Re: [RBW] Backpack maker mentioned in an old Reader?
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Jeffrey wrote: > Grant was supporting a backpack manufacturer in a Riv Reader I once > read. Can somebody save me a little time and tell me if they recall > who that maker may be? I remember he touted them because they (the > designer) were first to develop a frameless pack (IIRC). They went out > of business for a time, then resurrected and now work out of the > Northwest, (I believe). I would like to support and "Originator". It's their namesake, Rivendell Mountain Works: http://rivendellmountainworks.com/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Rivendell Custom
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Jeff wrote: > Enjoy: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/19365...@n02/ Beautiful frame and a lovely color, i don't know how you can wait almost a year to build up that bike. Also: how cool is that Legolas decal on the workbench? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Super-spongy brakes on my AHH - any help?
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Adam Kimball wrote: > * I've brought the yokes up pretty high - I can get them higher, but > not much. So, I'm not certain this is the problem. This is the piece that strikes me from this whole thread. Having a somewhat higher yoke will give you more leverage at the rim, but it also increases lever travel (that's the geometric tradeoff that Sheldon describes). You might have it high enough that the levers can't pull enough cable (which would explain the travel agent recommendation). I'd get a new rear cable (since you cut yours short), and start with a very low straddle wire and see if that works - if so, adjust it upward to get an acceptable balance between cable pull and braking power. I'm surprised that the Silver sidepulls didn't work well though, which makes me suspect something's off about the levers. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check this Bombadil!
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, William wrote: > I'm a little surprised that nobody has said they hate it or that it's > ugly. Maybe the group has weeded out the voices of dissent. I > expected somebody to gripe that the additional tubes were overkill on > an already overbuilt bike. I admit that i wasn't crazy about the early drawings of the diagonatube, but having it continue through to a third set of stays really makes the design work for me. I'm not sure it's a bike that i'd get right now, but it's a beautiful frame. If i had one, it would take a whole day just to look it over and appreciate the work that went into making it. I'm more immediately interested in the forks, they look great. Need to measure my headtubes to see if it'll work on one of my tall frames. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Red Legolas
IIRC, it was a short run one summer 3 years ago, with the idea that it would likewise be an occasional/seasonal short run frame, but i don't remember seeing anything else from Grant about it lately. I'd guess with the name issues and the fact that it was never meant to be a regular production frame (very light tubing, 9/8 steerer etc.) means it may be gone for good, despite good demand for it at the time. On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:12 PM, stevep33 wrote: > Does anyone know if there will ever be another run of the Legolas? > Seems like RBW sold them briefly a few years ago and not since then. > Seems like they are a rare breed among Riv's. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
I'm down to a nearly all-time low of 3 bikes. What i've figured out with the single bike notion is that, for me, the goal of having one bike isn't worth the hassle of changing that bike for different uses. I do switch my 'cross bike from commuter to racer and back once a year, but i get tired of swapping out wheels and bags and whatnot just for a weekend of dirt riding. Likewise, i rode many years on a MB4 and got tired of the way it handled on the road with slicks. I'm not a racer or extreme rider by any means, but i do enjoy tools that are reasonably well-suited to the job, and my riding is diverse enough that i have a hard time getting below 2-3 bikes. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:26 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Define "enough". > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero wrote: >> ...but can one bike do enough? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run - the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change in brake type. The Sam is a little unusual in that it was caught in production issues just as it was ramping up, so there was undoubtedly some scrambling to keep the initial run going, thought IIRC there were posts from Grant talking about the changes as they were happening. I hope you don't think you have a lesser bike for the minor differences. Waterford frames aren't custom either, but like the Maxways are certainly above-average production quality. Both of those forks are nice to my eye, and both have that curve i like so much. I owned a Redwood for a few years; it had a 1-color paint job and plainer lugs than any of the Sams, and it rode as well as any Rambouillet i tried, no regrets. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Peter Pesce wrote: > I really don't know why Riv has to go and make multiple different > versions of this bike. > Yes, I know the only answer that matters is "because Grant wants to" > but even HE has to expend lots of unnecessary energy explaining to > people why one version is, allegedly, as good as the other. > Just when he convinces people that Taiwan-made bikes are "real" > Rivendells he goes and has them made by Waterford. He puts different > forks and brakes on them, even different forks on the Maxway bikes- > Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now, > forever hence be known as the "nice" fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam > with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the "crappy" > fork. > Maybe I'm just not used to this way of doing business, being a Riv > rookie... > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
Indeed - I'd be happy to dispose of them properly, just email directly for my shipping address :-) Bill On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:35 PM, William wrote: > The Single TT one (Maxway?) has no BB cable guide installed!! Send it > back! > The Double TT one has a seatstay bridge that is not threaded > underneath for a fender!! Send it back! > > On Sep 1, 12:14 pm, Bill Connell wrote: >> I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing the forks, but >> can't remember who. Given that the lugs appear identical otherwise, >> i'm surprised in the differences in the forks, especially that the >> canti version seems to have narrower tapered legs. The fork bend looks >> the same on both, which is nice (i'm a fan of Riv's nice forks). >> Unless it's a trick of the light, the orange on the Waterford version >> looks a bit deeper. I agree, both are nice frames. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Bruce wrote: >> > Did I read somewhere that the Maxway frame uses a Toyo built fork? Toyo >> > did >> > a fine job on prior forks, so one wonders why the one pictured by Bryan >> > seems "stockier." >> >> > To be honest, both bikes look great to me. I like the paint on the Maxway a >> > bit better, but agree that the Waterford crown is nicer. >> >> > >> > From: William >> > To: RBW Owners Bunch >> > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 1:55:35 PM >> > Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the >> > Hillborne >> >> > I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I >> > think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have >> > to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because >> > I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT >> > would be a portage handle for me. I cannot think of another solution >> > to that for under 8 ounces. Frame strength and stiffness-wise, I >> > think the second TT is unnecessary. But, pretty lugs and a gorgeous >> > headbadge aren't necessary either. I personally prefer cantilevers >> > for a touring setup and sidepulls for a brevet/roadie setup. I >> > wouldn't call either one 'better'. >> >> > The thing I feel strongly about is the fork. I really don't like the >> > fork on the single TT bike. I vastly prefer the curly crown, the >> > curveback wings and especially the narrow tapered fork blades. The >> > blades on the single TT one look clumsy and chubby. Ick. My 56cm >> > Hillborne has a fork like the double TT version. >> >> > Bottom line, if someone offered me a free trade of my single TT >> > hillborne for a double TT hillborne, I'd probably take it. I would >> > not pay $250 for the upgrade. Mine is perfectly fine. If I had to >> > buy one of those two framesets from RenBikes today, I would absolutely >> > pick the double TT one, and I would pay the $250 extra because A/ the >> > fork is way nicer looking B/ I personally prefer cantilevers for my >> > Hillborne setup and C/ I like the double TT. >> >> > On Sep 1, 11:04 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" >> > wrote: >> >> In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the >> >> Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. >> >> >> Of course, we couldn't help but take >> >> photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=66 >> >> >> Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also >> >> includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the >> >> cable stop. The fork crowns are different. >> >> >> Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the >> >> frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference >> >> between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. >> >> >> Both bikes are in our "build queue"; we'll post pictures when they are >> >> complete. >> >> >> Now, let the debate begin ... >> >> >> Bryan >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send emai
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing the forks, but can't remember who. Given that the lugs appear identical otherwise, i'm surprised in the differences in the forks, especially that the canti version seems to have narrower tapered legs. The fork bend looks the same on both, which is nice (i'm a fan of Riv's nice forks). Unless it's a trick of the light, the orange on the Waterford version looks a bit deeper. I agree, both are nice frames. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Bruce wrote: > Did I read somewhere that the Maxway frame uses a Toyo built fork? Toyo did > a fine job on prior forks, so one wonders why the one pictured by Bryan > seems "stockier." > > To be honest, both bikes look great to me. I like the paint on the Maxway a > bit better, but agree that the Waterford crown is nicer. > > > > From: William > To: RBW Owners Bunch > Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 1:55:35 PM > Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the > Hillborne > > I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I > think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have > to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because > I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT > would be a portage handle for me. I cannot think of another solution > to that for under 8 ounces. Frame strength and stiffness-wise, I > think the second TT is unnecessary. But, pretty lugs and a gorgeous > headbadge aren't necessary either. I personally prefer cantilevers > for a touring setup and sidepulls for a brevet/roadie setup. I > wouldn't call either one 'better'. > > The thing I feel strongly about is the fork. I really don't like the > fork on the single TT bike. I vastly prefer the curly crown, the > curveback wings and especially the narrow tapered fork blades. The > blades on the single TT one look clumsy and chubby. Ick. My 56cm > Hillborne has a fork like the double TT version. > > Bottom line, if someone offered me a free trade of my single TT > hillborne for a double TT hillborne, I'd probably take it. I would > not pay $250 for the upgrade. Mine is perfectly fine. If I had to > buy one of those two framesets from RenBikes today, I would absolutely > pick the double TT one, and I would pay the $250 extra because A/ the > fork is way nicer looking B/ I personally prefer cantilevers for my > Hillborne setup and C/ I like the double TT. > > On Sep 1, 11:04 am, "Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles" > wrote: >> In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the >> Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. >> >> Of course, we couldn't help but take >> photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=66 >> >> Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also >> includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the >> cable stop. The fork crowns are different. >> >> Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the >> frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference >> between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. >> >> Both bikes are in our "build queue"; we'll post pictures when they are >> complete. >> >> Now, let the debate begin ... >> >> Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Aug 29, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Bill Connell wrote: >> The software analogy is flawed, because the vast majority of software >> users don't maintain and modify their own apps, but they certainly can >> work on their own bikes. > > The analogy is apt here. A lot of folks on this list do work on their own > bikes. > > And the software I work on is open source so it is much more apparent > like bikes, to work on. Apt for you, sure, but a lot more people work on their bikes than on software. The analogy is works if you compare adjusting threaded headsets to coding in Java, and threadless to writing HTML (no compiler needed). Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: midge, junebug, woodchipper, etc
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > I have a burley tandem with a threadless headset/stem and having to > move it around to get the bars up was a giant pain in the ass. > > I had a bianchi castro valley, same thing, In general, I've found that > since getting a rivendell that headset adjustment and maintenance, > including raising and lowering the bars, give me much less heartburn. > > I'm not pulling the idea of not like threadless from a place of zero > experience with them. I'm coming from my own personal experience and > watching what happens with normal use of a bike for me. > > I have no doubt that you have vastly more experience from the > perspective of a bike shop owner and mechanic. Furthermore, I have no > doubt that threadless is easier for a bike shop to deal with. HOWEVER, > I do not buy a bike for the bike mechanic at the bike shop. I do not > buy anything b/c it is easier for the mechanics to work on it. I buy > it b/c it is easier for ME to use. > > Remember, the mechanics can love whatever technology they will love, > but if it just continues to annoy customers then that's not good at > all. > > I speak to that from well over a decade in computing - a field where > ignoring what is actually USEFUL to the customer in exchange for what > is easier for the developer has been promoted to HIGH ART. The software analogy is flawed, because the vast majority of software users don't maintain and modify their own apps, but they certainly can work on their own bikes. Threadless systems eliminate one required specialized tool, and are far easier for a lay person to adjust correctly than most threaded headsets. I resisted threadless 9/8 steerers for a long time, but i've come around as a fan. If you're a new rider, or riding a new style of bike for you, the steerer should be left uncut until the fit is dialed in. I don't think that most cyclists are going to dramatically change their bar height over their lifetime with a bike, and tweaking things by a cm either way once the steerer is cut is really not a big deal. Swapping out stems for a change in reach is far easier on 9/8, assuming you're using open-faced stems. The only thing for me that's superior about 1" threaded is aesthetics; I like the look of skinnier frame tubes, and that could be reason enough to use that size on certain types of bikes. The downsides though, are many: more limited bar choices, a real hassle to change bars or stem, and most importantly a significantly more flexible front-end. Steel stems greatly help with this, but there are few options in steel quill stems nowadays (being unable to afford a Bruce Gorden chicken neck stem). The stem on my 9/8 Crosscheck is a 1/2-lugged Nitto, and the most beautiful stem i own, so it's certainly possible to match styles. My next frame (whatever it is) will definitely be 9/8 threadless, and once the fit is dialed in, it'll get a really nice stem too. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The final frame drawing lesson is up
Yes, i ended up with 12. Just last night i compiled the pages, bought some big graph paper and gave it a try. It's a very interesting lesson in the considerations, much more to it than the 2 basic angles. I'm going to do a little more research to understand rake/trail and how it looks on paper - i think i have it straight, but maybe not. I'm used to thinking in terms of trail rather than rake. Now that i've been through it once, i'm going to draw up a couple more to play with different angles and TT slopes, it's a fun exercise. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Philip Williamson wrote: > There are 12, right? > > Philip > > On Aug 26, 5:59 pm, William wrote: >> Didn't quite end with the flourish that I might have worked myself up >> to expect. Anyway, pull down all the PDF's and go through it if >> you've been waiting. Grant says he'll pull them down, for reasons >> that are not obvious to me. >> >> What I drew was a 650B road/brevet bike. It look a LOT like a 58cm >> Saluki/Hilsen. The only differences worth noting are that I used a >> hair more top tube upslope than the AHH. Also, if I had a custom >> built, mine would be 130mm spaced, and I'd spec lighter tubing and >> fewer braze-ons. >> >> When Grant revealed that he ordered 10 650B 58cm Hilsens, though, I >> took that as a nudge to just buy one of those. That's what I'm saving >> up for now as a next Riv. >> >> The next frame drawing project I'm going to do is superimpose all my >> bikes on top of each other, including the captain end of my tandem. >> It'll be interesting to see how they all line up in the relative >> arrangement of my three contact points: feet, butt, hands. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, & Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
Pffftt. Kids these days. Pull up those pants! Stand up straight! Comb your hair! Match those wheels! What, were you raised in a barn? And get off my lawn! On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > The wisest amongst us yearn instead for conspicuous minimalist consumption: > > http://taticycles.com/p/396 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1PN0/TGlE5XPP6nI/QNM/z1VA1Tug9po/s1600/Another+TATI+White+Label+Build.jpeg > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM, bfd wrote: >> >> >> I don't get it what's with all the randonneur worshipping? I know >> people here consider "racing" to be a bad word as it represents all >> that is supposedly wrong with bicycling. Yet, randonneur is consider >> good?! >> >> What I don't understand is both racing and randonneuring require >> massive amount of time, commitment and training. You can't do either >> well without putting in the time. >> >> Further, it also appears to require bikes that can be costly. *True* >> racing bikes can cost in excess of $5K to 10K or more, i.e., think top >> of the line Trek Madone, Specialized S-Work Tarmac or even something >> like a Pegoretti Love #3...OK, the last is suppose to be a joke as I >> know there's a bunch of controversy about it :_P. Similarly, a *true* >> rando bike can be just as costly, especially if you ache for something >> French like a Herse or Singer. >> > > > -- > Patrick Moore > Albuquerque, NM > For professional resumes, contact > Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, & Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:04 PM, bfd wrote: > Is the attraction that you can ride a bike that is custom fitted for > things like racks, lights, fat tires and fenders? Couldn't a cross > style bike with fenders, lights and racks work just as well? After > all, you can race/train/rando on just about anything, right? Thanks! I don't know that i'd call it 'worship', but if you're doing very long, often mixed-terrain rides, the rando bike is the ultimate tool. Basically the randonneuse is to the all-rounder/light tourer as the racing bike is to the average road bike. Like with many things, as you do more of it, the tools you use get more sophisticated and purpose-built. In the rando world, that generally means designing and building the bike to reduce the number of fasteners that can loosen, parts that break or wear to quickly and permanent solutions such as dyno wheels rather than battery lights. Since these bikes are generally built on custom frames, they can go with the details as the owner wants to, often building the frame to fit a specific set of parts. The framebuilders i've talked to often say that a really complete randonneuse frame will end up costing more than one of their top racing frames simply because of the time it takes to fabricate and add those details. I've done many on- and off-road century rides on a standard road bike or my cross bike with the necessary equipment added, and didn't feel the bike lacking, but i could certainly see getting a custom if i were riding more and the budget allowed. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's frame-drawing posts - link to #7?
I assumed it was just an extra day or so between steps. I've been just collecting them to do them all together, but will probably get started this weekend. I'm hoping we'll also have a step on forks and deciding rake, bend radius, etc. I spent an evening hanging out with a friend who's building his second frame and have the bug again to try it myself. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:15 PM, William wrote: > I wonder why Grant stopped at #8. I'm looking at fork crowns, and > thinking about how I'd file my lugs waiting for the next step. > > On Aug 13, 9:39 am, Tim McNamara wrote: >> On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:08 AM, CycloFiend wrote: >> >> > on 8/13/10 8:17 AM, Philip Williamson at >> > philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> I missed number 7 in Grant's series of "How To Draw a Stick Figure >> >> Bicycle." >> >> Does anyone have a link to the PDF for #7, or a quick recap of what's >> >> covered? >> >> > They were all "Peeking through the knothole" posts, and are >> > bloggically >> > archived here - >> >> >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole >> >> "Bloggically?" Potential there for a whole new addition to the >> language beside "blogosphere." "Blogviation," "blogosity," >> "blogonimity," "blogition," "blogism," "blogophilia," "blogophobia," >> etc. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Man-Topic [Shaving Facial Hair]
Looks like they never went away: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wind-up+shaver On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:56 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > Slightly o/t: > > I long for the day some genius comes out with (actually recreates - I > believe these were on the market once) a wind up shaver to take > camping. Blades are a pain when staying outdoors. Camp grounds with > electric - are - well just not what I have in mind when camping. You > can get nice wind up radios. Why not a wind up shaver? > > At home I use cartridges but the handle itself is a swell upscale > nickel plated steel thing. I've shaved every day of my adult life. > Though I have very brown hair atop my head, some long ago ancestor > from the Alsace had red hair and saw fit to cede these to my beard. > > Perhaps I should have been a pirate ... > > On Aug 11, 4:22 pm, "S.Cutshall" wrote: >> Odd? Unrelated? I think not [Rivendell sells Porto-Shaving-Cream, >> so... ]. >> >> I am not one to shave often. When I do it's for two distinct reasons: >> >> 1. I look up, while brushing teeth, and jump with fright at what I >> see looking back at me in the mirror. >> >> Or... >> >> 2. My wife and/or daughter tell me to [because I repulse them]. >> >> Fair enough. >> >> For years, and because I have a 'Stache, I've simply used an 'lectric >> trimmer [no, not an actual electric shaver--more of an electric beard >> trimmer] and it leaves a fair amount of stubble... so I am not really >> ever -that- shaved right after I shave. >> >> So, I grew [pun] tired of the stubbled look and began a search for a >> non-electric shaver that doesn't look an Apple product or like a Casio >> "Baby-G" wristwatch, or is not disposable... and it took a minute >> too. And then I found a site called "Classic Shaving"... wow, the >> choices were about as endless as looking for a new tire pump on a walk >> through Interbike. >> >> In the end, I selected a nice German shaver, a Merkur [just like my >> dad used when I was a youngster], some blades, a nice brush, mug and >> some cream. Cost around $160.00 for the whole setup, but I figure >> it'll save money over time, space in land fills and I can have a >> better shave [when I remember to do it]. >> >> Anyway else here shave 'Old Skool'? >> >> Was tempted to enter my toes into the world of Straight Razors but the >> prices for those [plus all the additional accessories] -and the >> thoughts of all the failures while in the Learning Curve stage Re: >> loss of facial skin- put the kibosh on that. >> >> PS--> Guess this could be a Lady-Topic too [but I doubt many women >> would own up to having facial hair that needs shaving]. >> >> -Scott > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Man-Topic [Shaving Facial Hair]
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 4:22 PM, S.Cutshall wrote: > Anyway else here shave 'Old Skool'? I've been using a brush and soap for many years, i vastly prefer it. I'm bearded at the moment, but even when i'm shaving regularly a cake of Bert's Bees soap seems to last for a couple of years and so costs virtually nothing. I use standard modern cartridge razors, but recently learned that you can get extra life out of them by stropping them on a pair of jeans. I haven't tried the old skool safety razors, but maybe next time i lose the beard i'll try one out - hardly seems worth it for a weekly neck shave. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant discounts the value of top tube length
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Bob Cooper wrote: > The top tube should really be measured from a point in space that is > directly above the bottom bracket spindle to the center of the headset > lock nut and level with the lock nut. I think that's an important measurement to know, as is the opposite - the setback from that point to the top of the seat post, but those are really just pieces of the overall reach measurement. If i understand Grant's post correctly, his approach puts the priority on proper saddle position first, and the TT length is simply whatever it needs to be to get the bars within the range of adjustability that bars and stem will cover. If you know your preferred reach and bar height, the bars you want to use and desired stem length, the TT length is naturally derived from the earlier decisions. This is a custom frame drawing, of course, which is why deciding the TT length ahead of time is meaningless. When shopping for an already-built frame, it IS important to know your reach, and be able to take those frame measurements to decide if it will be within the range of reasonable seatpost and stem adjustability to get the fit you want. I think what Grant is saying is that the TT number can't be looked at in an isolated way when ST angle, HT angle and bar height also affect reach. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Hillbourne handling - was: Grant discounts the value of top tube length
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:49 PM, andrew hill wrote: > it's a factor for me too - 84.5 pbh and 5'11 for me. > > not totally sure how to compensate.. i end up pushing the seat way back and > putting the bars up high .. but i think that unweights the front end a bit > too much, and contributes to wandering handling on my Sam Hillborne. > > -andrew > > On Aug 9, 2010, at 8:01 PM, kps wrote: > >> >> >> On Aug 9, 9:35 pm, cyclotourist wrote: >>> Every woman I know has had a tremendously hard time fitting frames (whatever >>> the maker) due to "reach." >> >> it's definitely a factor for me. i'm 5'8-1/2" or so, with a pbh of >> 84.45 This note on the frame drawing thread struck me, as both Andrew and Patrick Moore have said the same thing. I'm surprised, actually, that even on the slacker (even by Riv standards) Hillbourne seat tube you still feel the need to push the saddle so far back, though that would certainly explain the feeling that the front-end is too light. Seat positioning is a highly individual thing, but it seems like in these cases it's more a way to compensate for a short-feeling TT. Forgive me if i've missed something in earlier posts, but have you both tried longer stems? How does your Hillbourne position compare to other bikes (esp. setback from BB and reach)? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A tale of two Hillbornes
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/08/versatile-sam-hillborne.html I've seen these in person, the knobbied version really looks great, ready to explore about anywhere you want to go. I love that orange color of this batch too. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Camping/Biking around Minneapolis area
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:19 PM, JB wrote: > Thanks All, > > 20 - 30 miles out is about where I wanted to be. A good ride in, > spend some time visiting the city and then back for a good meal at > camp and a good night's rest. > > Any ideas on good bike centric places to ride? Check out the Minneapolis Midtown Greenway and the Cedar Lake Trail, our bike superhighways. There's also nice riding along the river roads (either side), Summit Avenue in St. Paul and downtown Mpls. Hiawatha Cyclery is the only shop in town that carries Rivendells (they had 2 Hillbournes on the floor last week) and is worth a stop, as is One On One bikes downtown, Freewheel bikes on the Greenway, and Angry Catfish Coffee and Bikes in South Mpls. A great way to start is to pick up the Twin Cities Bike Map in any bike shop, that'll have a good reference for off-street trails and on-street biking routes around town. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Mike wrote: > ... Larch Mountain on my Quickbeam from my house in Portland. About 80 > or so miles round trip. The 14 mile climb up to Larch Mountain went by > smoothly enough for the first 10 miles but the last 4 miles were > rough, much tougher than anticipated. Still, I managed and got to take > in some great views from Sherrard Pt. at the summit. I'll probably > ride up there once more before the end of summer but doubt I'll do it > on the Quickbeam. > > Here are some photos: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624516053177/ Looks beautiful! I've found climbing easier on a fixed gear bike, but i haven't done any over 14 miles (there aren't any around here). Also: DFW FTW. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Camping/Biking around Minneapolis area
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:04 AM, JB wrote: > Does anyone know of a campground in the Minneapolis area where a guy > could drive to and then bike into the city on a bike trail? I may be > visiting friends later in the year and would like to camp, but would > want to leave my truck at the campsite and travel by bike while there. The Three Rivers parks will probably be the closest to town, though you'll still have a 20-30-mile ride from camp, depending on where you're heading in the city. The Carver Park campground is definitely accessible by bike path, some friends bike out there to camp last year. http://www.threeriversparks.org/activities/camping.aspx The U of M Cyclopath project is a great way to find bike routes around the Twin Cities metro area (it doesn't go past the outer 'burbs). http://cyclopath.org/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: I'm going to draw my own frame! Who else will follow along?
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, pruckelshaus wrote: >> Don't stop at drawing it, build it! I built my first frame this past >> spring, had a blast, learned a lot, and ended up with one of the >> nicest frames I've ever ridden! >> > > I realize this is off-topic but Mike Flanigan of ANT bikes in > massachussets offers a bike building class where you get one one one > lessons and leave the class with a bike frame. I know at least one > person who has taken this course and he really enjoyed it. > > http://antbikemike.wordpress.com/br-3/ Doug Fattic in Michigan also does framebuilding classes, in fact i think he's mostly teaching now and now building many frames. A friend here in town took the class last fall and made a beautiful road frame. I know other local builders will sometimes take on an apprentice, but there aren't that many who do regular classes. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] I'm going to draw my own frame! Who else will follow along?
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:25 PM, William wrote: > Grant is apparently going to teach us how to draw a bike frame in his > little step by step way. I'm going to follow along. I want a custom > frame that somewhat resembles a 58cm 650B A. Homer Hilsen. The > critical differences will be that I want it 130mm spaced and want it > to be a lighter frameset. I don't know if I'll ever get this frameset > made, or whether it will be a Rivendell or an Ebisu or a Davidson or > something else. But I'm looking forward to drawing it. I've done a > fair amount of drafting table work in Engineering school, but never > went ahead and drew a bike. Looking forward to it. I'm in for sure! I'd like to try to build my own frame eventually, and it'll be really interesting to have Grant's take on the design process, especially since whatever i end up building will no doubt have a hefty dose of Riv influence. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Grip King Impressions
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Ginz wrote: > Took my first ride with a set of Grip Kings yesterday, thirty miles > after which I never felt better. I may never go back to clips and > straps. I learned that I like being able to put my foot exactly where > I want it and I seem to want it father forward than with toe clips. > No more pedal cages digging into my sole (nor my soul.) > > I would not mind if they were a little more grippy, so I'll probably > try adding some spikes. > > Is anyone else a convert? Any tips on removing the dust cap so I can > adjust the bearings? I like the GK pedals a lot, they're more comfortable with soft-soled shoes than the MKS touring (i also have long feet). I haven't rebuilt mine yet, but apparently the dust cap just pries straight out. I once tried unscrewing it with a pin tool and it didn't budge. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O: tent or no tent?
I'm with Jim. Weather- and weight-wise there's no reason to carry a tent this time of year around here, but i'd do it just for the bugs after dark. When shopping for a family tent earlier this year, my 2 main criteria were very good ventilation for hot buggy nights, and full coverage with the rain fly (because when it does rain on me camping, it seems to come sideways). -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Jim Cloud wrote: > If mosquitos are a significant concern, I'd suggest that you carry a > tent. Most of my camping experiences (backpacking and bicycle > touring) have included a tent. I've always had a small backpacking > tent which was lightweight and easy to carry (currently an older > Sierra Designs Flashlight model, which weighs slightly over 3 lbs.). > > Having mosquitos hungrily humming around your exposed body is not a > nice way to experience the great outdoors! Depending on where you > plan to camp, a tent also gives you a bit of privacy. > > Jim Cloud > Tucson, AZ > > On Jul 17, 7:27 am, Mike wrote: >> So tent or no tent for an S24O? This is actually more of a +24O where >> I'm gonna do approx 60 miles the first day and maybe 100+ the second >> day, taking in SW portions of the Mt Hood National Forest. I'm >> tentatively planning on camping by a lake so I'm thinking there's >> gonna be mosquitos so I'm thinking I might want my tent... well, and >> it is OR, so rain is always a possibility... I like the idea of nixing >> the tent as I could just carry everything in my Carradice Nelson LF >> and a medium Wald basket up front. Just kind of curious what people >> think. Obviously if there's any chance of rain in the forecast I'll >> take the tent. >> >> Tentative plan is to do this ride over two days as opposed to one day >> which totally wrecked me last year. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157621778650380/ >> >> Riv content: I'm gonna ride my Hilsen. >> >> --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] How do you Southerners do this?
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:48 AM, MichaelH wrote: > It's been in the high 80's to mid 90s here in nothern VT for the past > two weeks, with dew ponts around 70. I find I'm getting slower and > slower. I keep topped up on fluids and electrolites, but I am finding > myself feeling pretty fried. This mornings commute took about 20 > -25% longer, just because ... well just because I went so much > slower. I'm pretty good riding in temps between 15 - 85, but this is > draining me. > > How do those of you from souther Cal, or NM do this? You must have to > ride in this kind of weather for a big chunk of the year. We can get terrible heat indexes in MN with high humidity. As Gordy noted, acclimatization is the key, and riding every day (or as much as possible) helps do this gradually. My morning commutes are usually in the mid 60s, which is perfect riding weather for me, and i suffer through whatever it does in the afternoon. I do more night rides in the summer, which can be lovely and cool and quiet after a hot day. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Please help me wrap my head around this
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:58 PM, d2mini wrote: > So if I get thumbies, then i can keep my derailleurs, correct? Yep, moving to a flat bar you'll just need new brake levers and shifters, the rest of the drivetrain will be fine. I was going to suggest trying a wider drop bar like the 46 or 48cm Noodle, but if you aren't using the drop position anyway and know you like the flat bar, just go that route. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: dat funky Riv
: > > > > > > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com>]On > Behalf Of Grant > > > > Petersen > > > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:20 PM > > > > To: > > > > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com> > > > > Subject: [RBW] dat funky > > > > Riv > > > > > > Well, now I know how Louis Vuitton feels (I've always > > > > been curious). I've been know to have brain farts (and grain > farts), but I'm > > > > thinking what lugs are those? They aren't ours. We did use Henry > James crowns > > > > for about 20 frames for a while there, till we got our own. The > dropouts are > > > > raised in back but not in front, and that wasn't a WF style back > then. The > > > > fork rake looks a bit better than the early WF-builts (nowhere > close to > > > > post-'97). The seller may not know how to measure a chainstay, so I > can't go > > > > by the 42cm listing (I think the shortest ever was 42.5). But > mainly, the > > > > lugs. > > > > > > It seems odd to me. too, that JB would paint one that-a-way. Once > > > > somebody owns it, it's their deal, and we don't hold JB to any > style (he > > > > knows what I like, but a guy's got a right to make a living). I > called him > > > > now, line's busy, I'll try again. > > > > > > The serial number would tell the > > > > story. The seller de-listed it, I think. If it's a Riv underneath > that "pump > > > > instead of seat tube" paint job, then fine etc., but at this point > I'm still > > > > guessing it's not. > > > > > > G > > > > -- > > > > Grant > > > > Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com > > > > 925 933 7304 > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email > > > > to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com> > . > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send > > > > email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > > > > For more options, > > > > visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com> > . > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+ > unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > _________ > > > > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts > with Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid...quotedtext > - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com> > . > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+ > unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+ > unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Fw:URL Odd small Riv on Ebay
I nominate this the best thread of the year. All this detective work has been fun! Taylor - post some pictures when you get it, i missed the original auction, would be interesting to see. Bill On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:06 PM, grant wrote: > The Funkadelik Riv was a 52cm prototype made before we had our lugs. A > pre-prototype, if there is such a thing. Or, a pre-pre... > I got the invoice. It says (52cm prototype) and is dated 10-30-95. > > I am impressed that so many of you knew so many details & history! > > (not that I'm worth impressing, just stating a fact) > > G > > On Jul 11, 5:20 pm, Doug Van Cleve wrote: >> I agree, very odd. Nothing about it says Rivendell except the decals, but >> JB wouldn't refinish a non-Riv with those decals would he? >> >> Doug >> >> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 1:58 PM, trevor segraves wrote: >> >> > Almost forgot >> >> >http://tinyurl.com/2emhsfw >> >> > - Forwarded Message >> > *From:* trevor segraves >> > *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >> > *Sent:* Sun, July 11, 2010 1:31:16 PM >> > *Subject:* Odd small Riv on Ebay >> >> > Simple lugs, Henry James crown, granted it is a small frame, but nothing on >> > this bike says Riv to me accept the decals and badge, even the water bottle >> > bosses seam oddly placed. >> > Any thoughts? >> > Trevor > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Tire and Bar Tape Color Help
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Johnny Alien wrote: > Hey guys! > > Slightly off Riv topics I picked up a 91 Bridgestone RB-2. Very nice > bike and it is in amazing condition. > > Now on topic with Riv stuff. I need to get some bar tape for the > aforementioned bike. It came stock with white but I don't like white > especially with cloth tape. I plan to do cloth tape, twine and > shellac (not sure if amber or clear that depends on color). It is > silver with blue accents. I think going blue might be too obvious and > maybe overplaying the blue. I am almost thinking of going green like > celery or dark pine. Thoughts? I know some of you have very great > taste in colored bar tape. If you don't mind dark tape, i'd suggest black tape in a diamond weave with medium blue. For tires, i like the Paselas - the 28mm size rides well and (at least for me) are pretty flat resistant. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish Doping
Also organic cabbage leaves for under your helmet, and French newspapers to put under your jersey for cold descents. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Mike wrote: > Don't think of it as a doping line, think of it as first aid supplies. > It should also include scalpels for blood-letting and leeches. > > --mike > > On Jul 12, 8:26 pm, Steve wrote: >> Lance's poor times and accidents in the Tour make me consider my own >> lousy performance in the Iowa Rando 200k ride this April: fatigue, >> loss of energy, inability to hold my own against the younger crowd. >> Is it time for a Riv Old School Doping Line: leather blood bags made >> from real sheepskins; IV needles made by hand from Sheffield steel in >> the last Adam Smith pin manufactory in the Midlands; testosterone >> patches of waxed cotton from famous old Scottish mills supplying the >> Crown? This could be a big opportunity. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Finally did it
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Mike wrote: > I'll be back on the bike and plan on doing a couple of > centuries, including one pedaling free (platform pedals) I've done 2 centuries this year (mostly gravel), both using Grip King pedals and my usual sneakers, and i didn't notice any real difference on the ride from earlier road centuries while clipped in. No foot problems at all. I'm planning to ride this weekend's century the same way. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Finally did it
Congrats! It was a nice day for it yesterday too. Where did you ride? On Jul 11, 2010, at 4:32 PM, EricP wrote: > Rode a century yesterday. Unfortunately, for the purposes of this > list, it was not on my Sam Hillborne. A couple of issues (mostly > resolved this morning) kept it from being the choice. > > Didn't die, get overly sick or fall asleep under a tree. Although the > last might have been fun. Only downsides were getting stung on the > leg when something got caught in my MUSA shorts, and a flat. The > latter happened just as I was rolling home. Rode down the hill to our > place on the rim. > > Photos here -http://tinyurl.com/333zafe > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Rivendell Redwood
With no interest thus far, i'm reducing the price to $1300 (plus actual shipping). I'll likely start parting it out this week if there are no takers - last chance! http://wjc.fidean.net/log/2010/07/06/rivendell-redwood-for-sale/ Thanks -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Bill Connell wrote: > I've come to the hard decision to sell my Redwood. It's in great > shape, ridden well but not abused, about 3,000 miles on it over almost > 6 years, never been crashed. I'm asking $1450 for it (plus actual > shipping, if needed), complete minus saddle and pedals, and will > entertain reasonable offers. I've written up a full description with > photos on my blog (below), let me know if you have any questions. > > http://wjc.fidean.net/log/2010/07/06/rivendell-redwood-for-sale/ > > Cheers > > -- > Bill Connell > St. Paul, MN > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 65cm Rivendell Redwood
Well, the idea of selling had been in the back of my mind, and David's post got me moving on it. I corresponded with him before listing the bike, but it sounds like he'd prefer a frame/fork only, and i'd prefer to sell the bike complete. I'll be contacting him in the event i decide to part out the bike. cheers, Bill On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Will wrote: > Bill, did you see this post? http://bit.ly/b20rni > > Looks like David's "wild stab in the dark" wasn't so wild. > > > > On Jul 7, 12:18 am, Bill Connell wrote: >> I've come to the hard decision to sell my Redwood. It's in great >> shape, ridden well but not abused, about 3,000 miles on it over almost >> 6 years, never been crashed. I'm asking $1450 for it (plus actual >> shipping, if needed), complete minus saddle and pedals, and will >> entertain reasonable offers. I've written up a full description with >> photos on my blog (below), let me know if you have any questions. >> >> http://wjc.fidean.net/log/2010/07/06/rivendell-redwood-for-sale/ >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Bill Connell >> St. Paul, MN > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 65cm Rivendell Redwood
I've come to the hard decision to sell my Redwood. It's in great shape, ridden well but not abused, about 3,000 miles on it over almost 6 years, never been crashed. I'm asking $1450 for it (plus actual shipping, if needed), complete minus saddle and pedals, and will entertain reasonable offers. I've written up a full description with photos on my blog (below), let me know if you have any questions. http://wjc.fidean.net/log/2010/07/06/rivendell-redwood-for-sale/ Cheers -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Shorts--MUSA alternatives
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Mike wrote: > I find myself riding less and less in bibs and more and more in my > MUSA knickers. In spite of the current rain here in Portland I'm still > hoping summer is on the way. I have two pairs of MUSA shorts and like > them although they're just a tad too short and billowy for me. I wish > Riv would make them a bit longer and narrower in the leg but I doubt > that'll happen. I'm curious what other shorts people use. For pedaling > around town I have a couple pair of Ben Davis pants cut and hemmed and > they're great but not something I would want to wear for 60 mile ride. > Any suggestions? Have you tried J&G's shorts? http://www.bicycleclothing.com/ They're not just MUSA, but local to you. I haven't tried the shorts, but i'm happy with the wind jacket i have. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis bike rentals?
Hiawatha is certainly worth a visit, but i don't think they do rentals. Calhoun Rentals near Uptown, Mpls has them (http://www.calhounrental.com/), as does the Midtown Freewheel bike shop (http://freewheelbike.com/articles/bike-rentals-pg309.htm). If you're just tootling around town, you should check out our brand new citywide bike rental system: http://www.niceridemn.org/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:14 PM, doug peterson wrote: > Tim: > > Check with Jim Thill at Hiawatha: > > http://hiawathacyclery.com/cart/ > > If he doesn't, he may know someone who does. > > dougP > > On Jul 1, 12:07 pm, Timothy Whalen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am in Minneapolis Friday and Saturday with some time to ride. Anyone know >> of a place that would rent a Riv style bike? >> Thanks, >> Tim > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Okay, it's a contest. There's no prize for being first, no shame in > never finishing. A "no drop" contest, if you will. > > Does anyone notice what's missing from the frameset? The 3rd top tube? looks complete to me otherwise, just needs parts and some dirt :-) -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > I stand chastised. I can only offer an apology and the explanation > that I was tired (hey, it's after midnight!) and excited (hey, I got a > Riv!). > > Quality... I don't have. Quantity I have. Pick out the best picture. > Whatever one you think that is, that's the one my wife took. I took > the others. > > http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/Samuel%20Hillborne?h=a84ae5 > > There'll be more as I build it up. It really does look wonderful! I really like that color, looking forward to the built-up pix. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Whenever I see a photo of Grant's bikes, I want to clean them!
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Mojo wrote: > http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/317/original_grim_three.jpg > I think the above URL should be changed from grim to grime! > > I like getting my bikes dirty, but it is not alot of work to clean > them afterward. > Drivetrain grime especially gets in the way of crisp shifting. > And I paid a heck-of-alot-of-moola for that JB paint job! > Nice bikes deserve to be cleaned. And even my beatup 1966 3-speed is a > nice bike in my book. > Of course this says alot more about me than Grant. Maybe because i don't have a JB paint job, but i'm also pretty lax about overall bike cleaning. I'll wipe down and relube the drivetrain and the brakes if they're making noise, but unless a bike really gets caked with mud i'll just ride it. I also end up riding in the rain just often enough to rinse things down. Maybe once a year or so i'l give a bike a proper cleaning and rebuild as needed, but that's it. If anything, i'm inspired by the dirt and wear on Grant's bikes, it reminds us that these are meant to be ridden hard and well-used. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Hard to Let Go
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:23 PM, S.Cutshall wrote: > Our daughter, Chloe, has been asking both me & my wife about our first > solo rides as kids. This all started easily enough, I didn't -for > one- see where she was going with these questions... eventually > though, it was obvious, she wanted to go solo herself. > > We put it off for weeks, months, and then we ran out of excuses and > such: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/30264...@n00/sets/72157624241117087/ > > It was beyond difficult for me, sort of for my wife [but she's tougher > than I], and an adventure into the first steps of independence for > Chloe. > > **Rivendell Content** Chloe has been in the Reader a couple times, and > she believe in 'Steel" as well as cloth tape & hemp twine... not to > mention, Friction Shifting. So, there! Congrats to Chloe! She'll be the one planning your bike tours before long. I was nervous the first time i let my kid ride around the block solo earlier this year, glad i can put off the first long solo trip for a little while yet. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] my new Roadeo RCP
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:42 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:37 PM, nathan spindel wrote: >> >> Kim, what a beautiful bike! Enjoy it. Looks like a blast to ride. >> >> Patrick, what about the 185's do you prefer over the Noodle's? Is it >> that you dislike the Noodle flat ramp? >> >> -nathan >> > I like the short reach and find the ramp actually comfortable (and, I set up > the hooks so that the bottoms are perfectly level with terra firma, as God > decreed we all ought to do) with the right (old pre brifter Dura Ace) levers > positioned just right. I'm getting used to the "bump" in the middle of the > Noodle ramp and, on the Sam HIll, with the bars far higher than on my other > Rivs, it makes a nice, upright cruising position, but the hoods (Shimano > aero levers) are not as comfortable for some reason. I have 42s on my two > other Rivs but by chance got 44s for the Motobecane and like those even > better. I can see how the 185s would be more comfortable for riders who like lower bars; the angle of the ramp is probably similar to a Noodle at saddle height or higher. Riding a Noodle bar set very low might even put too much bend in your wrists for comfort. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Kid bike recommendations (geared, for a 4'8" kid)
The Redline Conquest is a really nice, versatile bike that comes in a small size with 24" wheels. I think typical retail new is about double your range, but a used one would be about right. So many kid bikes are mountain bikes, if they're riding mostly on paved surfaces this might be a better option. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Earl Grey wrote: > We are thinking of getting my nephew a new bike, since he has outgrown > his bmx. He wants gears, and we can't spend more than $250-300. Any > ideas about good (if not Rivish) kids bikes? > > Thanks, > > Gernot > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: SUZUE Bearing Replacement
It looks like Bike Tools Etc. carries a couple of hub bearing presses: http://biketoolsetc.com/index.cgi?id=146799419354&c=Tools&sc=Hub-and-Axle&tc=Bearing-Tools I've heard that you can generally remove them with a long punch or cheap spring tool, the site above has one for $4. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Larry Powers wrote: > I could not find one there. My LBS can handle this so for now that will do > the trick. > > Larry Powers > > Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain > > > > >> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:43:27 -0700 >> Subject: [RBW] Re: SUZUE Bearing Replacement >> From: philcyc...@gmail.com >> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >> >> >> >> On Jun 23, 8:00 pm, Larry Powers wrote: >> > I had a wobble in the rear wheel of my Quickbeam. I found that the nuts >> > on one side were loose and thought it would be an easy fix. Even after >> > tightening the nuts there was still a bit of a wobble so it is time to >> > replacement bearings. >> > >> > I pulled off the nuts on both sides and the dust cover on one side so I >> > could see the bearings. What next? How do I extricate the bearings? Last >> > wheel I worked on had cup and cone bearings and the Park tool website did >> > not have a description of how to remove cartridge bearings. >> > >> > Thanks in advance. >> > >> > Larry Powers >> > >> >> >> Suzue/.Sunshine/Suntour sealed bearing hubs required a special tool to >> pull the bearings that Loose Screws used to sell. Do they still? Good >> question. >> Phil Brown >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Tektro CR720 canti brakes
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 3:42 PM, johnb wrote: > Anyone have experience with these? Do they interfere with a rear/front > rack? Good/suck? I am assuming since Riv carries them that they do not > suck but would like other opinions. I put a set on my Crosscheck about 18 months ago, i like 'em. Very easy to set up, i'd say biased more toward modulation than v-brake-like power (though that's a subjective thing) but plenty strong enough even for cyclocross racing. I've occasionally had a bit of fork shudder with them under some circumstances, but it's rare. I just recently had to replace the original pad cartridges in the rear, so probably 2,000 miles on them. I haven't had a rack on that bike since switching to these brakes, so i can't comment on that. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The Bleriot Build...
I was wondering about this too, i'm sure it's a bunch of very mixed emotions to realize that BB1 isn't the right bike for you any more, it has certainly served you well. I'll be really interested to see what Bob cooks up for you next, the bike he built for Amy is a real beauty. Link up some pictures when it's done! On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 4:58 AM, S.Cutshall wrote: > Sadly on one hand [so many fantastic memories, plus... how can I even > begin to process personally what that bike has done for & with me?], > and excitedly on the other [because it kind of means "Success, look > what you've accomplished... "] the answer is, Yes I am. > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Single Speed
I don't have a Quickbeam, but have used a 3-cog SS setup for a couple of years. You can shift by stopping (of course), loosening the QR, moving the chain as needed and retightening the QR. There's only so much gear range that the dropout length will cover with the same chain, but on my Crosscheck set up thusly i can use a 42x16,18,20, and i'd expect a Quickbeam's fork end to have a similar range. I use a standard 8-speed chain, never had a problem with the deflection of being 'out of chainline' 1 cog over either way. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Dave G wrote: > I had about talked myself into the SimpleOne, but now looks like we > have another year (or at least many months) to anticipate this model. > I have been "training" for single speed by leaving the Bleriot in a > gear ratio similar to what is available for single speeds. > > Question for you Quickbeam owners: Can you really "hand shift" > between gears if you have a dual cog freewheel like the White > Industries duals Riv sells? I assume you are off the bike while doing > this, but I'm totally uninformed on this topic. I would welcome > comments from enthusiasts about the joy of single speeds and why it is > worth the wait for next generation Quickbeam. > > Hope Grant keeps the prototype "burgandy" color--unique and very > classy! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Mustache bars on a Peugeot?
Yes, the m-bars should give you a bit more reach with the same stem than you'd get with drop bars, assuming you're riding mostly out on the hooks (the most usual position). I had my m-bars on a Peugeot a few years back, and the only tip i'd give is to use a standard stem to fit the bars and sand the quill to fit the steerer. Sadly, I tried getting the Nitto m-bars into that French stem and scratched the hell out of the bar's sleeve - still perfectly usable, but not as pretty. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/french.html#stems -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:13 PM, kent wrote: > This is only tangentially Riv related (the tangent is that the > mustache bar in question would be purchased from Rivendell...) > > I was given a slightly ratty, but solid mid 70's Peugeot PX-10 on the > condition that I actually rode it. No problem. For a variety of > reasons I stripped it down and made a fixie out of it (brakeless at > the moment, but not in a quest to be hip, only because I haven't got > the front Mafac cabled back up.) The frame is almost a good fit... my > one difficulty is with the drop bars, which feel too close > (horizontally) and leave too much pressure on my wrists. I've tweaked > the position of both the saddle and the bars and things improved a > little, but the 'too tight' feeling remains. I suspect that mustache > bars would put me far enough forward to be comfortable (and I've > wanted an excuse to buy/try a set for some time anyway.) > > I guess the question then is, am I right or am I just justifying a > shiny new toy? Does a mustache bar let you stretch out more (assuming > a stem of the same proportions?) If I"m going to have to buy a new > stem (ISO bars being too fat for petite French stems) and bar, I'd > like to have a decent assurance that this might work out. =) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rapha Waxed Cotton Cap - "Gentleman's Cap"
I'm going to be a little contrary on this, though i'm certainly one to appreciate local, handmade goods. I'm a little bothered by the idea that just because something is made in China that it by necessity has to be cheap, and yet that's an argument that's come up here a couple of times. It's certainly true that products *can* be make more cheaply in China (and many other places with lower labor costs), but it doesn't mean that everything made there is cheap, or inherently worth less than something made in another place. We aren't talking about craft, hand-made goods, these are factory products. High-end products certainly, but there's nothing inherently different about the quality of the product that results from a Chinese factory -vs- a British one. Would a Brooks made in Italy be a different quality or price than one from the original factory? Or a Sturmey hub from Taiwan? (though there are certainly design differences in that case). I've read several accounts of the terrible quality of Bianchi frames from the Italy shop years back and how it improved on some models when production for them moved to Asia. My Rivendell was made in Japan, and i don't think it's any better or worse than if it had been made in the US, though it was almost certainly built at Toyo because they had the best balance of price/quality/delivery that Grant could find. If I had the Richard Sachs of China build a custom frame for me, i would expect it to cost in the neighborhood of custom frames, not some stereotype of Chinese bikes. I don't have any stake in the business either way, i don't know anything about the factories they work with, and i can't afford anything (probably literally anything) from Rapha, but i'm not particularly comfortable with the geography-based assumption. Done ranting, going for a bike ride. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Jim Cloud wrote: > I think one of the things that most bothers me is the extreme price > mark-up by companies like Rapha, whose products are made in China. A > example which I've seen are some recent bags now being marketed by > Brooks (which are labeled as "Made in China"). The "Cornwall" > handlebar bag lists at $369.99 from Milwaukee Bicycle, each of the > "Devon" rear panniers are listed at $349.99 (the drive and non-drive > bags are individually priced). You can drop a cool $1,069.97 for the > set. My LBS has a complete set of these bags on display, I found the > pricing quite amusing. Each to his/her own, but this seems ridiculous > to me for products made in China. > > Jim Cloud > Tucson, AZ > >> > Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If >> > you're reading their stuff, you are definitely "good enough" to be using >> > their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that "hard-man, >> > epic" stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a >> > hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly >> > aren't fit for (or going to fit!) Rapha stuff. >> >> Frankly, I have never been able to pay close attention to marketing >> blurbs, no matter the medium. I have looked at Rapha price, >> components and manufacture domicile. I cannot see how their approach >> is similar to Rivendell's. >> >> On May 26, 4:51 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: >> >> > On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:19 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: >> > > > Rivendell's approach is inclusive, Rapha's is exclusive. >> >> > > The difference I see between Riv nd Rapha is the mark up. >> >> > > Riv bikes made in Taiwan use components and design close to their U.S. >> > > and Japanese made products. Labor costs less, so Riv charges less. >> >> > > There are several companies that make products similar to Rapha using >> > > U.S.,U.K. and even Swiss labor. Rapha makes almost all of its product >> > > in China but nevertheless charges a premium. >> >> > I'm not talking about prices or markups, or even where the products are >> > made. I'm talking about marketing and philosophy. >> >> > Rivendell's philosophy and marketing seem to me to be broad based. If >> > you're reading their stuff, you are definitely "good enough" to be using >> > their products. Rapha, on the other hand, what with all that "hard-man, >> > epic" stuff is all about exclusivity. If you can't average 18 mph on a >> > hilly ride you are not only not fit to be a cyclist, you certainly >> > aren't fit for (o
Re: [RBW] Bike to work day
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Andy Williams wrote: > "Friday was national bike to work day...or something like that. > > How did "y'all" do?" As it turned out, i didn't bike to work that day, because of last-minute prep for my daughter's birthday party. I have biked to work most other days the last couple of months though (a bunch of us did a 30 days of biking challenge in April), and rode to another friend's birthday party later that night. Funny, i don't remember seeing much about Bike to Work day around here this year. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Our New Retirement Watch
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:41 PM, MichaelH wrote: > OK, the Riv content here is limited to a few parts and philosophy. > Forgive the double postings, but wanted to share. > > Jim, I'll send something for the Cyclofiend site soon. > > > After 30 years of riding together we splurged big on our first > tandem. It's a good thing we took some pictures right away because > the first ride included a driving rainstorm, and on the second we > discovered the town had just graded our dirt road, leaving us with two > miles of two inch sand & rock into town. A dust bowl, so it doesn't > look so pretty right now. > > http://gallery.me.com/mhechmer#100076&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=2 Congratulations, a great retirement gift idea and a beautiful bike. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: duluth pack
IIRC, it was Frost River who last made the Baggins bags, and there was a difference in opinion over who owned those designs once Riv's contract with them ended. Frost River was/is selling the exact same Baggins-design bags under their own label though it sounded from Grant's post at the time that they had no license or agreement to do so. I'm sure there's plenty about it in the old Riv list archives. I understand why Rivendell has moved on, but I like this style of bag a lot. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Liesl wrote: > Check out Frost River, which, after a hiatus, is back in the saddle. > I believe when the Frost River folks parted ways with Duluth Pack > folks, they got the old riv patterns in the deal? I'm guessing it was > Frost River that was making the Baggins Keven's Bag and the Baggins > Loafers before Baggins Hobits went away to be replaced by the > Sackville Hobits--worksmanship on the Baggins looks identical to other > Frost River products I own. But you'll see these FR bags are truer to > the old Baggins saddlebag and pannier designs than the new Duluth > Packs. Incidently, I love both companies. > > cheers, > liesl in minneapolis > > http://www.frostriver.com/bike_bags/bikebags_menu.html > > On May 17, 11:20 am, scott wrote: >> Hey everyone, >> I noticed yesterday that Duluth Pack is making bike bags again. >> Panniers, a bar tube, and a hobo--but the hobo is set up to be a >> saddle bag instead of a bar bag. The straps are on the wrong side of >> the zipper. I shot them an email asking if they could do a bar >> version. Anyway, looks like the old Riv design for the most part. >> Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Brooks B-17's wearing out
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, reynoldslugs wrote: > Several of my B-17's are showing significant wear, turning into > hatchets. What does the list recommend for replacements, something > substantially similar that doesn't wear out so fast for us Clydes? I > am about to try the An-atomicas, just curious if there are other clyde- > worthy saddles. Thanks. The Berthoud saddles have the thickest leather i've seen, definitely worth a look. If you haven't already, it's also worth tying the sides on one of the saddles to see if that helps. I've done it to all of mine, and it really helps, without adding any tension at the bolt. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] the "fire trails" of the upper midwest
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > I've been reading about these "fire trails" in Grant's writings for > years. As far as I know, we don't have fire trails in Minnesota, but > we have thousands of miles of rural gravel roads, and races/rides on > these gravel roads have exploded in popularity. This weekend I, along > with several hundred others, will be riding the Almanzo 100, which is > a free-for-all gravel century. Technically it's a race, but I > seriously doubt that I'm in contention of finishing much better than > middle-of-the-pack. > > It's arguable that Rivendell has played a role (indirectly) in > popularizing this kind of event with Grant's advocacy of tire > clearance and riding "road bikes" on unpaved surfaces. I'll be riding > my Atlantis-inspired Goodrich, and I expect to see lots of Rivendells. We do have fire roads around here, just not as many as i've seen out west. They're mainly through backcountry areas poorly covered by farm roads, and always pretty much low-maintenance dirt roads with just the 2 wheel tracks. I've used them when mountain biking, they're fairly often used to connect different areas of singletrack trail. The Chequamegon race in northern Wisconsin uses them as a good part of that course, from what i remember. I'm also riding the Almanzo race tomorrow, along with at least a couple of other list members, though i'm skipping Jim's 140-mile prologue today. Don't let the cherubic grin fool you - Jim's the one who started his Almanzo training with a part-gravel century back in March, he's a contender! Plus, bacon. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Ken Mattina wrote: > > Right now I have four pairs of hetres that are hermetically sealed in an > industrial mayonnaise jar in my basement. I also have four pairs of pari > motos on the way. I eventually will hoard 4 pairs of every known 650b tire > known to mankind. For just a moment there, reading quickly, i thought the secret to long-term tire storage was to pack them in mayonnaise. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive?
But the basic point is valid, no matter the size. Wasn't there some note not that long ago that the molds for the Roly-Poly tires was wearing out and there was a question whether to replace it? Even in a popular size, parts can be discontinued for various reasons, and it's not often that a good product is resurrected once the original manufacturer stops production. I don't see Jim's post as FUD at all. It's pretty obvious that the small number of companies who championed 650b 3-4 years ago no longer have it as a top priority. That's fine, and it doesn't mean that the size is abandoned, just maybe that it has peaked for the size of the niche that it has. It seems well-enough established now that many custom framebuilders would happily build one, even if none of the mainstream players decide to join in. Bill On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, David Faller wrote: > I was addressing Grant's quote about how things we like tend to get improved > out of existence, that's all... > > On 5/12/2010 6:59 AM, Bruce wrote: > > Except JBGs are 700 size rubber > > > > From: David Faller > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 8:52:37 AM > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 650B dead or alive? > > Then I'd better order two dozen Jack Brown greens ASAP! > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: gripkings
How did you get the plastic dust cap out? I assumed it was just threaded and tried to unscrew it with a pin tool, and all i did was mangle the pin holes, the cap didn't budge. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Bill Gibson wrote: > Yep. Go for them. Grip Kings feel like arch support, so any light shoe is > a rigid bike shoe, with no hot spots. You have "high efficiency", infinite > pedal float to save your joints, and get-on-and-go readiness. I lube mine by > pulling the plastic plug over the outboard bearings and dribbling in Phil's > gooey green oil, and popping it back in. Mine don't seem to leak oil much, > or at all after that treatment. > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Brad Gantt wrote: >> >> I say go for it. I love my 'Kings. Recently rode a fast 40 miles in >> Tevas and total comfort. They don't feel big, they feel good. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Bill Gibson > Tempe, Arizona, USA > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] MKS Grip Kings
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:26 AM, sean wrote: > Hi Group, > > Thinking of pulling the trigger on some Grip Kings, but am concerned > about their dimensions. Basically, I want to be able to ride in any > and all shoes/sneakers especially Chuck Taylor type shoes (actually > Keen Coronados) and Birkenstocks. Currently I am using the MKS Touring > with cages, which worked great with Sambas over the years but now > they're hurting my feet. My question is: are the Grip Kings too long > for say a size 7-8 shoe? I have wide feet but not very big feet. I am > concerned that the GKs might be so long they'll feel like planks under > my feet. how do the GR9s compare? Any comments appreciated. Well, i'd say that they probably *will* feel a bit like planks under your feet compared to the Touring, but in a good way. I have both those pedals, and i prefer the GK by miles for any type of soft-soled shoe (mostly Converse and Chaco sandals for me). I have much larger feet (14), but it's not like you'll have pedal sticking out from under your shoe, you'll just have a nice full platform supporting your foot. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Riv frames work great with drop bars
I think you need to pay attention to both seat and top tube when shopping frames. There's no one right answer, it depends greatly on how the bike will be ridden and the intended bars. One of the main benefits of the typical Rivendell fit is the typically higher bars, but you don't want/need them higher than the saddle, the next size down is certainly a valid choice. On Wednesday, May 5, 2010, Aaron Thomas wrote: > I suppose one person's "impractical race standards" are another's > comfort zone. I tried the high-bars approach and didn't care for it. I > felt like I was driving a bus and that my center of gravity was too > high. > > You can disparage that as following "impractical race standards" all > you want, but the fact of the matter is that lower bar height works > better for me. But in coming to that discovery I've had to give up one > of the long-top-tube neutralizing variables in the process. Hence my > question: if someone prefers lower bars, should they size down with > respect to what ordinarily be recommended? > > On May 5, 3:38 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: >> Roadeo excepted, isn't the general philosophy behind Riv design to >> stay away from impractical race standards? >> >> On May 5, 5:32 pm, Aaron Thomas wrote: >> >> >> >> > All of this is true, but it seems to depend upon high bars to help >> > with the neutralizing. If someone prefers a low bars setup, one of the >> > neutralizing elements in Riv's schema does not come into play. >> >> > So what should someone do in such a scenario, assuming they aren't >> > willing to adopt a higher bar position? Should they purchase a smaller >> > frame than would ordinarily be recommended for their given PBH? >> >> > Aaron >> >> > On May 5, 2:53 pm, Grant Petersen wrote: >> >> > > > It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells >> > > > frames are not designed for drop bars. With the long top tubes you >> > > > need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach. >> >> > > UnSo! Terribly, terrifically unso. >> >> > > The Top Tube Ruse in RR--40/ 41? talked all about that, but I realize >> > > people >> > > come and go and land late and may skip over or miss, but basically, it's >> > > like this. Forgive lack of detail in these explanations: >> >> > > Shallow seat tubes neutralize long top tubes. We have shallow seat tubes. >> >> > > Higher bars super-'eutralize long top tubes. We're the Cosmos champs in >> > > that >> > > cat. >> >> > > As bars get higher, your arms become more horizontal, and that makes them >> > > longer (effectively, not literally). >> >> > > Tall quill stems always help, but with our bikes--as much as I likem & we >> > > gottem, they're less necessary than they are with a '73 Colnago, or '84 >> > > Centurion Ironman, etc. >> >> > > I cannot image more drop-bar friendly bikes than ours. I wouldn't design >> > > a >> > > bike that wouldn't work fine with a drop. With appropriate-sized stems >> > > for >> > > the size. >> >> > > Granted, my personal Sam is a 60 with a 7stem, and that's borderline >> > > funky, >> > > but that's on a 62.5 top tube, and I'm a mere 5-9.9. >> >> > > G >> > > -- >> > > Grant >> > > Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com >> > > 925 933 7304 >> >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > > For more options, visit this group >> > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group >> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubsFor more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Diagonapillar blueprints revealed
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, William wrote: > The Hunqapage on the Rivsite now has a photo of the design sheet for > the Diagonal 2TT. > > http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713 It is a little odd to on the one hand prefer the skinny tube/fat tire look and on the other hand add frame tubes to beef things up. Still, having seen the drawing, I like it better than i had expected, and i'll bet the final bike will look great. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
For real bomber-strength frames, what we need is double head tubes. And maybe 4-legged forks. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Mike wrote: > When will we start to see double seat tubes? > > On May 4, 8:01 am, Dustin Sharp wrote: >> There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished. >> >> You heard it here first. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Wheel for the Hillborne
I've built a half dozen or so wheels just using Sheldon Brown's wheelbuilding page. As long as you're working with a fairly traditional wheel (no oddball spoke styles or lacing patterns), the main thing is to get the pattern right and to approach the final stage gradually and evenly. I find wheelbuilding to be a relaxing way to spend an evening, and it generally makes me wish i had the excuse to do it more often. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:06 PM, nathan spindel wrote: > Is Jobst's book still the de facto resource for learning the craft of > wheelbuilding? Any other suggested resources? > > I think I'll make building a lighter set of wheels for my RB-1 as a summer > project. :) > > -nathan > > On May 3, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Me wrote: > >> Good on ya. Building a wheel/wheels/wheelset is one of those things >> where you -really- connect with 'History' I think. Once I learned >> how, there is/was no going back. It's fun. >> >> Congrats on your Phil too! >> >> -Scott >> >> On May 3, 3:30 am, EricP wrote: >>> Finally got around to doing a couple of things - getting a Phil Wood >>> hub and building my own wheel. Jim Thill at Hiawatha spent a good >>> chunk of an evening trying to drill into my thick skull how to >>> properly build a wheel. Might have been slightly less dim than most >>> days, as the instruction took, and now have a Phil freewheel hub laced >>> to a Salsa Delgado rim. Even more amazingly the wheel has stayed good >>> for about 60 miles of riding over the weekend. Including a curb bash >>> taken at a lot higher speed than planned. >>> >>> About a week earlier, swapped the crankset out for a Sugino XD found >>> secondhand. More than a bit scuffed up, but that crank just looks so >>> "right" on this bike. >>> >>> One last observation - the Silver shifters do seem to work alot better >>> with a seven speed rear than an eight. Was pretty sure that would be >>> the case, but was nice to have it confirmed. >>> >>> A couple of photos here -http://tinyurl.com/23f4do3 >>> >>> Eric Platt >>> St. Paul, MN >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Replace bottom bracket question
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Joan Oppel wrote: > I had my 7 year old bike repainted (actually powder coated). Inside the > frame in a few places, there was some surface rust, completely removed as > part of the preparation process. > > The original bottom bracket (Shimano BB 6500), which of course was removed > prior to sending the frame away, has some surface rust. Most of it is near > the thicker right hand side. The worst is a one inch square patch that I've > tried gently to remove but isn't budging. > > I'm not much of a mechanic and I'm hoping the collective wisdom here can > help me with whether or not I should replace the bottom bracket. > Thanks much, > Joan > > (Riv content: it's my Waterford, a cousin to my Bleriot.) I'd just replace the BB with a new one. They aren't expensive, and doing it now might mean not having to disassemble the cranks for another 7 years. It's also an excellent time to put some Frame Saver or other rustproofing inside the tubes while it's fresh and unbuilt, might prevent those patches of inner surface rust from recurring.. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] MKS Grip Kings vs MKS Touring Pedals
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Mike wrote: > I'm curious which people like more. I've used both on my commuter bike > over the past 2 years and can't decide which I like best. They both > have pluses and minuses. Currently I have the touring pedals on my > Quickbeam and this past weekend I did a big ride on my Hilsen with > Grip Kings. I've done a couple of long rides 60+ miles on the GKs and > they worked well, especially with soft soled shoes (Vans) Still, I > like the touring pedals also and am thinking of trying them with Power > Grips. I'm also thinking of inserting some of the blunt pedal spikes > into the Grip Kings. > > I'm curious what other's experience has been with both types of > pedals. > > I'm thinking that once I'm through with my brevet series I'll put some > kind of platform pedal on the Hilsen for the summer. I have both and prefer the GKs. As you noted, they're great with soft-soled shoes, so they're great with Chaco sandals in the summer. I have big feet, so after riding the GK bike for a while, the Touring pedals feel really small. My shoes are also wider than the Touring, so i don't mind so much hanging over the outside edge. They're nice for riding fixed too, they seem to have a little more clearance than the Touring. My only real complaint is that i'd like to open them up for a regreasing and having a hard time getting the plastic caps off. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Anne Paulson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Me wrote: >> I know, I read that too... which is why I said it was understandable & >> forgivable. >> >> But the riders riding by part, that's a rough one for me. >> > > We know that one cyclist, who had just been doing CPR for ten minutes, > made an awkward comment that he later apologized for. But do we know > that anyone rode past who could have made any difference, or who > should have stopped? This was on an uphill, so the riders weren't > going fast and had time to assess the situation. Should they have > stopped, or did they correctly think that one more cyclist would just > be a rubbernecker in the way? I don't see bad behavior here, only a > sad story. I had a similar situation last week when 2 cars collided just after i exited an intersection (not due to me, i certainly hope), rolling one of them onto its side. I was not a witness (it happened behind me), and there were at least a dozen people who did see it happen, and at least 2 others were calling 911 before i even had my phone out. While i wanted to do what i could to help, I don't have any special medical skills beyond pretty old CPR training, and my kids would be getting off the bus any minute. It's hard to leave when someone needs assistance, but i felt i would be more a help by clearing out and meeting my kids at home. It's a good reminder to get back up to speed on my CPR skills though, it's important to know. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:31 AM, stevep33 wrote: > You describe what is called an "f**k you stop." The faster group > stops to rest only long enough to let you catch up and then the group > starts of quickly before you've had any rest. Not considerate. I know > it in the context of hiking, but it could apply to cycling too. I've been on both sides of that, it's a tough spot. Sympathies wane when it's 3am and you're still. not. home. yet. (been there, last year) As for the OP's issue, i agree with Jim on trying different tires first, different wheels second. If you're climbing a lot, lighter wheels will help, otherwise not so much. A somewhat more upright and more comfortable position can certainly slow you a bit, but that may be a worthy compromise averaged over a century, given the reduced fatigue and ability to maintain speed later in the ride. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:51 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: >> I have an old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a >> spare >> weekend. > > Love audio tubes. What make? This will be fun. It's a GE, probably early 60s, it was my grandfather's garage radio for as long as i could remember, rescued from my mom's basement. It's in working order, but the capacitors are obviously shot. I have the schematics and a radio shop nearby, i just need to get started. Looking forward to being able to use it again. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Bridgestone wrote: > You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has > owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies? > > I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long > class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now > (hell yes, pun intended!) I've always been a DIY tinkerer, and this winter added sewing to my many hobbies. I've also built some of my own furniture, my own LED lights, and a bike trailer from cut-up frames (nearly done). I have an old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a spare weekend. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: unclaimed custom/Grant
This is apparently the frame: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4512933760/sizes/l/ I understand the desire to change it to a more typical Rivendell frame before releasing it to the wild, but i think Braden has a good point in his post. I admit that i check out the prototype listings once in a while, just to see if there was something odd and interesting that Grant tried and later canceled for whatever reason. Rivendell certainly has a strong house style, but there's also a long streak of experimenting, so i don't think it would be so bad for something like this to exist as-is. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Aaron Thomas wrote: > Have photos been posted of this mystery frame? I'd like to see what > all the hullabaloo is about. > > Aaron > > On Apr 23, 7:00 am, bdavis999 wrote: >> Grant, >> >> Can I offer an idea here. For many companies, part of the mystique >> and elements that build the long-termcult appeal are these very rare >> white elephant or skunk-works products. >> >> An example would be Fat City Tandems, or the Ibis Scorcher. Soemtimes >> these items are strokes of genius, but sometimes they are random >> accidents. >> >> I imagine this bike, if left as-is would develop a lore of it's own. >> The one odd-ball, that passes through collections, hoepfully gets >> ridden hard, and maybe ends up in one of the bike museums. >> >> I remember form one of your first Readers a piece talking about how >> you imagined 100 years in the future that someone would dig out a >> rough frame from the scrap heap, and would be able to tell by the lugs >> and design that it was a Rivendell (my memory isn't so strong, but I >> think that's how it went). >> >> Somehow this bike, while not being pure to your vision, would be one >> of these frames that bike scholar's argue about, and bike geeks stay >> up all night chatting about when and where they first heard about it. >> >> Just looking at the enthusiasm this one-off has cused on this board >> would be an indication of how this bike is already a cult object, and >> your fans are afraid that this one white elephant would be stripped of >> its tusks... >> >> Plkeas, take a bit of time to reflect. Maybe this is an opportunity >> to think about where in the life of Rivendell you need or want to >> inject these rare and truly unique gems (or aberations) into your >> legacy. >> >> Thanks! >> Braden >> >> On Apr 23, 1:22 am, Grant Petersen wrote: >> >> >> >> > The bike is beautiful, yes, but for a complication of reasons, not all of >> > which are rational, it will be transformed, plained-down, de-'caled, and >> > repainted. Canti-bosses will be added to the seat stays, and it'll be made >> > rackable, and 'enderable---so it will be way more go, tho' some less show. >> > It may *seem* a shame, but it's not. It will be a *happy* transformation. >> > If >> > we put a dollar value on the time spent on this bike, it would be the most >> > expensive bike we've ever done. More than 40 hours of consultation over two >> > years. It's OK, part of the deal, but after all that, catharsis is the only >> > option. This showgirl's going to get a good scrub-down and work on the >> > farm, >> > and in my estimation, will be more beautiful for it. >> > My only regret, and it's not a small one, is that Joe Bell's labor will be >> > undone. All...$900 or so of it. We've been good customers to JB over the >> > years and ask his understanding this one rare time, and your's, too. >> >> > Grant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much
IIRC, all of the Quickbeams were produced by National/Panasonic, which is a fairly large frame shop. Toyo is a much smaller outfit that built the Atlantis, Rambouillet, Romulus, etc.; basically all the other non-customs until the Legolas came along (which was US-built), and then the Taiwan production frames. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Angus wrote: > To answer Shaun's "completely off-the-topic" question: > > The Green and Orange Quickbeams were made by National (aka > Panasonic). I'm not certain about the silver ones. > > When I had to fix a flat on my orange Quickbeam, I noticed it had a > Panasonic rim strip, a Panasonic tube, and of course a Panaracer tire. > > Angus > > On Apr 22, 7:15 pm, Shaun Meehan wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:01 PM, swenindy wrote: >> >> > >> > Nevertheless, I had an awesome 25 miler on my Quickbeam (green, first >> > year Toyo build) today that seems to be set up perfect. >> > >> > swen >> >> This is completely off-the-topic of the thread but it has me >> wondering. Is this accurate? It was my understanding that the >> first-year, green QB's (and the subsequent orange and silver ones) >> were built by Panasonic. No biggie. Just curious. >> >> Shaun Meehan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Guess I don't get down to the basement much
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:42 AM, swenindy wrote: > I'm sorry to say it but I find this post extremely distasteful. I > know all of us on this list find the money to buy expensive bikes (at > least once in a while) but this "oops, I forgot two grand worth of > dreamy bike parts in my basement" routine is unbelievable and a really > pompous way to let everyone know about both your "good" taste and your > disposable income. > > I mean really, if you could "forget" a new Riv build with Paul, King, > TA, etc. components how serious of a cyclist are you? I would bet > most of us think hard and save up for expensive bike builds. The type > of attitude reduces the love of beautiful bikes to absent minded > conspicuous consumption. > > So, did I miss the joke or something? I don't think there's any joke, nor is Scott trying to flaunt any idea of wealth. I know Scott only slightly, but i don't think he and his family are any more well off than most of us, and bikes are their main (only?) transportation, so it's certainly not out of line to have a bigger bike budget when you aren't spending money on a car. I haven't found a Bleriot in my basement, but i've certainly rediscovered misplaced valuable things in the basement or garage, and that's without two cross-country moves in the last few years. I spend relatively little on bikes, but i've certainly accumulated enough decent parts over the years to build 2 complete bikes from the pile of stuff in my garage, so maybe i'm not that shocked by this. It's a nice find, and even Riv-related - relax! -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Jim M. wrote: > I walked over to Riv HQ yesterday and took a look around. The > abandoned custom is the blue, fixed-gear MTB from the SD show. I hope > someone buys it as is. It is a unique and beautiful bike. The BB is > fillet brazed because they didn't have a lug for the angles, spacing > etc. The bike was designed for someone in a place with fewer hills > than around here. I like riding fixed off-road but only with 2 brakes. > No rear brake causes a lot of skidding on the steeps, which isn't good > for the trails. An extra gusset at the DT/HT intersection was > requested, like a Bombadil. That's the missing piece. Interesting, sounds like whoever the customer was they were trying to end up with a Rivendell version of the Surly Instigator. Odd to have an $800 paint job on a bike obviously built for rugged riding. I understand not wanting to redo a Joe Bell paint job to go back and add the gusset, but it certainly seems like the bike would work well for someone as-is. I think that Pacenti crown works really well on the bike, even if it's not a Riv piece. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:24 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > I don't know if this is it, but it's the one that was at the San Diego > show: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4512933760/sizes/l/ > > Pacenti crown, cantis front, no brakes rear, horizontal fork ends (RIP > Sheldon), no shifter cable braze-ons, curvy chain stays. > > I guess that is about one standard deviation away from a typical Rivendell. Wow, that's a pretty cool Rivendell frame. I'd say that a fixed trail bike is the only explanation for it, and now i'm really curious about what the flaw could have been. It seems like it would have to be a big deal for the customer to bail on such a carefully negotiated custom like that, but it's hard to see anything to complain about from here. Ken, this one is right up your alley (if indeed it's the frame in question). -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heavy rider wheel issues
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:50 AM, happyriding wrote: > What I want to know is: do rims with non-machined side walls brake > worth a damn? Or, is the brake pad skipping all over the brake > surface and making a terrible racket? Has anyone used Velocity Dyad > rims before? Another data point: i have a set of XT/Dyad wheels i built myself for my cyclocross/commuter bike 4 years ago, and they've been excellent rims through racing seasons and thousands of miles of year-round riding. Nothing more than minor truing touch-up needed on them, and braking has been perfectly fine. I highly recommend it as a good rim for riding anything from about a 32mm tire on up. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] RBW Saddle Height question
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jay LePree wrote: > Hi all: > > One of the things I always wanted to know but was afraid to ask. The > RBW method for determining saddle height is PBH - 10 to 11. The > measurement is made from center of the cranks (the spindle of the > bottom bracket) to the top of the saddle. > > Here are the questions. How many of you use this formula? Do you > adjust it if you place the saddle all the way back on its rails? > (Relateddon't laugh...where does one measure the top of the > saddle...the area where you sit, the area right over the seat post?) > > I ask because my saddle height seems to be shorter than this (with MKS > pedals and Addidas Sambas)..more like PBH - 15. I would like to raise > it to Riv recommendations, but I was wondering what your experiences > have been. I'll mostly echo what others have said: the Riv method is a great starting point, but like everything else in bike fit, the details can vary quite a bit. Tim's note to put the saddle up until your hips rock then back it off a bit is good too. Make small adjustments, ride, repeat. I can do this for days when i'm setting up a new bike, or especially if i'm trying a new saddle. All of those parts have different dimensions, so you just have to tweak. Once you figure out what you're happy with, noting the resulting measurements can make it easier to set up the next bike for yourself, but the numbers themselves aren't important otherwise. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Heavy rider wheel issues
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Hi, all. I seek counsel. > > I weigh about 250 lbs. I often carry 10-15 lbs on a rear rack. I ride > a Trek hybrid, sitting bolt-upright. (By the way, this Trek is about > as Riv'd up as any Trek could be. Actual Riv relevance: Later this > year I'll also be riding a Hillborne and any counsel I receive will > apply to it for sure; maybe/maybe-not for the Trek. Also, the riding I > do is very much non-clubby, non-race-y, and non-trivial in distance; > this seems to match up with Riv philosophy and thus seems appropriate > for this group.) I use 700x35 tires on 32- or 36-spoke wheels at about > 60 psi. I ride 70-100 miles/week 12 months a year (I bet that'll rise > when I get the Hillborne), over half on limestone trail. I'm actually > pretty easy on the bike in general, avoiding obstacles/rough path > where practical, lifting the wheel and slowing down when I don't avoid > the hazard. > > My problem is that I haven't gotten more than 1000 miles on any rear > wheel without complete failure (cracked hub, bent axle) or the need > for repair (hub overhaul, multiple spoke breakage, rim *way* out-of- > true-or-round). The wheels I've used include some cheapies and some > good ones. Some were better to use than others. But all were okay to > use (until they failed :( ). More wheel details later. You shouldn't have these sort of problems within a thousand miles or so. I have LX and XT hubs with over 5,000 miles each, and i expect them to last for many more years with normal maintenance. To look at your earlier wheel failures, it seems like the rim might be the common weak link. The CR18 is a decent rim, but they aren't consistently round, and it's certainly possible that spoke tension was uneven on each of them, leading to out-of-true issues and premature spoke breakage. I'd say that your current XT wheel should be plenty strong for the load, and the Synergy is a good rim. It's impossible to tell without hearing the sounds, but it seems likely that the hub just needs fresh bearings and a repack. I don't know where you got the wheel, but often it seems Shimano hubs come from the factory a little too tight and a little light on grease (at least for my taste) and i usually rebuild brand new Shimano hubs before using them. 36 spokes should be fine too; more might be better, but i don't think strictly necessary. If you have any problems with the rim staying true, the Velocity Dyad or Salsa DelGato might be a stronger choice. Since you mention your riding position, i'll add that the bolt upright position does tend to put a greater percentage of weight on the rear wheel, which would also tend to explain the issues. I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with sitting upright, nor that 250lbs is too heavy to expect a bike to handle. I do think that the combination of the two tends to require a stronger rear wheel than might otherwise be indicated, but i'd say what you have now should be sufficient. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Cantilever Brake issue on Hillborne
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:03 PM, MikeC wrote: > I have a Sam Hill with Tektro CR720's. They have a brass bushing that > pivots on the canti post. There is a lot of play in the pivot due to > the bushing being larger in diameter and shorter in length than the > post, which means it can wobble back and forth and side ways. It does > not pose a problem when braking at moderate to high speed, but when > slowing to a stop at low speed, like coasting with the brakes on into > the driveway at a few MPH, the fork shutters almost uncontrollably. > This is a 60 cm SH so the cable stops is way above the brakes due to > the long headtube, but the issues is mostly slop in the pivots more so > than the issue that Leonard Zinn referred to due to th ecable stop > being way above the brakes. > > Have any other SH owners run into this problem. I would imagine that > other Rivendell owners would also experience this assuming that the > same canti posts are likely used on all models. Any suggestions on how > to improve the situation, preferrably by reducing play at the pivots. > Otherwise, I really like the CR720 cantis with Kool Stop salmon pads. I don't have a SH, but i've had some of the same sort of shudder on my Crosscheck with the same 720 cantis installed. It's been a while since i installed them, i can't remember if they're a loose fit on those canti studs. It seems to happen more in the wet for me, and it seems like it might be worse when i have my Shimano generator-hubbed wheel installed, but that could be my imagination. Overall it hasn't bothered me enough to change things, but i don't think i have much toe-in on the front, and a bit more would likely fix it. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: The Insanity of our Times
It is Scott, he signed his name. It's a really sad story, and i can only imagine how hard it would be for his wife to not say anything about Scott's experience with his weight. People have to choose change for themselves, but when there are enablers and ignorance of the alternatives in life, a little window to a different world can make all the difference. It makes me sad to think of all the lost options in their lives when someone's weight gets so high. Thanks for sharing, Scott. Bill On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 9:51 PM, rperks wrote: > FYI - I think Me is Scott, but maybe I am off > > On Apr 18, 4:45 pm, Tim McNamara wrote: >> On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Shaun Meehan wrote: >> >> > It's interesting. I've seen a couple of shows about people who got so >> > large that they were literally disabled. >> >> I've known a number of them professionally, in their 30s and living >> in a nursing home due to the health complications of ultra-morbid >> obesity. And probably not going to make it to 50. >> >> It makes Scott Cutshall's story all the more impressive to me. >> >> This person's mother was clearly out of touch with the situation and >> was quite literally feeding him to death. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Insane Dent Removal on Atlantis
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Shaun Meehan wrote: > Another dog-related bike damage story. I had the Atlantis in the work > stand doing some work on it. When I was done I took it off of the > stand, and leaned the bike against the stand with the saddle resting > on the clamp. I had a couple of the dogs in the shop with me and when > I went to put the tools away a Great Dane wrestling broke out (not > uncommon). Sure enough, the bike and the work stand went down in a > noisy heap. When I went to retrieve the bike, not only was there paint > damage, there was a fairly significant dent on the top of the top > tube. This is actually the second bike that I've had dented on account > of a dog toppling it over. Crazy! > > I'm sure the dent was purely cosmetic but after I got over my initial > anger and frustration, I got to wondering about how the dent might be > removed, or if it were even possible. I had a channel lock and a clean > rag sitting right there so I spontaneously stuck the rag into the jaws > of the channel lock, adjusted the channel lock and positioned it below > the top tube with the ends of the jaws on either side of the dent. I > started gently and carefully (as much as possible) sort of > "oil-canning" the tube. The bike was positioned under a fluorescent > light fixture and there was a perfect line reflected along the top > tube and it distorted when I squeezed the channel lock; so I could see > what was happening with the tube. Kind of interesting! > > Anyway I patiently worked the dent in that manner, squeezing and > releasing pressure while rotating the jaws and working them towards > the dent. All the while watching the line that was reflected in the > top tube to see how things were progressing. To my amazement, the dent > was definitely improving. After working at it for quite awhile, the > dent was almost completely gone! The paint is still bunged-up around > where the dent was but if I were to touch it up, I bet someone who > didn't know it was there would never even notice that the frame was > dented. > > I can't say that I'd recommend this technique because it could easily > end-up doing more harm than good. Especially if one got over zealous. > I have a bad habit of trying things that could result in making things > worse. And often times things do get worse! I mean really? Squeezing > the tube with a channel lock? On a fairly expensive frame? This time > it worked quite well though. I'm still somewhat in disbelief. Just > thought I'd share it with y'all. > > Shaun Meehan Wow, that seems kind of insane. I've torn down and fixed a lot of fairly crazy things, but i don't know that this would even have occurred to me. Nice job on getting the dent out! -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Lugged! Proper fork bend! 650B! Fenders! Fattish Tires! Riv-ish!
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/23259...@n05/4526924426/in/set-72157623747045659/ > > Cross-posted from the Frame list. I don't see a reason for this sort of > construction, except as a craftman's tour de force (as opposed to his tour > de france), but man, I'd ride it in a Rivendell minute! > > IIRC, BG claimed 21 lb for the bike as pictured. Gorgeous. No matter what the tubes were made of, the metalwork is just wonderful. I wonder how the BB shell was done, it seems like it would take a lot of material for the stresses there. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A mustache moment
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Bruce wrote: > The thing I really noticed is that mustache bars are great for hard climbs. > The hand positions are perfect towards the bar ends for standing climbs, and > the forward loops are great for seated climbing. On the downhills, you can > get very aero on them as well. They've taken me some time to get used to, > but I really likes 'em! I liked 'em a lot when i was hauling kids in a trailer too, and i'll be they'd be great on a cargo bike. They have great leverage. A lot of people don't like them for longer rides, i'll admit i don't think i've ridden them over about 20 miles at a stretch on my bikes. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Commuting makes me angry...(might be a little ranty!)
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Joe Bartoe wrote: > This morning, my commute to work was a bit scary. As I headed down the PCH > from the Leucadia area, I was passed a bit too close by a white Toyota > pickup with a pipe tied to its passenger side (along the top of the bed and > over the side mirror) like a lance protruding from the front. This was close > to the Panickin Coffee place for those who are locals. Then, as I was riding > through Encinitas, some guy in a white Lexus SC430 (CA plates containing > "FORE") decides to buzz me. Then, before I knew it the same white pickup > truck with the pipe came along and buzzed me again. Now, I was yelling and > gesturing at this guy when he decided to slam on his brakes. I was mad > enough to take this guy on, but mostly I just wanted to report him so I > whipped out my phone. He must have seen this and he took off. The rest of my > commute all I could think about was finding one of these two vehicles parked > along my route so I could report them. Unfortunately, I was unable to see > the plate of the truck and I only got the "FORE" on the Lexus. I hate it > when my commute is ruined by people whose idea of fun is crap like this. > > Anyway, stay safe out there. And remember, sometimes your best defense may > be your phone (and maybe a frame pump...could you imagine trying to beat > someone with a CO2 cannister?) Sorry to hear it, that's a crappy way to start the day. It seems like i was getting buzzed at least once a day right at the end of our snowmelt, it felt like all the drivers were crabby to see bikes on the road again and were venting (dangerously). I completely agree that the best defense to carry is probably a phone, and a phone with a camera would be extra useful for grabbing a quick shot of a license plate (though i'm generally not quick enough for this). Documentation is always a good thing. I've seen cyclists heave u-locks at threatening cars, and know people who have tossed open (full) waterbottles in passenger seats. I've resorted to keeping a few cards printed with the MN traffic laws on them (courtesy of a local cycling group) and tossing them in someone's window if they're driving stupidly around me. It's rare that i have a chance to do that, but it's a much healthier outlet than starting a fight with someone in a giant metal box. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What country would your retro dream bike be from?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 2:16 PM, William wrote: > >> Clearly the bicycle industry has a lot of history, much of which is >> from outside the US. Especially the Rivendell community gets a great >> deal of inspiration from the cycling heritage of France, England, >> Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, and yes, the USA. Other places as >> well >> >> Hypothetical question: You get into a time machine to say, 1955. You >> can bring any one bicycle back with you from your trip to 1955. What >> country did your bike come from? > > England. A Jack Taylor Tourist, 25". Actually, come to think of it, an early-mid '50s Raleigh Clubman or Record Ace with a close-ratio 4-speed SA hub would be cool. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What country would your retro dream bike be from?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:16 PM, William wrote: > Hypothetical question: You get into a time machine to say, 1955. You > can bring any one bicycle back with you from your trip to 1955. What > country did your bike come from? It would be tempting to get a Bianchi or Herse, but i've seen fine examples of those bikes. I'd go to Switzerland and get an army bike. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Bill Connell wrote: > >> >> My oldest daughter's first camping trip was when she was 7-8 months >> old, but both kids are in the middle range now where they're too big >> to haul in a Burley, but not able to ride any distance yet. > > I know that Riv doesn't make them, but this is why God gave us tandem > bicycles. And those ride-along bikes. Ah, if only they *were* just given away, I've had my eye on a Bike Friday for a while now. Even if i get a windfall and buy a tandem, one of them will need to be on a solo bike, unless said windfall covers a triple or i can rope in someone else with a tandem (single dad, 2 kids). -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: >> Have fun! I'm still a couple of years away from being able to do S24O >> rides with my kids, very much looking forward to it. > > I did my first S24O with my son when he was eight months old. Why > wait? It's fun to tour with babies and young children. My oldest daughter's first camping trip was when she was 7-8 months old, but both kids are in the middle range now where they're too big to haul in a Burley, but not able to ride any distance yet. One hasn't mastered the 2-wheeler yet and the other just started riding last week. Another couple of years and they'll be able to ride 20 miles to a park on their own bikes, for now i'm just enjoying the neighborhood rides and non-bike camping. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S24O for a complete newbie!
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Frederick, Steve wrote: > Michael_S wrote, in part: > >>...You mention air mattresses. Hopefully they are either closed cell foam or >>inflatable foam, because an air mattess provides no insulation from >>the cold ground. This will help you sleep warmer in your summer weight >>bags too... > > Yep indeedy! I used a big comfy air mattress on my last supported tour and > half froze to death! Is there an insulating ground cloth or panel that could > be used under it or do I need another mattress? > > Steve "Brrr," Frederick, East Lansing, MI I have a 3/4 length 1" Thermarest inflatable foam mattress that helps a lot with cold ground (and rocks and other stuff). Packs down very small but makes a big difference in sleeping comfort. Wearing socks and a wool hat help a lot with cold weather camping too, and i'm with Mike; a cup of coffee or tea in the morning makes a cold start much more pleasant. Have fun! I'm still a couple of years away from being able to do S24O rides with my kids, very much looking forward to it. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Heron may rise again!
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Phil Bickford wrote: > Steve Frederick wrote: > > >Hmm. Waterford provides an inexpensive tig'd track/singlespeed > frame for Bens Bikes to sell. (the "Orange One") >It's available > with other branding from at least one other shop. > > Are these still being sold by Ben's? Who else carries them? Just Ben's as far as i know, but you can buy one from them online: http://www.benscycle.net/ They have an interesting selection of other parts too, the cogs and lockrings are made there in Milwaukee, IIRC. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
Luggage style makes sense in that scenario, no matter the weight - having a bike swinging around near head height in crowds might make people nervous :-) On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, William wrote: > Bill > > Yeah, luggage style. My BART bike tends to be in the 45-50lb range > loaded with all my work related stuff. My shoulder couldn't take > that. > > other Bill > > On Apr 5, 10:14 am, Bill Connell wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, William wrote: >> > When I portage my Hillborne up and down the long steps of the South >> > Hayward Bart station, I grab it hard on the seat tube and loop my >> > thumb into the top loop of the King cage that is bolted to the seat >> > tube. If I'm wearing knit gloves, it's hard to get a good grip. More >> > than once I've thought that it would be great to have a second top >> > tube about halfway down the seat tube to simplify urban portage. >> >> Portaging a bike is a main thing that gives me pause with the 2tt >> designs. I may be wrong, but from your description, it sounds like >> you're carrying the bike like a large piece of luggage, which might be >> a lot simpler in a train station setting. In my case, there are at >> least a couple of places around town where trail access involves a >> long staircase or (on one offroad trail) a long log crossing, so i >> shoulder the bike, cyclocross-style. I don't use a tt-mounted pump on >> most bikes for this reason, and the smaller triangle of a 2tt would >> make it more difficult. Of course, i recognize most people probably >> don't generally have reason carry their bikes like this. >> >> -- >> Bill Connell >> St. Paul, MN > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:48 AM, William wrote: > When I portage my Hillborne up and down the long steps of the South > Hayward Bart station, I grab it hard on the seat tube and loop my > thumb into the top loop of the King cage that is bolted to the seat > tube. If I'm wearing knit gloves, it's hard to get a good grip. More > than once I've thought that it would be great to have a second top > tube about halfway down the seat tube to simplify urban portage. Portaging a bike is a main thing that gives me pause with the 2tt designs. I may be wrong, but from your description, it sounds like you're carrying the bike like a large piece of luggage, which might be a lot simpler in a train station setting. In my case, there are at least a couple of places around town where trail access involves a long staircase or (on one offroad trail) a long log crossing, so i shoulder the bike, cyclocross-style. I don't use a tt-mounted pump on most bikes for this reason, and the smaller triangle of a 2tt would make it more difficult. Of course, i recognize most people probably don't generally have reason carry their bikes like this. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
The mockups are really helpful, thanks for putting them together. I have to say, i greatly prefer the look of parallel top tubes, if a double TT is the plan, but i'm not on the Hunq list, so my vote is more theoretical. Two other observations in this discussion though: This is the second Riv frame that seems to be getting significant input from someone other than Grant (Rodeo designed by Mark, Keven at least some decisions on this one). Maybe this has happened before with less discussion, but it's interesting that it's part of the conversation with these frames. Also, if the 2nd top tube angle changes, will the decal have to change so the 2nd line in the Hunq's H matches it? (in the 2tt world, i like that this logo mirrors the frame) -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Marty wrote: > Here's my crude mock-up to show what seems to be the diagonal > direction, with water bottle bosses and graphics relocated. Kind of > liking it...but keep in mind this is only my interpretation of what > has been mentioned. As Grants says, it's Keven's call. > > http://tinyurl.com/yebexd2 > > Marty > > On Apr 5, 6:33 am, EricP wrote: >> Will wait until a photo is there before getting too depressed by it. >> However, it's turning into a different bike than the one I ordered. >> Really hoping that it is going to be worth the extra wait. And since >> the seat tube won't be able to take a bottle cage, the shifted 2nd tt >> will hopefully have cage bosses? >> >> Yes, yes, am complaining and whining about this way too much. >> >> But now, a 29er mixte. That would be cool. And something I'd ride. >> A lot. >> >> Eric Platt >> St. Pau, MN >> >> On Apr 4, 11:30 pm, Grant Petersen wrote: >> >> >> >> > Midpoint of headtube to midpoint of seat tube. Sorta mixte-like. (Jim >> > Thrill/Hiawatha said...) >> >> > Keven loves the 62 Betty/Yves, and rides it a lot, and rode it with weight, >> > and remarked how well it carried it, not what you'd expect from a mixte. >> > But >> > the design like that works, and that lead to the diagonalization of the 2tt >> > (second top tube, I'm tired of typing it all out), and some friendly >> > turmoil >> > here. It's Keven's call, which way it goes, but I think it's looking >> > diagonal. That's where I'd put my puka-shells. >> >> > G >> >> > -- >> > Grant >> > Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com >> > 925 933 7304 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Our own Walnut Creek
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: > Winona is not a hotbed of culinary wonders. La Crosse has more options. > Both towns have an astonishing number of bars. True, but I should mention that Red Wing, from whence many of these rides start, has the excellent Norton's restaurant downtown, run by Greg Norton (for the Husker Du fans on the list). Top-notch food and wine list. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Our own Walnut Creek
That area around Lake Pepin, especially on the Wisconsin side, is packed with good little food stops, especially if you like pie. Bill On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:05 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: > Looks like a lot of fun. > > I should, but have not yet, find the time to ride up around > Minneapolis. > > The bluffs on either side of the Mississippi near LaCrosse and even > where Iowa, Wisconsin and Illinois come together present both > beautiful and challenging rides. > > I think if our friends out West made it out here for some riding (Mid- > September is probably the best time weatherwise) they would be most > pleased with the scenery, open roads and trails, if not somewhat > disappointed with the food and coffee offerings away from Chicago and > Minneapolis anyway. (You are never too far from decent places to eat > and drink in the Bay Area and Wine District - of course everyone knows > that so you are bound to be sharing the roads with quite a few of > them). > > On Apr 2, 7:22 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery > wrote: >> I'm probably not the only one who has enjoyed the photos Grant makes >> on his rides up into the hills around Walnut Creek. Some friends and I >> rode a back-road loop around Lake Pepin on Sunday. Usually when I ride >> around Pepin, the local vegetation is green and lush, but in March, >> it's still pretty brown. I thought many times that the brown, knobby >> topography was reminicent of Grant's WC area photos. Also, we all were >> riding steel (2 Rivs) and wearing clothes that didn't look like >> cycling clothes. This loop would be a good ride for you Californians >> who are under the impression that the Midwest is devoid of hills. >> >> Anyway, here's my >> write-up:http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2010/04/sundays-lake-pepin-advent... > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Cloth Tape, Twine, Shellac and Vanity
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Ryan wrote: > Can any of you esteemed group members recommend cloth tape, twine and > shellac that would closely match a well used honey Brooks? > Yrs., > Ryan > > Post Script: It's not for because I'm vain but for Vanity 6. Shellacked tape reference: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/newbaum-s-bar-tape/16-207 I think yellow tape with amber shellac is supposed to come out the closest to a honey Brooks, from my hazy memory of past Readers. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet white out!
Looks to me like the Planet Bike Cascadia fenders, one of my favorites. I think the white saddle and bar tape look great, but then i use it myself on my 'cross bike; i rather like the grunge and decay of cloth bar tape over time. Bill On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Steve wrote: > What fenders and flaps are those? > > On Mar 31, 6:40 pm, "Frederick, Steve" > wrote: >> Did a little redecorating on the Rambly--wonder what that bartape will look >> like after a few hundred miles? >> >> A shot on the shores of Lake Lansing, prettiest dredged out swamp you ever >> saw. >> >> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2710/4479756577_b96d66d7e0_b.jpg >> >> Got the tan Acorn bag and white Regal from a coupla Riv-listers--how do they >> look, guys? >> >> Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's latest post.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where are you and when will you take the fenders off for the dry season?
St. Paul - i have fenders on almost all bikes year 'round. I've had nice days bring showers mid-ride, and i hate the dirt streak up my back. My bikes look naked to me now without fenders. Bill On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:17 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > Chicago. I like the way fenders look and leave them on no matter the > weather. There is no such thing as a dry season in the upper midwest, > in any event. Only the occasional drought. > > On Mar 26, 4:14 pm, William wrote: >> Do you celebrate the changing seasons by annually pulling off the >> fenders for the summer and putting them back on for the winter? When >> do you do it? By feel, by date, or in reaction to the threat of >> weather? Or do you leave them on year-round? >> >> I live in El Cerrito, CA (just north of Berkeley). We had a little >> rain this week, but I am tempted to take off the fenders from my >> Hillborne pretty soon. It's freaking gorgeous out. I got the bike >> last December, so I've never seen it built up without fenders. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
