date:20230118

Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread Luke Hendrickson

Just received them today and made my initial marks/measurements with 
Sharpie and blue painter’s tape. I aim to drill tomorrow and the day after. 
I’d rather take my time than make a mistake and need to start all over. As 
of now, the Flat 65 looks like it needs to be slightly tweaked at the 
kickstand plate in the rear and at the fork to fit. I may reassess and 
change fenders and tires. TBD. 
On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:59:47 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> If you want fenders to actually catch the maximum amount of spray when 
> it's raining and/or the roads are wet, then metal fenders with a rolled 
> edge, a la Honjo or Berthoud, do a better job of minimising the amount of 
> spray that comes out the side of the fenders than do the plastic fenders.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: A report on my new leather saddle

2023-01-18 Thread JAS

Kim,
Way to go!  Congrats on getting the saddle you wanted.  It's always a bonus 
to get a piece of gear that makes riding a pleasure.  Many miles to you!

--Joyce

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yesterday, I received in the mail from a purchase I made from a RBW member 
> a Selle Anotomica H1 black gun metal leather saddle. He gave me a real good 
> deal on it. It had not been ridden with some blemishes on the saddle. This 
> is my first Selle Anatomica saddle. 
>
> My Brooks B67S saddle was hurting my seat bones. Have I become older ? 
> ...or has my butt gotten more bony ? I rode 14 miles last week. I had to 
> stop occasionally and rest. Needless to say, it was very annoying. 
>
> Today, I hung up the Brooks saddle. I installed my Selle Anatomica H1 
> saddle on my PAUL Tall & Handsome seat post. Test rode the saddle to dial 
> it in to my comfort between my garage and up and down the street about six 
> or seven times. 
>
> Guess what ? it truly is a "hammock for my butt" !  
>
> It is quite comfortable. I think I can see myself riding longer distances 
> with more smiles.
>
> Less rain in the forecast for next week. Time to ride more.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Help me ID these bars

2023-01-18 Thread Joe Bernard

Nitto, not Nitti. Every sentence I've typed on every platform today has had 
a typo. I give up! 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:06:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Looks like Riv Nitti Albatross. 
> [image: Screenshot_20230118_200520.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 7:55:02 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> What bars are these?  Thanks in advance.[image: IMG_2177.JPG][image: 
>> IMG_2180.JPG]
>
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[RBW] Re: Help me ID these bars

2023-01-18 Thread Kim Hetzel

I would agree, as well.  Albatross bars. 

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:06:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Looks like Riv Nitti Albatross. 
> [image: Screenshot_20230118_200520.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 7:55:02 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> What bars are these?  Thanks in advance.[image: IMG_2177.JPG][image: 
>> IMG_2180.JPG]
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Parts bin cleanout: Selle Anatomica, cassettes, tires, stems, shifters, etc.

2023-01-18 Thread Andrew Turner

That's a wrap! Thanks all, everything is sold.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 12:08 PM Andrew Turner 
wrote:

> Price decreases:
>
>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $15 each
>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $70
>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $15 for pair
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:08:07 PM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> The parts left for sale are the generic 9 speed cassettes, Threadless
>> stems, and selle saddle.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2023, 4:27 PM Andrew Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> Good catch! I bought these on eBay a little while ago and haven't used
>>> them on a build. They do fall within the recall time period so there's some
>>> risk involved. Honestly if someone wants them for $25 which should easily
>>> cover shipping, that works for me.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 3:12:57 PM UTC-6 Kieran J wrote:
>>>
 I used to have that same Ritchey crank, it was pretty nice. That said,
 this model was the subject of a recall - was this one's left arm replaced
 as part of that?
 https://ritcheylogic.com/blog/wcs-and-pro-crank-voluntary-recall
 Might be good info to include.

 KJ


 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:52:46 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com
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> Price drops:
>
>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $25 each
>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $85
>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 for pair
>- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $85
>- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank
>length: $55
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> XT cassette is sold
>> RH tires, Ritchey crankset, and DA shifters are pending
>>
>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:00:25 PM UTC-6 BobW wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew. I’m interested in the crank set & BB. Please contact me
>>> off list
>>> Thanks!  Bob
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Andrew Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Time to clean it out some. Below's a list of some stuff for sale.
>>> All prices include the cost of shipping. You can see pics here.
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- 9-speed XT cassette 11-34, unused: $65
>>>- 9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $40 each
>>>- Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $100
>>>- 80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 each
>>>- Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $100
>>>- Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass extralight tanwall tires (pair),
>>>unknown mileage but never set up tubeless with all the tread still 
>>> visible
>>>so lots of life left: $100
>>>- Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank
>>>length: $60
>>>
>>>
>>> That's it for now
>>> - Andrew
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[RBW] Re: Help me ID these bars

2023-01-18 Thread Joe Bernard

Looks like Riv Nitti Albatross. 
[image: Screenshot_20230118_200520.jpg]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 7:55:02 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> What bars are these?  Thanks in advance.[image: IMG_2177.JPG][image: 
> IMG_2180.JPG]

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross Bar and Dirt Drop Stem

2023-01-18 Thread Joe Bernard

I agree that grabbing an Albatross and using that box to sell the Tosco is 
the better plan..IF you have stem adjustment left to work with. Alba has 
about half the rise of Tosco. 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 5:56:13 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> That does make sense and I hadn't considered it. Hmmm. I'm thinking 
> cutting a perfectly good handlebar is not the best option. Thanks Joe.
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 8:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Do the Toscos have that thinner section in the ends for bar-ends, or does 
>> it look like the same diameter all the way down to the first curve? If it's 
>> a dedicated section them you'll have to make sure you don't cut too far 
>> into it. (Holler at me on text if this doesn't make sense, I'm probably not 
>> explaining it well) 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 5:30:04 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the responses so far. This evening I had the idea to cut my 
>>> Tosco bars a smidge shorter since they are a smidge too long. Has anyone 
>>> done this and if so would I still be able to use bar-end shifters? My 
>>> assumption is that the bar diameter is consistent at least for the 30 mm or 
>>> so I plan to cut from each end. I'm not sold on this option so if I get a 
>>> deal on an Albatross bar I will go that route and leave the Tosco bars 
>>> unaltered.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 I'm thinking of changing handlebars on my Clem. I really, really like 
 the Tosco bars but they come back a smidge too far and I already have a 
 long stem Nitto Tallux 11 cm. The other change I want to make is to 
 install 
 bar end shifters so with this setup I need the bars a little more forward. 
 I find myself always gripping the Tosco bars a couple of inches forward on 
 the grips. I think the Dirt Drop stem will keep the Albatross bars higher 
 like the Tosco bars and the Albatross give me a more forward position. If 
 you have Albatross and/or a Dirt Drop stem for sale please let me know. 
 Otherwise, I will order new from Rivendell.
 Thanks,
 Doug
 Athens, Ga.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross Bar and Dirt Drop Stem

2023-01-18 Thread Doug H.

That does make sense and I hadn't considered it. Hmmm. I'm thinking cutting
a perfectly good handlebar is not the best option. Thanks Joe.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 8:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Do the Toscos have that thinner section in the ends for bar-ends, or does
> it look like the same diameter all the way down to the first curve? If it's
> a dedicated section them you'll have to make sure you don't cut too far
> into it. (Holler at me on text if this doesn't make sense, I'm probably not
> explaining it well)
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 5:30:04 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the responses so far. This evening I had the idea to cut my
>> Tosco bars a smidge shorter since they are a smidge too long. Has anyone
>> done this and if so would I still be able to use bar-end shifters? My
>> assumption is that the bar diameter is consistent at least for the 30 mm or
>> so I plan to cut from each end. I'm not sold on this option so if I get a
>> deal on an Albatross bar I will go that route and leave the Tosco bars
>> unaltered.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking of changing handlebars on my Clem. I really, really like
>>> the Tosco bars but they come back a smidge too far and I already have a
>>> long stem Nitto Tallux 11 cm. The other change I want to make is to install
>>> bar end shifters so with this setup I need the bars a little more forward.
>>> I find myself always gripping the Tosco bars a couple of inches forward on
>>> the grips. I think the Dirt Drop stem will keep the Albatross bars higher
>>> like the Tosco bars and the Albatross give me a more forward position. If
>>> you have Albatross and/or a Dirt Drop stem for sale please let me know.
>>> Otherwise, I will order new from Rivendell.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Doug
>>> Athens, Ga.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross Bar and Dirt Drop Stem

2023-01-18 Thread Joe Bernard

Do the Toscos have that thinner section in the ends for bar-ends, or does 
it look like the same diameter all the way down to the first curve? If it's 
a dedicated section them you'll have to make sure you don't cut too far 
into it. (Holler at me on text if this doesn't make sense, I'm probably not 
explaining it well) 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 5:30:04 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Thanks for the responses so far. This evening I had the idea to cut my 
> Tosco bars a smidge shorter since they are a smidge too long. Has anyone 
> done this and if so would I still be able to use bar-end shifters? My 
> assumption is that the bar diameter is consistent at least for the 30 mm or 
> so I plan to cut from each end. I'm not sold on this option so if I get a 
> deal on an Albatross bar I will go that route and leave the Tosco bars 
> unaltered.
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking of changing handlebars on my Clem. I really, really like the 
>> Tosco bars but they come back a smidge too far and I already have a long 
>> stem Nitto Tallux 11 cm. The other change I want to make is to install bar 
>> end shifters so with this setup I need the bars a little more forward. I 
>> find myself always gripping the Tosco bars a couple of inches forward on 
>> the grips. I think the Dirt Drop stem will keep the Albatross bars higher 
>> like the Tosco bars and the Albatross give me a more forward position. If 
>> you have Albatross and/or a Dirt Drop stem for sale please let me know. 
>> Otherwise, I will order new from Rivendell.
>> Thanks,
>> Doug
>> Athens, Ga.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Albatross Bar and Dirt Drop Stem

2023-01-18 Thread Doug H.

Thanks for the responses so far. This evening I had the idea to cut my 
Tosco bars a smidge shorter since they are a smidge too long. Has anyone 
done this and if so would I still be able to use bar-end shifters? My 
assumption is that the bar diameter is consistent at least for the 30 mm or 
so I plan to cut from each end. I'm not sold on this option so if I get a 
deal on an Albatross bar I will go that route and leave the Tosco bars 
unaltered.
Doug

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> I'm thinking of changing handlebars on my Clem. I really, really like the 
> Tosco bars but they come back a smidge too far and I already have a long 
> stem Nitto Tallux 11 cm. The other change I want to make is to install bar 
> end shifters so with this setup I need the bars a little more forward. I 
> find myself always gripping the Tosco bars a couple of inches forward on 
> the grips. I think the Dirt Drop stem will keep the Albatross bars higher 
> like the Tosco bars and the Albatross give me a more forward position. If 
> you have Albatross and/or a Dirt Drop stem for sale please let me know. 
> Otherwise, I will order new from Rivendell.
> Thanks,
> Doug
> Athens, Ga.
>

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[RBW] Re: Exploration: Make your own pump peg

2023-01-18 Thread John P. in SF

I made a pump peg for one of my bikes out of an old spoke. The pump was a 
little short for the quick release trick, plus using the quick release 
trick can have the handle of the pump fill up with water in the rain. The 
pump never fell off, even while on rough fire roads.

Link to picture of the 
spoke: 
https://flickr.com/photos/boxdogbikes/8411567035/in/album-72157632624461687/

I also made a little pad to cushion the pump down at the dropout as I had a 
campy head on the pump. 


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Re: [RBW] My First Riv: Clem Smith Jr. L, it's all the way live

2023-01-18 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

So fun to read your almost 2-year-recap of your relationship with this 
Clem. I know how you feel; Clems are great bikes and so comfortable. I was 
so glad when Riv decided Clems would be exclusively step-thrus - it nudged 
a lot of folks towards trying a step-thru for the first time, and I think 
most Clem owners fell in love with that feature. Your Clem screams READY. 
Have a the adventures on it, in perfect comfort and total class. And 
don’t forget to post about them here.

Happy riding!
Leah 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:47:55 PM UTC-5 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Welp, it's been a little under two years and I'm still very much in love 
> with this bike. Dare I say favorite bike ever?  By far my favorite Riv 
> ever; I had an orange Ram and a Toyo Homer since buying the Clem to chase 
> the high but both didn't stick around too long.
> I've enjoyed countless miles of big smile casual riding, errand running, 
> and short loaded tours. In summation this bike shines because of how 
> versatile it is. I've ridden other bikes with "do it all" intentions (cross 
> bike w/ racks) but the handling had much to be desired; far too responsive 
> on the front end and too uncomfortable/sketchy when loaded on the rear end. 
> Clem L fulfills the ability to be loaded and ride well. I really don't have 
> any interest in drop bar touring bikes at any capacity while I have Clem L.
> Anywho, I just wanted to check in and share some iterations of the build, 
> currently with a 1x12 transmission! I had a low-normal XT for a short time 
> which was totally acceptable and novel. I think the best upgrade or change 
> was the Sim Works Fun Bar 3 (RIP Terry Hall), I can't imagine going back to 
> a bosco-type cockpit. If you're thinking about Clem L I highly suggest you 
> CLEM IT UP. -Matt
>
> [image: 52632307568_d17dede0d7_c.jpg]
> [image: 51274416243_3a37f1c90e_c.jpg][image: 
> 51273225695_70bd27b36c_c.jpg][image: 
> 52492573337_a65168034f_c (1).jpg][image: 52303354108_fca2254841_c.jpg][image: 
> 52283682710_42d1a82bf8_c.jpg][image: 51963057161_323262246a_c.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread Nick Payne

If you want fenders to actually catch the maximum amount of spray when it's 
raining and/or the roads are wet, then metal fenders with a rolled edge, a 
la Honjo or Berthoud, do a better job of minimising the amount of spray 
that comes out the side of the fenders than do the plastic fenders.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread Patrick Moore

Funny, I have acquired (I won't say "earned") a reputation for fender
expertise, and here I live in a city with a 9" per year citywide average
(5" Westside, 14" foothills).

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:09 AM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patirck,
>
> Killer! Thanks for sharing your experiences with various fenders/materials.
>
> Scott
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:54:41 AM MST, Patrick Moore <
> bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've installed about the same number of metal -- Honjo, VO, Berthoud,
> Kelpie, Wald -- but mostly VO -- and plastic fenders, SKS, Blumel, Zefal,
> Avocet, Planet Bike, etc. Metal ones properly installed are more rigid
> while plastic ones *can* -- but don't always -- rattle from vibration.
> Some metal ones are sturdier than plastic: stainless steel, Wald, 2X gauge
> aluminum Kelpie, but most are more prone to damage than plastic, but only
> very slightly so IME.
>
> Metal ones tend to be longer -- I've had some SKSs and PBs that were
> absurdly short and required 8" or 10" long front mudflaps for full
> coverage. And metal ones almost always IME look better: curves and gaps
> more even, better looking fender and strut materials.
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:27 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> I’ve been using SKS fenders since forever, so I’m very familiar with their
> installation and have lots of spare parts lying around. Are there
> non-aesthetic benefits to metal fenders? I think back to the old Raleigh
> 3-speed I had as a kid, and the fenders on that bike were prone to
> scratches/dings and also made a loud pachinko sound when riding on gravel.
> Have modern boutique metal fenders found a way around these shortcomings?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread DavidP

Like Patrick I've had bikes with plastic/aluminum fenders (SKS and Planet 
Bike) and a few sets of VO metal fenders and would echo his comments. The 
metal fenders weigh less and tend to be/feel more secure, less prone to 
move or rub on things. The plastic fenders are less fussy to install (which 
is part of the reason why the metal fenders tend to look/fit better) and 
come with quick release tabs for the front (PDW makes some for metal 
fenders if you want them).  

With care plastic fenders can be made quite secure as well but when riding 
rough roads or off-road metal fenders stay put better (maybe due to the 
better stays?). Gravel can make noise on both types (it makes noise without 
fenders too, pinging off my bike's tubes).

In terms of coverage - that's more down to the particular fender than the 
material it's made of, but many plastic/aluminum fenders are economy/budget 
focused and skimp on length so Patrick's generalization is fair. The SKS 
Longboard P45s I ran on my commuter for years had great coverage. The Wald 
26" steel cruiser fenders I used on my townie for a a few years were the 
shortest fenders I've used and required long mudflaps to be useful (I 
finally replaced these with VO stainless steel fenders).

Overall I find metal fenders to be a bit more satisfying in look and use.

-Dave

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 3:18:46 PM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I like SKS fenders just fine — they’re easy to install/modify, resilient 
> to incidental contacts, and quiet while underway. They don’t have the sex 
> appeal of something like hammered Honjos, but from a purely functional 
> standpoint they seem more or less unimprovable. Unless I’m missing 
> something?
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Jay,
>
> Thanks for pointing out differences in materials fenders are made of. I'm 
> a fenders virgin, so it's insightful! Definitely a characteristic I'll 
> weigh heavily when I purchase a set.
>
> As a long-time user of SKS fenders, do you have any gripes with them?
>
> Scott 
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:27:34 AM MST, Jay Lonner <
> jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> I’ve been using SKS fenders since forever, so I’m very familiar with their 
> installation and have lots of spare parts lying around. Are there 
> non-aesthetic benefits to metal fenders? I think back to the old Raleigh 
> 3-speed I had as a kid, and the fenders on that bike were prone to 
> scratches/dings and also made a loud pachinko sound when riding on gravel. 
> Have modern boutique metal fenders found a way around these shortcomings?
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Luke, after you get and fuss with them fenders, post the results, please.
>
> Some pictures to go with would be great.
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 07:50:50 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Scott – I ordered the Flat 65 yesterday after some consideration. I hope 
> it’ll arrive by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week at which time I’ll 
> hurriedly mount them. I think minimal modification will be necessary though 
> I worry about reduced coverage due to their shape. 
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 8:41:15 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>
> What did you discover? Did you by chance try the Flat 65?
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
> that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of 
> modification (cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I 
> won’t tolerate is losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head 
> into the shop for the day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see 
> if any of the dimensions of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least 
> I’ll share the mishaps I encounter as I try to push the limits of what the 
> Atlantis can fit with you all. 
>
> David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of 
> those with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I 
> feel pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent 
> rain has left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to 
> regardless of the weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way 
> to make a bike a year round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.
>
> - Luke in rainy, hailing San Francisco
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>
> That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.
>
> Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see 
> if Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in

Re: [RBW] My First Riv: Clem Smith Jr. L, it's all the way live

2023-01-18 Thread luckyturnip

What a great looking, useful bike!On Jan 18, 2023, at 11:47, mm  wrote:Welp, it's been a little under two years and I'm still very much in love with this bike. Dare I say favorite bike ever?  By far my favorite Riv ever; I had an orange Ram and a Toyo Homer since buying the Clem to chase the high but both didn't stick around too long.I've enjoyed countless miles of big smile casual riding, errand running, and short loaded tours. In summation this bike shines because of how versatile it is. I've ridden other bikes with "do it all" intentions (cross bike w/ racks) but the handling had much to be desired; far too responsive on the front end and too uncomfortable/sketchy when loaded on the rear end. Clem L fulfills the ability to be loaded and ride well. I really don't have any interest in drop bar touring bikes at any capacity while I have Clem L.Anywho, I just wanted to check in and share some iterations of the build, currently with a 1x12 transmission! I had a low-normal XT for a short time which was totally acceptable and novel. I think the best upgrade or change was the Sim Works Fun Bar 3 (RIP Terry Hall), I can't imagine going back to a bosco-type cockpit. If you're thinking about Clem L I highly suggest you CLEM IT UP. -Matt<52632307568_d17dede0d7_c.jpg><51274416243_3a37f1c90e_c.jpg><51273225695_70bd27b36c_c.jpg><52492573337_a65168034f_c (1).jpg><52303354108_fca2254841_c.jpg><52283682710_42d1a82bf8_c.jpg><51963057161_323262246a_c.jpg>



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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread Jay Lonner

I like SKS fenders just fine — they’re easy to install/modify, resilient to incidental contacts, and quiet while underway. They don’t have the sex appeal of something like hammered Honjos, but from a purely functional standpoint they seem more or less unimprovable. Unless I’m missing something?Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Jan 18, 2023, at 9:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Jay,Thanks for pointing out differences in materials fenders are made of. I'm a fenders virgin, so it's insightful! Definitely a characteristic I'll weigh heavily when I purchase a set.As a long-time user of SKS fenders, do you have any gripes with them?Scott

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:27:34 AM MST, Jay Lonner wrote:

I’ve been using SKS fenders since forever, so I’m very familiar with their installation and have lots of spare parts lying around. Are there non-aesthetic benefits to metal fenders? I think back to the old Raleigh 3-speed I had as a kid, and the fenders on that bike were prone to scratches/dings and also made a loud pachinko sound when riding on gravel. Have modern boutique metal fenders found a way around these shortcomings?Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Luke, after you get and fuss with them fenders, post the results, please.Some pictures to go with would be great.

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 07:50:50 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Scott – I ordered the Flat 65 yesterday after some consideration. I hope it’ll arrive by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week at which time I’ll hurriedly mount them. I think minimal modification will be necessary though I worry about reduced coverage due to their shape. On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 8:41:15 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
What did you discover? Did you by chance try the Flat 65?

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of modification (cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I won’t tolerate is losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head into the shop for the day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see if any of the dimensions of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least I’ll share the mishaps I encounter as I try to push the limits of what the Atlantis can fit with you all. David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of those with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I feel pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent rain has left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to regardless of the weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way to make a bike a year round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.- Luke in rainy, hailing San FranciscoOn Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see if Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so you should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't really have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.-DaveOn Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) and holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and heavily dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, and remove fender material around the chain stays. Not for the faint of heart but looks possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the dimples just right. There's little question that the fenders will fit over your tires, but on an Atlantis, it will take some work. The problem I would worry about is this, by the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, you may have lost your clearance around the tire at those points. If you remove metal at those edges where it is too tight then the structure of the fender is seriously compromised. I'd go with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 tires for a bike with more clearance (like a

Re: [RBW] Re: Exploration: Make your own pump peg

2023-01-18 Thread Eric Marth

I like these solutions Nick, Kim and Andy. 

Absent a pump peg mount I do think that using the QR skewer is the best, so 
elegant and minimal. I read about that on iBOB and it really got me. Then I 
forgot about it. I'll have to see if I can make that work. 

Wes: It's not necessarily better! It's just an idea I executed to see if it 
would work. I definitely prefer the brazed-on pump peg. That said, there 
might be some interference between the front derailer cable and the pump 
when mounted behind the seat tube. I actually can't tell. Haven't had any 
shifting issues but I can't get a good line of sight and have been too lazy 
to crawl under the bike or flip it over to truly investigate. 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:39:54 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:

> Ingenious solutions all around.
> Full marks!
> k.
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 9:48 PM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> This is cool, Eric - but how is it better than using the pump peg that 
>> was so thoughtfully brazed onto your frame?
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:05:38 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I read Will's post about how to make your own pump peg on the Blug a 
>>> long while back: 
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/185595499869/how-to-make-your-own-pump-pegs
>>>
>>> You take a p-clamp, some spacers and modify a Nitto strut and you've got 
>>> a pump peg somewhere you might not have had one before. Will likes to put 
>>> his in the rear triangle and you'll notice them mounted this way on a lot 
>>> of his bikes.  
>>>
>>> [image: tumblr_inline_pt3zzjpbXk1qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>>> [image: tumblr_inline_pt401jwzC21qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>>>
>>> This is great, I love it, cool hack! But I've always wanted for a 
>>> version that doesn't require tracking down and destroying a Nitto strut. 
>>> Riv HQ is probably awash in Nitto struts and they have em poking out of the 
>>> coffee cans on everyone's desk all over the place. But not so for me, Nitto 
>>> struts are precious few in my shed. 
>>>
>>> I think I came up with the right shape and this weekend I picked up an 
>>> electrical ring terminal in the 10-12 size, yellow sleeve. 
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-17 at 9.56.39 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 
>>> 2023-01-17 at 9.56.44 PM.png]
>>>
>>> Holding the ring end with one pair of pliers you can easily remove the 
>>> yellow sleeve with a second pair of pliers. A pack of 15 is $4.50. If your 
>>> local hardware store has a bulk/loose hardware section you can get one for 
>>> around 55¢ (at least I did). 
>>>
>>> Paired with a 3/8" insulated cable clamp (2 for $2.20), a few serrated 
>>> brake washers, an M5 bolt and a nylock nut I had a fashioned a pump peg. 
>>> Didn't have to cut or shape any metal or destroy any high-end Japanese rack 
>>> struts. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4875.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4874.JPG]
>>>
>>> I have yet to SUPER TEST this out but wanted to share all the same. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cutting tnreadless steer tube

2023-01-18 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne

Personally, I've cut only a few of my own steerer tubes and being tall I've 
even needed to leave several stock length anyway, but one trick I've since 
discovered and applied to my last threadless build was using one of the 
expandable compression bolts/top cap assemblies meant for carbon forks so I 
could do plenty of test fitting and shakedown riding before full commitment 
with cutting & pressing a star fangled nut.  

I also had picked up one of those problem solvers adjustable spacers (two 
halves thread together to adjust overall stack) with the intent of being 
able to use it for headset compression without any top cap.  I'd Install in 
it's shorter state within the stack of spacers and unthread after 
installing the stem and bars for the necessary headset adjustment.  For 
this latter example, I certainly wouldn't plan to do that while leaving 
excess and uncovered steerer jutting above the stem since that just seems 
like an accident waiting to happen but because several of my builds had 
long headtubes/require the long steerer I've often needed to begin with 
stem installation at max height anyway and then test to determine whether 
any cutting is even necessary.  It would work ok in that scenario, I think, 
but that last build I did had a replacement fork with the longest steerer 
I've had to date at 400mm, or maybe even 450mm, so I was able to 
pre-emptively cut those first several cm's off and then went with the 
expandable compression bolt until settled on stem/bar height and was ready 
to set a star fangled nut.

Enjoy your Gus!

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ

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> Richard,
>
> Thanks for starting this thread.
>
> I'm building a Gus, too, and judging by how long the steerer tube is 
> unmounted I think it's likely I'll cut mine down to a more desirable length.
>
> When I make the steerer cut, I'm going to leave enough minimum length 
> above headset stack to allow for use of a stem style like this Discord 
> Chromo Peeper 
>  . 
> This style stem would be a great way to regain bar height, if needed, after 
> cutting steerer.
>
> Discord Chromo Peeper
>
> Discord stems have a theme: short reach, lots of stack. We’re obsessed, an 
> obsession that transcends trends. Tre...
> 
>
> Scott
>
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 05:01:05 AM MST, Richard Rose <
> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Thanks folks. You all have confirmed my own thoughts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> Ed's solution is probably a good guideline. I would add to not be in a 
> hurry to cut it, you may ride it for a while and realize Boscos aren't your 
> thing and will need extra steerer for a lower bar. I would put a bunch of 
> spacers on top and let it be weird for a couple months! 
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 7:40:41 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Perhaps a question for Gus owners only? Is there a consensus on cutting 
> down steering tubes? My Bosco bar will arrive in a day or two & I 
> anticipate I will end up with a lot of extra steerer. How much is too much 
> above the stem once the fit is dialed in? Not just an aesthetic issue but a 
> practical one as well.
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Re: [RBW] Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread Brian Turner

Riffing on Keith’s HDPE “fix”, I think my plan is to find (or fashion) an appropriately thick piece of HDPE so that it is actually slightly thicker than those turned down “lips” of the plate. Then, I’ll channel an open groove (rather than a tunnel that encloses the cable) for the cable to glide against and in theory, should provide enough offset to not rub against metal. I’m not popped about drilling another hole in the plate to attach it, so maybe some sort of strong adhesive will work… I dunno.On Jan 18, 2023, at 2:18 PM, iamkeith wrote:FWIW, @brokebike's reply reminded me: With the guide shifted outward like this photo, my derailleur cable DID land right at the edge of the kickstand plate. So the wear to the cable and frame could have been worse. I think the contours of the fillet on my bike made it less-than perfect in that position, too. So all things considered and trying different options, the position in my photos worked best for me.Also, I did briefly attempt to drill holes in the turned-down edges on the kickstand plate, in an effort to "tunnel" the derailleur cable through it. (I seem to recall having some similar detail on a chainstary brace on an old Ritchey mtb at some point.) Because it was hard to get a drill (or center punch) at the correct angle, it became evident pretty quickly that I was going to mess up some paint somewhere. Plus, it would have fixed the cable position permanently. So the HDPE guide was actually my fix option #4 or #5. It's pretty perfect, I think. (Also, when I say "fix", I don't really mean there is a design flaw in the bike. It's just one of those things you need to discover and work out, same as any bike)On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-7 Scott wrote:
Richard,I don't think that's correct hole in cable guide to pass screw through. If you position cable guide using that hole, it moves guide (for FD cable) more inboard and your FD cable will likely interfere with whatever you mount on underside of down tube cage bosses. Eyeball the line of site from cable guide along underside of down tube to see what I mean.As always, I may be incorrect...Scott

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Very interesting. My rear derailleur has yet to arrive but this got my attention! So I installed the guide to eyeball the situation. It does not look like it will be an issue but it certainly will not take me by surprise.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 18, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:Gus owners,When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. Not proper in my mind.If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave it? What say you?Scott

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Re: [RBW] Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread iamkeith

FWIW, @brokebike's reply reminded me:  With the guide shifted outward like 
this photo, my derailleur cable DID land right at the edge of the kickstand 
plate. So the wear to the cable and frame could have been worse.  I think 
the contours of the fillet on my bike made it less-than perfect in that 
position, too.  So all things considered and trying different options, the 
position in my photos worked best for me.

Also, I did briefly attempt to drill holes in the turned-down edges on the 
kickstand plate, in an effort to "tunnel" the derailleur cable through it.  
(I seem to recall having some similar detail on a chainstary brace on an 
old Ritchey mtb at some point.)  Because it was hard to get a drill (or 
center punch) at the correct angle, it became evident pretty quickly that I 
was going to mess up some paint somewhere.  Plus, it would have fixed the 
cable position permanently.  So the HDPE guide was actually my fix option 
#4 or #5.  It's pretty perfect, I think. 

(Also, when I say "fix", I don't really mean there is a design flaw in the 
bike.   It's just one of those things you need to discover and work out, 
same as any bike)

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-7 Scott wrote:

> Richard,
>
> I don't think that's correct hole in cable guide to pass screw through. If 
> you position cable guide using that hole, it moves guide (for FD cable) 
> more inboard and your FD cable will likely interfere with whatever you 
> mount on underside of down tube cage bosses. Eyeball the line of site from 
> cable guide along underside of down tube to see what I mean.
>
> As always, I may be incorrect...
>
> Scott
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 11:53:31 AM MST, Richard Rose <
> rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Very interesting. My rear derailleur has yet to arrive but this got my 
> attention! So I installed the guide to eyeball the situation. It does not 
> look like it will be an issue but it certainly will not take me by 
> surprise.:)
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Gus owners,
>
> When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to 
> chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. 
> Not proper in my mind.
>
> If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave 
> it? What say you?
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread Hunter Harr

Had this problem on two of my Sam Hillbornes over the years. My solution 
was to take a hacksaw to them, and just cut the corners off the offending 
area at 45 degrees. Used painters tape on the stay to protect it, then just 
filed and sanded the the exposed end flat. Took the cut off piece to drug 
store and found some nail polish that was close match and just touched up 
the one exposed edge. Sorry, no pictures and did not have an issue with 
current Sam or Joe.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:53:29 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very interesting. My rear derailleur has yet to arrive but this got my 
> attention! So I installed the guide to eyeball the situation. It does not 
> look like it will be an issue but it certainly will not take me by 
> surprise.:)
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Gus owners,
>
> When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to 
> chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. 
> Not proper in my mind.
>
> If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave 
> it? What say you?
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Richard,
I don't think that's correct hole in cable guide to pass screw through. If you
position cable guide using that hole, it moves guide (for FD cable) more
inboard and your FD cable will likely interfere with whatever you mount on
underside of down tube cage bosses. Eyeball the line of site from cable guide
along underside of down tube to see what I mean.
As always, I may be incorrect...

Scott

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 11:53:31 AM MST, Richard Rose
wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch
wrote:

Gus owners,
When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to chain
stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. Not proper
in my mind.
If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave it?
What say you?
Scott

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[RBW] Re: FS: Crust Romanceur Canti 58cm (Large)

2023-01-18 Thread Hoch in ut


Bike has been sold. Thanks. 
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 10:40:31 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Almost new Crust Romanceur in 58cm size (large). I bought the frame new 
> over last summer and built it up. But it only has 30 miles on it, as it’s 
> one of (too?) many bikes I have. 
>
> It’s a great riding bike but I will be moving and need to cut down the 
> collection. 
>
> Build specs (some components are from the parts bin. All in great working 
> shape):
> Paul brake levers and Canti brakes(cables left long for different 
> handlebars). 
> Simplex shifters
> Campagnolo Record (front) and Mirage (rear)
> Velo Orange cranks (46/30)
> 11/30 rear cassette
> Velo Orange Grand Cru seat post
> Velocity wheels (Shimano front and Ambrisio rear hubs)
> Currently has Soma 650b x 38 tires. I will also include Rene Herse 650b x 
> 2.2” tires (Untanum Ridge, almost new). 
> Soma front rack. 
> Nitto Bullmoose bar
>
> I am 5’11” with 33.5” PBH. The saddle height is 75cm. 
>
> Note: does not come with pedals, cage, or saddle. 
>
> There is a scratch on the headtube. Before the rack, I had a front bag 
> which scratched up the paint.
>
> Asking $2k plus shipping. 
>
> Venmo, Zelle, or cashiers check only please.
>
> Pictures below. 
> https://ibb.co/album/TY8QDd
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Re: [RBW] Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread Richard Rose

Very interesting. My rear derailleur has yet to arrive but this got my attention! So I installed the guide to eyeball the situation. It does not look like it will be an issue but it certainly will not take me by surprise.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 18, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:Gus owners,When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. Not proper in my mind.If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave it? What say you?Scott



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Re: [RBW] Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread Josiah Anderson

Yep, mine does it too. Aesthetically disappointing and might wear out the
cable a bit faster, and might also take off some paint, but my Gus came to
me with paint dings already and the cable will probably break at the
shifter or derailer first anyway so I've decided to ignore it.

Josiah Anderson
Missoula, MT

Le mer. 18 janv. 2023 à 08:48, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> a écrit :

> Gus owners,
>
> When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to
> chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket.
> Not proper in my mind.
>
> If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave
> it? What say you?
>
> Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Patirck,
Killer! Thanks for sharing your experiences with various fenders/materials.
Scott

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:54:41 AM MST, Patrick Moore
wrote:

I've installed about the same number of metal -- Honjo, VO, Berthoud, Kelpie,
Wald -- but mostly VO -- and plastic fenders, SKS, Blumel, Zefal, Avocet,
Planet Bike, etc. Metal ones properly installed are more rigid while plastic
ones can -- but don't always -- rattle from vibration. Some metal ones are
sturdier than plastic: stainless steel, Wald, 2X gauge aluminum Kelpie, but
most are more prone to damage than plastic, but only very slightly so IME.
Metal ones tend to be longer -- I've had some SKSs and PBs that were absurdly
short and required 8" or 10" long front mudflaps for full coverage. And metal
ones almost always IME look better: curves and gaps more even, better looking
fender and strut materials.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:27 AM Jay Lonner wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread Patrick Moore

I've installed about the same number of metal -- Honjo, VO, Berthoud,
Kelpie, Wald -- but mostly VO -- and plastic fenders, SKS, Blumel, Zefal,
Avocet, Planet Bike, etc. Metal ones properly installed are more rigid
while plastic ones *can* -- but don't always -- rattle from vibration. Some
metal ones are sturdier than plastic: stainless steel, Wald, 2X gauge
aluminum Kelpie, but most are more prone to damage than plastic, but only
very slightly so IME.

Metal ones tend to be longer -- I've had some SKSs and PBs that were
absurdly short and required 8" or 10" long front mudflaps for full
coverage. And metal ones almost always IME look better: curves and gaps
more even, better looking fender and strut materials.

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:27 AM Jay Lonner  wrote:

> I’ve been using SKS fenders since forever, so I’m very familiar with their
> installation and have lots of spare parts lying around. Are there
> non-aesthetic benefits to metal fenders? I think back to the old Raleigh
> 3-speed I had as a kid, and the fenders on that bike were prone to
> scratches/dings and also made a loud pachinko sound when riding on gravel.
> Have modern boutique metal fenders found a way around these shortcomings?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

 Jay,
Thanks for pointing out differences in materials fenders are made of. I'm a 
fenders virgin, so it's insightful! Definitely a characteristic I'll weigh 
heavily when I purchase a set.
As a long-time user of SKS fenders, do you have any gripes with them?
Scott 

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:27:34 AM MST, Jay Lonner 
 wrote:  
 
 I’ve been using SKS fenders since forever, so I’m very familiar with their 
installation and have lots of spare parts lying around. Are there non-aesthetic 
benefits to metal fenders? I think back to the old Raleigh 3-speed I had as a 
kid, and the fenders on that bike were prone to scratches/dings and also made a 
loud pachinko sound when riding on gravel. Have modern boutique metal fenders 
found a way around these shortcomings?
Jay LonnerBellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:37 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:



 Luke, after you get and fuss with them fenders, post the results, please.
Some pictures to go with would be great.

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 07:50:50 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:  
 
 Scott – I ordered the Flat 65 yesterday after some consideration. I hope it’ll 
arrive by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week at which time I’ll hurriedly mount 
them. I think minimal modification will be necessary though I worry about 
reduced coverage due to their shape. 

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 8:41:15 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

 What did you discover? Did you by chance try the Flat 65?

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:  
 
 Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of modification 
(cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I won’t tolerate is 
losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head into the shop for the 
day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see if any of the dimensions 
of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least I’ll share the mishaps I 
encounter as I try to push the limits of what the Atlantis can fit with you 
all. 
David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of those 
with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I feel 
pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent rain has 
left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to regardless of the 
weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way to make a bike a year 
round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.
- Luke in rainy, hailing San Francisco
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.

Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see if 
Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so you 
should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't really 
have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).

I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.
-Dave

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) and 
holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and  heavily 
dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, and remove 
fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of heart but looks 
possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the dimples just right.  
There's little question that the fenders will fit over your tires, but on an 
Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I would worry about is this, by 
the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, you may have lost your clearance 
around the tire at those points.  If you remove metal at those edges where it 
is too tight then the structure of the fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go 
with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 
tires for a bike with more clearance (like a Clem).  

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look to 
have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! Ordering 
pronto. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left this 
out.

Kim.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

Hi Luke,
On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo Smooth 
74 steel fenders as yet to be.   

Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy for my 
bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General

Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread Jay Lonner

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 07:50:50 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson wrote:

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson wrote:

[RBW] Re: Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread Brian Turner

Yes, mine does this too. Just barely touches one of the lips on the 
underside of the bracket (there's actually two lips), but it's enough to be 
concerning for sure. In regards to using the other hole to shift the 
plastic cable guide over a bit - I don't think that would help in this 
case. If anything, it might make the situation worse by moving the RD cable 
to where it rubs the outside edge of the plate.

I really like Keith's solution... using something with relatively low 
friction like HDPE would definitely help "glide" the cable, rather than 
abrade the metal of the kickstand plate. Now, I need to find an old HDPE 
cutting board that I can chop up!

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:07:21 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Did you try using the other hole on the BB cable guide?
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:38 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Here's what I did. (this is on my Susie Longbolts, but same thing).  This 
>> is a piece of 1/2" thick HDPE sheet.  I really did this to kick the cable 
>> outward a little, in order to clear some really wide 2.8" tires and, now, 
>> fenders.  But it had the bonus of "lifting" the cable away from the 
>> turned--down edge of the bracket, too.   If you don't need the width 
>> clearance, you could also just use a small piece of cable housing liner 
>> tube.  I do that often because, like you, I don't like the idea of cables 
>> rubbing on the frame.  You just have to check it every few years to make 
>> sure it hasn't worn through.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?
>>>
>>> Pictures are always helpful.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>>>
 Gus owners,

 When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide 
 to chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand 
 bracket. 
 Not proper in my mind.

 If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just 
 leave it? What say you?

 Scott

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread iamkeith

... The guide position shown on my bike is correct, because that's the one
that routes the front derailleur cable properly. I guess if I was using a
rear derailleur only, I could have moved mine - but it still would have
rubbed on the kickstand plate.

(But "yes," I did try the other hole. )

Laing

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:38 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
Here's what I did. (this is on my Susie Longbolts, but same thing). This
is a piece of 1/2" thick HDPE sheet. I really did this to kick the cable
outward a little, in order to clear some really wide 2.8" tires and, now,
fenders. But it had the bonus of "lifting" the cable away from the
turned--down edge of the bracket, too. If you don't need the width
clearance, you could also just use a small piece of cable housing liner
tube. I do that often because, like you, I don't like the idea of cables
rubbing on the frame. You just have to check it every few years to make
sure it hasn't worn through.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?

Pictures are always helpful.

Laing

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
Gus owners,

When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to
chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket.
Not proper in my mind.

If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave
it? What say you?

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread iamkeith

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
Did you try using the other hole on the BB cable guide?

In the case of the OP's question, it is more an issue of vertical
clearance than side-to-side. That part doesn't change if you move the bb
cable guide to the other hole. The guide position shown on my bike is
correct, because that's the one that routes the front derailleur cable
properly. I guess if I was using a rear derailleur only, I could have
moved mine - but it still would have rubbed on the kickstand plate.

Laing

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?

Pictures are always helpful.

Laing

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
Gus owners,

When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to
chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket.
Not proper in my mind.

If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave
it? What say you?

Scott

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[RBW] Re: Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread lconley

Did you try using the other hole on the BB cable guide?

Laing

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:38 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Here's what I did. (this is on my Susie Longbolts, but same thing).  This 
> is a piece of 1/2" thick HDPE sheet.  I really did this to kick the cable 
> outward a little, in order to clear some really wide 2.8" tires and, now, 
> fenders.  But it had the bonus of "lifting" the cable away from the 
> turned--down edge of the bracket, too.   If you don't need the width 
> clearance, you could also just use a small piece of cable housing liner 
> tube.  I do that often because, like you, I don't like the idea of cables 
> rubbing on the frame.  You just have to check it every few years to make 
> sure it hasn't worn through.
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?
>>
>> Pictures are always helpful.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Gus owners,
>>>
>>> When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to 
>>> chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. 
>>> Not proper in my mind.
>>>
>>> If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just 
>>> leave it? What say you?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread lconley

Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?

Pictures are always helpful.

Laing

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> Gus owners,
>
> When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to 
> chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. 
> Not proper in my mind.
>
> If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave 
> it? What say you?
>
> Scott
>

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[RBW] WTB: Albatross Bar and Dirt Drop Stem

2023-01-18 Thread Doug H.

I'm thinking of changing handlebars on my Clem. I really, really like the 
Tosco bars but they come back a smidge too far and I already have a long 
stem Nitto Tallux 11 cm. The other change I want to make is to install bar 
end shifters so with this setup I need the bars a little more forward. I 
find myself always gripping the Tosco bars a couple of inches forward on 
the grips. I think the Dirt Drop stem will keep the Albatross bars higher 
like the Tosco bars and the Albatross give me a more forward position. If 
you have Albatross and/or a Dirt Drop stem for sale please let me know. 
Otherwise, I will order new from Rivendell.
Thanks,
Doug
Athens, Ga.

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[RBW] Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch

Gus owners,

When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to 
chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. 
Not proper in my mind.

If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave 
it? What say you?

Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

2023-01-18 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

 Luke, after you get and fuss with them fenders, post the results, please.
Some pictures to go with would be great.

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 07:50:50 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:  
 
 Scott – I ordered the Flat 65 yesterday after some consideration. I hope it’ll 
arrive by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week at which time I’ll hurriedly mount 
them. I think minimal modification will be necessary though I worry about 
reduced coverage due to their shape. 

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 8:41:15 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

 What did you discover? Did you by chance try the Flat 65?

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:  
 
 Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of modification 
(cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I won’t tolerate is 
losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head into the shop for the 
day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see if any of the dimensions 
of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least I’ll share the mishaps I 
encounter as I try to push the limits of what the Atlantis can fit with you 
all. 
David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of those 
with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I feel 
pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent rain has 
left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to regardless of the 
weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way to make a bike a year 
round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.
- Luke in rainy, hailing San Francisco
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.

Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see if 
Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so you 
should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't really 
have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).

I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.
-Dave

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) and 
holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and  heavily 
dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, and remove 
fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of heart but looks 
possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the dimples just right.  
There's little question that the fenders will fit over your tires, but on an 
Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I would worry about is this, by 
the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, you may have lost your clearance 
around the tire at those points.  If you remove metal at those edges where it 
is too tight then the structure of the fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go 
with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 
tires for a bike with more clearance (like a Clem).  

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look to 
have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! Ordering 
pronto. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left this 
out.

Kim.

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

Hi Luke,
On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo Smooth 
74 steel fenders as yet to be.   

Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy for my 
bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in Portland, 
Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred me to Kevin, 
who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has the Honjo Smooth 
74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out a section for 
clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached pictures. I did not 
ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his bike. I was more 
concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat post for my Clem. 

All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 

Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
Kim HetzelYelm, WA 

..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.


On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

Or even a Smooth 74?

Re: [RBW] Re: Tanaka 68mm fenders on a Joe Appa?

2023-01-18 Thread Doug Van Cleve

Thanks Nick!

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 9:47 PM Nick Payne  wrote:

> They're not going to fit through the fork without a bit of work to narrow
> them where they pass through. I have the VO 63mm fenders on my Appaloosa
> (they actually measure 63.5mm), and there's only a fraction of a millimetre
> clearance each side where they pass between the fork blades - I fitted
> plastic frame protector dots on the inside of the fork blades each side to
> prevent the paint being worn off by the fender.
>
> The rear should fit OK, but it will probably need an indentation on the
> drive side just above the chainstay to clear the chain when in your lowest
> gear. The VO 63mm fenders come with this indentation already done, but
> looking at the Tanaka fenders on the Soma website, I couldn't see that they
> are similarly treated.
>
> Nick
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cutting tnreadless steer tube

2023-01-18 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

Richard,
Thanks for starting this thread.
I'm building a Gus, too, and judging by how long the steerer tube is
unmounted I think it's likely I'll cut mine down to a more desirable length.
When I make the steerer cut, I'm going to leave enough minimum length above
headset stack to allow for use of a stem style like this Discord Chromo Peeper
. This style stem would be a great way to regain bar height, if needed, after
cutting steerer.

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On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 05:01:05 AM MST, Richard Rose
wrote:

Thanks folks. You all have confirmed my own thoughts.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Ed's solution is probably a good guideline. I would add to not be in a hurry
to cut it, you may ride it for a while and realize Boscos aren't your thing and
will need extra steerer for a lower bar. I would put a bunch of spacers on top
and let it be weird for a couple months!
On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 7:40:41 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

Perhaps a question for Gus owners only? Is there a consensus on cutting down
steering tubes? My Bosco bar will arrive in a day or two & I anticipate I will
end up with a lot of extra steerer. How much is too much above the stem once
the fit is dialed in? Not just an aesthetic issue but a practical one as well.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: seatpost Nitto S83 26.8 300mm

2023-01-18 Thread 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch

 Thanks for the lead, Ryan.
I saw the 350 on Riv's site. I'm not completely opposed to savagery, but it's 
plan C.
Scott

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 07:54:09 PM MST, Ryan Frahm 
 wrote:  
 
 Rivendell has the 350mm. Could always cut it if needed!

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:35:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

If anyone has a Nitto S83 in 26.8 x 300mm in good to better condition, please 
message me off list.
Or if someone has a lead as to where to purchase one new, that'd be great, too. 
I've tried a number of different vendors but all were out of stock.

Thanks,
Scott



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[RBW] Re: Mustard Homer

2023-01-18 Thread Shoji Takahashi

great color, and love that beautiful bottom bracket.

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 4:05:17 PM UTC-5 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi, all, just thought I'd share a pic I took at a fantastic bike shop (La 
> Chouette) I visited today in Paris.  A stunning Homer frame hanging from 
> the ceiling.  If you get to Paris, this is a great shop and the owner 
> Pierre is super nice.  
>
> jason
>
> [image: IMG_0136.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Lightweight wheels question: J bend vs straight pull (Ritchey vs Hunt)

2023-01-18 Thread ascpgh

What I've always wondered about straight pull vs. J-bend spokes is the 
risk/benefit comparison. 

The fixtures necessary to create on the straight pull hub that receive 
force concentrated by the head of the spoke need to be more robust than a 
conventional drilled hub flange. They have greater contact surface and 
tangential distribution of energy gained through the contact of the spokes' 
J-shape, particularly the outbound, against the hub flange material. The 
straight pull hub must transfer all energy directly by only the head of the 
spoke. 

Seems that to make the spoke head fixtures on a straight pull hub body you 
must ensure enough material for strength and avoid stress risers by design 
that a weight comparison isn't the highlight. Weight savings at the hub are 
much less impressive to me than those outward on the circumference. 

For load bearing parts the importance of experience weighs very well 
against garage innovations. Shimano or Campagnolo know some things about 
hubs institutionally and would not focus on any single aspect of a hub 
design unless able to address the rest of their corporate secret soup. 
Having lived through the CNC '90s in a bike shop I've seen lot of boutique 
maker parts after the fail and the wrath of owners unhappy their money 
didn't buy them out of being concerned for simple failure such as axle of 
spindle breaks. Whether from less than professional machine work, material 
selection or tolerances not as tight as they should have been, I saw those 
things come back in parts.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:44:42 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> Here's pair I built myself - Newmen Fade 28h thru axle hubs, Light Bicycle 
> AR28 (22mm internal width) rims, Sapim CX-Ray straight pull spokes. Weight 
> 1380g. They've been perfectly reliable and have remained dead true in the 
> 18 months I've been riding them. All-up cost of the parts was about $AU900 
> (~$US600).
> [image: PXL_20210608_022518518.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20210608_022600960.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20210608_022635313.jpg]
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Build - Wish Me Luck!

2023-01-18 Thread 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch

Have you looked at the SimWorks "Obento" rack?
   https://www.sim.works/products/obento-rack
Pricey, but the "shiny" version seems to be in stock!

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:40:19 PM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:

> “Any changes in parts and such while thinking over the build?”
>
> Reginald - yes, a few!   I switched to bar ends as thumbie mounts were 
> temporarily out of stock and I was impatient.  Lots of downstream effects 
> from that one.  I originally wanted to go with Ergon cork grips with 
> something like a Billie or a Crumworks bar.  I’ll see if the bar-ends on my 
> old Albatross and prodigious use of Newbaums works.  It’ll be creative 
> (nice word for obviously DIY).  If it’s not comfy, easy enough to make a 
> change.
>
> With the gigantic pedals, I am concerned with toe-to-tire spacing, so am 
> holding off on fenders.  Also no decision on racks. Crushed that the Nitto 
> Potluck rack is NLA.
>
> Getting there.  Riv box delivered today, more work this weekend.  Assuming 
> the Nexave derailer doesn’t derail me, should be finished up and ready to 
> ride.  (Whoa that’s a big photo - sorry). 
>
> Jake
>
> [image: A00698B8-FA9B-4BE4-8582-253D37FDB4B9.jpeg]
>
>
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 1:46:21 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Congratulations How exciting when the planning and futzing over the 
>> bike and parts finally come together. Any changes in parts and such while 
>> thinking over the build? I know when I built the Rivendell Mountain I went 
>> back and forth on several items. Thought of doing an 8 speed freewheel, but 
>> it seemed much when accounting for the hub set up and scarcity of 8 speed 
>> freewheels. Planned on doing a Nitto built Ritchey stem, but going with the 
>> Softride suspension stem was a strong pull. 
>>
>> Take it slow, don't supper force anything. Take it easy with the hammer! 
>> Lol!!!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 9:37:33 AM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I had to say it:  "Just ship it to me".
>>>
>>> If Vince knew any better, he would have talked me out of it.I've 
>>> never built a bike from (mostly) scratch before, and of course it had to be 
>>> a Riv.  Gutsy.  There may be other less flattering words for it.
>>>
>>> Learning from all of you has given me false bravado to forge ahead, so I 
>>> shall.  Picking parts has been a delight.  I have been embracing the 
>>> anticipation of arriving shiny bits as  patience will most definitely be 
>>> virtue.  Just one more box from Riv and I'll have all I need.  I think I 
>>> have a hammer around here somewhere.
>>>
>>> If I blow it, you'll never hear from me again.  If it rolls fast and 
>>> true, I will post a glorious, victorious photo from Flatistan, FL.
>>>
>>> See any parts you like?  Wish me luck!
>>>
>>> #goheavyontheboeshield
>>>
>>> [image: Sam Parts.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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