[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

[lum gim fong]

Wait..I thought ultra riding was supposed to be bad for you?!?!?!

Another new health zeitgeist debunked!

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[Joe Bernard]

The listing is gone a few hours after I asked for current pics. Much weirdness 
going on there. 

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Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Ash,

Great that you ordered an Appa, but no reason to put the old horse out to 
pasture when there is really nothing wrong with the bike other than it has 
not been setup to fit your current situation. 

I had a neck problem develop after sitting at a computer for years combined 
with riding a racing setup with bars well below saddle. My neck could no 
longer take being in the "crane neck" position. 
 After much research about bike fit and discovering that traditionally 
cyclists did not ride a racing setup but used what is now referred to as a 
French Fit.That helped me learn how to make most properly sized frames bit 
me comfortably. Properly size frame, stem length/angle to get 
proper/comfortable position on bike. Saddle position is much more a 
personal preference and should not be used in an attempt to get a bike to 
fit and even then, saddle shape and angle have a lot to do with being 
comfortable.

That is to say, your bars are too low, partly because the stem is flipped 
into the downward position. That stem is a 6 degree stem, so flipping it 
over will raise the bars a few mm.
 Using a 17 degree rise stem would raise your bars a good bit. You could 
even get a longish 25 degree rise stem that would give the dirt drop stem 
effect. There are online stem calculators that will give you the amount of 
vertical and horizontal difference that stem length/rise can give. 

Enjoy the new Appa with Alba bars, but make the Raleigh fit properly with 
the correct stem. More bikes is a good thing!

Cheers,
Bill in wintery Roswell, GA

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 6:08:35 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>
> Rode the Raleigh 21 miles to work today.  My neck is not a happy camper 
> today.  Can't wait to ride like I want to ride once the Appaloosa arrives!
>
> I'm going to try the seat adjustment you suggested before I ride 
> back.http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/04/508213332/105-year-old-cyclist-rides-14-miles-in-an-hour-en-route-to-a-world-recordro
>
>
> Here's picture of the Raleigh (more 
> https://goo.gl/photos/Ha4YXYY7WoPgZgVw8)
>
>
> -Ash
>
>
> On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:04:21 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Please post photos of the built Appaloosa and of the Ace. The Appaloosa 
>> is one of the Rivs I'd like to own, along with (in order of seriousness) 
>> the Roadeo, the Hunq, the Atlantis, and the Legolas. The A would come in 
>> about here.
>>
>> And who doesn't want to own a new/old Raleigh?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[drew]

Yeah the guy with the flickr says it's a 58cm, this is listed as a 54cm. My 
point about the pictured components was that the saddle, crank, grips (don't 
think they are mieshas), front derailer, etc. are not the same as the ones 
listed. Could just be an old photo I guess... 

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[Patrick Shea]

I just sent a note to see if this thing is still around. I watched a guy
start and finish the 2007 PBP on a set-up just like this (before front
baskets were cool.) A great deal. if true; I miss my All-Rounder!

Cheers,
Patrick

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Note - the flickr photo is from 2008!
>
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:53:02 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Well I found the photo elsewhere, so now who knows. I did email the CL
>> post to inquire
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/velotramp/2676690860
>>
>> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:48:48 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>>
>>> Misspellings are fairly common and I don't know if anyone but a Riv
>>> acolyte would know those are Meisha grips and use the Sheldon spelling for
>>> "derailer." It's a great deal. I'm so relieved it's not my size...
>>
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[RBW] Rivelo

[Eric Norris]

My daughter and I had a fun visit to Rivelo today--John and Darby were there, 
and I took the opportunity to fly my drone for some aerial photography. 

Here's a shot of the Portland Riv outpost from about 100 feet in the air:


(see full image)

Thanks to both Darby and Kohn for making us feel very special!

–Eric N

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In the end, though, it's not that complicated. I believe the advice is 
"shop the fringes" or something like that. That's where all the unprocessed 
foods are--vegetables, fruits, fish, meat, eggs, cheese. I like to get as 
much of that as possible at my farmer's market or from my neighbors. 
Curious why you have sugar in all your foods and drinks. For stuff that you 
find you really do not want to do without it, there are other alternatives 
that are less damaging, and don't spike your insulin so quickly, like honey 
(tea, cookie recipes) or maple syrup (yogurt, oatmeal) or coconut oil (Wasa 
crispbread, scrambled eggs, brussel sprouts, ). A teaspoon of sugar in 
your coffee each day isn't the end of the world, though as Patrick says, I 
find that after a couple of days, half and half adds plenty of sweetness. 
Beacon right now has great municipal water. If I were in Flint, I might 
choose bottled (unless it was locally bottled--lots of bottled water is 
municipal.)

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 8:44:52 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> This is exactly why I can't believe any of the championed diets of today: 
> pro-sugar, pro-fat, no-fat, paleo, vegan, organic, Saccharin, stevia, 
> caveman diet, bottled water, municipal water, etc...
>
> Bad human behavior like this has made it hard for me to believe anything 
> "they" say.
>
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 8:10:04 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> In case you missed this:
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html?_r=0
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:47:06 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>>>
>>> If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks 
>>> with?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The L.D stem.
  
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 This might help Ash, on the Raleigh...
I bought one, to build a bike around...lol. 
Clayton (Bend) 

On Friday, January 6, 2017 3:07 PM, Ash A  wrote:
 

 Rode the Raleigh 21 miles to work today.  My neck is not a happy camper today. 
 Can't wait to ride like I want to ride once the Appaloosa arrives!
I'm going to try the seat adjustment you suggested before I ride back.

Here's picture of the Raleigh (more https://goo.gl/photos/ Ha4YXYY7WoPgZgVw8)



-Ash

On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:04:21 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
Please post photos of the built Appaloosa and of the Ace. The Appaloosa is one 
of the Rivs I'd like to own, along with (in order of seriousness) the Roadeo, 
the Hunq, the Atlantis, and the Legolas. The A would come in about here.
And who doesn't want to own a new/old Raleigh?
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  wrote:

Patrick,
I'll play with saddle position as well (as I said, I'm experimenting).  Thanks 
for the idea.  Although my issue is less with arms and more with the neck.  
Using typical drop bar position feels similar (to my neck) to watching a TV 
mounted 25 ft above the floor during the entire ride.  
Also thanks for bringing up safety part.  It might be a significant factor for 
some riders out there who are thinking using stem extender.  For my use though 
it does not *feel* like there is a safety issue.  The upright position 
significantly reduces the amount of weight that goes on the handlebar. Also, my 
rides are mostly on flat roads.  I never exceed 15mph.    With the stem and the 
extender both tucked all the way down, the setup is probably sturdy enough.  
(which won't be the case I were to be climbing hills or riding fast downhill).
A better suitable bike frame is on the way, btw.  I've ordered an Appaloosa 
frame.  Nitto Dirt Drop stem + ChocoNORM bar combination works great for me on 
that (based on the test ride).   I acquired a Raleigh Record Ace from a friend, 
which I'm planning on using for occasional fast rides.
Chees,
-Ash

On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 07:14:03 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
I'm glad the bar is comfortable, but it's too high: first, is it safe? I ask 
that question very seriously. With the extender and then the long quill toward 
the end of its travel, you are going to torque those joints far more than 
usual, and perhaps to the point of some sort of failure.
Second, if you want a bar that high, you really need a very different frame, 
one with a much higher head tube. When you go to such an extreme measure as on 
your Bianchi, you know right away that you are trying to make a silk purse out 
of something else.
And third, there are other ways of getting torso/neck/arm/hand comfort than 
merely by raising the bar to an extreme height. It goes against the 
imagination, but often (I don't say always), putting your saddle further back, 
so that your core takes over the work of holding up your shoulders and head, is 
the first step in setting up a bicycle comfortably. You'll notice that bikes 
designed for very high bars, like the Dutch city bike, also have very, very 
slack seat tube angles, and I don't think that this is merely coincidence.
All of this is entirely removed from any question of a "racing" position. (Note 
too that the drop bar design is among the oldest around because it has been 
proved one of the most comfortable when properly set up.)
I chose the 2 images below at random and only afterward noticed that both show 
Velo Orange bikes.
I don't mean merely to be critical. You will do yourself a real favor by 
finding either a more effective way to get comfort, or else, a very different 
design that does safely allow such an extreme bar position.




On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  wrote:

When I wondered about usability of brifters on Albastache/Mustache type bars 
sometime ago, I couldn't find much info on interwebs. 
I decided to get an Albastache anyway and give it a try.  Turns out it works ok 
with Campy brifters.  Shimano/SRAM brifters aren't likely as suitable since  
they don't have the thumb button. 
I was happy to trade slightly reduced brifter usability for increased usable 
handlebar positions that Albastache offers (in 3 years of riding this road 
bike, I had never  felt the need to use the lower part of drop bars. I did, 
however,  frequently looked for ways to be upright).  Folks optimizing for 
speed may feel differently.   
Next experiment was handlebar height.  

I've never felt uncomfortable to grab a spoon or use fingers, if I thought 
those options were more optimal when everyone else was using chopsticks or 
forks.  Proliferation of skinny fashion didn't make me change my jeans.  And so 
on.  I 

[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[lum gim fong]

Patrick,

This is exactly why I can't believe any of the championed diets of today: 
pro-sugar, pro-fat, no-fat, paleo, vegan, organic, Saccharin, stevia, 
caveman diet, bottled water, municipal water, etc...

Bad human behavior like this has made it hard for me to believe anything 
"they" say.


On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 8:10:04 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> In case you missed this:
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html?_r=0
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:47:06 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks 
>> with?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: battery powered taillight tinkering

[Deacon Patrick]

Shiny!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:52:22 PM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>
>
> If you have access to a lathe and some free time on your hands I highly 
> recommend this as a project. The whole thing only took about an hour and 
> would be even easier and faster if it were designed to bolt onto one of the 
> many hourglass shaped braze-ons which are plentiful on most Rivs these days.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Steve
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

For my morning coffee (or green tea), I usually add coconut oil. It's 
tasty, and the good fat sustains me for the rest of the morning -- plus, I 
get my lips moisturized!  ; )

Bob E.

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Deacon Patrick]

In case you missed this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-industry-shifted-blame-to-fat.html?_r=0

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:47:06 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks 
> with?
>

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[RBW] Re: battery powered taillight tinkering

[Anton Tutter]

Well done!!!

Anton
velolumino.com


On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:52:22 PM UTC-5, S. Greco wrote:
>
> I acquired a strange frame recently (650B Pedimoto Triple Triangle) which 
> had a braze-on for a taillight on the back of the seat tube. I didn't have 
> a dyno-hub wheel set for the bike, so I was on the hunt for a battery 
> powered one. To my knowledge, the only one available is from Boulder 
> Bicycle? I ordered one, but when it arrived I realized that it was threaded 
>  M6  frame was drilled and tapped for M5 - it seemed unwise to drill out 
> and re-tap the frame, so I gave it to a friend. He remarked that it was 
> funny that it matched the custom-made taillight on his Tournesol - slightly 
> different housing but same electronics and lens. Looking through the 
> paperwork that came with the Boulder Lamp it included instructions for the 
> re-housed innards which are . . . a Road ID Supernova.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone else has done this, or seen this lens on other 
> custom lights?
> The Road ID is great on its on - bright, lasts long, clips onto anything, 
> comes in a few colors if you're into that, and you can choose between 
> always-on and blinky by flipping the battery orientation. Oh, and it's only 
> 14.99 from your local amazon store : )
>
> To be clear, i'm not knocking anyone. I think its a pretty ingenious find 
> / starting point for a lamp project.
> Armed with this knowledge I simply bought the Road ID light, machined off 
> the clip and turned my own housing on a lathe.
>
> The Boulder Bicycle taillight:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> The "RoadID Supernova" :
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> My new taillight : 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> If you have access to a lathe and some free time on your hands I highly 
> recommend this as a project. The whole thing only took about an hour and 
> would be even easier and faster if it were designed to bolt onto one of the 
> many hourglass shaped braze-ons which are plentiful on most Rivs these days.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Steve
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

[Tim Butterfield]

For hot tea, no sugar is needed once you get used to it.  I occasionally
put in a little honey if I'm desperate for sweetener or fighting off a
cold, but I usually have hot tea straight.  This is for hot black teas and
white teas, not just the flavored kinds.  I normally drink Dragon Black
Pearl tea, getting 3-5 individual cups steeped from two pearls.  You could
also try steeping with a cinnamon stick for some flavor or add the juice
from 1/4 of a lemon.  For cold teas, which I do not often have living now
in the PNW, I still prefer those sweetened, but that could just be habit
from living in the south for a long time.  Some stevia might work also
though I have not really investigated it.

Tim

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:47 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks
> with?
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[Belopsky]

Note - the flickr photo is from 2008!

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:53:02 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Well I found the photo elsewhere, so now who knows. I did email the CL 
> post to inquire
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/velotramp/2676690860
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:48:48 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Misspellings are fairly common and I don't know if anyone but a Riv 
>> acolyte would know those are Meisha grips and use the Sheldon spelling for 
>> "derailer." It's a great deal. I'm so relieved it's not my size...
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[Belopsky]

Well I found the photo elsewhere, so now who knows. I did email the CL post 
to inquire

https://www.flickr.com/photos/velotramp/2676690860

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:48:48 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Misspellings are fairly common and I don't know if anyone but a Riv 
> acolyte would know those are Meisha grips and use the Sheldon spelling for 
> "derailer." It's a great deal. I'm so relieved it's not my size...

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Misspellings are fairly common and I don't know if anyone but a Riv acolyte 
would know those are Meisha grips and use the Sheldon spelling for "derailer." 
It's a great deal. I'm so relieved it's not my size...

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Christopher Cote]

Drink it black. I can't stand sweet drinks anymore. Still like candy and 
chocolate, though. That's my weakness.

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks 
> with?
>

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[RBW] assessing smooth tread tire wear

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If it's a treadless tire, then calipers may be the only way to know for certain 
how thin the rubber has gotten. Or to perhaps inspect closely with a bright 
light and magnifying lens (I have admittedly old eyes, maybe you don't need the 
lens) to look for evidence of fibers showing through the rubber. I agree that 
waiting for an increase in flats is pretty inconvenient. I prefer to replace 
too early rather than too late.

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[RBW] assessing smooth tread tire wear

[lum gim fong]

Compass says that for their tires once the center tread wears off you have 1000 
miles left. Or was that kilometers? Nevertheless,  I went more, coronally 
bisected the tire, looked, and I still had a good mm of center tread left. No 
rise in flat frequency.

 Sheldon Brown said:
"
it's your money, but if you are mainly concerned with safety/function, there 
are only two reasons for replacing old tires:

When the tread is worn so thin that you start getting a lot of flats from small 
pieces of glass and the like, or the fabric shows through the rubber.
When the tire's fabric has been damaged, so that the tire has a lumpy, 
irregular appearance somewhere, or the tube bulges through the tire.
Cracks in the tread are harmless. Small punctures in the tire such as are 
typically caused by nails, tacks, thorns or glass slivers are also harmless to 
the tire, since the tire doesn't need to be air-tight.
Gumwall tires sometimes get unsightly blistering on the sidewalls from ozone 
damage. (This is frequently caused by storing the bike near a furnace--the 
powerful electric motors in typical furnaces can put a fair amount of ozone 
into the air.) This blistering is ugly, but doesn't actually compromise the 
safety/reliability of the tire in the least."

Thats all I know. But do whatever makes you feel safest.

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

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I rarely use sweeteners, but when I do, it's usually a little xylitol. I 
make sure it's made from natural sources (like hardwood trees or similar, 
not made in some Monsanto lab). It's naturally preventative for tooth 
decay, much lower in calories, and doesn't cause an insulin spike like 
sugar does. You do need to be careful if you have a dog, however, as it is 
toxic to dogs.

Eamon

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 1:47:06 PM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:

> If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks 
> with?
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[RBW] assessing smooth tread tire wear

[ted]

Hey All,

How does one best determine when a smooth tread tire, like a Jack Brown or 
Soma GR, is worn too thin?
The other weekend I found I had exceeded the lifetime of a Soma GR tire 
when a flat seemed to be from wearing through it.
That seems like something I'd rather not do that way. Certainly I'd rather 
not do it that way with the Jack Browns on my SO (on which I sometimes 
commute).
Sooo, whats the right way?

note, going off an increasing rate of flats doesn't seem to work for me.

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Re: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Stevia and xylitol? Recommended for low carb...

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[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

[Ash A]

Ha ha!

Apparently he got serious about cycling only when he reached 68.   Guess he 
didn't have enough time until then.   I'd rather be cycling than golfing 
when I retire.



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>
> Well, I've got 49 years to train and I'm gonna break his record...Allez! 
> Allez!

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ash A]

True.  Flannel lining isn't 'layering'

I meant layering for the upper body.



On Friday, 6 January 2017 16:02:08 UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Great way to go! Except that flannel lines pants are't layering in the 
> sense that if conditions or needs change as you ride, you have an option to 
> remove a layer (or add one). A more flexible approach is to wear long johns 
> under your jeans. Get too hot because the wind dies, or sun comes out? Just 
> ride in jeans.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:19:48 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> While still deciding on which long term pants to get, I needed something 
>> in a hurry for today's 40+ mile ride in 34 to 48 degree temperature range. 
>>  Looked up bunch of local store websites.  Target had flannel lined chinos. 
>>http://www.target.com/p/-/A-51244786
>>
>> It cost me only $13 in the store, but while biking in 34 degrees, it felt 
>> like a big upgrade from my regular jeans.   
>>
>> At the end of today's ride what I learned is that layering right is an 
>> art!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:42:19 UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>>>
>>> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, 
>>> I feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
>>> (typically an hour or so).  
>>>
>>> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be 
>>> they are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't 
>>> feel are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>>>
>>> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
>>> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
>>> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Deacon Patrick]

Great way to go! Except that flannel lines pants are't layering in the 
sense that if conditions or needs change as you ride, you have an option to 
remove a layer (or add one). A more flexible approach is to wear long johns 
under your jeans. Get too hot because the wind dies, or sun comes out? Just 
ride in jeans.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:19:48 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
> While still deciding on which long term pants to get, I needed something 
> in a hurry for today's 40+ mile ride in 34 to 48 degree temperature range. 
>  Looked up bunch of local store websites.  Target had flannel lined chinos. 
>http://www.target.com/p/-/A-51244786
>
> It cost me only $13 in the store, but while biking in 34 degrees, it felt 
> like a big upgrade from my regular jeans.   
>
> At the end of today's ride what I learned is that layering right is an art!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:42:19 UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, 
>> I feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
>> (typically an hour or so).  
>>
>> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be 
>> they are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't 
>> feel are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>>
>> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
>> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
>> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

[Eric Daume]

Maybe someday they will invent an artificial sweetener that doesn't have
any sugar.

On Friday, January 6, 2017, lum gim fong  wrote:

> but my question was  not all joke, as I was legitimately wondering what
> people use as sugar substitutes.
>
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[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, I've got 49 years to train and I'm gonna break his record...Allez! Allez!

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[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

[Ryan Fleming]

yes...it is truly humbling...quite a remarkable fellow; that's for sure 

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
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> Ryan,
>
> That guy is almost twice your age 
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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ash A]

While still deciding on which long term pants to get, I needed something in 
a hurry for today's 40+ mile ride in 34 to 48 degree temperature range. 
 Looked up bunch of local store websites.  Target had flannel lined chinos. 
   http://www.target.com/p/-/A-51244786

It cost me only $13 in the store, but while biking in 34 degrees, it felt 
like a big upgrade from my regular jeans.   

At the end of today's ride what I learned is that layering right is an art!



On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 21:42:19 UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>
> This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
> feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
> (typically an hour or so).  
>
> I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
> are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
> are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  
>
> Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
> shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
> protection while riding.   Thank you!
>

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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Ryan Fleming]

geez what an idiot...rough day. latest BLAHG has some pictures of my new 
mixte...still not quite rideable yet but.you get the idea ...apologies 
for earlier blank post

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:29:27 PM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:36:11 AM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>>
>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>
>> Happy new year , everyone !
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

[Ash A]

Rode the Raleigh 21 miles to work today.  My neck is not a happy camper 
today.  Can't wait to ride like I want to ride once the Appaloosa arrives!

I'm going to try the seat adjustment you suggested before I ride back.


Here's picture of the Raleigh (more https://goo.gl/photos/Ha4YXYY7WoPgZgVw8)




-Ash


On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:04:21 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Please post photos of the built Appaloosa and of the Ace. The Appaloosa is 
> one of the Rivs I'd like to own, along with (in order of seriousness) the 
> Roadeo, the Hunq, the Atlantis, and the Legolas. The A would come in about 
> here.
>
> And who doesn't want to own a new/old Raleigh?
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  > wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> I'll play with saddle position as well (as I said, I'm experimenting).  
>> Thanks for the idea.  Although my issue is less with arms and more with the 
>> neck.  Using typical drop bar position feels similar (to my neck) to 
>> watching a TV mounted 25 ft above the floor during the entire ride.  
>>
>> Also thanks for bringing up safety part.  It might be a significant 
>> factor for some riders out there who are thinking using stem extender.  For 
>> my use though it does not *feel* like there is a safety issue.  The upright 
>> position significantly reduces the amount of weight that goes on the 
>> handlebar. Also, my rides are mostly on flat roads.  I never exceed 15mph. 
>>With the stem and the extender both tucked all the way down, the setup 
>> is probably sturdy enough.  (which won't be the case I were to be climbing 
>> hills or riding fast downhill).
>>
>> A better suitable bike frame is on the way, btw.  I've ordered an 
>> Appaloosa frame.  Nitto Dirt Drop stem + ChocoNORM bar combination works 
>> great for me on that (based on the test ride).   I acquired a Raleigh 
>> Record Ace from a friend, which I'm planning on using for occasional fast 
>> rides.
>>
>> Chees,
>>
>> -Ash
>>
>> On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 07:14:03 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm glad the bar is comfortable, but it's too high: first, is it safe? I 
>>> ask that question very seriously. With the extender and then the long quill 
>>> toward the end of its travel, you are going to torque those joints far more 
>>> than usual, and perhaps to the point of some sort of failure.
>>>
>>> Second, if you want a bar that high, you really need a very different 
>>> frame, one with a much higher head tube. When you go to such an extreme 
>>> measure as on your Bianchi, you know right away that you are trying to make 
>>> a silk purse out of something else.
>>>
>>> And third, there are other ways of getting torso/neck/arm/hand comfort 
>>> than merely by raising the bar to an extreme height. It goes against the 
>>> imagination, but often (I don't say always), putting your saddle further 
>>> back, so that your core takes over the work of holding up your shoulders 
>>> and head, is the first step in setting up a bicycle comfortably. You'll 
>>> notice that bikes designed for very high bars, like the Dutch city bike, 
>>> also have very, very slack seat tube angles, and I don't think that this is 
>>> merely coincidence.
>>>
>>> All of this is entirely removed from any question of a "racing" 
>>> position. (Note too that the drop bar design is among the oldest around 
>>> because it has been proved one of the most comfortable when properly set 
>>> up.)
>>>
>>> I chose the 2 images below at random and only afterward noticed that 
>>> both show Velo Orange bikes.
>>>
>>> I don't mean merely to be critical. You will do yourself a real favor by 
>>> finding either a more effective way to get comfort, or else, a very 
>>> different design that does safely allow such an extreme bar position.
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 When I wondered about usability of brifters on Albastache/Mustache 
 type bars sometime ago, I couldn't find much info on interwebs. 

 I decided to get an Albastache anyway and give it a try.  Turns out it 
 works ok with Campy brifters.  Shimano/SRAM brifters aren't likely as 
 suitable since  they don't have the thumb button. 

 I was happy to trade slightly reduced brifter usability for increased 
 usable handlebar positions that Albastache offers (in 3 years of riding 
 this road bike, I had never  felt the need to use the lower part of drop 
 bars. I did, however,  frequently looked for ways to be upright).  Folks 
 optimizing for speed may feel differently.   

 Next experiment was handlebar height.  

 I've never felt uncomfortable to grab a spoon or use fingers, if I 
 thought those options were more optimal when everyone else was using 
 chopsticks or forks.  Proliferation of skinny fashion didn't make me 
 change 
 my jeans.  And so 

Re: [RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/06/2017 05:44 PM, lum gim fong wrote:
My question was partially a joke, as many people say not to consume 
something or face the tragic consequences.


Modern western nutrition advice is like a never ending, flowing field 
of ever changing zeitgeists.


Hard to sort through it all to see what is really true about nutrition.

Hi fat, low fat, no sugar, coffee causes cancer, oops... now it 
doesn't! Who's backing which research, etc. Broccoli causes cancer,, 
whoops, now it doesn't...





Ride what you like, eat what you like?


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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[Belopsky]

Can anyone proxy? I know a buyer.

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 5:55:36 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> hmm. i always find it fishy when the person cant spell the name of the 
> bike that has the name spelled on it, and list different components than 
> the ones in the photo. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[lum gim fong]

~ 5mm on each side of fork blades
~3mm on each side of chainstays 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[drew]

hmm. i always find it fishy when the person cant spell the name of the bike 
that has the name spelled on it, and list different components than the 
ones in the photo. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Eric Floden]

Honey is great in tea, yum

It is in my cuppa lapsang souchong right now

Eric
Vancouver

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[lum gim fong]

but my question was  not all joke, as I was legitimately wondering what 
people use as sugar substitutes. 

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[dstein]

drink lots of water. i gave up sugar in my coffee and tea and i also gave 
up cola's years ago, never looked back. Then i gave up caffeine and dammed 
if i can't find a good reason to go hang out in a coffee shop now (yeah i 
know, there's herbal tea and decaf coffee, but not a fan of either, well 
that's more money for bike stuff at least).

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[lum gim fong]

My question was partially a joke, as many people say not to consume 
something or face the tragic consequences.

Modern western nutrition advice is like a never ending, flowing field of 
ever changing zeitgeists.

Hard to sort through it all to see what is really true about nutrition.

Hi fat, low fat, no sugar, coffee causes cancer, oops... now it doesn't! 
Who's backing which research, etc. Broccoli causes cancer,, whoops, now it 
doesn't...




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[RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Ryan Fleming]

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:36:11 AM UTC-6, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped
>
> Hopefully you can view these. 
>
> Happy new year , everyone !
>

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Deacon Patrick]

The more your body is addicted to sugar, the harder the transition, but fat 
is very satisfying. It takes time for your tastebuds and taste satisfaction 
triggers (via the amigdila I think?) to reset themselves to unprocessed 
food. When they do, wow, do flavors pop! Perhaps break the addiction by not 
having tea at all, but just having a mug of cream? Yum.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks 
> with?
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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Ian A]

For food and smoothies etc., I like to use dates for sweetener. Unsweetened 
coconut flakes are naturally really sweet and also healthy and good with 
various different foods  Ground sesame seeds also add sweetness. For 
coffee, I use organic cane sugar, but only a small amount typically. Tea I 
drink without sweetener, but something like agave syrup might work.

 I have used and liked a lot agave (cactus) syrup.  Maple syrup also 
actually works as sweetener, but I don't particularly enjoy it.

I think organic cane sugar is a good step away from commercial sugar if 
nothing else works for you.

Ian A/Canada

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Cream.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

[Garth]

Isn't it good enouh as it is ?   You like it with sugar, great . what does 
some guy have to do with that ?  

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[lum gim fong]

Can't do coffee. I like coffee but it don't like me.

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[RBW] Re: So what do I put in my tea now?

[sameness]

Black coffee.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] battery powered taillight tinkering

[S. Greco]

I acquired a strange frame recently (650B Pedimoto Triple Triangle) which 
had a braze-on for a taillight on the back of the seat tube. I didn't have 
a dyno-hub wheel set for the bike, so I was on the hunt for a battery 
powered one. To my knowledge, the only one available is from Boulder 
Bicycle? I ordered one, but when it arrived I realized that it was threaded 
 M6  frame was drilled and tapped for M5 - it seemed unwise to drill out 
and re-tap the frame, so I gave it to a friend. He remarked that it was 
funny that it matched the custom-made taillight on his Tournesol - slightly 
different housing but same electronics and lens. Looking through the 
paperwork that came with the Boulder Lamp it included instructions for the 
re-housed innards which are . . . a Road ID Supernova.

I'm wondering if anyone else has done this, or seen this lens on other 
custom lights?
The Road ID is great on its on - bright, lasts long, clips onto anything, 
comes in a few colors if you're into that, and you can choose between 
always-on and blinky by flipping the battery orientation. Oh, and it's only 
14.99 from your local amazon store : )

To be clear, i'm not knocking anyone. I think its a pretty ingenious find / 
starting point for a lamp project.
Armed with this knowledge I simply bought the Road ID light, machined off 
the clip and turned my own housing on a lathe.

The Boulder Bicycle taillight:





The "RoadID Supernova" :






My new taillight : 





If you have access to a lathe and some free time on your hands I highly 
recommend this as a project. The whole thing only took about an hour and 
would be even easier and faster if it were designed to bolt onto one of the 
many hourglass shaped braze-ons which are plentiful on most Rivs these days.


Cheers,

- Steve



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[RBW] So what do I put in my tea now?

[lum gim fong]

If Taubes is right, then what do I replace sugar in all my foods/drinks 
with?

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[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

[lum gim fong]

No paleo, fat, meat only diet for him I guess. 

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[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

[lum gim fong]

Ryan,

That guy is almost twice your age 

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[RBW] Re: biking @ 105

[Ryan Fleming]

I'm 64 and 14mph is a good day for me and doesn't happen that often, truth 
be told. 

Still for us aging baby boomers (like me) , it does give you something to 
hope for...note that he eats lots of fruits and veggies, doesn't smoke, 
doesn't drink except for occasional glass of vino,gets enough sleep...all 
the stuff are moms told us:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/105-year-old-robert-marchand-makes-cycling-history/article33488845/
 




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> That is impressive!  I hope to be riding that well at 65, let alone 105!  

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[lum gim fong]

Regarding size and ride performance:

I had a 55 Bleriot.
I then got a 53 Bleriot.
I think there was a 3 pound diff in the bikes. The 53 being heavier.
The motor weighed the same. Just a year older.

The 53 was much better riding quality and quicker feeling and better 
steering. Felt easier to control under me. Both bikes had similar builds. 
Drops. Rivish builds.
I wondered if it was possible that a frame too big for you cannot be 
man-handled as easily and run as well as a size down?
Just a speculation.

 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[dstein]

That's a steal at that price. It'll likely go unnoticed for now as Atlantis 
is spelled 'Atlanta' and Riv is abbreviated (I just search for Rivendell 
and would easily miss this). If it's anyone on here you might want to 
update the listing headline.

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> No connection to me and not my size...  Came across this posting on the 
> bay area CL:  http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5947506537.html  
>
> Thought this may be of interest to someone on the list.  Struck me as a 
> great deal on a pretty stock Atlantis.  Doesn't come with the racks but 
> still seemed to be a great price.  I might have been tempted myself if it 
> had been my size.
>
> Best,
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Ryan Fleming]

so if you want to still ride a riv and you enjow the riv riding qualities 
...then maybe as others said..sniff around for a Roadeo or try a Roadini . 

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:49:11 PM UTC-6, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Bill, thanks for the  thoughts. I actually do think the type of bike is 
> good for me, because I regularly haul heavy groceries - easily 30 pounds. I 
> don't expect the Sam to be sprightly when I'm hauling weight, of course 
> (wouldn't that be nice?). It's the when I remove all the weight and climb 
> the same hill and don't feel much less encumbered that annoys me. I suspect 
> that you are correct, and that my intuition has been correct and that the 
> 60 fits less well than a smaller frame would, regardless of what my PBH 
> says.
>
> For the record, I've never expected the Sam to ride like a "road" bike. 
> But I've always been surprised that, as nice as it is on the flats and 
> downhill, it does not climb better for me.
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:41:27 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Given your height of 6'0" and your weight of 155lbs, I tend to think that 
>> it's a combination of things.  If you aren't loading the bike down with 
>> gear, then it's easy to consider a San overbuilt for you and for how you 
>> are using it.  It's a country bike. It says so right on the decals.  If 
>> that's the case, a flexier bike with thinner and/or skinnier top tube and 
>> down tube could feel snappier. 
>>
>> My suggestions would include deciding if you want a country bike. If you 
>> do, embrace that the Sam is a country bike.  If you want a sprightly road 
>> bike also, start targeting that. You mentioned the Atlantis, and it's a 
>> legendary touring bike, but it's also not a sprightly road bike.  A 150lb 
>> rider on a stripped down Atlantis May similarly feel the bike is WAY 
>> overbuilt for the load. 
>>
>> Where do you live?  We could brainstorm the bikes you could try out. 
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>

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[RBW] PSA: Good price on a Bay Area Atlantis

[Surlyprof]

No connection to me and not my size...  Came across this posting on the bay 
area CL:  http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5947506537.html  

Thought this may be of interest to someone on the list.  Struck me as a great 
deal on a pretty stock Atlantis.  Doesn't come with the racks but still seemed 
to be a great price.  I might have been tempted myself if it had been my size.

Best,
John

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[John Bokman]

Bill, thanks for the  thoughts. I actually do think the type of bike is 
good for me, because I regularly haul heavy groceries - easily 30 pounds. I 
don't expect the Sam to be sprightly when I'm hauling weight, of course 
(wouldn't that be nice?). It's the when I remove all the weight and climb 
the same hill and don't feel much less encumbered that annoys me. I suspect 
that you are correct, and that my intuition has been correct and that the 
60 fits less well than a smaller frame would, regardless of what my PBH 
says.

For the record, I've never expected the Sam to ride like a "road" bike. But 
I've always been surprised that, as nice as it is on the flats and 
downhill, it does not climb better for me.

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 7:41:27 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Given your height of 6'0" and your weight of 155lbs, I tend to think that 
> it's a combination of things.  If you aren't loading the bike down with 
> gear, then it's easy to consider a San overbuilt for you and for how you 
> are using it.  It's a country bike. It says so right on the decals.  If 
> that's the case, a flexier bike with thinner and/or skinnier top tube and 
> down tube could feel snappier. 
>
> My suggestions would include deciding if you want a country bike. If you 
> do, embrace that the Sam is a country bike.  If you want a sprightly road 
> bike also, start targeting that. You mentioned the Atlantis, and it's a 
> legendary touring bike, but it's also not a sprightly road bike.  A 150lb 
> rider on a stripped down Atlantis May similarly feel the bike is WAY 
> overbuilt for the load. 
>
> Where do you live?  We could brainstorm the bikes you could try out. 
>
> Bill
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[John Bokman]

I have  not timed myself, nor do I plan to, but that's a good point. It's 
not important to me how slow or fast I actually am, but how I FEEL when on 
the bike. And for me, the Sam never FEELS springy when I'm climbing. I 
suspect it's a function of the frame size more than the geometry or tubing. 

I would totally agree about the Cadillac feel of the bike when on the flats 
and downhill. That's exactly how I think of the Sam. I just wish it had a 
little more juice when grinding up the pass. It rides like my Toyota Matrix 
up the hills.

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 6:26:12 AM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> John, have you done a time test? Maybe borrow a bike that feels faster for 
> a couple of days. Ride up the same hill with both bikes, the hillborne 
> first, and then the "faster bike" next? Then reverse the order the next day 
> and compare times?
>
> I have found riding on many Rivs, it's a very stable and Cadillac-type of 
> ride, which can be deceptively quick for such a useful bike.
>
> My usual morning commute is mostly uphill in the morning. I found the Hunq 
> comparable in time with my lighter-tubed BDB Pelican. I ride the Pelican 
> mostly because it's more enjoyable to ride uphill, but it only gets me to 
> work faster by a minute or two.
>
> So if the way the bike rides is something you can't get along with, then 
> you should get a bike with geometry for the type of ride you are looking 
> for. If you like your ride, it will only get you on the bike more. For this 
> same reason, get a bike with a level top tube. The Atlantis is a bit more 
> burly than the Hillborne, so the A Homer Hilsen or Roadeo might be 
> something to look into, or possibly the Roadini, but I doubt level  top 
> tubes will be prominent on Riv-production bikes. There are too many sizes 
> to accommodate for.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 7:53:23 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Joe, it does feel calmer. That's a good way to put it. Descends very 
>> well, excellent on the flats, stable, comfortable...all the attributes one 
>> would associate with a Rivendell. I have often wondered if it isn't just a 
>> size issue. That is, I was between sizes and was encouraged to go up and 
>> get the biggest I could fit. In retrospect, I wonder if the smaller size 
>> would have "felt" speedier up hills. It's a moot point now, but it has 
>> bugged me ever since 2009. The way the frame is designed almost begs you to 
>> get the smaller of the two frame sizes that will fit, because the design 
>> seems all about getting the bars up there really easily. As it is  now, I 
>> had to get a 7cm stem (to effectively shorten the top tube), and it's 
>> slammed down as far as it can go. Yet my PBH is 89-90 depending on how hard 
>> I cram the book up into my crotch, which is definitely 60cm Sam worthy.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 3:57:04 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> I think that's probably it, John. Using the reverse direction down hill, 
>>> I have an Appaloosa and a Brompton, two almost comically different bikes. 
>>> The Appaloosa descends smoothly and confidently, then if I head down the 
>>> same hill with the tiny-wheeled folder the next day, the same speed feels 
>>> like I'm going 100mph and I dare not put too much input into the bars. 
>>>
>>> The practical effect is I descend slower on the Brommie, which would 
>>> mirror your experiences. I suspect your Sam is a great bike which feels 
>>> calmer in general than the other, which translates into a slower feel on 
>>> climbs. 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Joe Bernard]

Objection, argumentative. Everybody who has followed Rivendell for any length 
of time knows that the older designs had a bit of upslope that was almost 
undetectable to the naked eye. For the purposes of my points in this 
discussion, my Saluki had a level toptube relative to the Sam and Appaloosa. 
Thanks for playing. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco Moose Filleted

[Clayton.sf]

sold

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[RBW] Re: FS: B Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light - $50 shipped.

[Eric]

Hey David, this still available?

- Eric

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[RBW] Re: PRICE DROP FS: Nitto, Fairweather, White Ind, VO, more...

[Patch T]

*WHAT's LEFT + PRICE DROPS*

*HBARS*

1) Nitto Noodle 41cm, 26.0, barely used. *$30*

4) Nitto Grand Randonneur B135 
, 45cm, 
25.4, used  *$30*

5) VO Porteur handlebars, 25.4, 23.8 brake clamp; well-used *$15 (OR BUY 
THESE WITH GUIDONNETS TOGETHER FOR $25)*


*STEMZ*


*COMPONENTS*

10) Shimano Deore XT M736 front derailleur, top-pull version of the M735, 
used *$15*

12) Dia Compe / VO Guidonnet levers, used *$15 (OR BUY THESE WITH PORTEUR 
BAR FOR $25)*

13) White Industries eno 17t freewheel, used *$55*

*RACK*

14) VO Porteur rack with rail, used, uncut, *no hardware but strut IS 
included **$70*


>

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[drew]

am i the only one whose feelings during climbing vacillate fairly extremely 
from day to day and climb to climb? sometimes it feels like im flying up 
hills (sometimes on loaded up bikes even) and other times it feels harder 
than it should (on stripped down bikes even). i just assume my lungs and my 
legs are the culprit for the disparate results.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco Moose Filleted

[Clayton.sf]

Bars are spoken for pending payment.

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 12:38:52 PM UTC-8, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Mounted but not used. Filleted version in 54cm.
>
> $130 shipped to CONUS.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: WTB ChocoMoose or BullMoose Bars

[Timothy Hurley]

Found a pair! Thanks everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Bill]

Before tossing the baby out with the bathwater I'd suggest examining fit and 
components. Consider stem height and extension along with handlebar choice, 
width, and position. Also saddle height and fore/aft position as well as tire 
choice and pressures. I also have a 60cm Sam and we are the same height.  I 
have had both noodles and moustache bars on it, and its an exceptional climber 
with either.  I suspect the real problem may be that that frame size is 
slightly too large for you and that a 58 would be a better bet. If the real 
issue is that you'd rather have something that feels livelier I'd suggest 
starting with a 59cm Roadeo if you want to stay in the Riv family.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco Moose Filleted

[Philip Kim]

pm sent

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 3:38:52 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> Mounted but not used. Filleted version in 54cm.
>
> $130 shipped to CONUS.
>
> Clayton Scott
> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: FS: B Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light - $50 shipped.

[David Banzer]

Bump & lower. $43 shipped.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:18:44 AM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Had this on my main commuting bike, a VO Campeur, and swapped it for a 
> IQ-X as my commute now includes a couple miles of windy dirt trail that's 
> as dark as can be.
> This light worked great for typical road riding and commuting.
> So...
>
> B Eyc T Senso Plus Dynamo Front Light.
> Includes fork bracket, bolt, tool, and full length cable to connect a rear 
> light. Doesn't include the reflector.
> Light is lightly used, works great. 
> Info here: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/lights/products/b-m-eyc-t-senso-plus-dyno-headlight
>
> $50 shipped conUS. 
> Regular Paypal payment works. I'll send a PP invoice.
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
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[RBW] Re: Need Help Pricing MB-1

[Chad]

Depending on the year, I think $500-600 would be fair based on its condition. I 
would put a slight premium on the '87 with the dirtdrop bars.

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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Bill Lindsay]

Given your height of 6'0" and your weight of 155lbs, I tend to think that it's 
a combination of things.  If you aren't loading the bike down with gear, then 
it's easy to consider a San overbuilt for you and for how you are using it.  
It's a country bike. It says so right on the decals.  If that's the case, a 
flexier bike with thinner and/or skinnier top tube and down tube could feel 
snappier. 

My suggestions would include deciding if you want a country bike. If you do, 
embrace that the Sam is a country bike.  If you want a sprightly road bike 
also, start targeting that. You mentioned the Atlantis, and it's a legendary 
touring bike, but it's also not a sprightly road bike.  A 150lb rider on a 
stripped down Atlantis May similarly feel the bike is WAY overbuilt for the 
load. 

Where do you live?  We could brainstorm the bikes you could try out. 

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Ryan Fleming]

Wasn't 2009 when the Sam was introduced? Seems to me you're not the only 
one who's been less than thrilled by the ride...

That being said, if you are not happy with it, as others have said, time to 
move Sam and get something you're happy with...Rivendell or otherwise

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 10:59:59 PM UTC-6, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Interesting you mention that, because now the choice is 58cm or 62cm, I 
> believe. (In 2009 it was 56 or 60). If the frame is the same as it was in 
> 2009, I’d most likely feel I had a better fit with the current 58. That 
> would probably be my sweet spot in this frame. Although, the frame may have 
> changed since 2009, I don’t know. 
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Christopher Murray  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Wasn't the Hillborne designed with the expanded geometry so few sizes 
> would be needed? Fewer sizes means less inventory, less inventory means 
> less $. If I remember right $ was talked about quite a bit with the design 
> of the Hillborne (as the Riv/QBP Bleriot project was winding down). I can't 
> imagine anyone would argue that less sizes is better or fits all riders as 
> well as more sizes would. Doesn't the underlying idea have to be that it 
> fits most riders well enough?  Or to put it another way, if both the 56 and 
> 60 fit couldn't you argue that neither really fit? 
> > 
> > Cheers! 
> > Chris 
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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Philip Kim]

John, have you done a time test? Maybe borrow a bike that feels faster for 
a couple of days. Ride up the same hill with both bikes, the hillborne 
first, and then the "faster bike" next? Then reverse the order the next day 
and compare times?

I have found riding on many Rivs, it's a very stable and Cadillac-type of 
ride, which can be deceptively quick for such a useful bike.

My usual morning commute is mostly uphill in the morning. I found the Hunq 
comparable in time with my lighter-tubed BDB Pelican. I ride the Pelican 
mostly because it's more enjoyable to ride uphill, but it only gets me to 
work faster by a minute or two.

So if the way the bike rides is something you can't get along with, then 
you should get a bike with geometry for the type of ride you are looking 
for. If you like your ride, it will only get you on the bike more. For this 
same reason, get a bike with a level top tube. The Atlantis is a bit more 
burly than the Hillborne, so the A Homer Hilsen or Roadeo might be 
something to look into, or possibly the Roadini, but I doubt level  top 
tubes will be prominent on Riv-production bikes. There are too many sizes 
to accommodate for.



On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 7:53:23 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Joe, it does feel calmer. That's a good way to put it. Descends very well, 
> excellent on the flats, stable, comfortable...all the attributes one would 
> associate with a Rivendell. I have often wondered if it isn't just a size 
> issue. That is, I was between sizes and was encouraged to go up and get the 
> biggest I could fit. In retrospect, I wonder if the smaller size would have 
> "felt" speedier up hills. It's a moot point now, but it has bugged me ever 
> since 2009. The way the frame is designed almost begs you to get the 
> smaller of the two frame sizes that will fit, because the design seems all 
> about getting the bars up there really easily. As it is  now, I had to get 
> a 7cm stem (to effectively shorten the top tube), and it's slammed down as 
> far as it can go. Yet my PBH is 89-90 depending on how hard I cram the book 
> up into my crotch, which is definitely 60cm Sam worthy.
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 3:57:04 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I think that's probably it, John. Using the reverse direction down hill, 
>> I have an Appaloosa and a Brompton, two almost comically different bikes. 
>> The Appaloosa descends smoothly and confidently, then if I head down the 
>> same hill with the tiny-wheeled folder the next day, the same speed feels 
>> like I'm going 100mph and I dare not put too much input into the bars. 
>>
>> The practical effect is I descend slower on the Brommie, which would 
>> mirror your experiences. I suspect your Sam is a great bike which feels 
>> calmer in general than the other, which translates into a slower feel on 
>> climbs. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Need Help Pricing MB-1

[Philip Kim]

i've seen MB1s on ebay for 800-1000, but they didn't sell. i would shoot 
for starting bid at maybe $500 to get a lot of views and see how high it 
goes?

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 10:50:39 PM UTC-5, Jock Dewey wrote:
>
> Hey, y'alls:
>
> My son is in the advocacy biz (BikeAthens) and they also have a shop that 
> refurbishes bikes (BRP / Bicycle Recycling Program) for those in need and 
> underprivileged kids. They accept donated bikes in every condition you can 
> imagine and what they don't give away, they sell to fund their programs.
>
> So they just got in a white MB-1 in original condition. It's a bit rough 
> but no dents, only chip-rust and not much of that...and some parts, i.e. 
> wheels, BB, etc. are in really good shape. All Suntour XC Pro, Sanshin 
> hubs, nice Ritchey stem, fork, rims, seatpin, etc. He's got lousy pix, so 
> I'll forego that for now.
>
> They're trying to decide whether to part out or perhaps 'BAY it to get 
> maximum $$ out of it.
>
> What do you Bridgestone aficionados think this thing might be worth? 
> Reasonable guesses, not pie-in-the-sky. It's 19.5 frame I do believe.
>
> Hey, TIA for your help. It's a very good cause BTW.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA
>
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[RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[eflayer]

I have owned 2 orange Rambouillets, 1 coupled green Rambouillet, and 2 
Bleriots. I absolutely loved the aesthetics of all of them. On the other 
hand, either they did not fit my riding style or they always felt heavy / 
sluggish. I love to ride fast, smooth, no bags, no extra weight. Other 
bikes seems to fit those variables better for me. Or maybe I just need a 
cychologist?

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 2:29:16 PM UTC-8, John Bokman wrote:
>
> I'm trying to discern if there's any real (not imagined) physical 
> properties of the upsloping top tube on my 2009 Sam that would make it a 
> sluggish climber. I've never cared for the aesthetics of the sloped frame, 
> so I'm thinking it could be in my head. But the truth is, I've always felt 
> the bike is sluggish climbing, and I'm curious what other's think. Granted, 
> tires make a big difference, but regardless of tires and tire pressures 
> (I've used many variants), the result is the same for me: sluggish 
> climbing. Whatever you do, please don't tell me it's the motor!
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Steve Palincsar]

Joe, "level" is not relative.  You put a level on it and look at the 
bubble, and when you do that with a Saluki you find that it has a 
slightly upsloping top tube: 2.5 degrees for the 47cm size, 1.5 degrees 
for the rest.  It's documented, see for yourself: 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html



On 01/05/2017 11:44 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Relative to the current designs, the Saluki and its successor AHH have level 
toptubes. Level enough that I needed a 54cm seattube in order to have a long 
enough toptube, whereas now I have good reach with a 51 ST.



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Re: [RBW] Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Steve Palincsar]

Or, it could just be that in the days of level top tubes, smaller 
diameter tubes were used to build bicycles, resulting in more flexible 
frames than would be the case with oversize tubing of the same 
thickness.  And more flexible frames indeed can climb better.



On 01/06/2017 06:57 AM, Eric Daume wrote:
Clearly, the up sloping top tube is making your climbs effectively 
steeper. That's why it's more difficult :)


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 5:29 PM, John Bokman > wrote:


I'm trying to discern if there's any real (not imagined) physical
properties of the upsloping top tube on my 2009 Sam that would
make it a sluggish climber. I've never cared for the aesthetics of
the sloped frame, so I'm thinking it could be in my head. But the
truth is, I've always felt the bike is sluggish climbing, and I'm
curious what other's think. Granted, tires make a big difference,
but regardless of tires and tire pressures (I've used many
variants), the result is the same for me: sluggish climbing.
Whatever you do, please don't tell me it's the motor!




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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are the Brompton Owners or A Case of the Novembers

[Lee Legrand]

I do not own a brompton but from all my research on folders when it comes
to commuting by bicycle, compact folding, weight or you just decided to get
rid of your car and need to get around using public transportation and
bicycle, nothing beats the Brompton.  The only negative I could possibly
give to it is, fit if you have usual body part dimensions or if you really
like the build bike ride feel.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:13 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I hadn't heard of a NYC clampdown on ebikes.  I could see that.  The
> NYCeWheels site said it was discontinued because Brompton was going to put
> out their own OEM version in 2018.
>
> I received my lime green Brompton M6R just before Christmas.  N+3/4.  What
> a blast!  I feel like I just graduated from clown college;)  I've also been
> able to closely match my posture on my Hillborne when riding the bar ends
> of my albastaches.  I saw a NYCeWheels video that showed how you can eek
> out an extra inch of seat height by flipping the pentaclip over.  Still
> felt a shade too much bend in my knees but, just before ordering the
> extended seatpost, I tried flipping it backwards as well for a little more
> extension.  The seat/crank center angle ended up matching my Hillborne.
> Feels great!  Still getting used to the little wheels but Bromptons are
> really fun to ride. Even better, with the Brompton taking over commuter
> duties, I put my lighter wheelset and Compass tires on my Sam and it's
> quick and more fun than ever.
>
> Now I'll just need to get over that matching helmet/bike dilemma (Totally
> worth it... their lime green is really nice).
>
> John
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Re: [RBW] Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Eric Daume]

Clearly, the up sloping top tube is making your climbs effectively steeper.
That's why it's more difficult :)

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 5:29 PM, John Bokman  wrote:

> I'm trying to discern if there's any real (not imagined) physical
> properties of the upsloping top tube on my 2009 Sam that would make it a
> sluggish climber. I've never cared for the aesthetics of the sloped frame,
> so I'm thinking it could be in my head. But the truth is, I've always felt
> the bike is sluggish climbing, and I'm curious what other's think. Granted,
> tires make a big difference, but regardless of tires and tire pressures
> (I've used many variants), the result is the same for me: sluggish
> climbing. Whatever you do, please don't tell me it's the motor!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne 6-degree upsloping top tube

[Garth]

Chris, yes I do recall that also about the expanded geometry.  For myself it 
does not really change anything since stock frames are stock frames, they are 
going to fit who they will and those who are "close enough" may or may not 
actually be satisfied long term.  Just like wearing clothes, maybe something 
feels or looks great in the store or first trying it on but after awhile if it 
was not really sized for you or what you really wanted, you wil eventualĺy 
become aware of it and may say "what was I thinking ?"   I notice too it is 
very easy to get wooed by paint colors or other features on stock bikes, then 
you try to make yourself fit into it some way despite it not reaĺly being what 
you want or need !  Hah . done that .. 

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