Re: Sublist (Was: Virus-infected listmembers)
From: Virginia Chism [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 13:32:05 -0500 I also find it entertaining to watch all the traffic the spammers inspire. 25+ copies of the virus on this list alone, nearly 80 virus reports from 2 broken reporting entities (yes, I kept track just for fun), and maybe 150 email griping about same! Not to mention the myriad email requests for information on the best antivirus software to use. I'm glad someone tracked this. I'd been kinda curious about the statistics on the stuff that I was massively deleting. Do you also track the number of messages Robin sends telling other people how clueless they are and now many messages those people post back defending themselves? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: RES: Block Users!
From: Daniel Abad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:40:32 -0300 Yes... It's done but not working I can telnet at 110 with the user and send the message... 110? Do you mean 25? badmailfrom blocks smtp, not pop. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: RES: RES: Block Users!
From: Daniel Abad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:57:04 -0300 Ops! Sorry about that... Yeah! I put the address and still can send mail Should work. Does for me. Are you sure you're typing the bad address in as an envelop sender, not as a header sender? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: scan-4-virus NAI not stopping SirCam
From: John McCoy, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:54:10 -0700 Anybody else got this issue? I'm using .95 and latest DAT (7/22) qmail-scanner-0.90 and uvscan-v4.1.40/v4149 are stopping it just fine. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Request for advice (qmail-remote) Part II
From: Greg Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:58:33 +0930 The problem I am trying to resolve is where user3 mails user4 at the address [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not want the mail to be sent back to the central mail server and then returned to the address [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Instead I would like the branch mail server to realise that user4 is a local user and just deliver the mail to user4's local mail store. I suspect the easiest thing to do would be to get the qmail-ldap patches and install ldap. Keep the master LDAP database on the central server and run replica databases on each on the branch servers. Each server would then be able to use LDAP to determine where the mail really belongs. I haven't used all the functionality that this would require, but I'm fairly certain that qmail-ldap has everything you'd need. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: FYI: Windows is better
From: Medi Montaseri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 05:46:42 -0700 Microsoft is like a little convertable sexy car, good for running to the store to buy a pack of cigarette. But if you decide to haul 18 tons of lumber, it is not the right vehicle. As such, how many average people use 18 ton trucks? And as such how much work is done by the trucking (or transportation) industry? As a Miata driver, I'd like to point out that far too many people drive things which have more in common with the 18 ton truck than they do with my car. I don't like your analogy because it inaccurately puts me (as a Miata driver) in the same category as Windows users, but I think in the real world the Windows users are more like the SUV drivers who have something that feels powerful and safe, but isn't. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: I think I'm being relayed through, but I don't know how.
I've got a slightly old set of qmail-ldap patches. I guess I'd better upgrade! Thanks. Chris From: Johan Almqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 14:43:04 +0200 * Johan Almqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010607 12:59]: * Chris Garrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010606 20:44 = ]: I've got this in my queue: Your patched qmail-smtpd seems to have a buffer overflow problem. Vis: And attached is the confirmation. -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: I think I'm being relayed through, but I don't know how.
From: Chris Garrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 09:38:56 -0500 I've got a slightly old set of qmail-ldap patches. I guess I'd better upgrade! For those who made an attempt to help me out, I'd like to report that it was all due to my own stupidity. my smtp.cdb file didn't have what I thought it had in it and I was relaying with or without a buffer overflow. I'm feeling pretty stupid today. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
I think I'm being relayed through, but I don't know how.
/8.10.0.Beta10) with SMT P id e0GKEKk19201taffar (pool-209-138-205-92-dlls.grid.net [219.138.205.92]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (ts029d25.nil-ny.concentric.net [216.173.24.181]) To: Undisclosed Recipients From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Could you use this? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 10:42:20 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal :: /var/qmail/queue/remote/2/48256 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@mindless.comDswee [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@mindless. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@mindles [EMAIL PROTECTED]@mindless.com so it appears that the message arrived from pppa16-resaleeasternmab1-3r7830.dialinx.net at 4.45.125.13. I don't know why this wasn't rejected by tcpcontrol. I'm using RPMs based on bruce's, and this is how smtpd is started up: [root@austin-jump network-scripts]# more /var/service/smtpd/run #!/bin/sh . /usr/lib/qmail/run-functions # If rblsmtpd is installed, process rbltimeout rbldomains, and antirbldomains if [ -x /usr/bin/rblsmtpd ]; then readdefault domains antirbldomains for domain in $domains; do rblopts=$rblopts -a $domain done readdefault domains rbldomains for domain in $domains; do rblopts=$rblopts -r $domain done readdefault timeout rbltimeout 60 if [ -n $rblopts ]; then rbl=/usr/bin/rblsmtpd -t $timeout $rblopts fi fi # Start daemons. uid=`id -u qmaild` gid=`id -g qmaild` readdefault concurrency concurrencysmtpd 20 do_ulimits exec tcpserver -u $uid -g $gid -c $concurrency -v -X \ -x /etc/tcpcontrol/smtp.cdb 0 smtp $rbl \ fixcrio qmail-smtpd Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: I think I'm being relayed through, but I don't know how.
From: Chris Garrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:44:56 -0500 For the record, I've added that envelope to my badmailfrom and deleted a bunch of stuff by hand, but I'd still like to know how they managed to use me as a relay. My configuration hasn't changed. It also seems to me that this list is running very slow right now. Is it possible that some spammer found an exploit and is also hitting muncher.math.uic.edu in the same way I was being hit? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: softdnserror problem
From: Joel Uckelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:15:11 -0500 Furthermore, the IP that shows up in the header when it's working is a local IP---192.168.254.101---which it should find in /etc/hosts without needing to resort to DNS. The lookup order in /etc/host.conf has hosts before dns, so it should be looking there first. Red Herring. qmail (and most MTAs, I believe) only use the DNS and never look in /etc/hosts. Is it possible that this is your issue? Try checking things out with dig or nslookup. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: I think I'm being relayed through, but I don't know how.
From: Kourosh Ghassemieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:36:59 -0700 Actually, it looks like they tried to send to those users but you don't have them and they bounced. If they forged the sender then the bounce can't go through and you'll eventually get a double bounce to postmaster. That's happened to me a couple of times. Check the logs to see what they say. According to your tcp.smtp.cdb file you're not an open relay. But my point is that mindless.com isn't even my domain. The ones that say 'done' were relayed and shouldn't have been. The attempt to send to mindless.com should have been rejected by tcpserver because it's not in my control/locals. Chris At 01:44 PM 6/6/2001 -0500, you wrote: I've got this in my queue: 5 Jun 2001 14:44:17 GMT #48256 5651 [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither mail.com nor mindless.com are my domains snipped -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: I think I'm being relayed through, but I don't know how.
From: Chris Garrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 16:40:03 -0500 From: Kourosh Ghassemieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 14:36:59 -0700 Actually, it looks like they tried to send to those users but you don't have them and they bounced. If they forged the sender then the bounce can't go through and you'll eventually get a double bounce to postmaster. That's happened to me a couple of times. Check the logs to see what they say. According to your tcp.smtp.cdb file you're not an open relay. But my point is that mindless.com isn't even my domain. The ones that say 'done' were relayed and shouldn't have been. The attempt to send to mindless.com should have been rejected by tcpserver because it's not in my ^ I meant 'qmail-smtpd'. control/locals. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: I think I'm being relayed through, but I don't know how.
From: Kourosh Ghassemieh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:30:15 -0700 Well, what do the logs say? It's possible that a spammer sent mail to random addresses in one of your hosted domains and had them listed in the BCC: field. The return address being forged as to be from mindless.com. Since the users in your domain are non-existent the messages are trying to bounce to the sender, which is refusing some of them as being non-existent as well. You'll see them double-bounce once they time out. I'm not that experienced at reading headers so I'm not 100% certain but sounds logical. When an email message is composed, addresses are extracted from the To, CC, and BCC headers and placed in the envelope. They are never again consulted. The envelope addresses determine where the message gets sent. When qmail gets a message, it looks at the envelope and puts the contents in queue/remote and/or queue/local. The contents of those files are what is displayed by qmail-qread, so we know that the envelope contained a bunch of mindless.com addresses and did not include any addresses from my domains. Again, what do the logs say? They can help quite a bit in diagnosing problems. You should be able to find when they came in and from where and why they are being refused, if they are. What do the logs say? They're being refused because some of the addreseses were bogus and the real mail server for mindless.com rejected them. Actually, I lost the logs because before I discovered this problem, I blew them away due to their having filled my file system to 100%. In hind sight, I realize this is almost certainly because I was relaying spam at the time. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: I think I'm being relayed through, but I don't know how.
From: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:19:21 -0600 Chris Garrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got this in my queue: 5 Jun 2001 14:44:17 GMT #48256 5651 [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] done remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] remote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neither mail.com nor mindless.com are my domains Okay so far. [root@austin-jump network-scripts]# more /etc/qmail/control/rcpthosts [no mindless.com] my smtp.cdb contains: 10.:allow,RELAYCLIENT= :allow Looking at the guts of the message in the queue, I find: [...] Received: (qmail 2993 invoked by uid 104); 5 Jun 2001 14:44:17 - Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by austin-jump.vircio.com with qmail-scanner- 0.90 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4127. . Clean. Processed in 3.91906 5 secs); 05/06/2001 09 :44:13 Received: from pppa16-resaleeasternmab1-3r7830.dialinx.net (HELO oemcomputer???1 02.74.4.25???by?mtiwmhc08.worldnet.att.net??InterMail?v03.02.07.07?118-13 4??with ?SMTP?id??2116195506.ZOOK28505@oemcomputer??from?worldnet.att.net???1 2.77.19 4.15???by?mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.netmindspring??user-3qt5hn.dialup.mindsp ring.co m?99.174.150.55???by?smtp6.mindspring.com??8.9.3/8.8.5??with?SMTP?id?OAA0 6398??f rom?110140321worldnet.att.net???102.70.21.32???by?mtiwmhc98.worldnet.att. net??In terMail?v03.02.07.07?118-134??with?SMTP?id?20090116195452.ZOMX28505@11094 0321wor [...] That's a lot of garbage. It's either the world's worst attempt at forging Received: headers, or perhaps qmail-scanner is broken in this instance? Any other rewriting going on? No. so it appears that the message arrived from pppa16-resaleeasternmab1-3r7830.dialinx.net at 4.45.125.13. I didn't get that far in the headers; there appeared to be a lot more garbage, so I'm not sure I agree with you. If you look at the line with all the garbage, and remove the stuff in the first parenthesis, you get: Received: from pppa16-resaleeasternmab1-3r7830.dialinx.net () ([4.45.125.13]) (envelope-sender [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by 216.30.106.234 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 5 Jun 2001 14:44:12 - which was written by qmail. I did a reverse lookup of pppa16-resaleeasternmab1-3r7830.dialinx.net myself getting 4.45.125.13 just like qmail. I don't know why this wasn't rejected by tcpcontrol. You aren't rejecting anything with tcpserver; you're accepting all connections. How it got relayed is another matter. Er, yeah. I meant qmail-smtpd. To trace this, you need to find the qmail qid in this message, then go through your qmail-send logs to find out where this message originated and how. Based on the timestamp you find there for new msg ..., look in your qmail-smtpd logs. That will tell you exactly where the message originated. Unfortunately, I blew away my qmail log recently because it filled my /var to 100%. :-( In hindsight I think this happened because I was relaying SPAM. Perhaps you have a CGI script which sends mail, and contains a security hole? Not on this box. Or something else is letting people into your 10. address space? Maybe. -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Advanced masquerading
From: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:35:46 -0600 Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marek Szuba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also asked in numerous places places and noone was able to help me. I've started wondering if qmail is capable of handling such complicated transpations at all, and whether I shouldn't restart using sendmail after all... I'd like to hear more about how sendmail handles such configurations. I'm not sure its relevant. The whole address-rewriting thing is a sendmail-ism that should just go away; it must have originated in an effort to compensate for other, unrelated sendmail design flaws. It's all a historical thing. The problem that sendmail was designed to solve back in the uucp days is different from the problems that modern MTAs are designed to solve. The hardest part of uucp mail was the address rewriting, so sendmail went through amazing contortions in order to solve this problem. Internet mail doesn't need to do any rewriting at all, so the bulk of the code in sendmail is there to solve a problem most of us don't have. I was fortunate in never having actually been stuck on the end of a uucp link, but even in those days sendmail's rewriting rules often got in the way of just getting the mail there. The S in SMTP stands for Simple. Not having to rewrite addresses is one of the great simplifications. I'm not surprised that Marek is having such trouble trying to find people to help him make his qmail installation imitate broken sendmail behaviour. I'm also not surprised that he gets a lot of sarcastic or snide replies. I can't resist the temptation either. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: failure notice
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Re: Handling high volume lists
From: Robin S. Socha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 14 May 2001 22:30:00 +0200 * Bruno Wolff III [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 10:18:45AM +0200, Robin S. Socha [EMAIL PROTECTED] et wrote: [dupes] Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see a Mail-Followup-To header in your message. Are people supposed to guess whether or not you are on the list or whether or not you want a cc header listing your address so that your mail filter can handle the message differently. Everyone here is on this list unless otherwise stated. Noone therefore wants Cc:s unless otherwise stated. How long have you been in a technical environment? Since you made a point about not wanting cc's I manually removed it from this message. You are one hell of a luser. Cool... I'm glad I'm not the only one declared one hell of a luser by Robin this week! I'd hate to be the only one...it would make me feel soinadequate. I'd like to state for the record that I'm on the list and I want CC's because if I'm actually providing something useful to a conversation, the sooner I get the other side's messages, the sooner I can say something useful. I leave the headers unedited because that means the default behavior of most mail clients will be to do exactly what I want. I'm not cc'ing Robin even though he hasn't put the appropriate headers on his message because I see no need to accelerate his ability to flame me. (Besides, I'm already a luser, so what more do I have to luse?) Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Handling high volume lists (was: Newbies vs. arrogant experts)
From: Robin S. Socha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 13 May 2001 10:18:45 +0200 * Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010512 20:57]: Chris Garrigues writes: As it is, I consider unsubscribing several times a week (and it's not because of the newbies). I send qmail list traffic into its own mailbox, and read it once a day. It's kind of handy, because I can see the questions which don't get answered, and sometimes I answer them if I feel so led. ... But it's much easier to whine and groan, Chris, instead of taking some action, isn't it? After all, your post was brought to us via softmail written by the same k3wl D00d3 who invented the Internet (no, not Al Treehugger Gore, but the Great Chairman Gill Bates himself), so it *has* to be okay, eh? Not. [ Since you mentioned me by name, I guess i won't ignore your generally useful message with a generally negative tone. ] I have no idea what you mean by softmail written by [Bill Gates]. My post was written in exmh which is layered on top of mh running under Linux and delivered using qmail via a firewall/mailrelay also running qmail to a mailing list running ezmlm and qmail to you. If there was anything written by Bill Gates, it's not on my end. Clearly you didn't look at the headers of my original message, and in fact, I'll assume you didn't even read it since you apparently decided for no good reason that I must be a user of microsoft software. Allow me to quote myself from the message that you ignored: I've been on this list now since late 1996 and in recent times, it's become almost intolerable with all the flamage. Somehow on other lists people manage to co-exist with newbies without having to extract a pound of flesh with every question. I suspect that if this list had been this rude in 1996, I would have stuck with sendmail. Most likely you looked at the one sentence that Russell quoted and thought to your self: Hey! An opportunity to prove to some whinny little twit how much smarter he'd be if he used the cool tools that I use. It's exactly this attitude that I was referring to in the parenthetical comment that Russell quoted. Can't we try to give the benefit of a doubt instead of looking at every post as an opportunity to prove that we have bigger opensource balls than the next guy? -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Newbies vs. arrogant experts (was: Newbie with tcpserver)
Well said in both these messages. I really hope that some of the self-appointed experts on this list take your example of civil behavior. I've been on this list now since late 1996 and in recent times, it's become almost intolerable with all the flamage. Somehow on other lists people manage to co-exist with newbies without having to extract a pound of flesh with every question. I suspect that if this list had been this rude in 1996, I would have stuck with sendmail. As it is, I consider unsubscribing several times a week (and it's not because of the newbies). Chris From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Robin S. Socha writes: * Paulo Jan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010510 11:00]: Considering the guy's name, perhaps English isn't his primary language and he isn't fluent at all with it, which would also explain why he wasn't able to express himself politely enough when rejecting the offer from that consultant, and had to resort to a basic-and-apparently-rude-sounding phrase like I was asking for free help. Did that thought cross your mind? Not for second. I'm German. I don't think. Please forgive Robin. English isn't his primary language, and he sometimes uses rude words and phrases that I'm sure he would never, ever say in his native German. From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Dave Sill writes: Second, the offer of commercial support made to Pablo was sent privately, not to list. Pablo's reposting it publicly is at least as rude as trolling the list for clients. The best way to troll the list for clients is to answer people's questions. Answering FAQ's is nice, but it's tiresome and contributes to lowering the signal/noise ratio on the list and it encourages other newbies to ask their FAQ's. Flaming them about it, though, produces triple the traffic: 1) The newbie's mail 2) The flamer's mail, and 3) The backlash against Robin. Ignoring FAQ's is the easiest and safest approach. It encourages the newbie to search the web, list archives, etc. and doesn't reward newbies by answering their question. It keeps the signal/noise ratio high, and it keeps the civility and morale high. Probably. But it demands a certain amount of Teutonic self-control. -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: SPAM Patches recomendations.
From: q question [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 10:30:52 -0500 From: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SPAM Patches recomendations. Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:06:00 -0600 It's also making some broken assumptions about how certain conventions in the local-part of an SMTP envelope recipient address translate into implicit relaying requests -- these conventions are not part of the SMTP specification, and qmail doesn't use them. The fact that sendmail (or Domino, or Exchange, or whatever) is broken enough to do so should not implicate properly implemented SMTP servers. I appreciate your describing this in detail. I'm going to need some time to reflect on these assumptions. The particular assumption that Charles didn't explain is that user%host2host1 or host2|user@host1 will be relayed by host1 to user@host2. Certainly software that does this is broken, but it's also perfectly legal for first%last@host1 or first!last@host1 to be delivered to an account on that machine. To assume that the only reason such an address would be accepted is to relay it is totally bogus. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: slow smtp connection
From: David Talkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:40:52 -0500 (CDT) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Robin S. Socha wrote: Also note that I am subscribed to this list. *Do* *not* *Cc* *me*. I've been guilty too. It's an unfortunate result of the lack of a 'Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' field, which causes the MUA to assume that a reply will go to you definitely, and the list maybe. That requires the responder to remember to take an extra step. If I don't specifically remove your name before I send, you get my brilliance twice for the price of once. Listproc can do this. I'm hoping ezmlm can too. (And no, I'm not asking. I haven't got that far. If it's in the docs, I'll find it. ;-) Reply-To used in this fashion is Considered Evil. RFC2822, in fact, explicitly says: The originator fields also provide the information required when replying to a message. When the Reply-To: field is present, it indicates the mailbox(es) to which the author of the message suggests that replies be sent. Note that a mailing list manager is not the originator. See also qmail's author's page: http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html as well as: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: RFC 2821 and 2822
From: Mike Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 01:49:24 +0300 Matthew Patterson wrote: I'm not very good at reading RFCs, so I can't be sure myself. Can anyone confirm that qmail 1.3 with the BigDNS and queuevar patches will be compliant with whatever standards may come out of RFCs 2821 and 2822? It could literally take years for RFCs to become standards, if they ever do. You don't have to worry too soon, I think. 2821 and 2822 are clarifications of 821 and 822; they don't throw away the existing standards. qmail should already be just as compatible as it was with the old standards. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: IP spoofed spam - off topic
From: mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:00:54 -0500 (CDT) hello, sorry for the off topic post. real quick; had a server x.x.x.110 running sendmail. getting complaints of spam originating from that box. removed IP, still getting complaints. turned system off, still getting complaints. Can an IP be spoofed so totally in mail headers? headers: Received: from mailserv01.dartgc.com ([207.34.255.70]) by southwind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21910 for x; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from ngqjz.msn.com ([x.x.x.110]) by mailserv01.dartgc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id H5VRZ1Y1; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:09:20 -0400 Again, sorry for the off topic post, and thanks. Who controls 207.34.255.70 and is it really mailserv01.dartgc.com? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
qmail-scanner handoff to qmail-queue not going well
all sorts of things in the wee hours, so I suspect that it's probably what allows things to finally flow, but what might be hanging things for that long? Would this be a symptom of qmail simply not running even though qmail-smtpd is? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: New qmail version request
From: Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:25:21 -0600 Much of the common patches that are around fail in one of the tests above, at least when using the author's stringent tests. There's nothing wrong with this; he keeps qmail secure, reliable, efficient, and "correct", and anyone who wants to applies patches as they see fit. I, for one, am hoping that 2.0 will have LDAP support which meets his standards. Of course, from what I've seen this means he'll have to write his own LDAP library and probably his own server as well. Not that that would be a bad thing, but securing everything that an MTA needs does seem to distract him into rather extensive tangents. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: djbcron
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:27:24 -0500 (EST) Michael Handler writes: What's really needed in this instance is a program that, given an execution schedule on the command line, figures out how long until the next scheduled execution, and sleeps that long (sleepuntil). Potential problem: clock shift (NTP resync, DST transitions) could confu se it. Maybe it has to wake up (SIGALRM) periodically and recheck the time until execution. Could get ugly. No, you need a program which scans a directory looking for files with a timestamp NOT in the future. Whenever it encounters any of these, it hands the file to the shell. Presumably the last line in the file either removes the file or runs a touch command to reschedule. I'd go ahead and write this problem, but I'm not sure how portable are future timestamps. I know that tar complains about future timestamps, but it sets them anyway. Anything else? If someone wants to write a cron replacement, they should spend some time looking at functionality provided by other non-unix based systems. A few years ago i had a gig teaching use of Tivoli Maestro, which is best described to Unixheads as "cron on steroids". It's a port of a mainframe scheduling tool that does some real cool things with dependencies. In my opinion, it has two main problems: 1) it doesn't "feel" like a unix tool, and 2) it's horrendously expensive. The neatest feature it has, however, is a very sophisticated dependency relationship, so you can say things like: Run job A on work days Run job B on holidays and weekends Run job C after either job A or job B has completed. (but don't run job C if A or B did not run). These dependencies are also cross system, so you can have a job that doesn't run on system X until another job has finished running on system Y. I started hacking together a proof of concept (in perl, so we know the performance would have sucked if I'd ever finished) using the future timestamp scheme that Russell describes a while back. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Need Arguments for qmail
From: Martin Akesson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:00:40 +0100 So, just because we have faster computers we should make programs that are not as efficient as they "used" to be? Your filosofy is pretty much what Microsoft is working on and I for one do not like it. If you can make it fast, then make is _fast_. Not because you have to but because you can, there is no need to write less efficient code just because a fast computer make the new, albeit slow, code run just as fast as the old code, the fast one, on an slow machine. Thats just being dumb. You can optimize for CPU time; you can optimize for programmer time; you can optimize for user time. You can't optimize for all three at once unless the original code was incredibly bad. The perl camel book actually breaks this down into 6 categories as follows: Time Efficiency Space Efficiency Programmer Efficiency Maintainer Efficiency Porter Efficiency User Efficiency and many of the advice in each of those sections contradicts advice in the other sections. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Install went fine, but won't work
From: "Miles Scruggs" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:07:46 -0600 Sorry if this is a repeat to the list but I just subscribed The install went just find but I have a problem 1.) I can't seem to to set the enviroment variable to allow me to have certain hosts relay. Below is the contents of my tcp.smtp 127.0.0.1:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" 192.168.1.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" This allows anything in the 192.168.1.* subnet to relay through your host. 192.:allow,RELAYCLIENT="" Isn't 192.* a non routable Class A that will not route on the net? ( I use it internally) Not true at all. 192 is where class C addresses start. Once upon a time, they were all in 192. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: A firestorm of protest?
From: "David Dyer-Bennet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:38:18 -0600 (CST) Felix von Leitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 15 January 2001 at 22:17:41 + 0100 Thus spake David Dyer-Bennet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Why? Because a patch implies that something is wrong, and needs to be fixed. However, when someone produces a "patch" for smtp-auth, tha t implies that qmail-smtpd has a problem that the patch fixes. I'd rather see people steal the necessary parts of Makefile, and Dan's library code, and create a stand-alone "qmail-smtpd-auth" program. A "patch" is also a recognized way to make an upgrade. The word "upgrade" also implies that there is something wrong or inferior with the original qmail. At some level we can't get around it; after all, the fact that we want to make some change to qmail suggests that the original code doesn't perfectly meet our needs. "Upgrade" suggests adding features, rather more than "patch" does; patches are often released to fix bugs. How about "addition" or "extension"? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: smtp auth
[ Added qmail-ldap list ] From: "Chris Garrigues" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:46:03 -0600 From: Juan Calderon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:29:10 -0500 hi guys. just a question. i've applied qmail-ldap-1.03-2701.patch and it's working fine. i also have pop3 and imap working (courier-imap 1.2.1). Now i need to use SMTP AUTH so i can deal with roaming users. i've applied qmail-smtpd-auth-0.26, but i can't get it work. docs say that i need checkpassword and cmd5checkpw, but they don't user ldap. how can i make it work? does anybody has something like this? thanks in advance Funny, I asked almost exactly the same question on the 26th... I installed it last night and my netscape users complained this morning, so I backed it out until I could test it properly. Keep me apprised about anything you find and I'll do the same for you. Well, I've figured out at least part of my problem although I don't know what to do about it. From QLDAPNEWS: Created a new auth tool for pop3 and imap. The old checkpassword is not needed anymore. The new programs are auth_pop and auth_imap. To have the possibility to compare cleartextpasswords (password how are stored clear text in ldap) define CLEARTEXTPASSWORD. Because this setting is a security disaster it is normally off. All other modes (hashed MD4, MD5, SHA and the standard DES crypt) are not affected. I checked the date on my checkpassword executable and lo and behold, it dates from April 21, well before I started working with LDAP. So...what do I use instead of checkpassword? I tried both auth_pop and auth_imap and in both cases, I get an out of memory error written into the log (I have smtpd logging patches applied as well.) Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
SMTP auth patch on firewall?
Can some one help me wrap my brain around something? I've got a mailserver behind a firewall using qmail with the LDAP patches. The firewall is running the same qmail executable (the LDAP part is fully enabled and as I type this it suddenly occurs to me that this may be a security issue, although maybe it would solve the problem I'm trying to solve right now). I'd like to patch my smtpd to allow SMTP AUTH on the firewall. What do I need to do? I'm thinking that since I have access to the LDAP server from the firewall, I can validate the users against that. Will it "just work" if I have both the LDAP patches and the SMTP AUTH patch installed? Is it a mistake to have an LDAP patched qmail on my firewall? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: [OT] iso-8859-1 charset problems
From: Martin Jespersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:00:41 +0200 Hi all i have written an sms forward filter in perl that allows me to trigger an s ms message to me if a mail matches my criteria. i then send an sms including the sender of the mail and the subject line. Now my problem is this: I live in denmark and thus it happens pretty often that a subject line incl udes non-standard ascii characters. subject lines with non-standard ascci characters are iso-8859-1 encoded, ex ample follows: =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E5_min_skat_-_jeg_g=E5r_til_afdelingsm=F8de_i?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Bredgade_nu_-_jeg_ringer_senere=2E_Kys_til_dig_fra_mig?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_=2AS=2A?= this subject actually reads: Nå min skat - jeg går til afdelingsmøde iBredgade nu - jeg ringer senere. Kys til dig fra mig*S* (if this looks weird don't worry -it's danish :) ofcourse this looks pretty silly in an sms message så what i would like is a way to convert this back to ascii I assume you mean you want to convert it back to iso-58859-1. I did this in tcl a while back. It's actually fairly simple, ?charset?Q?text? means that 'text' is encoded into ascii using quoted printable. quoted printable basically just says that '=dd' should be replaced with the code in hex. I think the actual conversion is a one liner in perl...something along the lines of 's/=(..)/chr(hex($1))/eg' (Note this is untested.) Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: qmail list reply-to
From: "Brett Randall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 07:00:06 +1000 Then the sender should ask for a Cc: - remember kids, it isn't called Courtesy Copy for nothing. I thought it was Carbon Copy? Considering that the majority of Internet users these days are so young that the have never seen carbon paper, that term seems to be as obsolete as "dialing" a telephone. At Stan Freburg said, "That went out with button shoes!" Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Help with my girlfriend?
From: "Ihnen, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:19:33 -0700 You know, alot of problems with the opposite sex might be easily figured if we had the log file... The computer doesn't say, "well, if you don't know, I'M not going to tell you!" Having just tried (unsuccessfully) to get freeswan up and running with a Sonic firewall, I can tell you that sometimes computers do say that. :-( Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Clients sending mail through qmail.
From: "Andy Abshagen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:03:01 -0500 We are in the process of setting up qmail for all of our clients. However when the clients send mail the mail does not go through. I know I've seen some similiar problems on the archives of the list. However I'm kinda at a loss. I though qmail by default allowed mail to be sent through if the mail was from a valid domain on the server. Am I wrong in assuming this? If so what do I need to do to fix this situation. Do you have any logs or error messages to share? Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: [OT] Achieving Time-Synch at mailserver
From: Peter van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:12:32 +0200 On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 03:58:45PM +0100, James Raftery wrote: On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 11:39:32AM -0300, martin langhoff wrote: The other machine has a intermittent connection, so I'm looking for a way to synchronize on a command (instead of a daemon). The xntp package includes ntpdate. It does just this. Am I too misguided? How are you guys keeping machines in synch? xntpd, even on dial-up machines. But when does xntpd send out requests then? It seems to only do so every once in a while, and if I'm not dialed in at that time, it fails. You can set the period in the configuration file. I believe the default is every 64 seconds (needs to be a power of 2). Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Why qmail can not receive hotmail messages?
From: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:28:35 -0400 On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 04:03:29PM -0400, Dave Sill wrote: The RFC says "should" not "must" or "MUST", so Jost is correct: the RFC's don't *demand* it. But, again, in practice, mailers do treat empty MX's in the way the RFC suggests. At least, I'm not aware of any that don't. The author uses "should" in this fashion all through the document -- I am inclined to believe that he intends it to be more of an imperative and less of a suggestion. adam@beetlejuice:~$ grep should rfc974.txt | wc -l 29 adam@beetlejuice:~$ grep must rfc974.txt | wc -l 5 Those darned RFCs with 3 digit numbersthey were so undisciplined in those days about following the rules that hadn't been written yet. It's amazing that the ARPAnet worked at all! ;-) Next you'll be telling us that RFC823 requires us to use 7 bit characters in all email. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: You sure do (was Re: I have a problem)
In private mail, he admitted to me that he was running version 4.03 of libgadzooks instead of version 4.04. After updating that, he's okay now. I don't know how he missed it, it's clearly documented at http://10.9.8.7/~joeblow/mycoolstuff.old/gadzooks.html Chris From: John Gonzalez/netMDC admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:58:40 -0600 (MDT) no no no, you've got it all wrong. He needs to have a close inspection of the quazidariarian, especially section 6.4.A of the manual. Surely, that will fix the problem. On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Stephen Bosch wrote: | Ima Guru wrote: | | I have a problem with qmail. Can someone tell me how to fix it? Thanks! | | Sure! Reconfigure your frombulator and make sure that the permissions | are correct on your flarm scripts. | | HTH, | | Stephen | -- ___ _ __ _ __ /___ ___ /__ John Gonzalez/Net.Tech __ __ \ __ \ __/_ __ `__ \/ __ /_ ___/ MDC Computers/netMDC! _ / / / `__/ /_ / / / / / / /_/ / / /__ (505)439-0200/fax-437-3052 /_/ /_/\___/\__/ /_/ /_/ /_/\__,_/ \___/ http://www.netmdc.com [-[system info]---] 10:55am up 117 days, 16:58, 4 users, load average: 0.29, 0.24, 0.19 -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Alias Support Question
From: "tom.sarratt.jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:04:10 -0500 1)Actual contents of the ~alias/.qmail-postmaster file: One Line: tom:sarratt:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm fairly sure that is a place where you do *not* want to substitute ':' for '.'. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Off-Topic: Maildirs as folders
From: "Len Budney" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:30:50 -0400 (EDT) "Chris, the Young One" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoted from Len Budney: I want to put together a CLI which uses maildirs as folders, in the spirit of MH (but not necessarily a clone). I'd be interested...Yes, I'll join the mailing list. Cool! I must get to grips with how MH works, but after that it shouldn't be hard... I hope. Well, not too terribly hard. Hmm...it's just now occurring to me that not many people are already familiar with MH. It was the default at Syracuse University (until they switched to Pine), so I sort of assumed that every one had used it at some point in their lives...Don't I feel like a dinosaur. As an exmh user, I think it would be nice if its UI were close enough to MH that exmh could be made to work with it. I'd actually thought about a re-coding of MH in Perl once upon a time, but I only got as far as the 'scan' command before I decided it wasn't going to be fast enough for use. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Acceptable Characters?
From: Magnus Bodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:03:30 +0200 But RFC821 also says that "SMTP implementations must take case to preserve the case of user names as they appear in mailbox arguments" and since I can create users with different casing, in this case the SMTP implementation isn't taking care of this, isn't so? that's in reference to mailboxes on other systems. The idea is that you can't assume that any other server will unify the cases. About all that can be said is that qmail isn't wrong here. You can't quite make a case that qmail is right. Either approach is legal by RFC821/RFC822. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Unable to receive MIME messages
From: "Rick Glunt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:07:31 -0400 1) Open to suggestion to replace fetchmail 2) Error messages vary. One sample is "This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME messages." This means that either your mail reader doesn't recognize MIME headers or something else is stripping those headers off the message. The first thing to do is to look at the headers on the message and see if it has Mime-version and Content-type headers. If it does, the problem is your mail reader; if it doesn't, the problem is something else, which that particular message refers to as your "gateway". Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Changing uid numbers with BruceG's autouidgid patch
If I'm running with BruceG's autouidgid patch and want to change the uids and
gids that qmail uses, am I correct in assuming this will work:
/etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail stop
/etc/rc.d/init.d/smtp stop
/etc/rc.d/init.d/pop3d stop
/etc/rc.d/init.d/imapd stop
vi /etc/passwd # Do my dirty business
vi /etc/shadow # Do more dirty business
cd /var/qmail
find . -follow -user oldnum -exec chown alias {} \;
find . -follow -user oldnum -exec chown qmaild {} \;
find . -follow -user oldnum -exec chown qmaill {} \;
find . -follow -user oldnum -exec chown qmailp {} \;
find . -follow -user oldnum -exec chown qmailq {} \;
find . -follow -user oldnum -exec chown qmailr {} \;
find . -follow -user oldnum -exec chown qmails {} \;
find . -follow -group oldnum -exec chgrp qmail {} \;
find . -follow -group oldnum -exec nofiles qmail {} \;
/etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail start
/etc/rc.d/init.d/smtp start
/etc/rc.d/init.d/pop3d start
/etc/rc.d/init.d/imapd start
I wanted to ask before I try it.
Chris
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Re: Revert to Sendmail
From: "Steve Wolfe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 13:24:50 -0600 How do I revert back to sendmail? Sendmail installation instructions are available from www.sendmail.org. 3. Added the setuid bit on the sendmail binary: # chmod 777 /usr/lib/sendmail By all means, leave it world-writeable like that. That way, any normal user on your system can overwrite it with the contents of their choice, and thus gain root access. ...and by the way, this does *not* turn in the setuid bit. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: domain splitting
From: Sheer El-Showk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:13:32 + (WET) Thanks, but my real concern is that all the mail NOT go through a SINGLE mail server (in terms of bandwithd). If I do what you suggested [EMAIL PROTECTED] still has to go through location A (the full message, including attachements has to be received at that location) which means that it becomes a bandwidth bottle-kneck (and since there will be many locations all with very little bandwidth supporting a large organization this can be a problem). At least that's how I understand it -- if you know some way that location A could tell the outside server just to route directly to location B, that's what I'm really looking for (sort of a SMTP user-based server resolution). Please correct me if I misunderstood what you said or if it doens't require full mail routing through location A. By the way, an entirely qmail solution shouldn't be a problem since the my clients seem to like the idea of linux and I am a big fan of qmail ;- This is doable as long as you find some reasonably automated way to maintain the .qmail files that forward the users identically everywhere. Make domain.com a virtual domain at all locations. Tell qmail at all locations that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is really [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is really [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so on. Point MX records equally at all your locations. The outside world will send the mail to one of your hosts which will then forward it to where you really want it. I'd probably maintain the .qmail-domain-* files for the virtual domain in one central location and then rsync or rdist them to all the servers at the same time. Also, I think qmail-ldap has a facility for doing this more magically out of LDAP. Chris On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: Sheer El-Showk writes: I would like to host mail for a single domain (ie all users should be [EMAIL PROTECTED]) on several (geographically distributed) machines, with users in each area receiving their mail at the local mail sever. The hard part is, as bandwidth is a limiting issue, I don't want all the m ail to be forwarded through a single host (eg if user1 at location A is sending a 5 MB attachement to user2 at location B, I don't want that t o have to bounce off some central mail sever at location C). This means that all the mail servers serve the same domain name but have to be distinguishable (via DNS or sonmething sendmail does) by users served. Qmail lets you implement this using virtualdomains. You can virtualize a domain on a per-use basis. So tell the qmail running at location A that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is actually [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately, both sites A and B have to be running qmail and must be configured with the user table. There's no global way to do what you want. I suggest that you colocate the central mail server somewhere where there's plenty of bandwidth, and configure it with the user table. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com | If you think Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | health care is expensiv e now 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | now, wait until you see Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | what it costs when it's free. -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Softgoods payload app using PayPal and qmail?
From: Thomas David Kehoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:40:38 -0700 Comments, suggestions? Would this be easier to do in qmail or in PHP? umm, qmail isn't a programming language. qmail could call a php script (or a perl script or a c program) which would do this. qmail is a replacement for sendmail. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: alert: cannot start: hath the daemon spawn no fire?
From: "Chris Garrigues" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:45:49 -0500 I just tried to bring up a merging of bruceg's qmail RPM and the qmail-ldap patch on a test machine and it fills the log with the message: alert: cannot start: hath the daemon spawn no fire? I'm sure this was something dumb I did in the merge, but since I see the message is in the unpatched sources, I was wondering what it means. Never mind. If I'd searched the archives I would have learned that this happens if you have the qmail-ldap patch and don't have a qmail/control/ ldapserver file. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
alert: cannot start: hath the daemon spawn no fire?
I just tried to bring up a merging of bruceg's qmail RPM and the qmail-ldap patch on a test machine and it fills the log with the message: alert: cannot start: hath the daemon spawn no fire? I'm sure this was something dumb I did in the merge, but since I see the message is in the unpatched sources, I was wondering what it means. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: SMTP port 25
From: David Benfell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:58:08 -0700 I'm still running inetd; the line I thought was applicable is: qmtp stream tcp nowait qmaild /var/qmail/bin/tcp-env tcp-env /var/qmail/bin/qmail-qmtpd I take it this won't do? That line starts qmtp, not smtp. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 4314 Avenue C Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: i-love-you-letter - Claus Farber.
From: Ricardo Cerqueira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:27:40 +0100 On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 08:15:55AM -0700, Nick wrote: Can we make it so the list wont accept his messages? i have gotten 4 i-love-you-letter.vbs atachments from this guy "Claus Farber" and im sure hes posting them to the whole list Thanks ~Nick Look again (and, while you're in the list, READ it)... It's his signature! The problem is that when people don't understand what's really going on, they work based on fear. Nick apparently understands things to the "ILOVEYOU is bad " level, but not beyond that. Of course, if he were actually reading the messages on this list, he might understand what was really going on, but that's another issue. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: i-love-you-letter - Claus Farber.
From: Jim Breton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:02:49 + On Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:43:33AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Claus has been attaching a signature to his messages which looks like an attachment to a borken mail reader, but not to any compliant mail reader. Firstly, I should say that my mail client is not broken. :) But since this topic has come up, I took a few minutes to test a Web mail application I sometimes use and have found that it does indeed think that such a signature is a "binary attachment." Where can I learn about the specifics of this problem? You mention that this will not happen with a "compliant mail reader," are you referring to a MIME spec? Is there an RFC I can read which will give me a clue as to how best to track down and report the flaw in that Web app? "Broken" might be overstating things. The clue is that there is *no* RFC that says that a mail program should see that as an attachment. It's an example of software authors creating risks by trying to do things automagically that probably shouldn't be done. How about instead of saying that your client is broken, we say it's doing something stupid and unnecessary. I guess that's not the same thing. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Multi-RCPT vs. Single RCPT delivery - logic error?
From: Dirk Harms-Merbitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:07:26 -0700 I have customers who regularly send 100+MB attachements. Email is the most convenient way for them to do this. Especially with a local SMTP server in their network. Why waste time tyring to convince them otherwise? We have a customer who's internet connection kept getting unusably slow. It turned out that they had several employees who thought that email was a great way to pass pornography around. Because the spooler was on the LAN, it seemed fast to them, so they didn't realize they were clogging the pipe by emailing dirty pictures to a dozen friends (each at different servers, so no redesign of qmail could solve the problem). In this case, the solution was to have their management tell them not to do that, but if it had been legitimate data, the solution would have been to use an FTP server. email may be convenient, but that just means that other paths aren't convenient enough. It would be better to have a common folder on everyone's desktop where they could drop the files. This even works across the internet, if you're a Mac user and have a (free) account on mac.com, you can mount a folder from there on your desktop to drop things on and any other mac.com user can mount it to read your files. That's more convenient than sending email, and much more efficient. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: using perl to send a list message
From: Justin Simoni [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:47:05 -0500 (EST)
not a qmail question, but if I understand what your
trying to do correctly, then isn't this what you want to do? :you
open (LIST,"/home/justin/www/cgi-bin/lovely_people.list");
foreach (LIST) {
#send mail to "$_"
}
thats how its doing it now ;) but i'd rather have qmail or sendmail handle
that for me,
1)it's probably more efficient for qmail to do the dirty work
2)this list has about 1000 people, and it takes more than a couple minutes
for perl to go through that all,making my program look like its hanging
;(
Short of installing exmlm-idx as was mentioned, why not just include all the
users on the command line something like this:
open (LIST,"/home/justin/www/cgi-bin/lovely_people.list") or
die "Couldn't open LIST: $!";
open (MAIL, "|/var/qmail/bin/qmailinject " . join(' ', LIST) or
die "Couldn't open pipe to qmailinject: $!";
print MAIL $mailmessage;
close(MAIL) or die "Couldn't close pipe to qmailinject: $!";
close(LIST);
[ Not tested, of course...you may need to chomp the lines from the file or
something... ]
Chris
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Re: funny
From: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:55:36 -0400 On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:03:18PM -0500, Ronny Haryanto wrote: This thread is silly and doesn't give any valuable knowledge. Both software are good and have their own +/-. Please let us keep this list objective and use it to discuss qmail. I would hate to see this becomes another flame war, I've seen it in postfix-users list, it's not good. This message is the first one in the thread that reminded me of anything like a flame war. Personally, I found it amusing to see a message with the subject line 'Re: funny' complaining that a thread was silly. What did he expect? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
qmail RPM that supports ldap?
I'm in the process of migrating towards LDAP. I just discovered (the hard way) that the pop3 daemon that I'm using (from the qmail-1.03-11ucspi RPM) doesn't see users who only exist in LDAP. So, since I eventually want to switch to a qmail with the LDAP patches, I guess it's time to ask if anybody's got an RPM with the LDAP patches. If not, (since I need an RPM based solution), which SRPM would be the best April 2000 starting point to add LDAP patches to? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: qmail RPM that supports ldap?
From: "Chris Garrigues" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:02:04 -0500 I'm in the process of migrating towards LDAP. I just discovered (the hard way) that the pop3 daemon that I'm using (from the qmail-1.03-11ucspi RPM) doesn't see users who only exist in LDAP. So, since I eventually want to switch to a qmail with the LDAP patches, I guess it's time to ask if anybody's got an RPM with the LDAP patches. If not, (since I need an RPM based solution), which SRPM would be the best April 2000 starting point to add LDAP patches to? Well, it turns out that by fixing the files in /etc/pam.d I solved my immediate problem, but my question still stands because I eventually do want to integrate the LDAP patches because of the additional functionality that they'll provide. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Error 1
From: Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:21:46 -0500 The answer is that they should use their ISP's server for sending mail. This will become more and more necessary as ISP's begin blocking access to outside mail servers. If you don't tell them this now, you are just going to have a headache later. I actually intercept outgoing traffic to point 25 and send it to my own server. I've only had one person notice this and when I explained why, he decided that he could see how that might be useful and didn't bother me about it any more. If ISPs did that instead of blocking access, this wouldn't be an issue. -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Slightly OT: Bcc - who is repsonsible
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:46:09 +0100 On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 09:15:22AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I think it is useful to consider there as being three types of mail programs instead of just two. There MTAs, MUAs and injection programs. I believe it is the injection programs' responsibility to strip bcc headers. The issue is a bit confused by sendmail, becuase the same binary runs in different modes as both an MTA and an injection program. I agree, this changes my original stand a little bit in that indeed _injection_ programs should strip Bcc's. Back in the 80's, when I was a Lisp Machine administrator, the Symbolics email system would send bcc'd mail *with* the bcc header to those who were on the BCC list and without it to those who weren't. This was kinda nice because you never had to wonder why you got a message that you were bcc'd to. Also you knew who else was on the bcc. Maybe not everybody thinks this functionality is a good thing, but if injection programs strip BCC, then it becomes impossible to provide. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Unix as it should be (OT)
From: Jon Rust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:36:56 -0800 Heh, I have that book. I picked it up one day after struggling to get ClearCase running on HPUX 8 (or was it 9?) for about 2 weeks. Not good for the UNIX newbie. It will really unnecessarily skew your opinion against the OS. So many of the UNIX "features" they listed were out of date, even back then (1994). It took me several years to get over some of the bias I picked up in that book. :-) And they never offered a solution for all of UNIX's short-comings. If a better OS can be made, why hadn't it? More of a "Whiner's Handbook" than anything, but still pretty funny in some parts. Hmm... I think I'll try to find it tonight... Well, it does require some context. First off, although the book was published in 1994, most of the stuff in it was about 5 years old even then. As far as why a better OS hadn't been made? Well, that's also part of the context. It's kinda a VHS beats Betamax or Microsoft beat Apple kind of thing. The *reason* most of us were griping about Unix so much is because we had been using better OSes and had to switch to Unix because our favorite OSes lost market share. I was a Lisp Machine administrator and before that worked for Symbolics. The Symbolics LispM was a great OS sold by a company that had no concept of marketing whatsoever. We used to talk about how the system was ten years ahead of the rest of the industry. Well, 15 years later, there are still things that it did better than anything out there. It's a terrible shame that it didn't get the opportunity to evolve into the era of the world wide web. See some of my entries in the book for more opinions on this topic (although they are 11 years ago now). And yes, there is a lot of whining in the book. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Unix as it should be
From: Pavel Kankovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:52:23 +0100 (MET)
On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Russell Nelson wrote:
Pavel Kankovsky writes:
Damned omnipotent root. I hate unix.
Well, my feeling is that Unix is well designed.
If unix was well designed... (in random order)
- access to network ports and devices could be controlled
as easily as access to files and block devices (no stupid arbitrary
rules like port1024 root only, port=1024 everyone)
- {sym,hard}-link races were not that tricky
- all objects (files, processes, users...) had a non-reusable id
- it would have a real resource allocation control
- if set[ug]id programs existed at all, it would be possible to
write them in a secure way without melting one's brain
- it had a decent IPC
etc.
I refer anybody who wants to know what 'etc' covers to find a copy of "The
UNIX-HATERS Handbook", by Simson Garfinkel, et. al. ISBN 1-56884-203-1
It's been out of print for a while, but if you can find it, it's an
entertaining read. (Full disclosure: I'm a contributor.)
Chris
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Re: multilog datestamping
From: A Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:30:26 -0800 (PST) Thanks Chris. Now that begs the question of why I should use multilog instead of syslog which does datestamp if you tell it to. It doesn't seem beneficial to add a superflous step. I apologize if this point seems irrelevant. The reasoning is that logging should be low-overheard. (I happen to be in the process of fighting with the fact that syslogd on my system likes to use 98% of the CPU and would much prefer if everything on my system used multilog.) Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: What MUA do you use?
From: "Mark E. Drummond" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:16:20 -0500 Wrong-o! Want to send a nicely formatted proposal (with appropriate highlights etc) to the department director so you can get funding for that million dollar server upgrade project? Good luck doing it in plain text. And tables? Sounds like a job for PDF. It'll even look the same everywhere. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Replacing delivery method...
From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Ond=F8ej=20Sur=FD?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:46:31 +0100 I just want to hear your opinions... How difficult would be to replace qmail-send and qmail-pop3d to put and pull mail to and from database (MySQL)? I don't like idea of overwhelming file system with milion of mails ;-) Or has anyone implemented this? You would prefer to overwhelm a database with millions of emails? I suspect you'll find the filesystem to be faster. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: What MUA do you use?
From: Andy Bradford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 12:39:00 -0700 I used exmh. It is a fairly configureable MUA and will do most of what you want. I don't read a lot of newsgroups so I don't now if it will handle those the way you like or not... It minimal, but it does what I want for news. (Or rather, the latest version does, due to some patches that I made.) If you want to read a small number of news groups as if they were a mailing list and are capable of remembering to click 'post' instead of 'send', it works good enough. If I ever have time again, I'd like to merge the 'post' and 'send' buttons to do the right thing in each context, but...more important and more interesting things are on my platter. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: What MUA do you use?
From: Bill Ataras [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:53:34 PST Just curious what people are using to read/send mail from X. I was using netscape (SMTP/POP) that came with my redhat dist, but wanted something with more features (multiple POP accts, filtering etc). I've been playing with "spruce" (check freshmeat). Its pretty good. But I'm curious what you guys are using. Now that I have an industrial strength mail server (qmail) I'd like a really good MUA. Maybe to help me use different mail accounts for different maillists and for usenet etc etc. Have you found a good mail client that will let you live on multiple maillists, usenet, spam/filter yada yada? exmh. It's clearly a "hacker" program in that it's usability is a bit rough in places, but it has incredible geek functionality and I could never manage all my mailboxes with any other package. I seem to have 178 mailboxes at the moment: cat .qmail*| grep rcvstore|sort|uniq|wc -l I've never used it with POP, but it has everything else you ask for. I think people who use POP with exmh use fetchmail or something like that. It also came with your redhat distribution, although there's a newer version out now. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: What MUA do you use?
From: "Dustin Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 19:55:57 -0600 Is it exmh that made that 0-byte attachment to your message? :) No it was outlook that interpreted a digital signature as a 0-byte attachment. ;-) Chris -Original Message----- From: Chris Garrigues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 6:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: QMail List Subject: Re: What MUA do you use? From: Bill Ataras [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:53:34 PST Just curious what people are using to read/send mail from X. I was using netscape (SMTP/POP) that came with my redhat dist, but wanted something with more features (multiple POP accts, filtering etc). I've been playing with "spruce" (check freshmeat). Its pretty good. But I'm curious what yo u guys are using. Now that I have an industrial strength mail server (qmail ) I'd like a really good MUA. Maybe to help me use different mail accounts for different maillists and for usenet etc etc. Have you found a good mai l client that will let you live on multiple maillists, usenet, spam/filter yada yada? exmh. It's clearly a "hacker" program in that it's usability is a bit roug h in places, but it has incredible geek functionality and I could never manag e all my mailboxes with any other package. I seem to have 178 mailboxes at the moment: cat .qmail*| grep rcvstore|sort|uniq|wc -l I've never used it with POP, but it has everything else you ask for. I think people who use POP with exmh use fetchmail or something like that. It also came with your redhat distribution, although there's a newer versio n out now. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O-Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Using logwatch to process cyclog logs
Has anybody successfully used logwatch to process cyclog logs? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
vacation program's envelope sender
I'm using Peter Samuel's qmail vacation program and a user complained because she got a bounce when it tried to tell a spammer that she was on vacation. Would it be a bad thing for vacation to set the envelope sender to something non-replyable like the mailer-daemon does? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: qmail on Linux
From: Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:43:50 -0500 (EST) Joe Millay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be better to re-install [Red Hat] Linux without sendmail and then install qmail? That would be nice, but there are two problems with that approach: (1) it's almost(?) impossible to install RHL without getting sendmail, even if you don't select it, because it's a prerequisite for many other packages, and (2) it's completely unnecessary: just do "rpm -e --nodeps sendmail". I use a modified version of the install image that includes qmail and excludes sendmail. Works like a charm, but it's a bit of an effort to get it to that point. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: X-Face headers
From: Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:42:21 -0500 (EST) "David L. Nicol" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russell Nelson (apparently a xfmail user) wrote: No, Russ uses VM under XEmacs. X-Face: [...] Is there any way to see these if you don't have XFmail? VM under XEmacs and Zmail (which was bundled with IRIX for a while) both handle X-Faces. I've also seen a way to view X-Faces from mutt. exmh also displays x-face headers. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
[fwd: SAUCE (paranoid anti-spam mailserver) 0.5.0 ALPHA released ]
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Re: Sqwebmail and IMAP
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 01:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Randy Harmon writes: Is the concept of subfolders stupid? IMHO: no. Given: millions of Microsoft users are wrong. But not on this point. The concept of being able to store both mail AND folders in a folder is stupid. Just as being able to store both plain files and directories in directories is stupid? I've got exmh/nmh setup such that every one of my folders contains both messages and an 'old' sub-folder which has messages more than 2 months old. I find this to be a useful way to move older stuff out of the way. Certainly I could have qmail and qmail.old instead of qmail and qmail/old, but I don't see that it's necessarily stupid to have half as many folders at the level above. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Hopefully my last question. :-) SOLVED
From: Glenn Crownover [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:13:36 -0700 I wonder why the Install tells you to replace mail then...? Depends on the version of Unix you're using. Basically, he punted and told you to always replace it even though many people won't need to. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Sqwebmail and IMAP
From: "James J. Lippard" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:22:48 -0700 (MST) I think Dan is assuming that additional mail folders won't be in the INBOX maildir (even though that was the question that was originally asked), but rather that you stick maildir mail folders in the same places you'd stick mailbox-format maildirs. I.e., not in the incoming maildir. I've got a related issue. My partner has put an item on my todo list to move all the mailboxes from the user's home directories to a sub-directory. The reason for this is that apparently many of our customers can't resist the impulse to put random files into the mail folders. These are people who are sitting on PCs or Macs and see their home directory as a folder on their desktop. Apparently when they see a subfolder with the name of one of their contacts, they forget that it's a mail box and think it's a handy place to put data that just magically appeared. One could easily argue (as I attempted to do) that there is no problem here because users know what they create, but in reality, as we get increasingly ignorant users, that assumption becomes less and less tenable. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: pine patches
From: Dave Sill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:51:59 -0400 (EDT) 2) Sendmail's performance still lags far behind current-generation MTA's. ...and will continue to as long as it runs that stupid rule based system to rewrite addresses that don't need to be rewritten. Of course, if that were removed, it would hardly be sendmail, would it? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: bad deliver
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Daniluk, Chris writes: Received: from unknown (HELO qta-ctah3-dev.querytone.com) (10.10.177.152) I also hope that you're not actually sending mail from qta-ctah3-dev.querytone.com, because that name does not have an A record. A host that sends email MUST have correct reverse DNS, and that PTR entry MUST have the same string as that presented by the HELO command. Otherwise you risk being mistaken for a spammer. Note the 10.x.x.x addresses...this is clearly all behind a firewall. Presumably, he has an internal DNS that does have A and PTR records for qta-ctah3-dev.querytone.com. (Just thought I'd stick my nose in and say something in Chris' defense since he's been on the receiving end of quite a bit.) Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: bad deliver
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Chris Garrigues writes: Note the 10.x.x.x addresses...this is clearly all behind a firewall. Presumably, he has an internal DNS that does have A and PTR records for qta-ctah3-dev.querytone.com. That doesn't help me if he contacts my smtp server, and it says "HELO hostname doesn't match the forward DNS of the reverse DNS? You're a spammer -- go away". If your SMTP server gets a packet from a 10.x.x.x address, you won't even be able to ACK it and he'll never even get a chance to say "HELO hostname". I'm on a system who's IP address is 10.2.252.1 and who's name is backstroke.deepeddy.com; when I send mail to you it goes through an IP-masq firewall and looks to you like it came from a system with a real IP address and a real hostname. It's the nature of internal-only addresses. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Qmail case sensitivity
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Gum, Greg writes: Is Qmail RFC compliant with case sensitivity using mailbox user names? The reason I ask is Qmail seems to take all user names to lower case. qmail preserves the case of usernames which transit the systems, however, when it delivers mail on the local machine, it smashes the case to all-lower when matching a username or extension. And in addition, what Russ didn't say, but which I'm sure he intended is that the RFC leaves it up to the local system to decide what to do with locally delivered mail, so qmail is not in violation. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Fw: spanning lines in .qmail
From: "Leon Vismer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:18:59 +0200 If you have to use \n just remember to use echo -e and not just echo. echo without the -e will ignore the return sequence and just print \n This varies depending on your version of unix. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Internet draft for VERP
From: Mark Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:39:15 -0700 At 05:18 PM Friday 7/30/99, Scott Schwartz wrote: I think it's strange that qmail-inject uses '-' to seperate the mailbox from the verp part, even when some other conf-break character is in effect for that user. This surely violates the principle of least surprise, and it requires some users (but not others) to manually include their break character in their return address, and to adjust their dot-qmail scripts to match. I agree with you about "least surprise" but I would be concerned that an installation is vulnerable to not detecting outstanding VERP mail because an admin changed the conf-break character. Likewise, if the bounce-to system (for want of a better term) is not the same as the sending system, is it reasonable to insist that they have the same conf-break characters before they can interoperate? One way to think about it is as defining a "network standard conf-break character" which systems are expected to convert to and from in order to interoperate. This is much like FTP URLs using '/' characters no matter what the underlying OS uses, or requiring bytes to be transmitted little-endian over the network (or is it big-endian?...whatever...it's the motorola ordering, not the intel ordering), or requiring that end-of-line be transmitted as CRLF for text files. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Internet draft for VERP
From: Mark Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:52:17 -0700 At 05:54 PM Friday 7/30/99, Chris Garrigues wrote: One way to think about it is as defining a "network standard conf-break character" which systems are expected to convert to and from in order to Yep. A standard conf-break may not be a bad idea, but it doesn't avoid the confusion that Scott raised that people will confuse or assume that the qmail conf-break is the same as the VERP conf-break. Note that exactly this problem comes up when people write programs to talk to the SMTP port and assume that \n will work as an end-of-line. I wonder if it might actuall be better to make the network standard conf-break be different than qmail's to make it clear that a conversion needs to occur. Chris P.S. Mark, I got an bounce saying that you no longer work at mira.net after my last mail. -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
filtering out spam triggered double bounces
Does anybody have a filter to throw away all these double bounces I get from blocked SPAM? I don't think it would be too hard to recognize that the double bounce is from SPAM (can't find the host and the original message is itself a bounce message), but I haven't studied enough messages to know exactly what to do. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ http://www.virCIO.Com +1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500 4314 Avenue C O- Austin, TX 78751-3709 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: cyclog, was *sigh* performance issues again. Please help!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John R. Levine)
Date: 28 Jul 1999 11:22:56 -0400
We also saw a lot of our performance problems disappear when we moved =
from syslog to cyclog
What do you do about daily or weekly log summaries? I still haven't
come up with a good way to do that with cyclog.
I threw together the attached script for getting the last 24 hours worth of
logging. It could clearly be adapted for weekly as well.
If you use and and improve it in any way, I'd like to get the improvements
back.
Chris
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
$logdir = '/var/log';
$log = pop;
sub tailocal {
open(TAILOCAL, "|tailocal") or die "Couldn't open pipe to tailocal: $!";
foreach (@_) {
print TAILOCAL;
}
close(TAILOCAL);
}
opendir(LOGDIR, $logdir) or die "Can't read $logdir: $!";
@logs = grep { !/^\./ and -d "$logdir/$_" } readdir(LOGDIR);
#@logs = readdir(LOGDIR);
closedir(LOGDIR);
foreach (@logs) {
$logs{$_} = 1;
}
(defined $log defined($logs{$log}))
or die "usage: $0 " . join('|', @logs) . "\n";
$logdir .= '/' . $log;
$adayago = time() - (24*60*60);
opendir(LOGDIR, $logdir) or die "Can't read $logdir: $!";
my @logs = sort grep /^\@\d+/, readdir(LOGDIR);
closedir(LOGDIR);
$lastlog = '';
foreach (@logs) {
($thislogtime) = /^\@0+(\d+)$/;
if ($thislogtime $adayago) {
if ($lastlog) {
push @mylogs, $lastlog;
}
}
$lastlog = $_;
}
push @mylogs, $lastlog;
$firstlog = shift(@mylogs);
open(FILE, "$logdir/$firstlog") or die "Couldn't read $logdir/$firstlog: $!";
while (FILE) {
($ts) = /^(\d+)/;
if ($ts $adayago) {
#tailocal($_, FILE);
print $_, FILE;
last;
}
}
foreach $file (@mylogs) {
open(FILE, "$logdir/$file") or die "Couldn't read $logdir/$file: $!";
@lines = FILE;
#tailocal(@lines);
print @lines;
}
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4314 Avenue C
O- Austin, TX 78751-3709
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Re: condredirect
From: "Martin Searancke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:23:18 +1000
Im wanting to redirect EMail sent to an alias based on the senders country
part of the email address. I have used the condredirect before for other
stuff and thought this would work in this case but there is not the
environment variable I want.
e.g. If someone sends an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want a different
recipient if the senders address ends in .au than if it was .nz.
There is the $HOST for the address the email was sent to, and $HOST2 etc fo
r
the different sections of the receiving address but I can only get the
complete address of the sender not the country section only.
Can anyone thin of a way around this?
I've got a script which you can probably adapt easily for these purposes.
A fine example of a script with more documentation than code.
Chris
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
# Quick hack for sorting incoming mail.
#
# By Chris Garrigues 27-Feb-98
#
# Put this in your .qmail file:
#
# |sortonsender myname-sorted
#
# and mail from various sources will be dropped in different inboxes depending
# on where the mail came from. This mail can be caught at the appropriate
# level, for example, with the following files:
#
# .qmail-sorted-default
# .qmail-sorted-edu-uic-default
# .qmail-sorted-edu-uic-math-koobera-djb-default
# .qmail-sorted-edu-uic-math-koobera-djb-qmail
# .qmail-sorted-edu-uic-math-koobera-djb-ezmlm
#
# Mail from the qmail list would by handled by the 4th file, from the ezmlm
# list into the 5th file, from Dan into the 3rd file, anyone else at UIC into
# the 2nd file, and the rest of us into the first file.
#
$prefix = $ARGV[0];
$sender = $ENV{SENDER};
$sendto = join('-', $prefix, reverse(split(/[@.]/, $sender))) . "\@$ENV{HOST}";
print STDERR "Forwarding mail from $sender to $sendto\n";
exec('forward', $sendto);
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+1 512 432 4046 +1 512 374 0500
4314 Avenue C
O- Austin, TX 78751-3709
My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an
explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html
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but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft.
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I get to be offline for a week!
Lucky me. I'm going to be away from my email for a week. I hope Scott and Adam and whoever else has been filling my mailbox with shit will be done with their ravings by the time I get back. If they aren't, I'm going to write a .qmail filter which will recognize a given annoying thread subject line and send a nastygram to anybody who sends me a message with that subject. Here's hoping that a week's cooling time is enough that I don't have to write it. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Perhaps I missed it the first time ...
Now childrencan't we just try to get along? This debate is even worse than the messages that John was complaining about the first place. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Automatic MDN denials
Having just learned how MDNs work I was wondering if anybody had written a script to automatically issue denials on any MDN request that it sees. I don't so much mind people knowing how fast my mail system can send them a denial, but I certainly have no interest in them knowing that I've actually looked at their message. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Completely off topic: supervise cron?
I've got a system on which cron keeps dying. Would it work to run cron under supervise? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Mass migration off of qmail because of lack of DSNs?
From: "Scott D. Yelich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Eric Allman's GAY? Of course we all know that using software written by gay authors might make us gay as well. Who in the hell cares? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: daemontools
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 14 May 1999 14:15:58 - See, that's the problem with your kind of people -- you just don't look *hard* enough (and while you're at it, don't look at the last-modified date on the page either). How could I have been so stupid. You'd think with all the "Star Trek:Voyager" I've been watching lately that I would have thought of going into the future to find my answers. Now, if you'd have just grabbed me microseconds before I failed to find the link and transported me into the past so I could have fixed your page myself, we could have avoided all this trouble. [ Sorry, but that had to have been one of the worst Voyager episodes I've seen yet...the only one that was worse was the one the previous week with the millennium gate. At least when DS9 wanted to save money, they did that neat episode with the SF writer in the 50's. ] Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
daemontools
Where do I dig up info on daemontools? I can't find any links on either www.qmail.org or djb's qmail page. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Editing Date: in header
From: Juan Carlos Castro y Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:27:05 -0300 I did a little script some time ago to edit the Date: field of incoming messages so the time of arrival according to the server is displayed (instead of the client's clock). I put it to work on some mailing lists I manage, and it works beautifully. The new Date: fiels looks like this: Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:56:31 -0300 (server time) My question is: does that "(server time)" string I append after the time zone break some standard? Netscape Messenger, Outlook Express and Internet Mail don't mind. Anything in parentheses is considered a comment. You're in fine shape. any program that has a problem with that is buggy. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: Fundamental flaws in List-Unsubscribe
From: "Fred Lindberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:44:48 -0500 On 11 May 1999 00:10:35 -, D. J. Bernstein wrote: Let's say a user clicks the ``unsubscribe'' button while he's looking at an old message from the SOS mailing list. What should the MUA do? RFC 2369 suggests that the MUA follow the List-Unsubscribe instructions in that message. But what happens when the instructions are out of date? You are arguing against the MUA support as suggested in rfc2369, but for the MLM support as suggested in rfc2369. I'm arguing for MLM support. I added RFC2369 support to exmh in about 40 lines of code (plus another 32 lines of comments to include the relevant portion of the RFC). This was the simple support that Dan argues against. On my todo list is to have a database of mailing lists which would include the most recent info about each list in it. However, doing that requires a bunch of other stuff that isn't there yet and I could never do it in 40 lines. I like RFC2369 because a minimal useful level of support is *easy*. Good MUAs will support more, but that's no reason to argue against the minimal level. As more MUAs support the easy level more lists will support the headers. As more lists support the headers, more MUAs will support more sophisticated handling. Right now a total of 3 lists that I get have RFC2369 headers and two of those are low-volume. If this doesn't increase, it won't matter what the MUA support is like. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
qmail-analog with cyclog
In recent times, I've been installing qmail off of the SRPM from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Previously, I built it myself. This SRPM uses a variety of packages that I haven't fully mastered yet (such as daemontools, etc). One of the changes is that I was using syslog and it uses cyclog. Every night at midnight, I have a cronjob that rotates the syslog and sends email with a qmail-analog report in it. Since cyclog may cycle it's logs at any time, it isn't clear to me how to integrate qmail-analog with cyclog. How are other people getting daily reports of qmail usage when they use cyclog? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: integrating patches into the distribution
From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 22 Apr 1999 14:05:36 - Dave Sill writes: "Racer X" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so we can all see the huge number of patches that are listed on www.qmail.org, and i'd be willing to bet that anyone who has used qmail for more than a day or so has had to use at least one of those patches. You'd lose. I've used qmail heavily for three years and I don't use any patches anywhere. I'm only using the rbl patch, and that only because I wrote it before Dan wrote rblsmtpd. I'm also not using any patches. I used Sam's anti-spam patch for a while, but it got too many false positives, so I backed it off the systems I had it on. (The client who had insisted I install it found that mail from their VC firm was being bounced!) it might be interesting if people had a way to rate the usefulness of various patches, both for general usefulness and how well the patch integrates into qmail (that is, whether it should really be a patch or a separate program). It would be interesting to know who's using which patches and why. One of Dan's main objections to patches is that they make it hard for him to tell what really needs to be changed in qmail. If one has problem X with qmail, and there's a patch that fixes problem X on www.qmail.org, most people just install the patch and never complain to Dan. The problem with that theory is that, when someone complains to Dan, he dismisses their concern as trivial and frivolous. Given the choice between being insulted, and actually getting your problem solved by installing a patch, which would you choose? Even so, it would be interesting to know who's using which patches and why. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: .qmail-
From: Andy Walden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:29:41 -0500 (CDT) server using qmail. The old one uses sendmail (big suprise). I'm also the kind of guy that keeps the bat book on top of the toliet for regular study. On *TOP* of the toilet? Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: The Pipe
-Original Message- From: Postmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 1:10 PM Subject: Nondeliverable mail --Transcript of session follows --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] The pipe has been ended. Sounds like a follow-on to the Tom Waits song "The Piano Has Been Drinking". Chris [ Sorry I didn't have anything useful to contribute, but this just tickled my funnybone somehow. ] -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: qmail displays GMT time instead of local time
From: Troy Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:46:50 -0700 (PDT) | Because it is easier to track delays via Received: headers when they | all use the same time zone. I don't mean to flame (I think this list is a little esoteric and hot-tempered as it is), but this seems like a bogus statement, considering that I haven't ever seen another MUA do this. (I'm not saying that they don't, but I don't recall seeing it.) Is this a let's be different because we can mentality, or is there a better reason than this? | The only head field with a time which is intended for the end user is | the Date: field. It should be set by the MUA, in which case qmail | won't touch it. For those MUAs which, like BSD mail, don't set the | Date: field, consult FAQ #6.1. I suppose, then, that the "Date:" field in MAILER-DAEMON generated messages is not intended for the end user? That happens to be a fine example of a mail message generated from one of "those MUAs which, like BSD mail, don't set the Date: field". As Harald said, Consult FAQ #6.1. | Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Received: (qmail 18265 invoked for bounce); 21 Apr 1999 21:33:40 - | Date: 21 Apr 1999 21:33:40 - | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: failure notice Troy -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
Re: qmail displays GMT time instead of local time
From: "Sam" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:12:08 GMT Netscape Communicator correctly adjusts the Date: header to the local timezone. I'm pretty sure MS Outlook Express does that too. Correcting for a local timezone is a no-brainer for any MUA, especially in UNIX. My mua (exmh) displays dates as they appear in the mail with the local date in parenthesis following it. That way I know both when they sent it in their timezone and also when they sent it in my timezone. Both can be useful at different times. here's an example: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:11:15 +0200 (Wed 17:11 CDT) So, I know that message was sent just after midnight where it originated, but just after 5PM where I am. Now I know not only how long ago the message was sent, but also that the author is probably going to bed pretty soon, so I shouldn't anticipate quite responses. Chris -- Chris Garrigues virCIO +1 512 432 4046 4314 Avenue CO- http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ Austin, TX 78751-3709 +1 512 374 0500 My email address is an experiment in SPAM elimination. For an explanation of what we're doing, see http://www.DeepEddy.Com/tms.html Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft, but they could get fired for relying on Microsoft. PGP signature
