Re: [RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[EricP]

Depends on your planned use. So far have owned - 
Toyo Atlantis (too small, but nice ride anyway)
Green Sam Hillborne (sidepulls)
SimpleOne 
Blue Sam Hillborne double top tube (sidepulls)
59 Clem Smith Jr. L

Still own the last two. But since getting the Clem it gets most of the 
riding time. Mainly use the SH when riding where I need to put the bike on 
a vehicle rack. Also the Hillborne needs new tires and I haven't taken the 
time to go to a store to buy a set of Marathon Racers. Or even regular 
Marathons.

The Clem is just fun to ride. Now, it could be because I am very overweight 
the heavier bike doesn't seem slower. Or maybe it's the wider tires that 
make it more fun on our local paths.

However, when I was commuting to work a couple times a month, the Hillborne 
was the ticket. And I used to do some longer rides on it. So there is 
nothing wrong with the bike. It's quite nice. Just that the Clem is even 
nicer. At least for me and where I am as a cyclist.

Also think that the Clem is probably triggering memories of my first "good" 
bike, a 1984 Specalized Stumpjumper with the long chainstays. Raced, 
commuted and just rode that one quite a lot until it was stolen.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN 

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 6:05:28 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:

> The one bike probably depends upon which uses you are straddling.  I tend 
> to be on the road/touring and road/light off-trail use mix, so my one bike 
> would probably be my A Homer Hilson (AHH)/Sam HIllborne bike.  (I have the 
> AHH, but am lucky enough not to need to choose one bike.)  (If I were 
> strictly road/club riding, then I would go with the Roadeo/Roadini). 
>
> My other do-almost everything bike is my Cheviot, which I use for 
> commuting/light touring/light off trail (only no fast road rides)--Platypus 
> would be the current production equivalent.
>
> So, 1 bike: AHH, 2 bikes: Roadeo/Cheviot (It's always fun to think about 
> bike N and N+1 :-)
>
> Welcome to the group.
>
> Toshi in Oakland
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[EricP]

Another vote for a basic wired Cateye. Started using them in college and 
never felt the need to change. Have a journal where I write down the 
mileage at the end of each year and to add any important notes.

Also, I don't ride enough to really justify anything more. And I enjoy not 
having my cell phone easily at hand while riding. It's kept in a pouch in a 
bag on the bike. Either handlebar bag or a kangaroo pouch on a Sackville.

All this reminds me that I need to swap out batteries for this year's 
riding season.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN 


On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 5:09:34 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> I still use a wired Catyeye Mity 2 on my previous highest mileage bike. 
> I've never found myself drawn to the vanity of mileage because I can attest 
> to both the really ugly miles I managed to crank through that have no 
> comparison to those beautiful many that have passed beneath me by the tens 
> like a dream. Most of my on-bike metrics are for navigation and 
> timing purposes on current or future rides but only I know the quality of 
> the units of my rides. Even if I did track climbing in data units, only I 
> can attest to the subjective experiences' duration of effort and sense of 
> accomplishment provided.
>
> I've nominally been caught up in hindsight data lust in the past but never 
> enough to spend on data collecting devices, apps or sites. I don't have so 
> many bikes that maintenance needs are daunting and the conditions I ride 
> through over the course of the seasons here dictate services or 
> replacements way more so than mileage so I use my eyeballs and various TMDE 
> to assess for maintenance needs or replacements. It would be grievous (I've 
> proven it in the past) to rely on mileage for my bikes. 
>
> I like riding my bike more than you do. Strava that.
>
> Andy Cheatham 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 4:13:11 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How is everyone keeping track of mileage on your bikes? I’m curious what 
>> methods people are using. 
>>
>> I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the 
>> data, let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without 
>> tracking as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But 
>> it would be fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of 
>> owning a bike, etc. I wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks 
>> saddle that I bought 15 or so years ago. 
>>
>> I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise 
>> RD. How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps 
>> track keep track? 
>>
>> Joe M. 
>> Los Angeles 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me Sam! Advice/recommendations?

[EricP]

Nice looking bike! 

As to cables and shifters - you can put Silver shifters on Shimano pods but 
you have to grind off the little tab on the pod. There are instructions at 
the Rivendell site. It's because the Shimano and Silver sit on the pod 
differently. Took me a while to figure that out.

As to cables, if it's all stock, then yeah, replacing brake cables is 
probably worth it for peace of mind. 

And Barlow Pass tires should fit under the fenders (they did on mine). 
However, I would just go with Shikoros. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN 

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 6:16:53 PM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:

> If the head badge was put on upside down right from Rivendell, I 
> personally would keep it that way. I find such accidental anomalies 
> charming and perhaps even a good luck talisman.
>
> I have to say I really appreciate the sage green paint. Congratulations on 
> the new purchase.
>
> In terms of the cables - just inspect for any frayed or broken strands. 
> But, if all looks good and all cables operate smoothly, there's probably no 
> need to change them. If you do decide to change them anyway, I would 
> recommend teflon coated ones. They glide nicely and only cost a little 
> extra.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 10:33:17 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Good morning!
>> I've wanted a zippier second bike to complement my lovely Atlantis for a 
>> while now, and I finally got one! Up until a couple weeks ago, I made it my 
>> plan to buy a Homer frame when they eventually get released, pay for frame 
>> prepping, and stash it in my basement, and amass parts over the winter to 
>> build it up. But...this lovely Samuel Hillborne came up for sale on eBay 
>> and it just felt meant to be. To top it off, the seller was a 3 hour drive 
>> away. Long story short, I got it!
>>
>> The build is what they used to call "700 Drop Bar Sam Jumbo" Build 
>> Kit...it's a 9" stem instead of the listed 11". Nothing super fancy, but 
>> all quality! It took me a solid four days to notice the headbage is upside 
>> down...not sure I really care, but I did find an RJ the Bike Guy video on 
>> headbadge removal/installation if it does end up bugging me. 
>>
>> [image: 3.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 1.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 2.jpg]
>>
>> Here is where I could use some help/recommendations...
>> 1. I know I want different tires. It has 40mm Marathon Supremes that 
>> measure only 38-39mm. I can't get a 42mm Shikoro in there without contact 
>> and trying to adjust the fender. I would like to keep the fenders on for 
>> now. I like the Shikoros I have on my Atlantis enough to just get a pair of 
>> 38mm and call it a day, but maybe I don't need quite that tough of a tire 
>> for paved bike trails, crushed limestone trails, light gravel/dirt roads, 
>> etc... What do you like? 
>>
>> 2. If you bought an 8 year old bike with all-original parts, would you 
>> freshen up the cables/housing or would you just ride until you have a 
>> problem?
>>
>> 3. It might be kind of fun to throw on some Silver shifters while I'm at 
>> it. I like the Shimano Dura-Ace shifters fine, but the Riv website says 
>> their downtube Silver Shifters can be put on the Shimano pods. Has anyone 
>> any advice or warnings about doing this? 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[EricP]

My sage has a painted headtube. The earlier green one I had did not. Also, 
the earlier one did not have the two raised portions of the fork crown 
painted when I bought it. Took care of that with some white paint and a 
hobby brush.

While I have seen photos of the sage with no contrasting headtube, have 
never seen one like that in person. 

Besides the double top tubes, not sure there were any other significant 
changes. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 2:09:47 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oooh...I think the darker green ones were the mistake ones I saw on the 
> Wayback Machine. Now I NEED to find it!
>
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 1:54:31 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> There was a darker green run - kind of a vintage Porsche color - around 
>> 2010 that had this "mistake", too. Some came without a cream headtube and I 
>> thought looked better that way. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good stuff, everyone! 
>>>
>>> The one thing that makes me wonder, though, is that this BLUG post below 
>>> makes it seem like the Sams that were coming out in early 2014 were 
>>> produced with the 62cm Sage not having a cream head tube, but other double 
>>> top tubes pictured have cream tubes.
>>>
>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68923093887/new-green-sams-came-in-today-available-for/amp
>>>
>>> There's no mention in the Blug about the difference, though. Maybe it is 
>>> where they were produced, though. I know I saw with the Wayback Machine a 
>>> web special for sage green Sams that should have had cream head tubes but 
>>> the painter messed up...they were being sold discounted...but I can't 
>>> remember what year/month/day I checked and saw it.
>>>
>>> It's pretty unimportant and I only ask because I thought it might be a 
>>> well-known piece of Riv trivia (Rivia?).
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:57:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 I'd say ALL the 'early' Sam's have a single color, with no cream head 
 tube.  Mine, bought in December '09 is all orange.  I'm sure some people 
 might have gotten D repaint with a cream headtube.  I associate the 
 transition to cream headtube with 'later' Sam's, and there were a couple 
 ways that occurred.  Some got built at Waterford, and some of it may have 
 been introduced alongside price increases.  You asked "why", which i take 
 to mean "what was Rivendell's motivation to ever spec any bike without a 
 cream headtube?"  I think it was to keep the price down.  When I bought 
 mine in 2009, it was a $995 frameset.  There are several cost-saving 
 details on mine.  No cream headtube, socketed dropouts, etc.  I don't 
 recall what MSRP was in 2013.  Early Betty Foys were one color.  Romulus 
 and Redwood were one color.  Quickbeam and Simpleones were one color, etc. 
  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Good morning!
> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage 
> Green Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to 
> double check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 
> 2013) and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand 
> times. I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group 
> and 
> there are two things I can't seem to find out...
>
> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage 
> green bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm 
> Sage 
> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made 
> me 
> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). 
>
> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where 
> they were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, 
> just curious to poke around on Bike Insights. 
>
> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you 
> have to add!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha 
>


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[RBW] Re: Clem Lotto

[EricP]

Man, those Team Stumpies were definitely cool. Never did ride one. Back 
when they came out, I was buying a year out of date 1984 Stumpjumper frame 
with the longer stays and built it up. As a college kid with not much money 
that's the only way I could do it. Pretty sure it came with the bottom 
bracket and headset. Then when that got stolen out of my garage ended up 
replacing it with a 1983 Stumpjumper frame. Sadly also stolen from a locked 
garage. 

Either way, owning those bikes made it much easier for me in my dotage to 
go for a Clem low. In fact, my only regret is not getting one when they 
first came out. Well, and the fact that it will not fit on a regular bike 
rack. Have to buy one of the wheel tray versions. Not looking forward to it 
as don't really have the garage space. Oh well.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:40:09 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Oh my god!!!  That Stumpy is my last remaining  personal holy grail dream 
> bike that I could never find and probably don't need.  PLEASE keep me in 
> mind if you ever want to get rid of it.  (Since it sounds like your kids 
> dont want it.)  
>
> Regarding the stigma of step-through bikes:  I suspect every male wrestles 
> with it.  But I also believe that every enlightened person who rides long 
> enough and is able to put function and logic and wisdom above  fashion and 
> stereotype and insecurity will eventually "get it. " I do think that the 
> younger someone is, the quicker they'll  be able to get there. Even if it's 
> not immediate.  Not just because they're less fixated on gender roles than 
> older generations, but because bike fashion is grooming them to accept low 
> top tubes.  Think about Jones Spaceframes or pretty much any modern, 
> carbon, full-suspension rig.  Those are macho bikes by anyone's standards. 
> Wolbis Slugstone was a badass too.
>
> Coincidentally and case in point, my son has one of the newest 
> Stumpjumpers, an S-works, carbon, enduro bike. It's interesting.  The way 
> specialized now sizes bikes like his is to make the standover and stack 
> heights pretty much identical, regardless of frame size.  So the top tube 
> is LOW. The only thing that changes is the effective top tube length, so 
> any rider can opt for any frame size depending on ride characteristic 
> preference, and then adjust to fit with stem and seatpost, etc.
>
> But I derailed this thread, didn't  I
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-6 El Sapo wrote:
>
>> You think 30 year old men are going to select the women's version of a 
>> bike more often than a toad like me? Because they aren't stigmatized? I'll 
>> ride a pink Stumpjumper Team occasionally (called a "Barbie bike" by a 
>> little girl on the trail). My 30 something son and his friends are freaked 
>> out by it and would never ride it.   
>>
>> Grant probably regrets putting men's and women's names on his bikes. 
>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> And to plagiarize myself a bit from that convo, some of us older dudes 
>>> carry a stigma about step-throughs/mixtes that anyone under 30 would 
>>> consider baffling. In reality it's just a tube brazed down lower on another 
>>> tube instead of up higher, and most modern road and mountain bikes have 
>>> sloping toptubes anyway! As our Bicycle Belle Ding Ding Leah says, 
>>> #toptubeswhoneedsem
>>>
>>> I hope you get that Clem, Doug! 
>>>
>>> Joe "didn't kick my droptube today" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 7:02:44 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Well, I bought a lottery ticket for a Clem and now I wait. Not sure how 
 I feel about this system but it does seem a more fair way to sell the 
 limited amount of bikes. This may be the new normal for awhile until the 
 cargo backlog clears up. I read somewhere that the cost per bike to ship 
 by 
 cargo ship has gone from $17 per bike to about $70 per bike in some cases. 
 I don't know how accurate these figures are but I don't doubt the 
 increase. 
 Couple that with the increased demand and decreased supply coming out of 
 factories and one can easily understand the price increases across the 
 markets.

 Anyway, I was texting Joe earlier today about my reservation about 
 buying a step-through frame and he was saying he loves his custom with the 
 low top tube. I looked at a few builds online including Grant's Clem L and 
 they just look so nice. At 54 years old I will enjoy stepping through the 
 frame instead of having to do a leg lift every time I ride. One other 
 random thought...I wonder if the Platypus has lowered the demand for the 
 Clem L?
 Doug

 On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:24:52 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Aha... Thank you, John, for that note. Must have been a glitch. I just 
> clicked on that link and was able to purchase. 
> Winter is fast approaching here in MI, so 

[RBW] Re: Will Rivendell shifters work on Paul Thumbie mounts?

[EricP]

No. I tried. You need the center post which the Paul doesn't have.

The Sunrace mount will work, but the center post supplied is too short. One 
needs to use either a Shimano bar end center post or something similar. 
Just went through that whole issue on my Sam Hillborne. Ended up just using 
it as a bar end shifter. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 9:57:34 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Thanks Garth,
> I should have looked there first. 
>
> Cheers,
> Ray
>
> On Saturday, October 2, 2021 at 2:58:05 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> That's a no-go Ray, as Rivendell states on their thumbie product page and 
>> as Joe confirmed in your other post. 
>> On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:50:47 PM UTC-4 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried mounting their Rivendell shifters to Paul’s thumbie 
>>> mounts?
>>> If so, did they work well enough?
>>>
>>> Thank you 
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Opinions sought on crankset for Hillborne

[EricP]

Collin,

I just didn't put the left arm on with enough torque. Either one that I 
mounted. Which then causes them to creak, slowly work loose and round the 
corners. This last time I cranked down hard enough on the bolt that I 
thought I cracked the arm. But doing work on it during lunch showed nothing 
amiss.

FWIW, I did swap back to the Alfine just now and will ride it that way for 
the rest of the year. One less thing to worry about as fall arrives. Plus, 
the Clem still gets the majority of the miles. 

Thanks everyone for the help. And if anyone still has ideas, please let me 
know.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN 

On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 10:22:26 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Sort of unrelated, how did the crank arms fail?
>
> Silver Riv Cranks are nice, though...but it also sounds like you've got 
> something that already works, so why fix what isn't broken?
>
> Collin, "non-answer" in SAC
>
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 2:26:55 PM UTC-7 EricP wrote:
>
>> Am hitting a crossroads with this. For the first few years of owning this 
>> bike, used a Shimano Alfine single ring crankset with guard and a 38t ring. 
>> Then at some point decided to go with a Sugino in a similar setup. Problem 
>> is, have gone through at least 2 non drive side crank arms since then. 
>> Obviously user error. And there are no more arms to be found. (The one that 
>> Ben's Cycle carries has a spider no matter what the photo shows).
>>
>> So the question becomes - do I spring for a Silver crankset, swap out the 
>> stock 34t for a 36t and ignore a front derailer, or just put the Alfine 
>> back on? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any advice you want to give.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>

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[RBW] Opinions sought on crankset for Hillborne

[EricP]

Am hitting a crossroads with this. For the first few years of owning this 
bike, used a Shimano Alfine single ring crankset with guard and a 38t ring. 
Then at some point decided to go with a Sugino in a similar setup. Problem 
is, have gone through at least 2 non drive side crank arms since then. 
Obviously user error. And there are no more arms to be found. (The one that 
Ben's Cycle carries has a spider no matter what the photo shows).

So the question becomes - do I spring for a Silver crankset, swap out the 
stock 34t for a 36t and ignore a front derailer, or just put the Alfine 
back on? 

Thanks in advance for any advice you want to give.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Subtle, insidious seatpost slippage on my Clem H driving me crazy

[EricP]

Am assuming when you say you replaced the bolt, you also replaced the nut? 
I have found that nylock seatpost nuts don't allow me to fully torque down 
on the frame to hold the post.

On my Clem, a Kalloy Uno seatpost, in black, seems to not slip as much. But 
my issue is excess body weight, not a poor fit between post and frame. In 
your case, maybe a switch to a 27.0 post would be a better solution.

Good luck.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:55:21 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> With the clamp bolt loosened, is the seatpost a good or loose fit in the 
> seat tube? A seatpost should fit in the frame with no perceptible slop 
> before the clamp bolt is tightened. My Appaloosa was nominally supposed to 
> take a 26.8mm seatpost, and a 26.8mm seatpost was supplied with the frame. 
> But the post was, I considered, too loose a fit in the seat tube, so I 
> grabbed a 27.0mm seatpost (a Nitto S65) and did a very small amount of 
> reaming of the seat tube to ensure a perfect fit. It's never slipped in use.
>
> As a much cheaper alternative, you could cut yourself a shim from a coke 
> can - the aluminium in those is usually around 0.1mm thick - and see if 
> that makes a difference. The metal in those cans is thin enough that it can 
> be cut with a good sharp pair of scissors. You might have to hack the 
> initial hole in the side of the can with something else, but once you can 
> get the scissor blade in there, it should manage the rest.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[EricP]

I have already mailed the Hillborne brochure and the small fold up catalog 
to Eric for him to scan.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 12:35:44 AM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Wow. 
> Eric - that is a wonderful contribution.
>
> I don't think I ever got a Cheviot brochure, and I have the Hiawatha 
> Holidays No. II, but not No. 1
>
> I've got a few ephemeral bits and bobs, on my list to scan - just flipped 
> quickly through my box o' stuff and found:
> Original Banana Bag instructions (similar in style to the Boxy Bag 
> instructions), some WoolyWarm stuff, a few one sheets on various bits.  
> There was also a tiny little fold-up products "catalog" that I have a few 
> of. A few paper Atlantis catalog handouts. 
>
> - Jim
>
> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
>> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>>
>> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
>> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the site. 
>> Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>>
>> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>>
>> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have anything 
>> that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>>
>>
>>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>>- Frame brochures
>>   - 1995 frames mailer
>>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>>   - Rambouillet
>>   - Romulus
>>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>>   - An early frame paint chart
>>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>>- Flyers
>>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>>- Ads
>>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>>
>>
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[RBW] Silver shifter to thumb mounts - on semi-complicated way

[EricP]

Realized that the bar end mount for the Silver shifter on the Hillborne 
wasn't working for me. Mechanically it was fine, just have grown out of the 
habit of bar-ends. Plus, I wanted to try different grips (Ergon) that would 
be a pain to modify for the shifter.

So, after some searching through the parts bin found a SunRace (SR) thumb 
shifter. Well, it uses a post similar to the bar end and looked close to 
the one Rivendell used to sell. So I tried it. It works! With one huge 
caveat. The post that comes stock on the SunRace is just a touch shorter 
than the post used on the bar end Rivendell sells (or the Shimano 
equivalent). This is important as without the slightly longer post you 
can't torque the shifter down enough to get the lower part to not wiggle. 
It's just a slight wiggle, but it's there. (This is the 16 position part 
that the Rivendell website mentions.) 

Maybe everyone knew this and it's been discussed to death, but if you want 
to mount a Silver to a thumb mount, this might be the cheapest way right 
now.

Now, this was just done this morning and I won't get out until this 
afternoon for a ride, so if it doesn't work, will report back later. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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Re: [RBW] Need 700x45C recommendations, please

[EricP]

Thanks for the ideas so far. Jeff has hooked me up with a pair of 
Specialized Fat Boy 700x45c which should tide me over for this year. Then 
maybe will grab the G-One and give them a try for next year. 

If there are still any other suggestions out there, please keep them 
coming. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 9:26:54 PM UTC-5 Mark Allen wrote:

> I hate to be that person who recommends the thing you *just* said you 
> don't want, but as a not-small person I've had impressively good luck on 
> Rene Herse's 700x44 Snoqualmie Pass with the Endurance casing. The combo of 
> the tougher casing and wider width (which allowed lower tire pressures) let 
> me get nearly 7k miles with only one flat before the rear needed to be 
> replaced, where earlier attempts with RH/Compass tires were not nearly as 
> successful.
>
> Mark
> Toronto
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 8:04:19 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:
>
>> My early Hillborne fits and rides Schwalbe G-one Allround tires very 
>> well, strongly recommended 56cm frame for reference. Also did well with 
>> 44mm Snoqualmie Pass tires.
>> [image: IMG_5445a.jpg][image: IMG_4510.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Need 700x45C recommendations, please

[EricP]

Looking to put the biggest tires I can on my early Sam Hillborne. With the 
sidepulls, 45mm is supposedly max. So what's out there? I have the Kendas 
from the Clem on there now. Heavy and slow, but very reliable.

As I am very heavy don't want to try the Rene Herse (Grand Bois) again. Had 
a set of Barlow Pass on this spring and ended up with three punctures on 
one ride. Just not worth it for the super light weight.

So far am thinking of the Schwalbe G-One, but what are some other favorite 
options? 

Thanks.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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Re: [RBW] HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

[EricP]

Thanks for doing this. That took a lot of work.

Notice that you didn't include the Sam Hillborne brochure or the small 
folded piece that has a couple of short articles (the shoes ruse) and then 
the other side has the bikes available.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 3:21:54 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Eric,
>
> Just another list member who's sending you heaps of thanks for taking this 
> project on and sharing with the community. Thank you Thank You THANK YOU!! 
>  Cheers,
>
> ~Mark
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2021, at 15:59, Olivier Chételat  wrote:
>
> Much much impressive archiving work. Superthanks!
>
> -Oli in SF
>
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 11:31:26 AM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> Even got a shoutout on the newsletter this week.
>> Excellent work!.
>>
>> --ben in KC
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 6:53 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> I hope you all enjoy, these catalogs are really cool. Great wisdom and 
>>> writing, cool parts through the ages. Heartbreaking wool prices. 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_5960.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 5:36:06 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh, this is great. Thank you, Eric!




 On Sep 2, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
 catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 

 Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
 http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the 
 site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 

 He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/

 Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have 
 anything that we haven't included please send me a DM. 


- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
- Frame brochures
   - 1995 frames mailer
   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
   - Rambouillet
   - Romulus
   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
   - An early frame paint chart
   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
- Flyers
   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
- Ads
   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
   - A 2014 Cheviot ad



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[RBW] Re: New Wheels for Clem; need advice

[EricP]

Good luck with whatever you choose. For my weight, the stock wheels on the 
Clem Jr. L are fine. But the tires had to go. They're now on my Hillborne 
and am seriously searching for something else in 700x45. That bike is now 
slower than the Clem, which shouldn't be the case.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 11:47:09 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm a huge fan of the Pacenti wheelsets. Affordable, light and well built.
>
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 9:38:55 AM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Hi Joyce
>>
>> Lighter tires would be a good first start for the Clem , as Ray 
>> mentioned. If you're interested in high-quality handbuilt wheels such as 
>> Joe mentioned...very nice BTW; I had some built for my Riv mixte...I'd use 
>> those wheels on your Platy..which is your "fun" bike, whereas the Clem is 
>> your utility bike...or, depending on what you have on the Platy, swap those 
>> over to the Clem and put the fancy new wheels on the Platypus. I'm assuming 
>> both bikes are 650B.
>>
>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 8:14:56 AM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>>> I had started with a stock complete Clem (65cm 'H' style.)
>>> I've since swapped out saddle/bars/stem/grips/tires and 
>>> added/removed/added different racks.
>>>
>>> Saddle is now a vintage B-72(scavenged from a Raleigh Sports) with 
>>> Breezer double rail adapter on the stock seat-post.
>>> - I've also since picked up a seatpost shim so I could eventually use 
>>> any 27.2 post (likely a 2-bolt post since I much prefer the ease of angle 
>>> adjustability and less chance of slipping vs. single post post (i've had 
>>> saddles slip on micro-adjust single bolts, admittedly rare and not enough 
>>> to be a huge concern, bit it's happened and annoying.)
>>> Bars/stem = Riv Bullmoose with some Ergon style grips I picked up from a 
>>> local shop 'take-off bin.'
>>> Tires = Continental MountainKing since I wanted something with more 
>>> tread/grip in loose local gravel.
>>>
>>> At the time when they announced the pre-order for the huge 65cm size I 
>>> opted for the complete since I'd still have needed a set of wheels/tires 
>>> and a couple other bits to make a complete combined with spare parts I had 
>>> on hand so the value was in the ready-to-ride complete aspect, not having 
>>> to think much about this or that, or the ultimate expense of individual 
>>> parts purchases that would likely either meet or exceed the cost of the 
>>> complete.
>>>
>>> Obviously it wasn't long before I started tinkering with it but I'm 
>>> still riding the stock wheels and drivetrain, despite swapping out much of 
>>> the rest.  Stock bosco bars and stem were traded away long ago but I still 
>>> have the stock saddle and grips around for other bikes.
>>>
>>> The multicolored spokes are one of my favorite details, though this 
>>> hasn't exactly influenced much in regard to decisions around the purchase 
>>> or ugrades.  My only real issue with the stock wheelset was the rear 
>>> non-drive size rubber dust cover for the hub... it would squeak like crazy 
>>> rubbing somewhere so I just removed it.  This will certainly lead to 
>>> earlier bearing wear I'm sure but I'd rather wear out the hub faster 
>>> without the annoying squeaks and this'll just give me an excuse to ponder 
>>> the same questions around what wheels/hubs to use next!
>>>
>>> I've debated converting to single speed for a bit with a Paul Melvin 
>>> tensioner I have set aside once the drivetrain wears out a bit more and/or 
>>> I finally get completely sick of the occasional ghost shifting with the 
>>> stock Sunrace shifters.
>>> I've also debated moving to an index 12-36 9speed with 
>>> shifter/cassette/derailer left over from a prior build that has since been 
>>> put back in reserve but this might end up on one of my wife's bikes instead 
>>> (waiting on final verdict on some bars to determine final shifting solution 
>>> vs. current downtube shifters.)
>>>
>>> On my shortlist for replacement wheels is the new Velo Orange Voyager 
>>> wheels.  Mostly for the range of adaptability 
>>> (rim/disc/tube/tubeless/38mm-2"+ tire sizes/QR/Thru-axle/etc.)  Not sure of 
>>> any weight savings but more thinking it'll be one wheelset I could adapt to 
>>> just about anything (I could see myself ending up with) since I still 
>>> occasionally like to try something different though I am trying to simplify 
>>> things so this consideration may ultimately be an over indulgence if 
>>> nothing else.
>>>
>>> Clem is absolutely my biggest bike, but not sure if the heaviest in it's 
>>> current state vs. my current regular rider = an old Raleigh 700c 
>>> conversion(long story how this thing evolved) with beefy 48spoke single 
>>> speed wheels, rack/basket, removable rear child seat, etc.
>>>
>>> I honestly don't even think much about Clem's weight except for when 
>>> lugging in/out the front door (no garage!) and even then it's size is the 
>>> greater obstacle.  In fact, it's 

[RBW] Re: What made you a bikey?

[EricP]

All the neighborhood kids had bikes. Pretty sure mine was a Sears model 
with solid rubber tires. So I could always lay down a skid on the hill and 
not worry about blowing out. Then by the time I was in high school, 
Breaking Away was big. So I got more serious. Bought a 10 speed and over 
the next couple years rebuilt it. Helps that I started going to college 
that had a great bike shop near. Also started commuting by bike as it was 
quicker than the bus, even in winter. And the time spent riding in a storm 
seemed less dangerous than the mile plus walk to the bus stop.

Not sure how, but in about 1983/84 found out about mountain bikes and got 
one. Of course it spent most of the time commuting, but did race and 
explore trails. Basically doing back then what Rivendell started promoting 
later.

There have been a number of years where I didn't bike and even now my miles 
are a lot less than they used to be. But still enjoy it. (Oh, and I 
definitely don't consider myself a bikey.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 5:07:04 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> My parents were mot rich, they got me a Columbia fat tired bike from S 
> green stamps when I was 13 or so and I was in heaven.  The bike got put 
> away when in HS but in my Sr. year of college I bought a Giro D’Italia.  I 
> was in heaven.  It took me 2 more years to really ride it, why, well I quit 
> my job and started my graduate work part time in 1975, rode all that summer 
> because I liked it, usually 40+ miles a day in converse sneakers, short cut 
> offs and no shirt, no spare, no water, never thought about it.  The next 
> summer I did the same thing before heading out to St. Louis to finish my 
> masters.  I’ve been riding ever since when physical limitations do not get 
> in the way.  
>
> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 5:45:53 PM UTC-4 Jack Doran wrote:
>
>>
>> Being newly unemployed and poor, newly single and heartbroken during the 
>> great recession. Set up a freecycled, cheap aluminum rear rack on my Surly 
>> Cross Check, bungee corded a car camping sleeping bag, pad, and tent to it, 
>> and rode up to a spot I knew in Tilden where I figured nobody would bother 
>> me if I spent the night. The next morning, I couldn't understand why 
>> everyone didn't do this.
>>
>> Can we bring "bikey" back? I've read posts by Jobst Brandt where he uses 
>> it, but I haven't heard it anywhere else.
>> On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 1:48:18 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Will has an interesting post in the the recent Riv Newsletter about how 
>>> he and some friends first noticed bikes and got into them. After your 
>>> initial foray as a kid with a bike, what was the thing that made you notice 
>>> them later and turn you into an adult-person-cyclist? 
>>>
>>> Mine is similar to Will's as a young man in Los Angeles, except it was 
>>> the flashy riders in "tight clothes" I picked up on. I vividly recall being 
>>> stopped on Pacific Coast Highway somewhere south of Long Beach (probably on 
>>> a motorcycle) and watching all the roadies go by, this would be early '80s. 
>>> This one guy went by on a green (actually celeste blue, but I didn't know 
>>> that at the time) Bianchi with matching bar tape and riding gear. That was 
>>> the moment I - a car and motorcycle nut - realized bicycles were a thing, 
>>> too. A very cool thing, and you got a workout in the process! 
>>>
>>> I was hooked, what hooked you? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sometimes the answer is right there

[EricP]

Thanks! Got the 54mm pads on my last order. Just haven't installed them 
yet. Will do that post-haste. Like you, am a large person and wouldn't mind 
these brakes having a touch more stopping power, although over the years 
have gotten to where I don't ride past my ability to stop. (Did briefly 
think about getting brake posts brazed on, but decided not to go that route 
for a few years). 

Previously had used the Yokozuna pads which had been my standard. Just 
can't figure out why I never thought about using 73mm pads/holders on 
sidepulls before. It seems obvious, but just never crossed my mind.

Thanks! And now to start thinking about those Schwalbe tires.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 9:40:42 AM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:

> Eric, they are Riv recommended Kool Stop E-bike brake pads (73mm, but they 
> come in 54mm too). Excellent pads! All part of my ongoing schemes and 
> attempts to simulate the power of v-brakes on my side pull r559 brakes. I’m 
> ready to have someone weld on some v-brake posts for that 
> strong-enough-to-slow-this-heavy-guy-on-a-bike v-brake goodness. But these 
> are as good as it gets in the meantime, and they’re very good pads. I also 
> use compression less brake cable housing, also helps at the margins. 
>
> From https://www.rivbike.com/products/brake-pads-kool-stop-e-bike :
>
> “A guy who builds up tons of bikes asked me if I’d ever tried Kool-Stop 
> e-bike brake pads, and of course not. Who’s going to do that out of the 
> blue? I don’t replace brake pads until I hear the metal holders touching 
> the rim, anyway.
>
> The guy, Chris C., is not a raver and wasn’t pushy, but he seemed bursting 
> with sincere enthusiasm for these pads, which he said are smooth and quiet 
> and stop fantastically well, so we got samples, and holy cow.
>
> I think these are as good as brake pads get, and I suspect they’re really 
> the best in the world. The 73mm V-brake pads are thicker than most V-brake 
> pads—probably so you don’t blow through skinny ones on rim-braked 
> eBikes—and that’s another bonus. You can use the V-brake pads-with-holders 
> on sidepulls, too.”
>
> On Saturday, 10 July 2021 at 06:34:27 UTC-7 EricP wrote:
>
>> Thanks! Hmm. That gives me some other tire ideas. What else are folks 
>> using for 700x45c tires? Don't have a lot of options near me, so what to 
>> see what others are using.
>>
>> Also, Abe, what are those brake pad holders? Looks like larger mountain 
>> bike one on the Tektro 559.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 5:42:31 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I run RH Snoqualmie Pass (700c x 44) that really run closer to 41mm.  
>>> Fit fine without fenders.  I tried running a set of Oracle Ridge (700c x 
>>> 47).  They fit, but it was hard getting them past the brake calipers (even 
>>> with the cable fully slack).
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:14:02 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe I'm just happy to see a similar Sam (double TT!), but I can also 
>>>> confirm that my Schwalbe G-One Allround tires fit at 700x45 - even with 
>>>> the 
>>>> little knobbies on the Allround tire. I wouldn't go bigger than that 
>>>> really, maybe 47 or 48mm slick tires would fit well enough but leave very 
>>>> little space between the rubber and the paint.
>>>>  [image: IMG_5677.jpg]
>>>> [image: IMG_4510a.jpg]
>>>> [image: IMG_4451.jpg][image: IMG_4453.jpg]
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Abe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 7 July 2021 at 17:05:21 UTC-7 EricP wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Had been contemplating putting bigger tires on the Hillborne, but 
>>>>> wasn't sure what would fit. After doing some research, realized that it 
>>>>> would take 700x45c without a problem. So then started looking. Well, it 
>>>>> turns out my Clem Smith Jr. was shipped with a set of 700x45c tires. Did 
>>>>> the swap. While not a huge fan of them on the Clem, they are more than 
>>>>> adequate for the Hillborne. Also swapped the bars to Soma Oxford and put 
>>>>> the sneaker pedals back on. Still a bit of tweaking to do (lower saddle, 
>>>>> lower stem and less downward tilt to the bars). Oh, and for good measure 
>>>>> put the Nitto front rack back on along with the Sackville bag.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Overall things seem to work. A 10 mile ride showed there weren't any 
>>>>> things that seemed totally out of place. Well see how long this setup 
>>>>> lasts. (Probably until Billie or Tosco bars are back in stock).
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Platt
>>>>> St. Paul, MN 
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Sam Hillborne 7 7 21.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Sometimes the answer is right there

[EricP]

Thanks! Hmm. That gives me some other tire ideas. What else are folks using 
for 700x45c tires? Don't have a lot of options near me, so what to see what 
others are using.

Also, Abe, what are those brake pad holders? Looks like larger mountain 
bike one on the Tektro 559.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 5:42:31 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> I run RH Snoqualmie Pass (700c x 44) that really run closer to 41mm.  Fit 
> fine without fenders.  I tried running a set of Oracle Ridge (700c x 47).  
> They fit, but it was hard getting them past the brake calipers (even with 
> the cable fully slack).
>
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 3:14:02 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Maybe I'm just happy to see a similar Sam (double TT!), but I can also 
>> confirm that my Schwalbe G-One Allround tires fit at 700x45 - even with the 
>> little knobbies on the Allround tire. I wouldn't go bigger than that 
>> really, maybe 47 or 48mm slick tires would fit well enough but leave very 
>> little space between the rubber and the paint.
>>  [image: IMG_5677.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_4510a.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_4451.jpg][image: IMG_4453.jpg]
>> Take care,
>> Abe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 July 2021 at 17:05:21 UTC-7 EricP wrote:
>>
>>> Had been contemplating putting bigger tires on the Hillborne, but wasn't 
>>> sure what would fit. After doing some research, realized that it would take 
>>> 700x45c without a problem. So then started looking. Well, it turns out my 
>>> Clem Smith Jr. was shipped with a set of 700x45c tires. Did the swap. While 
>>> not a huge fan of them on the Clem, they are more than adequate for the 
>>> Hillborne. Also swapped the bars to Soma Oxford and put the sneaker pedals 
>>> back on. Still a bit of tweaking to do (lower saddle, lower stem and less 
>>> downward tilt to the bars). Oh, and for good measure put the Nitto front 
>>> rack back on along with the Sackville bag.  
>>>
>>> Overall things seem to work. A 10 mile ride showed there weren't any 
>>> things that seemed totally out of place. Well see how long this setup 
>>> lasts. (Probably until Billie or Tosco bars are back in stock).
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN 
>>>
>>> [image: Sam Hillborne 7 7 21.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone still using the original mustard color MUSA pants and shorts

[EricP]

Yup. Still my go to when it gets hot around here. Also have some of the 
grey and black. Not sure I have the Boosucker anymore. Pretty sure mine 
wore out.


On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 6:45:12 AM UTC-5 Fullylugged wrote:

> yes.  I have 2 pair of the pants (1st and 2nd generation) along with the 
> later blue ones.  I also still wear the shorts. Yesterday, I wore Boosucker 
> MUSA shorts on the 6:00 AM club ride.  Anyone remember those?
>
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 4:02:48 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> I still have 2 of each I still use, pretty indestructible.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Beginners SLR camera?

[EricP]

I agree, that's a good article. Will mostly parrot the others here. Started 
with a Pentax K1000 and ended up with a Nikon FM before going down the 
Leica hole. 

FWIW, my suggestion would be look for a Nikon FM10 with a 50mm 1.8 series E 
lens. Inexpensive (the body is mostly plastic) but gives quality Nikon 
photos. It's also lighter than earlier metal body cameras. Now, if you 
might be dropping it, then get a metal body. But if you're careful, I don't 
see why that wouldn't work. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 8:34:17 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> This article may be helpful. From Blue Moon Camera’s blog in Portland, OR. 
>  
>
>
> https://bluemooncameracodex.com/technical-reviews/2018/5/17/beginner-35mm-slrs
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 1:30:46 PM UTC-7 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 7:34:40 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, all; I am entirely camera-ignorant, since I gave up 
>>> photography about age 11 1/2 after starting to experiment with my 
>>> mother's Brownie at about age 11 1/4. (You can verify this by the 
>>> quality of my photos onlist.) 
>>>
>>> The Olympus OM-1, Canon AE-1, and Pentax K1000 seem to be favorites. 
>>> All these have built-in light meters, no? And they seem to come up on 
>>> Amazon for =/< $200. 
>>>
>>> Upshot: I can't go wrong with any of these 3? 
>>>
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> All the cameras you've listed and others have suggested are all good 
>> choices. However, there are other equally important considerations, because 
>> you can't take images with just a camera body alone. You also need lenses, 
>> and other accessories (e.g., TTL flash). Particularly with lenses, you may 
>> see one or two particular types that are more prevalent, and cheaper, so 
>> that would be the other considerations. If you get hooked, there are also 
>> particular lenses with a distinctive "look"; I mean, there are enthusiasts 
>> who will pay quite a nice premium for lenses with good "bokeh".
>>
>> A 50mm/f1.4 is a nice start, but as the photographer progress in skill 
>> and style, you may need a 105mm/f2.5, or 35mm/f2. Or perhaps a macro for 
>> extreme closeups, and a PC lens for the folks who like architecture. Again, 
>> you want to make sure you can find the lens you want at good prices.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Regrets

[EricP]

Well, I haven't been through the number of bicycles like I have musical 
instruments, so there is not as much regret here. Possibly the one I think 
about the most was an early Salsa Fargo.  Was the bike I did my first 
century on and also my only 100 mile gravel road race (where I was the 
sweep). It could do anything. But in the end I was going away from drop 
bars and wanted something else. 

But now I swing my leg through the Clem (or over the Hillborne) and am 
quite satisfied with what I have.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 7:27:29 PM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:

> For me: 1) An Apollo Gran Tour built with Tange 2 that fit me like a 
> glove. I hadn't considered converting to 650b at the time and passed it on 
> after I decided 28mm tires were too narrow. It was a bike I used for 
> everything when I livedi n Vancouver and am always looking for another in 
> the same size and colour. Good times.
>
> 2) A Kona Explosif. The owner wanted it out of the garage and it was very 
> cheap. Full XT and a segmented rigid fork. It rode very nicely. A work 
> aquaintance who was supporting a large family had mentioned he wanted to 
> improve his fitness and buy a bicycle, so I sold it to him for what I paid 
> for it hoping a nice bike would help him achieve his fitness goal. He did 
> not appreciate what a wonderful bike it was and basically never used it. 
> Never thanked me for helping him was even quite rude to me when I asked him 
> if he was making use of it. 
>
> 3) Giving away my old Sekine. No idea what tubeset it had, but I regularly 
> used to pass people on far nicer bikes on long climbs. It had a bit of 
> magic to it and strangely enough, was a nerd magnet. Many friendly chats 
> with strangers due to that bicycle. The new owner used it somewhat, but 
> never loved it like I did!
>
> But, despite the few regrets I am happy with the current stable. My trusty 
> Marinoni Turismo which took me to the tip of South America, a much abused 
> 1980's Rocky Mountain grocery getter/winter bike and my two rSogns which 
> get used for distance riding. I feel like the two rSogns could be slightly 
> better optimized for fit, but when I finally nail that aspect they'll be 
> close to ideal bicycles.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6 Evan E. wrote:
>
>> Univega Gran Rally circa 1986. I think the official color name was coral 
>> but it was shimmering, pearlescent pink. Chromoly frame, nice and lively, 
>> with diamond cutouts on the lugs. A tad small, so I sold it. But once in a 
>> while, when I hear "When You Were Young" on the radio, it all comes back. 
>> :)  
>>
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[RBW] Re: My First Riv: Clem Smith Jr. L, it's all the way live

[EricP]

Yea for you! These are special bikes, IMO. So far haven't even swung a leg 
over my Hillborne this year. Just enjoying the ride of my Clem. The bar end 
shifters are a change I hadn't even thought about. 

When you get around to changing tires, try the Soma Cazadero that Rivendell 
sells. Seems to me it would be perfect for those trails. They do smooth out 
an already smooth ride. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 6:08:28 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Wonderful!  I hope you have many many happy miles. The magic of the Riv 
> ride, ah.  
>
> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 10:44:22 PM UTC-4 mma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello! Long time Rivendell-liker, first time Riv-enjoyer. Thanks for 
>> letting me participate in the RBW group!
>> After a very short test ride on a mate's Clem L 59cm I knew I had to have 
>> one. Thanks to his Ebay saved search I am now an owner. This is my first 
>> ever Rivendell and I'm beginning to understand why they have such a 
>> dedicated following.
>> I have a second hand Clem L in size 59cm, with what seems to be a 
>> conservatively upgraded build (Velocity Atlas wheelset, barcons). After a 
>> short shakedown ride I was quickly giving the Clem "magic bike" status. I'm 
>> impressed and surprised at how responsive the front end feels, something I 
>> wasn't expecting out of the wheel size and overall length. The bike eats 
>> rough road and rolls like that fat ass boulder from Indiana Jones. It feels 
>> like riding around in an old Buick and you're listening to the intro to 
>> *Lakeside 
>> - It's All the Way Live * over 
>> and over.
>> I'm excited to ride this bike and to make it my own with bags, upgrades, 
>> and whatnot. I'll continue to update in this thread as time passes. Thanks 
>> for looking! pule
>> - Matt
>> [image: 1.jpg][image: 2.jpg][image: 3.jpg][image: 4.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ersed Shift Levers Install

[EricP]

Did similar on the Clem last year. Had a Paul Thumbie for the front and an 
extra Shimano bar end. Ended up having to buy a SunRace rear thumbie for 
the front. 

What I find amazing is we used to do this back in the day. Maybe early 
1990's? Some racers started doing this with the SunTour SC shifters. Then 
others realized the big Shimano XT also worked, but they weren't as good as 
the Dia Compe. FWIW, I remember being told once that this trend is what 
lead to the paddle shifter idea in the first place. Not sure if it's true 
(probably not). But it makes for a good story.

Did have my brake levers reversed at one point, but switched back quickly. 
Didn't like the feel that way. 

(FWIW, got my first outdoor ride today in the 55 degree weather.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 3:11:16 PM UTC-6 Scott Marriott wrote:

>
> I have the (formerly front) Microshift shifter reversed on my MB-1. The 
> problem I've run into is that it doesn't quite clear the grip perfectly 
> (I'm using the Rustine's rubber grips because I'm quite vain.)  The is a 
> small window where the rubber from the grip and the rubber from the shifter 
> rub.  I probably need to move the shifter, but there's really no more 
> forward space on the handlebars. (The older VO Porteur version.)
>
> Still the complete friction shifting is pretty easy to figure out. 
>
> S
>
> Scott M
> Chicago (Hyde Park)
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:18:15 AM UTC-6 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
> wrote:
>
>> Depending on what brake levers you have, you may not have to reverse 
>> them, too. My Paul and Shimano short pull levers don't jut out but my 
>> Sunrace linear pulls do so they kinda get in the way with the Riv-erse 
>> shifter set up. However I was able to scooch the shifters up the bar enough 
>> to clear the jut. 
>>
>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have the same shifters on my Atlantis set up "Riv-ersed" by Rivendell 
>>> and I freaking love it.
>>>
>>> One thing I'd add...there's nothing in the rule book that says you can't 
>>> shift your rear derailer with you left hand. If you wanted to use the 
>>> indexing function of your current right shifter, you absolutely can. I 
>>> bought a single Sunrace right shifter to Riv-up a non-Riv last summer and 
>>> realized after I received it that I had to put it on the left side to get 
>>> it "inboard" style. The bike was a 1x so it was not an issue...I had a new 
>>> shifter cable ready to go, ran it from the left side, and never had a 
>>> problem with it. 
>>>
>>> In fact...I ALMOST asked Riv to run the left shifter to the rear 
>>> derailer and right to front when I ordered it, but I didn't want to seem 
>>> like a weirdo. :) 
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 1:17:10 AM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 No mods needed with these, you just lose the index option on the 
 formerly-right-rear shifter that's now your left front. The nifty thing 
 about this setup is the normally-left-front has a nice ratcheting action 
 like Silvers, which is great for rear shifting. Don't forget to swap the 
 brake levers, too, so the jutting-out part is still opposite of the 
 shifters. 

 On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:53:38 PM UTC-8 christian poppell wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I've got the Microshift 9speed thumb shifters on Albatross bars 
> installed the normal way (outside, top). I'm looking for info on setting 
> them up on the inside like this:
>  
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/06/brifter-bliss-for-swept-back-handlebars.html
>  
> 
>
> Is it just a matter of moving the left to the right and vise versa? I 
> recall some modification needing to be done to the Sunrace shift body, is 
> it the same with the Microshift?
>
> These are the levers I've got: 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/microshift-thumb-shifters-9-speed-sl-t09
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>


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Re: [RBW] Clem saddle?

[EricP]

This is why everyone is different. Am enjoying the stock Clem saddle. Now, 
when I get back on it in the spring after the snow melts, might feel 
different. It was good on rides up to 25 miles. The main limitation was my 
behind. And the loop is good for the Sackville bags. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN 

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 7:35:30 AM UTC-6 wesley.a...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've got a Clem saddle I'd be happy to send your way for the cost of 
> shipping. 
>
> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 5:32:36 PM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Wow, I’m surprised anyone wants one of those. That saddle came on the 
>> Clem I had, but I only made it a few hundred yards before I turned around 
>> to put a different saddle on. It was that immediately painful. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 24, 2020, jeffbog...@hotmail.com <
>> jeffbog...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone know what kind of saddle was included in the original Clem 
>>> complete? (the grey vinyl one) 
>>>
>>> I'd like to get one for my sister to put on her new Cheviot. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jeff
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. H 59cm

[EricP]

Very nice build. This kind of build reminds me of why Grant, et.al, look at 
the Clem as the modern version of the old Stumpjumpers and other early west 
coast style mountain bikes with the long chainstays. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 4:49:53 PM UTC-6 Jordan Dean wrote:

> [image: LapRoeQVSVWHA9Pgb3PWiA.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Racks/fenders, an aesthetics question

[EricP]

Used to be very much in the camp of fenders with rack. Even if the bike 
didn't really want fenders (i.e. Surly Ogre). That changed this summer. Was 
tired of always having to adjust the rear fender on the Hillborne with new 
tires and having problems with the long reach sidepull brake on the front. 
Also in the last couple of years just realized I rarely ride in the rain 
anymore. So, off came the fenders on the Hillborne. Definitely looks 
different and can now run slightly larger tires, which was the other goal.

The Clem does not have fenders and no intention of installing them. Am 
hoping to get larger tires also, and it's just too much trouble to get 
everything dialed in to the point I want. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:56:47 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indeed I forgot about the v-brake situation, which would be a challenge 
> with these big tires and the fenders they require. Question answered! I 
> have the bag now (thanks Leah!) and the rack on the way (thanks Jamison!) 
> so they're going on and then I'll ride a while and probably decide it's 
> fine just like that. Or change my mind and buy fancy fenders. Could go 
> either way 
>
> Joe "this, but on the other hand that" Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 12:45:39 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Brake clearance is a good point since you have V-brakes. Fenders are a 
>> safety feature for canti's since if your cable snaps the straddle cable 
>> can't drop onto the tire and catch on the knobs.  But they do pose 
>> potential risks as mentioned - stay into the spoke seems unlikely to me, 
>> since they tend to swing outwards if they come un-done, but if a stick 
>> finds its way between the tire and fender you've got a recipe for a bent 
>> fork and trip over the handlebars!  Rare but happens. I'm actually waiting 
>> on some PDW fender stays that have a break-away design for the Bombadil, 
>> since it's the bike this is most likely to occur on. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS - XL Wooly Warm sweaters - paying it forward

[EricP]

The sweaters have been spoken for. Thank you for the interest.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 10:59:12 AM UTC-6 EricP wrote:

> It's what the title says. These are from the original run. A cardigan and 
> a sargent with the nylon patches.  Unfortunately, the goal of losing enough 
> weight for the XL to fit never panned out. Tried them on, then put them in 
> the closet.  Haven't measured them, but I do know the sargent has longish 
> arms. 
>
> Here's how I'd like to move these along - if you are serious about getting 
> both, please let me know. Preferable via direct email. Then, I would like 
> you to donate to your local food shelf. Ideally it would be about $50. But 
> you decide. Let me know you have done this and I will send these to you. 
> You must take both though. I don't want to pack two boxes. 
>
> Jim - if this runs afoul of the list rules, please feel free to delete.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN 
>
>
>
> [image: sargent resized.jpg][image: cardigan resized.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Ringing out 2020, Goals for 2021

[EricP]

Sorry to hear about the health issues. So far, have been lucky and my 
health (other than weight) has been good. It's been one of those years 
though, while my riding time was up to a modest approximately 1000 miles, 
it meant that other things (playing and performing music) took a back seat. 
The last three years were busy enough with music that I barely got 500 
miles a year on the bike. Now the mileage may have been a touch higher. 
There is no computer on the Clem. That might change this winter. It was the 
only bike I rode after getting it, the Hillborne being relegated to the 
hook in the garage until it came inside.

Am hoping to get more time in on the winter "bike to nowhere", aka the 
Hillborne on a trainer. Finally splurged for a real trainer tire and that 
seems to make a big difference in noise and tolerance. 

Goals for next year include hoping to at least keep up the same amount of 
miles and maybe, just maybe get back to playing with others and performing 
again. The city has been adding to the bike trails the last couple years 
which make things a bit easier to get around. Roads were okay before the 
paths, but not so much during the construction. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 12:31:05 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Sorry to hear about these health issues, and I don't take for granted that 
> I had a pretty healthy 2020 which allowed me to put in about twice the 
> annual mileage I normally do (5000km). I tracked my riding quite 
> meticulously this year for this goal, and my 2021 goal is actually to not 
> worry so much about keeping track; just getting rides in when I can.  I am 
> working from home currently but when commuting again, I have a goal of 
> riding as much as possible vs. driving (it's 16km / 10 mi each way, and 
> pretty hilly to boot). 
>
> Another goal of mine is to buck the trend of the past two years of 
> spending so much on bikes! Time to enjoy what I have and try to save some 
> money for a change. 

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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[EricP]

Patrick,

Thanks for the suggestion. Will look into that. Yes, it needs to be either 
an undersized post, or an oversized person on top for slippage to happen. 
Still haven't totally settled on the final saddle choice for the Clem, but 
for now am just going to keep using the factory stock model. Works for me 
on rides up to 20 miles so far. Once decided, might use the Locktite 
solution. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 1:43:11 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Eric: FWIW: I'm not very heavy, but I have experienced seatpost slippage 
> with undersized seatposts, and I've cured them with 2 proprietary 
> near-liquids: blue Loctite in the case of a Syncros ti seatpost, and that 
> gel with roughish bits in it meant to be used with CF seatposts, this for 
> the current (silver) Dura Ace 74?? on my recent Matthews, and the cheap 
> (anodized) OEM on the current Monocog. I hear that Loctite even makes a 
> solution meant for preventing slippage that's not the blue.
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 6:42 AM EricP  wrote:
>
>> Well, if it needs to be said (and it doesn't) I'm also not overly happy 
>> about the larger Clem using a 29.8 seatpost size. But in this case it's 
>> purely personal. Wanted a Thomson setback post in black for the bike and 
>> that is one size they only do straight. Ended up finding a used Uno in 
>> black on eBay. It does work, but it's not as nice as the Thomson.
>>
>> Oh, and for those who wonder why do this? I'm fat and have found over the 
>> years that most anodized seatposts seem to slip less than regular silver 
>> versions. I also automatically replaced the stock bolt and nylock nut with 
>> a different bolt and regular nut so I can torque the lug tighter. Still 
>> doesn't totally stop slipping. But does slow it down to a reasonable level.
>>
>
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>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[EricP]

This has also been a problem for me. While I now carry a mask when riding, 
it has not been easy to transition myself to wearing one while riding. My 
breathing is heavy enough without. Only because I have a steep (for me) 
climb right off the bat to go anywhere. Have a buff, but for all the 
reasons listed above, won't wear it. I think the best mask I've tried for 
general use has been my Stormy Kromer model. Plus, they are MUSA. Even they 
don't totally stop fogging when it gets cooler outside and my breathing 
rate increases. 

At least this year, I don't plan to do much real winter riding, so it will 
be less of an issue. Although the longer we go without snow on the ground, 
the more I can ride. We'll see what I end up doing.

FWIW, I do not ride with others and try to avoid getting too close (under 
10-12') from others while out riding. Doesn't always happen (passing folks 
on trails). And for those reasons I know I have to start masking.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:58:37 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I wish I'd seen this earlier; more effective than the Buff (as remedy with 
> the Buff, I'll control my sneezing) and cheaper.
>
> Might spot-glue or thread-tack a layer of cotton inside the Buff.
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM Surlyprof  wrote:
>
>> I probably read the same article Philip did.  The synthetic gaiters and 
>> single-layer gaiters pose the problem that Philip mentioned (micro 
>> dispersing sneezes).  I did a little more research and everyone points to 
>> double layered cotton as the best protection.  That prompted a search for 
>> double layered, cotton gaiters for riding and I was thrilled to find that 
>> Carhartt 
>> seemed to excel in this area 
>> .
>>   
>> Not only is it 95% cotton (5% spandex) outside, it's double layer with 100% 
>> cotton on the inside.  It also has the added bonus of a filter pocket!  I 
>> bought two.  This didn't solve the fogging problem but we figured out a 
>> hack that helps.  You could buy something like this 
>> 
>>  
>> but I don't think they'd stay on.  Instead, I've been adding wires to our 
>> face masks.  We bought a spool of 16 gauge stainless wire (for hanging 
>> picture frames) and cut lengths of it, dip the ends in epoxy (to create 
>> soft droplet-like ends).  We can then open a couple of stitches in the edge 
>> seam, slide a wire in and stitch both ends of the wire to keep in place.  
>> That has provided a bendable, machine-washable nose bridge at very little 
>> cost and a little DIY effort.  The only issue I have with the Carhartt 
>> gaiter is that it is one size fits all and, in Carhartt land, people are 
>> big.  The nose bridge helped snug it up and we washed an dried it to shrink 
>> it a little.  May still need to take it in a little.
>>
>> John
>> Niles, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 12:29:29 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I tried bandanas. Perhaps I'm just fussy, but I had a hard time keeping 
>>> them from slipping down. 
>>>
>>> In the event, I ordered a Buff synthetic gaiter on the recommendation of 
>>> someone onlist. Buff has a bewildering plenty of colors and patterns, and I 
>>> fretted about choosing one that will go with all of my outfits. (And that 
>>> doesn't make me look fat.) But I decided, what the hell, let's get one that 
>>> doesn't go with anything, so ordered bright orange. (Well, it will go with 
>>> the bright orange bar tape on my Matthews Road Bike For Dirt. 
>>>
>>> I read the CDC stricture against fleece, but didn't see them frowning 
>>> and shaking their fingers at synthetics knits like the Buffs.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 11:17 PM Philip Williamson <
>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I do the bandanna - Rivendell sells densely woven ones. I have some 
 looser-woven Chinese ones from Etsy I try not to wear in grocery stores, 
 but I feel okay wearing them to ride. Bandannas work great; easy up, easy 
 down, but they do fog my glasses now that the weather is colder. Maybe I 
 should switch to contacts for the winter. 
 I bought a merino buff at the beginning of Teh Covidz, but it was too 
 hot to wear, and I saw a study that showed they’ll actually micro-disperse 
 a sneeze, instead of damping it. Oops.

 Philip
 Santa Rosa, CA

 On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 8:23:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Chris. Two new possibilities. 

[RBW] Re: Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[EricP]

Such a great story and bike. So happy that things are just as you hoped. 
Been fun following this on Instagram and Facebook. May you get tons of 
enjoyment out of the new bike.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:52:49 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote:

> Oh, so beautiful—raspberry in the sunlight, raspberry/cranberry  in the 
> moonlight. 
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 11:14:32 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 6B8356C6-6B0A-4D84-8E77-DC9653BE0FB5.jpeg]What a day. The shop 
>> called with an assortment of issues they are having in getting the polished 
>> look they imagined. Thankfully, none of those things will keep the bike in 
>> the shop. I picked it up today! There it was, amongst the full suspension 
>> mountain bikes and the bros who were working on them. But I did not need to 
>> feel sheepish - those guys raved about my unfortunately named Platypus. “We 
>> all watched when it got taken out of the box,” Adam said, “And we were so 
>> impressed.” I think for folks who never do dyno or rendering, they did a 
>> nice job. I broke them in with my Clem’s dyno this summer, and they 
>> remembered. I am glad the most intense parts of building my bikes are over 
>> for them; I know they put a lot of time into these jobs and there was a 
>> learning curve for them. 
>>
>> Their issues were these:
>> 1. Too much dyno wire. It is looped and tucked away by the kickstand 
>> plate for now, but one guy is comfortable cutting/soldering the wire and 
>> could do it in the future, by appointment.
>>
>> 2. The mechanic mashed the “head tube collar” (did I say it right?) with 
>> his rather old wrench and has ordered a new one to replace it, free of 
>> charge.
>>
>> 3. My NItto Big Rear Rack, size medium will NOT fit on this bike. I’ll 
>> call Rivendell and ask about the large. Such a shame; that was one of the 
>> parts I saved from my Betty Foy.
>>  
>> My issues are these:
>> 1. My teal and rose anodized valve stems and caps are in transit from 
>> Analog, so I will need the shop to install them when they arrive. (My tires 
>> are tubeless, so the tape will be disturbed. I’m not attempting that 
>> myself!)
>>
>> 2. I forgot to explain about the Microshift thumbies. The shop set them 
>> up right and I wanted them set up wrong. If you don’t know what I mean, 
>> Rivendell switches the Microshift thumbies around for a completely 
>> ergonomic experience. I’d have never known about it but Lovely Bicycle 
>> discovered it on her black Clementine. So, I got home, noticed they are all 
>> wrong and therefore cannot set up my bars yet. No mirror, bell, iPhone 
>> mount, NOTHING. A real handicap.
>>
>> 3. There is an intermittent rattle coming from somewhere near the front 
>> wheel. I dread explaining it to them but I can’t live with it, so I hope 
>> they find it.
>>
>> I bought the frame and parts from Rivendell and the wheelset, fenders, 
>> dyno lighting and pedals from Analog. Everyone did a lovely job. The build 
>> from Rivendell was pretty standard. I stayed with my favorite aluminum 
>> Bosco bars and got white Ergon grips for them. Analog did a lot of fun 
>> things with color for the bike; we decided on teal and rose for my 
>> raspberry frame. For wheels, we initially chose Velocity Quill rims with 
>> rose anodizing. Unfortunately, Velocity was so backordered that my 
>> September order would not arrive until middle of December. So, I went with 
>> polished silver. That took a big piece of our rose out of the frame, which 
>> was unfortunate. We still incorporated it in our Edelux light, bottle cage 
>> bolts and caps for the valve stems. We anodized the Spank Oozy pedals in 
>> teal (and don’t those wide pedals look like Platypus feet?), as well as the 
>> headset spacers. Spoke nipples and valve stems. We kept the hubs silver and 
>> I even splurged for the SON dyno hub. I ordered a Spurcycle bell, a custom 
>> color Randi Jo bag (not here yet) and a grey grid Banana Sax. I think that 
>> about covers it!
>>
>> I took the bike for an 11 mile ride tonight, up and down Killer Hill. 
>> This bicycle is a completely different animal (ha! Platypus puns!). It’s 
>> nothing like my Clementine, even though it has the same 52 Bosco bars and 
>> Ergon grips. Mounting a Platypus is like climbing into your SUV when you’ve 
>> been used to your minivan. Those 700c wheels sit you up nice and tall, and 
>> the bike is shorter in length than the Clementine, more compact. I find 
>> the Platypus to be agile; I never try a sharp turn on my Clem; it would be 
>> akin to trying to turn a long boat sharply. 
>>
>> After only 11 miles I can only offer my impressions, but I may not hold 
>> to them once I get more miles under my wheels.
>>
>> The Platypus is just easy. It climbs really nicely, accelerates easily 
>> and is just the fanciest darn bike I’ve ever seen. But it isn’t a doily. 
>> You’ll be amused to know the first thing I did was kick the top tube with 
>> my boot heel 

Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[EricP]

Well, if it needs to be said (and it doesn't) I'm also not overly happy 
about the larger Clem using a 29.8 seatpost size. But in this case it's 
purely personal. Wanted a Thomson setback post in black for the bike and 
that is one size they only do straight. Ended up finding a used Uno in 
black on eBay. It does work, but it's not as nice as the Thomson.

Oh, and for those who wonder why do this? I'm fat and have found over the 
years that most anodized seatposts seem to slip less than regular silver 
versions. I also automatically replaced the stock bolt and nylock nut with 
a different bolt and regular nut so I can torque the lug tighter. Still 
doesn't totally stop slipping. But does slow it down to a reasonable level.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 1:48:23 PM UTC-6 Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> I thought the MIT Homers use a 27.2 seatpost. I could be wrong - the 
> description doesn’t say, as far as I can tell.
> Eamon
> Seattle  
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:30:35 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> And you could discuss that bike on the SOB* list!
>>
>> *Surly Owners Bunch
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:17:23 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>>
>>> I think I'll buy a Surly Bridge Club frameset and save myself $3400 vs a 
>>> custom.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:22:34 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 A custom would certainly do the trick. Mine was built to a spec similar 
 to if you put the toptube lower on an Appaloosa, and it uses a 27.2 post. 
 Solved! 

 On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:07:17 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> I think you mean get a section of 26.8 tubing. Yes, I suggested a 
> custom based on his favorite seat post. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:59:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I would not recommend milling the inside of the seat tube. You'd be 
>> weakening the structure of the frame and the milling would be difficult 
>> and 
>> more expense than it's worth.
>>
>> Instead, find a local fabricator and request the following:
>>
>> 1: Get a section of 27.2mm tubing and cut it to length (300mm or 
>> thereabouts)
>> 2: Cut the tube from the seatpost you want
>> 3: TIG-weld the 27.2mm tubing to the base of your seatpost
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 27, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Mark Roland  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, as I said above, I'm not an expert in suspension posts, so I 
>> haven't seen the testing labeling one or another brand far superior, one 
>> that many people love, and therefore rendering my point into a straw 
>> man. 
>> In 50 years of riding, with clubs, for transportation, being involved in 
>> many ways, I've never ridden with someone who purposely rode with a 
>> suspension post. Caveat--I am not a mountain biker so don't have a lot 
>> of 
>> experience in that world, though I understand there the whole bike is 
>> usually suspended. The ones I've come across in the wild were on 
>> hybrids, 
>> cheap mtbs, (now extinct ?) "comfort" bikes, and tandem stoker posts.
>> I guess my point was more if you really want a certain Riv model, you 
>> can probably find a way to get a seat post that will work for you. Maybe 
>> you could get .2mm milled off the post and .2 reamed out of the seat 
>> tube. 
>> Or just be thankful the Hillborne takes a 27.2 and call it a blessed day.
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 1:58:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>>
>>> We're basically just bickering at this point but I can't help 
>>> myself... the suspension posts posted on eBay above are all awful 
>>> compared 
>>> to the market leading suspension posts from Cane Creek and the like. 
>>> They're not even really the same thing from a functionality 
>>> perspective. 
>>> Linking to them is a total straw man. 
>>>
>>> Cane Creek's design has been around for 20+ years, and is a well 
>>> proven, tunable, and serviceable technology. Lots and lots of people 
>>> love 
>>> them and I suspect that's what OP was hoping to use.
>>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 09:52:58 UTC-8 bfd...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My bad, the Op did ask about suspension posts. Someone else asked 
 about dropper post. Still, it does make you wonder what Grant is 
 thinking 
 going to a 26.8mm seatpost on his frames?! 

 Good Luck!

 On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:53:01 AM UTC-8 Brewster Fong 
 wrote:

> The question I have is are these "suspension" post that you refer 
> to the same a dropper post that he OP is seeking?!  The dropper post 
> is the 
> latest thing for gravel/mtbs as it allows you to adjust the saddle 
> height 
> with the press of a button. These posts 

Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne vintage

[EricP]

Yes, I believe it was first green, then orange, solid color. Had a green 
one. It's possible they were both available for a while. Then it was the 
blue with white/cream headtube option. Still sidepull brakes. And double 
top tubes on the big sizes. That's the model I still have. Believe the next 
batch after that went to canti. Really wish I had waited for that version. 
But of course had no idea it was in the works. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 8:08:09 PM UTC-6 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> Your Sam is from batch of orange when the head tube was not cream. It was 
> the second color since Sams first came out.
>
> And your Sam’s vintage is excellent. I used to have one until I replaced 
> it with a newer Sam frame!
>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2020, at 5:32 AM, Randall Rupp  wrote:
>
> I have a Sam Hillborne that I got through this list sometime 2012, it's 
> orange with side pull brakes, but the headtube is not filled in with the 
> cream color like all the other one's I've seen.  It's just orange like the 
> rest of the bike.  Was that a one batch mistake or were the early ones 
> produced that way?
>
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[RBW] Re: Do you leave it alone...or must you monkey?

[EricP]

Gotta do something to make it "mine". On the Clem have swapped the 
seatpost, binder bolt, nut and rear shifter. The first two because of my 
weight. The latter because I wanted to try the inside bar "reverse" shifter 
idea that's been mentioned over the last couple years. Had a spare front 
Shimano bar con and a Paul Thumbie. Easy to do as I have a stand and 
numerous tools. And if that doesn't work out, have a 9 speed thumb shifter 
sitting on a shelf in the garage. 

The only bike from Rivendell that didn't get changed was the SimpleOne. 
Well, now that I typed that, pretty sure the freewheel got changed to a 
dual gear and two different gears on the other side (no fixed). 

The current Hillborne has had a couple of wheel swaps, different cranks, 
numerous bars. It's also the bike I've owned the longest. And was purchased 
as a frame/fork. 

FWIW, do the same with instruments. All my acoustic guitars and mandolins 
(save one) have had strap buttons installed and or other little changes. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 3:09:03 PM UTC-5 Scott G. wrote:

> Engineers speak of "creeping elegance", in bike terms, if you are ever 
> foolish 
> enough to buy a built bike.  A Pukka Bob, will have replaced 87% of parts 
> within
> 16 months of purchase.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 3:35:59 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> I bought my Atlantis in 2003 & had Rivendell set it up in their standard 
>> touring spec.  It met my needs for tours but inevitably I just HAD to mess 
>> with it.  It's just too tempting.  Since then, I've changed brakes a couple 
>> of times, gone from drops to upright bars, smaller chainrings, wider range 
>> cassette, wider tires (in those days 35 mm was wide), and probably a few 
>> other things I've forgotten.  
>>
>> Heck yea, tinkering, eh, improving is half the fun.  One of the bearties 
>> of Rivendells is that they are so versatile you can change the bike as your 
>> needs change.  Don't be shy.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 5:50:51 AM UTC-7, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>>
>>> As I wait for my first Rivendell (sort of) patiently, I can't help but 
>>> prowl their website and this group and stare at components and accessories 
>>> that I think I'd like to try. But...the only bike I've ever monkeyed with 
>>> is my current one that came with a fantastic Shimano RD...and that's about 
>>> it as far as solid components go. So I'm always playing with the idea of 
>>> getting a different crank, different brakes, different this or that. 
>>>
>>> My question (finally) is this - of those of you who have done an a la 
>>> carte build through Rivendell, who just leaves everything they picked out 
>>> and who is constantly trying different components? 
>>>
>>> I didn't spring for any Paul components or a set of Rich's wheels, but 
>>> everything that's coming on this bike is nicer than I need it to be...so 
>>> the plan is to never change anything except bar tape. But...there is a lot 
>>> of buying and selling of components here and elswhere.
>>>
>>> So yeah...do you tinker with a Riv build, or do you let it be? 
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[EricP]

Very nice. Here's the new Clem in front of the St. Paul, MN Seventh Street 
Improvement Arches. (A National Historic Civil Engineering Landmark). The 
more I ride this bike, the more fun I'm having. Getting closer to having it 
dialed in and decked out. Not happy with the bell though. Sticks up too 
much. And the seatpost was slightly slipping, so it's been replaced with a 
black Kalloy Uno. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 5:44:00 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> Pic from today's ride after playing with special effects.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
>
> [image: Image]
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L arrived, couple of thoughts and questions

[EricP]

Jim,

Cool. Mine is due on Monday in St. Paul. Am really getting excited about 
it. Saw one near our place back in June. Smaller frame. Just love the look 
of the bike. And that's not easy for me anymore. Have all the parts needed 
to get riding. Even though I have Big Bens waiting, might give the stock 
tires a try first. And yes, it follows that since I have a new bike due, 
the weather forecast is for rain.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 12:12:03 PM UTC-5 Jingy wrote:

> Mine is supposed to show up tomorrow. I'm super antsy for it!
> Jim in Mpls
>
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:30:38 AM UTC-5, Kurt Henry wrote:
>>
>> I asked a while back about a small bike suggestion for my son's mom, 
>> followed by a WTB for a 45cm Clem-L.  No leads turned up, so I got in line 
>> for the presale.  And it finally showed up today!
>>
>> We went with the green, which I had read was a very interesting color 
>> that doesn't photograph well.  I'll second (third?  fourth?) that comment.  
>> Such a cool bronzey-browney-green that seems to change color in different 
>> light.  I got it put together and took it for a short spin to make sure the 
>> shifting and braking were all set before I handed it over.  Shifting was 
>> great and the braking was as well once I cleared a minor hurdle: the front 
>> brake cable was fine for length, but was routed behind the fork.  I thought 
>> maybe I'd managed to loop it under the fork leg when I got the bars out.  
>> But for the life of me I couldn't get it looped back around.  No big deal, 
>> loosen clamp, move cable to correct side, reattach, and ready to roll.
>>
>> The bike is definitely too small for me at almost 5'10". On the road it 
>> was very smooth and well behaved.  The steering was really light, but 
>> that's probably not helped by the extended seatpost and slack seat tube 
>> pushing me back out toward the back.  I did take it through some gravel at 
>> the park behind our house before looping around.  Slow speed in the gravel 
>> was really dicey and twitchy.  I was about to hop off to avoid taking a 
>> spill and scratching it before she got to ride it it.  Not at all what I 
>> was expecting!  But back out on the road, it was a very nice ride.
>>
>> After the quick shakedown, the key item of the day was dropping the seat 
>> back down to Jenni's height and letting her take it for a spin.  She LOVED 
>> it!!  So, end of the day, mission accomplished.
>>
>> Now, a couple of questions.  Just when I think I've been around the block 
>> a few times around bikes, this one has a few braze-ons I did not expect.  
>> There are tabs on the front of the seat stays, going straight into the stay 
>> (vs. hourglasses).  What are those for?  And the rear dropouts have more 
>> eyelets than I can imagine a use for.  I can see the ones part way up the 
>> seatstays as intended for a rack, to stay out of the way of fenders (or 
>> perhaps I have that backwards).  But what are the extra eyelets behind the 
>> rear dropout intended for?
>>
>> Finally, who builds the wheels for the production bikes?  I'm assuming 
>> they're machine built to hit the price point.  But I was surprised to find 
>> a rainbow of colors for the nipples.  Totally unexpected, and a very nice 
>> surprise!
>>
>> Thanks all!
>> Kurt Henry
>> Lancaster, Pennsylvania USA
>>
>> P.S. Yes, I know, the bike is turned the wrong way, should be drive 
>> side.  I was about to set the kickstand on the downhill side (toward me), 
>> realized it was too steep, so let it rest the other way against Jenni's 
>> jeep for a quick picture.  Had to get inside and get dinner going!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[EricP]

Isn't the correct response "Pay attention 007?"

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 8/10/20 11:37 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
> I was riding my Quickbeam yesterday, and it dawned on me that the seat 
> tube decal might lead some to an incorrect conclusion: 
>
>
> So, just to be clear: I am NOT a follower of “Q” or “Q Anon” or any of 
> those related conspiracy theories.
>
> Thanks. Just had to get that off my chest.
>
>
> Isn't that exactly what you would say if you were "Q" himself?
>
>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Earl Craig's Atlantis on the Blug

[EricP]

Well, I'm definitely heavy enough where the second top tube on my Sam Hillborne 
should make a difference. Does it? I dunno. But after this many years am used 
to it. Always felt it was as much marketing to be different than Surly, All 
City and some other brands. It does ride well and has been my only bike for a 
bit. At least until my Clem shows up. 

My only complaint with this bike is the brakes. If I had known they were going 
to cantilever frames might have waited. Even with good pads set up well, not 
overly happy with the side pulls. But that's my preference, not a slam against 
the design. 


Eric Platt 
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Anybody regret their Cheviot sweater?

[EricP]

I have both a "Sargent" and regular button up sweater in XL that I don't 
wear. If anyone is interested, make me an offer and we can work out a deal. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 9:11:52 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I saw that Rivendell offered a sweater vest recently, but as someone with 
> unusually long arms, I regretted not buying one of the sleeved variety last 
> year.  I have such a hard time finding long enough sleeves that I never 
> expected the Riv sweater to fit. 
>
> What did people think of them?  Does anyone regret their purchase?
>
> Does anyone have an XL available?  I might also consider a L.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt B
> Oswego, IL
>
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[RBW] Re: Racing Klunkers on Repack Road

[EricP]

Wasn't riding banned there for a long time? Seem to remember that 
happening. Hard to remember being half a country away.

Thanks for sharing the video. Watched it when Charlie Kelly first pointed 
it out. Those people really had no fear. Even when younger never could do 
something like that.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 11:14:27 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 8:33:59 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> Next Rivmoot we should time-trial Clems down Repack.
>>
>>
>> See if you can beat Gary Fisher's time. Amazing that it's still a record 
> given the "advances" in mountain bikes, though it also speaks to what a 
> fantastically skilled rider he was.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
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Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Bear Trap Pedals?

[EricP]

Yes. My wife has a nice scar on the back of one calf from the Suntour 
version. 

And with the DX pedals, I do believe they were available earlier, but only 
with 1/2" spindles for BMX. Those are still my reference for best early 
pedal. (Note, I never tried the Cook Bros.bear traps which had serious 
sharp points and which preceded all the others from what I can remember. 
California mountain bike experts will hopefully correct me on this. Was 
late to the party only getting my first mtn bike in 1984.)

Looks like Rivendell is already sold out. Hopefully they get more. Might 
get a set just for nostalgia sake.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> The bear traps are basically considered the first "mountain bike" pedals 
> and they were basically IT until Shimano came out with their DX platform 
> pedals. 
> I think most people love Bear traps until you've had them dig into the 
> back of your calf a couple times. Also the rounded part on the end tends to 
> get bashed in fairly easily. 
> It's a nice bit of nostalgia from people who are probably not old enough 
> to remember them from 1981.

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

[EricP]

Another vote for the Sony RX100. Even though I have a mirrorless camera, 
more times than not I grab the Sony. It just works for me. The one big 
downside is the small form can get slippery. Added a grip to mine. In 
general will keep it on automatic and just use it without further thought. 
Mine is the first generation. The newer ones have more features (like 
viewfinder) and are more expensive. 

All the other suggestions are also good. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 7:57:14 AM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
> I love Micro four thirds! Get the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. I get so many 
> compliments on my photos from it. Just like Rivendell bikes, on paper, 
> looking at the technical specs only, micro four thirds cameras don’t seem 
> that great. They’re not technically “the best.” But, when you get your 
> hands on one in real life they’re way more fun than you expect. For real 
> life use, they’re just inexplicably more practical than any other option. 
>
> Good call with the Olympus. You’ll like it a lot. 
>
> M

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[EricP]

Maybe it's just my eyes, but with the drop bars, it looks to be a bit of an 
homage to the Charlie Cunningham bicycles of the early mountain bike era. 
But different enough. If that ends up being close to the final design, I 
like it. Even though I'm not looking for anything else. (Except for waiting 
on my Clem L.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:05:42 AM UTC-5, Hetchins52 wrote:
>
> What looks bad to me is the curved top tube of the Gallop joining the seat 
>> tube at a significantly higher point than on the Gus/Susie. It almost 
>> merges with the seat cluster of the Gallop and that detracts from each 
>> element. If you're going to drop the top tube you might as well provide a 
>> little more clearance.
>
>  
>
>> How is it different from the Gus/Susie? Tig welding versus fillet 
>> brazing? That may allow for a major price break. The Gus/Susie family are 
>> now $1800 for a frameset.
>>
>  
>
>> Shorter top tube to allow for drops?
>>
>  
>
>> And, we don't know if there will be 650b and 700c variants in the size 
>> ranges.
>>
>
> David Lipsky
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Next Level Clementine

[EricP]

That's a really cool next level bike. Oh, and I am totally stealing your 
hub shiner on the upper tube of the bike. Was trying to figure out what to 
do with mine. 

The bike has a great color combination. And the wheels are a great 
compliment. Will want to hear your opinions on tubeless. I probably swap 
tires too much to make it worthwhile.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 6:37:11 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's s rad! What impressed/surprised me the most is how clean and 
> classy it still looks with all that color added. I mean I expected it to be 
> great, but for some reason I pictured the wheels being way up front, ya 
> know? Like "Hi I'm a really bright bike!" But it doesn't do that, it's 
> still Leah's 50 Shades of Blue Clementine but with pops of contrasting 
> color here and there. It ties together perfectly into what is honestly one 
> of the nicest bikes I've ever laid eyes on. I'm INTO it!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals

[EricP]

Funny this subject came up now. Yesterday swapped out the MKS sneaker 
pedals on the Hillborne for an old set of VP pedals that have been on and 
off a couple of bikes over the years. Not sure which model. They do need to 
be mounted with an allen wrench and not a regular pedal wrench. They are 
big and wide. The downside to them has been they sometimes stick too well 
to both the Keens I like wearing and my shins. MKS sneakers end up giving 
me a hot foot on the right after about 20 miles. Hoping the extra surface 
area of the VP minimizes this. It's an old problem and one that has gotten 
worse after a knee surgery a few years ago. 

For the upcoming Clem, already have a set of the Clem pedals. Will try 
those first before any others.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, June 4, 2020 at 4:59:14 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I started with bare pedals, added clips without straps, added straps, 
> added slotted cleats, switched to various sorts of clipless, notably 
> Speedplays and KEOs for road, the on a perverse whim went back to clips and 
> straps and very nice, ballet-slipper-like leather Rivats with slotted 
> cleats on my Riv Road fixed gear gofast. I would pull the strap tight 
> enough to keep my foot in place while pulling up and back, but not so tight 
> that they were uncomfortable, and had no problem reaching down to loosen 
> when needed. Of course, I never did 110% sprints, and toe strap buttons 
> helped a great deal in grabbing the strap with a fixed drivetrain. But 
> better even than this, I found a sweet spot for the straps that required no 
> adjustment: Just tight enough to hold your foot in place while torquing 
> hard, but just loose enough to pull your foot up and out, and then stick it 
> down and in, with a bit of a twist to work the toe into the loop and the 
> slot over the pedal cagae. And, the odd thing, I found it considerably 
> easier to get into and out of the RX-1s + Christophe clips + nice laminated 
> straps kept semi-tight, than I did with the damned slippery all-plastic KEO 
> pedals and cleats. I am even today tempted to go back to clips and straps, 
> with slotted cleats for longer rides, and street shoes for errand rides, 
> but SPDs are just too convenient. 76" gear, so I do have to stand and pull 
> hard.
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:05 PM Matthew P  > wrote:  ... In my opinion, if any straps or clips are 
> going to keep your foot completely stuck to the pedal, then you are 
> probably limiting blood flow to the foot, and making it very difficult to 
> get the foot out.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

[EricP]

Maybe Bleriot for me. Or Protovelo. Although having one on order, the name 
Clem Smith Jr. will probably become the favorite. It does have my favorite 
decals and headbadge.

Strange, never have thought about liking or not liking the name Sam 
Hillborne even though that's the bike that's stuck with me the longest. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Hunqapillar is genius, with the wooly mammoth head badge.  I also like the 
> back story about Grant reading it on someone's mailbox.  
>
> Atlantis is a close second (I'm biased, I know), evoking adventure & 
> travel.  It works pretty well for those things.
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> Or, “Let’s Fight About Something On Topic!” 
>>
>> Let’s hear your most and least favorite Rivendell model names. No name 
>> calling, even about the names. 
>>
>> What is your favorite Rivendell model name? Mine is Legolas. It’s real 
>> hard to separate out the bike itself from the name for me. For example, I 
>> don’t like the Sam Hillborn name, but that might be because it sounded like 
>> a downmarket A. Homer Hilsen. On the other hand, I LOVE the name Platypus, 
>> and want one of those bikes no matter what it looks like! 
>>
>> Hunqapillar - how genius is that?! 
>> Wolbis Slugstone, though? My least favorite, in a walk. 
>>
>> I only ask because I found this anonymous poll about Rivendell model 
>> names: https://forms.gle/FEf5TeFkr4fZQdxEA 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Santa Rosa, CA 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Clem Smith Jr. Low

[EricP]

Can't help with much, but Grant appears to be using old Sackville medium bags 
on his bikes. 

As for pedals, I like the MKS sneaker or maybe the inexpensive plastic VP 
pedals. 

Eric Platt 
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

[EricP]

Congrats on the new bike for your dad! (Just posted elsewhere that a 59cm 
will eventually make it's way to me.)

As for platypus - well, unfortunately, that was my elementary school 
nickname when being picked on. Since then have never liked the word. 
Nothing against the animal, or the proposed bike. But the name alone would 
be a no-go. 

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 6:56:10 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Right. Because platypus is so formal and stuffy ;^)
>
> But seriously, a weird culture that lets corporations "own" the rights to 
> the names of things in nature. I mean, does the Platypus Foundation get a 
> cut of sales?
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 4:33:40 PM UTC-4, Max S wrote:
>>
>> Or "plapytus" – I do like the silly sound of it. :-) 
>>
>> - Max "what's in a name?" in A2
>>
>> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 8:56:26 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>> With  Grant's fondness for anagrams, maybe Patyplus? Could spell it 
>>> Patti Pluss on the other side...
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 25, 2020 at 5:32:33 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:


 Platypus bottles are a trademark of Cascade Designs, the company that 
 makes Therma-Rest sleeping pads and who holds a bunch of other trademarks 
 for their brands and products. 

 https://trademarks.justia.com/750/33/platypus-75033060.html

 https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/cascade-designs-inc-199596/

 Searching for the name Playpus lists a whole lotta trademarks. 
 https://trademarks.justia.com/search?q=platypus

 So clearly CD designs doesn't have sole "rights" to use the name 
 Platypus. CD's classification is under "Environmental control apparatus".

 Under "Sporting Goods and Toys" there a fishing tackle brand named 
 Platypus, that's all. 


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[RBW] Slowly reappearing

[EricP]

Just wanted to poke my head up and say "hi" to all the folks on the list 
again. It's been a long time since the last post. A lot of things meant it 
was no longer viable to monitor and contribute to the list. The changes 
over the past few years have been both good and bad. And will just keep it 
at that. 

What made me come back? It was Clem. Jumped in on the latest pre-sale for a 
59. And to make it official, sold my non-Riv steel bike (Surly Ogre). Don't 
worry, still have the 60cm Sam Hillborne for riding. And it's been getting 
miles in this year. Have put more mileage on the past two months than the 
prior two years combined. Why Clem? Been sorely tempted on one ever since 
the first introduction. Life had a way of telling me it wasn't time. Now, 
it's time. 

So for now, it's good to be back and hope to have some pleasant 
conversations with folks on bikes and stuff.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


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[RBW] Re: Green Sam in Grand Marais!

[EricP]

Definitely not mine.  As mine is no longer mine.  Sold it a couple weeks 
ago.  About the time I left this list.  Decided to take the advice I've 
been hearing recently to shut up and practice guitar to heart.
 
Just happen to glance at Google Groups and found this thread.
 
I'll stop bothering folks on this list now.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, September 7, 2012 9:29:57 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 Jim, glad you know all the riv's here!

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Re: [RBW] New route for today's commute

[EricP]

Lovely bike.  And pretty cool commute.  Your bike might be why I ended up 
with a SimpleOne.  Great setup.  If I didn't have way too may bags already, 
might have purchased the SS Large.  Looks to be at least as big as my 
Baggins Hoss.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:49:44 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:

 Thanks, Patrick. 

 Nuthin' but a Sackville Saddlesack Large. 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassl.htm. Around 30 liters. It's a 
 great bag if you've got a rear rack. Very stable, HUGE and very usable 
 capacity. The pockets on the front of the bag are readily accessible while 
 riding. Very useful, and built like a brick shoot house. {nice auto spell} 
 Sent from my iPhone 

  
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[RBW] Re: New build and grease

[EricP]

Another vote for either Park or Phil.  Whichever is easier to get locally.  
I've also used marine wheel bearing grease and that works, too.  Have even 
used white grease in the past.  That was my least favorite as it didn't 
seem to last as long.  And wasn't as waterproof.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:02:02 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:

 Many years ago, on the advice of Uncle Al I bought a tube of blue 
 marine wheel bearing grease (like for boat trailer wheel bearings) at 
 a local hardware store. 
 By tube I mean the big cardboard things you can put in calking guns if 
 you want to. 
 It was very economical and has worked very well. 





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[RBW] Re: First S24O of the Year

[EricP]

Very nice.  Am jealous as I haven't been out on an S24O in over a year.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:34:49 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote:

 Pics and a quick description over on Google Plus: 

 https://plus.google.com/u/0/107423288281080392176/posts/ZVzyLuyY4Du

 I don't think you need to have a google plus account or anything to see 
 the post, but let me know if you do.

 Some notable things -

 1.  Forgot a lighter.  Meant no cooking dinner or breakfast, or coffee. 
  So that was a bummer.  I always bring too much food though, so I just had 
 some sopressata, an apple, some almonds, and some berries for dinner, and 
 some chocolate for dessert.  Wasn't that big of a deal.

 2.  I ate a bug.  Was just after a big climb, I was gassed, had my mouth 
 open while I was cruising and BAM.  Big bug down the gullet.  

 3.  Saw a bunch of monarch butterflies.  A highlight of the ride was when 
 one cruised alongside me for like 8 seconds.  Felt like racing the 
 butterfly.  Good stuff.

 4.  Stopped at a cool little cafe in charlotte vt for breakfast/coffee - 
 Old Brick House (for those of you that know the area).  Ran into a couple 
 of friends who were out with their racer buddies for a ride.  Everyone was 
 checking out the Sam, and had nothing but nice things to say.  Is that 
 English?  Custom?  Where you coming from?  Where you going?  What's up with 
 the second top tube? What a beautiful bike.  Etc.  

 5.  I saw a bald eagle when i was eating my morning berries and larabar. 
  I haven't ever seen one before, it was awesome.  




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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

[EricP]

Have had both racing type cyclists and folks I perceive as hardcore runners 
yell at me.   So it's not just bikes.
 
Mentioned this before, but I discovered Rivendell the day after I 
purchased a Bianchi Volpe at a local racer shop.  Mainly as a treat to 
myself for some weight loss.  Along with the fact that particular shop was 
one I used to dream about buying from.  Especially when they had a touring 
section in the early to mid 1980's.  
 
Am old enough to remember numerous folks riding mountain bikes as touring 
bikes back in those days.  An obscure magazine called Mountain Bike for the 
Adventure promoted the idea.  A very early version of bikepacking.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Monday, May 21, 2012 3:18:27 PM UTC-5, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote:




 I don't think biking is any different than any other sport in that 
 regards. 

 Look around a ski area, the sponsored skiers are usually rather 
 pleasant. The next rung down not so much so. Probably the biggest 
 reason I avoid Snowbird, too many brobrahs

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

[EricP]

All $10 or so bucks?  (I think that's the going rate.  I actually am 
receiving it as a gift from my mother.  There have been a couple of 
semi-interesting articles recently.  At one point, thought they were going 
to focus more on commuting and touring, but appears not.
 
Momentum mag is better, but unless you subscribe or luck out to be near a 
shop that carries it, it's basically impossible to find.
 
Oh, and 20 years ago, while not impossible to ride bike in Minneapolis, it 
was tougher.  Almost no bike paths, no studded tires and freewheels that 
would stop working under zero.
 
Finished my Kindle version of the book yesterday.  Besides my one paper 
copy, might pick up another (or two) to give to friends.  Yes, it's that 
good.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:24:20 AM UTC-5, GeorgeS wrote:

 Wait! Bicycling is NOT the source of all 2-wheel wisdom?  I want my 
 money back. 
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[RBW] Re: Small Sackville Saddlesack issue

[EricP]

On my bag, ended up removing the stiffener to get it to lie down on the 
Nitto R-14 top rack.  Without a rack, it can sag slightly.  Never really 
bothered me, though.  More annoying is how the main buckle seems to bounce 
against everything and continually make noise. Especially any Nitto rack or 
fenders.  To my mind, not as bad as a squeaky chain, but can get irritating 
right quick.
 
But, yeah, a stiff piece of plastic should unsag things.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Monday, May 14, 2012 2:33:55 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 I doubt Grant intended for the bottom to be utterly flat at all times. 
 He often mentions how a bag's capacity can be pushed beyond it's 
 listed numbers when stuffed fully, which he considers a benefit. Not 
 that you have to stick with that concept, I'm just saying the 
 Sackville is probably operating as designed. 

 Joe I really should sell mine since I never use it Bernard 
 Vallejo, CA. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Slipping QR in horizontal drop out help

[EricP]

Hmm.  With it still acting up, am going to join the chorus of the dropouts 
not being aligned.  But even then, can't see why it would slip so bad.  I 
was able to ride a Surly Cross Check with the XT quick release without 
slipping.  Both as a multi geared and single speed.  
 
Only other thing I could think of - the axle could be slightly bent, 
preventing the hub end and quick release face from being parallel.   So the 
ends can't clamp tight, although the dropout may be aligned.  Really, 
highly unlikely (like nearly impossible).  But it's the only other thing 
that comes to mind.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Saturday, May 12, 2012 7:01:51 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 It has horizontal, not rear-facing track ends. I don't know if those tugs 
 will work, but maybe. It says in bold that they're for rear-facing drop 
 outs...

 The name is David, or at least that is what I tell people on the internet. 
 You can see my signature line if you scroll down (included a marvelous 
 quote from Mr. Willard Romney). But surely you know the name of the guy 
 that's been on here and the ibob list with you for the past 10 years and 
 has bought/sold/traded/given away things from/to/with you on several 
 occasions over that decade :-)

 The axle is definitely about 1-2mm behind the drop out. That's the first 
 thing I check, hoping that was the cause and source for a simple fix. No 
 such luck.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Ordered a Hunq today....

[EricP]

Agree with you on that, Jim.  My new SimpleOne is a 60cm, and fits me 
fine.  Although in a perfect world, I'd probably be on a 62, or even 64 at 
6' and 89is pbh.  But here's where it gets strange, both my Surly bikes are 
58 cm and also fit fine.  And both have less seat post showing than the 
SO!  Go figure.  But a larger bike is so much nicer to ride.  Years ago 
(before I started going to Hiawatha) was talked into getting a 56cm Trek 
1200 at a shop.  Now, it was a nice bike, but never could get the thing to 
fit.  Except with a stem extender and bars hiked way up.  Ended up selling 
it to a friend.  
 
Then again, my 56cm Sam Hillborne fits well.  But that was the first run.  
I'd order a 60cm now to get the same fit.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 
 

On Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:40:38 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Obviously, sizing varies from brand to brand, and frame size makes much 
 less difference with threadless steerers (if the steerer is left long 
 enough). So it's not out of line that a 6-footer could optimally ride a 
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Re: [RBW] Re: tektro cr720 installation advice

[EricP]

Have my SimpleOne set up with 720s and my Sam Hillborne with Deore V 
brakes.  I do notice a difference.  The 720s modulate, but they don't stop 
as well, IMO.  At least not quickly.  Had to really plan out a stop at the 
bottom of a descent today.  Eventually will swap pads to see if that 
helps.  If not, maybe new brakes in the future.  
 
Luckily, did not need to strip finish off my brake bosses.  If so, I would 
have just cut a strip of sandpaper and buffed the post like I was shining a 
shoe.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN 
 
 

On Thursday, May 10, 2012 7:01:09 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 I wonder why folks value modulation so highly? In my view, the primary 
 purpose of brakes is to stop effectively, and therefore, the more powerful 
 brake is my usual preference. With v-brakes, scrubbing speed in tight 
 downhill corners or whatever isn't difficult at all to modulate, UNLESS you 
 are accustomed to squeezing the bejeezus out of cantilevers to get the same 
 result, in which case the v-brake will seem to lack modulation. In that 
 case, the brake is hard to modulate because the rider has no finesse on the 
 brake lever. No problem though, because it's easy to learn the necessary 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rationalizing a Reduction; Encourage Me

[EricP]

For keeping the QB as a commuter/beater, would also suggest going to nutted 
hubs.  Not theftproof, but often enough of a deterrent to the 
ne'er-do-wells.  Although it would prevent a dynamo hub.  
 
If deciding to IGH, a Sturmey Archer 3 speed would be the easiest to fit on 
the bike. (As has been discussed on this list numerous times.)
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Sunday, May 6, 2012 1:51:30 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote:

 If you have one of the green qb's, i think that's one of the least 
 flashiest bikes around--particulary if you don't have it too kitted out.  
 with alba bars and a basket it will look like a beater!

  



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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[EricP]

It's a very nice looking bike.  Eventually am going to build up one of my 
bikes with moustache bars and see how they work.  
 
Besides the Supremes, also look at the Marathon Duremes.  Have them on my 
Sam Hillborne and they are nice.  I personally think they roll a bit nicer 
than the Supremes.  
 
And lastly, aren't gifted pumps fun.  The Zefal on my SimpleOne was a gift 
from a friend.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, charlie wrote:

 Actually the fenders are by Planet Bike and came off my old Raleigh. 
 Your suspicions are correct the Longboards are a little longer. I tend 
 to cannibalize other bicycles to build a new one. I think someone gave 
 me the pump too...kind of crazy how that all worked out. 

  
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

[EricP]

He might.  Or it could mean a mythical Rivendell Tall Bike, the Ent (or 
maybe Finglas, if we need a specific Ent).
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Saturday, May 5, 2012 5:51:58 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 19:03 -0700, JB wrote: 
  
  I was riding a 57 at the time I was sized.  I expected to go up to a 
  59 but ended up with a 61 and it's perfect.  They know what they're 
  doing. 


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[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

[EricP]

Will chime in and posit the wider carrier may not work as well with high 
profile brakes. Or at least the 720s.   Limited experiments by me seem to 
indicate the old Dia-Compe narrow carrier might be a bit better.  Am 
probably going to switch over to those on my SimpleOne.  Previously had 
done the swap on my Sam Hillborne, before switching over the V brakes.  And 
noticed better stopping power with the hangers in approximately the same 
position.  It is possible there was a very slight adjustment in height, 
which resulted in the better power, but am not totally convinced.
 
Also, the older brakes usually had narrow carriers, and that may have been 
intentional. 
 
Just some thoughts and guesses on a Saturday morning.  The Tektro hangers 
do look nicer.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 
 
 

On Saturday, May 5, 2012 6:09:38 AM UTC-5, MichaelH wrote:

 It makes set up a PIA.



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[RBW] Re: Rationalizing a Reduction; Encourage Me

[EricP]

Yet another one to suggest keeping the Quickbeam.  While the bike could be 
replaced by a similar bike from, say, Surly, the Rivendell single speeds 
are special.  Then again, having a SimpleOne, I'm biased.
 
And, yes, keep the Atlantis.  As to the rest, I'm terrible at suggestions, 
since I have a tendency to rotate through bikes.  But think it through 
carefully.  Hate to see you sell and then want the bike back in a year or 
two.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Saturday, May 5, 2012 7:03:00 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:

 Me, Im not really much for selling off bikes. I tend to keep em 
 around, so I may not be the one to listen to. 
 But if the Bleriot, Romulus, and Hillbone seem too similar to you, 
 cutting down to just one of the three sounds reasonable. 
 I would suggest dragging your feet and thinking long and hard about 
 selling the Quickbeam. If you haven't done so already, you should put 
 a fixed cog on there (with a lock ring) and give that a try. Riding a 
 fixed gear is definitely different and you might like it. In any case 
 if you part with the Quickbeam and later wish you hadn't you may find 
 replacing it with something you like as well difficult. 




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[RBW] Re: Wide profile canti brake recs

[EricP]

Not just you.  My Paul Neo Retros cause fork shudder on my Surly Cross 
Check.  It's one reason I didn't swap those brakes over to the SimpleOne.  
Although may still swap at a later date.
 
The 720s are fairly good brakes, but they do take some time to set up. Or 
at least that's how I feel about it now after using V brakes on a number of 
builds.  Even last night was raising the straddle cable on the back of 
the SImpleOne to get the 720s to work a touch better.  Was only able to do 
that because swapped the rear rack to a Nitto R-14 and there was more room 
between the stays.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:12:39 PM UTC-5, rw1911 wrote:

 I went from Shimano BR-R550's (which worked fine but had a fairly low, 
 fixed straddle cable) to Paul Neo-Retro front / Touring rear.  the 
 Pauls are a thing of beauty if you appreciate mechanical / machining 
 type stuff and the straddle wire clears my Nitto Mini, but I find them 
 somewhat finicky to dial in.  Maybe it's my amateur mechanic skills, 
 but it's very easy to lockup and skid the rear and the front is so 
 powerful that it flexes the headset hanger and fork to the point that 
 the front wheel shudders under hard braking. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Was your RIV sizing right on?

[EricP]

Will agree with that assessment.  The first run of Sam Hillbornes had a 
slightly longer top tube than later runs.  My 56 fits me very well, but 
there is too much seatpost showing in a perfect world.  I have thrown my 
leg over a 60cm orange Hillborne and it fit perfectly.  So things can and 
do change.
 
My SimpleOne is a 60 and I might have been able to ride a 62 with a 7 or 
8cm stem.  In the past, had also tried a 62 Quickbeam and could barely 
throw a leg over it, and felt totally stretched out trying to reach the 
bars on that bike.
 
That said, I'd trust Rivendell to put me on the correct sized bike if I 
asked. 
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:59:22 PM UTC-5, Esteban wrote:

 I'm sure people here know this, but its worth mentioning that Riv measures 
 center-to-top, rather than center-to-center, which almost everyone else 
 uses.  Sometimes, I think, people might hear that they should be on a 60cm 
 Riv frame, which sounds ridiculous as they've always ridden 55 or 57.  But 
 a 60cm Riv is really a 58 or 58.5cm to everyone else...

 That being said, i think PBH is down to a science for Riv frames and Riv 
 riding.  If I really wanted to hammer, I'd go toward the lower portion of 
 my range.  If I wanted to tour, I'd go in the higher portion.  Top tube 
 really matters, so that measurement plus stem should be in consideration, 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Rally midwest and Grant's visit and other bike stuff to do in Minneapolis at that time

[EricP]

Going to be making the signing and the Rally.  Will be my most extensive 
ride with camping gear.  In fact, changed a few things around in the 
schedule to make sure it would happen.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:25:23 PM UTC-5, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I plan to be there for the book event. I assume you'll have plenty of 
 copies of Grant's book for sale Jim? I don't know about the ride yet. I'm 
 going to try to make some portion of it at least...

 Shaun Meehan



  




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Re: [RBW] Ride video

[EricP]

Agree, looks like a great ride.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:15:46 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 That looks fun!

 On Thursday, May 3, 2012 3:12:15 PM UTC-5, Dave Faller wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

[EricP]

Am going to wait on a hard copy until Grant is in Minneapolis at Hiawatha 
Cyclery on May 31st.  Pre-ordered the Kindle version, but that doesn't come 
out until next Tuesday.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 2:43:18 PM UTC-5, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote:

 In the spirit of the old threads tracking Rivendell Readers, my copy 
 of Just Ride was just dropped off on my doorstep.


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Big Apple vs. Supreme

[EricP]

I've used both.  Like the Supremes better.  But to confuse things more, my 
wife has Big Apple Liteskins on her bike and prefers them over regular BA 
or the Supremes.  And the bike that had Supremes now has Schwalbe Kojaks on 
it and those might be my favorite so far.
 
None are a bad choice. 
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN  
 

On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 5:02:36 PM UTC-5, René wrote:

 The Supremes are also a bit lighter, not that that matters much... :-) I'm 
 now using Duremes (50) on my Huqapillar and I like them very much as well.
  
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[RBW] Re: Question about White Ind Dos Freewheel

[EricP]

Thanks everyone for the thoughts.  Guess for now, am going to keep it as a 
single with low-ish gearing (39/17).  Hoping to eventually increase motor 
capacity to switch to a 16t (which I have sitting in a box).  
 
May eventually try a Dos.  But for now, not going to mess with what isn't 
broken.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 9:47:56 AM UTC-5, Mojo wrote:

 I too just don't shift that often. For rides of consequence though I love 
 having the extra cog right there. I have two rear wheels for the Q: a fixed 
 dingle and free dos with bailout big cogs on the flip. I can do a lot of 
 climbing on my single speed with that setup.

  



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[RBW] SimpleOne two week reflections

[EricP]

Simple answer - me like!  A lot.  It really does seem to disappear 
underneath while riding.  Took it out for a 40 mile ride last Sunday, with 
a few on gravel roads.  Pretty sure I was faster over the gravel than I had 
been last year on the Hillborne.  Sure, a lot of it is the new bike smell 
- I like something therefore it rides better.  Purely psychological.  But 
at this point, am not going to complain.
 
Photo from that ride -http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/7126464935/ 
 
Still need a Nitto rack for the back, but one is on the way from New York 
via eBay.  Not sure I want to change anything else.  But who knows.  Only 
275 miles on it so far.  Maybe in a month or so something will seem 
obvious.  
 
Guess it's a nice way to say glad I decided to purchase the bike.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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Re: [RBW] The Arrival of my new 62cm SimpleOne

[EricP]

Great story.  Agree, the SimpleOne is a great bike.  Have spent the past 
two weeks using it as my sole ride.  The poor Sam Hillborne is feeling 
neglected.  Will make up for that this weekend.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Monday, April 30, 2012 9:25:16 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:

 Nice story, Matthew!

 Brian Hanson

  


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[RBW] Re: Why I Like Commuting On My Bike

[EricP]

Will admit to not commuting by bike as often as I should.  And the 
waistline definitely shows it.  It can be very nice for the 10.5 miles each 
way.  This time of year, will start seeing the sunrise by the time I get 
near work.  And almost to the point where I don't have to pack an entirely 
different set of clothing for the ride home.  
 
Have to admit my favorite time is riding near a heavily used railroad track 
and having a train comes by.  No matter how old I get, still mesmerizes.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 
 

On Monday, April 30, 2012 5:04:50 PM UTC-5, HappyCamper wrote:

 My commute is .2 miles. I sometimes ride and pretend I have a 5 mile 
 commute by taking a loop if I haven't taken any lunch/weekend rides in a 
 few days. 

 - Ryan

  


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Re: [RBW] The Arrival of my new 62cm SimpleOne

[EricP]

Total agreement there.  My LHT is hanging from the rafters right now. The 
SO as the main ride, and the SH as the trusted standby.  But it will also 
do the main duty for a longer ride this weekend involving a lot of hills.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Monday, April 30, 2012 7:36:50 PM UTC-5, Peter Pesce wrote:

 My Sam has also seen a bit less love since I got the Quickbeam, but it was 
 always a weekend bike. Its the LHT that is really collecting dust now that 
 the QB is on commuter duty. It sure is nice to enjoy that sweet Riv ride 
 every day of the week though. 

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[RBW] Question about White Ind Dos Freewheel

[EricP]

For the folks that have one of these on their Quickbeam or SimpleOne - do 
you actually swap gears that much?  Am thinking of a 17/19 for my 
SimpleOne.  Besides worrying about clearance issues am just wondering if it 
would get used enough to justify the price.  There are not a lot of long 
climbs in the Twin Cities, but in other parts of the state, a 2 mile or 
more climb is not unheard of.  Also thinking it might be good for a bail 
out on a windy day.  Or really steep shorter hills.  As my SimpleOne has 
metal fenders, this seems a more appropriate choice that flip/flop 
freewheels.
 
Have also considered a Dingle fixed cog setup.  Not willing to try that 
right now.  The idea of superfast spinning on downhills just doesn't appeal.
 
Thanks in advance for any opinions.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Atlantis: Santa Fe, NM

[EricP]

Agree. Very nice they went probably above and beyond what is usually called 
for in finding a stolen bicycle.  
 
And congrats on getting the bike back.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Friday, April 20, 2012 5:47:27 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 FANTASTIC NEWS! Awesome that your local PD/SO put that effort into it!

 On Friday, April 20, 2012 2:47:56 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote: 

 Tim, so happy for you! That's a beautiful and beausageified bike! 
 Looks like you put it to some serious use. Glad it's recovered and 
 back home. 

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[RBW] Re: New SimpleOne

[EricP]

What?  That's heresy.  Ended up putting on a set of Berthoud fenders lying 
around the garage this morning.  Took the lead from a SimpleOne owner in 
Washington DC who has similar fenders with long stays.  Loosen the 3mm 
bolts and can move the fender to get the rear wheel out. At least that's 
the way it's supposed to work.
 
Then took the bike out for a maiden voyage.  Very comfortable.  Climbs well 
and was very stable in descending.  Did get the bike to around 35mph on one 
downhill.  After stopping for lunch near Minnehaha Falls, stopped by 
Hiawatha Cyclery.  While there,  purchased and installed a rack for the 
bike (Racktime Foldit for those keeping score).  Eventually am still 
hoping to get a Nitto R-14, but this will do in the meantime. 
 
More photos to prove it happened: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/sets/72157629469808006/
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:56:13 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Another option: How about having a fenderless bike? You already have three 
 that have fenders.

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[RBW] New SimpleOne

[EricP]

Wasn't able to resist any longer.  Snagged a 60cm SimpleOne a week ago.  
Frame arrived today.  Spent the afternoon putting it together.   Yes, 
Rivendell's packing is as good as possible.  Had to work to get it out of 
the box.  Then spent a good chunk of the afternoon putting the bike 
together.  In general things went smooth, although I did shatter a plastic 
fender.  

Pics here -  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/sets/72157629469808006/
 
Glad I did this, even though the bike is technically on the small side.  
With a 9cm stem, the bars are just where I want them.  There is probably 
too much seatpost showing for some.  That may go down a bit once I ride it 
a bit.  Feels about 1cm too high.  Also need to add fenders and a rack.  
Maybe a kickstand.
 
To folks that own a SimpleOne or Quickbeam - what is the preferred fender 
SKS with the quick release in back, or Berthoud?  
 
Really looking forward to riding this bike.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Newsflash: Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

[EricP]

Thank you!  Now that is true high trail.  
 
Or it is to me, a midwesterner where nothing rises more than a couple of 
hundred feet.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:44:29 AM UTC-5, Esteban wrote:

 I can't seem to edit the subject line myself.  I was trying to poke fun, 
 apparently to no avail, of the trail discussions.  But while we're on it, 
 here's Eric's high trail: 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4227808845/



 On Friday, April 13, 2012 5:51:11 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote: 

 No kidding about the t subject being overdone. It sounds to me like a 
 marketing phrase that has caught on or something.  
  

 On Friday, April 13, 2012 3:11:38 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 Edited subject line in deference to GP's request.  The t subject has 
 been overworked. 

 dougP 

 On Apr 13, 11:31 am, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: 
  I am not sure about high trail or rear load bias, but i am sure that: 
  a platrack with a wald basket zip tied to it and a shopville shopsack 
 and a 
  top rack with a large saddlesack on it  on my 64 Sam make it so that I 
 can 
  easily carry a bunch of stuff.  bike feels stable, rides smooth, and 
  doesn't get wonky. 
  
  trips to the co-op, overnight camping, jaunts to downtown meetings 
 with my 
  laptop and other stuff, and riding around for errands are all totally 
  awesome with this setup. 
  
  
  
  On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:24:23 PM UTC-4, Esteban wrote: 
  
   Maybe it is the francophile in me, but I've toured and ridden with a 
   load up front on my Protovelo.  I've never ridden with bags in the 
   back until yesterday: 
  
  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/7067953309/in/photostream/l... 

  
   Front low-riders have always felt good on this bike - the low weight 
   up there seems to anchor the steering and the bike feels like its on 
   rails.  The rear low-riders on this bike seem to take the weight 
 away 
   unless I'm climbing... or descending - when I can feel the push-pull 
   of the weight back there.  Otherwise, its really quite neutral. 
  
   Who would have thunk?- Hide quoted text - 
  
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[RBW] Re: A Gift for the Bunch

[EricP]

Marty,
 
18x24.  Which is what you recommended, isn't it? 
 
As for the green Hillborne, I'm (mostly) pulling your chain.  Amazing how 
many green bikes have been available from Rivendell.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:32:10 PM UTC-5, Marty wrote:

  Glad you like it Eric, and good to know it prints out OK. I have not had 
 a chance to do that myself, but I'll take it in on a thumb drive somewhere 
 this weekend. What size did you end up with? Sorry 'bout the missing green 
 SH, but there's always the next time!


 Marty 


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Re: [RBW] Nothing important, just some remarks about enjoying my '99 Joe Road Fixed.

[EricP]

During non winter months will mostly rotate. It also depends on what type 
of riding I might have planned.  One is hanging right now needing some 
parts swapped.  And starting next week, will probably just ride one for the 
next month or so.  But that is, if things go right (grin).
 
In winter it's often one bike until it needs serious maintenance, then 
switch to my other winter bike.  Assuming I have two bikes set up for 
winter.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:43:56 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:

 I rotate among the ones that are working properly. And tinker incessantly 
 with the rest. 

 Sent from my iPhone 

   

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[RBW] Re: Newsflash: Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

[EricP]

Good edit - but I still see the thread like this - photo of a Rivendell on 
a place like Bolinas Ridge with either a Baggins or Sackville saddlebag.
 
That, to me, would be high trail.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Friday, April 13, 2012 3:11:38 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 Edited subject line in deference to GP's request.  The t subject has 
 been overworked. 

 dougP 

  

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[RBW] Re: A Gift for the Bunch

[EricP]

It is also possible to copy the original size in Flickr to an SD card and 
tote said card to Target to get a poster sized print.  Did that over 
lunch.  It's a stunner.  Cost was  about $19.  Might vary depending on 
where you have it done.
 
Thank you Marty for the great work.  Still wish the single TT Hillborne was 
the original green, but can't have everything.  But Grant's AHH makes up 
for it.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:20:27 AM UTC-5, Marty wrote:

 Some have asked me to upload this to Snapfish so they can order a print. 
 I've never done that, but I'll give it a try. Here's the link to the file 
 on Snapfish:


 *http://tinyurl.com/6q4jx9q*

 Let me know if that works, OK?

 Marty


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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Swiss Army Knife

[EricP]

The model is the Swiss Army Pioneer.  Yes, the early ones are engraved with 
an A.H.H.  Have one.  Then again, own about 8 or 10 Swiss Army knives.  
Both the screwdriver and bottle opener have come in handy while out 
riding.  
 
As I was looking for the particular model, found a Farmer model Swiss Army 
knife.  Like the Pioneer but with a saw.  Hmm.  Tempting.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 5:32:55 PM UTC-5, William wrote:

 If you follow the link above and try to order it, it says they don't have 
 it.  

  



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[RBW] Re: Using modern derailers

[EricP]

I like the look of the Ultegra and like the Alfine single ring with 
chainguard even more.  Have one on my Surly Cross Check.  The lines just 
seem to flow in a way I like.  And the Q factor falls into the range I 
happen to prefer.  Guess having fat thighs can have an advantage.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:33:55 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 I like the dark grey Ultegra cranks. Don't tell anybody..
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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Re: [RBW] Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!

[EricP]

Seems to me Jim Thill posted a while ago that the new Atlantis chainstays 
were pretty long.  Enough so a 970 chain was just barely able to get around 
a similar setup.  
 
To Esteban - nice setup.  Never have tried a low panniers.  Don't have a 
rack equipped for it.  It looks nice on your Protovelo. Afraid the 
bags would pick up too much grime here in Minnesota.  Especially in the 
non-summer months.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:19:21 PM UTC-5, franklyn wrote:


 How long is really the chainstay? Grant only wrote that some sizes will 
 have chainstays longer than 46cm. My wife's 1982 Trek 720 has a chainstay 
 of 47cm, and you can definitely see and feel that extra length. One place 
 where one experiences issue is chain length. A brand new SRAM 970 chain out 
 of package is not long enough for 46T chainring/32T large cog combination. 
 I was too lazy to lengthen the chain but tagging on a few more links, but 
 for now just told my wife not to shift to the Big-Big combination lest she 
 wants to break the derailleur. 

 Franklyn 

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Re: [RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[EricP]

Yes, even though the axle is longer on my one single speed wheel, it's had 
no problem holding up my 230 pounds even with panniers and gear.
 
FWIW, a Phil freewheel hub has a long axle on the non-drive side to make a 
low dish wheel.  Have one on my Sam Hillborne and it has held up just fine 
under my weight in all kinds of riding.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Monday, April 9, 2012 8:24:34 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 My ss/fixed hubs are all spaced 126, 130 or 135: never a problem even
 with heavy rear loads. I weigh 175 and often carry 40 lb or so. 

   

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[RBW] Re: Nitto R-14 top rack on a Roadeo: Sacrilege?

[EricP]

Go for it.  Not only does it sound like a fine idea, but the Arkel Tail 
Rider is a great bag. I don't have one, but have looked them over numerous 
times.  
 
Saddlebags are great, but if you're not using a saddle with loops and don't 
want to use a Nitto bag clamp, there's not a lot out there.  The R-14 is a 
better idea IMO.
 
Had an R-14 on my Hillborne when first building it up.  And may eventually 
have one on another bike someday.  It's a excellent item.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:20:04 AM UTC-5, newenglandbike wrote:

 I don't have a Roadeo so take this with grain of salt, but I bet it would 
 be fine. The R-14 rack is not typical, being unusually well made, 
 lightweight and stiff.  That being said, you could also look into 
 mounting the smaller Mark's rack-  although they are normally shown mounted 
 to the fork, they can also be mounted to the seatstays.   I have one on an 
 old sequoia to support a large saddlebag and it is great.

 Matt


 On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:10:41 AM UTC-4, Forrest wrote: 

 Would use rubber-lined clamps on the seat stays, and the long struts 
 bolted to fender braze-ons at the rear dropouts. Could just use a true 
 saddlebag sans rack, but I am overly fond of my Arkel Tail Rider trunk bag. 
 It only weighs a pound, and I usually never have more than 7-9 pounds of 
 stuff in it, max, often more like 5-6 pounds. But it is bullet-proof and 
 waterproof and expandable, and what if I come across a box turtle that I 
 would like to take home to my wife as a present (she's turtle-crazy)? 



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Re: [RBW] Slightly Epic.

[EricP]

Very nice and epic.  I've done 40 miles single speed, but never fixed.  And 
your gear is considerably higher than mine.  
 
Too bad for the slow business, but at least the weather is nice.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN (where it was barely into the 40's today with a somewhat brisk 
NW wind.  Enough so wished I had a jacket over the Rivendell wool jersey on 
my ride after work.)

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:42:48 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Alas, work is slow.

  



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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[EricP]

Was that way myself until a about a year ago.  Over the past couple years 
have been on rides with folks riding single speed (or fixed gear) bikes and 
was jealous, for lack of a better term.  Especially on the SoCal Riv Ride 
back in 2009.  Was really yearning for a Quickbeam by the end of the ride.  
Decided after getting a Cross Check last year to give it a try. Had Jim 
Thill build a wheel and put it on the bike.  And took it for a ride.  Then 
another.  Then another.  I liked it.  A lot.  

There are some limitations with my single speed riding - climbing is slower 
and will often look for alternate route rather than heading for steep 
hills.  Then again can probably get around 90 percent of the Twin Cities 
metro area without having to do an ugly (to me) climb.  And climbing even 
out of my side street in winter with studded tires was more chore than I'd 
like.  But overall, it's a fun alternative to shifting.
 
Plus, a single speed is a great excuse why I can't keep up with faster 
riders.  Which is just about every body else out there.
 
Eric Platt
(Counting down the days until next Monday)

On Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:32:22 PM UTC-5, Way Rebb wrote:

 The last single speed I had was as a kid and his StingRay.  Getting a 
 bike with gears was a revelation. I remember actually riding, not 
 pushing the bike, up 73rd in Oakland with a big smile on my face.  I 
 doubt, in fact I know, I'd never get a single speed. I can get the 
 same effect by not changing gears for a while.  Maybe if it had all 
 the braze ons for a Rohloff or something like that.  Some people seem 
 to like them, just not for me. 

 On Apr 9, 7:11 pm, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: 
  Jim writes: People think single-speed and in the same thought they 
  
  think beater or winter bike or bar bike or whatever other 
  utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. 
  
  I figure Jim's dealt with way more folks buying bikes than I have so I 
  wouldn't take issue with him about what people in the aggregate 
  think. But I sure don't think that way. When I got my first ss/fixed 
  bike (after grade school that is), I was concerned about winter in the 
  midwest. I didn't want rear derailers freezing up packed full of 
  slush. I wanted fenders so I wouldn't get covered with slush. I 
  thought the 1/8th inch chain would lower the loads and wear better. 
  But I wasn't particularly thinking cheep. I got campi track hubs, 
  moderate weight tubular rims, suntour superbe cranks, lyotard platform 
  pedals (ok they weren't expensive but they were nice), and chinelli 
  bar and stem. If I could have afforded a better frame I think I would 
  have. 
  
  I understand fear of theft driving a desire for cheep. But not fear of 
  the elements. I have never hesitated to take a nice bike out into the 
  rain or snow because I was afraid it would get wrecked. I also see no 
  conflict between utilitarian and aesthetics/elegance/beauty etc. Have 
  you ever used snap-on tools? 
  
  Clearly not enough people will pay 1k for a dedicated SS frame and 
  fork to support the SO/QB in the marketplace. I just find it odd if 
  thats not because almost nobody (outside of hipsterdom which, as noted 
  previously, has a different aesthetic) really knows they like riding 
  em. Of course I think lots of things are odd. 
  
  On Apr 9, 3:16 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com 
  wrote: 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Also, in reference to Ted's comment about the Cross-check being more 
 an analog to the Hillborne than to the SO: 
  
   That's definitely true if you're talking about the Cross-check as a 
 geared bike. In that case, the two bikes have a lot of similarities, except 
 one looks fancier and costs $600 more (for the frameset only). The price 
 difference is more profound if you compare the CC stock complete bike to a 
 similarly equipped Hillborne, which is not available as a mass-market 
 complete bike. But lots of people, for various reasons, think the price 
 difference on the Riv is plenty acceptable. Lots of people are willing to 
 shell out for a special bike. Cool. 
  
   But single-speeds are different. People think single-speed and in 
 the same thought they think beater or winter bike or bar bike or 
 whatever other utilitarian, un-romantic category applies. In that case, you 
 look at that $600 price difference and you think about rust and dents, and 
 that Surly, what it lacks in panache, it makes up in ruggedness and, 
 ultimately, in the worst case scenario, replaceability. In the case of 
 single-speeds, the preciousness that many of us assign to Rivendell 
 bicycles is a drawback. And that's why I say more mundane frames like the 
 CC make it hard to sell the QB/SO.

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[RBW] Re: A new tent for bicycle camping?

[EricP]

Agree to a large extent.  However, the past couple of years, been on an 
overnight bike trip with friends and each time we had a thunderstorm with 
pretty strong winds.  Both times, my tents stayed up, but not everyone was 
so lucky.  FWIW, the first trip was with a Sierra Designs Clip Flashlight 
and the last time was a Eureka that Grant recommended.  Both definitely on 
the inexpensive end of things.
 
But unless one is really into gear or does take their equipment to 
extremes, most of us don't need a Hilleberg.  Still, doesn't keep me from 
wanting one some day.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Sunday, April 8, 2012 11:11:39 AM UTC-5, Mojo wrote:

 Nice sentiment Jim! Don't let the gear get in the way of the experience. I 
 can be guilty, especially with a camera trying to 'capture' the moment. I 
 love it when my bike disappears underneath me, and it is just my breathing 
 and the hill and the wind and sunshine.
   
 On Sunday, April 8, 2012 9:50:42 AM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 Sometimes we enthusiasts get carried away with gear fetishism. Many of us 
 can rattle off detailed specs of various tents on the market, and all for 
 basic portable shelter! Back in college I camped a lot with no tent 
 whatsoever. Then I bought some closeout eureka tent that was poorly 
 reviewed, but cheap and light. I slept in it hundreds of times over the 
 next dozen or so years. It was worn and full of small holes, but adequate, 
 until it finally succumbed to uv damage (from me leaving it outside for the 
 kids all summer). Now I have another tent (Mountainsmith something) that 
 was also on the inexpensive end, and seems just fine for separating me and 
 a traveling companion from bugs and rain. I love the idea of the $4 yard 
 sale tent!



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[RBW] Re: Done talking myself into like the moustache.

[EricP]

I liked the Woodchipper at first.  Then started to hate them.  Pretty sure 
it was one of the reasons for the return of wrist pain for me last year.
 
My favorite this year for semi-flat bars are the Soma Clarence.  Nice sweep 
back.  Goes well with Ergon grips, too.
 
Only tried moustache bars once over a winter when the Hillborne was 
inside.  Didn't like it then.  But may want to try again in the future with 
the bike on the road.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Sunday, April 8, 2012 12:49:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:

 I like the Woodchipper more than the Noodle, but I like Moustache bars, 
 too. My M-bars are on a 63.5 cm bike with a 58cm top tube, and my prefered 
 position is out on the hoods. 

 Taking a moment to appreciate how silly those bar names are,
  Philip

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 On Sunday, April 8, 2012 5:57:32 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
 wrote:

 The orthodox solution is a Nitto Noodle. An unorthodox solution is the 
 Salsa Woodchipper. I'd rather suggest the Salsa Cowbell, but that one is 
 31.8 and will not fit a quill stem.



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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne

[EricP]

Well, in theory, one could have a Surly Cross Check set up for single 
speed, and still end up ordering a SimpleOne.  In part due to longer 
chainstays, slightly lower bottom bracket, kewl green color and being the 
last of the completely different Rivendell models.  But that of course 
would just be in theory.g 
 
As a bike, the Cross Check is an excellent bike with a 130mm wide single 
speed hub.  And I can convert mine to a 1x8or9 in about a half hour.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Sunday, April 8, 2012 3:25:42 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Obviously, not everybody will want a single-speed conversion on a 
 non-dedicated SS bike. My point was more to explain, in part, why maybe the 
 SO/QB wasn't a better seller because of frames like the CC that, in 
 function, do the same thing, for less dough.

 Another factor that I think relevant to lagging sales: my exhaustive 
 demographic research suggests that RBW's target market is 58-year-old 
 upper-middle income types who own multiple bikes (including, perhaps, a 
 vintage frame that can be converted). Single-speed popularity tends to be 
 driven, I dare say, by relative youngsters who have only one bike that they 
 ride and lock up everywhere. It's not practical or fashionable in this 
 crowd to have a nice/expensive/new bike. Far more street cred is attached 
 to machines lovingly assembled from dumpster frames and parts.


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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Cajun music: Starters.

[EricP]

Really don't know a whole lot of cajun myself (yet), but would recommend 
the Rounder Records cajun anthology on iTunes, along with stuff by the 
Balfa Brothers and Balfa Toujours.  The Balfa Brothers are pretty close to 
the standard, if there is such a thing in cajun music.  If you hunt 
around online, there may be some free stuff out there to download, although 
I haven't looked.
 
(Boring aside - a couple of the fiddlers I play with are into cajun music 
so I am trying to learn proper guitar backup.)
 
Only stretch I could figure for Riv connection is Bob Dylan has written and 
played a few cajun type tunes and Grant likes Dylang.
 
Have fun learning about the music!
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Friday, April 6, 2012 9:34:30 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Is Michael Doucet and band representative? For a starter collection
 from iTunes, who to choose? 

 I love this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxCejZOGNSo 

 Patrick Moore, anglo/irish/filipino and now cajun. 

 Reply offllist, please 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Slightly OT: Cajun music: Starters.

[EricP]

Oops.  My post to Patrick was supposed to be off-list.  But that didn't 
happen with the new setup for Groups.  My fault.
 
Sorry about that folks.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:24:16 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Briefly: thanks all; am following up on yer advices. Have already
 heard Balfas playing Joli Blon -- very nice! 

 Back offlist with this!


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[RBW] Re: What's in YOUR shorts?

[EricP]

And I'm probably one of the few to consistently get saddle sores from 
Brooks saddles.  Both with and without padded shorts.  For today, put a 
Brooks back on the Hillborne and rode about 30 miles today, about half in 
the rain.  Including an extended stop at Hiawatha Cyclery.  Sitting in 
front of the computer, can certainly tell I was on a Brooks.  And, no, I 
have not ridden that much this year.  Just a bit above 1,000 miles so far.  
So it could be my lack of riding and/or fitness.
 
Frustrating, but it appears that the area around where the cantle and rail 
meet rub me the wrong way.  So to speak.  Not just on one Brooks, but on at 
least 3 different B-17s.
 
But to the original poster - for rides up to about 20 miles, I find boxers 
just fine.  Even on Terry saddles.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 5:06:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 Cheap cotton boxers from Target for me, under MUSA shorts when temps are 
 above 40F. The boxers have to be broken in (ten or so wearings/washings) 
 before I wear them on longer rides. When new, the fabric is a little too 
 stiff. I tried padded shorts half a dozen times, and I found them horrible 
 (hot,sweaty, squishy, etc) in a short time. I've also tried going 
 commando, but that was somewhat uncomfortable and carried an almost 
 intolerable degree of blowout risk. These days I ride B67 saddles on 
 everything. I just sold my long-loved but no longer ridden B17 Champ Spec, 
 which I miss mostly because of the beausage.

  



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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne, 700x47 Marathon Greenguard, SKS Longboard

[EricP]

That's the newer Hillborne.  Which does fit larger tires.  The first 
generation is good for 40.  Pretty sure a 45 would not work out.  Not so 
much the fork at the chainstays.
 
If I remember correctly, Jim Thill at Hiawatha Cyclery installed a set of 
WTB 700x45s on a orange Hillborne.
 
Glad to know the newer ones take bigger tires.  There are many times I wish 
for a slightly larger tire on my SH.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Friday, April 6, 2012 2:07:31 AM UTC-5, charlie wrote:

 I have the older 700x47's (the non Green Guards) on my Trucker and 
 enjoy the confidence they inspire when riding over crummy roads. It 
 just takes the stress out of my ride when I roll with those tires. 
 Glad to see they fit a frame with side pull brakes. I wondered about 
 that actually as I like the ease of set up with side pulls. 



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[RBW] Re: Headset and bottom bracket life expectancy

[EricP]

The stock headset on the early Sam Hillbornes was possibly not the best 
sealed.  Mine started leaking grease out the lower bearing after a couple 
of months.  While never causing any problems or pitting, after about a year 
had my LBS replace it with a Shimano 105.  It's not totally silver, but the 
quality seems to be such it might be the last one the bike will need.

FWIW, I've always had fenders on my Hillborne and did not ride it overmuch 
in rain.  And again, the stock headset was not bad in any way.  More than 
anything just got tired of wiping grease off the fork crown and fender.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Thursday, April 5, 2012 2:49:00 PM UTC-5, Brewster wrote:


 On Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:14:19 AM UTC-7, Daniel M wrote: 

 Is this thread still active?  I'll post my headset experience:  I bought 
 a new Sam Hillborne from Rivendell, assembled by them, in April of 2010.  
 Within one month, the day after completing the Davis Double, I noticed that 
 my headset was pitted, with a noticeable notch when the bars were turned 
 straight ahead, thus requiring extra effort to turn away from straight 
 ahead and spoiling the handling.  Rivendell replaced the headset for me at 
 no cost. 

 Within one year, after a month-long tour from the Bay Area to Oregon and 
 back, the headset had pitted again.  I didn't ask Riv to replace it for 
 free since this one had lasted longer, and instead bought a Cane Creek 
 headset from them and had a local mechanic (Stefan at Cycle Monkey in 
 Albany, CA) install it for me.  When he pulled the old headset out he 
 showed me the pitting marks on the lower race.  His theory what that 
 because the bearing keeper ring (I have no idea what this is actually 
 called but it holds the bearings in place while you are assembling the 
 headset) was left in the headset when it was installed (he gave me the 
 impression he would have removed it had he done the installation), that the 
 same points on the bearings always contacted the exact same points on the 
 race as the headset turned, accelerating wear.  He felt that without the 
 keeper in place they would have rolled more randomly, slowing wear.

 Bottom line: since having the Cane Creek headset installed, I have had no 
 problems.  Note that I am somewhat of an abusive user; this bike gets 
 ridden every day, is occasionally hopped up and (as gently as possible) 
 ridden off curbs, often with a bag in the front basket, and it gets ridden 
 on rough trails and fire roads from time to time.  I think a lot of owners 
 might put less wear on their bikes in one lifetime than I have each year.

  
 I don't know what headsets you used before, but the Cane Creek hs has 
 angular contact cartridge bearings like Shimano, Chris King and others. I 
 know there are others who have standard cup and cone or needle bearing hs 
 that they claim last 50K miles or more, but the cartridge bearing hs 
 basically puts an end to pitted hs. For more, here's what  the Bicycle FAQ 
 says about it and why its superior to the other types of hs:
  
 Shimano, Chris King, Cane Creek and others, offer angular contact, full 
 ball complement, spherically aligned cartridge bearings. The Shimano 
 cartridge bearings have contact seals, not exposed to weather, to retain 
 grease for life of the bearing. The races are sufficiently reentrant that 
 they snap permanently together with sufficient preload to prevent rocking 
 (fretting) motion perpendicular to the rotational axis. Spherical steel 
 rings, that move as plain bearings against an aluminum housing, support the 
 cartridge bearing to absorb, otherwise damaging, out-of-plane motion while 
 the cartridge bearing does the steering.
  
 link: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/indexed-steering.html
  
 Good Luck!
  


 On Monday, April 2, 2012 6:30:12 AM UTC-7, shawn wrote:

 How many miles can one expect to get out of a typical headset and 
 bottom bracket?



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[RBW] Re: New HC poster

[EricP]

And as someone who has already picked up the new poster, I agree with Jim, 
it is even better in person.  The greeen background makes a nice change 
from the first two posters. (Happen to stop by Hiawatha Cyclery when the 
artist was dropping them off on his cargo bike).  

Now to find a frame.  And extra wall space.  A good problem to have.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Sunday, April 1, 2012 11:12:52 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 The new posters can be found here. We also have a small number from last 
 year at a reduced price.
 http://tinyurl.com/6tw77vq

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