[RBW] Re: Frame Pumps for a 64 Hillborne

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Any thoughts on whether the HPX-4 would work equally well on a 60cm Sam 
Hillborne? Effective top tube is 3cm shorter than the 64's, which I think means 
the actual top tube is slightly more than 3cm shorter.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Grant's Book Tour Adventures!

[kevin lindsey]

Has anyone seen his tour schedule?  Specifically, is he planning to
sign books here in the Washington, D.C. area?
Kevin

On May 9, 1:38 am, Eric  wrote:
> Is he coming to Chicago!?
>
> On May 8, 9:00 am, Zack  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Manny - I truly agree with you about the book.  I would go so far as to say
> > it has made an immediate impact on the fun that i have while riding (and i
> > have been a reader of riv readers and blugs for quite some time).  The
> > heavy rider big hill tip alone has been worth the price of admission for
> > me.
>
> > On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:05:38 AM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> > > It was funny because I was just thinking about how his book touring was
> > > going and pop there goes a new blug. Looks like he's having a grand old
> > > time. His new book is good btw. Things that you get after years of
> > > experience from riding a bike all in one book. Lots of interesting things.
> > > If your an avid cycling or even a new to cycling this book would be good 
> > > to
> > > read. Chapters are set up in a way where if you don't want to read certain
> > > sections you don't have to. Skip em and read them later. Being a fairly 
> > > new
> > > cyclist I'm just finally branching out to different subgroups of cycling.
> > > I'm coming to realizations about cycling that were already written in the
> > > book. Not only is the book a good reconfirmation on things that I do
> > > while biking that I always felt uncomfortable about but it's helping me
> > > getting over certain aspects of my riding now that will save me some grief
> > > in the long run. Makes me feel better about Just Riding. (<--This was
> > > intentional) Also the drawings in the book a swanky. Anyone know the
> > > artist?

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[RBW] Tandem Transport?

[GeorgeS]

I have a nice tandem I want to take to Vt this summer.  I have a
medium size SUV (Honda Pilot) but with all my other stuff, there's not
enough room in the car for the bike.  I don't want to put it on the
rear rack because that's got all the regular bikes which leaves the
roof.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a roof rack for a tandem?
GeorgeS
New Orleans, La.

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Re: [RBW] Tandem Transport?

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:52 AM, GeorgeS  wrote:
> I have a nice tandem I want to take to Vt this summer.  I have a
> medium size SUV (Honda Pilot) but with all my other stuff, there's not
> enough room in the car for the bike.  I don't want to put it on the
> rear rack because that's got all the regular bikes which leaves the
> roof.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a roof rack for a tandem?


Kinda off-topic (sadly riv doesn't make a tandem :()

 but thule and yakima make a tandem-specific roof rack component.

we have one - it is giant - and somewhat expensive but it works well.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Tandem Transport?

[cyclotourist]

I use the Thule tandem attachment. It works fine, although a bit pricey.
They pop up used on CL occasionally

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:52 AM, GeorgeS  wrote:

> I have a nice tandem I want to take to Vt this summer.  I have a
> medium size SUV (Honda Pilot) but with all my other stuff, there's not
> enough room in the car for the bike.  I don't want to put it on the
> rear rack because that's got all the regular bikes which leaves the
> roof.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a roof rack for a tandem?
> GeorgeS
> New Orleans, La.
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Re: [RBW] Tandem Transport?

[cyclotourist]

Jinx.

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:52 AM, GeorgeS  wrote:
> > I have a nice tandem I want to take to Vt this summer.  I have a
> > medium size SUV (Honda Pilot) but with all my other stuff, there's not
> > enough room in the car for the bike.  I don't want to put it on the
> > rear rack because that's got all the regular bikes which leaves the
> > roof.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a roof rack for a tandem?
>
>
> Kinda off-topic (sadly riv doesn't make a tandem :()
>
>  but thule and yakima make a tandem-specific roof rack component.
>
> we have one - it is giant - and somewhat expensive but it works well.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: Grant's Book Tour Adventures!

[Zack]

tour schedule (from riv site):

*Sun April 29 *

*NYC, The New Amsterdam Bike Show .* There’s a 
room for speakers, and BSNYC will talk about his book, The Enlightened 
Cyclist, too. I hope not at the same time, because he’s the Sandy 
Koufax of 
this stuff.

I’ll remain in NYC a few days, and then I’m off to Alabama.

*Sun May 6*

*Page & Palette  (bookstore) *32 S. Section 
Street  Fairhope, AL 36532

6:00 – 7:00 PM: Talk, Q&A, Book Signing, Ride.  I’m bringing a folding 
bike, if I can figure out how to get it into the case, and that has not 
been made clear yet.

*THURS MAY 10:*

*Idaho, BOISE*

*Boise Bicycle Projec*t 1027 Lusk St.   Boise, ID 83706

7:00 – 8:00 PM: Talk, Q&A, Book signing, Ride. I like riding in Idaho. I’ll 
practice my “Idaho Stop ” here in California, 
just so I’m up to speed when I’m there.

*Friday May 11 *

*SEATTLE, WA.
*

*FreeRange  Cycles*  3501 Phinney Ave S 
Seattle 98103

(206) 547-8407  

TALK, SIGNING, ONE-HOUR RIDE

*Saturday May 12*

*PORTLAND, ORE*

*Powell’s  (bookstore)* 1005 W Burnside  
2:00 – 3:00 PM: Talk, Q&A, Book SigningPortland, OR 97209   
Website: http://www.powells.com/

*2:00 PM BOOKTALK, SIGNING.   3PM RIDE*

On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:05:38 AM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> It was funny because I was just thinking about how his book touring was 
> going and pop there goes a new blug. Looks like he's having a grand old 
> time. His new book is good btw. Things that you get after years of 
> experience from riding a bike all in one book. Lots of interesting things. 
> If your an avid cycling or even a new to cycling this book would be good to 
> read. Chapters are set up in a way where if you don't want to read certain 
> sections you don't have to. Skip em and read them later. Being a fairly new 
> cyclist I'm just finally branching out to different subgroups of cycling. 
> I'm coming to realizations about cycling that were already written in the 
> book. Not only is the book a good reconfirmation on things that I do 
> while biking that I always felt uncomfortable about but it's helping me 
> getting over certain aspects of my riding now that will save me some grief 
> in the long run. Makes me feel better about Just Riding. (<--This was 
> intentional) Also the drawings in the book a swanky. Anyone know the 
> artist?  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[Mike]

Brian, definitely looking forward to pictures of your build. It looks
like it's gonna be a winner.

--mike

On May 8, 11:18 pm, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> Rob - great story, and I can relate!  I received my 54cm Hunqapillar
> today.  It's gorgeous!  The packing job was impeccable, and I got some
> doodle art on the box, as well.
>
> I am in between sizes, so I originally rode a 54 and 58 while visiting Riv
> HQ last summer.  Since I will be primarily using this for camping/off-road
> as a foil for my AHH, I decided on the smaller frame size.  I really liked
> the 54 with a moustache setup, so when I heard they were nearly out of the
> original color, I had to pick one up.  Brian Tester helped out (he has a
> 54cm Hunq too).  I started the build today, but am waiting on a few parts.
> Here's the pics so far:
>
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzeCUFj

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[RBW] What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Kayakguy]

I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these
double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found
nothing.

Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and
single tubes.

Thanks for filling me in.

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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[newenglandbike]

The double top-tube thing has been available on Rivendells for a long time 
I think, going way back to larger-sized customs, but first appearing on 
standard models with the AHH in larger sizes (67cm and up) if I'm not 
mistaken. Then around 2009 the Bombadil came standard with it, to 
're-triangulate' the frame due to the expanded geometry and tall head 
tube.  



On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:35:33 AM UTC-4, Kayakguy wrote:
>
> I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these 
> double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found 
> nothing. 
>
> Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and 
> single tubes. 
>
> Thanks for filling me in.

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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Kayakguy]

I knew about the Bombadil having a double, but I gues you are saying
all the "medium sizes like 58 or 60 would still be single? I hope
cause I don't much dig the double look.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Peter Morgano]

Uhh, not to be a jerk but when was the last time you were on the site? I
believe this has been the norm for at least the 4 years I have been poking
around.  You could call RBW and see if they have your size in a singe TT,
the old attic is full of surprises.

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kayakguy  wrote:

> I knew about the Bombadil having a double, but I gues you are saying
> all the "medium sizes like 58 or 60 would still be single? I hope
> cause I don't much dig the double look.
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Re: [RBW] wtt: 58cm Rivendell Rambouillet ~ orange for blue

[Me]

Hi Eric,

I have a 58 blue Rambouillet and am definitely interested.  I am second owner 
and bought it from a list member last year but have hardly ridden it. He bought 
it new from Harris Cyclery.  It has one flaw, a small double ding in the top 
tube, and came that way to the original owner.  Neither he nor I found it 
noticeable.  I will be home Friday and can send pics then if you are interested.
Tim





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On May 8, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Eric  wrote:

> I have a minty 58cm orange Rivendell Rambouillet (frame/fork/headset)
> and I'm looking to find someone with a a 58cm Rambo in blue who'd like
> to trade.
> 
> Let's talk!
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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Kayakguy]

Well I guess it has been awhile since I have been there. I have been
enjoying riding my Rambouillet too much to feel the need to shop.
Probably should have spent less time riding and more time surfing.

 Now I kind of want an Atlantis, or maybe a Hilborn or I don't know. A
light tourer I guess for commuting and dreaming about longer rides.
That way I can strip the rack off the Rambouillet and keep her slim.

On May 9, 11:06 am, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> Uhh, not to be a jerk but when was the last time you were on the site? I
> believe this has been the norm for at least the 4 years I have been poking
> around.  You could call RBW and see if they have your size in a singe TT,
> the old attic is full of surprises.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kayakguy  wrote:
> > I knew about the Bombadil having a double, but I gues you are saying
> > all the "medium sizes like 58 or 60 would still be single? I hope
> > cause I don't much dig the double look.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Kayakguy  wrote:
> Well I guess it has been awhile since I have been there. I have been
> enjoying riding my Rambouillet too much to feel the need to shop.
> Probably should have spent less time riding and more time surfing.
>
>  Now I kind of want an Atlantis, or maybe a Hilborn or I don't know. A
> light tourer I guess for commuting and dreaming about longer rides.
> That way I can strip the rack off the Rambouillet and keep her slim.
>

- Hilsens have optional double top tubes
- Atlantises  don't have them at all
- Hillbornes in the larger sizes have them

If you don't like them you can get frames without them

If you do like them you're all set, too.

Riv gives you great options.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[robert zeidler]

Even rarer is the "diaga-tube"  These will be collectors items one day.

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Kayakguy  wrote:
>> Well I guess it has been awhile since I have been there. I have been
>> enjoying riding my Rambouillet too much to feel the need to shop.
>> Probably should have spent less time riding and more time surfing.
>>
>>  Now I kind of want an Atlantis, or maybe a Hilborn or I don't know. A
>> light tourer I guess for commuting and dreaming about longer rides.
>> That way I can strip the rack off the Rambouillet and keep her slim.
>>
>
> - Hilsens have optional double top tubes
> - Atlantises  don't have them at all
> - Hillbornes in the larger sizes have them
>
> If you don't like them you can get frames without them
>
> If you do like them you're all set, too.
>
> Riv gives you great options.
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Peter Morgano]

Well I know there is no double TT on the Atlantis because it only goes so
big, after that you are in Bomba/Hunqa country. The Sam's get double TT at
what I would describe as a medium size, the 56 but the Hilsen doesnst go
double TT until the huge sizes so depending on your size you might be stuck
looking at the higher end stuff or hell go Yves Gomez and no TT!

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Kayakguy  wrote:

> Well I guess it has been awhile since I have been there. I have been
> enjoying riding my Rambouillet too much to feel the need to shop.
> Probably should have spent less time riding and more time surfing.
>
>  Now I kind of want an Atlantis, or maybe a Hilborn or I don't know. A
> light tourer I guess for commuting and dreaming about longer rides.
> That way I can strip the rack off the Rambouillet and keep her slim.
>
> On May 9, 11:06 am, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> > Uhh, not to be a jerk but when was the last time you were on the site? I
> > believe this has been the norm for at least the 4 years I have been
> poking
> > around.  You could call RBW and see if they have your size in a singe TT,
> > the old attic is full of surprises.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kayakguy  wrote:
> > > I knew about the Bombadil having a double, but I gues you are saying
> > > all the "medium sizes like 58 or 60 would still be single? I hope
> > > cause I don't much dig the double look.
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Re: [RBW] What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[robert zeidler]

I think that trying to apply logic to it is an exercise in futility.

And I like that.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Well I know there is no double TT on the Atlantis because it only goes so
> big, after that you are in Bomba/Hunqa country. The Sam's get double TT at
> what I would describe as a medium size, the 56 but the Hilsen doesnst go
> double TT until the huge sizes so depending on your size you might be stuck
> looking at the higher end stuff or hell go Yves Gomez and no TT!
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Kayakguy 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Well I guess it has been awhile since I have been there. I have been
>> enjoying riding my Rambouillet too much to feel the need to shop.
>> Probably should have spent less time riding and more time surfing.
>>
>>  Now I kind of want an Atlantis, or maybe a Hilborn or I don't know. A
>> light tourer I guess for commuting and dreaming about longer rides.
>> That way I can strip the rack off the Rambouillet and keep her slim.
>>
>> On May 9, 11:06 am, Peter Morgano > 'cvml', 'uscpeter11...@gmail.com');>>
>> wrote:
>> > Uhh, not to be a jerk but when was the last time you were on the site? I
>> > believe this has been the norm for at least the 4 years I have been
>> poking
>> > around.  You could call RBW and see if they have your size in a singe
>> TT,
>> > the old attic is full of surprises.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kayakguy 
>> > >
>> wrote:
>> > > I knew about the Bombadil having a double, but I gues you are saying
>> > > all the "medium sizes like 58 or 60 would still be single? I hope
>> > > cause I don't much dig the double look.
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Re: [RBW] What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Z-Man: the line about logic/futility gave me a good chuckle. As a bicycle 
professional, who frequently tries new bikes, new component setups, new 
accessories, etc, I often have people ask me "why did you do it THAT way?" as 
if they expect a sophisticated response that will be logically infallible and 
revolutionary to all cycling wisdom hereafter. "I just kinda like it", or "I 
like to try new things", are disappointing responses to those who prefer rigid 
categories of everything.

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Re: [RBW] Ordered a Hunq today....

[Allan in Portland]

Congratulations to you too, Brian. I sooo wanted to get in on one of those. 
You are the envy of my domain.

I can't help but wonder if those will go down as the last gratuitously 
extravagant frame before the Fed & Congress beggared (ahem, buggared) us 
all.

-Allan

On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:18:18 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> Rob - great story, and I can relate!  I received my 54cm Hunqapillar 
> today.  It's gorgeous!  The packing job was impeccable, and I got some 
> doodle art on the box, as well.  
>
> I am in between sizes, so I originally rode a 54 and 58 while visiting Riv 
> HQ last summer.  Since I will be primarily using this for camping/off-road 
> as a foil for my AHH, I decided on the smaller frame size.  I really liked 
> the 54 with a moustache setup, so when I heard they were nearly out of the 
> original color, I had to pick one up.  Brian Tester helped out (he has a 
> 54cm Hunq too).  I started the build today, but am waiting on a few parts.  
> Here's the pics so far:
>
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzeCUFj 
>
> BTW - I put a Haulin' Colin rack (http://www.haulincolin.com/porteur.html) 
> that was originally designed for the newish Rawland rSogn on it.  It fits 
> just right, and makes a really solid mount the front.  He is doing another 
> batch soon, and was wondering if he should market this rack to Rivendell 
> owners.  I would say yes at this point - no modification is necessary on 
> the Hunqapillar, and if the hourglass mounts are in the same place on the 
> other Riv canti models, it should be a go for them, as well.
>
> Brian 
> Seattle, WA
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Badge Poster - Now in High Res

[Imladris]

Mine just arrived!  They are fantastic and will look great in my
office.  Thanks, Marty!  (Of course, we'll need an update for the new
"nameless" bike with the Bosco bars that's next in the RBW queue).

On Apr 28, 11:29 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Posters for all buyers were all shipped late Thursday via. USPS Priority
> mail.
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: Tandem Transport?

[Smitty]

I used an Atoc tandem roof rack  with 
the side brace to cart my Surly Big Dummy on the roof of my car. It worked 
well. Even if you go with the Thule rack (which is the Atoc rack with a 
different sticker)  I'd recommend tracking down an Atoc "side brace" to 
stabilize the bike... especially if you plan to drive on  dirt roads. 

--Andy
 

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 6:52:51 AM UTC-7, GeorgeS wrote:
>
> I have a nice tandem I want to take to Vt this summer.  I have a 
> medium size SUV (Honda Pilot) but with all my other stuff, there's not 
> enough room in the car for the bike.  I don't want to put it on the 
> rear rack because that's got all the regular bikes which leaves the 
> roof.  Does anyone have a recommendation for a roof rack for a tandem? 
> GeorgeS 
> New Orleans, La.

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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Smitty]

Warning: Do not click this 
link...hideous
 double top tube inside.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:35:33 AM UTC-7, Kayakguy wrote:
>
> I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these 
> double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found 
> nothing. 
>
> Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and 
> single tubes. 
>
> Thanks for filling me in.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[Allan in Portland]

On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike 
> about 25+ years ago. I was riding a "too big" Schwinn road bike  and got 
> talked into buying a new bike that was the "right size." I wish I'd kept 
> the Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As 


At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to 
comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4 _inches_ 
too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about getting 
a new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 "Honky Tonk". 
He is about 6', maybe even 6'1". WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm 
riding a 59.

Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they 
sure make it hard don't they.

-Allan

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Re: [RBW] What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[robert zeidler]

It's my fondest hope that, if asked, GP will say, "...because I felt like
it".

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:

> Z-Man: the line about logic/futility gave me a good chuckle. As a bicycle
> professional, who frequently tries new bikes, new component setups, new
> accessories, etc, I often have people ask me "why did you do it THAT way?"
> as if they expect a sophisticated response that will be logically
> infallible and revolutionary to all cycling wisdom hereafter. "I just kinda
> like it", or "I like to try new things", are disappointing responses to
> those who prefer rigid categories of everything.
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Re: [RBW] What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[BSWP]

A great thing about a 2TT bike is how easily one can mount two pumps. Or, 
fit a trapezoidal bag in the space between the 2TT, for carrying cucumbers 
and salami.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] 'Nother question; chain suck

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've been scoring up the outside front end of my right chainstay on
the Fargo when shifts from the 36 to the 46 end with the big ring
dragging the bottom run of chain up between the stay and the inside of
the ring. The chain is only about 50% worn per my Park chain checker
and it is reasonably clean and lubed -- "reasonably" meaning that I
don't clean it after every ride in the dirt (dust and sand) but do so
after every few such rides. One of the cheaper SRAM chains, original
46/36/24 rings on the Sugino XD2; bastard home-made cassette if it
matters, which it probably does not. 8-sp XT rd, LX fd. 7 cogs
positioned in the 1-7 spots with two spacers at the back end.

I know I can install a bolt-on device to prevent this, but I want to
find the problem and fix it, not install a work around. I've ridden
doubles and triples on the same dirt for years without this happening.

So, what gives? Is it a chain issue? Time to buy some of those higher
quality KMCs? (Again, the current chain on the Fargo is a low level
SRAM.)

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Smitty]

My last comment was kind of snarky, so in an effort to redeem myself... 
here's an actual sincere response... 

I went with 2TT on a whim. I was placing my order on the phone and Grant 
said something like "You can get 2tt on a 65 if you want." And I said 
something like "uuu... sure but only if I get a 2nd head badge 
too." He said sure and I think I heard him smile over the phone. 

2 things I've found about the under tube that I really like... it provides 
a place to rest the palm of my hand when I shift (DT shifters). And it 
gives a solid place to lift/shoulder the bike even with a pump under the 
upper top tube. 

This is sort of anecdotal and its just an "n" of 1 so it might just be 
wishful thinking on my part... I've heard hilsen owners talk about their 
bikes being flexy when carrying a load. I've had weekend size loads on my 
2tt and it was solid. Mine got noticeably squirely when I had 60 pounds on 
the rear rack and 20 or so on the front but that was more me loading it up 
just to see what happened. Unloaded, I notice no stiffness difference 
between my 2tt and a friend's 1tt of the same size. But I buy into the idea 
that it adds stiffness when the bike is loaded.   

--Andy

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:35:33 AM UTC-7, Kayakguy wrote:
>
> I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these 
> double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found 
> nothing. 
>
> Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and 
> single tubes. 
>
> Thanks for filling me in.

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Re: [RBW] What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[robert zeidler]

I already hold the patent on those functions. So if you mention them again,
I'll have your legs broken.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012, Smitty <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My last comment was kind of snarky, so in an effort to redeem myself...
> here's an actual sincere response...
>
> I went with 2TT on a whim. I was placing my order on the phone and Grant
> said something like "You can get 2tt on a 65 if you want." And I said
> something like "uuu... sure but only if I get a 2nd head badge
> too." He said sure and I think I heard him smile over the phone.
>
> 2 things I've found about the under tube that I really like... it provides
> a place to rest the palm of my hand when I shift (DT shifters). And it
> gives a solid place to lift/shoulder the bike even with a pump under the
> upper top tube.
>
> This is sort of anecdotal and its just an "n" of 1 so it might just be
> wishful thinking on my part... I've heard hilsen owners talk about their
> bikes being flexy when carrying a load. I've had weekend size loads on my
> 2tt and it was solid. Mine got noticeably squirely when I had 60 pounds on
> the rear rack and 20 or so on the front but that was more me loading it up
> just to see what happened. Unloaded, I notice no stiffness difference
> between my 2tt and a friend's 1tt of the same size. But I buy into the idea
> that it adds stiffness when the bike is loaded.
>
> --Andy
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:35:33 AM UTC-7, Kayakguy wrote:
>>
>> I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these
>> double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found
>> nothing.
>>
>> Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and
>> single tubes.
>>
>> Thanks for filling me in.
>
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Re: [RBW] Tandem Transport?

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:00:27 AM UTC-4, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> Kinda off-topic (sadly riv doesn't make a tandem :() 
>

 
Doesn't make one YET!   Grant will, eventually, methinks...   


Just bummed my other half kinda gave up on riding... I'm enthralled w/ the 
idea of a Riv tandem, but, would be kinda under-utilized for me.. :(

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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Kayakguy]

Well I did talk to Rivendell and the response was it is definately for
function in that Grant felt the bikes need to be a bit stiffer.

I don't know, it's growing on me. Being a vegetarian I am not sure I
could carry a salami there, but maybe I could get by with a cucumber
or Zuchinni!

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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Leslie]

A fly rod. Every time I see a 2TT bike, I want to slip a fly rod in its 
tube in there.  

(Catch-n-release, since you're a vegetarian.)   (Well, I catch-n-release 
too, and am not.)




On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:59:37 PM UTC-4, Kayakguy wrote:
>
> Well I did talk to Rivendell and the response was it is definately for 
> function in that Grant felt the bikes need to be a bit stiffer. 
>
> I don't know, it's growing on me. Being a vegetarian I am not sure I 
> could carry a salami there, but maybe I could get by with a cucumber 
> or Zuchinni! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[PATRICK MOORE]

I earned the ire and exasperation of a shop employee when said
employee was trying to persuade a young man at least 6'4" tall that he
needed a -- wait for it! -- 56 cm. I snorted and growled and
spluttered and finally broke out in tones of dismay and disgust that,
hell, even I at at short-legg'd 5'10" had a very comfortable 60 cm
bike. I think the customer walked.

(Psst! Don't tell anyone, but my first custom Riv Road was a 54 c-c! I
told Grant I wanted to try to get it on the Riv gallery and he said,
"Don't you dare!")

Patrick "comfortable on 60s as long as the tts are short" Moore, who
loves his Fargo because it has a road-bike-like 57 cm effective tt.

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Allan in Portland
 wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
>>
>> And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike
>> about 25+ years ago. I was riding a "too big" Schwinn road bike  and got
>> talked into buying a new bike that was the "right size." I wish I'd kept the
>> Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As
>
>
> At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to
> comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4 _inches_
> too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about getting a
> new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 "Honky Tonk". He
> is about 6', maybe even 6'1". WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm
> riding a 59.
>
> Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they
> sure make it hard don't they.
>
> -Allan
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[RBW] Re: Finally hit the sweet spot with my Sam

[Scot Brooks]

Let me know how you like them, Minh. I have maybe 60 miles on mine so far and 
I'm really loving them. Possible Jack Brown competitor but I couldn't say 
myself. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[Brian Hanson]

I ride a 59 AHH and am about 5'11".  I've had a number of close bike-crazy
friends who think I'm nuts and on a frame that is too big.  Everyone has an
opinion.  I find it comfy, and would guess that I could easily go with a
61cm on a relatively flat top tube bike.  Getting the handlebars high
without having to use a really long stem height is more important to me
that worrying about how close the top tube is to my "junk".  I'm of the
opinion that wanting to keep a low top tube is something the industry
legals did to minimize the new biker injury claims rather than educating
folks on how to ride a properly sized bike without hurting yourself.  The
problem is that your injury on a "too small" bike just takes longer to
manifest, but will definitely happen, whereas a bump on the junk only takes
one time to get folks in the mindset on how to avoid it in the future.

Brian
Seattle, WA

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Allan in Portland wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
>>
>> And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike
>> about 25+ years ago. I was riding a "too big" Schwinn road bike  and got
>> talked into buying a new bike that was the "right size." I wish I'd kept
>> the Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As
>
>
> At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to
> comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4 _inches_
> too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about getting
> a new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 "Honky Tonk".
> He is about 6', maybe even 6'1". WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm
> riding a 59.
>
> Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they
> sure make it hard don't they.
>
> -Allan
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Re: [RBW] Ordered a Hunq today....

[robert zeidler]

How about the article in the latest BQ where the 6'4" guy is on the 59cm
bike riding 171 mm cranks!

No way Jose!

RGZ

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> I earned the ire and exasperation of a shop employee when said
> employee was trying to persuade a young man at least 6'4" tall that he
> needed a -- wait for it! -- 56 cm. I snorted and growled and
> spluttered and finally broke out in tones of dismay and disgust that,
> hell, even I at at short-legg'd 5'10" had a very comfortable 60 cm
> bike. I think the customer walked.
>
> (Psst! Don't tell anyone, but my first custom Riv Road was a 54 c-c! I
> told Grant I wanted to try to get it on the Riv gallery and he said,
> "Don't you dare!")
>
> Patrick "comfortable on 60s as long as the tts are short" Moore, who
> loves his Fargo because it has a road-bike-like 57 cm effective tt.
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Allan in Portland
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
> >>
> >> And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike
> >> about 25+ years ago. I was riding a "too big" Schwinn road bike  and got
> >> talked into buying a new bike that was the "right size." I wish I'd
> kept the
> >> Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As
> >
> >
> > At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to
> > comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4
> _inches_
> > too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about
> getting a
> > new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 "Honky Tonk".
> He
> > is about 6', maybe even 6'1". WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm
> > riding a 59.
> >
> > Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they
> > sure make it hard don't they.
> >
> > -Allan
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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[Zack]

Riding a frame that fits (and figuring out what that actually means) is a 
total revelation.

I am 6'3" with a 94 PBH.  When I first got into riding, it was on a 56cm 
Trek 520 that someone gave me. Needless to say, my 64cm Sam is much easier 
on my neck, back, shoulders, and even my legs/knees.  

Congrats on the Hunq.  

I rode both the 62 Hunq and the 64 Sam myself, and loved both.  I went with 
the Sam as I figured I would mostly be riding around town and haven't done 
much off-road exploring on the bike in VT.  Both felt better than any bike 
I had ever ridden.


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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Kelly]

Stop it Smitty .. every time I see that gorgeous AHH with the 2TT I think 
of buying one.. I don't need it.. and I don't have a 68 cm Atlantis yet.. 
damn that was pretty.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:37:11 AM UTC-5, Smitty wrote:
>
> Warning: Do not click this 
> link...hideous
>  double top tube inside.
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:35:33 AM UTC-7, Kayakguy wrote:
>>
>> I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these 
>> double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found 
>> nothing. 
>>
>> Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and 
>> single tubes. 
>>
>> Thanks for filling me in.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[William]

Why'd Grant do it?

A.  He felt like it
B.  It's functional
C.  He felt like it was functional

I'm sticking with C.  

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:11:46 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>
> Stop it Smitty .. every time I see that gorgeous AHH with the 2TT I think 
> of buying one.. I don't need it.. and I don't have a 68 cm Atlantis yet.. 
> damn that was pretty.
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:37:11 AM UTC-5, Smitty wrote:
>>
>> Warning: Do not click this 
>> link...hideous
>>  double top tube inside.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:35:33 AM UTC-7, Kayakguy wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these 
>>> double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found 
>>> nothing. 
>>>
>>> Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and 
>>> single tubes. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for filling me in.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Finally hit the sweet spot with my Sam

[RoadieRyan]

Ryan

All those dudes on Madones will be shaking their heads sadly as you
pass them on your nifty Mecier on the way to Longview on day 2 of
STP ;-)

On May 7, 11:26 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> You want nerdy?  Here's my STP bike (I 
> think):http://www.flickr.com/photos/30684316@N08/6828676862/in/photostream/
>
> Ryan
>
> On May 7, 4:04 pm, Scot Brooks  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pardon the instagram quality; cameras are at the 
> > office.
>
> > I was messing around with a dry-run setup for the Seattle to Portland ride
> > and I think I've hit my own personal Sam Hillborne nirvana. Of course, this
> > only applies to the 6 day per week Seattle city stuff, but the camping
> > stuff can go on without much fuss. It goes like this:
>
> > 700x35 Schwalbe Marathon Racer HS366 (hardly any mention of these anywhere,
> > but they're exceptionally good AND on sale from Schwalbe for $19.99 each at
> > the moment). I have the 700x38 Greenguard, but I prefer these. They just
> > feel right.
>
> > 11-30 cassette, 8 speed. I love the 12-36 Riv standard, but it's now on the
> > "camping" rear wheel (Rhyno Lite 27mm, super gnarly)
>
> > SKS Longboards will be back on soon, but I'm just treating myself this week
> > while the weather's nice.
>
> > Salsa Delgado Cross 36h wheels from Jim Thill. Absolutely fantastic skill
> > from Jim of course. The dynohub front wheel gets to hang out in the closet
> > till next winter.
>
> > VO Model 6 saddle. Love it now that it's started to break in.
>
> > Medium shopsack and saddlesack xs is the best combo I've found as an every
> > day set up. The saddlesack large (and big rack) is just too much to mess
> > with as an every day thing. This is better for me. Looks good too.
>
> > Finally, my Sugino crank started life as a triple, transformed into a 36/24
> > double with a guard, and has now transformed into a 40/24 double with a
> > guard. Now I love it.
>
> > If you've made it this far, thanks for reading my rambles. There's really
> > only one group of people I can share this without feeling nerdy (and who
> > will actually know what I'm going on about).

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[RBW] couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[Addison Wilhite]

Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I
don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...

But when I read this description on the website:

Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame
design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube
slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it.
As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where
it's comfortable.

If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the 60.
Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most 6-4ers
ride the 64.

**

It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of
things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the
"production" models.

45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(

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Re: [RBW] couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[Peter Morgano]

Soo how tall are you?  I just take those to be rough figures,  not a manual
per se.
On May 9, 2012 3:29 PM, "Addison Wilhite"  wrote:

> Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I
> don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...
>
> But when I read this description on the website:
>
>  Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame
> design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube
> slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it.
> As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where
> it's comfortable.
>
> If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the
> 60. Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most
> 6-4ers ride the 64.
>
> **
>
> It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of
> things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the
> "production" models.
>
> 45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(
>
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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[Scot Brooks]

With the racing and want-to-look-racy world of bike fitment, it seems like they 
had a weird line of thinking that went a little like this: better get the stem 
way down, that's racy. Bike doesn't fit now that the stem is like that? Better 
get a smaller frame to bring the bars closer, don't even think about raising 
that stem, mister. Sort of a cart following the horse moment. Really weird. 

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Re: [RBW] couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[Addison Wilhite]

5'6"...sorry, I didn't mention that.  Pretty evenly proportioned (not a
long torso with monkey arms).  :)

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Soo how tall are you?  I just take those to be rough figures,  not a
> manual per se.
> On May 9, 2012 3:29 PM, "Addison Wilhite" 
> wrote:
>
>> Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I
>> don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...
>>
>> But when I read this description on the website:
>>
>>  Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame
>> design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube
>> slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it.
>> As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where
>> it's comfortable.
>>
>> If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the
>> 60. Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most
>> 6-4ers ride the 64.
>>
>> **
>>
>> It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of
>> things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the
>> "production" models.
>>
>> 45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(
>>
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[RBW] Re: couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

The four cm jump is at least consistent, I wouldn't take it personally :-)

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:29:27 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>
> Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I 
> don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...
>
> But when I read this description on the website:
>
>  Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame 
> design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube 
> slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it. 
> As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where 
> it's comfortable. 
>
> If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the 
> 60. Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most 
> 6-4ers ride the 64. 
>
> **
>
> It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of 
> things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the 
> "production" models.
>
> 45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(
>
> -- 
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> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com
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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[Kayakguy]

Haha...That's probably it to a T!

On May 9, 3:18 pm, William  wrote:
> Why'd Grant do it?
>
> A.  He felt like it
> B.  It's functional
> C.  He felt like it was functional
>
> I'm sticking with C.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:11:46 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>
> > Stop it Smitty .. every time I see that gorgeous AHH with the 2TT I think
> > of buying one.. I don't need it.. and I don't have a 68 cm Atlantis yet..
> > damn that was pretty.
>
> > On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:37:11 AM UTC-5, Smitty wrote:
>
> >> Warning: Do not click this 
> >> link...hideous
> >>  double top tube inside.
>
> >> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:35:33 AM UTC-7, Kayakguy wrote:
>
> >>> I haven't been to the Rivendell site for awhile and I see all these
> >>> double tubes. I looked for a post on here or on the site but found
> >>> nothing.
>
> >>> Is this standard now? I see pictures of the same model with double and
> >>> single tubes.
>
> >>> Thanks for filling me in.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[Peter Morgano]

Well that is on the Sam, the "budget" bike for tweeners like you and I at a
short legged 5 10 you have to go whole hog and get the AHH or go "Big Riv"
and get the 52 and a short riser stem like the periscopa or dirt drop.

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:49 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The four cm jump is at least consistent, I wouldn't take it personally :-)
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:29:27 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>>
>> Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I
>> don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...
>>
>> But when I read this description on the website:
>>
>>  Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame
>> design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube
>> slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it.
>> As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where
>> it's comfortable.
>>
>> If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the
>> 60. Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most
>> 6-4ers ride the 64.
>>
>> **
>>
>> It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of
>> things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the
>> "production" models.
>>
>> 45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(
>>
>> --
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>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.**com 
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Re: [RBW] Re: couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[Addison Wilhite]

I totally was taking it personally when reading the Sam H description!  :)

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The four cm jump is at least consistent, I wouldn't take it personally :-)
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:29:27 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>>
>> Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I
>> don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...
>>
>> But when I read this description on the website:
>>
>>  Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame
>> design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube
>> slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it.
>> As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where
>> it's comfortable.
>>
>> If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the
>> 60. Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most
>> 6-4ers ride the 64.
>>
>> **
>>
>> It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of
>> things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the
>> "production" models.
>>
>> 45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(
>>
>> --
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>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.**com 
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[RBW] Saddlebags for carrying a laptop?

[TSW]

Sorry if this is a repeat.  I'm looking for a way to carry a 13" laptop 
(Macbook Pro 13" to be exact) in something like a Sackville Medium 
saddlebag.  I'd like to protect it as well as possible, and am considering 
a hardshell case, such as a Pelican case (1085CC or equivalent).  Anyone 
have any experience in securely shlepping a laptop in a saddlebag? 
 According to the dimensions, the Sackville Medium is nominally narrower 
than the outside dimensions of the Pelican 1085.  But I figure there's some 
give, no?

And, my commute will be multi-modal: I'll want to be able to pull it out 
easily for the motorized leg of my trip.

I'd like to hear any other solutions and experience.

TIA,
TSW
Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I think Rivendell's past discrimination against 5'6" individuals is well 
documented by this point :-)

It's along the lines of the No-Homers fraternal organization.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 1:09:00 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>
> I totally was taking it personally when reading the Sam H description!  :)
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> The four cm jump is at least consistent, I wouldn't take it personally :-)
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:29:27 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I 
>>> don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...
>>>
>>> But when I read this description on the website:
>>>
>>>  Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame 
>>> design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube 
>>> slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it. 
>>> As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where 
>>> it's comfortable. 
>>>
>>> If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the 
>>> 60. Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most 
>>> 6-4ers ride the 64. 
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of 
>>> things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the 
>>> "production" models.
>>>
>>> 45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Addison
>>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.**com 
>>>
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[RBW] Surly Karate Monkey for sale...though I would mention this on here.

[jinxed]

I am selling my Karate Monkey which I guess is lo-fi for a mountain bike. 
Not sure if it peaks any interest here, but surly seems to get some love.

It's set up geared 1x9, but will *also* ship with a SS wheelset. I'll pick 
up shipping for list members in the states. Alaska, Hawaii??? probably some 
additional.

Any questions, hit me up.

Here's my Denver craigs ad:

http://denver.craigslist.org/bik/3004174212.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The 52 should be just fine.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:09:00 PM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>
> I totally was taking it personally when reading the Sam H description!  :)
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:49 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
> cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The four cm jump is at least consistent, I wouldn't take it personally :-)
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:29:27 PM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I 
>>> don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...
>>>
>>> But when I read this description on the website:
>>>
>>>  Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame 
>>> design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube 
>>> slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it. 
>>> As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where 
>>> it's comfortable. 
>>>
>>> If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the 
>>> 60. Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most 
>>> 6-4ers ride the 64. 
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of 
>>> things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the 
>>> "production" models.
>>>
>>> 45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Addison
>>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.**com 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags for carrying a laptop?

[Tom Harrop]

I do it lots. I carry a 15″ MBP in a Large SaddleSack in one of these 
Crumpler 
sleeves
.

My girlfriend carries her 15″ MBP in a Medium SaddleSack in one of these Ron 
D. Swan 
sleeves.
 
The sleeve only just fits flat in the bottom of the SaddleSack.

In case it's not clear the laptop sits in the sleeve on the bottom of the 
SaddleSack, then you pile your other stuff on top. I've been doing it twice 
a day for well over a year now with no problems. I far prefer having it sit 
flat on the rack in a saddle bag to my previous arrangement, which was to 
carry it in an Ortlieb pannier where it was able to bounce around 
vertically and laterally (if you see what I mean).

I take the SaddleSack off when I park my bike and carry it into my office. 
It takes about 10 seconds to get it off and maybe 30 to put back on again. 
Ortliebs may be quicker but lose out big time on shape and size to the 
SaddleSacks, in my humble IMHO.

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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags for carrying a laptop?

[Tom Harrop]

Oops, I meant the 15″ Crumpler 
sleeve.
 
But I'm confident the 17″ would fit in a large SaddleSack...

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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags for carrying a laptop?

[Zack]

I carry a laptop in my large saddlesack (17" Macbook Pro).

I have it in an incase sleeve, and generally put a jacket or something else 
soft underneath the sleeved laptop to help with bumps. 

may be a tight fit in the medium, but the 13 would fit in the large (as 
pretty much anything can fit in the large, lol). 

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:27:16 PM UTC-4, TSW wrote:
>
> Sorry if this is a repeat.  I'm looking for a way to carry a 13" laptop 
> (Macbook Pro 13" to be exact) in something like a Sackville Medium 
> saddlebag.  I'd like to protect it as well as possible, and am considering 
> a hardshell case, such as a Pelican case (1085CC or equivalent).  Anyone 
> have any experience in securely shlepping a laptop in a saddlebag? 
>  According to the dimensions, the Sackville Medium is nominally narrower 
> than the outside dimensions of the Pelican 1085.  But I figure there's some 
> give, no?
>
> And, my commute will be multi-modal: I'll want to be able to pull it out 
> easily for the motorized leg of my trip.
>
> I'd like to hear any other solutions and experience.
>
> TIA,
> TSW
> Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Re: couple o thoughts on riv sizing sadness

[RJM]

I'm 5-6.5" tall, have a PBH of 79 and am riding a taiwan orange canti 
post 48cm Sam.  It fits wonderfully and that is the size they told me to 
get.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:29:27 PM UTC-5, Addison wrote:

> Let me be clear that I love my 53cm Riv AR so perhaps it is moot since I 
> don't know when I'll be getting another Riv...
>
> But when I read this description on the website:
>
>  Five sizes: 48 and 52 fit 650B wheels; 56, 60 and 64 fit 700C. The frame 
> design is "expanded," which is not at all like "compact." The top tube 
> slopes up 6 degrees, and so the head tube grows in height to intercept it. 
> As a result, it is easy, really easy, to get your handlebar high up where 
> it's comfortable. 
>
> If you're five-ten, you'll probably be on a 56. Most 6-footers ride the 
> 60. Most five-eighters, the 52. The 48 fits most five-twoers, and most 
> 6-4ers ride the 64. 
>
> ** 
>
> It feels like I've been "forgotten" a bit in the grand sizing scheme of 
> things.  Anybody else in the same boat as I am?   At least in terms of the 
> "production" models.
>
> 45 and still a "tween" apparently.  :(
>
> -- 
> Addison
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What is the deal with the double top tubes?

[dougP]

"Probably should have spent less time riding and more time surfing."
No, you've got your priorities straight. We've discussed the 2TT
subject ad nauseum here, & I doubt anyone changed their mind as a
result.

"Now I kind of want an Atlantis,..."  The Atlantis is "...unchanged
since 1999.75...".  There have been reports of additional rack
mounting eyelets on later versions but that's about it.

Get an Atlantis; you will not regret it.  Grant hit the bullseye & is
unlikely to change his aim.

dougP

On May 9, 8:16 am, Kayakguy  wrote:
> Well I guess it has been awhile since I have been there. I have been
> enjoying riding my Rambouillet too much to feel the need to shop.
> Probably should have spent less time riding and more time surfing.
>
>   or maybe a Hilborn or I don't know. A
> light tourer I guess for commuting and dreaming about longer rides.
> That way I can strip the rack off the Rambouillet and keep her slim.
>
> On May 9, 11:06 am, Peter Morgano  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Uhh, not to be a jerk but when was the last time you were on the site? I
> > believe this has been the norm for at least the 4 years I have been poking
> > around.  You could call RBW and see if they have your size in a singe TT,
> > the old attic is full of surprises.
>
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kayakguy  wrote:
> > > I knew about the Bombadil having a double, but I gues you are saying
> > > all the "medium sizes like 58 or 60 would still be single? I hope
> > > cause I don't much dig the double look.
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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags for carrying a laptop?

[Burton]

I carry my 15" laptop in a medium and have for years with no sleeve at
all. I just added a lyer of foam above the stiffener in the bottom of
the sackville. I also have a Nitto quick release handle which makes
taking it on and off the bike incredibly easy.

On May 9, 6:02 pm, Zack  wrote:
> I carry a laptop in my large saddlesack (17" Macbook Pro).
>
> I have it in an incase sleeve, and generally put a jacket or something else
> soft underneath the sleeved laptop to help with bumps.
>
> may be a tight fit in the medium, but the 13 would fit in the large (as
> pretty much anything can fit in the large, lol).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 5:27:16 PM UTC-4, TSW wrote:
>
> > Sorry if this is a repeat.  I'm looking for a way to carry a 13" laptop
> > (Macbook Pro 13" to be exact) in something like a Sackville Medium
> > saddlebag.  I'd like to protect it as well as possible, and am considering
> > a hardshell case, such as a Pelican case (1085CC or equivalent).  Anyone
> > have any experience in securely shlepping a laptop in a saddlebag?
> >  According to the dimensions, the Sackville Medium is nominally narrower
> > than the outside dimensions of the Pelican 1085.  But I figure there's some
> > give, no?
>
> > And, my commute will be multi-modal: I'll want to be able to pull it out
> > easily for the motorized leg of my trip.
>
> > I'd like to hear any other solutions and experience.
>
> > TIA,
> > TSW
> > Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags for carrying a laptop?

[Jim]

I have an older version of this REI briefcase:

http://www.rei.com/product/809169/rei-quantum-checkpoint-brief

I use the detachable sleeve and put it in my large Sackville saddlesack, 
where it fits with plenty of room.  It very well may work with the medium

Jim in Boulder

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:27:16 PM UTC-6, TSW wrote:
>
> Sorry if this is a repeat.  I'm looking for a way to carry a 13" laptop 
> (Macbook Pro 13" to be exact) in something like a Sackville Medium 
> saddlebag.  I'd like to protect it as well as possible, and am considering 
> a hardshell case, such as a Pelican case (1085CC or equivalent).  Anyone 
> have any experience in securely shlepping a laptop in a saddlebag? 
>  According to the dimensions, the Sackville Medium is nominally narrower 
> than the outside dimensions of the Pelican 1085.  But I figure there's some 
> give, no?
>
> And, my commute will be multi-modal: I'll want to be able to pull it out 
> easily for the motorized leg of my trip.
>
> I'd like to hear any other solutions and experience.
>
> TIA,
> TSW
> Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[Jim]

When I started looking for a new bicycle last year (for the first time in a 
lonnng time), I got put on some spectacularly small frames (i'm 6-8"), 
including a Specialized Crosstrail, and some Giant bike that was around 
60cm.  And they would have happily sold me those bikes.  I think it was the 
third LBS i entered where someone finally told me "dude, we got nothing, 
you need a custom".  Fortunately I found Riv and the AHH.

Jim in Boulder

On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:27:14 PM UTC-6, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> I just happened to be in Walnut Creek today and...
>
> Okay, I actually had planned my vacation this year to include San 
> Francisco and Walnut Creek. I arrived yesterday after spending the last 12 
> days or so biking the Oregon coast and spending time with family in 
> Portland. I'd added a leg to SF when I discovered it wasn't very expensive 
> to add the leg to my ticket and I got a great deal at The Mosser in SF that 
> made an extra 5 days possible. Admittedly it's a tiny little room, but 
> holds me and my bike so there you go.
>
> Today I took the BART out to Walnut Creek thinking that Grant would be off 
> on his book tour but he was in town, actually doing some other publicity 
> stuff. I got to meet him in person, get a copy of his book, and then worked 
> with Vince on a little something else.
>
> I had my PBH remeasured and sure enough, I'm still mostly leg, at least 
> 95.5 (and I'd thought I was 94). 
>
> I test rode the 64 Sam and the 62 Hunq.
>
> Both were fantastic. The Hunq was just slightly more fantastic for me. I 
> stress the "for me" bit because it could easily be the other way around for 
> someone else. I just like really fat tires and riding on the Big Apples 
> they had attached showed me just how comfortable that bike can be.
>
> I went with the stock build kit for a couple of reasons. First it's good 
> stuff and does save me a bit on the build. In a perfect world I might have 
> toyed with a few things but that would have added unnecessarily to the 
> cost. In the future I'll upgrade when things wear out.
>
> The only thing that concerns me is the Alba bars. They were really nice on 
> the test Hunq I rode, though I'm a moustache guy. I'm thinking that I may 
> swap the Albas on the Hunq with the M-bars on my QB. I use the QB around 
> town for the most part. That'll be like getting two new bikes. :-)
>
> After spending all that money I spent the afternoon on the trails leading 
> up to Mount Diablo. I didn't go up because it was hot and late in the day, 
> I hadn't eaten much today, and I only had one bottle of water. That and I 
> didn't want to climb 2,000 feet after all the climbing in Oregon. It was 
> still a lovely day for a ride and next time I'm in the Bay Area I know 
> exactly how to get there. :-)
>
> All in all it was great to meet Grant, Vince is a great guy, the Hunq is a 
> super bike, and I'm still a bike short, I only have 'n' bikes.
>
> My arsenal now includes (as of July)
>
> 62 Hunq 
> 66 Quickbeam
> ?? RB-1 (in Hilo)
> Bike Friday New World Tourist
> Fujiyama (a house brand for McCully Bicycle back in the day) single speed 
> beater (freshly powder coated and shod with Big Apples)
>
>
> That'll do it for a while.
>
> -- 
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> statrix.com
>
>  
On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:27:14 PM UTC-6, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> I just happened to be in Walnut Creek today and...
>
> Okay, I actually had planned my vacation this year to include San 
> Francisco and Walnut Creek. I arrived yesterday after spending the last 12 
> days or so biking the Oregon coast and spending time with family in 
> Portland. I'd added a leg to SF when I discovered it wasn't very expensive 
> to add the leg to my ticket and I got a great deal at The Mosser in SF that 
> made an extra 5 days possible. Admittedly it's a tiny little room, but 
> holds me and my bike so there you go.
>
> Today I took the BART out to Walnut Creek thinking that Grant would be off 
> on his book tour but he was in town, actually doing some other publicity 
> stuff. I got to meet him in person, get a copy of his book, and then worked 
> with Vince on a little something else.
>
> I had my PBH remeasured and sure enough, I'm still mostly leg, at least 
> 95.5 (and I'd thought I was 94). 
>
> I test rode the 64 Sam and the 62 Hunq.
>
> Both were fantastic. The Hunq was just slightly more fantastic for me. I 
> stress the "for me" bit because it could easily be the other way around for 
> someone else. I just like really fat tires and riding on the Big Apples 
> they had attached showed me just how comfortable that bike can be.
>
> I went with the stock build kit for a couple of reasons. First it's good 
> stuff and does save me a bit on the build. In a perfect world I might have 
> toyed with a few things but that would have added unnecessarily to the 
> cost. In the future I'll upgrade when things wear out.
>
> The only thing that concerns me is the Alba bars. They were really nice 

[RBW] Re: Saddlebags for carrying a laptop?

[Blindrobert]

+! on the sackville saddlesack.  Just put it in a padded sleeve of
some kind and go for it. Never had any problem.

On May 9, 7:44 pm, Jim  wrote:
> I have an older version of this REI briefcase:
>
> http://www.rei.com/product/809169/rei-quantum-checkpoint-brief
>
> I use the detachable sleeve and put it in my large Sackville saddlesack,
> where it fits with plenty of room.  It very well may work with the medium
>
> Jim in Boulder
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 3:27:16 PM UTC-6, TSW wrote:
>
> > Sorry if this is a repeat.  I'm looking for a way to carry a 13" laptop
> > (Macbook Pro 13" to be exact) in something like a Sackville Medium
> > saddlebag.  I'd like to protect it as well as possible, and am considering
> > a hardshell case, such as a Pelican case (1085CC or equivalent).  Anyone
> > have any experience in securely shlepping a laptop in a saddlebag?
> >  According to the dimensions, the Sackville Medium is nominally narrower
> > than the outside dimensions of the Pelican 1085.  But I figure there's some
> > give, no?
>
> > And, my commute will be multi-modal: I'll want to be able to pull it out
> > easily for the motorized leg of my trip.
>
> > I'd like to hear any other solutions and experience.
>
> > TIA,
> > TSW
> > Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Badge Poster - Now in High Res

[Marty]

Thanks! Honestly, I hope there is always another nameless bike in 
development, and that the poster will never be complete. I will, however, 
update it when the newest bike (badge and all) is complete. FYI - for those 
interested, shipping costs have outpaced my estimates, (I'm using USPS 
Priority) as have production costs, so I need to bump the price up to $30 
to cover all that. Can't pull the trigger on a large enough batch to get 
better pricing. I do offer multiple discounts though, and may be in the 
mood for a trade+$ or two, (still looking for a good five speed freewheel, 
a large Sackville trunksack in black, a Paul silver Gino mount, or ?) just 
send me a note off list. 

Marty

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[RBW] Help me choose my next Riv!

[Tim]

Ok, please help me out. I had to send my fork to Waterford to have the
stuck stem removed and the gravity of not having a second Riv has sunk
in. I'm stuck riding a way too small Cannondale or an old
Specialized Rockhopper which is, although a decent bike, also too
small (and not a Riv.) So, now it's time to choose. Right now I have a
63cm AHH with noodle bars and longboard fenders. At least 90% or more
of my riding is on the road. I did a supported Southern Tier tour last
summer and would like to do at least one, unsupported (though lightly
loaded) tour this year and more in the future. I like the occasional
fast club ride. In fact, I really, really like them, but I'm not as
fast as I used to be (51 with 2 artificial knees.) I bought the old
MTB for single track last year and found it to be a blast.

So my dilemma: Which should be my next Riv? Hunqa or Rodeo? I will
eventually have both but I'll order one of them probably very soon. By
the time I get Homer's fork back I'll have been without it for 3 weeks
and that, my friends, is unacceptable. I love the fast riding and I
actually was planning on the Rodeo when I got the AHH but changed my
mind after talking with Keven and Grant. Do you guys think the Rodeo
is too close to the Homer and too limited? I guess if I got it I would
probably go with racks and more of a touring setup for Homer. Or if I
got the Hunqa, maybe I could strip down Homer and use it for the
clubbish rides. But where does that leave the occasional single track
foray? What say ye all?

Thanks in advance.

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[RBW] 63cm romulus?

[Seth Vidal]

Does anyone on the list have a 63cm romulus? I'm curious about
something - so if you have one and would be willing to talk to me
about it, drop me a line.

thanks
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[RBW] Re: Help me choose my next Riv!

[Joe Bernard]

I'd get a Roadeo for fast club rides, deck out the AHH for touring,
and use the Rockhopper for singletrack.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On May 9, 7:06 pm, Tim  wrote:
> Ok, please help me out. I had to send my fork to Waterford to have the
> stuck stem removed and the gravity of not having a second Riv has sunk
> in. I'm stuck riding a way too small Cannondale or an old
> Specialized Rockhopper which is, although a decent bike, also too
> small (and not a Riv.) So, now it's time to choose. Right now I have a
> 63cm AHH with noodle bars and longboard fenders. At least 90% or more
> of my riding is on the road. I did a supported Southern Tier tour last
> summer and would like to do at least one, unsupported (though lightly
> loaded) tour this year and more in the future. I like the occasional
> fast club ride. In fact, I really, really like them, but I'm not as
> fast as I used to be (51 with 2 artificial knees.) I bought the old
> MTB for single track last year and found it to be a blast.
>
> So my dilemma: Which should be my next Riv? Hunqa or Rodeo? I will
> eventually have both but I'll order one of them probably very soon. By
> the time I get Homer's fork back I'll have been without it for 3 weeks
> and that, my friends, is unacceptable. I love the fast riding and I
> actually was planning on the Rodeo when I got the AHH but changed my
> mind after talking with Keven and Grant. Do you guys think the Rodeo
> is too close to the Homer and too limited? I guess if I got it I would
> probably go with racks and more of a touring setup for Homer. Or if I
> got the Hunqa, maybe I could strip down Homer and use it for the
> clubbish rides. But where does that leave the occasional single track
> foray? What say ye all?
>
> Thanks in advance.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help me choose my next Riv!

[cyclotourist]

My $.02:  Keep the AHH as is, get a properly sized Cannondale CAAD10 for
the fast club rides (when in Rome...) and then get the Hunq which could be
for most of your dirt rides and loaded touring. You can ride the AHH in
everything in between included mixed-surface rides and supported touring,
even some light self-contained. Depending on how fast you ride in the dirt,
keep the RH or sell depending on what you find yourself riding (slow dirt =
less need for suspension).



On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I'd get a Roadeo for fast club rides, deck out the AHH for touring,
> and use the Rockhopper for singletrack.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On May 9, 7:06 pm, Tim  wrote:
> > Ok, please help me out. I had to send my fork to Waterford to have the
> > stuck stem removed and the gravity of not having a second Riv has sunk
> > in. I'm stuck riding a way too small Cannondale or an old
> > Specialized Rockhopper which is, although a decent bike, also too
> > small (and not a Riv.) So, now it's time to choose. Right now I have a
> > 63cm AHH with noodle bars and longboard fenders. At least 90% or more
> > of my riding is on the road. I did a supported Southern Tier tour last
> > summer and would like to do at least one, unsupported (though lightly
> > loaded) tour this year and more in the future. I like the occasional
> > fast club ride. In fact, I really, really like them, but I'm not as
> > fast as I used to be (51 with 2 artificial knees.) I bought the old
> > MTB for single track last year and found it to be a blast.
> >
> > So my dilemma: Which should be my next Riv? Hunqa or Rodeo? I will
> > eventually have both but I'll order one of them probably very soon. By
> > the time I get Homer's fork back I'll have been without it for 3 weeks
> > and that, my friends, is unacceptable. I love the fast riding and I
> > actually was planning on the Rodeo when I got the AHH but changed my
> > mind after talking with Keven and Grant. Do you guys think the Rodeo
> > is too close to the Homer and too limited? I guess if I got it I would
> > probably go with racks and more of a touring setup for Homer. Or if I
> > got the Hunqa, maybe I could strip down Homer and use it for the
> > clubbish rides. But where does that leave the occasional single track
> > foray? What say ye all?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
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[RBW] Help me choose my next Riv!

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Presumably you're not interested in doing what I did: I love my 60cm Hillborne 
so much I got a second one (different color). Now I'll likely never be without 
my dream bike. But if you feel your AHH isn't perfect for any potential 
touring, well...

My vote: Get the Hunqapillar if the 62 fits. Get a 60 Hillborne if it doesn't. 
If you stay on road virtually all the time, either will sub for the AHH should 
it be on hiatus in future. And either will tour lightly (or not-so-lightly, for 
that matter) loaded. The Roadeo is limited as a sub for the AHH. Spend any 
savings on Nitto and Sackville finery. And/or really good lights.

After you have for redundancy needs taken care of (and also have probably 
expanded your capabilities a bit) *then* get the Roadeo. Then a Brompton. 
Then a Betty. ... :)

Enjoy!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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Re: [RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Romulus 59cm ~ frame/fork/105 headset/wheels/bb

[cyclotourist]

Eric, just saw the CL
posting, looks like
a great bike!

Roms were one of the best bikes Rivendell sold IMHO. Someone needs to buy
this!



On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Eric  wrote:

> Bump...$800 + shipping. I have a LOAD of photos, email me if you'd
> like to see 'em.
>
> - Eric
>
> On May 4, 6:31 pm, Eric  wrote:
> > fs: RivendellRomulus59cm. No dents. Includes frame/fork and 105
> > headset.
> > Also included is a Shimano 105/Araya RC540 wheelset. The rear rim has
> > a very slight dent in the edge, that was there when I got the bike.
> > Makes no difference functionally. Wheel rolls true. All parts included
> > are parts the bike originally came with. BB also included. $900 plus
> > shipping to conus only.
> >
> > My only two photos at the current time:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/78eyze8http://tinyurl.com/7o2ypxb
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Re: [RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Romulus 59cm ~ frame/fork/105 headset/wheels/bb

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:38 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Eric, just saw the CL posting, looks like a great bike!
>
> Roms were one of the best bikes Rivendell sold IMHO. Someone needs to buy
> this!
>

I concur. I will go a while without riding mine (riding the hilsen
instead) and then when I go back to it I sometimes thing "hmmm, I
should spend more time on this bike".


-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Romulus 59cm ~ frame/fork/105 headset/wheels/bb

[cyclotourist]

The bike:$$$ ratio was pretty amazing on them. The San Marcos now fills
that role. But this was a Rivendell, not a third party bike. Pretty cool!

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:38 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
> > Eric, just saw the CL posting, looks like a great bike!
> >
> > Roms were one of the best bikes Rivendell sold IMHO. Someone needs to buy
> > this!
> >
>
> I concur. I will go a while without riding mine (riding the hilsen
> instead) and then when I go back to it I sometimes thing "hmmm, I
> should spend more time on this bike".
>
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Re: Help me choose my next Riv!

[Mike]

I've had my 63cm Hilsen for almost 4yrs and feel it makes an excellent
all round road bike. I've used it for road riding, brevets, s24o's,
and even a 9 day tour. Having different tires can really impact the
way it feels. I felt it performed the most poorly as a touring bike.
With summer coming, and plans for possible touring, it sounds like the
Hunqa is the bike for you. As others pointed out, if you're gonna tour
on the road consider the SH. Or why not just see if RBW will make you
a 64cm Atlantis? I'd pass on the Roadeo for the time being.

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[RBW] New Bike = 64 Rambouillet Frame F/S

[rob markwardt]

Greetings,
My Rambouillet has been replaced so I'm seeking a new home for
it.  It's been a great bike but the garage is small and it hasn't been
getting many miles recently.  It's a 64, green, no dents, some paint
rub and a few scratches.  Comes with a logoless Shimano headset
(Ultegra I believe).  I've had the bike for about 3.5 years, 2nd
owner have had some great rides on it.  It's been ridden but
certainly not crazy mileage...(the beauty of a garageful is that the
miles get spread around).  I can pack and will ship FedEx from
Seattle.  Pics below...more available...questions let me know.  $775
plus shipping.

Rambouillet  frame  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157629660723644/

The "NEW" bike http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157629660677592/


Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] New Bike = 64 Rambouillet Frame F/S

[cyclotourist]

The only thing better than a Rom is a Ram!!!

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:34 PM, rob markwardt wrote:

> Greetings,
>My Rambouillet has been replaced so I'm seeking a new home for
> it.  It's been a great bike but the garage is small and it hasn't been
> getting many miles recently.  It's a 64, green, no dents, some paint
> rub and a few scratches.  Comes with a logoless Shimano headset
> (Ultegra I believe).  I've had the bike for about 3.5 years, 2nd
> owner have had some great rides on it.  It's been ridden but
> certainly not crazy mileage...(the beauty of a garageful is that the
> miles get spread around).  I can pack and will ship FedEx from
> Seattle.  Pics below...more available...questions let me know.  $775
> plus shipping.
>
> Rambouillet  frame
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157629660723644/
>
> The "NEW" bike
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157629660677592/
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rob Markwardt
> Seattle, Wa
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[RBW] tektro cr720 installation advice

[Brian Hanson]

I'm finding that the CR720 canti brass bushing fits too snugly on the canti
posts on my new hunqa.  I can hardly force the brake on the post.  I tried
a Deore V-brake and it goes on no problem.   I'm guessing the posts have
clear-coat as they look coated shiny.  What is the best way to remove
this?  Should I just sand it or is there a good solvent that works for this
sort of thing?  I am not seeing this issue on my brief interweb search, so
I'm guessing most folks just sand the posts, or I have a strange defective
brake set?

Brian
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Just Ride

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Maybe there should be a spoiler alert here - be advised that I will be 
discussing various aspects of the new book, so navigate away from this page 
if you prefer the content of the book to be a complete surprise.

I finished reading the book tonight, which if I can summarize in a line, is 
about all the good things about bikes that appear only when you toss racer 
prejudices and attitudes out the window and Just Ride. After the first few 
chapters, I thought that maybe the editors really sanitized GP's 
historically familiar against-the-grain opinions to be more blandly 
vanilla, hopefully to be appealing to a broader audience. The general 
content wasn't unpredictable to me, having read the Readers and Catalogs 
and most everything else Riv going back to 2004 when I wanted a touring 
bike and couldn't find any to buy except the Atlantis (that's how I first 
found Riv in the internet universe). But I was somewhat surprised that 
there was little to no discernible lug evangelism or quill stem absolutism 
or singing the praises of friction shifters, and the Retro-Grouchiness was 
held to a dull roar. 

But as I got further along in the book, I started to think that maybe Mr 
Petersen has simply mellowed about the trivial details over the years (I 
know I have!). Or maybe more accurately, there's less to be peeved about in 
the bike industry now than there was 10 years ago or even 5 years ago. 
After all, smart, sturdy bikes with ample tire clearance and useful 
braze-ons and some attention to classic, non-billboard aesthetics have 
become, dare I say, normal. If racing bikes and gear are the status quo in 
the world, then I must live in a lucky bubble in South Minneapolis where I 
ride and fix bikes every day, as I see lots of reincarnated 1980s 
sport-tourers, old steel MTBs, and new(ish) Surly Cross-checks and LHTs on 
a daily basis, but feel like I see relatively few "road bikes" being ridden 
by obvious faux-racers. To the extent that bike trends have steered toward 
the benefit of the "Unracer" over the past decade or so, my opinion is that 
Grant and Rivendell played a large part in it. This is not to say that all 
smart bike designs and product offerings are shameless Riv-ripoffs, but 
that Grant gave voice to a backlash movement and opened a long-neglected 
market to a lot of smart, creative people who maybe couldn't or wouldn't 
have done it without some pioneering coattails to ride on.

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[RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The Deore v-brakes are so much better in so many ways than ANY canti, 
especially the fiddly and minimally effective CR720...maybe just take it as 
a sign from God that you are meant to use v-brakes on this bike?

On Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:13:04 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>
> I'm finding that the CR720 canti brass bushing fits too snugly on the 
> canti posts on my new hunqa.  I can hardly force the brake on the post.  I 
> tried a Deore V-brake and it goes on no problem.   I'm guessing the posts 
> have clear-coat as they look coated shiny.  What is the best way to remove 
> this?  Should I just sand it or is there a good solvent that works for this 
> sort of thing?  I am not seeing this issue on my brief interweb search, so 
> I'm guessing most folks just sand the posts, or I have a strange defective 
> brake set?
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Obviously, sizing varies from brand to brand, and frame size makes much 
less difference with threadless steerers (if the steerer is left long 
enough). So it's not out of line that a 6-footer could optimally ride a 
56cm non-Riv.

Anyway: Back in 2005 when I rode and was comfy on a 58 Atlantis (I'm 5'8" 
with an 85ish pbh), my bike shop coworker, who was very experienced (unlike 
me at the time) and known as a fitting guru, expressed SHOCK that a short 
guy like me would ride a 58 (which is huge in race bike circles). I figured 
there was some brand-to-brand size discrepancy, so I took a $4000 57cm 
Lemonde something off the rack, and rode it for 10 minutes on my break. It 
actually felt pretty great with no adjusting from stock stem length or 
height and with a normal amount of seatpost showing. But my expert coworker 
suggested I try a 52 Trek Madone, which he said was more my size. Me riding 
that bike was high comedy and it was obvious that some pretty severe 
changes would be required if I was to have any hope of riding such a 
small-framed bike comfortably. I've thumbed my nose at conventional sizing 
recommendations ever since. Now I mostly ride two 56 cm Surly models, a 58 
cm Curt Goodrich, and a one-size-fits-most Brompton. If I bought another 
Atlantis, Roadeo, AHH, Rambouillet or other traditional Riv, I'd probably 
be able to work with anything between 55 and 59 cm. I just set up a 54 cm 
San Marcos, and that feels pretty good, too.

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:39:00 AM UTC-5, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 11:15:59 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
>>
>> And the only bike I regret buying was fat-tubed, but too small road bike 
>> about 25+ years ago. I was riding a "too big" Schwinn road bike  and got 
>> talked into buying a new bike that was the "right size." I wish I'd kept 
>> the Schwinn...with any luck it's still on the road. As 
>
>
> At the risk of taking this off-topic, I find it incredibly hard not to 
> comment when someone is beaming over their new bike that is 2 to 4 _inches_ 
> too small. Just yesterday my neighbor, that had been talking about getting 
> a new Kona all winter long pulled up on what looked to be 56 "Honky Tonk". 
> He is about 6', maybe even 6'1". WTH? He's got 2 or 3 inches on me, and I'm 
> riding a 59.
>
> Believe me, I'll never be a downer over anyone's new bike, but aye, they 
> sure make it hard don't they.
>
> -Allan
>
>

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