Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I have worked with a bear trainer (on set) that brought a half grizzly half brown bear that refused to eat meat. He told me that he has encountered one other that was vegetarian. There are no absolutes... On Saturday, November 8, 2014 12:04:01 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: Humans, like bears, pigs, and rats, are omnivores. A true carnivore cannot move its jaw from side to side to grind its food. There are monogastric herbivores, like horses and rabbits. Using cows' guts to prove humans must be carnivores is rhetoric, not science. http://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/BIO309-OC-3.8.1-Comparison-of-Digestive-Systems-FINAL.pdf Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
This is what I don't see. Corn came to North America even later than to middle America, yet the better part of two whole continents built flourishing civilizations on corn and a couple of other vegetables (those were the dietary basis, though of course they ate other things. Much of the rest of SA built theirs on potatoes. And per the 1491 theorists, who give good evidence, these cultures were not far behind Europe in just their material sophistication and population numbers. When I say built on corn I mean just that. Corn was for the Hopi (I know this second hand, since my brother is close to the Hopi) what an icon is to the Orthodox, or perhaps even what icons and the Eucharist are to the Orthodox. You don't do that if your diet is making you chronically sick for hundreds of years. There are 24 Federally recognized tribes in NM; all of these (the Navajo by trade) ate diets largely composed of maize. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Grant Petersen eatbacondont...@gmail.com wrote: But carbs (in mass qty) came to Africans and Native Americans and Mexicans and some others much later, and they have not had time to adapt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Because such things show ideological fervor and not scientific dispassion. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:35:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that even this has been turned into a theory and a diet. Appalled? Why would you be appalled? Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
1491 was an amazing read. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I'm not a nutritionist, but I do practice medicine if that counts for anything. In medicine when there is a disease that has many different possible treatments it indicates we really don't have a good treatment yet, or we don't understand the disease very well yet. I think this is why there are so many conflicting thoughts on the best diet, and suggests that nutrition is really complicated and we don't have a full understanding of it yet. At least not in a way that we can recommend one diet for all people on one hand, or specific, individualized diets on the other hand. If we have figured out nutrition, then we would know it and there would be much less controversy. I don't know, but my guess is the answer lies in our individual genetics, which can vary widely, so a one-size-fits-all approach will probably never work. Perhaps in the future when we really figure out nutrition we will be able to suggest a diet based on an individual's genome. Certainly there is nothing wrong with trying different dietary approaches in the meantime. Till then at least there is something we can all agree on: Just Ride, right? :) Aaron Please don't ever call me Dr. unless it's Dr. Squirrel Young The Dalles, OR On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 06:45 Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Because such things show ideological fervor and not scientific dispassion. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:35:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that even this has been turned into a theory and a diet. Appalled? Why would you be appalled? Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I, for one, am grateful Eat Bacon Don't Jog has been written. I happen to be one of those folks who simply cannot handle a high-carb diet. I come from a family with rampant diabetes - both types - and though I'm only 33 and NOT overweight, my lab results revealed prediabetes last month. Clearly, carbs affect me. The dr was concerned with the high cholesterol, (I have really high HDL AND elevated LDL) and started lecturing about fatty foods. New, high-quality research talks about high cholesterol as a direct result of high blood glucose - not fatty foods. I pointed that out, but he didn't seem to want to hear about THAT. He didn't even care about my on-the-edge A1C! I told him I would NOT be put on a statin and that I'm making some changes and he can re-evaluate in 3 months. I reject candy/baked goods/ sugar outright now, and I stick with high-fat foods instead. I don't worry about salt. I'm taking coconut oil in my coffee or out of the jar, and if I do decide to incorporate a small amount of rice or potato in a meal, I swallow 2 T diluted unfiltered, organic apple cider vinegar, which has a Metforamin-type effect on blood glucose. Ideally, I'd never consume these foods, but for now, I'm limiting them and using the cider vinegar. If that has to change in the future, I'm sure I'll get there. For now, all these other changes are about what I can handle. My understanding of the corn issue is that corn today is not what it was back then. Maybe that is an explanation for how early American cultures we able to sustain themselves on a high-corn diet. I don't know. Also, I do know that Egypt was one of the first, if not THE first civilization with a high-carb/grain diet and scientists have observed massive heart and vessel disease in them. Which, as we now know, high carbs = heart disease as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Leah, please don't be offended, but you started off with high-carb diet. I don't think high-anything diet can be good for anybody. The only high thing that is good for any of us is high activity. Like going for a bike ride. I just got home from 30 miles and finished with that tough climb back into my neighborhood. On Saturday, November 8, 2014 10:36:32 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote: I, for one, am grateful Eat Bacon Don't Jog has been written. I happen to be one of those folks who simply cannot handle a high-carb diet. I come from a family with rampant diabetes - both types - and though I'm only 33 and NOT overweight, my lab results revealed prediabetes last month. Clearly, carbs affect me. The dr was concerned with the high cholesterol, (I have really high HDL AND elevated LDL) and started lecturing about fatty foods. New, high-quality research talks about high cholesterol as a direct result of high blood glucose - not fatty foods. I pointed that out, but he didn't seem to want to hear about THAT. He didn't even care about my on-the-edge A1C! I told him I would NOT be put on a statin and that I'm making some changes and he can re-evaluate in 3 months. I reject candy/baked goods/ sugar outright now, and I stick with high-fat foods instead. I don't worry about salt. I'm taking coconut oil in my coffee or out of the jar, and if I do decide to incorporate a small amount of rice or potato in a meal, I swallow 2 T diluted unfiltered, organic apple cider vinegar, which has a Metforamin-type effect on blood glucose. Ideally, I'd never consume these foods, but for now, I'm limiting them and using the cider vinegar. If that has to change in the future, I'm sure I'll get there. For now, all these other changes are about what I can handle. My understanding of the corn issue is that corn today is not what it was back then. Maybe that is an explanation for how early American cultures we able to sustain themselves on a high-corn diet. I don't know. Also, I do know that Egypt was one of the first, if not THE first civilization with a high-carb/grain diet and scientists have observed massive heart and vessel disease in them. Which, as we now know, high carbs = heart disease as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Ron, I'm not offended. High carb diet is what we have in the USofA and that is what I'm referring to. Doctors have been saying the high-carb diet is great - been saying it for decades, and we see that it is not. Low-fat, lots of grains, low-fat pasta and rice, it's all been touted as superior to saturated fat. I hold a bachelor's of science in nursing, and am a registered nurse and that is very much what was pushed. (I've since hung up my stethescope in favor of raising kiddos, but I doubt this has drastically changed.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
ok - thanks On Saturday, November 8, 2014 11:07:10 AM UTC-6, LeahFoy wrote: Ron, I'm not offended. High carb diet is what we have in the USofA and that is what I'm referring to. Doctors have been saying the high-carb diet is great - been saying it for decades, and we see that it is not. Low-fat, lots of grains, low-fat pasta and rice, it's all been touted as superior to saturated fat. I hold a bachelor's of science in nursing, and am a registered nurse and that is very much what was pushed. (I've since hung up my stethescope in favor of raising kiddos, but I doubt this has drastically changed.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
There is plenty of science to back up the Daniel Diet. I think you take issue because a group of people got their diet's name and inspiration from the Bible. I doubt you are appalled by the names of diets derived from non-Christian entities (ex. Paleo). What if they got their name and inspiration from the Navajo Indians? Would you be appalled? I seriously doubt it. Matt On Saturday, November 8, 2014 6:45:05 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Because such things show ideological fervor and not scientific dispassion. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:35:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that even this has been turned into a theory and a diet. Appalled? Why would you be appalled? Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
There are many plants that have naturally developed toxins so that insects won’t eat them. A plant “that even a bug has the sense not to eat” isn’t necessarily bad. —Eric “Not Genetically Modified” N P.S. Many insects have themselves developed toxins that make them unpalatable to other insects. Monarch butterfly, for example. On Nov 7, 2014, at 10:07 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:09:30 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can wreak havoc on health. And to take this a step further what about Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO)? Sure, this can help to avoid pesticides, but why should I eat grains that even a bug has the sense to NOT eat? I am in no way a Paleo (or whatever they call themselves) but this bothers me to no end. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Humans, like bears, pigs, and rats, are omnivores. A true carnivore cannot move its jaw from side to side to grind its food. There are monogastric herbivores, like horses and rabbits. Using cows' guts to prove humans must be carnivores is rhetoric, not science. http://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/BIO309-OC-3.8.1-Comparison-of-Digestive-Systems-FINAL.pdf Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
That is true Eric but you are comparing apples to oranges. I was referring to GMO. A GMO or genetically modified organism is created by merging the DNA from different species to create an organism; plant, animal, bacteria or virus which cannot be produced in nature or through traditional crossbreeding. Matt On Saturday, November 8, 2014 11:06:29 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: There are many plants that have naturally developed toxins so that insects won’t eat them. A plant “that even a bug has the sense not to eat” isn’t necessarily bad. —Eric “Not Genetically Modified” N P.S. Many insects have themselves developed toxins that make them unpalatable to other insects. Monarch butterfly, for example. On Nov 7, 2014, at 10:07 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:09:30 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can wreak havoc on health. And to take this a step further what about Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO)? Sure, this can help to avoid pesticides, but why should I eat grains that even a bug has the sense to NOT eat? I am in no way a Paleo (or whatever they call themselves) but this bothers me to no end. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
True, but simply saying that we shouldn't eat any plant (grain) that an insect won't eat is a much broader statement, and covers plants with naturally occurring defenses. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Nov 8, 2014, at 12:28 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: That is true Eric but you are comparing apples to oranges. I was referring to GMO. A GMO or genetically modified organism is created by merging the DNA from different species to create an organism; plant, animal, bacteria or virus which cannot be produced in nature or through traditional crossbreeding. Matt On Saturday, November 8, 2014 11:06:29 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: There are many plants that have naturally developed toxins so that insects won’t eat them. A plant “that even a bug has the sense not to eat” isn’t necessarily bad. —Eric “Not Genetically Modified” N P.S. Many insects have themselves developed toxins that make them unpalatable to other insects. Monarch butterfly, for example. On Nov 7, 2014, at 10:07 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:09:30 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can wreak havoc on health. And to take this a step further what about Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO)? Sure, this can help to avoid pesticides, but why should I eat grains that even a bug has the sense to NOT eat? I am in no way a Paleo (or whatever they call themselves) but this bothers me to no end. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
OK, perhaps I will retract the annoyed and leave only the amused. For the record, I am a practicing Orthodox Christian and I am quite ready to believe Daniel -- that is, to believe that the book, Daniel, accurately relates what happened to the prophet, Daniel. I just find the gee whiz!!! factor on the websites that popped up first when I googled Daniel and diet, hoping to get the scriptural reference -- well, again, let's just say I find them amusing. No, I do not take offense because the putative source is the Bible. Please, *please* believe me when I tell you that I am *not* a conventional liberal! On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 10:31 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: There is plenty of science to back up the Daniel Diet. I think you take issue because a group of people got their diet's name and inspiration from the Bible. I doubt you are appalled by the names of diets derived from non-Christian entities (ex. Paleo). What if they got their name and inspiration from the Navajo Indians? Would you be appalled? I seriously doubt it. Matt On Saturday, November 8, 2014 6:45:05 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Because such things show ideological fervor and not scientific dispassion. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:35:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that even this has been turned into a theory and a diet. Appalled? Why would you be appalled? Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself?
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
True omnivores find a Moscow Mule, made with good vodka and real ginger beer, a Very Good Thing after a nice bosque ride on the Fargo. (Even if they are Orthodox Christians.) (Mblmblmblmbl, Amen.) On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Humans, like bears, pigs, and rats, are omnivores. A true carnivore cannot move its jaw from side to side to grind its food. There are monogastric herbivores, like horses and rabbits. Using cows' guts to prove humans must be carnivores is rhetoric, not science. http://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/BIO309-OC-3.8.1-Comparison-of-Digestive-Systems-FINAL.pdf Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I didn't say that. I was specifically referring to GMO's. At least I thought I was. Oh well ... lets move on. Matt On Saturday, November 8, 2014 2:20:22 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: True, but simply saying that we shouldn't eat any plant (grain) that an insect won't eat is a much broader statement, and covers plants with naturally occurring defenses. Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Nov 8, 2014, at 12:28 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: That is true Eric but you are comparing apples to oranges. I was referring to GMO. A GMO or genetically modified organism is created by merging the DNA from different species to create an organism; plant, animal, bacteria or virus which cannot be produced in nature or through traditional crossbreeding. Matt On Saturday, November 8, 2014 11:06:29 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: There are many plants that have naturally developed toxins so that insects won’t eat them. A plant “that even a bug has the sense not to eat” isn’t necessarily bad. —Eric “Not Genetically Modified” N P.S. Many insects have themselves developed toxins that make them unpalatable to other insects. Monarch butterfly, for example. On Nov 7, 2014, at 10:07 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:09:30 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can wreak havoc on health. And to take this a step further what about Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO)? Sure, this can help to avoid pesticides, but why should I eat grains that even a bug has the sense to NOT eat? I am in no way a Paleo (or whatever they call themselves) but this bothers me to no end. Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
What? It’s just getting fun. —Eric “Half Gallon of Organic Milk in the Fridge” N On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:03 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Oh well ... lets move on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Humans are omnivores, of course. I hesitate to say THIS, but if we evolved from apes, and it's understandable that we'd have some ape-like features--like a sideways-moving jaw, and eyeballs in front. Right now and for the last 200,000 years, our digestive system looks more like a dog's than an ape's, though. I don't know how to address the using cows guts to prove humans must be carnivores, but proving that humans are (must be) carnivores wasn't my point. My point--I maybe didn't make it well--was that we have a digestive system that is ideally suited to digesting low-fiber, nutrient-dense foods, and are underequipped to do the same to high fiber or cellulose-based foods. There is SOME science SOMEWHERE in there. Omnivores that have eaten considerable plants for a long enough time have also evolved the ability to fermentin a large cecum; but our vestigial cecum--the appendix---doesn't do that. It could well be that humans are the only discovered animals to have a digestive apparatus that's ill-suited to the food we (in general) eat, but it is at least as likely that, being omnivores, we have evolved the ability to survive on foods that don't match up with our digestive system. I was a vegetarian for 18 years, ending in 1988. That is irrelevant, but as a matter of fact... Anyway. this topic is better suited to my new book email, which is gr...@eatbacondontjog.com. The books is short--like JUST RIDE--and it's probably a bad use of time for me to try to comment or answer stuff here, culling arguments that I have already made in the book. I don't think V's are idiots. My youngest daughter remains one (a vegetarian, that is), and I'm up to my sideways-moving jaw in vegan and vegetarian friends, and the topic nev-R comes up. Since I don't need the last word...can we agree to wrap this up on this forum by, say, Monday Noon? Whatevs- On Saturday, November 8, 2014 12:04:01 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote: Humans, like bears, pigs, and rats, are omnivores. A true carnivore cannot move its jaw from side to side to grind its food. There are monogastric herbivores, like horses and rabbits. Using cows' guts to prove humans must be carnivores is rhetoric, not science. http://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/BIO309-OC-3.8.1-Comparison-of-Digestive-Systems-FINAL.pdf Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
H. I will have to ask my dentist next time I see her if cavities can, in fact, “vanish.” That would be wonderful. —Eric On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Some cavities even vanished. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
My dentist made some cavities disappear by installing crowns. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Many of the issues brought up here are addressed (I address them) in the book. Not to say that my addressing them carves them into even limestone, but the book can speak for itself and me, and I'd hate for somebody to hear ketosis or diabetes and assume that I'm wacky on either of those. I think entres No. 82-83-84 make a compelling argument for a nutrient-dense low-carb diet. One of those, summed up, goes like this: We have a digestive system nearly identical to the digestive system of every carnivore. It's a simple, one-stomach chamber system (monogastric). It lacks the enzymes and complexity needed to digest cellulose, the structural component of plants---which isn't to say we don't digest any of them, but we cannot digest cellulose without the enzyme cellulase, and we carnivores make at most just tiny amounts of that. Herbivores digest cellulose by fermenting it. In a ruminant (cow, deer), the first stomach chamber is the biggest, and its purpose is fermenting the roughage, breaking it down. Then it gets belched up and chewed again as a cud, mixed with more enzymes ...then is swallowed and sent through more machinery that we don't have, and after a long trip thru the large intestine, additional digestion by fermentation takes place in the cecum. Apes have a cecum, because they eat roughage and need it. Our appendix is a devolved/atrophied cecum. It's about as big around as a ball point pen or a fat pencil, and is two to six inches long, typically, and its chamber is narrow...and food can get in there, but sometimes doesn't get out, and then we get appendicitis or something else. The point is, over the nearly 3 million years of evolution, from ape to Homo whatever, a diet largely of heinous meat has allowed our digestive system to reconfigure to what it is now: Carnivoristic. It's so much like a dog's. People've been eating plants in large quantities for at most 11,000 years. Middle easterners have the longest exposure to carbs, and as a defense, they've evolved saliva with a higher concentration of amylase in it, which predigests the starch before it triggers a huge glucose response. But carbs (in mass qty) came to Africans and Native Americans and Mexicans and some others much later, and they have not had time to adapt. It's not a white-and-black difference, though---the high amylase spit is still no match for the juices an processes an herbivore has to digest roughage. And even with all that roughage-digesting machinery, the digestion is so incomplete that they have to eat constantly to fuel themselves for even the most lazy lives (in the case of a cow). And they poop constantly, to make room for more food. They're digesting machines, but inefficient ones at that. A human on a high-fiber/plant-based diet is at a serious disadvantage. We've evolved the ability to communicate, but throw into that mix the influences of marketing and commerce and ego and all that, and it's no wonder we're confused. My book has no original thoughts, thank goodness. I didn't cogitate on stuff and make sense of it in my head before putting it on paper and declaring it truth. The information is out there and has been out there for decades. The past twenty years or so have taught us a lot more, and now the level of understanding how it works is quite high. There are ethical arguments on both sides, and I address some of those, too. Maybe all of them. But for me, it comes down to this: People and the animals fed by people are the only animals on earth that eat food that is incompatible with their digestive system. Many, not all, of the problems we have are nearly unique to people, and some of those problems might be related to eating funky food. In the book I try to simplify things. Since I'm simple - minded, it came natural to me. At eatbacondontjog.com I show fantastic food fotos of some actual meals. Many contain leaves...even though I don't thoroughly digest them. On that site you'll also see we have an anagram contest going. Scroll down a few posts. Kind of fun. eatbacondontjog.com G On Friday, November 7, 2014 2:37:06 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote: H. I will have to ask my dentist next time I see her if cavities can, in fact, “vanish.” That would be wonderful. —Eric On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Some cavities even vanished. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
On Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:35:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that even this has been turned into a theory and a diet. Appalled? Why would you be appalled? Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Believing that carbs are the sole or even primary cause of obesity requires you to completely disregard the bulk of humanity that exists on a high carb diet and yet is healthy. I follow a lot of nutrition websites, including several run by folks with PhD's in the biological sciences and who do professional research in nutrition and obesity. They say that nobody in the relevant scientific community takes Taube's theory seriously. Research reportedly shows that low-carb and low-fat diets have equally dismal results at one year out. These same scientists admit that some people do seem to benefit from a low-carb diet but it is very far from a requirement. In fact, one of the most well respected bloggers (she wrote a well loved criticism of The China Studay and it's call for a vegan or vegetarian diet) presented a talk in which she found that among diabetics, a low-carb diet controls the systems but a low-fat diet (10% fat and primarily vegetarian) actually CURES diabetes. My favorite blogger is a guy named Stephan Guyenet. He's an obesity researcher and his theory is that it's simply a calorie surplus that is caused by a combination of factors. Excess refined carbs are definately one of them but his primary emphasis is food palatability, which theorizes that certain combinations of fat, salt, sugar and refined carbohydrates alters our neurological appetite regulation, causing us to overeat. Our horrible food environment is also noted as a culprit. His personal recommendation is a diet of whole foods (a good idea that few could argue with and that most diets incorporate) with an emphasis on starches and vegetables with smaller amounts of animal proteins.just like the blue zone people who have the highest longevity rates in the world. It's way more complex than just carbs. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:00:36 PM UTC-6, Evan wrote: Jay Hartman: I, too, have asked that question: Namely, if I'm already slender and healthy and reasonably fit, would a low-carb, high-fat diet make me healthier still? Perhaps it would. And perhaps Grant's book will help to explain. In the meantime, I think Gary Taubes said something to the effect of this: If you're fat, carbs did it. If you're not fat, you're not fat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Gary Taubes writes a book. Somebody who doesn't agree says It's way more complex than just carbs Stephan Guyenet wirtes a blog. Somebody who doesn't agree says. It's way more complex than just calories in vs calories out Both critics are factually correct in saying it's more complex than just one thing. But neither of those two writers claim that it's just one thing. I'll check out Stephan Guyenet, and I liked the tasteless liquid post, but I don't see how that's in any way counter to Gary Taubes. When I read Taubes book, it made me want to eat less pizza, and cut out soda entirely. Now I snack on nuts instead of Doritos. I don't think Guyenet would tell me I made a bad decision. There's a lot more common ground than people make it out to be. Both would say eat less garbage. The thing that Taubes critics seem to consistently miss is Taubes entire argument is based not on carbs, but on genetics. Everything about the diet you need to find for yourself is you developing a workaround for the genetic hand you were dealt. Some people eat lots of carbs and stay skinny, because their genetic hand allows it. Good for them. You should only expect to get the same results as that person if you copy their diet and their genetics. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Thanks for posting this, Chris. My own guiding principle in such matters is nil novum sub sole and my guiding rule is that any theory (in diet as in other matters) that purports to be radically different will go away within a decade. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Believing that carbs are the sole or even primary cause of obesity requires you to completely disregard the bulk of humanity that exists on a high carb diet and yet is healthy. I follow a lot of nutrition websites, including several run by folks with PhD's in the biological sciences and who do professional research in nutrition and obesity. They say that nobody in the relevant scientific community takes Taube's theory seriously. Research reportedly shows that low-carb and low-fat diets have equally dismal results at one year out. These same scientists admit that some people do seem to benefit from a low-carb diet but it is very far from a requirement. In fact, one of the most well respected bloggers (she wrote a well loved criticism of The China Studay and it's call for a vegan or vegetarian diet) presented a talk in which she found that among diabetics, a low-carb diet controls the systems but a low-fat diet (10% fat and primarily vegetarian) actually CURES diabetes. My favorite blogger is a guy named Stephan Guyenet. He's an obesity researcher and his theory is that it's simply a calorie surplus that is caused by a combination of factors. Excess refined carbs are definately one of them but his primary emphasis is food palatability, which theorizes that certain combinations of fat, salt, sugar and refined carbohydrates alters our neurological appetite regulation, causing us to overeat. Our horrible food environment is also noted as a culprit. His personal recommendation is a diet of whole foods (a good idea that few could argue with and that most diets incorporate) with an emphasis on starches and vegetables with smaller amounts of animal proteins.just like the blue zone people who have the highest longevity rates in the world. It's way more complex than just carbs. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:00:36 PM UTC-6, Evan wrote: Jay Hartman: I, too, have asked that question: Namely, if I'm already slender and healthy and reasonably fit, would a low-carb, high-fat diet make me healthier still? Perhaps it would. And perhaps Grant's book will help to explain. In the meantime, I think Gary Taubes said something to the effect of this: If you're fat, carbs did it. If you're not fat, you're not fat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the greatest of these is money. * * -- George Orwell, Keep The Apidistra Flying* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
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Incidentally, remembering the story in Daniel about the captives turning away the rich meats offered by the king and turning out healthier than everyone else on a diet of legumes, I was amused and appalled to see that even this has been turned into a theory and a diet. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for posting this, Chris. My own guiding principle in such matters is nil novum sub sole and my guiding rule is that any theory (in diet as in other matters) that purports to be radically different will go away within a decade. On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Believing that carbs are the sole or even primary cause of obesity requires you to completely disregard the bulk of humanity that exists on a high carb diet and yet is healthy. I follow a lot of nutrition websites, including several run by folks with PhD's in the biological sciences and who do professional research in nutrition and obesity. They say that nobody in the relevant scientific community takes Taube's theory seriously. Research reportedly shows that low-carb and low-fat diets have equally dismal results at one year out. These same scientists admit that some people do seem to benefit from a low-carb diet but it is very far from a requirement. In fact, one of the most well respected bloggers (she wrote a well loved criticism of The China Studay and it's call for a vegan or vegetarian diet) presented a talk in which she found that among diabetics, a low-carb diet controls the systems but a low-fat diet (10% fat and primarily vegetarian) actually CURES diabetes. My favorite blogger is a guy named Stephan Guyenet. He's an obesity researcher and his theory is that it's simply a calorie surplus that is caused by a combination of factors. Excess refined carbs are definately one of them but his primary emphasis is food palatability, which theorizes that certain combinations of fat, salt, sugar and refined carbohydrates alters our neurological appetite regulation, causing us to overeat. Our horrible food environment is also noted as a culprit. His personal recommendation is a diet of whole foods (a good idea that few could argue with and that most diets incorporate) with an emphasis on starches and vegetables with smaller amounts of animal proteins.just like the blue zone people who have the highest longevity rates in the world. It's way more complex than just carbs. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:00:36 PM UTC-6, Evan wrote: Jay Hartman: I, too, have asked that question: Namely, if I'm already slender and healthy and reasonably fit, would a low-carb, high-fat diet make me healthier still? Perhaps it would. And perhaps Grant's book will help to explain. In the meantime, I think Gary Taubes said something to the effect of this: If you're fat, carbs did it. If you're not fat, you're not fat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
While I'm not quite lean and racy, I've never been overweight in 57 years - I see friends all around me leaning out to gaunt with new diets while other friends slide into type II diabetes. My sister has become a food nazi and preaches carb evils to anyone who will listen - her residual cravings have not improved her mood or judgment. A 53-y-o gentleman uphill from me died of a heart-attack this weekend - going for a walk. I have a friend from high school I used take hiking and wade-fishing - I don't do it any more because last time I was afraid he was going to pass on my watch. I still vote for all things in moderation and keep getting stronger on your bike. I;m going to eat my kolache now. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:28:22 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: I forgot to add that my mother has controlled type 2 diabetes and heart disease for 25 years by cutting back on fats and sugars and eating, again, rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. She didn't get diabetes and heart disease by eating rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. We buy her long grain rice in 50 lb bags at Costco. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Once again, let's not forget that millions, if not billions, of people lived and live healthily -- at least, free of diseases endemic to modern Western diets -- by eating largely grains, vegetables, and a little fish and meat. The Japanese are not known for diabetes, heart disease, obesity, or short lives. My mother has lived for 91 years largely on white rice and very little fat. This does not mean that a high fat, high protein diet won't help some people, but it does mean that a high fat, high protein diet is not needed by everyone. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jason Hartman rjason...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: No, not at all. The last time it was checked, my good cholesterol was 100 and my bad was 130. I love sardines, and fish in general. I just haven't given up on carbs. Would it make a difference? That is what I want to know. Is this a diet just for people who are overweight? Or with health problems in general? Curious minds and all that. Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: wrote: If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote: Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this diet? Is there any other benefit to be had? Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ern...@gmail.com wrote: I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book changed my life. Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and more!) eating the endurance athelete's dinner of pasta. I no longer eat pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. About food for sub24O - I would take some hard cheese, Framani Chorizo and canned oysters. Probably some raw veggies too - like carrots or cherry tomatoes. Not sure why Grant does not love kale - perhaps he's never tried this kale salad: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/RCP02206/Tuscan-Kale-Salad.html I adopted the change after watching friends and family suffer from diabetes and related conditions. Never had a big problem keeping the weight off - but it's sure a lot easier now. I guess my only difficulty transitioning was with potassium. I get terrible leg cramps when I don't consume enough potassium. Before going low carb, I used to control this by eating a few bananas each week. After going low carb, nothing seemed to work. Tried V8 juice. Tried potassium supplements. No help. Then I discovered there are 800 mg of potassium in a large russet. Now I eat a large, baked russet (lots of butter) every three weeks or so. No more cramps. Good luck. And let us know how it goes. Corwin On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:24:52 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I'll throw one other variable into this conversation. Environmentally speaking, meat production in this country (and others) has a terrible cost. Yes, there are options for those who can afford it, to buy organic, make sure the animals are treated humanely and not pumped with antibiotics, etc. etc. That ability/luxury feels like a really smug 1st world problem to me. I'm no longer a vegetarian but I've largely kept to a very meat lite diet because I personally feel it's irresponsible not to. Kind of similar to my car lite lifestyle. That's my choice. But I also try to keep an eye on all components of my diet included simple carbs which are quite bad as well. Moderation! I guess I'm the contrarian who at almost 48, avoids bacon and is about to run his first marathon. I'm 5'6 and 140 lbs. with no health issues (knock on wood). On a biking note...my power output since getting back into running has really been noticeable. I'm riding most everything in the big ring which is kind of fun. Regards, Addison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology http://www.washoeschools.net/aact *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”* Educator: Professional Portfolio http://addisonwilhite.blogspot.com/ Blogger: Reno Rambler http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/ Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: While I'm not quite lean and racy, I've never been overweight in 57 years - I see friends all around me leaning out to gaunt with new diets while other friends slide into type II diabetes. My sister has become a food nazi and preaches carb evils to anyone who will listen - her residual cravings have not improved her mood or judgment. A 53-y-o gentleman uphill from me died of a heart-attack this weekend - going for a walk. I have a friend from high school I used take hiking and wade-fishing - I don't do it any more because last time I was afraid he was going to pass on my watch. I still vote for all things in moderation and keep getting stronger on your bike. I;m going to eat my kolache now. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:28:22 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: I forgot to add that my mother has controlled type 2 diabetes and heart disease for 25 years by cutting back on fats and sugars and eating, again, rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. She didn't get diabetes and heart disease by eating rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. We buy her long grain rice in 50 lb bags at Costco. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote: Once again, let's not forget that millions, if not billions, of people lived and live healthily -- at least, free of diseases endemic to modern Western diets -- by eating largely grains, vegetables, and a little fish and meat. The Japanese are not known for diabetes, heart disease, obesity, or short lives. My mother has lived for 91 years largely on white rice and very little fat. This does not mean that a high fat, high protein diet won't help some people, but it does mean that a high fat, high protein diet is not needed by everyone. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jason Hartman rjason...@gmail.com wrote: No, not at all. The last time it was checked, my good cholesterol was 100 and my bad was 130. I love sardines, and fish in general. I just haven't given up on carbs. Would it make a difference? That is what I want to know. Is this a diet just for people who are overweight? Or with health problems in general? Curious minds and all that. Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote: Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this diet? Is there any other benefit to be had? Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ern...@gmail.com wrote: I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book changed my life. Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and more!) eating the endurance athelete's dinner of pasta. I no longer eat pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. About food for
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
The problem you describe, Addison, is not with meat itself, but with modern animal husbandry practices, which largely are the result of feeding animals grain rather than their natural diet of grass and wild foraging. Hormones and antibiotics and pesticides are not generally needed for grass fed animals, and they get to live life on the open range. Proper grazing practices actually help promote strong plant growth and prevent the arid-ization of land. These practices are easily and cheaply implemented in third world countries. You are right, that current grain-fed meat costs less than grass fed. This is because our nation has a highly subsidized (and thus false) grain economy. Get ride of grain subsidies and prices are at parody. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:35:02 AM UTC-7, Addison wrote: I'll throw one other variable into this conversation. Environmentally speaking, meat production in this country (and others) has a terrible cost. Yes, there are options for those who can afford it, to buy organic, make sure the animals are treated humanely and not pumped with antibiotics, etc. etc. That ability/luxury feels like a really smug 1st world problem to me. I'm no longer a vegetarian but I've largely kept to a very meat lite diet because I personally feel it's irresponsible not to. Kind of similar to my car lite lifestyle. That's my choice. But I also try to keep an eye on all components of my diet included simple carbs which are quite bad as well. Moderation! I guess I'm the contrarian who at almost 48, avoids bacon and is about to run his first marathon. I'm 5'6 and 140 lbs. with no health issues (knock on wood). On a biking note...my power output since getting back into running has really been noticeable. I'm riding most everything in the big ring which is kind of fun. Regards, Addison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology http://www.washoeschools.net/aact *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”* Educator: Professional Portfolio http://addisonwilhite.blogspot.com/ Blogger: Reno Rambler http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/ Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Committee http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: While I'm not quite lean and racy, I've never been overweight in 57 years - I see friends all around me leaning out to gaunt with new diets while other friends slide into type II diabetes. My sister has become a food nazi and preaches carb evils to anyone who will listen - her residual cravings have not improved her mood or judgment. A 53-y-o gentleman uphill from me died of a heart-attack this weekend - going for a walk. I have a friend from high school I used take hiking and wade-fishing - I don't do it any more because last time I was afraid he was going to pass on my watch. I still vote for all things in moderation and keep getting stronger on your bike. I;m going to eat my kolache now. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:28:22 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: I forgot to add that my mother has controlled type 2 diabetes and heart disease for 25 years by cutting back on fats and sugars and eating, again, rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. She didn't get diabetes and heart disease by eating rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. We buy her long grain rice in 50 lb bags at Costco. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote: Once again, let's not forget that millions, if not billions, of people lived and live healthily -- at least, free of diseases endemic to modern Western diets -- by eating largely grains, vegetables, and a little fish and meat. The Japanese are not known for diabetes, heart disease, obesity, or short lives. My mother has lived for 91 years largely on white rice and very little fat. This does not mean that a high fat, high protein diet won't help some people, but it does mean that a high fat, high protein diet is not needed by everyone. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jason Hartman rjason...@gmail.com wrote: No, not at all. The last time it was checked, my good cholesterol was 100 and my bad was 130. I love sardines, and fish in general. I just haven't given up on carbs. Would it make a difference? That is what I want to know. Is this a diet just for people who are overweight? Or with health problems in general? Curious minds and all that. Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday,
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Och! Parity. Good catch! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Jay Hartman: I, too, have asked that question: Namely, if I'm already slender and healthy and reasonably fit, would a low-carb, high-fat diet make me healthier still? Perhaps it would. And perhaps Grant's book will help to explain. In the meantime, I think Gary Taubes said something to the effect of this: If you're fat, carbs did it. If you're not fat, you're not fat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this diet? Is there any other benefit to be had? Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote: I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book changed my life. Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and more!) eating the endurance athelete's dinner of pasta. I no longer eat pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. About food for sub24O - I would take some hard cheese, Framani Chorizo and canned oysters. Probably some raw veggies too - like carrots or cherry tomatoes. Not sure why Grant does not love kale - perhaps he's never tried this kale salad: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/RCP02206/Tuscan-Kale-Salad.html I adopted the change after watching friends and family suffer from diabetes and related conditions. Never had a big problem keeping the weight off - but it's sure a lot easier now. I guess my only difficulty transitioning was with potassium. I get terrible leg cramps when I don't consume enough potassium. Before going low carb, I used to control this by eating a few bananas each week. After going low carb, nothing seemed to work. Tried V8 juice. Tried potassium supplements. No help. Then I discovered there are 800 mg of potassium in a large russet. Now I eat a large, baked russet (lots of butter) every three weeks or so. No more cramps. Good luck. And let us know how it goes. Corwin On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:24:52 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote: Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this diet? Is there any other benefit to be had? Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ern...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book changed my life. Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and more!) eating the endurance athelete's dinner of pasta. I no longer eat pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. About food for sub24O - I would take some hard cheese, Framani Chorizo and canned oysters. Probably some raw veggies too - like carrots or cherry tomatoes. Not sure why Grant does not love kale - perhaps he's never tried this kale salad: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/RCP02206/Tuscan-Kale-Salad.html I adopted the change after watching friends and family suffer from diabetes and related conditions. Never had a big problem keeping the weight off - but it's sure a lot easier now. I guess my only difficulty transitioning was with potassium. I get terrible leg cramps when I don't consume enough potassium. Before going low carb, I used to control this by eating a few bananas each week. After going low carb, nothing seemed to work. Tried V8 juice. Tried potassium supplements. No help. Then I discovered there are 800 mg of potassium in a large russet. Now I eat a large, baked russet (lots of butter) every three weeks or so. No more cramps. Good luck. And let us know how it goes. Corwin On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:24:52 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
A canned sardine, Roquefort, coconut and yogurt omelette is its own reward. Knock it back with a steaming mug of ghee tea and world is your, err... oyster. Jeff I Test My Blood with a Gränsfors Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 5:59:25 PM UTC-8, jay hartman wrote: Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this diet? Is there any other benefit to be had? Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ern...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book changed my life. Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and more!) eating the endurance athelete's dinner of pasta. I no longer eat pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. About food for sub24O - I would take some hard cheese, Framani Chorizo and canned oysters. Probably some raw veggies too - like carrots or cherry tomatoes. Not sure why Grant does not love kale - perhaps he's never tried this kale salad: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/RCP02206/Tuscan-Kale-Salad.html I adopted the change after watching friends and family suffer from diabetes and related conditions. Never had a big problem keeping the weight off - but it's sure a lot easier now. I guess my only difficulty transitioning was with potassium. I get terrible leg cramps when I don't consume enough potassium. Before going low carb, I used to control this by eating a few bananas each week. After going low carb, nothing seemed to work. Tried V8 juice. Tried potassium supplements. No help. Then I discovered there are 800 mg of potassium in a large russet. Now I eat a large, baked russet (lots of butter) every three weeks or so. No more cramps. Good luck. And let us know how it goes. Corwin On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:24:52 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
No, not at all. The last time it was checked, my good cholesterol was 100 and my bad was 130. I love sardines, and fish in general. I just haven't given up on carbs. Would it make a difference? That is what I want to know. Is this a diet just for people who are overweight? Or with health problems in general? Curious minds and all that. Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote: Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this diet? Is there any other benefit to be had? Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ern...@gmail.com wrote: I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book changed my life. Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and more!) eating the endurance athelete's dinner of pasta. I no longer eat pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. About food for sub24O - I would take some hard cheese, Framani Chorizo and canned oysters. Probably some raw veggies too - like carrots or cherry tomatoes. Not sure why Grant does not love kale - perhaps he's never tried this kale salad: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/RCP02206/Tuscan-Kale-Salad.html I adopted the change after watching friends and family suffer from diabetes and related conditions. Never had a big problem keeping the weight off - but it's sure a lot easier now. I guess my only difficulty transitioning was with potassium. I get terrible leg cramps when I don't consume enough potassium. Before going low carb, I used to control this by eating a few bananas each week. After going low carb, nothing seemed to work. Tried V8 juice. Tried potassium supplements. No help. Then I discovered there are 800 mg of potassium in a large russet. Now I eat a large, baked russet (lots of butter) every three weeks or so. No more cramps. Good luck. And let us know how it goes. Corwin On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:24:52 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
On 11/04/2014 09:06 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more. I think he's referring to HDL LDL, as for example in this quote: Although your doctor may have told you to lower your total cholesterol, *it's important to raise your high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol, which is known as the good cholesterol.* It might sound like a mixed message, but reducing bad low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol and increasing HDL cholesterol may lower your risk of heart disease. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Once again, let's not forget that millions, if not billions, of people lived and live healthily -- at least, free of diseases endemic to modern Western diets -- by eating largely grains, vegetables, and a little fish and meat. The Japanese are not known for diabetes, heart disease, obesity, or short lives. My mother has lived for 91 years largely on white rice and very little fat. This does not mean that a high fat, high protein diet won't help some people, but it does mean that a high fat, high protein diet is not needed by everyone. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: No, not at all. The last time it was checked, my good cholesterol was 100 and my bad was 130. I love sardines, and fish in general. I just haven't given up on carbs. Would it make a difference? That is what I want to know. Is this a diet just for people who are overweight? Or with health problems in general? Curious minds and all that. Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote: Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this diet? Is there any other benefit to be had? Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ern...@gmail.com wrote: I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book changed my life. Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and more!) eating the endurance athelete's dinner of pasta. I no longer eat pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. About food for sub24O - I would take some hard cheese, Framani Chorizo and canned oysters. Probably some raw veggies too - like carrots or cherry tomatoes. Not sure why Grant does not love kale - perhaps he's never tried this kale salad: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/RCP02206/Tuscan-Kale-Salad.html I adopted the change after watching friends and family suffer from diabetes and related conditions. Never had a big problem keeping the weight off - but it's sure a lot easier now. I guess my only difficulty transitioning was with potassium. I get terrible leg cramps when I don't consume enough potassium. Before going low carb, I used to control this by eating a few bananas each week. After going low carb, nothing seemed to work. Tried V8 juice. Tried potassium supplements. No help. Then I discovered there are 800 mg of potassium in a large russet. Now I eat a large, baked russet (lots of butter) every three weeks or so. No more cramps. Good luck. And let us know how it goes. Corwin On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:24:52 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners
Re: [RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I forgot to add that my mother has controlled type 2 diabetes and heart disease for 25 years by cutting back on fats and sugars and eating, again, rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. She didn't get diabetes and heart disease by eating rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. We buy her long grain rice in 50 lb bags at Costco. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Once again, let's not forget that millions, if not billions, of people lived and live healthily -- at least, free of diseases endemic to modern Western diets -- by eating largely grains, vegetables, and a little fish and meat. The Japanese are not known for diabetes, heart disease, obesity, or short lives. My mother has lived for 91 years largely on white rice and very little fat. This does not mean that a high fat, high protein diet won't help some people, but it does mean that a high fat, high protein diet is not needed by everyone. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: No, not at all. The last time it was checked, my good cholesterol was 100 and my bad was 130. I love sardines, and fish in general. I just haven't given up on carbs. Would it make a difference? That is what I want to know. Is this a diet just for people who are overweight? Or with health problems in general? Curious minds and all that. Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: If good cholesterol means low cholesterol then you are likely not improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates of altzheimer's, MS, and more. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote: Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even consider this diet? Is there any other benefit to be had? Jay Hartman. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin ern...@gmail.com wrote: I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were posted on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. That book changed my life. Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and more!) eating the endurance athelete's dinner of pasta. I no longer eat pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. About food for sub24O - I would take some hard cheese, Framani Chorizo and canned oysters. Probably some raw veggies too - like carrots or cherry tomatoes. Not sure why Grant does not love kale - perhaps he's never tried this kale salad: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/RCP02206/Tuscan-Kale-Salad.html I adopted the change after watching friends and family suffer from diabetes and related conditions. Never had a big problem keeping the weight off - but it's sure a lot easier now. I guess my only difficulty transitioning was with potassium. I get terrible leg cramps when I don't consume enough potassium. Before going low carb, I used to control this by eating a few bananas each week. After going low carb, nothing seemed to work. Tried V8 juice. Tried potassium supplements. No help. Then I discovered there are 800 mg of potassium in a large russet. Now I eat a large, baked russet (lots of butter) every three weeks or so. No more cramps. Good luck. And let us know how it goes. Corwin On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:24:52 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To
[RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls outside the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to delete. I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses and follows. I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I guess): Anyone follow a similar diet? Your general experiences? Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the transition period? Difficulties? What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or overnight? Thanks, David Chicago -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
I started a low carb diet in fall 2011. I found giving up my sugar addiction quite dramatic, but bacon helped. I lost 12 lbs. My blood numbers improved,: triglycerides went from 230 to 70, LDL from 36 to 54, LDL remained unchanged so my total cholesterol actually increased.. I eat no sugars in the mornings, typically eggs veges meat coffee. I eat plenty of full fat dairy handfulls of almonds daily. I never drink sweet drinks (but am having a German beer per day on this trip). Cheating is allowed every day some days I choose not to. Hunger is very different, no longer a desperate crash. I carry nuts jerky during aerobic exercise. I no longer honk, just begin to wind down until fat levels are topped off. Two friends joined me with this new diet have had more dramatic results. I have become strongly convinced that sugar is highly addictive and toxic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] OT (grant-related, not Riv-related): lo-carb, high fat protein, ketosis, c.
Stoopid autocorrect... HDL is now in the 50s. And I no longer bonk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
