date:20151210

Let's make it happen!  You definitely wouldn't pay $2400 for a frameset in 
a heartbeat.  You've got some price in mind.  Let's figure how to sell the 
parts you can't afford to keep around and get you on one.  Somebody else 
qualified their "in a heartbeat" with "if it was $700 like the Clem.  If 
that's your price, then the barrier isn't Rivendell, the barrier is your 
price.  If you're price is closer to $1600 or so, I bet we could do it.  

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 11:21:42 PM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> Really beautiful. I'd buy a frame in a heartbeat. Not holding my breathe 
> for that option though. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60CM Blue Bombadil frame LIKE new

2015-12-10 Thread Kendallspower

Sold the BB. Need this gone 1800 OBO

Thanks!

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> Hey guys,
>
> Making one last attempt here before going to eBay.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 1:09:22 PM UTC-7, Kendallspower wrote:
>>
>> Trying to gauge interest. I have 2 and I never ride the nicer one which I 
>> am thinking about parting with. It was a wedding gift from 
>> my wife.
>>
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[RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

250 shipped for everything! Need gone! wife is clearing out parts bin : \ lol 

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[RBW] Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
them up fairly regularly.

Then something like this comes up.
http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0

And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than
what Riv sells bar-ends for...

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[RBW] Re: Albastache vs moustache, haters, likers

2015-12-10 Thread Will

My Atlantis came with Moustache. I replaced with Albastache. I like them 
both. The moustache is a more aggressive bar, narrower and more forward. 
The Albastache is wider, a tad higher, and the bends are more relaxed. I 
like the albastsache more, but I an 62 y.o., if I was 25 y.o., I think the 
moustache would suit better. It really depends on your riding. Ride on 
roads: albastache. Ride single track and woods: moustache. 

I think albastache are the best bars I've ridden in many years. I would put 
them on all my bikes, execept my bike stems are 25.4 and the new albas are 
26, so I'd need to replace stems too... A real bite...  

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-6, ccanter wrote:
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> Do you like the Albastache and not the moustache?
> If so why?
>
> Best,
> Clyde Canter
>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

I feel your pain, brother.  My wife is wanting me to clean out mine as
well.  And we only have a 1 car garage, so there's that additional
pressure to keep things tidy as well.  I'd really like to get a nice
shed and throw all my gardening and yard maintenance gear out there,
but, they don't come free unfortunately.

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Re: [RBW] Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Tim Gavin

A couple of my bikes have brifters (Foundry Auger - SRAM Rival 10s double
tap, Giordana - Campy/Sachs 8s Ergopower)
One has grip-twist shifters (Specialized Fatboy - 10s SRAM XO)
Two have bar-ends, both currently in indexed mode (Riv Road/650b - 10s
Shimano, Schwinn KOM - 9s Shimano)

I guess I'm saying that I prefer bar-ends on my touring bikes, but I'm ok
with index or brifters too.
Also, 10 speed Shimano bar-ends (index-only) are just $50 at Nasbar
.  I'm
very happy with mine, especially paired with TRP RRL brake levers, whose
shape I prefer over the shape of Shimano brifters.


If you're gumming up the bar-ends with sweat residue, then it's a good
thing that they're easy to rebuild.
I presume that the hoods would keep most of your sweat from getting into
the mechanism on the brifters, but the Shimano brifters aren't easily
rebuildable.



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> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
> them up fairly regularly.
>
> Then something like this comes up.
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than
> what Riv sells bar-ends for...
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Silver or Grand Cru Crankset?

I run 44/28 and I only use the 28 if it's really steep, and usually by the
time I'm done with it I'm out of breath, so having to find the right gear
in the back after upshifting again is a welcome respite for me.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Yes the Compass cranks are beautiful, and compared to a new Carmina, a
> bargain.   They also require proprietary rings, a definite drawback.
>
> Thanks also for the posts of the "silver" cranks from RBW.  They are
> definitely not going on my bike.
>
> I run a 44/30 White Industries crank on my Ram and love it, but have never
> liked ring setups with 16 tooth jumps, like a 44/28.  It's to much work
> finding the next gear after a shift.  I'm looking to replace the RD2 on my
> Trek with a 48/34/26 because I live in Vermont, am over 70, but still like
> to (occasionally) take on a mountain climb and many of ours have 14% and up
> grades.  I can only sustain my cadence on the Ram (30/28) up to about 10%.
>
>
> I asked about the BB to know if I need to add a new one into this  budget.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 6:13:09 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/09/2015 06:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> and in addition to having no idea when Silver Cranks will be for sale, we
>> have no idea what they will cost.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 2:10:54 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>>>
>>> In addition to the sale price on the Grand Cru, VO has everything on 20%
>>> discount until the 15th I believe. Another lister here alerted me to that
>>> tidbit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or, you could resolve the ambiguity & skip the wait, and go first class
>> with these:
>>
>>
>>
>> They're even nicer looking in real life.
>> https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/cranks/rene-herse-double-crank/
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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

If you like click-shifting bar-ends, I see no reason not to try brifters. 
Those Shimano levers have a nice shape for riding on the hoods, and you 
might like not having to reach back to shift. A lot of RivBobs like 
bar-ends, but there's a reason there's so many brifters on the road. Check 
'em out!

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:05:33 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>  
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
>
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[RBW] Re: Albastache vs moustache, haters, likers

I couldn't get either shape to work for me. The curve lands in just the 
wrong spot in my palm, creating tingling and pain after anything more than 
10 miles. But I'm a road-only rider at this point; either bar would be good 
for mountain-bikey-type terrain as an alternative to flat bars. 

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 6:07:49 AM UTC-8, ccanter wrote:
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> Do you like the Albastache and not the moustache?
> If so why?
>
> Best,
> Clyde Canter
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Anton Tutter

I've converted to brifters, and I won't look back.

I've had Shimano STI, Campy Ergo and SRAM DoubleTap. Currently have Campy 
and SRAM in my stable, and I prefer the SRAM DoubleTap ever so slightly 
over Campy Ergo. I didn't like Shimano STI as much... Both the Campy and 
SRAM hoods are very comfortable, but the SRAM shifting mechanism has the 
best feel, IMO.

Anton


On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 11:05:33 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>  
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

2015-12-10 Thread drew

Haha. Bill you should be paid by rivendell and my wife should put a hit on 
you. i think if there was a frame presale around 1200 now, i would not be 
able to say no to that. later, if frames are being sold and i could 
save/strategize, i'd go to 1600$ no problem. right now, dropping 2400$ 
right before the holidays and then waiting months to strip the bike/sell 
off the parts/move over other parts/sell the sam hillborne etc there 
are just a few too many barriers to make it a worthwhile endeavor, when i 
dont need another bike. 

im just saying, if a frame option was out there, my impulse buying tendency 
would not resist. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

So is it orange-ish or green-ish? I liked the earlier looks-more-orange 
pic, but *love* this looks-more-green/yellow one. Either way, I need this 
bike! 

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 7:23:20 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Let's make it happen!  You definitely wouldn't pay $2400 for a frameset in 
> a heartbeat.  You've got some price in mind.  Let's figure how to sell the 
> parts you can't afford to keep around and get you on one.  Somebody else 
> qualified their "in a heartbeat" with "if it was $700 like the Clem.  If 
> that's your price, then the barrier isn't Rivendell, the barrier is your 
> price.  If you're price is closer to $1600 or so, I bet we could do it.  
>
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 11:21:42 PM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>>
>> Really beautiful. I'd buy a frame in a heartbeat. Not holding my breathe 
>> for that option though. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albastache vs moustache, haters, likers

2015-12-10 Thread drew

as mentioned, mustache is narrower and more forward.  i thought that the 
differences with the albastache would be fairly minimal, but it really is a 
cross between an albatross and a mustache bar. i had mustaches on a fastish 
bike and liked them a lot. my big touring bike had albatross bars which 
lacked a more forward position, so i swapped them for albastache and it 
seems like a really comfortable middle ground. i still get the semi 
uprightness of a low albatross, but have a much more comfortable forward 
leaned position. i mostly ride with my hands right before/semi-in the 
hooks, which is a position i have not been able to replicate on any other 
bar and really enjoy. the width is also great for front loads. 

like will said, i'd put them on all of my bikes, but i have a weird ocd 
thing where each bike needs to be set up differently. 

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread islaysteve

Another brifter fan here (although I dislike the term).  When I returned to 
riding in 1994 after a long hiatus, STI made such a positive difference in my 
comfort and confidence on the bike.  I see no reason to give that up as long as 
I'm using drop bars.  My experience is solely with Shimano (105 8 spd) and I 
don't find them (index shifting) to be finicky.  I'm running the
same old 8 speed shifters and derailleurs from 1994, with Sugino crank and a 
cassette that is supposed to be out of range for that RD.  Still works fine.  
For full disclosure, these shifters do get sticky after a time and require some 
level of cleaning.  I recently did a deep cleaning that involves partial 
disassembly.  Not for the faint of heart, but helped greatly by some YouTube 
videos ( links upon request).  This would not be an issue of course if you're 
buying new, or recent, parts.
Cheers, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Albastache vs moustache, haters, likers

2015-12-10 Thread 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch

I preferred the Albastache, but neither bar worked for me. The brake levers 
cannot be rotated down far enough (the curve interferes), for my stiff 
wrists.  I had to lift my fingers off the bar, rotate my wrist down to get 
my fingers in the right spot and then brake. Splat! I just ran into that 
pedestrian.dammit.

Clay

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> Do you like the Albastache and not the moustache?
> If so why?
>
> Best,
> Clyde Canter
>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

Oh man I know. I used to have a shed at our old house out in the sticks but we 
just moved closer to the city in an apartment and things are a little tight!

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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC Rivs

2015-12-10 Thread Brad

Sounds interesting. I've been curious about 718 since it showed up on the 
Riv dealer list. And I wish I knew how to build wheels...

Brad
(in Queens)

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 10:09:01 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
>
> I won't be able to make it tonight, wherever you decide, but I had a 
> thought. There's that new Riv dealer, 718 cyclery. I went by there and it's 
> a great spot. What my thought was is a get together at one of their wheel 
> building seminars. They're free, and not surprisingly they're very popular. 
> Filled up through December. But January maybe? They're held on Friday 
> evenings once or twice a month. There's also plenty of more rudimentary 
> workshops throughout the month, not sure where our median mechanic skills 
> are at but I'd be open to whatever with wheelbuilding being my next great 
> hope.
> -Kai
> Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

SOLD, thanks all!

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

2015-12-10 Thread Edwin W

What drew said!

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 10:42:47 AM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> Haha. Bill you should be paid by rivendell and my wife should put a hit on 
> you. i think if there was a frame presale around 1200 now, i would not be 
> able to say no to that. later, if frames are being sold and i could 
> save/strategize, i'd go to 1600$ no problem. right now, dropping 2400$ 
> right before the holidays and then waiting months to strip the bike/sell 
> off the parts/move over other parts/sell the sam hillborne etc there 
> are just a few too many barriers to make it a worthwhile endeavor, when i 
> dont need another bike. 
>
> im just saying, if a frame option was out there, my impulse buying 
> tendency would not resist. 
>
>

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[RBW] FS: XL Rando Bag for Haulin' Colin Rack plus a small saddlebag

2015-12-10 Thread David Banzer

I made up a bag for a list member specifically to fit a Haulin' Colin
porteur rack, and made an extra bag for myself in the same size as I
intended to get the same rack for a bike. Changed my mind on the rack, so
now have an extra bag with a matching saddlebag.
$200 shipped for both bags.
Paypal payment please. I can send an invoice.

Bags:
XL Rando Bag
Main compartment:
12" wide
8" deep
10" tall

Front pocket extends out 2", so it is supported by the HC rack platform.
The bag is supported by coroplast stiffener panels - these do a really good
job at keeping the bag in place. I've been using the bag on a Nitto M12
rack and it works just fine - probably shouldn't load the bag up with heavy
items, but it works on either the HC rack, or a smaller rack like the Nitto
M12.
Front pocket and 2 rear-facing pockets.
Brown leather with matching trim. Side sleeves, d-rings for a strap (not
included). Underneath the bag their is a leather patch to attach the
underside to rack with a toestrap or similar strap. When I used the bag on
a Nitto M12 with a VO decaleur, I didn't feel the need to use a strap
underneath as the bag stayed put really well.
Instead of a full map sleeve, I did 2 top pockets, I as a phone case with
clear plastic to use for directions, and the second is a top sleeve pocket
with another layer of fabric. A zipper is used to access both pockets.

Saddlebag:
Info on size/shape here:
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/boxy-bar-saddle-bag
Leather is the same as the rando bag.

Both bags are made of Fairfield Textiles water-repellent canvas.

Feel free to ask any questions. Both bags are lightly used, photos of them
on my bike here:
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz136/dabanzer/Bags/E27FB611-F101-46F7-99DE-35489E947CD8_zpscpoyblvq.jpg

Contact me offlist if interested.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread iamkeith

I have one set, of Ultegra STI 9 speeds on my RB-1.  I do like them, but 
mostly for variety's sake.  It's kind of fun to have one bike upon which 
regular and frequent shifting is part of the ride experience. If I had to 
choose or only had one bike, I still like simple, separate shift levers of 
one sort of another though.  Ignoring the durability and adjustment issues, 
something about the inherent side-to-side wobble of the brifter levers is 
unnerving to me.  My favorite system for drop bars are the Kelly take-off 
mounts.  

I'll say this though:   The comfort/ergonomics of most brifters, including 
the one you linked, is *vastly* superior to any lever-only design out 
there, that I've found. The hoods themselves are large enough that they're 
actually a joy to rest your hands on (indeed this seems to be the primary 
hand position for most modern road bikes), and the levers are way easier to 
reach from the drop position even when the brake body is mounted high 
enough to be utilized as a true hand perch.  (Hopefully that makes sense - 
I'm a mountain biker who happens to own a couple of road bikes, but the 
terminology is foreign to me.  Basically, on a bar like the noodle, I seem 
to have to choose between being able to comfortably and readily reach the 
levers from the drop position without a strained contortion of my hands and 
body, or being able to comfortably rest on the hoods when I want to ride in 
that position.  The brake levers are also easier and more effective to 
operate from the hoods themselves, but the TRP ones that Riv sells do a 
better job of this than most.

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 9:05:33 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>  
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
>
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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Philip Kim

All the time. Although I'm more tempted by the gevenalles than actual 
brifters

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Ryan Ray

If you want to try it out I have an 10 speed Tiagra group I might be able 
to ship to Texas for 150 or so.

- Ryan



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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Scott G.

Sure, I have one Campy Ergo bike, '05 with nice power ratchet front 
shifting.
Rebuildable, triple friendly.
Variety is good, keeps your mind from following ruts.



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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread William deRosset

Dear Jim,

Tempted? Nah. I just use 'em when appropriate. 

I either use downtube shifters (7s friction and 10s indexed) or 
Ergo/doubletap levers (10s). On my long-distance bike, I actually use the 
Campagnolo 10s shaped levers and (10s) downtube shifters, as on longer 
events, or on extended day trips in very bad weather (that's 40-30degF and 
sustained snain) I find the manual dexterity required to use integrated 
shift levers is too high. I can shift indexed downtube levers with my 
fist Also, they're lighter, and I still have the benefit of the 
improved ergonomics of the huge modern lever bodies.

I tried pretty hard to like bar-ends, and never warmed up to them for 
general use. I prefer either the 1-handed double shift of a downtube lever, 
or the ease of a double shift on Ergo levers (SRAM levers aren't too much 
harder; STI I just don't love).

As a sweater, I understand your challenges, though I've never gummed up a 
shifter with sweat. Traditional quill stems, on the other hand, did not 
fare so well. I had to pull them regularly and grease the quill and 
expander or it would all corrode in place, leading to ugly mutterings and 
extended removal procedures.

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 9:05:33 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>  
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
>
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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread RJM

I use Ultegra 6800 11 speed group on my Roadeo and I cannot fault that 
groupset at allnot at all.

On a touring bike, one where I actually am going to use it on tours more 
than a day or two bike camping, I would go with a bar end or even downtube 
just for simplicity and ability to repair on the roadside. I'm planning on 
downtubes for the used Atlantis I bought recently. But, modern brifters 
work excellently. My mountain bike has an XT group and it also works great.

And I honestly never said that before using 6800. I thought all the stuff I 
used previously was sub-par.





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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

I like them a lot. I didn't go out of my way to get some, but they came on 
a used bike I bought. And, they're great! Especially for spirited off-road 
riding, when you're in the drops and don't want to let go of your grip to 
move your hand. Amazing in that application!

But they do wear out *significantly *faster than bar-ends, and I can see 
how they're prone to ride-ending damage in a crash. I almost treat them 
like a replaceable wear item like a chain or even tires. They last longer 
than those of course, but nowhere near what bar ends (decade) or friction 
(lifetime) shifters do.

Very intrigued by the Simergo 11 to 9 set set up, and will probably do that 
when my current Ultegras wear out (they're starting to shift poorly right 
now).

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:05:33 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>  
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
>
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[RBW] Re: "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

2015-12-10 Thread RJM

I'm kinda a clipless person for road riding and mountain biking but will be 
throwing thin gripsters on the Atlantis. I don't know if my pedal stroke is 
smooth and efficient or not (and I would bet on not) but I find the shoes 
for clipless that I have are excellent. I think clipless gives an advantage 
with the riding I do with both the road bike and the mountain bike, which 
is generally fast riding where I'm trying to keep up with people in better 
shape than myself. 

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 8:20:46 PM UTC-6, Chad wrote:
>
> I believe this is relevant to this group :-) 
>
>
> http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/article/the-idea-of-a-smooth-and-effecient-pedal-stroke-45868/
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Randall Rupp

I've got a bike with Shimano Ultegra 6800 11-speed shifters and they are
really nice.  Light touch and shifts great.  Haven't had them more than 18
months so I can't comment on durability.  I have had some Campy Veloce
10-speed shifters in a shimergo setup for more the 4 years and they have a
more mechanical feel to them which I like.  I haven't had any problems with
them.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:38 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like them a lot. I didn't go out of my way to get some, but they came on
> a used bike I bought. And, they're great! Especially for spirited off-road
> riding, when you're in the drops and don't want to let go of your grip to
> move your hand. Amazing in that application!
>
> But they do wear out *significantly *faster than bar-ends, and I can see
> how they're prone to ride-ending damage in a crash. I almost treat them
> like a replaceable wear item like a chain or even tires. They last longer
> than those of course, but nowhere near what bar ends (decade) or friction
> (lifetime) shifters do.
>
> Very intrigued by the Simergo 11 to 9 set set up, and will probably do
> that when my current Ultegras wear out (they're starting to shift poorly
> right now).
>
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:05:33 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
>> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
>> them up fairly regularly.
>>
>> Then something like this comes up.
>>
>> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>>
>> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than
>> what Riv sells bar-ends for...
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

Haha, you guys both need to learn some things about N+1.  :-)You buy 
the complete and tell your wife that the parts were practically free.  Ride 
the bike and keep your Hillborne at least until Summer.  When Rivendell is 
only selling Hillbornes complete, you save the day for somebody who is 
handwringing and sell them your Hillborne frame.  Then you hold on to a 
build kit and wait patiently for another awesome frameset to present 
itself, and you tell your wife that bike was practically free because you 
had all the parts.  

Circle of life, people!  Circle of life.  Wheels keep spinning

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:42:47 AM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> Haha. Bill you should be paid by rivendell and my wife should put a hit on 
> you. i think if there was a frame presale around 1200 now, i would not be 
> able to say no to that. later, if frames are being sold and i could 
> save/strategize, i'd go to 1600$ no problem. right now, dropping 2400$ 
> right before the holidays and then waiting months to strip the bike/sell 
> off the parts/move over other parts/sell the sam hillborne etc there 
> are just a few too many barriers to make it a worthwhile endeavor, when i 
> dont need another bike. 
>
> im just saying, if a frame option was out there, my impulse buying 
> tendency would not resist. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Patrick Moore

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:54 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

> I have one set, of Ultegra STI 9 speeds on my RB-1.  I do like them, but
> mostly for variety's sake.  It's kind of fun to have one bike upon which
> regular and frequent shifting is part of the ride experience. If I had to
> choose or only had one bike, I still like simple, separate shift levers of
> one sort of another though.  Ignoring the durability and adjustment issues,
> something about the inherent side-to-side wobble of the brifter levers is
> unnerving to me.  My favorite system for drop bars are the Kelly take-off
> mounts.
>

I've only tried brifters "around the block" and found the shift action
rather awkward and annoying -- I had to push the lever inward so far it
felt awkward. I do love Silver BES and use them on my off road bike -- 9
speed; they are precise enough and the lever is long enough that I get
pretty good control; interesting: the Microshift derailleur that got into
the spokes and exploded was more precise than the replacement Dura Ace
7410; but the last shifts fine anyway -- just a lot more movement of the
derailleur for a given movement of the BES.

But!! With the new Race Lite and its 9 speed trigger shifters --- man, *how
easy it is to shift!!* I generally don't shift much, either on- or off
road, but I find myself tempted to shift a lot more with these triggers --
partly of course because the gaps between gears are so big and I'm always
searching for the right one. New cog and ring arrangements in planning.

One shifting system I liked a great deal on road was the old Kelly
Take-Offs, that put dt shifters just inboard of the brake hoods. I found
these particularly nice for half stepping, and I could shift from hoods as
well as hooks. I wonder how they'd do off road 

>
> I'll say this though:   The comfort/ergonomics of most brifters, including
> the one you linked, is *vastly* superior to any lever-only design out
> there, that I've found. The hoods themselves are large enough that they're
> actually a joy to rest your hands on (indeed this seems to be the primary
> hand position for most modern road bikes), and the levers are way easier to
> reach from the drop position even when the brake body is mounted high
> enough to be utilized as a true hand perch.
>
>
I know that it's each to his-er-her own, but I find the "traditional"
Shimano aero, pre-brifter hoods very comfortable, and try to install these
on all my road bikes. In fact, I like them better than the Tektro or Cane
Creek V-brake drop bar levers on the dirt road bike (formerly known as
Fargo, shortly, God willing, to be known as Matthews Custom Cycles) which I
find, frankly, too long. There seems to be a natural transition between the
long, flat ramp of the Maes Parallel and the Shimano aero hood, with a very
definite stop in just the right place.

I suppose all of this is simply to say that brake hood shapes and shifter
positions are almost as personal a taste as saddles and gearing.

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[RBW] Re: Albastache vs moustache, haters, likers

2015-12-10 Thread clyde canter

Thanks all for the input.  I'm going with "I probably won't like the
Albastache much either.  A cheaper scenario for certain.

Long shot...anybody got an alba to trade for a mous?


On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:07 AM, clyde canter 
wrote:

> Do you like the Albastache and not the moustache?
> If so why?
>
> Best,
> Clyde Canter
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?


"I'm wondering if this is another 51, or if this one is a 55. If I were 
able to actually read the tire size on the big bens to see if it's a 
650b or 700c wheel, that would answer the question. "

I took the rear wheel shot and measured the seat tube length, the chainstay 
length and the wheel radius.  It's close but I think that's a 55, because 
the seat tube (center to top) is a tiny bit longer than the chainstay 
length.  If it was a 51, the seat tube length would be a tiny bit smaller 
than the chainstay length.  I could be wrong though with my imprecise 
measuring.

Bill


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

2015-12-10 Thread Steve Palincsar




On 12/10/2015 08:55 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
Thanks for sharing. switched to flats after reading the flat pedal 
manifesto, comparing pedal stroke to pistons in an engine. It made 
sense to me. Flats give me less pain, but I mostly ride them because 
it reminds me of riding a bike as a kid. Just fun for me.


On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 2:33:50 AM UTC-5, Chad wrote:

Sorry, maybe I should not have posted that article here.  I guess
it just reiterates what Grant has advocating for years.  For the
record, I alternate back and forth between flats and clip less and
like them both depending on my riding style.





Grant is advocating pedal strokes like pistons in an engine??? Another 
name for that in cycling lore is "pedaling squares," and it's something 
you definitely do not want to be doing.


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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

2015-12-10 Thread drew

Bill, i have an idea. you buy several complete appaloosas, strip them and 
sell us the frames. then we sell you our old frames. you can then build 
them up with the parts from the joe and resell them as completes to the 
people who bought the appaloosas but are inevitably unhappy with the 
real-life color that they end up being. 

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Re: [RBW] Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Steve Palincsar




On 12/10/2015 11:04 AM, Jim Bronson wrote:

I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
them up fairly regularly.


Would you be even more likely to gum up brifters with sweat?  I mean, 
your hands are right on the levers all the time with brifters, whereas 
with bar end shifters you grab hold of the lever only when you're shifting.



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[RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

2015-12-10 Thread Garth

I pedal like a purring cat kneading in bliss 😼

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

Quit my day job and open up Rivelo South?  It wouldn't lose too much money. 
 :-)

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 11:44:13 AM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> Bill, i have an idea. you buy several complete appaloosas, strip them and 
> sell us the frames. then we sell you our old frames. you can then build 
> them up with the parts from the joe and resell them as completes to the 
> people who bought the appaloosas but are inevitably unhappy with the 
> real-life color that they end up being. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Tim Gavin

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 11:54 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

>
>
> I'll say this though:   The comfort/ergonomics of most brifters, including
> the one you linked, is *vastly* superior to any lever-only design out
> there, that I've found. The hoods themselves are large enough that they're
> actually a joy to rest your hands on (indeed this seems to be the primary
> hand position for most modern road bikes), and the levers are way easier to
> reach from the drop position even when the brake body is mounted high
> enough to be utilized as a true hand perch.  (Hopefully that makes sense -
> I'm a mountain biker who happens to own a couple of road bikes, but the
> terminology is foreign to me.  Basically, on a bar like the noodle, I seem
> to have to choose between being able to comfortably and readily reach the
> levers from the drop position without a strained contortion of my hands and
> body, or being able to comfortably rest on the hoods when I want to ride in
> that position.  The brake levers are also easier and more effective to
> operate from the hoods themselves, but the TRP ones that Riv sells do a
> better job of this than most.
>
>
I agree that most brake-only levers have dated ergonomics, and don't really
give good hand positions on the hoods or ramps.  That's because most
brake-only levers haven't been re-designed since the early 90s.  I didn't
grow up with non-aero levers, so I don't appreciate a point at the top of
the hood.

The TRP RRL levers, in contrast, have modern ergonomics that mirror
Campagnolo 10s Ergopowers.  I find that they are very comfortable on the
hoods and ramps, as are most modern brifters.  I have no problem reaching
the brake lever from any hand position, but then again I have pretty large
hands.  A small wedge is included with the TRP RRL levers that may change
that lever reach somewhat.

To the overall discussion, I'll add that my control choice is definitely
influenced by my gearing configuration.
With a triple crank, I accept only a Silver bar-end shifter.  Every other
shifter I've tried with a triple crank has been disappointing (twist grip
shifters, Campy 8s Ergos, Shimano STI brifters, thumb shifters, or trigger
shifters).
The left Silver bar-end seems to pull a lot of cable (compared to Shimano
bar-ends), so shifts require only a small movement of the lever.  I can
over-shift it a bit if I want to force a shift, and it's super easy to trim.
No other shifter is as satisfactory for me with a triple crank.  Therefore,
both of my bikes with triples have bar-ends.
I haven't tried more modern Campy Ergos with a triple, and their multiple
standards (quickshift, ultrashift) keeps me from even trying.

With a double crank, I've found indexed/integrated shifters to work just
fine.  And, with a wide-range 10s cassette, I don't really see the need for
a triple crank any more.  I don't think I'll spec one on any new builds.
 (Sorry for any offense to the retro-grouches out there.  I respect the
retro-simple aesthetic and ascribe to most of its tenets, but triples are
losing ground in my preferences.)

With all that said, I'll admit that I don't like the wrist twisting motion
required for brifters.  I've injured my wrists enough over the years that
they're usually a bit tender, and that twisting gets uncomfortable,
especially when my arms are tired from riding.  The up/down motion of a
bar-end or downtube shifter is much more comfortable for my wrist.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Two different (but similar) Ibex Wool - made in USA - Polos

2015-12-10 Thread Belopsky

 Also have a black long sleeve Ibex Polo in large. $60..

>
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[RBW] Re: FS: All-City Space Horse, 61cm

2015-12-10 Thread Belopsky

This is a great deal for someone tall

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread jeffrey kane

Personally, I prefer the term dual-control lever. And while I love them -- 
loved Shimano 9, loved Campy Record 10 -- I didn't like Shimano 10 and 
haven't been able to settle on a choice for a new set. I hate telling 
myself how much I like D/T shifters. I mean, I'm already a grouch but still 
... I can't get over how much I like their ease, ergonomics and overall 
genius of design .. and I love that simultaneous one-handed front and back 
shifting. Heck, I'm currently running D/T shifters as preference over 
Shimano 10 dual control levers on my commuter bike these days ... in NYC 
traffic! 

That said, Sram has my eye. I'd like to do a 1x set up with that crazy 
10-/42 rear cassette on my commuter ... and one day I swear I'm gonna shave 
off my cable stops and go for that e-Tap system. Come on man: just 4 parts 
and no wires, cables or housing ... just bolt 'em on, pair 'em up and go. 
But first, lets see how the pros do next season all bunched up together 
mixing up wireless signals and all. I 'm happy to wait a few years for the 
wide range mtb/touring version anyway.

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 11:05:33 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>  
>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

"I'll say this though:   The comfort/ergonomics of most brifters, including 
the one you linked, is *vastly* superior to any lever-only design out 
there, that I've found"

Another notable exception is SRAM.  The S500 brakelevers are brifters with 
the guts ripped out.  They are still very heavy (~270g) and are still very 
expensive (~$100), but they have a that contemporary ergonomic shape of a 
brifter...because it's the same thing.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: XL Rando Bag for Haulin' Colin Rack plus a small saddlebag

2015-12-10 Thread David Banzer

Looks like that link is just going to 1 photo. There's more: 
http://s821.photobucket.com/user/dabanzer/library/Bags?sort=3&page=1
David
Chicago

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Garth


  In high heat and humidity and sweating profusely I either wear some basic 
cotton sweat-wrist bands and/or carry thin cotton or microfiber cloths with 
me . I pretty much keep one in hand or both hands while riding . I 
sometimes start with a wet one and it's quite refreshing to wipe your face 
and arms while you ride rather than stay soaked .  If I was a "past me" 
looking an someone riding with wrist bands or cloths in their hands I may 
have thought it a bit odd ! HaH !  Now I just laugh and dress and do 
whatever the heck I want to regardless .

You don't need new levers Jim !  

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[RBW] Re: Albastache vs moustache, haters, likers

2015-12-10 Thread Surlyprof

I've had and liked both.  I've also had Albatross, Bosco and several drop 
and mountain bars.  I love the Albastache and will probably never give it 
up unless I need to get even more upright (saving the replaced Albatross 
should that day arrive).  I've never felt more comfortable with a set of 
handlebars.  There are times when I wish I could sit a little more upright 
but those times are far outweighed by the comfort when cruising or dropping 
into the front curves for a more (but not too) aggressive position.  I 
liked the mustache bars I used to own but not as much as I love the 
Albastache.  They were much more aggressive and nice on trails.  I wouldn't 
consider the Mustache an upright bar at all since I never felt I could sit 
upright with them.  The ends of the bars just don't extend far enough back 
and the angle of drop is too low to ever feel upright.  That said, I did 
like the deeper drop of the front curves.  They felt more ergonomically 
correct than the flatter Albastache.  

I'll keep the Albastache as long as I can.  Love 'em!
John

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 6:07:49 AM UTC-8, ccanter wrote:
>
> Do you like the Albastache and not the moustache?
> If so why?
>
> Best,
> Clyde Canter
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

I agree about the Silver bar-end for triple cranks. My highly eccentric Bike 
Friday cockpit is a SOMA mustache-like bar (Ergon grips, I don't use the curved 
portion) with a Shimano Sora brifter for the rear and Silver bar-end for the 
front. My Itty bitty hands struggle to make front shifts by pushing a lever 
sideways, I'm much happier with the pull-up/push-down movement for front 
shifting. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

My experience is the opposite.  I've never worn out 9 speed 105 or
Ultegra brifters, but I go through a set of bar ends every year.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 12:38 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
 wrote:
> I like them a lot. I didn't go out of my way to get some, but they came on a
> used bike I bought. And, they're great! Especially for spirited off-road
> riding, when you're in the drops and don't want to let go of your grip to
> move your hand. Amazing in that application!
>
> But they do wear out significantly faster than bar-ends, and I can see how
> they're prone to ride-ending damage in a crash. I almost treat them like a
> replaceable wear item like a chain or even tires. They last longer than
> those of course, but nowhere near what bar ends (decade) or friction
> (lifetime) shifters do.
>
> Very intrigued by the Simergo 11 to 9 set set up, and will probably do that
> when my current Ultegras wear out (they're starting to shift poorly right
> now).
>
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:05:33 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
>> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
>> them up fairly regularly.
>>
>> Then something like this comes up.
>>
>> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>>
>> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than
>> what Riv sells bar-ends for...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

With the bar ends, it's more a function of sweat dripping off other
parts of my body since they are closer to the rider.  It seems to go
from my chin right on to the bar-ends fairly frequently.  With
brifters, the mechanism is much farther forwards so they seem to get
less sweat.  They do get the sweat off of your hands and arms, but
none of the sweat off of your torso.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
> On 12/10/2015 11:04 AM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
>> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
>> them up fairly regularly.
>
>
> Would you be even more likely to gum up brifters with sweat?  I mean, your
> hands are right on the levers all the time with brifters, whereas with bar
> end shifters you grab hold of the lever only when you're shifting.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

When I used brifters more often, I did simultaneous shifts all the
time, especially when transitioning from the big ring to the middle
ring.  I'd hit the button on both brifters to go to a smaller ring on
both front and back, and it would be a perfect transition every time.
Well ok one time I dropped my chain, but that was the only time I can
ever remember that happening and I'd done a similar shift hundreds if
not thousands of times.

Now, the remnants of my go-fast bike are in spare parts boxes in my garage.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 2:40 PM, jeffrey kane  wrote:
> Personally, I prefer the term dual-control lever. And while I love them --
> loved Shimano 9, loved Campy Record 10 -- I didn't like Shimano 10 and
> haven't been able to settle on a choice for a new set. I hate telling myself
> how much I like D/T shifters. I mean, I'm already a grouch but still ... I
> can't get over how much I like their ease, ergonomics and overall genius of
> design .. and I love that simultaneous one-handed front and back shifting.
> Heck, I'm currently running D/T shifters as preference over Shimano 10 dual
> control levers on my commuter bike these days ... in NYC traffic!
>
> That said, Sram has my eye. I'd like to do a 1x set up with that crazy
> 10-/42 rear cassette on my commuter ... and one day I swear I'm gonna shave
> off my cable stops and go for that e-Tap system. Come on man: just 4 parts
> and no wires, cables or housing ... just bolt 'em on, pair 'em up and go.
> But first, lets see how the pros do next season all bunched up together
> mixing up wireless signals and all. I 'm happy to wait a few years for the
> wide range mtb/touring version anyway.
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 11:05:33 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
>> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
>> them up fairly regularly.
>>
>> Then something like this comes up.
>>
>> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
>>
>> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than
>> what Riv sells bar-ends for...
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

Just tell her it's perfectly normal to keep your bikes inside when you
live in an apartment ;)

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> we just moved closer to the city in an apartment and things are a little 
> tight!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Christopher Murray

I think brifters are great if I am riding on the hoods. With any other position 
the advantage/ convenience compared to BEs is negligible (and maybe advantage 
BE). That said, I almost always ride on the hoods on my roadish bike.

Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

2015-12-10 Thread Lungimsam

I like riding free on flat pedals, no retention whatsoever.

I cannot say for sure if any component I have ever installed or removed 
on/from a bike has ever made me faster or more efficient.

I have always been a slowpoke.

Perhaps only the ultra-fit can benefit from these types of things. 

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Re: [RBW] Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Mark Reimer

I've been riding Shimano Atheena 11 spd shifters on my road bike for about 
the last 6-7 years. They have been crashed and ridden in some gnarly 
conditions and still work better than my brand new Ultegra or 105 brifters 
I've had over the years. They are SILVER and look really nice on steel 
bikes, and also have easily the most comfortable shape I've ever felt. 
Keith was right, they are miles ahead of any dedicated brake lever I've 
had. Although the Cane Creek and SRAM levers are pretty good. SRAM's are 
actually identical to their brifters, just with no shifter guts inside. 

Anyway - my point is they're both great. I love my dura ace bar ends, but 
the Campy brifters are the creme de la creme. They shift so smoothly, 
nearly never need adjustment, are comfy and look classic. 

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 4:35:08 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> With the bar ends, it's more a function of sweat dripping off other 
> parts of my body since they are closer to the rider.  It seems to go 
> from my chin right on to the bar-ends fairly frequently.  With 
> brifters, the mechanism is much farther forwards so they seem to get 
> less sweat.  They do get the sweat off of your hands and arms, but 
> none of the sweat off of your torso. 
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/10/2015 11:04 AM, Jim Bronson wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> >> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> >> them up fairly regularly. 
> > 
> > 
> > Would you be even more likely to gum up brifters with sweat?  I mean, 
> your 
> > hands are right on the levers all the time with brifters, whereas with 
> bar 
> > end shifters you grab hold of the lever only when you're shifting. 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Edwin W


>
> I'm a late adopter (like many on this list, I am sure) and have never used 
> brifters, but I like reading about others' experiences. One question: what 
> is the beef with the term "brifter"?


Always getting educated on this list, 1x8, shifting with a bar end and 
never really tempted by "brifters",

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread Eddie Flayer

tongue in cheek, but to some degree I think the term Luddite is apropos in 
this conversation. Of course bar ends and downtubes are just fine, but the 
dual control lever is a work of engineering art all to itself. Maybe we 
should call them paddle shifters. Me thinks a great invention. To each 
their own.


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> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Albastache vs moustache, haters, likers

2015-12-10 Thread Jeff Lesperance

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:07 AM, clyde canter 
wrote:

> Do you like the Albastache and not the moustache?
> If so why?
>
>
I tried moustache bars twice on a couple different bikes several years ago,
and I tried to love them, I wanted to love them, but I could never get
comfortable on them for more than short rides around the hood. I struggled
to find a height, angle and reach for them that didn't represent discomfort
in some way. I recently built up an AHH with albastache bars as I was
hoping they would represent the answer to my problems of the past. They
worked well for almost everything. I rode them on my short commute for
a few weeks and found that I rather enjoyed them. Then I took them on an
s24o over ~120 miles and they stopped working well when I got a bit
fatigued or just less careful about my bike posture.

I recently traded the albastache bars out for my favorite bar, a 46cm Nitto
noodle, and I'm happy and comfy again at any distance. If I had a dedicated
short-distance/townie bike, I'd probably embrace the albastache, but I like
the option to mix longer day or multi-day rides on my primary bikes, and I
think the moustache/albastache just isn't a long-distance bar for me.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

I think the reason i use "brifter" is because I'm too lazy to type out
"dual control lever".  Perhaps if we used an acronym?  DCL?

"I decided to go with DCL instead of bar-ends"

perhaps?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Eddie Flayer  wrote:
> tongue in cheek, but to some degree I think the term Luddite is apropos in
> this conversation. Of course bar ends and downtubes are just fine, but the
> dual control lever is a work of engineering art all to itself. Maybe we
> should call them paddle shifters. Me thinks a great invention. To each their
> own.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 8:05:33 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat
>> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum
>> them up fairly regularly.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

2015-12-10 Thread Patrick Moore

I am very definitely not among the ultra fit, but even I like retention of
some sort when riding fixed, for fear of losing the pedal at some critical
moment; I daresay one could get used to riding fixed without retention,
though.

But: one *other *little advantage to retention, at least I find this to be
so: you *can to* (at least briefly) pull back and up on pedals when using
clips/straps or clipless, and I find this useful when I want a bit of extra
power to negotiate a rise, or to accelerate, or when I'm climbing a very
steep hill. (In fact, when climbing very steep hills in a relatively high
gear -- standing and grunting at =< 30 rpm -- even clips/straps require
cleats and tight straps, at least I find that so; I used to either pull my
shoes out of the straps or my feet out of the shoes -- slip ons -- when so
climbing with straps but no cleats.)

Now, I'm either riding fixed, or I'm riding a multispeed with my preferred
high torque, low cadence pedaling style, so if you tend to sit and twiddle,
these benefits are, at least, much attenuated.

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> Perhaps only the ultra-fit can benefit from [such things as retention on
> pedals].
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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

2015-12-10 Thread William deRosset

>Next, let's talk about whether your bicycle is "standing" on the spokes on 
the bottom of the wheel or "hanging" from the spokes on the top! 

Dear Eric,

Cool! Pluck the spokes of your very evenly tensioned wheel on Earth, with 
the tires deflated, the wheels supporting the bike on the ground and a 
touring load (five bags of cat litter or a couple of sandbags work well 
too--as long as you can balance the load well) and you can tell us whatcha 
find--if you've got decent ears! I strongly suspect the result will be the 
same without regard to your pedal choice. 

All of my wheels sound like discarded props from the *Triplets of 
Belleville* and all my local bikes have SPD pedals these days, so I don't 
have the means to perform the experiment here. 

Besides I pedal squares with flats. Besides, I rode a fixed wheel from 
December to March for many years, and ended up being much more comfortable 
riding with clips/straps and, after the ski-binding revolution, "clipless 
(a pretty thorough misnomer--strapless is more like it)", and thence to 
walkable cleats (ATACs and SPDs). I have a set of flat pedals for guests, 
and I install them on their chosen bike while they visit

Cheers,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 11:31:56 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I gave flat pedals the old college try recently when I bought a Brompton. 
> It didn't take long to discover that I like the feeling of clipless pedals 
> better. I'm familiar with the arguments in favor of flat pedals, but I just 
> find clipped-in riding to be more comfortable. (That's an opinion, by the 
> way, not a fact.) 
>
> --Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> > On Dec 9, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Abcyclehank > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Relevant Yes!  Productive? Pedal/crank theory probably follows only 
> helmet use, gun advocacy/control, abortion/pro-life, and coffee production 
> techniques.  Let the games begin.  Personally I enjoy the opinionated 
> banter. 
> > 
> > Ryan 
> > West Michigan. 
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[RBW] WTT for or WTB 62 Hunq frameset

2015-12-10 Thread LeahFoy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

"Brifter" is a mashup of BRake lever and shIFTER. I'm pretty sure it was 
invented by Grant, and not intended to be a denigrating label. It's simply a 
way to call them something without using "STI" or a long phrase like 
"integrated brake/shift lever."

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[RBW] Re: Do you ever find yourself tempted by brifters?

2015-12-10 Thread 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch

I have used Ultegra 9speed that I didn't like much for their hand shape, or 
lack thereof. I switched to Campy 11 speed that matches perfectly with 
Shimano 9 speed derailer and cassette. I like them a lot in spite of my 
aversion to Campy in general. But when I get on my LHT with downtube 
friction 8 speed, I wonder why I fuss with brifters. I like riding a 
fretless bike. So far this season I keep choosing the LHT for road rides 
for its downtube friction shifters (and fenders, and load carrying 
capacity).

Joe Ramey in GJT

On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 9:05:33 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I find myself re-thinking my allegiance to bar-ends, because I sweat 
> so much between May and September riding here in Texas, that I gum 
> them up fairly regularly. 
>
> Then something like this comes up. 
>
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=YS-ST4600-BASE&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053&langId=-1&utm_source=nashbar&utm_medium=email&utm_content=151210Th&utm_campaign=Products&cm_mmc=Email-_-nashbar-_-151210Th-_-Products&cm_em=jim.bron...@gmail.com&spMailingID=12498453&spUserID=NjA1MzcwOTY2NDES1&spJobID=643355659&spReportId=NjQzMzU1NjU5S0
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>
> And I find myself feeling conflicted.  This is only a little more than 
> what Riv sells bar-ends for... 
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Re: [RBW] "Stop pulling up on your pedals"

2015-12-10 Thread William deRosset

>From the article:
"When you last rode your bike with flat shoes, or your pub cruiser / fixie, 
did your foot keep lifting off the pedal through the back of the stroke? Do 
your cleats actually allow you to add more power through the back of the 
stroke or simply make you feel like you have better contact with your bike?"

My experience is: "Yes, until I adjusted to just pushing down" and 
"Probably the latter."

Best,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO
 

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

2015-12-10 Thread BSWP

Folks, I kid you not:

"We at *Rivendell Ranch* love the *Appaloosa* though we work successfully 
with many other breeds. Our desire is to breed Appaloosas with the right 
temperment for the *Family*, *Amateur*, and *Non-pro* that have the 
conformation and athletic ability the *Professionals* will want to excel in 
endurance or up the levels at any sporthorse discipline. Our horses are 
very *friendly*, *willing*, and *learn quickly* in addition to being 
*competitive* in the show ring and out on trail." 

http://www.rivendellranch.com/

Who knew?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

2015-12-10 Thread Patrick Kelly

Thanks Bill! This is giving me the happy feels. I'm hoping it's built
up and ready for a test ride next time I'm in the neighborhood. Maybe
a very long test ride. :)

chee-hoo!!

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
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> "I'm wondering if this is another 51, or if this one is a 55. If I were
> able to actually read the tire size on the big bens to see if it's a
> 650b or 700c wheel, that would answer the question. "
>
> I took the rear wheel shot and measured the seat tube length, the chainstay
> length and the wheel radius.  It's close but I think that's a 55, because
> the seat tube (center to top) is a tiny bit longer than the chainstay
> length.  If it was a 51, the seat tube length would be a tiny bit smaller
> than the chainstay length.  I could be wrong though with my imprecise
> measuring.
>
> Bill
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: TA zephyr triple crankset for sale,w/ Phil wood bb and TA chainrings

Oh yea. The Atlantis has its own bedroom 

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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC Rivs

2015-12-10 Thread Kainalu

2 more slots available for January 29th's wheel building seminar, I'm signed 
up, get it while you can
http://www.718c.com/free-classes
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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?