Re: [RBW] Velocity quality

[Toshi Takeuchi]

There have been some bad batches of Velocity rims.  I bet if you
contacted Velocity, they would replace the rim free of charge, but you
would have to build up the wheels.  All of my Velocity rims have been
good so far.  I hope it stays that way.

I built my first Mavic CXP wheel.  It looks like a rim without
eyelets, but they are hidden, so I imagine they would be stronger than
say Velocity Aeroheads (which I also have). I like it a lot so far

Good luck,
Toshi

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[RBW] Velocity quality

[Tim]

Ok so I've had the Homer for 2 years and am about to get my third rear wheel. 
Here's my story: Peter White built the bike and wheels. Velocity Synergy with 
XT hubs and 36 spokes.I hit a pothole pretty good fairly early in the bikes 
life. LBS said rim couldn't be tried so they built up another Synergy with my 
hub. Fast forward to now. That wheel has maybe 5-7k miles on it and has stress 
cracks all over it. They started around the spokes and spread to the sides. So 
time for another. I'm working in CT now and found a LBS that knows what a Riv 
is. Owner builds the wheels. Well, he says that Synergy rims (and Velocity in 
general) are just not that good. I've heard the same thing out of a couple of 
other people too, and they k ow more about wheels than me. Thing is, I can't 
imagine why Riv and Peter would so highly recommend them if they're poor 
quality. But my experiences are making me wonder, what with 2 wheels in around 
10k miles. LBS guy is recommending a Mavic, I think one of the CXP styles 
saying they're much stronger. What should I do???

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[RBW] Re: Are A. Homer, Sam, Betty, and Ives real peeps?

[grant]

The A. Homer Hilsen was going to be the Honus Wagner until the heirs of 
Honus--through the law firm that represents the estates of Michael Jackson, 
Marilyn Monroe, Sammy Davis Jr., and Honus--and others---at the last minute 
before the signing of a deal which would have earned them $40 per bike 
sold--well, the got greedy, wanted more, wanted to be able to buy an 
unlimited number at our cost, basically got riduculous. So I said See You 
Fine Folks and then they backpedalled, but too late. We came up w ith a 
name that nobody owned, and it was AHH.

Betty Foy is the mom and hero in The Idiot Boy, a long poem by William 
Wordsworth. I liked the poem so much I memorized it (can't say it all now), 
and in that phase I named the bike. I kinda wish it were a genderless name, 
or maybe a boy's name, which women don't mind buying as much as guys mind 
Betty Foy. So we have Yves Gomez for that. YG was a mix of unlikely first 
and last names, but Dave her found an Yves Gomez in Europe. We  offered him 
a great deal on a frame (below cost), but no answer.
The wife of a customer, frame owner, is Elizabeth Foy. She's been by, but 
didn't bite on the bike named for her even at half off. Oh well.

My wife's now deceased sweet old aunt's last name was Hillborn without the 
E. I like the name Hillborne anyway, and Sam is a good strong name, and we 
went to names in the first place to sound less generic, less "Strada 
Excelsior" or whatever. Mount This, Excellerata, Le French Mtn

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:10:24 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> Are these real peeps, or just creative bike names?
>  
> A. Homer Hilsen
> Betty Foy
> Yves Gomez
> Samuel Hillborne
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Switching to Moustachios from drops?!?!

[charlie]

I'll be offering my mustache bar,dirt drop stem & brake lever combo for 
sale soon since I'm going the other way toward drop bars. Haven't figured 
on a price yet but the bar and stem are Nitto with old school Dia Compe 
levers black hoods plus taped and twined so...oh yea and cables.

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:56:06 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> Anyone made the switch?
>  
> Seems like on every drop bar bike I dun rid, I just always feel too 
> stretched out. Even with my 7cm shorty stem and flat ramps. Even knowing I 
> have the correct frame sizes and have the bar above saddle height now.
> On the tops, its always perfect. Hoods - feel too stretched out. 
> Hooks/drops - fuggettabowdit .5 mile at a time at best, and that takes 
> discipline.
>  
> I sit up at about 50 degrees when on the hoods.
>  
> So I was thinking of slapping a used moustache I have on the bike and 
> trying that.
> Maybe my 44 year old bones just don't like drops anymore.
> Maybe i am being too persnicketty and am looking for absolute comfort, 
> when there is no such thang on a bike?
>  
>  
> Thoughts? Anyone made the switch?
>  
> The good part is it'll cost me exactly 0$ and 0 cents to try it. I can use 
> the tape/levers/shifters from my current setup on the staches.
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Switching to Moustachios from drops?!?!

[dougP]

Michael:

The price is right.  Give it a try.  

I tried M'stache a while back but didn't care for them.  The front curve 
where the brake levers are typically mounted was too far away, and the back 
straight section made me turn my wrists at an awkward angle.  Others swear 
by them.  It's hard to predict about handlebars.  

As to persnicketiness, you should be reasonably comfortable, not feeling 
stretched or awkward.  As to "absolute comfort", well, it is a bike, not a 
barcalounger.  

dougP

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:56:06 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> Anyone made the switch?
>  
> Seems like on every drop bar bike I dun rid, I just always feel too 
> stretched out. Even with my 7cm shorty stem and flat ramps. Even knowing I 
> have the correct frame sizes and have the bar above saddle height now.
> On the tops, its always perfect. Hoods - feel too stretched out. 
> Hooks/drops - fuggettabowdit .5 mile at a time at best, and that takes 
> discipline.
>  
> I sit up at about 50 degrees when on the hoods.
>  
> So I was thinking of slapping a used moustache I have on the bike and 
> trying that.
> Maybe my 44 year old bones just don't like drops anymore.
> Maybe i am being too persnicketty and am looking for absolute comfort, 
> when there is no such thang on a bike?
>  
>  
> Thoughts? Anyone made the switch?
>  
> The good part is it'll cost me exactly 0$ and 0 cents to try it. I can use 
> the tape/levers/shifters from my current setup on the staches.
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Are A. Homer, Sam, Betty, and Ives real peeps?

[Michael]

Are these real peeps, or just creative bike names?
 
A. Homer Hilsen
Betty Foy
Yves Gomez
Samuel Hillborne
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Switching to Moustachios from drops?!?!

[cyclotourist]

You'll be slightly more upright, but not hugely so. You may like them more
with a shorter (1-2cm) stem. I point the ends down a bit, so the inner
bends are close to horizontal.

For zero outlay, give 'em a try!


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Michael  wrote:

>
> On Thursday, December 6, 2012 12:56:06 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Anyone made the switch?
>>
>> Seems like on every drop bar bike I dun rid, I just always feel too
>> stretched out. Even with my 7cm shorty stem and flat ramps. Even knowing I
>> have the correct frame sizes and have the bar above saddle height now.
>> On the tops, its always perfect. Hoods - feel too stretched out.
>> Hooks/drops - fuggettabowdit .5 mile at a time at best, and that takes
>> discipline.
>>
>> I sit up at about 50 degrees when on the hoods.
>>
>> So I was thinking of slapping a used moustache I have on the bike and
>> trying that.
>> Maybe my 44 year old bones just don't like drops anymore.
>> Maybe i am being too persnicketty and am looking for absolute comfort,
>> when there is no such thang on a bike?
>>
>>
>> Thoughts? Anyone made the switch?
>>
>> The good part is it'll cost me exactly 0$ and 0 cents to try it. I can
>> use the tape/levers/shifters from my current setup on the staches.
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Road salt and Rivendells

[Michael]

 
I am going to try commuting thru the winter. Not in snow/slush. Just on the 
dry days.
In the winter, there is a dusting of salt on the road after the snow melts 
away and the roads dry up around here.
*Will riding on dry roads with salt residue be bad for the frame/components?
*
I am hoping the longboards will minimize probs.

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Joe Bernard]

It looks like my favorite (and very weird) crank of all time, the Campy 
Record OR for mountain bikes from the early '90s. 
 
Joe Bernard

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:56:53 PM UTC-8, reynoldslugs wrote:

> I have the earlier version of this crankset, in 26-40.  It's a terrific 
> crank.  Pics here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629609638106/
>
> Max
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Switching to Moustachios from drops?!?!

[Michael]

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 12:56:06 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Anyone made the switch?
>  
> Seems like on every drop bar bike I dun rid, I just always feel too 
> stretched out. Even with my 7cm shorty stem and flat ramps. Even knowing I 
> have the correct frame sizes and have the bar above saddle height now.
> On the tops, its always perfect. Hoods - feel too stretched out. 
> Hooks/drops - fuggettabowdit .5 mile at a time at best, and that takes 
> discipline.
>  
> I sit up at about 50 degrees when on the hoods.
>  
> So I was thinking of slapping a used moustache I have on the bike and 
> trying that.
> Maybe my 44 year old bones just don't like drops anymore.
> Maybe i am being too persnicketty and am looking for absolute comfort, 
> when there is no such thang on a bike?
>  
>  
> Thoughts? Anyone made the switch?
>  
> The good part is it'll cost me exactly 0$ and 0 cents to try it. I can use 
> the tape/levers/shifters from my current setup on the staches.
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Switching to Moustachios from drops?!?!

[Michael]

>
> PS - will the staches help me sit more upright, or not?
>

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[RBW] Switching to Moustachios from drops?!?!

[Michael]

Anyone made the switch?
 
Seems like on every drop bar bike I dun rid, I just always feel too 
stretched out. Even with my 7cm shorty stem and flat ramps. Even knowing I 
have the correct frame sizes and have the bar above saddle height now.
On the tops, its always perfect. Hoods - feel too stretched out. 
Hooks/drops - fuggettabowdit .5 mile at a time at best, and that takes 
discipline.
 
I sit up at about 50 degrees when on the hoods.
 
So I was thinking of slapping a used moustache I have on the bike and 
trying that.
Maybe my 44 year old bones just don't like drops anymore.
Maybe i am being too persnicketty and am looking for absolute comfort, when 
there is no such thang on a bike?
 
 
Thoughts? Anyone made the switch?
 
The good part is it'll cost me exactly 0$ and 0 cents to try it. I can use 
the tape/levers/shifters from my current setup on the staches.
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[BSWP]

That would be a Mountain Fixte!

I'm looking at what I can justify, seeing if it will come to $300

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 11:57:47 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I'd do a version of that Mountain Fixie that was such a troublesome 
> truck. Basically a fixed gear fool-around-in-the-woods bike. Able to take 
> 60mm Big Apples and fenders, like a super-attractive version of my 
> industrial-ugly Gravel 
> Roadster.
>  Flared 
> drops. Threadless stem. Berthoud saddle, maybe? I like your mixte idea for 
> standover/bailoff clearance. 
>
> Maybe an Abele gray, black, or pea-sage green; something low-key for the 
> woods. "Pencil" blue, maybe.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[reynoldslugs]

I have the earlier version of this crankset, in 26-40.  It's a terrific crank.  
Pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157629609638106/

Max

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[RBW] Re: Homemade Accessories for Bikes

[Tony Lockhart]

Andy, Pammie, and Eric: Those are some awesome creations! Great job!





On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 11:53:08 AM UTC-8, EGNolan wrote:
>
> Andy-
>  
> Your bike, which I found on Google somehow, was the reason I did this  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericgnolan/8064314062/in/photostream ; much 
> more crude. If I had any sewing abilities I'd make a seat similar to yours, 
> but I found an old saddle works well.
>  
> -Eric
>  
>
> On Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:57:06 AM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
> wrote:
>
>> The little basket-mounted pouches are a cool idea. I've been thinking of 
>> making the same sort of thing but a little larger for the box on my 
>> Bakfiets. It's funny... the Bakfiets has got a cargo box big enough for an 
>> adult or 4 small children to ride in but I'm often at a loss for a good 
>> place to put small items like a camera or sunglasses.
>>
>> As far as stuff that's actually gone beyond an idea... 
>>
>> The kid seat  comes 
>> and goes but the leather mud flap is always on my Homer. The wife has an 
>> almost matching kid seat and mud 
>> flapon her Betty Foy
>>
>> I replaced the snaps on my Slickersack with turn 
>> buttonsso
>>  it'd be easier to go on/off with stuff in the bag. 
>>
>> This little 
>> dealgets
>>  the light out in front of my basket 'cause the beam from the handlebar 
>> mounted light was obscured when I had stuff in the basket
>>
>> I think my coolest homemade bike accessory is the double kid 
>> seatfor my Big Dummy. 
>> I love my Homer and have great adventures on my Riv, but 
>> the good (and bad) times I have sharing the bike with my kids are the stuff 
>> I'll smile about on my deathbed.  
>>
>> --Andy 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 22, 2012 11:05:20 AM UTC-8, Tony Lockhart wrote: 
>>>
>>> Hello all and Happy Thanksgiving! I just wanted to see if anyone else in 
>>> the Riv community enjoys making accessories for their bikes. If this is the 
>>> case, I'd love to see what innovative things you've made. In the meantime, 
>>> I'll post some images of things that I've made.
>>>
>>> During the past 2 years, I have been trying to perfect the rando bag but 
>>> ultimately have been displeased with its lack of sturdiness. I enjoy making 
>>> them, using them for a while, then gifting them to other cycling 
>>> friends--this is great because it constantly gives me the opportunity to 
>>> make new bags. While rando bags look great, I have yet to make one as 
>>> versatile as a Wald basket. And after many years of debate, I have decided 
>>> to stick with my Wald. With that in mind, I missed the tool pockets 
>>> typically found at the back of a rando bag. So, I recently decided to 
>>> create a couple of pouches to hang on the back side of my basket.
>>>
>>> Both pouches are 2 inches deep, 4 inches wide, and 5 inches high. There 
>>> is also an extra 3 inches of flap available if I try to over-stuff the 
>>> pouches. It was relatively easy to construct these little bags because 
>>> canvas is such a forgiving material to work with. I have plastic stiffeners 
>>> inside the bags (very similar to the ones in Acorn bags) and velcro 
>>> attachments to keep everything in place. While these dimensions may seem 
>>> small, I have all of my tools in the left pouch (inner tube, patch kit, 
>>> multi tool, a pair of CO2 cartridges, 3 tire levers, zip ties, and 4 Irish 
>>> straps). The pouch on the right is used to keep my cell phone, garage 
>>> clicker, and keys; there is quite a bit of space left for snacks, a saddle 
>>> cover, and a bandana. I'd love to see the folks at Riv create some 
>>> Sackville versions of these because they're extremely versatile.
>>>
>>> Have a look--I am attaching JPEG images to this post. Also, I'd love to 
>>> see any other accessories people make for their bikes.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Go fast bike: San Marcos?

[Tony Lockhart]

The build quality looks identical in both frames, however the paint job on 
the San Marcos is not as good as on the Hillborne. All of the lugs appear 
to be identical with the exception of the lower headtube lug on the 
SM---more windows and more decorative.




On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:21:06 AM UTC-8, redsydude wrote:
>
> I think those bikes are built by the same manufacturer in Taiwan so is the 
> quality control on the Sam Hillborne much better than on the SOMA?  
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:06:58 PM UTC-8, Tony Lockhart wrote: 
>>
>> Thanks Aaron! I agree, the front brake caliper in the photo is out of 
>> tolerance--this is my primary gripe about the San Marcos. My 54cm SM uses a 
>> standard (47-57) reach caliper up front and a long reach (55-73) caliper at 
>> the back. I'm not sure if this is a design flaw or an operator error. For 
>> what it's worth, these little issues are not heinous enough to deter me 
>> from liking the bike because it has excellent handling characteristics and 
>> is fun to ride.
>>
>> Incidentally, I am currently running the proper reach caliper up front 
>> because I had this nagging feeling that the long reach caliper would fail.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 3, 2012 10:29:33 PM UTC-8, Aaron Thomas wrote: 
>>>
>>> Tony, 
>>>
>>> Quick head's up on your brake reach issue. Looks like you're using the 
>>> wrong brake up front — and that's why the brake pads are high in the slots. 
>>> Only the 650B sizes of the San Marcos (i.e. 47, 51) use the long reach 
>>> Tektro 559 (55-73mm). The 700c sizes use standard reach brakes (47-57 mm). 
>>> That'd be the Tektro R539 . 
>>> Did you try putting a standard reach brake on the front?
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 2, 2012 11:42:46 AM UTC-8, Tony Lockhart wrote: 

 Ryan,
 I actually have both bikes and have some thoughts to share with you 
 regarding both. Perhaps some of my experiences can help with your decision 
 on which frame to purchase.

 I bought a Sam Hillborne a couple of years back and went through a 
 number of drivetrain and accessory changes. It's been my go fast, 
 commuting, townie, and cyclocross bike so I feel qualified in comparing 
 both bikes. My Sam has had a number of "personalities" in regards to set 
 up 
 and ride characteristics. I currently have it set up as a townie with 
 fenders, 32mm tires, drop bars, and a basket (*contemplating a dirt 
 drop stem and flat bars with cork grips*). I also have a San Marcos 
 set up as a commuter, club ride bike, and cyclocross bike. My San Marcos 
 has a mix of Shimano parts, 32mm tires, a Velo Orange rack, and drop bars. 
 *To answer your original question, the San Marcos is an excellent 
 choice for a go fast bike.*

 

 *San Marcos Criticism #1*

 I'm not sure if this is true for different sizes, but you'll need 
 standard reach brake calipers up front and long reach calipers in the rear 
 if you purchase a 54cm San Marcos. I am not sure if this is true of the 
 other sizes or with any other 54cm San Marcos frames. I am running Tektro 
 R559 brakes on this bike--the fit of the rear calipers is spot on however 
 long reach calipers up front don't seem to fit properly. Have a look at 
 the 
 attached photo and you'll see that the fork was not designed for long 
 reach 
 brakes. Conjecture says that this bike should use standard reach brakes 
 and 
 that the rear brake bridge on my bike was welded too far upwards, 
 necessitating longer reach brakes.


 

 *San Marcos Criticism #2*

 The dropouts on this bike suck compared to the ones on my Sam. As you 
 can see from the photos, the front dropouts originally come with lawyer 
 tabs--I quickly filed those off after acquiring the bike. The rear dropout 
 eyelets are welded too closely to the frame and cause interference when 
 trying to mount a rack or fenders. The welds get in the way and prevent 
 you 
 from mounting accessories in a flush manner. The second photo shows a 
 slight gap between the rack tab and the eyelets because the welds get in 
 the way. Moreover, the decorative part of the Soma dropouts interfere with 
 the quick-release hub skewer--this is not the case with my Sam.


 


 


 With all of that said, the San Marcos is an excellent bike and I am 
 very pleased with it. I have n

[RBW] Re: Saluki

[SeanMac]

Thank you for all of your help today.  I spent the day on jury duty, so I 
am a bit slow in sending thanks.

When I returned home I had my son help me to re-measure my PBH.  We ended 
up taking several measurements, typically getting a PBH between 86 - 87.  
Based on Riv's chart, his seems to put me at a 56 Sam, a 58-60 Saluki (or 
Bleriot) and 58-61 Homer.

I don't need a new bike any time soon, but it would be nice to take 
advantage of a deal.  However, since a new bike is a bike purchase, I want 
to make the best decision possible - even if that means not buying 
anything.  The problem, of course, is that one can never know for sure what 
deals will come by.  However, since I live in Buffalo, it is pretty 
unlikely that I will be outdoors on a bike any time soon.  I probably 
should hang tight and wait for a deal that I can't pass up.

Sorry for thinking out loud.  I do appreciate all or your help / advice.  
Someday I'll make up my mind!

Sean

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:51:52 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
>
> I have a 62cm Saluki and a 63cm AHH and my PBH is 89.5. Mine are set up 
> differently, but if I were to go down the like-to-like line on a 
> per-component basis, they would be very similar. I love them both, ride 
> them both almost equally, and I've done light touring on both. 
>
> I've also ridden each of them loaded with 5 days worth of clothing and 
> stuff to support an extended vacation / stay in PDX on the Seattle to 
> Portland ride in years past. I didn't weigh them, but would guess that with 
> two panniers and a Hoss pretty fully packed I probably had 45lbs. of jank 
> plus 165lbs of me on the bike. Both bikes worked fine at 100m/d, though I'd 
> say they were close to the limit.
>
> In any event, the Saluki is a great bike and would be well suited to the 
> riding you describe, though so would the Sam. Can't see how you could go 
> wrong either way.
>
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 5:35:26 AM UTC-8, SeanMac wrote:
>>
>> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that 
>> this bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat 
>> difficult time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a 
>> list member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me. 
>>
>>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short 
>> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some 
>> time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what 
>> a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it 
>> really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century 
>> ride bike?
>>
>> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
>>
>> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I 
>> simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to 
>> my height to choose the correct Saluki?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sean
>>
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Re: [RBW] RBW specials

[Crazy4Suki]

Looks like the Homer, tandem and Extracycle are gone already. Had my eye on the 
Extracycle, and am slightly relieved I don't need to find more garage space ;) 
Did you happen to get it, Manny?

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[RBW] Re: Orange Rambo on Chicago CL - $900

[Eric]

But I would be more than open to offering some of the components w/
the bike too.

On Dec 5, 8:08 pm, Eric  wrote:
> Ah but still a great price for a great frameset!
>
> Flickr updated w/ new photos of the frameset:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/62732254@N02/sets/72157632177997317/
>
> - Eric
>
> On Dec 5, 7:03 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ahhh, that clears it up. Wonderful looking bike!
>
> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Eric  wrote:
> > > That's frame, fork & headset, no components. Someone mentioned that my
> > > ad wasn't clear.
>
> > > Hope it goes to a good home!
>
> > > - Eric
>
> > > On Dec 5, 8:31 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > > That's really under priced... someone get it while the gettin's good!
>
> > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Marty  wrote:
> > > > > Looks very nice. Too small for me...
>
> > > > >http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bid/3455783244.html
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[RBW] Re: Orange Rambo on Chicago CL - $900

[Eric]

Ah but still a great price for a great frameset!

Flickr updated w/ new photos of the frameset:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/62732254@N02/sets/72157632177997317/

- Eric

On Dec 5, 7:03 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Ahhh, that clears it up. Wonderful looking bike!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Eric  wrote:
> > That's frame, fork & headset, no components. Someone mentioned that my
> > ad wasn't clear.
>
> > Hope it goes to a good home!
>
> > - Eric
>
> > On Dec 5, 8:31 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > > That's really under priced... someone get it while the gettin's good!
>
> > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Marty  wrote:
> > > > Looks very nice. Too small for me...
>
> > > >http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bid/3455783244.html
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[RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[Crazy4Suki]

Does buying a $300 gift certificate count?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Orange Rambo on Chicago CL - $900

[cyclotourist]

Ahhh, that clears it up. Wonderful looking bike!


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Eric  wrote:

> That's frame, fork & headset, no components. Someone mentioned that my
> ad wasn't clear.
>
> Hope it goes to a good home!
>
> - Eric
>
> On Dec 5, 8:31 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > That's really under priced... someone get it while the gettin's good!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Marty  wrote:
> > > Looks very nice. Too small for me...
> >
> > >http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bid/3455783244.html
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[RBW] FS vintage mountain bikes

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have accumulated a couple time-capsule mountain bikes that may be of 
interest to somebody on this list. 

1. 1983-84 Specialized Stumpjumper SC, blue, seat-tube 20" c-c, top-tube 
22.5" c-c. Bullmoose stem/bar. Still has the (seemingly) original 
tan-sidewall Specialized Team Control tires in great shape. Bullseye hubs, 
Suntour Mountech derailleurs, Sugino AT crank, heavy-duty Shimano brake 
levers and "Unishift Control" friction thumb shifters, 
behind-the-seat-tube-mounted Zefal HP frame pump, no saddle or pedals. Some 
garage wear and a few minor scrapes and decal imperfection, but otherwise 
in really nice condition. It has been stored in a dry garage for probably 
15-20 years and probably needs a little air and pro-link, but it's 
obviously well cared for and low miles. $600 shipped CONUS.

2. Late 90s Cannondale F700, size Small, seat tube 17" c-t, virtual top 
tube approx 20" c-c. Excellent condition, and all original except I 
switched to modern Deore levers and Tektro v-brakes and some modern Kenda 
semi-knobby tires when I acquired it awhile back for my lady friend, who 
never rode it. Mavic 220 rims (Coda fhub, Shimano rhub), XT rder, LX fder, 
cool Coda 94/58 crank, SRAM twist shifters, headshock fork. $450 shipped 
CONUS.

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[RBW] Re: Orange Rambo on Chicago CL - $900

[Eric]

That's frame, fork & headset, no components. Someone mentioned that my
ad wasn't clear.

Hope it goes to a good home!

- Eric

On Dec 5, 8:31 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> That's really under priced... someone get it while the gettin's good!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Marty  wrote:
> > Looks very nice. Too small for me...
>
> >http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bid/3455783244.html
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[RBW] Re: Advice on a possible Sam purchase for a new Riv buyer

[Ryan]

But a significant investment nonetheless.  Especially if you're on the 
fence. I'd say if you have an opportunity to test ride a Sam and or some 
other Riv models  by all means do so. The lighter weight and fine ride of 
the Riv might win you over...I also know that the good people of RivHQ 
would be happy to work with you and answer any questions you might 
haveGood luck
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 5:03:58 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: 
>
> Yep. What you have right now are two heavy bikes (Velorbis and Electra), 
> and one with a semi-extreme riding position and high bottom bracket 
> (Guv'nor). The Sam would be a multi-geared semi-lightweight bicycle that 
> would be excellent for commuting *and* jaunts in Griffith Park. Keep the 
> Electra for store runs and the Guv'nor because it's so cool. But expect to 
> ride your Sam most of the time. Get one!
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:51:14 AM UTC-8, Chris wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Thanks for checking out my post. I currently have three bikes; a Pashley 
>> Guv'Nor (beautiful to look at if a bit uncomfortable on longer rides 
>> British bike), Velorbis Scrap Deluxe (very comfortable and heavy Danish 
>> bike I currently use for my work commutes) and an Electra Verse (my "I 
>> don't care what happens to this bike"bike. I really love the new double 
>> tube Sams and I'd love to buy one. Many of you own multiple Rivs and they 
>> sound great but do I need one? I don't do any touring. I commute to work on 
>> the weekdays and if I'm fortunate to get some time on the weekends (I have 
>> an 8 year old boy not really interested in biking) I get out to Griffith 
>> Park here in Los Angeles. Where in your opinion would a Sam fit in? Do you 
>> recommend selling one or all of the others to buy a Sam?
>>
>> Any and all opinions are welcome
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
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[RBW] Re: Advice on a possible Sam purchase for a new Riv buyer

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. What you have right now are two heavy bikes (Velorbis and Electra), 
and one with a semi-extreme riding position and high bottom bracket 
(Guv'nor). The Sam would be a multi-geared semi-lightweight bicycle that 
would be excellent for commuting *and* jaunts in Griffith Park. Keep the 
Electra for store runs and the Guv'nor because it's so cool. But expect to 
ride your Sam most of the time. Get one!
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:51:14 AM UTC-8, Chris wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> Thanks for checking out my post. I currently have three bikes; a Pashley 
> Guv'Nor (beautiful to look at if a bit uncomfortable on longer rides 
> British bike), Velorbis Scrap Deluxe (very comfortable and heavy Danish 
> bike I currently use for my work commutes) and an Electra Verse (my "I 
> don't care what happens to this bike"bike. I really love the new double 
> tube Sams and I'd love to buy one. Many of you own multiple Rivs and they 
> sound great but do I need one? I don't do any touring. I commute to work on 
> the weekdays and if I'm fortunate to get some time on the weekends (I have 
> an 8 year old boy not really interested in biking) I get out to Griffith 
> Park here in Los Angeles. Where in your opinion would a Sam fit in? Do you 
> recommend selling one or all of the others to buy a Sam?
>
> Any and all opinions are welcome
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Garth]

> I used the Shimano 105 double made in 1999-ish FD-5500 when I used 
> 48/44/26 rings and it shifted fine between the small rings. The Dura Ace 
> and Ultegra of that same vintage work as well :)
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[RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[Marc Irwin]

Gee!  Not much time to think.  I wonder if there's $300 of stuff I might like?  
 ROTFL!?!!!

Marc

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Re: [RBW] Boston to Montreal cycling tour.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 12:23 -0800, John L wrote:
> I'm thinking of a bike tour from Boston to Montreal this summer,
> possibly with a return trip or a loop down to the Adirondacks
> depending on my schedule.  In my dream world, I'd find a route through
> Vermont using the numerous maps of dirt and gravel roads found here.
> Any one done something similar, or familiar enough with Vermont to
> suggest a route that avoids, where possible, main thoroughfares?

How about this:  http://boston-montreal-boston.com/




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[RBW] Re: which riv should I sell?

[numbnuts]

Hey All,
I know this won't come as anything new to people here, but I personally 
have never sold a frame or a bike I didn't miss. To sell either an Atlantis 
or a Hunq has got to hurt.

I own neither, but do own (or have owned) similar bikes and I would sell 
the Hunq. Then I would make the Altlantis do everythingincluding 
perhaps the ability to swap out entire (at least bars and controls) in a 
hurry and except the limitations. My 2 cents.

Chris
Redding, Ca.

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[RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[Philip Williamson]

I'd do a version of that Mountain Fixie that was such a troublesome 
truck. Basically a fixed gear fool-around-in-the-woods bike. Able to take 
60mm Big Apples and fenders, like a super-attractive version of my 
industrial-ugly Gravel 
Roadster.
 Flared 
drops. Threadless stem. Berthoud saddle, maybe? I like your mixte idea for 
standover/bailoff clearance. 

Maybe an Abele gray, black, or pea-sage green; something low-key for the 
woods. "Pencil" blue, maybe.

Philip
www.biketinker.com



On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 5:24:12 AM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
>
> I would do a mountain mixte, 650 b able to handle Pancetti's Neo-Moto 2.3, 
> cream headtube maybe that pea sage green or even the soma san marcos blue, 
> heck, mabye even a sam hillborne orange. Alba bars, nice lugged stem, 
> brooks select saddle, those new thinline pedals.  
>  
> Man, I need to make an order and get in on this drawing.
>  
>
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:58:45 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
>> Let's see.maybe a custom dark green/olive plaid pattern paint job 
>>> with cream heatube and windows and epaulets..cream lug tracing, of 
>>> course.
>>>  
>>>
>> Anything less than lug tracing on a plaid custom would 
>> be...welluncivilised.
>>  
>> Eyelets and braze-ons all around...safety tailight braze-ons on the 
>> bottom of the chainstayspump pin...vertical dropouts...nary a 
>> lip...lotsa rake...
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] 52cm Waterford Bombadil FFHS for Sale, single top tube-Last Notice before the Ebay

[Peter Morgano]

Rob,

The list emails are kinda strange today so I just got this. The geometry
and measurements are the same as stated on the Rivbike website
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc#gid=0
.
Standover with Grand Bois Hetres is hair under 31.5 inches, takes 650b
Tires. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks!
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Robert Morrow wrote:

>  Peter;
> I am very interested in the Bomba you have for sale!  Could you give me an
> idea of its geometry?  Most critically, wheel size, top tube length and
> standover height.  Thanks!  Looking forward to your response.
> Rob
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> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:55:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [RBW] 52cm Waterford Bombadil FFHS for Sale, single top
> tube-Last Notice before the Ebay
> From: uscpeter11...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Had a solid offer but deal fell through so still for sale. Again, I hate
> to give any money to Ebay since they are a worthless middle man so can sell
> for $1,100 shipped. Sorry to be pestering with this one but it is all boxed
> up in my bed room and attracts many "comments" from my wife, haha. Thanks
> all.
>
> Peter
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Peter M  wrote:
>
> I really do hate to give money to Ebay for doing nothing but have not
> had any solid offers here yet and need to make space in my small
> apartment. I just know someone out there wants this beautiful frame.
> Again Waterford built in 2011 52cm Bombadil
> Frameset for sale. Bike has a custom paint job, Hunquapillar Grey with
> cream accents, comes with dura-ace headset. Was bought new by fellow
> list member in 2011 and riddent lightly so is really pretty new. Has
> small scuff on seat tube decal and small mark where front deraileur
> was, small scuff from some chain suck but no dents, dings or gouges.
> Incredibly beautiful, needs a good home, priced to sell at $1,200
> shipped but I am open to
> offers. Email me with any questions. Link to Flikr page.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/
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[RBW] Re: David Lance Goines Riv Poster--inexpensive framing option

[Ron Mc]

thanks for showing the poster - I was wondering about it.  
He's not too sky about copying Mucha.  
But so did everyone else.  
Cool poster.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Keeping your neck warm

[Pammie]

Also, for some cool - self knitted projects (related to bikes) Bictoro on 
her blog makes bags, panniers, and knitted products:

http://www.bicitoro.com/

On Friday, November 30, 2012 7:58:07 PM UTC-8, Pammie wrote:
>
> Hey, if you all know any knitters - there are plenty of neck cowls out   
> there that can be knit very very easily! Wool, alpaca, merino, silk,   
> cashmere - sky's the limit! 
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:57 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: 
>
> > There ya go! 
> > 
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 7:39 PM, William  wrote: 
> >> I hear there's a Scandinavian airbag helmet that'll keep your neck   
> >> cozy 
> >> pre-deployment 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 10:01:56 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I've found that protecting my neck from drafts in cold weather saves 
> >>> me from many a sore throat. Unfortunately, some of my favorite   
> >>> jerseys 
> >>> -- notably the otherwise entirely excellent Wabi Woolens one -- have 
> >>> collars that are a wee bit low to do this. What do y'all use to keep 
> >>> your neck warm in situations where you don't want to add another 
> >>> garment with a higher collar? 
> >>> 
> >>> My fleece neck gaiters are too thick much above 40F; thin scarfs are 
> >>> awkward and look a bit twee. Is there anything that will fit snugly 
> >>> about the neck and be compact enough to fit *under* a jersey collar 
> >>> when it is fully zipped? 
> >>> 
> >>> Patrick Moore, about to go run some errands in ABQ, NM where it is 
> >>> currently 53* -- cold enough to need neck protection, sunny, and -- 
> >>> mirabile dictu! -- calm -- we've had wonderful weather for the last 
> >>> several weeks. 
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
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[RBW] Re: Should have looked at the weather report

[John Lee]

Fixed or freewheel? I always felt that fixed gear gave me a lot more sense 
of how much traction I had and a lot more control in icy conditions.

On Friday, November 30, 2012 6:27:22 PM UTC-5, Trevor saxton wrote:
>
> Crisp ride in the morning with the wind at my back left me stuck at work 
> 70km from home, simplone outfitted with Jack Brown greens and 4cm of snow.
>
> A harrowing 10km ride to the train station left me with a smile plastered 
> on my face, convinced that I had found the perfect bike in my simplone. 
>  Also with the notion that I should be my knobbies on this weekend...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/78462625@N07/8232728237
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[RBW] Re: Are Brooks Saddle Worth the Money?

[hangtownmatt]

Bill,

Thanks for the info.  I've been doing my research and the Rivet looks 
intriguing for all the reasons you describe.  But I have to ask - When you 
talk about contact with the inner thigh, is that the same as my issue where 
saddle sores develop at the back of the thigh where it meets the buttox 
just below the sit bone?

Another question I have is related to the cutout.  I've read that it is 
unique and designed for women.  How would you rate the Rivet for relieving 
genital pressure on men?

The reason for the test ride is to help determine if I should get the Pearl 
(170mm) or the Diablo (155mm).  My confusion comes from problems with the 
B17 (170mm) and relief from the Specialized Romin Evo (155mm). However, as 
we know, other factors need to be taken into account, and logic points to 
the Pearl (170mm).  I'm hoping that actually sitting each will help me to 
decide.

Matt
,
 

On Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:02:21 AM UTC-8, Bill M. wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> If you look at an SA, a B17 and a Rivet Pearl from above, you'll see that 
> they are all about the same width at the widest part.  The SA is nearly 
> triangular from nose to tail, the skirts are wide and flared but relatively 
> soft.  The designer INTENDED for them to contact your inner thighs (per an 
> e-mail exchange I had with him before his untimely passing).  The Brooks 
> has a little more 'shape' to it, the nose stays narrower longer than on the 
> SA.  The skirts are more vertical, but there's still some contact there.  
>
> The Rivet's nose stays narrow much longer than that of the Brooks, then it 
> flares much more rapidly to the wider section.  This is achieved by the 
> skirts being pulled together under the saddle and riveted together with a 
> small metal reinforcing plate.  The result is that the Rivet eliminates 
> (for me) the contact point between the inside of the thigh and the corner 
> of the saddle.  That makes a real difference in comfort, IMO.  Also, the 
> Rivet leather is very stiff, so it supports the sit bones well.  The more 
> you sink into the saddle, the more that contact point becomes significant. 
>  It takes some real mileage for the Rivet to break in, so you can't judge 
> one on the first ride.
>
> I have the skirts of my B17 Imperial laced in tight, and have also laced 
> the skirts of my SA and pulled them in tight, but compared to the Rivet 
> those are only partially successful in eliminating that inner thigh 
> contact.  My B17 Special is not laced (yet), but I have cut a fairly large 
> slot into the center of the saddle to relieve pressure from the 'hump' that 
> can develop in a Brooks over the years.   I also have a Brooks Flyer that's 
> both cut out and laced, but it''s not currently in use.  The SA, Imperial 
> and Rivet all come with cutouts.  There's a pattern here!
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Bill Mennuti
>
>
> On Friday, November 30, 2012 11:36:27 AM UTC-8, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>
>> Bill, or anyone else for that matter,
>>
>> Would you please explain how the Rivet Pearl is different for your 
>> anatomy?  I ask because I've put 3,000 miles on a Brooks B17 over the last 
>> 7 months and have suffered horribly from saddle sores where the back of my 
>> thigh meets my buttocks. I'm not sure if it is the shape of the Brooks B17 
>> or its skirt that is causing me issues, but I finally gave up last week and 
>> robbed Peter (vintage Bianchi) to pay Paul (Sam Hillborne).  Sam is now 
>> sporting a Specialized Romin Evo and the saddle sore issue is going away.  
>> I'll stick with it if I have to, because it works, but I'd rather have a 
>> Rivet, Berthoud or another Brooks model.  I was supposed to test ride a 
>> Pearl today but PNW weather is preventing that.
>>
>> I sure wish there we more online reviews of the Rivet products.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:31:59 PM UTC-8, Bill M. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The Rivet has not been mentioned here yet, and they are certainly not 
>>> cheap, but I have to say the shape of the Pearl is far better for my 
>>> anatomy than any Brooks I have ridden.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 22, 2012 8:47:06 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray 
>>> wrote:

 I had not bought a new Brooks in a few years and was shocked at the 
 prices. I think they are great saddles but starting at $120 for a standard 
 B17 is insane. You could get them for a fraction of that just a few years 
 ago. WIth all the other saddles out there, do you think they are worth 
 this 
 much money? Especially with some great new brands and re-intro of some 
 classics (Regal, Contour, Regal, etc). Has anyone tried any of these 
 re-intros or have a Brooks alternative they like?

 Cheers!
 cm

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Flyer Saddle, Sugino AT Crankset, Suntour Cyclone MK II F/R Derailleurs, Etc

[sameness]

SRAM 8sp 12-26T Cassette and Shimano 105 Triple Front Deraileur are now 
SOLD! 

Only the Shimano 105 Road Double Crankset remains.

Thanks again!

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[RBW] Re: which riv should I sell?

[shawn]

IMO if you must sell one make it the Hunq. I have both a Roadeo and an 
Atlantis. If I could only have one bike it would be the Atlantis. "You can 
do anything on an Atlantis". Because you can.


On Saturday, December 1, 2012 1:23:45 PM UTC-5, fulf wrote:
>
> Never thought I'd ever think of selling a Rivendell but with my third son 
> in college and plenty of bills in the mailbox, I'm thinking that one must 
> go. I just don't know which one. I have a four year old Atlantis which is 
> set up as a touring/rando bike and a Hunqapillar which is my go anywhere 
> bike. The Atlantis has noodle bars, 700*40 marathon supremes and is very 
> comfortable. The Hunq has bullmoose bars and 700*50 duremes. It's a little 
> sluggish on long rides but is great for trails and shorter rides. Is also 
> very comfortable and is less than a year old.  
>  Typically I ride them on a 28 mile commute, up to 50 mile loops, 
> around town on errands and someday,trail rides and I hope to ride a long 
> tour. I love both the bikes and really don't which one to part with. Any 
> advice or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.  Bill 
> PS- I hope Manny "one bike is enough" Acosta is right. 
>   
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: which riv should I sell?

[sameness]

Loathe as I am to compel anyone to sell a Riv, I just recently pared down 
to one bike, and have thus far lived to tell the tale. 

Me, I'd keep the Atlantis, if only because I think the range of versatility 
dressing up and down is ever so slightly wider.

Tough spot.

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[RBW] Re: Are Brooks Saddle Worth the Money?

[sameness]

I've lived on a steady diet of second hand, sub-500 mile B-17s that "just 
didn't work" for somebody, so it need not be so cost prohibitive.

Tried a Selle Anatomica and, immediately comfy though it was, I felt like 
I'd be out of tension bolt in three seasons.

Never sat on a Rivet or Berthoud or similar Brooks-alikes.

Also, my Schwalbes cost more than $120 for a full new shod every year or 
whatever, and I've yet to wear out a B-17.

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[RBW] Re: which riv should I sell?

[Tim Tetrault]

I would say stick with the Atlantis for its versatility, but how sad to see 
a Hunq go. Since your goal is the longer tour which I assume will take you 
on some pavement the Atlantis seems like the one. 

On Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:23:45 AM UTC-8, fulf wrote:
>
> Never thought I'd ever think of selling a Rivendell but with my third son 
> in college and plenty of bills in the mailbox, I'm thinking that one must 
> go. I just don't know which one. I have a four year old Atlantis which is 
> set up as a touring/rando bike and a Hunqapillar which is my go anywhere 
> bike. The Atlantis has noodle bars, 700*40 marathon supremes and is very 
> comfortable. The Hunq has bullmoose bars and 700*50 duremes. It's a little 
> sluggish on long rides but is great for trails and shorter rides. Is also 
> very comfortable and is less than a year old.  
>  Typically I ride them on a 28 mile commute, up to 50 mile loops, 
> around town on errands and someday,trail rides and I hope to ride a long 
> tour. I love both the bikes and really don't which one to part with. Any 
> advice or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.  Bill 
> PS- I hope Manny "one bike is enough" Acosta is right. 
>   
>  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Love my new blue Sam

[Tim Tetrault]

That is the fastest looking Sam I've ever seen. Were the Kojaks noticeably 
faster than other tires you've ridden?

Tim/Seattle

On Sunday, December 2, 2012 7:50:22 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Will -- nice build. How do you like the Kojaks? And what are the cranks, 
> the bag, and the front and rear light?
>
> Patrick "inquiring minds, etc, etc" Moore
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Will  >wrote:
>
>> Nice looking set up John. I am really enjoying my Sam too! Here's a shot 
>> of mine in your neck of the woods. I live in New York but my parents live 
>> on the Maryland shore. I ride down there a lot. Enjoy!
>>
>>
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Love my new blue Sam

[Tim Tetrault]

While I'm here, here's my new-ish Sam. Going strong for about 2 months, 
sorry this is not a drive side pic. SLX rear/Deore FD, I've since replaced 
the bottle cage with a Ti one from Blackburn, threw the white Bont cage on 
my wife's bike. Jandd Explorer Rack that a friend was giving away (lucky 
me). 

Wheels are Velocity Dyad with LX hubs. 60cm. @the Greenlake library in 
Seattle. 

On Friday, November 30, 2012 9:14:36 PM UTC-8, John Stowe wrote:
>
> It's been sitting around in various (slow-moving) stages of completion 
> since the summer as parts trickled in, many liberated from members of this 
> group. I got pretty busy once the semester got going, but I managed to 
> finish off the wheels (and several trips to the hardware store for bolts 
> and bits) over the turkey holiday and ride it for ~60 miles this week. 
> Enjoying all the qualities that folks here know, and were the reasons to 
> upgrade from my cyclocross city bike: smooth, even ride, comfortable 
> handling, inquisitive head-turning, and a smile on the rider. And no toe 
> overlap (barely) on my size 14s, to boot!
>
> The other huge, major, wonderful upgrade over my previous bikes is the 
> dynamo lighting. Such a huge difference when night classes are 12 mi away, 
> mostly with no street lights!
>
> One cell phone pic to prove it can carry packages to the UPS store (and 
> later cupcakes to home, by request of the spousal unit). More will surely 
> follow, once I figure out how to work the new DSLR that appeared on my 
> birthday. Mr. Hillborne is likely to be the most patient model I can find 
> to practice on.
>
>
> 
>
> Coupla tweaks still to be made: 
> - the Bosco Bullmoose bars are great for riding around town in a suit, and 
> will be fantastic in about a year when a child seat gets added to the 
> cockpit area. But I might need to swap them out for drop bars for the 
> longer ride to school. The wind along the river chooses to be a friend one 
> day and a foe the next. Usually when I'm already running late.
> - the wire that came with the taillight, for connecting to the headlight, 
> was designed to reach the fork crown, not the front of a rack, so for the 
> moment it's somewhat inelegantly running along one of the top tubes until I 
> rig up a longer one.
> - stainless steel fenders are sitting at home waiting to get installed, 
> but the stays are way too long to be mountable and my hacksaw wandered off 
> to the home of a relative and has yet to return. Also needed for cutting 
> the kickstand down to size. Of course, I've never passed up the opportunity 
> to get more tools - maybe it's time to add a bolt cutter to the collection!
> - still looking for a toolkit to mount on the back of the saddle or 
> somewhere else out-of-the-way-but-always-there. I like the idea of Acorn's 
> roll 
> bag , but they seem to be 
> impossible to actually purchase. Maybe someone with a sewing machine will 
> be looking for stocking stuffer ideas.
>
> Overall, though, I'm just happy it's ride-able, and that the gamble of 
> sinking in all the time, effort and money with no test ride has paid off 
> with such a fine machine. And of course finally packing away the workstand 
> is good for intra-household relations! I have enjoyed lurking and 
> collecting advice on this forum, and the influence definitely shows in the 
> final product. Thanks, all!
>
> -John
> Washington, DC
>

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[RBW] WTB: 25.4cm clamp area, 120mm reach stem

[Edwin W]

 I tried this over at iBob first, but since Riv sells stuff like this, I 
thought I would try here, too, since all the nice iBob-ers had to offer 
were 26.0mm stems and ones that were not as long as I would like.
 
Anyone have one of these they are not using? Like a Nitto Technomic 
(Standard or deluxe)? Tallux?
 
I am trying to get my albas a little further from my knees!
 
You can email me off list: dweendaddy at hotmail
Edwin W
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Saddlebag Advice? Saddlesack v. Carradice

[David Banzer]

Howdy!

Anyone have experience with Carradice saddlebags and Riv Saddlesacks? The 
design of the Saddlesacks seem to be very well thought out and intuitive 
for actual use.

I've been using a Carradice Camper Longflap and it's huge. Wonderful load 
capacity. Too much load capacity for anything I can remotely need right now.
Also should have a Carradice Nelson Longflap coming in the mail today, 
which is just a smaller version of the Camper? Just as wide?
Can't justify two very similar bags so one of will probably have to go.

Would it be unnecessary for me to spring for a new tan Saddlesack? They 
look very nice.
Aesthetics aside, what advantages does a Saddlesack have over a Carradice 
Nelson/Camper?

Thanks!
David
Chicago, IL

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[RBW] FS? 57 Rivendell Road

[Ed Steck]

I have too many bikes and am considering lightening my collection.  I have 
a 57mm Rivendell Road with 2 forks, 1 for short reach and 1 for long reach 
brakes.  The serial # is JS9932 which I'm sure all of you know is a bicycle 
built by Joe Starck in 1999.  It is Coleman Stove Green with cream head 
tube and windows. The condition is at least a 9 out of 10.  It is equipped 
with a 10 speed Campagnolo Record Triple drive train.  172.5 cranks, Campy 
10 speed bar end shifters, Campy record carbon brake levers, Chorus brakes, 
Chorus cassette 13x29 gearing, Nitto S83 seatpost, Brooks Swift Ti saddle, 
Mavic MA-40 rims, Chorus hubs, Wheelsmith DB spokes, Chris King headset 
without graphics, 3t Record stem, 3t Forma SL bars 44mm. 

I am not letting it go cheap and it might be worth more to me than I would 
accept but am offering anyway.

Also have a 172.5 Zepher Crankset, 50-40-28 with companion Phil Wood BB 
that would probably go with the bike.

Pics at the following:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikneut46/sets/72157632164976494/show/

Thanks for looking,
Ed Steck

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[RBW] Re: FS - David Lance Goines Riv Poster

[3wheelin]

On Monday, December 3, 2012 2:38:39 PM UTC-8, stevew wrote:
> Hi all,
> SteveI will take the posterPeter
> I am looking to sell my copy of the DLG Riv poster.  It has been out of the 
> box twice since I got it and it comes with the paper explaining the artist's 
> printing process.  Looking to get what I paid when Rivendell did the buy it 
> before you see it promotion - $20, plus actual shipping.
> 
> Please contact off list, and I can let you know what the shipping cost will 
> be.
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve Wimberg

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RE: [RBW] 52cm Waterford Bombadil FFHS for Sale, single top tube-Last Notice before the Ebay

[Robert Morrow]

Peter;
I am very interested in the Bomba you have for sale!  Could you give me an idea 
of its geometry?  Most critically, wheel size, top tube length and standover 
height.  Thanks!  Looking forward to your response. 
Rob 



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:55:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [RBW] 52cm Waterford Bombadil FFHS for Sale, single top tube-Last 
Notice before the Ebay
From: uscpeter11...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com


Had a solid offer but deal fell through so still for sale. Again, I hate to 
give any money to Ebay since they are a worthless middle man so can sell for 
$1,100 shipped. Sorry to be pestering with this one but it is all boxed up in 
my bed room and attracts many "comments" from my wife, haha. Thanks all.
 
Peter


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Peter M  wrote:

I really do hate to give money to Ebay for doing nothing but have not
had any solid offers here yet and need to make space in my small
apartment. I just know someone out there wants this beautiful frame.
Again Waterford built in 2011 52cm Bombadil
Frameset for sale. Bike has a custom paint job, Hunquapillar Grey with
cream accents, comes with dura-ace headset. Was bought new by fellow
list member in 2011 and riddent lightly so is really pretty new. Has
small scuff on seat tube decal and small mark where front deraileur
was, small scuff from some chain suck but no dents, dings or gouges.
Incredibly beautiful, needs a good home, priced to sell at $1,200
shipped but I am open to
offers. Email me with any questions. Link to Flikr page.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/

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[RBW] Re: Homemade Accessories for Bikes

[EGNolan]

Andy-
 
Your bike, which I found on Google somehow, was the reason I did this  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericgnolan/8064314062/in/photostream ; much 
more crude. If I had any sewing abilities I'd make a seat similar to yours, 
but I found an old saddle works well.
 
-Eric
 

On Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:57:06 AM UTC-5, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:

> The little basket-mounted pouches are a cool idea. I've been thinking of 
> making the same sort of thing but a little larger for the box on my 
> Bakfiets. It's funny... the Bakfiets has got a cargo box big enough for an 
> adult or 4 small children to ride in but I'm often at a loss for a good 
> place to put small items like a camera or sunglasses.
>
> As far as stuff that's actually gone beyond an idea... 
>
> The kid seat  comes 
> and goes but the leather mud flap is always on my Homer. The wife has an 
> almost matching kid seat and mud 
> flapon her Betty Foy
>
> I replaced the snaps on my Slickersack with turn 
> buttonsso
>  it'd be easier to go on/off with stuff in the bag. 
>
> This little 
> dealgets
>  the light out in front of my basket 'cause the beam from the handlebar 
> mounted light was obscured when I had stuff in the basket
>
> I think my coolest homemade bike accessory is the double kid 
> seatfor my Big Dummy. 
> I love my Homer and have great adventures on my Riv, but 
> the good (and bad) times I have sharing the bike with my kids are the stuff 
> I'll smile about on my deathbed.  
>
> --Andy 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 22, 2012 11:05:20 AM UTC-8, Tony Lockhart wrote: 
>>
>> Hello all and Happy Thanksgiving! I just wanted to see if anyone else in 
>> the Riv community enjoys making accessories for their bikes. If this is the 
>> case, I'd love to see what innovative things you've made. In the meantime, 
>> I'll post some images of things that I've made.
>>
>> During the past 2 years, I have been trying to perfect the rando bag but 
>> ultimately have been displeased with its lack of sturdiness. I enjoy making 
>> them, using them for a while, then gifting them to other cycling 
>> friends--this is great because it constantly gives me the opportunity to 
>> make new bags. While rando bags look great, I have yet to make one as 
>> versatile as a Wald basket. And after many years of debate, I have decided 
>> to stick with my Wald. With that in mind, I missed the tool pockets 
>> typically found at the back of a rando bag. So, I recently decided to 
>> create a couple of pouches to hang on the back side of my basket.
>>
>> Both pouches are 2 inches deep, 4 inches wide, and 5 inches high. There 
>> is also an extra 3 inches of flap available if I try to over-stuff the 
>> pouches. It was relatively easy to construct these little bags because 
>> canvas is such a forgiving material to work with. I have plastic stiffeners 
>> inside the bags (very similar to the ones in Acorn bags) and velcro 
>> attachments to keep everything in place. While these dimensions may seem 
>> small, I have all of my tools in the left pouch (inner tube, patch kit, 
>> multi tool, a pair of CO2 cartridges, 3 tire levers, zip ties, and 4 Irish 
>> straps). The pouch on the right is used to keep my cell phone, garage 
>> clicker, and keys; there is quite a bit of space left for snacks, a saddle 
>> cover, and a bandana. I'd love to see the folks at Riv create some 
>> Sackville versions of these because they're extremely versatile.
>>
>> Have a look--I am attaching JPEG images to this post. Also, I'd love to 
>> see any other accessories people make for their bikes.
>>
>

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[RBW] Boston to Montreal cycling tour.

[John L]

I'm thinking of a bike tour from Boston to Montreal this summer, possibly 
with a return trip or a loop down to the Adirondacks depending on my 
schedule.  In my dream world, I'd find a route through Vermont using the 
numerous maps of dirt and gravel roads found 
here.  
Any one done something similar, or familiar enough with Vermont to suggest 
a route that avoids, where possible, main thoroughfares?

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[RBW] Re: Not too off topic I hope...

[Corwin Booth]

I use the Lumix ZS15. Well, that is more or less what it is called now, 
don't have the camera with me. I use it taking shots on and off the bike. 
On the bike, I keep it in a handlebar bag. The "winder" bump out makes it 
very easy to get a firm grip, and the switching is all right there so you 
can operate it with one hand very easily. It also turns on rapidly, and has 
a decent lens. I've been very happy with the quality of photos, video, and 
sound. So there you go! Happy trails!

On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 5:19:43 AM UTC-8, Will wrote:
>
> Manny: that film by Jesus is great. It brings me back to my days out 
> there. I would often ride the same routes. It's been too long, I've got to 
> get out there again sometime soon. Thanks for sharing.
>
> I've often thought about starting a thread but thought better of it 
> because it seemed off topic. I always look at all of the great photos that 
> you post. In this video I catch a glimpse of your camera but can't id it. I 
> know a great camera doesn't make a great photographer and you are certainly 
> that. But it looks like something that is not too bulky and easy to carry 
> around on the bike. What is it?
>
> If anyone else has cameras that they like to take out on rides on their 
> Rivs (Riv content!), I would like to hear about them. I'm sick of my crappy 
> iPhone photos and want to step up to a good all around camera that will 
> travel well yet still give me a good focal range to capture good, crisp 
> shots. Something easy to strap across my chest and get up and running fast. 
> Any recommendations?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[Dave]

glad I waited until my birthday on the 1st to be treated and treat myself 
to some things at RBW.  Photos of my new-to-me protovelo bleriot coming 
soon.

On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:46:32 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> Wonder what the chances of winning are?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 4:06:42 PM UTC-5, Dave Rivbike wrote:
>
>> I just posted on the blug but thought to repost here. 
>>
>> We're raffling off a custom frame to one lucky customer who places a 
>> $300+ order during December. 
>>
>> Info here: 
>> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/37206352818/rivendell-raffle
>>
>> Happy Holidays
>>
>> -Dave@riv
>>
>

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[RBW] in search of 650b 32 hole rims

[dylan alverson]

HI,

   Any one out there have an extra set of 650b rims 32 holes that they want 
to sell or trade.

Thanks
Dylan

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[RBW] Advice on a possible Sam purchase for a new Riv buyer

[Chris]

Hi everyone,
Thanks for checking out my post. I currently have three bikes; a Pashley 
Guv'Nor (beautiful to look at if a bit uncomfortable on longer rides 
British bike), Velorbis Scrap Deluxe (very comfortable and heavy Danish 
bike I currently use for my work commutes) and an Electra Verse (my "I 
don't care what happens to this bike"bike. I really love the new double 
tube Sams and I'd love to buy one. Many of you own multiple Rivs and they 
sound great but do I need one? I don't do any touring. I commute to work on 
the weekdays and if I'm fortunate to get some time on the weekends (I have 
an 8 year old boy not really interested in biking) I get out to Griffith 
Park here in Los Angeles. Where in your opinion would a Sam fit in? Do you 
recommend selling one or all of the others to buy a Sam?

Any and all opinions are welcome

Thanks,
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Go fast bike: San Marcos?

[redsydude]

I think those bikes are built by the same manufacturer in Taiwan so is the 
quality control on the Sam Hillborne much better than on the SOMA?  
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:06:58 PM UTC-8, Tony Lockhart wrote: 
>
> Thanks Aaron! I agree, the front brake caliper in the photo is out of 
> tolerance--this is my primary gripe about the San Marcos. My 54cm SM uses a 
> standard (47-57) reach caliper up front and a long reach (55-73) caliper at 
> the back. I'm not sure if this is a design flaw or an operator error. For 
> what it's worth, these little issues are not heinous enough to deter me 
> from liking the bike because it has excellent handling characteristics and 
> is fun to ride.
>
> Incidentally, I am currently running the proper reach caliper up front 
> because I had this nagging feeling that the long reach caliper would fail.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 3, 2012 10:29:33 PM UTC-8, Aaron Thomas wrote: 
>>
>> Tony, 
>>
>> Quick head's up on your brake reach issue. Looks like you're using the 
>> wrong brake up front — and that's why the brake pads are high in the slots. 
>> Only the 650B sizes of the San Marcos (i.e. 47, 51) use the long reach 
>> Tektro 559 (55-73mm). The 700c sizes use standard reach brakes (47-57 mm). 
>> That'd be the Tektro R539 . 
>> Did you try putting a standard reach brake on the front?
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Sunday, December 2, 2012 11:42:46 AM UTC-8, Tony Lockhart wrote: 
>>>
>>> Ryan,
>>> I actually have both bikes and have some thoughts to share with you 
>>> regarding both. Perhaps some of my experiences can help with your decision 
>>> on which frame to purchase.
>>>
>>> I bought a Sam Hillborne a couple of years back and went through a 
>>> number of drivetrain and accessory changes. It's been my go fast, 
>>> commuting, townie, and cyclocross bike so I feel qualified in comparing 
>>> both bikes. My Sam has had a number of "personalities" in regards to set up 
>>> and ride characteristics. I currently have it set up as a townie with 
>>> fenders, 32mm tires, drop bars, and a basket (*contemplating a dirt 
>>> drop stem and flat bars with cork grips*). I also have a San Marcos set 
>>> up as a commuter, club ride bike, and cyclocross bike. My San Marcos has a 
>>> mix of Shimano parts, 32mm tires, a Velo Orange rack, and drop bars. *To 
>>> answer your original question, the San Marcos is an excellent choice for a 
>>> go fast bike.*
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> *San Marcos Criticism #1*
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if this is true for different sizes, but you'll need 
>>> standard reach brake calipers up front and long reach calipers in the rear 
>>> if you purchase a 54cm San Marcos. I am not sure if this is true of the 
>>> other sizes or with any other 54cm San Marcos frames. I am running Tektro 
>>> R559 brakes on this bike--the fit of the rear calipers is spot on however 
>>> long reach calipers up front don't seem to fit properly. Have a look at the 
>>> attached photo and you'll see that the fork was not designed for long reach 
>>> brakes. Conjecture says that this bike should use standard reach brakes and 
>>> that the rear brake bridge on my bike was welded too far upwards, 
>>> necessitating longer reach brakes.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> *San Marcos Criticism #2*
>>>
>>> The dropouts on this bike suck compared to the ones on my Sam. As you 
>>> can see from the photos, the front dropouts originally come with lawyer 
>>> tabs--I quickly filed those off after acquiring the bike. The rear dropout 
>>> eyelets are welded too closely to the frame and cause interference when 
>>> trying to mount a rack or fenders. The welds get in the way and prevent you 
>>> from mounting accessories in a flush manner. The second photo shows a 
>>> slight gap between the rack tab and the eyelets because the welds get in 
>>> the way. Moreover, the decorative part of the Soma dropouts interfere with 
>>> the quick-release hub skewer--this is not the case with my Sam.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> With all of that said, the San Marcos is an excellent bike and I am very 
>>> pleased with it. I have no trouble maintaining an average speed of 23mph 
>>> while on club rides. It is quite comfortable however feels very sporty and 
>>> agile when compared to the Sam Hillborne. Since you already have a Sam, try 
>>> to imagine your bike with easier maneuverability, a lighter feel when 
>>> climbing, and less squirrel*liness*. If you go with mainly Nitto parts, 
>>> more spokes than less, and wide tires, you'll have no worries about 
>>> durability if y

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Ryan Watson]

Rob at Ocean Air Cycles told me $340, which I believe included rings. 

On Dec 5, 2012, at 10:09, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> I saw that too, and while they say "more affordable" than the normal OX801D 
> (which is like, $500, right?) they don't mention a specific price point.  
> Wonder how much it'll be.  Probably not XD2 cheap, but hopefully not too bad.
> 
> In any case, another good option for wide range doubles...If it's cheap 
> enough, I may finally try one of these newfangled (now 10 years old) external 
> bottom brackets.  
> 
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>> 
>> Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any better 
>> or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that there are 
>> getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if this will be 
>> any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. 
>> 
>> http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html
>> 
>> --mike
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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[rperks]

For what it is worth, these are in the same wholesale price league as White 
industry crank sets with a WI bottom bracket.  Likewise the Compass RH 
offering is just a bit more without a bottom bracket.  The corresponding 
retail prices all appear to be in the hunt as well if you shop around, and 
or ask your retailer of choice.  IMO the real differences come down to 
aesthetics, bottom bracket style, if ramped and pinned rings mean anything 
to you, and country of origin.  What is really good is the fact that there 
are finally choices in the market that allow for lower ranged well spaced 
doubles and triples.  

The next step is finding a front derailer made in the last 20 years that 
works well with a 48-44 ring and a 16-20 tooth gap between rings.  There 
are a few great vintage options, but new is a little harder to find.

Rob (very excited for a Christmas Roadeo project that is getting closer to 
done)
oceanaircycles.com
Ventura, Ca

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:04:14 AM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
> Among the highlights is that Soma finally is embracing the inherent 
> flexibility of the chainring choices.  When they started offering the $500 
> flavor, they didn't offer it with anything smaller than a 34T small ring, 
> which is what we all can already get with every other 110mm bcd crankset. 
>  Now they offer all the rings as freebie configuration options.  That's 
> pretty cool.  It'll be interesting to get a weight on it.  Remember that if 
> Soma has it, Merry Sales also has it, so you can buy it from you LBS if 
> they deal with Merry Sales.   
>
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>>
>> It's already up on Soma website  $360 . 
>>
>> http://store.somafab.com/suoxcrarwcu.html
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] David Lance Goines Riv Poster--inexpensive framing option

[Leslie]

I went with UV glare-free glass.  Wasn't the cheapest choice, but was a 
minimal upcharge over regular glass.  There was a 'museum' glass, the stuff 
literally just disappeared, no idea that there was glass there at all:  
VERY nice, but much much more pricey than the non-glare UV glass...  



On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:15:26 PM UTC-5, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:
>
> Actually, plexi is usually more expensive. I found that out recently when 
> I got my poster framed. 
>
> Kevin
> Chicago, IL
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 10:16:32 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I agree. I had a much bigger piece of art framed at a custom shop for 
>> about $250 a few years ago. Plexiglas is cheaper and lighter than glass, 
>> and does some UV protecting at the same time.
>>
>> Philip
>> Www.biketinker.com
>>
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Re: [RBW] David Lance Goines Riv Poster--inexpensive framing option

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Actually, plexi is usually more expensive. I found that out recently when I 
got my poster framed. 

Kevin
Chicago, IL
On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 10:16:32 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I agree. I had a much bigger piece of art framed at a custom shop for 
> about $250 a few years ago. Plexiglas is cheaper and lighter than glass, 
> and does some UV protecting at the same time.
>
> Philip
> Www.biketinker.com
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[RBW] Re: Orange Rambo on Chicago CL - $900

[Kevin Mulcahy]

I've talked to the owner a couple times recently, he's a super nice guy and 
takes great care of nice bikes. 

Kevin 
Chicago, IL

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:03:04 AM UTC-6, Marty wrote:
>
> Looks very nice. Too small for me...
>
> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bid/3455783244.html
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[RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[William]

I'd almost certainly end up with a slightly tweaked approximation of a 
canti-luki, or maybe a canti-roadeo.  

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:52:45 AM UTC-8, Peter Pesce wrote:
>
> Boy, it's pretty easy to come up with $300 in my shopping cart, even 
> though there's not a single thing I "need"!
>
> If I won, I'd probably basically end up with a Roadeo fattened-up to hold 
> me. With fancy paint, of course... My country and utility bike needs are 
> pretty much covered already at this point.
>
> -Pete in CT
>
> On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 4:06:42 PM UTC-5, Dave Rivbike wrote:
>>
>> I just posted on the blug but thought to repost here. 
>>
>> We're raffling off a custom frame to one lucky customer who places a 
>> $300+ order during December. 
>>
>> Info here: 
>> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/37206352818/rivendell-raffle
>>
>> Happy Holidays
>>
>> -Dave@riv
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[William]

Among the highlights is that Soma finally is embracing the inherent 
flexibility of the chainring choices.  When they started offering the $500 
flavor, they didn't offer it with anything smaller than a 34T small ring, 
which is what we all can already get with every other 110mm bcd crankset. 
 Now they offer all the rings as freebie configuration options.  That's 
pretty cool.  It'll be interesting to get a weight on it.  Remember that if 
Soma has it, Merry Sales also has it, so you can buy it from you LBS if 
they deal with Merry Sales.   

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>
> It's already up on Soma website  $360 . 
>
> http://store.somafab.com/suoxcrarwcu.html
>
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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Mike Schiller]

the finish looks dull in the pictures, guess they saved money on polishing?

I wish IRD would do their Defiant crankset in a 94 BCD double. That would 
be a real big seller. There are plenty of 94 mm chain-rings around.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>
> Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any 
> better or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that 
> there are getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if 
> this will be any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. 
>
> http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html
>
> --mike
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Garth]

It's already up on Soma website  $360 . 

http://store.somafab.com/suoxcrarwcu.html

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Garth]

BTW .. whatever happened to the Riv Crank proposed long ago ?  

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Garth]

Note the 145mm Q factor.  For those who it matters to, this will be a "big 
deal".  Note it is designed in the spirit of the TA Cyclotouriste Crank 
with it's low Q and small ratios, except you are no longer limited to that 
odd and often wobbly tiny BCD !  You can use the common 110mm BCD :) 

But, if the other one costs $500 . h . prolly not going to be 
near XD prices ...  

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Garth]

Note the 145mm Q factor.  For those who it matters to, this will be a "big 
deal".  Note it is designed in the spirit of the TA Cyclotouriste Crank 
with it's low Q and small ratios, except you are no longer limited to that 
odd and often wobbly tiny BCD !  You can use the common 110mm BCD :) 

But, $500 ?   lol !

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Joe Bernard]

What is the *deal* with that site? It freezes my computer every time.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:09:25 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:

> I saw that too, and while they say "more affordable" than the normal 
> OX801D (which is like, $500, right?) they don't mention a specific price 
> point.  Wonder how much it'll be.  Probably not XD2 cheap, but hopefully 
> not too bad.
>
> In any case, another good option for wide range doubles...If it's cheap 
> enough, I may finally try one of these newfangled (now 10 years old) 
> external bottom brackets.  
>
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>>
>> Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any 
>> better or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that 
>> there are getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if 
>> this will be any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. 
>>
>> http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html
>>
>> --mike
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crank

[Jeremy Till]

I saw that too, and while they say "more affordable" than the normal OX801D 
(which is like, $500, right?) they don't mention a specific price point.  
Wonder how much it'll be.  Probably not XD2 cheap, but hopefully not too 
bad.

In any case, another good option for wide range doubles...If it's cheap 
enough, I may finally try one of these newfangled (now 10 years old) 
external bottom brackets.  

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:34:28 AM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>
> Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any 
> better or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that 
> there are getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if 
> this will be any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. 
>
> http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html
>
> --mike
>

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[RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[Peter Pesce]

Boy, it's pretty easy to come up with $300 in my shopping cart, even though 
there's not a single thing I "need"!

If I won, I'd probably basically end up with a Roadeo fattened-up to hold 
me. With fancy paint, of course... My country and utility bike needs are 
pretty much covered already at this point.

-Pete in CT

On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 4:06:42 PM UTC-5, Dave Rivbike wrote:
>
> I just posted on the blug but thought to repost here. 
>
> We're raffling off a custom frame to one lucky customer who places a $300+ 
> order during December. 
>
> Info here: 
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/37206352818/rivendell-raffle
>
> Happy Holidays
>
> -Dave@riv
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki

[Frank]

I have a 62cm Saluki and a 63cm AHH and my PBH is 89.5. Mine are set up 
differently, but if I were to go down the like-to-like line on a 
per-component basis, they would be very similar. I love them both, ride 
them both almost equally, and I've done light touring on both. 

I've also ridden each of them loaded with 5 days worth of clothing and 
stuff to support an extended vacation / stay in PDX on the Seattle to 
Portland ride in years past. I didn't weigh them, but would guess that with 
two panniers and a Hoss pretty fully packed I probably had 45lbs. of jank 
plus 165lbs of me on the bike. Both bikes worked fine at 100m/d, though I'd 
say they were close to the limit.

In any event, the Saluki is a great bike and would be well suited to the 
riding you describe, though so would the Sam. Can't see how you could go 
wrong either way.

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 5:35:26 AM UTC-8, SeanMac wrote:
>
> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that 
> this bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat 
> difficult time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a 
> list member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me. 
>
>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short 
> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some 
> time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what 
> a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it 
> really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century 
> ride bike?
>
> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
>
> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I 
> simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to 
> my height to choose the correct Saluki?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
>

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[RBW] Re: Not too off topic I hope...

[Montclair BobbyB]

Having ridden the Brick, it sure FEELS like it's solid through !!  I'll ask 
my friend Scott... He may know.

BB  

On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:07:02 PM UTC-5, Will wrote:
>
> Nice photos Bobby. Looks like perfect Napa weather. Love the brick! I 
> wonder what the main tube wall thickness was on those... 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki

[Montclair BobbyB]

That all-blue Sam IS a looker alright (AND a deal)... 

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:35:26 AM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote:

> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that 
> this bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat 
> difficult time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a 
> list member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me. 
>
>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short 
> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some 
> time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what 
> a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it 
> really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century 
> ride bike?
>
> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
>
> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I 
> simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to 
> my height to choose the correct Saluki?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
>

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Re: [RBW] RBW specials

[Leslie]

They'd ship it to ya...


Have to admit, I feel like I should buy it, even though I would *so* be in 
the doghouse if I did I really shouldn't... but, I really want to 
but I *really* shouldn't.








On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:27:54 AM UTC-5, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> Sigh that one makes me sad so far away.
>
> -sv
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:05 AM, cyclotourist 
> > wrote:
>
>> Dis one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/515613230/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Manuel Acosta 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure the tandem is Grant's too. I'm digging the extra cycle sale.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 9:26:48 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Comes pre-beausaged by the guy who invented the term! That's a real 
 good deal, especially with the lugged stem. And an orange grab strap!
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 8:32:26 PM UTC-8, Dave Faller wrote:

> Sure looks like it to me! 
>
> On 12/4/2012 8:31 PM, Leslie wrote: 
> > http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/wsf-0042.htm
> >  
> > 
> > Doesn't that bike belong to ?? 
> > 
>
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[RBW] Re: Saluki

[C.J. Filip]

I'm just shy of 87cm PBH and fit perfectly on the 59cm Hilsen.  Here
is the generic Riv fit chart: 
http://www.rivbike.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/framesize_chart.gif

Looks like for a given PBH the sizes on 650B compared to 700C are a
bit larger but should fit the same.

On Dec 5, 6:34 am, Sean McAtee  wrote:
> My pbh is about 88.  Riv recommended that I go with a 56 Sam.  Not sure about 
> my size on a Homer and I can't seem to access Riv's sizing chart
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, "C.J. Filip"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Sean,
>
> > What's your PBH?  If you're in the "taller" overlap zone of the Homers
> > and the larger Salukis (59cm-62cm), I may be able to contribute to
> > your questions.
>
> > I recently added a 60cm Saluki to compliment and potentially replace
> > my 59cm Hilsen.  For now, I feel I'm at the point where I've
> > identified a great size and ergonomic setup, nearly perfect, and now
> > begin the process of splitting hairs.  The Saluki is able to run
> > slightly wider (Hetre) tires and has cantis and feels a hair larger,
> > but that's probably due to the puffier 42mm Hetres (my Homer is an
> > early build and has the narrower tire clearance).
>
> > Aesthetically, the bike looks to be of the same high quality.  My
> > Homer was made at Waterford but the Saluki probably at Toyo.  The lugs
> > appear to be "mismatched," the top lug of the headtube appearing to be
> > like the current Homers and the bottom lug of the headtube appearing
> > to be like the older "pointy" lugs.  I like it.
>
> > Here is an archive page on the Saluki:
> >http://web.archive.org/web/20070225162042/http://www.rivbike.com/bike...
>
> > On Dec 5, 5:35 am, SeanMac  wrote:
> >> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that this
> >> bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat difficult
> >> time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a list
> >> member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me.
>
> >>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short
> >> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some
> >> time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what
> >> a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it
> >> really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century
> >> ride bike?
>
> >> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
>
> >> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I
> >> simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to
> >> my height to choose the correct Saluki?
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> Sean
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[cyclotourist]

That would be an awesome bike!


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:24 AM, RJM  wrote:

> I would do a mountain mixte, 650 b able to handle Pancetti's Neo-Moto 2.3,
> cream headtube maybe that pea sage green or even the soma san marcos blue,
> heck, mabye even a sam hillborne orange. Alba bars, nice lugged stem,
> brooks select saddle, those new thinline pedals.
>
> Man, I need to make an order and get in on this drawing.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:58:45 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
>
>> Let's see.maybe a custom dark green/olive plaid pattern paint job
>>> with cream heatube and windows and epaulets..cream lug tracing, of
>>> course.
>>>
>>>
>> Anything less than lug tracing on a plaid custom would
>> be...welluncivilised.
>>
>> Eyelets and braze-ons all around...safety tailight braze-ons on the
>> bottom of the chainstayspump pin...vertical dropouts...nary a
>> lip...lotsa rake...
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RE: [RBW] Re: Saluki

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Mine is 86.5, and Riv suggested a 61cm Homer.  Fits perfectly with Jack Browns, 
but not a lot of extra room -- I don't mind that, and I think Keven knew that 
when he suggested the 61.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean McAtee
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:35 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki

My pbh is about 88.  Riv recommended that I go with a 56 Sam.  Not sure about 
my size on a Homer and I can't seem to access Riv's sizing chart



Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, "C.J. Filip"  wrote:

> Hi Sean,
> 
> What's your PBH?  If you're in the "taller" overlap zone of the Homers 
> and the larger Salukis (59cm-62cm), I may be able to contribute to 
> your questions.
> 
> I recently added a 60cm Saluki to compliment and potentially replace 
> my 59cm Hilsen.  For now, I feel I'm at the point where I've 
> identified a great size and ergonomic setup, nearly perfect, and now 
> begin the process of splitting hairs.  The Saluki is able to run 
> slightly wider (Hetre) tires and has cantis and feels a hair larger, 
> but that's probably due to the puffier 42mm Hetres (my Homer is an 
> early build and has the narrower tire clearance).
> 
> Aesthetically, the bike looks to be of the same high quality.  My 
> Homer was made at Waterford but the Saluki probably at Toyo.  The lugs 
> appear to be "mismatched," the top lug of the headtube appearing to be 
> like the current Homers and the bottom lug of the headtube appearing 
> to be like the older "pointy" lugs.  I like it.
> 
> Here is an archive page on the Saluki:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070225162042/http://www.rivbike.com/bikes
> /saluki
> 
> On Dec 5, 5:35 am, SeanMac  wrote:
>> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know 
>> that this bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a 
>> somewhat difficult time finding information about it on the web.  I 
>> am hoping that a list member or three might be able to shed some light on 
>> this bike for me.
>> 
>>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short 
>> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam 
>> for some time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the 
>> all-blue Sam - what a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this 
>> kind of riding or is it really designed as a country bike / credit 
>> card tourer / rambler / century ride bike?
>> 
>> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
>> 
>> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  
>> Should I simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 
>> 650b section to my height to choose the correct Saluki?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Sean
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki

[cyclotourist]

Probably right around a 60-61cm frame for level TT bikes. I'm an 89 and
ride 61-62m frames.


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Sean McAtee  wrote:

> My pbh is about 88.  Riv recommended that I go with a 56 Sam.  Not sure
> about my size on a Homer and I can't seem to access Riv's sizing chart
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, "C.J. Filip"  wrote:
>
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > What's your PBH?  If you're in the "taller" overlap zone of the Homers
> > and the larger Salukis (59cm-62cm), I may be able to contribute to
> > your questions.
> >
> > I recently added a 60cm Saluki to compliment and potentially replace
> > my 59cm Hilsen.  For now, I feel I'm at the point where I've
> > identified a great size and ergonomic setup, nearly perfect, and now
> > begin the process of splitting hairs.  The Saluki is able to run
> > slightly wider (Hetre) tires and has cantis and feels a hair larger,
> > but that's probably due to the puffier 42mm Hetres (my Homer is an
> > early build and has the narrower tire clearance).
> >
> > Aesthetically, the bike looks to be of the same high quality.  My
> > Homer was made at Waterford but the Saluki probably at Toyo.  The lugs
> > appear to be "mismatched," the top lug of the headtube appearing to be
> > like the current Homers and the bottom lug of the headtube appearing
> > to be like the older "pointy" lugs.  I like it.
> >
> > Here is an archive page on the Saluki:
> >
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070225162042/http://www.rivbike.com/bikes/saluki
> >
> > On Dec 5, 5:35 am, SeanMac  wrote:
> >> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that
> this
> >> bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat
> difficult
> >> time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a list
> >> member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me.
> >>
> >>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short
> >> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for
> some
> >> time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam -
> what
> >> a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it
> >> really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler /
> century
> >> ride bike?
> >>
> >> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
> >>
> >> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should
> I
> >> simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section
> to
> >> my height to choose the correct Saluki?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Sean
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki

[Sean McAtee]

My pbh is about 88.  Riv recommended that I go with a 56 Sam.  Not sure about 
my size on a Homer and I can't seem to access Riv's sizing chart



Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, "C.J. Filip"  wrote:

> Hi Sean,
> 
> What's your PBH?  If you're in the "taller" overlap zone of the Homers
> and the larger Salukis (59cm-62cm), I may be able to contribute to
> your questions.
> 
> I recently added a 60cm Saluki to compliment and potentially replace
> my 59cm Hilsen.  For now, I feel I'm at the point where I've
> identified a great size and ergonomic setup, nearly perfect, and now
> begin the process of splitting hairs.  The Saluki is able to run
> slightly wider (Hetre) tires and has cantis and feels a hair larger,
> but that's probably due to the puffier 42mm Hetres (my Homer is an
> early build and has the narrower tire clearance).
> 
> Aesthetically, the bike looks to be of the same high quality.  My
> Homer was made at Waterford but the Saluki probably at Toyo.  The lugs
> appear to be "mismatched," the top lug of the headtube appearing to be
> like the current Homers and the bottom lug of the headtube appearing
> to be like the older "pointy" lugs.  I like it.
> 
> Here is an archive page on the Saluki:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070225162042/http://www.rivbike.com/bikes/saluki
> 
> On Dec 5, 5:35 am, SeanMac  wrote:
>> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that this
>> bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat difficult
>> time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a list
>> member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me.
>> 
>>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short
>> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some
>> time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what
>> a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it
>> really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century
>> ride bike?
>> 
>> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
>> 
>> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I
>> simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to
>> my height to choose the correct Saluki?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Sean
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[RBW] New Sugino Crank

[Mike]

Just noticed this on the Soma blog. I don't know that this looks any better 
or worse than an XD-2 set-up as a double. Still, it's nice that there are 
getting to be more options for wide-range doubles. I wonder if this will be 
any cheaper than the Rene Herse crank. 

http://www.somafab.blogspot.com/2012/12/sugino-ox601-cranks.html

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Re: [RBW] Orange Rambo on Chicago CL - $900

[cyclotourist]

That's really under priced... someone get it while the gettin's good!


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Marty  wrote:

> Looks very nice. Too small for me...
>
> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bid/3455783244.html
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RE: [RBW] RBW specials

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

NFS.  That really is a smokin' hot deal.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:28 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] RBW specials

Sigh that one makes me sad so far away.

-sv

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:05 AM, cyclotourist 
mailto:cyclotour...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dis one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/515613230/

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Manuel Acosta 
mailto:manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Pretty sure the tandem is Grant's too. I'm digging the extra cycle sale.


On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 9:26:48 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
Comes pre-beausaged by the guy who invented the term! That's a real good deal, 
especially with the lugged stem. And an orange grab strap!

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 8:32:26 PM UTC-8, Dave Faller wrote:
Sure looks like it to me!

On 12/4/2012 8:31 PM, Leslie wrote:
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0042.htm
>
> Doesn't that bike belong to ??
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Re: [RBW] RBW specials

[Seth Vidal]

Sigh that one makes me sad so far away.

-sv


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:05 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Dis one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/515613230/
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Manuel Acosta <
> manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure the tandem is Grant's too. I'm digging the extra cycle sale.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 9:26:48 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Comes pre-beausaged by the guy who invented the term! That's a real good
>>> deal, especially with the lugged stem. And an orange grab strap!
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 8:32:26 PM UTC-8, Dave Faller wrote:
>>>
 Sure looks like it to me!

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 > http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/wsf-0042.htm
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[RBW] Re: Saluki

[C.J. Filip]

Hi Sean,

What's your PBH?  If you're in the "taller" overlap zone of the Homers
and the larger Salukis (59cm-62cm), I may be able to contribute to
your questions.

I recently added a 60cm Saluki to compliment and potentially replace
my 59cm Hilsen.  For now, I feel I'm at the point where I've
identified a great size and ergonomic setup, nearly perfect, and now
begin the process of splitting hairs.  The Saluki is able to run
slightly wider (Hetre) tires and has cantis and feels a hair larger,
but that's probably due to the puffier 42mm Hetres (my Homer is an
early build and has the narrower tire clearance).

Aesthetically, the bike looks to be of the same high quality.  My
Homer was made at Waterford but the Saluki probably at Toyo.  The lugs
appear to be "mismatched," the top lug of the headtube appearing to be
like the current Homers and the bottom lug of the headtube appearing
to be like the older "pointy" lugs.  I like it.

Here is an archive page on the Saluki:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070225162042/http://www.rivbike.com/bikes/saluki

On Dec 5, 5:35 am, SeanMac  wrote:
> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that this
> bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat difficult
> time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a list
> member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me.
>
>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short
> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some
> time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what
> a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it
> really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century
> ride bike?
>
> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
>
> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I
> simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to
> my height to choose the correct Saluki?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean

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[RBW] Orange Rambo on Chicago CL - $900

[Marty]

Looks very nice. Too small for me...

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bid/3455783244.html

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[RBW] Re: Saluki

[Mike]

Try the Internet Wayback Machine (http://archive.org/web/web.php) and see 
if you can get info from an older version of the RBW website. But yeah, the 
Saluki is basically a 650b Hilsen. Still, the SH for $1000 seems like a 
good deal.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Saluki

[Leslie]

The Saluki was a 650b bike, that was merged into the 700c A Homer Hilsen

The 650b AHH's *are* Salukis, in a sense...



On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:35:26 AM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote:
>
> I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that 
> this bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat 
> difficult time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a 
> list member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me. 
>
>  I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short 
> touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some 
> time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what 
> a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it 
> really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century 
> ride bike?
>
> How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?
>
> I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I 
> simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to 
> my height to choose the correct Saluki?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
>

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[RBW] Saluki

[SeanMac]

I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that this 
bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat difficult 
time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a list 
member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me. 

 I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short 
touring - Erie Canal, C & O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some 
time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what 
a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it 
really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century 
ride bike?

How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?

I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I 
simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to 
my height to choose the correct Saluki?

Thanks,

Sean

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[RBW] Re: Custom Frame Raffle

[RJM]

I would do a mountain mixte, 650 b able to handle Pancetti's Neo-Moto 2.3, 
cream headtube maybe that pea sage green or even the soma san marcos blue, 
heck, mabye even a sam hillborne orange. Alba bars, nice lugged stem, 
brooks select saddle, those new thinline pedals.  
 
Man, I need to make an order and get in on this drawing.
 

On Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:58:45 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

> Let's see.maybe a custom dark green/olive plaid pattern paint job 
>> with cream heatube and windows and epaulets..cream lug tracing, of 
>> course.
>>  
>>
> Anything less than lug tracing on a plaid custom would 
> be...welluncivilised.
>  
> Eyelets and braze-ons all around...safety tailight braze-ons on the bottom 
> of the chainstayspump pin...vertical dropouts...nary a lip...lotsa 
> rake...
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Not too off topic I hope...

[Eric Platt]

First off, I'm a bit of a camera hog, so have ended up with quite a few
over the years.  Although don't have one, do like the 4/3 option with a
14mm lens.  Jim Thill has one and is getting quite good photos from the
setup.

For point and shoots, currently am using the Sony RX100 which has a really
nice output, but is (a) probably not as robust as I'd like and (b) still
quite expensive for what it is.

But if I had to only own one point and shoot it would be a Ricoh GRD.  Very
robust build.  No zoom, although the 28mm lens is quite nice. The lastest
versions have a built in level which helps my photography.  It's probably
my favorite small camera.  (The Fuji X100 is better but bigger and more
expensive).

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> I have seen a platrack /slickersack converted to a pretty boss camera case
> if you wanted to go whole hog.
> On Dec 4, 2012 9:52 PM, "Stonehog"  wrote:
>
>> I like the micro 4/3 stuff. Smaller lenses - some of the pancakes are
>> really small and light. I used a point and shoot (canon) for a while, and
>> got some good shots, too. Lately I have been using a Panasonic GF3 with a
>> 14mm lens on the bike.  It is only slightly bigger than a P&S. I also
>> picked up a GH2 which is slightly upscale, but uses the same lenses. That
>> one requires a strap/sling, but is still portable light.  It all comes down
>> to what you find worthwhile.
>>
>> Mobile Brian Hanson
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Will  wrote:
>>
>> > Nice photos Bobby. Looks like perfect Napa weather. Love the brick! I
>> wonder what the main tube wall thickness was on those...
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