Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[drew]

I'm selling a basically new carradice Nelson longflap in olive (to fund a blue 
saddlesack) in another thread, if anyone is interested. 100$ shipped. Pm me

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[RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[John McClusky]

I love my Barlow Pass Extralights.  The Bon Jon Pass tires came out right 
after I bought them and I was disappointed that I missed the opportunity 
for thinner and lighter (last road tires I had bought were 23mm on a 
Bianchi).  Now that I've adjusted to my "fast road tires" being 38mm wide, 
I really appreciate having the extra cushion.  I don't think I'd notice a 
ride difference in the weight.

John

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 6:01:55 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Which Compass tires or something else do you really like for your Sam? 
> I'll mostly be using mine for pavement and light gravel, dirt and grass. 
> Thanks

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Re: [RBW] FS: Green Clem Smith Jr H 59CM - stock build with SKS fenders - $800 plus shipping - moving sale

[iamkeith]

Funny - just got back from a nice visit to that area myself - or St. Pete, more 
accurately.  Interestingly, the entire time i was there, i was desperately 
wishing i had my 59 clem.  Would have loved to have cruised the Pinellas 
Parkway for a few hours, then tried out some of the abundant-but-not-hilly 
single track, then cruised along the beaches at sunset.  With its somewhat 
upright riding position for contending with traffic, and huge, floaty tires for 
sandy areas, i would think it an ideal bike for the area - similar to all the 
comfort bikes and beach cruisers that the locals all seemed to ride, but but 
better performing than either.

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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Ron Mc]

*Here's the 3x5* 

 
on my "new" Lenton - this works because I have an OS 47T big ring - I had 
these parts and plugged in two freewheels I had - the IRD was perfect.  

and *here's the 3x7 
*
 
on my International using a new TA 46T big ring, and a Suntour Winner 
wide-7  



Both are pretty Perfect.  


On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 8:34:29 PM UTC-5, GAJett wrote:
>
> As a devotee of half-step+granny I'm interested in your gearing.  Tooth 
> counts front and rear please.  
>
> I'm finding building half-steps getting challenging as many chainwheel 
> makers have very limited odd--toothed options.  the T/A Zephyr being an 
> exception.
> Cheers!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Philip Kim]

Also might help to bolt the fender to marks rack with some spacers as well

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[RBW] Re: #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Davey Two Shoes]

pull rubber hairs off the tire and move on :)

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 9:19:37 PM UTC-4, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Ok I broke the cardinal rule and didn't leave well enough alone. I have a 
> newer Sam with sidepull Tektro brakes. My tires are 40mm Clement MSO. The 
> fenders are SKS P45. My front fender is driving me nuts! I had been riding 
> the bike without any rubbing but I noticed the other day that the nose of 
> the fender is curved to one side. I attempted to straighten it out and I 
> quickly determined there is nothing I can do to straighten it. Now I am 
> putting it all back together including the Mark's rack and I can get it so 
> it's not rubbing. It's close but the little rubber hairs on the tire are 
> rubbing. Maybe when I get it off the stand and go ride it I won't notice 
> but I could help but think a better mechanic then I can get them just 
> right. At this point I'm ready to rip them both off. Is there anyone out 
> there who can restore my sanity by giving me some tips on aligning these 
> properly?

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[RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Philip Kim]

Possibly need a wider fender. If I remember correctly I ran p50s on my sam

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Re: [RBW] FS: Green Clem Smith Jr H 59CM - stock build with SKS fenders - $800 plus shipping - moving sale

[Philip Kim]

Not my size but just recently visited Tampa. What a nice city. Especially liked 
ybor and seminole heights.

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[RBW] FS: Green Clem Smith Jr H 59CM - stock build with SKS fenders - $800 plus shipping - moving sale

['RickH' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi, Mike.  Do you have any pictures?  Also, what is your pbh?  I am between a 
size 52 and 59 in a Clem.  Would love to see photos with your saddle height, 
etc.

Thanks,
Rick

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

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On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 7:09:24 PM UTC-4, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Beautiful bike Roberta. The magenta tape and cork grips look great. I'll 
> also mention the Brooks B67. I've started using one recently. I find it to 
> be comfortable although new. It works well with the raised bars and upright 
> position I have on the bike. Comfort is always good.
> Wishing you many happy rides.
> -Marc
>
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:29:57 AM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>>
>> Well, I finally did it!—I bought a Joe Appaloosa!  Riding it makes me 
>> happy.
>>
>> I tested the Clem L:  very nice and I’d like it for riding around the 
>> neighborhood or commuting.   Then, the Sam Hillborne:  this was the one 
>> I anticipated ordering.   I liked the classic look and albatross 
>> handlebars.   It was nice and I liked the ride, but didn’t love it.   
>>
>> Finally, the Joe Appaloosa:  oh, my!  Smooth riding all around—the 
>> shifting and breaks were better than the Sam.  The tire size in the 
>> looks department wasn’t my thing (nor was the long chainstay), but boy did 
>> they help take the edge off of road imperfections.  I also didn’t like 
>> the look of the choco-moose bar, either, but it felt so right!  (It’s a 
>> good thing I’m not superficial.)
>>
>> I bought last year’s mustard color model with a B17 saddle that Gravel & 
>> Grind in MD had built up on the floor.  I “girly-ed” it a bit with 
>> magenta handlebar tape.  I have silver fenders and a silver rack on 
>> order, and already have an XS gray Sackville saddlebag and a gray Sackville 
>> pannier.  James and Tracy from G were wonderful to work with and I 
>> highly recommend their establishment.
>>
>> For my maiden ride with her (or is it “him,” being a “Joe”???), I did 20 
>> miles in about 2 hours.  My speed and time was the same as I usually do 
>> on my ‘90s hybrid.  My sits bones and lower back will take a while to 
>> get used to the B17, as the leather saddle is certainly different from my 
>> gel one.  I will also lower the seat about 1cm.
>>
>> Thank you all for your input to me and others here about “which one.”My 
>> original post was to get the best bike for long exercise rides.  With 
>> your input, I went with the one that made me smile the most.  
>> Roberta
>>
>> Original post, Clem L (low bar) for longer rides:  
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/VfynLD2KRk4/VbSe17Y3BwAJ;context-place=forum/rbw-owners-bunch
>>
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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Carla Waugh]

Beautiful bike and I really like the contrasting bartape and the buttterscotch 
bike it's just beautiful!

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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[GAJett]

As a devotee of half-step+granny I'm interested in your gearing.  Tooth 
counts front and rear please.  

I'm finding building half-steps getting challenging as many chainwheel 
makers have very limited odd--toothed options.  the T/A Zephyr being an 
exception.
Cheers!

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[RBW] #%*#! Fenders!!!!

[Broccoli Cog]

Ok I broke the cardinal rule and didn't leave well enough alone. I have a newer 
Sam with sidepull Tektro brakes. My tires are 40mm Clement MSO. The fenders are 
SKS P45. My front fender is driving me nuts! I had been riding the bike without 
any rubbing but I noticed the other day that the nose of the fender is curved 
to one side. I attempted to straighten it out and I quickly determined there is 
nothing I can do to straighten it. Now I am putting it all back together 
including the Mark's rack and I can get it so it's not rubbing. It's close but 
the little rubber hairs on the tire are rubbing. Maybe when I get it off the 
stand and go ride it I won't notice but I could help but think a better 
mechanic then I can get them just right. At this point I'm ready to rip them 
both off. Is there anyone out there who can restore my sanity by giving me some 
tips on aligning these properly?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was out on my Hilsen with Barlowe Pass extralights. What an amazing ride. 
There were rumble strips on the shoulder and I purposely ran over them just to 
marvel at how the Compass tires just make them a complete non-issue. 

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[RBW] Re: Rivet saddle fit?

[Deacon Patrick]

I hopped on my Rivet Diablo and knew instantly I loved the saddle, which 
was a first. Sounds like you want a wider saddle. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 5:39:01 PM UTC-6, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> So I picked up a bike locally for friend (no money has changed hands so 
> it's still mine) and it had a rivet saddle on it.  I was upfront with the 
> seller that it was desirable but he said he didn't feel like taking it off. 
>  I got excited so I put it on my Sam but maybe it's not for me.  From what 
> I've measured it's a diablo.  I probably could ride this model or 
> independence since there's some overlap in sizing but can't find the sweet 
> spot on it.
>
> Any advice for setup?  Anything different from b17?
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Austin B]

Appa looks great! 

+1 on the plug for Gravel & Grind. Great little store they have there (and 
Compass Tires in stock!). I've picked up a number of bits and pieces for my 
bikes--James is always super helpful. Go there hungry and get a waffle and 
coffee too.

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Re: [RBW] Rivet saddle fit?

[Bill Lindsay]

The metal frame of the Rivet kind of curls in at the ends.  Look at the 
underside to see what I mean.  Those curls hit my sit bones in exactly the 
wrong way.  I instantly knew that the Rivet wasn't for me when I sat on it. 
 Steel doesn't break in, and I was sitting right on those curls.  It made 
me immensely grateful for the demo program.  I like Deb Banks a ton, and I 
wear wool bike socks with the Rivet logo, but I can't run the saddles.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 4:59:55 PM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I'd say the leather on the rivet, which is white, is supple to the touch 
> and much more hammocky than my black VO b17 clone which is well broken in 
> but rock solid to the touch.  I'm perplexed. 
>
> Fair winds,
>
> Captain Conway Bennett
>
> On Apr 17, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Eric Norris  
> wrote:
>
> Conway:
>
> I switched from a B17 to a Rivet on my Quickbeam a few years ago. I 
> learned the following:
>
> - The Rivet saddle is taller than a B17. I had to move the seatpost down a 
> bit to get back to the same overall height. Measure your existing setup 
> carefully and then make sure the new saddle is at the correct height.
>
> - It took a while for the Rivet to feel as good as a B17—longer than it 
> takes for a new B17. The saddle eventually became very comfy, but the 
> break-in period was definitely longer.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
> On Apr 17, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Conway Bennett  > wrote:
>
> So I picked up a bike locally for friend (no money has changed hands so 
> it's still mine) and it had a rivet saddle on it.  I was upfront with the 
> seller that it was desirable but he said he didn't feel like taking it off. 
>  I got excited so I put it on my Sam but maybe it's not for me.  From what 
> I've measured it's a diablo.  I probably could ride this model or 
> independence since there's some overlap in sizing but can't find the sweet 
> spot on it.
>
> Any advice for setup?  Anything different from b17?
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivet saddle fit?

[Captain Conway Bennett]

I'd say the leather on the rivet, which is white, is supple to the touch and 
much more hammocky than my black VO b17 clone which is well broken in but rock 
solid to the touch.  I'm perplexed. 

Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett

> On Apr 17, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> 
> Conway:
> 
> I switched from a B17 to a Rivet on my Quickbeam a few years ago. I learned 
> the following:
> 
> - The Rivet saddle is taller than a B17. I had to move the seatpost down a 
> bit to get back to the same overall height. Measure your existing setup 
> carefully and then make sure the new saddle is at the correct height.
> 
> - It took a while for the Rivet to feel as good as a B17—longer than it takes 
> for a new B17. The saddle eventually became very comfy, but the break-in 
> period was definitely longer.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Conway Bennett  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So I picked up a bike locally for friend (no money has changed hands so it's 
>> still mine) and it had a rivet saddle on it.  I was upfront with the seller 
>> that it was desirable but he said he didn't feel like taking it off.  I got 
>> excited so I put it on my Sam but maybe it's not for me.  From what I've 
>> measured it's a diablo.  I probably could ride this model or independence 
>> since there's some overlap in sizing but can't find the sweet spot on it.
>> 
>> Any advice for setup?  Anything different from b17?
>> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[R. Alexis]

Another option in line with what has already been mentioned, Find a 
suspension fork crown that works for you and allows legs to be bolted to it 
and have a builder make a legs that will fit it. It does not have to be the 
Bontrager/Rock Shox one. It can be a later Rock Shox one with just the bolt 
on fork legs, as long as the steerer is the size that works. RST used to 
offer separate fork crown for their fork shox. Other than that later Rock 
Shox and Manitou forks that bolted to the legs will work. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:35:19 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I'm looking to re-fork my XO-3 for easier 2" tire clearance and mid-fork 
> braze on's for rackage.  I've got a 59cm XO-3 and the head tube is about 
> 24cm so I'd need at least that, more would be fine or preferred on the 
> steerer tube.  26" wheel canti preferred as I want to run my Bruce Gordon 
> fancy canti brakes on this rig.  I'd take any color, pretty much any usable 
> condition.  Figure it's a long shot but maybe someone has one laying 
> around.  PM me if you want to sell, I've got some interesting bits for 
> trade to if that is more up your alley.
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivet saddle fit?

[Eric Norris]

Conway:

I switched from a B17 to a Rivet on my Quickbeam a few years ago. I learned the 
following:

- The Rivet saddle is taller than a B17. I had to move the seatpost down a bit 
to get back to the same overall height. Measure your existing setup carefully 
and then make sure the new saddle is at the correct height.

- It took a while for the Rivet to feel as good as a B17—longer than it takes 
for a new B17. The saddle eventually became very comfy, but the break-in period 
was definitely longer.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Apr 17, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> So I picked up a bike locally for friend (no money has changed hands so it's 
> still mine) and it had a rivet saddle on it.  I was upfront with the seller 
> that it was desirable but he said he didn't feel like taking it off.  I got 
> excited so I put it on my Sam but maybe it's not for me.  From what I've 
> measured it's a diablo.  I probably could ride this model or independence 
> since there's some overlap in sizing but can't find the sweet spot on it.
> 
> Any advice for setup?  Anything different from b17?
> 
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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Kellie]

I haven't  ridden the divide, but you can put up to 2.3 tires on an 
Atlantis and go tubeless. I have Cliffhanger rims and Thunder Burt tires, 
all tubeless compatible. I do know an early version of a Hunqapillar had no 
problems on the Divide. 
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:10:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling 
> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana. 
>
> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then 
> riding the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields 
> Parkway? Do yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields 
> parkway'. It's Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers, 
> mountains, wildlife and campgrounds everywhere.
>
> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride 
> to Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a 
> more traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I 
> know most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the 
> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about 
> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail? 
>
>
> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>
>
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[RBW] Rivet saddle fit?

[Conway Bennett]

So I picked up a bike locally for friend (no money has changed hands so it's 
still mine) and it had a rivet saddle on it.  I was upfront with the seller 
that it was desirable but he said he didn't feel like taking it off.  I got 
excited so I put it on my Sam but maybe it's not for me.  From what I've 
measured it's a diablo.  I probably could ride this model or independence since 
there's some overlap in sizing but can't find the sweet spot on it.

Any advice for setup?  Anything different from b17?

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful bike Roberta. The magenta tape and cork grips look great. I'll 
also mention the Brooks B67. I've started using one recently. I find it to 
be comfortable although new. It works well the raised bars and upright 
position I have on the bike. Comfort is always good.
Wishing you many happy rides.
-Marc


On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:29:57 AM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>
> Well, I finally did it!—I bought a Joe Appaloosa!  Riding it makes me 
> happy.
>
> I tested the Clem L:  very nice and I’d like it for riding around the 
> neighborhood or commuting.   Then, the Sam Hillborne:  this was the one I 
> anticipated ordering.   I liked the classic look and albatross handlebars.  
>  It was nice and I liked the ride, but didn’t love it.   
>
> Finally, the Joe Appaloosa:  oh, my!  Smooth riding all around—the 
> shifting and breaks were better than the Sam.  The tire size in the looks 
> department wasn’t my thing (nor was the long chainstay), but boy did they 
> help take the edge off of road imperfections.  I also didn’t like the 
> look of the choco-moose bar, either, but it felt so right!  (It’s a good 
> thing I’m not superficial.)
>
> I bought last year’s mustard color model with a B17 saddle that Gravel & 
> Grind in MD had built up on the floor.  I “girly-ed” it a bit with 
> magenta handlebar tape.  I have silver fenders and a silver rack on 
> order, and already have an XS gray Sackville saddlebag and a gray Sackville 
> pannier.  James and Tracy from G were wonderful to work with and I 
> highly recommend their establishment.
>
> For my maiden ride with her (or is it “him,” being a “Joe”???), I did 20 
> miles in about 2 hours.  My speed and time was the same as I usually do 
> on my ‘90s hybrid.  My sits bones and lower back will take a while to get 
> used to the B17, as the leather saddle is certainly different from my gel 
> one.  I will also lower the seat about 1cm.
>
> Thank you all for your input to me and others here about “which one.”My 
> original post was to get the best bike for long exercise rides.  With 
> your input, I went with the one that made me smile the most.  
> Roberta
>
> Original post, Clem L (low bar) for longer rides:  
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/VfynLD2KRk4/VbSe17Y3BwAJ;context-place=forum/rbw-owners-bunch
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[Carla Waugh]

I'm hoping with the stock tires the longboard cream fenders work. I am looking 
for a Compass tire or? That works with fenders hopefully.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[James Warren]

Get that for the HIllborne. I am next time I get new tires (now that I know 
this). Upgrade from Barlow. This new info has caused me to change my 
recommendation.


> On Apr 17, 2017, at 5:58 AM, lconley  > wrote:
> 
> Snoqualmie Pass 44mm standard weight. Almost couldn't feel the brick roads on 
> the Cross-Florida ride.
> 
> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 9:01:55 PM UTC-4, Carla Waugh wrote:
> Which Compass tires or something else do you really like for your Sam? I'll 
> mostly be using mine for pavement and light gravel, dirt and grass. Thanks
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Re: [RBW] FS: Green Clem Smith Jr H 59CM - stock build with SKS fenders - $800 plus shipping - moving sale

[mike smith]

Tampa fl area.

Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[R. Alexis]

Sorry, lost the text and hit send too soon.

The Bob Brown Cycles fork crown can be built both for 1" and 11/8" via shim 
per his description here, http://bobbrowncycles.com/sale.htm , and has good 
clearance. 

I don't know if Handsome Cycles or Rawlands still has any forks. My guess 
is that Handsome may have some, but that Rawlands probably does not since 
they have moved and has not produced the Sogn in a while.

Another possibly viable option is to check with Rivendell to see what forks 
they have available that they are willing to sell you. 

Hope this helps.

Reginald Alexis  



On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 4:28:52 PM UTC-5, R. Alexis wrote:
>
> I recall someone on the RBW or iBOB list posting about getting a 
> replacement fork for a 1993 Bridgestone XO-1 from Handsome Cycles by buying 
> one that was used on the XOXO. One of the issues was there is a reverse 
> peak or point that projected down in the middle of the fork crown toward 
> the tire that caused some clearance issues. Don't know how big a tire they 
> were using.
>
> Another option is that Bob Brown Cycles sells his version of the biplane 
> fork crown http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/temp_sale/crown9.jpg, 
> http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/temp_sale/crown8.jpg, 
>
> I just contacted him about building me a rigid for for my early 90's 
> Waterford 1400 mountain  because I thought the design and style seemed like 
> a better match to the lugs on that bike than the Pacenti fork crown. I did 
> consider trying to get a Rawlands cSogn fork with the Pacenti fork crown 
> and having the canti braze-on moved to accommodate 26" mountain wheel. My 
> concern was the axle to crown distance, but I never looked and compared 
> what the distance was between what the early suspension corrected length 
> should be on a fork for the Waterford frame and what the 27.5"/650B crown 
> length of the Rawlands CSogn would be. I think the length would be pretty 
> comparible. 
>
> Bob told me it would be about a 6 month wait. Also said he could sell his 
> fork crown to me to have a local builder make me a fork if I wanted. The 
> crown can be build for both 11 
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:35:19 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking to re-fork my XO-3 for easier 2" tire clearance and mid-fork 
>> braze on's for rackage.  I've got a 59cm XO-3 and the head tube is about 
>> 24cm so I'd need at least that, more would be fine or preferred on the 
>> steerer tube.  26" wheel canti preferred as I want to run my Bruce Gordon 
>> fancy canti brakes on this rig.  I'd take any color, pretty much any usable 
>> condition.  Figure it's a long shot but maybe someone has one laying 
>> around.  PM me if you want to sell, I've got some interesting bits for 
>> trade to if that is more up your alley.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Les Lammers]

Very nice! It always takes me a while to dial a new bike in. Use some 
http://www.obenaufs.com/Heavy-Duty-LP-8-oz-p/heavy-duty-lp-8.htm on the 
saddle and leave it in the sun a while.
 

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 4:57:37 PM UTC-4, REC wrote:

> Thanks again.  My sits-bones are OK today; I'm used to that "new to the 
>>> saddle after months off"  feeling, so I knew what that was.  My back is 
>>> hurting, but getting better.   I do have weak core muscles that Belopsky 
>>> mentioned might be an issue.  I can work on that.
>>>
>>
> Also, yes, I am sitting a bit more upright on this bike.  I think I'll 
> keep riding and by the time I get back to the dealer in 2-4 weeks, I should 
> know if I need a new saddle,  or if it was just my body needing to adjust.
>
> Roberta
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[RBW] FS: Green Clem Smith Jr H 59CM - stock build with SKS fenders - $800 plus shipping - moving sale

[Jeffrey B]

Hi Mike, where are you located?

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[R. Alexis]

I recall someone on the RBW or iBOB list posting about getting a 
replacement fork for a 1993 Bridgestone XO-1 from Handsome Cycles by buying 
one that was used on the XOXO. One of the issues was there is a reverse 
peak or point that projected down in the middle of the fork crown toward 
the tire that caused some clearance issues. Don't know how big a tire they 
were using.

Another option is that Bob Brown Cycles sells his version of the biplane 
fork crown http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/temp_sale/crown9.jpg, 
http://bobbrowncycles.com/images/temp_sale/crown8.jpg, 

I just contacted him about building me a rigid for for my early 90's 
Waterford 1400 mountain  because I thought the design and style seemed like 
a better match to the lugs on that bike than the Pacenti fork crown. I did 
consider trying to get a Rawlands cSogn fork with the Pacenti fork crown 
and having the canti braze-on moved to accommodate 26" mountain wheel. My 
concern was the axle to crown distance, but I never looked and compared 
what the distance was between what the early suspension corrected length 
should be on a fork for the Waterford frame and what the 27.5"/650B crown 
length of the Rawlands CSogn would be. I think the length would be pretty 
comparible. 

Bob told me it would be about a 6 month wait. Also said he could sell his 
fork crown to me to have a local builder make me a fork if I wanted. The 
crown can be build for both 11 

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:35:19 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I'm looking to re-fork my XO-3 for easier 2" tire clearance and mid-fork 
> braze on's for rackage.  I've got a 59cm XO-3 and the head tube is about 
> 24cm so I'd need at least that, more would be fine or preferred on the 
> steerer tube.  26" wheel canti preferred as I want to run my Bruce Gordon 
> fancy canti brakes on this rig.  I'd take any color, pretty much any usable 
> condition.  Figure it's a long shot but maybe someone has one laying 
> around.  PM me if you want to sell, I've got some interesting bits for 
> trade to if that is more up your alley.
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[REC]

>
> Thanks again.  My sits-bones are OK today; I'm used to that "new to the 
>> saddle after months off"  feeling, so I knew what that was.  My back is 
>> hurting, but getting better.   I do have weak core muscles that Belopsky 
>> mentioned might be an issue.  I can work on that.
>>
>
Also, yes, I am sitting a bit more upright on this bike.  I think I'll keep 
riding and by the time I get back to the dealer in 2-4 weeks, I should know 
if I need a new saddle,  or if it was just my body needing to adjust.

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 58cm Complete

[Brencho]

Thanks everyone, Atlantis is SOLD!



On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 10:36:41 PM UTC-7, Brencho wrote:
>
> Here are some pics of a few iterations in the recent past! See attached...
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 11:30:03 PM UTC-7, Brencho wrote:
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I'm selling my sweet and trusty 58cm Rivendell Atlantis as a complete 
>> bike. It's been used but cared for during these past 4 years. meaning its 
>> in very good shape but has a couple scratches. Nothing to write home about, 
>> but individuals differ along these lines so I'll leave that up to you to 
>> decide. 
>>
>> Asking $2900, local pickup in the Greater LA Area or meet me half way if 
>> you're located somewhere else in southern California. Otherwise happy to 
>> have a local bike shop pack it up but shipping isn't included in the price. 
>> Pis coming soon. 
>>
>> Includes the following things (non-exhaustive list, will work on making 
>> it more exhaustive as/if questions arise): 
>> Nitto tallux 9cm stem
>> Nitto Albastache bars
>> Riv Bar-end silver shifters
>> Dia-compe perforated non-aero brake levers
>> Shimano XT front and rear derailers
>> Sugino XD2 triple crank (46x36x24)
>> Shimano CX70 canti brakes
>> Rich built wheels (Velocity 36h 700c rims with Shimano LX hubs)
>> Soma Cazadero tires (brand new)
>> extra pair of Schwalbe Dureme tires (everlasting)
>> Nitto S83 double-bolt seat post
>> Nitto Big Front rack
>> Wald Large basket
>> SKS fenders 
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: carradice longflap, Tubus rack, Paul, jandd

[drew]

ok. everything is gone but the Carradice Nelson

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[RBW] FS: Green Clem Smith Jr H 59CM - stock build with SKS fenders - $800 plus shipping - moving sale

[mike smith]

Stock build.   I bought it 6 months ago but spend my time riding my LHT.  

The bike might have 100 miles on it.  I changed the shifters and will 
include the stock shifters.  

The bike is in perfect working order.

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[RBW] Re: FS: carradice longflap, Tubus rack, Paul, jandd

[Michael in SF]

PM sent

On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 3:35:03 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> A few things need to make way for some other things. 
>
> -carradice camper longflap. New, but has been sitting for a year or so. 
> The leather on this one is much thicker than on a smaller carradice I use 
> more frequently. Disclosure: it doesn't say camper anywhere on this, and I 
> have little recollection of buying it, but measurements match up with what 
> carradice has listed for the camper. 110$ shipped
>
> -tubus airy titanium rear rack. Will work with all wheel sizes. Just 
> bought this from Bruce and really like it, but it doesn't fit my old swift 
> panniers very well. Pretty, strong and super light. Near new condition. 
> Includes all original mounting hardware. 150$ shipped.
>
> -Paul gino mount. 15$ shipped
>
> -jandd triangle portage bag. Also new but has been sitting around. 25$ 
> shipped.
>
> -nos suntour rear hub. 36h. 126mm. Takes a proprietary suntour cassette. 
> Free for shipping or with any purchase.
>
> -odi bar plugs in silver. Free for shipping or with any purchase
>
> -pearl Izumi gloves. Free for shipping or with any purchase
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Mark Reimer]

Here is a collection that shows the varied nature of terrain. Bad pavement,
gravel, double track, single track, rocks, grass, you name it!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/markreimer/albums/72157672539573505

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Coconutbill  wrote:

> Given my finances, I think that my best workaround might be to borrow this
>> "Sherpa Comp" mountain bike my friend said he'd lend me.
>>
> I'm not familiar, but if it could fit a 2.3' It should certainly be more
> enjoyable than on my 650b x 42+ tires, I'd think.
> I'd love to see your photos (if you have some) from the tour. Any other
> good resources for which I can see the topography and terrain?
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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Coconutbill]

>
> Given my finances, I think that my best workaround might be to borrow this 
> "Sherpa Comp" mountain bike my friend said he'd lend me. 
>
I'm not familiar, but if it could fit a 2.3' It should certainly be more 
enjoyable than on my 650b x 42+ tires, I'd think.
I'd love to see your photos (if you have some) from the tour. Any other 
good resources for which I can see the topography and terrain? 

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Valerie Yates]

Roberta -- Your bike is gorgeous.  Great choice.  Love the bar tape.  

Following up on Bob's comments, I have and love my Joe and I have and love 
the B17 saddle on my drop bar bikes, but they did not work well together 
for me because the saddle is too narrow (for me) for the upright riding 
position I have on the Joe.  Like Bob suggests, I have a wider Brooks with 
springs (B67) on my Joe and I love it.  For me, the correct Brooks saddle 
is comfortable right away without a breaking in period. It just gets even 
better over time. 

Val in Boulder, CO





On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 12:59:37 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Hi Roberta,
>
> Which brings me to the last random comment and that is a bike set-up for 
> upright seating usually is helped by a slightly wider/supportive seat and 
> possibly even a very cool Brooks saddle with springs!   I know there are 
> probably anti-springs people, so I say that cautiously :>) , but I will say 
> a comfortable saddle, comfortable to and for and with *you*, is one of the 
> most important aspects of a bike.  If it keeps hurting you, I would talk 
> with the bike shop folks about a possible trade, though it could be fine 
> with some adjustment in tilt, saddle height, etc.
>
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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Roberta,

I will throw in a few random comments... 

First, a new Brooks leather saddle can be a far different beast than a 
beautiful, comfortable, broken in Brooks leather saddle.  That takes time 
and miles, also the patience and sometimes the tolerance (pain and 
otherwise) of a saint.  I would also ask if your sitting position on the 
Appaloosa is different (more upright?) than on your other bike?  That could 
certainly make a difference.  

Which brings me to the last random comment and that is a bike set-up for 
upright seating usually is helped by a slightly wider/supportive seat and 
possibly even a very cool Brooks saddle with springs!   I know there are 
probably anti-springs people, so I say that cautiously :>) , but I will say 
a comfortable saddle, comfortable to and for and with *you*, is one of the 
most important aspects of a bike.  If it keeps hurting you, I would talk 
with the bike shop folks about a possible trade, though it could be fine 
with some adjustment in tilt, saddle height, etc.

Hope it helps...  I think I may just go for a ride myself!

Enjoy the new bike!!

Bob


On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-5, REC wrote:
>
> Yes, Patrick, it should be an "it," being an inanimate object. Can I love 
>> an inanimate object?   I always admire people with exceptional language 
>> skills; mine are OK, but math was always stronger for me.
>
>
> Chris, yes, this was the one on their floor and it was already built up 
> with the saddle and grips.  I live in downtown Philadelphia, about halfway 
> between the NY and MD dealers, and I did not want to drive to NY if I had 
> an option to drive to MD.  Plus, G had 12-15 built up Rivs to test, so I 
> got to test all three in my size.  
>
> The magenta tape that Tracy suggested is officially called violet, in case 
> anyone wants that color.  I'm really liking the contrast between that and 
> the mustard color (I think I'll start calling it butterscotch--sounds 
> nicer) of the bike.  I also think that the silver and grey accessories will 
> lighten the look even more.
>
> I'll be taking it back to be adjusted and the accessorized in 2-4 weeks.  
> I'll post more pictures then.
>
> About the sits-bones and lower back--I'm used to sore sits bones in the 
> new season, but I never had a sore lower back.  My sits-bones are fine 
> today, but my lower back still hurts a little.  Is this normal?  This is my 
> first leather saddle, B17; my others were gel and I liked them just fine.  
>
> Thank you all!
>
> Roberta
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Mark Reimer]

Possible? Yes. Enjoyable? Debatable...

I recently did the first 1000km of the Divide. I decided to leave my
Atlantis at home and ride a Crust DFL with 26" by 3" tubeless tires. It was
the perfect decision. There was an Atlantis in my group, and he had many,
many flats. Some of the descents are more akin to creek beds due to
erosion. I could let go of the brakes and fly down. He double flatted. Some
of the descents are steep and very long. I was extremely thankful for my
large disc brakes. I never had trouble stopping my loaded bike even in the
rain. My Atlantis would have been a bad call in my opinion.

Now, there are many long sections of the divide where a Homer would be
absolutely in its element. I guess you need to decide if you want a bike
that sings on the gravel roads but you're walking some of the most 'fun'
sections. Or a bike that doesn't bat an eye at the rough stuff, but might
be a touch slower on the road. I never felt I was at a disadvantage on the
road sections. I increased my tire pressure and kept up just fine. But the
guys on 2" tires and under were at a definite disadvantage.

So yeah, you can do it, and many people have, but your bike and body will
take a much bigger beating.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Coconutbill  wrote:

> I've underbiked on Homer many times, and I wonder, would it be possible to
>> do this ride on A. Homer Hilsen?
>>
> I sold my MB-1 and MB-4, so it is my only bike at this point in time,
> although, if I wanted to , Im sure I could borrow an old school mountain
> bike from a friend.
> The other idea that had occured to me was to have a friend braze
> canti-posts onto my Homer, as the main drawback I see with my build, is
> that sidepulls are just not adequate. Any thoughts on this matter?
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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Ryan Fleming]

Yes usually with me it is sore sit bones. This year some lower back 
 soreness , which  luckily is easing with each ride, so I'm grateful for 
thatthink it may have had something to do with crushed L1 vertebra late 
last Sept. Until a couple of weeks ago, I was walking (which I do in 
winter) and not riding. I don't remember  lower back pain so much in prior 
springs unless it's a longer day in the saddle than usual , then my back 
might complain a bit

 In your case , Roberta it could be a fit issue , not necessarily a fitness 
issue :)

 Anyway, nice bike and I like the magenta or fuschia or whatever ya call it 
bar tape



On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 12:49:57 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Is it normal? Probably not. Sounds like a combination of improper fit and 
> weak core muscles.
> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Patrick, it should be an "it," being an inanimate object. Can I love 
>>> an inanimate object?   I always admire people with exceptional language 
>>> skills; mine are OK, but math was always stronger for me.
>>
>>
>> Chris, yes, this was the one on their floor and it was already built up 
>> with the saddle and grips.  I live in downtown Philadelphia, about halfway 
>> between the NY and MD dealers, and I did not want to drive to NY if I had 
>> an option to drive to MD.  Plus, G had 12-15 built up Rivs to test, so I 
>> got to test all three in my size.  
>>
>> The magenta tape that Tracy suggested is officially called violet, in 
>> case anyone wants that color.  I'm really liking the contrast between that 
>> and the mustard color (I think I'll start calling it butterscotch--sounds 
>> nicer) of the bike.  I also think that the silver and grey accessories will 
>> lighten the look even more.
>>
>> I'll be taking it back to be adjusted and the accessorized in 2-4 weeks.  
>> I'll post more pictures then.
>>
>> About the sits-bones and lower back--I'm used to sore sits bones in the 
>> new season, but I never had a sore lower back.  My sits-bones are fine 
>> today, but my lower back still hurts a little.  Is this normal?  This is my 
>> first leather saddle, B17; my others were gel and I liked them just fine.  
>>
>> Thank you all!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>

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[RBW] WTT: my Sackville ShopSack large - olive for your Sackville Shopsack medium - any color

[Jim S.]

mine is pretty close to new. hoping to trade for one of the same quality, 
thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Coconutbill]

>
> I've underbiked on Homer many times, and I wonder, would it be possible to 
> do this ride on A. Homer Hilsen?
>
I sold my MB-1 and MB-4, so it is my only bike at this point in time, 
although, if I wanted to , Im sure I could borrow an old school mountain 
bike from a friend.
The other idea that had occured to me was to have a friend braze 
canti-posts onto my Homer, as the main drawback I see with my build, is 
that sidepulls are just not adequate. Any thoughts on this matter?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Shawn Granton]

Hey Eric-

I had the small version of their saddlebag for a few years. It was fine.
You are correct in thinking the quality isn't going to be as nice as the
other options. I found that the leather wasn't as good, and since the
canvas isn't as thick or stiff as others, the bag can sag. If you already
own a Minnehaha and know what to expect, the bag should serve you well.

Before you decide, you should first do a check of that internet auction
site to see if there are any Carradice bags for around that price.
Sometimes you can luck out!

yours,
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> Anyone have any experience with the Minnehaha Medium
> 
> bag?
>
> I have their canvas panniers, and I'm pretty happy with them. Going on a
> weeklong tour this summer with front panniers, handlebar bag, and a rear
> saddlebag.
>
> This one seems capacious enough for my needs, and definitely within
> price-range at about $60-$70. Quality unlikely to be on par with some of
> the suggestions, but IDK. What do you think?
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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Belopsky]

Is it normal? Probably not. Sounds like a combination of improper fit and 
weak core muscles.
On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 1:18:55 PM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>
> Yes, Patrick, it should be an "it," being an inanimate object. Can I love 
>> an inanimate object?   I always admire people with exceptional language 
>> skills; mine are OK, but math was always stronger for me.
>
>
> Chris, yes, this was the one on their floor and it was already built up 
> with the saddle and grips.  I live in downtown Philadelphia, about halfway 
> between the NY and MD dealers, and I did not want to drive to NY if I had 
> an option to drive to MD.  Plus, G had 12-15 built up Rivs to test, so I 
> got to test all three in my size.  
>
> The magenta tape that Tracy suggested is officially called violet, in case 
> anyone wants that color.  I'm really liking the contrast between that and 
> the mustard color (I think I'll start calling it butterscotch--sounds 
> nicer) of the bike.  I also think that the silver and grey accessories will 
> lighten the look even more.
>
> I'll be taking it back to be adjusted and the accessorized in 2-4 weeks.  
> I'll post more pictures then.
>
> About the sits-bones and lower back--I'm used to sore sits bones in the 
> new season, but I never had a sore lower back.  My sits-bones are fine 
> today, but my lower back still hurts a little.  Is this normal?  This is my 
> first leather saddle, B17; my others were gel and I liked them just fine.  
>
> Thank you all!
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[REC]

>
> Yes, Patrick, it should be an "it," being an inanimate object. Can I love 
> an inanimate object?   I always admire people with exceptional language 
> skills; mine are OK, but math was always stronger for me.


Chris, yes, this was the one on their floor and it was already built up 
with the saddle and grips.  I live in downtown Philadelphia, about halfway 
between the NY and MD dealers, and I did not want to drive to NY if I had 
an option to drive to MD.  Plus, G had 12-15 built up Rivs to test, so I 
got to test all three in my size.  

The magenta tape that Tracy suggested is officially called violet, in case 
anyone wants that color.  I'm really liking the contrast between that and 
the mustard color (I think I'll start calling it butterscotch--sounds 
nicer) of the bike.  I also think that the silver and grey accessories will 
lighten the look even more.

I'll be taking it back to be adjusted and the accessorized in 2-4 weeks.  
I'll post more pictures then.

About the sits-bones and lower back--I'm used to sore sits bones in the new 
season, but I never had a sore lower back.  My sits-bones are fine today, 
but my lower back still hurts a little.  Is this normal?  This is my first 
leather saddle, B17; my others were gel and I liked them just fine.  

Thank you all!

Roberta

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Philip Kim]

thanks bob! that is the info i needed! 

yes u usually have a rack that is mounted through the fork crown hole that 
allows me to just use the supplied washer and nut to secure the L-bracket. 
This is the first time that to not be the case.

I'll try to share pictures as well!


On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 1:01:25 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I am probably misunderstanding, and definitely let me know if this all 
> sounds wrong, but the fork crown "mount" or hole (front to back of the fork 
> crown) on an Appaloosa is not threaded as far as I can tell and is 
> relatively quite large- an M6 fits.  The depth of the fork crown mount, not 
> taking into account any recesses at the mount point, is 33mm, so maybe 
> 40-42mm?  I would think it would be just a nut and bolt situation, with 
> correct washers (as needed) to protect things. 
>
> Apologies if I am way off on this one...  My eyes and hands know a lot 
> more than my head in these situations.
>
> Bob
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:14:34 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> anyone with a joe and fenders know what bolt to use to attach fender 
>> L-bracket to the fork crown mount? is it just an M5 bolt? what length do i 
>> need?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Ron Mc]

Eric, the Phil standard "fixie" hubs are 8mm bolts with shouldered washers. 
 Mine have 3 washers without shoulders, and a custom shouldered washer to 
fit under the derailleur hanger.  
I used a '76 Raleigh derailleur hanger, cut the formed axle slot nubs in 
half with a dremel, and filed the derailleur hanger shouldered washer down 
to 8mm.  Here's the Phil spec on my custom hubset.  



If you want to see the minutia and paints of the whole project, I posted it 
in detail on The CABE

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On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 12:03:55 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> How are your hubs fastened that you need a torque wrench to put them on?
>
> --Eric Norris
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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Eric Norris]

How are your hubs fastened that you need a torque wrench to put them on?

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> psss (if there's a such thing) - my riding window got rained out today - 
> looks like my long smoke test ride will be Wed (probably best since I don't 
> have the socket to properly measure torque the hubs - it's arriving in my 
> McMaster order today.  
> Planning to debut the bike at San Antonio Frankenbike next Saturday - It will 
> be at Alamo Beer Company and will ride in there from my buddy's house in 
> Castle Hills
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am probably misunderstanding, and definitely let me know if this all 
sounds wrong, but the fork crown "mount" or hole (front to back of the fork 
crown) on an Appaloosa is not threaded as far as I can tell and is 
relatively quite large- an M6 fits.  The depth of the fork crown mount, not 
taking into account any recesses at the mount point, is 33mm, so maybe 
40-42mm?  I would think it would be just a nut and bolt situation, with 
correct washers (as needed) to protect things. 

Apologies if I am way off on this one...  My eyes and hands know a lot more 
than my head in these situations.

Bob

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> anyone with a joe and fenders know what bolt to use to attach fender 
> L-bracket to the fork crown mount? is it just an M5 bolt? what length do i 
> need?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[LeahFoy]

It's lovely! I really, truly love the magenta tale, it makes your Appaloosa one 
of a kind. Now, let's see more photos with your new Sackvilles. I always think 
the best part of the bike is the bags.

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[William R.]

Very nice Roberta! Enjoy it. The magenta tape with the mustard frame color 
and cork grips all look really nice together.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Bob Lovejoy]

Great looking bike!  And I like the way you chose... the most and biggest 
smiles!  I also really the dash of color with the magenta bar tape.  I do 
remain envious of those with access to a Rivendell stocking dealer, 
somewhere you can test ride various models.  I am glad you had one there. 
 The bike was waiting for you!

Bob Lovejoy
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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Ron Mc]

psss (if there's a such thing) - my riding window got rained out today - 
looks like my long smoke test ride will be Wed (probably best since I don't 
have the socket to properly measure torque the hubs - it's arriving in my 
McMaster order today.  
Planning to debut the bike at San Antonio Frankenbike next Saturday - It 
will be at Alamo Beer Company and will ride in there from my buddy's house 
in Castle Hills

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Ryan Fleming]

Good looking bike and I hope you're happy with it

Ah yes...signs of spring...sore lower back and sit bones. Give it time; it 
will get better but otherwise sounds like you made the right choice. If 
you're smiling, you did!

Enjoy!

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 10:29:57 AM UTC-5, REC wrote:
>
> Well, I finally did it!—I bought a Joe Appaloosa!  Riding it makes me 
> happy.
>
> I tested the Clem L:  very nice and I’d like it for riding around the 
> neighborhood or commuting.   Then, the Sam Hillborne:  this was the one I 
> anticipated ordering.   I liked the classic look and albatross handlebars.  
>  It was nice and I liked the ride, but didn’t love it.   
>
> Finally, the Joe Appaloosa:  oh, my!  Smooth riding all around—the 
> shifting and breaks were better than the Sam.  The tire size in the looks 
> department wasn’t my thing (nor was the long chainstay), but boy did they 
> help take the edge off of road imperfections.  I also didn’t like the 
> look of the choco-moose bar, either, but it felt so right!  (It’s a good 
> thing I’m not superficial.)
>
> I bought last year’s mustard color model with a B17 saddle that Gravel & 
> Grind in MD had built up on the floor.  I “girly-ed” it a bit with 
> magenta handlebar tape.  I have silver fenders and a silver rack on 
> order, and already have an XS gray Sackville saddlebag and a gray Sackville 
> pannier.  James and Tracy from G were wonderful to work with and I 
> highly recommend their establishment.
>
> For my maiden ride with her (or is it “him,” being a “Joe”???), I did 20 
> miles in about 2 hours.  My speed and time was the same as I usually do 
> on my ‘90s hybrid.  My sits bones and lower back will take a while to get 
> used to the B17, as the leather saddle is certainly different from my gel 
> one.  I will also lower the seat about 1cm.
>
> Thank you all for your input to me and others here about “which one.”My 
> original post was to get the best bike for long exercise rides.  With 
> your input, I went with the one that made me smile the most.  
> Roberta
>
> Original post, Clem L (low bar) for longer rides:  
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/VfynLD2KRk4/VbSe17Y3BwAJ;context-place=forum/rbw-owners-bunch
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[RBW] Re: FS: 2007 NEW 56CM GREEN RAMBOUILLET FRAME/FORK (LATE MODEL #RB1100)

['Gunner' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leslie 

Thank you for your 650B conversion input. I know of another successful 
Rambouillet conversions and yet the frame is still quite wonderful running 
a 700C wheel set. It really is a beautiful frame and is still available. No 
disappointments. Sorry, the pictures are not so great. 

Thanks again

Gunner

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 10:00:49 PM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:
>
> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 9:12:18 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>> Tinking, "Can I convert this to 650B and ride it or will it still be too 
>> big?"   Gosh what a wonderful opportunity!
>
>
> Since I did a 650b conversion, I should be one of the ones to say, the 
> official RBW answer on Rambouillet conversions to 650b is, "the BB would be 
> too low" but that was said when the normal tire width was a 32.
>
> I think it works fine if you use a 650b-42 like Hetre or equivalent. But, 
> using a 42 means that your tire height is close to a 700c-25.  So, if a 
> 56cm on 700c wheels would be too big, then I would think that the 56 would 
> still be too big.  I mean, yeah, you could use a 32 tire instead, but, 
> you'll start to run into more of a risk of having pedal strikes.  The 
> reason to do a conversion is to run fatter tires, right?  If you're going 
> to run less than a 32, I'd leave it as a 700c...  
>
> Although I love my Bomba, and I usually am putting more miles on my 
> canti-Rom anymore since I've got it set up for my more usual mixed-terrain 
> riding, if I was going for a longer road ride I'd be on my Ram in a 
> heartbeat, it was my first Riv and still my favorite.   
>  
>
> It is a beautiful frame:  I hope someone snatched it up.   
>

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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Ron Mc]

pss - this was the single-hardest piece of work - 


- filing a dropout stop from 10mm down to 8mm


On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:17:16 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> ps - you could use that hub on any model Raleigh Lenton, Rudge Pathfinder, 
> or Tourist.  
>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:01:40 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> That is very nice! I'd love to build something like that up around my 
>>> (too much announced) AM hub, which has a 114 or 115 OL axle.
>>>
>>> Why custom bb spindle? What length?
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Philip Kim]

nice! got my appaloosa frameset through them. great people

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:29:57 AM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>
> Well, I finally did it!—I bought a Joe Appaloosa!  Riding it makes me 
> happy.
>
> I tested the Clem L:  very nice and I’d like it for riding around the 
> neighborhood or commuting.   Then, the Sam Hillborne:  this was the one I 
> anticipated ordering.   I liked the classic look and albatross handlebars.  
>  It was nice and I liked the ride, but didn’t love it.   
>
> Finally, the Joe Appaloosa:  oh, my!  Smooth riding all around—the 
> shifting and breaks were better than the Sam.  The tire size in the looks 
> department wasn’t my thing (nor was the long chainstay), but boy did they 
> help take the edge off of road imperfections.  I also didn’t like the 
> look of the choco-moose bar, either, but it felt so right!  (It’s a good 
> thing I’m not superficial.)
>
> I bought last year’s mustard color model with a B17 saddle that Gravel & 
> Grind in MD had built up on the floor.  I “girly-ed” it a bit with 
> magenta handlebar tape.  I have silver fenders and a silver rack on 
> order, and already have an XS gray Sackville saddlebag and a gray Sackville 
> pannier.  James and Tracy from G were wonderful to work with and I 
> highly recommend their establishment.
>
> For my maiden ride with her (or is it “him,” being a “Joe”???), I did 20 
> miles in about 2 hours.  My speed and time was the same as I usually do 
> on my ‘90s hybrid.  My sits bones and lower back will take a while to get 
> used to the B17, as the leather saddle is certainly different from my gel 
> one.  I will also lower the seat about 1cm.
>
> Thank you all for your input to me and others here about “which one.”My 
> original post was to get the best bike for long exercise rides.  With 
> your input, I went with the one that made me smile the most.  
> Roberta
>
> Original post, Clem L (low bar) for longer rides:  
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/VfynLD2KRk4/VbSe17Y3BwAJ;context-place=forum/rbw-owners-bunch
>

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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Ron Mc]

ps - you could use that hub on any model Raleigh Lenton, Rudge Pathfinder, 
or Tourist.  

>
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:01:40 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> That is very nice! I'd love to build something like that up around my 
>> (too much announced) AM hub, which has a 114 or 115 OL axle.
>>
>> Why custom bb spindle? What length?
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Ron Mc]

Hi Patrick, nothing custom about the BB spindle.  It's a Phil BB, Raleigh 
"Super Course" cups.  


The spindle is 125mm with 5mm offset - could have used 123mm with 10mm 
offset, but OOS until Phil can make another run.  
The fun thing about building this was also the frustration - it took 7 
weeks from inception to get my hubs in hand.  So I did all the math up 
front and had the bike completely built.  


When I received my finished wheels Saturday morning, everything was already 
dialed in.  I adjusted inner travel on FD - RD didn't need anything - minor 
brake adjustments, and most importantly, the chain guard provided perfect 
clearance at max needed FD travel.  


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>
> That is very nice! I'd love to build something like that up around my (too 
> much announced) AM hub, which has a 114 or 115 OL axle.
>
> Why custom bb spindle? What length?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Philip Kim]

anyone with a joe and fenders know what bolt to use to attach fender 
L-bracket to the fork crown mount? is it just an M5 bolt? what length do i 
need?

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 2:48:50 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Even though I am still figuring out some crankset/BB issues on a preferred 
> set-up, I could not stand it and built the bike up and went riding!  This 
> is very much the beta release, though the basics are certainly there.  It 
> will, I think, end up with Berthoud fenders, racks (Tubus Cosmo rear, Nitto 
> 27f up front), a B LED mounted to the front rack (all from the last of 
> the nice parts stash) and maybe even, at some point, a fancy Rivendell 
> saddle bag?! 
>
> Current build:
> Mavic A719 rims, SON front hub, Phil rear, older but very nice 8-speed 
> (12-32) cassette, Schwalbe Mondial tires (700x45 (marked 700x47))
> Nitto Bullmoose bars, Tektro City brake levers, Silver shifters mounted on 
> Paul Thumbies, Ergon GP1 cork grips
> Old school XT derailleurs
> Brooks Cambium C17 saddle - slate
> Currently XT M770 triple mountain crankset - eventually will be Sugino AT 
> triple
>
> I love it!!  These words do not come easily but I do believe this is my 
> last real bike and build.  It seems my knee is checking out before the rest 
> of me so the ongoing succession of bikes I have had will slow or end here. 
>  But here, with the Appaloosa as the last, that seems much better than it 
> could be.
>
> Impressions so far...
>
> At times it seems like a big bike, especially when getting it out the 
> door(!), as it is longer and wider than some other bikes.  But standover is 
> perfect though I am accustomed to big bikes.  This is a 58cm and I have a 
> pbh of ~89cm for reference.  I would never be able to ride 62cm though, at 
> least not with the larger tires these bikes call out for.  That said, at 
> times it seems small as well, as it is light on its feet and very 
> maneuverable even at slow speeds and great for exploring.  The Bullmoose 
> bars help with that I think but I have to say I was surprised to find the 
> bars so,  well, relaxed!  I would have thought they would feel a little 
> more aggressive down as low as they go but they are about level with the 
> saddle and feel a little higher than that.  The Appaloosa is just designed 
> to get the bars up high without craziness.  A Nitto stem with other bars 
> could probably lower things if needed, not that I need.  My other preferred 
> bars these days are MAP/Ahearne's but I am not so sure they would be much 
> different than the Bullmoose though experiments are always possible.  I am 
> only guessing but I also believe I could ride this bike with drop bars if I 
> decided (probably with a dirt drop stem), again not that I think I will. 
>  Good to have options and ways to experiment though.
>
> One thing that really worked out well, at least for the moment, is the 
> 8-speed shifting with the Paul Thumbie mounted Silver shifters.  They just 
> work perfectly, intuitively, and beg the question on how shifting could be 
> any easier.  I have always been a friction shifting guy but these take it 
> all to a new level perfect for what I wanted.  For reference I am using 
> the special base adapters for using the Silver shifters with the Thumbies.
>
> Anyway, like I said, this is only the first, get it on the road, build. 
>  Apologies for the far less than great pictures as well... more to come and 
> better I hope.  I am lucky enough to have a very special Cheviot as well, 
> so one day I will get pictures of that bike up to Flickr. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/albums/72157682579281726
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Congratulations on the new bike!  I like what you have done with it so 
far.  Is this a 51 that they had built up?  I called them about a week ago 
to see what there inventory was in the Joe's and they mentioned a 
butterscotch 2016.  In any event, enjoy the heck out of it.

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 11:29:57 AM UTC-4, REC wrote:
>
> Well, I finally did it!—I bought a Joe Appaloosa!  Riding it makes me 
> happy.
>
> I tested the Clem L:  very nice and I’d like it for riding around the 
> neighborhood or commuting.   Then, the Sam Hillborne:  this was the one I 
> anticipated ordering.   I liked the classic look and albatross handlebars.  
>  It was nice and I liked the ride, but didn’t love it.   
>
> Finally, the Joe Appaloosa:  oh, my!  Smooth riding all around—the 
> shifting and breaks were better than the Sam.  The tire size in the looks 
> department wasn’t my thing (nor was the long chainstay), but boy did they 
> help take the edge off of road imperfections.  I also didn’t like the 
> look of the choco-moose bar, either, but it felt so right!  (It’s a good 
> thing I’m not superficial.)
>
> I bought last year’s mustard color model with a B17 saddle that Gravel & 
> Grind in MD had built up on the floor.  I “girly-ed” it a bit with 
> magenta handlebar tape.  I have silver fenders and a silver rack on 
> order, and already have an XS gray Sackville saddlebag and a gray Sackville 
> pannier.  James and Tracy from G were wonderful to work with and I 
> highly recommend their establishment.
>
> For my maiden ride with her (or is it “him,” being a “Joe”???), I did 20 
> miles in about 2 hours.  My speed and time was the same as I usually do 
> on my ‘90s hybrid.  My sits bones and lower back will take a while to get 
> used to the B17, as the leather saddle is certainly different from my gel 
> one.  I will also lower the seat about 1cm.
>
> Thank you all for your input to me and others here about “which one.”My 
> original post was to get the best bike for long exercise rides.  With 
> your input, I went with the one that made me smile the most.  
> Roberta
>
> Original post, Clem L (low bar) for longer rides:  
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/VfynLD2KRk4/VbSe17Y3BwAJ;context-place=forum/rbw-owners-bunch
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Re: [RBW] New bike--Joe Appaloosa

[Patrick Moore]

Congratulations! More photos a must!

Patrick "all *my* bikes are 'its'" Moore, who studied inflected languages
not in ABQ, NM.

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 6:37 PM, REC  wrote:

> Well, I finally did it!—I bought a Joe Appaloosa!  Riding it makes me
> happy.
>
> I tested the Clem L:  very nice and I’d like it for riding around the
> neighborhood or commuting.   Then, the Sam Hillborne:  this was the one I
> anticipated ordering.   I liked the classic look and albatross handlebars.
>  It was nice and I liked the ride, but didn’t love it.
>
> Finally, the Joe Appaloosa:  oh, my!  Smooth riding all around—the
> shifting and breaks were better than the Sam.  The tire size in the looks
> department wasn’t my thing (nor was the long chainstay), but boy did they
> help take the edge off of road imperfections.  I also didn’t like the
> look of the choco-moose bar, either, but it felt so right!  (It’s a good
> thing I’m not superficial.)
>
> I bought last year’s mustard color model with a B17 saddle that Gravel &
> Grind in MD had built up on the floor.  I “girly-ed” it a bit with
> magenta handlebar tape.  I have silver fenders and a silver rack on
> order, and already have an XS gray Sackville saddlebag and a gray Sackville
> pannier.  James and Tracy from G were wonderful to work with and I
> highly recommend their establishment.
>
> For my maiden ride with her (or is it “him,” being a “Joe”???), I did 20
> miles in about 2 hours.  My speed and time was the same as I usually do
> on my ‘90s hybrid.  My sits bones and lower back will take a while to get
> used to the B17, as the leather saddle is certainly different from my gel
> one.  I will also lower the seat about 1cm.
>
> Thank you all for your input to me and others here about “which one.”My
> original post was to get the best bike for long exercise rides.  With
> your input, I went with the one that made me smile the most.
> Roberta
>
> Original post, Clem L (low bar) for longer rides:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/
> VfynLD2KRk4/VbSe17Y3BwAJ;context-place=forum/rbw-owners-bunch
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Re: [RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Patrick Moore]

That is very nice! I'd love to build something like that up around my (too
much announced) AM hub, which has a 114 or 115 OL axle.

Why custom bb spindle? What length?

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> on their way from France.
> Will be taking the first distance ride on my old-bike project today (it
> already has a bigger Brooks bag with room for the tools).
>
> Bought a '57 Lenton Grand Prix bare frame and original fork on CR.  What
> makes this frame tricky to build, aside from the Raleigh threads, is the
> Sturmey-Archer spec. droputs:
> 115mm OLD, 8mm axle slots.
> Also learned the single shifter boss was all English - though it looked
> like a Simplex/Huret boss, it will only fit Cyclo.
>
> I have a set of Zeus dropouts, but I'm proud to have built this bike
> without altering the frame.
> What's really cool about the 1957 frame, is that it was gun-metal blued
> beneath the paint, making it rust-proof, but also, the bluing and silver
> paint diffused together, giving the paint a platinum-gray patina.
>
> I knew I could build a better bike than take to hunt down and buy back the
> original parts.  Used many parts that I already had here, sourced a few,
> and engineered the hubset with the help of Michael R. at Phil Wood.
> The only correct parts on this bike are the saddle, stem, and right-side
> shifter.
>
> Yellow Jersey had the NOS 26tpi Whitworth headset.
> Phil BB, custom Phil hubs, 8mm axles, 115mm OLD.  Had to use Synergy O/C
> rim to get the hubs approved by Phil Engr.
> Cyclotouriste triple, half-steps plus granny, wide 5sp IRC freewheel.
> Raleigh-branded VGT RD, Cyclone FD.
> Already had around a Simplex chainguard that I tinkered to fit with the
> Cyclone FD, using and slightly altering the Simplex hardware.
> GB Hiduminium stem, Maes bars, NOS Weinmann 730 side pulls.
>
>
> 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: COFFEE OUTSIDE BAY AREA FIELD TRIP

[Kellie]

Keeping with the Field Trip theme, *COFFEE OUTSIDE BAY AREA* is gathering 
at César Chåvez Park in Berkeley this Sat. April 22, 7AM. Make sure you 
look at the appropriate map and hope to see you there! More info 
@coffeeoutsideba




On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 3:59:31 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:
>
> *This Sat. April 15*, *Coffee Outside Bay Area* is gathering at Middle 
> Harbor Shoreline Park at 7AM. One of our regulars says this is a "gem of a 
> park," and would like to share it with us all. So get your brew kit packed 
> or bring treats to trade and join us this Sat. morning. I'll be leaving 
> MacArthur BART about 6:30AM for anyone who wants to join me for the ride 
> over. It's about 5 miles from MacArthur BART to the park. Below is a map 
> with more info @coffeeoutsideba
>
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Au contrare, Riv has these B65 fenders (albeit not as long as some other 
models), built up on an Appaloosa in the product photo: 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/fenders/products/sks-esge-commuter-ii-silver-fenders-b65-700c-29er

Riv's description lists these as up to 55mm tires, which means they would 
likely work with the Torches.

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 10:29:54 AM UTC-5, Ian Strader wrote:
>
> Seems like Compass 700x44 would be about as big as you could get if you 
> wanted fenders on the Appaloosa. Sweet bike, btw
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:23:56 AM UTC-7, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>> Forgot a rear clearance shot (it's pretty close) and a better shot of the 
>> flat section of the tread. 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:20:47 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>>
>>> I have gone on a few rides now with Maxxis Torch tires mounted on my 
>>> Appaloosa. I'm using the stock rims (25mm outer IIRC). Tires are rated at 
>>> 700 x 53 and measure out around 51.5 after breaking in. So far, I like them 
>>> more than my Big Bens but maybe not as much as Compass tires. The treaded 
>>> area is quite thick compared to the sidewalls and has a hard edge, which I 
>>> was not expecting and is also hard to photograph. Folded up it appeared as 
>>> though there would be a significant effect on cornering but inflated the 
>>> tire has a nice tread coverage. I'm working them down slowly, they're now 
>>> at 30/35psi and feel like they could go much lower, but I'm still 
>>> experimenting. The tread is grippy even off road and held up on a short 
>>> steep dirt climb I've washed out on before. 
>>>
>>> My friend test rode the Appaloosa around the parking lot of the local 
>>> brewery and got a piece of glass crammed between the treads. That was less 
>>> than fun. Although it probably would have survived only if it were one of 
>>> the extreme Schwalbe-type flat protection systems. Had a patch kit but the 
>>> patch job seems to be slowly leaking air – is there anything more 
>>> infuriating about bicycles than flat tires?
>>>
>>> Overall I am happy with this tire as a slick for commuting and riding 
>>> gravel/fire roads and will probably keep it on unless I feel like picking 
>>> up a pair of Smart Sams. These are my favorite semislick 50+ tire I've 
>>> tried. That said, they were about $100 for the pair at my LBS and if 
>>> Compass had an offering in this size, I'd pony up the extra dough. The 
>>> Snoqualmie Pass felt plusher at a similar psi ratio. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 8:58:32 AM UTC-5, Trenker wrote:

 What is available in tires 700 x 45-50 for commuting and touring? For 
 an Atlantis on synergy rims. I have used Marathon Supremes in 700 x 40. 
 They are really nice tires and I have toured with them. Most of the paved 
 and unpaved roads in my area are fine with these, but some newly laid 
 gravel can need a wider tire. 


 I have Compass 700x44 and they are very light tires. For touring they’d 
 be all right because even if I get a flat every couple of days it doesn’t 
 matter, since I stop to rest anyway. But they are hardly bigger than the 
 Compass 700x38, they measure about 40-42 mm on my rims. For combined 
 touring and commuting I want something a bit sturdier than the Compass and 
 a bit lighter construction than the Marathon Supreme, at least 45 mm wide. 
  
 I want to make good use of the clearance on the Atlantis.




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Re: [RBW] Re: It's going to be a 'long' weekend (or probably a few)

[Patrick Moore]

One BIG RULE!!! for cutting cable housing. Measure it carefully! Measure it
again! And again! And again! *Then* cut!

If I had $5 for every time over the almost-50-years I've been building
bikes that I've cut the housing too short, I'd be writing this from
Martinique with obsequious servants and lovely damsels hovering around to
please me.

I *still* cut it too short! And lucked out most recently with the expensive
Yokozuna housing for the Matthews's disc brakes -- the front ended up
*just* long enough. Sheesh!

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Ash A  wrote:

> Thanks Philip.  I was already feeling like fatter tire is a better match
> for the demeanor of this bike.  Glad I picked up yours.
>
> "If it won't fit don't force it."  and "Let the bike teach you" are very
> useful advices.  Velo Orange rear hub wouldn't slide into drop outs. First
> thought was to force it, thinking that the pain might be extra thick there.
> On a second thought, I decided to slightly file the part of the hub that
> sits inside the dropouts.
>
> Overall, 40% done.  (had thought I would be 80% done this weekend).
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 15 April 2017 15:32:13 UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Best of luck! Your tires are going to be dropped off at the post office
>> Monday!
>>
>> I just got mine fully built last week, still dialing in the fit, but I
>> think you will be pleasantly surprised!
>>
>> For me, the bars are up high! About a few inches from the saddle, feels
>> better that way without giving up too much in the way of "speed" (or the
>> perception of).
>>
>> Best of luck!
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Re: [RBW] Is the Saddlesack, Large, a good container for largish loads over roughish terrain?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the confirmation.

Don't Saddlesacks come with the stiffener? My new Med did, and this newtome
Large has one, too.

How do you attach yours to your bike -- ie, to rack and in the event, to
saddle?

Patrick "not planning to carry camping supplies, planning to carry books"
Moore

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

> Short answer, yes.   I created a bottom for my compartment using a small
> sheet of  corrugated plastic from the hardware store to help prevent sag.
> Marc
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[RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[DarinM]

I tried to post info last week but it didn't go through, I'm interested in 
looking into this project. 

The Pacenti crown appears to be available again: here. 


Here 

 is 
the relevant thread from the Jeff Lyon/Stag project.

I would expect a lower price could be arranged by not using such premium 
pieces as the GD crown and Toei blades. 

I imagine most of these would be purchased for older MTB's, were 
axle-to-crown and offsets consistent enough to build something that would 
satisfy enough people?


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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

[Ian Strader]

Seems like Compass 700x44 would be about as big as you could get if you 
wanted fenders on the Appaloosa. Sweet bike, btw

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:23:56 AM UTC-7, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> Forgot a rear clearance shot (it's pretty close) and a better shot of the 
> flat section of the tread. 
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:20:47 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>> I have gone on a few rides now with Maxxis Torch tires mounted on my 
>> Appaloosa. I'm using the stock rims (25mm outer IIRC). Tires are rated at 
>> 700 x 53 and measure out around 51.5 after breaking in. So far, I like them 
>> more than my Big Bens but maybe not as much as Compass tires. The treaded 
>> area is quite thick compared to the sidewalls and has a hard edge, which I 
>> was not expecting and is also hard to photograph. Folded up it appeared as 
>> though there would be a significant effect on cornering but inflated the 
>> tire has a nice tread coverage. I'm working them down slowly, they're now 
>> at 30/35psi and feel like they could go much lower, but I'm still 
>> experimenting. The tread is grippy even off road and held up on a short 
>> steep dirt climb I've washed out on before. 
>>
>> My friend test rode the Appaloosa around the parking lot of the local 
>> brewery and got a piece of glass crammed between the treads. That was less 
>> than fun. Although it probably would have survived only if it were one of 
>> the extreme Schwalbe-type flat protection systems. Had a patch kit but the 
>> patch job seems to be slowly leaking air – is there anything more 
>> infuriating about bicycles than flat tires?
>>
>> Overall I am happy with this tire as a slick for commuting and riding 
>> gravel/fire roads and will probably keep it on unless I feel like picking 
>> up a pair of Smart Sams. These are my favorite semislick 50+ tire I've 
>> tried. That said, they were about $100 for the pair at my LBS and if 
>> Compass had an offering in this size, I'd pony up the extra dough. The 
>> Snoqualmie Pass felt plusher at a similar psi ratio. 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2017 at 8:58:32 AM UTC-5, Trenker wrote:
>>>
>>> What is available in tires 700 x 45-50 for commuting and touring? For an 
>>> Atlantis on synergy rims. I have used Marathon Supremes in 700 x 40. They 
>>> are really nice tires and I have toured with them. Most of the paved and 
>>> unpaved roads in my area are fine with these, but some newly laid gravel 
>>> can need a wider tire. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I have Compass 700x44 and they are very light tires. For touring they’d 
>>> be all right because even if I get a flat every couple of days it doesn’t 
>>> matter, since I stop to rest anyway. But they are hardly bigger than the 
>>> Compass 700x38, they measure about 40-42 mm on my rims. For combined 
>>> touring and commuting I want something a bit sturdier than the Compass and 
>>> a bit lighter construction than the Marathon Supreme, at least 45 mm wide.  
>>> I want to make good use of the clearance on the Atlantis.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Eric Langley]

Anyone have any experience with the Minnehaha Medium 
 
bag?

I have their canvas panniers, and I'm pretty happy with them. Going on a 
weeklong tour this summer with front panniers, handlebar bag, and a rear 
saddlebag. 

This one seems capacious enough for my needs, and definitely within 
price-range at about $60-$70. Quality unlikely to be on par with some of 
the suggestions, but IDK. What do you think?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Med Saddalesack

[Isaiah Kramer]

Sold

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 10:26:11 AM UTC-7, Isaiah Kramer wrote:
>
> Good Condition: $140 shipped
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[RBW] FS: Roscoe Bubbe Headtube Badge

[PaulM]

Howdy, Purchased a Roscoe #5 and really didn't like the head tube badge. So 
if anybody needs one or collects Rivendell headtube badges this one is in 
perfect condition and can be yours for $20 shipped. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[blakcloud]

Not Compass but Grand Bois, I use Hetres. I had to remove my fenders as 
they were to close for comfort. If you are using fenders you might want to 
add that info as it might change the recommendations. 

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[RBW] Re: just waiting on my white Bluemels

[RichS]

Wow, that's beautiful!!! Let us know how it performs.

Regards,
Richard 

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 8:03:28 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> on their way from France.  
> Will be taking the first distance ride on my old-bike project today (it 
> already has a bigger Brooks bag with room for the tools).  
>
> Bought a '57 Lenton Grand Prix bare frame and original fork on CR.  What 
> makes this frame tricky to build, aside from the Raleigh threads, is the 
> Sturmey-Archer spec. droputs:  
> 115mm OLD, 8mm axle slots.  
> Also learned the single shifter boss was all English - though it looked 
> like a Simplex/Huret boss, it will only fit Cyclo.  
>
> I have a set of Zeus dropouts, but I'm proud to have built this bike 
> without altering the frame.  
> What's really cool about the 1957 frame, is that it was gun-metal blued 
> beneath the paint, making it rust-proof, but also, the bluing and silver 
> paint diffused together, giving the paint a platinum-gray patina.  
>
> I knew I could build a better bike than take to hunt down and buy back the 
> original parts.  Used many parts that I already had here, sourced a few, 
> and engineered the hubset with the help of Michael R. at Phil Wood.  
> The only correct parts on this bike are the saddle, stem, and right-side 
> shifter.  
>
> Yellow Jersey had the NOS 26tpi Whitworth headset.  
> Phil BB, custom Phil hubs, 8mm axles, 115mm OLD.  Had to use Synergy O/C 
> rim to get the hubs approved by Phil Engr.  
> Cyclotouriste triple, half-steps plus granny, wide 5sp IRC freewheel.  
> Raleigh-branded VGT RD, Cyclone FD.  
> Already had around a Simplex chainguard that I tinkered to fit with the 
> Cyclone FD, using and slightly altering the Simplex hardware.  
> GB Hiduminium stem, Maes bars, NOS Weinmann 730 side pulls.  
>
>
> 
>  
> 
>
>
> 
>  
> 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[RichS]

Congratulations on your new Joe! Looks like you're off to a great start. 
Love the closeup image of the thumb shifter and bell.
Comfort is definitely king in my book too. 

Regards,
Richard

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 2:48:50 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Even though I am still figuring out some crankset/BB issues on a preferred 
> set-up, I could not stand it and built the bike up and went riding!  This 
> is very much the beta release, though the basics are certainly there.  It 
> will, I think, end up with Berthoud fenders, racks (Tubus Cosmo rear, Nitto 
> 27f up front), a B LED mounted to the front rack (all from the last of 
> the nice parts stash) and maybe even, at some point, a fancy Rivendell 
> saddle bag?! 
>
> Current build:
> Mavic A719 rims, SON front hub, Phil rear, older but very nice 8-speed 
> (12-32) cassette, Schwalbe Mondial tires (700x45 (marked 700x47))
> Nitto Bullmoose bars, Tektro City brake levers, Silver shifters mounted on 
> Paul Thumbies, Ergon GP1 cork grips
> Old school XT derailleurs
> Brooks Cambium C17 saddle - slate
> Currently XT M770 triple mountain crankset - eventually will be Sugino AT 
> triple
>
> I love it!!  These words do not come easily but I do believe this is my 
> last real bike and build.  It seems my knee is checking out before the rest 
> of me so the ongoing succession of bikes I have had will slow or end here. 
>  But here, with the Appaloosa as the last, that seems much better than it 
> could be.
>
> Impressions so far...
>
> At times it seems like a big bike, especially when getting it out the 
> door(!), as it is longer and wider than some other bikes.  But standover is 
> perfect though I am accustomed to big bikes.  This is a 58cm and I have a 
> pbh of ~89cm for reference.  I would never be able to ride 62cm though, at 
> least not with the larger tires these bikes call out for.  That said, at 
> times it seems small as well, as it is light on its feet and very 
> maneuverable even at slow speeds and great for exploring.  The Bullmoose 
> bars help with that I think but I have to say I was surprised to find the 
> bars so,  well, relaxed!  I would have thought they would feel a little 
> more aggressive down as low as they go but they are about level with the 
> saddle and feel a little higher than that.  The Appaloosa is just designed 
> to get the bars up high without craziness.  A Nitto stem with other bars 
> could probably lower things if needed, not that I need.  My other preferred 
> bars these days are MAP/Ahearne's but I am not so sure they would be much 
> different than the Bullmoose though experiments are always possible.  I am 
> only guessing but I also believe I could ride this bike with drop bars if I 
> decided (probably with a dirt drop stem), again not that I think I will. 
>  Good to have options and ways to experiment though.
>
> One thing that really worked out well, at least for the moment, is the 
> 8-speed shifting with the Paul Thumbie mounted Silver shifters.  They just 
> work perfectly, intuitively, and beg the question on how shifting could be 
> any easier.  I have always been a friction shifting guy but these take it 
> all to a new level perfect for what I wanted.  For reference I am using 
> the special base adapters for using the Silver shifters with the Thumbies.
>
> Anyway, like I said, this is only the first, get it on the road, build. 
>  Apologies for the far less than great pictures as well... more to come and 
> better I hope.  I am lucky enough to have a very special Cheviot as well, 
> so one day I will get pictures of that bike up to Flickr. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/albums/72157682579281726
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
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[RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[RichS]

My Sam runs 650b, Loup Loup Pass, 38 on the front and a Soma B Line 38 on 
the rear. I ride on similar surfaces. Quite happy with the setup.

Regards,
Richard

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 9:01:55 PM UTC-4, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Which Compass tires or something else do you really like for your Sam? 
> I'll mostly be using mine for pavement and light gravel, dirt and grass. 
> Thanks

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[RBW] Is the Saddlesack, Large, a good container for largish loads over roughish terrain?

[Marc Irwin]

Short answer, yes.   I created a bottom for my compartment using a small sheet 
of  corrugated plastic from the hardware store to help prevent sag. 
Marc

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Jonathan D.]

I just got a 55 Joe and I don't have much extra for stand over. My PBH is 85. 
Great bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Compass tires for Sam

[lconley]

Snoqualmie Pass 44mm standard weight. Almost couldn't feel the brick roads 
on the Cross-Florida ride.

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 9:01:55 PM UTC-4, Carla Waugh wrote:
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> Which Compass tires or something else do you really like for your Sam? 
> I'll mostly be using mine for pavement and light gravel, dirt and grass. 
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Andrew,

I cannot speak to the 55, but on a 58, I measure ~85cm just in front of the 
saddle, ~86.5-87cm mid-tube, ~89cm at or near the head tube.  That is with 
Schwalbe Mondial tires, marked 700x47 and sometimes sold as 700x45.  I 
measure actual tire height (for these) at just a little over 45mm.

Hopefully that is right and also hopefully people can provide measures for 
the other sizes.

Bob


On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 6:18:48 AM UTC-5, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> Can someone speak to the stand over, particularly on a 55?  I have one on 
> order now. I did some looking at an old post by Sky and see a SOH of 83.x. 
> I'm a bit worried because I'm on the low end for sizing at 84 PBH. Riv does 
> not list it. I don't think they have any  51 completes now so I'd be in a 
> pinch, literally. I figured the top tube slope would make it a non issue 
> but maybe it could be. 

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[RBW] Re: 700 x 45-50 options

[William R.]

Spot on Stuart. Great photos too, really nice Joe! Read about the Torches here 
and checked out Maxxis' specs. They sounded so good I ordered a pair from 
Germany. While I waited for them to arrive, I took the Almotions off (don't 
think I can ever like them) and replaced them with my Lite Skin Thunder Burts. 
The Thunder Burts are so good. The only place I feel they are lacking a little 
is on pavement. And most of my rides involve at least 50% pavement. That has 
kept my eyes open for a better all rounder. Enter the Torches. Comparing them 
side by side before mounting the casings seem almost identical. And right away 
I noticed abrupt start and uniform thickness of the tread from edge to edge. I 
guess that is where the extra 200 grams per tire is. Still, these are a good 
200 grams per tire less than the Almotions too. I like the Torches a lot. I 
think the only area they are lacking a. It against the T-Burts is weight. I 
have been riding them daily for a week now. They are fast and corner better 
than any tire in this size range that I have tried. I guess they perform like a 
good bmx tire should. I plan to keep these on as my favorite all round tire. If 
I do an all or mostly dirt ride I will put the Thunder Burts on. Though I am 
guessing the Torches will perform well in the dirt too. 

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] just waiting on my white Bluemels

[Ron Mc]

on their way from France.  
Will be taking the first distance ride on my old-bike project today (it 
already has a bigger Brooks bag with room for the tools).  

Bought a '57 Lenton Grand Prix bare frame and original fork on CR.  What 
makes this frame tricky to build, aside from the Raleigh threads, is the 
Sturmey-Archer spec. droputs:  
115mm OLD, 8mm axle slots.  
Also learned the single shifter boss was all English - though it looked 
like a Simplex/Huret boss, it will only fit Cyclo.  

I have a set of Zeus dropouts, but I'm proud to have built this bike 
without altering the frame.  
What's really cool about the 1957 frame, is that it was gun-metal blued 
beneath the paint, making it rust-proof, but also, the bluing and silver 
paint diffused together, giving the paint a platinum-gray patina.  

I knew I could build a better bike than take to hunt down and buy back the 
original parts.  Used many parts that I already had here, sourced a few, 
and engineered the hubset with the help of Michael R. at Phil Wood.  
The only correct parts on this bike are the saddle, stem, and right-side 
shifter.  

Yellow Jersey had the NOS 26tpi Whitworth headset.  
Phil BB, custom Phil hubs, 8mm axles, 115mm OLD.  Had to use Synergy O/C 
rim to get the hubs approved by Phil Engr.  
Cyclotouriste triple, half-steps plus granny, wide 5sp IRC freewheel.  
Raleigh-branded VGT RD, Cyclone FD.  
Already had around a Simplex chainguard that I tinkered to fit with the 
Cyclone FD, using and slightly altering the Simplex hardware.  
GB Hiduminium stem, Maes bars, NOS Weinmann 730 side pulls.  


 



 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Sky Coulter]

I asked Will about standover. He measured the 55cm at 83.5cm with the stock 
tires (40mm i think).  I did notice a 51cm silver appa framset on portlands 
craigslist tonight.

Sky in new west

> On Apr 17, 2017, at 4:18 AM, Andrew Huston  
> wrote:
> 
> Can someone speak to the stand over, particularly on a 55?  I have one on 
> order now. I did some looking at an old post by Sky and see a SOH of 83.x. 
> I'm a bit worried because I'm on the low end for sizing at 84 PBH. Riv does 
> not list it. I don't think they have any  51 completes now so I'd be in a 
> pinch, literally. I figured the top tube slope would make it a non issue but 
> maybe it could be. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Stuart,

Not only does your bike look perfect but you take much better pictures than 
I!  Your saddlebag looks great on it, ready for errands or adventure. I 
actaully lived in Austin way, way, back when, before tech moved there along 
with other jobs.  When I was there, you either worked for the State or for 
UT.   I can remember riding my bike on a Sunday shortly after I got there, 
just riding and riding, then thinking I had "discovered" Lake Travis...  In 
a way, I suppose I had!  Of course, racing back to tell people of my 
"discovery" was a little anticlimactic, but hey...

Enjoy the weather and rides - and congrats on the new bike!

Bob
 

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 10:13:09 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
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> Bob, our last names and our Appaloosa builds are likewise similar. Glad to 
> hear you're also enjoying your bike. 
>
> - Stuart Lovinggood in Austin 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa build - beta version

[Andrew Huston]

Can someone speak to the stand over, particularly on a 55?  I have one on order 
now. I did some looking at an old post by Sky and see a SOH of 83.x. I'm a bit 
worried because I'm on the low end for sizing at 84 PBH. Riv does not list it. 
I don't think they have any  51 completes now so I'd be in a pinch, literally. 
I figured the top tube slope would make it a non issue but maybe it could be. 

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