Re: [RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Dan Abelson]

Two.

I have a 54cm Orange Quickbeam and a 55cm AHH.


 I am toying with the idea of replacing the AHH with something else
but not sure exactly what yet (maybe a Black Mountain Cycles Monster
Cross).

Unless, I get injured in a way that makes single speed riding no
longer viable, I don't think I will ever sell the Quickbeam.

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN


On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:29 PM, charlie  wrote:
> I own twoa 56cm Hillborne (the all Green one) and a 60cm SimpleOne
> butI would sell them off for a 58cm Atlantis frame. I only need one
> good bicycle and at my weight I need a beefier frame either a 'Hunk' or an
> Atlantis which I prefer Aesthetically. This would replace my Surly Trucker
> frame which seems to be perfect for me as far as tire size options and frame
> strength etc. only problem its not a Riv and not lugged.
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:55:17 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>>
>> I'll start: 1
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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Brencho]

(Almost) 1!

A 58 cm Atlantis. Put in the order two weeks ago after way way way longer 
of saving, deliberating and dreaming. Now for the wait and the build 
options...


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[RBW] Re: Bag questions: courier, backpack; Seagull strap system versus Timbuktu system.

[Paul]

Baileyworks has this illustration of how to adjust a split strap system. I 
think their's is pretty much the same as seagull's. But it is pretty much 
useless :/  http://www.baileyworks.com/assets/split.jpg

They used to have a nice video, but I can't find it anymore.

I always reach around behind my back and lift the bag up a bit so it sits 
on my back where I want it. Then I use my other hand to cinch the strap. 
That makes sure everything is in the right place. The strap on the bottom 
of the bag that keeps it from swinging around to the front also seems to 
help keep the strap from sliding up my shoulder and on to my neck.

Paul

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:29:34 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I traded a Carradice Bike Bureau for a very nice Seagull courier bag 
> custom made for a listmember with whom I made the trade. It's a great bag 
> that isn't too big but that will easily fit my 17" MacBook Pro. But it has 
> what the industry seems to call a "split strap" system instead of the kind 
> I've found on my Timbuktu and Jandd courier bags, with simple shoulder 
> strap and waist strap: the split strap system basically cinches the strap 
> against your shoulder (left, for this bag), and a secondary strap then 
> clips near the shoulder and can be adjusted to fit. Thus instead of holding 
> it steady against your waist, it holds it steady by a combination of two 
> straps around your shoulder. I hear Chrome uses the same system.
>
> I suppose anyone who can supply useful information for my question will 
> already know all of this.
>
> Here is the first question: What is the best method to get this type of 
> bag secure on your back? When I try -- especially with bulky loads -- I 
> seem to index between it feeling as if it will slip off my shoulder, and 
> having the main strap tight enough that it presses against my throat. 
>
> I am familiar with the Timbuktu-type system, which never is completely 
> secure, IME, but which at least didn't try to choke me.
>
> Second question: which system is (for you who have tried both) better, and 
> why? What are the pluses and minuses of each system?
>
> Third question: between courier bags with each of the two strap systems, 
> and cycling-specific backpacks, which is best, and why?
>
> Lastly: if I decide to trade this Seagull, do any of y'all have a cycling 
> specific back pack, big enough for a 17" laptop, and in good condition, 
> that you might want to trade?
>
> But I'd prefer to learn how to use the split strap system on this Seagull 
> properly.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
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>
> -
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[RBW] the precarious balance of rim development

[steel lugs]

Have a pair of Phil Wood 'Rivy' 36h hubs I intend to build up during the
winter months for my Rambouillet, but am undecided on what rims to go
with.  A while back, Grant posted an insightful piece regarding the
precarious balance of rim development (i.e., 'Light, Strong, and
Inexpensive: Pick Two').  He then mentioned rolling out a new ‘Stouty’ rim
of which I've been pestering Rick for an ETA for nearly a year now, but he
confessed they were waiting as well.  Complete speculation on my part, but
I presume the delay may have something to do with Velocity moving it's
production from Australia to Florida.  Given this, I may just go ahead and
choose from the current offering of rims (such as the ones below), but
wanted to first touch base with this group to gather firsthand
builder/rider experiences or possibly learn of other options.  I'm
also curious of any considerations pertaining to tire mounting/seating
issues.



Grand Bois - http://cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/336618/404875/list.html

Pacenti PL23 -
http://www.bikelugs.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=398

Soma Eldon - http://store.somafab.com/soelrim70.html

Velo-Orange Raid/PBP/Diagonale -
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/wheelsets-rims-hubs/rims.html



>From this list, it is probably obvious I'm leaning towards a traditional
looking, non-anodized, non-machined, single/double eyelet, silver rim.
 Incidentally, I will be running 32 mm tires (Jack Brown Green’s, most
likely).  Thanks in advance.



michael z

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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Nick Worthington]

Two:  My Romulus, purchased from a list-member in June, and tricked out to 
my taste.  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14724719@N08/8128650274/in/set-72157631768565673

And my wife's Betty - the former RBW 62 cm floor model: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14724719@N08/7953739428/in/photostream  with 
drop bars from her old Miyata.

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> I'll start: 1

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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Bill in Rockville]

I own 4:
Atlantis
Bombadil
Rambouillet and a
Rivendell Long Low
 
My son owns a Romulus.
 
Bill ibn Rockville
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Re: [RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Matt Gilkey]

I have just one. It is one of Frank Brose's 56cm Atlantises.  It absoutley the 
best bike I own. Thanks Frank. 

-Matt G. 
Tucson, AZ

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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Frank Quan]

One 1998 All-Rounder.

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> I'll start: 1

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Re: [RBW] Rear Fender Light - Installation Questions

[David Verrinder]

I used clear silicone to attach the rear light wire to the inside of the
fender. I use the B & M seculight and it works great on the SKS Longboards

David

On Monday, October 29, 2012, Pierre wrote:

> Berthoud fenders (at least the 50mm ones) have rolled edges that is the
> perfect fit for a Schmidt co-ax cable. I've used large patches of electric
> tape here and there to hold the wire in place, so far so good (make sure
> you apply tape on clean fenders). Pierre.
>
> On Monday, October 29, 2012 1:26:46 AM UTC+1, Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Light I'm installing is a Busch & Müller 4D Lite Plus.
>>
>> I put one of these on a Long Board against recommendations and it seems
>> to work fine.  Bright and more than capable of being the only rear light.
>>
>> Now I'm ready to put this on my AHH with Berthoud fenders.  Anyway I was
>> looking for conduit to run along the inside of the fender and wondering the
>> best way to attach wire / conduit to the fenders.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>> PS
>> Do you know of optimum mounting point for functionality of this light or
>> .. It appears to point LEDs down a hair indicating a mounting mid way up on
>> curve of fender.  Just my opinion.
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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[rob markwardt]

Currently in the garage...

61 Bleriot (favorite bikeif forced to pick one bike this is it)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/6992008641
64 Custom ...purchased 2nd(3rd?) hand.  Rode this all
summer...fantastic dry weather road bike 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/7502955392

Sold a 64 Rambouillet to fund the custom.

Rob

On Oct 30, 4:30 pm, Frank Brose  wrote:
> I'll play.
> 56 Atlantis- 3  Still own one
> 58 Atlantis- Gone to big
> 58 rambo- Gone to buy a Bleriot
> 56 Canti Rom- gone wish i would have kept it
> 54 Saluki-parted out (to small) gone
> 59 Bleriot- gone but still second guess it's sale
> 60 Quickbeam- gone, wish I would have kept it but a 56-58 would have
> been a better fit
> 56 Legolas- never built but wish I would have
>
> On Oct 30, 2:55 pm, Michael  wrote:
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>
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> > I'll start: 1

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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[frank]

I have two.
A 61 Atlantis built by Mark Nobilette in 2009.
And a 61 Roadeo frame was delivered to my house about two weeks ago.
I'm hoping to build it up over the next several weeks.

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[RBW] How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Boogarich]

I'm glad to have one Rivendell - a 2006 Atlantis, Sage Green, 61 cm. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Trevor saxton]

Wife has a Betty Foy, I have two

56cm Simpleone ridden hard, long and well loved already
52cm Hillborne ridden thrice looking shiny and new still. 

Both less than a year old, and I love them both but now that ive moved to a new 
(smaller) home in an area with more hills would love to simplify down to one 
multi purpose commuter/grocery getter that combines the best of both.  

Decisions, Desicions...Hilsen or Atantis?  650b or 700c56, 57 or 58cm?   
1x9 or 2x1 drivetrain? 

Anyone looking for a sale/trade?  

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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[keith]

I have three.  My first was a Sam in 2009, then a Hilsen in 2010, and this 
year an Atlantis.  All of them were bought new at Rivendell HQ.  What I 
didn't know when I bought my Atlantis is that there is a $150 discount on 
the third bike bought at Riv.  I thought that was very cool.

Keith

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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Alan]

Ah! This post inspires me to emerge from the shadows-of-the-lurkers, and 
report that I own one Rivendell, a

 56 2TT Green Hillborne, purchased just after the announcement of the new 
blue SH's with cream head tubes.

I had really admired the look of the greens, and used their impending 
disappearance as a rationale to pull the trigger. 

I also own a completely Rivendellized Surly Cross Check (with Albatross 
bars, and a standard, Rivendell "Gruppo" ) which I rode for RAGBRAI this 
year. I felt that since I had used the Surly to train up for RAGBRAI that 
it deserved the honor of being the Main Event Bike, and it did not 
disappoint, a fact I attribute to the Wisdom contained in the Rivendell 
Readers and the good folks in this Forum.

I'm experimenting with On-One Midge bars on the Hillborne at the moment, 
awaiting the arrival of a new dirt-drop stem, and sort of playing "Dr. 
Frankenstein" with other bits and pieces in my basement lair

Alan from MD



 

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[RBW] Re: New/old magnets at Rivendell

[Dennis Hogan]

Thanks Joe for the heads-up - those are great - have placed the order (plus 
a few other items to amortize the shipping cost ;-) )
Dennis in PDX

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 6:19:37 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Well..I didn't expect to see *these *again. New "Rivendell" and "Baggins 
> Bags" magnets at ye old www.rivbike.com. 10 bucks each, which is really 
> gonna steam the guy who beat my bid of $25 for one on Ebay a couple weeks 
> ago :)
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New/old magnets at Rivendell

[Dave]

There's always one... !

On 11/1/2012 9:31 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Oh not much, just hangin' and perusing the Riv site :)
Joe "I kill myself" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 7:41:51 PM UTC-7, Dave Faller wrote:

Sorry for the confusion! That was a response to another email that
arrived a fraction of a second too soon!

Please disregard.


On 11/1/2012 7:39 PM, Dave wrote:

It was!

So, whatcha doin'?


On 11/1/2012 7:35 PM, Reid wrote:

So is the one the Atlantis greenish color? And the blue one is ...?
Reid
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Re: [RBW] Re: New/old magnets at Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

Oh not much, just hangin' and perusing the Riv site :)
 
Joe "I kill myself" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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>
>
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>
> So, whatcha doin'?
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>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: New/old magnets at Rivendell

[Dave]

Sorry for the confusion!  That was a response to another email that 
arrived a fraction of a second too soon!


Please disregard.


On 11/1/2012 7:39 PM, Dave wrote:

It was!

So, whatcha doin'?


On 11/1/2012 7:35 PM, Reid wrote:

So is the one the Atlantis greenish color? And the blue one is ...?
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Re: [RBW] Re: New/old magnets at Rivendell

[Dave]

It was!

So, whatcha doin'?


On 11/1/2012 7:35 PM, Reid wrote:

So is the one the Atlantis greenish color? And the blue one is ...?
Reid
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[RBW] Re: New/old magnets at Rivendell

[Reid]

So is the one the Atlantis greenish color? And the blue one is ...?
 
Reid
 

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[RBW] New/old magnets at Rivendell

[Leslie]

Spotted that auction on eBay, had talked to Grant about it; had been watching 
for them to appear ever since... Already ordered

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Re: [RBW] Re: A miles only cyclecomputer??

[Brian Campbell]

^ True, but as far as modern computers go, it is pretty minimal. 

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:42:34 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The link takes you to a 5 function computer ...?
>
> I used one of those star wheel mechanical odometer long ago. Their 
> accuracy is only fair because you can't calibrate them. I prefer an iPhone 
> app, that has the advantage of working with all my bikes. 
>
> Patrick Moore
> iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Brian Campbell > 
> wrote:
>
> Planet Bike makes this:
>
> http://ecom1.planetbike.com/8000.html
>
> Cheap & basic.
>
> On Monday, October 29, 2012 6:22:59 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> Don't know if this is the one he had or not, but very similar to it:
>>
>>
>> http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=01b7845c-244d-496e-ab4c-435ba068a908&Enum=103
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 12:54:26 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>>>
>>> I've not looked for one, but on my dad's old Nishiki roadbike from the 
>>> mid-70's, he had an odometer mounted down just above the fork's drop-out.  
>>> A little nub attached to the spoke, everytime it went around, it turned 
>>> over the 'gear' on the end of the box.  No electronics, purely mechanical. 
>>>   I've thought such would be neat, to keep a battery-failure-free tally on 
>>> a frame's mileage...
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:56:22 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 Any such animal?
  
 I lost my cyclecomputer. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing.
  
 All I wanna keep track of is miles.
  
 I don't care about speed much anymore.
  
 PLease advise.
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: A miles only cyclecomputer??

[Bertin753]

The link takes you to a 5 function computer ...?

I used one of those star wheel mechanical odometer long ago. Their accuracy is 
only fair because you can't calibrate them. I prefer an iPhone app, that has 
the advantage of working with all my bikes. 

Patrick Moore
iPhone

On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:12 PM, Brian Campbell  wrote:

> Planet Bike makes this:
> 
> http://ecom1.planetbike.com/8000.html
> 
> Cheap & basic.
> 
> On Monday, October 29, 2012 6:22:59 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>> 
>> Don't know if this is the one he had or not, but very similar to it:
>> 
>> http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=01b7845c-244d-496e-ab4c-435ba068a908&Enum=103
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 12:54:26 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've not looked for one, but on my dad's old Nishiki roadbike from the 
>>> mid-70's, he had an odometer mounted down just above the fork's drop-out.  
>>> A little nub attached to the spoke, everytime it went around, it turned 
>>> over the 'gear' on the end of the box.  No electronics, purely mechanical.  
>>>  I've thought such would be neat, to keep a battery-failure-free tally on a 
>>> frame's mileage...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:56:22 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
 
 Any such animal?
  
 I lost my cyclecomputer. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing.
  
 All I wanna keep track of is miles.
  
 I don't care about speed much anymore.
  
 PLease advise.
> 
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[RBW] New/old magnets at Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

Well..I didn't expect to see *these *again. New "Rivendell" and "Baggins 
Bags" magnets at ye old www.rivbike.com. 10 bucks each, which is really 
gonna steam the guy who beat my bid of $25 for one on Ebay a couple weeks 
ago :)
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: A miles only cyclecomputer??

[Brian Campbell]

Planet Bike makes this:

http://ecom1.planetbike.com/8000.html

Cheap & basic.

On Monday, October 29, 2012 6:22:59 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>
> Don't know if this is the one he had or not, but very similar to it:
>
>
> http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=01b7845c-244d-496e-ab4c-435ba068a908&Enum=103
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 29, 2012 12:54:26 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> I've not looked for one, but on my dad's old Nishiki roadbike from the 
>> mid-70's, he had an odometer mounted down just above the fork's drop-out.  
>> A little nub attached to the spoke, everytime it went around, it turned 
>> over the 'gear' on the end of the box.  No electronics, purely mechanical. 
>>   I've thought such would be neat, to keep a battery-failure-free tally on 
>> a frame's mileage...
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:56:22 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
>>>
>>> Any such animal?
>>>  
>>> I lost my cyclecomputer. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing.
>>>  
>>> All I wanna keep track of is miles.
>>>  
>>> I don't care about speed much anymore.
>>>  
>>> PLease advise.
>>>  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv's New Pedals

[BSWP]

I dropped my saddle a smidge, since I could feel the difference in reach 
from saddle to pedal.

And they're AGAIN sold out at RBW!

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Saddle bags hit backs of legs?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks -- I suspected that was it, but then the design is so careful with
details that I thought perhaps this was to cosmetically improve the
interior looks. The flip-over explanation makes more sense, though.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

>  Patrick:
>
> ** **
>
> It’s designed to flip/flap over and thus cover whatever you load into the
> bag.  If you use it that way, in most cases you never need to snap the big
> covering flap shut – combo of the interior flap and the weight of the
> exterior flap is more than enough.  Which makes access a little easier and
> quicker.
>
> ** **
>
> Tom
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *PATRICK MOORE
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:28 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Saddle bags hit backs of legs?
>
> ** **
>
> I just rode 10 miles home with my Sackville med stuffed; I was surprised
> at how little contact it made compared to a Nelson or Camper.
>
> ** **
>
> I was disappointed in the several Bagmans -- Bagmen? -- that I used. They
> look nice but seemed too flimsy for much weight. Note that I've not used
> the newer model which, from the photo, is ugly and is complicated by struts
> running to the seat stays. If you are going to have struts, I say, make
> them rack struts.
>
> ** **
>
> I preferred the SQR, of which I also used several, but it also is limited
> to 22 lb and, for me anyway, holds the bag too high and back. Its clamp
> screw will dig into your seatpost unless you put something between it and
> the post. 
>
> ** **
>
> IMO, the Nitto Grip is best, if you have a Brooks saddle and for some
> reason don't want to use your Brooks's loops; add a minimal rack or sturdy
> fender if you lack clearance. IMO, the ideal, not-of-this-world setup would
> be a Flite with sturdy loops holding a large bag supported underneath by a
> custom platform integral with the fender. Just dreamin'. But with my 559
> wheeled Riv, the Sackville M works fine sans bottom support.
>
> ** **
>
> FWIW, I was disappointed in the admittedly inexpensive seatpost clamped
> Velo Orange support -- flexed under a Nelson LF.
>
> ** **
>
> Lastly, a question: the Sackville Med has an interior flap attached at the
> bottom of the bag's mouth. Is this meant to cover the coroplast stiffener,
> or is it meant to flip over the load for additional security and protection
> before you close the lid? I use it both ways and both make sense, at least
> to my little mind. What's up wizzat?
>
> ** **
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Lynne Fitz  wrote:*
> ***
>
> Bagman.
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Re: [RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Jeremy: well said. Even that Trek doesn't look horrible, and CJ's Atlantis
actually looks quite good to my eyes except for the excessively fat tires.
I used a similar seatpost for a Flyer when others would not give me enough
setback.

My brother scored a beautiful 57 cm square Sequoia that is ***just my
size*** and selfishly kept it for himself; he's 4" taller at 6'2". He set
it up with a longish post and a 11 cm Tech Deluxe and swears it fits him
perfectly. (He has more experience than most bike shop employees when it
comes to buying, building, and fitting bikes, so I believe him. Of course,
he can comfortably ride a bar 3" below saddle, which I no longer can.)

My earliest builds, 15- 16, were truly bastards. My first build had a frame
incompatible with the wheels, so there were no brakes except my right Ked
shoved into the fork blades on top of the tire -- I put hundreds of not
thousands of miles on that one. About the same time, I converted my
brother's kid's bike (he was far smaller than I, back then) using a piece
of pipe for a seatpost supported by struts from a wheelbarrow running
between seatpost clamp bolts and rear axle. I also adapted Raleigh Sports
brake levers to drop bars by beating them with a hammer until they
submitted to the right curve, then covered the damage with decorative
plastic covers. A contemporaneous build involved tack welding a second
sprocket to an AW driver to convert an old Varsity to six speeds.

And listmember RS Watson bastardized an Electra cruiser with fat, 650B
tires, a sprung Brooks and a fixed drivetrain -- wonderful bike!

Frankly, I think intelligent bastardization often ends up probably more
practical and certainly better looking than modern racing bikes, most of
which I've seen are ugly. I can't judge their comfort or handling or fit,
since I've never ridden one.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Well, if there is such a thing as geometric bastardization, I'm guilty of
> multiple counts.  Probably the worst is my Trek 520, which I bought long
> before I knew much of anything about geometry, fit, etc.  To make matters
> worse, I was in love with flared drop bars like the On-One Midge, which
> needed to get up high to be comfortable, and I had long ago cut the fork
> way short.  This was the 
> result,
> pictured on a Riv ride a few years ago.  Midge bars, hi-rise stem on
> steerer tube extender.  The thing isit worked great!  It fit me (in
> terms of the contact points being in the right place, if not fitting the
> frame well) and I rode many comfortable miles like that.  I also had an old
> bastardized low-end schwinn road bike with slack angles that I made even
> slacker by using a long touring fork, and built up as a townie fixed gear.
> That was totally weird but again, was one of the nicest riding bikes I've
> ever owned, so much so that I regret selling it and am looking around for
> one of those frames so I can try it again*.
>
> I think that this whole "bastardization" thing is basically a normative
> response built into the culture of cycling, perhaps supporting successive
> bike purchases until you find the "one" (as if that's possible) that meets
> your particular aesthetic and fit ideas.  And by all means, if you have the
> resources to do so, finding the "one" can be a rewarding experience, as
> many on here have shown.  But my point is thisif your resources are
> limited such that modification makes more financial sense than buying a new
> frame or bike, don't be afraid to try out-of-the-box things with a bike you
> already own, even if you feel it goes against some "rules" of aesthetics or
> bike design.  If nothing else, experimenting with a current bike can tell
> you what to look for in your next bike.
>
> And remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  While the
> Atlantis in CJ's picture might have been the "height" of bastardization for
> him, to me it looks really nicely proportioned.  Maybe that's because I've
> spent a lot of time pouring over pictures of old drop bar 26" MTB's, and
> that Atlantis seems to have similar lines.
>
> Another thing...I bet the "bent shafted seatpost" in question was a
> Thomson, which many people complain about being weird for having "so much
> setback," when in truth the setback Thomson only has about 16mm of setback,
> less than many "normal" setback seatposts which are usually in the 20-25mm
> range, including the popular nittos and the so ubiquitous as to be
> unnoticeable kalloy laprade.  I bet the LBS owner in question wouldn't have
> batted an eye if the bike had come in with a seatpost like this 
> one,
> which at 32.5mm of setback has twice that of the Thomson.  So really, it's
> just that a lot of people are put off by the aesthetics of the Thomson.  I
> love 'em.  Great clamp hardware.
>
> *Anybody ha

[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[ascpgh]

I'm at an inventory-controlled one right now: my 2001 orange Rambouillet.

I'm probably exceeding the envelope of it's conception and due to add 
something of much wider tire livery and grace under load (and hub generated 
light, and braze-ons everywhere etc.). I just have to rationalize well 
enough with the warehouse manager. 

>From a heritage perspective I have my RBW chops from my Bridgestone models; 
'91 MB-0, '93 RB-1, '93 XO-2. All live elsewhere with new owners but the XO 
is in a foster situation; my ownership, visiting and maintenance rights 
intact. Happier seeing fit use of it in sporadic commuting, shopping & 
leisure modes by friend than parked in my stable.

Sam/Homer? My commuting beast may have to go to justify. Not sure if I can 
do so abruptly and chump-rack a new rig every day.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:55:17 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> I'll start: 1

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RE: [RBW] Saddle bags hit backs of legs?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Patrick:

It's designed to flip/flap over and thus cover whatever you load into the bag.  
If you use it that way, in most cases you never need to snap the big covering 
flap shut - combo of the interior flap and the weight of the exterior flap is 
more than enough.  Which makes access a little easier and quicker.

Tom

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:28 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Saddle bags hit backs of legs?

I just rode 10 miles home with my Sackville med stuffed; I was surprised at how 
little contact it made compared to a Nelson or Camper.

I was disappointed in the several Bagmans -- Bagmen? -- that I used. They look 
nice but seemed too flimsy for much weight. Note that I've not used the newer 
model which, from the photo, is ugly and is complicated by struts running to 
the seat stays. If you are going to have struts, I say, make them rack struts.

I preferred the SQR, of which I also used several, but it also is limited to 22 
lb and, for me anyway, holds the bag too high and back. Its clamp screw will 
dig into your seatpost unless you put something between it and the post.

IMO, the Nitto Grip is best, if you have a Brooks saddle and for some reason 
don't want to use your Brooks's loops; add a minimal rack or sturdy fender if 
you lack clearance. IMO, the ideal, not-of-this-world setup would be a Flite 
with sturdy loops holding a large bag supported underneath by a custom platform 
integral with the fender. Just dreamin'. But with my 559 wheeled Riv, the 
Sackville M works fine sans bottom support.

FWIW, I was disappointed in the admittedly inexpensive seatpost clamped Velo 
Orange support -- flexed under a Nelson LF.

Lastly, a question: the Sackville Med has an interior flap attached at the 
bottom of the bag's mouth. Is this meant to cover the coroplast stiffener, or 
is it meant to flip over the load for additional security and protection before 
you close the lid? I use it both ways and both make sense, at least to my 
little mind. What's up wizzat?

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Lynne Fitz 
mailto:fitzb...@comcast.net>> wrote:
Bagman.

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Re: [RBW] Saddle bags hit backs of legs?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I just rode 10 miles home with my Sackville med stuffed; I was surprised at
how little contact it made compared to a Nelson or Camper.

I was disappointed in the several Bagmans -- Bagmen? -- that I used. They
look nice but seemed too flimsy for much weight. Note that I've not used
the newer model which, from the photo, is ugly and is complicated by struts
running to the seat stays. If you are going to have struts, I say, make
them rack struts.

I preferred the SQR, of which I also used several, but it also is limited
to 22 lb and, for me anyway, holds the bag too high and back. Its clamp
screw will dig into your seatpost unless you put something between it and
the post.

IMO, the Nitto Grip is best, if you have a Brooks saddle and for some
reason don't want to use your Brooks's loops; add a minimal rack or sturdy
fender if you lack clearance. IMO, the ideal, not-of-this-world setup would
be a Flite with sturdy loops holding a large bag supported underneath by a
custom platform integral with the fender. Just dreamin'. But with my 559
wheeled Riv, the Sackville M works fine sans bottom support.

FWIW, I was disappointed in the admittedly inexpensive seatpost clamped
Velo Orange support -- flexed under a Nelson LF.

Lastly, a question: the Sackville Med has an interior flap attached at the
bottom of the bag's mouth. Is this meant to cover the coroplast stiffener,
or is it meant to flip over the load for additional security and protection
before you close the lid? I use it both ways and both make sense, at least
to my little mind. What's up wizzat?

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[RBW] Saddle bags hit backs of legs?

[Lynne Fitz]

Bagman.

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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[Ron Mc]

I couldn't keep my B17 far enough forward on my LaPrade-offset seatpost 
when I switched to tall quill and moustache bars.  On long rides, my saddle 
would slide on the rails toward the rear as much as 3/4-inch (I'm the guy 
with gibbon-like arms they built all those Italian cars for - and long legs 
- relatively short body, all adding up to 6'3").  When I recently went to a 
Thomson zero-offset, it solved my problem - my perfect position is with the 
saddle all the way back in the Thomson.  

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 11:55:56 AM UTC-5, Matt Beebe wrote:
>
> Yeah a lot of people don't realize that there is zero offset between the 
> guts of the Thomson seatpost and the shaft.   The layback version of the 
> Thomson just gets you back into conventional 'laprade' style seatpost 
> territory in terms of setback.
>
>
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[RBW] FS: 91' RB-1...Green/Tusk

[EastBayGuy]

Howdy,

A recent purchase of a 62cm RB-1 and an upcoming Vacation, has led me to 
sell my beloved RB-1. I purchased this off a list member a few years ago 
and I have absolutely loved this frame.

*This is only for the FRAME and FORK and a few extras. Here is the list.*..

1991 RB-1 59cm
Green/Tusk Color Combo: Frame is in great shape. All the decals except for 
the "B" headbadge and one "1" in RB-1 are knicked. Everything else is 
pristine.

It comes with the following parts

Nitto Seatpost
Bottom Bracket
FSA Headset
Nitto B-115 Handlebars Wrapped in Lime Green Cloth Tape)
Tektro Levers
Nitto Red Bar ends Plugs
Ultegra Rear derailer

Local pickUp in the Bay Area.

Contact me for pictures...

$450 

Cheers!

Dustin Goodwin
Walnut Creek Ca

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RE: [RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[Marc Schwartz]

BASTARDS RULE!

Marc (Lazy Bastard) Schwartz
LC, NM

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of Jeremy Till [jeremy.t...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 10:29 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

Well, if there is such a thing as geometric bastardization, I'm guilty of 
multiple counts.  Probably the worst is my Trek 520, which I bought long before 
I knew much of anything about geometry, fit, etc.  To make matters worse, I was 
in love with flared drop bars like the On-One Midge, which needed to get up 
high to be comfortable, and I had long ago cut the fork way short.  This was 
the 
result, 
pictured on a Riv ride a few years ago.  Midge bars, hi-rise stem on steerer 
tube extender.  The thing isit worked great!  It fit me (in terms of the 
contact points being in the right place, if not fitting the frame well) and I 
rode many comfortable miles like that.  I also had an old bastardized low-end 
schwinn road bike with slack angles that I made even slacker by using a long 
touring fork, and built up as a townie fixed gear.  That was totally weird but 
again, was one of the nicest riding bikes I've ever owned, so much so that I 
regret selling it and am looking around for one of those frames so I can try it 
again*.

I think that this whole "bastardization" thing is basically a normative 
response built into the culture of cycling, perhaps supporting successive bike 
purchases until you find the "one" (as if that's possible) that meets your 
particular aesthetic and fit ideas.  And by all means, if you have the 
resources to do so, finding the "one" can be a rewarding experience, as many on 
here have shown.  But my point is thisif your resources are limited such 
that modification makes more financial sense than buying a new frame or bike, 
don't be afraid to try out-of-the-box things with a bike you already own, even 
if you feel it goes against some "rules" of aesthetics or bike design.  If 
nothing else, experimenting with a current bike can tell you what to look for 
in your next bike.

And remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  While the Atlantis in 
CJ's picture might have been the "height" of bastardization for him, to me it 
looks really nicely proportioned.  Maybe that's because I've spent a lot of 
time pouring over pictures of old drop bar 26" MTB's, and that Atlantis seems 
to have similar lines.

Another thing...I bet the "bent shafted seatpost" in question was a Thomson, 
which many people complain about being weird for having "so much setback," when 
in truth the setback Thomson only has about 16mm of setback, less than many 
"normal" setback seatposts which are usually in the 20-25mm range, including 
the popular nittos and the so ubiquitous as to be unnoticeable kalloy laprade.  
I bet the LBS owner in question wouldn't have batted an eye if the bike had 
come in with a seatpost like this 
one,
 which at 32.5mm of setback has twice that of the Thomson.  So really, it's 
just that a lot of people are put off by the aesthetics of the Thomson.  I love 
'em.  Great clamp hardware.

*Anybody have a 1989 or 1990 Schwinn World Sport in the 25"/62cm size?

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:08:13 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
I was in an LBS (now defunct), and the owner pointed out how a traded in road 
bike/fit had been "bastardized" by the previous owner by using a bent shafted 
seatpost for more setback.
The owner was pointing out how the bike was too small a size for the customer, 
and the bike owner had to resort to this.

I have been wondering. Is there really such a thing as "bastardising" a 
bike/fit to get yourself where you are comfy on a bike?

I don't design bikes, so the only two of things I could imagine you could do on 
a bike that might be considered to have "bastardising", negative effects might 
be:

1. "Geometric Bastardization" - Altering the intended geometry of a bike? Would 
it throw off the benefits of what the rest of that frame's geometry was 
intended for, resulting in a worse ride quality? Like using high flat bars on a 
modern time trial bike, or something to that effect.

2. "Aesthetic Bastardization" - might be if you put, say, a one-piece, full 
carbon drop bar/stem assembly on a cruiser bike?

Other than that, I cannot see how improving comfort would be bastardizing 
anything. Of course, getting the right frame size from the beginning would 
eliminate the need to go to extremes for people.

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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[Matt Beebe]

Yeah a lot of people don't realize that there is zero offset between the 
guts of the Thomson seatpost and the shaft.   The layback version of the 
Thomson just gets you back into conventional 'laprade' style seatpost 
territory in terms of setback.



On Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:29:45 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Well, if there is such a thing as geometric bastardization, I'm guilty of 
> multiple counts.  Probably the worst is my Trek 520, which I bought long 
> before I knew much of anything about geometry, fit, etc.  To make matters 
> worse, I was in love with flared drop bars like the On-One Midge, which 
> needed to get up high to be comfortable, and I had long ago cut the fork 
> way short.  This was the 
> result,
>  
> pictured on a Riv ride a few years ago.  Midge bars, hi-rise stem on 
> steerer tube extender.  The thing isit worked great!  It fit me (in 
> terms of the contact points being in the right place, if not fitting the 
> frame well) and I rode many comfortable miles like that.  I also had an old 
> bastardized low-end schwinn road bike with slack angles that I made even 
> slacker by using a long touring fork, and built up as a townie fixed gear.  
> That was totally weird but again, was one of the nicest riding bikes I've 
> ever owned, so much so that I regret selling it and am looking around for 
> one of those frames so I can try it again*.  
>
> I think that this whole "bastardization" thing is basically a normative 
> response built into the culture of cycling, perhaps supporting successive 
> bike purchases until you find the "one" (as if that's possible) that meets 
> your particular aesthetic and fit ideas.  And by all means, if you have the 
> resources to do so, finding the "one" can be a rewarding experience, as 
> many on here have shown.  But my point is thisif your resources are 
> limited such that modification makes more financial sense than buying a new 
> frame or bike, don't be afraid to try out-of-the-box things with a bike you 
> already own, even if you feel it goes against some "rules" of aesthetics or 
> bike design.  If nothing else, experimenting with a current bike can tell 
> you what to look for in your next bike.  
>
> And remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  While the 
> Atlantis in CJ's picture might have been the "height" of bastardization for 
> him, to me it looks really nicely proportioned.  Maybe that's because I've 
> spent a lot of time pouring over pictures of old drop bar 26" MTB's, and 
> that Atlantis seems to have similar lines.  
>
> Another thing...I bet the "bent shafted seatpost" in question was a 
> Thomson, which many people complain about being weird for having "so much 
> setback," when in truth the setback Thomson only has about 16mm of setback, 
> less than many "normal" setback seatposts which are usually in the 20-25mm 
> range, including the popular nittos and the so ubiquitous as to be 
> unnoticeable kalloy laprade.  I bet the LBS owner in question wouldn't have 
> batted an eye if the bike had come in with a seatpost like this 
> one,
>  
> which at 32.5mm of setback has twice that of the Thomson.  So really, it's 
> just that a lot of people are put off by the aesthetics of the Thomson.  I 
> love 'em.  Great clamp hardware.
>
> *Anybody have a 1989 or 1990 Schwinn World Sport in the 25"/62cm size?
>
> On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:08:13 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>>
>> I was in an LBS (now defunct), and the owner pointed out how a traded in 
>> road bike/fit had been "bastardized" by the previous owner by using a bent 
>> shafted seatpost for more setback.
>> The owner was pointing out how the bike was too small a size for the 
>> customer, and the bike owner had to resort to this.
>>  
>> I have been wondering. *Is there really such a thing as "bastardising" a 
>> bike/fit* to get yourself where you are comfy on a bike?
>>  
>> I don't design bikes, so the only two of things I could imagine you could 
>> do on a bike that might be considered to have "bastardising", negative 
>> effects might be:
>>  
>> 1. "Geometric Bastardization" - Altering the intended geometry of a bike? 
>> Would it throw off the benefits of what the rest of that frame's geometry 
>> was intended for, resulting in a worse ride quality? Like using high flat 
>> bars on a modern time trial bike, or something to that effect.
>>  
>> 2. "Aesthetic Bastardization" - might be if you put, say, a 
>> one-piece, full carbon drop bar/stem assembly on a cruiser bike?
>>  
>> Other than that, I cannot see how improving comfort would be bastardizing 
>> anything. Of course, getting the right frame size from the beginning would 
>> eliminate the need to go to extremes for people.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[Jim Mather]

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> *Anybody have a 1989 or 1990 Schwinn World Sport in the 25"/62cm size?
>
> There are a couple of big ones on Ebay but I don't know what year they are.

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Re: [RBW] Riv Bombadil... Ultimate Hurricane Bike??

[Montclair BobbyB]

For real... If you've got, em, ride em. The gas situation is worse than I 
recall the 1974 "gas crisis" being... I counted 50 cars in line at each of 
2 gas stations this morning. I'm getting barraged with emails and phone 
calls from friends and family asking "are there any gas stations with 
reasonably short lines open by you?"  Some people reportedly have been 
waiting as long as 4 hours for gas!!!  I rode my bike to dinner last night, 
and I plan to leave my car in my driveway as much as possible.

I hope this situation improves, or I fear people will begin eating each 
other. 

Peace,
BB

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:26:47 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:
>
> With the subway down for maybe a week might be doing some urban 
> adventuring on the Bombadil to get into work. I have never commuted cross 
> Borough so will have to map out a route carefully. I have an awful sense of 
> direction so wish me luck! 
> On Oct 30, 2012 6:31 PM, "dougP" > wrote:
>
>> Sounds like your snow biking credentials are genuine.  I was in Ironwood, 
>> MI, near the WI border, on April 1 many years ago & have never seen so much 
>> snow in my life.  They said it was spring because they had half the roads 
>> in town open.  
>>
>> dougP (NOT a winter guy at all)
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:46:30 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
>> Cyclery wrote:
>>>
>>> Brian formerly of MN makes some salient points about the apocalyptic 
>>> weather hereabouts. I rode an Atlantis as my main/only bike for several 
>>> years in Minnesota, so it stands to reason that a suitably equipped 
>>> Bombadil should be fit for occasional duty in hurricane conditions.
>>>
>>> In case my "Yoopanese" heritage isn't obvious, I grew up in Upper 
>>> Michigan, which is justifiably noteworthy for long hard winters and rugged 
>>> desolation, and where the "gales of November" were immortalized in a well 
>>> known song. I have funny memories of my Grandfather sitting by the wood 
>>> stove in his easy chair watching the daily horrors on the evening news. If 
>>> some tropical place endured a hurricane or California got shook up by an 
>>> earthquake, he'd say "we got it pretty goddamned good here", seemingly 
>>> oblivious to the hardship of the 10 feet of snow falling outside the 
>>> window, the preceding summer of hard labor in laying in enough firewood to 
>>> survive the winter, or the often impassable 60 miles of 2-lane highway 
>>> between his house and the nearest grocery store (grocery trips usually 
>>> required a week of planning...)
>>>
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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[Jeremy Till]

Well, if there is such a thing as geometric bastardization, I'm guilty of 
multiple counts.  Probably the worst is my Trek 520, which I bought long 
before I knew much of anything about geometry, fit, etc.  To make matters 
worse, I was in love with flared drop bars like the On-One Midge, which 
needed to get up high to be comfortable, and I had long ago cut the fork 
way short.  This was the 
result, 
pictured on a Riv ride a few years ago.  Midge bars, hi-rise stem on 
steerer tube extender.  The thing isit worked great!  It fit me (in 
terms of the contact points being in the right place, if not fitting the 
frame well) and I rode many comfortable miles like that.  I also had an old 
bastardized low-end schwinn road bike with slack angles that I made even 
slacker by using a long touring fork, and built up as a townie fixed gear.  
That was totally weird but again, was one of the nicest riding bikes I've 
ever owned, so much so that I regret selling it and am looking around for 
one of those frames so I can try it again*.  

I think that this whole "bastardization" thing is basically a normative 
response built into the culture of cycling, perhaps supporting successive 
bike purchases until you find the "one" (as if that's possible) that meets 
your particular aesthetic and fit ideas.  And by all means, if you have the 
resources to do so, finding the "one" can be a rewarding experience, as 
many on here have shown.  But my point is thisif your resources are 
limited such that modification makes more financial sense than buying a new 
frame or bike, don't be afraid to try out-of-the-box things with a bike you 
already own, even if you feel it goes against some "rules" of aesthetics or 
bike design.  If nothing else, experimenting with a current bike can tell 
you what to look for in your next bike.  

And remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  While the Atlantis 
in CJ's picture might have been the "height" of bastardization for him, to 
me it looks really nicely proportioned.  Maybe that's because I've spent a 
lot of time pouring over pictures of old drop bar 26" MTB's, and that 
Atlantis seems to have similar lines.  

Another thing...I bet the "bent shafted seatpost" in question was a 
Thomson, which many people complain about being weird for having "so much 
setback," when in truth the setback Thomson only has about 16mm of setback, 
less than many "normal" setback seatposts which are usually in the 20-25mm 
range, including the popular nittos and the so ubiquitous as to be 
unnoticeable kalloy laprade.  I bet the LBS owner in question wouldn't have 
batted an eye if the bike had come in with a seatpost like this 
one,
 
which at 32.5mm of setback has twice that of the Thomson.  So really, it's 
just that a lot of people are put off by the aesthetics of the Thomson.  I 
love 'em.  Great clamp hardware.

*Anybody have a 1989 or 1990 Schwinn World Sport in the 25"/62cm size?

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:08:13 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> I was in an LBS (now defunct), and the owner pointed out how a traded in 
> road bike/fit had been "bastardized" by the previous owner by using a bent 
> shafted seatpost for more setback.
> The owner was pointing out how the bike was too small a size for the 
> customer, and the bike owner had to resort to this.
>  
> I have been wondering. *Is there really such a thing as "bastardising" a 
> bike/fit* to get yourself where you are comfy on a bike?
>  
> I don't design bikes, so the only two of things I could imagine you could 
> do on a bike that might be considered to have "bastardising", negative 
> effects might be:
>  
> 1. "Geometric Bastardization" - Altering the intended geometry of a bike? 
> Would it throw off the benefits of what the rest of that frame's geometry 
> was intended for, resulting in a worse ride quality? Like using high flat 
> bars on a modern time trial bike, or something to that effect.
>  
> 2. "Aesthetic Bastardization" - might be if you put, say, a 
> one-piece, full carbon drop bar/stem assembly on a cruiser bike?
>  
> Other than that, I cannot see how improving comfort would be bastardizing 
> anything. Of course, getting the right frame size from the beginning would 
> eliminate the need to go to extremes for people.
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Old school MTB rubber

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Could be the Bruce Gordon Rock 'n' Road tires - great tires.  Here: 
http://brucegordoncycles.bigcartel.com/product/rock-n-road-all-terrain-700c-tire
 and mounted here: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8027102244/in/set-72157630957672582/



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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Schiller
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:56 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Old school MTB rubber

was it these?  http://chargebikes.com/products/splashback-tyres/

~mike

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:44:28 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
Somewhat OT: I vaguely recall seeing somebody recently promoting some vintage 
MTB tire reproductions. These were gumwall knobbies that looked like they were 
from the 80s. I can't recall the name or where I saw this, but I need some. 
Anybody know anything? Thanks!
Jim
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Re: [RBW] How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Seth Vidal]

a 58cm atlantis  - now sold to another
a 61cm romulus
a 61cm ahh

I'd love to add a rivendell tandem to the list but... alas...
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Re: [RBW] How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[Anne Paulson]

Five for me, counting my son's bike.

A Romulus, now traded away.
My precious purple Atlantis.
A sage green Atlantis that I got by trading the Romulus.
My racing green Roadeo that my husband got for my birthday.
My son's very big apple green Rambouillet.


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[RBW] Re: How many Rivendell bicycles have you owned?

[thalasin]

Just one Riv so far.  58cm Rambouillet, one of the early ones in orange.  I 
love, love, love the bike but it's almost too pretty to ride.  I am trying 
to remedy that.
 
I dream of an Atlantis, AHH and Hunq.  One day when finances allow...

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[RBW] Re: 105 hub adjustment

[Michael Hechmer]

That's what I did.  But I'll give it a second shot.  I'm about to leave for 
the bay area to see a new grandchild, so it wont happen soon.  And since i 
was planning on studded tires for this over the winter it may be awhile 
till I know if it works.  I'll post the answer.

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:05:42 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> The loose cone is likely the one inside the freehub. Loosen the non-drive 
> side cone, then snug down the drive side cone, then adjust the non-drive 
> cone to suit your tastes.
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:05:42 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> This is the original rear hub from my Ram, purchased in the fall of '04, 
>> so not new.  Last week I noticed a fair amount of play in the hub, so 
>> adjusted it (I have found Shimano hubs somewhat harder to adj than my old 
>> campys a number of which are 25 + years old and still rolling).  After a 
>> single ride of about 35 miles I check the hub and found it loose again.  I 
>> haven't pulled it completely apart to inspect, but this is a new experience 
>> for me.  Any thoughts?
>>
>> Michael
>> Westford, Vt 
>>
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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[Ron Mc]

ha - it's a conspiracy

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:28:53 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> A setback seatpost is hardly "extreme", but among roadie (faux racer) 
> purists like this defunct LBS owner, any change to the stock part spec had 
> better have a purported speed/efficiency benefit, or what's the point? I 
> recently posted a pic of a 2TT Hillborne on facebook. One of my racer-boy 
> buddies asked "two top tubes? what's the point of that?" He can't conceive 
> of a bike design that deliberately makes the bike heavier, so he secretly 
> wondered if there was some secret he was missing.

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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

A setback seatpost is hardly "extreme", but among roadie (faux racer) 
purists like this defunct LBS owner, any change to the stock part spec had 
better have a purported speed/efficiency benefit, or what's the point? I 
recently posted a pic of a 2TT Hillborne on facebook. One of my racer-boy 
buddies asked "two top tubes? what's the point of that?" He can't conceive 
of a bike design that deliberately makes the bike heavier, so he secretly 
wondered if there was some secret he was missing.

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:08:13 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> I was in an LBS (now defunct), and the owner pointed out how a traded in 
> road bike/fit had been "bastardized" by the previous owner by using a bent 
> shafted seatpost for more setback.
> The owner was pointing out how the bike was too small a size for the 
> customer, and the bike owner had to resort to this.
>  
> I have been wondering. *Is there really such a thing as "bastardising" a 
> bike/fit* to get yourself where you are comfy on a bike?
>  
> I don't design bikes, so the only two of things I could imagine you could 
> do on a bike that might be considered to have "bastardising", negative 
> effects might be:
>  
> 1. "Geometric Bastardization" - Altering the intended geometry of a bike? 
> Would it throw off the benefits of what the rest of that frame's geometry 
> was intended for, resulting in a worse ride quality? Like using high flat 
> bars on a modern time trial bike, or something to that effect.
>  
> 2. "Aesthetic Bastardization" - might be if you put, say, a 
> one-piece, full carbon drop bar/stem assembly on a cruiser bike?
>  
> Other than that, I cannot see how improving comfort would be bastardizing 
> anything. Of course, getting the right frame size from the beginning would 
> eliminate the need to go to extremes for people.
>

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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[C.J. Filip]

I bastardized my first Riv, a 56cm Atlantis with a Thomson setback
seatpost.  Turns out the Nitto seatpost originally on there had
more setback to begin with, but I was at the min insertion with
the Nitto.

When I initially measured my PBH, there was some of kind bias
because I had already found a bike for sale.  I wanted my PBH to be
85cm, the maximum prescribed measurement for a 56 Atlantis.  When the
bike arrived (used, third owner) I even set the saddle height to
74.5, again per the measurement prescription.  The seat was not even
pushed back all the way in the rails.  The bike fit and rode
wonderfully. And then something happened.

After about 4 months of riding the bike, the bastardization began. 
During every ride, the seat would get a little higher, the
saddle would get pushed back a little further, the stem a little
higher.  Swapping out pedals for lower profile ones to get saddle
height back down.  Wanting longer stems and Noodle bars (over Dream)
for a further reach.  Adding the Thomson post from the parts bin for
greater height.  Putting on 50mm tires and wondering for 55s might fit
to make the bike feel and ride higher.  The height of
bastardization: http://www.flickr.com/photos/69091655@N08/7174996127/.
 I wasn't happy with how it looked anymore and rode it less, forcing
myself to believe it was all wrong, too small and just move on.

I traded for a 59cm Hilsen frame.  While tearing the Atlantis down,
I put the saddle height and stem to aesthetically pleasing positions.
 I would need to be well on the small side of prescribed fit to get
the bike looking right in my mind.

The Atlantis is now being loved by another list member far
less fickle than I.  The Hilsen fit is darn near perfect and the
honeymoon is well over having ridden it several hundred miles this
summer.  The need for geometric and aesthetic bastardization would
have been abated if my initial PBH measurements were correct and I
waited for a bigger bike to come along.

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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[Ron Mc]

I think every modern "tech" bike looks bastardized for fit - roadie, 
mountain.  It looks like they're making undersized frames on purpose and 
slapping 400 mm seatposts on every one

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:08:13 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> I was in an LBS (now defunct), and the owner pointed out how a traded in 
> road bike/fit had been "bastardized" by the previous owner by using a bent 
> shafted seatpost for more setback.
> The owner was pointing out how the bike was too small a size for the 
> customer, and the bike owner had to resort to this.
>  
> I have been wondering. *Is there really such a thing as "bastardising" a 
> bike/fit* to get yourself where you are comfy on a bike?
>  
> I don't design bikes, so the only two of things I could imagine you could 
> do on a bike that might be considered to have "bastardising", negative 
> effects might be:
>  
> 1. "Geometric Bastardization" - Altering the intended geometry of a bike? 
> Would it throw off the benefits of what the rest of that frame's geometry 
> was intended for, resulting in a worse ride quality? Like using high flat 
> bars on a modern time trial bike, or something to that effect.
>  
> 2. "Aesthetic Bastardization" - might be if you put, say, a 
> one-piece, full carbon drop bar/stem assembly on a cruiser bike?
>  
> Other than that, I cannot see how improving comfort would be bastardizing 
> anything. Of course, getting the right frame size from the beginning would 
> eliminate the need to go to extremes for people.
>

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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[C.J. Filip]

I bastardized my first Riv, a 56cm Atlantis with a Thomson setback
seatpost.  Turns out the Nitto seatpost originally on there had more
setback to begin with, but I was at the min insertion with the
Nitto.
When I initially measured my PBH, there was some of kind bias because
I had already found a bike for sale.  I wanted my PBH to be 85cm, the
maximum prescribed measurement for a 56 Atlantis.  When the bike
arrived (used, third owner) I even set the saddle height to 74.5,
again per the measurement prescription.  The seat was not even pushed
back all the way in the rails.  The bike fit and rode wonderfully.
And then something happened.
After about 4 months of riding the bike, the bastardization began.
During every ride, the seat would get a little higher, the saddle
would get pushed back a little further, the stem a little higher.
Swapping out pedals for lower profile ones to get saddle height back
down.  Wanting longer stems and Noodle bars (over Dream) for a
further
reach.  Adding the Thomson post from the parts bin for greater
height.  Putting on 50mm tires and wondering for 55s might fit to
make
the bike feel and ride higher.  The height of bastardization:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/69091655@N08/7174996127/.  I wasn't
happy
with how it looked anymore and rode it less, forcing myself to
believe
it was all wrong, too small and just move on.
I traded for a 59cm Hilsen frame.  While tearing the Atlantis down I
put the
saddle height and stem to aesthetically pleasing positions.  I would
need to be well on the small side of prescribed fit to get the bike
looking right in my mind.
The Atlantis is now being loved by another list member far less
fickle
than I.  The Hilsen fit is darn near perfect and the honeymoon is
well
over having ridden it several hundred miles this summer.  The need
for
geometric and aesthetic bastardization would have been abated if my
initial PBH measurements were correct and I waited for a bigger bike
to come along for sale.

On Oct 31, 10:08 pm, Michael  wrote:
> I was in an LBS (now defunct), and the owner pointed out how a traded in
> road bike/fit had been "bastardized" by the previous owner by using a bent
> shafted seatpost for more setback.
> The owner was pointing out how the bike was too small a size for the
> customer, and the bike owner had to resort to this.
>
> I have been wondering. *Is there really such a thing as "bastardising" a
> bike/fit* to get yourself where you are comfy on a bike?
>
> I don't design bikes, so the only two of things I could imagine you could
> do on a bike that might be considered to have "bastardising", negative
> effects might be:
>
> 1. "Geometric Bastardization" - Altering the intended geometry of a bike?
> Would it throw off the benefits of what the rest of that frame's geometry
> was intended for, resulting in a worse ride quality? Like using high flat
> bars on a modern time trial bike, or something to that effect.
>
> 2. "Aesthetic Bastardization" - might be if you put, say, a one-piece, full
> carbon drop bar/stem assembly on a cruiser bike?
>
> Other than that, I cannot see how improving comfort would be bastardizing
> anything. Of course, getting the right frame size from the beginning would
> eliminate the need to go to extremes for people.

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[RBW] Re: "Bastardizing" a bike and its fit - idea of. A discussion.

[C.J. Filip]

I bastardized my first Riv, a 56cm Atlantis with a Thomson setback
seatpost.  Turns out the Nitto seatpost originally on there had more
setback to begin with, but I was at the min insertion with the
Nitto.

When I initially measured my PBH, there was some of kind bias because
I had already found a bike for sale.  I wanted my PBH to be 85cm, the
maximum prescribed measurement for a 56 Atlantis.  When the bike
arrived (used, third owner) I even set the saddle height to 74.5,
again per the measurement prescription.  The seat was not even pushed
back all the way in the rails.  The bike fit and rode wonderfully.
And then something happened.

After about 4 months of riding the bike, the bastardization began.
During every ride, the seat would get a little higher, the saddle
would get pushed back a little further, the stem a little higher.
Swapping out pedals for lower profile ones to get saddle height back
down.  Wanting longer stems and Noodle bars (over Dream) for a further
reach.  Adding the Thomson post from the parts bin for greater
height.  Putting on 50mm tires and wondering for 55s might fit to make
the bike feel and ride higher.  The height of bastardization:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/69091655@N08/7174996127/.  I wasn't happy
with how it looked anymore and rode it less, forcing myself to believe
it was all wrong, too small and just move on.

I traded for a 59cm Hilsen frame.  While tearing it down I put the
saddle height and stem to aesthetically pleasing positions.  I would
need to be well on the small side of prescribed fit to get the bike
looking right in my mind.

The Atlantis is now being loved by another list member far less fickle
than I.  The Hilsen fit is darn near perfect and the honeymoon is well
over having ridden it several hundred miles this summer.  The need for
geometric and aesthetic bastardization would have been abated if my
initial PBH measurements were correct and I waited for a bigger bike
to come along for sale.

On Oct 31, 10:08 pm, Michael  wrote:
> I was in an LBS (now defunct), and the owner pointed out how a traded in
> road bike/fit had been "bastardized" by the previous owner by using a bent
> shafted seatpost for more setback.
> The owner was pointing out how the bike was too small a size for the
> customer, and the bike owner had to resort to this.
>
> I have been wondering. *Is there really such a thing as "bastardising" a
> bike/fit* to get yourself where you are comfy on a bike?
>
> I don't design bikes, so the only two of things I could imagine you could
> do on a bike that might be considered to have "bastardising", negative
> effects might be:
>
> 1. "Geometric Bastardization" - Altering the intended geometry of a bike?
> Would it throw off the benefits of what the rest of that frame's geometry
> was intended for, resulting in a worse ride quality? Like using high flat
> bars on a modern time trial bike, or something to that effect.
>
> 2. "Aesthetic Bastardization" - might be if you put, say, a one-piece, full
> carbon drop bar/stem assembly on a cruiser bike?
>
> Other than that, I cannot see how improving comfort would be bastardizing
> anything. Of course, getting the right frame size from the beginning would
> eliminate the need to go to extremes for people.

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RE: [RBW] FS: '94 Bstone MB-1, cool period upgrades

[Marc Schwartz]

Hi, Joe
I would very much like to see some photos of this gem. When convenient, my 
email is
mschw...@nmsu.edu
Congratulations on the proto- "La Bamba" (works with "Blerito")
Thanks mucho,
Marc

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
behalf of Joe Bernard [joerem...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:50 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] FS: '94 Bstone MB-1, cool period upgrades

Yeah I know, it's not a Riv, but it's sale will finance a Riv (Proto Bomba), so 
there ya go. Pics on request 'cause sending them from my Android is as far as 
I've gotten with this newfangled digital thing you kids are so crazy about.

48cm, reasonably scratched, but no dents/dings/gouges.
Bi-plane fork.
Several stem/flatbar/riserbar combos to choose from depending on height/reach 
needs.
All components in very good condition..I would say they were added after the 
frame had been banged around a bit:

8-speed 2nd generation grayish-blue Shimano XTR derailers and brake/shifters.
Very nice Specialized cranks, 172.5.
White Industries titanium BB, very cool, unobtanium, spins beautifully.
1st generation Shimano XT V-brakes with parallel push. Salmon pads.
WTB Grease Guard hubs, XTR cassette. Can't remember rims..I'll have a look when 
I get home Friday.
Ritchey "WCS" ti skewers with some weird bottle-opener-type ends that try to 
destroy your hands. But..ti!
Bontrager "carbon" seatpost (I think it's actually carbon-wrapped, 'cause I 
have no idea why).
It came to me with a weird "downhill" saddle. I have an unused VO leather 
saddle for 40 bucks more if you want it.
No pedals.
$600 plus professionally packed/shipped, or pick up in SF Bay Area.
Text 415-786-4623

PS. I also have an immaculate Marin polished aluminum MTB rigid from that era. 
Indian Fire Trail. More off topic so I won't get into it here. $300 plus.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.



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