[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[PG]

dougP : "... As a bonus, the Matrix has a clever passenger's seat that gets 
out of the so I could carry a 9'6" surfboard inside with the hatch closed. "



Could you squeeze a 9'8' in there, Doug?



  
5:14 PM (5 hours ago) 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[Bill Schairer]

Nissan NV.  Inexpensive, can lock bike to the interior, bike more hidden (I had 
a bike stolen out of a friend’s LOCKED Element).  I can roll my tandem in as 
well.

Bill

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[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[dougP]

"Are you guys saying that those Honda/TOYOta mini vans can do that?"

Yes.  The (not so) mini-vans are quite tall inside, and have a low loading 
height.  For trips, we used to rent Dodge Caravans & take out the 3rd row 
seat.  4 bikes (front wheels removed) and four riders fit comfortably.  I 
tried this a couple of years ago with the Dodge product & it seems to have 
shrunk a bit.  

Just recalled we hauled our tandem in our '99 Honda Odyssey.  3rd seat 
folded into the floor, and the second row seats spaced apart.  The tandem 
fit in between the 2nd row seats but I can't recall if the front wheel 
stayed on or not.  Inclined to think so because it was so easy to do.  
Those vans can haul a LOT of stuff.

dougP

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 8:19:14 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> My 1977 Firebird Trans Am seats any rivbike with front wheel stickin’ its 
> head out da T-top!!! 
> Kidding 
> Actually I didn’t get a 1975 Sting Ray precisely because no Rivbikes could 
> fit. 
> Double kidding!! 
>
> I have a 2006 Camry LE and I can lay a Rivbike in with seats down and 
> front wheel off. 
>
> But for my next car I would  like something I could roll bikes in and out 
> upright and on their feet. 
>
> Are you guys saying that those Honda/TOYOta mini vans can do that?

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[RBW] Re: Aspen Luminaries

[Lum Gim Fong]

Gorgeous pics as always. Sad to see winter returning. I rode alot this summer 
and enjoyed it greatly.  No matter the blistering heat and soaking humidity I 
rode amap to not waste a day cuz I knew I better ride while I can.

Now hernia surgery looms at end of October and  I am not looking forward to 
another winter. Every year I tell myself I will ride through it, but by March 
the winter gloom gets me so down that my riding all but grinds to a halt until 
my mind blooms again when temps rise above 60F.

But I am thankful I live in Maryland only and not North Dakota or something!

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Re: [RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[dstein]

That's the first thing I thought when I saw that. I ride 52-ish cm bikes, 
that looks like a 48. That dude is a giant. Needs a double TT Sam or 
Atlantis. 

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> That frame looks small but mlb.com says he’s 6’3”?? 
>
> Bill

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[RBW] Re: Lights and Tariffs

[Ash]

Another related story I heard on radio today

https://www.marketplace.org/shows/marketplace/09252018

If only the way the global economy works was so straightforward..



On Monday, 24 September 2018 16:33:58 UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Story from today’s All Things Considered on NPR about tariffs and their 
> effect on Light and Motion, a well-known California-based maker of bike and 
> other lights:
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651221317/u-s-tariffs-on-china-may-force-california-company-to-move-production-overseas
>  
>
> Take-home points:
>
> —They make lights here from parts sourced from China and other Asian 
> countries
> —The parts they import are subject to a new tariff, but completed lights 
> (made overseas from the same parts) are not
> —They are considering moving their assembly overseas to avoid the tariffs 
> by assembling the lights there and importing them as complete systems
>
> --Eric N
>

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[RBW] Re: Lights and Tariffs

[sameness]

Not disputing the buying power that international trade often affords us, 
but Busch & Muller products are made in Germany, so they're not really 
impacted by the tariffs referenced in the segment above.

While I have no doubt that at least some of the components that go into 
their lights are produced in China, there's something of a courtship 
happening in EU and Beijing trade relations right now, so B only stands 
to benefit from the current goings on.

(By the by, pretty please don't construe this post as intentionally 
divisive or incendiary, an idle defense of MUSA, or use it as a step stool 
for political OT, this is simply my read on What's Going On Right Now.)

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 8:26:21 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Think outside da box:
>
> bike24 in Germany has great prices on lights +20$ ships to USA.
> B IQX 100lux dyno light is $63 +$20 shipping to me in USA is still  $80 
> cheaper than buying in USA. And I have found them to ship fast and to be 
> reputable.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Mark R.]

I thought I recognized the hubs on the bike in the background of your other 
bike for sale ;0)


Mark Rosenberg
SDCA

lets see pics of the whole Roadeo!

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 12:40:05 AM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> Ooh, ooh, I got one too! :) Found it on local CL, looking for an Atlantis 
> at the time but this came up for a steal of a price, so who could 
> resist? White with blue accents It too has downtube cable stops rather than 
> shifter bosses. I would prefer shifter bosses, but for a bike in my size 
> and decent parts and great price within 20 miles ... Came with Rich built 
> ultegra hubs/open pro rims, 3x 14 g straight gauge spokes. The bike felt 
> dead, not Surly Crosscheck dead but nothing like a Legolas, or my Lemond 
> Zurich or even mid 70s Bob Jackson. The shoes it runs on now are velocity 
> aerohead/dura ace 7x00 (thanks Mark R) with 14-16-14 g spokes, continental 
> 4000 GP extra special wunder bar etc tires. Much more lively ride. Fits 36 
> mm measured tires. Braking by Royal Gran Comp/koolstop.  I removed the 
> bulky ultegra brakes and fugly 4-arm 105 black crank. It sports a Ritchey 
> Logic crank with willow rings (thanks David B). 
>
> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 7:39:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> As I understand it the Roadeo has significantly thinner tubing than the 
>> Romulus and Ram I owned. Noticeable enough that my one very short ride 
>> around the building at RBW told me I was riding a different, whippier, 
>> snappier bike than what I was familiar with. To my mind it was the 
>> difference between a Riv road bike built to a survivable standard under 
>> fairly stout riders, and one with a definite weight limit. Almost a 
>> "production custom", if you will. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[Patrick Moore]

I was once walking home with one of my Riv Roads after a flat, and a woman
in an original issue VW bug stopped and offered a ride. I exclaimed, "I
can't get my bike in there!", meaning her backseat, but she said, "Give it
a try," and so I did -- sure enough, it fit after removing the wheels.
Apparently, she wasn't to concerned about her upholstery.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> My 1977 Firebird Trans Am seats any rivbike with front wheel stickin’ its
> head out da T-top!!!
> Kidding
> Actually I didn’t get a 1975 Sting Ray precisely because no Rivbikes could
> fit.
> Double kidding!!
>
> I have a 2006 Camry LE and I can lay a Rivbike in with seats down and
> front wheel off.
>
> But for my next car I would  like something I could roll bikes in and out
> upright and on their feet.
>
> Are you guys saying that those Honda/TOYOta mini vans can do that?
>
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[RBW] Re: Lights and Tariffs

[Lum Gim Fong]

Think outside da box:

bike24 in Germany has great prices on lights +20$ ships to USA.
B IQX 100lux dyno light is $63 +$20 shipping to me in USA is still  $80 
cheaper than buying in USA. And I have found them to ship fast and to be 
reputable.

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[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[Lum Gim Fong]

My 1977 Firebird Trans Am seats any rivbike with front wheel stickin’ its head 
out da T-top!!!
Kidding
Actually I didn’t get a 1975 Sting Ray precisely because no Rivbikes could fit.
Double kidding!!

I have a 2006 Camry LE and I can lay a Rivbike in with seats down and front 
wheel off.

But for my next car I would  like something I could roll bikes in and out 
upright and on their feet.

Are you guys saying that those Honda/TOYOta mini vans can do that?

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Re: [RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

[Patrick Moore]

Tully: Regarding puncture protection: once again, Orange Seal, with a
couple of spare tubes with sealant for bigger holes that the sealant won't
fix (I carry the extra sealant inside the extra tubes; others carry the
sealant in a bottle).

I ride 559 X 27/29 mm (rims: 19 mm/23 mm exterior width) 178 gram Elk Pass
extralights on firm dirt and gravel here in goatheadland, thanks to
sealants -- these are paper thin tires.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 6:20 PM, Tully Lanter 
wrote:

> ...
>
> Patrick & Patrick - These are 35c Delta Cruisers, so a very supple 38 like
> the Barlow Pass sounds promising if the QB stays with me a while longer.
> Clearance will be tight but I can picture it working. Just mildly concerned
> about puncture protection. It has a 17/19 DOS ENO, by the way. Gear-inches
> fall in the high-50s and mid-60s, if memory serves.
>

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[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[sameness]

My work runabout/whipping post is a 2007 Scion xB. I have yet to find a 
non-tandem that didn't fit flat with the back seats down, and still room 
for groceries plus another odd other largish object or two. Reliable, easy 
to park, fairly zippy, decent on juice, and cheap on the used market.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[Dennis Hogan]

I have a 2005 Toyota Sienna and love it for bike transport (not too happy 
with Toyota recall service though). I often drive sag on local events and 
once was able to fit 2 road bikes and a recumbent along with the three 
riders in the van. No need to take off any wheels. Get decent mileage 
18-24mph and have almost 140,000 miles without any major repairs.

Dennis in PDX

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 4:07:48 PM UTC-7, PG wrote:
>
> Question for the RBW brain trust...
>
> If you were going to buy a vehicle for the primary purpose of transporting 
> a bike -- and I'm only talking about carrying one bike -- what would it be? 
>
> Guidelines:  Under 40Gs, and preferably with the bike carried and lockable 
> inside the vehicle.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Bill Lindsay]

Those people who want to build up a bike with 27.5 x 2.8” tires on rims that 
are lighter than road rims should not buy the Gus Boots Willsen. That’s a fact. 

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Re: [RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

[sameness]

Tully, I had VO fenders over Barlow Passeseses with ample clearance on my 
green QBeam, you've got loads of room to work with.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 6:00:59 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Tully, on my silver (final run) QB, I’ve run 44mm Snowqualme by Compass 
> and that was tight but very doable. I’m pretty sure others on this list of 
> the various runs also run the Barlow Pass (38mm) without issue?
>

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Re: [RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tully, on my silver (final run) QB, I’ve run 44mm Snowqualme by Compass and 
that was tight but very doable. I’m pretty sure others on this list of the 
various runs also run the Barlow Pass (38mm) without issue? Only experience 
will tell you if the ride/flat ratio is acceptable to you, but I’ve been 
impressed with how hearty the tires are (not Marathon Supreme et al hearty 
though).

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

I have a Subaru Crosstrek. It's just big enough to keep my 650B bike inside 
without needing to remove a wheel, but that's definitely not the case with 
my other bikes, especially the Clem -- the front wheel needs to come off 
for that.

My previous car was a 1996 Saab 900 -- I used to put two bikes in (keeping 
all wheels on).

Bob E
Cranford, NJ 

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Re: [RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Ben Miller]

Ash, thanks for the follow-up story. That made my day!

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Re: [RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

[Tully Lanter]

Lum - Yes, indeed we do. The glorious summers and early autumns make all 
the gray, drizzly month a lot easier. Hope you get to ride out here one of 
these days. Sequim is a *really* beautiful place.

Patrick & Patrick - These are 35c Delta Cruisers, so a very supple 38 like 
the Barlow Pass sounds promising if the QB stays with me a while longer. 
Clearance will be tight but I can picture it working. Just mildly concerned 
about puncture protection. It has a 17/19 DOS ENO, by the way. Gear-inches 
fall in the high-50s and mid-60s, if memory serves.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> From the photos, the surfaces and the bike look like very good 
> combination. Do you have the QB set up with a fixed or freewheel cog?
>
> I take it that those tires are 32s?
>
> Around my house, the sand pretty much makes a fixed off road bike 
> impractical, though I do ride my fixed, 559 X ~28 Riv Roads on some of the 
> firmer parts. But 50 mm seems a minimum, and 60 is better. 
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Tully Lanter  > wrote:
>
>> You can't ask for better weather than late September in the Northwest. 
>> Unless warm, dry, and sunny isn't your cup of tea. So, with my Quickbeam 
>> apparently not on the verge of selling, how better to enjoy a beautiful 
>> afternoon than to take it on a longer, gravelly-er ride than usual? 
>>
>> We live near a beautiful path that follows a utilities right-of-way a few 
>> miles before connecting with the similar but far longer Tolt Pipeline 
>> Trail. The road crossings are relatively few but, like most east-west 
>> routes in the Seattle area, the climbs are remarkably steep! 
>>
>> Here are a few hasty photos and notes 
>>  from the ride. 
>>
>> The Quickbeam was a delight, and even more enjoyable than I expected on 
>> this sort of ride. Quite a revelation to enjoy it without my usual 
>> commuting load. The VO Porteur bars--necessary for a comfortable city 
>> riding position--were too relaxed. I found myself mostly on the curves, 
>> wishing for a bit more reach, even though I appreciated their height during 
>> the steep, twisty descents (not pictured since they're not conducive to 
>> stopping mid-way!). I'll revert Noodle bars with a taller stem to try to 
>> split the different. 
>>
>> More tire clearance would have been nice, less for smoothness (not that 
>> I'd object!) than for traction on steep, loose segments. Toe overlap also 
>> becomes a problem during the twistier portions, especially uphill. Removing 
>> the fenders would help, but they're necessary during most of the year here. 
>> All the more so on a bike that serves first and foremost as a commuter. I 
>> haven't yet decided what to replace the Quickbeam with, but does seem like 
>> a longer 650b frame, or even 26" (if available for an ~86cm PBH), would 
>> suit me well.
>>
>> Anyhow, I plan to extend this ride significantly next weekend, and 
>> perhaps catch a few photos of the gorgeous forests a few miles (and a 
>> thousand feet of climbing) past where I ended. Not a bad little corner of 
>> the world!
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[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[dougP]

If you're willing to shop used, take a look at the Toyota Matrix.  I think 
it's been out of production for a while, not sure how long.  It's basically 
a tall Corolla station wagon.  I had a manual & got 35 MPG on the road.  We 
figured out a way to get both our bikes in (my 58 cm touring bike & her 47 
cm same) using furniture pads to separate them.  Did require front wheel 
removal.  As a bonus, the Matrix has a clever passenger's seat that gets 
out of the so I could carry a 9'6" surfboard inside with the hatch closed.  

We currently have a Honda CRV & with some planning we can both bikes in the 
back, upright, with room for luggage.  For a single bike, pretty much any 
hatchback will work.  I carried a bike the back of my 240Z but it require 
removing both wheels, and the bike had no racks, fenders, or other 
accessories.  The car had no back seat.  

dougP

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 4:07:48 PM UTC-7, PG wrote:
>
> Question for the RBW brain trust...
>
> If you were going to buy a vehicle for the primary purpose of transporting 
> a bike -- and I'm only talking about carrying one bike -- what would it be? 
>
> Guidelines:  Under 40Gs, and preferably with the bike carried and lockable 
> inside the vehicle.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul
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[RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[CMR]

I think the Blunt SS is a better comparison, it's a similar width ~25mm 
internal and weighs something ridiculous like 395 grams. A big issue is 
wide rim + braking surface means a heavy enough aluminum to not dent and 
affect braking. Dents in disc rims are not a gigantic issue usually, and 
these lightweight aluminum rims do dent. That said I think the Alex rims 
are definitely heavy, but the Riv crew lean toward to the heavy duty side 
for rims, which has its pros and cons.

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[RBW] Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[Joe Bernard]

Pretty much any SUV, CUV, van or wagon will do. I didn't even go that far, I 
have a 2017 Chevy Impala (the current huge model) with a big trunk, and 
pass-through with the back seats folded forward. It's not convenient enough to 
pop a full-size bike in and out in a hurry every day - I have a Brompton and 
Bike Friday for that - but it's enough for the occasional transport to a nice 
riding spot. Plus nobody is buying cars right now, so GM is practically giving 
the things away. Fast with the V6, reliable, cheap. I love it. 

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[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[lconley]

I had an additional requirement, I had to have room inside to sleep with 
the bike inside, I bought a 2006 Honda Element - 5 speed manual with AWD. I 
call it a TAV - Trailhead Approach Vehicle - I may have stolen that name 
from someone else. Picture is before I took the rear seats out. 

Laing 
Cocoa, FL

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> Question for the RBW brain trust...
>
> If you were going to buy a vehicle for the primary purpose of transporting 
> a bike -- and I'm only talking about carrying one bike -- what would it be? 
>
> Guidelines:  Under 40Gs, and preferably with the bike carried and lockable 
> inside the vehicle.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul
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Re: [RBW] Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/25/2018 07:07 PM, PG wrote:

Question for the RBW brain trust...

If you were going to buy a vehicle for the primary purpose of 
transporting a bike -- and I'm only talking about carrying one bike -- 
what would it be?


Guidelines:  Under 40Gs, and preferably with the bike carried and 
lockable inside the vehicle.




Exactly my need.  I bought a 2017 VW Golf Alltrack.   The front wheel 
drive Golf Sportwagen has exactly the same amount of space inside.


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Re: [RBW] Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bought my Honda Element for precisely this reason. Bikes roll into the back 
with the wheels on. No disassembly at all. Carries a bunch of stuff, durable 
and very dependable.

Unfortunately, Honda stopped making them a few years ago. But … they made a lot 
of them, so you should be able to find one used. They all look pretty much the 
same; the later models had some minor exterior changes that included a switch 
to having the entire vehicle painted in the same color. 

I’m planning to hold onto mine until gas goes out of style.

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> On Sep 25, 2018, at 4:07 PM, PG <4thgearfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Question for the RBW brain trust...
> 
> If you were going to buy a vehicle for the primary purpose of transporting a 
> bike -- and I'm only talking about carrying one bike -- what would it be? 
> 
> Guidelines:  Under 40Gs, and preferably with the bike carried and lockable 
> inside the vehicle.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Paul
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[RBW] Re: Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[Bill Lindsay]

I do that with a Honda Odyssey.  If I'm carrying one bike, it goes inside.  
If I'm carrying more bikes, I have a trailer hitch rack as well.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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>
> Question for the RBW brain trust...
>
> If you were going to buy a vehicle for the primary purpose of transporting 
> a bike -- and I'm only talking about carrying one bike -- what would it be? 
>
> Guidelines:  Under 40Gs, and preferably with the bike carried and lockable 
> inside the vehicle.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul
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[RBW] Recomendations For Cycling-Specific Vehicle

[PG]

Question for the RBW brain trust...

If you were going to buy a vehicle for the primary purpose of transporting 
a bike -- and I'm only talking about carrying one bike -- what would it be? 

Guidelines:  Under 40Gs, and preferably with the bike carried and lockable 
inside the vehicle.

Thanks!

Paul

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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Bill Lindsay]

The Velocity Blunt is regarded as the light wide 27.5" disc rim, and it 
weighs 570g and costs $100 per hoop
The DM24 is a hefty 725g for a 622mm size.  Scaled down to 584, that would 
be around 680g.  Riv sells those hoops for $50 each (I emailed Rich and 
asked). 

So for a rim-brake rim that weighs 100g more than a light disc brake rim, 
and costs $50 less per hoop.  That's in the ball park of reasonable, isn't 
it?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 2:21:53 PM UTC-7, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> 725 grams (not clear which size that is on the Luna eBike site) 
> Wow! That's hefty!
>
> David
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:36:35 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> Via the g00gle search for " Alex DM24 rim 700c "  :)
>>
>> https://lunacycle.com/alex-ebike-rim-dm24/
>>
>> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:22:19 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Well for one, the question posed earlier was where does one find wide, 
>>> rim-braked rims.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Joe Bernard]

Ahh, I don't do hangovers anymore, but I remember those rides. You go faster 
trying to get away from it!

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill said: “The Leo goes faster when I pedal harder.“

Sweet! How can I get that feature on my bikes? Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[Bill Lindsay]

I rode my Leo on a 50 miler this morning.  I 'hammered' a standard roadie 
time trial section on San Pablo Dam Road.  The Strava segments are all 
labeled "SPDR" which looks like "speeder".  Anyway, I'm used to getting 
nowhere near the times of the local elite-level roadies on their $15000 
machines.  If I'm in the top 20% on flattish segments and in the top 10% on 
climbs, I think that's pretty good, given that I turn 50 in a couple 
months, and given that my bike typically weighs 25-30 pounds with stuff. I 
set 6 PRs this morning along that section, and it's the 28th time I've 
passed through there on Strava.  #1235 out of 6877 riders.  I can live with 
that.  The Leo goes faster when I pedal harder.  Most of the previous 27 
times I rode through there I was not riding on Leo. So is Leo the fastest 
road bike I've ever ridden? The data suggests it's possible. Did I just 
ride harder today? Maybe. I promise I was not at my most fit. I also was a 
little bit hungover, but that's another story.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 8:22:33 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Short answer:
>
> I like my Roadini very much.  
>
> This should be a link to my build-photo:  FLICKR LINK 
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> 57cm Grilver Leo
> 75.5cm Saddle Height
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:59:52 PM UTC-7, Jonathan K. wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to convince myself that I do/don't need a Roadini. I have a 
>> Sam that I bought to be my road bike, but it's been gradually taking on 
>> more of a beast of burden role. Originally quite minimalist, I am now 
>> running racks and bags fore and aft for commuting. So, I'd like to get a 
>> bike to fill the role of lightweight, long distance, weekend rider.
>>
>> The Roadini has been out for a while now, and there seems to be a fair 
>> amount of them out in the world. So, for anyone who has been riding their 
>> Roadini for a while, how do you like it? I'm interested in thoughts, 
>> impressions, reviews, comparisons to other road bikes, etc. Would you 
>> recommend one over other bikes to someone who wants a simple road bike for 
>> (relatively) fast long distance riding? Pictures are encouraged, of course!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[George Schick]

Come to think of it, I frequent a Chicago area cycling blog that features 
many horror stories that commuters in the city post about the outright 
hostility they encounter while commuting in the city.  Many of those who 
are the worst offenders (according to the blog posts) are older people who 
have and "attitude" against bikes being anywhere on streets.  Yet, many of 
those same old codgers are dyed-in-the-wool Cub fans and have been for 
years.  Since this business of Zoborist getting around town has been more 
or less featured by the local media, I wonder what some of those same 
people think about one of the team's best player getting around town on a 
bike.  The irony is as thick as the fog on some of these Fall mornings 
along the lakeshore

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 11:08:12 AM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Agree with Kevin.  Driving around there or parking on game days is a 
> lesson in futility.  He consistently rides and its no PR stunt.  Always 
> wears his black PF Flyers “The Sandlot” style.

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[RBW] Re:

[Philip Williamson]

Do you mean this Bicycle Times magazine that looks fully 
operational? https://bicycletimesmag.com/ 

As far as niches, I agree with Eric - we've pretty much won. As in so many 
aspects of modern life, the weirdos and nerds have taken over the bike 
culture. Grant doing something about the problem made that problem go away. 
He wasn't the only one, but he was very persuasive. QBP probably did the 
most to democratize weird bikes by doing production runs of things that 
appealed to a couple of their staffers.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 5:36:27 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I agree that is a refreshing take, but I think I missed the crux of the 
> article.  "Why (from the industry's standpoint) are outliers the ones they 
> need the most?" Did they answer that?
>
> I can't help but think that economic needs are different than values 
> needs.   It reminds me of that Bicycle Times magazine that was designed to 
> appeal to practical riders, but fizzled out fairly quickly.
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 6:00:03 PM UTC-6, Curtis wrote:
>>
>> Hello Group,
>>
>> I found this refreshingly interesting.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bicycling.com/culture/amp22824169/the-riders-who-dont-fit-in-are-the-ones-we-need-most/
>>
>> Curtis "who feels like he fits in here"
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New "Hill" Bike is Posted

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

725 grams (not clear which size that is on the Luna eBike site) 
Wow! That's hefty!

David

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:36:35 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
> Via the g00gle search for " Alex DM24 rim 700c "  :)
>
> https://lunacycle.com/alex-ebike-rim-dm24/
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 4:22:19 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>
>> Well for one, the question posed earlier was where does one find wide, 
>> rim-braked rims.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[dan boyle]

I have Joe A that I set up with racks, dyno lights, fenders and it is my 
commuter bike. Loved it from day one. I ride it 5 or 6 days a week.  I had 
a Trek Domane 2.0 that I used for weekend speedy rides. It felt a little 
small, and compared to my Joe A it was obviously not nearly as comfortable, 
but it was light and fast and I liked that part.  I was deciding between a 
road-build Sam or a Roadini. 

Will told me the Sam was pretty close to my Joe A,  and might not be 
"different" enough to feel like a different ride.  He was right.  My 
Roadini arrived several weeks ago. It is exactly what I wanted it to be, no 
extra stuff bolted on, just their recommended wheels and brifters with a 
3x10 setup  Light, comfortable and fast.  My Trek and Joe are 58's, My 
Roadini is a 61.  I ride it every chance I get.  I would get it again in a 
second...it is perfect.  The Trek is up for sale, never to be ridden 
again.  The Roadini is just too smooth, comfortable and fast (enough for 
me). 

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 6:59:52 PM UTC-7, Jonathan K. wrote:
>
> I'm trying to convince myself that I do/don't need a Roadini. I have a Sam 
> that I bought to be my road bike, but it's been gradually taking on more of 
> a beast of burden role. Originally quite minimalist, I am now running racks 
> and bags fore and aft for commuting. So, I'd like to get a bike to fill the 
> role of lightweight, long distance, weekend rider.
>
> The Roadini has been out for a while now, and there seems to be a fair 
> amount of them out in the world. So, for anyone who has been riding their 
> Roadini for a while, how do you like it? I'm interested in thoughts, 
> impressions, reviews, comparisons to other road bikes, etc. Would you 
> recommend one over other bikes to someone who wants a simple road bike for 
> (relatively) fast long distance riding? Pictures are encouraged, of course!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Bill Schairer]

That frame looks small but mlb.com says he’s 6’3”??

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Strange experience on bike trail

[masmojo]

I get a variety of different responses depending on which bike I am riding; 
most non-cyclists just smile at me on my very non-traditional bikes.
When I encounter other cyclists on "nice" bikes it generally breaks down in one 
of two camps  the people who give you a heads up "on the left" or whatever tend 
to also recognize what it is I am riding & will follow with "nice bike" or "is 
that a Rivendell?" The other batch are  the lycra wearing, carbon fiber riding, 
workout enthusiasts who are trying to break their KoM. They rarely say 
anything, buzz by as fast as they can and only  recognize or acknowledge other 
bikes similar to theirs. It really doesn't matter that many times my bike cost 
twice as much as theirs, it's just sort of a myopic view of the bike world & 
bikes as exercise equipment/ with social cachet. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes, Doug, I only meant that this discussion group is not a direct line to RBW, 
and that any message to them should go directly to them. They obviously read 
SOME posts here, but they don’t host or moderate this group.

Eamon

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Re: [RBW] Re:

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

iamkeith, my logic (such as it is) is this: if the big boys through their 
marketing and educational might into everyday, practical riding, that market 
would grow, thus the demand for cycling infrastructure would grow (it already 
is in a number of places, so some seem on a tipping point. Salida, CO is one 
example). You are spot on, we have a wondrous assortment of practical bikes in 
the niche markets and what a blessing that is!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Film photography - subject matter?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Got some new photos back from the lab today. Here’s a cycling-related example:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoKRvbOjf54/ 
 

I could have easily gotten the same basic shot with a digital camera (or my 
iPhone, even), but taking it with an old manual film camera makes it more fun. 

--Eric Norris
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> On Sep 25, 2018, at 7:04 AM, John Philip  wrote:
> 
> I shoot mostly digital these days and nearly always have a camera with me.  
> Sometimes offhand shots -- even when the photographer fails to set up the 
> camera correctly or just plain bumbles it -- can result in some interesting 
> results. I think Steve is at least one of these.
> 
> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:41:14 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
> I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant writes about and shoots 
> analog film.
> My question isn't about gear (no surprise if it goes there, though), it's 
> about subject matter. I have cameras, and film, and some okay ways to carry 
> them on the bike (suggestions there couldn't hurt).  
> 
> What I'm looking for is inspiration as I build myself a rule-set for a film 
> photography project. On my morning commutes, I've been keeping my eye out for 
> "what would I shoot if I were shooting film" moments. 
> 
> 1. What do you film photographers shoot when you shoot film? Do you approach 
> it differently than phone camera or digital shooting?
> 2. Do you cycle to shoot, or is it a wholly unrelated hobby? 
> 3. Anybody shoot color? I want to do this now, since a friend develops color 
> at home using a sous vide (cooking) setup to control temps.
> 
> Please link to your images, if you care to share. I'd really like to see what 
> the film folk are doing.
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[RBW] Re: Lights and Tariffs

[Jock Dewey]

Another casualty among so so many these past 18 months. I have good 
industry pals who worked very hard to make that company what it is. Or 
maybe now, was.

We are the walking / cycling wounded. A good long hard fast ride helps 
control the angst, however. 

So that is what we do.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA





On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 7:33:58 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Story from today’s All Things Considered on NPR about tariffs and their 
> effect on Light and Motion, a well-known California-based maker of bike and 
> other lights:
>
>
> https://www.npr.org/2018/09/24/651221317/u-s-tariffs-on-china-may-force-california-company-to-move-production-overseas
>  
>
> Take-home points:
>
> —They make lights here from parts sourced from China and other Asian 
> countries
> —The parts they import are subject to a new tariff, but completed lights 
> (made overseas from the same parts) are not
> —They are considering moving their assembly overseas to avoid the tariffs 
> by assembling the lights there and importing them as complete systems
>
> --Eric N
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Re: [RBW] Re:

[masmojo]

@ my local shop these types of riders are their bread & butter! They account 
for at least 5 flat fixes a day, brake pads, seats . . . . Basically,  all the 
stuff that rarely wears out on my bikes, because I have too many.
The article doesn't say the "Industry" needs this type of rider it says "we" 
need this type of rider. Like the subject in this article, most of the people I 
encounter riding bikes for transportation CAN'T get a driver's license; for 
that reason I admire their independent spirit, because they could just as 
easily, be calling the local metro to have a short bus come pick them up & 
drive them around. Instead they take control of their situation. Respect!

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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[John G.]

YES! Bummed I won't be back in my hometown for this ride.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 10:01:04 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> [image: 671-1075.jpg]
>
>
> She's a beaut, no?
>
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 10:13:30 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>> It's officialthere's gonna be a patch.
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Re: [RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Ash]

Here's another picture

https://twitter.com/benzobrist18/status/790340787015942144




On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 10:53:20 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
>
> He's wearing the perfect cycling pants, too.
>>
>
> Good one Patrick!!
>
> Looking at the build details, I think that either he has read/met Grant or 
> whoever built this bike has.
>
> @Ben Miller: thanks for the link! It came very handy.  I have a situation 
> with my 7 year old and our biking activities.  The other day during a 
> somewhat long ride, when he was a bit tired, he said that only poor people 
> ride bikes and he'd rather be in a car :)  Of I did the dad talk: being 
> outside is fun, the breeze, the sun, people we meet on trails, the 
> environment, workout, getting stronger.. blah blah blah.  After I showed 
> this picture and said look a millionaire is riding a bike.  And that bike 
> even looks almost like ours!  That got him thinking..
>
>
> On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 10:19:55 UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> He's wearing the perfect cycling pants, too.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:51 PM, Ben Miller  wrote:
>>
>>> Ben Zoborist, one of the best players in baseball, rides a classic 
>>> looking steel-framed, fendered, and light-mounted bike to baseball games. 
>>> Also features sweptback bars and upright position. Note lack of helmet, 
>>> only baseball cap. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.mlb.com/cut4/ben-zobrist-rides-bike-around-chicago-to-wrigley-field/c-294846296
>>>
>>> Maybe he's read some of Grant's literature? Great a multi-millioniare 
>>> sports icon ride a bike to a game instead of being driven in a Bentley. I 
>>> know LeBron said some excellent things about bikes and rides alot too. 
>>> Bonus that both of them take a "Just Ride" mentality to it and not 
>>> suggesting that you need carbon/Lycra to ride a bike. Hopefully it inspires!
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Re: [RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Ash]

> He's wearing the perfect cycling pants, too.
>

Good one Patrick!!

Looking at the build details, I think that either he has read/met Grant or 
whoever built this bike has.

@Ben Miller: thanks for the link! It came very handy.  I have a situation 
with my 7 year old and our biking activities.  The other day during a 
somewhat long ride, when he was a bit tired, he said that only poor people 
ride bikes and he'd rather be in a car :)  Of I did the dad talk: being 
outside is fun, the breeze, the sun, people we meet on trails, the 
environment, workout, getting stronger.. blah blah blah.  After I showed 
this picture and said look a millionaire is riding a bike.  And that bike 
even looks almost like ours!  That got him thinking..


On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 10:19:55 UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> He's wearing the perfect cycling pants, too.
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:51 PM, Ben Miller  > wrote:
>
>> Ben Zoborist, one of the best players in baseball, rides a classic 
>> looking steel-framed, fendered, and light-mounted bike to baseball games. 
>> Also features sweptback bars and upright position. Note lack of helmet, 
>> only baseball cap. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.mlb.com/cut4/ben-zobrist-rides-bike-around-chicago-to-wrigley-field/c-294846296
>>
>> Maybe he's read some of Grant's literature? Great a multi-millioniare 
>> sports icon ride a bike to a game instead of being driven in a Bentley. I 
>> know LeBron said some excellent things about bikes and rides alot too. 
>> Bonus that both of them take a "Just Ride" mentality to it and not 
>> suggesting that you need carbon/Lycra to ride a bike. Hopefully it inspires!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Ash]

Later I sent another email pressing for an ETA.  I got a quick/reasonable 
reply.  It said they will ship this week.  

If it takes another 8 weeks I'll still hold off talking to the credit card 
bank, as long as I have communication from SR.  The reason I placed this 
order in the first place was to support something good like this taking 
place in the African continent. Having run a small business for a short 
time in past life, I can relate to the struggle they might be going 
through.  Having initial success is hard. Scaling the business is a lot 
harder.  Intention vs ability.. if it is the later, I have tremendous 
patience.  If I ever smell the other, as John Dryden said "Beware the fury 
of a patient man"!

All said and done, if the shoe turns out to be of decent quality, I'll 
certain to keep SoleRebels in my (very short) list of shoe brand for future 
needs.  What I want to order for my wife in already in the shopping cart at 
SR.  It is a rather nice one!





On Thursday, 20 September 2018 14:28:17 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> Finally heard back.  They said it will ship 'soon', but no ETA in the 
> email.  I'm in no rush.  Glad that they replied back.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:00:38 UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Have you emailed them and asked for an update?
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Patrick Moore]

He's wearing the perfect cycling pants, too.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 10:51 PM, Ben Miller  wrote:

> Ben Zoborist, one of the best players in baseball, rides a classic looking
> steel-framed, fendered, and light-mounted bike to baseball games. Also
> features sweptback bars and upright position. Note lack of helmet, only
> baseball cap.
>
> https://www.mlb.com/cut4/ben-zobrist-rides-bike-around-
> chicago-to-wrigley-field/c-294846296
>
> Maybe he's read some of Grant's literature? Great a multi-millioniare
> sports icon ride a bike to a game instead of being driven in a Bentley. I
> know LeBron said some excellent things about bikes and rides alot too.
> Bonus that both of them take a "Just Ride" mentality to it and not
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Re: [RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

[Patrick Moore]

>From the photos, the surfaces and the bike look like very good combination.
Do you have the QB set up with a fixed or freewheel cog?

I take it that those tires are 32s?

Around my house, the sand pretty much makes a fixed off road bike
impractical, though I do ride my fixed, 559 X ~28 Riv Roads on some of the
firmer parts. But 50 mm seems a minimum, and 60 is better.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 9:31 PM, Tully Lanter 
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> You can't ask for better weather than late September in the Northwest.
> Unless warm, dry, and sunny isn't your cup of tea. So, with my Quickbeam
> apparently not on the verge of selling, how better to enjoy a beautiful
> afternoon than to take it on a longer, gravelly-er ride than usual?
>
> We live near a beautiful path that follows a utilities right-of-way a few
> miles before connecting with the similar but far longer Tolt Pipeline
> Trail. The road crossings are relatively few but, like most east-west
> routes in the Seattle area, the climbs are remarkably steep!
>
> Here are a few hasty photos and notes
>  from the ride.
>
> The Quickbeam was a delight, and even more enjoyable than I expected on
> this sort of ride. Quite a revelation to enjoy it without my usual
> commuting load. The VO Porteur bars--necessary for a comfortable city
> riding position--were too relaxed. I found myself mostly on the curves,
> wishing for a bit more reach, even though I appreciated their height during
> the steep, twisty descents (not pictured since they're not conducive to
> stopping mid-way!). I'll revert Noodle bars with a taller stem to try to
> split the different.
>
> More tire clearance would have been nice, less for smoothness (not that
> I'd object!) than for traction on steep, loose segments. Toe overlap also
> becomes a problem during the twistier portions, especially uphill. Removing
> the fenders would help, but they're necessary during most of the year here.
> All the more so on a bike that serves first and foremost as a commuter. I
> haven't yet decided what to replace the Quickbeam with, but does seem like
> a longer 650b frame, or even 26" (if available for an ~86cm PBH), would
> suit me well.
>
> Anyhow, I plan to extend this ride significantly next weekend, and perhaps
> catch a few photos of the gorgeous forests a few miles (and a thousand feet
> of climbing) past where I ended. Not a bad little corner of the world!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Doug H.]

My apologies Eamon. I misunderstood that you probably meant for me to call Riv. 
That’s good advice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Doug Hansford]

Eamon,
Grant introduced us to the company so I simply ask about his experience. If you 
are the gatekeeper to this group I wasn’t told. I’ll dismiss your advice. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Doug, this group is about Rivendell bikes, but not run by them. Try emailing or 
calling them.

Eamon

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[RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Fantastic, Tully! The Quickbeam is great for all kinds of riding! To traction, 
I was amazed how much more I got with supple tires, Compass Barlow Pass are a 
great fit  with fenders on the QB.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] RE: Marks Rack/ M32

[Joe Bernard]

This is your third thread for the same sale. The trick is to stay with one 
thread until it ends with everything sold. What you have now is people are 
going to see an old thread and assume the stuff is still available. 

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[RBW] Re: Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Dave Grossman]

Agree with Kevin.  Driving around there or parking on game days is a lesson in 
futility.  He consistently rides and its no PR stunt.  Always wears his black 
PF Flyers “The Sandlot” style.

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[RBW] RE: Marks Rack/ M32

[Mike Williams]

Racks have sold.   
Still have a Makeshifter Outback Saddlebag -$175 shipped
And 2 Velo Orange Grand Cru setback seatposts:   $20shipped each

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[RBW] Re: Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Kevin Mulcahy]

If you saw the traffic around Wrigley Field on game day this would make 
total sense. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadini - How do you like yours?

[tc]

Jonathan, in the pics I posted, saddle Ht Is 30.25” or 76.8cm. Since riding and 
getting adjusted to the bike I’ve  since raised it a tad to 31” / 78.7cm. I 
have a 90.5 PBH 
and am 6’ - 0.5” tall. 

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Film photography - subject matter?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/25/2018 10:04 AM, John Philip wrote:
I shoot mostly digital these days and nearly always have a camera with 
me.  Sometimes offhand shots -- even when the photographer fails to 
set up the camera correctly or just plain bumbles it -- can result in 
some interesting results. I think Steve is at least one of these.


Yes, I had a lot of fun playing with that image (the one in color) taken 
on our Delaware Water Gap trip.  Pretty sure that's me in one of the b 
as well (white wool jersey with black stripe, riding my Kogswell P/R) 
but I sure don't remember it snowing during that trip!   Interesting 
results indeed -- they really capture the feeling of riding in that group.





On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 12:41:14 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson 
wrote:


I marked this OT, but changed my mind, since Grant writes about
and shoots analog film.
My question isn't about gear (no surprise if it goes there,
though), it's about subject matter. I have cameras, and film, and
some okay ways to carry them on the bike (suggestions there
couldn't hurt).

What I'm looking for is inspiration as I build myself a rule-set
for a film photography project. On my morning commutes, I've been
keeping my eye out for "what would I shoot if I were shooting
film" moments.

1. What do you film photographers shoot when you shoot film? Do
you approach it differently than phone camera or digital shooting?
2. Do you cycle to shoot, or is it a wholly unrelated hobby?
3. Anybody shoot color? I want to do this now, since a friend
develops color at home using a sous vide (cooking) setup to
control temps.

Please link to your images, if you care to share. I'd really like
to see what the film folk are doing.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Doug H.]

This is a request for Grant to follow up his Blahg post about the status of his 
order. We need to know if this is a legitimate company. The products seem 
wonderful and many folks like to support emerging markets but only if the 
business is above board. Thanks. 
Doug

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[RBW] Re: Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[George Schick]

Yeah, this was mentioned by the radio sportscaster while I was listening to 
the Cubs game the other day.  My understanding is that he's a pretty down 
to earth kind of guy.  His wife goes around the metro area giving talks to 
various organizations, as well.


On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 11:51:46 PM UTC-5, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Ben Zoborist, one of the best players in baseball, rides a classic looking 
> steel-framed, fendered, and light-mounted bike to baseball games. Also 
> features sweptback bars and upright position. Note lack of helmet, only 
> baseball cap. 
>
>
> https://www.mlb.com/cut4/ben-zobrist-rides-bike-around-chicago-to-wrigley-field/c-294846296
>
> Maybe he's read some of Grant's literature? Great a multi-millioniare 
> sports icon ride a bike to a game instead of being driven in a Bentley. I 
> know LeBron said some excellent things about bikes and rides alot too. 
> Bonus that both of them take a "Just Ride" mentality to it and not 
> suggesting that you need carbon/Lycra to ride a bike. Hopefully it inspires!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[phil k]

That's awesome. Alfred Morris rode his bike into work every morning. He had 
a aluminum entry level road bike though.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:51:46 AM UTC-4, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Ben Zoborist, one of the best players in baseball, rides a classic looking 
> steel-framed, fendered, and light-mounted bike to baseball games. Also 
> features sweptback bars and upright position. Note lack of helmet, only 
> baseball cap. 
>
>
> https://www.mlb.com/cut4/ben-zobrist-rides-bike-around-chicago-to-wrigley-field/c-294846296
>
> Maybe he's read some of Grant's literature? Great a multi-millioniare 
> sports icon ride a bike to a game instead of being driven in a Bentley. I 
> know LeBron said some excellent things about bikes and rides alot too. 
> Bonus that both of them take a "Just Ride" mentality to it and not 
> suggesting that you need carbon/Lycra to ride a bike. Hopefully it inspires!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Marks Hub Area rack (no loop) and olive green HAR bags

[phil k]

Price drop $235 shipped.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 8:13:13 PM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> Hello, 
>
> Selling marks Hub area rack and corresponding bags in olive green. 
>
> I bought from fellow Lister for my commute. However, I decided to rent a 
> locker at my office to store my work clothes so I haven't been able to use 
> it. It's in very good condition.
>
> Selling what I paid for it - $250 shipped.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil in Arlington, VA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Quick response from SoleRebels shoes.

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immediately. *My sincerest apologies for the added delay.*

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Re: [RBW] Re:

[Steve Palincsar]

On 09/25/2018 08:28 AM, Tom Wyland wrote:
What we are lacking is people feeling the need to bike 3 blocks to the 
grocery store instead of driving. 


Honestly, how many people live within 3 blocks of a grocery store? How 
many even live within 3 miles of a grocery store?  When you get to the 
grocery store, is there a place you can secure your bike while you 
shop?  And how much of a week's shopping can you realistically carry on 
a bicycle?


These are not academic questions for me.  Back in 2009, I got this 
Kogswell P/R which I set up as a porteur.  At the time, there was a 
small supermarket a half mile from where I live.  There was also a drug 
store in the mall.  I found I could successfully carry two shopping bags 
of groceries on the porteur rack, as long as they weren't all cans or 
Gatorade bottles.   The supermarket had a solid structure you could lock 
to, although the "bike rack" at the drug store is about as poor a rack 
as you can find - room only for 2 bikes, no way to secure anything but 
the front wheel, etc.  I could take neighborhood streets to get there, 
no crossing main thoroughfares, and the store was small enough you could 
do a pick-up shop quickly.




And then the supermarket closed, and moved a couple of miles north on Rt 
1.  The new store has no place to park a bike, and it's huge. It'll take 
you several minutes just to walk around the perimeter, and a pick-up 
shop is not worth contemplating: it simply takes too long, even if 
you're driving.  It feels like it's only worthwhile making the trip if 
you're doing a week's worth of shopping.  For me, that's at least six 
shopping bags, most likely 100 pounds, and it's at minimum an hour's 
trip to and fro and time in the store.  None of that is practical by bike.


I'm seriously considering selling the bike.

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[RBW] Re:

[Tom Wyland]

I used to contribute to the blog Bikes For the Rest of Us 
 because there just were not many 
"practical" bikes out there back then. I got involved because I was doing 
my own search for a bike that would take wide tires, fenders, racks and 
lights. Now it seems like bikes like these are everywhere, and that's a 
good thing.

What we are lacking is people feeling the need to bike 3 blocks to the 
grocery store instead of driving.  Or it's focusing on the instagram 
instead of the journey.  Or biking as a sport instead of something you do 
with friends and family.

This type of "everyday" biking in the US would be helped immensely by 
investment in biking infrastructure. $5 per gallon gas would not hurt 
either. There is a perception that biking is for the fringe or a toy for 
the wealthy and spending on infrastructure is treated accordingly.

If everyone knew how *fun* it is to ride one of these practical bikes, 
everyone would be doing it!


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[RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

['thalasin' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I saw on Instagram that the bike is a custom from Heritage Bikes in Chicago. 

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[RBW] Re:

[ascpgh]

What's good for and industry dependents who you ask. A healthy business 
navigates its ups and downs, I worry that growth phases in bicycling 
attracts the corporate pirates who bet short, capitalize stock with sketchy 
commercial paper and make their exit before this house of cards falls. The 
rewards in their communities is unrelated to the subject matter of their 
industry, except that money is good, more is better. 

If a corporate maven answers the question, it might depend on the business 
school they went to. Sales volume and buzz supporting surges of growth come 
up. Ask a modern day Velocio and their answer may involve growth of numbers 
riders who integrate bicycling into their lives and pursue the extent of 
its contributions. Is a local event to reinforce the bicycling and 
associated community of like minded or an opportunity to expand market 
exposure of promoted products for purchase? 

I agree that we are in a nice epoch of cycling. I can find parts for my 
current riding equipment needs and anticipate future ones without hoarding 
for when things cool down in the industry. What I get from cycling isn't 
for sale at the LBS, Rivendell, Compass or PJW. I would say the same thing 
about photography if I was deeply into it, newer, better cameras will 
always be out there yet I could take wonderful pictures with my little 
compact Rollei 35 SE. It was being where I wanted to photograph something 
or taking the time to see them. Not too unlike my bike riding. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 10:57:00 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> The bike industry doesn't need more Jays.  They tend to buy one bike & use 
> it for everything.  What the bike industry wants is more riders who'll buy 
> more specialized bikes until they have their garage or basement full of 
> racing, MTB, touring, & maybe a practical bike or two.  When I bought a MTB 
> in 1990, they were all quite similar, regardless of mfg.  Last year I 
> bought a new one & was overwhelmed with choices, so much so that I enlisted 
> help from friends who keep up with that scene.  Fortunately they guided me 
> to something useful that served my fairly undemanding needs and didn't cost 
> a fortune.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 5:00:03 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>>
>> Hello Group,
>>
>> I found this refreshingly interesting.
>>
>>
>> https://www.bicycling.com/culture/amp22824169/the-riders-who-dont-fit-in-are-the-ones-we-need-most/
>>
>> Curtis "who feels like he fits in here"
>>
>

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[RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

[Lum Gim Fong]

Forgot to mention that I was out in the Squim Bay area recently and really 
enjoyed the remoteness of the country roads. Too bad I wasn’t riding.
Lotsa in-law relatives on west coast. Too bad I never lived out there to enjoy 
the milder year round weather than we get here on the east coast. B! 
Gettin’ chilly here now!

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[RBW] A gravel jaunt on the Quickbeam

[Lum Gim Fong]

You guys in PacNoWe have some nice year round riding!!!

Sounds like you really enjoy your Qbeam!!

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[RBW] Re: New Roadeo (to me)

[Lum Gim Fong]

Ha!
After I typed that, I was thinking, had I bought the Roadeo first, I probably 
would have bought the others anyway because I would have then wanted to try 
loaded 42x650b riding!!!
Either way, you wind up being a multi-riv owner at some point!!
The beauty of it is that RBW makes so many models/options to try for all kinds 
of riding!

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[RBW] Millionaire baseball player rides classic bike

[Roger]

Ben Zobrist was the A’s Greek God of Walks!

RBWHQ is pretty much on the commute from Danville, where a lot of ball payers 
have chosen to live, and the Colisseum. Maybe he stopped by when he was a 
local...

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