[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis, 59cm, MIT with Rainbow Bar, Complete, $2800

[David Mierzwik]

Reducing this to $2,400 since it seems more in line with other complete 
pricing.  Also, it's 59cm, not 59".  I'm guessing no one was confused by 
this, but just for clarification.
Thanks, David

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 6:36:14 PM UTC-7 David Mierzwik wrote:

> Rivendell Atlantis, 59”, MIT, purchased in June 2022
>
> Price: $2,800
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-atlantis-59cm-2022/7764740783.html
>  
>
> Atlantis has around 2,000 miles on it.  Frame is in very good conditions, 
> aside from a few minor nicks, which I’ve tried to capture in the pictures 
> below.
>
> Price includes the SON28 Dynamo front hub, but not the lights and the 
> light wiring.
>
> Here are the build details:
>
> Atlantis MIT Frame, 59”
>
> Velocity Cliffhanger wheels (hand built) with SON28 dynamo front hub, 
> Rivendell Silver rear hub
>
> Rene Herse Antelope Hill tires, 700c x 55mm, currently running tubeless
>
> XT 2 x 11 cranks, 28-38
>
> XT Cassette, 11-46
>
> XT front and rear derailleurs
>
> XT Rapid Fire shifters
>
> XTR bottom bracket
>
> DuraAce chain
>
> DXR linear pull brakes and levers
>
> Nitto Tallux stem, 100mm
>
> Rivendell Bosco Bars with ESI silicone grips
>
> Berthoud Aubisque Leather Saddle
>
> MKS Monarch pedals
>
> Let me know if you’re interested or have any questions.
>
> Thanks, David
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[lconley]

I was going to buy a frame and ended up with a complete bike - purple 54.5. 
I like the crank and the wheels (slotted high flange hubs).

I am going to make a no shift two speed. Was it the Riv Simpleone that had 
a similar setup? I have a WI 16-19 rear freewheel and an MCS 35 tooth 
chainring. I will remove the 26 and the chainguard from the crank, move the 
38 to the outer position and install the 35 at the inner position. That 
gives me two gears that use the same chain length so the wheel/brake 
position should be the same after manually loosening the rear hub and 
repositioning the chain. Two South Florida gears -> 38-16 (66") for riding 
with the wind and 35-19 (51") for riding against the wind, preserving the 
simple appearance of a single speed.

I have Grip Monarch pedals with wings (and pins) - Panda - silver body with 
black outers (I do have some purple Deity TMACs though). Saddle will be a 
Brooks B68 (black or honey). The green accent levers will exchanged for the 
all silver Tektro Mountain levers on my green Rosco Bubbe V1 (green and 
purple just seems weird to me). The headset will be replaced with a NeedL 
BlastR as I do on almost all of my bikes. Bars will initially be VO 
Klunkers (nickel plated) on either the original or 135mm Nitto Faceplater 
stem (short legs, long torso). OGK finger groove grips. Seatpost will be 
replaced with a Nitto S83.

I do have some yellow brake housing hanging on the wall

Laing Conley
Delray Beach FL



On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 2:26:28 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I chose the Silver.  
>
> I'm sold on the entire build concept, so mine will have a stock 
> silhouette.  I am on the tall end of the PBH range for a 54.5 and on the 
> short end of the PBH range for the 58, so I chose the 58 and I'll keep the 
> stock choco bars.  I'll slam the faceplater stem, and if that's still too 
> high I'll run something else.  Slammed is always a cool look.  I will run 
> eggplant Newbaums on the reach part of the bars, and likely some thin 
> purple MTB grips, like Wolf Tooth Karv, or maybe a lock-on variant.  I 
> recently picked up a used Fizik Arione saddle in metallic silver, so I'll 
> throw that on to start.  I have a black B-17 that could go on there 
> instead.  
>
> I'll keep the stock chainrings on the new Silver cranks, and I'll pick a 
> front derailleur from my box, with a DT shifter from my shifter holdings. 
>  I'll probably start out with the stock 16T freewheel, and will use my 
> already modified Suntour XC Pro Short cage rear Der as the tensioner.  It's 
> already modified to support a DOS/ENO freewheel: I turn the barrel adjuster 
> and it moves to the other cog.  If I use that feature I'll have my choice 
> between a 16/19 or a 20/22 that I have on-hand.  
>
> I've got a few different flat pedals on-hand but will probably snatch the 
> Crust/MKS Sylvan Gordito off another bike in the stable.  I'll run a Nitto 
> Campee 27F rack + basket assembly.  My teal Swift Sugarloaf bag will clash, 
> so that will be the required bit of WABISABI.  Add a couple King Cages and 
> I'm all set.  If the complete comes with a kickstand I'll run it.  I 
> already have the stubby version of the Affinity ratcheting 15mm wrench, so 
> I'm set there.  
>
> I will endeavor to be the first Riv Customer to ride their RoadUno to the 
> summit of Mount Diablo.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 10:26:45 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?
>>
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.
>>>
>>> jared in SC, CA
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
 from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
 below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
 offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
 parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things 
> around. 
>  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on 
>> the silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint 

[RBW] Re: Help ID paint

[matt miller]

I got a couple an offline comment about fingernail polish. I did already 
try that. 
Mr. Schwinn has been super helpful since I posted this, and I've got some 
of this paint headed my way!

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:16:42 AM UTC-5 matt miller wrote:

> Hi all,
> I picked up a canti Homer a couple years ago. Been lovely. Anyway, I've 
> been trying to find a little touch-up paint due to a mishap. I did reach 
> out to Waterford. Although I did get lucky and get the spec sheet, I was 
> surprised to find out that that the original build was Homer blue with 
> calipers. So turns out the original owner got it built, then shipped it off 
> to get more work done. 
>
> Before I take the bike to an auto repair shop, I thought I'd ask the hive 
> mind. Richard Schwinn said that some folks had this frame painted "Charcoal 
> Silver" after it was built. I'm guessing someone else here owns a bike like 
> that, or has seen it before.
>
> Examples:
> [image: Riv-detail.jpg]
> [image: Riv-serial.jpg]
>
> Thanks,
> Matt in STL 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

['timothy petersen' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I suppose too a longer top tube helps. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 12, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:I have been riding a Joe Appa with Albatross' on maybe a 9cm Technomic with bar end shifters, and I REALLY noticed this when I first started riding the bike.  I was legitimately concerned about low speed crashes based on bar/knee interference in slow, tight turns.  I've mostly gotten used to it, but I'm swapping to a Chocomoose with thumb shifters when I get up the gumption.DougOn Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 12:16 PM 'peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:Very nice.  With the albatross bars have you had issues with your knee striking the bar end on tight turns?  On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 10:07:01 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:Hey Robert, Wow, what a beauty you've built up! I love your 'smiles to miles' metric, and I'm sure you'll find that will remain consistent throughout your life with this bike. Enjoy!Cheers, JohnOn Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:Congrats Robert! That's a beautiful bike!




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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

I chose the Silver.  

I'm sold on the entire build concept, so mine will have a stock silhouette. 
 I am on the tall end of the PBH range for a 54.5 and on the short end of 
the PBH range for the 58, so I chose the 58 and I'll keep the stock choco 
bars.  I'll slam the faceplater stem, and if that's still too high I'll run 
something else.  Slammed is always a cool look.  I will run eggplant 
Newbaums on the reach part of the bars, and likely some thin purple MTB 
grips, like Wolf Tooth Karv, or maybe a lock-on variant.  I recently picked 
up a used Fizik Arione saddle in metallic silver, so I'll throw that on to 
start.  I have a black B-17 that could go on there instead.  

I'll keep the stock chainrings on the new Silver cranks, and I'll pick a 
front derailleur from my box, with a DT shifter from my shifter holdings. 
 I'll probably start out with the stock 16T freewheel, and will use my 
already modified Suntour XC Pro Short cage rear Der as the tensioner.  It's 
already modified to support a DOS/ENO freewheel: I turn the barrel adjuster 
and it moves to the other cog.  If I use that feature I'll have my choice 
between a 16/19 or a 20/22 that I have on-hand.  

I've got a few different flat pedals on-hand but will probably snatch the 
Crust/MKS Sylvan Gordito off another bike in the stable.  I'll run a Nitto 
Campee 27F rack + basket assembly.  My teal Swift Sugarloaf bag will clash, 
so that will be the required bit of WABISABI.  Add a couple King Cages and 
I'm all set.  If the complete comes with a kickstand I'll run it.  I 
already have the stubby version of the Affinity ratcheting 15mm wrench, so 
I'm set there.  

I will endeavor to be the first Riv Customer to ride their RoadUno to the 
summit of Mount Diablo.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 10:26:45 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.
>>
>> jared in SC, CA
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
>>> from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
>>> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
>>> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
>>> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
 above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
 getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
 delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
 you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
 only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things 
 around. 
  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>
> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
> now, and I endorse it.  
>
> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
> Silver 
> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
> the 
> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
>> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. 
>> I 
>> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming 
>> V-brake I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

[Doug Van Cleve]

I have been riding a Joe Appa with Albatross' on maybe a 9cm Technomic with
bar end shifters, and I REALLY noticed this when I first started riding the
bike.  I was legitimately concerned about low speed crashes based on
bar/knee interference in slow, tight turns.  I've mostly gotten used to it,
but I'm swapping to a Chocomoose with thumb shifters when I get up the
gumption.

Doug


On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 12:16 PM 'peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch
 wrote:

> Very nice.  *With the albatross bars have you had issues with your knee
> striking the bar end on tight turns?*
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 10:07:01 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Robert,
>>
>> Wow, what a beauty you've built up! I love your 'smiles to miles' metric,
>> and I'm sure you'll find that will remain consistent throughout your life
>> with this bike. Enjoy!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats Robert! That's a beautiful bike!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day!

[jaredwilson]

Agreed with others statements, this bike is a stunner!

Congrats and here's to many happy years together.

jared in SC, CA

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 5:00:54 AM UTC-7 Andy Beichler wrote:

> That is beautiful!  I am pretty settled on the bikes I have now but that 
> periwinkle is calling to me.  
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:31:16 PM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I love the details. When you look deeper you see all the things that were 
>> deliberate choices and each of them has a reason behind why that part 
>> instead of another. It's an evolution of your cycling in its details.
>>
>> I said the same to Leah when she unveiled her little pony. Building a 
>> bike is telling a story about your path in bicycling. Your experiences 
>> shaped the choices and it's rewarding when you look at a part and it 
>> triggers all the memories of previous parts and bikes and rides that 
>> brought you to this component.  
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 10:02:47 PM UTC-4 watta...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I made the pilgrimage to Walnut Creek via Bart yesterday, my Sam was 
>>> waiting for me. I thought it would be romantic to ride home and get a 
>>> proper feel for my first Rivendell...and it WAS. Roman is a pleasure to 
>>> work with and he showed me some details of the bike. I didn't know this but 
>>> they give you some swag too:patch kit, allen tool, bandana, the new 
>>> seatpost diam. stickers etc...fun!
>>>
>>>
>>> Build details: I bought the Sam Hillborne to replace a Crust Romanceur 
>>> and moved most of the parts over. The low trail handling of the Romanceur 
>>> did not sit well with me, felt too unstable and quick descents felt 
>>> borderline dangerous requiring both hands on bars. I did need 700c wheels 
>>> so I kept with the Velocity Quills in case I go tubeless again. 
>>> *Hub sound is important to me, I have a White T11 that is very loud (too 
>>> loud for me) and would make sense (to me) on a proper road bike. But the 
>>> Sam (and the Crust) is my do most things bike, including low speed 
>>> neighborhood runs with my kids, errands, etc. A loud hub is a conversation 
>>> non-starter in these situations. I visited RBW earlier and really liked the 
>>> stock Velocity hub, louder than Deore but still quiet-ish, a classy sound 
>>> imo. Rich used one word to describe the Silvr hub.LOUD. I also have the 
>>> Velocity dynamo hub which Rich says is the same as the Kasai (which isn't 
>>> in stock atm.
>>> *Son light, paul cantis, White VBC cranks (44x30) albatross bars, a new 
>>> RBW front rack etc.
>>> Bike thoughts: Only 20 miles with some hills into it but I love the 
>>> stability! That was my main reason for selling the Crust and I love how the 
>>> Sam handles. With sweep back bars the handling can become too light but I 
>>> was able to ride hands free down small hills which I would never try on the 
>>> low trail Crust. YAY!! I will fine tune bar height; the stem is a Tallux 12 
>>> which is an error, we had decided on the 90-190 so Roman will have that 
>>> switched next week. I will try to post pics here but if not I will reply 
>>> with pics.
>>>
>>> I may change the eggplant bartape to olive or navy or grey. I'm open to 
>>> suggestions!
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to more time on the bike, thanks for reading!
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Ryan]

I'm curious to see what Bill will do with itwhat color?

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-5 jaredwilson wrote:

> Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.
>
> jared in SC, CA
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts 
>> from a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
>> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
>> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
>> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my 
>>> above "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about 
>>> getting the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price 
>>> delta is $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping 
>>> you pull your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I 
>>> only want to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
 silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  

 I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
 headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
 now, and I endorse it.  

 I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
 instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new 
 Silver 
 cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in 
 the 
 East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
> downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
> do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
> I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>
> Marty
>
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> .
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[nlerner]

In a moment of list-inspired weakness, I went for a Roaduno frameset, 
potentially to replace my Milwaukee Cycles single-speed that’ll fit a 30mm 
tire max without fenders (I really like riding single speed and wouldn’t 
mind doing it in the rain!). What I haven’t been able to figure out is the 
possible ship date of frames/bikes. Anyone have an idea?

Thanks,

Neal Lerner
Brookline MA

On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:40:14 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts from 
> a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
>> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
>> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
>> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
>> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
>> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>>
>>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
>>> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
>>> now, and I endorse it.  
>>>
>>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
 downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
 do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
 Sent from my iPhone

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 martin...@gmail.com> wrote:

 And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
 I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 

 Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[jaredwilson]

Here we go! Can't wait to see Bill's take on the 'Uno.

jared in SC, CA
On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:40:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts from 
> a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
> below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
> offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
> parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
>> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
>> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
>> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
>> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
>> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>>
>>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket 
>>> headbadge.  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right 
>>> now, and I endorse it.  
>>>
>>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the 
 downtube graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I 
 do particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
 Sent from my iPhone

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 martin...@gmail.com> wrote:

 And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake 
 I would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 

 Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno - Are you buying one?

[Bill Lindsay]

Two weeks ago I offered money and labor in exchange for all the parts from 
a complete Large Roaduno so that you could get the frame set for 
below-retail.  Nobody took me up on that, and I'm now withdrawing the 
offerbecause I went ahead and bought a 58 Complete.  So, I've got the 
parts kit I was looking for, and it comes with a frame set.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 5:06:56 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> New Email Newsletter all about the Roaduno is out.  So, based on my above 
> "offer", if you plan to buy a 58 or a 61.5 frame set, think about getting 
> the complete instead and letting me in on the parts.  The price delta is 
> $650.  My offer is $700 plus my personal expert labor in helping you pull 
> your complete together.  You'll get the frame a hair cheaper.  I only want 
> to do this if it's local, so we don't have to ship things around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:54:00 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The down tube graphics are exceptional.  I agree the purple "1" on the 
>> silver pops.  I'm hooked on the Saint Jump stickers.  
>>
>> I bought two different R05C0 8U883 bikes because of the rocket headbadge. 
>>  The Rosco Bubbe Road that I owned is available from CMR right now, and I 
>> endorse it.  
>>
>> I half want to convince one of you frame set buyers to get a complete 
>> instead so I can grab the parts kit.  I want a set of the svelte new Silver 
>> cranks (in 173) and the Saint Jump wheels are great too.  If you are in the 
>> East Bay hand-off range and want to do something, let me know.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 3:19:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Question to the group; anyone ever bought a bike solely for the downtube 
>>> graphics? Riv nailed it with this Roaduno at least in my book. I do 
>>> particularly like it on the silver but all three look good to me.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And I agree about the missing canti option. With the upcoming V-brake I 
>>> would have bit the bullet on a silver one myself. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day!

[Andy Beichler]

That is beautiful!  I am pretty settled on the bikes I have now but that 
periwinkle is calling to me.  

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:31:16 PM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> I love the details. When you look deeper you see all the things that were 
> deliberate choices and each of them has a reason behind why that part 
> instead of another. It's an evolution of your cycling in its details.
>
> I said the same to Leah when she unveiled her little pony. Building a bike 
> is telling a story about your path in bicycling. Your experiences shaped 
> the choices and it's rewarding when you look at a part and it triggers all 
> the memories of previous parts and bikes and rides that brought you to this 
> component.  
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 10:02:47 PM UTC-4 watta...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I made the pilgrimage to Walnut Creek via Bart yesterday, my Sam was 
>> waiting for me. I thought it would be romantic to ride home and get a 
>> proper feel for my first Rivendell...and it WAS. Roman is a pleasure to 
>> work with and he showed me some details of the bike. I didn't know this but 
>> they give you some swag too:patch kit, allen tool, bandana, the new 
>> seatpost diam. stickers etc...fun!
>>
>>
>> Build details: I bought the Sam Hillborne to replace a Crust Romanceur 
>> and moved most of the parts over. The low trail handling of the Romanceur 
>> did not sit well with me, felt too unstable and quick descents felt 
>> borderline dangerous requiring both hands on bars. I did need 700c wheels 
>> so I kept with the Velocity Quills in case I go tubeless again. 
>> *Hub sound is important to me, I have a White T11 that is very loud (too 
>> loud for me) and would make sense (to me) on a proper road bike. But the 
>> Sam (and the Crust) is my do most things bike, including low speed 
>> neighborhood runs with my kids, errands, etc. A loud hub is a conversation 
>> non-starter in these situations. I visited RBW earlier and really liked the 
>> stock Velocity hub, louder than Deore but still quiet-ish, a classy sound 
>> imo. Rich used one word to describe the Silvr hub.LOUD. I also have the 
>> Velocity dynamo hub which Rich says is the same as the Kasai (which isn't 
>> in stock atm.
>> *Son light, paul cantis, White VBC cranks (44x30) albatross bars, a new 
>> RBW front rack etc.
>> Bike thoughts: Only 20 miles with some hills into it but I love the 
>> stability! That was my main reason for selling the Crust and I love how the 
>> Sam handles. With sweep back bars the handling can become too light but I 
>> was able to ride hands free down small hills which I would never try on the 
>> low trail Crust. YAY!! I will fine tune bar height; the stem is a Tallux 12 
>> which is an error, we had decided on the 90-190 so Roman will have that 
>> switched next week. I will try to post pics here but if not I will reply 
>> with pics.
>>
>> I may change the eggplant bartape to olive or navy or grey. I'm open to 
>> suggestions!
>>
>> I'm looking forward to more time on the bike, thanks for reading!
>> Brian
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto Tallux (7cm, 26mm), Nitto S83 Seatpost, and Riv Cork Grips

[Sean B.]

Whoops, thanks Kai! I mistyped. It's an S84 Nitto Lugged seatpost. 

Kim, the seatpost is  27.2 x 250 

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 8:42:41 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Sean,
>
> What is the S83 seat post diameter ?
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:36:25 PM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> That’s an s84! Steel! Real! 
>> It’s considered as nicer than the s83 by most of the fine folks around 
>> here, so there, happy sales..
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:44:36 PM UTC-6 Sean B. wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Selling my Nitto seatpost, stem, and cork grips
>>>
>>> Tallux (only used for a few miles) - $60 shipped
>>> S83 (used but good condition) - $120 shipped
>>> Miesha's Cork Grips (new) - $30 shipped
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto Tallux (7cm, 26mm), Nitto S83 Seatpost, and Riv Cork Grips

[Kim H.]

@Sean,

What is the S83 seat post diameter ?

Kim Hetzel. 

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:36:25 PM UTC-7 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> That’s an s84! Steel! Real! 
> It’s considered as nicer than the s83 by most of the fine folks around 
> here, so there, happy sales..
> -Kai
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:44:36 PM UTC-6 Sean B. wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Selling my Nitto seatpost, stem, and cork grips
>>
>> Tallux (only used for a few miles) - $60 shipped
>> S83 (used but good condition) - $120 shipped
>> Miesha's Cork Grips (new) - $30 shipped
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Nitto Tallux (7cm, 26mm), Nitto S83 Seatpost, and Riv Cork Grips

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

That’s an s84! Steel! Real! 
It’s considered as nicer than the s83 by most of the fine folks around 
here, so there, happy sales..
-Kai

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:44:36 PM UTC-6 Sean B. wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Selling my Nitto seatpost, stem, and cork grips
>
> Tallux (only used for a few miles) - $60 shipped
> S83 (used but good condition) - $120 shipped
> Miesha's Cork Grips (new) - $30 shipped
>

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[RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

[Bill Lindsay]

Hilsen Blue is such a classic.  Enjoy it.  But don't be shocked if you find 
yourself wanting another "forever bike" to keep this one company and 
complement the stable!  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 12:21:25 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:

> Thank you peech, I've had no issues with knee-strikes on the bars. The 
> stem I believe is 11cm and the slack seat tube angle helps. I spoke with 
> Riv when I was deciding stem length and they recommend folks go at least 
> 10cm if they're going to run albatross bars. 
>
> I also don't really pedal around *really* tight turns anyway. There's a 
> switchback on a path that we take and it's not been a problem there. 
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:15:58 PM UTC-4 peec...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Very nice.  With the albatross bars have you had issues with your knee 
>> striking the bar end on tight turns?  
>>
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 10:07:01 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Robert, 
>>>
>>> Wow, what a beauty you've built up! I love your 'smiles to miles' 
>>> metric, and I'm sure you'll find that will remain consistent throughout 
>>> your life with this bike. Enjoy!
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Congrats Robert! That's a beautiful bike!

 On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Not pictured is a Baggins bag strapped to the saddle hooks. It fits 
> everything I need it to: phone, keys, wallet, repair kit, snack, 
> medicine. 
> :) 
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> A few months back, I set out to build my do-it-all dream bike and I 
>> did. I couldn’t be happier with how it turned out and it is truly a joy 
>> to 
>> ride: it's the most comfortable and buttery smooth bicycle I've ever 
>> ridden. Smiles per mile is super high. Many thanks to this lovely group 
>> for 
>> all the advice and conversation. Build below.
>> [image: ahpm2fo1kpbd1.jpeg]
>> *Frame:* Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm.
>> *Wheelset: *Velocity Atlas rims, 32h White Industries MI5 front and 
>> rear hubs laced with DT Swiss Competition DB spokes
>> *Tires: *Panaracer Gravelking 700x43c
>> *Brakes:* Paul Racer, Kool-Stop pads
>> *Brake Levers: *Paul cantilever
>> *Bars:* Nitto Albatross
>> *Grips: *Meisha’s Portuguese tree cork
>> *Tape: *Tanglefoot “Aunt Ronnie’s Recliner”
>> *Stem: *Nitto lugged
>> *Shifters: *Shimano Dura Ace bar ends (friction F/R)
>> *Derailers: *Shimano Dura Ace EA100 (FD), Shimano Deore XT M761 (RD)
>> *Crankset: *Silver 38/24 (170mm)
>> *Pedals: *MKS Lambda Cassette: Shimano HG400, 9-speed (11-36T)
>> *Seat post: *Nitto lugged
>> *Bottle Cage: *Nitto R
>> *Saddle: *Brooks B68
>> *Kickstand: *Of course
>>
>> Shoutout and good vibes to Third Wheel Bikes 
>>  for the assembly.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Going from 2x9 to 3x9 - FD Selection

[Drew Saunders]

I have a 26-42-guard New Albion setup, and although the 16 tooth shift is 
huge, it's pretty manageable if I'm not in a hurry. Maybe you just need a 
new "middle" ring and chainguard? It's also possible your chainguard is big 
enough for a 42. Going from 38 to 42 is about the same as changing 1t in 
the back for the higher gears (i.e.: a 42x11 would be like getting a 10t 
high gear with your 38), so is pretty noticeable. That would give you a 1x 
plus bailout, and you'll probably use the 42 for about 90% of your riding. 
How often do you use the 26x34? If rarely or never, I'm sure there are 
11-32 or 11-28 cassettes that will work.

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 8:58:53 AM UTC-7 wong.d...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> After writing that note I started thinking the same thing - what exactly 
> is the problem I am trying to solve.  (Other than becoming obsessed with 
> tinkering and "upgrading.")  In my mind I was thinking that I want to 
> expand the range of the 9 speed.  On the big chainring, I find that the I 
> seldom use the 3 largest cogs because I do spin out.  Maybe going to a 1x 
> would fix that "problem."  You've got me second guessing myself.  LOL.  
>
> Really do appreciate the thoughtful response, 
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 8:11:26 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I think it could be really useful to the group, and maybe to you, if you 
>> could describe what problem you are looking to solve.  
>>
>> The implication is that you have decided you need higher gearing, because 
>> you ride too fast for the gearing that is on the Clem.  Depending on what 
>> tires you are running, the 38x11 highest gear on the bike now should be 
>> plenty to pedal well above 30MPH, but is not high enough to pedal up to 
>> 40MPH and beyond.  Is that the problem?  You spend too much time >30MPH and 
>> can't pedal at all when you are going >40MPH and need the gearing to keep 
>> up with your riding?  That's a valid use case, but many would consider that 
>> an odd use case for a Clem.  That's more like a Roaduno use case.  
>>
>> You say that you spin out on most of the cogs when you are in the 26. 
>>  Have you decided you don't need the 26?  Have you considered moving from 
>> 26/38 up to 32/44?  Then you wouldn't need a front derailleur.  Have you 
>> considered going from 26/38 to a 40T 1x?  Then you could sell your front 
>> derailleur and you wouldn't need one at all.  
>>
>> Removing a chain guard and adding a third ring can be complicated because 
>> of the shift from the 38 to the big ring.  Most triple front derailleurs 
>> are set up for jumps that are closer to equal.  Have a look at the Silver 
>> Triple on the rivbike website.  It's 24/34/44, nice 10 tooth jumps at each 
>> step.  26/38/44 with that 6-tooth jump could interfere with some front 
>> derailleur cage designs.  That's more like an old-school half-step setup.  
>>
>> The point is that a bicycle has a lot of interdependencies.  You think 
>> you are changing one little thing, but it influences other things. 
>>  Planning a solution is good, but it should be to address a well-defined 
>> problem.  What problem are you trying to solve?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 6:06:56 PM UTC-7 wong.d...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I currently have a 2x9 with a 26/38 crank (Silver brand) and a 11/34 
>>> cassette on my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr - H.
>>>
>>> I want to add a third/outer chainring (maybe a 44 or 46), which can be 
>>> done by replacing the Silver bashguard with an outer chainring.
>>>
>>> I am shopping for a replacement front derailleur (either a Shimano XT 
>>> M771 or XTR M971) because I don’t think my Claris FD is capable of a 3x.
>>>
>>> I am looking at the specs of both FDs.
>>>
>>> The “Front Chainwheel Tooth Difference” is 20T/22T for the XTR and 18T 
>>> for the XT
>>>
>>> The “Min. difference between top and intermediate” is 12T for the XTR 
>>> and 10T for the XT
>>>
>>> How closely do I need to meet these two requirements?  If I get a 46T, I 
>>> don’t meet the Shimano specs.  The Front Chainwheel Difference is 20T and 
>>> the Min Difference between the top and intermediate is 8T.   Will either FD 
>>> work?  I wanted to save money by leaving the 26/28 alone.
>>>
>>> On a side note, I don’t plan to use the smallest chaining (26T) very 
>>> often (if ever) as I basically spinout for most of the 9 cogs.  
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day!

[ascpgh]

I love the details. When you look deeper you see all the things that were 
deliberate choices and each of them has a reason behind why that part 
instead of another. It's an evolution of your cycling in its details.

I said the same to Leah when she unveiled her little pony. Building a bike 
is telling a story about your path in bicycling. Your experiences shaped 
the choices and it's rewarding when you look at a part and it triggers all 
the memories of previous parts and bikes and rides that brought you to this 
component.  

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 10:02:47 PM UTC-4 watta...@gmail.com wrote:

> I made the pilgrimage to Walnut Creek via Bart yesterday, my Sam was 
> waiting for me. I thought it would be romantic to ride home and get a 
> proper feel for my first Rivendell...and it WAS. Roman is a pleasure to 
> work with and he showed me some details of the bike. I didn't know this but 
> they give you some swag too:patch kit, allen tool, bandana, the new 
> seatpost diam. stickers etc...fun!
>
>
> Build details: I bought the Sam Hillborne to replace a Crust Romanceur and 
> moved most of the parts over. The low trail handling of the Romanceur did 
> not sit well with me, felt too unstable and quick descents felt borderline 
> dangerous requiring both hands on bars. I did need 700c wheels so I kept 
> with the Velocity Quills in case I go tubeless again. 
> *Hub sound is important to me, I have a White T11 that is very loud (too 
> loud for me) and would make sense (to me) on a proper road bike. But the 
> Sam (and the Crust) is my do most things bike, including low speed 
> neighborhood runs with my kids, errands, etc. A loud hub is a conversation 
> non-starter in these situations. I visited RBW earlier and really liked the 
> stock Velocity hub, louder than Deore but still quiet-ish, a classy sound 
> imo. Rich used one word to describe the Silvr hub.LOUD. I also have the 
> Velocity dynamo hub which Rich says is the same as the Kasai (which isn't 
> in stock atm.
> *Son light, paul cantis, White VBC cranks (44x30) albatross bars, a new 
> RBW front rack etc.
> Bike thoughts: Only 20 miles with some hills into it but I love the 
> stability! That was my main reason for selling the Crust and I love how the 
> Sam handles. With sweep back bars the handling can become too light but I 
> was able to ride hands free down small hills which I would never try on the 
> low trail Crust. YAY!! I will fine tune bar height; the stem is a Tallux 12 
> which is an error, we had decided on the 90-190 so Roman will have that 
> switched next week. I will try to post pics here but if not I will reply 
> with pics.
>
> I may change the eggplant bartape to olive or navy or grey. I'm open to 
> suggestions!
>
> I'm looking forward to more time on the bike, thanks for reading!
> Brian
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

[Robert Calton]

Thank you peech, I've had no issues with knee-strikes on the bars. The stem 
I believe is 11cm and the slack seat tube angle helps. I spoke with Riv 
when I was deciding stem length and they recommend folks go at least 10cm 
if they're going to run albatross bars. 

I also don't really pedal around *really* tight turns anyway. There's a 
switchback on a path that we take and it's not been a problem there. 

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:15:58 PM UTC-4 peech1...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Very nice.  With the albatross bars have you had issues with your knee 
> striking the bar end on tight turns?  
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 10:07:01 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Robert, 
>>
>> Wow, what a beauty you've built up! I love your 'smiles to miles' metric, 
>> and I'm sure you'll find that will remain consistent throughout your life 
>> with this bike. Enjoy!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats Robert! That's a beautiful bike!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
 Not pictured is a Baggins bag strapped to the saddle hooks. It fits 
 everything I need it to: phone, keys, wallet, repair kit, snack, medicine. 
 :) 
 On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> A few months back, I set out to build my do-it-all dream bike and I 
> did. I couldn’t be happier with how it turned out and it is truly a joy 
> to 
> ride: it's the most comfortable and buttery smooth bicycle I've ever 
> ridden. Smiles per mile is super high. Many thanks to this lovely group 
> for 
> all the advice and conversation. Build below.
> [image: ahpm2fo1kpbd1.jpeg]
> *Frame:* Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm.
> *Wheelset: *Velocity Atlas rims, 32h White Industries MI5 front and 
> rear hubs laced with DT Swiss Competition DB spokes
> *Tires: *Panaracer Gravelking 700x43c
> *Brakes:* Paul Racer, Kool-Stop pads
> *Brake Levers: *Paul cantilever
> *Bars:* Nitto Albatross
> *Grips: *Meisha’s Portuguese tree cork
> *Tape: *Tanglefoot “Aunt Ronnie’s Recliner”
> *Stem: *Nitto lugged
> *Shifters: *Shimano Dura Ace bar ends (friction F/R)
> *Derailers: *Shimano Dura Ace EA100 (FD), Shimano Deore XT M761 (RD)
> *Crankset: *Silver 38/24 (170mm)
> *Pedals: *MKS Lambda Cassette: Shimano HG400, 9-speed (11-36T)
> *Seat post: *Nitto lugged
> *Bottle Cage: *Nitto R
> *Saddle: *Brooks B68
> *Kickstand: *Of course
>
> Shoutout and good vibes to Third Wheel Bikes 
>  for the assembly.
>


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[RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Very nice.  With the albatross bars have you had issues with your knee 
striking the bar end on tight turns?  

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 10:07:01 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Hey Robert, 
>
> Wow, what a beauty you've built up! I love your 'smiles to miles' metric, 
> and I'm sure you'll find that will remain consistent throughout your life 
> with this bike. Enjoy!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Congrats Robert! That's a beautiful bike!
>>
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> Not pictured is a Baggins bag strapped to the saddle hooks. It fits 
>>> everything I need it to: phone, keys, wallet, repair kit, snack, medicine. 
>>> :) 
>>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
 A few months back, I set out to build my do-it-all dream bike and I 
 did. I couldn’t be happier with how it turned out and it is truly a joy to 
 ride: it's the most comfortable and buttery smooth bicycle I've ever 
 ridden. Smiles per mile is super high. Many thanks to this lovely group 
 for 
 all the advice and conversation. Build below.
 [image: ahpm2fo1kpbd1.jpeg]
 *Frame:* Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm.
 *Wheelset: *Velocity Atlas rims, 32h White Industries MI5 front and 
 rear hubs laced with DT Swiss Competition DB spokes
 *Tires: *Panaracer Gravelking 700x43c
 *Brakes:* Paul Racer, Kool-Stop pads
 *Brake Levers: *Paul cantilever
 *Bars:* Nitto Albatross
 *Grips: *Meisha’s Portuguese tree cork
 *Tape: *Tanglefoot “Aunt Ronnie’s Recliner”
 *Stem: *Nitto lugged
 *Shifters: *Shimano Dura Ace bar ends (friction F/R)
 *Derailers: *Shimano Dura Ace EA100 (FD), Shimano Deore XT M761 (RD)
 *Crankset: *Silver 38/24 (170mm)
 *Pedals: *MKS Lambda Cassette: Shimano HG400, 9-speed (11-36T)
 *Seat post: *Nitto lugged
 *Bottle Cage: *Nitto R
 *Saddle: *Brooks B68
 *Kickstand: *Of course

 Shoutout and good vibes to Third Wheel Bikes 
  for the assembly.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Size 45 Clem Smith JR sizing?!

[John Johnson]

Hi Sam,

The photo is you posted looks like one of the earlier model Clem Hs (maybe 
a 2017 or so).

Bikeinsights.com will give you geo info.

Sizing, like Jim says, isn't just about height but pbh, riding preferences, 
and so on...

That being said, I'm 168cm tall and found the 2019 Clem H pretty perfect, 
but I used bullmoose bars. I did not like it (too scrunched up) with swept 
back bars (like the boscomoose in the photo). 

Cheers,

John

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 5:48:51 PM UTC+2 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Your total height is only part of the equation, mate.
>
> Here's a good place to start for finding the right sized Riv - 
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 8:47:42 AM UTC-7 s...@secondwindow.co.uk 
> wrote:
>
>> Can somebody tell me if a size 45 Rivendell Clem Smith JR would fit me?
>>
>> I am 173cm tall
>>
>> Thanks and please help!
>>
>> [image: r/Rivendell_Bicycles - Size 45 Clem Smith JR sizing?!]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Dorothy C]

I don’t know about Riv restocking, as they just had them in February, but 
CL Cycle have a lime-olive or a Forest Green in stock. They are in Canada, 
but ship to the US. Make sure to click the USD button. 

https://www.clcycle.ca/en/cadre-et-fourche-rivendell-clem-l-frame-and-fork.html


On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 3:20:20 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Ryan,
>
> I'm certain that RBW headquarters has the Clems on their framesets and 
> completes schedule for later this year. For now, it's a waiting game to see 
> when exactly when.
>
> Between now and then, it will give you time to save up more money for your 
> purchase. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 2:40 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> I had planned on the Clem replacing the 2 bikes I have but it seems my 
>> budget needs to be tighter than expected. My Clem will have to keep waiting 
>> it seems. Thank you all very much for the help!
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:33:15 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Ryan,
>>> as an idea... Call Will Keating tomorrow at RBW headquarters and see if 
>>> they have a 59cm frameset unsold somewhere in their warehouse or even a 
>>> complete or a demo. I bought my 52cm Clem through a serendipity experience 
>>> talking to Will. I was and remain truly grateful to find one in RBW blue. 
>>>
>>> ...or post ISO/WTB: 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset on 
>>> Facebook's Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
>>>  webpage. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Ryan,
 You are more than welcome.

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:09:55 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you again, Kim!
>
> Thank you Chris for that picture! Nice looking Clem you have there! I 
> am usually at 79cm on my saddle so that is a big help on where I’d be. 
>
> Unfortunately, I looked and that Weehoo trailer doesn’t make an 
> adapter for the Clem seatpost size. I’m sure I can figure something out. 
> Still hope I can find a frame! There’s a 64 on eBay but $250 for shipping 
> and sales tax doesn’t save much over the ones Riv has in stock!
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Here's a recent photo of my 64cm Clem L, with 78cm seat seat height 
>> adjusted for my 88cm PBH. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1854.jpg]
>>
>> - Chris
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> BTW... you are welcome.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike 
 both on and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish 
 I 
 could test ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second 
 bike. 
 However, I cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein 
 the 
 past discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, 
 than 
 the Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance 
 and 
 abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks 
 HOMAGE 
 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like 
> the perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.

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[RBW] Re: Size 45 Clem Smith JR sizing?!

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Your total height is only part of the equation, mate.

Here's a good place to start for finding the right sized Riv - 
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh



On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 8:47:42 AM UTC-7 s...@secondwindow.co.uk 
wrote:

> Can somebody tell me if a size 45 Rivendell Clem Smith JR would fit me?
>
> I am 173cm tall
>
> Thanks and please help!
>
> [image: r/Rivendell_Bicycles - Size 45 Clem Smith JR sizing?!]
>

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[RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

[John Rinker]

Hey Robert, 

Wow, what a beauty you've built up! I love your 'smiles to miles' metric, 
and I'm sure you'll find that will remain consistent throughout your life 
with this bike. Enjoy!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Congrats Robert! That's a beautiful bike!
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Not pictured is a Baggins bag strapped to the saddle hooks. It fits 
>> everything I need it to: phone, keys, wallet, repair kit, snack, medicine. 
>> :) 
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> A few months back, I set out to build my do-it-all dream bike and I did. 
>>> I couldn’t be happier with how it turned out and it is truly a joy to ride: 
>>> it's the most comfortable and buttery smooth bicycle I've ever ridden. 
>>> Smiles per mile is super high. Many thanks to this lovely group for all the 
>>> advice and conversation. Build below.
>>> [image: ahpm2fo1kpbd1.jpeg]
>>> *Frame:* Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm.
>>> *Wheelset: *Velocity Atlas rims, 32h White Industries MI5 front and 
>>> rear hubs laced with DT Swiss Competition DB spokes
>>> *Tires: *Panaracer Gravelking 700x43c
>>> *Brakes:* Paul Racer, Kool-Stop pads
>>> *Brake Levers: *Paul cantilever
>>> *Bars:* Nitto Albatross
>>> *Grips: *Meisha’s Portuguese tree cork
>>> *Tape: *Tanglefoot “Aunt Ronnie’s Recliner”
>>> *Stem: *Nitto lugged
>>> *Shifters: *Shimano Dura Ace bar ends (friction F/R)
>>> *Derailers: *Shimano Dura Ace EA100 (FD), Shimano Deore XT M761 (RD)
>>> *Crankset: *Silver 38/24 (170mm)
>>> *Pedals: *MKS Lambda Cassette: Shimano HG400, 9-speed (11-36T)
>>> *Seat post: *Nitto lugged
>>> *Bottle Cage: *Nitto R
>>> *Saddle: *Brooks B68
>>> *Kickstand: *Of course
>>>
>>> Shoutout and good vibes to Third Wheel Bikes 
>>>  for the assembly.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats Robert! That's a beautiful bike!

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Not pictured is a Baggins bag strapped to the saddle hooks. It fits 
> everything I need it to: phone, keys, wallet, repair kit, snack, medicine. 
> :) 
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> A few months back, I set out to build my do-it-all dream bike and I did. 
>> I couldn’t be happier with how it turned out and it is truly a joy to ride: 
>> it's the most comfortable and buttery smooth bicycle I've ever ridden. 
>> Smiles per mile is super high. Many thanks to this lovely group for all the 
>> advice and conversation. Build below.
>> [image: ahpm2fo1kpbd1.jpeg]
>> *Frame:* Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm.
>> *Wheelset: *Velocity Atlas rims, 32h White Industries MI5 front and rear 
>> hubs laced with DT Swiss Competition DB spokes
>> *Tires: *Panaracer Gravelking 700x43c
>> *Brakes:* Paul Racer, Kool-Stop pads
>> *Brake Levers: *Paul cantilever
>> *Bars:* Nitto Albatross
>> *Grips: *Meisha’s Portuguese tree cork
>> *Tape: *Tanglefoot “Aunt Ronnie’s Recliner”
>> *Stem: *Nitto lugged
>> *Shifters: *Shimano Dura Ace bar ends (friction F/R)
>> *Derailers: *Shimano Dura Ace EA100 (FD), Shimano Deore XT M761 (RD)
>> *Crankset: *Silver 38/24 (170mm)
>> *Pedals: *MKS Lambda Cassette: Shimano HG400, 9-speed (11-36T)
>> *Seat post: *Nitto lugged
>> *Bottle Cage: *Nitto R
>> *Saddle: *Brooks B68
>> *Kickstand: *Of course
>>
>> Shoutout and good vibes to Third Wheel Bikes 
>>  for the assembly.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

[Robert Calton]

Not pictured is a Baggins bag strapped to the saddle hooks. It fits 
everything I need it to: phone, keys, wallet, repair kit, snack, medicine. 
:) 
On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> A few months back, I set out to build my do-it-all dream bike and I did. I 
> couldn’t be happier with how it turned out and it is truly a joy to ride: 
> it's the most comfortable and buttery smooth bicycle I've ever ridden. 
> Smiles per mile is super high. Many thanks to this lovely group for all the 
> advice and conversation. Build below.
> [image: ahpm2fo1kpbd1.jpeg]
> *Frame:* Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm.
> *Wheelset: *Velocity Atlas rims, 32h White Industries MI5 front and rear 
> hubs laced with DT Swiss Competition DB spokes
> *Tires: *Panaracer Gravelking 700x43c
> *Brakes:* Paul Racer, Kool-Stop pads
> *Brake Levers: *Paul cantilever
> *Bars:* Nitto Albatross
> *Grips: *Meisha’s Portuguese tree cork
> *Tape: *Tanglefoot “Aunt Ronnie’s Recliner”
> *Stem: *Nitto lugged
> *Shifters: *Shimano Dura Ace bar ends (friction F/R)
> *Derailers: *Shimano Dura Ace EA100 (FD), Shimano Deore XT M761 (RD)
> *Crankset: *Silver 38/24 (170mm)
> *Pedals: *MKS Lambda Cassette: Shimano HG400, 9-speed (11-36T)
> *Seat post: *Nitto lugged
> *Bottle Cage: *Nitto R
> *Saddle: *Brooks B68
> *Kickstand: *Of course
>
> Shoutout and good vibes to Third Wheel Bikes 
>  for the assembly.
>

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[RBW] Re: 56cm Wilbury - like new - $1600 New Mexico

[NYCbikeguy]

Interested in the stem and possibly the whole cockpit setup!
are they still available?

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 7:26:46 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> @Aaron
>
> What model is the Brooks saddle ?
> What are the Shimano shifters 8spd or 9spd ? 
> friction - left and friction and indexed ?
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 4:41:53 PM UTC-7 A. D. M. wrote:
>
>>
>> Frame is sold. Let me know if anyone needs parts.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron 
>> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 1:01:06 PM UTC-6 A. D. M. wrote:
>>
>>> 56cm Rivendell Wilbury 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I bought this 56cm Rivendell Wilbury a few years back as a demo bike. I 
>>> quickly decided it was sadly too small for me and would like to pass it on. 
>>> It has fewer than 100 miles on it and shows as such. These were made in 
>>> Japan.
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything is like new with a couple blemishes as shown in the photos. 
>>> There is a small chip on the top tube and a touched up chip near the rear 
>>> brake. 
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 buying options: 
>>>
>>>
>>> As shown, includes everything except wheels. $1600 plus shipping. I have 
>>> a box and will pack carefully.
>>>
>>>
>>> Frame, fork, and headset. $1200 plus shipping. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Current build is Nitto lugged stem, albatross bars, and seatpost. Sugino 
>>> cranks. XT RD, 105 FD. Dia Compe brakes with Kool Stop pads. Brooks sprung 
>>> saddle. Shimano shifters and Portuguese cork grips with dia Compe brake 
>>> levers. All are like new. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I’d also be open to trades for a fixed gear in 57/58cm. Quickbeam, 
>>> simple one?
>>>
>>>
>>> Photos here https://photos.app.goo.gl/D7CtL3oj4mzXSMBW8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read more about the Wilbury Glorius in RR34 here 
>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/RR34.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron in the valley (New Mexico)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTF a 26.0 Albastache for my questionable Canti Rom?

[NYCbikeguy]

I have a 26.0 moustache bar, original to the old school atlantis, would you 
be interested?
Let me know!

Best,
IY from New Haven, CT/NYC

On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 7:45:56 PM UTC-4 jinxed wrote:

> OK, used a better camera and found some lighting that illustrates the area:
>
> [image: IMG_6444.jpg][image: IMG_6446.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 3:53:43 PM UTC-6 jinxed wrote:
>
>> I may have made a hasty purchase and ended up with a bum frame. But I'm 
>> going to try to make the best of it.
>>
>> So...I parted ways with my 26" Atlantis a while back in hopes to find a 
>> 55-56ish 700c Hillborne (short stay) to replace it. I watched Riv, and the 
>> used market for literally years, and just kept missing them. I fell short 
>> of a wanted ad, as I didnt really NEED one and figured it would pop up one 
>> day. Well, I sort of gave up and stopped checking. However, as age, and 
>> circumstances will do, I am now creeping closer to the need of a more 
>> upright and comfortable bike. I check in here and BOOM...a new run of short 
>> stay Hillbornes!! AND they're sold out in my size. Ugh. 
>>
>> Deflated, I go back to trolling the used market, and my first search 
>> brings up a 55 Canti Rom...20 minutes from me. THIS would do nicely and was 
>> a previous target of obsessive searching. The seller informs me there's a 
>> brake lever ding on the TT and dent on the seat stay. Not deterred, we plan 
>> to meet. 75yo gentleman who clearly has ridden some bikes, and seems to be 
>> a DIY mechanic. Bike looks good, albeit with an odd build. Not Rivvy, but 
>> more hodgepodge of commuter/2000 road bike. Rode fine, set up was not 
>> comfortable for me but the frame fit, the dents were unfortunate but not 
>> apparently damaging. We strike a deal, and I bring it home.
>>
>> The lay of the land: 
>> Threadless adaptor with super upright stem and Noodle bars which I do not 
>> like
>> Thorn proof tubes and 28c rock hard commuter tires
>> BIG gel saddle on a layback post
>> Canti rear, side pull front
>>
>> All of this meant, I needed some time to strip it all down, acquire some 
>> parts, and rebuild to my preference. No worries...until I got to it a few 
>> weeks later.
>>
>> After stripping it mostly down, I started to clean the frame and noticed 
>> a bizarre, what I thought was a scratch, in the paint on the top tube just 
>> at the end of the head tube lug point. Looking closer, its more like the 
>> paint is crackled or scrunched. My gut sank. I immediately checked under 
>> the DT for a bulge or other signs of front impact. Nothing. Seems totally 
>> fine. But the TT really looks odd. I've worked in shops for 30 years and 
>> have seen many cracks, dents etc...generally there's apparent trauma you 
>> can trace to other areas, but this is a new one to me being isolated. The 
>> other oddity that may be normal on these...is that the TT feels like it's 
>> externally butted to fit the HT lug. Nothing massive, but just a slightly 
>> perceptible increase in OD right about the point of the lug. Imagination? 
>> By design? Bulged from impact? No idea.
>>
>> All that said, I am bummed, but absolutely hold no ill will towards the 
>> seller. I truly believe he had no idea and was completely up front with the 
>> damage he knew about. AND it could just be a scratch or other paint 
>> anomaly. Yes, I could have the paint stripped back and find someone 
>> knowledgeable to inspect it, but I feel like the options in the end are the 
>> same...spend more than the frame is worth to repair it, or just ride it and 
>> "keep an eye on it". I'm thinking the latter is the better way.
>>
>> I have tried to get a photo of the offending area but it's elusive. I 
>> will try some different lighting to see if I can capture it and follow up.
>>
>> Which brings me to my inquiry. I would like to try an AlbaStache and I 
>> have two great stems I could use that are both 26.0do I remember 
>> correctly there were some original batches with that clamp size or no? I'd 
>> prefer not to shim, and would ultimately just get a 25.4 stem if need be. 
>> Trying to limit the losses on this one now.
>>
>> So IF they exist, does anyone have a set they'd be willing to sell? Or on 
>> the longer shot, a bar/stem?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 56cm Wilbury - like new - $1600 New Mexico

[Kim H.]

@Aaron

What model is the Brooks saddle ?
What are the Shimano shifters 8spd or 9spd ? 
friction - left and friction and indexed ?

Kim Hetzel.

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 4:41:53 PM UTC-7 A. D. M. wrote:

>
> Frame is sold. Let me know if anyone needs parts.
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron 
> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 1:01:06 PM UTC-6 A. D. M. wrote:
>
>> 56cm Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I bought this 56cm Rivendell Wilbury a few years back as a demo bike. I 
>> quickly decided it was sadly too small for me and would like to pass it on. 
>> It has fewer than 100 miles on it and shows as such. These were made in 
>> Japan.
>>
>>
>> Everything is like new with a couple blemishes as shown in the photos. 
>> There is a small chip on the top tube and a touched up chip near the rear 
>> brake. 
>>
>>
>> 2 buying options: 
>>
>>
>> As shown, includes everything except wheels. $1600 plus shipping. I have 
>> a box and will pack carefully.
>>
>>
>> Frame, fork, and headset. $1200 plus shipping. 
>>
>>
>> Current build is Nitto lugged stem, albatross bars, and seatpost. Sugino 
>> cranks. XT RD, 105 FD. Dia Compe brakes with Kool Stop pads. Brooks sprung 
>> saddle. Shimano shifters and Portuguese cork grips with dia Compe brake 
>> levers. All are like new. 
>>
>>
>> I’d also be open to trades for a fixed gear in 57/58cm. Quickbeam, simple 
>> one?
>>
>>
>> Photos here https://photos.app.goo.gl/D7CtL3oj4mzXSMBW8
>>
>>
>>
>> Read more about the Wilbury Glorius in RR34 here 
>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/RR34.pdf
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Aaron in the valley (New Mexico)
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Aaron Wilson]

Shopping for tires is exhausting. I said I'd decided, but I lied. 

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/ is pretty handy, but they don't
tell you how durable tires are and the puncture tests, while handy, don't
always seem to reflect real-world experience.

In the end I want a tubeless tire that's as light and supple as possible
without being a continuously annoying tire (too puncture-prone, too
short-lived, or too weepy). These things are in conflict with each other.

It's an impossible decision. I'd better just order something and get on
with my life. Thanks again for all your input and, if anyone else wants to
throw a wrench into the whole thing and tell me I'm barking up the wrong
tree, feel free.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 10:25 AM Will Boericke  wrote:

> Interesting on the UDs, running the Cava now and it's been great (black,
> non tubeless).  In contrast, my use of the Ribmos was disappointing.  I
> commuted on them for a year and they are SLOW.   Not quite Gatorskin slow,
> but not fast.  Replaced with Paselas there.  What the Ribmo does have going
> for it is longevity - that tread is so thick I bet you could get 20K miles
> out of a pair.
>
> So, many opinions on tires, but we knew that.
>
> Will
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 12:14 PM Richard Hardman 
> wrote:
>
>> I am currently liking the Panaracer Ribmo, rather than the Gravel King,
>> because it's "slicker" less tread, but still works on dirt or hard-pack
>> gravel, and I'm riding mostly on the road, paved or not.  I really wanted
>> to like the Ultradynamico Rose Race (the grey ones) because they look so
>> cool, but running them tubeless was a disaster; i could never get the tan
>> sidewalls to stop leaking no matter how much I tried.
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:03:45 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> Thanks for that input. I'm aligned with Aaron's original post, only very
>>> rarely taking a cautious ride in the dirt, and am about to purchase either
>>> some RH Snoqualmie Pass (700x44s) or GK slicks (not planning on the plus),
>>> and will run the tires with tubes.
>>>
>>> Mine will go on a Clem, and I only go fast uphill.
>>>
>>> I've run GK SS 700x43s, and GK slick plus 700x38s, which were OK, but I
>>> had no need for the tread. Looking for something that feels more like my
>>> Conti 700x35s.
>>>
>>> I so appreciate any further inputs on RH vs GK slicks before I purchase
>>> ... tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7 Will Boericke wrote:
>>>


- In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience,
more bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports 
 (I
only run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not 
 used
the GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture
resistance of the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing 
 thru a
rock garden in the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in 
 my
650x38 GKs.

 Will
 On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:

> I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more
> reasonably priced.
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel,
>> sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except
>> the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even
>> ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights 
>> by
>> 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless,
>> and without weeping sealant.
>>
>> I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.
>>
>> Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless
>> and sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats on the Homer!
>>>
>>> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd
>>> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing
>>> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem report: most free ever

[Gordon Stam]

Could that be an inspiration in the background?



On Saturday, June 29, 2024 at 10:36:30 AM UTC-6 mercia...@gmail.com wrote:

> Let's face it, Clem is just a wonderful looking and riding bike.  No 
> weight restrictions, no top tube, just one pretty lug and byzantine fork.  
> R'dell hit the mark squarely with this one.  
>
> Here is my (over)decorated Clem.  
>
> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 11:25:20 AM UTC-7 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd be the first one to post a rare left side view of a 59 Clem 
>> but Franco beat me to it. 3 months into ownership and the picture was taken 
>> about 6 weeks ago. The snow's all gone now. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 8:57:28 AM UTC-6 fmri...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Figuring out what set up I’ll use for some overnight trips this summer! 
>>> Super stoked.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>> Franco Rinaldi 
>>> c:  646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>>
>>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2024, at 10:30 AM, Olivier Chételat  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kim,
>>>
>>> it's all very simple. You need a thrower, a catcher (if available) and a 
>>> photographer; boom!
>>> Or maybe is it photoshop sorcery? One might never know.
>>> I'm glad you like it! 
>>>
>>> here's another one: 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 3:20:22 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 @Oli,
 Tell me your secret of how you got your Clem to float in the air ?  
 This is amazing. 

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 10:09:30 PM UTC-7 Olivier Chételat wrote:

> Two weeks ownership on this 59 Clem. My most minimal build with no 
> rack and no front derailer. It's set up like my 59 Atlantis and -despite 
> being longer in the virtual top tube- rides pretty much the same: dreamy. 
> Franco, we all need a picture of your new bike or (as the proverb say) 
> it did not happen.
> Have all the fun riding your Clem!
>
> Oli in SF
>
>
> [image: 11BD74CD-15DF-49F4-87A9-611D1DA907CC.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 9:42:39 PM UTC-7 fmri...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I’m about a month into my Clem ownership. It’s the most free and fun 
>> I’ve ever felt on a bike. Makes me not mind riding slow and soft 
>> pedaling. 
>> Can’t wait to do an over nighter with it. 
>>
>> Franco Rinaldi 
>> c: 646.403.0661 <(646)%20403-0661> 
>>
>> -Pardon any typos, Siri typed this message-
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Will Boericke]

Interesting on the UDs, running the Cava now and it's been great (black,
non tubeless).  In contrast, my use of the Ribmos was disappointing.  I
commuted on them for a year and they are SLOW.   Not quite Gatorskin slow,
but not fast.  Replaced with Paselas there.  What the Ribmo does have going
for it is longevity - that tread is so thick I bet you could get 20K miles
out of a pair.

So, many opinions on tires, but we knew that.

Will

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024, 12:14 PM Richard Hardman  wrote:

> I am currently liking the Panaracer Ribmo, rather than the Gravel King,
> because it's "slicker" less tread, but still works on dirt or hard-pack
> gravel, and I'm riding mostly on the road, paved or not.  I really wanted
> to like the Ultradynamico Rose Race (the grey ones) because they look so
> cool, but running them tubeless was a disaster; i could never get the tan
> sidewalls to stop leaking no matter how much I tried.
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:03:45 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Will
>>
>> Thanks for that input. I'm aligned with Aaron's original post, only very
>> rarely taking a cautious ride in the dirt, and am about to purchase either
>> some RH Snoqualmie Pass (700x44s) or GK slicks (not planning on the plus),
>> and will run the tires with tubes.
>>
>> Mine will go on a Clem, and I only go fast uphill.
>>
>> I've run GK SS 700x43s, and GK slick plus 700x38s, which were OK, but I
>> had no need for the tread. Looking for something that feels more like my
>> Conti 700x35s.
>>
>> I so appreciate any further inputs on RH vs GK slicks before I purchase
>> ... tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience,
>>>more bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports (I
>>>only run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not 
>>> used
>>>the GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture
>>>resistance of the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing thru 
>>> a
>>>rock garden in the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in 
>>> my
>>>650x38 GKs.
>>>
>>> Will
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:
>>>
 I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more
 reasonably priced.

 On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel,
> sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except
> the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even
> ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights 
> by
> 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless,
> and without weeping sealant.
>
> I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.
>
> Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless
> and sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Congrats on the Homer!
>>
>> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd
>> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing
>> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Going from 2x9 to 3x9 - FD Selection

[Stephen Merelman]

I have a similar range that's handled well by an IRD Alpina, if you can 
track one down. 

smm

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 9:06:56 PM UTC-4 wong.d...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I currently have a 2x9 with a 26/38 crank (Silver brand) and a 11/34 
> cassette on my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr - H.
>
> I want to add a third/outer chainring (maybe a 44 or 46), which can be 
> done by replacing the Silver bashguard with an outer chainring.
>
> I am shopping for a replacement front derailleur (either a Shimano XT M771 
> or XTR M971) because I don’t think my Claris FD is capable of a 3x.
>
> I am looking at the specs of both FDs.
>
> The “Front Chainwheel Tooth Difference” is 20T/22T for the XTR and 18T for 
> the XT
>
> The “Min. difference between top and intermediate” is 12T for the XTR and 
> 10T for the XT
>
> How closely do I need to meet these two requirements?  If I get a 46T, I 
> don’t meet the Shimano specs.  The Front Chainwheel Difference is 20T and 
> the Min Difference between the top and intermediate is 8T.   Will either FD 
> work?  I wanted to save money by leaving the 26/28 alone.
>
> On a side note, I don’t plan to use the smallest chaining (26T) very often 
> (if ever) as I basically spinout for most of the 9 cogs.  
>
> Thank you.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Richard Hardman]

I am currently liking the Panaracer Ribmo, rather than the Gravel King, 
because it's "slicker" less tread, but still works on dirt or hard-pack 
gravel, and I'm riding mostly on the road, paved or not.  I really wanted 
to like the Ultradynamico Rose Race (the grey ones) because they look so 
cool, but running them tubeless was a disaster; i could never get the tan 
sidewalls to stop leaking no matter how much I tried.  

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:03:45 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Will
>
> Thanks for that input. I'm aligned with Aaron's original post, only very 
> rarely taking a cautious ride in the dirt, and am about to purchase either 
> some RH Snoqualmie Pass (700x44s) or GK slicks (not planning on the plus), 
> and will run the tires with tubes. 
>
> Mine will go on a Clem, and I only go fast uphill. 
>
> I've run GK SS 700x43s, and GK slick plus 700x38s, which were OK, but I 
> had no need for the tread. Looking for something that feels more like my 
> Conti 700x35s. 
>
> I so appreciate any further inputs on RH vs GK slicks before I purchase 
> ... tomorrow. 
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>- In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience, 
>>more bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports (I 
>>only run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not 
>> used 
>>the GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture 
>>resistance of the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing thru 
>> a 
>>rock garden in the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in 
>> my 
>>650x38 GKs.
>>
>> Will
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:
>>
>>> I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more 
>>> reasonably priced.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel, 
 sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except 
 the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even 
 ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights 
 by 
 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless, 
 and without weeping sealant.

 I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.

 Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless 
 and sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?

 On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Congrats on the Homer!
>
> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd 
> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing 
> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>


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[RBW] Re: Who needs a Restoration Project? Madden Mountain Panniers / Kangaroo Bag Panniers

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Note: that should have been "...I'd _hate_ to resign them to a landfill..."


On Wednesday, July 10, 2024 at 8:47:29 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Digging through boxes in my garage and unearthed three sets of panniers 
> from the late 80's/early 90's. They all have noticeable "stored nylon" funk 
> (an "olfactory adventure"?) and all of the strap tie-down guides have 
> degraded and failed. (If they had just spent the extra $'s and used a 
> non-rubber part) 
>
> I've sprayed them all with some defunk enzymatic and hung them in the sun 
> for a day or two. They aren't going to cause gagging, but they aren't 
> exactly odor-free. If I were going to do the restoration, I'd put them into 
> a nice large washing machine and run them through, then hang them in the 
> sun for a bit. A little borax in the laundry, perhaps...
>
> However, before I did that, I'd want to pick off all the strap guide 
> remnants which have degraded. They were rubber and have completely dried 
> out in the (mumble-mumble) years since I bought them (Ok... bought these 
> back in the 1980s...). When I started airing them out, chunks fell away 
> from each one. They are toast. 
>
> I'd probably look for a sail bag maker or a friend who has a commercial 
> sewing machine, cut some thick leather in the shape of the strap guides and 
> sew them in place. They will probably work without the guides, but it would 
> be a better fix.
>
> If you have read this far, then you know the quality of the old Madden 
> Mountain Panniers and first generation Kangaroo Bags. This was seriously 
> overbuilt gear. I had to resign them to landfill. 
>
> I have a bunch of detailed images which I took yesterday.
>
> If this sounds like something you are interested in, take a look at the 
> images. The Madden Mountain pannier sets snap together when off the bike. 
> The Kangaroo Bags have nicely overlapping top covers. and a cinchable top 
> to the compartment. All zippers and snaps seem to be in great shape. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jKrRmJA5cQxMThF99
>
> I used these a few times, but they never got the miles they deserved. If 
> you want to take this on, I really just want to cover shipping to your 
> location. As I said, I just don't want to toss them into landfill. They are 
> in good shape, except for the funk and the failed strap guides. 
>
> So, if you want to take on stewardship of this project, message me 
> directly. Pickup available if you are in the general SF Bay Area. 
>
> Thanks for considering this!
>
> Jim
>

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[RBW] Re: Going from 2x9 to 3x9 - FD Selection

[Dennis Wong]

Hi Bill,

After writing that note I started thinking the same thing - what exactly is 
the problem I am trying to solve.  (Other than becoming obsessed with 
tinkering and "upgrading.")  In my mind I was thinking that I want to 
expand the range of the 9 speed.  On the big chainring, I find that the I 
seldom use the 3 largest cogs because I do spin out.  Maybe going to a 1x 
would fix that "problem."  You've got me second guessing myself.  LOL.  

Really do appreciate the thoughtful response, 

On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 8:11:26 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I think it could be really useful to the group, and maybe to you, if you 
> could describe what problem you are looking to solve.  
>
> The implication is that you have decided you need higher gearing, because 
> you ride too fast for the gearing that is on the Clem.  Depending on what 
> tires you are running, the 38x11 highest gear on the bike now should be 
> plenty to pedal well above 30MPH, but is not high enough to pedal up to 
> 40MPH and beyond.  Is that the problem?  You spend too much time >30MPH and 
> can't pedal at all when you are going >40MPH and need the gearing to keep 
> up with your riding?  That's a valid use case, but many would consider that 
> an odd use case for a Clem.  That's more like a Roaduno use case.  
>
> You say that you spin out on most of the cogs when you are in the 26. 
>  Have you decided you don't need the 26?  Have you considered moving from 
> 26/38 up to 32/44?  Then you wouldn't need a front derailleur.  Have you 
> considered going from 26/38 to a 40T 1x?  Then you could sell your front 
> derailleur and you wouldn't need one at all.  
>
> Removing a chain guard and adding a third ring can be complicated because 
> of the shift from the 38 to the big ring.  Most triple front derailleurs 
> are set up for jumps that are closer to equal.  Have a look at the Silver 
> Triple on the rivbike website.  It's 24/34/44, nice 10 tooth jumps at each 
> step.  26/38/44 with that 6-tooth jump could interfere with some front 
> derailleur cage designs.  That's more like an old-school half-step setup.  
>
> The point is that a bicycle has a lot of interdependencies.  You think you 
> are changing one little thing, but it influences other things.  Planning a 
> solution is good, but it should be to address a well-defined problem.  What 
> problem are you trying to solve?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 6:06:56 PM UTC-7 wong.d...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I currently have a 2x9 with a 26/38 crank (Silver brand) and a 11/34 
>> cassette on my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr - H.
>>
>> I want to add a third/outer chainring (maybe a 44 or 46), which can be 
>> done by replacing the Silver bashguard with an outer chainring.
>>
>> I am shopping for a replacement front derailleur (either a Shimano XT 
>> M771 or XTR M971) because I don’t think my Claris FD is capable of a 3x.
>>
>> I am looking at the specs of both FDs.
>>
>> The “Front Chainwheel Tooth Difference” is 20T/22T for the XTR and 18T 
>> for the XT
>>
>> The “Min. difference between top and intermediate” is 12T for the XTR and 
>> 10T for the XT
>>
>> How closely do I need to meet these two requirements?  If I get a 46T, I 
>> don’t meet the Shimano specs.  The Front Chainwheel Difference is 20T and 
>> the Min Difference between the top and intermediate is 8T.   Will either FD 
>> work?  I wanted to save money by leaving the 26/28 alone.
>>
>> On a side note, I don’t plan to use the smallest chaining (26T) very 
>> often (if ever) as I basically spinout for most of the 9 cogs.  
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Going from 2x9 to 3x9 - FD Selection

['John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I use a Sora FD-R3030b to shift a Sugino AT triple and it works fine.  The 
Sora is designed for a 45mm front chain line so it should work you Silver 
crank.  I paid $27.99 for the Sora, so it's not much to pay for trying it.

RBW states the Microshift FDs they sell ("skeleton key'??) works with Siver 
triples.  You can find it at Universal Cycles cheaper than the $34 RBW 
wants.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 9:06:56 PM UTC-4 wong.d...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I currently have a 2x9 with a 26/38 crank (Silver brand) and a 11/34 
> cassette on my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr - H.
>
> I want to add a third/outer chainring (maybe a 44 or 46), which can be 
> done by replacing the Silver bashguard with an outer chainring.
>
> I am shopping for a replacement front derailleur (either a Shimano XT M771 
> or XTR M971) because I don’t think my Claris FD is capable of a 3x.
>
> I am looking at the specs of both FDs.
>
> The “Front Chainwheel Tooth Difference” is 20T/22T for the XTR and 18T for 
> the XT
>
> The “Min. difference between top and intermediate” is 12T for the XTR and 
> 10T for the XT
>
> How closely do I need to meet these two requirements?  If I get a 46T, I 
> don’t meet the Shimano specs.  The Front Chainwheel Difference is 20T and 
> the Min Difference between the top and intermediate is 8T.   Will either FD 
> work?  I wanted to save money by leaving the 26/28 alone.
>
> On a side note, I don’t plan to use the smallest chaining (26T) very often 
> (if ever) as I basically spinout for most of the 9 cogs.  
>
> Thank you.
>

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[RBW] Re: UPDATE: FS: NOS Campagnolo Nuovo Record brake levers and generic gum hoods

[Kim H.]

SOLD !

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:07:56 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I have for sale a pair of NOS Campagnolo Nuovo Record brakes levers with 
> new generic gum hoods sealed in a bag for sale.
>
> I bought these for replacement for the Campy brakeset I had on my old road 
> bike, which is now parted out with only the frameset to sell. Therefore, I 
> do not need these anymore.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/X3X3JBCy9vPHaNsFA
>
> $85.00, shipped or MAKE ME AN OFFER
> Paypal payment, please
>
> Kim Hetzel
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender recommendations for a Toyo Atlantis (700c)?

[RichS]

Any of the fenders you list will do the job. In my experience SKS require 
the least amount of effort to fit while still achieving a good fender line.

You don't indicate if you're installing the fenders yourself but if so and 
you're a first timer keep in mind metal fenders require patience - again 
depending on your requirements for fender line and how much finesssing you 
need to do to for proper fit. It's a satisfying experience when you get it 
just right.

The link below is excellent if you're going it alone.
https://somervillebikes.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/how-to-install-metal-fenders-part-i-achieving-a-proper-arc-radius/

Best of luck!
Rich in ATL


On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 9:07:10 PM UTC-4 F Mac wrote:

> Hi folks, I'm looking for ideas on fenders. Also curious what the biggest 
> size I can run is.
>
> I've seen VO, Rene Herse, and Honjo. Any preferences amongst those or 
> makes that I'm missing?
>

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[RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Aaron Wilson]

Thanks everyone! Seems like I'll probably go Gravelking Slick non-plus. The 
price is nicer, too. 

I'll read up on Cavas, though. Thanks David and Johnny. 

Patrick, I haven't used ultra-light Rene Herse, but my standard-casing 
knobby 26x2.3 Rene Herse tires do weep through the sidewalls. Not terribly, 
but noticeably. 

Hoch, I run Marathon Allmotion on my city bike/commuter/grocery getter (a 
pretty nice & discreet Surly Cross Check). I like that kind of tire on a 
bike that you want to be super-reliable, but they ride pretty hard. I want 
to try to maximize the supple-ness of my new Homer as much as possible 
without getting a million flats. 

Aaron

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:59:52 PM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Maybe not what you’re looking for. But on my Appaloosa, I prefer something 
> that leans more stout/puncture  resistant like Schwalbe Marathon Plus or 
> Continental Ride Tours. I currently have 700x47 ride tours, which seem to 
> measure bang on 41mm at 40psi. 
> On a Riv with nice flexy fork, I really can’t tell much difference between 
> the Schwalbe or Conti’s and RH, GK, or Ultradynamico I’ve tried. They all 
> ride really nice. But the Schwalbe/Conti seem to last 2 to 4x longer. And I 
> haven’t had a flat even with goat heads around here. Knock on wood. 
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 11:17:14 AM UTC-6 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My 64cm Homer frameset is being delivered tomorrow and I wonder if you 
>> all can suggest some tires. 
>>
>> I'm looking for 
>>
>>- About 40mm width
>>   - Let's go with between 35 and 45 mm
>>- For 97% pavement 
>>   - Not always great pavement
>>   - Won't explode if I rode on some hardpacked dirt
>>- A nice balance of supple and puncture resistant 
>>   - I'm ok with the occasional flat, but I don't want it to be a 
>>   constant chore
>>- Tubeless 
>>- To help with punctures (we've got goat heads)
>>   - With sidewalls that won't bleed all the time
>>- Pricey if needed to achieve this (budget $200)
>>
>> Candidates so far
>>
>>- Rene Herse (with endurance casing?)
>>- Gravelking slicks (plus?)
>>
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Aaron
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Clem L 64cm Complete

[jaredwilson]

Located in Soquel, CA, can meet in Bay Area or ship at buyers expense :)

On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 12:59:15 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Going from 2x9 to 3x9 - FD Selection

[Bill Lindsay]

I think it could be really useful to the group, and maybe to you, if you 
could describe what problem you are looking to solve.  

The implication is that you have decided you need higher gearing, because 
you ride too fast for the gearing that is on the Clem.  Depending on what 
tires you are running, the 38x11 highest gear on the bike now should be 
plenty to pedal well above 30MPH, but is not high enough to pedal up to 
40MPH and beyond.  Is that the problem?  You spend too much time >30MPH and 
can't pedal at all when you are going >40MPH and need the gearing to keep 
up with your riding?  That's a valid use case, but many would consider that 
an odd use case for a Clem.  That's more like a Roaduno use case.  

You say that you spin out on most of the cogs when you are in the 26.  Have 
you decided you don't need the 26?  Have you considered moving from 26/38 
up to 32/44?  Then you wouldn't need a front derailleur.  Have you 
considered going from 26/38 to a 40T 1x?  Then you could sell your front 
derailleur and you wouldn't need one at all.  

Removing a chain guard and adding a third ring can be complicated because 
of the shift from the 38 to the big ring.  Most triple front derailleurs 
are set up for jumps that are closer to equal.  Have a look at the Silver 
Triple on the rivbike website.  It's 24/34/44, nice 10 tooth jumps at each 
step.  26/38/44 with that 6-tooth jump could interfere with some front 
derailleur cage designs.  That's more like an old-school half-step setup.  

The point is that a bicycle has a lot of interdependencies.  You think you 
are changing one little thing, but it influences other things.  Planning a 
solution is good, but it should be to address a well-defined problem.  What 
problem are you trying to solve?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 6:06:56 PM UTC-7 wong.d...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I currently have a 2x9 with a 26/38 crank (Silver brand) and a 11/34 
> cassette on my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr - H.
>
> I want to add a third/outer chainring (maybe a 44 or 46), which can be 
> done by replacing the Silver bashguard with an outer chainring.
>
> I am shopping for a replacement front derailleur (either a Shimano XT M771 
> or XTR M971) because I don’t think my Claris FD is capable of a 3x.
>
> I am looking at the specs of both FDs.
>
> The “Front Chainwheel Tooth Difference” is 20T/22T for the XTR and 18T for 
> the XT
>
> The “Min. difference between top and intermediate” is 12T for the XTR and 
> 10T for the XT
>
> How closely do I need to meet these two requirements?  If I get a 46T, I 
> don’t meet the Shimano specs.  The Front Chainwheel Difference is 20T and 
> the Min Difference between the top and intermediate is 8T.   Will either FD 
> work?  I wanted to save money by leaving the 26/28 alone.
>
> On a side note, I don’t plan to use the smallest chaining (26T) very often 
> (if ever) as I basically spinout for most of the 9 cogs.  
>
> Thank you.
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender recommendations for a Toyo Atlantis (700c)?

[Hoch in ut]

Ease of set up? My favorite is PDW fenders. And they come with quick 
release tabs. 

For looks on a Riv? I’ve used all 3 and they all look good. Can’t say I 
have a preference. Just get whatever is on sale. 

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:07:10 PM UTC-6 F Mac wrote:

> Hi folks, I'm looking for ideas on fenders. Also curious what the biggest 
> size I can run is.
>
> I've seen VO, Rene Herse, and Honjo. Any preferences amongst those or 
> makes that I'm missing?
>

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[RBW] Re: Going from 2x9 to 3x9 - FD Selection

[aeroperf]

My Sam came as a 2x9 with 26/38 rings on a Suguino XD2 crank, and a Claris 
FD.
I went to 3x9 with 26/36/46 by replacing the bashguard.  The Claris FD was 
NOT capable of handling the 3x.
After trying a number of things and learning a lot about FDs and 
chainlines, I went to a Shimano Sora FD-3030 for the front.
It may be a “road” FD, but it works perfectly.
Good luck.

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[RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Hoch in ut]

Maybe not what you’re looking for. But on my Appaloosa, I prefer something 
that leans more stout/puncture  resistant like Schwalbe Marathon Plus or 
Continental Ride Tours. I currently have 700x47 ride tours, which seem to 
measure bang on 41mm at 40psi. 
On a Riv with nice flexy fork, I really can’t tell much difference between 
the Schwalbe or Conti’s and RH, GK, or Ultradynamico I’ve tried. They all 
ride really nice. But the Schwalbe/Conti seem to last 2 to 4x longer. And I 
haven’t had a flat even with goat heads around here. Knock on wood. 

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 11:17:14 AM UTC-6 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> My 64cm Homer frameset is being delivered tomorrow and I wonder if you all 
> can suggest some tires. 
>
> I'm looking for 
>
>- About 40mm width
>   - Let's go with between 35 and 45 mm
>- For 97% pavement 
>   - Not always great pavement
>   - Won't explode if I rode on some hardpacked dirt
>- A nice balance of supple and puncture resistant 
>   - I'm ok with the occasional flat, but I don't want it to be a 
>   constant chore
>- Tubeless 
>- To help with punctures (we've got goat heads)
>   - With sidewalls that won't bleed all the time
>- Pricey if needed to achieve this (budget $200)
>
> Candidates so far
>
>- Rene Herse (with endurance casing?)
>- Gravelking slicks (plus?)
>
>
> Thanks, 
> Aaron
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Chris Halasz]

Will

Thanks for that input. I'm aligned with Aaron's original post, only very 
rarely taking a cautious ride in the dirt, and am about to purchase either 
some RH Snoqualmie Pass (700x44s) or GK slicks (not planning on the plus), 
and will run the tires with tubes. 

Mine will go on a Clem, and I only go fast uphill. 

I've run GK SS 700x43s, and GK slick plus 700x38s, which were OK, but I had 
no need for the tread. Looking for something that feels more like my Conti 
700x35s. 

I so appreciate any further inputs on RH vs GK slicks before I purchase ... 
tomorrow. 

Thanks

Chris

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 5:53:41 PM UTC-7 Will Boericke wrote:

>
>
>- In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience, more 
>bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports (I only 
>run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not used the 
>GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture resistance 
> of 
>the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing thru a rock garden 
> in 
>the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in my 650x38 GKs.
>
> Will
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:
>
>> I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more 
>> reasonably priced.
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel, 
>>> sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except 
>>> the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even 
>>> ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights by 
>>> 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless, 
>>> and without weeping sealant.
>>>
>>> I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.
>>>
>>> Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless and 
>>> sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>>>
 Congrats on the Homer!

 RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd 
 recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing 
 tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Will Boericke]

   - In that size, I would 100% choose GK slicks.  In my experience, more 
   bombproof than RH.  Setup tubeless easier, from interwebs reports (I only 
   run RH with tubes in my stable) and relatively cheap.  I have not used the 
   GK plus tires and have been generally happy with the puncture resistance of 
   the regular (if you don't do dumb things like bombing thru a rock garden in 
   the dark like I just did this weekend, tearing a hole in my 650x38 GKs.

Will
On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-4 River Bailey wrote:

> I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more 
> reasonably priced.
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel, 
>> sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except 
>> the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even 
>> ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights by 
>> 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless, 
>> and without weeping sealant.
>>
>> I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.
>>
>> Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless and 
>> sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats on the Homer!
>>>
>>> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd 
>>> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing 
>>> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[River Bailey]

I have RH I like but feel like my GK SKs are kinda bomb proof and more 
reasonably priced.

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 7:37:00 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel, 
> sand, and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except 
> the RH ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even 
> ultralighter Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights by 
> 100+ grams per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless, 
> and without weeping sealant.
>
> I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.
>
> Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless and 
> sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:
>
>> Congrats on the Homer!
>>
>> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd 
>> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing 
>> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 56cm Wilbury - like new - $1600 New Mexico

[A. D. M.]

Frame is sold. Let me know if anyone needs parts.

Best,

Aaron 
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 1:01:06 PM UTC-6 A. D. M. wrote:

> 56cm Rivendell Wilbury 
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
> I bought this 56cm Rivendell Wilbury a few years back as a demo bike. I 
> quickly decided it was sadly too small for me and would like to pass it on. 
> It has fewer than 100 miles on it and shows as such. These were made in 
> Japan.
>
>
> Everything is like new with a couple blemishes as shown in the photos. 
> There is a small chip on the top tube and a touched up chip near the rear 
> brake. 
>
>
> 2 buying options: 
>
>
> As shown, includes everything except wheels. $1600 plus shipping. I have a 
> box and will pack carefully.
>
>
> Frame, fork, and headset. $1200 plus shipping. 
>
>
> Current build is Nitto lugged stem, albatross bars, and seatpost. Sugino 
> cranks. XT RD, 105 FD. Dia Compe brakes with Kool Stop pads. Brooks sprung 
> saddle. Shimano shifters and Portuguese cork grips with dia Compe brake 
> levers. All are like new. 
>
>
> I’d also be open to trades for a fixed gear in 57/58cm. Quickbeam, simple 
> one?
>
>
> Photos here https://photos.app.goo.gl/D7CtL3oj4mzXSMBW8
>
>
>
> Read more about the Wilbury Glorius in RR34 here 
> https://notfine.com/rivreader/RR34.pdf
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Aaron in the valley (New Mexico)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Patrick Moore]

Another opinion: I use standard casing RHs set up tubeless on gravel, sand,
and pavement with no problem. I'd be confident with ELs too, except the RH
ELs seem to seep sealant thru the sidewalls. I've used even ultralighter
Somas and Schwalbes (lighter than equivalent RH extralights by 100+ grams
per tire) and these worked fine on gravel and dirt, tubeless, and without
weeping sealant.

I'd use Endurance casings for sharp rocks, though.

Question for all: speak to me of RH extralight tires set up tubeless and
sealant: do yours weep sealant thru the sidewalls?

On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:51 PM DavidP  wrote:

> Congrats on the Homer!
>
> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd
> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing
> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: bars, bag, tires, various bits

[Adam]

Hi all,

Thanks for your patience as I sort through responses. As of now, I think 
it's safe to say that the *Saddlesack, 32F, R9 FD, Crankset* are sold. I'm 
working down the list, so it's possible that if someone who responded early 
bails, I'll be in touch, but if you haven't heard from me yet, you weren't 
the first response.

I'm not going to bump the other stuff, since it is likely not so appealing, 
but just for the sake of the archive, the items below remain.

*twofish quick cage - $15*
*Pari-Moto (650b x 38) - Pair - $30*
*RH Loup Loup 650/38 - Pair - $20*
*HANDLEBAR SETUP - $125 (bars, levers, cork, stem, stoker nubs)*
*Wald 137, black - $10*

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 9:51:47 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Hi all, doing some cleaning and have accumulated the usual odds and ends. 
> All will be + shipping via pirateship, happy to do some discounts if you 
> need more than one thing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam in Chicago
>
> 
> PICS 
>
>
> *Nitto 32F - $80*
>
> *Riv Saddlesack Small - Olive - $60*
> this one is pretty beat up, but it's still kicking.
>
> *twofish quick cage - $15*
> strap-on bottle cage, little use
>
> *Pari-Moto (650b x 38) - Pair - $30*
> light use, but stored for a while
>
> *RH Loup Loup 650/38 - Pair - $20*
> WORN, these are more for fitting, testing. Some life in the front and no 
> holes in either, but the rear is worn down significantly.
>
> *Clipper Triple Crankset,* 
> *172.5 - $30*
> 48/36/26
> OK shape, but definitely well-used.
>
> *HANDLEBAR SETUP - $125 (bars, levers, cork, stem, stoker nubs)*
> Tosco-ish bars by Nitto (via Blue Lug) in BLACK
> [55cm width, 7cm rise, 25.4mm clamp]
> WITH: Avid levers, cork grips, dia compe stoker nubs, salsa 130mm +25deg 
> stem
>
> I'm not sure exactly what these are, but they're a nice smaller, 
> bosco-type bar with a bit less rise. I love this setup and was kind of 
> waiting for a bike to materialize around it, but if someone thinks this 
> will work, I'm happy to sell. I don't know how easy it is to remove the 
> grips, so I want to keep this as a package deal. I can take more 
> measurements, pics if someone thinks this might be useful for them.
>
>
> *---happy to add either item below to another package, but probably not 
> worth shipping solo*
>
> *Microshift R9 Triple FD, braze-on - $10*
>
> *Wald 137, black - $10*
> some scuffs, marks, scrapes
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Kim H.]

@Ryan,

I'm certain that RBW headquarters has the Clems on their framesets and
completes schedule for later this year. For now, it's a waiting game to see
when exactly when.

Between now and then, it will give you time to save up more money for your
purchase.

Kim Hetzel.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 2:40 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> I had planned on the Clem replacing the 2 bikes I have but it seems my
> budget needs to be tighter than expected. My Clem will have to keep waiting
> it seems. Thank you all very much for the help!
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:33:15 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Ryan,
>> as an idea... Call Will Keating tomorrow at RBW headquarters and see if
>> they have a 59cm frameset unsold somewhere in their warehouse or even a
>> complete or a demo. I bought my 52cm Clem through a serendipity experience
>> talking to Will. I was and remain truly grateful to find one in RBW blue.
>>
>> ...or post ISO/WTB: 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset on
>> Facebook's Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE
>>  webpage.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Ryan,
>>> You are more than welcome.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:09:55 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you again, Kim!

 Thank you Chris for that picture! Nice looking Clem you have there! I
 am usually at 79cm on my saddle so that is a big help on where I’d be.

 Unfortunately, I looked and that Weehoo trailer doesn’t make an adapter
 for the Clem seatpost size. I’m sure I can figure something out. Still hope
 I can find a frame! There’s a 64 on eBay but $250 for shipping and sales
 tax doesn’t save much over the ones Riv has in stock!

 On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Here's a recent photo of my 64cm Clem L, with 78cm seat seat height
> adjusted for my 88cm PBH.
>
> [image: IMG_1854.jpg]
>
> - Chris
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> BTW... you are welcome.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike
>>> both on and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I
>>> could test ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike.
>>> However, I cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the
>>> past discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, 
>>> than
>>> the Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance 
>>> and
>>> abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks 
>>> HOMAGE
>>> 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like
 the perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Ryan Frahm]

I had planned on the Clem replacing the 2 bikes I have but it seems my 
budget needs to be tighter than expected. My Clem will have to keep waiting 
it seems. Thank you all very much for the help!

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:33:15 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Ryan,
> as an idea... Call Will Keating tomorrow at RBW headquarters and see if 
> they have a 59cm frameset unsold somewhere in their warehouse or even a 
> complete or a demo. I bought my 52cm Clem through a serendipity experience 
> talking to Will. I was and remain truly grateful to find one in RBW blue. 
>
> ...or post ISO/WTB: 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset on 
> Facebook's Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
>  webpage. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Ryan,
>> You are more than welcome.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:09:55 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you again, Kim!
>>>
>>> Thank you Chris for that picture! Nice looking Clem you have there! I am 
>>> usually at 79cm on my saddle so that is a big help on where I’d be. 
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I looked and that Weehoo trailer doesn’t make an adapter 
>>> for the Clem seatpost size. I’m sure I can figure something out. Still hope 
>>> I can find a frame! There’s a 64 on eBay but $250 for shipping and sales 
>>> tax doesn’t save much over the ones Riv has in stock!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>>
 Here's a recent photo of my 64cm Clem L, with 78cm seat seat height 
 adjusted for my 88cm PBH. 

 [image: IMG_1854.jpg]

 - Chris

 On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> BTW... you are welcome.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike 
>> both on and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I 
>> could test ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike. 
>> However, I cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the 
>> past discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, 
>> than 
>> the Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance 
>> and 
>> abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks 
>> HOMAGE 
>> 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
>>> perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[Johnny Alien]

Both of the tires you suggested in the original post I have used and loved. 
I think its hard to go wrong with either. I have used Ultradynamicos and 
found them to feel sluggish for some reason. I think it must be the tiny 
tiny knobs or something. They just don't have a supple ride for me. I tried 
them twice.The first time with the standard JFF casing and the second time 
with the Race. I think the Gravelking and RH are better in most every way 
other than looks (the ultradynamicos do look very attractive). The RH tires 
are probably a slightly better riding tire than the GK IMO but for the 
price difference its hard not to swing toward the GK. Just a great tire and 
a good price. 

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 4:51:51 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Congrats on the Homer!
>
> RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd 
> recommend endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing 
> tubeless for awhile but went back to a tube in that one.
>
> Gravelking slicks - I like the 38s I'm using now on a Homerish bike which 
> sees occasional dirt. They measure 36mm on CR18s (17.5mm internal width). 
> The low knobbed SKs are fine on pavement too and make a good allrounder, 
> but for 97% pavement I'd lean toward the slick or SS; both used to be 
> available in 43s, which to me seemed ideal for a Homer. Panaracer changed 
> the lineup for 2024 and now GKs are available in 35/40/45mm sizes, but the 
> 43s are getting tougher to find. I'd expect the 700x40 GK slicks that are 
> currently available would be just fine.
>
> Newest tire for me is Ultradynamico Cava/Rose combo in 700x42 and I really 
> like these so far (~75 miles). I'm using the Race casing with tubes but 
> again would recommend the JFF or Robusto casings rather than Race casing 
> for tubeless. In your case I'd skip the knobbier Rose and go Cava front and 
> rear.
>
> -Dave (near Boston where we have relatively small thorns)
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 1:17:14 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My 64cm Homer frameset is being delivered tomorrow and I wonder if you 
>> all can suggest some tires. 
>>
>> I'm looking for 
>>
>>- About 40mm width
>>   - Let's go with between 35 and 45 mm
>>- For 97% pavement 
>>   - Not always great pavement
>>   - Won't explode if I rode on some hardpacked dirt
>>- A nice balance of supple and puncture resistant 
>>   - I'm ok with the occasional flat, but I don't want it to be a 
>>   constant chore
>>- Tubeless 
>>- To help with punctures (we've got goat heads)
>>   - With sidewalls that won't bleed all the time
>>- Pricey if needed to achieve this (budget $200)
>>
>> Candidates so far
>>
>>- Rene Herse (with endurance casing?)
>>- Gravelking slicks (plus?)
>>
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Aaron
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Road-ish tire suggestions for my new Homer

[DavidP]

Congrats on the Homer!

RH tires are great, I've used standard and endurance casings. I'd recommend 
endurance casing for tubeless. I ran a 650x48 standard casing tubeless for 
awhile but went back to a tube in that one.

Gravelking slicks - I like the 38s I'm using now on a Homerish bike which 
sees occasional dirt. They measure 36mm on CR18s (17.5mm internal width). 
The low knobbed SKs are fine on pavement too and make a good allrounder, 
but for 97% pavement I'd lean toward the slick or SS; both used to be 
available in 43s, which to me seemed ideal for a Homer. Panaracer changed 
the lineup for 2024 and now GKs are available in 35/40/45mm sizes, but the 
43s are getting tougher to find. I'd expect the 700x40 GK slicks that are 
currently available would be just fine.

Newest tire for me is Ultradynamico Cava/Rose combo in 700x42 and I really 
like these so far (~75 miles). I'm using the Race casing with tubes but 
again would recommend the JFF or Robusto casings rather than Race casing 
for tubeless. In your case I'd skip the knobbier Rose and go Cava front and 
rear.

-Dave (near Boston where we have relatively small thorns)

On Monday, July 8, 2024 at 1:17:14 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> My 64cm Homer frameset is being delivered tomorrow and I wonder if you all 
> can suggest some tires. 
>
> I'm looking for 
>
>- About 40mm width
>   - Let's go with between 35 and 45 mm
>- For 97% pavement 
>   - Not always great pavement
>   - Won't explode if I rode on some hardpacked dirt
>- A nice balance of supple and puncture resistant 
>   - I'm ok with the occasional flat, but I don't want it to be a 
>   constant chore
>- Tubeless 
>- To help with punctures (we've got goat heads)
>   - With sidewalls that won't bleed all the time
>- Pricey if needed to achieve this (budget $200)
>
> Candidates so far
>
>- Rene Herse (with endurance casing?)
>- Gravelking slicks (plus?)
>
>
> Thanks, 
> Aaron
>

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[RBW] Re: Summer Reading by Bike

[George Schick]

Reading about NYC's rancid underbelly years, though probably having 
historical accuracy, does not sound like a pleasurable read that you'd want 
to hear during a ride.  I'd recommend "Snow Falling on Cedars" by David 
Guterson, a 1994 mystery novel set on an island in the Pacific Northwest 
that intertwines the issues of inter-cultural discrimination issues against 
pre-WW2 Japanese with land greed and biases and the day-to-day life of 
off-shore fishermen in the NW area.

But I hope you're not listening to these books using ear buds, risking 
accidents from passing traffic, other bikers, emergency vehicles, etc.  
About 15 years ago a cyclist riding along a road in the next county West of 
here was struck and killed by a UP freight train because he was wearing ear 
buds with loud, loud music blasting through them and failed to hear the 
engineer's horn as he rode across a crossing.

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 9:22:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I have never understood “summer reading.” Why aren’t we doing winter 
> reading? That’s when you are supposed to curl up under a warm blanket and 
> lose yourself in a book. Summer is TACTILE. You are out there just with 
> summer all over you. You have to wash it off at the end of the day, you 
> know? There is no sitting inside with books during a northern summer.
>
> I can’t seem to hold still in SW Michigan’s summer. It’s the high holy 
> season and I need to be out in it, at all times. You should see my tan. But 
> I also love a bandwagon, and if everyone is doing “summer reading” I want 
> to be part of the craze. If I am sitting and reading, I’m not riding. So, 
> I decided to get a subscription to Audible and see if I could stand to 
> listen to narrators to get my books read. 
>
> So far it has been really, really brilliant. I’m used to the narrators 
> now, and enjoy them. I end up doing longer rides because I will be at some 
> riveting part in the plot and need to know what happens next, and I keep 
> pedaling. Good for mind AND body. If you can be on bike paths instead of 
> roads, all the better because you are free to let your mind wander. Do not 
> attempt this if you are not adept at multitasking! 
>
> I’m sure I miss a detail or two because riding and reading is distracting, 
> but mostly I’m tracking. In case anyone else was wondering how to have it 
> all, here’s my hot tip. Happy summer reading, not summer SITTING and 
> reading!
>
> I just finished All the Colors of the Dark by Chris Whitaker and loved it. 
> Starting The God of the Woods now. Both thrillers, if you wanted a 
> recommendation. 
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: 57 Orange Roadini frameset

[Greg Sonstein]

https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjByH8J

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:23 AM Greg Sonstein  wrote:

> $950 plus shipping (probably around $60-80)
>
> Located in LA area. If interested I will email you more photos. Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Kim H.]

@Ryan,
as an idea... Call Will Keating tomorrow at RBW headquarters and see if 
they have a 59cm frameset unsold somewhere in their warehouse or even a 
complete or a demo. I bought my 52cm Clem through a serendipity experience 
talking to Will. I was and remain truly grateful to find one in RBW blue. 

...or post ISO/WTB: 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset on 
Facebook's Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
 webpage. 

Kim Hetzel.

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> @Ryan,
> You are more than welcome.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:09:55 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you again, Kim!
>>
>> Thank you Chris for that picture! Nice looking Clem you have there! I am 
>> usually at 79cm on my saddle so that is a big help on where I’d be. 
>>
>> Unfortunately, I looked and that Weehoo trailer doesn’t make an adapter 
>> for the Clem seatpost size. I’m sure I can figure something out. Still hope 
>> I can find a frame! There’s a 64 on eBay but $250 for shipping and sales 
>> tax doesn’t save much over the ones Riv has in stock!
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a recent photo of my 64cm Clem L, with 78cm seat seat height 
>>> adjusted for my 88cm PBH. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1854.jpg]
>>>
>>> - Chris
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 BTW... you are welcome.

 Kim Hetzel.

 On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike both 
> on and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I could 
> test ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike. 
> However, 
> I cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the past 
> discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, than 
> the 
> Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance and 
> abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks HOMAGE 
> 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
>> perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Kim H.]

@Ryan,
You are more than welcome.

Kim Hetzel. 

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:09:55 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you again, Kim!
>
> Thank you Chris for that picture! Nice looking Clem you have there! I am 
> usually at 79cm on my saddle so that is a big help on where I’d be. 
>
> Unfortunately, I looked and that Weehoo trailer doesn’t make an adapter 
> for the Clem seatpost size. I’m sure I can figure something out. Still hope 
> I can find a frame! There’s a 64 on eBay but $250 for shipping and sales 
> tax doesn’t save much over the ones Riv has in stock!
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Here's a recent photo of my 64cm Clem L, with 78cm seat seat height 
>> adjusted for my 88cm PBH. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1854.jpg]
>>
>> - Chris
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> BTW... you are welcome.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike both 
 on and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I could 
 test ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike. However, 
 I cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the past 
 discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, than the 
 Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance and 
 abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks HOMAGE 
 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
> perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.



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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you again, Kim!

Thank you Chris for that picture! Nice looking Clem you have there! I am 
usually at 79cm on my saddle so that is a big help on where I’d be. 

Unfortunately, I looked and that Weehoo trailer doesn’t make an adapter for 
the Clem seatpost size. I’m sure I can figure something out. Still hope I 
can find a frame! There’s a 64 on eBay but $250 for shipping and sales tax 
doesn’t save much over the ones Riv has in stock!

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 7:17:46 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Here's a recent photo of my 64cm Clem L, with 78cm seat seat height 
> adjusted for my 88cm PBH. 
>
> [image: IMG_1854.jpg]
>
> - Chris
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:41:10 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> BTW... you are welcome.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike both 
>>> on and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I could 
>>> test ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike. However, 
>>> I cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the past 
>>> discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, than the 
>>> Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance and 
>>> abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks HOMAGE 
>>> 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
 perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Kim H.]

BTW... you are welcome.

Kim Hetzel.

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:40:43 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike both on 
> and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I could test 
> ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike. However, I 
> cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the past 
> discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, than the 
> Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance and 
> abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks HOMAGE 
> 43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
>> perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Kim H.]

Yes, for an aging senior cyclist, the Clem is an all-rounder bike both on 
and off road, but no single track. There are times that I wish I could test 
ride a Platypus for the possibility of owning a second bike. However, I 
cannot afford one right now. From what I have read herein the past 
discussions, the Platypus is more of a light and nimbler bicycle, than the 
Clem. The Clem tends to be a heavier bike. However, it performance and 
abilities out weight the heaviness. For now, I am running SimWorks HOMAGE 
43mm tires on my Clem for mostly pavement at maximum psi. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 6:14:32 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
> perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you Kim, I appreciate the advice on sizing! They seem like the 
perfect “if I could only have one bike” bike.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59 Clem L Frameset

[Kim H.]

IMHO, you would be better off with a 59cm Clem frameset with your PBH of 
90.5cm. For me, last fall, I sold mine, because it was too darn large for 
me to handle with a PBH of 80.1cm. I, in turn, bought a 52cm Clem. It is 
truly more of an enjoyable handling bicycle compared the the 59cm with my 
long torso and short limbs. 

Kim Hetzel. 

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 5:51:49 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all! Just wondering if anyone has a current geo version of the Clem 
> frameset that they are looking to move along? I could probably fit a 64 as 
> well but not sure I’d be able to use a Weehoo under the slammed seatpost. I 
> have a 90.5 PBH so I know I can fit the 64, just not sure about the trailer!
>
> Thank you in advance!
>

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[RBW] Re: FREE: Two used Nitto Technomic stems

[Kim H.]

CLAIMED and PAID !

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 3:42:12 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> Message sent, Elliot.
>
> Kim Hetzel
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 3:31:12 PM UTC-7 Elliot Babin wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim would love these! Will gladly send postage, let me know where
>> -Elliot
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 3:27:54 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> I have two Nitto Technomic stems both have 25.4mm clamp diameters.
>>>
>>> A. 90mm extension in poor condition - The red line indicates MAX Height. 
>>> The black line indicates the height that I had it positioned on my old road 
>>> bike with a piece of handlebar tape to cover it up and for the extensive 
>>> grinding marks is the stem did not fit into my old road bike head tube.
>>>
>>> B. 100mm extension in good condition from my Clem
>>>
>>> Take both these off my hands for FREE for $20.00 postage, shipped in the 
>>> CONUS 
>>> Paypal payment please.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> [image: 20240705_143034.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 20240705_143156.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FREE: Two used Nitto Technomic stems

[Kim H.]

Message sent, Elliot.

Kim Hetzel

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 3:31:12 PM UTC-7 Elliot Babin wrote:

> Hi Kim would love these! Will gladly send postage, let me know where
> -Elliot
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 3:27:54 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> I have two Nitto Technomic stems both have 25.4mm clamp diameters.
>>
>> A. 90mm extension in poor condition - The red line indicates MAX Height. 
>> The black line indicates the height that I had it positioned on my old road 
>> bike with a piece of handlebar tape to cover it up and for the extensive 
>> grinding marks is the stem did not fit into my old road bike head tube.
>>
>> B. 100mm extension in good condition from my Clem
>>
>> Take both these off my hands for FREE for $20.00 postage, shipped in the 
>> CONUS 
>> Paypal payment please.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> [image: 20240705_143034.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 20240705_143156.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FREE: Two used Nitto Technomic stems

[Elliot Babin]

Hi Kim would love these! Will gladly send postage, let me know where
-Elliot

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 3:27:54 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I have two Nitto Technomic stems both have 25.4mm clamp diameters.
>
> A. 90mm extension in poor condition - The red line indicates MAX Height. 
> The black line indicates the height that I had it positioned on my old road 
> bike with a piece of handlebar tape to cover it up and for the extensive 
> grinding marks is the stem did not fit into my old road bike head tube.
>
> B. 100mm extension in good condition from my Clem
>
> Take both these off my hands for FREE for $20.00 postage, shipped in the 
> CONUS 
> Paypal payment please.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> [image: 20240705_143034.jpg]
>
> [image: 20240705_143156.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: chain rub

[Patrick Moore]

The bent hanger suggestion is a very good one and responds to the fact that
the rub is only on the lower chain run. I'll be interested to hear what
Mike finds, and I wonder how many of my own der hangers have been slightly
bent but hidden by friction shifting.


On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 12:09 PM Mike Rossi  wrote:

> Yes, Will, it’s one of my favorite tools. I have a feeling there are quite
> a few Riv owners with friction shifters riding around with hangers that are
> misaligned. But, I suppose that can be seen as an added benefit to friction
> shifting.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2024, at 10:48 AM, Will Boericke  wrote:
>
> It wasn't until I got a hanger alignment tool that I realized how many
> bikes have misaligned hangers.  I use it all the time!  And newer
> drivetrains are definitely much more sensitive to misalignment.  All to
> say, this sounds like an alignment issue to me as well
>
>
> Will
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 Steve wrote:
>
>> What Mike Rossi said!  That would explain the peculiar situation of the
>> chain rub at the bottom only.
>>
>> My money is on Mike.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:35:39 AM UTC-4 Mike Rossi wrote:
>>
>>> Also, you mentioned chain rubbing at the bottom and not the top. When I
>>> received my frameset I had to adjust the derailleur hanger as it was
>>> misaligned. That may be an issue as well.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Cyclofiend Jim]

George - read through the description of it in RR3 (page 37) and they talk 
about the taller head tube.
https://notfine.com/rivreader/RR03.pdf

J


On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 8:12:40 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> I'm puzzled by the posted frame size for this bike.  For a bike with a 19" 
> seat tube I would expect to see a much shorter head tube.  Unless it just 
> has a top tube with a lot of slope.  It's hard to tell from that photo 
> because the picture was take with the bike on a downward slant.
>
>
> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>
>> I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not 
>> know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only a 
>> few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned 
>> this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one.  
>> I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at 
>> suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995. 
>> I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before 
>> hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet, 
>> both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it 
>> is time to clean out the stable.
>>
>>
>> This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat 
>> tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think 
>> it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 inch 
>> Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, and 
>> Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto 
>> Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro 
>> cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the 
>> bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not 
>> included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the 
>> seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple, 
>> 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but not 
>> new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  Some 
>> can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  I 
>> have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage. 
>>
>>
>> This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in 
>> Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to subtract 
>> $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home or near my 
>> home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.
>>
>>
>> Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.  
>>
>>
>> Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further 
>> pictures of your choosing.[image: IMG_2403.jpeg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: chain rub

[Mike Rossi]

Yes, Will, it’s one of my favorite tools. I have a feeling there are quite a few Riv owners with friction shifters riding around with hangers that are misaligned. But, I suppose that can be seen as an added benefit to friction shifting.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 7, 2024, at 10:48 AM, Will Boericke  wrote:It wasn't until I got a hanger alignment tool that I realized how many bikes have misaligned hangers.  I use it all the time!  And newer drivetrains are definitely much more sensitive to misalignment.  All to say, this sounds like an alignment issue to me as wellWillOn Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 Steve wrote:What Mike Rossi said!  That would explain the peculiar situation of the chain rub at the bottom only. My money is on Mike.    On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:35:39 AM UTC-4 Mike Rossi wrote:Also, you mentioned chain rubbing at the bottom and not the top. When I received my frameset I had to adjust the derailleur hanger as it was misaligned. That may be an issue as well.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 7, 2024, at 4:49 AM, Mike Rossi  wrote:For the record, I’m using a 122.5 mm spindle on my Susie with a 1 mm spacer added to the drive side. It gives plenty of clearance with 2.3’s. I am using a 2 x 7 setup, so my biggest sprocket is a little further away from center, but I think I could still clear the tire even if it were closer. If I were using 2.6’s with a 11 speed cassette, I’d probably get the Shimano bb that has a 123 mm spindle with a 2.5 mm spacer on the drive side. I wouldn’t think there would be a chain rub issue with that setup.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 6, 2024, at 11:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:First, check chainline.Doesn't the Gus have typical long Rivendell stays? This should structurally minimize the chance of such chain rub, so perhaps your spindle is too short for proper chainline. Does Riv spec a spindle length for that frame and a 1X11?OTOH, if the chainline is correct but you still need to add another couple of mm to the drive side spindle for the chain to clear the tire, perhaps adding a 1 or 2 mm spacer behind the DS cup will fix things, chainline be damned.IMO chain clearance is more important than a perfect line. To paraphrase what Grant said years and years ago when someone fretted that slighly imperfect chainline might accelerate chain and sprocket wear, "If you are riding enough to replace chains and cogs more frequently than you think you should, then you are lucky to be riding so much." And modern chains do tolerate a lot of deflection without greatly affecting performance or wear.On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:12 PM Steve  wrote:David, would a wider bottom bracket axle solve the issue?  How long is the current one?On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears the tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11 cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: chain rub

[Will Boericke]

It wasn't until I got a hanger alignment tool that I realized how many 
bikes have misaligned hangers.  I use it all the time!  And newer 
drivetrains are definitely much more sensitive to misalignment.  All to 
say, this sounds like an alignment issue to me as well


Will

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-4 Steve wrote:

> What Mike Rossi said!  That would explain the peculiar situation of the 
> chain rub at the bottom only. 
>
> My money is on Mike.
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:35:39 AM UTC-4 Mike Rossi wrote:
>
>> Also, you mentioned chain rubbing at the bottom and not the top. When I 
>> received my frameset I had to adjust the derailleur hanger as it was 
>> misaligned. That may be an issue as well.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2024, at 4:49 AM, Mike Rossi  wrote:
>>
>> For the record, I’m using a 122.5 mm spindle on my Susie with a 1 mm 
>> spacer added to the drive side. It gives plenty of clearance with 2.3’s. I 
>> am using a 2 x 7 setup, so my biggest sprocket is a little further away 
>> from center, but I think I could still clear the tire even if it were 
>> closer. If I were using 2.6’s with a 11 speed cassette, I’d probably get 
>> the Shimano bb that has a 123 mm spindle with a 2.5 mm spacer on the drive 
>> side. I wouldn’t think there would be a chain rub issue with that setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2024, at 11:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> First, check chainline.
>>
>> Doesn't the Gus have typical long Rivendell stays? This should 
>> structurally minimize the chance of such chain rub, so perhaps your spindle 
>> is too short for proper chainline. Does Riv spec a spindle length for that 
>> frame and a 1X11?
>>
>> OTOH, if the chainline is correct but you still need to add another 
>> couple of mm to the drive side spindle for the chain to clear the tire, 
>> perhaps adding a 1 or 2 mm spacer behind the DS cup will fix things, 
>> chainline be damned.
>>
>> IMO chain clearance is more important than a perfect line. To paraphrase 
>> what Grant said years and years ago when someone fretted that slighly 
>> imperfect chainline might accelerate chain and sprocket wear, "If you are 
>> riding enough to replace chains and cogs more frequently than you think you 
>> should, then you are lucky to be riding so much." And modern chains do 
>> tolerate a lot of deflection without greatly affecting performance or wear.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:12 PM Steve  wrote:
>>
>>> David, would a wider bottom bracket axle solve the issue?  How long is 
>>> the current one?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:
>>>
 I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain 
 rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears 
 the 
 tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11 
 cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is 
 rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: chain rub

[Steve]

What Mike Rossi said!  That would explain the peculiar situation of the 
chain rub at the bottom only. 

My money is on Mike.

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:35:39 AM UTC-4 Mike Rossi wrote:

> Also, you mentioned chain rubbing at the bottom and not the top. When I 
> received my frameset I had to adjust the derailleur hanger as it was 
> misaligned. That may be an issue as well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2024, at 4:49 AM, Mike Rossi  wrote:
>
> For the record, I’m using a 122.5 mm spindle on my Susie with a 1 mm 
> spacer added to the drive side. It gives plenty of clearance with 2.3’s. I 
> am using a 2 x 7 setup, so my biggest sprocket is a little further away 
> from center, but I think I could still clear the tire even if it were 
> closer. If I were using 2.6’s with a 11 speed cassette, I’d probably get 
> the Shimano bb that has a 123 mm spindle with a 2.5 mm spacer on the drive 
> side. I wouldn’t think there would be a chain rub issue with that setup.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2024, at 11:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> First, check chainline.
>
> Doesn't the Gus have typical long Rivendell stays? This should 
> structurally minimize the chance of such chain rub, so perhaps your spindle 
> is too short for proper chainline. Does Riv spec a spindle length for that 
> frame and a 1X11?
>
> OTOH, if the chainline is correct but you still need to add another couple 
> of mm to the drive side spindle for the chain to clear the tire, perhaps 
> adding a 1 or 2 mm spacer behind the DS cup will fix things, chainline be 
> damned.
>
> IMO chain clearance is more important than a perfect line. To paraphrase 
> what Grant said years and years ago when someone fretted that slighly 
> imperfect chainline might accelerate chain and sprocket wear, "If you are 
> riding enough to replace chains and cogs more frequently than you think you 
> should, then you are lucky to be riding so much." And modern chains do 
> tolerate a lot of deflection without greatly affecting performance or wear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:12 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> David, would a wider bottom bracket axle solve the issue?  How long is 
>> the current one?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:
>>
>>> I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain 
>>> rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears the 
>>> tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11 
>>> cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is 
>>> rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: chain rub

[Steve]

What Mike Rossi said!  That would explain the peculiar situation of the 
chain rub the bottom only. 

My money is on Mike.

On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 8:35:39 AM UTC-4 Mike Rossi wrote:

> Also, you mentioned chain rubbing at the bottom and not the top. When I 
> received my frameset I had to adjust the derailleur hanger as it was 
> misaligned. That may be an issue as well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 7, 2024, at 4:49 AM, Mike Rossi  wrote:
>
> For the record, I’m using a 122.5 mm spindle on my Susie with a 1 mm 
> spacer added to the drive side. It gives plenty of clearance with 2.3’s. I 
> am using a 2 x 7 setup, so my biggest sprocket is a little further away 
> from center, but I think I could still clear the tire even if it were 
> closer. If I were using 2.6’s with a 11 speed cassette, I’d probably get 
> the Shimano bb that has a 123 mm spindle with a 2.5 mm spacer on the drive 
> side. I wouldn’t think there would be a chain rub issue with that setup.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 6, 2024, at 11:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> First, check chainline.
>
> Doesn't the Gus have typical long Rivendell stays? This should 
> structurally minimize the chance of such chain rub, so perhaps your spindle 
> is too short for proper chainline. Does Riv spec a spindle length for that 
> frame and a 1X11?
>
> OTOH, if the chainline is correct but you still need to add another couple 
> of mm to the drive side spindle for the chain to clear the tire, perhaps 
> adding a 1 or 2 mm spacer behind the DS cup will fix things, chainline be 
> damned.
>
> IMO chain clearance is more important than a perfect line. To paraphrase 
> what Grant said years and years ago when someone fretted that slighly 
> imperfect chainline might accelerate chain and sprocket wear, "If you are 
> riding enough to replace chains and cogs more frequently than you think you 
> should, then you are lucky to be riding so much." And modern chains do 
> tolerate a lot of deflection without greatly affecting performance or wear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:12 PM Steve  wrote:
>
>> David, would a wider bottom bracket axle solve the issue?  How long is 
>> the current one?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:
>>
>>> I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain 
>>> rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears the 
>>> tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11 
>>> cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is 
>>> rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: chain rub

[Mike Rossi]

Also, you mentioned chain rubbing at the bottom and not the top. When I received my frameset I had to adjust the derailleur hanger as it was misaligned. That may be an issue as well.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 7, 2024, at 4:49 AM, Mike Rossi  wrote:For the record, I’m using a 122.5 mm spindle on my Susie with a 1 mm spacer added to the drive side. It gives plenty of clearance with 2.3’s. I am using a 2 x 7 setup, so my biggest sprocket is a little further away from center, but I think I could still clear the tire even if it were closer. If I were using 2.6’s with a 11 speed cassette, I’d probably get the Shimano bb that has a 123 mm spindle with a 2.5 mm spacer on the drive side. I wouldn’t think there would be a chain rub issue with that setup.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 6, 2024, at 11:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:First, check chainline.Doesn't the Gus have typical long Rivendell stays? This should structurally minimize the chance of such chain rub, so perhaps your spindle is too short for proper chainline. Does Riv spec a spindle length for that frame and a 1X11?OTOH, if the chainline is correct but you still need to add another couple of mm to the drive side spindle for the chain to clear the tire, perhaps adding a 1 or 2 mm spacer behind the DS cup will fix things, chainline be damned.IMO chain clearance is more important than a perfect line. To paraphrase what Grant said years and years ago when someone fretted that slighly imperfect chainline might accelerate chain and sprocket wear, "If you are riding enough to replace chains and cogs more frequently than you think you should, then you are lucky to be riding so much." And modern chains do tolerate a lot of deflection without greatly affecting performance or wear.On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:12 PM Steve  wrote:David, would a wider bottom bracket axle solve the issue?  How long is the current one?On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears the tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11 cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: chain rub

[Mike Rossi]

For the record, I’m using a 122.5 mm spindle on my Susie with a 1 mm spacer added to the drive side. It gives plenty of clearance with 2.3’s. I am using a 2 x 7 setup, so my biggest sprocket is a little further away from center, but I think I could still clear the tire even if it were closer. If I were using 2.6’s with a 11 speed cassette, I’d probably get the Shimano bb that has a 123 mm spindle with a 2.5 mm spacer on the drive side. I wouldn’t think there would be a chain rub issue with that setup.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 6, 2024, at 11:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:First, check chainline.Doesn't the Gus have typical long Rivendell stays? This should structurally minimize the chance of such chain rub, so perhaps your spindle is too short for proper chainline. Does Riv spec a spindle length for that frame and a 1X11?OTOH, if the chainline is correct but you still need to add another couple of mm to the drive side spindle for the chain to clear the tire, perhaps adding a 1 or 2 mm spacer behind the DS cup will fix things, chainline be damned.IMO chain clearance is more important than a perfect line. To paraphrase what Grant said years and years ago when someone fretted that slighly imperfect chainline might accelerate chain and sprocket wear, "If you are riding enough to replace chains and cogs more frequently than you think you should, then you are lucky to be riding so much." And modern chains do tolerate a lot of deflection without greatly affecting performance or wear.On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:12 PM Steve  wrote:David, would a wider bottom bracket axle solve the issue?  How long is the current one?On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears the tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11 cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: chain rub

[Patrick Moore]

First, check chainline.

Doesn't the Gus have typical long Rivendell stays? This should structurally
minimize the chance of such chain rub, so perhaps your spindle is too short
for proper chainline. Does Riv spec a spindle length for that frame and a
1X11?

OTOH, if the chainline is correct but you still need to add another couple
of mm to the drive side spindle for the chain to clear the tire, perhaps
adding a 1 or 2 mm spacer behind the DS cup will fix things, chainline be
damned.

IMO chain clearance is more important than a perfect line. To paraphrase
what Grant said years and years ago when someone fretted that slighly
imperfect chainline might accelerate chain and sprocket wear, "If you are
riding enough to replace chains and cogs more frequently than you think you
should, then you are lucky to be riding so much." And modern chains do
tolerate a lot of deflection without greatly affecting performance or wear.








On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:12 PM Steve  wrote:

> David, would a wider bottom bracket axle solve the issue?  How long is the
> current one?
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:
>
>> I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain
>> rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears the
>> tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11
>> cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is
>> rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated.
>
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[RBW] Re: chain rub

[Steve]

David, would a wider bottom bracket axle solve the issue?  How long is the 
current one?



On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-4 David Ross wrote:

> I built up a Gus recently. I used a 1x11 Deore derailleur and the chain 
> rubs the tire in the largest cog. The chain above the chain stay clears the 
> tire, but below the chain stay the chain rubs the tire. Is my problem 1x11 
> cassettes with 135 spacing? I'm only running 2.25 tires and the Gus is 
> rated up to 2.6. Any help would be much appreciated. 

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[RBW] Re: film photos on bike rides

['Peter Bridge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

George, I've heard good things about this guy. 

Rollei Repairs By Harry Fleenor 

~Peter Bridge

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 2:52:13 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Stephen - I'm jealous.  A while ago I broke out my old Rollei 35s and went 
> to the camera shop to buy a roll of B film and a new battery for the 
> light sensor to shoot some photos.  Turned out that the old (~1976) Rollei 
> had developed mechanical issues that prevented the shutter from closing 
> until the film was advanced, overexposing the film.  I couldn't find any 
> shop that would do repairs, but I did find a very involved YouTube 
> explaining how to DIY.  The process was way, way too involved so back in 
> the cabinet went the camera where it will sit for no good reason.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 11:02:52 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Been taking more film photos with the rollei 35 led since recently moving 
>> to the sfbay area again and I just got a couple rolls developed. Thought it 
>> might be nice to start a conversation for folks to post film photos shot on 
>> bike rides.
>>
>>
>> [image: kirby.jpeg]
>> Kirby cove
>>
>> [image: rodeo.jpeg]
>> Rodeo valley
>>
>> [image: geese.jpeg]
>> geese near albany bulb
>>
>> [image: tam.jpeg]
>> Tam from the headlands.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Toyo Atlantis - 58

[dylan green]

willing to sell just the frameset as well

On Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 3:05:36 PM UTC-7 dylan green wrote:

> 58 Toyo Atlantis - amazing condition. I've owned this on and off for some 
> time now, (it was in my brothers care for a bit) - but I have to come to 
> terms with the fact that I need to move on to some other things not even 
> necessarily bike related! $2800 - I'm open to shipping but would leave that 
> between you and a shop.
>
> What is included: 
> Frame/Fork
> Ultegra headset
> sealed BB 
> Sugino XD triple
> Deore LX rear derailleur
> Campy shifters (worked great with the RD)
> dynamo wheelset - sugino rear, sondeulxe wide front. 
> Front and rear lights (Lumotec front / toplight rear) 
> Rene Herse/Compass Barlow Pass tires
> nitto tallux stem and classic (I think?) bars
>
> I have some racks/bags that I will be listing separately.
>
> Everything is in really phenomenal shape. here is a link to photos: 
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kh4Jo2WlTV4i2AgDjgcFFQupRAt1NI8L?usp=sharing
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[RBW] Re: Parts strippers, as low as bike thieves

[Berkeleyan]

Thanks, and thanks, too, Bill. I already have the Falcons in hand, and 
she's happier with the de-blinging of the parts. And yes, absolutely, she's 
had good use of the bike all these years (bicycles is how we met!) but I do 
my best to keep it rolling for her.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 12:49:46 AM UTC-7 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:

Andrew, sorry to hear this. if you haven't already ordered the falcons, I 
have a new set that I would be happy to give you. I picked them up to test 
out some new handlebar options for my son's X0-3. Sorry to say, soon after 
I finished that project, the bike was stolen from his garage in SF. 

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 4:53:33 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

Sure the timing stinks, but if she's ridden the bike since it was new in 
1993, and parks it daily on the UC Berkeley campus, and this is the worst 
theft experience, that's not that bad.  

I have a single left side Micro Shift shifter that I can leave on my porch 
in El Cerrito for you to come take.  $20 and it's yours.  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53833370068/in/dateposted/

It's the thumb shifter in the upper part of the photo.  It has that 
familiar micro-ratchet feel to it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[George Schick]

I'm puzzled by the posted frame size for this bike.  For a bike with a 19" 
seat tube I would expect to see a much shorter head tube.  Unless it just 
has a top tube with a lot of slope.  It's hard to tell from that photo 
because the picture was take with the bike on a downward slant.


On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:

> I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not 
> know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only a 
> few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned 
> this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one.  
> I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at 
> suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995. 
> I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before 
> hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet, 
> both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it 
> is time to clean out the stable.
>
>
> This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat 
> tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think 
> it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 inch 
> Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, and 
> Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto 
> Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro 
> cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the 
> bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not 
> included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the 
> seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple, 
> 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but not 
> new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  Some 
> can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  I 
> have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage. 
>
>
> This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in 
> Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to subtract 
> $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home or near my 
> home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.
>
>
> Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.  
>
>
> Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further 
> pictures of your choosing.[image: IMG_2403.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B67 Saddle, honey brown

[Matthew Williams]

Sold!

On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 11:58:35 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Brooks B67 saddle.
> Honey brown.
> Gently used with some beausage.
>
> $90 shipped, or best offer.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Brian Turner]

Jeff Frane (from Wilde Bikes, founder of All City Cycles, @bikejerks on
instagra) purchased all three Rivs from this seller.
He made an Instagram post about it the day after this post was made here.

-Brian
Lexington KY

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 10:03 AM R. Alexis  wrote:

> Who is the lucky duck that gets this beauty?
>
> Off topic, really should get a local area RBW/iBOB ride together.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 7:27:50 PM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> A... of course.
>> The Mountain was "pre" Joe/Curt builds.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing that.
>>
>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 9:26:11 AM UTC-7 Father of Sam wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Weird that this is my first time ever responding or posting anything to
>>> this group in 15 years, but I thought it might be helpful to drop this here:
>>>
>>> https://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/serial-numbers/
>>>
>>> The letter corresponds to the month of the year (skipping 'I'), so this
>>> beautiful bike was the 87th frame built at Waterford in October of '96.
>>> What an absolute treasure!
>>>
>>> -Peter
>>> NorCal
>>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:

 Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087.


 It was built in Waterford in 1996. The "K" indicates which builder at
 Waterford wielded the torch.

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[R. Alexis]

Who is the lucky duck that gets this beauty? 

Off topic, really should get a local area RBW/iBOB ride together. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 7:27:50 PM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> A... of course. 
> The Mountain was "pre" Joe/Curt builds. 
>
> Thanks for sharing that. 
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 9:26:11 AM UTC-7 Father of Sam wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Weird that this is my first time ever responding or posting anything to 
>> this group in 15 years, but I thought it might be helpful to drop this here:
>>
>> https://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/serial-numbers/
>>
>> The letter corresponds to the month of the year (skipping 'I'), so this 
>> beautiful bike was the 87th frame built at Waterford in October of '96.  
>> What an absolute treasure!
>>
>> -Peter
>> NorCal
>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>>>
>>> Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. 
>>>
>>>
>>> It was built in Waterford in 1996. The "K" indicates which builder at 
>>> Waterford wielded the torch. 
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: NBD - Purple Appaloosa

[Dan]

Just came back to say I finally have my dynamo lights installed (Edelux II 
front, B+M micro rear).
I also notice vibrations, but for me it's at higher speeds. It's not 
bothering me so far - it's just a thing that happens. I love how much 
useable light the front light puts out though, and the rear is surprisingly 
visible for its size.
Oh, and mounting the shifters upside down has significantly increased the 
versatility of the bars. I can now rest my hands right up the grips near 
the lever clamp, which puts my weight just that little bit more forward 
when I want to and settles the handling nicely. I'm going to try out some 
ESI chunkys as a next change. It's fun to keep tweaking and dialing in the 
ride!

On Monday 24 June 2024 at 15:52:54 UTC+9:30 bbraz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello!
> This thread has inspired me to make my first post to this group. I enjoyed 
> reading your bike history, Dan, as I have a similar evolution from Surly to 
> Rivendell. I'm a first-time Riv owner and still grinning - I also have a 
> brand new purple Appaloosa! I was also skeptical of the purple and 
> initially wanted the green color, but I have to admit that the purple looks 
> really good in person. I also have the Uncle Ron's Ortho bars and love 
> them. And I deliberated for a long time about getting the Ortlieb Quick 
> Rack or a rear rack that better fits the Riv style. Ultimately I decided 
> for the Quick Rack, and I think it was the right choice because I love 
> being able to take it off and put it back on again so quickly. Sometimes I 
> switch it out multiple times in the same day, depending on what I'm doing. 
> I typically use the rack, together with the mud guard and mud flap, when 
> I'm pulling a trailer in order to protect the passengers and cargo from 
> spraying mud. 
>
> The bike was built up by Christoph at Just La Vie Cyclery in Augsburg, 
> Germany, and he did a fantastic job. I highly recommend him for anyone in 
> Europe.
>
> Other details:
>
>- Frame is 60cm. My PBH is 92, and standover is only a problem when I 
>have something very tall loaded on top of the rear rack. While riding, the 
>size feels perfect, especially with the sweeping Ortho Bars. 
>- SON28 hub dynamo and Edelux II. The vibration from the dynamo is 
>surprisingly noticeable, even at lower speeds. After much reading and 
>consulting with Christoph, it seems that this is normal and due to the 
>extra strong magnets. 
>- Rear hub is White Industries MI5
>- Silver cranks and Silver thumbie shifters
>- Shimano XTR Rapid Rise derailer rescued by Christoph from ebay 
>- Deore XT front derailes
>- Paul Motolites and Love levers
>- Velocity Cliffhanger rims
>- Ultradynamico Mars - a little loud on pavement but velvety smooth 
>and grippy on everything else
>- Mark's M1 front rack looks great and also supports the absolutely 
>gigantic front bag that Bags by Bird made for me
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Parts strippers, as low as bike thieves

[Stephen Durfee]

Andrew, sorry to hear this. if you haven't already ordered the falcons, I 
have a new set that I would be happy to give you. I picked them up to test 
out some new handlebar options for my son's X0-3. Sorry to say, soon after 
I finished that project, the bike was stolen from his garage in SF. 

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 4:53:33 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Sure the timing stinks, but if she's ridden the bike since it was new in 
> 1993, and parks it daily on the UC Berkeley campus, and this is the worst 
> theft experience, that's not that bad.  
>
> I have a single left side Micro Shift shifter that I can leave on my porch 
> in El Cerrito for you to come take.  $20 and it's yours.  
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53833370068/in/dateposted/
>
> It's the thumb shifter in the upper part of the photo.  It has that 
> familiar micro-ratchet feel to it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 9:44:54 AM UTC-7 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> A rant... I upgraded my wife's old B-Stone XO-5 with those very nice 
>> Sunrace shifters from RBW after one of her old thumbies broke. Apart from 
>> the Brooks saddle, they were the nicest components on the bike. But she 
>> parks it outside a library at Cal, and last week she left to discover 
>> someone had unbolted the front Sunrace mount, pried it apart (no hinge), 
>> and clipped the cable. Prying the mount like that (brake and cork grip 
>> prevented just sliding it off) surely ruined it... did they steal it just 
>> for the shifter lever? I guess it's not enough to lock with cable and 
>> U-lock combo that secures saddle and wheels to frame.
>>
>> I'm putting cheap Falcon thumbies on her bars now, and we're settled that 
>> her bike will never again wear any bling, nor will I touch up any scrapes. 
>> The saddle post is also secured with security bolts, after previous was 
>> swiped from same location.
>>
>> And it's why I rarely carry a lock on rides, I don't like leaving my 
>> bikes where I can't keep an eye on them.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: MKS XC-III bear trap pedals

[Kim H.]

SOLD ! 

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 5:06:35 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> I have for sale a nice pair of black and silver MKS XC-III bear trap 
> pedals I found in my parts drawer that I am not using. 
>
> Condition is excellent. Very low miles. Box included.
>
> $65.00, shipped in the lower 48 states. ... or MAKE ME AN OFFER.
> Paypal payment, please. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> [image: 20240703_173843.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Cyclofiend Jim]

A... of course. 
The Mountain was "pre" Joe/Curt builds. 

Thanks for sharing that. 

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 9:26:11 AM UTC-7 Father of Sam wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Weird that this is my first time ever responding or posting anything to 
> this group in 15 years, but I thought it might be helpful to drop this here:
>
> https://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/serial-numbers/
>
> The letter corresponds to the month of the year (skipping 'I'), so this 
> beautiful bike was the 87th frame built at Waterford in October of '96.  
> What an absolute treasure!
>
> -Peter
> NorCal
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>>
>> Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. 
>>
>>
>> It was built in Waterford in 1996. The "K" indicates which builder at 
>> Waterford wielded the torch. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Parts strippers, as low as bike thieves

[Bill Lindsay]

Sure the timing stinks, but if she's ridden the bike since it was new in 
1993, and parks it daily on the UC Berkeley campus, and this is the worst 
theft experience, that's not that bad.  

I have a single left side Micro Shift shifter that I can leave on my porch 
in El Cerrito for you to come take.  $20 and it's yours.  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53833370068/in/dateposted/

It's the thumb shifter in the upper part of the photo.  It has that 
familiar micro-ratchet feel to it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 9:44:54 AM UTC-7 Berkeleyan wrote:

> A rant... I upgraded my wife's old B-Stone XO-5 with those very nice 
> Sunrace shifters from RBW after one of her old thumbies broke. Apart from 
> the Brooks saddle, they were the nicest components on the bike. But she 
> parks it outside a library at Cal, and last week she left to discover 
> someone had unbolted the front Sunrace mount, pried it apart (no hinge), 
> and clipped the cable. Prying the mount like that (brake and cork grip 
> prevented just sliding it off) surely ruined it... did they steal it just 
> for the shifter lever? I guess it's not enough to lock with cable and 
> U-lock combo that secures saddle and wheels to frame.
>
> I'm putting cheap Falcon thumbies on her bars now, and we're settled that 
> her bike will never again wear any bling, nor will I touch up any scrapes. 
> The saddle post is also secured with security bolts, after previous was 
> swiped from same location.
>
> And it's why I rarely carry a lock on rides, I don't like leaving my bikes 
> where I can't keep an eye on them.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Re: Parts strippers, as low as bike thieves

[Kim H.]

@Andrew,
I am sorry about your wife's stolen SunRace thumbshiter.

I just want to say that my best lock for my old road bike I rode for nearly 
40 years were my own two eyes. I never let it out of my sight living in the 
South San Francisco Bay Area back in the 1970's.

Kim Hetzel.

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 11:47:39 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> A thief is of the lowest class of man. 
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 2:19:03 PM UTC-4 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hard to argue that Sunrace shifters are nice enough to be visibly 
>> theft-worthy.  What a bummer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 2:06:48 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> All major metropolitan areas up and down the West Coast, the Rockies 
>>> (Denver), the Midwest (Chicago), and the NE (NYC, etc.) are having the same 
>>> problem.  We could probe into the reasons for these crimes and/or their 
>>> lack of punishment when committed, but that would hastily drift into 
>>> political discussions which are forbidden on this blog for very good 
>>> reasons.  I would offer this advice:  If you have a bike all decked out 
>>> with pretty anodized "bling" components be careful where and how you lock 
>>> it up.  Or, if you have a bike outfitted with recognizable high-end 
>>> components, the same advice.  Beyond that, you're on your own.  If I were 
>>> still into mixed-mode commuting I'd use the oldest, ugliest beater I could 
>>> find that would get me to the train station and back again.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 11:44:54 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>>
 A rant... I upgraded my wife's old B-Stone XO-5 with those very nice 
 Sunrace shifters from RBW after one of her old thumbies broke. Apart from 
 the Brooks saddle, they were the nicest components on the bike. But she 
 parks it outside a library at Cal, and last week she left to discover 
 someone had unbolted the front Sunrace mount, pried it apart (no hinge), 
 and clipped the cable. Prying the mount like that (brake and cork grip 
 prevented just sliding it off) surely ruined it... did they steal it just 
 for the shifter lever? I guess it's not enough to lock with cable and 
 U-lock combo that secures saddle and wheels to frame.

 I'm putting cheap Falcon thumbies on her bars now, and we're settled 
 that her bike will never again wear any bling, nor will I touch up any 
 scrapes. The saddle post is also secured with security bolts, after 
 previous was swiped from same location.

 And it's why I rarely carry a lock on rides, I don't like leaving my 
 bikes where I can't keep an eye on them.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Ryan]

Thanks for that Peter...I knew I had read about this somewhere and wasn't 
just making stuff up...I do know the later customs have the initials of the 
builder along with the year. That being said, it is a lovely bike from the 
classic era and may go some way to explaining why I can't seem to let go of 
my 97 A/R yet. Hoarding, I know

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 11:26:11 AM UTC-5 Father of Sam wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Weird that this is my first time ever responding or posting anything to 
> this group in 15 years, but I thought it might be helpful to drop this here:
>
> https://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/serial-numbers/
>
> The letter corresponds to the month of the year (skipping 'I'), so this 
> beautiful bike was the 87th frame built at Waterford in October of '96.  
> What an absolute treasure!
>
> -Peter
> NorCal
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>>
>> Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. 
>>
>>
>> It was built in Waterford in 1996. The "K" indicates which builder at 
>> Waterford wielded the torch. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 57 Orange Roadini frameset

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

PM sent…
Thanks-
-Frank 
On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 2:24:30 PM UTC-4 gson...@gmail.com wrote:

> $950 plus shipping (probably around $60-80)
>
> Located in LA area. If interested I will email you more photos. Thanks!
>
> -- 
> G. Sonstein
>

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[RBW] Re: Parts strippers, as low as bike thieves

[Josh C]

A thief is of the lowest class of man. 

On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 2:19:03 PM UTC-4 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hard to argue that Sunrace shifters are nice enough to be visibly 
> theft-worthy.  What a bummer.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 2:06:48 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> All major metropolitan areas up and down the West Coast, the Rockies 
>> (Denver), the Midwest (Chicago), and the NE (NYC, etc.) are having the same 
>> problem.  We could probe into the reasons for these crimes and/or their 
>> lack of punishment when committed, but that would hastily drift into 
>> political discussions which are forbidden on this blog for very good 
>> reasons.  I would offer this advice:  If you have a bike all decked out 
>> with pretty anodized "bling" components be careful where and how you lock 
>> it up.  Or, if you have a bike outfitted with recognizable high-end 
>> components, the same advice.  Beyond that, you're on your own.  If I were 
>> still into mixed-mode commuting I'd use the oldest, ugliest beater I could 
>> find that would get me to the train station and back again.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 11:44:54 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> A rant... I upgraded my wife's old B-Stone XO-5 with those very nice 
>>> Sunrace shifters from RBW after one of her old thumbies broke. Apart from 
>>> the Brooks saddle, they were the nicest components on the bike. But she 
>>> parks it outside a library at Cal, and last week she left to discover 
>>> someone had unbolted the front Sunrace mount, pried it apart (no hinge), 
>>> and clipped the cable. Prying the mount like that (brake and cork grip 
>>> prevented just sliding it off) surely ruined it... did they steal it just 
>>> for the shifter lever? I guess it's not enough to lock with cable and 
>>> U-lock combo that secures saddle and wheels to frame.
>>>
>>> I'm putting cheap Falcon thumbies on her bars now, and we're settled 
>>> that her bike will never again wear any bling, nor will I touch up any 
>>> scrapes. The saddle post is also secured with security bolts, after 
>>> previous was swiped from same location.
>>>
>>> And it's why I rarely carry a lock on rides, I don't like leaving my 
>>> bikes where I can't keep an eye on them.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Parts strippers, as low as bike thieves

[Will Boericke]

Hard to argue that Sunrace shifters are nice enough to be visibly 
theft-worthy.  What a bummer.





On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 2:06:48 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> All major metropolitan areas up and down the West Coast, the Rockies 
> (Denver), the Midwest (Chicago), and the NE (NYC, etc.) are having the same 
> problem.  We could probe into the reasons for these crimes and/or their 
> lack of punishment when committed, but that would hastily drift into 
> political discussions which are forbidden on this blog for very good 
> reasons.  I would offer this advice:  If you have a bike all decked out 
> with pretty anodized "bling" components be careful where and how you lock 
> it up.  Or, if you have a bike outfitted with recognizable high-end 
> components, the same advice.  Beyond that, you're on your own.  If I were 
> still into mixed-mode commuting I'd use the oldest, ugliest beater I could 
> find that would get me to the train station and back again.
>
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 11:44:54 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> A rant... I upgraded my wife's old B-Stone XO-5 with those very nice 
>> Sunrace shifters from RBW after one of her old thumbies broke. Apart from 
>> the Brooks saddle, they were the nicest components on the bike. But she 
>> parks it outside a library at Cal, and last week she left to discover 
>> someone had unbolted the front Sunrace mount, pried it apart (no hinge), 
>> and clipped the cable. Prying the mount like that (brake and cork grip 
>> prevented just sliding it off) surely ruined it... did they steal it just 
>> for the shifter lever? I guess it's not enough to lock with cable and 
>> U-lock combo that secures saddle and wheels to frame.
>>
>> I'm putting cheap Falcon thumbies on her bars now, and we're settled that 
>> her bike will never again wear any bling, nor will I touch up any scrapes. 
>> The saddle post is also secured with security bolts, after previous was 
>> swiped from same location.
>>
>> And it's why I rarely carry a lock on rides, I don't like leaving my 
>> bikes where I can't keep an eye on them.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Parts strippers, as low as bike thieves

[George Schick]

All major metropolitan areas up and down the West Coast, the Rockies 
(Denver), the Midwest (Chicago), and the NE (NYC, etc.) are having the same 
problem.  We could probe into the reasons for these crimes and/or their 
lack of punishment when committed, but that would hastily drift into 
political discussions which are forbidden on this blog for very good 
reasons.  I would offer this advice:  If you have a bike all decked out 
with pretty anodized "bling" components be careful where and how you lock 
it up.  Or, if you have a bike outfitted with recognizable high-end 
components, the same advice.  Beyond that, you're on your own.  If I were 
still into mixed-mode commuting I'd use the oldest, ugliest beater I could 
find that would get me to the train station and back again.


On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 11:44:54 AM UTC-5 Berkeleyan wrote:

> A rant... I upgraded my wife's old B-Stone XO-5 with those very nice 
> Sunrace shifters from RBW after one of her old thumbies broke. Apart from 
> the Brooks saddle, they were the nicest components on the bike. But she 
> parks it outside a library at Cal, and last week she left to discover 
> someone had unbolted the front Sunrace mount, pried it apart (no hinge), 
> and clipped the cable. Prying the mount like that (brake and cork grip 
> prevented just sliding it off) surely ruined it... did they steal it just 
> for the shifter lever? I guess it's not enough to lock with cable and 
> U-lock combo that secures saddle and wheels to frame.
>
> I'm putting cheap Falcon thumbies on her bars now, and we're settled that 
> her bike will never again wear any bling, nor will I touch up any scrapes. 
> The saddle post is also secured with security bolts, after previous was 
> swiped from same location.
>
> And it's why I rarely carry a lock on rides, I don't like leaving my bikes 
> where I can't keep an eye on them.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Father of Sam]

Hello all,

Weird that this is my first time ever responding or posting anything to 
this group in 15 years, but I thought it might be helpful to drop this here:

https://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/serial-numbers/

The letter corresponds to the month of the year (skipping 'I'), so this 
beautiful bike was the 87th frame built at Waterford in October of '96.  
What an absolute treasure!

-Peter
NorCal
On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:
>
> Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. 
>
>
> It was built in Waterford in 1996. The "K" indicates which builder at 
> Waterford wielded the torch. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[R. Alexis]

That is a Rivendell Mountain from the first production bikes made by 
Waterford when Rivendell first started. From what I understand very few 
Mountains were produced. My guess is probably less than 50. I have one that 
I ordered new from Rivendell. 

You are relatively local and this is in my size range. If I was not overrun 
with bikes and didn't already have one I would have snagged it and been at 
your place today!

Hope the new owner is happy with it. 

Reginald Alexis

On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:

> I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not 
> know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only a 
> few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned 
> this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one.  
> I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at 
> suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995. 
> I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before 
> hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet, 
> both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it 
> is time to clean out the stable.
>
>
> This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat 
> tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think 
> it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 inch 
> Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, and 
> Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto 
> Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro 
> cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the 
> bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not 
> included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the 
> seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple, 
> 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but not 
> new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  Some 
> can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  I 
> have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage. 
>
>
> This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in 
> Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to subtract 
> $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home or near my 
> home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.
>
>
> Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.  
>
>
> Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further 
> pictures of your choosing.[image: IMG_2403.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[Ted Durant]

On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:

Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. 


It was built in Waterford in 1996. The "K" indicates which builder at 
Waterford wielded the torch. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA 

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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[DavidP]

Mark - my silver bike is an early 2000s aluminum framed Marin MTB. The 
brushed aluminum frame is what caught my attention when it popped up 
locally. I rebuilt it from the frame up as kind of an ATB cruiser and use 
it as my vacation / campground bike. I love the way it rides.

There are some photos from when it was built over in this BikeForums 
thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/23054376-post1150.html

That's a nice story about meeting Bob Shields. I remember seeing the 
Southwest Cycle shop as we drove down Main street in Southwest Harbor on 
our recent trip.

-Dave

On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 4:54:50 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> [image: IMG_4759.jpeg]
>
> Happy 4th!
> On Monday, June 24, 2024 at 4:14:05 PM UTC-6 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> Okay, it's officially summer. Near perfect conditions today, lots of sun, 
>> not much wind (and what there was came of the lake so nice and cool), 
>> fields starting to come up. It's been a wet spring so it's green green 
>> green everywhere. Paradise Rd is ... paradise on wheels. Downhill this 
>> direction.
>>
>> [image: IMG_2160.jpeg]
>> [image: IMG_2163.jpeg]
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Prototype mountain bike for sale

[David Blessing]

I will do my best. It gets a bit boxed up, today at the bike shop. What pictures are you wanting?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 4, 2024, at 10:23 PM, Danny  wrote:Very cool! I know it's sold, but can we get some more photos of it in this thread before it's shipped off?DannyMadison, WIOn Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 9:58 PM Ryan  wrote:That is a piece of history all right. This might be a moot point since the bike has been sold, not surprising...but I seem to remember in the depths of Rivendell lore, either in  a reader,  maybe in a  response to a question someone asked that Waterford assigned the letters of the alphabet sequentially to indicate the month of production A=Jan, B= Febso K=November and then followed it with year of productionOn Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 8:30:10 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:This bicycle has been sold.  Thanks for viewing and being so kind.  On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 6:10:17 PM UTC-5 David Blessing wrote:I am offering for sale, my Rivendell, prototype mountain bike. I do not know a lot of history about this frame. I believe that it was one of only a few prototypes of a mountain bike format made by Rivendell. I have owned this bike for many years and have never run into anyone else who owns one.  I am not sure when it was made, although some posts I have looked at suggest that Rivendell was planning a mountain bike somewhere around 1995. I purchased this frame from a BOB, built it up and rode it once before hanging it in my office shop along side of my Atlantis and my Rambouillet, both of which are also for sale.  I am approaching 71 years of age, and it is time to clean out the stable.

This bicycle has a frame that is 49cm from center to the top of the seat tube or 19”. I’m not up on mountain bike sizing, but I am 5’9” and I think it fits me fine. This Bicycle has White Industries hubs attached to 26 inch Velocity Aeroheat AT  rims, a Shimano Deore Mega 9 front derailleur, and Shimano Deore rear derailleur, cool unidentified handlebar, and Nitto Technomic stem. It also has Dura Ace brake levers and Suntour XC Pro cantilever  brakes. The rack pictured goes with the bike. Stamped into the bottom bracket is the serial number K96087. The saddle and pedals are not included and  I will probably keep the Baggins bag. I am not sure if  the seat post is a Nitto or not. The crank is a Suntour XC Pro triple, 42x32x20.  Shifters are Silver Bar ends. This bicycle is beautiful, but not new.  It has some nicks and scrapes especially around the chain area.  Some can be touched up, a couple would only be repairable with a repaint.  I have included a picture of the worst.  I call them beausage. 

This bicycle will be packed by my wonderful friends at the Bike Shed in Kearney, Nebraska and shipped via bike flights. I will be happy to subtract $200 from my price if you would like to road trip it to my home or near my home near Elwood, Nebraska to pick it up.

Price:  $1850.00 shipped to you in the CONUS.  

Should you be interested, I will be happy to supply you with further pictures of your choosing.



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