date:20130402

[proletar] Re: bahasa kalbu..

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik johny_indon



dan bukan kebetulan bahwa di belanda, tempat tinggal uplik sekarang, 
mereka bisa hidup seatap secara LEGAL.
yg mengerikan itu kalo orang2 macem mereka itu mengadopsi anak.
kasian kan anaknya, pas udah gede baru nyadar kalo orang tuanya hombreng.
adopsi anak oleh pasangan hombreng memang sebaiknya dilarang keras 
karena itu perbuatan keji.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> huehehehe..
> klo Uplik bikin pernyataan si Bleki adalah istri nya..
> ngga usah pakai bukti legal segala dah.. 
> gw mau deh ngaku.. udah urusin suami orang..
> 
> sekalian jg gw akan kirim paket " hadiah perkawinan.. "
> dgn ucapan " turut berbahagia atas perkawinan yg amat sangat konyol.."
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "johny_indon"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > wah gua lupa alternatif yg itu.
> > bener juga, kalo yg dimaksud suaminya si bleki sih ya berarti 
> > arra lagi ngurusin "suami" orang juga.
> > lol
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ajeg"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Tar dulu john, siapa tau maksud duke si uplik sebagai 
> > > suaminya bleki.. 
> > > 
> > > Masaalahnya, dalam hubungan mereka sering terjadi pindah bola, 
> > > uplik jadi bini dan bleki jadi suami. 
> > > 
> > > Malah kadang bareng, dua-duanya jadi suami atau sama-sama 
> > > jadi istri.. 
> > > 
> > > eheh.. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- "johny_indon"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > uplik ngga pernah bilang dia menikah.
> > > > malah dia ngga pernah bilang marlene itu "istri".
> > > > sebagai gantinya dia pake kata "urang rumah".
> > > > keliatannya dia emang menghindari pernikahan dan lebih suka kumpul 
> > > > kebo.
> > > > karena pernikahan artinya tanggung jawab.
> > > > dan dia bukanlah tipikal orang yg mau bertanggung jawab (e.g. kasus 
> > > > alex aan).
> > > > 
> > > > so, buat duke, arra ngga lagi ngomongin "suami" orang.
> > > > karena dalam dunia perkeboan ngga ada istilah suami istri.
> > > > 
> > > > demikian penjelasannya.
> > > > silahkan uplik membuat pledoi.
> > > > 
> > > > --- "arra_s"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > kalau bicara komunikasi antara suami isteri..
> > > > > ya susah kalau jenis suami nya kayak Uplik..
> > > > > dia seperti nya robot..
> > > > > ngga menggunakan akalnya..
> > > > > sukaan nya malah ngurusin istri orang lain..
> > > > > istri sendiri ngga di urusin..
> > > > > 
> > > > > diantara suami isteri itu..
> > > > > ada yg namanya "bahasa kalbu.."
> > > > > anggap ajah nama nya ini..
> > > > > 
> > > > > sinonim kata kalbu adalah sanubari, nurani, lubuk hati, bathin..
> > > > > jadi bisa dibilang bahasa kalbu adalah bahasa yg datang dari 
> > > > > lubuk hati..
> > > > > 
> > > > > ketika komunikasi dengan kata kata atau isyarat banyak 
> > > > > terdistorsi yg mengakibatkan pesan dalam komunikasi tidak 
> > > > > sampai.. 
> > > > > maka bahasa kalbu adalah penggantinya..
> > > > > hanya 2 orang yg saling mengenal yg dapat menangkap pesan nya..
> > > > > 
> > > > > sehingga apabila salah satu nya mempunyai keinginan.. misalnya..
> > > > > ingin pelesiran?
> > > > > ingin beli sesuatu?
> > > > > ingin romantisan?
> > > > > ingin di masakin makanan kesukaan?
> > > > > ingin tidak di ganggu?
> > > > > 
> > > > > dengan bahasa kalbu..
> > > > > tanpa meminta.. sudah di tawari lebih dahulu..
> > > > > 
> > > > > ngga ada tuh yg namanya semua keinginan..
> > > > > mesti didiskusikan dari a sampai z..
> > > > > capek banget..
> > > > > biasanya kalau perempuan suka bilang begini..
> > > > > jangan tanya tanya kenapa.. pokok nya saya lagi males masak..
> > > > > kita makan di luar saja..
> > > > > 
> > > > > beda lagi dengan masalah2 penting..
> > > > > yg bukan sekedar keinginan..
> > > > > seperti  menentukan pendidikan anak..
> > > > > membeli property..
> > > > > rasanya suami istri malah pingin nya di diskusiin..
> > > > > dari pada nanti nya disalahkan kalau ternyata hasil nya ngga 
> > > > > sesuai..
> > > > > 
> > > > > banyak juga sih yg bahasa kalbu suami istri macet..
> > > > > terlalu banyak karatan karena " egoisme.."
> > > > > 
> > > > > dan buat Uplik..
> > > > > ngga usah ngomong deh tentang kesetaraan gender..
> > > > > cuma di indonesia saya banyak lihat..
> > > > > suami bekerja keras..
> > > > > ttp ketika ingin membeli sesuatu kesukaan nya..
> > > > > si suami mesti minta ijin pada istri nya..
> > > > > karena si istri yg atur semua keuangan rt..
> > > > > 
> > > > > namun ketika si istri ingin sesuatu kesukaan nya..
> > > > > dalam 10 menit pertama si suami lgs mengijinkan..
> > > > > dari pada pusinggg.. denger rengekan, argumen..
> > > > > yg bisa ber jam jam.. ber hari hari.. sampai ijin keluar..
> > > > > 
> > > > > biarpun begitu
> > > > > tetep saja si suami makin sayang sama si istri..
> > > > > 
> > > > > ngga akan hal begini terjadi di Belanda sono..
> > > > > ya kan Plik?
> > > > > tetapi mana bisa anda mengerti ini?
> > > > > wong anda ngga bekerja keras sih..
> > > > > kenalilah bahasa kalbu istri sendiri..
> > > > > bukan bahasa kalbu nya si Item..
> > > > >

Re: [proletar] Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik ayub

dasar hombrenk bawel...
demen banget ngurusin bini orang...

From: itemabu2

Hehehe... cewek Saudi akhirnya boleh naik sepeda/motor setelah 14 abad.

Yg begini tentunya dibangga2kan oleh orang Islam kayak si ayub_yahya
spy bisa kaing2 bhw Islam itu ngehargai cewek dsb.

Setelah 14 abad di abad modern ini, hehehe

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-women-allowed-to-ride-bikes-in-public-1.1165318

Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public

'Male relatives should be present to provide prompt assistance in case
of falls or accidents'

By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
Published: 13:50 April 1, 2013

Manama: Saudi women have been allowed to ride buggies and bikes in
public after the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the
Prevention of Vice lifted a ban on them.

Under the new rules, women can use parks, esplanades and open desert
areas and enjoy themselves as long as they are modestly dressed,
sources from the Commission told local Arabic daily Al Youm.

A male relative should be present to ensure he can provide prompt
assistance in case of falls or accidents, the source said.

Women wishing to ride the buggies or bikes should avoid places where
there are assemblies of young people to protect themselves from
physical or verbal harassment and possible theft, he said.

However, according to the source, the women should use the bikes and
buggies only for recreational purposes and not as permanent means of
transport.

The Commission said that it never barred foreign women from riding
buggies or bicycles.

Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive.

A traffic official told the daily that they were not involved in the
decision to allow women to ride bicycles or buggies or any other means
of transport.

“Our concern is the positive traffic culture and full compliance with
traffic rules and regulations by all drivers and riders,” Ali Al
Zahrani, the spokesman for the Eastern Province Traffic, said.

However, Samia Al Bawardi, the head of an NGO for the victims of car
accidents, warned women about riding bicycles and buggies.

“Wearing abayas — the coverall worn by Gulf women — and erratic
driving could result in terrible accidents,” she said, quoted by the
daily.

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Re: Fwd: [proletar] Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik Nub

masya auloh jon tontonan lu kaya gituan ternyata.
bini kurang bahenol?
ga perlu nonton begituan lah jon.
manfaatkan privilege yg lu dapat dari islam dong, kawin 4x. 

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "johny_indon"  wrote:

> 
> ini yg elu bilang hasil perjuangan RA Kartini di indonesia:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQVA8Wr0Mvg
> 

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Re: Fwd: [proletar] Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik johny_indon



buka wawasan, keluarlah dari tempurung.
ngga perlu usil, karena tiap daerah punya aturan sendiri2.

ini di india:
http://dunia.news.viva.co.id/news/read/380848-desa-di-india-larang-wanita-pakai-t-shirt-dan-jeans

ini di israel:
http://wartakota.tribunnews.com/detil/berita/114574/Israel-Melarang-Model-Kurus

ini yg elu bilang hasil perjuangan RA Kartini di indonesia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQVA8Wr0Mvg

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Pro Book  wrote:
>
> Sungguh sangat menyedihkan wanita dalam Islam sangat direndahkan. Di
> Indonesia ada pejuang wanita RA Kartini yang memperjuangkan kesetaraan
> antara pria dan wanita
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: itemabu2 
> Date: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:48 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public
> To: proletar 
> 
> 
> Hehehe... cewek Saudi akhirnya boleh naik sepeda/motor setelah 14 abad.
> 
> Yg begini tentunya dibangga2kan oleh orang Islam kayak si ayub_yahya
> spy bisa kaing2 bhw Islam itu ngehargai cewek dsb.
> 
> Setelah 14 abad di abad modern ini, hehehe
> 
> 
> http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-women-allowed-to-ride-bikes-in-public-1.1165318
> 
> Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public
> 
> 'Male relatives should be present to provide prompt assistance in case
> of falls or accidents'
> 
> By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
> Published: 13:50 April 1, 2013
> 
> Manama: Saudi women have been allowed to ride buggies and bikes in
> public after the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the
> Prevention of Vice lifted a ban on them.
> 
> Under the new rules, women can use parks, esplanades and open desert
> areas and enjoy themselves as long as they are modestly dressed,
> sources from the Commission told local Arabic daily Al Youm.
> 
> A male relative should be present to ensure he can provide prompt
> assistance in case of falls or accidents, the source said.
> 
> Women wishing to ride the buggies or bikes should avoid places where
> there are assemblies of young people to protect themselves from
> physical or verbal harassment and possible theft, he said.
> 
> However, according to the source, the women should use the bikes and
> buggies only for recreational purposes and not as permanent means of
> transport.
> 
> The Commission said that it never barred foreign women from riding
> buggies or bicycles.
> 
> Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive.
> 
> A traffic official told the daily that they were not involved in the
> decision to allow women to ride bicycles or buggies or any other means
> of transport.
> 
> ï¿½Our concern is the positive traffic culture and full compliance with
> traffic rules and regulations by all drivers and riders,ï¿½ Ali Al
> Zahrani, the spokesman for the Eastern Province Traffic, said.
> 
> However, Samia Al Bawardi, the head of an NGO for the victims of car
> accidents, warned women about riding bicycles and buggies.
> 
> ï¿½Wearing abayas ï¿½ the coverall worn by Gulf women ï¿½ and erratic
> driving could result in terrible accidents,ï¿½ she said, quoted by the
> daily.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Re: [proletar] Re: item jusplik & kisah amal zakat (item abu dipalak Hasan Basri...)

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik ayub



pig... baca nih !!

http://id.omg.yahoo.com/news/jackie-chan-sumbangkan-seluruh-hartanya-041811475.html





 From: Bukan Pedanda 
  
 

  


Sungguh Islami...

Buat bantu anak yatim aja main peras, main palak.

Hasan Basri bukannya sekedar melakukan tugas moralnya untuk mendesak ayub yahya 
untuk minta maaf, karena emang itulah tugas yang layak dilaksanakannnya, demi 
kejujuran.

Nggak, dia pake kesempatan itu untuk memeras item abu yang tidak salah apa-apa 
dan telah jadi korban ayub yahya...

Budaya Islam itu emang budaya para bajingan.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Habe Proletar  wrote:
>
> tem, gue udah membela elu dengan mengecam si joni dan reza
> sekarang lu mau gue bela melawan si ayub?
> gue bisa bikin ayub minta maaf sama elu
> sujud dan tafakur
> asal...
> jangan lupa
> amal buat anak yatim
> 
> deal?
> 
> seratus juta lu kasih ke orang
> masa ngasih buat anak yatim piatu aja lu keberatan
> 
> kagak salah lagi
> 
> lu memang penipu numero uno
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: itemabu2 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [proletar] item jusplik & kisah amal zakat
> 
> 
> Â  
> Hehehe... si kunyuk hasan basri bangsat ini emang ga punya malu sama sekali.
> 
> Dia ngoceh bhw ga patut Jusfiq ngomongin orang yg ga ada hubungannya
> dgn milis ini, tp dia sendiri diam aja ngeliat sesamanya ngomongin
> orang yg ga ada hubungan dgn milis ini.
> 
> Bahkan si keparat hasan basri ini ngedukung perbuatan sesama
> kunyuknya, misalnya waktu dia kaing2 ngedukung ayub_yahya ngefitnah
> Jusfiq ngejual bininya.
> 
> Kalo nyamain kunyuk dgn hasan basri itu sebetulnya ngehina kunyuk, krn
> kunyuk aja ga serendah si hasan basri, biarpun kunyuk itu suka nyolong
> barang orang.
> 
> On 4/2/13, Habe Proletar  wrote:
> > item pernah menepuk dada, soal duit ratusan juta
> > yang menurut pengakuannya dikasih begitu saja
> > bantuan buat orang papa
> > walaupun dia tidak kenal namanya
> >
> > juplik sejak jaman sriwijaya
> > acapkali berjanji membantu siapapun di milis ini
> > yang perlu perawatan psikis berupa terapi atau rawat inap
> > slogan dia yang terkenal " nanti akan saya bantu "
> >
> > semua jelas, selayaknya penipu bisa ngomong setinggi puncak jayawijaya
> > sampai ketika dilakukan audit, ketahuan ternyata angka dan janji diatas
> > cuma sekedar buntalan kibulan
> >
> > jangankan ratusan juta, begitu berhadapan dengan angka sejuta aja si item
> > langsung joging mengikuti jusplik
> > sambil lalu, dia menganggap "ketukan hati " yang gue lakukan melalui tangan
> > dua orkay, reza dan joni bagai gonggongan anjing chihuaha di pengkolan
> > Hooigracht
> >
> > sedang janji mener jusplik soal bantuan yang berhadapan dengan kenyataan
> > pahit
> > ( kucing kurus mandi di papan, kalau belum mapan, kenapa dari dulu ngga
> > bilang? )
> > direduksi menjadi " jualaah laptop anda, jualah mobil anda, jualah motor
> > anda "
> >
> > inilah kisah ronggeng amal zakat sahabul hikayat dari mereka berdua
> > memperkuat opini, pedit dan bakat nipu itu memang alamiah adanya..
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


 

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Fwd: [proletar] Daya tarik Islam

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik Pro Book

Seharusnya MUI dan FPI berkunjung ke Kuwait, kalau berita Abdullah Al-Sabah
convert ke agama kafir benar, maka MUI dan FPI sudah diberi izin Aulloh
untuk mencabut nyawanya Abdullah Al-Sabah.

Agar syah menurut Islam ajak Al Qaeda bersama sama.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Kholil 
Date: 2013/4/3
Subject: Re: [proletar] Daya tarik Islam
To: Pro Book 

**
Tetapi dalam sebuah rilis yang diterbitkan pihak Kerajaan Kuwait disebutkan
bahwa tidak ada nama Abdullah Al-Sabah dalam keluarga kerajaan negara kaya
minyak tersebut. Begitupun pernyataan yang dikeluarkan Vatikan. Vatikan
menyebutkan bahwa nama Abdullah Al-Sabah memang ada dalam pohon keluarga
Kerajaan Kuwait yang memerintah negara itu, tetapi tidak dalam keluarga
kerajaan yang masih hidup. "Senyatanya, nama Abdullah tidak ada dalam
daftar 15 anggota keluarga kerajaan yang memerintah negara kecil tetapi
sangat sejahtera ini," tulis orang dalam Vatican, Marco Tosatti, seperti
dikutip christianpost.com.

Tetapi, masih menurut media tersebut, Abdullah Al-Sabah dalam rekaman itu
tidak lain adalah Shaikh Faisal Al Abdullah Al Sabah seorang Pangeran
Kuwait yang pada 2010 lalu dinyatakan bersalah dan dijatuhi hukuman mati
karena membunuh kemenakan laki-lakinya.

Diangkat Lagi
Berita tentang kepindahan agama Abdullah Al-Sabah ini kemudian diangkat
lagi oleh media online Tumfweko.com, sebuah media berita dan hiburan Zambia
pada Senin, 17 September 2012. Media ini menyebutkan bahwa sebuah rekaman
ditayangkan oleh sebuah stasiun televisi satelit Kristen di Timur Tengah
bernama al-Haqiqa yang isinya pengakuan dari Abdullah Al-Sabah bahwa dia
meninggalkan Islam dan memeluk kristen.

Masih menurut media ini, dalam rekaman tersebut Abdullah Al-Sabah
menegaskan bahwa dia tidak akan berpaling dari Yesus Kristus, meskipun
diancam dibunuh karena membuat rekaman tersebut. Media ini mengutip rekaman
suara orang yang disebut-sebut Abdullah Al-Sabah itu. "Pertama-tama, saya
sangat setuju penyebaran rekaman ini dan sekarang saya menegaskan bahwa
bila mereka membunuh saya karena ini, saya lalu akan datang ke hadapan
Yesus Kristus dan akan berada bersamanya dalam kekekalan," bunyi rekaman
tersebut lebih lanjut.

Televisi satelit al-Haqiqa menjelaskan bahwa Abdullah Al-Sabah adalah
keluarga kerajaan Kuwait yang meninggalkan Islam dan lalu memeluk Kristen.
Hanya saja, televisi itu tidak menyebut dia menganut kristen apa."Saya akan
terima apapun yang mereka perbuat untuk saya karena kebenaran dalam Alkitab
sudah membimbing saya ke jalan kebenaran," lanjut rekaman tersebut.

Tumfweko.com juga menulis bahwa Mohabat News, sebuah website berita Kristen
di Timur Tengah, menyebutkan bahwa berita ini sudah dimuat oleh kantor
berita Arab dan kantor berita negara Iran. Tetapi sejumlah media independen
dari kelompok Syiah, mengutip seorang keluarga Kerajaan Kuwait lainnya,
Azbi Al-Sabah mengatakan bahwa berita ini tidak benar karena tidak ada nama
seperti itu dalam keluarga Kerajaan Kuwait. "Tidak ada nama seperti itu
(Abdullah Al-Sabah) dalam keluarga Kerajaan Kuwait," tulis Tumfweko.com
mengutip media independen tersebut.

Nah, dari sumber-sumber berita di atas menunjukkan bahwa berita atau gosip
yang muncul terkait perindahan Abdullah Al Sabah dari Islam ke Kristen
bukanlah hal baru. Tetapi ini isu lama yang disebarkan lagi. Belum
terungkap apa motif di belakang penyebaran isu tersebut. Lalu, apakah ada
kebenaran di balik berita itu? Belum ada media yang mengungkapnya. (Alex
Madji)

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*To:* Kholil  ;
Tawangalun; Bukan
Pedanda 
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*Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:58 AM
*Subject:* Fwd: [proletar] Daya tarik Islam

Aku tahu tentang Islam dari Kuwaiti Royal Prince, Abdullah al-Sabah.

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From: Kholil 
Date: 2013/4/3
Subject: Re: [proletar] Daya tarik Islam
To: Pro Book 

**
udah sering kali aku katakan padamu probook otak mu sesendok,
ga luas kamu ga tau islam jangan sok 
otakmu sesendok sendok teh...kwkwkwkwkwkwkw

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*Subject:* Fwd: [proletar] Daya tarik Islam

Kayaknya cuma Islam satu2nya, nunjukin bhw Islam itu emang agama bejad
dan biadab.

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From: itemabu2 
Date: 2013/4/3
Subject: Re: [proletar] Daya tarik Islam
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com

**

Hehehe... mualaf jadi tuang bantai.

Di agama apa orang yg masuk agama tsb lalu jadi tukang bantai?
Kayaknya cuma Islam satu2nya, nunjukin bhw Islam itu emang agama bejad
dan biadab.

Bahkan, yg ngaku Islam protestan, Islam abangan atau Islam agnostik jg
msh tetap bajingan keparat.

On 4/2/13, kim  wrote:
> Kisah berpola lama, kisah orang-orang bule yang menjadi mualaf.
> Daya tarik Islam bagi mualaf utk menjadi tero

Fwd: [proletar] Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik Pro Book

Sungguh sangat menyedihkan wanita dalam Islam sangat direndahkan. Di
Indonesia ada pejuang wanita RA Kartini yang memperjuangkan kesetaraan
antara pria dan wanita

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From: itemabu2 
Date: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:48 AM
Subject: [proletar] Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public
To: proletar 

Hehehe... cewek Saudi akhirnya boleh naik sepeda/motor setelah 14 abad.

Yg begini tentunya dibangga2kan oleh orang Islam kayak si ayub_yahya
spy bisa kaing2 bhw Islam itu ngehargai cewek dsb.

Setelah 14 abad di abad modern ini, hehehe

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-women-allowed-to-ride-bikes-in-public-1.1165318

Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public

'Male relatives should be present to provide prompt assistance in case
of falls or accidents'

By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
Published: 13:50 April 1, 2013

Manama: Saudi women have been allowed to ride buggies and bikes in
public after the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the
Prevention of Vice lifted a ban on them.

Under the new rules, women can use parks, esplanades and open desert
areas and enjoy themselves as long as they are modestly dressed,
sources from the Commission told local Arabic daily Al Youm.

A male relative should be present to ensure he can provide prompt
assistance in case of falls or accidents, the source said.

Women wishing to ride the buggies or bikes should avoid places where
there are assemblies of young people to protect themselves from
physical or verbal harassment and possible theft, he said.

However, according to the source, the women should use the bikes and
buggies only for recreational purposes and not as permanent means of
transport.

The Commission said that it never barred foreign women from riding
buggies or bicycles.

Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive.

A traffic official told the daily that they were not involved in the
decision to allow women to ride bicycles or buggies or any other means
of transport.

Our concern is the positive traffic culture and full compliance with
traffic rules and regulations by all drivers and riders, Ali Al
Zahrani, the spokesman for the Eastern Province Traffic, said.

However, Samia Al Bawardi, the head of an NGO for the victims of car
accidents, warned women about riding bicycles and buggies.

Wearing abayas  the coverall worn by Gulf women  and erratic
driving could result in terrible accidents, she said, quoted by the
daily.

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[proletar] Re: item jusplik & kisah amal zakat

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik johny_indon



bawel bener ni hombreng.
emang kalo habe menuhin semua keinginan elu di bawah ini, 
trus lu mau nyumbang 1 jeti ke yatim piatu?
ngga bakalan lah yaw.
emang lu dasarnya tukang tipu.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2  wrote:
>
> Hehehe... lu ngebela gua dgn ngecam si joni dan reza? Kapan tuh?
> 
> Lu cuma kaing2 si reza ngomong vulgar, dan gua ga pernah tau (emangnya
> gua doyan ngebaca ocehan lu) kl lu pernah ngecam si reza dgn ocehan yg
> lain dan ngecam si joni.
> 
> Lu ga pernah ngecam si joni krn dia ngefitnah bapak gua, yg lu
> kaing2in itu ga lbh dr lu bilang tentara itu bajingan atau whatever.
> 
> Lu ga pernah ngecam bangsat2 tukang fitnah Jusfiq (dan biniya) krn lu
> sendiri termasuk bangsatnya.
> 
> Hehehe... kaing sok suci, padahal justru si habe ini adalah raja
> bangsat tukang fitnahnya. Betul2 bangsat ga punya malu sama sekali.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/2/13, Habe Proletar  wrote:
> > tem, gue udah membela elu dengan mengecam si joni dan reza
> > sekarang lu mau gue bela melawan si ayub?
> > gue bisa bikin ayub minta maaf sama elu
> > sujud dan tafakur
> > asal...
> > jangan lupa
> > amal buat anak yatim
> >
> > deal?
> >
> > seratus juta lu kasih ke orang
> > masa ngasih buat anak yatim piatu aja lu keberatan
> >
> > kagak salah lagi
> >
> > lu memang penipu numero uno
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: itemabu2 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [proletar] item jusplik & kisah amal zakat
> >
> >
> >
> > Hehehe... si kunyuk hasan basri bangsat ini emang ga punya malu sama
> > sekali.
> >
> > Dia ngoceh bhw ga patut Jusfiq ngomongin orang yg ga ada hubungannya
> > dgn milis ini, tp dia sendiri diam aja ngeliat sesamanya ngomongin
> > orang yg ga ada hubungan dgn milis ini.
> >
> > Bahkan si keparat hasan basri ini ngedukung perbuatan sesama
> > kunyuknya, misalnya waktu dia kaing2 ngedukung ayub_yahya ngefitnah
> > Jusfiq ngejual bininya.
> >
> > Kalo nyamain kunyuk dgn hasan basri itu sebetulnya ngehina kunyuk, krn
> > kunyuk aja ga serendah si hasan basri, biarpun kunyuk itu suka nyolong
> > barang orang.
> >
> > On 4/2/13, Habe Proletar  wrote:
> >> item pernah menepuk dada, soal duit ratusan juta
> >> yang menurut pengakuannya dikasih begitu saja
> >> bantuan buat orang papa
> >> walaupun dia tidak kenal namanya
> >>
> >> juplik sejak jaman sriwijaya
> >> acapkali berjanji membantu siapapun di milis ini
> >> yang perlu perawatan psikis berupa terapi atau rawat inap
> >> slogan dia yang terkenal " nanti akan saya bantu "
> >>
> >> semua jelas, selayaknya penipu bisa ngomong setinggi puncak jayawijaya
> >> sampai ketika dilakukan audit, ketahuan ternyata angka dan janji diatas
> >> cuma sekedar buntalan kibulan
> >>
> >> jangankan ratusan juta, begitu berhadapan dengan angka sejuta aja si item
> >> langsung joging mengikuti jusplik
> >> sambil lalu, dia menganggap "ketukan hati " yang gue lakukan melalui
> >> tangan
> >> dua orkay, reza dan joni bagai gonggongan anjing chihuaha di pengkolan
> >> Hooigracht
> >>
> >> sedang janji mener jusplik soal bantuan yang berhadapan dengan kenyataan
> >> pahit
> >> ( kucing kurus mandi di papan, kalau belum mapan, kenapa dari dulu ngga
> >> bilang? )
> >> direduksi menjadi " jualaah laptop anda, jualah mobil anda, jualah motor
> >> anda "
> >>
> >> inilah kisah ronggeng amal zakat sahabul hikayat dari mereka berdua
> >> memperkuat opini, pedit dan bakat nipu itu memang alamiah adanya..
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: bahasa kalbu..

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik johny_indon



mungkin itu pembalasan si uplik gara2 marlene manggil 
dia "urang gilo".

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> sadis kamu Plik..
> masak pasangan hidup di bilang nya "urang Rumah.."
> 
> mana itu kesetaraan gender yg suka kamu gembor2 kan..
> kalau sebutan buat pasangan nya saja sudah bertendensi melecehkan..
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "johny_indon"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > uplik ngga pernah bilang dia menikah.
> > malah dia ngga pernah bilang marlene itu "istri".
> > sebagai gantinya dia pake kata "urang rumah".
> > keliatannya dia emang menghindari pernikahan dan lebih suka kumpul kebo.
> > karena pernikahan artinya tanggung jawab.
> > dan dia bukanlah tipikal orang yg mau bertanggung jawab (e.g. kasus alex 
> > aan).
> > 
> > so, buat duke, arra ngga lagi ngomongin "suami" orang.
> > karena dalam dunia perkeboan ngga ada istilah suami istri.
> > 
> > demikian penjelasannya.
> > silahkan uplik membuat pledoi.
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > kalau bicara komunikasi antara suami isteri..
> > > ya susah kalau jenis suami nya kayak Uplik..
> > > dia seperti nya robot..
> > > ngga menggunakan akalnya..
> > > sukaan nya malah ngurusin istri orang lain..
> > > istri sendiri ngga di urusin..
> > > 
> > > diantara suami isteri itu..
> > > ada yg namanya "bahasa kalbu.."
> > > anggap ajah nama nya ini..
> > > 
> > > sinonim kata kalbu adalah sanubari, nurani, lubuk hati, bathin..
> > > jadi bisa dibilang bahasa kalbu adalah bahasa yg datang dari lubuk hati..
> > > 
> > > ketika komunikasi dengan kata kata atau isyarat banyak terdistorsi yg 
> > > mengakibatkan pesan dalam komunikasi tidak sampai.. 
> > > maka bahasa kalbu adalah penggantinya..
> > > hanya 2 orang yg saling mengenal yg dapat menangkap pesan nya..
> > > 
> > > sehingga apabila salah satu nya mempunyai keinginan.. misalnya..
> > > ingin pelesiran?
> > > ingin beli sesuatu?
> > > ingin romantisan?
> > > ingin di masakin makanan kesukaan?
> > > ingin tidak di ganggu?
> > > 
> > > dengan bahasa kalbu..
> > > tanpa meminta.. sudah di tawari lebih dahulu..
> > > 
> > > ngga ada tuh yg namanya semua keinginan..
> > > mesti didiskusikan dari a sampai z..
> > > capek banget..
> > > biasanya kalau perempuan suka bilang begini..
> > > jangan tanya tanya kenapa.. pokok nya saya lagi males masak..
> > > kita makan di luar saja..
> > > 
> > > beda lagi dengan masalah2 penting..
> > > yg bukan sekedar keinginan..
> > > seperti  menentukan pendidikan anak..
> > > membeli property..
> > > rasanya suami istri malah pingin nya di diskusiin..
> > > dari pada nanti nya disalahkan kalau ternyata hasil nya ngga sesuai..
> > > 
> > > banyak juga sih yg bahasa kalbu suami istri macet..
> > > terlalu banyak karatan karena " egoisme.."
> > > 
> > > dan buat Uplik..
> > > ngga usah ngomong deh tentang kesetaraan gender..
> > > cuma di indonesia saya banyak lihat..
> > > suami bekerja keras..
> > > ttp ketika ingin membeli sesuatu kesukaan nya..
> > > si suami mesti minta ijin pada istri nya..
> > > karena si istri yg atur semua keuangan rt..
> > > 
> > > namun ketika si istri ingin sesuatu kesukaan nya..
> > > dalam 10 menit pertama si suami lgs mengijinkan..
> > > dari pada pusinggg.. denger rengekan, argumen..
> > > yg bisa ber jam jam.. ber hari hari.. sampai ijin keluar..
> > > 
> > > biarpun begitu
> > > tetep saja si suami makin sayang sama si istri..
> > > 
> > > ngga akan hal begini terjadi di Belanda sono..
> > > ya kan Plik?
> > > tetapi mana bisa anda mengerti ini?
> > > wong anda ngga bekerja keras sih..
> > > kenalilah bahasa kalbu istri sendiri..
> > > bukan bahasa kalbu nya si Item..
> > > 
> > > bahasa kalbu perempuan yg seragam kepd suami nya  adalah..
> > > jadilah suami yg bertanggung jawab dan tidak egois..
> > > maka kaum perempuan dgn sukarela akan mendampingi kemana saja..
> > >
> >
>






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[proletar] Seandainya Uplik punya anak

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik ayub



sayangnya dia mandul
malah bangga sbg hombrenk.. berdalih alamiah


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omuYi2Vhgjo

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Fwd: [proletar] Awalnya Daniel Streich benci masjid

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik Pro Book

List of converts to Christianity from Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Islam

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Redaksi  Kamis, 9 Jumadil Awwal 1434 H / 21 Maret 2013 17:17 WIB
BERITA TERKAIT
* Vincente : Kisah "Yesus" Menjadikan Saya Mualaf

>
* Muslim dan Las Vegas (3/3)
>
* Muslim dan Las Vegas (2/3)
>
* Muslim dan Las Vegas (1/3)
>
* Raquel, Kisah Mualaf Seorang Polisi Wanita Amerika

>

[640] 

Daniel Streich, anggota Partai Rakyat Swiss (SVP) menjadi sosok
terkenal. Bukan saja awalnya dia sangat menentang keras pembangunan
masjid di negaranya, melainkan dirinya secara mengejutkan berpindah
haluan menjadi seorang Muslim.

Situs islamicbulettin.com melaporkan Streich penganut kristen taat. Dia
dibesarkan dengan ajaran Kristiani dan semasa kecil pernah bercita-cita
menjadi pastur. Namun ketika remaja niatnya berubah. Ia mulai gemar
berpolitik dan tanpa ragu terjun langsung menjadi anggota partai ternama
di Swiss.

SVP bukan partai sembarangan. Di dalamnya terdiri dari cendekia,
ilmuwan, pelajar, dan pegiat bukan dari kalangan Muslim. Partai ini
menjadi penentang nomor wahid penyebaran Islam di Swiss. Dan Streich
adalah

[proletar] Scandal of Grace

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik Nub

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWd-Pt0gLQ

"Scandal Of Grace"

Grace, what have You done?
Murdered for me on that cross
Accused in absence of wrong
My sin washed away in Your blood

Too much to make sense of it all
I know that Your love breaks my fall
The scandal of grace, You died in my place
So my soul will live

Oh to be like You
Give all I have just to know You
Jesus, there's no one besides You
Forever the hope in my heart

Death, where is your sting?
Your power is as dead as my sin
The cross has taught me to live
And mercy, my heart now to sing

The day and its trouble shall come
I know that Your strength is enough
The scandal of grace, You died in my place
So my soul will live

Oh to be like You
Give all I have just to know You
Jesus, there's no one besides You
Forever the hope in my heart
[x2]

And it's all, because of You, Jesus
It's all, because of You, Jesus
It's all, because of Your love
And my soul will live

Oh to be like You
Give all I have just to know You
Jesus, there's no one besides You
Forever the hope in my heart
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[proletar]

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

"Neighboring Sweden has in little more than three decades
metamorphosed from a safe country into being flooded by street crime
and having one of the world’s highest recorded rape rates. Young blond
girls in Stockholm suburbs are getting used to being called “whores”
on a daily basis, and sometimes dye their hair in an attempt to avoid
sexual harassment in the streets of what once was their own country."

Bukti kebejadan ajaran Islam yg menghasilkan bajingan tukang merkosa.
Maklum, nabinya jg tukang merkosa.


http://frontpagemag.com/2013/fjordman/importing-islamic-nightmares-while-denying-them/

Importing Islamic Nightmares — While Denying Them
April 2, 2013 By Fjordman

A report prepared by groups in the various Nordic countries has
proposed instituting a legal ban on anti-Feminist “hatred,” comparing
this to “racism.” Representing the left-wing coalition government in
Norway, Ahmad Ghanizadeh from the Socialist Left Party (SV), the State
Secretary in the Ministry of Children, Equality and Social Inclusion,
was positive towards the proposal, and promised that the government
would look into it.

My initial thought upon hearing this is that Leftism is now officially
a religion, and that its proponents desire a “blasphemy statute” to
ban any serious discussion of left-wing doctrines and their
consequences as “hate speech.”

Writer and fellow online dissident Takuan Seiyo commented that not
even George Orwell could have come up with anything that tops this
scenario. Yes, there is a serious proposal afoot in Norway to ban
“anti-Feminist hatred”. Yes, the ministry really has the Orwellian
name of Ministry of Children, Equality and Social Inclusion. And yes,
this State Secretary in Norway really is called Ahmad Ghanizadeh,
originally from Iran.

In 2013, Norway’s Minister of Culture is Hadia Tajik, whose Muslim
family came from Pakistan. One must assume that Prime Minister Jens
Stoltenberg of the Labour Party appointed her partly to remind the
native population that they no longer have a culture, only
“Multiculture,” but mainly in order to appeal to the Muslim and other
Third World immigrant voters whose support his left-wing coalition
depends upon in order to stay in power.

PM Stoltenberg in his prestigious New Year’s Speech for 2013 promised
that his government would seek to ban “hateful utterances” on the
Internet. The year before, Stoltenberg used his New Year’s Speech,
always broadcasted on prime-time national TV and watched by a large
proportion of his countrymen, to launch a frontal attack on alleged
“totalitarian seducers” who use the Internet to spread unfounded
“hatred.”

I was shortly afterwards contacted by the journalist Ragnhild Sleire
Øyen from the state broadcaster NRK, the local equivalent of the BBC,
who considered it obvious that the Prime Minister was referring to me
personally. I’m sure many other citizens got the same message, and
that may well have been intentional.

The PM didn’t mention any names explicitly, but then he didn’t have
to, since so many others had done that dirty job for him. His
right-hand man in Labour, Party Secretary Raymond Johansen, has
singled me out for public attack by name several times, both before
and after the Prime Minister gave this speech, as one of the
individuals spreading irrational “hate” against Islam and therefore
holding me partly responsible for the mental climate that allegedly
created Anders Behring Breivik. I wasn’t the only name on that short
list, but I usually topped it.

Norway is a small country, but I still find it unhealthy that a
sitting political head of state uses his most prestigious annual
speech addressing the nation to launch a thinly veiled attack on
individual citizens who have done nothing criminal. An analogy for
Americans would be if the President of the United States used his
State of the Union speech to launch a thinly veiled attack on writers
who use the Internet to publish ideas he dislikes, for instance the
conservative author Michelle Malkin, or Glenn Reynolds with his major
blog Instapundit. Even Obama hasn’t gone that far, at least not yet.
The Social Democratic Prime Minister of Norway has.

Who gets to define “hate,” and do negative feelings always come out of
nowhere? What if public anger, assuming it exists, actually has a
cause that needs to be addressed? For example, being displaced in
one’s own country by often hostile tribes? Should we simply ban any
real discussions of this problem instead of dealing with the actual
cause of public frustration? If so, what will be the long-term results
of such a policy?

Elisabeth Skarsbø Moen is the debate editor and a regular columnist in
VG, one of Norway’s two largest newspapers, and the largest one with a
truly national readership. She writes in positive terms about
Feminism, while at the same time championing the continued mass
immigration of people from cultures that are extremely hostile to
women. Like most other Western Feminists of her ilk, she sees no
contradiction in

[proletar] Islamic Slavery and Racism

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Orang Islam Indonesia emang rela jadi budak Arab, jadi mereka jg ga
keberatan orang Arab memperbudak orang Afrika sesuai dgn ajaran Islam.

Islam itu emang ajaran yg benar, hehehe


http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/black-slavery-and-islamic-racism/

Islamic Slavery and Racism
April 2, 2013 By Daniel Greenfield


When Tuaregs and Islamists swarmed in to seize Northern Mali, one of
the old grievances animating their campaign was slavery. The Tuaregs
were not former slaves, they were, and in some cases still are,
slaveholders.

The French invasion of Northern Mali, liberating towns and villages
under Islamist rule, was a historical echo of the original French
emancipation of Tuareg slaves back in the colonial period.  Despite
French efforts, the Tuareg did their best to hang on to their slaves
and Muslim Tuareg still continue to hold thousands of slaves in
Northern Mali.

Mali is not unique. The Sudanese genocide was given theological and
political force by the attitude that Arabs and Muslims had the natural
right to a superior position over African Animists and Christians. And
today Omar Hassan al-Bashir, the Butcher of Sudan, continues to enjoy
the support of the Muslim world despite being indicted for genocide by
the International Criminal Court.

The supporters of the Muslim world’s campaign to displace the
indigenous Jewish population of Israel in favor of the Arab colonists
and settlers casually accuse Israel of apartheid. Every year Israeli
Apartheid Week is held on college campuses in an attempt to compare
Israel’s refusal to allow Hamas terrorists access to its territory
with racial discrimination.

But racial Apartheid is very much a reality in the Muslim world. The
same Muslim students who show up to denounce Israel as an apartheid
state often come from countries where there is true apartheid when it
comes to black skin.

In North Africa, the Haratin, a Berber word meaning dark skin, are the
remnants of the indigenous African population. Many are still
enslaved. Others live apart from mainstream society, forced into
degrading or difficult occupations.

Mauritania is the country with the world’s largest proportion of
slaves. There hundreds of thousands of Haratin serve the Bidhan, the
so-called “White Moors”.  The Bidhan pass on the Haratin as property
from generation to generation. And even those who are not legally
property face a grim life.

In the 80s, Mauritania ethnically cleansed tens of thousands of
Africans from its territory. Even Human Rights Watch stated, “It is
fair to say that the Mauritanian government practices undeclared
apartheid and severely discriminates on the basis of race.”

The best kept secrets of the Muslim world include large populations of
former African slaves in places like Pakistan, Iraq and Turkey.  While
Africans in Israel are not descended from slaves, Afro-Arabs,
Afro-Turks and African-Pakistanis are living reminders of a Muslim
slave trade that sometimes still lingers on.

The site of the world’s greatest slave rebellion was in Basra, Iraq,
where half-a-million African slaves rose against the might of the Arab
Abbasid Empire.

The Zanj rebellion was brutally suppressed, but its legacy lives on in
the modern day city of Basra where hundreds of thousands of
Afro-Iraqis live as a despised minority taunted with the slur “Abd” or
Slave. That same Arabic word is often widely applied to black people
in the Middle East.

While Muslim propagandists have exploited the legacy of slavery in the
United States to win black converts, slavery in the Muslim world began
long before the United States and ended a century later.

President Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in
1862. By contrast, Saudi Arabia only abolished slavery in 1962. That
same year Yemen abolished slavery and the United Arab Emirates
abolished slavery a year later.

Saudi Arabia’s ruling family did not embark on this course out of the
goodness of their hearts, but under pressure from President Kennedy,
at a time when the House of Saud did not yet have the United States
economy and its foreign policy in a headlock. The abolition of slavery
was a compromise. Kennedy had wanted representative government and
civil rights. He had to settle for a belated emancipation.

Slavery has been officially abolished; unofficially it lingers on.
There is still a silent unofficial slave trade that is carried on and
leading Saudi clerics have insisted that slavery is a part of Islam.
Saudis living abroad are often discovered to have domestic workers who
live like slaves leading to criminal cases.

The situation is worst in North Africa where Arab colonization largely
displaced and suppressed the indigenous peoples, like the Nubians in
Egypt. Ethnically cleansed to make way for the Lake Nasser project,
Egyptian Nubians have, like so many other North African indigenous
peoples, been reduced to a persecuted minority within their own land.

Some may argue that Islamic slavery, like Islamic terrorism, has

[proletar] Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Hehehe... cewek Saudi akhirnya boleh naik sepeda/motor setelah 14 abad.

Yg begini tentunya dibangga2kan oleh orang Islam kayak si ayub_yahya
spy bisa kaing2 bhw Islam itu ngehargai cewek dsb.

Setelah 14 abad di abad modern ini, hehehe

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-women-allowed-to-ride-bikes-in-public-1.1165318

Saudi women allowed to ride bikes in public

'Male relatives should be present to provide prompt assistance in case
of falls or accidents'

By Habib Toumi, Bureau Chief
Published: 13:50 April 1, 2013

Manama: Saudi women have been allowed to ride buggies and bikes in
public after the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the
Prevention of Vice lifted a ban on them.

Under the new rules, women can use parks, esplanades and open desert
areas and enjoy themselves as long as they are modestly dressed,
sources from the Commission told local Arabic daily Al Youm.

A male relative should be present to ensure he can provide prompt
assistance in case of falls or accidents, the source said.

Women wishing to ride the buggies or bikes should avoid places where
there are assemblies of young people to protect themselves from
physical or verbal harassment and possible theft, he said.

However, according to the source, the women should use the bikes and
buggies only for recreational purposes and not as permanent means of
transport.

The Commission said that it never barred foreign women from riding
buggies or bicycles.

Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive.

A traffic official told the daily that they were not involved in the
decision to allow women to ride bicycles or buggies or any other means
of transport.

However, Samia Al Bawardi, the head of an NGO for the victims of car
accidents, warned women about riding bicycles and buggies.

“Wearing abayas — the coverall worn by Gulf women — and erratic
driving could result in terrible accidents,” she said, quoted by the
daily.

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[proletar] 6,000 Syrians Killed in March, Deadliest Month Yet

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Hehehe... cuma Islam yg bisa begini, bukan? Tiap saat selalu ngebantai
orang secara konsisten selama berabad2.

Islam itu emang agama yg benar, hehehe


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/04/01/world/middleeast/ap-ml-syria.html?_r=0#h[]

6,000 Syrians Killed in March, Deadliest Month Yet
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: April 1, 2013 at 4:04 PM ET

BEIRUT (AP) — March was the bloodiest month yet in Syria's 2-year-old
conflict with more than 6,000 documented deaths, a leading anti-regime
activist group said Monday, blaming the increase on heavier shelling
and more violent clashes.

Rami Abdul-Rahman, who heads the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights,
said the increased toll is likely incomplete because both the Syrian
army and the rebel groups fighting President Bashar Assad's government
often underreport their dead in the civil war.

"Both sides are hiding information," Abdul-Rahman said by phone from
Britain, where his group is based. "It is very difficult to get
correct info on the fighters because they don't want the information
to hurt morale."

The numbers, while provided by only one group, support the appraisal
of the conflict offered by many Syria watchers: The civil war is
largely a military stalemate that is destroying the country's social
fabric and taking a huge toll on civilians.

The increase also reflects the continuing spread of major hostilities
to new parts of Syria. While clashes continue in Aleppo, Damascus and
Homs, Syria's three largest cities, rebels have launched an offensive
in recent weeks to seize towns and army bases in the southern province
of Daraa, largely with the help of an influx of foreign-funded
weapons.

The Observatory, which works through a network of contacts in Syria,
said those killed in March included similar numbers of combatants on
both sides: 1,486 rebels and army defectors and 1,464 soldiers from
the Syrian army.

But the number of civilians killed exceeded them both: 2,080 total for
the month, including 298 children and 291 women.

In addition, there were 387 unidentified civilians and 588
unidentified fighters, most of them foreigners fighting with the
rebels, bringing the March total to 6,005, Abdul-Rahman said.

He criticized the international community for not doing more to stop
the bloodshed, which he said could increase.

"If there is no solution, we think the numbers will get worse in the
coming months," he said.

The March toll surpassed what had previously been the deadliest month,
August 2012, when airstrikes, clashes and shelling killed more than
5,400 people, Abdul-Rahman said.

His total death toll for the conflict through the end of March was
62,554, a number he acknowledged as incomplete, suggesting the true
figure could be twice as high.

Besides the underreporting of dead fighters by both sides, he
mentioned the tens of thousands of missing persons and captives held
by the regime and the rebels. The fate of these people is rarely
uncovered, he said.

He also said more than 12,000 pro-government gunmen known as
"shabiha," along with government informers may have been killed by the
opposition and never reported.

The constant stream of new reports, in addition to the lack of free
access to much of the country, makes full investigations impossible.

"Since there are more dying every day, it is very hard to go back and
document those who died before," Abdul-Rahman said, calling for an
independent international investigation inside Syria.

The Observatory's numbers are not as high as those given by the United Nations.

On Feb. 18, a U.N.-appointed Commission of Inquiry on Syria issued a
131-page report saying about 70,000 people had been killed in the
conflict. The report compiled and corroborated death reports from a
number of different sources.

The U.N. has not updated its number since.

The Syrian government does not provide regular death tolls for the
conflict. Syrian officials did not immediately comment on the reported
death toll.

Assad's regime describes the conflict as a foreign conspiracy to
weaken the country carried out by terrorists on the ground.

In an attempt to boost that argument and rally regime supporters,
Assad's wife, Asma, broke her long silence on the events shaking the
country in a video shown on Syrian TV stations over the weekend and
posted on the Internet.

In the professionally produced 14-minute video, she was seen greeting,
hugging and kissing women who were described as the mothers of Syrian
soldiers killed in battle.

The video, titled "With Your Soul, Protect the Jasmine," said it was
filmed during a reception on Mother's Day, which is celebrated in much
of the Arab world on March 21. Asma Assad, dressed casually and
speaking in Arabic, thanked the mothers for their sacrifice.

"Instead of fearing for yourselves, fearing for your lives, you feared
for all of Syria," she said. "Instead of your children fearing only
for you, they feared for all the mothers in the country. They went to
protect the country kno

[proletar] Trading of Women Rife in East Afghanistan, Report Claims

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

aulohu akbar, aulohu akbar aulohu akbar, Islam itu emang agama yg
benar shg cewek bisa dijualbelikan kayak kambing.

Teddy dan arra_s pasti mikir gua lg muji2 Islam, makanya duo dungu itu
diam aja kalo gua lg "muji2 Islam", hehehe...

TOLOnews.com, March 31, 2013
Trading of Women Rife in East Afghanistan, Report Claims
... women that have been sold three to five times and in some cases
sold along with their daughters

By Shakila Abrahimkhil

The sale and exchange of women as goods is rampant in Afghanistan's
eastern Nangarhar province with as many as two women traded per day,
according to the findings of a sociology researcher.

In a report obtained by TOLOnews, researcher Assadullah Ahmadi stated
that he found some women had been traded up to five times in three
Nangarhar districts – Rodat, Mohmand, and Shinwar – as part of the
socially-accepted use of wives and daughters as possessions.

"It is [happening] in Mohmand and Rodad, and all of the Shinwar, and
the spot of sale is the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan," Ahmadi
said.

In his report, Ahmadi says that the eastern Afghan women were often
sold across the border into Pakistan and usually for less than the
cost of a mule.

"There are even women that have been sold three to five times and in
some cases sold along with their daughters. When we went to them, we
came to know their price is less than a mule," he said.

Afghanistan's Ministry of Hajj and Islamic Affairs on Saturday told
TOLOnews that it is aware of women being sold in Afghanistan and
especially in eastern Nangarhar province, stating that it is a
cultural practice that even the clerics are not capable of preventing.

"There is no doubt that women are being sold, and for three reasons:
past practices, poverty, and illiteracy. The women whose husbands
doubt them, the women that are not liked by their husbands, and the
women whose husbands are poor are sold. However they are not sold as
servants but they do the Nikah," said Dai-ul-Haq Abed, deputy minister
of Hajj and Religious Affairs.

The Nikah is the temporary or fixed-term marriage allowed in Islam
under certain conditions.

"In a discussion with the Hajj and Religious Affairs of Shinwar, they
told us that it's a very ingrained trend. We have tried to work on
this issue through Islamic means. The phenomenon is decreasing but not
eradicated," Abed added.

The Nangarhar provincial council also acknowledged it was a problem,
saying that for years women have been sold in Shinwar and that elders
of the tribe are involved.

"The selling of women has been out there in the past and now. One who
overlooks this matter, overlooks the truth," said Mofti Moeen Shah, a
member of the provincial council.

"In our tribe of Shinwari, they do it [sell the woman] when the
husband dies," he added.

According to the council, aside from being traded for money, girls as
young as five-years-old are given to victims of crimes committed by
the girl's family member. After receiving her, the victim will often
sell the girl and keep the money.

"In districts of Nangarhar, there are married women between ages of 16
to 80 who are sold when either her husband needs money or wants to
marry another girl," said Angiza Shinwari, a member of the provincial
council.

"This practice has been done for years now, and it has recently
increased because there is no rule of law and there is no punishment
of the criminals," she added.

However Nangarhar deputy governor Mohammad Hanif Gardiwal, while
admitting that there was abuse of women, rejected that they were being
sold.

"[We accept that] ill-treatment of women is present. We have acted
against it with officials from districts, education department, and
the clerics so that they can make people and the youth understand that
women cannot be sold or given as 'baad' [traded in return for
crimes]," he said.

Read more:
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2013/03/31/trading-of-women-rife-in-east-afghanistan-report-claims.html#ixzz2PLvCb1pp

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[proletar] Pakistan Muslims To Kill Mother, Relatives Over Christian Conversion’

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Hehehe... si tawangalun boleh2 aja kaing2 ttg orang masuk Islam, tp
gua jamin dia akan terkecning2 mencawat ekor ga berani bersuara sama
sekali atas kasus di mana orang keluar Islam mau dibantai oleh orang
Islam.

Mungkin si tawangalun dan para bajingan islam lainnya setuju kalo
orang keluar Islam dibantai, tp sebagian besar begitu pengecutnya shg
ga berani ngomong apa yg jadi pendapat mereka di muka umum.

Atau, para bajingan ini kaing2 nyerang orang yg nunjukin kebiadaban
orang Islam dan ajaran Islam tsb.

(btw, ada orang2 dungu yg ga tau pengertian "boleh2 aja", cuma gua lupa siapa)

http://www.bosnewslife.com/27466-pakistan-muslims-to-kill-mother-relatives-over-christian-conversion

‘Pakistan Muslims To Kill Mother, Relatives Over Christian Conversion’
Monday, April 1, 2013 (8:58 pm)

By BosNewsLife Asia Service

LAHORE, PAKISTAN (BosNewsLife)-- Muslims in Pakistan's Punjab province
have threatened to kill a young woman as well as her husband, child
and in-laws because she abandoned Islam and converted to Christianity,
BosNewsLife learned Monday, April 1.

Maria Manzoor, 26, and her 27-year-old husband Emmanuel Ghulam Masih
said they are hiding with their "beautiful one-year-old daughter"
Yarusha Emmanuel after receiving death threats.

"We have shifted from one place to another even in the last week," the
couple explained in remarks obtained by BosNewsLife. "We have changed
the location of residence, but now we are tired. We fear for our
lives."

Friends and pastors have been reluctant to provide them a shelter,
amid security concerns.

Maria Manzoor said the threats come from her Muslim relatives and
Islamist extremists. And, "I am told that my family is making threats
to my husband's father to bring me back and hand me over to my
family", she added.

ACCEPTING CHRIST

The woman, who claims to have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior
four years ago, said she is prepared to die for Him. "I have a strong
faith in Jesus and have no fear of being killed for my faith. I would
be proud to die for Him." However, "I am concerned about our little
child," she added.

Additionally, Muslims have threatened to kill her husband and other
relatives, confirmed their attorney Sardar Mushtaq Gill. "They have
also threatened to kidnap her husband's sisters and kill the couple
and other relatives," added Gill, director of the Pakistan-based
advocacy group Legal Evangelical Association Development (LEAD).

The "hate campaign" emerged this year after Maria's Muslim family
found out about her Christian conversion and that she visits a local
church while being pregnant of a second child, said her father-in-law,
Ghulam Masih.

The 58-year-old Masih told BosNewsLife in obtained remarks that he
"received numerous threats of dire consequences" if he does not
handover Maria to the Muslims.

Authorities in the city of Lahore, where the couple lived, haven't
made live easier.

NATIONAL IDENTITY

Maria Manzoor said an official responsible for national identity cards
and birth certificates recently "used many abusing words" when asked
to change her religion from Muslim to Christian in documents.

"She said this would never happen and asked many questions about my
Christian marriage certificate. The officer and her colleagues also
threatened my husband of dire consequences because of our marriage and
my conversion from Islam to Christianity," she recalled.

"My husband and me ran away from NADRA Registration Center [in Peco
Road Township of Lahore] for the safety of our lives."

LEAD's Gill said his group now tries to provide accommodation for the
couple and other relatives threatened by Islamists.

He said the incidents confirm a wider trend in Pakistan. "Muslim
society condemns their marriage and conversion which is, according to
[the strict interpretation] of Islam punishable by death," Gill noted.

PAKISTAN CONSTITUTION

"Though the Constitution Of Pakistan...allows to profess and to accept
any religion or faith" [or inter-religious marriages] "Muslim society
does not accept a Muslim girl who marries someone from another
religion, including Christianity," he told BosNewsLife.

"There are many examples in which couples lost their lives because of
this reason."

Maria Manzoor said she had asked Christians "to pray" for them and
support them morally or financially. "We are starving and in hiding
here and fear for our lives."

Pakistan's government has said it wants to tackle Islamic extremism in
the country.

It has been reluctant however to tackle controversial blasphemy
legislation under which minority Christians and others have been
detained. (With reporting by BosNewsLife's Stefan J. Bos).

(BosNewsLife, the first truly independent news agency covering
persecuted Christians, is 'Breaking the News for Compassionate
Professionals' since 2004).

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Re: [proletar] Daya tarik Islam

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Hehehe... mualaf jadi tuang bantai.

Di agama apa orang yg masuk agama tsb lalu jadi tukang bantai?
Kayaknya cuma Islam satu2nya, nunjukin bhw Islam itu emang agama bejad
dan biadab.

Bahkan, yg ngaku Islam protestan, Islam abangan atau Islam agnostik jg
msh tetap bajingan keparat.


On 4/2/13, kim  wrote:
> Kisah berpola lama, kisah orang-orang bule yang menjadi mualaf.
> Daya tarik Islam bagi mualaf utk menjadi teroris itu bisa setaraf dengan
> zaman ke-emasan ideologi Komunis, yang mana, orang-orang
> borjuis bule ikut berpartisipasi dalam gerakan revolusioner komunis.
>
> Disebutkan pada tgl 16 Januari kemarin, diantara teroris muslim
> yang menyerang pabrik gas dinegara Aljazair itu, beberapa diantara
> mereka disebutkan ada dua orang berwarga negara Kanada.
>
> Salah satunya bernama Xris Katsiroubas, keturunan Yunani. Dia di
> lahirkan dari keluarga kelas menengah di Ontario. Lingkungan yang
> menyenangkan. Dibelakang rumah ada kolam renang pribadi, tidak
> jauh dari rumah dikelilingi banyak danau. Kalau hari sabtu dan
> minggu orang-orang berlayar memakai perahu pribadi atau mengguna-
> kan kayak.
>
> Yang membuat merinding bulu kuduk sebuah keluarga Barat, jika
> pada suatu hari mereka mendapatkan anaknya sudah masuk Islam.
> Sejak hari itu juga Xris Katsiroubas mempunyai keanehan dan mu-
> lai berteman dengan orang-orang mencurigakan " "hanging around
> with weirdos."
>
> Beberapa tahun kemudian "merinding bulu kuduk" keluarga Xris Katsiroubas
> menjadi kenyataan. Ya tepatnya pada tgl tgl 16 Januari
> tahun ini, Xris Katsiroubas tewas ditembak serdadu Aljazair.
>
> Bagi seseorang yang berjiwa lemah, daya tarik Islam itu mem-
> buat seseorang menjadi edhan. Xris Katsiroubas beli tiket pe-
> sawat untuk pergi jauh meninggalkan teman dan keluarga dan men-
> darat digurun sahara dan dia serahkan jiwa raga sebagai teroris
> untuk Islam.
>
>
> sumber:
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/01/f-algeria-canadians-militants-hostages.html
>
>




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Re: [proletar] Berita99 : Pemuda Muhammadiyah Desak DPR Bentuk Pansus Kasus Lapas Sleman

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Kita bandingkan hasilnya dgn apa yg tjd pd pejihad2 di jalan auloh yg
ngebantai orang2 Ahmadiyah di Cikeusik dgn kejinya.

Ada polisi di Cikeusik, ada rekaman video yg nunjukin tampang tukang
bantai, jadi saksi2 atas pembantaian itu banyak.

Hasilnya, hehehe... yg dihukum itu cuma segelintir dan max cuma dpt
hukuman 6 bulan (kalo ga salah), sedangkan korban yg selamat (biarpun
babak belur dan harta bendanya habis) dihukum lbh lama.

Apa pemuda Muhammadiyah pernah kaing2 unt ngebela orang Ahmadiyah? Gua
rasa, mereka mungkin muji2 pembantaian keji tsb.

Kalo yg ngebantai di Sleman ini dihukum, brp lama hukumannya
dibandingkan dgn pejihad2 tukang bantai di Cikeusik ini?

On 4/2/13, Bukan Pedanda  wrote:
>
> Pemuda Muhammadiyah Desak DPR Bentuk Pansus Kasus Lapas Sleman
>
> Ketum PP Pemuda Muhammadiyah Saleh Partaonan Daulay mendesak DPR
> membentuk panitia khusus untuk kasus Lapas Sleman
>
>
> Wijaya Kusnaryanto, Berita99  1 April 2013 jam 09:00
>
> DPR didesak bentuk Pansus kasus Lapas Sleman (antara)
>
>
> JAKARTA - Pasca aksi penyerangan brutal ke Lapas Cebongan, Sleman yang
> melibatkan institusi TNI dan Polri. Ketua Umum Pimpinan Pusat Pemuda
> Muhammadiyah, Saleh Partaonan Daulay mendesak DPR untuk segera membentuk
> panitia khusus terkait kasus tersebut.
> "Pansus diperlukan terutama untuk menggali informasi dari petinggi Polri dan
> TNI. Pasalnya, adanya isu saling tuding dalam kasus itu berimplikasi negatif
> bagi kedua institusi keamanan tersebut," kata Saleh Partaonan Daulay di
> Jakarta, Minggu (31/3).
>
> Selain itu, Saleh menilai walaupun sudah berlangsung seminggu, belum ada
> tanda-tanda identitas para pelaku bakal terungkap. Kalau dibiarkan
> berkepanjangan, maka kasus ini bisa semakin rumit dan melebar kemana-mana.
>
> "Dengan fungsi pengawasannya, DPR bisa membentuk pansus. Kalau berkenaan
> dengan isu politik, DPR kelihatannya cepat membentuk pansus. Sementara kalau
> terkait kasus keamanan, DPR kelihatannya tidak begitu bersemangat,"
> jelasnya.
>
> Dia berharap kasus tersebut tidak sampai menimbulkan kesan bahwa lembaga
> pemasyarakatan di Indonesia tidak aman untuk membina para narapidana.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [proletar] Re: Al Jazeera: Ragia Omran: Abused in Egypt

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Nabi lu piara bini dan budak sampe belasan atau lbh, ngentotin bininya
yg berjumlah 9 atau 11 semalaman.

Ga gila sex tuh nabi lu?

On 4/2/13, arra_s  wrote:
>
>
> yg ngomongin sex disini cuma elu doang Tem..
> plus junjungan elu..
> nyadar ngga sih..???
>
> jadi yg gila sex itu ya elu sendiri..
> beserta gerombolan..
>
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2  wrote:
>>
>> Makin Islami, makin gila sex orang2 Islam dan makin bejad kelakuan
>> mereka ke cewek.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/31/13, Bukan Pedanda  wrote:
>> >
>> > Penindasan perempuan di Dar al Islam...
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

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Re: [proletar] item jusplik & kisah amal zakat

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Hehehe... lu ngebela gua dgn ngecam si joni dan reza? Kapan tuh?

Lu cuma kaing2 si reza ngomong vulgar, dan gua ga pernah tau (emangnya
gua doyan ngebaca ocehan lu) kl lu pernah ngecam si reza dgn ocehan yg
lain dan ngecam si joni.

Lu ga pernah ngecam si joni krn dia ngefitnah bapak gua, yg lu
kaing2in itu ga lbh dr lu bilang tentara itu bajingan atau whatever.

Lu ga pernah ngecam bangsat2 tukang fitnah Jusfiq (dan biniya) krn lu
sendiri termasuk bangsatnya.

Hehehe... kaing sok suci, padahal justru si habe ini adalah raja
bangsat tukang fitnahnya. Betul2 bangsat ga punya malu sama sekali.



On 4/2/13, Habe Proletar  wrote:
> tem, gue udah membela elu dengan mengecam si joni dan reza
> sekarang lu mau gue bela melawan si ayub?
> gue bisa bikin ayub minta maaf sama elu
> sujud dan tafakur
> asal...
> jangan lupa
> amal buat anak yatim
>
> deal?
>
> seratus juta lu kasih ke orang
> masa ngasih buat anak yatim piatu aja lu keberatan
>
> kagak salah lagi
>
> lu memang penipu numero uno
>
>
>
> 
>  From: itemabu2 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [proletar] item jusplik & kisah amal zakat
>
>
>
> Hehehe... si kunyuk hasan basri bangsat ini emang ga punya malu sama
> sekali.
>
> Dia ngoceh bhw ga patut Jusfiq ngomongin orang yg ga ada hubungannya
> dgn milis ini, tp dia sendiri diam aja ngeliat sesamanya ngomongin
> orang yg ga ada hubungan dgn milis ini.
>
> Bahkan si keparat hasan basri ini ngedukung perbuatan sesama
> kunyuknya, misalnya waktu dia kaing2 ngedukung ayub_yahya ngefitnah
> Jusfiq ngejual bininya.
>
> Kalo nyamain kunyuk dgn hasan basri itu sebetulnya ngehina kunyuk, krn
> kunyuk aja ga serendah si hasan basri, biarpun kunyuk itu suka nyolong
> barang orang.
>
> On 4/2/13, Habe Proletar  wrote:
>> item pernah menepuk dada, soal duit ratusan juta
>> yang menurut pengakuannya dikasih begitu saja
>> bantuan buat orang papa
>> walaupun dia tidak kenal namanya
>>
>> juplik sejak jaman sriwijaya
>> acapkali berjanji membantu siapapun di milis ini
>> yang perlu perawatan psikis berupa terapi atau rawat inap
>> slogan dia yang terkenal " nanti akan saya bantu "
>>
>> semua jelas, selayaknya penipu bisa ngomong setinggi puncak jayawijaya
>> sampai ketika dilakukan audit, ketahuan ternyata angka dan janji diatas
>> cuma sekedar buntalan kibulan
>>
>> jangankan ratusan juta, begitu berhadapan dengan angka sejuta aja si item
>> langsung joging mengikuti jusplik
>> sambil lalu, dia menganggap "ketukan hati " yang gue lakukan melalui
>> tangan
>> dua orkay, reza dan joni bagai gonggongan anjing chihuaha di pengkolan
>> Hooigracht
>>
>> sedang janji mener jusplik soal bantuan yang berhadapan dengan kenyataan
>> pahit
>> ( kucing kurus mandi di papan, kalau belum mapan, kenapa dari dulu ngga
>> bilang? )
>> direduksi menjadi " jualaah laptop anda, jualah mobil anda, jualah motor
>> anda "
>>
>> inilah kisah ronggeng amal zakat sahabul hikayat dari mereka berdua
>> memperkuat opini, pedit dan bakat nipu itu memang alamiah adanya..
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[proletar] Awalnya Daniel Streich benci masjid

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik Tawangalun


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Daniel Streich, anggota Partai Rakyat Swiss (SVP) menjadi sosok
terkenal. Bukan saja awalnya dia sangat menentang keras pembangunan
masjid di negaranya, melainkan dirinya secara mengejutkan berpindah
haluan menjadi seorang Muslim.

Situs islamicbulettin.com melaporkan Streich penganut kristen taat. Dia
dibesarkan dengan ajaran Kristiani dan semasa kecil pernah bercita-cita
menjadi pastur. Namun ketika remaja niatnya berubah. Ia mulai gemar
berpolitik dan tanpa ragu terjun langsung menjadi anggota partai ternama
di Swiss.

SVP bukan partai sembarangan. Di dalamnya terdiri dari cendekia,
ilmuwan, pelajar, dan pegiat bukan dari kalangan Muslim. Partai ini
menjadi penentang nomor wahid penyebaran Islam di Swiss. Dan Streich
adalah sosok yang paling vokal menyerukan penutupan masjid di seantero
Negeri Cokelat ini.

Streich mempropagandakan anti-Islam ke seluruh negaranya. Ia menaburkan
benih-benih kemarahan dan cemoohan bagi umat Islam di Swiss. Ia merasa
mimbar dan kubah masjid tidak cocok dengan budaya negara itu. Ia juga
menuding Islam sebagai agama teroris, pembuat onar, dan kekerasan.

Dalam usahanya menyingkirkan Islam dari Swiss, lelaki ini malah
mempelajari Al-Qur'an dan Islam. Ia berharap dengan memahami ajaran
Nabi Muhammad itu, dia mampu meruntuhkan iman kaum Muslimin. Yang
terjadi, ia malah terpesona dengan ajaran rahmatan lil `alamin ini.

Semakin jauh Streich belajar Islam, semakin tenggelam dia dalam
keindahan ad-Din samawi itu. "Banyak perbedaan saya dapatkan ketika
mempelajari Islam. Ajaran Islam memberikan saya jawaban logis atas
pertanyaan hidup penting, dan tidak saya temukan di agama saya,"
katanya.

Presiden Organisasi Konferensi Islam (OKI) Abdul Majid Aldai mengatakan,
orang Eropa sebenarnya memiliki keinginan besar mengetahui Islam dan
hubungan antara Islam dengan terorisme, sama halnya dengan Streich.

Dulu, Streich sering meluangkan waktu membaca Alkitab dan pergi ke
gereja, tapi sekarang ia membaca Al-Qur'an dan melakukan shalat lima
waktu setiap hari.

Dia keluar dari SVP dan mengumumkan status Muslimnya. Streich bilang,
dia telah menemukan kebenaran hidup dalam Islam yang tidak dapat ia
temukan dalam ajaran/keyakinan sebelumnya.

IslamIsLogic.wordpress.com

Pasti Yusfiq akan ngatain Streich orang dungu ha ha ha.

Tawangalun.



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Re: [proletar] Re: Ohio: Son shoots father in church, screaming, "This is the will of Allah," media goes into coverup mode

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik itemabu2

Hehehe... si dungu yg ga bisa bedain antara kedubes Saudi di Indonesia
dgn kedubes Indonesia di Saudi ini msh aja terus pamer ketololan.

Maklum, dungu sih.



On 4/2/13, ayub  wrote:
>
>
> tapi benerkan gosipin perkosaan..
>
>
> hombreng mesum..."This is the will of Allah,"
>
> LOL
>
>
>
> 
>  From: itemabu2 
>
>
>
>
> ayub_yahya lagi pamer kedunguannya, ga bisa bedain antara kedubes Arab
> Saudi unt Indonesia dgn kedubes Indonesia unt Arab Saudi.
>
> Bahkan, kayaknya si ayub_yahya ga bisa bedain antara Arab dgn Arab Saudi.
>
> Udah dungu, malahan pamer kedunguannya. Betul2 super dungu.
>
> On 4/2/13, ayub  wrote:
>>
>>
>> akhirnya ngakuin.. ngapain nongkrong di kedubes arab
>>
>> cuma ngegosip perkosaan doang !?
>>
>> hombreng mesum...
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  From: itemabu2 
>>
>> Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ohio: Son shoots father in church, screaming,
>> "This is the will of Allah," media goes into coverup mode
>>
>> Pernah dubes Arab Saudi unt Indonesia ditanya masalah penganiayaan thd
>> tkw Indonesia, jawab si dubes itu adalah sama, "itu adalah kehendak
>> auloh".
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
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>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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[proletar] Re: perkenalkan : jay "airplay" graydon

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik liver_duke

sebetulnya klo mo jujur, bens pernah berjasa terutama
buatku saat berani bikin opini rada beda dari mainstream
saat itu yg dikuasai aktuil sampe hai. mana doi ngocehnya
di majalah gadis yg paling banter ngulas industri keroyokan
ala nkotb ato yg dirasa paling garang si rick springfield.

kalo sekarang sih cuma kebaca sbg orang yg melek informasi
dan punya jalur cepet (persis arswendo, yg taon 80an boleh
dianggap dewa serba tau), kebetulan jurnalis dan punya peduli
yg leluasa menawarkan opsi. rada kecium oportunis emang, maka
itulah ada kesan "seleranya gk ketebak" biar misterius hehee
tapi oke deh, istilah "pop kreatif" juga asik kok, memorable.

oya, christ kayhatu .. dulu yg sering di green pub sebelum
akhirnya digantikan era eki lamoh itu yag? trus terang kiprah
para ambon manise hingga fenomena "nada dan apresiasi" ini, gk
nyantol ato luput dari radarku. entah kenapa .. ekslusive?
perlu pencerahan lebih dalam dari petarung jaman nih hehee

ps. cd gold? wah kudu periksa dulu di rak alam sutera nih,
sementara daku sudah di seberang pulau. yang kuinget berupa
album printed out dari luar. ya mana ada sih distributor yg
berani bayar lisensi demi muasin segelintir gino vannelli-ers?
pastinya kurawat aman dan gk bakal sekolah apalagi sampe ke
brunei sonoh hehee .. ok, kuanggap kayak anak juga deh ;o)

salam deh kalo memang sering kontak, siapa tau bisa gitaran
bareng juga .. boleh bawain "rainbow" ala lee atau nunung,
juga ngejajal "ambon manise"nya christ maupun casiopea ;o)

(masih sebel dgn gol ibra yg jelas offside)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvSuV5HXtY

 

--- "ajeg"  wrote:
>
> 
> Ya, bener. Lebih ngejobim. 
> 
> Selain "Melati di Atas Bukit" & "Merindukanmu" di lagu 
> selebihnya dia kayak lagi ngajarin gimana cara nyanyiin 
> lagu-lagunya (kecuali "Biru" yang malah jadi sutra ungu 
> beneran di bibir vina). 
> 
> Bens Leo barangkali memang punya kuping bagus. Tapi 
> seleranya nggak ketebak, yang pribadi maupun yang komersil. 
> Beda dengan pak menteri kita, Gita, yang komersilnya nekat 
> jualan boys & girls band, tapi selera pribadinya ketara 
> jazzy & tradisional - sementara ini masih kesengsem Bali. 
> Ya bagus aja sih ada orang macam Bens yang "ngasbak" nggak 
> ketebak. Malah barangkali perlu untuk munculin pemain-pemain 
> baru yang punya warna sendiri di tengah ramenya grup replika 
> saat itu. 
> 
> Tapi, balik ke jazz jaman itu, pemain "baru" yang main jazz 
> dengan 'bener', artinya bisa bikin kuping obladi-oblada ini 
> berdiri, ya cuma Christ Kayhatu yang pencetan organnya model 
> guru les piano (haha) dikombinasi vokal ala boz scaggs (al 
> di "Sembilan Musim") & Nunung Wardiman yang seraknya sexy. 
> 
> Ps. 
> CD gold bukan? Terpaksa "disekolahin" lantaran hidupnya 
> lagi rumit. Mau ditebus lagi barangkali lantaran memori sama 
> bininya masih nyangkut di sana. Tapi ya cuek aja, dia mah 
> gampang-gampang aja orangnya. Cuma, bisa serius banget 
> kalo urusan soal anak. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=PPDbAChK0qY&vq=large
> 
> 
> --- "liver_duke"  wrote:
> 
> > perkara "air", mungkin juga lantaran "suply" yg satu ini
> > lebih deket serta mendayu dari oz menerpa kuping indonesia.
> > 
> > padahal era 80an itulah sedang marak2nya "para belagu" yg
> > sok beda. juga merasa terpanggil sbg wakil pembaharu musikindo
> > fase "fussion" (untuk membedakan dgn angkatan 70an yg lebih
> > berkiblat eropah/rock oriented, termasuk revolusi dang dut
> > ala blackmore). kebetulan memang marak pula serbuan gimmick
> > produk amerika yg mengandalkan penampilan, mulai dari mtv
> > hingga bunyi penuh stacatto dilabeli "adult oriented rock".
> > 
> > maka seorang wartawan muda (bens leo) merasa punya jimat
> > sbg andalan baru untuk memukul hegemoni buyunk cs (aktuil),
> > konon disebutkan-nyalah menjadi "pop kreatif musikindo".
> > berdampak selain menghajar benny soebardja cs yg mendadak
> > jadi toku, bahkan termasuk keenan&gank juga fariz menjadi
> > gk ajaib dan gk ajib lagi. justru yg malah survive dan jadi
> > terkesan gk kena dampak adalah pantje dan judi kristianto
> > berikut gerombolan gadis kalendernya tentu. label musik pop
> > kreatif jadi begitu keren merajai radio, mirip taka-tiki.
> > 
> > gejalanya dimulai saat vina dan adie ms mudik ke indonesia,
> > (gw yakin ide lagu "burung camar" akibat kelamaan dengerin
> > lagu "nothing you can do about it"), oddie agam hijrah dari
> > malaysia sambil ngajak sheila madjid, bagoes aa bergabung
> > dgn deddy dhukun, dan .. muncul satu "belagu" yg lagi kita
> > omongin ini, langsung pasang label "jazz vokal indonesia".
> > 
> > tentu selera produsen kaset indonesia yg memang terkenal
> > sungguh kreatif (walau harus membajak), teramat mendukung.
> > lupakan serial dream express, kini saatnya mengumpulkan
> > kompilasi adult jazz-rock oriented, fussion sekian, dst.
> > maka nama musisi yg menjadi referensipun menyerbu berikut
> > hits di radio, era breakin' away-nya jarreau, sindikat grp,
> > tentu airplay (gw lebih demen nyebut "pro

[proletar] tribute to jay "rockmaker" graydon

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik liver_duke

mungkin ada yg demen "bukan cinta biasa" dari suara afgan?
buatku yg menarik selain backing orkestra, adalah aksen garang
gitar elektrik terutama saat solo milik baron. gitaris yg sejak
di kampus dulu udah pamer jagoan sbg solis antara lain liwat
atraksi "always with me, always with you"-nya joe satriani.

resep jitu semacam blended yg menjadikan "bukan cinta biasa"
jadi gak biasa alias sanggup melebarkan segmen, sering dijajal
kayak michael jackson ngotot harus eddie van halen di beat it.

konsep dan sensasi demikianlah yg membuat seorang jay graydon
menjadi berbeda dan patut dibicarakan. selain pilihan selera dan
sayatan gitar sanggup bikin beda juga unik, campur tangan jay
lebih vital ketimbang musisi studio, aranger, bahkan produser.

seorang al jarreau bakal jontor ampe tenggelam ber-scat "rondo
ala turka", kalo gak dibedah jay dgn format segar breakin' away.
bahkan jawara ibanez george benson perlu sentuhan doi melalui
"turn your love around" demi meraih kesuksesan internasional.
pernah denger vokalis italia, alan sorrenti, yg pernah punya
balada kesayangan se nusantara "if you need me now"? hits yg
menyelamatkan karirnya jadi nongol di google akibat lagu tsb.

mirip peter allen yg kudu nyembah jay ketika sudi meng-acak2
album "bi-coastal" yg menelurkan hits "fly away", namun jagoan
buatku adalah "pass this time" yg kentara "adult contemporary".
sekaligus menyelamatkan pamor "bi-coastal" yg berkonotasi gay
(peter allen "dituduh" menikahi liza minnelli hanya menutupi
orientasi seksualnya, juga numpang tenar lewat pamor mertua),
sehingga bi-coastal dibaca "bertemunya west-east coast music"
karena peter dianggap mewakili musik ala kabaret dari new york.

akhirnya satu kontribusi jay yg dianggap signifikan selain
jadi referensi termasuk kiblat sebagian musisi pop kreatif,
adalah saat mendorong beberapa rekan pendukung bermusiknya
untuk keluar studio, berani bikin group berkarakter mandiri.
merekapun lantas menggelar sang inisiator sbg "rockmaker".

*ps: ada yg demen "steely dan" di sini gak, sementara
skor mendadak 2 - 2 di prancis ..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXyVEu-bK-k





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[proletar] Re: bahasa kalbu..(arra_s jelas belum berobat ke psikater...

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik arra_s


Plik..
masih hidup??
he3x..
yg lain nya lagi nonton bola..
kamu lagi ngapain Plik??

btw jadi mau ketemuan ngga?
saya udah mau berangkat nih..



--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda"  wrote:
>
> 
> arra_s jelas belum berobat ke psikiater...
> 
> Omongannnya masih kaco aja.
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > sadis kamu Plik..
> > masak pasangan hidup di bilang nya "urang Rumah.."
> > 
> > mana itu kesetaraan gender yg suka kamu gembor2 kan..
> > kalau sebutan buat pasangan nya saja sudah bertendensi melecehkan..
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "johny_indon"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > uplik ngga pernah bilang dia menikah.
> > > malah dia ngga pernah bilang marlene itu "istri".
> > > sebagai gantinya dia pake kata "urang rumah".
> > > keliatannya dia emang menghindari pernikahan dan lebih suka kumpul kebo.
> > > karena pernikahan artinya tanggung jawab.
> > > dan dia bukanlah tipikal orang yg mau bertanggung jawab (e.g. kasus alex 
> > > aan).
> > > 
> > > so, buat duke, arra ngga lagi ngomongin "suami" orang.
> > > karena dalam dunia perkeboan ngga ada istilah suami istri.
> > > 
> > > demikian penjelasannya.
> > > silahkan uplik membuat pledoi.
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > kalau bicara komunikasi antara suami isteri..
> > > > ya susah kalau jenis suami nya kayak Uplik..
> > > > dia seperti nya robot..
> > > > ngga menggunakan akalnya..
> > > > sukaan nya malah ngurusin istri orang lain..
> > > > istri sendiri ngga di urusin..
> > > > 
> > > > diantara suami isteri itu..
> > > > ada yg namanya "bahasa kalbu.."
> > > > anggap ajah nama nya ini..
> > > > 
> > > > sinonim kata kalbu adalah sanubari, nurani, lubuk hati, bathin..
> > > > jadi bisa dibilang bahasa kalbu adalah bahasa yg datang dari lubuk 
> > > > hati..
> > > > 
> > > > ketika komunikasi dengan kata kata atau isyarat banyak terdistorsi yg 
> > > > mengakibatkan pesan dalam komunikasi tidak sampai.. 
> > > > maka bahasa kalbu adalah penggantinya..
> > > > hanya 2 orang yg saling mengenal yg dapat menangkap pesan nya..
> > > > 
> > > > sehingga apabila salah satu nya mempunyai keinginan.. misalnya..
> > > > ingin pelesiran?
> > > > ingin beli sesuatu?
> > > > ingin romantisan?
> > > > ingin di masakin makanan kesukaan?
> > > > ingin tidak di ganggu?
> > > > 
> > > > dengan bahasa kalbu..
> > > > tanpa meminta.. sudah di tawari lebih dahulu..
> > > > 
> > > > ngga ada tuh yg namanya semua keinginan..
> > > > mesti didiskusikan dari a sampai z..
> > > > capek banget..
> > > > biasanya kalau perempuan suka bilang begini..
> > > > jangan tanya tanya kenapa.. pokok nya saya lagi males masak..
> > > > kita makan di luar saja..
> > > > 
> > > > beda lagi dengan masalah2 penting..
> > > > yg bukan sekedar keinginan..
> > > > seperti  menentukan pendidikan anak..
> > > > membeli property..
> > > > rasanya suami istri malah pingin nya di diskusiin..
> > > > dari pada nanti nya disalahkan kalau ternyata hasil nya ngga sesuai..
> > > > 
> > > > banyak juga sih yg bahasa kalbu suami istri macet..
> > > > terlalu banyak karatan karena " egoisme.."
> > > > 
> > > > dan buat Uplik..
> > > > ngga usah ngomong deh tentang kesetaraan gender..
> > > > cuma di indonesia saya banyak lihat..
> > > > suami bekerja keras..
> > > > ttp ketika ingin membeli sesuatu kesukaan nya..
> > > > si suami mesti minta ijin pada istri nya..
> > > > karena si istri yg atur semua keuangan rt..
> > > > 
> > > > namun ketika si istri ingin sesuatu kesukaan nya..
> > > > dalam 10 menit pertama si suami lgs mengijinkan..
> > > > dari pada pusinggg.. denger rengekan, argumen..
> > > > yg bisa ber jam jam.. ber hari hari.. sampai ijin keluar..
> > > > 
> > > > biarpun begitu
> > > > tetep saja si suami makin sayang sama si istri..
> > > > 
> > > > ngga akan hal begini terjadi di Belanda sono..
> > > > ya kan Plik?
> > > > tetapi mana bisa anda mengerti ini?
> > > > wong anda ngga bekerja keras sih..
> > > > kenalilah bahasa kalbu istri sendiri..
> > > > bukan bahasa kalbu nya si Item..
> > > > 
> > > > bahasa kalbu perempuan yg seragam kepd suami nya  adalah..
> > > > jadilah suami yg bertanggung jawab dan tidak egois..
> > > > maka kaum perempuan dgn sukarela akan mendampingi kemana saja..
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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[proletar] Re: brand, not product : mini market starmart mengecewakan

2013-04-02 Terurut Topik arra_s


ogah ah..
"berbagi cinta" sama orang Minang..
ntar minta acara di jemput segala..

padahal bagi wanita minang..
di japuik.. ( = di jemput )..
artinya menjemput marapulai..

cukup sekali ajah saya manjapuik..



--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pinpinyuliansyah"  
wrote:
>
> arra mesti lihat iklannya windows 8.
> mooto nya unik :"berbagi cinta"
> , , ,
> itu iklan windows 8 lho ya . . . 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > mang nya si manis jembatan ancol ngga bakalan nyap nyap..??
> > he3x..
> > 
> > dah bosen kali doi nyap nyap..
> > lagian doi nyap nyap bukan engga setuju..
> > tapi khawatir ikutan..
> > ha3x..
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pinpinyuliansyah"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > hihihi. . . 
> > > celana pendek saya kayak nya lebih mahal deh dibanding celana kikim yang 
> > > suka dipakai pakai kemeja putih plu dasi kupu kupu  :)
> > > 
> > > ra, pisang molen nya dikirim ke mana neh ? 
> > > heu heu 
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > ngga usah meng ada2 deh..
> > > > pake bilang istilah doang..
> > > > udah jelas kamu tuh lagak nya ngga ketulungan..
> > > > 
> > > > tahu celana pendek?? 
> > > > nah itu bukan kolor..
> > > > celana kolor masuk kelompok underwear..
> > > > paham??
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "kim"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "arra_s"  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > memang nya kenapa dengan tukang ojek?
> > > > > > kamu itu yg lagak nya orkay..
> > > > > > memandang rendah dari profesinya..
> > > > > 
> > > > > Cuman istilah neng, malahan tukang ojek mah pake pakean yg wajar.
> > > > > Ngomong-ngomong emangnya kamu mau punya pacar/suami yang pergi ke-
> > > > > luar rumah pake kolor, yang mana kagak disengaja, biji peler nongol
> > > > > diantara lipatan kolor heh ?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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