one imply Muhammad made a mistake. That would not only insult Muhammad (things seem to become flammable when that happens) but go against the Qur'an's endorsement of him, and therefore Allah's. That is why child marriage persists in the Islamic world, from Nigeria to Yemen to Indonesia: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). -- Bukhari 7.62.88 Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad, from Weekly Blitz, April 20 (thanks to Weasel Zippers): Notorious pro-Taliban Islamist clergy in Bangladesh, Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini has threatened to wage jihad in the country if the government will pass any law banning child marriage. He said, two hundred thousand Jihadists of his group are ready to 'sacrifice' lives if any such law, which goes against Koran and Sunnah will be passed by the current government in the country. He says it: Mufti Amini said, Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, who also married minor Ayesha, when she was just eight years old. He said, The new law initiated by the current government will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge. Fazlul Haque Amini further said, Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women. It may be mentioned here that, current government in Bangladesh has taken several measures in ensuring better rights to the women thus treating child marriage as severe offense. It also recommends equal distribution of properties amongst male and female inherits. In contrary, Islamic Sharia law gives lesser rights to women as far as inheritance is concerned. It also allows men to marry any infant girl child. It may be mentioned here that, such law is prevalent in most of the Islamic republics, while in Iran, even forceful sexual relations with the married infant is allowed. A large segment of Muslim scholars and secularist individuals term this as mere perversion. But child marriage remains A-OK. In Bangladesh, especially in the rural areas, child marriage is very regular phenomenon, where hundreds of child mothers die due to lack of medical facilities as well as for pre-mature pregnancy. There are even cases of deaths of child wives being virtually raped by their husbands. Child marriage is prevalent in rural Bangladesh both amongst the Muslim and non-Muslim families. Several weeks back, Islamist clergy Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini and Moulana Rezaul Karim launched a movement of 'combating anti-Islam actions' by the government in Bangladesh. Since then, hundreds and thousands of
Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (1)
Jadi artinya si ndeboost ini bilang negara Islam itu negara terbelakang, krn bukan negara mayoritas Chrosstian, hehehe... From: ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 5:29:23 PM Subject: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (1) Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat. Greensburg Man Charged With Raping 5-Month-Old GREENSBURG, Pa. -- An 18-year-old Greensburg man has been charged with raping a baby who police said was left in his care. Police said Scott Wade Smith raped his girlfriend's 5-month-old girl Friday morning at a home in the 500 block of Highland Avenue, where several people, including the infant's mother, were living. .. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2)
Hehehe... kalo di negara non Islam pedophile itu dihukum, di negara Islam ulamanya justru berjihad ngebela pedophilia. From: ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 5:53:51 PM Subject: [proletar] Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat. Primary teacher charged with child rape Robert Stringer, 56, of Hertfordshire, will appear at Uxbridge Magistrates Court. The drama and class teacher was sacked earlier this year from Canonbury Primary School in Islington, north London, whose pupils include one of London Mayor Boris Johnson's children and a child of Transport Minister Lord Adonis. Stringer was sacked after it emerged he was being investigated for showing the film Shakespeare in Love, including sex scenes, to children at another school. The school's headteacher Jay Henderson was sacked this month after being caught watching pornography on the internet at work. The majority of governors at the school resigned earlier this year after claims that teachers were not properly vetted. An inquiry is under way. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang
Hehehe... apa ngulang omongan lu ini berarti ngerengek2 nangis ke Jusfiq? Berarti, lu ngerengek2 nangis ke Jusfiq, hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 4:00:41 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang lagi merengek-rengek menangis ngadu ama gurunya, supaya sekalian bisa ngeloco bareng. hehehe --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hebatnya, si rezameutia ini dgn gagahnya bilang dia ga pernah ngefitnah. From: Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:31:47 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang dungu, buas, kejam, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab... Karena dia tidak bisa membantah omongan orang kafir yang bilang bahwa ajaran agamanya itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab dan hanya berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitf, maka sejak bertahun-tahun kerjanya di mailing list ini terutama menyebar fitnah dan dusta serta pamer fikiran busuknya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. =Berapa tahun baca alkitab?berapa tahun memeluk agama kresten? apakah anda pendatang baru?apakah anda memang sejak dilahirkan sudah beragama kresten? Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. =Kenapa tidak?anda itu dari ocehan saja sudah tampak sebagai bajingan. atau anda sungguh2 adalah korban dari pedophile? rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah
[proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (2) '(ndeboost masih kaing-kaing...)
ndeboost yang dungu kayak anjing itu masih kaing-kaing... Setelah terkapar dihadapan kenyataan pahit lagi menyilaukan yang disampaikan oleh orang kafir seperti great pretender dan 'sebuah kenyataan: buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang dijadikannnya sebagai kitab suci terbukti TIDAK berisi wahyu Allah. Artinya, ajaran agama taik anjing yang dianutnya itu cuma berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitif. Lalu dia kaing-kaing nyampein berita tentang pelanggaran yang dilakukan orang dinegeri kafir, saat orang berbunuhan di negeri yang dipimpin oleh orang Islam seperti Syria, Yemen dll. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ndeboost rambitesemak@... wrote: Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat. Primary teacher charged with child rape Robert Stringer, 56, of Hertfordshire, will appear at Uxbridge Magistrates Court. The drama and class teacher was sacked earlier this year from Canonbury Primary School in Islington, north London, whose pupils include one of London Mayor Boris Johnson's children and a child of Transport Minister Lord Adonis. Stringer was sacked after it emerged he was being investigated for showing the film Shakespeare in Love, including sex scenes, to children at another school. The school's headteacher Jay Henderson was sacked this month after being caught watching pornography on the internet at work. The majority of governors at the school resigned earlier this year after claims that teachers were not properly vetted. An inquiry is under way. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Penganut Ajaran Setan (1)
ndeboost yang dungu kayak anjing itu masih kaing-kaing... Setelah terkapar dihadapan kenyataan pahit lagi menyilaukan yang disampaikan oleh orang kafir seperti great pretender dan 'sebuah kenyataan: buku taik anjing al-Mushaf yang dijadikannnya sebagai kitab suci terbukti TIDAK berisi wahyu Allah. Artinya, ajaran agama taik anjing yang dianutnya itu cuma berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitif. Lalu dia kaing-kaing nyampein berita tentang kejahatan yang dilakukan orang di negeri kafir, saat orang berbunuhan di negeri yang dipimpin oleh orang Islam seperti Syria, Yemen dll. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ndeboost rambitesemak@... wrote: Ga perlu diketahui, yg kelakuan gini Kristen apa bukan, w/n negara maju apa bukan. Tapi pelakunya jelas w/n penduduk negara mayoritas Crosstian Pauline, negara maju. Entah hitam, putih atau lainnya. Namun kelakuannya iblis, setan laknat. Greensburg Man Charged With Raping 5-Month-Old GREENSBURG, Pa. -- An 18-year-old Greensburg man has been charged with raping a baby who police said was left in his care. Police said Scott Wade Smith raped his girlfriend's 5-month-old girl Friday morning at a home in the 500 block of Highland Avenue, where several people, including the infant's mother, were living. .. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Seorang TKI di Yordania Disiksa Hingga Buta
Refleksi : Adakah yang peduli dengan situasi pahlawan devisa? http://us.detiknews.com/read/2011/04/16/062938/1618663/10/seorang-tki-di-yordania-disiksa-hingga-buta Sabtu, 16/04/2011 06:29 WIB Seorang TKI di Yordania Disiksa Hingga Buta Ramadhian Fadillah - detikNews elarablyawm.net Jakarta - Seorang TKI bernama Nurul Ahmad Lukman disiksa majikannya hingga buta sebelah. TKI malang ini juga tidak menerima gajinya selama 3 tahun. Kisah soal Nurul ramai diberitakan di Surat Kabar Yordania. Salah satunya adalah elarablyawm, harian berbahasa Arab di Yordania. Demikian disampaikan seorang mahasiswa Indonesia yang berdomisili di Yordania, Muhammad Jalil, kepada detikcom, Kamis (16/4/2011). Situs elarablyawm.net menulis Nurul, berhasil keluar dari cengkraman majikan yang kerap menyiksanya. Dia melarikan diri ke KBRI, Rabu (14/4). Nurul sudah berkerja dengan majikannya selama 4 tahun. Sejak 18 bulan terakhir, dia menjadi sasaran penyiksaan majikannya. Penyebabnya sepele, hanya karena memecahkan piring. Gadis berusia 25 tahun ini diperlakukan seperti binatang. Kakinya dirantai jika tidak berkerja dan kembali dilepas apabila ada kerjaan. Dia bekerja dari jam 6 pagi sampai jam 12 malam tanpa ada hari libur. Dia kerap disiksa dengan tongkat besi, pisau dan martil bahkan disiram air mendidih, yang membuat sekujur tubuhnya penuh dengan darah dan luka-luka serta harus kehilangan fungsi mata sebelah kanannya, demikian ditulis elarablyawm.net. Dalam kontrak, Nurul dijanjikan akan dibayar 100 US$ setiap bulannya. Namun sudah tiga tahun terakhir, dia tidak menerima gajinya. Selama bekerja, Nurul selalu hidup dalam ketakutan. Dia pun putus kontak dengan keluarganya di tanah air. Akhirnya, karena tidak tahan, Nurul yang terluka berhasil melarikan diri ke KBRI. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Outrageous verdict
http://arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article369994.ece Editorial Apr 22, 2011 22:19 Outrageous verdict The acquittal in the Mukhtaran Mai case is a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system The acquittal by Pakistan's Supreme Court of five of the six men charged with raping a girl because her 12-year-old brother had been seeing a girl from their family, has been greeted with outrage around the world. This, however, should not be seen as a new cause for the international women's liberation movement but as a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system. The conviction of one man who took part in the gang-rape was upheld by Pakistan's highest court, but the other five men walked free for, according to the court, lack of evidence. The convicted man saw his death sentence commuted to life imprisonment. There are three important lessons for Pakistan arising from this sordid and deplorable crime. The first is that such punishments are not uncommon in a country where family honor is often paramount. It seems clear that as a result of the friendship between a young boy and a girl from another clan, the elders of that clan decreed the family of the other should be humiliated. It is important to realize this was not just a rape crime. All too often in similar circumstances the victim, weighed down by the shame of what has happened to her, has taken her own life. Therefore ultimately this was a crime of attempted murder. No civilized society should be prepared to tolerate such behavior. The second lesson has been taught by the victim herself, Mukhtaran Mai, an illiterate peasant girl, who instead of taking her own life in the face of her enforced dishonor, bravely chose to take on her rapists and in doing so, the entire Pakistani police and judicial system. She and her family are still being threatened with murder. She still maintains the police never took her statement properly and failed to investigate the crime in an efficient and timely manner. Hence, she says, it could be claimed there was a lack of evidence against all but one of her attackers, even though she was able to identify a number of them. The courts in which she pursued the men who had violated her, also displayed a distinct lack of interest in her evidence, preferring to accept the police claims rather than challenging law officers to demonstrate the effectiveness of their investigation. This is not, however, the disaster that outsiders are claiming it to be. There can be no doubt Pakistan has been shocked by the case. For the majority there is a sense of shame that such violent and degrading behavior can ever take place and frustration that both police and courts have been so slow and reluctant to move against it. Remember this is a crime which took place fully nine years ago. The impact of the case on the authorities is likely to bring about a sea change in official attitudes. Next time that such a heinous crime is brought to the attention of the police, it must be hoped that it will not just be the rapists who are charged, but also the elders who ordered the depraved crime. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Runaway maids eating into family budgets
Refleksi : Kalau mereka diperlakukan manusiawi tentu tidak akan lari. http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article369924.ece Runaway maids eating into family budgets By RIMA AL-MUKHTAR | ARAB NEWS Published: Apr 22, 2011 22:15 Updated: Apr 22, 2011 22:15 JEDDAH: There are many reports of housemaids being abused or beaten, and occasionally even murdered. However, there is another side to the story. The large number of housemaids running away from their employers is causing untold problems, including social embarrassments and additional financial burdens for many Saudi families. It costs a lot to recruit a housemaid, with fees that go up to SR15,000. This includes recruitment fees, plane ticket and visa, said Abu Faisal, a recruitment office manager in Jeddah. If the maid runs away, the employer loses all the money he spent hiring her. Maids run away for several reasons, but they are mostly greedy and search for jobs in other households to make more money, according to Abu Faisal. Many maids run away from their sponsors as soon as they land in the Kingdom, knowing that they will find a job no matter what, for people are always looking for maids, he said. They know this and plan to run away before even arriving here. Sometimes they arrange it with their friends to guarantee them a better salary, he added. They just need someone to recruit them and pay for their visa and ticket, and once they are here they start looking for jobs with better wages, said Abu Faisal. Runaway maids accuse their previous employers of abuse and mistreatment. My Indonesian maid once told me that her friend was looking for work. I asked her to bring her by so that I could hire her to work for me. Once she came I asked about her previous job and why she left, and that's when she said that her sponsor used to deprive her of food and did not pay her for her work, said Moneera Al-Qahtani, housewife and mother. When she told me the name of her sponsor I knew she was lying, because it turned out to be my cousin, and later I found out that she worked for him for only two days before she ran away, Al-Qahtani added. Frustrated employers are no longer recruiting from outside the Kingdom, but look for help from within. I will no longer pay so much money, knowing that my maid might run away and cost me even more. For years now I have been asking my friends and family to bring me maids. I don't care if they are illegal or don't have iqama, I only care that my house is clean and my maid does not cost me more than SR1,000 a month, said Nahed Ibraheem, a working woman. I have bad experiences with maids running away even if they are treated like my own daughters. I don't know why they have the urge to leave suddenly, even when I tell them that I would never hold them if they wanted to go. They just have to tell me in advance so I can arrange for another one, she added. At least some employers see maids as a threat to their safety and private life. Everyone in the Kingdom looks at us as if we are spoiled and vulgar, for they think our maids are running away because we abuse them and do not provide them with food. They don't want to admit that we are the people who are suffering, because we are letting complete strangers inside our houses to look into our drawers, said Kholoud Badr, a high school teacher. After years I found out that my maid was a part time prostitute, offering her services to drivers in our neighborhood. This freaked me out because I have two young daughters, and it's not safe for them to stay at home alone. My question is this: How can you make sure that your maid is not a psychopath or a murderer? We don't think about these things; we only care about the service, she added. Police only arrest maids who are accused of a crime, not runaways, said First Lt. Nawaf Al-Bouq, spokesman for Jeddah police. According to the regulations, policemen are not allowed to get involved in the search of maids who run away from their sponsors. We only interfere when the employer accuses his maid of robbery or any criminal act, he said. We then liaise with the Passport Department to join forces and search for the suspect. All attempts to get a response from the Passport Department failed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from
[proletar] BBC: Syria protests: Security forces 'fire on mourners'
23 April 2011 Last updated at 13:11 GMT Syria protests: Security forces 'fire on mourners' A man said to have been injured at a protest in the Syrian city of Homs on 22 April is helped by others (still image from unverified amateur video) Scores of people are said to have been hit by gunfire at protests on Friday Security forces in Syria have shot dead at least six people at funerals for anti-government protesters killed on Friday, reports say. They opened fire on mourners gathering in a suburb of the capital Damascus and near the southern village of Ezra, witnesses said. At least 72 people reportedly died on Friday, the bloodiest day in some five weeks of unrest. Two Syrian MPs have resigned in protest at the violence. After I have failed to protect my sons from the treacherous shots there is no point in me staying in parliament, one of the MPs, Naser al-Hariri, told al-Jazeera TV. I announce now that I am stepping down. Friday's bloodshed, which came a day after President Bashar al-Assad scrapped decades of emergency rule, drew strong international condemnation. Syria's state news agency has reported a limited number of protests in some provinces and described the violence as the work of armed criminal gangs. With foreign journalists unable to get into Syria, accounts of casualties - carried by eyewitnesses, opposition activists and human rights groups - cannot be verified independently. The BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones in Beirut says it appears that the government has made a deliberate decision to use live ammunition, to clear the streets and to impose order. With many people in Syria now openly calling for an end to President Assad's rule, he says the government realises its survival is at stake and it is fighting hard. 'Heavy volley' Tens of thousands of mourners were said to be attending Saturday's funerals. Security forces reportedly fired on mourners travelling to funerals in Ezra in an effort to prevent them from attending. There was heavy volley of gunfire in our direction as we approached Ezra to join the funerals of martyrs, one witness said. More than 150 buses had left the flash-point southern town of Deraa to attend funerals for 18 victims in Ezra and other villages, AFP news agency reports. In the Damascus suburb of Douma, snipers reportedly shot dead at least three people, and there are reports of a fatal shooting in another part of the capital, Barzeh, where clerics used mosque loudspeakers to appeal for doctors to help the wounded. Funerals were also expected in the Damascus neighbourhood of Midan and in Harasta, north of the capital. Human rights groups and activists gave death tolls for Friday ranging from 72 to more than 90, and one group said the death toll could reach 100. Many of the deaths were reported to have occurred in Ezra and Douma as well as the central city of Homs. Amnesty International says two boys aged seven and 10 were among those killed in Ezra. Call for investigation US President Barack Obama joined a chorus of international condemnation. This outrageous use of violence to quell protests must come to an end now, he said of Friday's clashes. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called for an independent investigation into the killings, while France said it was extremely concerned and condemned the violence. Light should be shed on these crimes and those responsible must be identified, arrested and brought to justice, foreign ministry deputy spokeswoman Christine Fages said. The official Syrian news agency said security forces had used only tear gas and water cannon to prevent clashes on Friday. It said the army had found digital cameras containing short, fabricated videos depicting fake repression, and that armed gangs were carrying bottles of blood to be used in making fake films. Are you in Syria? Send us your comments using the form below: Send your pictures and videos to yourp...@bbc.co.uk or text them to 61124 (UK) or +44 7725 100 100 (International). If you have a large file you can upload here. Read the terms and conditions Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Mahram law heaps frustration on women
Refl: Apakah dahulu kala banyak penyamun maka ditetapkan sebagai peraturan agama bagi wanita yang berpergian wanita harus dikawal oleh muharam? Ada yang punya pendapat lain? http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article370031.ece Mahram law heaps frustration on women By MARIAM NIHAL | ARAB NEWS Published: Apr 22, 2011 23:35 Updated: Apr 22, 2011 23:35 JEDDAH: Saudi and foreign women in the Kingdom who wish to travel abroad often feel the heat of severe traveling regulations. Saudi laws dictate that women cannot travel without their mahram's (male guardian) permission and in some cases can only tour with them. GCC countries have different laws for Saudi women who can travel within the GCC without visa formalities or paperwork. However non-Saudi women are further restricted by what they deem as the mahram commandment. Women have expressed major concern and empathy for those who cannot travel due to these stringent laws or because their mahram is not able to accommodate their travel plans. Maya Hussein, a Canadian living in Jeddah, traveled to Abu Dhabi for work purposes, hoping to claim her visa upon arrival. However, she was given a choice between spending a night in prison or returning to Jeddah on the same flight. They said laws changed for Canadians. You do not need a visa if you are American or British. So basically the same rules apply to me as they do to expatriates living in Saudi Arabia. Unless my father travels with me, I cannot travel alone, she said. They said certain professions are allowed like engineers or businessmen. There are so many contradictions. It is either about the mahram rule, nationality bias or they are too confused within the framework of their contingency laws. It was the worst trip back home. Another Indian expatriate living in the Kingdom, 23-year-old Malaika Raza, expressed her anger to Arab News over her failed attempts to travel. An official at the UAE embassy in Jeddah told me my father needs to have a particular profession to enter Dubai in order to be able to accompany me. Does that mean my father should quit his job to accompany me? she said. The other rule is that a Dubai resident has to send me an invitation. I wanted to go and explore the city, so they are saying if I do not know anyone, I should not be allowed to go. I want to understand their unfounded logic. The trouble is there is no logic. Sameer Mahmoud, a 34-year-old Saudi, thinks the rules are fine and in accordance with the law of the system. I will not allow my wife or daughter to travel abroad alone. Even if my daughter wants to study, I will send my son along. When asked what he would have done if he did not have a son to accompany her, he replied, Then she could study here. My point is women need to be protected. We just want to be sure of their safety. I do not know what can happen out there and I do not want to risk her safety. Personally I want to take responsibility for them. If they really want to travel, I will take them. But it is a law and you must adhere to it. Tanya Benghazi, a 23-year-old Jordanian living in Jeddah, feels distraught due to the traveling laws. She feels a legal age for adults should be set that permits and allows women to travel irrespective of nationality and occupation status. It is really subjective and disturbing. Why are people turning a blind eye to these racist laws when it is unmistakable discrimination? You can enter the UAE if you are an engineer. I wonder why the labor class is not qualified to visit their country. Women are facing a greater predicament. I think a 30-year-old woman is more responsible than a young amateur who has the freedom to travel and live his life. But if he has the freedom, then everyone deserves a fair chance. Noura Saeed, a 27-year-old Saudi, told Arab News, I seriously think I should get married just for the sake of getting out of here. I want to travel. I am not asking for something immoral or unrealistic. For a moment I wish a higher authority pondered over this issue. Don't men want to empower women, their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters? Give us freedom of movement. It is just, moral and our right. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com
[proletar] pertanyaan krusial dan statemen richard dawkins...
Pertanyaan krusial: Mengapa ada politik, mengapa ada budaya, mengapa ada agama, mengapa dunia manusia carut marut? Perspektive agama bakalan menganggap kejahatan itu tabu,dosa, dikutuk alloh, agama nggak bakalan bisa dijadikan world view yang realistis... jawaban yg realitis thd carut marutnya dunia akan lebih anda dapatkan dari statemen richard dawkins berikut... --- Individuals are not stable things, they are fleeting. Chromosomes too are shuffled to oblivion, like hands of cards soon after they are dealt. But the cards themselves survive the shuffling. The cards are the genes. The genes are not destroyed by crossing-over; they merely change partners and march on. Of course they march on. That is their business They are the replicators and we are their survival machines. When we have served our purpose we are cast aside. But genes are denizens of geological time: genes are forever. (The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: copy paste pemikiran...
Huss jangan menghina, jq suka membaca buku komik put on, makanya jadi punya kebiasaan mengulang ngulang tulisannya, dan tidak lupa baca komik rin tin tin dan yang di idola kan si nahkoda nya jadi ajah bisa nya memaki makiselain itu dia mah gak pernah baca lagi, sur. - Original Message - From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com bagaimana kalo nggak pernah baca buku, seperti jusfiq? nggak punya pemikiran dong?? :) --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: Pemikiranmu sesungguhnya adalah copy paste... apabila kamu membaca buku2 arab, maka pemikiranmu seperti arabian... apabila kamu membaca buku2 asia tengah, maka pemikiranmu juga mirip asia tengah... Apabila kamu membaca karya orang-orang besar dan terkenal, maka pemikiranmu juga akan seperti mereka... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Ada yang ingat lagu sunda dibawah ini ? ( kang Abbas )
Ada yang ingat Lagu ini ?, ditahun 70 an suka dinyanyiin anak sd dan smp asoy pisan, sekarang ada penerusnya gak yah ? http://youtu.be/FyktsGId8rA. sur. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: Rights groups slam Bahraini crackdown
Middle East Rights groups slam Bahraini crackdown Bahrain denies claims by international NGOs that it has been targeting medical facilities and torturing activists. Last Modified: 23 Apr 2011 08:28 Rights groups say that both sides have violated the 'medical neutrality' of the Salmaniya hospital in Manama [Reuters] Rights organisations are calling on the Bahraini government to halt what they term human rights violations and to stop a crackdown on hospitals where doctors and patients suspected of being sympathetic to pro-democracy protests have been arrested. In separate statements on Friday, Medicins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders), Amnesty International and Physicians for Human Rights slammed the government's attacks on medical staff. London-based Amnesty urged the international community to step in to stop the crackdown, or risk being accused of having double standards. North American and European governments, so vocal recently in espousing the cause of human rights in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt, need also to speak out loudly about what is going on in Bahrain, said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International's director for the Middle East and North Africa. To avoid the charge of double standards, they must be much more robust in pressing the Bahraini authorities to uphold their international human rights obligations. In a statement on Friday, Huda Nunu, Bahrain's ambassador to the US, denied the allegations. Nunu said that the kingdom had not targeted or attacked doctors and patients and that the medical establishments in Bahrain were operating normally. 'Cleverly planned' In a new report, Amnesty accuses the Bahraini government of launching a cleverly planned and orchestrated crackdown using excessive force to suppress protests calling for political change and reform. Amnesty says that security forces' use of shotguns, rubber bullets and tear gas, as well as live ammunition in some cases, was unjustified. It said that more than 500 people have been arrested in the last month in the tiny Gulf island country, which has seen a series of protests against the current monarchy-led government since February 14. At least four detainees have died while in custody under suspicious circumstances, Amnesty says. Click here for more of Al Jazeera's special coverage The group points out that many of those arrested are doctors and nurses at the capital Manama's main Salmaniya Medical Complex. Meanwhile, Paris-based Medecins Sans Frontieres said on Friday that the Bahraini government had turned hospitals into places to be feared. Wounds are used to identify demonstrators, restricted access to health care is being used to deter people from protesting, and those who dare to seek treatment in health facilities are being arrested, Latifa Ayada, an MSF medical co-ordinator, said. Health facilities are used as bait to identify and arrest those who dare seek treatment. The group said in a statement said during a visit to the Salmaniya hospital it appeared virtually empty. It said that injured people had told MSF staff that the military had beaten them, including on their wounds, while others said patients were being arrested inside health facilities if it became apparent that they were injured during the pro-democracy protests. 'Medical neutrality' violated MSF said that the use of the hospital as a site for demonstrations against the government, which had prompted an occupation by the Bahraini military to clear them out, had undermined the ability of health facilities to provide impartial medical care. Amnesty also accused both sides of violating the hospital's medical neutrality during the protests. The police, military and intelligence services must stop using the health system as a way to crack down on the protesters, MSF said in a statement. Physicians for Human Rights (PHR), a US-based rights group, meanwhile, said the government was carrying out systematic attacks on medical staff. The excessive use of force against unarmed civilians, patients in hospitals and medical personnel that PHR's investigators documented is extremely troubling and is cause for an immediate international investigation, the group said in a statement on Friday. Iraq protests Hundreds of Iraqi Shias rallied in Baghdad on Saturday to demand the immediate withdrawal of Saudi troops from Bahrain. Shias in Iraq, Lebanon and Iran have expressed anger over the movement of forces from Sunni Arab states into Bahrain to help its Sunni royal family squash pro-democracy rallies by majority Shias. Protesters in central Baghdad chanted no to al-Saud. Some carried banners which read Saudi occupation should end and Why is there Arab silence towards the massacres committed in Bahrain?. We advise [our] brothers in Saudi Arabia to immediately withdraw from Bahrain, Hadi al-Amiri, Iraq's transportation minister and head of the Badr Organisation, which arranged the protest, said in an
[proletar] Aljazeera: Syrian legislators quit over crackdown
Middle East Syrian legislators quit over crackdown Two MPs resign from parliament as outrage at government's violent response to pro-democracy protests spreads. Last Modified: 23 Apr 2011 16:42 Two Syrian legislators have resigned their posts in parliament as outrage grows over the security force's crackdown on anti-government protests. Nasser al-Hariri and Khalil al-Rifaei, independent MPs who represent the city of Daraa, where scores of protesters have been killed, both separately told Al Jazeera on Saturday that they were resigning over the killings of demonstrators. I feel sorry for those who were killed in Houran today and yesterday by the bullets of security forces, despite the fact that the president has promised no live ammunition by security forces at all, al-Hariri said. He was referring to the deaths of protesters a day earlier when security forces opened fire on mourners at a funeral procession. Being an MP I feel the need to step down, as long as I am unable to protect the voters killed by live ammunition and so I feel better to resign, he said. Al-Rifaei said: I convey my condolence to the people of Houran and the Syrian people. The Syrian people and the of Houran voted for me to be a member of parliament and now I can't protect them anymore. Rezq Abdulrahman Abazeid, the government-appointed mufti for Syria's Daraa, which has been a focal point for pro-democracy protests, also resigned on Saturday in protest at the killing of demonstrators by security forces. More than 220 protesters have been killed since protests against the government of Bashar al-Assad, the Syrian president, erupted on March 18 in Daraa, rights campaigners say. Mourners targeted Al-Rifaei told Al Jazeera that a political solution to the unrest was needed. Security forces continued to crack down on tens of thousands of protesters on Saturday, mainly at funerals for demonstrators killed in previous violence. Map of April 22 'Great Friday' protests across Syria At least four people were killed in the Damascus suburb of Douma, a witness told Al Jazeera, after security forces on the ground and snipers on rooftops opened fire on a crowd of mourners. Eyewitness in Douma on Saturday said that the gunfire erupted during the funeral processions, a day after eight people were killed and at least 25 injured in an attack on protesters. Snipers took up positions on the top of a Baath Party building near the privately-run Hamdan Hospital, where residents had overnight formed a human shield around the main gate, in order to prevent security forces from arresting those who were injured and being treated inside. Elsewhere, at least three people were killed in the neighbourhood of Barza at a mass funeral of pro-democracy protesters killed a day earlier We have been receiving many calls from people in different places in Syria. Probably the most dramatic are the ones from the neighbourhood of Berza, Rula Amin, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Damascus, said. Today, during the funerals, people say the security forces shot at them again ... there is a state of panic. They say there are gunmen on the streets and they are randomly shooting at people. 'Long live Syria' Outside of the capital, six people are thought to have been killed as security force opened fire on people seeking to join mass funerals in the southern village of Izraa, where witnesses said at least 12 funerals were taking place. Click here for more of Al Jazeera's special coverage Mourners there were heard chanting: Bashar al-Assad, you traitor! Long live Syria, down with Bashar! A special correspondent for Al Jazeera, reporting from just outside Izraa and who cannot be named for security reasons, confirmed that he had witnessed a funeral procession being fired upon. [People marching on an overpass] were met with a hail of gunfire, many people certainly wounded directly in front of us, cars turned around, and I can tell you it was an incredibly chaotic scene, and it seems as though pretty much everyone down here in the southern part of the country is now carrying weapons, he said. It is unclear who was firing at whom, that's part of the confusion ... but clearly a very violent incident now being carried out here in the south of the country. Syrian state television has reported that the security forces are responding to clashes between the protesters and supporters of the government. State media says that most of the killings have been the result of these clashes. Condemnation World powers have called on Syria to end the violence, with Barack Obama, the US president, telling Syria its crackdown on protesters must come to an end now. This outrageous use of violence to quell protests must come to an end now, Obama said. Instead of listening to their own people, President Assad is blaming outsiders while seeking Iranian assistance in repressing Syria's citizens through the same brutal
Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul...
Udah didiskusiin sama si uplik? Menurut dia bukan bidadari tapi anggur, hehe.. Yang kumpak dong ah --- sunny ambon@... wrote: Siapa tidak mau 72 bidadari setelah mati? hehehehe - Original Message - From: wawan bagaimanapun para jihadis itu termotivasi karena mengejar 'kepentingan' individunya, yaitu afterlife di sorga... sekali lagi, saya punya thesis, agama adalah urusan individual, sekaligus membuat manusia (semakin fanatis) terpisah dari komunalnya agama seperti bius...ini thesis yg sudah lama di eropa.. --- ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul...
Bukan soal absolut-absolutan, tapi analisismu soal manusia yang takut bertindak / takut mati itu terlalu mentah. Kurang data. Kurang liat-liat ke luar jendela. Sebab faktanya di luar sana kematian bukan sesuatu yang ditakuti orang. Ada yang pasang bom di badan, lompat dari jembatan Brooklyn, ada pilot kamikaze, atau pemrotes dengan sejerigen bensin macam Bouazizi di Tunisia yang meniru gaya protes para biksu. Lumayan lucu juga analisis selemah itu dengan yakinnya dipake untuk memojokkan agama. Padahal, keyakinan yang kuat juga bisa bikin penganut komunis asyik main Russian Roulette. --- wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: di dunia ini nggak ada analisis yg absolute benar a dan b, adanya stastitikal kecenderungan, ilmu exact aja ada anomalinya taruhan ama saya, dalam 10x test ilmu exact, itupun ada anomali di level mikro... so udah saya tulis,apakah ada teori sosial yg berlaku sepanjang jaman? dengan tegas tak jawab tidak ada... --- ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Berarti analisismu tentang manusia yang takut bertindak / takut mati pijimana wan? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Seorang TKI di Yordania Disiksa Hingga Buta
Mungkin yg paling doyan nyiksa ini adalah majikan perempuannya bukan yg laki. Majikan laki itu lebih doyan merkosa, yg perempuan doyan nyiksa. Jadi Islam itu bikin laki dan perempuan sama2 bejad. Tkw ini sebetulnya ga lebih jadi sapi perah pemerintah, pemerintah dpt duit banyak dr tiap tkw krn tkw hrs ngurus ijin khusus, hrs ikut pelatihan, bayar asuransi dll, ini yg resmi, belum yg ga resmi alias malak. Kemana duit dr tkw ini? Hehehe gua rasa menterinya dpt banyak bagian jg. Kenapa tkw ini ga dpt perhatian dr KPK, DPR dll, terutama buat nyari tahu duit dr tkw ini lari kemana. Ya maklum aja, orang Islam dilarang ngebuka aib sodara seimannya. From: sunny am...@tele2.se To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 7:24:02 PM Subject: [proletar] Seorang TKI di Yordania Disiksa Hingga Buta Refleksi : Adakah yang peduli dengan situasi pahlawan devisa? http://us.detiknews.com/read/2011/04/16/062938/1618663/10/seorang-tki-di-yordania-disiksa-hingga-buta Sabtu, 16/04/2011 06:29 WIB Seorang TKI di Yordania Disiksa Hingga Buta Ramadhian Fadillah - detikNews elarablyawm.net Jakarta - Seorang TKI bernama Nurul Ahmad Lukman disiksa majikannya hingga buta sebelah. TKI malang ini juga tidak menerima gajinya selama 3 tahun. Kisah soal Nurul ramai diberitakan di Surat Kabar Yordania. Salah satunya adalah elarablyawm, harian berbahasa Arab di Yordania. Demikian disampaikan seorang mahasiswa Indonesia yang berdomisili di Yordania, Muhammad Jalil, kepada detikcom, Kamis (16/4/2011). Situs elarablyawm.net menulis Nurul, berhasil keluar dari cengkraman majikan yang kerap menyiksanya. Dia melarikan diri ke KBRI, Rabu (14/4). Nurul sudah berkerja dengan majikannya selama 4 tahun. Sejak 18 bulan terakhir, dia menjadi sasaran penyiksaan majikannya. Penyebabnya sepele, hanya karena memecahkan piring. Gadis berusia 25 tahun ini diperlakukan seperti binatang. Kakinya dirantai jika tidak berkerja dan kembali dilepas apabila ada kerjaan. Dia bekerja dari jam 6 pagi sampai jam 12 malam tanpa ada hari libur. Dia kerap disiksa dengan tongkat besi, pisau dan martil bahkan disiram air mendidih, yang membuat sekujur tubuhnya penuh dengan darah dan luka-luka serta harus kehilangan fungsi mata sebelah kanannya, demikian ditulis elarablyawm.net. Dalam kontrak, Nurul dijanjikan akan dibayar 100 US$ setiap bulannya. Namun sudah tiga tahun terakhir, dia tidak menerima gajinya. Selama bekerja, Nurul selalu hidup dalam ketakutan. Dia pun putus kontak dengan keluarganya di tanah air. Akhirnya, karena tidak tahan, Nurul yang terluka berhasil melarikan diri ke KBRI. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Outrageous verdict
Mau jadi tukang merkosa? Masuk islam aja, hehehe Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt tukang merkosa. From: sunny am...@tele2.se To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 7:58:17 PM Subject: [proletar] Outrageous verdict http://arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article369994.ece Editorial Apr 22, 2011 22:19 Outrageous verdict The acquittal in the Mukhtaran Mai case is a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system The acquittal by Pakistan's Supreme Court of five of the six men charged with raping a girl because her 12-year-old brother had been seeing a girl from their family, has been greeted with outrage around the world. This, however, should not be seen as a new cause for the international women's liberation movement but as a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system. The conviction of one man who took part in the gang-rape was upheld by Pakistan's highest court, but the other five men walked free for, according to the court, lack of evidence. The convicted man saw his death sentence commuted to life imprisonment. There are three important lessons for Pakistan arising from this sordid and deplorable crime. The first is that such punishments are not uncommon in a country where family honor is often paramount. It seems clear that as a result of the friendship between a young boy and a girl from another clan, the elders of that clan decreed the family of the other should be humiliated. It is important to realize this was not just a rape crime. All too often in similar circumstances the victim, weighed down by the shame of what has happened to her, has taken her own life. Therefore ultimately this was a crime of attempted murder. No civilized society should be prepared to tolerate such behavior. The second lesson has been taught by the victim herself, Mukhtaran Mai, an illiterate peasant girl, who instead of taking her own life in the face of her enforced dishonor, bravely chose to take on her rapists and in doing so, the entire Pakistani police and judicial system. She and her family are still being threatened with murder. She still maintains the police never took her statement properly and failed to investigate the crime in an efficient and timely manner. Hence, she says, it could be claimed there was a lack of evidence against all but one of her attackers, even though she was able to identify a number of them. The courts in which she pursued the men who had violated her, also displayed a distinct lack of interest in her evidence, preferring to accept the police claims rather than challenging law officers to demonstrate the effectiveness of their investigation. This is not, however, the disaster that outsiders are claiming it to be. There can be no doubt Pakistan has been shocked by the case. For the majority there is a sense of shame that such violent and degrading behavior can ever take place and frustration that both police and courts have been so slow and reluctant to move against it. Remember this is a crime which took place fully nine years ago. The impact of the case on the authorities is likely to bring about a sea change in official attitudes. Next time that such a heinous crime is brought to the attention of the police, it must be hoped that it will not just be the rapists who are charged, but also the elders who ordered the depraved crime. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Runaway maids eating into family budgets
Hehehe yg diomongin si Arab ini ga lebih cuma kibulan doang koq. Orang yg punya otak ataupun yg ga punya otak jg sadar bhw cewek keluar rumah sendirian di Saudi itu sangat berbahaya krn banyaknya tukang siksa dan tukang merkosa (semuanya orang islam), jadi ga mungkin tkw itu berani mati buat nyari kerjaan lain. Belum lagi butuh dokumen buat kerja yg ga akan didpt tkw di sana kalo ga diurus dr sini. Mana mungkin tkw yg cuma orang desa yg ga pendidikan tinggi itu berani mati nyari kerjaan di Saudi? Tp lihat jg bhw si majikan Arab keluar duit banyak buat ngerekrut tkw, SR 15,000. Nyatanya, tkw itu hrs bayar puluhan juta unt bisa jadi tkw dan dikirim. Jadi calo2 Indonesianya (pemerintah salah satunya), dpt duit dobel dr kiri kanan, dr tkw dan jg dr majikannya. Makanya, pejabat2 itu gemuk2 semuanya. Apalagi menteri2 dan presiden, hehehe... From: sunny am...@tele2.se To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 8:04:36 PM Subject: [proletar] Runaway maids eating into family budgets Refleksi : Kalau mereka diperlakukan manusiawi tentu tidak akan lari. http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article369924.ece Runaway maids eating into family budgets By RIMA AL-MUKHTAR | ARAB NEWS Published: Apr 22, 2011 22:15 Updated: Apr 22, 2011 22:15 JEDDAH: There are many reports of housemaids being abused or beaten, and occasionally even murdered. However, there is another side to the story. The large number of housemaids running away from their employers is causing untold problems, including social embarrassments and additional financial burdens for many Saudi families. It costs a lot to recruit a housemaid, with fees that go up to SR15,000. This includes recruitment fees, plane ticket and visa, said Abu Faisal, a recruitment office manager in Jeddah. If the maid runs away, the employer loses all the money he spent hiring her. Maids run away for several reasons, but they are mostly greedy and search for jobs in other households to make more money, according to Abu Faisal. Many maids run away from their sponsors as soon as they land in the Kingdom, knowing that they will find a job no matter what, for people are always looking for maids, he said. They know this and plan to run away before even arriving here. Sometimes they arrange it with their friends to guarantee them a better salary, he added. They just need someone to recruit them and pay for their visa and ticket, and once they are here they start looking for jobs with better wages, said Abu Faisal. Runaway maids accuse their previous employers of abuse and mistreatment. My Indonesian maid once told me that her friend was looking for work. I asked her to bring her by so that I could hire her to work for me. Once she came I asked about her previous job and why she left, and that's when she said that her sponsor used to deprive her of food and did not pay her for her work, said Moneera Al-Qahtani, housewife and mother. When she told me the name of her sponsor I knew she was lying, because it turned out to be my cousin, and later I found out that she worked for him for only two days before she ran away, Al-Qahtani added. Frustrated employers are no longer recruiting from outside the Kingdom, but look for help from within. I will no longer pay so much money, knowing that my maid might run away and cost me even more. For years now I have been asking my friends and family to bring me maids. I don't care if they are illegal or don't have iqama, I only care that my house is clean and my maid does not cost me more than SR1,000 a month, said Nahed Ibraheem, a working woman. I have bad experiences with maids running away even if they are treated like my own daughters. I don't know why they have the urge to leave suddenly, even when I tell them that I would never hold them if they wanted to go. They just have to tell me in advance so I can arrange for another one, she added. At least some employers see maids as a threat to their safety and private life. Everyone in the Kingdom looks at us as if we are spoiled and vulgar, for they think our maids are running away because we abuse them and do not provide them with food. They don't want to admit that we are the people who are suffering, because we are letting complete strangers inside our houses to look into our drawers, said Kholoud Badr, a high school teacher. After years I found out that my maid was a part time prostitute, offering her services to drivers in our neighborhood. This freaked me out because I have two young daughters, and it's not safe for them to stay at home alone. My question is this: How can you make sure that your maid is not a psychopath or a murderer? We don't think about these things; we only care about the service, she added. Police only arrest maids who are accused of a crime, not runaways, said First Lt. Nawaf Al-Bouq, spokesman for Jeddah police. According to the
Re: [proletar] Mahram law heaps frustration on women
Maklum, Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt tukang merkosa. Jadi cewek itu hrs dilindungi dr tukang merkosa alias orang Islam soleh. Ngeharuskan cewek dilindungi kalo keluar rumah di negara syariat iblis sebetulnya sama dgn ngaku bhw orang islam itu tukang merkosa. Di negara barat itu kan cewek bisa bebas pergi sendirian krn relatif aman, tukang merkosanya ga sebanyak di negara syariat iblis. Ini tentunya sebelum orang2 Islam datang ke negara kafir, hehehe... From: sunny am...@tele2.se To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 8:30:30 PM Subject: [proletar] Mahram law heaps frustration on women Refl: Apakah dahulu kala banyak penyamun maka ditetapkan sebagai peraturan agama bagi wanita yang berpergian wanita harus dikawal oleh muharam? Ada yang punya pendapat lain? http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article370031.ece Mahram law heaps frustration on women By MARIAM NIHAL | ARAB NEWS Published: Apr 22, 2011 23:35 Updated: Apr 22, 2011 23:35 JEDDAH: Saudi and foreign women in the Kingdom who wish to travel abroad often feel the heat of severe traveling regulations. Saudi laws dictate that women cannot travel without their mahram's (male guardian) permission and in some cases can only tour with them. GCC countries have different laws for Saudi women who can travel within the GCC without visa formalities or paperwork. However non-Saudi women are further restricted by what they deem as the mahram commandment. Women have expressed major concern and empathy for those who cannot travel due to these stringent laws or because their mahram is not able to accommodate their travel plans. Maya Hussein, a Canadian living in Jeddah, traveled to Abu Dhabi for work purposes, hoping to claim her visa upon arrival. However, she was given a choice between spending a night in prison or returning to Jeddah on the same flight. They said laws changed for Canadians. You do not need a visa if you are American or British. So basically the same rules apply to me as they do to expatriates living in Saudi Arabia. Unless my father travels with me, I cannot travel alone, she said. They said certain professions are allowed like engineers or businessmen. There are so many contradictions. It is either about the mahram rule, nationality bias or they are too confused within the framework of their contingency laws. It was the worst trip back home. Another Indian expatriate living in the Kingdom, 23-year-old Malaika Raza, expressed her anger to Arab News over her failed attempts to travel. An official at the UAE embassy in Jeddah told me my father needs to have a particular profession to enter Dubai in order to be able to accompany me. Does that mean my father should quit his job to accompany me? she said. The other rule is that a Dubai resident has to send me an invitation. I wanted to go and explore the city, so they are saying if I do not know anyone, I should not be allowed to go. I want to understand their unfounded logic. The trouble is there is no logic. Sameer Mahmoud, a 34-year-old Saudi, thinks the rules are fine and in accordance with the law of the system. I will not allow my wife or daughter to travel abroad alone. Even if my daughter wants to study, I will send my son along. When asked what he would have done if he did not have a son to accompany her, he replied, Then she could study here. My point is women need to be protected. We just want to be sure of their safety. I do not know what can happen out there and I do not want to risk her safety. Personally I want to take responsibility for them. If they really want to travel, I will take them. But it is a law and you must adhere to it. Tanya Benghazi, a 23-year-old Jordanian living in Jeddah, feels distraught due to the traveling laws. She feels a legal age for adults should be set that permits and allows women to travel irrespective of nationality and occupation status. It is really subjective and disturbing. Why are people turning a blind eye to these racist laws when it is unmistakable discrimination? You can enter the UAE if you are an engineer. I wonder why the labor class is not qualified to visit their country. Women are facing a greater predicament. I think a 30-year-old woman is more responsible than a young amateur who has the freedom to travel and live his life. But if he has the freedom, then everyone deserves a fair chance. Noura Saeed, a 27-year-old Saudi, told Arab News, I seriously think I should get married just for the sake of getting out of here. I want to travel. I am not asking for something immoral or unrealistic. For a moment I wish a higher authority pondered over this issue. Don't men want to empower women, their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters? Give us freedom of movement. It is just, moral and our right. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been
Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul...
Bukan soal absolut-absolutan, tapi analisismu soal manusia yang takut bertindak / takut mati itu =Ini masalah utamanya,wawan selalu melihat pemikiran2 yang berbau ''Metafisik dengan pemekiran fisafat ''analitik,yang ingin menyerupai ilmu kealaman sehingga kereteria yang berlaku dalam ilmu eksakta juga harus dapat diterapkan pada filsafat/fikiran(misalnya harus dapat dibuktikan dengan nyata,istilah2 yang dipakai harus berarti tunggal jadi menolak adanya ''analogi) terlalu mentah. Kurang data. Kurang liat-liat ke luar jendela. =Masih ber-putar2 pada pertanyaan yang menjadi pemikiran yang buksn jswaban nya Sebab faktanya di luar sana kematian bukan sesuatu yang ditakuti orang. Ada yang pasang bom di badan, =Karena ‘kematian’ adalah tema yang relatif jarang diangkat dan dikaji secara filosofis. Dalam setiap ranah pemikiran, gagasan terbagi ke dalam tiga wilayah: ‘yang terpikirkan’ (the thought), ‘yang tak terpikirkan’ (the unthought), ‘yang tak boleh dipikirkan’ (the unthinkable). Tema ‘kematian’ barangkali termasuk dalam wilayah ‘yang tak terpikirkan’, sehingga tugas kita menjadikannya sesuatu yang ‘terpikirkan’. Hal ini terungkap dari fakta bahwa tema kematian, walaupun sudah dikaji sejak ribuan abad lampau lompat dari jembatan Brooklyn, ada pilot kamikaze, atau pemrotes dengan sejerigen bensin macam Bouazizi di Tunisia yang meniru gaya protes para biksu. =Karena ‘kematian’ sering kali dimaknai secara dangkal—dan ini yang terpenting. Kematian bukan lagi sesuatu yang menggetarkan hati dan pikiran manusia. Karena pengaruh teknologi media mutakhir, kematian tercerabut dari konteksnya sebagai pengalaman manusiawi yang unik dan khas, dan menjadi sekadar data. Pendek kata, kematian menjadi fakta; ia menjadi faktualitas, tetapi kehilangan maknanya sebagai faktisitas, pengalaman manusiawi yang human dan ‘riil’ Lumayan lucu juga analisis selemah itu dengan yakinnya dipake untuk memojokkan agama. Padahal, keyakinan yang kuat juga bisa bikin penganut komunis asyik main Russian Roulette. =Itu kebosanan'' ...''Hidup segan''atau ''BT?'' bukan nya itu penyakit abad 21 --- On Sat, 4/23/11, ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 12:25 PM Bukan soal absolut-absolutan, tapi analisismu soal manusia yang takut bertindak / takut mati itu terlalu mentah. Kurang data. Kurang liat-liat ke luar jendela. Sebab faktanya di luar sana kematian bukan sesuatu yang ditakuti orang. Ada yang pasang bom di badan, lompat dari jembatan Brooklyn, ada pilot kamikaze, atau pemrotes dengan sejerigen bensin macam Bouazizi di Tunisia yang meniru gaya protes para biksu. Lumayan lucu juga analisis selemah itu dengan yakinnya dipake untuk memojokkan agama. Padahal, keyakinan yang kuat juga bisa bikin penganut komunis asyik main Russian Roulette. --- wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: di dunia ini nggak ada analisis yg absolute benar a dan b, adanya stastitikal kecenderungan, ilmu exact aja ada anomalinya taruhan ama saya, dalam 10x test ilmu exact, itupun ada anomali di level mikro... so udah saya tulis,apakah ada teori sosial yg berlaku sepanjang jaman? dengan tegas tak jawab tidak ada... --- ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Berarti analisismu tentang manusia yang takut bertindak / takut mati pijimana wan? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul...
hehe.. Cap orang tua ...? maksud nya cap' Uplik'' Oooh artinya disini banyak yang get high gara2 minum cap 'uplik'' --- On Sat, 4/23/11, ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 12:35 PM Udah didiskusiin sama si uplik? Menurut dia bukan bidadari tapi anggur, hehe.. Yang kumpak dong ah --- sunny ambon@... wrote: Siapa tidak mau 72 bidadari setelah mati? hehehehe - Original Message - From: wawan bagaimanapun para jihadis itu termotivasi karena mengejar 'kepentingan' individunya, yaitu afterlife di sorga... sekali lagi, saya punya thesis, agama adalah urusan individual, sekaligus membuat manusia (semakin fanatis) terpisah dari komunalnya agama seperti bius...ini thesis yg sudah lama di eropa.. --- ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] [Dokumen Tercecer] Fungsi Pertahanan, Mempertahankan Aset
Fungsi Pertahanan, Mempertahankan Aset Ardi Winangun - detikNews Jakarta - Di tengah belum terlaksananya operasi militer untuk menyerbu dan membebaskan pembajakan kapal Sinar Kudus di Somalia, TNI telah 'menggelar' operasi militer di Desa Setrojenar, Kecamatan Buluspesanatren, Kabupaten Banyumas, Jawa Tengah. Diberitakan oleh media, telah terjadi bentrokan antara warga yang mempunyai pekerjaan petani dan aparat TNI AD. Bentrokan itu terjadi akibat penolakan warga yang keberatan TNI menggelar latihan militer dan uji senjata berat di Setrojenar. Bentrokan itu terjadi setelah warga selepas melakukan ziarah kubur di makam lima warganya yang tewas akibat terkena mortir aktif milik TNIAD di areal pertanian Desa Setrojenar pada tahun 1997 melakukan demonstrasi di Kantor Dislitbang TNI AD di Pantai Bocor. Karena demonstrasi itu tidak mau dibubarkan, maka, disebutkan oleh media, 100 tentara keluar dari Kantor Dislitbang langsung menyerbu warga yang melakukan demonstrasi itu. Sebab sebagai tentara yang terlatih, maka serbuan itu mengakibatkan 13 warga luka dan 4 warga tertembak. Dari apa yang terjadi di Setrojenar sebenarnya dilandasi konflik pertanahan antara warga dan TNI. Konflik pertanahan yang terjadi di Setrojenar bukan yang pertama, sebelum itu, di Jakarta Utara, juga terjadi konflik masalah pertanahan antara pihak yang merasa memiliki lahan dengan TNIAL. Dalam mengamankan aset yang dirasa miliknya, seluas 20, 5 ha di Jalan Perintis Kemerdekaan, Kelapa Gading, Jakarta Utara, itu tampak beberapa TNI AL yang membopong senapan serbu dan membawa anjing pemburu. Dari konflik tanah yang terjadi ini menambah panjang konflik pertanahan antara TNI dan rakyat. Konflik pertanahan itu seperti terjadi di di Cisompet, Garut, Jawa Barat; Kasus PLTA Sulewana, Poso; Tanak Awu, Lombok Tengah, NTB; Bentrok Petani Rumpin Desa Sukamulya, Rumpin, Bogor, Jawa Barat, dan berbagai daerah lainnya di Indonesia. Apa yang terjadi di Setrojenar itu bisa jadi mirip apa yang terjadi di Alas Tlogo, Pasuruan, Jawa Timur. Rakyat yang mempertahankan hak miliknya, dengan bukti Petok D dan Letter C, harus berhadapan dengan sekitar 13 anggota Marinir TNIAL. Akibat bentrokan itu disebut empat orang tewas dan tujuh orang luka-luka akibat kena tembak. Atas semua peristiwa di atas semua sangat menyayangkan. TNI yang seharusnya berfungsi sebagai alat pertahanan negara, menjaga keutuhan bangsa, justru malah sering menyerang warganya sendiri. Secara aturan tentu TNI tidak gampang untuk menggunakan senjatanya atau melakukan operasi militer dalam mempertahankan apa yang dirasa menjadi miliknya. Lihat saja, ketika banyak wilayah Indonesia diserobot atau saat pembajakan Kapal Sinar Kudus, TNI tidak melakukan operasi militer karena mereka tidak mendapat perintah untuk menggelar operasi militer. Jadi TNI tidak seenaknya menggelar operasi militer. Dengan demikian, apakah di Setrojenar atau di tempat lainnya, konflik TNI dengan rakyat, ada perintah bagi TNI untuk menggelar operasi militer? Tentu tidak, sebab rakyat yang berkonflik dengan TNI tidak masuk dalam kriteria musuh negara dan bangsa, mereka hanya mempertahankan tanah miliknya. Seharusnya dilakukan secara baik-baik. Diselesaikan secara non-militer. Tentu konflik seperti di Setrojenar, Kelapa Gading, dan tempat-tempat yang lainnya masih akan sering terjadi dan menimbulkan korban apabila TNI dalam mempertahankan asetnya lebih mengedepankan kekerasan daripada hukum. Lihat saja, Pengadilan Negeri Jakarta Utara harus menunda eksekusi tanah yang diduduki TNI AL di Jalan Perintis Kemerdekaan itu karena TNI AL ketika menghadang juru sita hadir dengan 'kekuatan' penuh. Bahkan Panglima TNI meminta eksekusi itu ditunda dengan alasan masalah belum selesai. Bila demikian memang harus dipikirkan cara yang baik agar semua bisa melaksanakan tugas dan fungsi masing-masing. Latihan militer dan uji senjata berat memang perlu dilakukan oleh TNI untuk mengasah profesionalisme. Di sisi lain warga menggunakan lahan sebagai mata pencaharian mereka, sebagai petani misalnya. Semakin minimnya lahan di Pulau Jawa memang menyebabkan TNI kekurangan wilayah untuk melakukan latihan militer atau untuk dijadikan markas dan perumahan anggota, akibatnya sering bersinggungan dengan rakyat yang juga merasa memiliki hak atas tanah yang ditempati. Solusi yang bisa ditempuh untuk meminimalisasi konflik TNI dan rakyat dalam soal tanah adalah, pertama, TNI mencari lahan di luar Jawa atau pulau-pulau kecil untuk dijadikan tempat latihan militer dan ujicoba senjata. Kita lihat banyak pulau-pulau yang masing tidak berpenghuni yang rawan diserobot bangsa lain. Dengan menempati pulau itu maka selain langsung menjaga wilayah NKRI juga layak untuk dijadikan tempat latihan militer dan uji senjata. Kedua, warga yang menempati daerah yang cocok dijadikan latihan militer dan uji coba senjata berat, tanahnya dibeli dengan harga yang untung atau mereka ditransmigrasikan. Peran
[proletar] Penganut NII Harus Ditindak dan Ditumpas Bukan Disadarkan
Penganut NII Harus Ditindak dan Ditumpas Bukan Disadarkan NII itu adalah pemberontak dan bukan bagian dari RI, jadi bukan masalah kesadaran yang menjadi penyebab melainkan memang falsafahnya berbeda. Oleh karena itu politik Jusuf Kala yang mendukung pemerintah untuk menyadarkan NII adalah politik blunder, karena kalo memang pemerintah mau berdamai dengan NII, gantilah falsafah Pancasila dengan falsafah Syariah Islam... gampang koq. Jadi enggak perlu banyak cingcong lagi kalo pemerintah bersedia mengubah negara ini menjadi negara Syariah Islam karena berdasarkan AlQuran dan ajaran Islam pun umat Islam dilarang dan diharamkan untuk tinggal satu atap dengan orang kafir, dengan orang murtad dan dengan penyembah berhala. Jadi sebagai negara Islam nantinya, lambang Garuda itu harus diganti karena Garuda itu adalah lambang berhala. http://us.detiknews.com/read/2011/04/23/235112/1623908/10/jk-pemerintah-harus-menyadarkan-tokoh-nii Tapi Jusup Kala tidak sependapat, menurutnya pemerintah RI harus menyadarkan bahwa aqidah Islam yang benar itu bukan seperti yang dipahami NII melainkan sama seperti yang dipahami pemerintah Pancasila saat ini. Betul2 si Jusuf Kala inilah yang keblinger, justru soal Islam itu orang2 NII itu tentunya lebih tahu dari Pemerintah RI dan Jusuf Kala. Malah kalo mau berbicara soal Islam, NII itulah yang harusnya menyadarkan pemerintah yang menganut ajaran Islam secara sesat. Silahkan para pembaca membaca sendiri pendapat Jusuf Kala yang sesat ini, sesat berdasarkan falsafah pancasila, dan juga sesat berdasarkan Syariah Islam: Menurut JK ada pemahaman yang salah dari para tokoh NII yang ada saat ini. NII selama ini juga kerap dikaitkan dalam kasus pencucian otak dan hilangnya mahasiswa di beberapa kampus di Indonesia. NII harus dilawan, pemerintah dan para ulama harus memberikan pengetahuan yang benar, tambahnya. Selain itu, JK menambahkan, gerakan radikalisme di Indonesia saat ini semakin berbahaya. Para Radikalis menganggap surga sebagai sesuatu yang mudah diraih begitu saja, misalnya dengan bom bunuh diri dan menganggap dirinya mati syahid. Jadi tidak ada perlu dan kaitannya dan bukan urusan pemerintah untuk menambah, mengubah, atau menyalahkan pengetahuan para pendukung NII ini. Karena pengetahuan itu bisa didapat mereka dengan bersekolah, tetapi ternyata disemua sekolah di Indonesia sudah tidak ada lagi pelajaran Pancasilanya, tetapi diganti dengan pelajaran Syariah Islam. Akibatnya, pemerintahlah yang harus mendapatkan pengetahuan dari para pendukung NII, dengan kata lain pemerintah harus mengundurkan diri dan menyerahkan negara dalam posisinya sekarang kepada NII untuk selanjutnya dijalankan berdasarkan pengetahuan Islam yang didapatnya disekolah. Yang jelas, Syariah Islam itu melanggar HAM dan tidak mendapatkan persetujuan dari UN yang berarti Indonesia dikucilkan dan dikeluarkan dari UN beserta sanksi2 ekonomi, perdagangan maupun persenjataan. Maka sekali sanksi ini jatuh, nasib bangsa ini sama seperti orang utan yang cuma makan daun2an. Dikeluarkan dari UN, bahkan tanpa dikeluarkan cukup dikenakan sanksi saja, pemberontakan di Indonesia akan pecah di-mana2 tidak terkendali dan penguasa NII juga tidak sanggup untuk menentang yang lebih banyak ini. Pendukung NII di Indonesia sangat sedikit kurang dari 1%, meskipun begitu mereka itu betul2 teroris jihad yang mampu mengacaukan kehidupan masyarakat yang lebih banyak ini. Untuk itulah pemerintah bukan harusnya menyadarkan mereka tapi harus menyadarinya sendiri akan bahayanya mereka kalo tidak ditumpas habis, tidak ada tempat untuk mereka, atau bagi mereka tidak ada tempat bagi kita, itulah pilihannya cuma satu bukan dua dan bukan satu setengah. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Ada yang ingat lagu sunda dibawah ini ? ( kang Abbas )
Ada yang ingat Lagu ini ?, =Saya baru pertama kali dengar lagu ini...pernah?/mungkin lupa yang masih ingateuis,pileleyan,tumbila diadu boxen,panon hideng atau yang ini,...kira2 koook na bulu entog,bedna gebugan kasur atau ini..?' ditahun 70 an suka dinyanyiin anak sd dan smp Tempat semir bastol tempat minyak botol diasuken jebol Bisa jadi seperti itu,doeloe waktu saya masih SD,tidak usah jauh2 pergi ke bandung,cianjur,bogor/depok/banten/bekasitanggerang/serpong di jakarta selatan sekitar bisa kita temui satu kawasan masyarakat nya berbicara sunda tiap hari dalam ber-aktivitas,mereka tidak bicara betawi ''ora''seperti di daearah cinere,sudimara,pondok betung,cipete pondok labuh pondok kacang,ciputat,sebagian pondok pinang/pondok indah saat ini kebayoran baru dialek masyarakat nya mirip tokoh lenong bokir asoy pisan, Sudah pasti asoi,apalagi kalau diputar keras2 disini jelas komposer Ac debussy 100%menjiplak kesenian ''sunda besar'' sekarang ada penerusnya gak yah ? Kebudayan/kesenian tidak jauh berbeda dengan bahasa se-hari2 makin sering dipakai akan ada kemungkinan berkembang --- On Sat, 4/23/11, suryana gsury...@indo.net.id wrote: From: suryana gsury...@indo.net.id Subject: [proletar] Ada yang ingat lagu sunda dibawah ini ? ( kang Abbas ) To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 9:26 AM Ada yang ingat Lagu ini ?, ditahun 70 an suka dinyanyiin anak sd dan smp asoy pisan, sekarang ada penerusnya gak yah ? http://youtu.be/FyktsGId8rA. sur. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] New concerns for women?
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2011/1044/fe1.htm 21 - 27 April 2011 Issue No. 1044 Features Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875 New concerns for women? Should women be concerned about their rights after the revolution, asks Dena Rashed Click to view caption I shall remain free -- It doesn't take a long conversation before one hears the phrase, women in Egypt have enough rights. What more do they want? This is a question that is often heard in conversations with some men, often when women are discussing their lacking rights. However, over the past few weeks the question has been given a new urgency in the light of news that some voices have been calling for a review of certain laws that concern women. Debates in the media have included the right of divorced parents to have access to their children, khul' -- the right of a woman to divorce without her husband's consent if she forgoes her financial rights -- and the quota of women in parliament. Since Egypt has become more accustomed to demonstrations since the 25 January Revolution, it was less surprising when divorced husbands took to the streets to demonstrate some weeks ago in order to demand changes in the law that would allow them to see more of their children. Their main demand was to change the law that allows divorced husbands to see their children but not to have custody of them. Women's and mothers' NGOs responded by stressing mothers' rights, warning of attempts to take away existing rights. It has been particularly alarming over recent weeks that laws governing the rights of women have been dubbed Suzanne's laws, in reference to the wife of former president Hosni Mubarak. Nihad Abul-Qomsan, head of the Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights (NCWR), is one activist who has been feeling that women are being excluded from the revolution and even being asked to step aside. She believes that the debate on changing the rights of divorced husbands is meant as a blow to the whole personal status law, as she told Al-Ahram Weekly in an interview. If we want to provide a decent environment for men, then we have to do the same for women. There is definitely a problem with the law providing the right of divorced fathers to see their children, since mothers have custody of the children until the latter are 15. At the same time, the law does not provide mothers with an efficient way to attain alimony for their children. As a result, we have mothers with children but no money available from the father's side, so mothers end up having a grudge against the father, Abul-Qomsan said. The state, she says, has abdicated its responsibility in this area, letting society handle it in the way it thinks fit and making alimony something that a woman has to struggle for on a personal basis. When matters are like this, we can't just ask for a certain part of the law to be changed and leave the rest. The revolution didn't arrive to abolish women's rights, which is why we need a clear statement from the Military Council stressing the protection of women's rights. Abul-Qomsan said that certain Islamist forces could be using women's rights as an entry point into political debate, particularly when the country as a whole is busy with political arrangements. Women, she says, have been largely excluded from the new cabinet and from the constitutional committee that framed the recent constitutional amendments. There are also concerns over khul'. Over the past few years, and especially after the khul' law in 2000, this has been seen as a victory for women by many people rather than as a right long granted by Islam. Abul-Qomsan believes that voices now calling for a review of the khul' law want women to return to the situation before the law was passed. In the absence of reliable statistics on cases of khul', Abul-Qomsan believes that many people may be under the impression that many women resort to this law, which is not in fact the case. People need to know that the majority of divorce cases do not employ khul ', she says. If society hasn't been able to accept khul' more than 10 years after its inception, this means that government, education and the media have not played their proper role in showing that this right is important to society. For Abul-Qomsan, the Muslim Brotherhood has been casting doubt on the law. They say they are for Sharia law, yet they argue that khul' does not conform to the values and traditions of society. This raises the question of what kind of Egypt we want, and what kind of principles we want: human rights and democracy, or certain traditions of society? As an activist, Abul-Qomsan believes that the loudest voice tend to get heard, though these may not represent majority views. With no clear statements
[proletar] Reform and revolution
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2011/1044/op1.htm 21 - 27 April 2011 Issue No. 1044 Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875 Reform and revolution The entire modern history of Egypt is characterised by the to and fro between forces of political reform and forces of revolution that break free when reform fails, writes Abdel-Moneim Said My dear colleague Mohamed Fayez Farahat, the editor of Strategic Papers issued by the Centre for Political and Strategic Studies, asked me to write a paper answering the question why the reformers failed in the National Democratic Party (NDP), and why reformers in Egypt -- whether they belong to a party or not -- were unable to achieve reform in Egypt. This failure ushered in the revolution as we saw it, and how we will see it in the future, and irrespective of the many and scattered events, no two people would disagree that Egypt after 25 January 2011 will never be the same. This in itself is a simple definition of revolution, namely that it is a colossal event causing society and state to qualitatively change whereby it's not a new episode, but a new point in history. The question about the failure of reformers is premature since many people are still in a state of revolt and reject any calm thinking or advice, or criticism of events. During such times, simple ideas are prevalent and mixing reform and opportunism is easy, and since Egypt's history began at this moment -- as was said about all revolutions in past -- studying what occurred before the revolution outside the agreed upon political explanations is a breach of consensus in political terms. Nonetheless, the failure of reformers before the revolution had always been an ongoing debate among historians and intellectuals who are familiar with Egyptian history and attempted to study its parameters of progress. Today, the public believes that throughout its history Egypt was a democratic and wealthy state where human rights were respected until the arrival of the NDP and its leadership on the scene which transformed all this into a dictatorship, poverty and absence of human rights, whereby the past three decades were the ultimate difference between day and night. Of course, it was never like that. Throughout its history over thousands of years, the Egyptian state was never a democracy and after the middle point in Pharaonic times wealth continued to deteriorate over the next centuries and millennia, except for a few years here and there in Egypt's history. This was accompanied by colonialists, conquerors and invaders. I do not intend to revise Egypt's entire history, but modern history has witnessed the debate between revolution and reform. Perhaps the starting point in the modern state of Egypt was the revolution of the Egyptian people against French occupation that continued until Mohamed Ali was appointed as the leader of Egypt in 1805. This revolution was entirely Egyptian, led by Al-Azhar and a group of enlightened people who demanded an end to the dark ages of Ottoman rule. In the end, however, they pledged their allegiance to the Ottoman ruler who was ambitious enough not only to launch Egypt's independence movement but also initiate its exit from the Middle Ages of the Ottoman Empire into the modern age. Between the rise of Mohamed Ali to power and the Orabi Revolution, which was carried out by the army with the support of the people, reform efforts were immense by the criteria of the period. There was reform in agriculture, irrigation, land reclamation, railroads, telephones, telegraphs, journalism, books, theatre and changing the rules of agricultural land ownership, which empowered the Egyptian people -- or at least some of them -- and enabled them to transform culturally, intellectually and prepared them to consider their various forms of politics and leadership. Historians have mainly focused on the conquests of Mohamed Ali and his conflict with foreign states; what his son Ibrahim did in Sudan, the Levant and Arabian peninsula; Khedive Abbas's efforts to instil law and order and the pillars of the state in Egypt; followed by the conquests of Saied and Ismail in Africa and great reforms, most prominently the digging of the Suez Canal and allowing Egyptians for the first time in 3,000 years to be drafted into the army, become civil servants and involved in industry. This was accompanied by great advances in agricultural development. All this occurred because of the work of a variety of reformers whose names are sometimes known in the fields of education, organisation, industry, agriculture, and others. But the political outcome of their deeds was in sharp contrast to the rewards of these reforms for the Egyptian people and the type of political system that remained defined as absolute power for the Wali or Khedive, who only viewed the people of Egypt as
[proletar] Let Libya be Libya
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2011/1044/re2.htm 21 - 27 April 2011 Issue No. 1044 Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875 Let Libya be Libya Gaddafi's revolutionary ideology is hallowing out in its traditional Tripolitanian strongholds. But signs of intriguing new life for his followers are springing up at its periphery, perceives Gamal Nkrumah With every day, and from both sides of my intelligence, I thus drew steadily nearer to that truth, by whose partial discovery I have been doomed to such a dreadful shipwreck: that man is not one, but truly two. -- Robert Louis Stevenson The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde Click to view caption Rebel fighters are seen during a heavy sandstorm at the eastern entrance of Ajdabiya hemming them in to their eastern outpost and denting their hopes of pushing west to try to end a stalemate in the Libyan war -- Substitute man for Libya and you will come to understand how Libya is not one, but truly two. Libya's contemporary history is focussed around a thesis of challenge and response -- an invariably revolutionary response. And, the country has been doomed to such a dreadful shipwreck. But though it looks half dead, Libya is buzzing with creative energy. Pro- democracy activists have taken up arms against the regime of Muammar Gaddafi. Forces loyal to the Libyan leaders are also up in arms. The Brother leader is at the moment preoccupied with keeping the NATO beast at bay. Embracing a solution that satisfies both the Gaddafi regime and its opponents headquartered in Benghazi is by no means an easy task. Just as the rebels are seemingly adamant in demanding Off with his head!, Gaddafi, if less categorically, does not want to see the Western-backed Leviathan grow into a true monster. He is intent on striking their names out of the Libyan lexicon. The National Transitional Council (NTC) in Benghazi is at the mercy of NATO. Withdrawing Western aid would be a blunt tool that would stunt the NTC's growth, and at any rate in the short run would hamper the battle against the Gaddafi forces. Victory on the eastern front can rarely have tasted so bitter for the NTC stalwarts. Libyan politics has entered a new and unstable phase. It is time for Gaddafi, by far the most talented Libyan politician, to stop his ranting, sober up, and show his well known talent for political brinkmanship, his true mettle. Officially, he is above politics altogether. In practice, of course, he now governs at the West's behest and pleasure, though this is a case of the snake charmer picking up the snake by the wrong end. Gaddafi like Moses has flung his staff and its reptilian metamorphosis is gobbling up the Western lackeys, wreathing like worms. A perennial complaint of the disgruntled rebels is that they lack proper Western protection. The question is what does the West's plans for Libya's political future have to do with Gaddafi's staying power? Gaddafi is more socially liberal than his opponents and that is the reason perhaps that may explain why the West is reluctant to support the NTC with its odds and ends of Islamists. But Gaddafi is too engrossed in leading the struggle against the imperialists, and is too intellectually active, to wallow in gloom or pessimism. As he sees things at this particular historical juncture, he has to be at the helm. As a rule of thumb, when a crisis of the magnitude of that which faces Libya hits a country it can seem reasonable to say that the task of handling the crisis falls mainly to the leader of the country in question. Gaddafi knows that his forces must regroup and survive, or else fall and collapse. The differences between Libya's political setup and the rest of the Arab world are immediately palpable even to the most casual political observer. Gaddafi's Libya is the only Arab and African state lacking a Western-style central bank. Not surprisingly then, one of the first acts of the NTC was to establish such a central bank for Libya with Western backing. Why has the West intervened militarily in Libya and not in Bahrain, Syria or Yemen? Rather than resorting to the old imperialist strategies of picking winners in neo- colonies, Western powers should encourage winners in the developing worlds to emerge by themselves. But for Libyans, pristine Islam retains a huge emotional hold. Libyan Islam has a vitriolic hold, prone to sympathy with Al-Qaeda and militant Salafist groups. But there are several positive traditions such as the venerable Sufi traditions of North Africa that are especially prevalent in Libya. It is indicative that the Sufi orders have sided with Gaddafi, while the Salafis, conveniently overlooking the tenets of Islam concerning usury, have jumped on the NTC bandwagon. The hardest days may
[proletar] A giant of his era
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/news-i/22abril-lenin.html Havana. April 22, 2011 A giant of his era . THE life and work of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin are worthy of admiration. Today as we celebrate the 141st anniversary of his birth, the continuators of his ideas are proud to describe them as ageless. He was the founder a new epoch, establishing the 20th century as the era of socialist revolution, breaking the power of the exploiters in backward Czarist Russia and creating, with the force of colossal tenacity and heroism, the first workers' and farmers' state in history, precipitating the rapid development of revolutionary and emancipation movements around the world. Fidel on the 100th anniversary of this exemplary revolutionary's birth said, Lenin is one of those truly exceptional human beings. A simple reading of his life, his history, his work, the most objective analysis of the way his thinking developed and his attitude throughout his life make him in the eyes of all humanity, I repeat, a truly exceptional man. No one was able, as he was, to interpret the depth, the essence and the value of Marxist theory. No one was capable, as he was, of analyzing this theory and taking it to its ultimate implications. No one was capable of developing and enriching it the way he did. Among Lenin's many significant contributions to Marxism and the progress of humanity, outstanding are his theory of imperialism as the final stage of capitalist development, the creation of a new type of party, the socialist revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat, the obligatory relationship between national and social liberation, the principles of peaceful co-existence and the path to the construction of socialism Enemies have tried to demonize him, but no one can deny the historic nature of the thought and action of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, a political giant of his time. . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul...
Ini sih omongan orang-orang yang kesel sama guru agamanya (yang ngajarin agama dengan dongengan tolol) tapi lalu meyakini agama itu setolol dongengan gurunya. =Saya kira juga begitu termakan omongan bodoh dari guru2 yang mengajar dengan buku2 yang tidak pernah terbit. Ini nggak beda dengan gejala anak sekolah yang alergi pelajaran susah hanya lantaran gurunya nggak becus ngajar. =Doeloe di keby-baru SD tempat saya bersekolah kalau ada murid yang kedapatan seperti itu dalam sebuah kelas cuma dalam hitungan hari pasti dibawa langsung ke cimacan deket ciawi/cibulan selama 2 minggu untuk belajarsantai disebuah wisma besar milik PK...lupa namanya. tidak bayar uang transport/makan/tidur,masih adakah sekarang?'' ini cerita sungguhan saya mengalami sendiri 1 kalimalah teman saya ada yang kebagian 2 sampai 3 kali mundar mandir dalam setahun karena diajarkan apa saja susah mengerti nya. Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. =Ini penting untuk bahan klarifikasi. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. =Oooh jadi keputusan harahirikamikaze itukewajiban agama?'' Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) Klau obrolan sendiri,didengar sendiri,buat sendiri...kalau da apa2bakalan sendiri pula? --- Wong wong_gendeng05@... wrote: Meskipun agama adalah setahayul tahayulnya tahyul, dan membuat pemeluknya kehilangan rasionalitasnya, namun sisi postif agama adalah bahwa agama bisa menjadi obat generik paling murah bagi orang orang yang malang. Agama adalah pengganja masa. tak ada ganja yang lebih murah dari pada agama. Rahyu --- wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: agama... sekali lagi agama... adalah belief system yg membuat manusia mencari keselamatan subyektif, keselamatan individu, sehingga membuat manusia memisahkan diri dari komunitas universalnya, agama-lah yang meredam kesadaran kelas... agama-lah yang meredam/memisahkan individu kedalam persatuan kekuatan revolusioner... saya berthesis, selama takhyul masih ada di kepala manusia- manusia indonesia, maka nggak akan ada revolusi fundamental... dalam analisis saya yg lain, takhyulisme membuat manusia takut bertindak/takut mati, takut menjebol, dan takhyulisme itu membuat manusia lebih asyik bermasturbasi mengejar keselamatan individu-nya di alam afterlife (dongeng) --- On Thu, 4/21/11, ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 10:55 PM Ini sih omongan orang-orang yang kesel sama guru agamanya (yang ngajarin agama dengan dongengan tolol) tapi lalu meyakini agama itu setolol dongengan gurunya. Ini nggak beda dengan gejala anak sekolah yang alergi pelajaran susah hanya lantaran gurunya nggak becus ngajar. Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) --- Wong wong_gendeng05@... wrote: Meskipun agama adalah setahayul tahayulnya tahyul, dan membuat pemeluknya kehilangan rasionalitasnya, namun sisi postif agama adalah bahwa agama bisa menjadi obat generik paling murah bagi orang orang yang malang. Agama adalah pengganja masa. tak ada ganja yang lebih murah dari pada agama. Rahyu --- wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: agama... sekali lagi agama... adalah belief system yg membuat manusia mencari keselamatan subyektif, keselamatan individu, sehingga membuat manusia memisahkan diri dari komunitas universalnya, agama-lah yang meredam kesadaran kelas... agama-lah yang meredam/memisahkan individu kedalam persatuan kekuatan revolusioner... saya berthesis, selama takhyul masih ada di kepala manusia- manusia indonesia, maka nggak akan ada revolusi fundamental... dalam analisis saya yg lain, takhyulisme membuat manusia takut bertindak/takut mati, takut menjebol, dan takhyulisme itu membuat manusia lebih asyik bermasturbasi mengejar keselamatan individu-nya di alam afterlife (dongeng) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links
[proletar] Jail for Koran-burning pastor
http://www.smh.com.au/world/jail-for-koranburning-pastor-20110423-1ds04.html Jail for Koran-burning pastor April 23, 2011 - 2:28PM The US pastor whose burning of a Koran sparked deadly violence in Afghanistan has been briefly jailed in a heavily Islamic suburb after a court banned his protest outside a mosque. A judge jailed pastor Terry Jones of Gainesville, Florida, and his associate, Wayne Sapp, after a court found their planned protest outside the Islamic Centre of America in Dearborn, Michigan, could lead to violence. During his court appearance, Jones argued the Koran promotes terrorist activities around the world. He also insisted his right to protest against Islam was protected by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The First Amendment does us no good if it confines us to saying what is popular, he said. But Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad testified that his department had received information about serious threats made against Jones from residents, arguing that his protest could lead to violence if allowed. Prosecutor Robert Moran argued the protest had nothing to do with the First Amendment and at stake were security and peace in the community. In the end, the jury sided with the prosecution and Judge Mark Somers set bond at the symbolic amount of $1 each for the two pastors, which they initially refused to pay. Following their refusal, both were escorted to jail. But local media reported both men changed their minds after spending about an hour behind bars and posted the $1 bond. Jones and Sapp made international headlines after their ceremonial trial and execution of the Koran by burning led to deadly protests in Afghanistan. Last month's Koran burning unleashed protests across Afghanistan, some of which were violent. Seven UN staff were killed during one protest in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif on April 1. AFP Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/jail-for-koranburning-pastor-20110423-1ds04.html#ixzz1KOLmPi6R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi di Jum'at Agung
Kalau para maestro bernyanyi di hari yang indah, nggak ada lagi persoalan antara Spanyol Arab. =Itu masalah utamanya;bangsa sama,bahasa sama selera sama...disini kita kehilangan ''bhineka tunggal ika'' Yang ada tinggal cinta yang berlimpah dan perlu dibagi ke segala pelosok, =betul-betul sungguh indah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWziJcyd858 where is my love, where is my reason to live, --- On Thu, 4/21/11, ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] kalau maestro bernyanyi di Jum'at Agung To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 8:50 PM Kalau para maestro bernyanyi di hari yang indah, nggak ada lagi persoalan antara Spanyol Arab. Yang ada tinggal cinta yang berlimpah dan perlu dibagi ke segala pelosok, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWziJcyd858 where is my love, where is my reason to live, --- ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@... wrote: Suara guitar nya bikin saya terhanyut...hilang seperti kunjungan ksebuah musium besar dimana yang dipamerkan ber-gerak2..Ooooh orgasme Compay Segundo live at L'Olympia in Paris, France. Directed by Patrick Savey; 1999. http://youtu.be/9IXzwmKTY78 Segundo si legenda.. Tambahin dengan hitnya bersama bluesman kelahiran Aljazair yah, itung-itung ngrayain Jum'at Agung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysRWoTCyw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Alert after foiled attack on Jakarta church
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/alert-after-foiled-attack-on-jakarta-church/story-e6frg6so-1226043490868 Alert after foiled attack on Jakarta church Peter Alford, Jakarta Correspondent From: The Australian April 23, 2011 12:00AM AUSTRALIANS have been warned after a bomb plot was uncovered. Indonesian security forces are on high alert and Australia has warned travellers of the very high threat of terrorist attack after the foiling of a Good Friday bomb plot against a Catholic church. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono ordered security forces on to the highest level of vigilance over Easter following the discovery of five bombs beside Christ Cathedral at Serpong, West Jakarta. The bombs, containing 150kg of explosives and buried beside a gas pipeline to intensify the destructive effect, were found on Thursday after police rounded up 19 men suspected of a book mail-bombing campaign last month. The bombs were planned to be remotely triggered by a mobile phone yesterday morning. The suspects were arrested in relation to the book bomb attacks, and it was discovered they were also planning to bomb the church, said Ansyaad M'bai, chief of the National Counter-Terrorism Agency (BNPT). Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. Related Coverage a.. Terror cameraman in bomb plot Adelaide Now, 4 hours ago b.. Bomb suspect a tv news cameraman Herald Sun, 12 hours ago c.. Indonesia on high alert Courier Mail, 2 days ago d.. Mosque bomber a follower of Bashir The Australian, 3 days ago e.. Jihadists 'going under radar' The Australian, 4 days ago End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. In Canberra, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade reissued advice for Australian travellers to reconsider your need to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, at this time due to the very high threat of terrorist attack. The advice was originally issued four weeks ago when it was revealed Pakistani security forces had captured the accused 2002 Bali bomber Umar Patek, who is likely to be handed to the Indonesians. Information to Australian authorities indicated terrorist attacks might take place in Indonesia at any time, DFAT said. The US embassy in Jakarta has advised Americans to take special caution over the Easter weekend and avoid street rallies, which can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. Even before the bomb discovery, police in Jakarta and other Javanese centres were braced for possible Islamic mob attacks on Christian congregations at Easter. Jakarta police chiefs reportedly assigned 20,000 officers to secure churches and search for bombs. The find at Serpong came a week after the suicide bombing of a police mosque at Cirebon, West Java, intensifying concern Islamic terrorism had entered a new stage. According to the International Crisis Group, this is characterised by small groups hitting local targets -- police and other state oppressors, Christians and deviant Muslims -- operating independently of, but encouraged by, jihadist organisations. The groups were only detected when members were caught, the ICG said, raising the question of how many similar groups operating under police radar exist that will only come to light when one of their . . . attempts succeeds. General Ansyaad said yesterday that BNPT and Densus 88, the police counter-terrorist unit, were investigating any associations between the suspects in the recent incidents and two jihadist groups, Jemaah Islamiyah and Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid. JI and JAT have dissociated themselves from violent action, although JAT leader Abu Bakar Bashir is on trial charged with planning and funding the al-Qa'ida in Aceh militant training camp. The Cirebon bomber, Muhammad Syarif, has been recognised in a video of a recent JAT demonstration, but police say they have not identified any group involved with him in the mosque attack. Thursday's bomb find prompted an emergency meeting of Dr Yudhoyono's security cabinet. The President has ordered the military and the police, and all other institutions related to terrorism eradication, to co-ordinate on this, the Co-ordinating Minister for Security and Politics, Djoko Suyanto, said afterwards. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi
Ngerayain Jumat Agung? Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ wrote: Suara guitar nya bikin saya terhanyut...hilang seperti kunjungan ksebuah musium besar dimana yang dipamerkan ber-gerak2..Ooooh orgasme Compay Segundo live at L'Olympia in Paris, France. Directed by Patrick Savey; 1999. http://youtu.be/9IXzwmKTY78 Segundo si legenda.. Tambahin dengan hitnya bersama bluesman kelahiran Aljazair yah, itung-itung ngrayain Jum'at Agung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysRWoTCyw Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Alert after foiled attack on Jakarta church
Yang kek ginikah yg namanya Siaga-1? Indonesian security forces are on high alert --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/alert-after-foiled-attack-on-\ jakarta-church/story-e6frg6so-1226043490868 Alert after foiled attack on Jakarta church Peter Alford, Jakarta Correspondent From: The Australian April 23, 2011 12:00AM AUSTRALIANS have been warned after a bomb plot was uncovered. Indonesian security forces are on high alert and Australia has warned travellers of the very high threat of terrorist attack after the foiling of a Good Friday bomb plot against a Catholic church. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono ordered security forces on to the highest level of vigilance over Easter following the discovery of five bombs beside Christ Cathedral at Serpong, West Jakarta. The bombs, containing 150kg of explosives and buried beside a gas pipeline to intensify the destructive effect, were found on Thursday after police rounded up 19 men suspected of a book mail-bombing campaign last month. The bombs were planned to be remotely triggered by a mobile phone yesterday morning. The suspects were arrested in relation to the book bomb attacks, and it was discovered they were also planning to bomb the church, said Ansyaad M'bai, chief of the National Counter-Terrorism Agency (BNPT). Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. Related Coverage a.. Terror cameraman in bomb plot Adelaide Now, 4 hours ago b.. Bomb suspect a tv news cameraman Herald Sun, 12 hours ago c.. Indonesia on high alert Courier Mail, 2 days ago d.. Mosque bomber a follower of Bashir The Australian, 3 days ago e.. Jihadists 'going under radar' The Australian, 4 days ago End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. In Canberra, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade reissued advice for Australian travellers to reconsider your need to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, at this time due to the very high threat of terrorist attack. The advice was originally issued four weeks ago when it was revealed Pakistani security forces had captured the accused 2002 Bali bomber Umar Patek, who is likely to be handed to the Indonesians. Information to Australian authorities indicated terrorist attacks might take place in Indonesia at any time, DFAT said. The US embassy in Jakarta has advised Americans to take special caution over the Easter weekend and avoid street rallies, which can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. Even before the bomb discovery, police in Jakarta and other Javanese centres were braced for possible Islamic mob attacks on Christian congregations at Easter. Jakarta police chiefs reportedly assigned 20,000 officers to secure churches and search for bombs. The find at Serpong came a week after the suicide bombing of a police mosque at Cirebon, West Java, intensifying concern Islamic terrorism had entered a new stage. According to the International Crisis Group, this is characterised by small groups hitting local targets -- police and other state oppressors, Christians and deviant Muslims -- operating independently of, but encouraged by, jihadist organisations. The groups were only detected when members were caught, the ICG said, raising the question of how many similar groups operating under police radar exist that will only come to light when one of their . . . attempts succeeds. General Ansyaad said yesterday that BNPT and Densus 88, the police counter-terrorist unit, were investigating any associations between the suspects in the recent incidents and two jihadist groups, Jemaah Islamiyah and Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid. JI and JAT have dissociated themselves from violent action, although JAT leader Abu Bakar Bashir is on trial charged with planning and funding the al-Qa'ida in Aceh militant training camp. The Cirebon bomber, Muhammad Syarif, has been recognised in a video of a recent JAT demonstration, but police say they have not identified any group involved with him in the mosque attack. Thursday's bomb find prompted an emergency meeting of Dr Yudhoyono's security cabinet. The President has ordered the military and the police, and all other institutions related to terrorism eradication, to co-ordinate on this, the Co-ordinating Minister for Security and Politics, Djoko Suyanto, said afterwards. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email:
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: 65:4. Dan perempuan-perempuan yang tidak haid lagi (monopause) di antara perempuan-perempuanmu jika kamu ragu-ragu (tentang masa iddahnya), maka masa iddah mereka adalah tiga bulan; dan begitu (pula) perempuan-perempuan yang tidak haid. Dan perempuan-perempuan yang hamil, waktu iddah mereka itu ialah sampai mereka melahirkan kandungannya. Dan barang siapa yang bertakwa kepada Allah, niscaya Allah menjadikan baginya kemudahan dalam urusannya. ayat ini udah jelas mengatakan jika pada saat terjadi perceraian bagi perempuan menopause, atau bagi perempuan yang sedang mens ataupun tidak sedang mens, maka masa iddahnya 3 bulan dan kalo perceraiannya terjadi ketika perempuan itu sedang hamil, maka masa iddahnya menunggu sampai perempuan tersebut melahirkan bayinya. nggak ada yang mengatakan tentang pedopil dengan ayat ini. Ayat 65:4 ini bilang bhw cewek yg ga haid itu punya masa iddah 3 bln. Buat yg ga tau, masa iddah itu adalah perioda dimana bini yg dicerai hrs nunggu sebelum bisa menikah lagi. Tapi kalo si bini belum pernah diembat, maka ga perlu nunggu masa iddah, bisa langsung kawin lagi. Artinya, semua cewek yg punya masa iddah itu sdh pernah diembat sebelumnya oleh lakinya. wah.., udah mulai ngayal. elu ngayal bikin arti sendiri bininya belum pernah di entot. sekarang gini aja, bagaimana mungkin lu kawin tapi bininya nggak pernah dientot? jadi istri lu nggak pernah diembat dan cuman dijilatin doang sampe sekarang? gw baru denger ada orang kawin tapi bininya nggak pernah dientot seperti si item muke kontol ini. kesian banget bini lu. hehehe Tafsir bilang bhw, hehhe cewek yg belum mens itu jg termasuk yg dpt masa iddah di 65:4. Artinya, anak2 ingusan yg belum mens itu halal diembat. hehehe sekarang elu ngayalnya makin ngawur lagi. nggak ada ayat tersebut menyinggung masalah anak ingusan yang belum pernah mens. ini kan omongan dari elu sendiri yang emang pikirannya pedopil karena keseringan baca alkitab. si item anjing sipit bawa ayat qs al thalaaq 65:4 dan karena bacanya nggak bener karena matanya kerlalu sipit lalu ngayal sendiri tentang ayat tersebut, bilang ada bininya nggak pernah diembat dan nambahin anak ingusan yang belum mens. padahal, ayat itu sangat jelas membela kepentingan perempuan dengan mengatakan bahwa jika terjadi perceraian maka ada masa iddah selama 3 bulan dan jika sedang hamil maka masa iddahnya sampai kelahiran bayinya. hal ini jelas, jika perempuan tersebut kawin lagi dan mengandung maka tidak terjadi keraguan bahwa anak yang dikandungnya adalah anak dari suami yang baru. gitu aja kok arti bunyinya ayat ini, plain anda simple. Tafsir al-Jalalayn And [as for] those of your women who (read allÄâÄ« or allÄâi in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months â both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter. Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn âAbbâs (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: âO Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?â (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: âwhat is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?â (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well. Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahid (And for such of your women as despair of menstruationâ¦) [65:4]. Said Muqatil: âWhen the verse (Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apartâ¦), Kallad ibn al-Nuâman ibn Qays al-Ansari said: âO Messenger of Allah, what is the waiting period of the woman who does not menstruate and the woman who has not menstruated yet?
[proletar] Re: Outrageous verdict
mau ngentot anak sendiri? mau ngentot bini orang? mau menghina dan menyakiti ibu sendiri? piara aja cabo yang namanya sama dengan ibu sendiri. semuanya hal kelakuan yang nista dan najis ini cuma ada di kristen. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Mau jadi tukang merkosa? Masuk islam aja, hehehe Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt tukang merkosa. From: sunny ambon@... To: Undisclosed-Recipient@... Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 7:58:17 PM Subject: [proletar] Outrageous verdict http://arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article369994.ece Editorial Apr 22, 2011 22:19 Outrageous verdict The acquittal in the Mukhtaran Mai case is a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system The acquittal by Pakistan's Supreme Court of five of the six men charged with raping a girl because her 12-year-old brother had been seeing a girl from their family, has been greeted with outrage around the world. This, however, should not be seen as a new cause for the international women's liberation movement but as a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system. The conviction of one man who took part in the gang-rape was upheld by Pakistan's highest court, but the other five men walked free for, according to the court, lack of evidence. The convicted man saw his death sentence commuted to life imprisonment. There are three important lessons for Pakistan arising from this sordid and deplorable crime. The first is that such punishments are not uncommon in a country where family honor is often paramount. It seems clear that as a result of the friendship between a young boy and a girl from another clan, the elders of that clan decreed the family of the other should be humiliated. It is important to realize this was not just a rape crime. All too often in similar circumstances the victim, weighed down by the shame of what has happened to her, has taken her own life. Therefore ultimately this was a crime of attempted murder. No civilized society should be prepared to tolerate such behavior. The second lesson has been taught by the victim herself, Mukhtaran Mai, an illiterate peasant girl, who instead of taking her own life in the face of her enforced dishonor, bravely chose to take on her rapists and in doing so, the entire Pakistani police and judicial system. She and her family are still being threatened with murder. She still maintains the police never took her statement properly and failed to investigate the crime in an efficient and timely manner. Hence, she says, it could be claimed there was a lack of evidence against all but one of her attackers, even though she was able to identify a number of them. The courts in which she pursued the men who had violated her, also displayed a distinct lack of interest in her evidence, preferring to accept the police claims rather than challenging law officers to demonstrate the effectiveness of their investigation. This is not, however, the disaster that outsiders are claiming it to be. There can be no doubt Pakistan has been shocked by the case. For the majority there is a sense of shame that such violent and degrading behavior can ever take place and frustration that both police and courts have been so slow and reluctant to move against it. Remember this is a crime which took place fully nine years ago. The impact of the case on the authorities is likely to bring about a sea change in official attitudes. Next time that such a heinous crime is brought to the attention of the police, it must be hoped that it will not just be the rapists who are charged, but also the elders who ordered the depraved crime. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Israeli Personalities declare support for Palestinian state
http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/21-04-2011/117658-Israeli_Personalities_declare_support_for_Palestinian_state-0/ Israeli Personalities declare support for Palestinian state 21.04.2011 Dozens of public figures, intellectuals and Israeli academics have signed a statement supporting the creation of a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders, as part of a two-state solution. Signatories must present it on Thursday (21) in front of Independence Hall in Tel Aviv where the architect of the Jewish state, David Ben Gurion, proclaimed Israel's independence in May 1948. In this symbolic act, a letter will be read that was signed by its promoters, who will use the opportunity to ask the public to add their signatures to the document. The Jewish people appeared in the Land of Israel, where they forged their personality. The Palestinian people appeared in the Palestinian territories, where their personality was forged, reads the text of the letter, whose contents are anticipated to appear Wednesday in local media. Among the signatories are at least 20 winners of the Israel Prize, the country's most important, which is awarded annually on Independence Day. The initiative's promoters insist that it is not a matter of a new political plan, but a way of presenting an alternative vision to society as opposed to the official posture of the Israeli executive. ? With agencies ? Translated from the Portuguese version by: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Jail for Koran-burning pastor
Tambahan ajaran Kristen abad ini: mantheng Yesus sampai mati di tiang jemuran belum cukup. Tambah bakar-bakar!! Keknya pemalsuan Al Qur'an belum dianggap mujarab ya? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote: http://www.smh.com.au/world/jail-for-koranburning-pastor-20110423-1ds04.\ html Jail for Koran-burning pastor April 23, 2011 - 2:28PM The US pastor whose burning of a Koran sparked deadly violence in Afghanistan has been briefly jailed in a heavily Islamic suburb after a court banned his protest outside a mosque. A judge jailed pastor Terry Jones of Gainesville, Florida, and his associate, Wayne Sapp, after a court found their planned protest outside the Islamic Centre of America in Dearborn, Michigan, could lead to violence. During his court appearance, Jones argued the Koran promotes terrorist activities around the world. He also insisted his right to protest against Islam was protected by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The First Amendment does us no good if it confines us to saying what is popular, he said. But Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad testified that his department had received information about serious threats made against Jones from residents, arguing that his protest could lead to violence if allowed. Prosecutor Robert Moran argued the protest had nothing to do with the First Amendment and at stake were security and peace in the community. In the end, the jury sided with the prosecution and Judge Mark Somers set bond at the symbolic amount of $1 each for the two pastors, which they initially refused to pay. Following their refusal, both were escorted to jail. But local media reported both men changed their minds after spending about an hour behind bars and posted the $1 bond. Jones and Sapp made international headlines after their ceremonial trial and execution of the Koran by burning led to deadly protests in Afghanistan. Last month's Koran burning unleashed protests across Afghanistan, some of which were violent. Seven UN staff were killed during one protest in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif on April 1. AFP Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/jail-for-koranburning-pastor-20110423-1ds04.\ html#ixzz1KOLmPi6R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: copy paste pemikiran...
atau idolanya profesor calculus yang budeg dan pikun. bedanya profesor calculus pinter kalo jusfiq udah budeg, pikun, bego pula. hehehe... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, suryana gsuryana@... wrote: Huss jangan menghina, jq suka membaca buku komik put on, makanya jadi punya kebiasaan mengulang ngulang tulisannya, dan tidak lupa baca komik rin tin tin dan yang di idola kan si nahkoda nya jadi ajah bisa nya memaki makiselain itu dia mah gak pernah baca lagi, sur. - Original Message - From: rezameutia rezameutia@... bagaimana kalo nggak pernah baca buku, seperti jusfiq? nggak punya pemikiran dong?? :) --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, wawan selarasmilis@ wrote: Pemikiranmu sesungguhnya adalah copy paste... apabila kamu membaca buku2 arab, maka pemikiranmu seperti arabian... apabila kamu membaca buku2 asia tengah, maka pemikiranmu juga mirip asia tengah... Apabila kamu membaca karya orang-orang besar dan terkenal, maka pemikiranmu juga akan seperti mereka... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Jail for Koran-burning pastor
Kamu tbelum baca Al Quran yang berisi kebencian kepada agama laian? Kalau belum baca silakan baca ayat 3: 28 dan 5:51 supaya paham. - Original Message - From: ndeboost To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:19 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Jail for Koran-burning pastor Tambahan ajaran Kristen abad ini: mantheng Yesus sampai mati di tiang jemuran belum cukup. Tambah bakar-bakar!! Keknya pemalsuan Al Qur'an belum dianggap mujarab ya? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote: http://www.smh.com.au/world/jail-for-koranburning-pastor-20110423-1ds04.\ html Jail for Koran-burning pastor April 23, 2011 - 2:28PM The US pastor whose burning of a Koran sparked deadly violence in Afghanistan has been briefly jailed in a heavily Islamic suburb after a court banned his protest outside a mosque. A judge jailed pastor Terry Jones of Gainesville, Florida, and his associate, Wayne Sapp, after a court found their planned protest outside the Islamic Centre of America in Dearborn, Michigan, could lead to violence. During his court appearance, Jones argued the Koran promotes terrorist activities around the world. He also insisted his right to protest against Islam was protected by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The First Amendment does us no good if it confines us to saying what is popular, he said. But Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad testified that his department had received information about serious threats made against Jones from residents, arguing that his protest could lead to violence if allowed. Prosecutor Robert Moran argued the protest had nothing to do with the First Amendment and at stake were security and peace in the community. In the end, the jury sided with the prosecution and Judge Mark Somers set bond at the symbolic amount of $1 each for the two pastors, which they initially refused to pay. Following their refusal, both were escorted to jail. But local media reported both men changed their minds after spending about an hour behind bars and posted the $1 bond. Jones and Sapp made international headlines after their ceremonial trial and execution of the Koran by burning led to deadly protests in Afghanistan. Last month's Koran burning unleashed protests across Afghanistan, some of which were violent. Seven UN staff were killed during one protest in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif on April 1. AFP Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/jail-for-koranburning-pastor-20110423-1ds04.\ html#ixzz1KOLmPi6R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Alert after foiled attack on Jakarta church
Siaga cari duitt - Original Message - From: ndeboost To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:13 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Alert after foiled attack on Jakarta church Yang kek ginikah yg namanya Siaga-1? Indonesian security forces are on high alert --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, sunny ambon@... wrote: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/alert-after-foiled-attack-on-\ jakarta-church/story-e6frg6so-1226043490868 Alert after foiled attack on Jakarta church Peter Alford, Jakarta Correspondent From: The Australian April 23, 2011 12:00AM AUSTRALIANS have been warned after a bomb plot was uncovered. Indonesian security forces are on high alert and Australia has warned travellers of the very high threat of terrorist attack after the foiling of a Good Friday bomb plot against a Catholic church. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono ordered security forces on to the highest level of vigilance over Easter following the discovery of five bombs beside Christ Cathedral at Serpong, West Jakarta. The bombs, containing 150kg of explosives and buried beside a gas pipeline to intensify the destructive effect, were found on Thursday after police rounded up 19 men suspected of a book mail-bombing campaign last month. The bombs were planned to be remotely triggered by a mobile phone yesterday morning. The suspects were arrested in relation to the book bomb attacks, and it was discovered they were also planning to bomb the church, said Ansyaad M'bai, chief of the National Counter-Terrorism Agency (BNPT). Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. Related Coverage a.. Terror cameraman in bomb plot Adelaide Now, 4 hours ago b.. Bomb suspect a tv news cameraman Herald Sun, 12 hours ago c.. Indonesia on high alert Courier Mail, 2 days ago d.. Mosque bomber a follower of Bashir The Australian, 3 days ago e.. Jihadists 'going under radar' The Australian, 4 days ago End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. In Canberra, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade reissued advice for Australian travellers to reconsider your need to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, at this time due to the very high threat of terrorist attack. The advice was originally issued four weeks ago when it was revealed Pakistani security forces had captured the accused 2002 Bali bomber Umar Patek, who is likely to be handed to the Indonesians. Information to Australian authorities indicated terrorist attacks might take place in Indonesia at any time, DFAT said. The US embassy in Jakarta has advised Americans to take special caution over the Easter weekend and avoid street rallies, which can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. Even before the bomb discovery, police in Jakarta and other Javanese centres were braced for possible Islamic mob attacks on Christian congregations at Easter. Jakarta police chiefs reportedly assigned 20,000 officers to secure churches and search for bombs. The find at Serpong came a week after the suicide bombing of a police mosque at Cirebon, West Java, intensifying concern Islamic terrorism had entered a new stage. According to the International Crisis Group, this is characterised by small groups hitting local targets -- police and other state oppressors, Christians and deviant Muslims -- operating independently of, but encouraged by, jihadist organisations. The groups were only detected when members were caught, the ICG said, raising the question of how many similar groups operating under police radar exist that will only come to light when one of their . . . attempts succeeds. General Ansyaad said yesterday that BNPT and Densus 88, the police counter-terrorist unit, were investigating any associations between the suspects in the recent incidents and two jihadist groups, Jemaah Islamiyah and Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid. JI and JAT have dissociated themselves from violent action, although JAT leader Abu Bakar Bashir is on trial charged with planning and funding the al-Qa'ida in Aceh militant training camp. The Cirebon bomber, Muhammad Syarif, has been recognised in a video of a recent JAT demonstration, but police say they have not identified any group involved with him in the mosque attack. Thursday's bomb find prompted an emergency meeting of Dr Yudhoyono's security cabinet. The President has ordered the military and the police, and all other institutions related to terrorism eradication, to co-ordinate on this, the Co-ordinating Minister for Security and Politics, Djoko Suyanto, said afterwards. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe... apa di Alkitab tertulis si item abu ngencukin anak sendiri? Gua punya anak aja kagak, jadi gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri? ooo..., karena lu belum punya anak, kalo gitu lu pasti piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu lu sendiri dong. siapa nama cabo yang elu piara? Si rezameutia ini emang betul2 brulyan dlm nunjukin betapa bejad dirinya, udah ngefitnah secara ga tau malu, lalu ngaku ga pernah ngefitnah secara ga tau malu. Betul2 contoh yg baik dr orang islam yg soleh dan bertaqwa. nggak gitu lah orang islam. orang kristen diajarin untuk berbohong, fitnah, berkhianat, piara cabo sama lah seperti kelakuan jesus dan muridnya yang pengecut sialan dan tidak bertanggung jawab itu. jadi kalo gw ketemu orang kristen taat kayak elu, ya gw udah maklum dan memahami bahwa orang kayak elu akan berbohong, berkhianat, piara cabo sama seperti kelakuan jesus dan muridnya. gitu aja kok From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:28:39 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. gw nggak fitnah. itu ada tertulis di alkitab. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. makin keliatan kan, orang kristen bego kalo udah nggak bisa debat lagi langsung dah oot sambil ngacir terkaing-kaing dan langsung ngeloco untuk memuaskan diri sendiri. biasalah itu tipikal kristen bego. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... si anjing sipit lagi ngacir terkaing-kaing sambil menggonggong dan berdusta, persis seperti muridnya tuhan jesus yang ngacir terkaing-kaing dan berdusta ketika tuhan jesus disalib. hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. =Berapa tahun baca alkitab?berapa tahun memeluk agama kresten? apakah anda pendatang baru?apakah anda memang sejak dilahirkan sudah beragama kresten? Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak
Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi
Ngerayain Jumat Agung? =Saya juga kurang faham tapi inikan sama dengan hari kenaikan isa almasih atau?'' Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? =Pikir saya kita juga harus merayakan karena dihari itu jesus pergi ke suatu tempat antah berantah. Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. =Tidak mungkin jesus bernasib sial,bukan nya begitu lahir bisa bicara?' bisa jalan di atas air?'bisa hidupkan orang mati? bisa menyembuh kan orang sakit? tentu disini kematian di tiang salib bukan ukuran nya --- On Sat, 4/23/11, ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com wrote: From: ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com Subject: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM Ngerayain Jumat Agung? Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ wrote: Suara guitar nya bikin saya terhanyut...hilang seperti kunjungan ksebuah musium besar dimana yang dipamerkan ber-gerak2..Ooooh orgasme Compay Segundo live at L'Olympia in Paris, France. Directed by Patrick Savey; 1999. http://youtu.be/9IXzwmKTY78 Segundo si legenda.. Tambahin dengan hitnya bersama bluesman kelahiran Aljazair yah, itung-itung ngrayain Jum'at Agung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysRWoTCyw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi
Mungkin itu yang dimaksudkan. Dalam Al Quran 3:55 ada disebutkan Allah mengangkat Isa pada harri kematiannya. - Original Message - From: Led Zeppelin To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Ngerayain Jumat Agung? =Saya juga kurang faham tapi inikan sama dengan hari kenaikan isa almasih atau?'' Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? =Pikir saya kita juga harus merayakan karena dihari itu jesus pergi ke suatu tempat antah berantah. Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. =Tidak mungkin jesus bernasib sial,bukan nya begitu lahir bisa bicara?' bisa jalan di atas air?'bisa hidupkan orang mati? bisa menyembuh kan orang sakit? tentu disini kematian di tiang salib bukan ukuran nya --- On Sat, 4/23/11, ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com wrote: From: ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com Subject: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM Ngerayain Jumat Agung? Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ wrote: Suara guitar nya bikin saya terhanyut...hilang seperti kunjungan ksebuah musium besar dimana yang dipamerkan ber-gerak2..Ooooh orgasme Compay Segundo live at L'Olympia in Paris, France. Directed by Patrick Savey; 1999. http://youtu.be/9IXzwmKTY78 Segundo si legenda.. Tambahin dengan hitnya bersama bluesman kelahiran Aljazair yah, itung-itung ngrayain Jum'at Agung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysRWoTCyw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ada yang ingat lagu sunda dibawah ini ? ( kang Abbas )
ini linknya Karatagan Pahlawan, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr_lW1kN7U8 Teu hon cewang sumoreang tekadna pahlawan Bangsa Cadu mundur pantrang mulang mun maksud ta can laksana Berjuang keur lemah cai lali rabi tur tega pati Ta ya basa menta pamulang tarima ikhlas rido keur korban merdeka Sinatria dana laga bela Bangsa jeung Nagara Dibarengan tekad suci berjuang keur lemah cai Teu ngingetkeun ka dirina asal Nagri, Bangsa waluya Bisa jembar merdeka mukti wibawa jasa tujuan pahlawan Bangsa --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, suryana gsuryana@... wrote: Ada yang ingat Lagu ini ?, ditahun 70 an suka dinyanyiin anak sd dan smp asoy pisan, sekarang ada penerusnya gak yah ? http://youtu.be/FyktsGId8rA. sur. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi
Hahaha...lucu emang liat dua kelompok penganut agama ini yg saling menista satu sama lainbenar2 contoh bagus orang bertuhan...hwakakak -Original Message- From: sunny am...@tele2.se Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 02:43:20 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Mungkin itu yang dimaksudkan. Dalam Al Quran 3:55 ada disebutkan Allah mengangkat Isa pada harri kematiannya. - Original Message - From: Led Zeppelin To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Ngerayain Jumat Agung? =Saya juga kurang faham tapi inikan sama dengan hari kenaikan isa almasih atau?'' Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? =Pikir saya kita juga harus merayakan karena dihari itu jesus pergi ke suatu tempat antah berantah. Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. =Tidak mungkin jesus bernasib sial,bukan nya begitu lahir bisa bicara?' bisa jalan di atas air?'bisa hidupkan orang mati? bisa menyembuh kan orang sakit? tentu disini kematian di tiang salib bukan ukuran nya --- On Sat, 4/23/11, ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com wrote: From: ndeboost rambitese...@rocketmail.com Subject: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM Ngerayain Jumat Agung? Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ wrote: Suara guitar nya bikin saya terhanyut...hilang seperti kunjungan ksebuah musium besar dimana yang dipamerkan ber-gerak2..Ooooh orgasme Compay Segundo live at L'Olympia in Paris, France. Directed by Patrick Savey; 1999. http://youtu.be/9IXzwmKTY78 Segundo si legenda.. Tambahin dengan hitnya bersama bluesman kelahiran Aljazair yah, itung-itung ngrayain Jum'at Agung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysRWoTCyw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: Yemen president agrees Gulf plan to resign
Middle East Yemen president agrees Gulf plan to resign Aide to Ali Abdullah Saleh says leader has agreed to step down under a 30-day transition plan after weeks of protests. Last Modified: 23 Apr 2011 23:07 Anti-government protesters have been demanding the resignation of Yemen's president for weeks [Reuters] Yemen's embattled president Ali Abdullah Saleh has agreed to a deal by Gulf Arab mediators that would lead to a transition of power in the country after weeks of anti-government protests. Tariq Shami, a presidential aide, told Al Jazeera on Saturday that the president had agreed in principle to a proposal from the Gulf Co-operation Council (GCC) for him to step down. The GCC plan would see Saleh submit his resignation to parliament within 30 days, with a presidential vote to be held within two months. Shami said the opposition must first agree to the deal in order for Saleh to accept the plan. The president has agreed and accepted the initiative of the GCC, he said. The transition of power in Yemen will take some time. It needs an agreement between the national powers and the opposition at the same time. This thing will happen within 60 days if we have an agreement. The White House welcomed Saturday a plan for Yemen's longtime President Ali Abdullah Saleh to step down, urging all sides to swiftly implement a peaceful transfer of power. We applaud the announcements by the Yemeni Government and the opposition that they have accepted the GCC-brokered agreement to resolve the political crisis in a peaceful and orderly manner, said Jay Carney, White House spokesman. Mohammed Qahtan, an opposition spokesman, told Al Jazeera that the opposition parties also welcome the deal. He said a basis of trust is lacking for the opposition to join a national unity government, but he said the opposition would start a conversation regardless. The vice-president will take over for a certain period and then we will see what happens, he said. 'Civil war' Saleh, who has ruled the country for more than three decades, has been under pressure to step down ever since anti-government protests began several weeks ago. Click here for more of our special coverage On Saturday, the president accused the opposition of dragging the country into a civil war, as Yemenis boarded up their shops and businesses across the country in protest against his rule. In a speech in Sanaa, the capital, he called on Yemen's young people to form a political party according to the constitution and said the Arab state would not accept any tutelage whatsoever, without giving further details. They [the opposition] want to drag the area to civil war and we refuse to be dragged to civil war, Saleh said. Security, safety and stability are in Yemen's interests and the interests of the region. The developments came a day after opponents and supporters of the Yemeni president flooded the streets of Sanaa, the capital, and the southern city of Taiz to stage rival demonstrations. Protesters demanding that Saleh resign dubbed the day Last Chance Friday, while pro-government demonstrators called it Reconciliation Friday. The weekly day of communal prayers for Muslims has in recent weeks become an occasion for rival political rallies. Framework of constitution Amen al-Basha, the chairperson of the Arab Sisters Forum for Human Rights and a pro-democracy activist, told Al Jazeera that Saleh's regime has lost the trust [of Yemenis]. It is the desire of the people, it is the will of the people, for Ali Abdullah Saleh to step down immediately, she said. Pro-democracy protesters would not accept any plan that did not include this provision, she said. Parliamentary opposition groups and Saleh's government had been mulling over the GCC plan under which Saleh would step down 30 days after the formation of a national unity government, but some protesters in Sanaa have said they reject such a plan. Neighbouring countries; no negotiations, no dialogue, read posters carried by anti-government demonstrators, apparently referring to the GCC plan, under which Saleh would transfer powers to Abdrabuh Mansur Hadi, the country's vice-president. The Peaceful Youth Revolt, a group that has helped organise protests against Saleh's government, issued a statement rejecting the GCC initiative, saying it does not include Saleh's immediate ouster, and provides safeguards to him, his family and aides who are all killers. The plan formulated by Gulf Arab mediators calling for a three-month transition that would end with a presidential election was made public on Thursday by a government official. According to the plan, a unity government led by the opposition would work to organise presidential elections within two months of Saleh's resignation. Saleh's term runs until 2013. Saleh, who has been in power since 1978, has faced protests since late January calling for his departure that have cost more
[proletar] ArabNews: Elected: In America, not at home
Elected: In America, not at home By ARAB NEWS Published: Apr 23, 2011 22:30 Updated: Apr 23, 2011 22:30 JEDDAH: In stark contrast to their inability to participate in limited elections, much less run for office, Saudi women on scholarship to the US can do both. A local newspaper reported Friday that five student organizations in US universities elected Saudi women as their presidents. The newly elected president of Saudi Student Club at the University of North Carolina, Najla Baraseen, told the paper she was inspired to run for the club's presidency during a recent event on campus. In the beginning, I was a bit nervous, she said. However during the university's International Day Celebrations I learned a lot. Living abroad reveals a lot about a person's personality, because there are no social, or religious pressures. She told the daily she got all support from her fellow students at the university. Everyone was asking if I needed anything to make Saudi Arabia's exhibit successful, she said. There were those who stood at the Saudi booth. There were also those who walked around the hall wearing Saudi traditional dress as a promotion. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi
Itulah akibat kalau agama dianggap bukan sebagai sesuatu yang bersifat pribadi di mana orang lain tidak berhak campur tangan dan kita juga tidak berhak mencampuri urusan pribadi orang lain. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, widura a.widura@... wrote: Hahaha...lucu emang liat dua kelompok penganut agama ini yg saling menista satu sama lainbenar2 contoh bagus orang bertuhan...hwakakak -Original Message- From: sunny ambon@... Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 02:43:20 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Mungkin itu yang dimaksudkan. Dalam Al Quran 3:55 ada disebutkan Allah mengangkat Isa pada harri kematiannya. - Original Message - From: Led Zeppelin To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Ngerayain Jumat Agung? =Saya juga kurang faham tapi inikan sama dengan hari kenaikan isa almasih atau?'' Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? =Pikir saya kita juga harus merayakan karena dihari itu jesus pergi ke suatu tempat antah berantah. Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. =Tidak mungkin jesus bernasib sial,bukan nya begitu lahir bisa bicara?' bisa jalan di atas air?'bisa hidupkan orang mati? bisa menyembuh kan orang sakit? tentu disini kematian di tiang salib bukan ukuran nya --- On Sat, 4/23/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@... wrote: From: ndeboost rambitesemak@... Subject: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM Ngerayain Jumat Agung? Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@ wrote: --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ wrote: Suara guitar nya bikin saya terhanyut...hilang seperti kunjungan ksebuah musium besar dimana yang dipamerkan ber-gerak2..Ooooh orgasme Compay Segundo live at L'Olympia in Paris, France. Directed by Patrick Savey; 1999. http://youtu.be/9IXzwmKTY78 Segundo si legenda.. Tambahin dengan hitnya bersama bluesman kelahiran Aljazair yah, itung-itung ngrayain Jum'at Agung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysRWoTCyw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi
Kita bisa saksikan kelakuan orang2 bertuhan ini dengan gamblang dan jelas dalam aksi2 mereka...hehehe...hanya merusak nurani saja -Original Message- From: Teddy S. ted...@gmail.com Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 02:16:39 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Itulah akibat kalau agama dianggap bukan sebagai sesuatu yang bersifat pribadi di mana orang lain tidak berhak campur tangan dan kita juga tidak berhak mencampuri urusan pribadi orang lain. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, widura a.widura@... wrote: Hahaha...lucu emang liat dua kelompok penganut agama ini yg saling menista satu sama lainbenar2 contoh bagus orang bertuhan...hwakakak -Original Message- From: sunny ambon@... Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 02:43:20 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Mungkin itu yang dimaksudkan. Dalam Al Quran 3:55 ada disebutkan Allah mengangkat Isa pada harri kematiannya. - Original Message - From: Led Zeppelin To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Ngerayain Jumat Agung? =Saya juga kurang faham tapi inikan sama dengan hari kenaikan isa almasih atau?'' Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? =Pikir saya kita juga harus merayakan karena dihari itu jesus pergi ke suatu tempat antah berantah. Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. =Tidak mungkin jesus bernasib sial,bukan nya begitu lahir bisa bicara?' bisa jalan di atas air?'bisa hidupkan orang mati? bisa menyembuh kan orang sakit? tentu disini kematian di tiang salib bukan ukuran nya --- On Sat, 4/23/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@... wrote: From: ndeboost rambitesemak@... Subject: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM Ngerayain Jumat Agung? Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@ wrote: --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ wrote: Suara guitar nya bikin saya terhanyut...hilang seperti kunjungan ksebuah musium besar dimana yang dipamerkan ber-gerak2..Ooooh orgasme Compay Segundo live at L'Olympia in Paris, France. Directed by Patrick Savey; 1999. http://youtu.be/9IXzwmKTY78 Segundo si legenda.. Tambahin dengan hitnya bersama bluesman kelahiran Aljazair yah, itung-itung ngrayain Jum'at Agung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysRWoTCyw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Jazz/afro cuba
Jazz Kuba memang nggak sah tanpa ketipung conga, bongo, dan perangkat perkusi lain =Oh juga marakas bersuara mirip;batok kelapa diisi pasir , seperti mainan anak Meksiko yang barusan lewat JKT ini, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtgNHnF7CYI =Kalau ini jelas ''elektrico mariachi'' me still alone me drinkin the rum begin to think that the boat no come american girl she tell a lie she say till then, but she mean goodbye hehe.. jadi keinget anak krempuan Antillen yang kulitnya warna tembaga.. =Doeloe tetangga dekat rumah ibu saya Om bondan namanya,senior redaksi koran Pos kota,anak prempuan nya semua ada 6 orangcantik2 sekali mungkin karena bu bondan cantik;jadi ke 6 anak nya ikut cantik dan 'kreol' pula berkulit copper/tembaga luar biasa cantik kalau terkena matahari saya kira anak gadis mereka itu paling cantik se kby-baru waktu itu. --- On Thu, 4/21/11, ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ajeg ajegil...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Jazz/afro cuba To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 8:10 PM --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@... wrote: Saya tiap kali mendengat kan musik yang berbau jazz selalu teringat dengan tone dari karibia sekitar ada sebagian orang bilang jazz itu bukan dari New orleans yang banyak tertulis..di sejarah musik saat ini tapi berasal dari kumpulan musik2 cuba yang banyak itu. la juma de ayer/kemarin yang memabuk kan http://youtu.be/_X91P0dYKs4 Sedap! Jazz Kuba memang nggak sah tanpa ketipung conga, bongo, dan perangkat perkusi lain, seperti mainan anak Meksiko yang barusan lewat JKT ini, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtgNHnF7CYI me still alone me drinkin the rum begin to think that the boat no come american girl she tell a lie she say till then, but she mean goodbye hehe.. jadi keinget anak krempuan Antillen yang kulitnya warna tembaga.. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi
Namanya juga manusia yang punya banyak kelemahan-kelemahan. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, widura a.widura@... wrote: Kita bisa saksikan kelakuan orang2 bertuhan ini dengan gamblang dan jelas dalam aksi2 mereka...hehehe...hanya merusak nurani saja -Original Message- From: Teddy S. teddyr@... Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 02:16:39 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Itulah akibat kalau agama dianggap bukan sebagai sesuatu yang bersifat pribadi di mana orang lain tidak berhak campur tangan dan kita juga tidak berhak mencampuri urusan pribadi orang lain. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, widura a.widura@ wrote: Hahaha...lucu emang liat dua kelompok penganut agama ini yg saling menista satu sama lainbenar2 contoh bagus orang bertuhan...hwakakak -Original Message- From: sunny ambon@ Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 02:43:20 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Mungkin itu yang dimaksudkan. Dalam Al Quran 3:55 ada disebutkan Allah mengangkat Isa pada harri kematiannya. - Original Message - From: Led Zeppelin To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi Ngerayain Jumat Agung? =Saya juga kurang faham tapi inikan sama dengan hari kenaikan isa almasih atau?'' Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? =Pikir saya kita juga harus merayakan karena dihari itu jesus pergi ke suatu tempat antah berantah. Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. =Tidak mungkin jesus bernasib sial,bukan nya begitu lahir bisa bicara?' bisa jalan di atas air?'bisa hidupkan orang mati? bisa menyembuh kan orang sakit? tentu disini kematian di tiang salib bukan ukuran nya --- On Sat, 4/23/11, ndeboost rambitesemak@ wrote: From: ndeboost rambitesemak@ Subject: [proletar] Re: kalau maestro bernyanyi To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 5:11 PM Ngerayain Jumat Agung? Apanya yg agung? Kedustaan alias kebohongan? Hanya Paulus pengikutnya yg percaya Rasul Yesus a.s di pantheng ditiang jemuran. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@ wrote: --- Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ wrote: Suara guitar nya bikin saya terhanyut...hilang seperti kunjungan ksebuah musium besar dimana yang dipamerkan ber-gerak2..Ooooh orgasme Compay Segundo live at L'Olympia in Paris, France. Directed by Patrick Savey; 1999. http://youtu.be/9IXzwmKTY78 Segundo si legenda.. Tambahin dengan hitnya bersama bluesman kelahiran Aljazair yah, itung-itung ngrayain Jum'at Agung, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLysRWoTCyw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] New concerns for women?
Islam udah ada 14 abad, ternyata tetap aja ga beres. Kalo itu emang betul hukum auloh yg ngatur segala aspek kehidupan spt yg diklaim orang Islam, hrsnya udah ga ada lagi masalah sosial sejak 14 abad yg lalu. Nyatanya, masalah sosial di negara Islam itu justru jauh lebih parah dibandingkan dgn di negara lain. Artinya, hukum Islam itu ga lebih dr sampah doang. From: sunny am...@tele2.se To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 5:45:05 AM Subject: [proletar] New concerns for women? http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2011/1044/fe1.htm 21 - 27 April 2011 Issue No. 1044 Features Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875 New concerns for women? Should women be concerned about their rights after the revolution, asks Dena Rashed -- Click to view caption I shall remain free -- It doesn't take a long conversation before one hears the phrase, women in Egypt have enough rights. What more do they want? This is a question that is often heard in conversations with some men, often when women are discussing their lacking rights. However, over the past few weeks the question has been given a new urgency in the light of news that some voices have been calling for a review of certain laws that concern women. Debates in the media have included the right of divorced parents to have access to their children, khul' -- the right of a woman to divorce without her husband's consent if she forgoes her financial rights -- and the quota of women in parliament. Since Egypt has become more accustomed to demonstrations since the 25 January Revolution, it was less surprising when divorced husbands took to the streets to demonstrate some weeks ago in order to demand changes in the law that would allow them to see more of their children. Their main demand was to change the law that allows divorced husbands to see their children but not to have custody of them. Women's and mothers' NGOs responded by stressing mothers' rights, warning of attempts to take away existing rights. It has been particularly alarming over recent weeks that laws governing the rights of women have been dubbed Suzanne's laws, in reference to the wife of former president Hosni Mubarak. Nihad Abul-Qomsan, head of the Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights (NCWR), is one activist who has been feeling that women are being excluded from the revolution and even being asked to step aside. She believes that the debate on changing the rights of divorced husbands is meant as a blow to the whole personal status law, as she told Al-Ahram Weekly in an interview. If we want to provide a decent environment for men, then we have to do the same for women. There is definitely a problem with the law providing the right of divorced fathers to see their children, since mothers have custody of the children until the latter are 15. At the same time, the law does not provide mothers with an efficient way to attain alimony for their children. As a result, we have mothers with children but no money available from the father's side, so mothers end up having a grudge against the father, Abul-Qomsan said. The state, she says, has abdicated its responsibility in this area, letting society handle it in the way it thinks fit and making alimony something that a woman has to struggle for on a personal basis. When matters are like this, we can't just ask for a certain part of the law to be changed and leave the rest. The revolution didn't arrive to abolish women's rights, which is why we need a clear statement from the Military Council stressing the protection of women's rights. Abul-Qomsan said that certain Islamist forces could be using women's rights as an entry point into political debate, particularly when the country as a whole is busy with political arrangements. Women, she says, have been largely excluded from the new cabinet and from the constitutional committee that framed the recent constitutional amendments. There are also concerns over khul'. Over the past few years, and especially after the khul' law in 2000, this has been seen as a victory for women by many people rather than as a right long granted by Islam. Abul-Qomsan believes that voices now calling for a review of the khul' law want women to return to the situation before the law was passed. In the absence of reliable statistics on cases of khul', Abul-Qomsan believes that many people may be under the impression that many women resort to this law, which is not in fact the case. People need to know that the majority of divorce cases do not employ khul ', she says. If society hasn't been able to accept khul' more than 10 years after its inception, this means that government, education and the media have not played their proper role in showing that this right is important to
Re: [proletar] Jail for Koran-burning pastor
Hehehe konyolnya, si pastor itu dipenjara cuma krn mau demo doang, demonya aja belum dikasih ijin. Jadi si pastor dihukum sebelum si pastor melakukan apa2. Ini baru di pengadilan dhimmi yg terkencing2 di depan orang Islam. Kalo ada pengdilan shariah, hehehe ga usah melakukan apa2 selain ga mau masuk Islam aja berarti ngelawan Islam dan hrs dihukum. From: sunny am...@tele2.se To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 6:29:30 AM Subject: [proletar] Jail for Koran-burning pastor http://www.smh.com.au/world/jail-for-koranburning-pastor-20110423-1ds04.html Jail for Koran-burning pastor April 23, 2011 - 2:28PM The US pastor whose burning of a Koran sparked deadly violence in Afghanistan has been briefly jailed in a heavily Islamic suburb after a court banned his protest outside a mosque. A judge jailed pastor Terry Jones of Gainesville, Florida, and his associate, Wayne Sapp, after a court found their planned protest outside the Islamic Centre of America in Dearborn, Michigan, could lead to violence. During his court appearance, Jones argued the Koran promotes terrorist activities around the world. He also insisted his right to protest against Islam was protected by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. The First Amendment does us no good if it confines us to saying what is popular, he said. But Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad testified that his department had received information about serious threats made against Jones from residents, arguing that his protest could lead to violence if allowed. Prosecutor Robert Moran argued the protest had nothing to do with the First Amendment and at stake were security and peace in the community. In the end, the jury sided with the prosecution and Judge Mark Somers set bond at the symbolic amount of $1 each for the two pastors, which they initially refused to pay. Following their refusal, both were escorted to jail. But local media reported both men changed their minds after spending about an hour behind bars and posted the $1 bond. Jones and Sapp made international headlines after their ceremonial trial and execution of the Koran by burning led to deadly protests in Afghanistan. Last month's Koran burning unleashed protests across Afghanistan, some of which were violent. Seven UN staff were killed during one protest in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif on April 1. AFP Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/jail-for-koranburning-pastor-20110423-1ds04.html#ixzz1KOLmPi6R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
Gua cukup ngeluarin tafsir yg bilang dgn jelas anak ingusan yg blm mens itu hrs dpt masa iddah yg berarti si anak yg blm mens itu udah pernah diembat sebelumnya. Silakan aja orang Islam yg merasa lebih pintar dr yg bikin tafsir kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 7:14:46 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: 65:4. Dan perempuan-perempuan yang tidak haid lagi (monopause) di antara perempuan-perempuanmu jika kamu ragu-ragu (tentang masa iddahnya), maka masa iddah mereka adalah tiga bulan; dan begitu (pula) perempuan-perempuan yang tidak haid. Dan perempuan-perempuan yang hamil, waktu iddah mereka itu ialah sampai mereka melahirkan kandungannya. Dan barang siapa yang bertakwa kepada Allah, niscaya Allah menjadikan baginya kemudahan dalam urusannya. ayat ini udah jelas mengatakan jika pada saat terjadi perceraian bagi perempuan menopause, atau bagi perempuan yang sedang mens ataupun tidak sedang mens, maka masa iddahnya 3 bulan dan kalo perceraiannya terjadi ketika perempuan itu sedang hamil, maka masa iddahnya menunggu sampai perempuan tersebut melahirkan bayinya. nggak ada yang mengatakan tentang pedopil dengan ayat ini. Ayat 65:4 ini bilang bhw cewek yg ga haid itu punya masa iddah 3 bln. Buat yg ga tau, masa iddah itu adalah perioda dimana bini yg dicerai hrs nunggu sebelum bisa menikah lagi. Tapi kalo si bini belum pernah diembat, maka ga perlu nunggu masa iddah, bisa langsung kawin lagi. Artinya, semua cewek yg punya masa iddah itu sdh pernah diembat sebelumnya oleh lakinya. wah.., udah mulai ngayal. elu ngayal bikin arti sendiri bininya belum pernah di entot. sekarang gini aja, bagaimana mungkin lu kawin tapi bininya nggak pernah dientot? jadi istri lu nggak pernah diembat dan cuman dijilatin doang sampe sekarang? gw baru denger ada orang kawin tapi bininya nggak pernah dientot seperti si item muke kontol ini. kesian banget bini lu. hehehe Tafsir bilang bhw, hehhe cewek yg belum mens itu jg termasuk yg dpt masa iddah di 65:4. Artinya, anak2 ingusan yg belum mens itu halal diembat. hehehe sekarang elu ngayalnya makin ngawur lagi. nggak ada ayat tersebut menyinggung masalah anak ingusan yang belum pernah mens. ini kan omongan dari elu sendiri yang emang pikirannya pedopil karena keseringan baca alkitab. si item anjing sipit bawa ayat qs al thalaaq 65:4 dan karena bacanya nggak bener karena matanya kerlalu sipit lalu ngayal sendiri tentang ayat tersebut, bilang ada bininya nggak pernah diembat dan nambahin anak ingusan yang belum mens. padahal, ayat itu sangat jelas membela kepentingan perempuan dengan mengatakan bahwa jika terjadi perceraian maka ada masa iddah selama 3 bulan dan jika sedang hamil maka masa iddahnya sampai kelahiran bayinya. hal ini jelas, jika perempuan tersebut kawin lagi dan mengandung maka tidak terjadi keraguan bahwa anak yang dikandungnya adalah anak dari suami yang baru. gitu aja kok arti bunyinya ayat ini, plain anda simple. Tafsir al-Jalalayn And [as for] those of your women who (read all�’ī or all�’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months †both cases apply to other than those whose spouses have died; for these [latter] their period is prescribed in the verse: they shall wait by themselves for four months and ten [days] [Q. 2:234]. And those who are pregnant, their term, the conclusion of their prescribed [waiting] period if divorced or if their spouses be dead, shall be when they deliver. And whoever fears God, He will make matters ease for him, in this world and in the Hereafter. Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs (And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?� (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?� (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
Si rezameutia ini udah jadi tukang fitnah yg ga tau malu, tp masih ngaku ga pernah ngefitnah. Lalu nambah dosa dgn fitnah baru. Ini tipikal Islam koq, tukang fitnah. Gua selalu bilang bhw orang Islam itu bejad, masuk ke milis borjuis ini dan ketemu orang baru, ternyata, hehehe emang ga salah koq apa yg gua bilang. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 7:32:56 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe... apa di Alkitab tertulis si item abu ngencukin anak sendiri? Gua punya anak aja kagak, jadi gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri? ooo..., karena lu belum punya anak, kalo gitu lu pasti piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu lu sendiri dong. siapa nama cabo yang elu piara? Si rezameutia ini emang betul2 brulyan dlm nunjukin betapa bejad dirinya, udah ngefitnah secara ga tau malu, lalu ngaku ga pernah ngefitnah secara ga tau malu. Betul2 contoh yg baik dr orang islam yg soleh dan bertaqwa. nggak gitu lah orang islam. orang kristen diajarin untuk berbohong, fitnah, berkhianat, piara cabo sama lah seperti kelakuan jesus dan muridnya yang pengecut sialan dan tidak bertanggung jawab itu. jadi kalo gw ketemu orang kristen taat kayak elu, ya gw udah maklum dan memahami bahwa orang kayak elu akan berbohong, berkhianat, piara cabo sama seperti kelakuan jesus dan muridnya. gitu aja kok From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 3:28:39 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. gw nggak fitnah. itu ada tertulis di alkitab. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. makin keliatan kan, orang kristen bego kalo udah nggak bisa debat lagi langsung dah oot sambil ngacir terkaing-kaing dan langsung ngeloco untuk memuaskan diri sendiri. biasalah itu tipikal kristen bego. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... si anjing sipit lagi ngacir terkaing-kaing sambil menggonggong dan berdusta, persis seperti muridnya tuhan jesus yang ngacir terkaing-kaing dan berdusta ketika tuhan jesus disalib. hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn
Re: [proletar] Re: Outrageous verdict
Hehehe ocehan si rezameutia ini tentunya dibaca si suryana krn si suryana ga ngeblok posting si rezameutia. Uenaknya saling jilat pantat antara suryana dan orang2 islam, hehehe... Kalo gua sih, orang kayak si reza meutia ini kalo gua suruh anjing gua ngegigit jg gua ogah, krn bikin najis anjing gua. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 7:18:00 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Outrageous verdict mau ngentot anak sendiri? mau ngentot bini orang? mau menghina dan menyakiti ibu sendiri? piara aja cabo yang namanya sama dengan ibu sendiri. semuanya hal kelakuan yang nista dan najis ini cuma ada di kristen. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Mau jadi tukang merkosa? Masuk islam aja, hehehe Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt tukang merkosa. From: sunny ambon@... To: Undisclosed-Recipient@... Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 7:58:17 PM Subject: [proletar] Outrageous verdict http://arabnews.com/opinion/editorial/article369994.ece Editorial Apr 22, 2011 22:19 Outrageous verdict The acquittal in the Mukhtaran Mai case is a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system The acquittal by Pakistan's Supreme Court of five of the six men charged with raping a girl because her 12-year-old brother had been seeing a girl from their family, has been greeted with outrage around the world. This, however, should not be seen as a new cause for the international women's liberation movement but as a blow to Pakistan itself and to its legal system. The conviction of one man who took part in the gang-rape was upheld by Pakistan's highest court, but the other five men walked free for, according to the court, lack of evidence. The convicted man saw his death sentence commuted to life imprisonment. There are three important lessons for Pakistan arising from this sordid and deplorable crime. The first is that such punishments are not uncommon in a country where family honor is often paramount. It seems clear that as a result of the friendship between a young boy and a girl from another clan, the elders of that clan decreed the family of the other should be humiliated. It is important to realize this was not just a rape crime. All too often in similar circumstances the victim, weighed down by the shame of what has happened to her, has taken her own life. Therefore ultimately this was a crime of attempted murder. No civilized society should be prepared to tolerate such behavior. The second lesson has been taught by the victim herself, Mukhtaran Mai, an illiterate peasant girl, who instead of taking her own life in the face of her enforced dishonor, bravely chose to take on her rapists and in doing so, the entire Pakistani police and judicial system. She and her family are still being threatened with murder. She still maintains the police never took her statement properly and failed to investigate the crime in an efficient and timely manner. Hence, she says, it could be claimed there was a lack of evidence against all but one of her attackers, even though she was able to identify a number of them. The courts in which she pursued the men who had violated her, also displayed a distinct lack of interest in her evidence, preferring to accept the police claims rather than challenging law officers to demonstrate the effectiveness of their investigation. This is not, however, the disaster that outsiders are claiming it to be. There can be no doubt Pakistan has been shocked by the case. For the majority there is a sense of shame that such violent and degrading behavior can ever take place and frustration that both police and courts have been so slow and reluctant to move against it. Remember this is a crime which took place fully nine years ago. The impact of the case on the authorities is likely to bring about a sea change in official attitudes. Next time that such a heinous crime is brought to the attention of the police, it must be hoped that it will not just be the rapists who are charged, but also the elders who ordered the depraved crime. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join
