[RBW] Re: threaded fork crown rod breakage on my Nitto 32F... punishment or a sign? Also, it can be salvaged, right?

[Orc]

I might be making things up as I go along, but some (all?) of the Nitto 
front racks use an m6 bolt brazed onto the end of a steel tube for the fork 
crown stay, so if there's any flexing it will stress the bolt<->bolt head 
junction (which has already been weakened by brazing it to the tube.)   
I've had one that failed like that pass through my hands, and there are 
pictures on flickr of other racks that have died in the the same way.

You might be able to find someone locally who can braze a new bolt on for 
you, and if not and you're willing to cover shipping send it to me and I'll 
braze a new bolt or a flat mounting plate onto it for you.

-david parsons

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-7, Patch T wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch,
>
> I posted not long ago asking advice on how best to secure a (still 
> un-proffered) rando bag to a mini front rack, specifically an integrated 
> decaleur model, which would potentially swap out the Nitto MIni Front (32F) 
> that came on my newish-to-me Quickbeam; a decision I was about to make 
> because after some (albeit not exhaustive) research I had come to the 
> understanding that an integrated rack/decaleur system was less shaky, less 
> noisy, less heavy, more stout, than purchasing a separate decaleur. I have 
> since been convinced otherwise, and my decision is not the story here.
>
> A week later, having still pushed no buttons and charged no accounts on 
> this matter, I noticed my (absolutely adored) 32F was a little loosey, and 
> upon further examination ruled out the mid-fork mounting points and settled 
> on the fork crown nut to the integrated rack-bolt-rod-thing. I tightened 
> said nut with ample, yet not-crazy pressure, and it happily spun to the 
> right after the briefest moment of uninspired resistance. And it continued 
> to spin under my firmgentle suggestion until the thang fell to the floor, 
> with half the threaded rod intact. A result I would have expected (and have 
> certainly experienced) with less-notable parts n bits, but I was quite 
> surprised to have a Nitto fail me in this way.
>
> Longish story shorterish, did my mini Nitto front rack take my 
> consideration of another rack as betrayal and decide to punish us both?
>
> Or does this happen? Should I not be so surprised?
>
> Lastly, what do I do next? For now I've secured the rack pretty decently 
> with a couple Irish straps [ the greatest thing Riv ever sold, besides the 
> QB ;) ]. There is still a bit of rack-attached rod sitting inside the fork 
> crown. Do I buy another set of struts for the rear eyelets on that rack and 
> mount them to the canti posts? The aesthetic of that solution bums me out 
> but, but it seems to me an affordable fix, and there certainly are worse 
> problems to have than not satiating my preference for two struts. I mean, 
> it would that make the rack stronger, no?
>
>
> Love
> Patch
> LACA
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: kindness

[dougP]

Sky:

thanks for reminding us all.  Personally I've grown accustomed (taking for 
granted maybe?) the courtesy & respect shown on this group.  When I've 
visited some other sites or certain blogs, I've been put off by the 
snarkiness & competitive attitudes.  Certainly we have a great diversity of 
opinion & experience here and it's all interesting & informative to hear.  
Hearing well considered arguments on a subject is so refreshing.  It's a 
good bunch, indeed.

dougP

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:58:22 AM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> There are a lot of bike geek forums and lists out there. In addition to 
> its focus on Rivendell Bicycle Works, what has made this group uniquely 
> appealing to me is the kindness and courtesy members extend to one another. 
>  It isn't an exaggeration to say that it has increased my faith in the 
> basic decency of people.  I mostly just sort of eavesdrop on conversations 
> between other members, but since my main bike geek friend who introduced me 
> to this list passed away, I've been slowly becoming a more active 
> participant.  Strangers in this group, connected by technology and common 
> interest, have helped fill some of the void that my friend's passing left. 
>  So I guess I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the kind, 
> courteous and respectful interactions; it has really helped me feel 
> connected to a community.
>
> Sky in new west  
>

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[RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Orc]

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:10:25 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
> Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or P55.  
>
> I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks. 
>
> Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50, so  I 
> bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.
>
> Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I should keep 
> an option open for wider tires and go with P55.
>
 
To be contrary, I'd suggest narrower tires.   My fat 650b tires are 38 
Pari-Motos, which are perfectly happy at speed on loose gravel roads, but 
so are the Confrérie des 650B tires I ride on my faster 650b machines (and 
I have a pair of Schwalbe Ones @ 650x25b that are waiting for me to shuffle 
wheelsets so I can get them fitted on a pair of rims that can support 
80-90psi;  I do not expect those will ride very fast on loose gravel, but 
the target machine is for short brevets on mainly paved roads.)

Confréries fit very nicely under a 50mm fender and don't look obviously 
undersized there (I ran them under some reradiused 700c V-O Zeppelins on a 
couple of machines over the course of three years, only stopping when the 
Zepps started to fracture at the rear brake bridge) and 38 Pari-Motos (or 
CdlVs, or even the old PNW regional default of Hetres) look just right .

I'm about 6'1" and weigh between 170-190 pounds depending on how 
obsessively I'm riding, so I'm not exactly a featherweight.The only 
thing that might make it easier for me to ride (relatively) narrow tires is 
that I shove my handlebars between 5-6 inches lower than my saddle so I 
float myself between the bars and the saddle except when I'm falling over 
with exhaustion;  if you're going for a riv fit, your weight balance might 
be back far enough so that what I consider ballon tires won't give you 
enough float to compensate for the constant rumble of loose gravel or 
crappy city streets.

-david parsons


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[RBW] Re: Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

[Joe Bernard]

That's a sweet joe. I was leaning towards that color, then fell in love with 
the light blue when I saw a demo at RBW (I bought it). Now I love the silver 
and green, too. It's weird, I've always been particular about color and 
graphics, but this bike seems to transcend that. It just looks great, period!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Joe Bernard]

A NIB Glorius/Wilbury frame is $3500 now, and I don't remember an Atlantis ever 
being under $1200. My recollection is it hit 1500 and climbing pretty quick. 

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[RBW] threaded fork crown rod breakage on my Nitto 32F... punishment or a sign? Also, it can be salvaged, right?

[Patch T]

Hey Bunch,

I posted not long ago asking advice on how best to secure a (still 
un-proffered) rando bag to a mini front rack, specifically an integrated 
decaleur model, which would potentially swap out the Nitto MIni Front (32F) 
that came on my newish-to-me Quickbeam; a decision I was about to make 
because after some (albeit not exhaustive) research I had come to the 
understanding that an integrated rack/decaleur system was less shaky, less 
noisy, less heavy, more stout, than purchasing a separate decaleur. I have 
since been convinced otherwise, and my decision is not the story here.

A week later, having still pushed no buttons and charged no accounts on 
this matter, I noticed my (absolutely adored) 32F was a little loosey, and 
upon further examination ruled out the mid-fork mounting points and settled 
on the fork crown nut to the integrated rack-bolt-rod-thing. I tightened 
said nut with ample, yet not-crazy pressure, and it happily spun to the 
right after the briefest moment of uninspired resistance. And it continued 
to spin under my firmgentle suggestion until the thang fell to the floor, 
with half the threaded rod intact. A result I would have expected (and have 
certainly experienced) with less-notable parts n bits, but I was quite 
surprised to have a Nitto fail me in this way.

Longish story shorterish, did my mini Nitto front rack take my 
consideration of another rack as betrayal and decide to punish us both?

Or does this happen? Should I not be so surprised?

Lastly, what do I do next? For now I've secured the rack pretty decently 
with a couple Irish straps [ the greatest thing Riv ever sold, besides the 
QB ;) ]. There is still a bit of rack-attached rod sitting inside the fork 
crown. Do I buy another set of struts for the rear eyelets on that rack and 
mount them to the canti posts? The aesthetic of that solution bums me out 
but, but it seems to me an affordable fix, and there certainly are worse 
problems to have than not satiating my preference for two struts. I mean, 
it would that make the rack stronger, no?


Love
Patch
LACA



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Re: [RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Christopher Murray]

Patrick,

I have one lone picture of me standing with my bike in Sandwich, MA. Most of my 
life went undocumented prior to getting an iPhone. 

Cheers,
Chris

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[RBW] Re: kindness

[GAJett]

One thing I value on this group is that people can disagree and still 
remain friends.  A large part of this is that opinions are backed up by 
reasoned arguments while the authors remain open to challenge while others 
can judge the merits for themselves.

As a group we value the "Rivendell experience", but are in no way blind 
acolytes of Grant Peterson.  Many of us recognize him as a significant 
visionary in the bicycling world, but don't always agree with his 
opinions.  His guidance and life's work are valued, not as an end-all, but 
as an important starting point for our own explorations.  

I will say for myself, that his thoughts have led me to new avenues of what 
bicycling can be and has significantly changed my bicycling life for the 
better.  My sincere thanks to Grant, and to all the members of this group.  
We are all better for being participants here.
Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Christopher Murray]

Grant just listed his definitely-not-new 1999 Atlantis frameset for $1100. I 
think retail was $900-ish in 1999 but would need to go back and check to be 
sure. It's a fair price in comparison to a new one but not in comparison to 
what it cost when new. I didn't hear anyone cry foul. I've also seen similar 
prices for older frames on this forum. There was a Glorious/ Wilbury new in the 
box for $2300 not too long ago. Again, I didn't hear anyone cry foul. 

A new larger bag from Rivendell is $200+, so I don't see why $200 is out of 
line. And I definitely don't see why people are upset about it. 

Cheers,
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Justin, Oakland]

I have bought and sold a SimpleOne and a Bleriot. I have for sure not broken 
even on either of those.

If profit is the motive that's fine. At least we know his markup is shockingly 
low which makes me think business acumen isn't the strong suit. Which then begs 
the question why share the initial cost as it's sure to rub people the wrong 
way, proving interpersonal isn't the strong suit. 

Then there's the booze. 

A forum I was on a long time ago was run by amsome militant straight edge kids 
and PWI (posting while intoxicated) was verboten. Perhaps that would have saved 
some embarassmwnt and chastising here?


Or maybe not. 

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hey Patrick!  I'm afraid there is nothing epic about my travels.  I stick 
mainly to bike trails around the Chester County PA area.  I do, however, 
need to get on the stick about posting photos on this forum.  I opened the 
google photo storage (whose real name escapes me at the moment).  I'd love 
to show my Riv bikes with the IGH here.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 4:57:56 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chris: Can we see photos of your epic 1X8 tour? Perhaps you've posted and 
> I missed them, but I'd love to see them.
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Christopher Murray  > wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I rode a 1x8 set up from Seattle,WA to Cape Cod, MA towing a bob trailer 
>> with 50+ lbs of gear. It was 4200 miles over 68 days camping and cooking 
>> along the way. Lots of mountains and lots of flats. I imagine it would have 
>> been easier and perhaps a bit faster with a double or triple but it was a 
>> great trip. I figure if you can get across the United States with that set 
>> up you can do pretty much anything.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Daniel D.]

Are you interested? :P 

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 2:50:36 PM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote:
>  but if you are not interested then why respond?!?! 
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Frank Brose]

Well put Bill. We could rant,rave and do the shimee shimee coco pop on this 
all day long. I'd say let it go. Let's talk about things that are 
important, like what's the best fenders for RTP tires on an Atlantis? 

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 3:06:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> While I agree with Nick on all points, everybody would have gotten through 
> their day just fine if they just didn't buy the OP's bag if they didn't 
> want it.  Nothing productive comes from people posting WHY they aren't 
> going to buy the OP's tweed bag.  If the OP's price is out of line for any 
> reason, his FS post will drift into oblivion on the list, with no harm 
> done.  
>
> Bill "in my humble opinion, of course" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:28:48 PM UTC-7, Nick Ybarra wrote:
>>
>> I think "tacky" best describes the actual price offered and then 
>> "increasingly douche-y" the tone of the OP's posts.  Can't imagine wanting 
>> to have a beer with anyone based on that.  Most of the responses seem 
>> pretty level-headed and calm to me, which is one of the reasons I like this 
>> group so much.
>>
>> -Nick in ATX  
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to agree with Garth on this one. If I wanted the bag bad enough 
>>> I'd pay what Richard was asking. Asking being the key word here,  if I 
>>> didn't want it for $200 I'd offer up what it was worth to me and he could 
>>> take it or leave it. Win, lose or draw I wouldn't get to rattled about it 
>>> either way.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 6:58:26 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:

 I am not interested in the bag, so any set price is of no concern to 
 me. 

 If I was interested in the bag, I would offer you what I was willing to 
 pay for it, so I can find no fault in your asking price since I would pay 
 no more than that regardless. It is not the sellers job to make me feel 
 good about buying something. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS or FT: Brooks, Bridgestone MB4 Xtracycle, Shimano, Suntour, Sugino,

[Coconutbill]

>
> Lowered price on a few of these things. 
>
> Easton Moby Ringle SeatPost 27.2 $50
> Sugino Single Speed Cranks 170mm (mismatched but pretty nice) $20
> Suntour Stem Shifters $10
> Suntour XC Pro Crankset 175mm (the chainrings are dirty but still in good 
> shape,  25, 35, 45) $50
> Suntour XC Pro Bottom Bracket (Cup n Cone) $30
> Suntour XC Pro Front Derailleur x3  $24  3 different sizes... one has a 
> stripped out limit screw
>
   Suntour  XC Pro Rear Derailleur

> Shimano Deore LX Rear Derailleur (needs new pulley wheels) $14
> Silver/IRD Thumbies $70 + shipping 
> Tektro Adjustable Cantis (similar to Paul, missing a part) $30
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I wish I could make money selling my old bikes. I have lost money on every 
single sale. That includes bike components. Guess I don't have your magic touch

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Patrick Moore]

Wish I was one of them!

Patrick "fan the flames/buy dear, sell cheap" Moore, who certainly didn't
make a profit on his Sam! Or anything else, for that matter!

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am sure there a lot of people on this list who have made money selling
> an Atlantis, Ram, Rom, Bleriot, Sam, or some other frame on this list.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

P.S. Just noticed something. That is not a close up of a bald guy's head. 
It is a German Shepard dog.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 6:06:55 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I was thinking along those lines, too. Here's a donor, It's a Bianchi 
> Grizzly. Buy it Now, $39. I bet he would ship the fork for $20. Not certain 
> it would be quite long enough. 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Joe Bernard]

I responded because this is an opinion forum and I have an opinion on this 
rancid bullcrap. And I reject the assertion that a lot of us have made a profit 
on an old Rivendell. The general trend from new-to-older is the price drops a 
bit to each successive owner, even with something like an early-2000s Atlantis. 
You might get away with a profit sale on eBay, but most of us here know what an 
old Atlantis went for new, and don't try to jack up the price as if we just 
bought the new/improved frame. 

I've lost a boatload of money on sales here because​ I would rather take the "I 
used it for a while" hit, and let somebody else get a good deal on it. Because 
karma and whatnot. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Christopher Murray]

I am sure there a lot of people on this list who have made money selling an 
Atlantis, Ram, Rom, Bleriot, Sam, or some other frame on this list. The prices 
have gone up and up and the prices have been adjusted accordingly. I see 
nothing wrong with asking more than you paid for something and I think I smell 
hypocrisy with all the protest.

It does seem a bit strange to say what you paid and then ask for more. That 
seems a sure fire way to upset the we-are-all-friends-here vibe of the list but 
if you are not interested then why respond?!?! 

Cheers,
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Patrick Moore]

+1. The list isn't eBay or Craigslist.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Jeff Lesperance 
wrote:

>
> I tend to do this as well - if I'm offering something up to this, or the
> iBob list, it's almost never for a profit, if so it's in the few dollars
> range, and in many cases it's at a loss or as a "pay-it-forward"
> transaction. When I have something that I know could turn a profit and help
> fund further bike interests, I typically turn to other venues - these are
> often items that I would tend to think wouldn't be of interest to the
> audience of said lists anyhow. I've historically funded my bike hobby, to
> the point where I fully funded brand-new complete bikes, by flipping bikes
> on Craigslist - hipsters pay a tax there, for a cleaned up and stripped
> down single speed or fixie conversion, and I keep the parts I stripped off
> for future builds or for recycling to this community. There are few
> transaction I make to bring new items in that haven't been self-funded this
> way, and I think it's nice to pass on the extra bits that I might have to
> other enthusiasts here in this community for a fair price and with a clear
> conscience. I suppose I may have been taken advantage of on some occasions,
> but if so, I haven't felt it in any way.
>
>
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[RBW] ISO/WTB/WTT - New-ish Large Olive Saddlesack

[Jonathan D.]

RIvelo in PDX should have one. I just purchased one last week. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Patrick Moore]

Chris: Can we see photos of your epic 1X8 tour? Perhaps you've posted and I
missed them, but I'd love to see them.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I rode a 1x8 set up from Seattle,WA to Cape Cod, MA towing a bob trailer
> with 50+ lbs of gear. It was 4200 miles over 68 days camping and cooking
> along the way. Lots of mountains and lots of flats. I imagine it would have
> been easier and perhaps a bit faster with a double or triple but it was a
> great trip. I figure if you can get across the United States with that set
> up you can do pretty much anything.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, I am all ready to talk about 1X, even though my 1X is really a 1X with
a granny for hypothetical but so far never experienced tough situations. I
mean the 42/28 X 14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-24-28 on my Matthews custom dirt
road bike. This gives me a high of 86 gi, a low on the 42 of 43 gi, with a
range on the 28 of 50 gi down to 29 gi.

My terrain is either flat north-south, parallel to el rio grande, with sand
up to 3" deep (it gets deeper, but if it's deeper than 3", it's walking
time), or rolling-to-hilly terrain to the west and to the east, between
West Mesa and the Sandias, paved. The 1-tooth-gap cruising ratios from 75"
down to 60" are very sweet when one has to adjust for little changes in
incline and surface (though, to be ruthlessly honest, my finickiness in
this regard is mostly theoretical; when I ride, I use mostly the 70, 67, 63
inch gears on the level, depending on wind and sand, with, elsewhere,  75
for downhills and perhaps 60 or 54 for climbing.

I suppose that the greatest limitation is the low "high" gear, but I'm so
used to riding fixed that 86 gi seems like a great deal of extra gravy. And
I can climb our steepest hills with a 40 lb load on a bad day in a 29" gear.

I shift with Suntour bar end shifters, and the 10 cogs and the 2 rings use
about 50 to 60% of lever travel. They shift old 8-speed era derailleurs;
with modern Microshifts, say, shifting would be even more precise, but even
these archaic components shift very smoothly and precisely over 10, though
you need more care than with 9. (My cassette is made from miscellaneous 10,
9, 8, and even 7 speed cogs from my box, with Miche 10 speed spacers.)

Believe me, if you are used to the fixed-in-concrete ratios of a 8 speed
hub gear, you'll find 9, let alone 10 swappable cogs a real delight.

Patrick Moore, who is dreaming about a new hub geared road bike with
Sturmey Archer AM hub.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> Was wondering if anyone here has tried this kind of set up on one of Riv's
> more roadish bikes?  I have a Soma San Marcos with the typical 2 chain
> rings and was kind of thinking of trying a 1X.  I had a Surly Krampus with
> a 1X.  If you do have this set up what are your components and do you like
> it?  My area is flat to rolling hills mostly so I don't have to slay any
> mountains.  I have most of my other bikes set up (even the Riv's) with an
> Alfine 8 so I don't think I would feel like I'm too limited with
> enough gearing options.  Its attractive to me as I tend to prefer simple
> set ups in general - hence all the IGHs in the stable.
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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Christopher Murray]

Hello,

I rode a 1x8 set up from Seattle,WA to Cape Cod, MA towing a bob trailer with 
50+ lbs of gear. It was 4200 miles over 68 days camping and cooking along the 
way. Lots of mountains and lots of flats. I imagine it would have been easier 
and perhaps a bit faster with a double or triple but it was a great trip. I 
figure if you can get across the United States with that set up you can do 
pretty much anything.

Cheers,
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Patrick Moore]

The Sackvilles are hands, knees, and toes better than anything else out
there; almost too nice for a bike. I was lucky recently to score a well
used but still very decent Large one for $100 off the list, and that
included shipping, so I'm very happy. I had earlier owned a new Medium,
sold because I find panniers more useful, but the large is very much closer
to my Roller Packers in usefulness.

I hope Rivendell isn't planning to stop making the Sackvilles? That is what
"scramble" seems to indicate.

I also owned 2 Cartwrights, the Adam and the Hoss, and those were nice,
too, better than the best Carradices; but not nearly as nice as the
Sackvilles. And I've owned many, many Carradices. There's no question that
some, at least, of the later Carradices are far inferior in quality to the
best Nelson LFs and Camper LFs of the '90s.

All that said, I have a nostalgia for the Carradices of the 1990s, the old
black ones. Not nearly as good as the Sackvilles, but no corners cut,
either; rather like a RB-1 compared to a Masi. (Or something.) And what
about the first little saddlebags sold by Rivendell in the first years,
those with the ties instead of buckles? I somehow came across one a couple
of years ago. I think my brother has it now.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 6:52 AM, Grant Petersen  wrote:

> At some point in the distant but forseeable future there will be a
> scramble for sackville bags, and it will be lead by those who already have
> a bag made with the highest quality materials and a flat-floored pouch that
> doesn't tilt the load, and has a stiff lower lip and a flap-tongue that
> contains the stuff inside so securely that the straps are almost
> superfluous. "distant" is underterminable, but is not a ploy, and
> "forseeable" is in sharper focus. Debate and wait all you like--the bags
> are expensive, no doubt, but in 22 years of business, I've run into only
> four vendor-suppliers (out of a thousand?) whose quality standards were
> higher than our own, that never needed "guidance" or ramping up, and
> Waterbury Leather Works--who makes those bags for us in Connecticutt—is one
> of them.
>
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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

[Bill Lindsay]

Stuart 

Yours is one GREAT looking Appaloosa.  Without fenders and with the 
bullmoose bars it looks super clean, and almost minimalist.  I love the 
Silver, too.  APPROVE

BL

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:20:47 AM UTC-7, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> I have gone on a few rides now with Maxxis Torch tires mounted on my 
> Appaloosa. I'm using the stock rims (25mm outer IIRC). Tires are rated at 
> 700 x 53 and measure out around 51.5 after breaking in. So far, I like them 
> more than my Big Bens but maybe not as much as Compass tires. The treaded 
> area is quite thick compared to the sidewalls and has a hard edge, which I 
> was not expecting and is also hard to photograph. Folded up it appeared as 
> though there would be a significant effect on cornering but inflated the 
> tire has a nice tread coverage. I'm working them down slowly, they're now 
> at 30/35psi and feel like they could go much lower, but I'm still 
> experimenting. The tread is grippy even off road and held up on a short 
> steep dirt climb I've washed out on before. 
>
>>
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[RBW] FS again

[Andrew Huston]

Anyone with a Brompton looking to trade?

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[WETH]

In addition, I also needed 2 cassettes, 2 long derailleur cables, bioshield, 
and of course a bandana!

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Re: [RBW] Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Patrick Moore]

Ash: You should decide on your tire before deciding on your fender. Whether
a 650B tire fatter than 42 mm requires more effort to pedal depends on your
situation: sand? A 60 mm tire will float over sand far better than a skinny
42. Road? If a 650B X 50 mm tire is as supple and light as your 42, it will
probably pedal just as easily. I don't know what 42 you are using; if it is
one of the Compass extralights, then there is probably no fatter tire that
is as light and supple, and thus no fatter tire that will roll more easily
on firm surfaces.

But if you are riding on sandy soil or deepish gravel, I can tell you from
my experience with 700C X 50 mm tires and ditto 40-somethings that 50 is a
sort of sweet spot for sand and deep gravel; it floats almost as well as 60
mm but seems to float much better than 40-something, particularly because
you can very safely run a 700C X 50 tire at 20-25 psi if you don't weigh
much more than 170 and you are careful about hitting big rocks and curbs.
(I've run 50s as low as 18 and 60s as low as 12, tubes as well as tubeless,
with no problems; I'm 175.)

So, now you've chosen your tire. Next, choose your fender. Your fender
should be wider than your tire, but I've used 60 mm fenders over 60 mm
(actual 60 to 65 mm) tires and they have kept off the spray.

At the other extreme, I used 45 mm Honjos over 22 mm tires, and, while this
combo didn't look the best, it didn't look weird.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Ash A  wrote:

> Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or P55.
>
> I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks.
>
> Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50, so  I
> bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.
>
> Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I should keep
> an option open for wider tires and go with P55.
>
> If wider than 42mm would mean much higher peddling effort, I'm unlikely to
> ever go beyond 42.
>
> Also, if anyone interested in selling a used 650B fat tire for cheap, I'll
> buy it, rider around and compare it to Pari Moto 42 before ordering the
> fender.
>
> Btw, bike in question is 51cm Appa.
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Have one. And a backup.  That stuff is da bomb.

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Tom

While you are remembering the things you forgot, I'll remind you to remember 
whether you need to add a tub of Phil Hand Cleaner.  That was the other thing I 
bought, because my tub just went dry.  If you have a full tub already, then you 
know.  If you never had one, you can thank me later when you get one.

Bill

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Bill Lindsay]

Tom

While you are remembering the things you forgot, I'll remind you to 
remember whether you need to add a tub of Phil Hand Cleaner.  That was the 
other thing I bought, because my tub just went dry.  If you have a full tub 
already, then you know.  If you never had one, you can thank me later when 
you get one.  

Bill

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[RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Bill Lindsay]

I think I'd recommend the P55 fenders regardless.  Well installed P55 
fenders will not look bad at all with 42mm tires, or even 38s.  32s would 
look weird but there is no reason you would ever run 32s on an Appaloosa. 
 Then if you decide to try wider (or knobbier) for whatever reason, you 
can.  I see zero benefit in putting P50s on a frame that could easily take 
P55s.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:10:25 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
> Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or P55.  
>
> I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks. 
>
> Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50, so  I 
> bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.
>
> Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I should keep 
> an option open for wider tires and go with P55.
>
> If wider than 42mm would mean much higher peddling effort, I'm unlikely to 
> ever go beyond 42.
>
> Also, if anyone interested in selling a used 650B fat tire for cheap, I'll 
> buy it, rider around and compare it to Pari Moto 42 before ordering the 
> fender.
>
> Btw, bike in question is 51cm Appa.
>

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[RBW] Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Ash A]

Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or P55.  

I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks. 

Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50, so  I 
bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.

Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I should keep an 
option open for wider tires and go with P55.

If wider than 42mm would mean much higher peddling effort, I'm unlikely to 
ever go beyond 42.

Also, if anyone interested in selling a used 650B fat tire for cheap, I'll 
buy it, rider around and compare it to Pari Moto 42 before ordering the 
fender.

Btw, bike in question is 51cm Appa.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Bill Lindsay]

While I agree with Nick on all points, everybody would have gotten through 
their day just fine if they just didn't buy the OP's bag if they didn't 
want it.  Nothing productive comes from people posting WHY they aren't 
going to buy the OP's tweed bag.  If the OP's price is out of line for any 
reason, his FS post will drift into oblivion on the list, with no harm 
done.  

Bill "in my humble opinion, of course" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:28:48 PM UTC-7, Nick Ybarra wrote:
>
> I think "tacky" best describes the actual price offered and then 
> "increasingly douche-y" the tone of the OP's posts.  Can't imagine wanting 
> to have a beer with anyone based on that.  Most of the responses seem 
> pretty level-headed and calm to me, which is one of the reasons I like this 
> group so much.
>
> -Nick in ATX  
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree with Garth on this one. If I wanted the bag bad enough 
>> I'd pay what Richard was asking. Asking being the key word here,  if I 
>> didn't want it for $200 I'd offer up what it was worth to me and he could 
>> take it or leave it. Win, lose or draw I wouldn't get to rattled about it 
>> either way.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 6:58:26 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not interested in the bag, so any set price is of no concern to me. 
>>>
>>> If I was interested in the bag, I would offer you what I was willing to 
>>> pay for it, so I can find no fault in your asking price since I would pay 
>>> no more than that regardless. It is not the sellers job to make me feel 
>>> good about buying something. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Thanks to all !  Really useful information here.  I'm really thinking I 
might make the leap.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 3:26:23 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> I say try it out. I have a 1x10 on my hunqapillar which is mostly seeing 
> road use these days. 42 White Industries ENO with a11-42 Sunrace cassette, 
> though I rarely use the 42t on the rear cassette (mostly because i keep 
> having trouble getting it to stay in that gear when climbing a hill), and I 
> find the other 9 gears 11-36 to be plenty fine. I live in pretty hilly area 
> with 45 minute ascents with a 4-5% grade, and do totally fine with that. 
> It's usually only when i'm on dirt that I start to use that 42t in the 
> rear. Never felt i wasn't fast enough on descents or flats.
>

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

WETH and Phillip thanks for checking out the photos. Phillip, I agree there 
are some great places to bike around here, from the oceanfront to rural 
Pungo and a bunch of other options. 


On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 3:28:46 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> nice, i grew up in virginia beach. greta places to bike around there!
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-4, mlpessar wrote:
>>
>> Enjoying a lovely Spring day here in Tidewater, Virginia. Temp about 68 
>> degrees, mostly sunny, about a 10mph breeze. Perfect day for a shake down 
>> cruise on the new Appaloosa recently purchased from a list member who 
>> generously offered this new-and-in-the-box bike at a more than generous 
>> price and with whom it was an absolute pleasure to deal. My hope was that 
>> I'd grow old with this bike and I find nothing to dash that hope. It is an 
>> absolute pleasure to ride and will handle anything I might throw at it. 
>> Plan is to  zip tie a medium Wald to the Mark's rack and from time to time 
>> use a Sackville saddlebag (medium or large) as missions dictate. 
>> Hope you enjoy the pics at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/149631067@N08/?
>> .
>> I enjoy reading the postings on this list and its civil tone. I've 
>> learned a bunch from you Bunchers.
>> Thanks, Marc.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks WETH and Phillip. I appreciate your taking a look at the pics. 
Phillip, yes I agree, there is some great place to bike in this area, from 
biking along the oceanfront to enjoying rural Pungo.


On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-4, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Enjoying a lovely Spring day here in Tidewater, Virginia. Temp about 68 
> degrees, mostly sunny, about a 10mph breeze. Perfect day for a shake down 
> cruise on the new Appaloosa recently purchased from a list member who 
> generously offered this new-and-in-the-box bike at a more than generous 
> price and with whom it was an absolute pleasure to deal. My hope was that 
> I'd grow old with this bike and I find nothing to dash that hope. It is an 
> absolute pleasure to ride and will handle anything I might throw at it. 
> Plan is to  zip tie a medium Wald to the Mark's rack and from time to time 
> use a Sackville saddlebag (medium or large) as missions dictate. 
> Hope you enjoy the pics at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/149631067@N08/?.
> I enjoy reading the postings on this list and its civil tone. I've learned 
> a bunch from you Bunchers.
> Thanks, Marc.
>

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Oh man -- missed opportunity.  Time to make another cybervisit

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> Thanks for the suggestion! I will add one or two to my cart!
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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Bill's note inspired me to order up a blue Medium Saddlesack, too.
Because it's blue.
How 'bout you?

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> On Apr 13, 2017, at 3:12 PM, WETH  wrote:
>
> Well done Bill!  Today, I put a blue small saddlesack in my cart. I will 
> complete transaction tonight once I make sure I don't "need" anything else!  
> The blue will look great on my Road Stnd and my green Cheviot!
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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I just put a pair of Torch's on my Karate Monkey this week and I'm 
similarly impressed with them.  I agree with your description of the tread. 
 My Big Apples are a smooth, continuous transition from sidewall to tread 
but the Torch has a very defined tread section with a well defined border 
between tread and sidewall.  I actually prefer this because it gives the 
bike a more "planted" feel.  If Compass ever comes out with a similar width 
700c tire, it will be hard not to purchase a set. 

Thanks for posting your Appaloosa.  Not only is it a beautiful bike but 
I've been sitting here imagining a Hunqapillar with Bullmoose bar and Torch 
tires.  Now I know how good it would actually look!  




On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:20:47 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> I have gone on a few rides now with Maxxis Torch tires mounted on my 
> Appaloosa. I'm using the stock rims (25mm outer IIRC). Tires are rated at 
> 700 x 53 and measure out around 51.5 after breaking in. So far, I like them 
> more than my Big Bens but maybe not as much as Compass tires. The treaded 
> area is quite thick compared to the sidewalls and has a hard edge, which I 
> was not expecting and is also hard to photograph. Folded up it appeared as 
> though there would be a significant effect on cornering but inflated the 
> tire has a nice tread coverage. I'm working them down slowly, they're now 
> at 30/35psi and feel like they could go much lower, but I'm still 
> experimenting. The tread is grippy even off road and held up on a short 
> steep dirt climb I've washed out on before. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Nick Ybarra]

I think "tacky" best describes the actual price offered and then 
"increasingly douche-y" the tone of the OP's posts.  Can't imagine wanting 
to have a beer with anyone based on that.  Most of the responses seem 
pretty level-headed and calm to me, which is one of the reasons I like this 
group so much.

-Nick in ATX  

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> I have to agree with Garth on this one. If I wanted the bag bad enough I'd 
> pay what Richard was asking. Asking being the key word here,  if I didn't 
> want it for $200 I'd offer up what it was worth to me and he could take it 
> or leave it. Win, lose or draw I wouldn't get to rattled about it either 
> way.
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 6:58:26 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>>
>> I am not interested in the bag, so any set price is of no concern to me. 
>>
>> If I was interested in the bag, I would offer you what I was willing to 
>> pay for it, so I can find no fault in your asking price since I would pay 
>> no more than that regardless. It is not the sellers job to make me feel 
>> good about buying something. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

[Philip Kim]

nice, i grew up in virginia beach. greta places to bike around there!

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-4, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Enjoying a lovely Spring day here in Tidewater, Virginia. Temp about 68 
> degrees, mostly sunny, about a 10mph breeze. Perfect day for a shake down 
> cruise on the new Appaloosa recently purchased from a list member who 
> generously offered this new-and-in-the-box bike at a more than generous 
> price and with whom it was an absolute pleasure to deal. My hope was that 
> I'd grow old with this bike and I find nothing to dash that hope. It is an 
> absolute pleasure to ride and will handle anything I might throw at it. 
> Plan is to  zip tie a medium Wald to the Mark's rack and from time to time 
> use a Sackville saddlebag (medium or large) as missions dictate. 
> Hope you enjoy the pics at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/149631067@N08/?.
> I enjoy reading the postings on this list and its civil tone. I've learned 
> a bunch from you Bunchers.
> Thanks, Marc.
>

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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[dstein]

I say try it out. I have a 1x10 on my hunqapillar which is mostly seeing 
road use these days. 42 White Industries ENO with a11-42 Sunrace cassette, 
though I rarely use the 42t on the rear cassette (mostly because i keep 
having trouble getting it to stay in that gear when climbing a hill), and I 
find the other 9 gears 11-36 to be plenty fine. I live in pretty hilly area 
with 45 minute ascents with a 4-5% grade, and do totally fine with that. 
It's usually only when i'm on dirt that I start to use that 42t in the 
rear. Never felt i wasn't fast enough on descents or flats.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[WETH]

Thanks for the suggestion! I will add one or two to my cart!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Bill Lindsay]

Consider the blue fender flaps while they still exist.  Those only get made 
from scraps.  No scraps means no flaps. 

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:12:09 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> Well done Bill!  Today, I put a blue small saddlesack in my cart. I will 
> complete transaction tonight once I make sure I don't "need" anything else! 
>  The blue will look great on my Road Stnd and my green Cheviot!
>

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[RBW] Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

[WETH]

Great photos of a beautiful bike.
Thanks for sharing.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[WETH]

Well done Bill!  Today, I put a blue small saddlesack in my cart. I will 
complete transaction tonight once I make sure I don't "need" anything else!  
The blue will look great on my Road Stnd and my green Cheviot!

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[RBW] Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Enjoying a lovely Spring day here in Tidewater, Virginia. Temp about 68 
degrees, mostly sunny, about a 10mph breeze. Perfect day for a shake down 
cruise on the new Appaloosa recently purchased from a list member who 
generously offered this new-and-in-the-box bike at a more than generous 
price and with whom it was an absolute pleasure to deal. My hope was that 
I'd grow old with this bike and I find nothing to dash that hope. It is an 
absolute pleasure to ride and will handle anything I might throw at it. 
Plan is to  zip tie a medium Wald to the Mark's rack and from time to time 
use a Sackville saddlebag (medium or large) as missions dictate. 
Hope you enjoy the pics at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/149631067@N08/?.
I enjoy reading the postings on this list and its civil tone. I've learned 
a bunch from you Bunchers.
Thanks, Marc.

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen slight color change?

[Bill Lindsay]

Will's bike (Waterford) is definitely a different shade than the Toyo 
Hilsen that I used to have.  Call Will up and ask him what Waterford calls 
the color.  I know he's there today.  Mine was a 58 (650B)

BL in EC

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>
> Saw Will's AHH on the Staff Bikes. Is it just me or did the color change 
> slighty?  It looks great!
>
> Also, I was wondering if anyone had any pictures of a 52cm AHH? Can't seem 
> to find any on the internet, but I know there was a 52cm that sold here 
> recently.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Phil
>

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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen slight color change?

[Philip Kim]

Saw Will's AHH on the Staff Bikes. Is it just me or did the color change 
slighty?  It looks great!

Also, I was wondering if anyone had any pictures of a 52cm AHH? Can't seem 
to find any on the internet, but I know there was a 52cm that sold here 
recently.

Thanks!

Phil

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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Bill Lindsay]

I ran my 650B A. Homer Hilsen for a while with a 1x9.  38T narrow wide ring 
in front 11-32 cassette.  It was plenty.  I keep surprising myself how low 
of a top gear I can live with.  Jan is a much faster rider than me and 
asserts he's never been dropped on a descent due to not having a high 
enough top gear.  His top gear is a 48x14 which is 94 inches.  38x11 on a 
27.5 inch wheel is 95 inches.  Good enough for Jan, good enough for anybody 
who is not a lot faster than Jan, IMO.  

I found 38x32 to be low enough for most unloaded on-road climbing.  If the 
bike was going to be ridden off-road or loaded I would have wanted lower. 
 I used a friction barcon shifter and a Shimano Deore XT short cage rear 
der.  RD M751-GS 

BL in EC

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 10:01:57 AM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Was wondering if anyone here has tried this kind of set up on one of Riv's 
> more roadish bikes?  I have a Soma San Marcos with the typical 2 chain 
> rings and was kind of thinking of trying a 1X.  I had a Surly Krampus with 
> a 1X.  If you do have this set up what are your components and do you like 
> it?  My area is flat to rolling hills mostly so I don't have to slay any 
> mountains.  I have most of my other bikes set up (even the Riv's) with an 
> Alfine 8 so I don't think I would feel like I'm too limited with 
> enough gearing options.  Its attractive to me as I tend to prefer simple 
> set ups in general - hence all the IGHs in the stable.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Kieran J]

Aw man, what a schmozzle! 
LOL


On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:37:52 PM UTC-4, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> So I kinda impulse bought the last Nigel Smythe saddle bag Riv had on web 
> specials...I am more  velvet underground grimey than er um insert classy 
> tweedish band here I can't think of one off hand. any way it is a no return 
> kida deal so I am gonna see if anyone here is interested. it's currently 
> sitting in my closet unopened in the box Riv used to ship it. I'm asking 
> 200 $ shipped. it cost me just shy of 160$ after tax and shipping. and I 
> figure since we are all pals here you wouldn't mind springing for a decent 
> 12er of beer so i can wash the regret away and the rest is shipping...let 
> me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 909 910-7424
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Bill Lindsay]

Grant prompted me to get off my butt.  I knew I needed (NEEDED, I SAY!) a 
BLUE saddlesack medium.  Despite the fact that I have one in Olive already 
the reasons were myriad

1.  It's blue
2.  My kids are 13 and 15 and this is the Summer of Campouts, and both are 
big enough to carry their own stuff
3.  Riv has a vanishing number of matching blue fender flaps
4.  My olive one has the 'good enough' but not 'best possible' leather 
bottom.  The Blue one has the best possible new bottom.  
5.  It's blue
6.  I would handwring up a storm when the blue ones are sold out 
7.  It's good for the soul to put money in the register at Rivendell 
Bicycle Works
8.  The matching blue shopsacks are coming, and will all look splendid on 
my new 650B Atlantis that's coming
9.  It's blue

So on my way to work I rolled by RBW HQ, saw the cool blueys in person, and 
bought a Saddlesack Medium and a matching pair of fender flaps.  

Bill bag-matchers-gonna-bag-match Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 5:53:15 AM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> At some point in the distant but forseeable future there will be a 
> scramble for sackville bags, and it will be lead by those who already have 
> a bag made with the highest quality materials and a flat-floored pouch that 
> doesn't tilt the load, and has a stiff lower lip and a flap-tongue that 
> contains the stuff inside so securely that the straps are almost 
> superfluous. "distant" is underterminable, but is not a ploy, and 
> "forseeable" is in sharper focus. Debate and wait all you like--the bags 
> are expensive, no doubt, but in 22 years of business, I've run into only 
> four vendor-suppliers (out of a thousand?) whose quality standards were 
> higher than our own, that never needed "guidance" or ramping up, and 
> Waterbury Leather Works--who makes those bags for us in Connecticutt—is one 
> of them. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Bob K.]

Big thread over on the iBob list recently regarding 1x drivetrains and touring 
bikes. Some of it may apply to your question: 

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/internet-bob/UotvyN-_a7k

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Small Clem Jr Frame

[Davey Two Shoes]

i too am looking, for a 52 though

On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> I Am looking to see if anyone has a H frame Clem Jr in the 45 size they 
> want to sell. 

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[RBW] ISO/WTB/WTT - New-ish Large Olive Saddlesack

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Pretty narrow target to hit here but I'm on the lookout for a Large 2016 
Saddlesack (with the non-leather bottom mounting) in the olive color. Just 
got off the phone with Riv and they said there *should* be more on the way 
at some point in the future but if someone has one they are unhappy with 
for whatever reason, let's talk! 

I use a large Swift Zeitgeist now, which is quite a bit smaller, but 
willing to trade it if that's what you're into. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Frank Brose]

I have to agree with Garth on this one. If I wanted the bag bad enough I'd 
pay what Richard was asking. Asking being the key word here,  if I didn't 
want it for $200 I'd offer up what it was worth to me and he could take it 
or leave it. Win, lose or draw I wouldn't get to rattled about it either 
way.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 6:58:26 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> I am not interested in the bag, so any set price is of no concern to me. 
>
> If I was interested in the bag, I would offer you what I was willing to 
> pay for it, so I can find no fault in your asking price since I would pay 
> no more than that regardless. It is not the sellers job to make me feel 
> good about buying something. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[EasyRider]

Also, gotta pic of your fork?

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-4, EasyRider wrote:
>
> Can the Pacenti MTB crown do a 1" steerer or is it only 1 1/8"?
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:52:07 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> i got clockworks to do a custom fork. the only trouble is that there are 
>> less options for fork crowns that can accommodate width. 
>>
>> i got the pacenti MTB crown, which certainly drove up the price since the 
>> pacenti MTB crown stock was dwindling, but the price was still decent. He 
>> might have cheaper options, but i was set on the pacenti crown. I'd contact 
>> him, because why not
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:22:04 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I'd definitely be in at that price point for that kind of fork.
>>>
>>> I was also thinking today about looking at custom builder who builds​ in 
>>> batches and have a similar fork for their semi custom runs... If the was 
>>> one like that it might be compelling and relatively less expensive to tack 
>>> on a couple forks.  Elephant and Bantam came to mind but of course both of 
>>> them are doing batches of threadless forks I believe.  They also seem to 
>>> have more than enough business these days anyway.
>>>
>>> But to your question, yes I'd be interested.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 16:29 Michael Morrissey  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I dug up info on the Jeff Lyon Rawland forks: they were around $250 
 each. That's not just pocket change, but the forks looked perfect and 
 beautiful. They also initially thought 4 people were interested, yet ended 
 up ordering 22 of them.

 Anyone interested at that price point? Who loves theit 26" beater/bar 
 bike/trash bike?!

 M

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[Gossamer]

No longer for sale...thx!

On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 8:34:26 PM UTC-5, Gossamer wrote:
>
> All: Make me a reasonable offer. The longer I have this the longer I have 
> to wait to get what I really want.
>
>
> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:16:53 PM UTC-6, Gossamer wrote:
>>
>> As close to new 58 Appaloosa in blue.
>>
>> Buil kit from Riv that included Nitto Choco Moose bars and added a read 
>> Pletscher Rack with pannier rails, front Mark's rack and Sackville small 
>> trunk (gray), kickstand. Currently has a Soma drop bar on it with Dura Ace 
>> shifters. Already newbaumed chain stay, both sets of bars and put on a 
>> great bell.
>>
>> Bike has fewer than 100 miles on it. It's closer to new than a demo could 
>> be...it's sadly too big despite following the fit guide.
>>
>> I'd be happy to discuss further if someone would like. I'd like to get 
>> $2100 for it since I have more than $2600 into it. It will be 
>> professionally shipped and you'll get both bars and all mentioned above. 
>> Only thing I would keep are the saddle and the pedals.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[EasyRider]

Can the Pacenti MTB crown do a 1" steerer or is it only 1 1/8"?

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:52:07 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> i got clockworks to do a custom fork. the only trouble is that there are 
> less options for fork crowns that can accommodate width. 
>
> i got the pacenti MTB crown, which certainly drove up the price since the 
> pacenti MTB crown stock was dwindling, but the price was still decent. He 
> might have cheaper options, but i was set on the pacenti crown. I'd contact 
> him, because why not
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:22:04 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I'd definitely be in at that price point for that kind of fork.
>>
>> I was also thinking today about looking at custom builder who builds​ in 
>> batches and have a similar fork for their semi custom runs... If the was 
>> one like that it might be compelling and relatively less expensive to tack 
>> on a couple forks.  Elephant and Bantam came to mind but of course both of 
>> them are doing batches of threadless forks I believe.  They also seem to 
>> have more than enough business these days anyway.
>>
>> But to your question, yes I'd be interested.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 16:29 Michael Morrissey  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I dug up info on the Jeff Lyon Rawland forks: they were around $250 
>>> each. That's not just pocket change, but the forks looked perfect and 
>>> beautiful. They also initially thought 4 people were interested, yet ended 
>>> up ordering 22 of them.
>>>
>>> Anyone interested at that price point? Who loves theit 26" beater/bar 
>>> bike/trash bike?!
>>>
>>> M
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Philip Kim]

i got clockworks to do a custom fork. the only trouble is that there are 
less options for fork crowns that can accommodate width. 

i got the pacenti MTB crown, which certainly drove up the price since the 
pacenti MTB crown stock was dwindling, but the price was still decent. He 
might have cheaper options, but i was set on the pacenti crown. I'd contact 
him, because why not


On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:22:04 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> I'd definitely be in at that price point for that kind of fork.
>
> I was also thinking today about looking at custom builder who builds​ in 
> batches and have a similar fork for their semi custom runs... If the was 
> one like that it might be compelling and relatively less expensive to tack 
> on a couple forks.  Elephant and Bantam came to mind but of course both of 
> them are doing batches of threadless forks I believe.  They also seem to 
> have more than enough business these days anyway.
>
> But to your question, yes I'd be interested.
>
> Tony
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 16:29 Michael Morrissey  > wrote:
>
>> I dug up info on the Jeff Lyon Rawland forks: they were around $250 each. 
>> That's not just pocket change, but the forks looked perfect and beautiful. 
>> They also initially thought 4 people were interested, yet ended up ordering 
>> 22 of them.
>>
>> Anyone interested at that price point? Who loves theit 26" beater/bar 
>> bike/trash bike?!
>>
>> M
>>
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: kindness

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

Wow. Thank you, Sky -- this message made my day.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
> wrote:

I couldn't agree more.  I've been in many chat group forums from guitars to 
antiques and other bike focused ones but this one is universally polite and 
"family friendly".  Not so in many others I'm afraid.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:58:22 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
There are a lot of bike geek forums and lists out there. In addition to its 
focus on Rivendell Bicycle Works, what has made this group uniquely appealing 
to me is the kindness and courtesy members extend to one another.  It isn't an 
exaggeration to say that it has increased my faith in the basic decency of 
people.  I mostly just sort of eavesdrop on conversations between other 
members, but since my main bike geek friend who introduced me to this list 
passed away, I've been slowly becoming a more active participant.  Strangers in 
this group, connected by technology and common interest, have helped fill some 
of the void that my friend's passing left.  So I guess I'd just like to say 
thank you to everyone for the kind, courteous and respectful interactions; it 
has really helped me feel connected to a community.

Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Joe Bernard]

First, I can do without "LOL, you all are strange" on this list. Second, break 
up your paragraphs so we can actually read this...whatever this is. Third, 
that's a nice bag. Keep it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[EasyRider]

Me too. I'd put it on a 1990 Trek 950. What crown to use?

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:37:30 AM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> If we are talking about 1" threaded, lugged crown, and a decent rake, I 
> might be interested. The fork on my 80's Trek Antelope doesn't have as long 
> a steerer ad I'd like, and the unicrown limits fender clearance.
>
> Eamon
>

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[RBW] FS/FT Fillet Brazed Bullmoose Nitto

[Timothy Orr]

Sold! Thanks to everyone who reached out directly.

Cheers,
Tim

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[RBW] FS: 2007 NEW 56CM GREEN RAMBOUILLET FRAME/FORK (LATE MODEL #RB1100)

['Gunner' via RBW Owners Bunch]

*FOR SALE: NEW 2007 56CM. GREEN RAMBOUILLET FRAME/ FORK/ HEADSET/BOTTOM 
BRACKET. *

I am the original owner. The frame was purchased new in 2007 from Rivendell 
Bike Works. The frame has never been built up and it is in new condition. 
 The serial number is (RB1100)  

$1450.00

Buyer will pay actual shipping charges. I will pay to have the frame/fork 
professionally packed at my local bike shop.

In addition, If interested I would consider selling the following 
components/parts (new/never installed) originally purchased for this 
Rambouillet build:

1. New Dura Ace 7700 series 32/36 9 speed, Mavic 700C MA-3 silver rims, 
Wheelsmith DB14 spokes (built by Peter White)

2. (4) Ruffy Tuffy 700C kevlar bead tires


3. Set of Honjo Fenders including all accessories

4. Set of Shimano R600 Brake Calipers (Dura Ace quality)

Thank you for your consideration

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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Philip Kim]

forgot to mention I found the 40t up front with 11-40 sufficient in DC 
area. morning part of my commute is a pretty long uphill climb heading into 
Virginia, i think about a couple of miles, and the 40t cog on the cassette 
is pretty decent.i don't carry much on my commute (change of clothes, 
lunch).

also the Pelican has a 107mm or 108mm bottom bracket I believe.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:17:28 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I've done the 1x9 on the San Marcos:
>
> 1x9 IRD extra wide cassette (12-40)
> Shimano 105 crank w/ 38t Wolftooth No-drop chain
> Shimano 105 derailleur w/ Wolftooth "Road Link"
> Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters in friction
>
> Here's a pic :
>
>
> 
>
>
> I found the 1x9 gearing easy to shift, but the gaps were a bit too much. 
>
>
> So I went with a 1x10 on a Box Dog Pelican before giving it to my 
> girlfriend
>
> 1x10 Sunrace Cassette (11-40)
> Sugino crankset with Wolftoof 40t no drop chain on the "inside" of the 
> 110bcd arms
> Shimano SLX 10 spd rear derailleur
> Gevenalle GX - Shifters, I got the short pull version
>
> The Gevenalle shifters use the microshifters that are for 10 speed Shimano 
> MTB rear derailleurs. Index flawlessly, and have a larger throw so friction 
> is also easy (YMMV). Very no-fuss set up.
>
> Here's a pic of the BDB Pelican (re-powdered pinkbecause thats what 
> she likes)
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:01:57 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>>
>> Was wondering if anyone here has tried this kind of set up on one of 
>> Riv's more roadish bikes?  I have a Soma San Marcos with the typical 2 
>> chain rings and was kind of thinking of trying a 1X.  I had a Surly 
>> Krampus with a 1X.  If you do have this set up what are your components and 
>> do you like it?  My area is flat to rolling hills mostly so I don't have to 
>> slay any mountains.  I have most of my other bikes set up (even the Riv's) 
>> with an Alfine 8 so I don't think I would feel like I'm too limited with 
>> enough gearing options.  Its attractive to me as I tend to prefer simple 
>> set ups in general - hence all the IGHs in the stable.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Philip Kim]

Chris,

I've done the 1x9 on the San Marcos:

1x9 IRD extra wide cassette (12-40)
Shimano 105 crank w/ 38t Wolftooth No-drop chain
Shimano 105 derailleur w/ Wolftooth "Road Link"
Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters in friction

Here's a pic :




I found the 1x9 gearing easy to shift, but the gaps were a bit too much. 


So I went with a 1x10 on a Box Dog Pelican before giving it to my girlfriend

1x10 Sunrace Cassette (11-40)
Sugino crankset with Wolftoof 40t no drop chain on the "inside" of the 
110bcd arms
Shimano SLX 10 spd rear derailleur
Gevenalle GX - Shifters, I got the short pull version

The Gevenalle shifters use the microshifters that are for 10 speed Shimano 
MTB rear derailleurs. Index flawlessly, and have a larger throw so friction 
is also easy (YMMV). Very no-fuss set up.

Here's a pic of the BDB Pelican (re-powdered pinkbecause thats what she 
likes)





On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:01:57 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Was wondering if anyone here has tried this kind of set up on one of Riv's 
> more roadish bikes?  I have a Soma San Marcos with the typical 2 chain 
> rings and was kind of thinking of trying a 1X.  I had a Surly Krampus with 
> a 1X.  If you do have this set up what are your components and do you like 
> it?  My area is flat to rolling hills mostly so I don't have to slay any 
> mountains.  I have most of my other bikes set up (even the Riv's) with an 
> Alfine 8 so I don't think I would feel like I'm too limited with 
> enough gearing options.  Its attractive to me as I tend to prefer simple 
> set ups in general - hence all the IGHs in the stable.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Have to agree with the above two posts.  For quite a while I had tried to 
acquire one but it was like seeking out a 4 leaf clover and I tired of it 
especially when there are other quality products out there.  I understand 
the whole cottage industry and all but at some point if you simply can't 
buy one you kind of drift away from it.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:44:07 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> I like the looks and quality of Acorn and have seen a few in the wild, but 
> got really frustrated trying to buy one.  They only make a certain quantity 
> each month and the ordering window seems to fill up in minutes.  I've used 
> FR, Sackville and (in the olden days)Cannondale but think Sackville are the 
> best by far for everyday biking.  I have 3 Sackville Saddlebags, a 
> trunkbag,two shopping bags.and a tool roll.  
>
> Marc
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:16:01 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with the Acorn bags?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Grant Petersen  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At some point in the distant but forseeable future there will be a 
>>> scramble for sackville bags, and it will be lead by those who already have 
>>> a bag made with the highest quality materials and a flat-floored pouch that 
>>> doesn't tilt the load, and has a stiff lower lip and a flap-tongue that 
>>> contains the stuff inside so securely that the straps are almost 
>>> superfluous. "distant" is underterminable, but is not a ploy, and 
>>> "forseeable" is in sharper focus. Debate and wait all you like--the bags 
>>> are expensive, no doubt, but in 22 years of business, I've run into only 
>>> four vendor-suppliers (out of a thousand?) whose quality standards were 
>>> higher than our own, that never needed "guidance" or ramping up, and 
>>> Waterbury Leather Works--who makes those bags for us in Connecticutt—is one 
>>> of them. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Jeff Lesperance  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:25 AM, drew  wrote:

> Is it possible that it's a quality control issue? I have a Nelson with 
> cardboard feeling, brittle, cracky leather and a camper with much 
> thicker, 
> quality feeling leather. Both purchased in the same year.
>
>
 I have a Camper (longflap) that I bought in the last two years - I 
 suppose it could have been NOS, that has the green canvas and honey 
 leather 
 straps, and the straps are thick and robust. I've had two second-hand 
 Carradice bags over the past five years, one a Nelson, and one a Camper - 
 both were the black fabric with white leather straps IIRC, and the leather 
 on both was thin and appeared to scuff and stretch when pulled tight in 
 the 
 buckles - I'd not have trusted them to last over years of regular usage. I 
 ended up selling those bags, not because of the straps, but they were a 
 concern at the time.

 -Jeff
 Silver Spring, MD

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[RBW] Re: kindness

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I couldn't agree more.  I've been in many chat group forums from guitars to 
antiques and other bike focused ones but this one is universally polite and 
"family friendly".  Not so in many others I'm afraid.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:58:22 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> There are a lot of bike geek forums and lists out there. In addition to 
> its focus on Rivendell Bicycle Works, what has made this group uniquely 
> appealing to me is the kindness and courtesy members extend to one another. 
>  It isn't an exaggeration to say that it has increased my faith in the 
> basic decency of people.  I mostly just sort of eavesdrop on conversations 
> between other members, but since my main bike geek friend who introduced me 
> to this list passed away, I've been slowly becoming a more active 
> participant.  Strangers in this group, connected by technology and common 
> interest, have helped fill some of the void that my friend's passing left. 
>  So I guess I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the kind, 
> courteous and respectful interactions; it has really helped me feel 
> connected to a community.
>
> Sky in new west  
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[RBW] Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Was wondering if anyone here has tried this kind of set up on one of Riv's 
more roadish bikes?  I have a Soma San Marcos with the typical 2 chain 
rings and was kind of thinking of trying a 1X.  I had a Surly Krampus with 
a 1X.  If you do have this set up what are your components and do you like 
it?  My area is flat to rolling hills mostly so I don't have to slay any 
mountains.  I have most of my other bikes set up (even the Riv's) with an 
Alfine 8 so I don't think I would feel like I'm too limited with 
enough gearing options.  Its attractive to me as I tend to prefer simple 
set ups in general - hence all the IGHs in the stable.

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[RBW] kindness

[Sky Coulter]

There are a lot of bike geek forums and lists out there. In addition to its 
focus on Rivendell Bicycle Works, what has made this group uniquely 
appealing to me is the kindness and courtesy members extend to one another. 
 It isn't an exaggeration to say that it has increased my faith in the 
basic decency of people.  I mostly just sort of eavesdrop on conversations 
between other members, but since my main bike geek friend who introduced me 
to this list passed away, I've been slowly becoming a more active 
participant.  Strangers in this group, connected by technology and common 
interest, have helped fill some of the void that my friend's passing left. 
 So I guess I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the kind, 
courteous and respectful interactions; it has really helped me feel 
connected to a community.

Sky in new west  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Marc Irwin]

I like the looks and quality of Acorn and have seen a few in the wild, but 
got really frustrated trying to buy one.  They only make a certain quantity 
each month and the ordering window seems to fill up in minutes.  I've used 
FR, Sackville and (in the olden days)Cannondale but think Sackville are the 
best by far for everyday biking.  I have 3 Sackville Saddlebags, a 
trunkbag,two shopping bags.and a tool roll.  

Marc

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:16:01 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Acorn bags?
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Grant Petersen  > wrote:
>
>> At some point in the distant but forseeable future there will be a 
>> scramble for sackville bags, and it will be lead by those who already have 
>> a bag made with the highest quality materials and a flat-floored pouch that 
>> doesn't tilt the load, and has a stiff lower lip and a flap-tongue that 
>> contains the stuff inside so securely that the straps are almost 
>> superfluous. "distant" is underterminable, but is not a ploy, and 
>> "forseeable" is in sharper focus. Debate and wait all you like--the bags 
>> are expensive, no doubt, but in 22 years of business, I've run into only 
>> four vendor-suppliers (out of a thousand?) whose quality standards were 
>> higher than our own, that never needed "guidance" or ramping up, and 
>> Waterbury Leather Works--who makes those bags for us in Connecticutt—is one 
>> of them. 
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Jeff Lesperance > > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:25 AM, drew >> > wrote:
>>>
 Is it possible that it's a quality control issue? I have a Nelson with 
 cardboard feeling, brittle, cracky leather and a camper with much thicker, 
 quality feeling leather. Both purchased in the same year.


>>> I have a Camper (longflap) that I bought in the last two years - I 
>>> suppose it could have been NOS, that has the green canvas and honey leather 
>>> straps, and the straps are thick and robust. I've had two second-hand 
>>> Carradice bags over the past five years, one a Nelson, and one a Camper - 
>>> both were the black fabric with white leather straps IIRC, and the leather 
>>> on both was thin and appeared to scuff and stretch when pulled tight in the 
>>> buckles - I'd not have trusted them to last over years of regular usage. I 
>>> ended up selling those bags, not because of the straps, but they were a 
>>> concern at the time.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> Silver Spring, MD
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[drew]

Ugh
The idea that it's somehow more common in the real world to tell a person that 
you paid less for an item than what you are charging them, when does that ever 
happen?
Also, for me, the idea that someone new has to reimburse your past shipping 
cost because you didn't like what you chose to buy, and then has to also pay 
their own shipping the logic is just frustrating, man. Why does someone owe 
you 20$ of beer whenever you buy something you don't want?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm centerpull Saluki

[Donald Funke]

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:07:22 PM UTC-6, Rob wrote:
>
> The frame has been sold. I'll have the bits listed below for sale shortly, 
> PM me if you're interested. Haven't figured out pricing yet.
>
>>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHskoeejxJ
>>
>>
> *Wheel package: *
> Wheels: Hand built by G Cycles.
> Rims: 650B 32H front, 36H rear Compass Cycles Gran Bois polished
> Spokes: DT
> Hubs: SON20 delux generator front, White Industries Mi5 rear with new 
> bearings.
> Tires: Compass Cycle Babyshoe Pass 42mm
> Cassette: Rivendell IRC 8-spd 12-34 
>  
> *Fenders:*
> Gilles Berthoud Alloy for 650b. Probably best with 38mm tires, but I used 
> them with 42mm without issue. Nice one-stay installation.
>
> *Pedals: *
> MKS Grip Kings
>
> *Chain: *
> Connectix Stainless Steel - about a year of riding, plenty of life left. 
>
> FD: 
> Campagnolo Super Record
>  
> Brifters: 
> Campagnolo Daytona 10-spd (need a rebuild though)
>  
> Handlebar: 
> Compass Cycle 41cm Randonneur
>  
> Stem: 
> Nitto Dirt Drop
>  
> Seatpost: 
> Nitto S83
>  
> Front Rack: 
> Mark's Rack
>
> Front Light: 
> SON Edelux I LED
>
> Rear Rack: 
> Nitto Big Rack (old style) 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Daniel D.]

you're already drinking enough.  No beer money for you.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[iamkeith]

The Tange ones I'm talking about are from the 90's, are canti brake 
compatible, and look like this:  

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/download/file.php?id=12350

They licensed the crown design from Bontrager who's forks were similar, but 
usually had a black crown, beefier legs, and go for a lot more money in the 
used market place.  The Tange one is probably  fine or even more 
appropriate for your purpose, because the legs aren't as stiff.  I actually 
have a couple of the Bontrager ones sitting on my desk at the moment, 
because I'm doing the steerer swap.  If you find one and are interested, I 
can walk you through the process and show you where to find the steerers.

Another thought I just had, that may be the best one yet - especially if 
you can find a 26" riv fork or a too-short X0-1 fork - is to do a steerer 
extension.   That would surely cost less than a new custom.  I think the 
typical method is to use a inner dowel/sleeve to butt a new section on and 
maintain alignment, and then braze or weld together.   On a shorter fork, 
the sleeve could cause problems with a quill stem, but yours is long enough 
that it might work great.  

I didn't realize until now that the XO-2/XO-4 crown was different than the 
XO-1/Atlantis.  The later takes a pretty wide tire.  I can't imagine how 
that decision made sense, but it sure illustrates the kind of corporate 
bean counting that Grant must have had to deal with at the time.



On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:32:05 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Thanks Keith!  Yeah that gray one was almost perfect, might have been 
> 'close enough' as I have some margin at 24cm.  I am keeping an eye on ebay, 
> not quite every day but I do have some searches going.  Those switchblade 
> forks look like they are mostly disc forks... which would work but would 
> necessitate some wheel changes and different braking styles front to back 
> for sure! :)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:06 AM iamkeith  > wrote:
>
>> Here's one that only missed by a cm of steerer length:
>>
>>
>> http://m.ebay.com/itm/26-inch-Bike-Fork-Gray-1-in-Threaded-for-Mountain-Comfort-Bike-V-Brake-Compatble-/232298936149?hash=item3616187755%3Ag%3AtfQAAOSwU8hY7AnU
>>
>> Im sure you're watching the bay already, but you should keep an eye for 
>> complete bikes as a donor, too.  Some of those old lugged stumpjumpers, for 
>> instance, had long headtubes with cool biplane fork crowns and can often be 
>> had for your price range.
>>
>> Another idea is to look for a tange (or bontrager) switchblade fork, 
>> which also come up regularly.  You can bolt in any 1" steerer in a matter 
>> of moments, to get the length you need.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Richard I guess you confused everyone as to your asking price.  You said* 
I'm asking 200 $ shipped. it cost me just shy of 160$ after tax and 
shipping.  *So this reads as $200 and not the under $160  (your cost)you 
now say you intended to sell it for.  You can understand the disconnect.  
Good luck with your local sale!

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:21:55 AM UTC-4, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> LOL! you all are strange. Perhaps less time on the internet in a state of 
> mental moral high ground  and in the real world. My number was up there if 
> you didn't see the humor or like the pricing or worried someone would make 
> a red cent on something so morally reprehensible you coulda called and 
> asked what's up. if you really wanted the bag, you coulda called or txted 
> if thats to big a step for ya and said I'm a cheapskate kinda person who 
> wouldn't buy his pal a beer if he were stranded in the Sahara and dying of 
> thirst (but I happen to love kinda expensive bike crap) can you send the 
> bag for what it cost and shipping. since I'm not an internet "richard" id 
> of easily said sure but we couldn't be friends. I gonna leave this up here 
> for shots n giggles and perhaps as a warning to who ya might want to or not 
> deal with (myself included in that)...if you are local socal and interested 
> in the bag hit me up. your welcome to it for what I paid which is what you 
> woulda paid anyway. I will ask ya ta buy me a beer on principal, perhaps a 
> ride to talk about bikes and other cool shit velvits, stooges, BRMC, 
> BJM,MMA,BJJ,fringe,x files any one?... this Truly was one of the dumbest 
> threads ever. if ever i go to sell anything here again I will make sure to 
> include plenty of Golly Gee, Awe Shucks, and you know my money is going 
> right back to Riv !) I will also make sure I am losing ample amounts of 
> money on said stuff as to please the internet gods. Gosh (said in N 
> Dynamite voice)this will be difficult though, as I will have to take my I 
> voted for Trump t shirt off first !) 
>
> best, 
>
> Richard it not be rum but beer im spongin for Rios !) 
>
> Richard I suggest boxers rather than briefs that are to right Rios 
>
> Richard damn now how's my kid supposed ta eat Rios 
>
> Richard damn have a sense of humor would ya Rios 
>
> Richard dang we are all pals on these posts till ya say something we don't 
> like then reow Rios 
>
> much love to am the normies on the list and peeps I have met in person who 
> are cool. 
>
> To a recently made friend on a local ride guess I got out of my lane on 
> this one HA! 
>
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[RBW] FS again

[Andrew Huston]

Getting this to the top of the list. Ordered a Joe and would rather deck it out 
than have two bikes, one of which will likely not get much use. Near new is an 
honest description. 

https://saginaw.craigslist.org/bik/6081708623.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Keith!  Yeah that gray one was almost perfect, might have been
'close enough' as I have some margin at 24cm.  I am keeping an eye on ebay,
not quite every day but I do have some searches going.  Those switchblade
forks look like they are mostly disc forks... which would work but would
necessitate some wheel changes and different braking styles front to back
for sure! :)



On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:06 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> Here's one that only missed by a cm of steerer length:
>
>
> http://m.ebay.com/itm/26-inch-Bike-Fork-Gray-1-in-Threaded-for-Mountain-Comfort-Bike-V-Brake-Compatble-/232298936149?hash=item3616187755%3Ag%3AtfQAAOSwU8hY7AnU
>
> Im sure you're watching the bay already, but you should keep an eye for
> complete bikes as a donor, too.  Some of those old lugged stumpjumpers, for
> instance, had long headtubes with cool biplane fork crowns and can often be
> had for your price range.
>
> Another idea is to look for a tange (or bontrager) switchblade fork, which
> also come up regularly.  You can bolt in any 1" steerer in a matter of
> moments, to get the length you need.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Richard Rios]

LOL! you all are strange. Perhaps less time on the internet in a state of 
mental moral high ground  and in the real world. My number was up there if you 
didn't see the humor or like the pricing or worried someone would make a red 
cent on something so morally reprehensible you coulda called and asked what's 
up. if you really wanted the bag, you coulda called or txted if thats to big a 
step for ya and said I'm a cheapskate kinda person who wouldn't buy his pal a 
beer if he were stranded in the Sahara and dying of thirst (but I happen to 
love kinda expensive bike crap) can you send the bag for what it cost and 
shipping. since I'm not an internet "richard" id of easily said sure but we 
couldn't be friends. I gonna leave this up here for shots n giggles and perhaps 
as a warning to who ya might want to or not deal with (myself included in 
that)...if you are local socal and interested in the bag hit me up. your 
welcome to it for what I paid which is what you woulda paid anyway. I will ask 
ya ta buy me a beer on principal, perhaps a ride to talk about bikes and other 
cool shit velvits, stooges, BRMC, BJM,MMA,BJJ,fringe,x files any one?... this 
Truly was one of the dumbest threads ever. if ever i go to sell anything here 
again I will make sure to include plenty of Golly Gee, Awe Shucks, and you know 
my money is going right back to Riv !) I will also make sure I am losing ample 
amounts of money on said stuff as to please the internet gods. Gosh (said in N 
Dynamite voice)this will be difficult though, as I will have to take my I voted 
for Trump t shirt off first !)

best,

Richard it not be rum but beer im spongin for Rios !)

Richard I suggest boxers rather than briefs that are to right Rios

Richard damn now how's my kid supposed ta eat Rios

Richard damn have a sense of humor would ya Rios

Richard dang we are all pals on these posts till ya say something we don't like 
then reow Rios

much love to am the normies on the list and peeps I have met in person who are 
cool.

To a recently made friend on a local ride guess I got out of my lane on this 
one HA! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Jeff Lesperance]

I've had a few Acorn bags over the years, and still have what was their
large saddebag in my inventory, though I think that particular design no
longer exists in their catalog. Though I haven't had a new Acorn bag in
several years, the bags I've had from them have been of high quality
materials and with good/smart design and assemblage. My recollection is
that they've been tricky to acquire, so I've looked elsewhere for recent
needs.

Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with the Acorn bags?
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Grant Petersen 
> wrote:
>
>> At some point in the distant but forseeable future there will be a
>> scramble for sackville bags, and it will be lead by those who already have
>> a bag made with the highest quality materials and a flat-floored pouch that
>> doesn't tilt the load, and has a stiff lower lip and a flap-tongue that
>> contains the stuff inside so securely that the straps are almost
>> superfluous. "distant" is underterminable, but is not a ploy, and
>> "forseeable" is in sharper focus. Debate and wait all you like--the bags
>> are expensive, no doubt, but in 22 years of business, I've run into only
>> four vendor-suppliers (out of a thousand?) whose quality standards were
>> higher than our own, that never needed "guidance" or ramping up, and
>> Waterbury Leather Works--who makes those bags for us in Connecticutt—is one
>> of them.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Jeff Lesperance <
>> jeff.lespera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:25 AM, drew  wrote:
>>>
 Is it possible that it's a quality control issue? I have a Nelson with
 cardboard feeling, brittle, cracky leather and a camper with much thicker,
 quality feeling leather. Both purchased in the same year.


>>> I have a Camper (longflap) that I bought in the last two years - I
>>> suppose it could have been NOS, that has the green canvas and honey leather
>>> straps, and the straps are thick and robust. I've had two second-hand
>>> Carradice bags over the past five years, one a Nelson, and one a Camper -
>>> both were the black fabric with white leather straps IIRC, and the leather
>>> on both was thin and appeared to scuff and stretch when pulled tight in the
>>> buckles - I'd not have trusted them to last over years of regular usage. I
>>> ended up selling those bags, not because of the straps, but they were a
>>> concern at the time.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> Silver Spring, MD
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Jeff Lesperance]

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> With the internet it's pretty easy to establish a selling or going price
> for bikes and components. In an auction they do add a buyers premium or
> penalty  for a purchase.  Just me but if listed something on this forum I
> would not add in a grater profit since it is the forum versus a pure
> financial vehicle such as eBay


I tend to do this as well - if I'm offering something up to this, or the
iBob list, it's almost never for a profit, if so it's in the few dollars
range, and in many cases it's at a loss or as a "pay-it-forward"
transaction. When I have something that I know could turn a profit and help
fund further bike interests, I typically turn to other venues - these are
often items that I would tend to think wouldn't be of interest to the
audience of said lists anyhow. I've historically funded my bike hobby, to
the point where I fully funded brand-new complete bikes, by flipping bikes
on Craigslist - hipsters pay a tax there, for a cleaned up and stripped
down single speed or fixie conversion, and I keep the parts I stripped off
for future builds or for recycling to this community. There are few
transaction I make to bring new items in that haven't been self-funded this
way, and I think it's nice to pass on the extra bits that I might have to
other enthusiasts here in this community for a fair price and with a clear
conscience. I suppose I may have been taken advantage of on some occasions,
but if so, I haven't felt it in any way.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Lee Legrand]

Does anyone have experience with the Acorn bags?

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Grant Petersen  wrote:

> At some point in the distant but forseeable future there will be a
> scramble for sackville bags, and it will be lead by those who already have
> a bag made with the highest quality materials and a flat-floored pouch that
> doesn't tilt the load, and has a stiff lower lip and a flap-tongue that
> contains the stuff inside so securely that the straps are almost
> superfluous. "distant" is underterminable, but is not a ploy, and
> "forseeable" is in sharper focus. Debate and wait all you like--the bags
> are expensive, no doubt, but in 22 years of business, I've run into only
> four vendor-suppliers (out of a thousand?) whose quality standards were
> higher than our own, that never needed "guidance" or ramping up, and
> Waterbury Leather Works--who makes those bags for us in Connecticutt—is one
> of them.
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Jeff Lesperance <
> jeff.lespera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:25 AM, drew  wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible that it's a quality control issue? I have a Nelson with
>>> cardboard feeling, brittle, cracky leather and a camper with much thicker,
>>> quality feeling leather. Both purchased in the same year.
>>>
>>>
>> I have a Camper (longflap) that I bought in the last two years - I
>> suppose it could have been NOS, that has the green canvas and honey leather
>> straps, and the straps are thick and robust. I've had two second-hand
>> Carradice bags over the past five years, one a Nelson, and one a Camper -
>> both were the black fabric with white leather straps IIRC, and the leather
>> on both was thin and appeared to scuff and stretch when pulled tight in the
>> buckles - I'd not have trusted them to last over years of regular usage. I
>> ended up selling those bags, not because of the straps, but they were a
>> concern at the time.
>>
>> -Jeff
>> Silver Spring, MD
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS 2 Revelate Designs Mountain Feedbag

[Bruce Smitham]

Both Revelate Bags are sold. Wow, that was fast!
On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 10:19:00 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> For sale are 2 Revelate Designs Mountain Feedbags in excellent condition 
> $30 each or both for $55 and I'll ship for free. Looks like this but in all 
> black: 
> https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53d3068ce4b01ef7480f10cb/54316be9e4b026c8b257208d/546e5e4ee4b0db2f13d712ad/1454023389630/revelate+mtn+feed+bag+2.JPG?format=750w
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> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
>
>
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Re: [RBW] ISO (maybe) Clementine or Cheviot

[Dan McNamara]

I have an orange 55cm Cheviot that I could make available. Are you looking
for a complete bike or F/F/HS?

Dan

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Looking for a step through. Let me know if you have something.. PBH 83cm
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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Chris Birkenmaier]

With the internet it's pretty easy to establish a selling or going price for 
bikes and components. In an auction they do add a buyers premium or penalty  
for a purchase.  Just me but if listed something on this forum I would not add 
in a grater profit since it is the forum versus a pure financial vehicle such 
as eBay 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Minh]

Interesting response from folks, if Richard had not listed his original 
price (which i don't think he needed to do) would the reactions be the 
same?  We're talking about an item that is not made anymore--and has not 
been made for quite a long time.  The question shouldn't be if it's icky 
that richard is making a few bucks off this, but whether you think a NOS NS 
Tweed Country Bag is worth $200 shipped.  

As many of you do, i use the list to sell parts that i bought and didn't 
use or bought on impulse.  More often than not i take a small loss on it, 
but every now and then i do make a few bucks because i bought low or found 
something on closeout.  I price items at the going rate (or what i think it 
is), if its too high i lower it, too low and it sells quickly.  Isn't that 
how its supposed to work?  Am i really 'taking advantage' of someone on the 
list if i get more than what i paid for it?  

Maybe i should start throwing away the receipts for all my purchases so i 
don't remember what i paid for things i resell.

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[RBW] ISO (maybe) Clementine or Cheviot

[Belopsky]

Looking for a step through. Let me know if you have something.. PBH 83cm

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[RBW] S240 Season Opener Pics

[John Stowe]

Glad to see another family getting out there! We will be riding the Erie Canal 
this summer with our 4 year old and his grandmother so thanks for the preview. 
Mommy and Grandma are apprehensive about the snake picture though.

Just put in our deposit with Gravel & Grind (Frederick, MD) on a Cheviot for my 
wife so we will be doubling up on Rivs for the trip. We are looking forward to 
some "training" S24Os on the C this spring!

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[iamkeith]

Here's one that only missed by a cm of steerer length:  

http://m.ebay.com/itm/26-inch-Bike-Fork-Gray-1-in-Threaded-for-Mountain-Comfort-Bike-V-Brake-Compatble-/232298936149?hash=item3616187755%3Ag%3AtfQAAOSwU8hY7AnU

Im sure you're watching the bay already, but you should keep an eye for 
complete bikes as a donor, too.  Some of those old lugged stumpjumpers, for 
instance, had long headtubes with cool biplane fork crowns and can often be had 
for your price range.

Another idea is to look for a tange (or bontrager) switchblade fork, which also 
come up regularly.  You can bolt in any 1" steerer in a matter of moments, to 
get the length you need.

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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA wool, Brooks saddles

['thalasin' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Champion Flyer and B17 are sold.  B17s and MUSA wool are still 
available.

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 2:32:18 PM UTC-6, thalasin wrote:
>
> MUSA wool vest, size small.  $40 + shipping
>
> MUSA wool cardigan, size small. $50 + shipping
>
> Brooks B17 Honey.  Well broken in!  Has been maintained with Obenauf's but 
> still plenty of life. $40 + shipping
>
> Brooks Champion Flyer, black.  $60 + shipping
>
> Brooks B17s Honey.  Barely used.  $70 + shipping
>
> All items shown here 
> . 
>  Happy to answer any questions or send add'l photos.  I'm in Denver, CO, if 
> you happen to be local!  
>
> Thx for looking!
>
> Tracy H.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Grant Petersen]

At some point in the distant but forseeable future there will be a scramble
for sackville bags, and it will be lead by those who already have a bag
made with the highest quality materials and a flat-floored pouch that
doesn't tilt the load, and has a stiff lower lip and a flap-tongue that
contains the stuff inside so securely that the straps are almost
superfluous. "distant" is underterminable, but is not a ploy, and
"forseeable" is in sharper focus. Debate and wait all you like--the bags
are expensive, no doubt, but in 22 years of business, I've run into only
four vendor-suppliers (out of a thousand?) whose quality standards were
higher than our own, that never needed "guidance" or ramping up, and
Waterbury Leather Works--who makes those bags for us in Connecticutt—is one
of them.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Jeff Lesperance 
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:25 AM, drew  wrote:
>
>> Is it possible that it's a quality control issue? I have a Nelson with
>> cardboard feeling, brittle, cracky leather and a camper with much thicker,
>> quality feeling leather. Both purchased in the same year.
>>
>>
> I have a Camper (longflap) that I bought in the last two years - I suppose
> it could have been NOS, that has the green canvas and honey leather straps,
> and the straps are thick and robust. I've had two second-hand Carradice
> bags over the past five years, one a Nelson, and one a Camper - both were
> the black fabric with white leather straps IIRC, and the leather on both
> was thin and appeared to scuff and stretch when pulled tight in the buckles
> - I'd not have trusted them to last over years of regular usage. I ended up
> selling those bags, not because of the straps, but they were a concern at
> the time.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Brian Campbell]

What a stupid attempt at selling something. easily the dumbest thread I 
have seen in 2017 on this list.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Bruce Baker]

I would cal this ethically tacky.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Bob K.  wrote:

> Richard,
>
> While I appreciate your transparency with pricing, I disagree with your
> logic. You are also more than free to price your item for what you think
> it's worth.
>
> And yes, we've most certainly all bought something on a whim and then
> decided it wasn't for us. I did this last week, and now I have a $40
> derailleur that I'm not going to use for my a build, and I'll be lucky to
> get 50% of what I paid for it back. So it goes.
>
> But in the end, your bag is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. You
> were willing to pay $160 for it. Someone may go $200.
>
> Bob K. who is also a big Velvet Inderground fan and former N.S. Saddlebag
> owner in Baltimore
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[RBW] FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Garth]

I am not interested in the bag, so any set price is of no concern to me. 

If I was interested in the bag, I would offer you what I was willing to pay for 
it, so I can find no fault in your asking price since I would pay no more than 
that regardless. It is not the sellers job to make me feel good about buying 
something. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Jeff Lesperance]

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 1:25 AM, drew  wrote:

> Is it possible that it's a quality control issue? I have a Nelson with
> cardboard feeling, brittle, cracky leather and a camper with much thicker,
> quality feeling leather. Both purchased in the same year.
>
>
I have a Camper (longflap) that I bought in the last two years - I suppose
it could have been NOS, that has the green canvas and honey leather straps,
and the straps are thick and robust. I've had two second-hand Carradice
bags over the past five years, one a Nelson, and one a Camper - both were
the black fabric with white leather straps IIRC, and the leather on both
was thin and appeared to scuff and stretch when pulled tight in the buckles
- I'd not have trusted them to last over years of regular usage. I ended up
selling those bags, not because of the straps, but they were a concern at
the time.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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Re: [RBW] FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Bob K.]

Richard,

While I appreciate your transparency with pricing, I disagree with your logic. 
You are also more than free to price your item for what you think it's worth.

And yes, we've most certainly all bought something on a whim and then decided 
it wasn't for us. I did this last week, and now I have a $40 derailleur that 
I'm not going to use for my a build, and I'll be lucky to get 50% of what I 
paid for it back. So it goes.

But in the end, your bag is worth whatever someone is willing to pay. You were 
willing to pay $160 for it. Someone may go $200.

Bob K. who is also a big Velvet Inderground fan and former N.S. Saddlebag owner 
in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Joe Bernard]

Shipping should be under $14.00, so anything above that up to the $200 is 
profit. He wants extra cash for...I don't have a clue. This is a strange 
request, in my opinion. 

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Re: [RBW] FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Richard,

If you aren't looking to make money on it then why not offer to sell it for
what you paid plus the actual cost of shipping?

I see you saying you aren't looking to profit, and then I see you selling
something for more than you paid. It's confusing.


Reed

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:03 PM Richard Rios 
wrote:

> nope numbers are right. didn't set out to scalp it or try to make what
> maybe a whopping a 15-20$ "profit". I got better stuff to do with my time
> than waste it on endevors like that. No one here ever impulse buy
> anything...then decide not my jam. I dont hate the bag and would just as
> soon keep it than lose money on it. if I were actually trying to make money
> on it I'd put it up on ebay for a heinous sum or up for bid with all the
> sniping jackyls. just thought i'd offer it up here if anyone is interested.
> I disclosed what I paid and reasonable shipping will be around 20$ ish i
> assume, so yep caught me! my get rich scheme has been foiled!perhaps
> consider it a courtisy fee...people get paid to stand in line for stuff
> these days!) toothpaste helps wash bad tastes out of the mouth, but I'd
> recommend the good and not super CHEAP kind. what target you at charging 50
> cents more per tube than wal-Mart you scalpers you!LOL come on guys
> really!? Jim if this is some kinda outrage or crime against list rules let
> me know I will remove post no problemo.
>
> best
> Richard " call me Tonto " Rios
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