[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Adam Leibow]

hi bill, sunrace makes the 11-50 twelve speed cassette that fits on a 
standard 10/11s sram/shimano freehub body. this is what i have. you can 
find the mini-group on ebay for just under $300 for the shifter, derailer, 
chain, & sunrace cassette package. i try not to buy new bicycle components 
from ebay, but i caved for this deal. this is the cheapest i could find it: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sram-GX-Eagle-Group-SunRace-11-50-Cassette-12-Speed-Kit-Trigger-Derailleur-Chain/291089084796?hash=item43c642f17c:g:Uo8AAOSwOhda82Bq:rk:3:pf:0

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 8:51:19 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Adam Leibow indicates he will run GX Eagle on his Clem 
>
> In order to run the 10-50 cassette you need the XD driver on the rear hub. 
> Is that driver available on a 135mm we rear hub?  Is it available on a 
> 135mm QR non-disc rear hub?  Or will you be running a Shimano compatible 
> 11-50 eagle cassette?   
>
> 🦅 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Kickstand tire rub

[Dave Redmon]

My wife has a 52cm Clem L with Riv's stock silver kickstand, curved with a 
black plastic bottom. How is its length adjustable?

Dave in Kansas

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[RBW] Re: Comments on 1x12'd MIT Atlanti Or Other Riv's?

[Bill Lindsay]

Adam Leibow indicates he will run GX Eagle on his Clem

In order to run the 10-50 cassette you need the XD driver on the rear hub. Is 
that driver available on a 135mm we rear hub?  Is it available on a 135mm QR 
non-disc rear hub?  Or will you be running a Shimano compatible 11-50 eagle 
cassette?  

🦅 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini handlebar ideas

[tc]

Jim, 
Before the Wavie I had a 610 Ahearne+Map bar on the Atlantis. I’m using the 
same stem, which has a 11cm reach I’m pretty sure. 

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Joe Bernard]

I don't know how it got continued. When I look at the forum on the Google 
Groups website I see the original thread locked, then there's this new one with 
"Re:" in front of the title. 

Bottom line is Jim made it clear he doesn't want to do this again two months 
after the thread had died out. It started as a link to an extremely contentious 
thread on another site which I'm still battling. We need to be done with it on 
this side. 

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[RBW] SE Rivendell 25th Anniversary Celebration May 3/4/5 Greenville SC

[mcburnjow]

The main events will be on Saturday but we thought we’d offer a pre- and post 
on Friday and Sunday for those who want to make a weekend of it. The ride on 
Saturday heads north of Greenville on the popular Swamp Rabbit Trail about 10 
miles to the village of Travelers Rest. From TR we access rolling low traffic 
roads into northern Greenville County for about a 20 mile loop returning to the 
SRT past Paris Mt and through the campus of Furman University. 

Here’s a link to some visuals about Greenville SC on the Matador Network, a SF 
based adventure travel site. 

https://matadornetwork.com/destinations/north-america/united-states/greenville-sc/

The first video highlights some of the high points of the day. 

We are glad to offer tips and advice on housing etc for folks coming from a 
distance. 

Go to :
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/se-riv-ride

And sign up to be a part of the discussion. 

John and Todd






On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 8:27 PM Karl  wrote:
I’d love to hear more as this is close enough to drive from Nashville!

Karl
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

[John Bokman]

Thanks Jamison for that.

I am currently thinking thusly:
56, 560B
drop bars (likely Nitto RM 13, Nitto 132 or 135, or my usual Nitto Noodle - 
maybe 46 this time from my usual 44).
V-brakes with dedicated V-drop levers from Tektro. (I live where it rains a 
lot and like the power of Vs, although I also like Cantis for superior 
modulation and feel).
Fenders.
Possibly front platform rack, but certainly transfer my low riders over 
from the Sam (Tubus Tara).
Transfer Tubus Logo Evo from Sam to the rear of Atlantis.
Probably 45-50mm tires.
Sugino Wide/Low double.
Of course I'd run a dynamo light front and rear (I commute in the dark).


On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 6:27:52 AM UTC-8, jamison brosseau wrote:
>
> Hi John,   I would not try to conclude too much about the top tube length 
> of the Atlantis.  While the 59cm has a top tube of 62cm, it also has the 
> ability to place the handlebars in a much higher postion.  If chosen that 
> higher position will negate some of the top tube length.  If you have any 
> question about the fit I would call Riv.  I find these top tube issues are 
> never as simple as they seem.
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 10:14:38 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for all the replies. I'm thinking hard about this.
>> I have an 89 PBH,  78.5 cm saddle height, and ride a 58 Sam. It's 
>> perfect. I have come to the conclusion that, with long legs and short 
>> torso, I prefer a short stem (I use a 7cm on the Sam) and top tube no 
>> greater than 59cm. The height of the frame doesn't seem to matter as much 
>> as the length. Although aesthetically, I like the French-style "fist full 
>> of post", when I ride, all I care about is length of top tube.
>> I have a great desire to avoid toe overlap on my next Rivendell - not 
>> because it's terrible, but it can be annoying, and since, for city riding, 
>> I do a lot of slow, stop-and-go riding, I can incur overlap fairly often 
>> (not large feet, but I use Berthoud fenders, which reduce clearance a bit). 
>> I would not worry about it for "road riding", but for city, stop-and-go, 
>> trackstanding, it can be problematic.
>> I am of the opinion, since I ride with bars below saddle height and use 
>> drops (would even use drops on the Atlantis),that I'd be okay on the 56 
>> 650B. Are there dissenting thoughts otherwise?
>> (I must admit that I was spurred to thoughts of an Atlantis by the latest 
>> blahg post. I would hate, hate, hate, to miss out on another Riv).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 3:04:13 PM UTC-8, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
>>> John, What you are describing are some of the joys of owning a 
>>> Rivendell. I too have a Sam which I love. It was my first Riv and I used it 
>>> for everything. It never let me down and did all those tasks well. I was in 
>>> a similar situation where I wanted a dedicated touring bike that I would 
>>> take on S24o's and week long tours as time allowed. I ended up with an 
>>> Appaloosa as my second bike. The Appaloosa is a fantastic bike and so is my 
>>> roadish Sam. I feel that the Sam/Joe combo will suit all my cycling needs 
>>> for years to come. Get the MIT Atlantis to complement your Sam. There is 
>>> enough of a difference to make it worthwhile. 
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 8:32:09 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:

 I'm a super-duper happy owner of a Sam. It's a fantastic commuter. (I 
 know it can do more, but don't). However...I have always wanted an 
 Atlantis. Now, it's (almost) affordable for me. 
 I've been thinking of getting an Atlantis in 650 B, using it as my 
 commuter (and hopefully, touring bike if I can ever get time off), and 
 setting up my Sam as my "fast, stripped down road/ dirt bike.

 Crazy?

 The Sam, which now holds front and rear Tubus racks, Nitto Front F32, 
 and carries panniers on my daily grind, would be stripped down to no 
 racks, 
 and eventually a lighter wheel set than my current  (not shabby) Velocity 
 Synergies.

 Probably roll with Compass tires on it, too (now run the excellent, 
 affordable, Vittoria Voyager Hypers).

 The only thing I have not loved about my Sam has been that I get toe 
 overlap at times at slow speed city riding. It's annoying at times. I am 
 confident with a 650B setup of the 56cm Atlantis, this would be a 
 non-issue.






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Re: [RBW] Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

[Patrick Moore]

Sh*t: meant to say that Q was 160 in both cases.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:37 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> FWIW, my shop floor Sam Hill came with the XD-2 triple, 46/36/24, on a 113
> bb; this switched over entire to my first gen Fargo, which had ample
> clearance for tires up to 65 actual (Big Apples on 44 mm rims) and fenders
> and mud space, and good chainline.
>
> Yes, the Q is the same whether triple or double with the 2 inner rings and
> a guard. I converted the Fargo by simply removing the 46, replacing 36 with
> 38, and adding the guard. I didn't even move the LX fd; just adjusted the
> limit screw. Worked fine. Later replaced it with a DA 740n fd that also
> worked fine.
>
> Patrick "160 about max tolerable" Moore
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 5:49 PM James Warren 
> wrote:
>
>> It'll be the same as the Sugino XD-2 triple, which is 165 mm. Rivendell
>> calls that "Medium" on their website.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, my shop floor Sam Hill came with the XD-2 triple, 46/36/24, on a 113
bb; this switched over entire to my first gen Fargo, which had ample
clearance for tires up to 65 actual (Big Apples on 44 mm rims) and fenders
and mud space, and good chainline.

Yes, the Q is the same whether triple or double with the 2 inner rings and
a guard. I converted the Fargo by simply removing the 46, replacing 36 with
38, and adding the guard. I didn't even move the LX fd; just adjusted the
limit screw. Worked fine. Later replaced it with a DA 740n fd that also
worked fine.

Patrick "160 about max tolerable" Moore

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 5:49 PM James Warren  wrote:

> It'll be the same as the Sugino XD-2 triple, which is 165 mm. Rivendell
> calls that "Medium" on their website.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand tire rub

[Patrick Moore]

If you torque the mounting bolt so that the plates dig themselves little
hollows in the stays, your stand won't rotate. Just kidding (though I've
done that), but so far, the Greenfield bb-area stand on my Dahon has stayed
put, even without torquing it into the meta, and even with frequent and
irritated kickings -- when the drivetrain is fixed, the left crank always
ends up blocking the stand. I liberally wrap the stays in bar tape, the
torque down enthusiastically.

Slight tangent: does anyone know if a Greenfield left-rear-dropout stand
will interfere with that little magnetic mushroom thing that holds the
for'ard part of the frame to the after part when you fold it? Or can such a
stand be modified without too much trouble to avoid this?

I use the Hon Solo for grocery shopping, which means that I kick the stand
down and and then up at least half a dozen times during a typical singe
trip to the store; a rear dropout stand could be put down and left there
even as you wheel your (fixed gear) bike through the aisles.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:21 PM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> ...
> #A-2 probably won't be as good: kickstands always want to rotate, though I
> guess it would be in the direction it can't easily turn any farther.
>
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[RBW] SE Rivendell 25th Anniversary Celebration May 3/4/5 Greenville SC

[Karl]

I’d love to hear more as this is close enough to drive from Nashville!

Karl
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: Kickstand tire rub

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was at RBWHQ about 2 weeks ago and Roman showed me something that seems 
to address this problem. On the MIT Atlantis (IIRC), the kickstand mounting 
bolt hole in the frame's chain stay plate has been placed off center, to 
the NDS so that the kickstand ends up maybe 5 to 10 mm farther to the left 
of centerline. 

That implies that Laing's #A-1 filing solution is something to try to 
address the rubbing issue. You'd want to find a toothed washer for the top 
of the plate so that the kickstand can't be forced to slide back toward the 
center.

#A-2 probably won't be as good: kickstands always want to rotate, though I 
guess it would be in the direction it can't easily turn any farther.

David Lipsky 
Berkeley


On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 6:08:29 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
>
> A. You can use a file:
>1. oval the hole in the kickstand plate to move the kickstand out, away 
> from the tire, 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Patrick Moore]

It ain't locked if my post showed up; I posted because Jim's post showed up.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 6:19 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I wouldn't push too hard on singling me out as a problem poster after you
> were the one to revive a locked thread.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Joe Bernard]

I wouldn't push too hard on singling me out as a problem poster after you were 
the one to revive a locked thread. 

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Re: [RBW] SE Rivendell 25th Anniversary Celebration May 3/4/5 Greenville SC

[Curtis McKenzie]

The names of these establishments are great!  Makes me want to attend.

Curtis. "from the left coast"

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 4:46 PM  Todd Ripley and I are really excited to propose a full weekend of rides
> and opportunistic for socialization.
> Here are our thoughts
>
> Fri May 3rd afternoon ramble up the Swamp Rabbit Trail to Travelers Rest
> for a BBQ
>
> Sat May 4th 930 am meet at Swamp Rabbit Cafe for breakfast. Main ride
> 30-40 miles with easy and harder option.
> Lunch at Birds Fly South Ale Project and White Duck Tacos
> Optional afternoon loop through Falls Park and Cleveland Park
> 630 pm Dinner and social event at Velo Fellow gastro pub downtown
> Greenville
>
> Sunday May 5th optional ride to Lake Conestee Nature Preserve.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Grant is a worrier, at least to judge by his posts starting way back
pre-internet with "Peeking Through the Knothole." This is not a criticism,
just an observation. I'm a worrier, and I know something of what he feels.

What caught my eye was the report, for the first time IIRC, that staff have
been volunteering for big cutbacks in their working hours; I've not heard
of this before; and this report did get me worried. I very much agree that
"we will have lost something really special if we lose Rivendell."

And I expect -- can't say from inside knowledge, but I suspect -- that a
good part of Riv's financial pressures come from 2 things I wholeheartedly
support: (1) they make and sell what they love, even if they don't make and
sell what I, personallly, want; and (2) they pay their staff honestly. Very
many of the "Great and Good" among our commercial and political leaders
will eventually find themselves in lower bolgias of hell for, basically,
pimping themselves to whatever clientele they wish to profit from to the
neglect of honesty and integrity.

Others said, "Just buy, don't complain" or words to that effect. Sure, but
how many cables will it take to materially boost the company's bottom line?
I for one just don't buy much of what Rivendell offers; they don't even
carry the tubes I need, and after so many years of cycling I have stocked
up on a great deal of the bits that I need -- this is just a matter of
time. I don't want Rivendell clothing, Ortlieb panniers and Super C Slim
and Junior and Nelson saddlebags work for me where Sackvilles won't (I've
owned at least 7 Rivendell-marque saddlebags over the years), and they
don't sell fixed cogs or Dingles or ENO hubs; and I bought my dynamo hubs
and headlights before this announcement. Even cables: 3 of my bikes are
fixed gears, and 2 of these have just one brake. I did order $100 of stuff
recently including a $25 certificate, over and above the earlier $25
certificate that I haven't redeemed.

I am seriously thinking that I might, just might -- long shot -- begin to
start thinking about considering a plan for an eventual 4th custom; not
sure they'd welcome the inquiry, but who knows -- $3500 versus say $1500,
but I know I'd get better overall quality, if they could bear to accept my
requirements. This would be a copy (**copy**) of my '99 and '03 customs,
but with the changes needed to accommodate a 114 mm OL Sturmey Archer AM
hub. As I said, just thinking out loud, but I've said it.

To get to the point: I *absolutely do not think that this discussion need
be a bad thing* **if** discutants take the small trouble to think before
they post. What dismays and wearies me, on this and other lists, but even
more so in general, is the readiness of people to take ideological offense
where none need be taken. To put it vulgarly -- and I am talking generally;
this list is a far lesser offender than many other threads I follow (or,
don't follow because of the poor quality of the responses) too many posts
are stupid, and stupid because thoughtless.

Joe, I like you, but I am thinking of you in particular.

Over and out.

Patrick Moore


On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 5:48 PM Jim Salinas  wrote:

> The bicycle industry has always been cyclical. Rivendells' sales
> performance is off the same as the rest of the industry. Unfortunately,  a
> 10% drop in sales can lead to a 30% to 40% drop in profitability.  The
> reverse is also true...a 10% increase in sales can improve profitability by
> the same amount. Hopefully, Rivendell can hang on long enough to ride the
> next wave up. I continue to support them as much as possible. I have
> tremendous respect for the company! We should all do what we can to help
> them buy time...we will have lost something really special if we lose
> Rivendell!
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[RBW] WTR (ride): SF Bay Area 64cm Atlantis + 64cm Quickbeam + 58cm Appaloosa

[Jay P]

Infrequent poster, occasional buyer, often reader

I've been watching this list for some time for one of these to come up on 
this list but...  it would be great to be able to try one before buying one 
especially as buying/shipping/selling bikes is such a pain.

If you have one of these and would welcome me stopping by for a quick test 
ride, please PM me !

Berkeley/ Oakland ideal but not essential.

I would really appreciate it, and it's also would be fun to shoot the bike 
breeze for a minute.  

I could also bring you a gift-beer-of-appreciation and, if you'd like, ride 
over one of my bikes in case you're were curious about trying one (they're 
all a delight):

   - 64cm Trek 720 (1982) Bosco cruiser with 37mm almotion TL tires, full 
   531, 47cm chain stays, laid back cruiser
   - 64cm Trek 710 (1982) 46cm noodle with 35mm g-one speed tires, full 
   531, lithe fun sport tourer
   - 64cm Fuji America (~1981) 46mm noodle with 650x 40mm marathon supremes 
   -- first 650b conversion, and one I reach for often
   - 60cm Betty Foy (early), HT albatross, 40mm marathon supremes currently 
   with a Copenhagen wheel -- wonderful but a touch small -- likely to sell to 
   buy Atlantis, QB, Appa, or new Cheviot
   - 56cm Novara XR -- HT albatross (but designed for dirt drop/ drop bars) 
   with 2.1 TL almotions, sleeper, very low bb stouter version of XO1, really 
   nice bike -- too small for me but too cool !  Will sell soon...

And if you have one of these frames/bikes that you want to sell, please be 
in touch!  (condition less important than price : )

Thank you  - !   Jay (Berkeley) 

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Vincent Tamer]

I would like to put knobbies on my Clem! I was afraid my fenders would 
interfere with that but it looks like you’ve got a good setup there! What size 
tire are you running?

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[RBW] A quick note

[AV]

The thread about Riv's financial situation closed, so I couldn't post my 
reply to recent comments on my post. I think maybe some people 
misunderstood what I was trying to say, so I hope it's OK if I post my 
reply here. 

I get that Rivendell is about drawing a line in the sand over certain 
things and I agree with most of those lines. To me, though, the most 
important things about Rivendell are the functional advantages of the bikes 
and the ethics of the company. My point was: If Rivendell is in trouble 
financially, why not consider doing something different with the product 
line up? Is that really a worse idea than hoping an angel investor shows 
up? I'm not saying get rid of bikes like the AHH and Atlantis. I'm saying 
that maybe Roadini sales were disappointing because a bike like that falls 
into a weird middle place in the market and if you're going to offer a 
lower priced product tier, maybe try a different approach. 

Anyway. I get the impression some people think I was beating a dead horse 
and maybe they're right. Sorry for bumping that thread when it seems people 
just wanted it to go away. 

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Re: [RBW] Help me build a Clem please!

[OwenS]

Yeah they don't seem to sell the build kits any more. In terms of shipping, 
turns out shipping a frame is only $10 cheaper than sending the full bike. 
I did however think I would be able to source components and build up my 
own one cheaper than a complete bike. However this doesn't seem to be the 
case..

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:38:52 AM UTC+11, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> Riv used to list some very affordable build kits that would be really hard 
> to beat price wise unless you already had a bunch of components. 
> I suspect everything shy of bars and wheels would fit in the frame box. 
> It would be worth asking them first since you are already getting a frame. 
>
> Ray
>

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Re: [RBW] Help me build a Clem please!

[OwenS]

Thanks! I can't find 650b rim brake compatible wheels in Australia. I'm 
even prepared to build my own wheels if I can locate some rims. That is 
also a struggle. It seems that rim brake compatible 650b wheels in 
Australia really are becoming dinosaurs..

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 7:57:16 AM UTC+11, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> shimano Claris or Altus with microshift thumbie shifters, Origin8 stem, 
> seatpost, headsets are good and cheap. You can get velocity wheels in 
> Australia. Tektro brakes and levers.

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Re: [RBW] Help me build a Clem please!

[OwenS]

Thanks Patrick! Yes it certainly is a puzzle. Moreso where to find the 
pieces one I've selected them! The main thing I'm really struggling with is 
the 650b wheelset. 
It is hard because I could go and get a Soma/Surly/Salsa frame for the same 
price, with much easier access to wheels (disc brake only) but then that 
kinda goes against the point of what I'm after which is the decisions that 
have gone into the geometry choices with Riv bikes. It's a pickle!

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 11:25:18 AM UTC+11, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Welcome, Owen! It’s exciting and full of over-thinking to puzzle out a 
> bike build, ain’t it? Grin. One of the gifts of this group is the expertice 
> in various details, but in the end, we each have to figure out what works 
> for us when the rubber meets the road, the hands the bars, the feet the 
> pedals, the rear the saddle. Grin. 
>
> You’d said: “Also at 5'11" any idea on which stem riser height I should be 
> looking at?” Rivendell uses threaded 1” (? Confirm that, I may have the 
> detail wrong? 1.25”?) headsets, so if your question presumes the threadless 
> headsets you see on most bike, these are different. The height is very 
> adjustable on Riv stems in a wide range. The stem decisions you’ll have 
> are: 1) road brake levers (26mm stem) or mountain brake levers (25.?mm 
> diameter stem)? (your bar will determine this); stem length (if you go 52 
> Clem, longer stem length most likely, shorter for the large). 
>
> I understand the budget constraint, but if you can, wherever your body 
> meets the bike, quality matters. Rivendell is great at offering good value 
> parts for these, including pedals, but it’s worth spending more on bar and 
> saddle once you have an idea what works for you. 
>
> Enjoy the delecious torment of thinking about a bike you don’t yet have! 
> We’ve all been there, and some of us are always there! Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

[James Warren]

It'll be the same as the Sugino XD-2 triple, which is 165 mm. Rivendell
calls that "Medium" on their website.

It's the same crankarm as the Sugino XD-2 set up as a triple. Just
different rings and a pants guard outer.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:08 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Any thoughts on this setup vs. the Sugino XD-2 tripple (46/36/24)? I know
> the double has a lower top end. I guess what I"m most curious about is the
> Q-factor. I can't find info on the Q of the Wide Low double.
>
> I've been riding doubles for a while, and like them, in general (VO 46/30
> and a mish-mash 44/30  Girvin MTB crank on my Sam commuter). I used to use
> the standard Sugino XD-2 46/36/24 on my Sam, and switched because I hardly
> ever (almost never) got into the granny and felt the gearing was redundant.
> But I really liked the 36 ring, and did almost all my riding it it alone.
> The 36 was so nice for almost everything. Curious about the Q of the Riv
> (Sugino) Wide Low 2x.
>
> All equal I want the lowest Q I can get, assuming I can get the gearing I
> want.
>
> Not sure why, but I just really dig the look of the Sugino 2X. I will
> admit I'd lose a little top end speed with this set up, but I've got
> another bike for the high end descents (46 tooth top ring).
>
> Winter musings, I guess, as snow flurries patter down in Portland, Oregon.
> (I just installed  Schwalbe Marathon Mondials to better deal with the
> snow/ice we probably won't encounter on my ride into work at 6 a.m.
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[RBW] FS-Riv Road Custom frame/fork 54cm

[Jim Ammirato]

Selling my Rivendell Road Custom frameset. It was built in April, 2000 by 
Roland Della Santa. Pea/Sage green Imron paint by JB. 

Frame specs are -

ST - 54cm c-c (56 c-t)

TT - 54cm c-c

Rear spacing - 130mm

Pics here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/velolab

It uses short reach brakes. I am currently running a 700x32 Pacela and 
there's still a bit of room under the bridge and crown. I've never tried 
running a 35mm but it looks like they might fit (?). I've ridden it with 
28mm Paselas with fenders. It has single eyelets front and rear and a pump 
peg.

It is in very good condition. There are a few paint chips/nicks especially 
on the eyelets that can be easily touched up. There is a small ding on the 
top tube. This happened when the bike fell over and just nicked my portable 
stand. You can see it in the pics. It's not reallly noticeable from three 
feet away. The paint didn't chip or crack, it's more of a scuff. Feel free 
to ask questions. 

Asking $1250. shipped to CONUS. Please contact me off list if interested. 
Thanks !


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[RBW] Re: Help me build a Clem please!

[OwenS]

Right on the edge re sizing though my PBH is 86cm so 52 seems the right 
size. 

On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 4:39:55 AM UTC+11, Drw wrote:
>
> Have you looked at bike flights shipping costs? I am pretty sure that 
> they’ll be cheaper than what Rivendell uses, but I’d imagine you could buy 
> the bikeflights shipping and have the frame picked up from Rivendell. 
>
> Its really hard to know what stem length you’d want, without knowing what 
> kind of bars you plan to run along with a bunch of other factors. Also, are 
> you sure 52 is the right size? I’d imagine that at 5’11 your at least 
> between the 52 and 59.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini handlebar ideas

[James Warren]

Tom,
Did you have a bar on the Atlantis before? If so, what was it, and upon
switching to the Wavie, did you make a stem change?

Thank you,
Jim W.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 7:42 PM tc  wrote:

> Thanks, Chip. I bought and mounted the Wavie on my Atlantis and love it.
> Still not sure what to do on the Roadini. I have an Albastache, and a 56 HT
> alum Albatross, and the Ahearne+Map that used to be on the Atlantis.
> Decisions, decisions!
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Help me build a Clem please!

[Weston Hein]

Just a couple of things that I noticed while building up my Clem: 

A clutch rear derailleur really helps with the chain slap if you plan on 
doing any mixed surface riding. The extra long chainstays give more room 
for the chain to sag and bounce around. The chain slap may not bother you 
but I found a Sram GX 2x10 rear really helped quiet things down back there 
over rough riding.

I use a larger gear range than my other bikes. I tried to initially build 
the Clem up as a 1x (with a 42t cassette) but just couldn't get the range I 
needed. Riv specs the bikes with a 38/24 up front and it works beautifully. 
I was able to piece together a budget 38/24 using an old Deore triple and 
only had to purchase the new 38t middle ring. Many of these old triples use 
a 24t granny already and most haven't been worn beyond use. Shifting has 
been great so far with a 10 speed chain using GX trigger shifters and a 
CX-70 front der. 

V brakes are cheap, easy to set up, and powerful enough to get the job 
done. I really dig the aesthetics/modulation of canti's but V brakes are 
just easier to work with and provide better overall stopping power in my 
experience. When I set my Clem up with canti's I had some shudder in the 
front using a headset mounted cable hanger. If I was going to go the canti 
route I'd run a fork crown mounted hanger to hopefully alleviate the issue. 
I'm also on a 59cm frame so it's a pretty big headtube which may be more of 
a problem over a 52cm.

I lve Bosco Bars. Comfort was the name of the game for my build and I 
couldn't be happier with the bars. There's more useable hand positions on 
them than I imagined. With the long top tube on these frames I found the 
swept back bars to really be in a good spot with a 10cm stem. I went with a 
Nitto Technomic and find that I use pretty much all of the height available 
on the extension. I'm super upright on my bike and with bars angled down 
quite a bit my wrists and back are much happier than my more aggressive 
bikes. If you were planning to go with these bars it probably wouldn't add 
much to your shipping costs from Riv if they can fit them into the frame 
box.

My 59cm can fit 2.4" tires fenderless with ease, so you should have no 
issues finding a solid gravel/bikepacking tire. 700x55 for commuting with 
plenty of room for fenders. Enjoy your Clem and post up some pics when you 
get the build done! It's my favorite bike and extremely versatile, I think 
it's a great choice for what you're after. 

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Joe Appa owners, what's your pbh?

[Kalmia Vt]

My pbh is 84.5. I'm on the 55 cm Appaloosa. I'm a 5 feet 8 1/2 inches tall 
mesomorph. With 700x45 tires I can straddle the bike comfortably anywhere 
on the top tube and I like the fit. And I like the bike. I built mine with 
the 8cm dirt drop stem. With the stem as low as it will go that puts the 
bar ~ 1 inch higher than the saddle. I contemplate swapping the stem for 
something that would let me get an inch lower, but that will wait until 
spring comes to northern Vermont and I can put some more miles on the 
bike.  -   K

On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 10:50:18 AM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> hi, I've been sort of in the market for a 55cm App for awhile and that's 
> heating up a bit now that spring is coming into a view bit
> I ride a 56cm Sam so I've assumed I'd be a 55cm App.
> my pbh is 84.5
> Any owners of the 55 around that number?
> Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Jim Salinas]

The bicycle industry has always been cyclical. Rivendells' sales
performance is off the same as the rest of the industry. Unfortunately,  a
10% drop in sales can lead to a 30% to 40% drop in profitability.  The
reverse is also true...a 10% increase in sales can improve profitability by
the same amount. Hopefully, Rivendell can hang on long enough to ride the
next wave up. I continue to support them as much as possible. I have
tremendous respect for the company! We should all do what we can to help
them buy time...we will have lost something really special if we lose
Rivendell!

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 12:31 PM Cyclofiend Jim  I was kinda hoping this thread had engaged in a quiet passing...
>
> On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 9:53:18 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The MUSA AHH is gone, the Clem and Roadini are TIGed except for the seat
>> lug. I'm not sure what Rivendell bike company you're giving product advice
>> to, AV, but it's not the one currently operating in Walnut Creek.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[AV]

Patrick — thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. My motivation was 
indeed positive. Certainly, I did not mean to imply I know better than anyone 
else what Rivendell should do. And maybe my idea was misguided or even stupid. 

I just wanted to start a conversation about what Riv could do, proactively, 
instead of simply waiting for things to get better. That said, I realize that 
the last thing Grant Petersen needs is advice from some random person on the 
internet. He’s run the business for 25 years, it’s his vision, who cares what 
anyone else thinks.

I feel bad I revived a thread that some people wish had gone away. I didn’t 
mean to stir things up or set group members against each other. 

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[RBW] SE Rivendell 25th Anniversary Celebration May 3/4/5 Greenville SC

[mcburnjow]

Todd Ripley and I are really excited to propose a full weekend of rides and 
opportunistic for socialization.
Here are our thoughts

Fri May 3rd afternoon ramble up the Swamp Rabbit Trail to Travelers Rest for a 
BBQ

Sat May 4th 930 am meet at Swamp Rabbit Cafe for breakfast. Main ride 30-40 
miles with easy and harder option. 
Lunch at Birds Fly South Ale Project and White Duck Tacos
Optional afternoon loop through Falls Park and Cleveland Park
630 pm Dinner and social event at Velo Fellow gastro pub downtown Greenville

Sunday May 5th optional ride to Lake Conestee Nature Preserve.



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[RBW] Re: Updated A. Homer Hilsen

[stoker]

Love the color and the fenders look terrific 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Grilver Clem H Size 52 Brand New

[Hugh Smitham]

Congratulations.

Hugh

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 2:57 PM RDS  Sold
>
> On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:23:06 AM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I have a brand new, in box never opened, Clem H in size 52 in the Grilver
>> color.  Purchased earlier this year.  I haven't even opened the box. I paid
>> the full $1,650 price that's on the web site.  I'll take $1,400 and I will
>> pay the shipping charge as long as it it within the continental USA.
>> Contact me off list if interested.
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[RBW] Re: BOB Wallets

[Joe Bernard]

https://www.rivbike.com/products/sackville-marks-toolwrap

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[RBW] Re: Updated A. Homer Hilsen

[Edwin W]

I love matching fenders.

Edwin

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 4:41:51 PM UTC-6, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Apologies in advance for the indoor lighting (currently 3 inches of 
> ice/freezing rain outside) but figured I would share some pictures of my 
> updated AHH. I bought the frame from Riv in 2013 and at the time, brazed on 
> Paul center pull brakes were not an option.
>
> Fast forward to current day. I took the frame and fork to Hanford Cycles 
> in Philadelphia for the following mods:
>
> Braze on mounts for Paul Racer Center Pull brakes
> Threaded rear fender mounts (brake & chainstay bridge)
> Provisions for Internal wiring in the down tube and front fork
> Chain hanger
>
> Since the work would require some re-painting I also included a set of 
> Honjo fenders to have them painted the same color as the frame. They did a 
> great job matching the existing paint and even gave me the leftovers for 
> future touch ups. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Updated A. Homer Hilsen

[Brian Campbell]

Ha! Thanks again!


On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> Looks great! Now I want to do that on *my* Homer. Wanna trade brakes? I 
> have some really nice polished Mediums...
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Updated A. Homer Hilsen

[sameness]

Looks great! Now I want to do that on *my* Homer. Wanna trade brakes? I 
have some really nice polished Mediums...

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Updated A. Homer Hilsen

[Joe Bernard]

Very nice! +1 on the braze-ons, I have them on my Taylor and it's a noticeable 
improvement over the center-mount Paul's I've used. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Grilver Clem H Size 52 Brand New

[RDS]

Sold

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:23:06 AM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I have a brand new, in box never opened, Clem H in size 52 in the Grilver 
> color.  Purchased earlier this year.  I haven't even opened the box. I paid 
> the full $1,650 price that's on the web site.  I'll take $1,400 and I will 
> pay the shipping charge as long as it it within the continental USA.  
> Contact me off list if interested.
>

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[RBW] Updated A. Homer Hilsen

[Brian Campbell]

Apologies in advance for the indoor lighting (currently 3 inches of 
ice/freezing rain outside) but figured I would share some pictures of my 
updated AHH. I bought the frame from Riv in 2013 and at the time, brazed on 
Paul center pull brakes were not an option.

Fast forward to current day. I took the frame and fork to Hanford Cycles in 
Philadelphia for the following mods:

Braze on mounts for Paul Racer Center Pull brakes
Threaded rear fender mounts (brake & chainstay bridge)
Provisions for Internal wiring in the down tube and front fork
Chain hanger

Since the work would require some re-painting I also included a set of 
Honjo fenders to have them painted the same color as the frame. They did a 
great job matching the existing paint and even gave me the leftovers for 
future touch ups. 







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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Saddles

[lconley]

B-17 is sold

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 6:27:56 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> Bump
>
> On Monday, January 28, 2019 at 2:34:31 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>
>>  Prices dropped to $65 and 75$ shipped CONUS. Includes Brooks adjusting 
>> wrenches.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 10:25:44 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>> Standard Black B-17, new bike take-off, maybe 10 miles: $70 shipped 
>>> CONUS.
>>>
>>> Customized (chromed springs and rear bar from B-67), Honey Flyer 
>>> Special, beveled leather and copper rivets, excellent condition, great 
>>> patina: $80 shipped CONUS.
>>>
>>> My rear end requires B-67s and B-68s these days. Always looking for 
>>> B-68s if you want to trade.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0115.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0116.jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing 
>>> Cocoa, FL
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

[Ron Mc]

looks perfect Philip

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 1:17:32 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> I was just defining my wide-low double gear setup for my new Fitz 
> All-Road, and the gearing looks pretty similar. 
>
> 40/24 x 11-26 11 speed, with 55mm tires. 
>
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=24,40&RZ=11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,26&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=KMH&DV=gearInches
>  
>  
> Dropping to a 22t small ring would mimic your low range of gears almost 
> exactly. I'm looking forward to riding this gearing. I think I'll have a 
> little more resolution in the 70s, and an extra 105" gear at the top end. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, Ca
>
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 5:50:45 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I've been running 42/25T x9  for years and love it.  Using a custom 
>> cassette, *here's my gear chart 
>> *
>>
>> Should be able to easily switch your combination into Mike's calculator.  
>>
>> If you try to bookmark yours, change the title and hit return, then hit 
>> save, recall, bookmark at every button you can find on the page - 
>>
>> - before you quit, copy the bookmark link at the bottom of the page and 
>> paste into a new window to make sure it kept your changes.  Then save your 
>> bookmark.  
>>
>> 
>>
>> Chain guard
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

[George Schick]

Ditto.  I was using a long cage derailleur when I switched to the Sugino 
double a couple of years ago and noticed that shifting was slow (this is 
with a 5-speed freewheel).  I dug up and old Shimano Crane out of my parts 
box, installed it, and removed a couple chain links.  Now it shifts 
lightning quick.  I like the gearing, as well.  Gives me a top-end in the 
low 80's and a low in the low 30's, which is fine for the terrain over 
which I ride and sufficient range for my aging carcass.


On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 12:41:05 AM UTC-6, Ian A wrote:
>
> Joe's observation of crisp front shifting is bang on. I have found another 
> benefit of a compact double (converted triple) is being able to run a short 
> cage rear derailleur, which feels better to me than a long cage in this 
> application. My 130bcd Sugino GP now sports an outer chainguard and 45/30 
> in front with a nine speed 12-27 cassette, paired with Suntour barends. I'm 
> very pleased with the shifting with this set-up.
>
> IanA
>
> "The Q is the same, you're just replacing the big ring with a chainguard. 
> The main benefit of a Wide-Low double is you can set the fd stops to cover 
> just the two rings, making friction front shifting almost index-like: "
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

[Philip Williamson]

I was just defining my wide-low double gear setup for my new Fitz All-Road, 
and the gearing looks pretty similar. 

40/24 x 11-26 11 speed, with 55mm tires. 
http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=24,40&RZ=11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,26&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=KMH&DV=gearInches
 
 
Dropping to a 22t small ring would mimic your low range of gears almost 
exactly. I'm looking forward to riding this gearing. I think I'll have a 
little more resolution in the 70s, and an extra 105" gear at the top end. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, Ca


On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 5:50:45 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I've been running 42/25T x9  for years and love it.  Using a custom 
> cassette, *here's my gear chart 
> *
>
> Should be able to easily switch your combination into Mike's calculator.  
>
> If you try to bookmark yours, change the title and hit return, then hit 
> save, recall, bookmark at every button you can find on the page - 
>
> - before you quit, copy the bookmark link at the bottom of the page and 
> paste into a new window to make sure it kept your changes.  Then save your 
> bookmark.  
>
> 
>
> Chain guard
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[Ron Mc]

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 12:08:56 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Joe, that's why I like the SunXCD better than the TA Pro-5-Vis - the flare 
> in the arms gives it a wider footprint, clears possible contact with chain, 
> chainSTAYS, kickstand, FD cage, 
>
sorry 

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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[Ron Mc]

Joe, that's why I like the SunXCD better than the TA Pro-5-Vis - the flare 
in the arms gives it a wider footprint, clears possible contact with chain, 
chainrings, kickstand, FD cage, 


and especially Simplex chainguard ("clearance" with the Pro-5-Vis)

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 12:00:08 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm a narrow-Q dissenter. The Riv Silver cranks on my Clem H were so 
> narrow that I kept shifting my feet almost off the sides of the pedals. 
> Narrow Q, not for everyone!

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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[Joe Bernard]

I'm a narrow-Q dissenter. The Riv Silver cranks on my Clem H were so narrow 
that I kept shifting my feet almost off the sides of the pedals. Narrow Q, not 
for everyone!

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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[Ron Mc]

ps - found this on VO blog

First, Pro-5-Vis cranks have about the narrowest Q factor, or tread, of any 
crank made. That's a good thing for most of us. In fact some experts claim 
that most riders pedal more efficiently on low Q-factor cranks. But there 
is a small percentage of riders who are more comfortable on with a wider 
crank. You probably know who you are and you should not buy Pro-5-Vis 
cranks. Simply using a longer bottom bracket, as the article suggests, will 
throw off your chain line and, in my experience, may result in balky 
shifting.

The other bit I wanted to correct is that all these cranks did not go to 
Japan, nor were they re-imported from Japan. You can just look in our stock 
room to see that.

Which brings us to the bigger issue of, "Will they be made again?" We were 
told, twice, that the last production run would be it. Forever; period; no 
more; finished. But apparently this past run sold so quickly that that 
decision was reconsidered, according to both Jan and my French contacts, 
and there may indeed be more runs. I'm happy about that since they really 
are great cranks. But I feel like I misled our customers by repeating what 
I'd been told about there being no more ever made. My apologies.

Here is what I wrote previously about these cranks:

One
 
reason why so many people like the TA crank is that it has about the lowest 
Q-factor (width) of any crank ever made. This is because the crank arm is 
straight and very close to the outer chainring. So front derailleurs that 
have thick outer plates sometimes hit the crankarm, But all Campy models 
and many others work. These cranks will work with modern drivetrains, even 
10-speed. Another reason to use TA Pro Vis 5 cranks is that they can 
replace a triple crank when set up as a double. You can run 28t and 46t 
rings with a 12-27 cassette (for example) and have almost the same range as 
a triple, but with a lot less overlap. Rings 26 to 68 teeth 
 are available. By the way, TA 
sells the cranks and rings separately; there are no stock combinations. So 
why did these wonderful cranks go out of production? The big chainrings, 
above 50t or so, are too flexible for racing. And they are very expensive.


On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 11:13:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> That's beautiful, Ron. 
> What's the Q on these cranks on your bikes? 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
> On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 5:22:19 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[Ron Mc]

Thanks Phillip, I couldn't tell you the math, but they're about as vertical 
as a crank can get, with the square taper buried far to the outside 
Here's the reason I used SunTour FD1300 - figured how to attach the Simplex 
chainguard using a computer board standoff, and the Simplex hardware with 
one of the French M3s tapped to M5



This *3x5 half-step plus granny 
*
 
is the best drivetrain I ever designed.  


On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 11:13:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> That's beautiful, Ron. 
> What's the Q on these cranks on your bikes? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam angled dropouts - first principles?

[Philip Williamson]

It was a fun rabbit hole to go down, and John made it easy to explore the 
options.  

John: "I added all the components to the drawing, and it doesn't look that 
weird." 
Me: "It looks pretty weird. Can we change it back?"
John: "Sure." Click. Tap tap. "Done." 
BikeCad sure is cool. 

The slider doesn't have enough range to make the angle worthwhile, and any 
dingle setup I run will have the same total number of teeth, anyway. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 10:13:35 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "I’m starting to think the angled dropouts are stupid, though." 
>
> Yep. 

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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[Philip Williamson]

That's beautiful, Ron. 
What's the Q on these cranks on your bikes? 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 5:22:19 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> The accolade of Crisp Front Shifting was given on another thread, and I 
> didn't want to seem to take exception with that accolade where it was 
> given.  
> I'm posting my comments on this thread in case anybody wants to reference 
> it for following up on their own version of James' 3-speed.  
> No front ring setup shifts quicker and crisper than a TA cyclotouriste 
> ring stack.  It's because the side-to-side spacing on the rings is so 
> small.  
> The narrow ring spacing would be a limitation with a mountain cassette, 
> but with the single rear cog, it would be the very slickest way to copy 
> James.  
> I'm running two bikes with Sun XCD crank arms and TA ring stack triples.  
> Best buy on the crank arms were from Japan suppliers, and best buys (and 
> widest choice) on the TA rings were from UK and EU suppliers.  
>
> 
>
> This shifts with your favorite road double FD, here Shimano 600, also 
> running SunTour FD1300 Cyclone on the other drivetrain.  
>
> Each of these drivetrains began with a venerable used TA Pro V crank arm 
> set, and eventually got upgraded to the SunXCD.  Most of us have forgotten 
> what low-Q really means until we have to deal with those crank arms.  The 
> Sun XCD version is an upgrade over the original, because where they give up 
> Q is a slight outward flare on the arms, making them a much better match 
> with modern wider rear spacings and chainstays, and also giving easy 
> clearance for setting up the FD cage.  
>
> The big set-up thing with these is BB width and asymmetry.  The 3x7 just 
> above is running 121mm SKF with 4mm offset spacer.  My other 3x5 is on a 
> 125mm Phil BB with factory 5mm offset, and 2 more mm dialed in the BB cup.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[esoterica etc]

Tom, sounds good, thanks for keeping me in mind if you ever decide to sell the 
Ahearne bar. Enjoy!

~Mark

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[RBW] Re: Swaping one Riv for another

[jamison brosseau]

Hi John,   I would not try to conclude too much about the top tube length 
of the Atlantis.  While the 59cm has a top tube of 62cm, it also has the 
ability to place the handlebars in a much higher postion.  If chosen that 
higher position will negate some of the top tube length.  If you have any 
question about the fit I would call Riv.  I find these top tube issues are 
never as simple as they seem.

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 10:14:38 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the replies. I'm thinking hard about this.
> I have an 89 PBH,  78.5 cm saddle height, and ride a 58 Sam. It's perfect. 
> I have come to the conclusion that, with long legs and short torso, I 
> prefer a short stem (I use a 7cm on the Sam) and top tube no greater than 
> 59cm. The height of the frame doesn't seem to matter as much as the length. 
> Although aesthetically, I like the French-style "fist full of post", when I 
> ride, all I care about is length of top tube.
> I have a great desire to avoid toe overlap on my next Rivendell - not 
> because it's terrible, but it can be annoying, and since, for city riding, 
> I do a lot of slow, stop-and-go riding, I can incur overlap fairly often 
> (not large feet, but I use Berthoud fenders, which reduce clearance a bit). 
> I would not worry about it for "road riding", but for city, stop-and-go, 
> trackstanding, it can be problematic.
> I am of the opinion, since I ride with bars below saddle height and use 
> drops (would even use drops on the Atlantis),that I'd be okay on the 56 
> 650B. Are there dissenting thoughts otherwise?
> (I must admit that I was spurred to thoughts of an Atlantis by the latest 
> blahg post. I would hate, hate, hate, to miss out on another Riv).
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 3:04:13 PM UTC-8, Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>> John, What you are describing are some of the joys of owning a Rivendell. 
>> I too have a Sam which I love. It was my first Riv and I used it for 
>> everything. It never let me down and did all those tasks well. I was in a 
>> similar situation where I wanted a dedicated touring bike that I would take 
>> on S24o's and week long tours as time allowed. I ended up with an Appaloosa 
>> as my second bike. The Appaloosa is a fantastic bike and so is my roadish 
>> Sam. I feel that the Sam/Joe combo will suit all my cycling needs for years 
>> to come. Get the MIT Atlantis to complement your Sam. There is enough of a 
>> difference to make it worthwhile. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 8:32:09 PM UTC-5, John Bokman wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm a super-duper happy owner of a Sam. It's a fantastic commuter. (I 
>>> know it can do more, but don't). However...I have always wanted an 
>>> Atlantis. Now, it's (almost) affordable for me. 
>>> I've been thinking of getting an Atlantis in 650 B, using it as my 
>>> commuter (and hopefully, touring bike if I can ever get time off), and 
>>> setting up my Sam as my "fast, stripped down road/ dirt bike.
>>>
>>> Crazy?
>>>
>>> The Sam, which now holds front and rear Tubus racks, Nitto Front F32, 
>>> and carries panniers on my daily grind, would be stripped down to no racks, 
>>> and eventually a lighter wheel set than my current  (not shabby) Velocity 
>>> Synergies.
>>>
>>> Probably roll with Compass tires on it, too (now run the excellent, 
>>> affordable, Vittoria Voyager Hypers).
>>>
>>> The only thing I have not loved about my Sam has been that I get toe 
>>> overlap at times at slow speed city riding. It's annoying at times. I am 
>>> confident with a 650B setup of the 56cm Atlantis, this would be a non-issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[R Shannon]

Evan, that’s a stunning Ram. Perfectly classic. Beautiful colors too!

Maybe Riv should create a 25th anniversary Ram? Wishful thinking on my part:-)

Best,
Rich in 

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> On Feb 12, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Bruce Herbitter  
> wrote:
> 
> Beautiful bike.  The solid rear dropout differs from the later Rams which 
> have a window and the lug set is pointed instead of rounded as on later 
> bikes.  Ooh that color!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Feb 11, 2019, at 10:32 PM, Evan E.  wrote:
>> 
>> Rambouillet: 
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/19TrbqrlTfcHNB9_tF1YU0UsdMqx-VaGM/view?usp=sharing
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[RBW] Re: Kickstand tire rub

[lconley]

A. You can use a file:
   1. oval the hole in the kickstand plate to move the kickstand out, away 
from the tire, or, if you don't want to file on the frame.
   2. file on the sides of the kickstand mount to rotate the kickstand 
relative to the frame.
B. Get a kickstand that mounts to the chainstay and seatstay near the rear 
hub. Greenfield makes them, and maybe Pletscher also. I mounted one of this 
style on a fatbike.

Laing
Cocoa FL

On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:05:32 PM UTC-5, Bob B wrote:

> I’ve wanted to use a kickstand for a while on my hunq; I currently run 
> 55mm big bens and 2.10 smart sams. After I mounted the standard Plescher 
> model, I immediately had to remove it because of tire rub. Bummer. 
>
> Does anyone know if the bulkier kickstand Riv recently started offering is 
> designed to clear wider tires? Or, is there another brand, or some other 
> creative solution to this? 
>
> Thanks 
> Bob B 
> Brooklyn, NY 
>

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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[Ron Mc]

The accolade of Crisp Front Shifting was given on another thread, and I 
didn't want to seem to take exception with that accolade where it was 
given.  
I'm posting my comments on this thread in case anybody wants to reference 
it for following up on their own version of James' 3-speed.  
No front ring setup shifts quicker and crisper than a TA cyclotouriste ring 
stack.  It's because the side-to-side spacing on the rings is so small.  
The narrow ring spacing would be a limitation with a mountain cassette, but 
with the single rear cog, it would be the very slickest way to copy James.  
I'm running two bikes with Sun XCD crank arms and TA ring stack triples.  
Best buy on the crank arms were from Japan suppliers, and best buys (and 
widest choice) on the TA rings were from UK and EU suppliers.  



This shifts with your favorite road double FD, here Shimano 600, also 
running SunTour FD1300 Cyclone on the other drivetrain.  

Each of these drivetrains began with a venerable used TA Pro V crank arm 
set, and eventually got upgraded to the SunXCD.  Most of us have forgotten 
what low-Q really means until we have to deal with those crank arms.  The 
Sun XCD version is an upgrade over the original, because where they give up 
Q is a slight outward flare on the arms, making them a much better match 
with modern wider rear spacings and chainstays, and also giving easy 
clearance for setting up the FD cage.  

The big set-up thing with these is BB width and asymmetry.  The 3x7 just 
above is running 121mm SKF with 4mm offset spacer.  My other 3x5 is on a 
125mm Phil BB with factory 5mm offset, and 2 more mm dialed in the BB cup.  

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[Bruce Herbitter]

Beautiful bike.  The solid rear dropout differs from the later Rams which have 
a window and the lug set is pointed instead of rounded as on later bikes.  Ooh 
that color!

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[RBW] Re: Want to test ride: 52cm Clem L in NYC Area

[jamison brosseau]

Hi Bob,  718 does have a 52cm Clem h set up and available for test rides.  
Pretty sure the geometry between the L an H is basically the same.  I think the 
H would let you know if the bike will fit.

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[RBW] Kickstand tire rub

[WETH]

Hi Bob,
I had a similar issue with my 56cm Hunq and 650bx2.4 tires.  I called Riv and 
spoke to Roman.  He recommended a kickstand they used on Clems, if I remember 
correctly.  After searching for a few minutes he found one for me.
A pictures worth a 1,000 words: https://flic.kr/p/2a71pS1
So, I’d call Riv if you haven’t.
Best wishes,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: FS: Grilver Clem H Size 52 Brand New

[RDS]

Pending Sale.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nimNFoZwJVF861Y2TctQC3xLj08cgzPu

On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:23:06 AM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I have a brand new, in box never opened, Clem H in size 52 in the Grilver 
> color.  Purchased earlier this year.  I haven't even opened the box. I paid 
> the full $1,650 price that's on the web site.  I'll take $1,400 and I will 
> pay the shipping charge as long as it it within the continental USA.  
> Contact me off list if interested.
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