[RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[Chris L]

I spend a lot of time on a non-bike forum where everything under the sun is 
discussed, and e-bikes come up fairly often.  The consensus of e-bike 
riders there is that they work just as hard while riding their e-bikes, 
they just end up going faster!  

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:

> I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I have 
> been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one I 
> would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.  
> And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of 
> 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with a 
> bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could 
> separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on 
> the experiment.
>
> In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on 
> the way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I 
> ride my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too 
> long (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I 
> have the peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance 
> level on the bike and take it easy.  
>
> In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60 
> for my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming 
> to think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of 
> sense as alternative transportation devices.  
>
> Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this 
> morning.  At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but now 
> I find myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w three 
> different handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache, 
> clementine=choco-moose).
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>   
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Ash. So far i’ve found the electric riv has led to no car use in two 
weeks and i have no plans to drive to work ever again, unless conditions are 
such that biking is unsafe.

My roundtrip commute is just slightly over 15 miles. But its pretty hilly, 
similar to a fish bowl in having steep sections on either side of a flat 
middle.  My atlantis (thanks to Jamison) offers a much smoother, pleasant 
riding experience but it does take more time and energy.  The eSam makes for a 
ride that is still enjoyable and leaves me more invigorated than won out when i 
get home.  

I do think a susi/clem/wolbis would make a better conversion candidate, but i 
haven’t figured out a good means of mounting the batter on it yet. So it’ll be 
an eSam rather than an eClem for now.

Sky in new west

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Ash  wrote:
> 
> 
> Very nice bike Sky.  Sounds like a fun project too.
> 
> While most electric bikes are not as much fun to ride as a Riv, some peddle 
> assist does have real use.  If I ever end up having a 10-15 miles commute, 
> I'd definitely consider converting my Susie to electric.  I love the 
> simplicity of a normal bike.  I also love biking 10-15 miles with pure muscle 
> power.  In reality, I'd probably end up driving more often than not, due to 
> time constraints, needing to shower when I get to work etc.  An e-bike solves 
> those problems.  When there are dozen of traffic lights/stop signs along the 
> way, any quicker acceleration after every stop quickly adds up and shortens 
> the commute time considerably.  If used wisely, peddle-assist makes the ride 
> safer too.  I would not be lazy to slow down in iffy conditions (such as a 
> car looking to enter the road, stop signs), because there's not much effort 
> to regain the speed!
> 
> Enjoy your e-Sam!
> 
>> On Wednesday, 30 September 2020 at 12:19:43 UTC-7 Sky Coulter wrote:
>> I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I have 
>> been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one I 
>> would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.  
>> And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of 
>> 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with a 
>> bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could 
>> separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on 
>> the experiment.
>> 
>> In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on the 
>> way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I ride 
>> my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too long 
>> (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I have the 
>> peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance level on 
>> the bike and take it easy.  
>> 
>> In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60 for 
>> my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming to 
>> think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of sense 
>> as alternative transportation devices.  
>> 
>> Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this morning.  
>> At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but now I find 
>> myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w three different 
>> handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache, clementine=choco-moose).
>> 
>> Sky in new west
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Roberta and others:

Tentative schedule for 10/17/20:
*  People driving:  Be ready to ride in Atlantic Highlands (AH) at the 1st 
Ave/Hennessey parking lot at 1130
*  Wait for NYC folks coming on the NJ Transit train scheduled in Matawan 
at 1011 and riding to AH on the HHT.  They should arrive by 1130.
*  Ride to Highlands ferry dock to get NYC folks coming on the 1145 ferry.
*  Everyone ride out to Sandy Hook.  
*  Retrace routes back to Highlands and Atlantic Highlands.  Train folks go 
to Long Branch to catch the train or bike ride back to AH and ride the HHT 
back to Matawan for the same or later train

Any Comments or questions?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:35:45 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone’s  input for meeting places and route suggestions. 
>  Posts the week of the ride.  Have we finalized the meet up spot? I don't 
> read this board every day.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Roberta]

Thanks to everyone’s  input for meeting places and route suggestions.  Posts 
the week of the ride.  Have we finalized the meet up spot? I don't read this 
board every day.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

[Roberta]

Yes, In still in!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone interested in a Ride in NJ in October?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just bumping this to see if there is still interest in ride starting in 
Atlantic Highlands NJ to Sandy Hook, NJ on 10/17

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 3:50:56 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> I got confused by Atlantic Highlands and a town further east called 
> Highlands.  I see the difference now.
>
> On the Bing aerial map the whole 1st Ave/Hennessey area in AH looks like a 
> parking lot with trucks with boat trailers (shouldn't be surprised close to 
> the water).  Any particular spot to meet up? 
>
> on the Bing aerial map, there appears to be a narrow trail between AH 
> (eastern end of the parking lot) which runs right along the water to the 
> next town further east.  Is this the old RR bed??  It appears to be between 
> the water and Mt Mitchell.
>
> Seems like a tentative schedule is:
> *  People driving:  Be ready to ride in AH at the 1st Ave/Hennessey 
> parking lot at 1130
> *  Wait for NYC folks coming on the NJ Transit train scheduled in Matawan 
> at 1011 and riding to AH on the HHT.  They should arrive by 1130.
> *  Ride to Highlands ferry dock to get NYC folks coming on the 1145 ferry.
> *  Everyone ride out to Sandy Hook.  
> *  Retrace routes back with the train folks going to Long Branch to catch 
> the train or riding HHT back to Matawan for the same or later train
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sam Hillborne 57/58 cm

[Todd G.]

Thank you for the heads up! My only real reason for pause is that I think I 
would prefer the cantilever version. Really for no other reason than 
affording myself a little more flexibility in tire size. I mentioned in my 
original post that I want to run a 38, 42 or up to a 44, maybe a 48c 
tire. I’m pretty confident that the 44/48 tire option would be maxing out 
any medium reach caliper. I actually meant to include that most of my 
interest was in a canti version, but it kind of slipped my mind.

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 8:37:00 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Just noticed a Sam on eBay that might meet what your looking for: 
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-lugged-steel-frame-for-sidepull-centerpull-brakes-56cm/254732548175?hash=item3b4f3e384f:g:DLIAAOSwQSBfckIE
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 2:17:12 PM UTC-4 Todd G. wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’ve been lurking around the group for a while and have very much been 
>> enjoying all the great content. I’m working on consolidating my stable a 
>> bit. Too much overlap between bikes, and I also have a custom 
>> Allroad/Randonneur coming sometime around February of 2021. I’m not beyond 
>> waiting for Riv to get the SH back in stock in October, but figured I would 
>> test the waters here prior to see what may be available.
>>
>> I really like the orange/burnt orange with the cream headtube, the 
>> black/cream, Sage and Porsche green versions. It will probably alternate 
>> between Nitto Albatross bars or Noodles with a front basket, with 38 or 
>> 43/44c tires, depending on what type of riding I’m going to be doing.
>>
>> If you have something that fits the bill, please reach out and lets talk. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any particular grease cleaner you would recommend!

[Tim Quinlan]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ray  wrote:

> Simple Green. It might be my favorite product of any variety ever period.
> It's like magic.
>

Also works great as a laundry pre-treatment for greasy clothes.

Tim, Pittsburgh, PA, USA

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[RBW] Re: Creak/Squeak on brand new bike!

[Alex K]

I had the same issue with my brand new Clem L about a month ago.  Popped by 
RBW and they recommended (and let me use a skosch) a product I believe they 
called FRICTION GREASE.  Problem solved.  And thank you Grant, Will and 
James.  It was driving me batty!!
On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 5:20:53 PM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Oh man...the sound in her video is EXACTLY what I'm dealing with. I've 
> regreased the stem thoroughly already so I'll try a little bit of oil on 
> the interface. 
>
> Thank you!
> -Ben
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:10:21 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/handlebar$20squeaking%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/FHIW1F5qAE0/n7p8kSgXBQA
>> J
>>
>> Might find some answers in that thread.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 7:54:10 PM UTC-4, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>>
>>> Good evening,
>>> I'm head over heels for my new Atlantis, but I do have an issue. I'll 
>>> call Rivendell tomorrow if I can find time during lunch if I can't get this 
>>> figured out.
>>>
>>> So I'm getting a creak/squeak when I ride and put any pressure on the 
>>> handlebars (Choco bars on a Nitto tallux). I went on my first right last 
>>> evening, and I thought the sound was pebbles, debris in my fenders). I have 
>>> not tried anything too crazy, but here is why I think it's in the point 
>>> where the bar is clamped in the stem.
>>>
>>> 1. When I loosen the bolt that holds the handlebar in place and ride (in 
>>> an empty parking lot by my house), the sound goes away. 
>>>
>>> 2. When I put my hands on the handlebar next to the stem, the sound goes 
>>> away.
>>>
>>> 3. When I tighten the bolt, it makes a very similar (possibly the same) 
>>> creaking noise.
>>>
>>> 4. I thought it was my cork grips...I have noticed that there doesn't 
>>> seem to be any adhesive towards the end of the handle bar and they do move 
>>> and squeak a little when I gently twist, but it's a different squeak. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anyone who's seen/heard something like this and has something 
>>> to try? Is this something that will just "break-in"? All I've done to it is 
>>> install it.  I appreciate any thoughts or advice you have and would happily 
>>> answer clarifying questions. 
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie?/Threadless Weight vs Quill Weight?

[John Johnson]

I totally agree with Leah; dudes should ride bikes with girl names too!
At the same time...Clem is short for Clémence, Clementine, or Clément. I do 
have several friends named Clementine that go by "Clem" (I live in France, 
Clementine is a common name here).

la bise,

john

On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 4:32:57 PM UTC+1 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Almost always a Riv frame purchase comes with a headset, so make sure they 
> know you have one already.  If a headset is included, they may offer to 
> give it to you separately uninstalled for future use, or maybe they'd do a 
> gentleman's buy-back for you, and allow you to grab something else you 
> need.  
>
> Congrats!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 7:29:33 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
>>
>> I am triple digits beyond the weight limit, so I went with the Gus. The 
>> big question for me was the frame size. I am 6' and 83 PBH so I could have 
>> gone M or L. I would usually have gone L because of my long torso, but I 
>> wanted to keep as much clearance to the TT as possible so I went M, I also 
>> wanted 650B x 2.8.
>>
>> I have been buying parts in anticipation of the Gus for a while. I have a 
>> Crust LD stem and 1-1/8 IRD roller bearing headset for the threadless 
>> forks, as well as Jones bars. It will be 1X gearing with a White Ind. 
>> crank. 48 spoke Cliffhangers.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Joe Appaloosa 58cm $2300

[getjosh...@gmail.com]

I forgot, it will also come with a classic zefal pump that fits perfectly 
between the two top tubes. 

On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 12:12:00 PM UTC-4 getjosh...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. Built in 2017 and in excellent condition. 
> Includes some nice upgrades including dynamo hub, light, fenders, rack, 
> basket, and bullmoose bars.  It has minor signs of usage.
>
> Most of the pictures are with the original Bullmoose bars, the last pic 
> shows it with billy bars just to show some different options for the bike. 
> It's a fantastic bike and rides like a cadillac but also keeps up on quick 
> read or gravel rides.  It currently has cork grips that are not glued on. 
>  It also has a silver shifter on the right side, but will include both 
> original shifters.  It will include the blue riv/wald basket bag as well. 
> The brooks saddle will not be included, it's broken in and fits me.  
>
> 58cm
> Color: Silver
> Headset: FSA Duron x sealed
> BB: simian UN-55
> Crankset: Silver 43/35/24
> Brakes: Tektro 857 AL V-brakes
> Levers: Tektro ML250RS
> Rims: Alex 700c DM18, 36h 
> Spokes: Sha DAR Pillar 14/15g stainless with colored nipples
> Tires: kinda kwick 700x45mm
> Shifters: Sunrise SLM96RF/LF
> Stem/Bars: Nitto Nitto Bullmoose bar
> Fenders: SKS Commuter II
> Rack: Nitto Marks Rack M1 with Wald Basket
> Light: Schmidt Edelux II
>
> Price is $2300 shipped to CONUS. 
>
> Shoot me a message if you'd like any more pictures. 
> [image: 00808_j4RM45tlQNe_0jm0ew_600x450.jpg]
> [image: 01515_1q0YURK0NiY_0jm0ew_600x450.jpg]
> [image: 00X0X_81GlSePlBWw_0ew0jm_600x450.jpg]
> [image: 00I0I_9Q7aP44GcY1_0jm0ew_600x450.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: New 700C Cliffhanger Wheelset

[Grady Wright]

They are not machined 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> machined rims?
> -Kai
> 
>> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 12:59:30 PM UTC-4 gre...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Selling a brand new cliffhanger wheelset.
>> - Rims: Silver
>>  -32h front and Rear
>> -Deore hubs.
>> Asking $485 + Shipping
>> 
>>  Built by Rich at Hands on Wheels/Rivendell. 
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: New 700C Cliffhanger Wheelset

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

machined rims?
-Kai

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 12:59:30 PM UTC-4 gre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Selling a brand new cliffhanger wheelset.
> - Rims: Silver
>  -32h front and Rear
> -Deore hubs.
> Asking $485 + Shipping
>
>  Built by Rich at Hands on Wheels/Rivendell. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Paul Clifton]

I'm with Brett and others here. I think the keyword on the ACLU link is 
discrimination. It would definitely depend on the specific wording in the 
law, but I reckon a white person would have to prove they were 
discriminated against, which would give the court or judge some leeway to 
consider the specific circumstances. I doubt its going to cause them a 
problem. Grant talks about that a bit in the blahg post too.

My favorite part of the announcement on the blahg:
"If we go broke because those who use the flag or God as an invisibility 
cloak for their white nationalism stop patronizing us, we'll have a "mixed 
feelings moment," roll down the roll-up door one final time, and move on."

I'm pretty sure Grant has thought this through well enough to know where he 
stands, and we can all feel however we feel about it.

Paul in AR

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 1:55:25 PM UTC-5 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:

> "Ladies Night" or a senior discount are both given based on an immutable 
> characteristic, yet are common. As Bill notes "positive discrimination" 
> such as race or sex based scholarships are allowable. I'm not convinced 
> this illegal. 
>
> Grant and Co are certainly intelligent enough to have considered this 
> possibility and either determined it was allowable or decided the chances 
> of a legal challenge were low enough not to worry about. They don't need 
> all of us giving them pro bono legal advice! (Not that it isn't a fun thing 
> to discuss). 
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Doug pointed out discounts are common.  
>>
>> That's totally true, but I think the distinction Michael Gordon was 
>> making is that none of your example discounts are granted based on race, 
>> ethnicity or national origin.  
>>
>> The example I would give is this:  I'm Norwegian-American.  There is a 
>> college scholarship for which I can apply that is earmarked for 
>> Norwegian-American applicants.  I could hypothetically apply for that 
>> scholarship.  If I get the scholarship, I could turn around and sue the 
>> organization that gave it to me on the basis of the quote on the ACLU 
>> website.  It's a benefit that is granted based on my ethnicity.  
>>
>> Similarly, the person who takes RBW to court would need to apply for the 
>> BRP discount, get the discount, and then sue RBW for giving them a 
>> discount.  It would be a strange motivation to sue Rivendell Bicycle Works, 
>> but I think the strict interpretation of the law may mean there's an 
>> argument to be had, and I think the outcome of that argument could be 
>> really good.  
>>
>> I don't think there is a grounds upon which an aggrieved consumer could 
>> sue Rivendell Bicycle Works because they had to pay normal price.  You'd 
>> have to get the discount to have a case.  
>>
>> I don't think the spirit of the law prohibits a private business from 
>> electing to pay reparations.  I'll talk it over with my JD friends.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding of BRP is that it is a *discount* off the list price.  
>>> These are given routinely in retail.  When I got to the grocery store, I'm 
>>> given a discount because we are members of their discount program.  Cutting 
>>> coupons can also yield a discount off the list price.  My local bicycle 
>>> club has a discount arrangement with some shops.  Adventure Cycling has a 
>>> list price for maps and a discount for members. Gas stations have differing 
>>> prices for cash & credit card. Qualifications for discounts seem to be 
>>> determined by the vendor.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 10:33:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Michael Gordon pointed out that BRP is illegal.  

 Excellent point, and welcome back!  I'm still glad they are doing it.  
 If somebody sues RBW and BRP is brought before a judge, I will be really 
 interested to hear both sides of the argument.  Better yet though, I hope 
 85 people get a helpful discount on fun bikes.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7 Michael G wrote:

> Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
> discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.
>
>
> https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/
>
> "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, 
> ethnicity, or national origin."
>


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[RBW] Re: Cycling Increased during Pandemic

[aeroperf]

When I lived in Germany there were essentially two kinds of bars.
The drops were used by the “kids” on fast road bikes, and some guys in my 
long range touring group.
The Albatross style was used by almost everybody else, from 12 year old 
school kids to grey-haired Bavarian ladies in full wool coats with two 
cases of beer on the back rack.
There were a few who used what looked like Soma Osprey bars with vertical 
end posts, but not many.

When I asked, the touring guys told me that some liked the more upright 
riding position, while others liked the multiple hand positions of the 
drops.

I had a straight bar hybrid bike.  When they asked why the straight bar, I 
could only say “That’s the way it came”.  I had multiple offers to “fix 
that”.


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[RBW] Re: sram bar end+ Xt rear derallure

[Bill Lindsay]

Short answer, no it won't.  The longer answer on 'what would it take to 
make it work', would depend on exactly what models of everything you have.  
"XT" is not specific enough.  Read the number off the backside of the 
parallelogram.  For example if you have an M751-SGS, then the best thing 
would probably be to buy a new set of 9-speed shimano bar ends (or just the 
right one, if you can find it).  Depending on the exact combo of things you 
have, there may be a JTEK travel adjuster or similar setup that could make 
it work.  JTEK Shiftmate has a huge compatibility chart for your specific 
stuff.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 1:44:25 PM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

> will sram 9s bar end work with a XT rear derailleur ? my 9s shimano bar 
> end shift wont work on index so im thinking of swapping, the original bar 
> end was installed incorrectly and as a result lost its index feature. any 
> on that as well would be appreciated.
>
> thanks!
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[RBW] Re: WTB Shimano Dura Ace 7900 10sp DT shifters

[Andrew Turner]

Found! Thanks everyone. 

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Opening up the search to 9 speed dura ace indexed DT shifters too. What 
> were those 7700? 7800? 
>
> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 10:45:49 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> I know, I know, friction is way better but I'd still be interested in 
>> purchasing a set of index 10 speed Dura Ace downtube shifters if anyone's 
>> holding. 
>>
>> andyreedturner at gmail dot com 
>>
>> Cheers! 
>> Andrew
>>
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Re: [RBW] sram bar end+ Xt rear derallure

[Sam Perez]

appreciate the quick response. thanks

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 1:49 PM Nikko Mendoza 
wrote:

> I don’t believe so, because the SRAM bar ends use this exact actuation
> technology stuff proprietary to their derailleurs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Sam Perez  wrote:
>
> 
> will sram 9s bar end work with a XT rear derailleur ? my 9s shimano bar
> end shift wont work on index so im thinking of swapping, the original bar
> end was installed incorrectly and as a result lost its index feature. any
> on that as well would be appreciated.
>
> thanks!
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Re: [RBW] sram bar end+ Xt rear derallure

[Nikko Mendoza]

I don’t believe so, because the SRAM bar ends use this exact actuation 
technology stuff proprietary to their derailleurs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Sam Perez  wrote:
> 
> 
> will sram 9s bar end work with a XT rear derailleur ? my 9s shimano bar end 
> shift wont work on index so im thinking of swapping, the original bar end was 
> installed incorrectly and as a result lost its index feature. any on that as 
> well would be appreciated.
> 
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[RBW] sram bar end+ Xt rear derallure

[Sam Perez]

will sram 9s bar end work with a XT rear derailleur ? my 9s shimano bar end
shift wont work on index so im thinking of swapping, the original bar end
was installed incorrectly and as a result lost its index feature. any on
that as well would be appreciated.

thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wheelset advice sought (and WTB)

[Toshi Takeuchi]

You can drop down from Bill's Velocity quill to Velocity A23 rims and still
have a nice wheelset and save a little more.  I use A23s on my Roadeo.

Toshi in Oakland, CA

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 12:09 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> The ultimate I think is what I have on my Sam:
>
> HED Belgium C2 Plus rims
> White Industries MI5 rear hub
> Dynamo front hub of your choice
>
> That would be about an $800 wheelset all-new, but it's perfect for a light
> Sam build.  If I had to try to get close on a budget, I'd substitute
> Shimano M737 hubs from ebay, and Velocity Quill rims.  Then you could get
> it done for around $400 or so.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 11:24:53 AM UTC-7 Erik Wright wrote:
>
>> Hey bunch,
>>
>> I recently sold my Roadini and so my Sam H has taken the reins as my drop
>> bar road bike. Until this week it'd been my fendered, basketed, dynamo'd,
>> Choco bar'd townie, but a Mercier Kilo WT fixed gear has taken over that
>> slot through the upcoming winter.
>>
>> Riding my Sam this morning definitely felt like I was pushing some
>> weight. I don't expect my Sam to feel as nimble and snappy as the Roadini
>> did, but I think it could certainly lose some weight. Based on what I've
>> learned over the years, it sounds like the wheelset is the easiest place to
>> make a noticeable difference. I'm currently running a Rich-built Atlas rear
>> wheel (unsure of the hub) and a Shimano dynamo'd Dyad in the front, with
>> 700x44 Snoqualmie Pass standard casing tires. Seems like a pretty hefty
>> wheelset (especially for my 150lb self) that makes sense for the
>> commutery/touring build, and maybe it still makes sense for a more
>> road-oriented build, but I'm curious to hear some thoughts.
>>
>> What wheelset (hub/rim combo) would you recommend for a Sam that's going
>> to see 80% pavement, 20% rougher stuff/gravel, carry *light* 5-10lb loads
>> from time to time, and likely run 700x38 tires (to leave the option open
>> for fenders)?
>>
>> If you've got something in your parts bin that fits the bill, send me a
>> PM. If buying used, I'd like to spend something in the $200 range (flexible
>> based on tubeless ready/dynamo/etc).
>>
>> Maybe I should just cut off the second top tube to shave grams? Maybe
>> then it'd plane
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>>
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[RBW] Re: Comparing drop bars to uprights: Path Less Pedaled

[Ben Mihovk]

Russ actually bought that Sam...so no longer a test bike :)

For three whole days now, I've ridden an Atlantis with Chocos and I really 
like my hands at the ends of the bars. The bike handles like a bus, so the 
"liveliest" hand placement on that bike is not too jumpy or twitchy. 
Plus...I just plod along at Party Pace (as they say on PLP) on pavement. 
It'd probably be more stable with drop bars and able to hold my line better 
in speedy spurts, but I'm not riding in a pack any time soon.


On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 2:04:13 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> PLP has had a test bike from Rivendell for a while now.  It was originally 
> delivered with upright bars.  They recently changed to drops for a head to 
> head test of bars.  Interestingly he liked the drops better, although he's 
> had no complaints about the uprights.  Here's the link:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-yyNxJcF5M
>
> My question is whether anyone has determined a preferred location for 
> hands in relation to the pivot point of the handlebars?  Hands in front, as 
> with drops?  Hands behind, as with uprights?  
>
> What drives the question is my experience with my Atlantis.  I rode it for 
> many years with drops, and was quite pleased with the handling.  However, 
> over a period of years my hands developed numbness after a while on a 
> ride.  I rode primarily on the tops & brake hoods.  While on a trip, using 
> a rental bike with flat bars, I noticed a complete lack of hand numbness.  
> Hopping back on the Atlantis when I got home, the same hand numbness issue 
> was there.  I've tried various upright bars, first with the same 10cm stem 
> I'd always used, then with a dirt drop.  The numbness is long gone but the 
> bike does seem more sensitive to steering input with the uprights vs the 
> drops.  
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?
>
> Doug peterson
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset advice sought (and WTB)

[Bill Lindsay]

The ultimate I think is what I have on my Sam:

HED Belgium C2 Plus rims
White Industries MI5 rear hub
Dynamo front hub of your choice

That would be about an $800 wheelset all-new, but it's perfect for a light 
Sam build.  If I had to try to get close on a budget, I'd substitute 
Shimano M737 hubs from ebay, and Velocity Quill rims.  Then you could get 
it done for around $400 or so.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 11:24:53 AM UTC-7 Erik Wright wrote:

> Hey bunch,
>
> I recently sold my Roadini and so my Sam H has taken the reins as my drop 
> bar road bike. Until this week it'd been my fendered, basketed, dynamo'd, 
> Choco bar'd townie, but a Mercier Kilo WT fixed gear has taken over that 
> slot through the upcoming winter.
>
> Riding my Sam this morning definitely felt like I was pushing some weight. 
> I don't expect my Sam to feel as nimble and snappy as the Roadini did, but 
> I think it could certainly lose some weight. Based on what I've learned 
> over the years, it sounds like the wheelset is the easiest place to make a 
> noticeable difference. I'm currently running a Rich-built Atlas rear wheel 
> (unsure of the hub) and a Shimano dynamo'd Dyad in the front, with 700x44 
> Snoqualmie Pass standard casing tires. Seems like a pretty hefty wheelset 
> (especially for my 150lb self) that makes sense for the commutery/touring 
> build, and maybe it still makes sense for a more road-oriented build, but 
> I'm curious to hear some thoughts.
>
> What wheelset (hub/rim combo) would you recommend for a Sam that's going 
> to see 80% pavement, 20% rougher stuff/gravel, carry *light* 5-10lb loads 
> from time to time, and likely run 700x38 tires (to leave the option open 
> for fenders)?
>
> If you've got something in your parts bin that fits the bill, send me a 
> PM. If buying used, I'd like to spend something in the $200 range (flexible 
> based on tubeless ready/dynamo/etc).
>
> Maybe I should just cut off the second top tube to shave grams? Maybe then 
> it'd plane
>
> Erik, Philly
>

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[RBW] Comparing drop bars to uprights: Path Less Pedaled

[dougP]

PLP has had a test bike from Rivendell for a while now.  It was originally 
delivered with upright bars.  They recently changed to drops for a head to 
head test of bars.  Interestingly he liked the drops better, although he's 
had no complaints about the uprights.  Here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-yyNxJcF5M

My question is whether anyone has determined a preferred location for hands 
in relation to the pivot point of the handlebars?  Hands in front, as with 
drops?  Hands behind, as with uprights?  

What drives the question is my experience with my Atlantis.  I rode it for 
many years with drops, and was quite pleased with the handling.  However, 
over a period of years my hands developed numbness after a while on a 
ride.  I rode primarily on the tops & brake hoods.  While on a trip, using 
a rental bike with flat bars, I noticed a complete lack of hand numbness.  
Hopping back on the Atlantis when I got home, the same hand numbness issue 
was there.  I've tried various upright bars, first with the same 10cm stem 
I'd always used, then with a dirt drop.  The numbness is long gone but the 
bike does seem more sensitive to steering input with the uprights vs the 
drops.  

Anyone have any ideas on this?

Doug peterson

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Brett Callahan]

"Ladies Night" or a senior discount are both given based on an immutable 
characteristic, yet are common. As Bill notes "positive discrimination" 
such as race or sex based scholarships are allowable. I'm not convinced 
this illegal. 

Grant and Co are certainly intelligent enough to have considered this 
possibility and either determined it was allowable or decided the chances 
of a legal challenge were low enough not to worry about. They don't need 
all of us giving them pro bono legal advice! (Not that it isn't a fun thing 
to discuss). 

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Doug pointed out discounts are common.  
>
> That's totally true, but I think the distinction Michael Gordon was making 
> is that none of your example discounts are granted based on race, ethnicity 
> or national origin.  
>
> The example I would give is this:  I'm Norwegian-American.  There is a 
> college scholarship for which I can apply that is earmarked for 
> Norwegian-American applicants.  I could hypothetically apply for that 
> scholarship.  If I get the scholarship, I could turn around and sue the 
> organization that gave it to me on the basis of the quote on the ACLU 
> website.  It's a benefit that is granted based on my ethnicity.  
>
> Similarly, the person who takes RBW to court would need to apply for the 
> BRP discount, get the discount, and then sue RBW for giving them a 
> discount.  It would be a strange motivation to sue Rivendell Bicycle Works, 
> but I think the strict interpretation of the law may mean there's an 
> argument to be had, and I think the outcome of that argument could be 
> really good.  
>
> I don't think there is a grounds upon which an aggrieved consumer could 
> sue Rivendell Bicycle Works because they had to pay normal price.  You'd 
> have to get the discount to have a case.  
>
> I don't think the spirit of the law prohibits a private business from 
> electing to pay reparations.  I'll talk it over with my JD friends.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>
>> My understanding of BRP is that it is a *discount* off the list price.  
>> These are given routinely in retail.  When I got to the grocery store, I'm 
>> given a discount because we are members of their discount program.  Cutting 
>> coupons can also yield a discount off the list price.  My local bicycle 
>> club has a discount arrangement with some shops.  Adventure Cycling has a 
>> list price for maps and a discount for members. Gas stations have differing 
>> prices for cash & credit card. Qualifications for discounts seem to be 
>> determined by the vendor.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 10:33:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael Gordon pointed out that BRP is illegal.  
>>>
>>> Excellent point, and welcome back!  I'm still glad they are doing it.  
>>> If somebody sues RBW and BRP is brought before a judge, I will be really 
>>> interested to hear both sides of the argument.  Better yet though, I hope 
>>> 85 people get a helpful discount on fun bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7 Michael G wrote:
>>>
 Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
 discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.


 https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/

 "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, 
 ethnicity, or national origin."

>>>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Bill Lindsay]

Doug pointed out discounts are common.  

That's totally true, but I think the distinction Michael Gordon was making 
is that none of your example discounts are granted based on race, ethnicity 
or national origin.  

The example I would give is this:  I'm Norwegian-American.  There is a 
college scholarship for which I can apply that is earmarked for 
Norwegian-American applicants.  I could hypothetically apply for that 
scholarship.  If I get the scholarship, I could turn around and sue the 
organization that gave it to me on the basis of the quote on the ACLU 
website.  It's a benefit that is granted based on my ethnicity.  

Similarly, the person who takes RBW to court would need to apply for the 
BRP discount, get the discount, and then sue RBW for giving them a 
discount.  It would be a strange motivation to sue Rivendell Bicycle Works, 
but I think the strict interpretation of the law may mean there's an 
argument to be had, and I think the outcome of that argument could be 
really good.  

I don't think there is a grounds upon which an aggrieved consumer could sue 
Rivendell Bicycle Works because they had to pay normal price.  You'd have 
to get the discount to have a case.  

I don't think the spirit of the law prohibits a private business from 
electing to pay reparations.  I'll talk it over with my JD friends.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 11:22:56 AM UTC-7 dougP wrote:

> My understanding of BRP is that it is a *discount* off the list price.  
> These are given routinely in retail.  When I got to the grocery store, I'm 
> given a discount because we are members of their discount program.  Cutting 
> coupons can also yield a discount off the list price.  My local bicycle 
> club has a discount arrangement with some shops.  Adventure Cycling has a 
> list price for maps and a discount for members. Gas stations have differing 
> prices for cash & credit card. Qualifications for discounts seem to be 
> determined by the vendor.  
>
> dougP
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 10:33:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Michael Gordon pointed out that BRP is illegal.  
>>
>> Excellent point, and welcome back!  I'm still glad they are doing it.  If 
>> somebody sues RBW and BRP is brought before a judge, I will be really 
>> interested to hear both sides of the argument.  Better yet though, I hope 
>> 85 people get a helpful discount on fun bikes.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7 Michael G wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
>>> discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/
>>>
>>> "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, 
>>> ethnicity, or national origin."
>>>
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Ash]

I happily contributed to BRP, but after hearing the legality issue, I'm 
hoping they would donate the funds to a good (related) cause instead of 
this program.  Lawyers are expensive and margins are razor thin in bike 
business.

On Friday, 2 October 2020 at 11:25:41 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes it's known as redlining, or in this case would be kind of a reverse 
> redlining. Unless RBW has an army of lawyers on retainer (they don't) this 
> is a well-intentioned bad idea. Reparations would have to be passed by 
> Congress and established into law for this to work. 
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7 Michael G wrote:
>
>> Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
>> discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.
>>
>>
>> https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/
>>
>> "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, ethnicity, 
>> or national origin."
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Joe Bernard]

Yes it's known as redlining, or in this case would be kind of a reverse 
redlining. Unless RBW has an army of lawyers on retainer (they don't) this 
is a well-intentioned bad idea. Reparations would have to be passed by 
Congress and established into law for this to work. 

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7 Michael G wrote:

> Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
> discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.
>
>
> https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/
>
> "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, ethnicity, 
> or national origin."
>

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[RBW] Wheelset advice sought (and WTB)

[Erik Wright]

Hey bunch,

I recently sold my Roadini and so my Sam H has taken the reins as my drop 
bar road bike. Until this week it'd been my fendered, basketed, dynamo'd, 
Choco bar'd townie, but a Mercier Kilo WT fixed gear has taken over that 
slot through the upcoming winter.

Riding my Sam this morning definitely felt like I was pushing some weight. 
I don't expect my Sam to feel as nimble and snappy as the Roadini did, but 
I think it could certainly lose some weight. Based on what I've learned 
over the years, it sounds like the wheelset is the easiest place to make a 
noticeable difference. I'm currently running a Rich-built Atlas rear wheel 
(unsure of the hub) and a Shimano dynamo'd Dyad in the front, with 700x44 
Snoqualmie Pass standard casing tires. Seems like a pretty hefty wheelset 
(especially for my 150lb self) that makes sense for the commutery/touring 
build, and maybe it still makes sense for a more road-oriented build, but 
I'm curious to hear some thoughts.

What wheelset (hub/rim combo) would you recommend for a Sam that's going to 
see 80% pavement, 20% rougher stuff/gravel, carry *light* 5-10lb loads from 
time to time, and likely run 700x38 tires (to leave the option open for 
fenders)?

If you've got something in your parts bin that fits the bill, send me a PM. 
If buying used, I'd like to spend something in the $200 range (flexible 
based on tubeless ready/dynamo/etc).

Maybe I should just cut off the second top tube to shave grams? Maybe then 
it'd plane

Erik, Philly

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[dougP]

My understanding of BRP is that it is a *discount* off the list price.  
These are given routinely in retail.  When I got to the grocery store, I'm 
given a discount because we are members of their discount program.  Cutting 
coupons can also yield a discount off the list price.  My local bicycle 
club has a discount arrangement with some shops.  Adventure Cycling has a 
list price for maps and a discount for members. Gas stations have differing 
prices for cash & credit card. Qualifications for discounts seem to be 
determined by the vendor.  

dougP



On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 10:33:10 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Michael Gordon pointed out that BRP is illegal.  
>
> Excellent point, and welcome back!  I'm still glad they are doing it.  If 
> somebody sues RBW and BRP is brought before a judge, I will be really 
> interested to hear both sides of the argument.  Better yet though, I hope 
> 85 people get a helpful discount on fun bikes.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7 Michael G wrote:
>
>> Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
>> discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.
>>
>>
>> https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/
>>
>> "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, ethnicity, 
>> or national origin."
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini Grilver 54 Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost

[RDS]

Frame has sold.  Thanks!

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-4 Ash wrote:

> I concur with Joe.  It very much feels like a road bike to me.  I used to 
> own a late 80's Bianchi Eros.  It was definitely a pure road bike. 
>  Everything was so skinny on that.. tubing, rim, tires, cranks..  Now I 
> have a 2016 Raleigh Record Ace, a road bike as well.  A month ago I picked 
> up a Roadini frame because(a)  it was on sale  (b) I just love the looks of 
> this silver bike with all shiny silver components.  I sort of built it as a 
> showpiece, but now I end up grabbing it for every other ride.  It rides as 
> lively as the other road bikes I have been on.  Except, I feel like Roadini 
> is a bit comfier.  After riding Joe, Atlantis and Susie, it feels like 
> Roadini can only run.  It can't walk :)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 13:40:01 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I don't know which current bikes you have or what you picture as a "pure 
>> road" bike so I'll provide my experience: I have two 650B Rivs with cantis 
>> or v-brakes built pretty stout (Bombadil and Riv Custom), and used to have 
>> a 54cm Roadini. I consider the Roadini with 700 x 33.3 Jack Browns a 
>> livelier, lighter road bike and highly recommend it for bombing around town 
>> at a fast clip. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:01:22 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I don't have a "pure road" bike. I've got a 650b all road and a road 
>>> touring bike. Thoughts from the group on if this would be good to have as 
>>> my only "pure road" bike? 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 10:09:32 AM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>>>
 Brakes are sold.

 On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:51:50 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:

> Also for sale, Shimano Brakes BR-R451  - $35 shipped to continental 
> USA.
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:44:27 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>
>> For sale is a size 54 Grilver Roadini 
>> Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost.  Purchased in Oct 2019 (from Rivelo I 
>> think).  Less than 500 miles on the frame.  The included BB is Shimano 
>> BBUN55 113mm.  The worst scratches is on the top tube where the bike 
>> rack 
>> arm pushed down on the cable onto the top tube (see pics) & where the FD 
>> was located.  I will have the frame packed by REI.  Ships from Georgia.  
>> Asking $600 shipped to continental USA.  Contact offlist if interested.  
>> Paypal for payment unless we can work out another arrangement.  
>> Pics:  
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8?usp=sharing
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Bill Lindsay]

Michael Gordon pointed out that BRP is illegal.  

Excellent point, and welcome back!  I'm still glad they are doing it.  If 
somebody sues RBW and BRP is brought before a judge, I will be really 
interested to hear both sides of the argument.  Better yet though, I hope 
85 people get a helpful discount on fun bikes.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7 Michael G wrote:

> Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
> discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.
>
>
> https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/
>
> "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, ethnicity, 
> or national origin."
>

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[RBW] FS: New 700C Cliffhanger Wheelset

[Grady Wright]

Selling a brand new cliffhanger wheelset.
- Rims: Silver
 -32h front and Rear
-Deore hubs.
Asking $485 + Shipping

 Built by Rich at Hands on Wheels/Rivendell. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Cycling Increased during Pandemic

[Patrick Moore]

Drop bars are perfect for daily biking!

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ash  wrote:

> ...Here's I mostly see drops bars and straight bar MTBs out on the roads.
> Neither is very convenient for day to day biking.
>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Michael Gordon]

Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/

"you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, ethnicity, 
or national origin."

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[RBW] Re: Cycling Increased during Pandemic

[Ash]

It is interesting how all those bikes in the picture have an Albatross like 
bar and bikes almost look like a Riv!

Here's I mostly see drops bars and straight bar MTBs out on the roads. 
 Neither is very convenient for day to day biking.

On Friday, 2 October 2020 at 07:07:37 UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> Just read this article:
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54353914
>

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[RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[Ash]

Very nice bike Sky.  Sounds like a fun project too.

While most electric bikes are not as much fun to ride as a Riv, some peddle 
assist does have real use.  If I ever end up having a 10-15 miles commute, 
I'd definitely consider converting my Susie to electric.  I love the 
simplicity of a normal bike.  I also love biking 10-15 miles with pure 
muscle power.  In reality, I'd probably end up driving more often than not, 
due to time constraints, needing to shower when I get to work etc.  An 
e-bike solves those problems.  When there are dozen of traffic lights/stop 
signs along the way, any quicker acceleration after every stop quickly adds 
up and shortens the commute time considerably.  If used wisely, 
peddle-assist makes the ride safer too.  I would not be lazy to slow down 
in iffy conditions (such as a car looking to enter the road, stop signs), 
because there's not much effort to regain the speed!

Enjoy your e-Sam!

On Wednesday, 30 September 2020 at 12:19:43 UTC-7 Sky Coulter wrote:

> I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I have 
> been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one I 
> would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.  
> And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of 
> 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with a 
> bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could 
> separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on 
> the experiment.
>
> In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on 
> the way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I 
> ride my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too 
> long (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I 
> have the peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance 
> level on the bike and take it easy.  
>
> In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60 
> for my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming 
> to think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of 
> sense as alternative transportation devices.  
>
> Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this 
> morning.  At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but now 
> I find myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w three 
> different handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache, 
> clementine=choco-moose).
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>   
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini Grilver 54 Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost

[Ash]

I concur with Joe.  It very much feels like a road bike to me.  I used to 
own a late 80's Bianchi Eros.  It was definitely a pure road bike. 
 Everything was so skinny on that.. tubing, rim, tires, cranks..  Now I 
have a 2016 Raleigh Record Ace, a road bike as well.  A month ago I picked 
up a Roadini frame because(a)  it was on sale  (b) I just love the looks of 
this silver bike with all shiny silver components.  I sort of built it as a 
showpiece, but now I end up grabbing it for every other ride.  It rides as 
lively as the other road bikes I have been on.  Except, I feel like Roadini 
is a bit comfier.  After riding Joe, Atlantis and Susie, it feels like 
Roadini can only run.  It can't walk :)



On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 13:40:01 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't know which current bikes you have or what you picture as a "pure 
> road" bike so I'll provide my experience: I have two 650B Rivs with cantis 
> or v-brakes built pretty stout (Bombadil and Riv Custom), and used to have 
> a 54cm Roadini. I consider the Roadini with 700 x 33.3 Jack Browns a 
> livelier, lighter road bike and highly recommend it for bombing around town 
> at a fast clip. 
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:01:22 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So I don't have a "pure road" bike. I've got a 650b all road and a road 
>> touring bike. Thoughts from the group on if this would be good to have as 
>> my only "pure road" bike? 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 10:09:32 AM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>>
>>> Brakes are sold.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:51:50 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>>>
 Also for sale, Shimano Brakes BR-R451  - $35 shipped to continental USA.

 On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:44:27 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:

> For sale is a size 54 Grilver Roadini Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost.  
> Purchased in Oct 2019 (from Rivelo I think).  Less than 500 miles on the 
> frame.  The included BB is Shimano BBUN55 113mm.  The worst scratches is 
> on 
> the top tube where the bike rack arm pushed down on the cable onto the 
> top 
> tube (see pics) & where the FD was located.  I will have the frame packed 
> by REI.  Ships from Georgia.  Asking $600 shipped to continental USA.  
> Contact offlist if interested.  Paypal for payment unless we can work out 
> another arrangement.  
> Pics:  
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8?usp=sharing
>


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sam Hillborne 57/58 cm

[greenteadrinkers]

Just noticed a Sam on eBay that might meet what your looking for: 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-lugged-steel-frame-for-sidepull-centerpull-brakes-56cm/254732548175?hash=item3b4f3e384f:g:DLIAAOSwQSBfckIE

On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 2:17:12 PM UTC-4 Todd G. wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve been lurking around the group for a while and have very much been 
> enjoying all the great content. I’m working on consolidating my stable a 
> bit. Too much overlap between bikes, and I also have a custom 
> Allroad/Randonneur coming sometime around February of 2021. I’m not beyond 
> waiting for Riv to get the SH back in stock in October, but figured I would 
> test the waters here prior to see what may be available.
>
> I really like the orange/burnt orange with the cream headtube, the 
> black/cream, Sage and Porsche green versions. It will probably alternate 
> between Nitto Albatross bars or Noodles with a front basket, with 38 or 
> 43/44c tires, depending on what type of riding I’m going to be doing.
>
> If you have something that fits the bill, please reach out and lets talk. 
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: September Blow Out

[lukeheller]

I'll take the Shimano M324 pedals with powergrips if still available

On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 12:36:45 PM UTC-4 Corwin wrote:

> Hi Again -
>
> The pedals fell out. Here's what's left:
>
> 1) MKS Track Pedals. In great shape. Lots of miles left. $15 Shipped.
>
> 2) Shimano M324 Pedals. Includes the Power Grips attached. These are SPD 
> pedals on one side, accommodate street shoes on the other. There is an SPD 
> cleat stuck in one pedal. A great pair of pedals at a rock bottom price in 
> exchange for your removing the cleat. $5 Shipped.
>
> 3) 18 tooth fixed gear cog $5 Shipped.
>
> 4) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. In fantastic shape. Never 
> mounted. Yours for $5 Shipped (each).
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 6:51:50 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Corwin I sent payment on the Nitto stems not realizing they were 26.0 
>> clamp. I'd like to actually pass on these if it's not too late.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Pat
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 5:35:14 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>
>>> PM sent on shifters.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 3:31:27 AM UTC-4, Corwin wrote:

 Hi -

 In spite of the virus, the fires, etc., 2020 has been really good for 
 me. I seem to accumulate lots of parts. I have no room for them. So I want 
 to send them to you! All prices below include shipping.

 1) Silver friction levers mated to Shimano bar end pods. These are in 
 great shape and have lots of miles left in them. These are the original 
 Silver shifters - not the second generation recently released. $10 shipped.

 2) Nitto Campee Rack. Not sure which rack this is - but it came off the 
 front of my son's SimpleOne. $10 shipped.

 3) MKS Track Pedals. Great, inexpensive, durable pedals. Also in great 
 shape. $15 shipped.

 4) Vittoria 700c x 25/32mm tubes. $5 shipped for both.

 5) Shimano Flat Bar Brake Levers. In great shape. $10 shipped.

 6) Park Spanners. 13, 14 and 15mm. One each. $5 shipped for all three.

 7) Lumotec IQ Headlight. Plenty of wire here. Was mounted to the Nitto 
 rack above. Most of the wire ran to the tail light.

 8) Velocity Quick Release Skewer. Came on my Hubbuhubbuh. I think the 
 OLD is 140mm.

 9) Tail Light. This went with the Lumotec IQ above. $2 shipped.

 10) Third Hand Tool. A piece of ancient history. I used to clamp my 
 brakes together with this thing to get cable slack, etc. $2 shipped.

 11) Couple of sidepull brakes. A Shimano 600 "standard" reach, and a 
 short reach brake. Not sure where these came from. Throwing in the lever 
 in 
 the picture as well $5 shipped for both.

 12) Skewers from Schmidt Dynohubs. These take and allen wrench. $2 
 shipped for both.

 13) Riese and Müller Handlebar Mount for Dynamo Light. In great shape. 
 Used sparingly. $2 shipped.

 14) Ritchey 10 and 12cm Threadless Stems. These have two-bolt 
 faceplates. Not sure about the rise. $10 shipped each.

 15) Nitto UI-5GX Threadless Stems. These are some of the most elegant 
 stems anywhere. Four bolt faceplates. $15 shipped each.

 16) 18 tooth cog for your fixed gear. Not much wear on this one. Came 
 off my son's fixed gear before he rode it. $2 shipped.

 17) Nitto R Bottle Cages. These are the light ones. Very sleek and 
 elegant. The solid ones - not the hollow ones. $20 shipped each.

 18) Giant Threadless Stem. Not as pretty as the others - but it's a 
 long one: 13cm. Two bolt faceplate. $5 shipped.

 Photos here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yQCgqV1kruueocWP8

 If any of you are in the SF Bay Area and want to come to my house in 
 Richmond, California to pick up one or more items, I will happily give 
 them 
 to you gratis for saving me the time, money and hassle of shipping them.

 And if you want to send me money via Paypal - please use czech "at" 
 sonic.net.

 Namaste,


 Corwin

>>>

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[RBW] Cycling Increased during Pandemic

[James Valiensi]

Just read this article:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54353914

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[RBW] Redline Monocog 29er [Platypus: First Look]

[Patrick Moore]

Dick break, yes, and I will post photos, but not under the Platypus heading!

I owned a 2010 model (the one traded is 2012, I think, so similar -- the
later ones have slacker heads and steeper seat tubes) and it was a great
deal of fun. I'd converted it to drops (Salsa Bell Laps) but may well keep
this one with an upright bar of some sort, if I can find one that doesn't
hurt my left palm. And I hope to have 3" tires on it. A tank, but a fun
tank!

Someone offered me a Pugsley in trade (didn't you stop by once with your
Pugsley?) but only after I'd made the deal with the owner of the Monocog.




On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 9:20 PM masmojo  wrote:

> ... Patrick, the Redline Monocog is a great bike and I've very nearly
> bought one on a couple occasions; probably would have were it not for the
> fact I've got a half dozen very similar bikes already.
>
> Great simple bikes for just getting out and exploring/ cruising.
>
> I assume you are getting the Dick brake version?
> You will post pictures correct?
>

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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Ray]

Good read, Scott. Thank you for sharing. 

Seeing the video of him embedded in the piece reminded me of this piece by 
Coates which I personally believe is essential reading on the subject: 
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

Ray

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 5:23:59 PM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Just came across this article in WashPo a few mins. ago, examines some of 
> the history of slavery in CA and what reparations might look like.
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/10/01/california-slavery-reparations/
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-4 Trenker wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't a white racist just pocket the money? 
>>
>
>> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 4:21:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Towards Doug's very kind suggestion let me add this product that 
>>> Rivendell Bicycle Works now sells on rivbike.com:
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/brp-contribution
>>>
>>> If you like the program, consider buying that product.  If you don't, 
>>> then don't.  Easy peasy.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 1:09:55 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>>
 One way to support this effort is to donate any unused Rivendollars to 
 the program.  Over the years, many of us have donated to RBW based on 
 using 
 these as store credits.  I for one have still got some, and I know others 
 who were willing to give theirs to someone else.  Even though old 
 Rivendollars don't help their cash flow, they could assist in "balancing 
 the books" by being applied to this worthy effort.  

 I've already told Grant to use mine as he wishes, and call on others to 
 pass yours along too.  

 Doug Peterson

 On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement 
> makes 
> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[Sky Coulter]

Its the r15.

https://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/BANIR15/nitto-r15-rear-bag-supporter-rack

Sold out at that link, but available at:

https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-r15-rear-rack-rear-mount-rack-nitto-r15-870/p

Thanks for the kind words. Good luck on your project!

Sky in new west

> On Oct 2, 2020, at 4:36 AM, Steven Sweedler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nitto R-15
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 7:14 AM brendonoid  wrote:
>> That is one handsome electric bike! May I please enquire as to the exact 
>> Nitto model number for that fantastic rear rack? Somehow I have never seen 
>> that model before and it is exactly what I am after for a current project.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 07:01:36 UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>> I've built a few eRivs, they're great fun and very useful. The extra juice 
>>> is why those bars will work for you, it makes you want to lean forward over 
>>> the front of the bike more. Enjoy!
>>> 
 On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:19:43 PM UTC-7 Sky Coulter wrote:
 I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I have 
 been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one I 
 would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.  
 And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of 
 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with 
 a bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could 
 separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on 
 the experiment.
 
 In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on 
 the way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I 
 ride my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too 
 long (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I 
 have the peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance 
 level on the bike and take it easy.  
 
 In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60 
 for my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming 
 to think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of 
 sense as alternative transportation devices.  
 
 Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this 
 morning.  At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but 
 now I find myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w 
 three different handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache, 
 clementine=choco-moose).
 
 Sky in new west
 
 
 
   
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[Steven Sweedler]

Nitto R-15

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 7:14 AM brendonoid  wrote:

> That is one handsome electric bike! May I please enquire as to the exact
> Nitto model number for that fantastic rear rack? Somehow I have never seen
> that model before and it is exactly what I am after for a current project.
>
>
> On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 07:01:36 UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I've built a few eRivs, they're great fun and very useful. The extra
>> juice is why those bars will work for you, it makes you want to lean
>> forward over the front of the bike more. Enjoy!
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:19:43 PM UTC-7 Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>>> I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I
>>> have been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one
>>> I would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.
>>> And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of
>>> 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with a
>>> bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could
>>> separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on
>>> the experiment.
>>>
>>> In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on
>>> the way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I
>>> ride my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too
>>> long (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I
>>> have the peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance
>>> level on the bike and take it easy.
>>>
>>> In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60
>>> for my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming
>>> to think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of
>>> sense as alternative transportation devices.
>>>
>>> Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this
>>> morning.  At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but now
>>> I find myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w three
>>> different handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache,
>>> clementine=choco-moose).
>>>
>>> Sky in new west
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Garth]

You are that you are. That you are is what and who you are. The 
undeniable and irrefutable fact Being . That  you are.  That 
... this is.. and this glorious fact  Being . 

...against which no opposition exists or could seem to exist . for 
which no favor exists or could seem to exist.


On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:03:45 PM UTC-4 brettjc...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Wholeheartedly agree, Bill.   I don't need a company to be in lockstep 
> with me  politically to support it, but it's refreshing to feel really, 
> really good about where I spend my discretionary dollars.  I love that Riv 
> is doing this and hope other in the industry follow their lead.  
>
> Cheers, Brett in PDX
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 8:59:05 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Instagram, the Blahg, and maybe an email update have Rivendell Bicycle 
>> Works putting their money where their mouths are.  Their announcement makes 
>> me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell Bicycle Works.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[brendonoid]

That is one handsome electric bike! May I please enquire as to the exact 
Nitto model number for that fantastic rear rack? Somehow I have never seen 
that model before and it is exactly what I am after for a current project.


On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 07:01:36 UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've built a few eRivs, they're great fun and very useful. The extra juice 
> is why those bars will work for you, it makes you want to lean forward over 
> the front of the bike more. Enjoy!
>
> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 12:19:43 PM UTC-7 Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>> I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I 
>> have been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one 
>> I would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.  
>> And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of 
>> 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with a 
>> bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could 
>> separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on 
>> the experiment.
>>
>> In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on 
>> the way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I 
>> ride my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too 
>> long (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I 
>> have the peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance 
>> level on the bike and take it easy.  
>>
>> In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60 
>> for my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming 
>> to think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of 
>> sense as alternative transportation devices.  
>>
>> Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this 
>> morning.  At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but now 
>> I find myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w three 
>> different handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache, 
>> clementine=choco-moose).
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: WTT Cheviot Take-offs (Silver cranks/grips/brooks)

[Manuel Acosta]

Interested in the brooks saddle if its still for sale?
Manny

On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 7:45:07 PM UTC-7 frankie garcia wrote:

> Just purchased a beautiful Cheviot and i seem to have some parts i need 
> traded or sold. 
>
> Silver Crank. Triple 184mm ARMS! -$120 very minty
>   Willing to trade for something with shorter arms. Just needs to be 
> RIVbike like!
> [image: IMG_1624.jpg]
> Brooks Cambium brown- $50
>willing to trade for Rivbike like saddle. Brook or others in leather
> [image: IMG_1625.jpg]
> Ergon grips. very minty. $10
> [image: 5028de30544b3363932f18cc81be2078.jpg]
> Willing to trade or sell IRD shifter stem mount- $40
>   looking for bar shifter mount. single, right.
> [image: IMG_1627.jpg]
>
>
> *Willing to trade for front small racks also. I.E( nitto, velo. )must be 
> silver/chrome*
>
>
>
>  
>

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