[RBW] New Flickr group

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Enlisting those with interesting "Cycles & VW Beetles" images for a new 
Flickr group:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/2903365@N24/

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: Let's see the best of your 2015

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Great shots from everyone! Not to be too tardy, here are 15 of mine from 
2015:  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157663334635321

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Sunday, January 10, 2016 at 2:39:16 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I don't think I've seen a post on the best of your images from 2015. So 
> let's see your culled images.
>
> Sorry to hear Deacon Patrick closed his Flickr account because of certain 
> tootsie fetishes. 
>
> Here's my submission 
> .
>
> And here's hoping 2016 exceeds 2015.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> Hugh
> Los Angeles, CA
>

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[RBW] FS - Nitto lugged stem & cockpit stuff

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For sale:
Nitto lugged stem, 26 x 100mm, like new. $150. (Listed on the Riv site at 
$228.)
Soma interruptor levers, silver, like-new, $28.
Shimano Tiagra road levers, slight scuffing to the right side logo, $30.
Pics: 
*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157660981689094*
All shipped free, CONUS.

Also, I found a trade for my Mark's M1 rack listed earlier this week. 
(Thanks!) 
I still have a Nitto mini-Front Rack - $100 shipped free.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] WTT - Nitto mini rack for R14

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I have both a Nitto mini Front Rack and Mark's Rack M1 w/ related hardware. 
I'll trade either for your Nitto R14 rear rack. 

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Two Sams on the last 2015 overnighter

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My friend, Greg, had the last two days of the year off from his REI job, so 
despite damp (but warm for Virginia in Dec.) weather, we decided at the 
last moment to get one last 80-mile overnighter in on our Sam Hillbornes. 
We started at Hanover Court House, north of Richmond and headed to Bowling 
Green (on Rt.301,) just south of Fredericksburg. Though we took our tents, 
decided on a small cabin because of possible rain that night. It's always 
fun to think you "pulled on over" on ol' man winter!  
*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157662880633721*

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: FS: SPD Shoes/pedals and Walky Dog

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Hey Erl,

If still available, I'll take those shoes & pedals. Contact me off-list, if 
you wish. 

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 9:25:18 AM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> I cleaned the basement and found some unused items which I offer for sale:
>
> 1) Shimano SPD shoes and pedals.  Shoes are size 10.5 and in great 
> condition except for frayed shoelace end on one shoe.  Pedals PD-M515 are 
> well used with many scratches.  They worked well when I removed them from 
> my bike 5 years ago.  Pedals could use a good cleaning.  Please see photos 
> as what you see is what you get: 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/0GP80T
> $35 shipped CONUS -PayPal please.
>
> 2) Walky Dog Exerciser bike attachment which is well used with some 
> superficial rust.  Incorporate man's best friend into your lugged steal 
> riding.  Link here for product description of a newer model: 
> http://www.amazon.com/Walky-Dog-Exerciser-strength-Paracord/dp/B003OYIAW4
> This item is at least 6 years old. Please see photos as what you see is 
> what you get: https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/0GP80T
> $20 shipped CONUS-PayPal please.
>
> Thanks,
> Erl
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Homer vs. Sam vs. Bleriot

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I currently have three Rivs - all set up differently, so not 
apples-to-apples, etc. But my Homer, set up for mixed surface riding, 
mustachioed and fenderless, is more "sprightly" than my Sam, set up as my 
tourer with bells and whistles, and my Atlantis, set up for "country day 
rides" and good-weather overnighters. That said, like Philip mentions: 
Cadillac ride / sports car, depending on what you wish. I don't think I 
would seriously load my Homer down.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Thursday, December 24, 2015 at 8:31:06 AM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Anyone had a Homer plus one of the others (or all three) and ridden them 
> with similar builds?
>
> How did the rides compare?
>
> Just curious if I could tell the diff myself between them if I was 
> blindfolded.
>
> I have a blue Sam and a Bleriot, but never ridden a Homer.
>

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[RBW] Re: Heat Gun to Attach Patches to Bags

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Meade, I usually like the peace of mind that stitching gives me and usually 
use a fairly heavy duty needle and thread and a pair of needle-nosed pliers 
to push it through the heavy material (carefully!). However, on the patch 
you recently sent with me, I chose a placement on my bag that had an inside 
tool pocket that precluded the use of needle and thread. After trying a hot 
iron without success, I heated the patch slightly, then used a hot glue gun 
on the backside. I was careful not to get too close to the edge (back of) 
the patch, but not so far that the edge would lift eventually. Then I 
burnished it while still hot. A small amount of glue creeped outside the 
patch's edge, but was very easy to scrape off once dry. An important tip 
would be to not overdo the amount of glue applied, while covering as much 
of the back of the patch as possible.
Only time (and maybe temperature) will tell if this method works, but it 
lays flat now. If I could, I would put a small stitch into each corner for 
insurance.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Sunday, November 29, 2015 at 7:19:53 PM UTC-5, Meade Anderson wrote:
>
> Has anybody tried using a heat gun (paint remover) to soften the glue on 
> the back of the patch then pressing it on the bag?  Irons don't work well 
> in many situations especially if you are using them on bags such as Swift 
> Industries.  And yes I am lazy and am trying to avoid the needle and thread 
> method...
>
> thanks 
>
> meade (paying for a warm beautiful Thanksgiving weekend with a misty 
> Sunday...)
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[RBW] Re: Was a 55cm double top tube Hillborne ever made?

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The main difference between my (old) 56cm double TT and my (new) 55 cm 
single TT Sams are that I used to be able to grasp the lower TT to lift the 
bike without worrying about the frame pump, which I used to place between 
the TT's! Actually, my original was first generation and had a "made to a 
price" quality to the brazing and the paint. When Riv raised the price, my 
guess is that they had Waterford try harder. My new one is as aesthetically 
as nice as my Atlantis, IMHO.

Paul Germain
Midlothian

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 3:00:48 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> A second top tube provides an added canine safety feature if:
> You have dismounted and are using the bike to block a charging dog. 
> The extra TT makes it that much harder for the dog to leap through your 
> frame and latch onto your leg , especially if you have two waterbottle 
> cages and a frame pump on the bike!
> I'm joking of course.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

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I will miss this event this year David. :(  My excuse to come from the east 
coast, my brother-in-law (and sister, of course!) has gotten a promotion 
and moving to CT. I certainly have enjoyed the two Strada Rossas I've done! 
Meeting you and your family & Ian's riding buddies have been a plus, for 
sure.

The upside is that I can do some east coast rail trials with him. 
Unfortunately, our Amtrak is not as upscale bike-travel-wise as Calif. is.

Paul Germain,
Midlothian, VA

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 12:08:22 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>
> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>
> -- 
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Va. Capital Trail open!

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Hey all, the long-awaited Virginia Capital Trail is finally complete. 52 
paved miles one-way, from Richmond to Williamsburg / Jamestown, along 
historic Rt. 5, which follows the James River and passes many historic 
sites & structures. Terrain is relatively flat - to - rolling. Some of us 
from Richmond did an overnighter this past weekend, stopping at one of the 
many plantations open to the public, Berkley Plantation, site of the first 
Thanksgiving in the new (English) world. We stopped for lunch at Cul's 
Courthouse Grill at Charles City Courthouse. Cul's is housed in a beautiful 
old (former) general store and serves up great wholesome food and 
libations. Then, on to the Chickahominy Riverfront Campground on the 
Chickahominy River, seven miles from Jamestown, site of the first 
successful English settlement in 1609. A short album of our trip on Flickr 
here:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157658031829844
Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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Re: [RBW] FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.

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David,

Recent chain suck problem solved. I had 3 - 4 cases in the last couple 
months, but in preparation for (possibly) selling, I took the middle ring 
off and inspected it carefully. Noticing what looked like shark teeth - 
(funny how hard that is to detect while mounted on the crank!) - I replaced 
the ring, but had not ridden it since. Today, I took it for a good spin and 
Viola! Seems OK. The big ring that came with the bike is a 48T, so I think 
I was favoring the middle ring more than I would if it were a 46T.

By the way, I had an inquiry from someone who did not want the saddle, 
fenders or either of the two racks. I priced the at Ben's Cycles' prices 
and divided by half and came to a sales price of $2753.50. Given that I 
would not have to ship the fenders, I'd round it off to *$2725.00* without 
those components.

I hope all is well in Redlands and your well is full! 

Paul

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 2:05:04 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Say it isn't so!
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 9:57 AM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I never thought I'd do this, but must cull the herd and this one is now 
>> overlap - and is the one most likely to sell. If not one size too large for 
>> me, I would build it up with fat tires and keep riding it. I purchased it 
>> in Dec. 2011 from someone whom had Rivendell build it up but apparently did 
>> not take to it. When I got it, it had about 200 miles on it. It came with 
>> fenders, but I added front & rear mini racks, Soma interrupter levers, 
>> and PDW fender stay breakaways. Also, I had a bit of chainsuck, so dropped 
>> the middle ring down 2 teeth (to 34) and replaced the 109mm Shimano BB with 
>> a pricey SKF 113mm to get a bit more room down there. I'm selling complete 
>> except for pedals and computer.
>>
>> I'm probably pushing the envelope on the price - $3,000, PayPal 
>> preferred, shipped free CONUS, via Bike Flights and will ship fenders 
>> separately. A build like this would be over $4,000. This is the nicest used 
>> Atlantis you'll see for sale! No dents or scratches (except the touched-up 
>> right chain stay and some minor abrasions to the Honjo fenders). 
>>
>> *FS w/o pedals or computer. *I'd be willing to buy back the racks, 
>> fenders and saddle for half MSRP and adjust the price accordingly. 
>> Contact me off-list, please. Take a look if it's your size:
>>
>> *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280 
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280>*
>>
>> *The poop:*
>> 2011 Toyo-built Atlantis, 61cm (center of BB to top of top tube). 
>> Like-new condition except for right chain stay scars, touched up. 
>> Frame-Savered.
>>
>> Top tube length 59cm. Standover 85.1cm.
>>
>> Crankset: Sugino XD2, 175mm, 48x34x24. Middle ring *new* (0 miles).
>> Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra.
>> Front Der.: Shimano 105.
>> Cassette: 9 sp., Ultegra 12-27.
>> Bottom braket: German-made SKF 113mm.
>>
>> Bar end shifters: Dura Ace, 9 sp.
>>
>> Headset: Shimano Ultegra.
>>
>> Hubs: Shimano Deore XT, 32 hole.
>> Rims, Velocity Dyad, 32 hole, 700c, black anno.
>> Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hypers, 35mm (new).
>>
>> Brakes: TRD Cafam Cantilevers w/ Shimano straddle cables.
>>
>> Levers: Shimano Tiagra, plus Soma interrupters.
>>
>> Stem: Nitto lugged, 100mm.
>>
>> Handlebars: Nitto Noodle, 42cm, Brooks leather tape.
>>
>> Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow S65.
>>
>> Brooks B17 saddle, honey.
>>
>> King bottle cages.
>>
>> Honjo hammered fenders, 45mm.
>> PDW fender stay breakaways (4).
>>
>> Front rack: Nitto 32F.
>> Rear rack: Nitto Marks rack.
>>
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va.
>>
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>
>
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[RBW] FS - 61cm Atlantis, complete.

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I never thought I'd do this, but must cull the herd and this one is now 
overlap - and is the one most likely to sell. If not one size too large for 
me, I would build it up with fat tires and keep riding it. I purchased it 
in Dec. 2011 from someone whom had Rivendell build it up but apparently did 
not take to it. When I got it, it had about 200 miles on it. It came with 
fenders, but I added front & rear mini racks, Soma interrupter levers, and 
PDW fender stay breakaways. Also, I had a bit of chainsuck, so dropped the 
middle ring down 2 teeth (to 34) and replaced the 109mm Shimano BB with a 
pricey SKF 113mm to get a bit more room down there. I'm selling complete 
except for pedals and computer.

I'm probably pushing the envelope on the price - $3,000, PayPal preferred, 
shipped free CONUS, via Bike Flights and will ship fenders separately. A 
build like this would be over $4,000. This is the nicest used Atlantis 
you'll see for sale! No dents or scratches (except the touched-up 
right chain stay and some minor abrasions to the Honjo fenders). 

*FS w/o pedals or computer. *I'd be willing to buy back the racks, fenders 
and saddle for half MSRP and adjust the price accordingly. Contact me 
off-list, please. Take a look if it's your size:

*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657850889280*

*The poop:*
2011 Toyo-built Atlantis, 61cm (center of BB to top of top tube). Like-new 
condition except for right chain stay scars, touched up. Frame-Savered.

Top tube length 59cm. Standover 85.1cm.

Crankset: Sugino XD2, 175mm, 48x34x24. Middle ring *new* (0 miles).
Rear Der: Shimano Ultegra.
Front Der.: Shimano 105.
Cassette: 9 sp., Ultegra 12-27.
Bottom braket: German-made SKF 113mm.

Bar end shifters: Dura Ace, 9 sp.

Headset: Shimano Ultegra.

Hubs: Shimano Deore XT, 32 hole.
Rims, Velocity Dyad, 32 hole, 700c, black anno.
Tires: Vittoria Randonneur Hypers, 35mm (new).

Brakes: TRD Cafam Cantilevers w/ Shimano straddle cables.

Levers: Shimano Tiagra, plus Soma interrupters.

Stem: Nitto lugged, 100mm.

Handlebars: Nitto Noodle, 42cm, Brooks leather tape.

Seatpost: Nitto Crystal Fellow S65.

Brooks B17 saddle, honey.

King bottle cages.

Honjo hammered fenders, 45mm.
PDW fender stay breakaways (4).

Front rack: Nitto 32F.
Rear rack: Nitto Marks rack.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: Purple for a Riv?

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That's one beautiful Davidson, Bill! (Though I'll bet a hard one to touch 
up! Here's the Imron color I chose for my 1989 custom nickel plated and 
filet brazed Bontrager 
CX: http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 6:10:22 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My previous purple bike was a custom Davidson
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:37:12 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, that is more the color shade I am leaning towards over the purple 
>> Saluki that has been posted (even though that is a cool color too.) The 
>> Saluki is a little louder than this one. 
>>
>> I like these kind of internal debates and obsessionsmakes the work 
>> day go by so much quicker. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, RJM wrote:

 As soon as I sell a bunch of stuff I'm ordering another Roadeo...(yes, 
 that will make two. I hav big plans ;)  ). I'm debating in my head about 
 the color choice. My current one is a Rambouillet orange and it is sweet 
 looking. I was thinking of some shade of purple for the next one but 
 really 
 have never seen a riv with a purple paint job, something like a deep 
 purple 
 and not too flashy. What do you all think about that color?   
 Now that I bring it up, what are your favorite colors for Rivs?

>>>  
>>> Not a Riv, but this 25th Anniv Della Santa is purple and very nice 
>>> looking:
>>>  
>>>  https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/internet-bob/HN4s9Ja_ZII
>>>  
>>> At $850 for the bike and $500 for the frameset, I'm suffering because it 
>>> is just my size!  But, I need to resist as I have too many road bikes and 
>>> need a cross.Good Luck!
>>>
>>

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[RBW] mid-Virginia overnighter

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On August 29-30, 2015, I did this solo overnighter using a modified version 
of Meade Anderson's Lee's Retreat ride, along the lightly-used Civil War 
motor route. The new 55cm black  cream Sam Hillborne tourer with a new 
front HAR performed in an exemplarily fashion!

I left Farmville, Va. Saturday morning headed to the High Bridge:

http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state-parks/high-bridge-trail.shtml#general_information

Then, I was headed west to Holliday Lake State Park, near Appomattox Court 
House Historic Park. 40 miles, total for Day One. One gravel section for 
the day.

Overnighting there, I woke early, visited the lake briefly for morning 
light, had breakfast and headed toward Appomattox Court House Park on 
gravel roads (and one stream ford) where I turned back south east and 
Pamplin City, a ghost town, the western end of the High Bridge Rail Trail 
20 miles to my van at Farmville. Total: 45 miles for Day Two.

Total mileage was 85 miles, plus about 6 miles for goofing around the park 
and a couple side trips for sightseeing.

With temps between the low 60's and mid-80's and no chance for rain, who 
could ask for more in August in Virginia?  This area is very pretty, low  
traffic 
and quickly becoming one of my favorites within striking distance from 
Richmond, Va. I can recommend the area for anyone within 100 miles of 
Farmville or Appomattox.

*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157657564404759*

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] FS - 56cm Sam Hillborne frameset

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I moved down a size on my touring rig to a new black  cream Sam. So, my 
older 56cm (orange) double TT frame set is up for sale. I'm the only owner, 
having purchased it new, completely built at the end of 2010 from 
Renaissance Bicycles in Henderson, NC (a Riv dealer of sorts) when he 
closed up shop. I used it for touring (overnighters - to - weeklong). 3,600 
miles. 
Included in the sale is the Tange headset (just cleaned and greased), 
Shimano BB, and a new - still in package - Kalloy Uno SP-248 seat post. No 
dings or dents and all paint chips were minor, mainly on the drive side 
chain stay, but are expertly touched up. Decals are perfect and the frame 
is treated with framesaver. Standover is 83.4cm and the (theoretical 
horizontal) TT is 59cm.

Images and many closeups can be seen on my Flickr 
album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157656461583886.

Price is $700, plus shipping and insurance from the east coast. Please 
contact me off-list. Thanks for looking!

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] FS - Nitto Front Big Rack

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I have a Nitto Front Big Rack 9as seen on RIv's web site for $210) for 
sale. Images on my Flickr 
site: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/7215765668011

$180, plus shipping, PayPal preferred. Contact me off-list please.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] My ACW cup goes to the DWG

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Some shots of my new Association of Caffeinated Wheelmen (ACW) cup on a 
4-day trip to the Delaware Water Gap (DWG): 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157653290251475

(Please forgive the cross-post to the I-BOB list.) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: GAP/CO trails in the early spring

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David, I live in Va., as you know. If you come east, let me know I'd love 
to do the trip again! I've done it (fully) a couple times, plus some 
shorter trips, so know where all the best food is! (Very important!) I can 
pay you back for your hospitality at the Strada Rossa.

On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 8:02:28 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's on my short-list of rides I'd like to do.  Thanks for putting 
 the write-up together! 

 On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  What a fantastic trip! Thanks for sharing! I look forward to the next 
  part(s). 
  
  With abandon, 
  Patrick 
  
  
  On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 4:58:44 PM UTC-6, Marc Irwin wrote: 
  
  I just got done with my early spring trip and finished the first part 
 of 
  the ride recount. 
  It was a good trip with some very predictable trials and a couple very 
  pleasant surprises down the road.  I'll furnish new links as I finish 
 over 
  the next few days. 
  
  Marc 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike shop mechanics answer this:

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David,

Of course, there's always the custom route. Back in 1989, before 
threadless, I had Steve Potts fillet braze be a beautiful stem with a cap 
for a (new, then) Bontrager fillet brazed Cx-based bike. I think I got the 
idea from Bruce Gordon's Rock  Road frames back then.  Loved that thing! 
(Bike  stem) But, eventually sold it to a friend so that I can visit now  
then. Still makes my heart pitter-patter to se it:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:01:42 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ha! Yes, you're totally correct. I only mention Surly as their otherwise 
 great bikes seem to have that one error. And it's not a QBP thing as Salsa 
 has relatively tall headtubes on even their racey bikes like the Warbird. 
 I'm sure there's a reason for it it, probably that it's easier to add 
 spacers but you can't take it away. 

 As for threadless question... I'm moving pretty strongly into the prefer 
 threadless camp. It seems like a pretty good change away from a good but 
 fiddly design to something that works well for me. Open face stems alone 
 make it worthwhile! 


 On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 29ers are even worse. There are a lot of XL 29ers out there with a 
 100~110mm head tube. It's ridiculous. To get the bars at saddle height, us 
 tall folks will need 50-80mm of spacers, which looks dorky.

 Eric

 On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 1:43 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I wish Surly would have proportionately taller head tubes on their 
 bikes. They are across the board 20-30mm too short IMHO. The 60cm 
 Crosscheck for example has a 160mm headtube. To my way of thinking, that 
 should be 190mm. 180 would be a good compromise. Then you could get rid of 
 30mm of spacers on the steerer, which would help it look cleaner and less 
 hacky.
 I guess they don't want to alienate the 'Slam dat stem' crowd... :-) 

 On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Jeremy Till jerem...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 The vast majority of production bikes come with pre-cut steerers, and 
 how much they are cut depends on the manufacturer.  Generally it's rare to 
 have more than 40mm of adjustment above the headset upper.  In fact, the 
 fork is usually fully installed, and all we do at the shop is maybe 
 install 
 the stem and assure proper headset adjustment.  I usually like to move the 
 stem to its highest possible setting (top of the spacer stack, flipped for 
 rise).  

 The QBP brands (Salsa and Surly) are a notable exception, with every 
 size coming with a fork that has yet to be installed, with the steerer 
 uncut and without the star nut not pressed in.  When I was service manager 
 at a shop, I mandated that we leave the steerers uncut on these bikes.  
 However, that does make things difficult with a lot of customers who don't 
 understand how threadless forks work or why anyone would want to run their 
 bars that high.  Their aesthetic first impressions (all too often a 
 critical part of bike buying) are totally thrown off by the spacer stack, 
 and if they test ride the bike with a normal stem height they're 
 unnerved 
 by the extra spacer stack above the stem threatening to poke them in the 
 solar plexus. So, there are downsides for the retailer who leaves them 
 uncut. 

 Yes, Rivendell avoids all this with 1 threaded headsets and quill 
 stems but from a mechanical perspective, threadless is really superior.  
 With steel steerer tubes there is no practical limit to how high you can 
 run the bars above the headset.  In fact, a high bar setup feels much more 
 solid with a threadless stem than with a quill stem, and headset 
 adjustment 
 is far easier.  Of course, as James and others have pointed out, achieving 
 Riv-esque bar height with a threadless setup requires slightly more 
 deliberate choices on the part of the bike designer and bike assembler.  

 With carbon steerers becoming de rigeur on high-end bikes, there is 
 much more of a practical limit on how high you want to run a stem.  I'm 
 sure different manufacturers would say different things but I would never 
 want to run a carbon fork with more that about 40 or 50mm of spacers max.  
  



 On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 9:38:07 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 How do you determine where to cut the steerer tubes on your threadless 
 floor model road bikes when assembling? 

 Is there a standard human bar height that works for everyone shops go 
 by? Do you cut them higher for LHTruckers and other touring models? 

 My local shops cut low but sometimes they do some a little higher than 
 usual. Was wondering. With RBW bikes, we have slot of options with quill 
 stems. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Redlands Strada Rossa 2015

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David, I think you got my photos twice and missed Hugh's. Sorry. A long 
week for you! If you make a correction, might be cool to post all over 
again, adding that great video link to have them together. Just saying', 
but not to make work for you!

Paul

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 12:56:36 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think I have all the albums compiled here... let me know if I forgot 
 somebody! These show the perspective of the lugs  leather crowd pretty 
 nicely!

 Paul's: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649271649764/


 Hugh's: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649271649764/


 Esteban's: https://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/16929993845/


 Jim's: https://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157651544957831


 Mine: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157651165005667/


 Philip's: https://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/16716596259/

 On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 4:17 PM, 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:

 Hey all,

 I made my annual trip from Va. to L.A. to see my sister and ride with 
 bro-in-law, Ian - and of course do a repeat of the Strada Rossa!

 These two albums are from Ian's and my ride last Saturday doing the 
 Redlands Inland Empire Biking Alliance mixed-surface 50k / 100k group ride:

 *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649271649764/ 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649271649764/*

 Our Sunday post-ride ride was as much fun, thanks to David (cyclotourist) 
 Estes giving up his day to guide us through Redlands and up to the single 
 track riding in the Crafton Hills Trails:

 *https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649295487053/ 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649295487053/*

 David's wife, Holly and family treated us to a great lunch after - on 
 very short notice! Thanks Holly!

 Ian rode his Rivendell Atlantis with fat Smart Sams and I rode his 
 Rivendell Homer Hilsen (one size too large) with Schwable Dureme's. That 
 hard packed stuff was not a problem on those stout bikes. I was glad to 
 have plenty of east coast single tracking experience though! Bikes seen 
 along the way ranged from carbon fiber CX bikes, to all-steel like ours, to 
 mountain bikes. Fun for all.

 Great fun both days, but that California sun is hard on a east-coast guy! 
 I came back with a farmer's tan!

 Paul Germain 
 Midlothian, Va.


 On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 We had another great ride out in cyclotourist country. David was a great 
 host, we had gourmet pizza  craft beer. The day of the ride was superb! We 
 had Paul Germain visiting from Virginia for the second year riding his 
 brother in laws A.A.H. and  Ian on his custom red Atlantis, Biketinker 
 Phillip came down from Northern Cal with Jacquie Phelan representing. Jim, 
 Estaban  Aaron were seen climbing some awesome single track. This is short 
 so others can fill in any details I miss.

 Here's some images:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/with/16285457244/

 Cheers,

 ~Hugh
   Los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] Re: Redlands Strada Rossa 2015

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey all,

I made my annual trip from Va. to L.A. to see my sister and ride with 
bro-in-law, Ian - and of course do a repeat of the Strada Rossa!

These two albums are from Ian's and my ride last Saturday doing the 
Redlands Inland Empire Biking Alliance mixed-surface 50k / 100k group ride:

*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649271649764/*

Our Sunday post-ride ride was as much fun, thanks to David (cyclotourist) 
Estes giving up his day to guide us through Redlands and up to the single 
track riding in the Crafton Hills Trails:

*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157649295487053/*

David's wife, Holly and family treated us to a great lunch after - on very 
short notice! Thanks Holly!

Ian rode his Rivendell Atlantis with fat Smart Sams and I rode his 
Rivendell Homer Hilsen (one size too large) with Schwable Dureme's. That 
hard packed stuff was not a problem on those stout bikes. I was glad to 
have plenty of east coast single tracking experience though! Bikes seen 
along the way ranged from carbon fiber CX bikes, to all-steel like ours, to 
mountain bikes. Fun for all.

Great fun both days, but that California sun is hard on a east-coast guy! I 
came back with a farmer's tan!

Paul Germain 
Midlothian, Va.


On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote:

 We had another great ride out in cyclotourist country. David was a great 
 host, we had gourmet pizza  craft beer. The day of the ride was superb! We 
 had Paul Germain visiting from Virginia for the second year riding his 
 brother in laws A.A.H. and  Ian on his custom red Atlantis, Biketinker 
 Phillip came down from Northern Cal with Jacquie Phelan representing. Jim, 
 Estaban  Aaron were seen climbing some awesome single track. This is short 
 so others can fill in any details I miss.

 Here's some images:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/with/16285457244/

 Cheers,

 ~Hugh
   Los Angeles, CA


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[RBW] Re: WTB - Small Sackville Trunk Sack, tan

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That's it Leslie. Though I called it Trunk bag, I do mean the small front 
bag - in tan, of course. I assume this is not available from Riv. any 
longer. Do you have one to sell?

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 10:59:27 AM UTC-4, Leslie wrote:

 On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 6:33:21 PM UTC-4, Bikie#4646 wrote:

 I'm looking for the now-discontinued tan version of the small Sackville 
 Trunk Sack, now available only on olive. (Similar to the old Little Loafer 
 Baggins bag.) Kindly respond off-list. Can pay PayPal or by check. Thanks.

 Paul Germain 
 Midlothian, Va.



 This? http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bastss-tan.htm  


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[RBW] Re: WTB - Small Sackville Trunk Sack, tan

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Many thanks to both Leslie  EGNolan for your help. I did not realize that 
was a live link and not an archived one. This forum is a great help in 
cases like this!

On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 6:33:21 PM UTC-4, Bikie#4646 wrote:

 I'm looking for the now-discontinued tan version of the small Sackville 
 Trunk Sack, now available only on olive. (Similar to the old Little Loafer 
 Baggins bag.) Kindly respond off-list. Can pay PayPal or by check. Thanks.

 Paul Germain 
 Midlothian, Va.
  

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[RBW] Re: Baltimore, MD to Scranton,PA ride planning...

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It could take you a little longer, but if you want to get off the road for 
a bit, the Delaware Water Gap Recreational Area is nice. The Old Mine Road 
is on the NJ side of the Delaware River and the (recommended by me) McDade 
Rec.Trail on the PA side will take you north from the little township of 
Delaware Water Gap on I-80 to Milford, PA on I-84, east of Scranton. PA 
Route 6 east can be accessed there and I think it is a designated bike 
route. I'm from VA, so you'd need more onto on that. The hgwy is not 
west-coast standards for shoulders, but it could work. I'll bet Bobby 
Montclair in NJ could verify. There are a lot of rail trails, etc. on the 
NJ side of the river, but most likely just a bit too far east for you?

Paul Germain,
Midlothian, Va

On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:55:56 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 You Rivfolks do some long distance rando riding, touring, campling, etc...

 What's the best way to plan a long ride like this from Baltimore, MD to 
 Scranton, PA?

 Any east coasters know some bike friendly routes?

 I've only done a few centuriesin the last year and a half, so don't know 
 if I would be able to handle a double century going to Scranton, as its 200 
 miles. Maybe layover at a motel one night and travel the rest the next day. 
 Don't know how tough back to back centuries are for a commuter and 
 recreational century and half century rider like me when I am in shape in 
 the spring and summer and fall.

 Bike friendly routes would be the most important thing, I think. I know 
 there is a MUP that runs from Baltimore to York, PA, so maybe that is a 
 start.

 Don't know if I'd even dare to do this, but it would be fun and memorable. 
 So I'm looking into it to see if it even seems realistic for me.



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[RBW] Re: Baltimore, MD to Scranton,PA ride planning...

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Oops. Here's a Delaware Water Gap / McDade Trail link that will get you 
started:
http://www.nps.gov/dewa/planyourvisit/trail-maps-pa.htm

Paul

On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:55:56 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 You Rivfolks do some long distance rando riding, touring, campling, etc...

 What's the best way to plan a long ride like this from Baltimore, MD to 
 Scranton, PA?

 Any east coasters know some bike friendly routes?

 I've only done a few centuriesin the last year and a half, so don't know 
 if I would be able to handle a double century going to Scranton, as its 200 
 miles. Maybe layover at a motel one night and travel the rest the next day. 
 Don't know how tough back to back centuries are for a commuter and 
 recreational century and half century rider like me when I am in shape in 
 the spring and summer and fall.

 Bike friendly routes would be the most important thing, I think. I know 
 there is a MUP that runs from Baltimore to York, PA, so maybe that is a 
 start.

 Don't know if I'd even dare to do this, but it would be fun and memorable. 
 So I'm looking into it to see if it even seems realistic for me.



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[RBW] Re: Baltimore, MD to Scranton,PA ride planning...

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Finally, here's a trip planning link for PA rte.6, east-west:
http://www.paroute6.com

Paul

On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:55:56 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 You Rivfolks do some long distance rando riding, touring, campling, etc...

 What's the best way to plan a long ride like this from Baltimore, MD to 
 Scranton, PA?

 Any east coasters know some bike friendly routes?

 I've only done a few centuriesin the last year and a half, so don't know 
 if I would be able to handle a double century going to Scranton, as its 200 
 miles. Maybe layover at a motel one night and travel the rest the next day. 
 Don't know how tough back to back centuries are for a commuter and 
 recreational century and half century rider like me when I am in shape in 
 the spring and summer and fall.

 Bike friendly routes would be the most important thing, I think. I know 
 there is a MUP that runs from Baltimore to York, PA, so maybe that is a 
 start.

 Don't know if I'd even dare to do this, but it would be fun and memorable. 
 So I'm looking into it to see if it even seems realistic for me.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Help Choosing Tires - Jack Brown vs. Compass Stampede Pass

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Thomas,

I have been using the (old) Vittoria Randonneur Hypers (now Voyagers) in 35 
 38 mm on three bikes for a few years now with thousands of miles and no 
flats. Not only that, they seem as supple as Marathon Supremes without the 
price, though might not be quite as light. Getting great mileage, too. 
(Haven't worn one out yet.) I like them a lot for pavement and gravel 
surfaces.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 5:33:13 PM UTC-5, Thomas B wrote:

 The Compass tires are great, no question in my mind. I've been commuting 
 on them since summer. However, when the wet weather came to the Bay Area I 
 started getting flats riding through pretty awful streets of Richmond and 
 put Pasela TG's back on. 

 Unfortunately, my Compass experience got me itching for something a bit 
 more lively than the TG's. The Soma New Xpres sound good - I was also 
 considering Vittoria Voyager Hyper after trawling old posts. Anyone care to 
 compare those apples?


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