Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

Trivisive.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Sackville SaddleSack Small

[Jan O.]

The SaddleSack has been sold. 

Thank you.
Jan

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[RBW] Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Joe Bernard]

You send Jim a private email. Which you already knew. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Good point, Rich. I guess I'm comparing directly to the Cheviot and Crust, both 
of which have itty-bitty tubes. In a world of downhillers and fatbikes...not 
such a bruiser! ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: N+4?

[Eric Floden]

OT but FWIW I was one of seven people on a motorcycle (we were young and
bored)

EricF
Then of Niagara Falls ON
On a Kawasaki 750H2 - I was the one standing on the front axles...

On 2 July 2018 at 07:44, eflayer  wrote:

> i can't ride more than 3 bikes at the same time, so my herd is limited to
> three. one steel, one titanium, one carbon.
>
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 7:00:47 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> As someone wisely pointed out on this group, if you see a Riv frame you
>> like, it's best to buy it when it's offered. On that basis, I just ordered
>> a New Atlantis, a.k.a. MIT Atlantis, a.k.a. LWB Atlantis. It's a 59cm,
>> meaning 700C with a truss. The joke is that I already have three other
>> builds queued up (an Ocean Air Rambler 700C, a Sam Hilborne, and an old
>> Nobilette go-fast); I've done a really good job of not getting to these,
>> due to a range of distractions, but have full build kits for the Rambler
>> and Hillborne, and need to spend some quality time in the basement, putting
>> them together. Given that it's also prime riding season, what this really
>> means is that I need some weather foul enough to make me prefer wrenching
>> to riding.
>>
>> So why, when I already have builds for three more very likable bicycles
>> queued up, on top of five bikes already in the stable that give me real
>> satisfaction to ride, would I go and order another frameset? Rocks in my
>> head? Poor impulse control? Probably. But it falls out like this, I think:
>> I've got a soft spot in my head for touring bikes, and already own two;
>> I've got another soft spot in my head for Compass tires, and was an early
>> adopter of Barlows, RTPs, and Snoqs, all Extralights; none of my current
>> bikes would accommodate the Antelope Pass, I've wanted an Atlantis for
>> years, and the Riv long chainstays experiment is intriguing; I have also
>> admired the old ANT truss bikes, and missed the window for those. So,
>> godnose when I'll get it built, but I've taken the plunge...
>>
>> ... and when they are all built, what on earth am I going to do with 9
>> bikes? My bicycle hobby is turning into one of those "if present trends
>> continue" jokes...
>>
>> rod
>>
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[RBW] Re: N+4?

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Rod,

That's as fine a rationalization as I've heard or read in awhile.  In fact, 
it's as good as the ones I tell my wife on a too-regular basis.  

Dave

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[R Shannon]

Joe, thanks for your concise Clem/Chev comparison. Have to say though your Clem 
looks pretty lithe here and less of a “bruiser”. 

All the best,
Rich



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> On Jul 2, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Mo pics of Clem, now with new improved slammed stem and raised ti B17. 
> There's no build to show here - I haven't even done the inevitable racks 'n' 
> bags yet - but I hardly ever see pics of mustard Clems so here ya go. 
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bbLThFy31qqZkc148
> 
> I did back-to-back rides on Clem and Chev today and they're both spectacular 
> bicycles. I like the differences, which I delineated earlier: Clem is a big 
> bruiser of a bike that would be hard to out-do as a town basher/trail bike; 
> Cheviot is all delicacy and lightness and grace. Good bikes!
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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Mo pics of Clem, now with new improved slammed stem and raised ti B17. There's 
no build to show here - I haven't even done the inevitable racks 'n' bags yet - 
but I hardly ever see pics of mustard Clems so here ya go. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/bbLThFy31qqZkc148

I did back-to-back rides on Clem and Chev today and they're both spectacular 
bicycles. I like the differences, which I delineated earlier: Clem is a big 
bruiser of a bike that would be hard to out-do as a town basher/trail bike; 
Cheviot is all delicacy and lightness and grace. Good bikes!

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Timothy Hurley]

Double top tubes are out. Next big thing: double seat tubes.

- T.J. “The only thing I wish was different about my ‘09 SH is that it had a 
2nd top tube” Hurley

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Spy shot!!!




On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 3:15:30 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
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> It'll be a first look at our three-top tube bike!
>
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[RBW] Spencers Bespoke Breeks?

[Deacon Patrick]

Anyone have experience with Spencers Trousers’ bespoke breeks? 
https://www.spencers-trousers.com/

I have to say, I’ve asked a few questions by email so far and am impressed with 
Nigel’s knowledge and solutions (particularly his plan to make breeks for 
cycling AND floor-living, which require greater range of motion than normal) 
while (hopefully) still fitting properly. As it is, with the off-the-shelf, I 
have to size up, and belt down the waist, and that is fussy and still moves a 
bit oddly. At roughly $200 delivered (tweed), not bad, presuming they are made 
to last and fit and move well.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Grant Petersen]

A trifecta, or a triple threat to our continued existence? We'll see..
we're working on a spider web frame.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 4:12 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> That will make folks do a double-take.
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:15:30 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>
>> It'll be a first look at our three-top tube bike!
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG
>>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>>>
>>> Will this be the mountain bike post?
>>> Will this be the Rivendell with a suspension fork post?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 12:05:43 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:

 The next BLAHG will be even more not-intentionally divisive, probably.
 It will have more bike content in it.


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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That will make folks do a double-take.

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:15:30 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> It'll be a first look at our three-top tube bike!
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>>
>> Will this be the mountain bike post?
>> Will this be the Rivendell with a suspension fork post?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 12:05:43 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>>
>>> The next BLAHG will be even more not-intentionally divisive, probably. 
>>> It will have more bike content in it. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Cameron Murphy]

They're decent coatings that convert some of the Iron (III) oxide to a more 
stable form of Ferric Tannate.  It's not magic, and will only convert a small 
amount of the rust, so it's not going to handle large rust deposits, or restore 
structurally unsound tubes. It's just a good primer for lightly rusted tubes, 
not "new steel in-a-can"

Cameron Murphy
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[RBW] Crankypants & Thoughtful Responses

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Jim is there a way to flag a post that doesn’t meet the criteria as stated for 
this group?  

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Three tubes are divisive...in triplicate!

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Grant Petersen]

It'll be a first look at our three-top tube bike!

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG
> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
> Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
>
> Will this be the mountain bike post?
> Will this be the Rivendell with a suspension fork post?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 12:05:43 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>>
>> The next BLAHG will be even more not-intentionally divisive, probably. It
>> will have more bike content in it.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Bill Lindsay]

A steel moose stem with a removable face plate that comes in 25.4mm and 
26.0mm and 31.8mm clamp diameters would be cool.  Some bars have such a 
narrow bulge/sleeve section that it may be beneficial to have a 23,8mm 
clamp diameter as well.   

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 1:06:17 PM UTC-7, Takashi wrote:
>
> Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>> A steel moose stem with removable faceplates 
>>
>
> You mean something like this? (Requires a threadless converter)
> https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-v-4-stem-dull.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Takashi]

Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> A steel moose stem with removable faceplates 
>

You mean something like this? (Requires a threadless converter)
https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-v-4-stem-dull.html

Takashi

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Patrick Moore]

"The effect of disc-brake denial on national immigration policy."

"Why lugs encourage illegal aliens."

"Sanctuary cities and the grass-roots demand for long chain stays."

"Family border separation caused by too much carbon fiber!"

Patrick "I could do this all day long" Moore, who agrees with H. L. Mencken
that "One belly laugh is worth 10,000 syllogisms."

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[RBW] ISO 48 tooth 50.4 bcd chainring, suitable for outer-place mounting, good condition

[Patrick Moore]

I plan to swap the 32 mm 406 bsd Kojaks on the Hon Solo to 42-43 mm Tioga
Power Bands, and I'd like to keep the same roughly 68" gear, which means
replacing the 50 t Pro 5 Vis ring with a 48. (50 X 15 will give a slightly
lower gear; I know, I know.)

$ or I can trade for a very lightly used 50 t; possibly a nice 44 t too,
tho' will have to check The Box.

Thanks, Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Bill Lindsay]

Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG
Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again
Bill hits the "Refresh" button on the BLAHG again

Will this be the mountain bike post?
Will this be the Rivendell with a suspension fork post?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 12:05:43 PM UTC-7, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
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> The next BLAHG will be even more not-intentionally divisive, probably. It 
> will have more bike content in it. 
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>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

"Hey, abducting children seems bad" didn't strike me as a particularly divisive 
statement...

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Grant @ Rivendell]

The next BLAHG will be even more not-intentionally divisive, probably. It 
will have more bike content in it. 

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:59:48 AM UTC-7, Richard wrote:
>
> Viva De Niro!!??
>
> Apparently Grant is in full agreement with De Niro's vulgar, classless 
> attack on the president. That's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. Me, I'm 
> free to shop elsewhere.
>
> My values and beliefs aren't welcome at Rivendell, so in the future, I'll 
> spend my money elsewhere. No big deal.
> To be honest Grant lost me years ago with the double top tube thing:)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 12:11:24 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Echoing Joe's thoughts here.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

REI Outlet has been a good source for merino wool content socks, tights and 
tops/underlayers.
Not much from Ibex but there are a few and a lot of items from SmartWool. 
Usually sizes are constrained but available in XL and/or Small. 
Cycling specific wool shorts and tops are rare. 

I just ordered two Patagonia "Steersman" shirts which look to have large, 
buttoned breast pockets. "Airy and fast-wicking for hot and humid 
climates"
Will try them out for cycling. (Hoping the pockets will be good for wallet 
and phone.)

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 4:34:17 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Recently got the new RUSA summer weight wool jersey (there is a heavier 
> version too).  Excellent in hot and humid weather. No nipple abrasion when 
> wet, and no freezing when I go inside an air conditioned store or food stop 
> on a long ride. Ebay is also a source for out of production but good stuff 
> from Swobo, Ibex, and others.

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Re: [RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Ron Mc]

it does what I described, dehydrating rust, more aggressively passivating 
the metal surface using citric or dilute phosphoric acid.  If you clean it 
well and don't have a lot of residual chloride, then paint it, it should 
hold up.  

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 12:41:17 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Speaking of rust, since we're on the subject and metallurgy experts have 
> been chiming in, what is the prevailing opinion of some of these products 
> on the market nowadays that supposedly turn rust into a hard material that 
> supposedly restores the rusted areas to something like the original 
> surface?   I tried some of that stuff on a rusting vehicle I owed several 
> decades ago (when those products first became available) and I was less 
> than impressed by the results.  Not sure what chemical processes take place 
> with those products, but it always sounded too good to be true - and that 
> was my experience.
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:13:58 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Reed, no worries at all - I had a point to get across, and had to revert 
>> to my profession to make it.  My 44-y-o Raleigh is not treated, but I 
>> bought it new, and it's never been stored even in the garage - always 
>> inside.  
>> The marks on the paint are where my younger daughter used it for her 
>> indoor gym.  
>>
>> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:07 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>
 And having one data point is much less than the population of bicycle 
 frames.  

>>> Hey Ron, thank you for your thoughtful, educated, and thorough posts on 
>>> this topic. I, for one, have tremendously enjoyed reading them and have 
>>> learned a good deal, specifically about the differences between various 
>>> types of steel oxidation.
>>>
>>> I didn't mean to imply that these pictures are proof that protecting the 
>>> inside of a bicycle's frame tubes from corrosion is never worthwhile under 
>>> any circumstances. I don't believe that. That's why I was careful to learn 
>>> as much of the history of the frame pictured as I could, and to spell it 
>>> all out in my post. 
>>>
>>> Personally, before I cut up this frame I had zero data points. I figure 
>>> many folks on the forum are in a similar position. Now we have one data 
>>> point. I hope that's better? And not just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
>>>
>>> Myself, I live in the same place this frame was ridden. So the 
>>> information is especially helpful to me. The question in my mind was 
>>> whether I should disassemble a bike I bought new for $1,200 just to apply 
>>> Frame Saver. I don't think I will. On the other hand, next time I take it 
>>> apart for some other reason I will go ahead and treat it.
>>>
>>> For me, protecting the inside of the tubes from rust isn't a "do" or 
>>> "don't" question. It's a "rush" or "do when convenient" question. 
>>>
>>> I figure I can hold off until I wear out the headset and bottom bracket, 
>>> and do it then. There's so little downside! And I like the idea that others 
>>> will enjoy these bicycles well past my own time here.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Reed
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N+4?

[iamkeith]

I totally get it.  I'm getting a new Atlantis, and it's just going to go to 
the back of the que until I finish some other bike projects and until I can 
afford a wheelset.   It will likely be several years before I ever ride 
it.  

Like you said, "when you see a Rivendell that you like, you need to get it 
when you can" but, in my case I have to add "when you find a Rivendell (or 
any bike, for that matter) that *fits*..."  The Atlantis has always been 
the aspirational ultimate for me, but has never been offered in a frame 
size that worked.  You could see it as a problem that I now have several 
other bikes which I got as alternatives and which more or less duplicate 
it's function, but I like them way too much and I've spent too much time 
dialing them in to get rid of them.  That's one of the reasons I like the 
long chainstays so much.  Variety, even if it's subtle, is variety.  Or, I 
could justify it as a "spare."  

I kind of want to give some cashflow to Riv right now too, even though my 
own is tight at the moment.

Meanwhile, none of this means that I'm not actively refining a short list 
for the NEXT bike or two that I'll buy.   You'll have to get WAY over 20 
bikes before I see it as a hoarding problem, so relax.  You're in good 
company.



On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 8:00:47 AM UTC-6, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> As someone wisely pointed out on this group, if you see a Riv frame you 
> like, it's best to buy it when it's offered. On that basis, I just ordered 
> a New Atlantis, a.k.a. MIT Atlantis, a.k.a. LWB Atlantis. It's a 59cm, 
> meaning 700C with a truss. The joke is that I already have three other 
> builds queued up (an Ocean Air Rambler 700C, a Sam Hilborne, and an old 
> Nobilette go-fast); I've done a really good job of not getting to these, 
> due to a range of distractions, but have full build kits for the Rambler 
> and Hillborne, and need to spend some quality time in the basement, putting 
> them together. Given that it's also prime riding season, what this really 
> means is that I need some weather foul enough to make me prefer wrenching 
> to riding.
>
> So why, when I already have builds for three more very likable bicycles 
> queued up, on top of five bikes already in the stable that give me real 
> satisfaction to ride, would I go and order another frameset? Rocks in my 
> head? Poor impulse control? Probably. But it falls out like this, I think: 
> I've got a soft spot in my head for touring bikes, and already own two; 
> I've got another soft spot in my head for Compass tires, and was an early 
> adopter of Barlows, RTPs, and Snoqs, all Extralights; none of my current 
> bikes would accommodate the Antelope Pass, I've wanted an Atlantis for 
> years, and the Riv long chainstays experiment is intriguing; I have also 
> admired the old ANT truss bikes, and missed the window for those. So, 
> godnose when I'll get it built, but I've taken the plunge...
>
> ... and when they are all built, what on earth am I going to do with 9 
> bikes? My bicycle hobby is turning into one of those "if present trends 
> continue" jokes... 
>
> rod
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[George Schick]

Speaking of rust, since we're on the subject and metallurgy experts have 
been chiming in, what is the prevailing opinion of some of these products 
on the market nowadays that supposedly turn rust into a hard material that 
supposedly restores the rusted areas to something like the original 
surface?   I tried some of that stuff on a rusting vehicle I owed several 
decades ago (when those products first became available) and I was less 
than impressed by the results.  Not sure what chemical processes take place 
with those products, but it always sounded too good to be true - and that 
was my experience.

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 6:13:58 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Reed, no worries at all - I had a point to get across, and had to revert 
> to my profession to make it.  My 44-y-o Raleigh is not treated, but I 
> bought it new, and it's never been stored even in the garage - always 
> inside.  
> The marks on the paint are where my younger daughter used it for her 
> indoor gym.  
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:07 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> And having one data point is much less than the population of bicycle 
>>> frames.  
>>>
>> Hey Ron, thank you for your thoughtful, educated, and thorough posts on 
>> this topic. I, for one, have tremendously enjoyed reading them and have 
>> learned a good deal, specifically about the differences between various 
>> types of steel oxidation.
>>
>> I didn't mean to imply that these pictures are proof that protecting the 
>> inside of a bicycle's frame tubes from corrosion is never worthwhile under 
>> any circumstances. I don't believe that. That's why I was careful to learn 
>> as much of the history of the frame pictured as I could, and to spell it 
>> all out in my post. 
>>
>> Personally, before I cut up this frame I had zero data points. I figure 
>> many folks on the forum are in a similar position. Now we have one data 
>> point. I hope that's better? And not just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
>>
>> Myself, I live in the same place this frame was ridden. So the 
>> information is especially helpful to me. The question in my mind was 
>> whether I should disassemble a bike I bought new for $1,200 just to apply 
>> Frame Saver. I don't think I will. On the other hand, next time I take it 
>> apart for some other reason I will go ahead and treat it.
>>
>> For me, protecting the inside of the tubes from rust isn't a "do" or 
>> "don't" question. It's a "rush" or "do when convenient" question. 
>>
>> I figure I can hold off until I wear out the headset and bottom bracket, 
>> and do it then. There's so little downside! And I like the idea that others 
>> will enjoy these bicycles well past my own time here.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Reed
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB-Marks Rack & Sackville Saddle Sack

[Peter H]

Hi,

I have an upcoming trip, and I’m rethinking my set up.

This is probably a shot in the dark, but figured I’d ask...

Wondering if anyone on the list has a Marks Rack and Sackville saddle sack 
either small or medium?

Looks like the bags are being discontinued.

Thanks!

Peter

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[RBW] Re: N+4?

[Bill Lindsay]

I vigorously APPROVE of the purchase of an MIT Atlantis
I strenuously APPROVE of the Antelope Pass justification
I wholehearedly APPROVE of purchasing to opportunity vs purchasing to 
need.  Purchasing to opportunity loads up your inventory.  When a need (or 
desire) arises, then you interact with your own inventory.  

Great work!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 7:00:47 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> As someone wisely pointed out on this group, if you see a Riv frame you 
> like, it's best to buy it when it's offered. On that basis, I just ordered 
> a New Atlantis, a.k.a. MIT Atlantis, a.k.a. LWB Atlantis. It's a 59cm, 
> meaning 700C with a truss. The joke is that I already have three other 
> builds queued up (an Ocean Air Rambler 700C, a Sam Hilborne, and an old 
> Nobilette go-fast); I've done a really good job of not getting to these, 
> due to a range of distractions, but have full build kits for the Rambler 
> and Hillborne, and need to spend some quality time in the basement, putting 
> them together. Given that it's also prime riding season, what this really 
> means is that I need some weather foul enough to make me prefer wrenching 
> to riding.
>
> So why, when I already have builds for three more very likable bicycles 
> queued up, on top of five bikes already in the stable that give me real 
> satisfaction to ride, would I go and order another frameset? Rocks in my 
> head? Poor impulse control? Probably. But it falls out like this, I think: 
> I've got a soft spot in my head for touring bikes, and already own two; 
> I've got another soft spot in my head for Compass tires, and was an early 
> adopter of Barlows, RTPs, and Snoqs, all Extralights; none of my current 
> bikes would accommodate the Antelope Pass, I've wanted an Atlantis for 
> years, and the Riv long chainstays experiment is intriguing; I have also 
> admired the old ANT truss bikes, and missed the window for those. So, 
> godnose when I'll get it built, but I've taken the plunge...
>
> ... and when they are all built, what on earth am I going to do with 9 
> bikes? My bicycle hobby is turning into one of those "if present trends 
> continue" jokes... 
>
> rod
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: N+4?

[eddietheflay]

feet or feat?

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Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Thanks Joe!!

First off I'm glad you are digging your Clem...

The bike a grab most often is my Clem L that I bought off this list.

And thanks for chiming in on the dealer posts.  I'm ultra conscientious of 
making the list a for-sale marketand I'm glad that you're finding stuff 
here that you might have otherwise not found.

Cheers, 

Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 6:13:52 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Btw, an addendum to thoughts about the Crust and Clem as relates to a 
> topic on the BOB: I only knew about these bikes for sale because James at 
> Analog and Alex at Yellow Haus - both Riv dealers - posted them here. I 
> didn't even know what a Lightning Bolt WAS 'til James showed it. So there's 
> that. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Holy moose noodles batman.

+1 on the shallow drop

I am putting some Whiskey No.7 46cm bars on my Hilsen to experiment after 
getting a taste of some shallow drop/flared bars on a friend's bike.

I'll share thoughts if I stick with them.

There are some people that ride 666's at the shop and they flex quite a 
bit.  Most report that as a nice attribute (I can see that), but I think of 
the fatigue resistance of aluminum and it would make me a little nervous.

A steel moose stem with removable faceplates and huge swaged section on an 
ultra wide noodle with shallow drop?  Dreamy. Niche on niche on niche on 
niche and probably wildly expensive.



Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY




On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 12:57:25 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> I had previously been caught up in the sizing differences between Nitto 
> Noodles vs. RM-013 end ended up with the 48cm RM-013 thinking it would be 
> as wide as the widest Noodle but actually has narrower ramp spacing than a 
> 48cm Noodle simply because they are measured differently (center of bar end 
> to end after flare for RM-013 vs center to center of ramp before flare for 
> the Noodles.)
>
> I later found the same biketouringnews article which does show how the 
> 48cm Noodle and 52cm RM-013 are a very close match in ramp to ramp width.  
> I'm still using the 48cm RM-013 but like Keith I also found the drops a 
> little more comfortable when extended a bit with a barend shifter 
> installed, or when not using barend shifters I'll plug with a champagne 
> style cork with thicker top that better matches outer bar diameter and adds 
> another few cm to the ends.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville NJ
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N+4?

[Jock Dewey]

Eddie:

We need pix ASAP of you riding 3 at same time, that's quite a feet! Much as 
I try with my 4, I can only get one going at time.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 10:44:23 AM UTC-4, eflayer wrote:
>
> i can't ride more than 3 bikes at the same time, so my herd is limited to 
> three. one steel, one titanium, one carbon.
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 7:00:47 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> As someone wisely pointed out on this group, if you see a Riv frame you 
>> like, it's best to buy it when it's offered. On that basis, I just ordered 
>> a New Atlantis, a.k.a. MIT Atlantis, a.k.a. LWB Atlantis. It's a 59cm, 
>> meaning 700C with a truss. The joke is that I already have three other 
>> builds queued up (an Ocean Air Rambler 700C, a Sam Hilborne, and an old 
>> Nobilette go-fast); I've done a really good job of not getting to these, 
>> due to a range of distractions, but have full build kits for the Rambler 
>> and Hillborne, and need to spend some quality time in the basement, putting 
>> them together. Given that it's also prime riding season, what this really 
>> means is that I need some weather foul enough to make me prefer wrenching 
>> to riding.
>>
>> So why, when I already have builds for three more very likable bicycles 
>> queued up, on top of five bikes already in the stable that give me real 
>> satisfaction to ride, would I go and order another frameset? Rocks in my 
>> head? Poor impulse control? Probably. But it falls out like this, I think: 
>> I've got a soft spot in my head for touring bikes, and already own two; 
>> I've got another soft spot in my head for Compass tires, and was an early 
>> adopter of Barlows, RTPs, and Snoqs, all Extralights; none of my current 
>> bikes would accommodate the Antelope Pass, I've wanted an Atlantis for 
>> years, and the Riv long chainstays experiment is intriguing; I have also 
>> admired the old ANT truss bikes, and missed the window for those. So, 
>> godnose when I'll get it built, but I've taken the plunge...
>>
>> ... and when they are all built, what on earth am I going to do with 9 
>> bikes? My bicycle hobby is turning into one of those "if present trends 
>> continue" jokes... 
>>
>> rod
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: N+4?

[eflayer]

i can't ride more than 3 bikes at the same time, so my herd is limited to 
three. one steel, one titanium, one carbon.

On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 7:00:47 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> As someone wisely pointed out on this group, if you see a Riv frame you 
> like, it's best to buy it when it's offered. On that basis, I just ordered 
> a New Atlantis, a.k.a. MIT Atlantis, a.k.a. LWB Atlantis. It's a 59cm, 
> meaning 700C with a truss. The joke is that I already have three other 
> builds queued up (an Ocean Air Rambler 700C, a Sam Hilborne, and an old 
> Nobilette go-fast); I've done a really good job of not getting to these, 
> due to a range of distractions, but have full build kits for the Rambler 
> and Hillborne, and need to spend some quality time in the basement, putting 
> them together. Given that it's also prime riding season, what this really 
> means is that I need some weather foul enough to make me prefer wrenching 
> to riding.
>
> So why, when I already have builds for three more very likable bicycles 
> queued up, on top of five bikes already in the stable that give me real 
> satisfaction to ride, would I go and order another frameset? Rocks in my 
> head? Poor impulse control? Probably. But it falls out like this, I think: 
> I've got a soft spot in my head for touring bikes, and already own two; 
> I've got another soft spot in my head for Compass tires, and was an early 
> adopter of Barlows, RTPs, and Snoqs, all Extralights; none of my current 
> bikes would accommodate the Antelope Pass, I've wanted an Atlantis for 
> years, and the Riv long chainstays experiment is intriguing; I have also 
> admired the old ANT truss bikes, and missed the window for those. So, 
> godnose when I'll get it built, but I've taken the plunge...
>
> ... and when they are all built, what on earth am I going to do with 9 
> bikes? My bicycle hobby is turning into one of those "if present trends 
> continue" jokes... 
>
> rod
>
>
>

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[RBW] N+4?

[WETH]

Rod,
Congrats on the new Atlantis, and the other three bikes in your build queue are 
great too!  I always find it comforting to have a build project waiting when 
the time/weather is right. 
I wish Riv put the truss on the 56cm Atlantis too; I’d buy one in a heartbeat.  
I really like the look of the curved second top tube in the 59cm.  
I look forward to photos as you work your way through the builds!
Erl

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[RBW] N+4?

[Rod Holland]

As someone wisely pointed out on this group, if you see a Riv frame you 
like, it's best to buy it when it's offered. On that basis, I just ordered 
a New Atlantis, a.k.a. MIT Atlantis, a.k.a. LWB Atlantis. It's a 59cm, 
meaning 700C with a truss. The joke is that I already have three other 
builds queued up (an Ocean Air Rambler 700C, a Sam Hilborne, and an old 
Nobilette go-fast); I've done a really good job of not getting to these, 
due to a range of distractions, but have full build kits for the Rambler 
and Hillborne, and need to spend some quality time in the basement, putting 
them together. Given that it's also prime riding season, what this really 
means is that I need some weather foul enough to make me prefer wrenching 
to riding.

So why, when I already have builds for three more very likable bicycles 
queued up, on top of five bikes already in the stable that give me real 
satisfaction to ride, would I go and order another frameset? Rocks in my 
head? Poor impulse control? Probably. But it falls out like this, I think: 
I've got a soft spot in my head for touring bikes, and already own two; 
I've got another soft spot in my head for Compass tires, and was an early 
adopter of Barlows, RTPs, and Snoqs, all Extralights; none of my current 
bikes would accommodate the Antelope Pass, I've wanted an Atlantis for 
years, and the Riv long chainstays experiment is intriguing; I have also 
admired the old ANT truss bikes, and missed the window for those. So, 
godnose when I'll get it built, but I've taken the plunge...

... and when they are all built, what on earth am I going to do with 9 
bikes? My bicycle hobby is turning into one of those "if present trends 
continue" jokes... 

rod


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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Jim Bronson]

I missed the other post, but surely nobody could be upset about vulgarity
towards a man who brags about how he grabs 'em in the, well, you know.

Cycling content:  I wish the President's motorcade would drive by me when I
was riding my Rivendell so I could also flip him off like that lady in DC.

If someone finds that upsetting, they can lick the bottom side of my bottom
bracket.

-Jim

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 8:17 AM hugh flynn  wrote:

> Well, I think we’re missing the larger point and that is that Richard was
> upset that someone used course and vulgar language in reference to the
> President when clearly the use of course and vulgar language is reserved
> for the President hisself.
>
> Imagine how upset Richard must have been about the way the current
> President spoke about the last President before the current President was
> the President.
>
> Hugh “standards are like Rivendell top tubes on larger sized bikes” Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:57 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 07/01/2018 11:21 PM, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> I personally have no use to be united with someone who agrees with the 
>> policy of committing human rights violations.
>>
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> There are two main areas of disagreement here: those who disagree with
>> overtly political content on a cycling mailing list and so object to this
>> thread, and those who support the policy in question and object to its
>> being objected to here.  To those in the former camp, I say this: it's not
>> a cycling list per se, it's a list about Rivendell and historically Grant's
>> writing about a subject *even though it's not cycling per se* has made
>> it within the scope of the list.  Subjects such as Paleo diet and hatchets
>> leave no doubt whatever about this in my mind.  So if you don't like the
>> topic being discussed here, blame Grant or get over it and find a more
>> "pure" list.
>>
>> As for the other group, those who support policies of committing human
>> rights violations and dislike seeing them criticized here, I say this: piss
>> off.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[hugh flynn]

Well, I think we’re missing the larger point and that is that Richard was
upset that someone used course and vulgar language in reference to the
President when clearly the use of course and vulgar language is reserved
for the President hisself.

Imagine how upset Richard must have been about the way the current
President spoke about the last President before the current President was
the President.

Hugh “standards are like Rivendell top tubes on larger sized bikes” Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:57 AM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 07/01/2018 11:21 PM, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> I personally have no use to be united with someone who agrees with the policy 
> of committing human rights violations.
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
> There are two main areas of disagreement here: those who disagree with
> overtly political content on a cycling mailing list and so object to this
> thread, and those who support the policy in question and object to its
> being objected to here.  To those in the former camp, I say this: it's not
> a cycling list per se, it's a list about Rivendell and historically Grant's
> writing about a subject *even though it's not cycling per se* has made it
> within the scope of the list.  Subjects such as Paleo diet and hatchets
> leave no doubt whatever about this in my mind.  So if you don't like the
> topic being discussed here, blame Grant or get over it and find a more
> "pure" list.
>
> As for the other group, those who support policies of committing human
> rights violations and dislike seeing them criticized here, I say this: piss
> off.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Ron Mc]

Reed, no worries at all - I had a point to get across, and had to revert to 
my profession to make it.  My 44-y-o Raleigh is not treated, but I bought 
it new, and it's never been stored even in the garage - always inside.  
The marks on the paint are where my younger daughter used it for her indoor 
gym.  

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:46:19 PM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:07 PM Ron Mc > 
> wrote:
>
>> And having one data point is much less than the population of bicycle 
>> frames.  
>>
> Hey Ron, thank you for your thoughtful, educated, and thorough posts on 
> this topic. I, for one, have tremendously enjoyed reading them and have 
> learned a good deal, specifically about the differences between various 
> types of steel oxidation.
>
> I didn't mean to imply that these pictures are proof that protecting the 
> inside of a bicycle's frame tubes from corrosion is never worthwhile under 
> any circumstances. I don't believe that. That's why I was careful to learn 
> as much of the history of the frame pictured as I could, and to spell it 
> all out in my post. 
>
> Personally, before I cut up this frame I had zero data points. I figure 
> many folks on the forum are in a similar position. Now we have one data 
> point. I hope that's better? And not just enough knowledge to be dangerous.
>
> Myself, I live in the same place this frame was ridden. So the information 
> is especially helpful to me. The question in my mind was whether I should 
> disassemble a bike I bought new for $1,200 just to apply Frame Saver. I 
> don't think I will. On the other hand, next time I take it apart for some 
> other reason I will go ahead and treat it.
>
> For me, protecting the inside of the tubes from rust isn't a "do" or 
> "don't" question. It's a "rush" or "do when convenient" question. 
>
> I figure I can hold off until I wear out the headset and bottom bracket, 
> and do it then. There's so little downside! And I like the idea that others 
> will enjoy these bicycles well past my own time here.
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/01/2018 11:21 PM, Justin, Oakland wrote:


I personally have no use to be united with someone who agrees with the policy 
of committing human rights violations.



+1


There are two main areas of disagreement here: those who disagree with 
overtly political content on a cycling mailing list and so object to 
this thread, and those who support the policy in question and object to 
its being objected to here.  To those in the former camp, I say this: 
it's not a cycling list per se, it's a list about Rivendell and 
historically Grant's writing about a subject /even though it's not 
cycling per se/ has made it within the scope of the list.  Subjects such 
as Paleo diet and hatchets leave no doubt whatever about this in my 
mind.  So if you don't like the topic being discussed here, blame Grant 
or get over it and find a more "pure" list.


As for the other group, those who support policies of committing human 
rights violations and dislike seeing them criticized here, I say this: 
piss off.


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[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree, Ron. I've actually done a bit of metalworking in my day. I would 
say, though, that with reasonable care, and excluding environments that 
continually expose bicycles to dampness and or salty water/humid air, most 
bicycles will not rot out from the inside, at least not for several 
lifetimes. If I am doing a complete rebuild, and the bike is outside, and I 
have a can of Boeshield in my hand, I'm not averse to squeezing off a few 
shots into the bowels of a Reynolds 531. But not a top priority for me.

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:53:42 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>
> The point of corrosion inhibition is stop the process where it's at.  You 
> don't know the history of every frame you buy, but if you use this type of 
> product inside the frame and store it indoors, it will last.  
> If it's actively corroding and you expose it to a continued humid 
> environment, it's going to keep corroding until something breaks.  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[Matt Byam]

Virgil,   My description was very awkward, its an Atlantis painted in the
original Hilborne orange color. It's widely understood that Orange is the
fasted color.  I've run across a black Hilborne parked at the Jazz Kitchen
a couple of times, I haven't been able to track down the owner!  Maybe we
could get together this coming weekend!

matt

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 7:46 PM, Virgil Staphbeard 
wrote:

> Yep I'm in the SoBro Butler area. And Matt, I'm not sure if you were
> saying only Hilborne or only orange Hilborne, but I have a friend in Indy
> that has a black Hilborne.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:
>>
>> Matt and Bob, let's make a plan! Any other Indy rivs out there? Virgil?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 I have a stash off Ibex Duo wool/poly panel shorts  that I cut the pads out 
from. Find them on Ebay.  I have a Kucharik pair bought new without a pad. Also 
have icebreaker bibs with a pad. My favorites are Smartwool Rambition shorts 
though, from which I've also cut the pads out. Just a little elastic mixed in 
with the wool.  Under padless shorts, I wear wicking sports briefs in hot 
weather and wool boxers in cold weather. The Kuchharik kind of sags when wet, 
which I'm not wild about. The Ibex is comfy but needs a wash with every use. 
The all wool Smartwool and Kucharik do not.  If I'm a little saddle tender 
after a long ride, I'll use the padded Icebreakers with Bag Balm as the skin 
glide.

On Sunday, July 1, 2018, 5:58:11 PM CDT, Patrick Moore 
 wrote:  
 
 I have stashed away 3 pairs of Ibex and Kucharik wool shorts for that ever 
elusive >30 mile ride. Meanwhile, I'm happy in boxers and Rapha Randonee shorts 
and, for that matter, in boxers and cut off khakis.
I gave up lycra shorts largely for reasons of comfort, not appearance -- I 
hated the bulky, awkward diapers, the tight clingy fit, and the clamminess when 
you cool down. Worse, for me, than synthetic jerseys.

  

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