Re: [RBW] Nine is fine! 1x9 drivetrains in 2024. Who else is doing it?

[Nick Payne]

I built a bike up a while ago using Campagnolo Ekar 1x13, but I sold it 
after riding it for a few months because I didn't like the way the gearing 
was setup on the cassette. The five smallest cogs were all a single tooth 
jump from each other, and then the gaps between gears got much larger 
towards the bottom of the gear range 
(10-11-12-13-14-15-17-20-23-27-32-38-44). I would have much preferred 
closer ratios in the middle of the gear range where I spent most time.

I've gone back to using 11-speed 2x systems, which suit my style of riding 
better.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[Nick Payne]

Our biggest problem here on footpaths and bikepaths isn't ebikes, it's 
electric scooters. The ones for public hire *are* speed limited - I think 
to 25kph - but there are lots of people on private ones they've bought 
which don't appear to be speed limited, as I can be going along at around 
30kph and get passed by one of these going probably 20kph faster.

A bit over 18 months ago we had a ringside seat to the stupidity of one of 
these scooter riders. We were out on a ride and just turning onto a four 
lane freeway in order to go the couple of hundred metres to the start of 
the parallel bikepath. We had a green light, and this scooter went 
absolutely hammering past through the red light heading towards the 
airport. A few kilometres further on, on the bikepath that parallels the 
road, we came across the aftermath. The guy was lying on the ground with a 
fair sized gash in his leg, his crashed scooter nearby, and a bunch of cops 
were standing around with none looking sympathetic and a few clearly 
amused. There were three cop cars parked on the shoulder of the road and a 
couple of police motorbikes blocking the bikepath.

https://canberradaily.com.au/scooter-rider-takes-drugs-and-goes-four-times-the-speed-limit/

The thing he was riding appeared to be one of these: 
https://fluidfreeride.com/products/kaabo-wolf-king-gt.

And this was the aftermath a few months later: 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-04/canberra-man-caught-speeding-on-e-scooter-jailed/102299854
 
(includes video from the police motorbike of the pursuit and its 
conclusion).

Nick Payne
Canberra


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Re: [RBW] film photos on bike rides

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday 6 June 2024 at 12:01:48 am UTC+10 George Schick wrote:

Riding across long stretches of the Canadian prairie self-supported where 
there is no opportunity for support or relief sounds both bold and risky to 
me.  But I'm guessing it was an experience that you'll never forget.


Australia, not Canada. But I suspect (though not having cycled in Canada) 
that the distances and remoteness are probably much the same.

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Re: [RBW] film photos on bike rides

[Nick Payne]

I don't use film cameras any more, but I've been habitually cycling with a 
camera for almost 50 years. Some examples from film days, mostly taken with 
small cameras such as Olympus XA, but some taken with a Makina 67 rollfilm 
camera:

Various touring rides in the 1980s: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/GvbfFA7FMuTqbshL7.

These days I still photograph rides, but with digital cameras. I usually 
cycle with both a dedicated camera and a phone, but phone cameras are good 
enough these days that unless I need the extra reach of a camera lens, I 
mostly use the phone. Here's our last tour in Europe, where apart from the 
cycle racing in Innsbruck (2018 world championships), where the longer 
focal length and fast burst mode of the camera came into their own, I took 
nearly all the photos with my phone.

Europe 2018: https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA.

NIck Payne

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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Nick Payne]

I have one pair of wheels built onto Onyx hubs, and because the rear hub 
uses a sprag clutch instead of pawls or a star ratchet like DT Swiss, they 
are completely silent when freewheeling. I find it very nice that when I'm 
stooging along out in the country and stop pedalling, I don't have any 
mechanical noise other than that of the tyres on the road.

I can't say that I really care for the look of their Vesper model hubs, 
which have scalloped edges on the hub flanges between the spoke holes and 
stepped diameters on the hub shell. I prefer the older "Classic" model I 
have (still available) that has a smoother outline. They're also pretty 
pricey - almost up in Chris King territory.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: How much can you vary wheel diameter and tire width without degrading handling?

[Nick Payne]

When I stopped racing it, I converted my old Litespeed race bike from 622 
wheels with 25mm tyres to 584 with 32mm tyres, as the chainstays on the 
Litespeed bow inwards, and the widest 622 tyre that would fit between the 
chainstays was 25mm. Because 584 rims are 19mm smaller radius, I could 
manage to fit a 32mm tyre. I can't say that I noticed a difference in the 
handling with the smaller wheels. With the lower bottom bracket I did have 
to avoid pedalling through fast corners.

I also have a disc brake minivelo, on which I run either 451 wheels with 
28mm tyres or 406 wheels with 44mm tyres. Other than the increased shock 
absorbtion with the larger tyres, I don't notice any difference in the 
handling there either.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Nick Payne]

On Saturday 25 May 2024 at 2:31:29 am UTC+10 nca...@gmail.com wrote:

then folks decided *wireless* groupsets had to be a thing (first released 
only 4 years after the first iPad).


Long before that. Mavic Mektronic pre-dated the iPad by at least a decade, 
and its predecessor (Mavic Zap, which was wired, not wireless) by almost 
two decades.

I've been using SRAM eTap for almost a decade, with zero problems. I 
presently have it on three bikes - two with the original 11-speed Red eTap, 
and one with 12-speed, a mixture of Force shifters/brakes and Rival 
derailleurs.

Nick Payne 

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Re: [RBW] Re: TRP RRL vs Shimano Tiagra

[Nick Payne]

I have both Shimano and TRP RRL levers and prefer the TRP. For me the 
Shimano levers are a bit small, and I also frequently ride with the end of 
the hood in the middle of my palm, and prefer the more rounded shape of the 
TRP to the pointy Shimano hoods.

I take a 9½ or 10 in EU glove sizes, which is between L and XL US size.

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[RBW] Re: Cameras On Bikes

[Nick Payne]

Back in film camera days I mainly used a succession of small 35mm cameras 
for cycling photography - Rollei 35, Olympus XA, Ricoh GR and GR21 - but I 
also occasionally carried a 120 roll file camera as well, either a 
YashicaMat 124G TLR or a Makina 67 folding rangefinder. With digital 
cameras, I've had a succession of the various Sony RX100 models - the 
original model, then the RX100 IV, which added a popup viewfinder, and 
currently the RX100 VII, which increased the focal range. These days, I 
travel with the RX100 VII and my phone, though I find that I mostly use the 
phone unless I need the longer focal length or burst mode of the dedicated 
camera.

Here's one tour shot with the Olympus XA: 
https://goo.gl/photos/U7H7PABV1r6QLLxN8
One shot with the Makina 67: https://goo.gl/photos/Mq1z4mycSFkQFdsd6
And our most recent tour in Europe, where I think virtually all the photos 
were taken with my phone (at the time, a Pixel 4), except for the photos of 
the racing at the cycling world championships in Innsbruck, where I used 
the RX100 for it's greater reach and fast burst mode: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] WTB/ Rear Rack Advice

[Nick Payne]

I recently bought my wife a Tailfin rack plus panniers and rack top bag as 
a birthday present. Both the rack and panniers are very nicely made and 
very stable in use, but decidedly not cheap. I bought her the aluminium  
version of the rack, as I couldn't see the point in spending a wad of extra 
cash on the CF version to save 150g when you then hang 15 or 20kg of 
luggage on it. The rack can either mount to standard rack mounts or mounts 
to a special QR or thru-axle they provide if the frame doesn't have mount 
points or the mount points are already being used for mudguards. I bought 
both the QR and thru-axle mounts, as she has bikes with both axle systems. 
With the rack mounting to their axles, it's a matter of about a minute to 
transfer the rack between bikes.

https://www.tailfin.cc/product/pannier-racks/alloy-racks/alloy-rack/

https://off.road.cc/content/review/racks/tailfin-alloy-rack-review-9813

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[RBW] Re: Inexpensive rear light to mount on Seat stay - any suggestions

[Nick Payne]

Niterider have seatstay mounts for their taillights - not sold with the 
lights, unfortunately, you have to purchase the mount separately for about 
$5. They also sell a taillight rack mount as well, if you have a rear rack 
with a flange on it. I recently bought one of these, which is quite bright 
and has a good runtime, along with the seatstay mount:
https://www.niterider.com/collections/taillights/products/vmax-%E2%84%A2-150-bike-taillight
https://www.niterider.com/products/tail-light-mount-seatstay-and-seatpost

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Nick Payne]

On Friday 26 April 2024 at 2:51:46 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:

Ebike chains come in extra long links. Figure out how much you need and buy 
one close.

 
^This. For my Appaloosa I bought a Wipperman Connex chain that had 136 
links. With 38/24 chainrings and an 11-40 cassette, that was easily long 
enough to cope with the long chainstays. As I recall, I had to remove six 
or eight links to get the correct length.

https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Fashion help wanted: ISO nice looking cycling gloves

[Nick Payne]

Roeckl cycling gloves come in quite a selection of colours and patterns. I 
also find them extremely comfortable.

https://www.roeckl.de/#Multi:B2C/catalog/10

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Snapped Clem seat binder bolt

[Nick Payne]

On Monday 15 April 2024 at 4:11:18 am UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

I've come across several 26.8-post Rivs where the stock post actually 
seemed to be 26.7. If you're using the stocker I'd ditch it for a Nitto.


On my Appaloosa the internal diameter of the seat tube was actually 
slightly over 26.8. I tried three different 26.8 posts I had, including the 
one supplied with the frame, and they were all slightly loose with the 
binder bolt not tightened. As I had a 27.0 Nitto and an adjustable reamer, 
I reamed the seat tube so that the 27.0 post was an exact fit in the seat 
tube.

Nick Payne 

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Re: [RBW] Texas Riv Ride Your Age Accomplished

[Nick Payne]

It's a bit easier in this country with metric units. One of our cycling 
friends who recently turned 80 celebrated his birthday with an 80km ride.

Nick Payne
Canberra

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[RBW] Paul Racer rear mount bolt length needed

[Nick Payne]

I have a pair of Paul Racer centre-mount brakes, bought quite a few years 
ago, that I finally got around to fitting to a bike. However, although the 
two boxes the brakes came in are clearly marked as being one front and one 
rear, both brakes have the long bolt needed for mounting on the fork. 
Rather than faff around trying to get the correct bolt off the supplier, I 
was either going to cut down the existing bolt once I know what length is 
needed, or try for the correct bolt at a local hardware store that 
specializes in nuts and bolts. Does anyone know what length of bolt I need 
for fitting to the seatstay bridge (recessed allen-head fitting on the 
bridge)?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Campy Hub Shimano cassette??? or 34 tooth cog

[Nick Payne]

Campagnolo make Shimano-compatible freehubs for some of their wheels/hubs. 
I've had one in use on a wheel built with a Campagnolo Record hub for at 
least 15 years. Google "campagnolo shimano freehub body" (without quotes).

e.g. 
https://www.rosebikes.com/campagnolo-9-10-11-speed-freehub-body-for-shimano-cassettes-739505

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Re: [RBW] Gearing Choices

[Nick Payne]

I've attached a gearing spreadsheet I use, which allows me to easily 
compare three different gearing setups in the one sheet. It's in ODS 
(OpenOffice) format, but I believe that Excel can open and read that 
format. It also shows speed in each gear at a specified cadence - I have 
speed as KPH because we use metric in this country - if you want MPH 
values, just modify the speed formulas to divide the KPH values by 1.609.

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[RBW] Re: Ride Reports - Where You Defied the Weather

[Nick Payne]

About 40 years ago, when I was a racing cyclist, I rode in an early season 
spring race (three laps of a 50km circuit) that started in nice sunny 
conditions with the temperature somewhere around 60-65F, so we all started 
in shorts and short sleeves. Towards the end of the second lap, the wind 
started to pick up and rather black clouds started rolling in, and shortly 
after we started the final lap, it started to rain and the temperature 
dropped quite noticeably. With about 30km left it started to hail and the 
wind increased and the temperature dropped further. By the time we finished 
(in dribs and drabs, my wife who was at the finish line told me that the 
largest bunch she saw finishing was three or four riders), there was 
several inches of hail on the ground, and my fingers were so cold that I 
couldn't feel what I was touching. I was shaking uncontrollably, and had 
real trouble undoing my toestraps so that I could get my feet out of the 
pedals. I saw some cyclists who couldn't manage to get their toestraps 
loosened at all - when they came to a halt, they just toppled over 
sideways. It's by far the coldest I can remember getting on a bike in over 
half a century of cycling.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Nick Payne]

If you want silver (as in unpainted metal) hubs, the White Industries MI5 
hubs are nice.

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50

[Nick Payne]

Alex's Cycle in Japan have them: 
https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-r-50-saddle-bag-supporter-1.

NIck Payne

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[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Nick Payne]

I bought a 136 link Wipperman 11se chain for my Appaloosa. Can't remember 
how many excess links I removed to get the correct length chain with a 38t 
big chainring and 11-40 cassette:

https://www.connexchain.com/en/bike-chains/detail/connex-11se

They also make the same length chain in 7/8/9/10-speed, and other 
manufacturers (eg YBN, BBB, KMC) offer the same 136 link length as well.

NIck Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Nick Payne]

Nick, I believe your currency setting on the Analog website is set to 
Australian dollars

 Ok, that explains it. Though it's rather misleading for a US website that 
I've not previously visited to automatically show me the price not in $US 
with no indication of whose dollars unless I scroll to the bottom of the 
page. They're doing themselves a disservice, as if I'd been wanting to 
purchase those cranks, I would have skipped them as having too high a 
price. Every other website I have used that allows me to change currency 
denomination from the default for the country it's based in requires me to 
make an explicit choice.

I do have a pair of those Carmina cranks on a bike, and they are nice, 
though I think the TA Zephyr cranks on our tandem are even nicer. 
Unfortunately the Zephyr are no longer in production.

Nick Payne 

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[RBW] Re: TA Specialites Cranks at Analog Cycles

[Nick Payne]

When I look at Peter White's website, he sells a pair of Carmina crankarms 
for $243, spider for $92, and a pair of TA chainrings will set you back 
another $100 or so. That's around a $250 saving over the Analog Cycles 
price...

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Nick Payne]

p.s. Here's a quite interesting video showing the manufacture of the 
Berthoud saddles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OeHK6sVEw.

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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

[Nick Payne]

On Friday 2 February 2024 at 8:19:05 am UTC+11 matthew...@gmail.com wrote:

The Aspin is 18mm narrower than the B17- If you're trying to be comparable 
then the Aubisque/Vars/Mente City saddles would be a lot closer in 
dimensions. Aspin is 157mm, B17 is 175mm, and the Aubisque is 180mm.


I'll second the recommendation for the Aubisque/Vars/Mente (all three have 
exactly the same top: the Vars has Ti rails, the Aubisque stainless steel 
rails, the Mente the same but is cheaper as the top is fastened with rivets 
rather than bolts, so can't easily be replaced when needed). I have three 
of them on various bikes, two Vars and one Mente. I've been a user of 
Brooks Pro and B17 since the 1970s, but the Berthoud saddles are more 
comfortable for me.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?

[Nick Payne]

On Tuesday 30 January 2024 at 8:18:42 am UTC+11 mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:

With all respect to Mr. Weiss, the logical material for racy/roady types is 
aluminum, not steel. 
Nearly as light as carbon, significantly more robust, cheaper, and has the 
modern look and feel.


Yes, I've shifted towards aluminium frames and disc brakes (alongside being 
a touring cyclist, I also raced for about 30 years). The last two frames 
I've bought have been that, and they both ride really nicely. Modern 
hydro-formed aluminium frames are a far cry from the uncomfortable beer can 
Cannondales of 25-30 years ago. And the price of both those aluminium 
frames I bought was about one third of the price of the Open U.P.P.E.R. 
carbon fibre frame that I bought half a dozen years ago.

If you walk into a bike shop and look at the same model bike that comes in 
both C-F and aluminium (e.g. Trek Emonda), for the same level of 
components, the bike with the C-F frame will be much more expensive. That 
frame will very probably be slightly lighter than the aluminium one, but if 
you built the Al frame with a much better level of compenents to bring it 
up to the same price, you'd probably make up for any difference in the 
frame weights, plus you also have a more durable frame and (hopefully) 
better performing and lasting components.

Nick Payne
  

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Re: [RBW] Riv's new handlebar bag

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday 21 December 2023 at 3:41:18 am UTC+11 campyo...@me.com wrote:

My biggest issue with handlebar bags of this type is that most designs have 
a tendency to sway forward and back and rely on complicated (and, IMHO 
ugly) systems of cords or straps lashed to the frame or handlebars to 
prevent sway.


I've been pretty impressed with the Routewerks handlebar bag that I bought 
about 18 months ago. It's well thought out and made, totally stable in use, 
and attaches and detaches from the mount in a couple fo seconds with a cam 
action similar to a quick release. I got two mounts with it, so I can 
easily swap it between bikes.

https://routewerks.cc/

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 1:11:08 am UTC+11 Bill Lindsay wrote:

The hidden arm was definitely invented just to make a different look, and 
we were supposed to think that look was preferable.

It does minimise the problem that some cranks have/have had where cracking 
develops at the join between the crank and adjacent spider arm because of 
the acute angle between them. I can remember having to retire a couple of 
Campagnolo Super Record cranks that I was racing on back in the 1980s 
because cracks had developed at this point. e.g. - This image is from 
pardo.net, but it's identical to the cracks I found.
[image: Dscn2410_640[1].jpg]
 

That said, it works out great for me that so many people seem to have such 
a hard time with hidden bolt cranks, because I've never had a problem with 
it, and your shared struggles has got to help drive the price down for me.  
Walking around my garage, there are four bikes with hidden arm Ritcheys, 
three with hidden arm Sugino, and two with hidden arm Campy.

Ditto here. There must be half a dozen bikes in our garage using cranks 
with the hidden chainring bolt behind the arm, and I've not had any 
problems changing chainrings on them.

Nick Payne 

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[RBW] Re: aluminum V steel rear rack

[Nick Payne]

We broke a couple of Blackburn aluminium racks on our tandem in the 1980s. 
They didn't seem to be able to cope with carrying the luggage requirements 
for two people cycle camping. To replace them I bought a pair of front and 
rear Bruce Gordon CrMo racks, and the same racks are still holding up fine 
almost 40 years later, though they're now pretty rusty. BG doesn't make 
racks any longer, but I've also had no problems using Tubus steel racks on 
my own tourer. I bought their stainless steel racks (Tara front, Fly rear).

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO New or Used Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 12 October 2023 at 2:04:50 am UTC+11 aeroperf wrote:

Why not both?  You can still get a Shimano M591 new, though it is an older 
design, that works well with a 34-tooth cassette.  This is a solid, 
reliable design that Rivendell used to ship on their builds.  It is Deore, 
but not XT.  
A Deore XT equivalent like the M772 (also older design) is rated for 43 
teeth on the cassette


Did you accidentally type in 34 backwards? Because 34t is the nominal 
maximum cog size for the M772 RD - matching the largest CS-M770 9-speed 
cassette Shimano made. It usually copes with a 40t cog OK with the B screw 
in a few turns.

Nick Payne 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

[Nick Payne]

Have you tried USB heated gloves? A friend we go riding with swears by them 
in winter, though I haven't used them myself. In winter here we're 
sometimes riding in temperatures of -5C or accasionally a couple of degrees 
colder (somewhere around 20F). At those temperatures I find that a pair of 
Roeckl lobster mitts over thin woolen gloves keep my fingers feeling OK. 
For feet I have a pair of Shimano winter shoes - I think the model is MW7. 
The best skullcaps for those sort of temperatures I've found, that will fit 
under a helmet, are made by Vaude.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

[Nick Payne]

This is my choice for style on a bike. Rudi Altig having a feed during a 
1964 TdF stage, pedalling with one foot and steering with the other:

[image: altig.jpg]

He died in 2016, but he was still riding a bike until shortly before then - 
he was one of the three cyclists in the arte.tv series on the North Sea 
cycle route that that was broadcast about ten years ago.

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[RBW] Re: First ride report from Western PA

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 10 September 2023 at 10:32:26 am UTC+10 J wrote:

I think only Apple users can view these


No, I can view HEIC images on Windows 11 using the  Paint application from 
Microsoft.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

[Nick Payne]

Cables for Campagnolo shifters have a slightly smaller head than those for 
Shimano/SRAM, by about 0.1-0.2mm. If you install a Shimano/SRAM cable in a 
Campagnolo shifter, you'll have similar problems trying to extract it when 
it needs replacing.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 13 August 2023 at 2:58:09 am UTC+10 jonathan@gmail.com wrote:

Reaming has crossed my mind and I know riv uses thicker walled tubing than 
most, but I still wanted to avoid it. How has it been holding up for you? 
Do you think 27.2 is possible? I would've much rather had that size from 
the get-go, I didn't realize how rare 26.8 is becoming.


Provided that brazing the seat tube into the lug hasn't distorted the seat 
tube significantly out of round, it shouldn't be a problem. I've certainly 
had no problem with the frame that I reamed to 27.0. 27.2mm became the 
defacto standard as it was the seatpost size used on most frames built with 
Reynolds 531C.

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[RBW] Re: Comfy aluminum frames?

[Nick Payne]

On Saturday, 12 August 2023 at 4:20:00 pm UTC+10 Jason Fuller wrote:

I was hoping I could track down what I had read not long ago on some very 
interesting thin-wall aluminum bikes that were produced in, I believe, the 
1980s. With aluminum lugged construction if I'm recalling correctly. 
Apparently they rode wonderfully and are nothing like the big-box aluminum 
bikes we're used to today.


There's a good article on these frames here: 
https://on-the-drops.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-peugeot-px-10du-vitus-979.html
.

Back in the late 1980s I had an SR Litage, which was similar to the Vitus 
in that it used normal diameter aluminium tubes with lugs bonded internally 
to the tubes. With the aluminium fork, it was an extremely comfortable bike 
to ride - I can remember using it for an Audax 1000 fitted with really 
skinny 19mm tyres, so that I could shoehorn mudguards onto a bike not 
designed for them, and finding that it was perfectly comfortable over that 
distance. Unfortunately the bike was stolen out of my house in the early 
90s, and I never acquired another aluminium frame until the Mason that I 
bought recently.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Nick Payne]

I use and like the Schwalbe Marathon Almotion in 55mm. They also make it in 
50mm width. They make two variations, one intended for use with tubes 
(V-Guard) and the other as tubeless (RaceGuard). The V-Guard version is 
almost 200g lighter.

https://www.schwalbe.com/en/tour-reader/marathon-almotion

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Nick Payne]

I was a bit pissed off when I found on delivery that the latest Rivendell 
frame I bought took a 26.8 seatpost. The three previous Riv frames I have 
all use 27.2. And in fact, this latest frame wasn't even accurately sized 
for 26.8 - the Kalloy seatpost that came with it, and which was a true 26.8 
by my vernier calipers, was a slightly loose fit in the seat tube. So I 
reamed the seat tube to 27.0 and used a 27.0 Nitto S83.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Comfy aluminum frames?

[Nick Payne]

As I said in another thread (
https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/tAas6urcOwg/m/KW63fr0LCQAJ), 
modern aluminium frames can be quite comfortable. Last week I did back to 
back rides on successive days over the same chipseal roads on that Al bike 
and on my Riv custom. I can't say that the Riv felt any more comfortable or 
better handling. The Al frame was running Conti GP Urbans and the Riv Rene 
Herse Bon Jon Pass, both nominally 35mm tyres.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Patch or Replace a Tire?

[Nick Payne]

That cut looks a bit large. You could try a tyre boot cut from an old slick 
tyre to see if the casing continues to herniate with the boot inside it. Or 
you could try a tubeless repair kit. I've used the Hutchinson Rep'Air kit 
on both tubeless and tubed punctures, but the cuts I fixed were not quite 
that large. I think the instructions with the Hutchinson claim it can be 
used on punctures up to 5mm size.

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis, All-Rounder, Saluki, Rambo (53/54 range)

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 6:43:57 am UTC+10 Ryan wrote:

Not sure about that original Rivendell listed for $1 which is not $1 in 
Brooklyn. If he means 1K I think he's dreaming in Technicolor.

I downloaded one of the photos to zoom in on and regardless of the crappy 
obviously  not original paint job with no decals or anything else to 
identify it, the lugs and the fork don't look like OG Riv lugs or fork  to 
me. It's not a great photo but I'm not sure seeing it in person would 
change my mind.


It looks more like a cheap frame where the tubes haven't been mitered, and 
the long lugs are used to hide this fact. It also doesn't look as though 
there are eyelets on either the front or rear dropouts. 

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[RBW] Re: Best Riv Rando Bike

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 1:31:57 am UTC+10 Ed Felker wrote:

This is an interesting question. I rode PBP in 2007 on my coupled Riv 
Bleriot and was comfortable the whole way on Grand Bois 32mm tires. it was 
a fair bit more forgiving than the stiffer Ritchey Logic 700c I rode in 
1999 with 23mm tires. I'm on tandem for PBP this year but if I were to ride 
PBP solo again, I'd take the Bleriot with 38mm tires.


Same here on the Bleriot. I've ridden multiple brevets on mine, mostly shod 
with the Hutchinson  "Confrérie des 650B" tyres.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: 26.0 bar in 25.4 clamp?

[Nick Payne]

I'd use an adjustable reamer to ream the stem from 25.4 to 26.0. I did this 
back in the 1980s when I wanted to use 26.4 Cinelli bars in a Nitto 
Technomic stem. The adjustable reamer I have for seat tubes has enough 
adjustment (down to 23.75) to be used for stems as well.

You can get cheap adjustable reamers off Aliexpress for less than $10. No 
idea of the quality (probably crap), but they should last long enough to do 
the job you need on an aluminium stem.

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Nick Payne]

On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote:

Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a companion to 
his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us "people who've 
drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 

I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just don't think 
they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. What the OP seems to be 
looking for in a bike is closer to what you and I both recommended.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Nick Payne]

I obviously haven't drunk the Kool-Aid:-)
On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 10:26:52 am UTC+10 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> High BB, short chainstays, steep seat-tube angles, and disc brakes? That's 
> as far away from the Roadini as you can get. Add in wireless shifting and 
> I'm sorry, that's just not comparable to any Rivendell I've seen!
>
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 2:00:11 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I've come to like modern aluminium frames - they're a far cry from the 
>> rigid Cannondales of 25 years ago. I've been riding bikes for about half a 
>> century, and have multiple lugged frames spanning that period (including a 
>> custom Riv and a Bleriot), but I reckon that the Mason Definition frameset 
>> that I recently built up as a fairly lightweight zippy machine is the best 
>> riding bike I've ever owned. It can fit 35mm tyres - Conti GP Urban are 
>> what I'm using, and has rack and mudguard mounts on the frame if you want 
>> to fit those.
>> [image: PXL_20230712_031843355.jpg]
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drivetrain question...

[Nick Payne]

I have a couple of bikes setup with 42/29 chainrings on 94BCD cranks and 
either 11-34 or 11-36 cassette. I find 42-11 quite a big enough gear - I 
can pedal it up to ~50kph without problem, and 29-34 or 29-36 can get me up 
some pretty long steep climbs also without problem.

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[RBW] Re: Triple to double conversion

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 10:02:54 am UTC+10 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

To address the Chain Line Question.  Assuming if you have a PERFECT Front 
Chain Line (FCL) with the triple (middle ring lines up with middle cog), 
then If you with:

Option 1, remove Outer ring, the  FCL needs to shift INWARDS, 1/2 of 
the spacing between the middle and inner ring.  This is typically 6mm, so 
you need to shift the crank INWARDS by 3mm.  You need a BB with a drive 
side distance 3mm *less than* you have currently.   This will also give you 
a lower Q.

Option 2, remove Inner ring, the  FCL needs to shift OUTWARDS, 1/2 of 
the spacing between the middle and outer ring.  This is typically 6mm, so 
you need to shift the crank OUTWARDS by 3mm.  You need a BB with a drive 
side distance 3mm *greater than* you have currently.   This will also give 
you a higher Q.


You've got this the wrong way around. If you remove the outer ring, then 
the crank needs to be moved outwards, because the chainline is now between 
the two remaining chainrings rather than being on what was the middle ring 
when there were three. And vice versa if you get rid of the granny. 

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Most Discreet Bell Placement

[Nick Payne]

When I was a young racing cyclist in Western Australia some 50-plus years 
ago, it was still a legal requirement for a bicycle to have a bell. This 
was more honoured in the breach than the observance, and I never saw or 
heard of a recreational cyclist being pulled over because they lacked a 
bell, but you could be excluded from the start line of a race by a 
bloody-minded commissaire if you didn't have one, so we would buy cheap 
aluminium bells, drill them out like Swiss cheese, this being the age of 
drillium, and fasten them under the saddle.

Western Australia had also previously had the requirement for bicycle 
number plates, and although that was no longer the case when I arrived 
there in 1963, you still saw quite a number of bicycles being ridden around 
with number plates still attached: 
https://historical.cc/news/2017/5/12/wa-bicycle-number-plates.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Phil cassette hub+wheel, tandem/145mm (HubbuHubbuH)

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 2 June 2023 at 2:59:22 am UTC+10 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

Piaw: I have no idea if it's 3 or 4 pawl. Is there an indication of 
which it could be? Hub is in good condition (AFAIK).

I believe they swapped the design around 2017. I ran into the same problem 
as Piaw when I needed new pawls for the rear Phil cassette hub on my tourer 
- the pawls they sell now only fit the post-2017 hubs - they don't have any 
stock of the older pawls - and the only option offered for my hub was a 
substantial price to upgrade it to the new version. As I could buy several 
Deore XT 780 rear hubs for the price Phil wanted to upgrade their hub, my 
touring bike now sports a rear wheel using a Deore XT hub.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Gearing (was Getting Over My Head)

[Nick Payne]

On Wednesday, 31 May 2023 at 11:23:36 am UTC+10 Garth wrote:

I was watching the uphill penultimate TT road racing stage of the Giro D' 
Italia this weekend where the eventual winner Primoz Roglic chose to run a 
1x for his TT bike. The announcers were "praising" him for the "innovative" 
choice of using a mtb gearing setup for the TT. Well lo and behold, at a 
low speed(which is fast for mere mortals, hah hah) he was about 2/3 up the 
course and he ran over what appeared to be a small break in the road 
crosswise and his chain derailed off the ring. He put it back on cool as a 
cucumber and still trounced everyone, but so much for 1x's not failing like 
any other system, because they do. 


I'd say he was either not using a clutch derailleur, or had the clutch 
disengaged to minimise drivetrain losses. My wife has been using 1x 
drivetrains for years with clutch derailleurs, on all sorts of road 
surfaces, and has never had the chain unship. She uses SRAM GX Eagle 1x12 
on one bike, and Eagle AXS on another.

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Re: [RBW] Deer-bike collision

[Nick Payne]

Here it's the kangaroos you have to worry about: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0UF-hDKGw.

Whenever I see a kangaroo anywhere near while out riding - I usually see 
them several times a week - I go absolutely dead slow until I'm sure the 
kangaroo is a reasonable distance away and heading in the other direction. 
Several of my friends have been taken out by kangaroos or wallabies while 
out riding. They (the animals, that is) are pretty erratic, and can turn 
very sharply - the engineers from Volvo in charge of their animal collision 
avoidance system spent quite a while at the local Tidbinbilla Nature 
Reserve a few years ago analysing kangaroos, but AFAIK they have not 
managed to adapt their software that works with moose, cows, etc to 
successfully cope with kangaroos: 
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/engineers-testing-volvo-s-driverless-technology-have-hit-a-problem-kangaroos/
.

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[RBW] Re: Homer Hilsen: Braking performance

[Nick Payne]

I'll chime in on the side of those who find the Tektro 556/559 calipers 
stop well (Koolstop pads, Shimano R400 brake levers). I've had my Bleriot 
with 556 calipers on tours in the mountains several times, and not had any 
problems with inadequate stopping power. The braking isn't as good as with 
disc brakes (in over 50 years of cycling, I've never used a rim brake of 
which I would say that), but it's very little different in power from that 
with cantilevers/centrepull/v-brakes that offer similar tyre clearance.

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[RBW] Re: 26.8 seatposts with generous setback

[Nick Payne]

Can't say anything about the Thompson post, but I have both the XC Pro and 
S83, and the setback is the same on both within a millimetre or two (that's 
to the front of the saddle rail clamp, which is what determines how far 
back you can set the saddle).

Some of the Kalloy UNO posts look to have a fair amount of setback, and 
come in 26.8. e.g.

https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-uno-602-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver
https://www.modernbike.com/kalloy-sp-359-micro-top-seatpost-26.8-x-350mm-silver

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Re: [RBW] Hozan Bottom Bracket Tapping Tool

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 12:22:28 am UTC+11 Garth wrote:

With cartridge BB's however, having the two sides perfectly aligned isn't 
critical as it is with cups and cones. In fact it has no bearing on it's 
function, pardon the pun. So for straightening/cleaning out threads the 
Hozan or home made tools without handles do just fine. We're not referring 
to cutting new threads here, they're already cut from the factory, hence, a 
run through is sufficient.


If you're using a crank that uses external bearing cups, such as some of 
the Silver cranks that Rivendell now sell, it's important to have the L and 
R threads and faces of the BB shell perfectly aligned. And you might be 
surprised at how much a BB shell that comes from the factory with perfectly 
aligned threads and faces will be distorted during framebuilding, with all 
the heat going into slightly over half of the diameter of the shell. I've 
had custom frames from well-regarded framebuilders that have needed quite 
extensive chasing/facing to get the BB threads and faces back to alignment.

I thought it slightly ironic that the best prepped and aligned frame that 
I've purchased in the last quarter of a century or so was an off-the-shelf 
Mason aluminium frame that I bought last year. The BB threads and faces had 
been machined post welding and painting, as had the headtube facing, and 
all the threaded fittings on the frame for mudguards, racks, etc, had been 
cleaned and greased as well. I also think it's just about the nicest-riding 
frame I've ever ridden.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: Padded Cycling Gloves Sans Velcro

[Nick Payne]

Roeckl gloves seem to last, are nicely padded, and, depending on the model, 
both the long finger and short finger come with or without velcro 
fastenings.

https://roeckl.de/#Multi:B2C/catalog/10

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[RBW] Re: Ramouillet max tire

[Nick Payne]

My Romulus (cheaper version of the Rambouillet) will fit 32s with SKS 
fenders using Sheldon fender nuts. With Berthoud stainless steel fenders 
I'm limited to 28mm tyres, due to the extra clearance needed under the fork 
crown for the daruma bolt.

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Re: [RBW] Hozan Bottom Bracket Tapping Tool

[Nick Payne]

Hozan make both piloted and non-piloted BB taps (part numbers C-405 and 
C-402 respectively). The piloted taps are far superior, as they ensure that 
the left and right BB threads are co-axial and square to each other.

You can find pretty cheap piloted taps for chasing BB threads on Aliexpress 
(eg https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803775069380.html). Probably OK for 
home use, but I have no idea of the quality.

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[RBW] Re: Question - when did derailleurs become "mechs"?

[Nick Payne]

It's an English term for derailleurs that's been around for decades. I can 
remember seeing it in English cycling magazines in the 1970s when I first 
became interested in cycling.

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[RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Nick Payne]

I fitted VO 700 x 63mm mudguards (they actually measure 63.5mm wide) to my 
Appaloosa. They just fit with only a fraction of a millimetre clearance 
each side where they pass between the fork blades - I fitted plastic frame 
protector dots on the inside of the fork blades each side to prevent the 
paint being worn off by the fender. 

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[RBW] Re: The Riv goes "Spinal Tap"

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 9:11:13 am UTC+11 Drew Saunders wrote:

The hub on the Ibis is 8/9/10 only, but I may convert it to 2x10 next rainy 
season.


The Shimano 11-34 11s cassettes fit fine on 8/9/10-speed HG hubs. As do all 
the larger 11s MTB cassettes. The bracing angle of the spokes means that 
the large cog on those cassettes can sit further inwards than the large cog 
on smaller cassettes, so they are made with the large cog overhanging to 
the inside, and will fit on the older hubs. If you fit one of those 
cassettes to a hub intended for 11s road cassettes, you need to fit a 1.8mm 
spacer on the inside of the cassette, or the lockring will bottom out 
before it has tightened on the cassette.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Nick Payne]

Your FD needs to be lowered a fair bit. At the point of closest approach, 
there should be only about 2mm clearance between the top of the chainring 
teeth and the outside derailleur cage as it passes over the teeth. I have 
doubts about the experience of your "experience" mechanic if he positioned 
the FD where your photo shows it. Making that change will mean that the 
cage won't have to move so far outboard to get the chain onto the big ring. 
And if you're only using two chainrings, fitting an FD intended for a 
double rather than a triple would also improve things. The sculpting of the 
cage on a triple FD is intended for use with chainrings where there is a 
reasonably large jump in the number of teeth between the granny and middle 
chainrings, and a considerably smaller jump between the middle and outer 
chainrings.

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[RBW] Re: any bike photos of bikes with the Dia compe 980's?

[Nick Payne]

On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 2:45:51 am UTC+11 JohnS wrote:
Nick, that's one clean Appaloosa! Did you just give it a refurb? I'm in the 
process of giving my QB one.

No, the bike has been sitting in my back room for a while as all my cycling 
lately has been unloaded riding on other bikes. I find that the Appaloosa 
is too stoutly built for unloaded riding - I have other bikes with frames 
made from skinnier, lighter gauge tubing that I prefer in that situation.

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Re: [RBW] Seat Post Slippage

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 27 January 2023 at 12:57:25 pm UTC+11 Paul M wrote:
My recent Susie calls for a 26.8 seatpost but with the stock Kalloy 
seatpost there is a fair amount of play. I had a 27.0 Kalloy seatpost that 
fit snug and solved the problem. I'm not sure a Nitto 26.8 seatpost would 
have solved the problem for this frame.

I found the same on the Appaloosa frame I purchased a couple of years back 
- the 26.8 Kalloy post that came with the frame was a slightly loose fit in 
the seat tube with the binder bolt slackened off. I measured the post with 
my calipers, and it was accurately to size, so I bought a 27.0 Nitto S65 
post from Blue Lug, and used an expanding reamer in the seat tube until the 
27.0 post was a exact fit with no slop and no binding.

Nick 

  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Nick Payne]

If you want fenders to actually catch the maximum amount of spray when it's 
raining and/or the roads are wet, then metal fenders with a rolled edge, a 
la Honjo or Berthoud, do a better job of minimising the amount of spray 
that comes out the side of the fenders than do the plastic fenders.

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[RBW] Re: Tanaka 68mm fenders on a Joe Appa?

[Nick Payne]

They're not going to fit through the fork without a bit of work to narrow 
them where they pass through. I have the VO 63mm fenders on my Appaloosa 
(they actually measure 63.5mm), and there's only a fraction of a millimetre 
clearance each side where they pass between the fork blades - I fitted 
plastic frame protector dots on the inside of the fork blades each side to 
prevent the paint being worn off by the fender.

The rear should fit OK, but it will probably need an indentation on the 
drive side just above the chainstay to clear the chain when in your lowest 
gear. The VO 63mm fenders come with this indentation already done, but 
looking at the Tanaka fenders on the Soma website, I couldn't see that they 
are similarly treated.

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Re: [RBW] bottom bracket toubleshooting trivia

[Nick Payne]

I always chase and face BB shell threads before installing a bottom 
bracket. Almost universally I find there is some misalignment and/or 
distortion that the taps and facing cutters correct. Even custom frames 
from well-known builders benefit from having this done.

Ditto for the reaming of the head tube and fork crown.

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[RBW] Re: Very short reach drop bar, not too wide, gives a relatively normal hood position, and has anormal (not anatomic) bend?

[Nick Payne]

The Nitto Fairweather M174AA bar has 75mm reach, and comes in widths from 
380mm to 460mm. 25.4mm clamp diameter.

https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-m174aa-all-road-bar-silver.html

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 9 December 2022 at 10:12:54 am UTC+11 jackd...@gmail.com wrote:

> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I believe) 
> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>  is the best Riv 
> has done. 
>

Ditto on the Bleriot. Mine is the favourite of the Rivendell's I have. The 
frames were built by Maxway, I believe. I notice when browsing their 
website that they now offer stainless steel touring frames, in both disc 
and cantilever brake versions:
https://www.maxway-cycles.com/Y15T01-700C-Touring-Frame.html
https://www.maxway-cycles.com/Y13R02-StainlessSteel-Touring-Frame.html

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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Nick Payne]

On Saturday, 3 December 2022 at 2:24:41 pm UTC+11 Scott wrote:

> John, the Atlantis I purchased new from Riv last month takes a 31.8 clamp 
> FD. Yours is a 28.6? They must have changed along the way?
>

I think you'll find your Atlantis seat tube is 28.6mm diameter (AKA 1⅛"). 
That's what the Riv website says.

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[RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

[Nick Payne]

You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 
2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather 
than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely 
worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are 
coaxial and parallel when installed.

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Re: [RBW] Your Favorite V-Brake Pads?!

[Nick Payne]

Ditto on the Kool Stop City pads in salmon. That's what I'm using with the 
V-brakes on my Appaloosa. As Steven says, they're short enough that they 
don't hit the fork blades when opening the brake for wheel removal, making 
it easy to drop out a fat-tyred wheel without deflating the tyre.

http://www.koolstop.com/english/city%20threaded.html

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 24 November 2022 at 7:44:57 am UTC+11 John Hawrylak wrote:

>
> Interesting comparison between the Open and the Rivendell.   
>
> Are you using seatposts with the same amount of seatpost setback on the 
> Romulus and the Open???The STA for a 61cm/Large frame are very close
> Romulus   72° - Open   71.5°
>

Yes, pretty much. A Ritchey seatpost on the Open and a Nitto on the 
Romulus, but the setback looks much the same on both. Berthoud leather 
saddles on both. 

>
> Also, do you notice any difference in handling/riding due to the slightly 
> larger BBD on the Romulus?
> Romulus  77mmOpen  70mm
>

I can't say that BB drop is something that I've ever noticed as affecting 
handling. I used to race a Klein Quantum which had 64mm BB drop, and I've 
had that up and down the same mountains as the Rivendells with 80mm BB 
drop. The handling on both is fine.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Weathered brass bell

[Nick Payne]

I think the Viva brass hammer bells are uncoated and weather quite nicely.
[image: image-85-600x600[1].jpeg]

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Ride

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 18 November 2022 at 2:18:11 pm UTC+11 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>  Look at a modern gravel bike like the Open UPPER (which Jan Heine praises 
> as the ideal "all road" bike --- to the point where they're going to sell a 
> special Rene Herse edition of it on their website) and the differences are 
> even more stark. With 700c wheels and a 40mm tire, you're looking at a 
> trail of 69mm, which is going to give a slowish handling that's worlds away 
> from what a Rivendell has. Couple that with a steep seat tube and high BB 
> there's no way it will ride like a Rivendell. Even with 650B wheels that 
> bike still has a trail of 63mm, which is great for high speed fire road 
> descents but isn't going to ride on pavement with the agility that you'll 
> find in any of the Rivs.
>

As someone who actually owns an Open UPPER, in addition to four Rivendells 
(one custom and three off-the-shelf), plus a few other bikes, I have to say 
this is nonsense. I normally ride the Open as a road bike with Bon Jon Pass 
700x35 tyres, and I've had both it and the Rivendells up and down winding 
mountain passes without feeling any shortcoming in the handling of any of 
them. When I plug HTA and fork rake into the trail calculator at 
http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php, there's little difference:

Rivendell Romulus geometry: 
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/04.html. For the 61cm frame I 
have, with 35mm tyres the 73° HTA and 42.5mm rake gives 63mm of trail.

Open geometry: https://opencycle.com/updates/more-u-p--info---geometry. For 
the L size I have, 35mm tyres with 72.5°HTA and 50mm rake gives 58mm trail.

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[RBW] Re: Fork Crack!

[Nick Payne]

I had a tandem fork repaired where the crown had cracked. The builder (not 
the original builder of the tandem) heated the crown enough so that he 
could remove the steerer and fork blades, cleaned them up, and fitted a new 
fork crown.

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[RBW] Re: Chain Jam

[Nick Payne]

I'd say that your middle chainring is probably quite worn, to the point 
where the teeth refused to let go of the bottom run of the chain and 
carried it up and around until it jammed under the derailleur and top run 
of chain. As to how to avoid it, replace chainrings before they get to that 
point of wear. I can't see that using an 11-speed chain on older chainrings 
can cause a problem, as the width of the rollers has not changed as the 
number of speeds has increased (at least up to 11-speed). Leonard Zinn 
explains it here: 
https://www.velonews.com/gear/tech-faq-chain-width-explained-compatibility-queries-answered/
.

I have unused chainrings dating all the way back to 6- and 7-speed days, 
the width of the teeth on them is no different to that on modern 
chainrings, and I've run 11-speed chains on the older rings without any 
problem. 13-speed Campagnolo Ekar is the only groupset I have where the 
internal chain width and chainring tooth width have both been decreased 
from the widths of fewer speed setups.

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Re: [RBW] Book Recommendation

[Nick Payne]

There's also a good documentary on her: "Who is Dervla Murphy". I rented it 
and watched it a while ago. Worth the money. The trailer is here: 
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/dervlamurphy.

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE = NEW TA CRANK REMOVER

[Nick Payne]

49d / 93 / 99 are all Stronglight (not TA) crank models, and they use a 
different extractor thread size. See here: 
https://steintool.com/portfolio-items/stronglight-and-ta-crank-extractors/.

On Tuesday, 23 August 2022 at 3:25:32 am UTC+10 Charlie wrote:

> used to remove TA cranks #49d-93-99 with 23mm threads 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 6:06:48 am UTC+10 aeroperf wrote:

> I tried the Schwalbe Marathon 622x37 at 65 psi for a year.  It was like 
> riding through mud
>

There are multiple different models that Schwalbe call Marathon. Have a 
look here: https://www.schwalbe.com/en/city-tour - there are a dozen 
different models that are Marathon , and there's quite a 
difference between those models. And even within the one model, they make 
different versions intended either for tubeless or tubed use. For example, 
I have Marathon Plus on my commuter, which are extremely puncture resistant 
but very stiff and don't give a very pleasant ride, whereas I have Marathon 
Almotion on my touring bike, which are a much nicer feeling tyre to ride on.

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Nick Payne]

So far as Rivendell models go, I have:

A Riv custom frame from late last century
A Romulus
A Bleriot
An Appaloosa

If I could only keep one, it would probably be the Bleriot, as the closest 
thing to an all-round bike.

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[RBW] Re: Piriformis - Help!

[Nick Payne]

On Saturday, 6 August 2022 at 1:26:16 am UTC+10 George Schick wrote:

> Interestingly, I have either B-17's or a Flyer on all but one of my bikes 
> and I ride them without issue.  The 4th one, however, has a Team Pro, 
> probably the narrowest of the Brooks saddles and whenever I ride that one I 
> begin to develop similar problems, probably piriformis or related.  
> Similarly, in the past when I switched one of the B-17's out for a B-17 
> Narrow I rode it for a couple hundred miles and just could not get past the 
> same kind of discomfort as with the Team Pro.  So, there may indeed be 
> something to this saddle type, width, etc. issue.


I have B-17s on a couple of bikes, but over the last few years I've started 
using the Berthoud Vars/Aubisque/Mente saddles on new bikes that I build. 
The Vars/Aubisque/Mente have exactly the same top (5mm wider than B-17),  
and I find them most comfortable saddles I've ever sat on. In descending 
order of price, the Vars has Ti rails and can be disassembled if parts need 
replacing, the Aubisque is the same but with stainless steel rails, the 
Mente also has stainless steel rails but the top is riveted on.

XXCycle seems to have about the best price on them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: High bars at a club ride

[Nick Payne]

I dislike flat handlebars so much that back in the days when I had an MTB, 
I took the flat bars off it and substituted drop bars after the first 
couple of rides. Drop bars offer multiple different hand positions, which I 
find very useful on long rides: 

   1. holding the straight section of the bar each side of the stem
   2. hands on the curve of the bars behind the brake levers 
   3. hands on the brake hoods with the body of the lever between thumb and 
   forefinger
   4. top of the lever hood hooked into the base of my palm, with my 
   forearms resting on the bars behind the lever
   5. on the drops
   
When I'm riding away from traffic, I probably spend more time in position 4 
than any of the others. I have the tops of the bars pretty level with the 
saddle.

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[RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Nick Payne]

I have the Tektro R556/R559 (the only difference between the two is that 
the R559 has a lock on the quick release lever) on three bikes, and the 
braking is fine on all of them. On one bike I have Shimano R400 brake 
levers, another one has SRAM Force double-tap integrated shift/brake 
levers, and the third has TRP RRL levers.

On all three I swapped out the provided pads for Koolstop salmon city pads: 
http://www.koolstop.com/english/city%20threaded.html.

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Re: [RBW] Clem L Paint Crisis

[Nick Payne]

I'll second the nail varnish suggestion. Several of my bikes (including a 
Riv custom with a Joe Bell paint job) have repairs to the paintwork that 
I've done with nail varnish - on some of them the varnish has been there 
the best part of 20 years, and is still protecting the frame.

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[RBW] Re: Which rims did Rivendell endorse in the early days?

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 6:11:06 am UTC+10 Fullylugged wrote:

> Rams shipped as completes with non machined Arraya rims. Grant touted them 
> as longer lasting due to thicker wall material than machined.


Yes, the Romulus that I bought about 20 years ago came with Araya RC-540 
rims.

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[RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Nick Payne]

I've raced on and off for ~40 years, and when I was still working, I quite 
frequently used to roll up for the 6am training rides with the local racing 
cyclists on the Bleriot that I commuted on, complete with mudguards and 
Carradice camper longflap saddlebag containing my work clothes, lunch, etc 
- the bike did have drop handlebars, though. I was amused one morning when 
I rotated off after taking a pull on the front to hear one of the younger 
riders asking "Who's the old bloke with the bag on the back?".

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[RBW] Re: Hub sounds in Kraftwerk's Tour de France: 1983 and 2003

[Nick Payne]

Back in 2015 Kraftwerk played a gig at the TdF *Grand Depart* in Utrecht.

There's an interview in *Rolling Stone* with Ralf Hütter where he talks 
about their long association with cycling: 
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kraftwerk-on-cycling-3d-spiritual-connection-to-detroit-56548/
.

My favourite Kraftwerk album, though, is not *Tour de France Soundtracks*, 
but *Trans-Europe Express*.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dealing with wind

[Nick Payne]

I grew up in Perth, Western Australia, which is certainly the windiest city 
in Australia and probably somewhere up there on a world basis (I think 
Wellington in New Zealand is generally regarded as taking the prize for 
that). During late summer and autumn in Perth, we often get strong easterly 
winds in the morning, gradually dying away, and then strong south-westerly 
winds in the afternoon. I can vividly recall one particular job I had for a 
couple of years where the relative location of home and work meant that I 
was plugging into the easterlies when riding to work in the morning, and 
into the south-westerlies when riding home in the afternoon.

Even the pedestrians have problems with the wind in Perth. The high rise 
buildings in the city centre create a wind tunnel, and it's not that 
uncommon for pedestrians to be blown off their feet.

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[RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[Nick Payne]

I only use tubeless setup on the one bike that I regularly ride several 
times each week. On other bikes, which might spend several weeks at a time 
hanging up and not being ridden, I don't set them up as tubeless, even if 
they have tubeless-compatible tyres and rims, because while the bikes are 
not being ridden, the sealant sits in the lowest part of the tyres and 
gradually becomes a solid plug at that point. I could pull each bike down a 
couple of times a week and rotate the tyres, but it's simpler to keep them 
as tubed.

I guess this is only a problem if, like me, you have too many bikes...

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[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Nick Payne]

The freewheel mechanisms in my hubs vary from Onyx (completely silent), 
through Shimano (fairly quiet), DT Swiss (not so quiet), to Hope (pretty 
loud). But I can't say that I really think about or notice hub noise when 
I'm riding. I really only notice it when I'm servicing bikes in the garage.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto 26.8 seatposts

[Nick Payne]

I think the S67 is the black version of the S65. I prefer the S83 (aka 
Frog), with its two bolt setup vs the single bolt of the S65/67. It's much 
easier to make fine adjustments to the saddle angle with the S83.

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[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

[Nick Payne]

I find my Hope hubs (quite noisy when freewheeling) are useful on 
bikepaths. When approaching pedestrians from behind, a quick freewheel is 
usually enough to get their attention without having to ring my bell.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem or other chainstay protection

[Nick Payne]

My experience is that the clear stick-on plastic chainstay protection lasts 
for decades without visible deterioration. My late 90s Riv custom came with 
one installed, and it's still in place without visible damage - in fact 
it's very hard to see unless you look closely. And on my Bleriot, as well 
as chainstay protection, I also fitted some protection along the top tube, 
because the bare brake cable runs at about 2 o'clock along there and my leg 
presses it into the tube whenever I stop at an intersection. So I protected 
the paintwork shortly after I started riding the bike (about 15 years ago) 
by sticking some transparent plastic along the top tube where the cable 
would rub, and it similarly is pretty much invisible unless I point it out 
to people.

I didn't buy the stick-on frame protector kits that bike shops sell. I went 
to a motorbike shop and bought several sheets of the 3M film intended for 
paint protection (each sheet was about 12" x 15") and cut the sizes and 
shapes I wanted from that. I still have a couple of the sheets left, 
waiting to be used.

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[RBW] Re: What saddles are women using on their Riv mixtes?

[Nick Payne]

After having tried quite a number of different saddles over the years, my 
wife has the Selle Italia Lady Gel flow saddle (in the 160mm wide L size) 
on all her bikes: https://www.selleitalia.com/en/saddles/lady-gel-flow-s/.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions for a looooong saddlebag stand-off, ~120 mm long?

[Nick Payne]

That setup of mine is pretty quick release. Takes about 15 seconds to 
unhook the Voile straps and enlarge their loop so that the bag can be 
detached from the support, and slightly longer to hook them up when 
re-installing.

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[RBW] Re: Onyx hubs from Rivendell in 135 rim brake flavor

[Nick Payne]

>From looking at the Riv website, they show the newer model Onyx Vesper 
hubs, which are lighter and have smaller narrower sprags than their 
original models. However, I have seen a few messages on various MTB forums 
from users who have had problems with these newer hubs. I've had a pair of 
the older model hubs for several years, and no problems with them.

I believe that Onyz do still sell the original model hub as well as the new 
one.

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[RBW] Re: Hub Play

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday, 27 January 2022 at 6:36:02 am UTC+11 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I remember in the very early years of Riv that Grant mentioned Bullseye 
> hubs do this and to basically ignore it. Until I've done a 
> *lot *more riding..ignore it I shall. 
>

I have some Bullseye hubs that are now almost 40 years old, and they have 
exhibited this play since new, and still exhibit it to much the same 
degree. I replace the 6001 bearings in them every few years. There is much 
the same play in the Bullseye roller bearing bottom brackets, of which I 
still have a couple in use. If you grab the crankarms and waggle them, some 
small amount of play can be detected, and could be detected even when the 
BBs were brand new.

Of the cartridge bearing hubs that I have, only the White Industries and 
Onyx hubs have adjusting collars that would allow for correct preload to be 
set if the deep groove radial bearings were replaced with angular contact 
bearings.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] ISO Frame Saver.

[Nick Payne]

According to this test, Fluid Film works best: 
https://www.mtbr.com/threads/anti-corrosion-product-shootout.1073581/.

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[RBW] Re: Which side cutters?

[Nick Payne]

I'm quite happy with the pair of Pedros that I've had for many years.

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