Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
No, it was Eddy Mielsmore On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:48 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: do you mean the famous Belgian, Fabiano Ridemore? On Apr 28, 5:13 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: I agree with Kent, who agrees with that guy from Belgium who said: Ride more. Bill In a message dated 4/28/2010 7:34:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjawn...@gmail.com writes: Don't train, practice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Apr 28, 5:54 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: No, but let me give you a hint : EM, and just to make it easier and cut the possibilities in half: Mr. EM. Eddie Munster? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
http://tinyurl.com/28wvqgd --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike mjawn...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:18 AM On Apr 28, 5:54 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: No, but let me give you a hint : EM, and just to make it easier and cut the possibilities in half: Mr. EM. Eddie Munster? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
on 4/27/10 7:55 PM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: owww!this sounds like painful training ! Yea. Sorry about that. My only point was that it's easy to get in a rut or take a set and sometimes takes a concious act to get out. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
What I like to do for training [which is really just errands and just riding] to be able to chase down and satisfy those urges for overtaking pretty much anyone within sight: 1. Ride my Surly Big Dummy a lot, and with groceries and 78lb daughter onboard, and do it as fast and as hard as I possibly can. 2. Ride my Surly Pugsley up and down Mt. Tabor a lot, as fast and hard as I can possibly go... and do group rides on it too [these days I can average 18mph on the Pug for a 2.5-3hr ride, which isn't that fair off my average on my more Road-Centric bike, my Bob Brown custom, which I can hold onto a 22mph average for 4 hours w/bags on-bike]. Most days I'll do 40-50 miles on either the Pug or Big Dummy, weekends are for the Bob Brown. The dividends of the Pug Dummy seem to pay off nicely. And then: when I do ride my Bob Brown, speed and holding onto that speed really seems much easier. I do feel pretty tired at the end of each day though, but I like that. -Scott On Apr 28, 1:14 pm, tarik saleh tariksa...@gmail.com wrote: Gino, Great advice. Probably implied in your first comment, but intervals are critical to increasing speed and ability to deal with rapid changes in pace in group rides/races. Even on organized century rides/brevets etc, if you are getting dropped from a paceline it is probably because you coukld not cope wityh a change in pace. Good luck and have fun. Intervals can suck, but they can also make short boring rides much more palatable (like to the grocery store and back...) Tarik On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: If I were to give advice, which I don't claim to be qualified to give, I'd say do the following if you're looking to be faster: 1) train to ride fast. Shorter rides at higher intensity. Ride a lot. Hard. 2) light wheels and tires 3) ditch the big touring rack, and use it for camping/touring 4) use a lighter wide-range compact double 5) if you live where it doesn't rain in the summer (like we do in California), ditch the fenders for the summer. 6) save a quarter pound(er) on a Ti B17 But really, ride. And sportier wheels. And no huge touring rack. Go! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog:http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Don't train, practice. http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/07/i-dont-train-i-practice.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
I agree with Kent, who agrees with that guy from Belgium who said: Ride more. Bill In a message dated 4/28/2010 7:34:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjawn...@gmail.com writes: Don't train, practice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
do you mean the famous Belgian, Fabiano Ridemore? On Apr 28, 5:13 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: I agree with Kent, who agrees with that guy from Belgium who said: Ride more. Bill In a message dated 4/28/2010 7:34:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjawn...@gmail.com writes: Don't train, practice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
No, but let me give you a hint : EM, and just to make it easier and cut the possibilities in half: Mr. EM. In a message dated 4/28/2010 8:48:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eddie.fla...@att.net writes: do you mean the famous Belgian, Fabiano Ridemore? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
No worriesI can dig it and I do agree. One can get stuck in a rut. When I commute in city traffic its always interval training trying to make it through the darn traffic lights. I did this on a single speed for a year averaging 17 miles a day and winding up my rpm to 120+ quite often and that's with no retention on a 25 year old junk parts bike. I loved it, no gears and riding hard while keeping my fast twitchies around as I passed the 1/2 century mark. I tend to agree with Gino on the bike setup, pretty elementary really and just training like you mean it but in an incremental sort of way so you don't blow out a knee or float a valve in yer old ticker ! On Apr 28, 9:41 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 4/27/10 7:55 PM, charlie at charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: owww!this sounds like painful training ! Yea. Sorry about that. My only point was that it's easy to get in a rut or take a set and sometimes takes a concious act to get out. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I had to ride slow because I was taking my guerrilla route, the one I follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Freddy Mertz? http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4513946928/ On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:48 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: do you mean the famous Belgian, Fabiano Ridemore? On Apr 28, 5:13 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote: I agree with Kent, who agrees with that guy from Belgium who said: Ride more. Bill In a message dated 4/28/2010 7:34:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mjawn...@gmail.com writes: Don't train, practice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
There is one more thing to say in favor of a racing position; though this term is really a false one, since it is used by riders who have no thought whatsoever of racing; and that is that it is in a sense more comfortable for putting out power if you like to push yourself. The butt-back, lower bar position (and I am speaking only of a modestly low bar; no attempt at a truly flat back) feels good because it optimizes weight distribution and power generation. I often get into my hooks (a mere 4 cm below saddle) simply for a change of position, or to maintain speed up a slight incline, wind not the issue. It also in my experience of four Rivendell models, three customs, brings out the best handling in Grant's long rear-center, shortish front-center designs. Even my Hillborne, on which I want higher bars for multi day touring, and the newly brazed and painted Monocog, where I want a higher position off road, let me get back and low simply by riding the hooks and bending my elbows. I've found excessively high bars unweight the front end too much and make it feel unstable; my Hillborne bars are about 1 cm above saddle, those of the Monocog (with a longer cockpit even than the H) about 2 cm above versus the 4-5 cm above that the Hillborne was originally set up with on the Riv floor. (I have the old floor model.) And I have short arms. So, I'd suggest a position that, while it lets you straighten up, also does not deprive you of that wonderful butt-back, arms low and lightly resting on the bars position that PJW among others describes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:32 PM, benzzoy benz...@yahoo.com wrote: I also have significant reservations about the heavy wheels comments. Anyone with a trainer can try this out: Rack each bike up on the trainer, disengage the drag mechanism, and pedal. Put on some load and then pedal again. See? The difference in wheel weight gets overwhelmed into noise when an actual, realistic load is factored in. Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light one is amazing. Perhaps I notice the difference more because I ride fixed mostly and I have to stand to climb many hills. My two custom Rivs' light 559 or 571 (1550 gram for the commuter) wheelsets are amazingly different from even the modestly beefy Alex/IRC Tandem 30s 622 wheeset of the Motobecane fixed gear. And as for the 900+ gram (each) Big Apples and 780 gram (each) SnoCat S(uper) L(ight)s rims, I can tell you that climbing a 1/2 mile, steepish hill against a stiff wind is . OTOH, you do notice how heavy wheels maintain their speed better on flats (tho' the 65 mm actual BAs really, truly, do act as sails in the wind: sidewinds and headwinds). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light one is amazing. This is going to be truer for a person riding a fixie, or a person (like me) who rides a geared bike but doesn't pedal smoothly. Slowing down and speeding up that wheel is going to take a lot of energy. The smooth pedaller doesn't have that problem. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Interesting analysis; so it's the surging that brings out the advantage of a light wheel on a climb. I do notice that I tend to surge and, when on a fixed gear, even while sitting, if you are pedaling at a slow rpm, the bike tends to momentarily slow, then speed up as you pedal. I shall have to try climbing on the Sam Hill in a low gear (I tend not to downshift for climbs except when heavily loaded.) Still, as Aristotle said, we know the mean from the extremes, and if you compare the Monocog's wheels with very light ones, I'll bet my two custom made cycling hats that even with gears as low as you please, you'd find the lighter wheel easier to get up the hill. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light one is amazing. This is going to be truer for a person riding a fixie, or a person (like me) who rides a geared bike but doesn't pedal smoothly. Slowing down and speeding up that wheel is going to take a lot of energy. The smooth pedaller doesn't have that problem. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Not sure this helps, but I find that some bikes make me want to ride faster than others. So it's not (necessarily) that they ARE much faster, but they beg to be ridden hard, to use a cliche. My Indy Fab Planet X is like that, to the point that it's actually difficult to ride it slowly. Probably a combination of position (low bars) and flexy frame (tigged 853). See http://cyclofiend.com/cx/2009/cx054-gernothuber1209.html Perhaps light weight also contributes, not because it is that much faster, but because it responds more immediately to rider input, thus giving more direct positive reinforcement for pushing harder? My Sam with higher bars (and stiffer tubing?) on the other hand seems to encourage a more moderate pace. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4424231067/ So if it's frame flex and light weight that encourage pushing hard, you may need a different frame (terraferma?). If bar position is a big factor, perhaps your Sam will be fine. Get some Cypres tires, lower the bars, and see what happens. You can always raise the bars partway through a century, since you have a threaded stem... :) Gernot On Apr 27, 1:24 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: There is one more thing to say in favor of a racing position; though this term is really a false one, since it is used by riders who have no thought whatsoever of racing; and that is that it is in a sense more comfortable for putting out power if you like to push yourself. The butt-back, lower bar position (and I am speaking only of a modestly low bar; no attempt at a truly flat back) feels good because it optimizes weight distribution and power generation. I often get into my hooks (a mere 4 cm below saddle) simply for a change of position, or to maintain speed up a slight incline, wind not the issue. It also in my experience of four Rivendell models, three customs, brings out the best handling in Grant's long rear-center, shortish front-center designs. Even my Hillborne, on which I want higher bars for multi day touring, and the newly brazed and painted Monocog, where I want a higher position off road, let me get back and low simply by riding the hooks and bending my elbows. I've found excessively high bars unweight the front end too much and make it feel unstable; my Hillborne bars are about 1 cm above saddle, those of the Monocog (with a longer cockpit even than the H) about 2 cm above versus the 4-5 cm above that the Hillborne was originally set up with on the Riv floor. (I have the old floor model.) And I have short arms. So, I'd suggest a position that, while it lets you straighten up, also does not deprive you of that wonderful butt-back, arms low and lightly resting on the bars position that PJW among others describes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Am going to support Patrick on this. On my two main bikes, on an average ride, the speed is about the same. But on a ride with significant climbing (for me), the Surly LHT with 26 wheels and Schwalbe Big Apple 2.0 is definitely slower. Believe the tires alone are about a half pound heavier than the 700x40 Marathon Supremes on the Sam Hillborne. Both bikes are set up pretty similarly, with bars 2 to 4cm above the saddle. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 27, 1:41 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting analysis; so it's the surging that brings out the advantage of a light wheel on a climb. I do notice that I tend to surge and, when on a fixed gear, even while sitting, if you are pedaling at a slow rpm, the bike tends to momentarily slow, then speed up as you pedal. I shall have to try climbing on the Sam Hill in a low gear (I tend not to downshift for climbs except when heavily loaded.) Still, as Aristotle said, we know the mean from the extremes, and if you compare the Monocog's wheels with very light ones, I'll bet my two custom made cycling hats that even with gears as low as you please, you'd find the lighter wheel easier to get up the hill. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:29 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Not when you are climbing; the difference between a heavy wheel and a light one is amazing. This is going to be truer for a person riding a fixie, or a person (like me) who rides a geared bike but doesn't pedal smoothly. Slowing down and speeding up that wheel is going to take a lot of energy. The smooth pedaller doesn't have that problem. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Apr 26, 6:29 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: ..1.5-3 mph slower really? So an extra thirty minutes on average to finish a 100 mile ride. That's about as much time as it takes to eat some bananas and bagels at the end of the ride and could mean something to you, I don't know but I seriously doubt you would be that much slower over that distance. I'll bet your riding pals being in poorer shape won't last and you will pass them 1/2 way through a century, regardless of what bike you ride. Lower bar, tight clothes, lighter wheels/tires and strip off any extras but personally I'd only change the tires and enjoy my ride and probably stop on the way for a beer too. That's fine, if you like riding alone. OTOH, getting dropped by a group and trudging home alone is not what everyone considers fun. And if the group sticks together and you're alone, you'll never see your riding partners again. Or (as happens with my club), they stop and wait for you, and start again when you catch up. They take rests, you don't, and you get more and more fatigued. Repeat that over 60 miles and you'll wind up as dead as I felt on Sunday... For the original poster - ditch all of the weight you can, use a lighter set of wheels with fewer spokes and light and fast tires. Use a tighter cassette, too, something like an 11-21 or 12-23. Having all of the intermediate cogs is good when you're going as hard as you can. A slightly more forward position may help. Wear tightish, non- parachutey clothing. And start saving up for a dedicated go-fast, so that your Sam can be left to do those things it does best. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Fastest season I ever had was the year I spent a few weeks early in the summer helping a buddy roof his house. Full tear off and re-decking, too. That's a core building workout right there! If you want to be faster on the bike, roof a house Steve Frederick, East Lansing MI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
When I need to speed up my Quickbeam I simply switch out the tires from 37c Paselas to 28c or maybe 32c Paselas. Lighter tires equal less rolling weight, quicker acceleration and a bit easier time on steep hills. Not being able to compensate with rolling gear changes on the QB accentuates the difference in tire changes. It's kinda amazing how different the bike feels with lighter tires and no other changes. On Apr 26, 11:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
I'm pretty sure you just described planing. Your IF works perfectly with your power and riding style (and it looks mahvelous, dahlink). What a great combo for you! On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure this helps, but I find that some bikes make me want to ride faster than others. So it's not (necessarily) that they ARE much faster, but they beg to be ridden hard, to use a cliche. My Indy Fab Planet X is like that, to the point that it's actually difficult to ride it slowly. Probably a combination of position (low bars) and flexy frame (tigged 853). See http://cyclofiend.com/cx/2009/cx054-gernothuber1209.html Perhaps light weight also contributes, not because it is that much faster, but because it responds more immediately to rider input, thus giving more direct positive reinforcement for pushing harder? My Sam with higher bars (and stiffer tubing?) on the other hand seems to encourage a more moderate pace. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4424231067/ So if it's frame flex and light weight that encourage pushing hard, you may need a different frame (terraferma?). If bar position is a big factor, perhaps your Sam will be fine. Get some Cypres tires, lower the bars, and see what happens. You can always raise the bars partway through a century, since you have a threaded stem... :) Gernot On Apr 27, 1:24 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: There is one more thing to say in favor of a racing position; though this term is really a false one, since it is used by riders who have no thought whatsoever of racing; and that is that it is in a sense more comfortable for putting out power if you like to push yourself. The butt-back, lower bar position (and I am speaking only of a modestly low bar; no attempt at a truly flat back) feels good because it optimizes weight distribution and power generation. I often get into my hooks (a mere 4 cm below saddle) simply for a change of position, or to maintain speed up a slight incline, wind not the issue. It also in my experience of four Rivendell models, three customs, brings out the best handling in Grant's long rear-center, shortish front-center designs. Even my Hillborne, on which I want higher bars for multi day touring, and the newly brazed and painted Monocog, where I want a higher position off road, let me get back and low simply by riding the hooks and bending my elbows. I've found excessively high bars unweight the front end too much and make it feel unstable; my Hillborne bars are about 1 cm above saddle, those of the Monocog (with a longer cockpit even than the H) about 2 cm above versus the 4-5 cm above that the Hillborne was originally set up with on the Riv floor. (I have the old floor model.) And I have short arms. So, I'd suggest a position that, while it lets you straighten up, also does not deprive you of that wonderful butt-back, arms low and lightly resting on the bars position that PJW among others describes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
You describe what is called an f**k you stop. The faster group stops to rest only long enough to let you catch up and then the group starts of quickly before you've had any rest. Not considerate. I know it in the context of hiking, but it could apply to cycling too. On Apr 27, 9:25 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote: On Apr 26, 6:29 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: That's fine, if you like riding alone. OTOH, getting dropped by a group and trudging home alone is not what everyone considers fun. And if the group sticks together and you're alone, you'll never see your riding partners again. Or (as happens with my club), they stop and wait for you, and start again when you catch up. They take rests, you don't, and you get more and more fatigued. Repeat that over 60 miles and you'll wind up as dead as I felt on Sunday... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 9:31 AM, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: You describe what is called an f**k you stop. The faster group stops to rest only long enough to let you catch up and then the group starts of quickly before you've had any rest. Not considerate. I know it in the context of hiking, but it could apply to cycling too. I've been on both sides of that, it's a tough spot. Sympathies wane when it's 3am and you're still. not. home. yet. (been there, last year) As for the OP's issue, i agree with Jim on trying different tires first, different wheels second. If you're climbing a lot, lighter wheels will help, otherwise not so much. A somewhat more upright and more comfortable position can certainly slow you a bit, but that may be a worthy compromise averaged over a century, given the reduced fatigue and ability to maintain speed later in the ride. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to the topic. I think many of the observations about obsessing less with how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate. I typically don't ride with others. Its usually just me out there listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on such a journey is irrelevant. When the opportunity to ride with others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're ostensibly the stronger rider. For now I will swap the tires for the event rides (looking at the Grand Bois 28s) and remove the rear rack. I am also looking into a lighter wheelset, including some that were mentioned in this thread, which will end up on the theoretical zippy bike of the future. I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride and wondering how I could go that far. Smug satisfaction taken. And for the record: I do not presently, and never have, wore parachute pants. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Owning a versatile bicycle with 2 very different wheelsets can be a great joy in life. I ride a Cyclocross bike most of the time. When I am touring or towing my son in the trailer or pothole dodging, I have some Pasela Tourguard 35s on 32 spoke Mavic rims. When I am climbing the hills on a group ride or a century, I have a set of Campagnolo Vento Wheels w/ 23mm Vittoria tires. Same bike. Two personalities. I wish I could leave work right now and go ride right now. It has the fast wheels on. cheers, Sean --- On Tue, 4/27/10, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: From: Darin G. dbg...@mac.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 1:25 PM Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to the topic. I think many of the observations about obsessing less with how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate. I typically don't ride with others. Its usually just me out there listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on such a journey is irrelevant. When the opportunity to ride with others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're ostensibly the stronger rider. For now I will swap the tires for the event rides (looking at the Grand Bois 28s) and remove the rear rack. I am also looking into a lighter wheelset, including some that were mentioned in this thread, which will end up on the theoretical zippy bike of the future. I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride and wondering how I could go that far. Smug satisfaction taken. And for the record: I do not presently, and never have, wore parachute pants. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
on 4/27/10 10:25 AM, Darin G. at dbg...@mac.com wrote: Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to the topic. I think many of the observations about obsessing less with how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate. I typically don't ride with others. Its usually just me out there listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on such a journey is irrelevant. When the opportunity to ride with others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're ostensibly the stronger rider. The other point which I didn't see addressed is whether you can stay stuck with these riders if you tuck in behind and enjoy their draft. Riding with faster riders (or riding with more technically skilled riders) can be a great tool for moving up a bit, speed wise. Here's the thing: Your body (like almost everyone else's) is basically lazy - it will adapt to the stress you put on it. So, if you ride at 73 rpms and 15.6 mph, the body will strengthen itself just to that point and maybe a smidgen extra. So, if you go riding with friends who ride much _shorter_ distances than you tend to, but ride at even slightly higher speeds, it will be very tough for you to ride, say at 90 rpms and 17 mph. You will probably find that you recover your breath much more quickly than your quicker friends, but can't necessarily match the short term efforts. Here's where the Primal/Grok thing comes into play - or, the thing you read in training manuals - about going either slow or fast. If you tend to mosey along at a middling pace, you aren't really building up fast twitch fast muscles or slow twitch endurance muscles. (And I'm not saying not to do so, but try a different approach for a couple weeks). Try really stomping up any hill or incline you encounter on a ride. Try riding a quarter of the distance you normally go, but with twice as much effort. Make a deal with your buddies that they won't drop you - stay stuck to their wheels no matter what so you ride at a slightly uncomfortably higher pace. What will happen is your body will react to offset this and you'll gain some speed. Now. Here's the disclaimer: Do Not Do This if you have physical restrictions, feel pain or haven't had a recent medical check up. Make sure you fully recover from this harder riding. This can be hard work, and for those of use who won't see 40 again, you should be careful, OK? I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride and wondering how I could go that far. Smug satisfaction taken. There are always those partners who can just bury themselves on a ride. Best to avoid them, or learn how to ask them questions requiring complex answers on topics they like to expound. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
owww!this sounds like painful training ! I'd rather just ride alone or find friends who ride at a similar pace or who are more considerate. I like to push myself now and then and have done so much more in the past than I am letting on here but ghee wizz ! Training is enjoyable and I get off on my endorphins as much as the next guy but it just seems like a slippery slope to me.the whole equipment race thing and all. Lets project several months into the future when the riding pals get in better shape and buy even lighter bikes, then what? When I was younger I used to get frustrated with my wife when we rode together and my attitude ruined it for her so she rarely rides anymore. : ( I like the idea of finding similar riding partners or.riding to the speed of the slowest person in the group. That is if ones goal is riding (with) others rather than racing against them. To each his own ! On Apr 27, 2:59 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 4/27/10 10:25 AM, Darin G. at dbg...@mac.com wrote: Okay, many great suggestions here and I appreciate the attention to the topic. I think many of the observations about obsessing less with how long it takes and enjoying the activity are appropriate. I typically don't ride with others. Its usually just me out there listening to the meadowlarks, feeling the wind and carrying on an intense internal conversation with my multiple personalities. Speed on such a journey is irrelevant. When the opportunity to ride with others does come up, however, no one wants to be the heel that makes everyone wait or blows up trying to keep up, especially when you're ostensibly the stronger rider. The other point which I didn't see addressed is whether you can stay stuck with these riders if you tuck in behind and enjoy their draft. Riding with faster riders (or riding with more technically skilled riders) can be a great tool for moving up a bit, speed wise. Here's the thing: Your body (like almost everyone else's) is basically lazy - it will adapt to the stress you put on it. So, if you ride at 73 rpms and 15.6 mph, the body will strengthen itself just to that point and maybe a smidgen extra. So, if you go riding with friends who ride much _shorter_ distances than you tend to, but ride at even slightly higher speeds, it will be very tough for you to ride, say at 90 rpms and 17 mph. You will probably find that you recover your breath much more quickly than your quicker friends, but can't necessarily match the short term efforts. Here's where the Primal/Grok thing comes into play - or, the thing you read in training manuals - about going either slow or fast. If you tend to mosey along at a middling pace, you aren't really building up fast twitch fast muscles or slow twitch endurance muscles. (And I'm not saying not to do so, but try a different approach for a couple weeks). Try really stomping up any hill or incline you encounter on a ride. Try riding a quarter of the distance you normally go, but with twice as much effort. Make a deal with your buddies that they won't drop you - stay stuck to their wheels no matter what so you ride at a slightly uncomfortably higher pace. What will happen is your body will react to offset this and you'll gain some speed. Now. Here's the disclaimer: Do Not Do This if you have physical restrictions, feel pain or haven't had a recent medical check up. Make sure you fully recover from this harder riding. This can be hard work, and for those of use who won't see 40 again, you should be careful, OK? I did receive a phone call from my ride companion last night saying that he was completely wasted from our recent sluggish and casual ride and wondering how I could go that far. Smug satisfaction taken. There are always those partners who can just bury themselves on a ride. Best to avoid them, or learn how to ask them questions requiring complex answers on topics they like to expound. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
That's the rub, isn't it. Comfort vs. efficiency/aerodynamics. I don't know what you'll feel about the looks, but the Velocity Nuvian wheelset http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=624 is built with Aerohead rims. Arm-chair quarterback mode off. Cheers, David On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Here's a link for the wheels in other than black 32 spoke. Another lister found these and is giving them a try. http://www.bikemania.biz/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VeloCity_NuvianClick=15344 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: That's the rub, isn't it. Comfort vs. efficiency/aerodynamics. I don't know what you'll feel about the looks, but the Velocity Nuvian wheelset http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=624 is built with Aerohead rims. Arm-chair quarterback mode off. Cheers, David On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Well that's a pretty heavy rim tire combo. Remember it is the wheels you have to accelerate, so weight taken off there will yield the most benefit. I'd consider a second set of wheels. If you can afford it White Hubs, Open Pro rims, 32 spokes with some Michelin 25mm tires. That will help you accelerate when you need to stay with the group, and will be zippier going uphill, which is where you are probably loosing the pace. Ride with your current wheels every day and switch to the lighter ones for longer events. Michael On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Wheels are definitely a good place to start. Even Mavic Aksium Wheelsets which run around $250 can give you a lighter / slightly aero wheel. Put some 25mm lightweight tires on them, and only use them on your fast rides. You will likely feel the difference, especially if there is a lot of climbing involved. Can you post the full spec of your bike? Hard to suggest when you have no other info... Cheers, Sean --- On Mon, 4/26/10, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: From: MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:40 PM Well that's a pretty heavy rim tire combo. Remember it is the wheels you have to accelerate, so weight taken off there will yield the most benefit. I'd consider a second set of wheels. If you can afford it White Hubs, Open Pro rims, 32 spokes with some Michelin 25mm tires. That will help you accelerate when you need to stay with the group, and will be zippier going uphill, which is where you are probably loosing the pace. Ride with your current wheels every day and switch to the lighter ones for longer events. Michael On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Full spec: Nitto stem, Nitto post, Shimano Bar ends, Sugino 46-36-24, 11 X 32, Deore XT rear, Nitto Mini Front, Nitto Big Rack rear (may replace with a top rack for summer commuting), Shimano cantis. Pic here: http://gallery.me.com/dbgoff#18 D.G. On Apr 26, 10:43 am, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote: Wheels are definitely a good place to start. Even Mavic Aksium Wheelsets which run around $250 can give you a lighter / slightly aero wheel. Put some 25mm lightweight tires on them, and only use them on your fast rides. You will likely feel the difference, especially if there is a lot of climbing involved. Can you post the full spec of your bike? Hard to suggest when you have no other info... Cheers, Sean --- On Mon, 4/26/10, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: From: MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:40 PM Well that's a pretty heavy rim tire combo. Remember it is the wheels you have to accelerate, so weight taken off there will yield the most benefit. I'd consider a second set of wheels. If you can afford it White Hubs, Open Pro rims, 32 spokes with some Michelin 25mm tires. That will help you accelerate when you need to stay with the group, and will be zippier going uphill, which is where you are probably loosing the pace. Ride with your current wheels every day and switch to the lighter ones for longer events. Michael On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs. Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what convinced me I was through with the Roubaix. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
I'm building a lighter wheelset for my Sam (32 hole, narrower rims) to use interchangeably with the 36 hole bombers I have now. In addition to that I'm planning to pull the racks and fenders for fair weather events. On Apr 26, 9:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
If the Roadeo had rack mounts I'd consider it, at least for a rear with a trunk bag. I guess I could put a big Arkel handlebar bag on it or something. As is, waiting to see if the Amos comes to be as the Roadeo is some serious cheddar for me right now. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:57 am, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote: I would think that over 100 miles, the comfort of a Riv would make up for fewer ounces on the bike. However, I am thinking that Rodeo would be a good option for your future . Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 4/26/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:17 PM Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Darin I will preface this by saying I am fortunate to have two bikes; a Steel bike with 36h Rims/35c Pasela's racks front and rear etc for comfort riding and a Cannondale R800 stripped down for faster rides but before I picked up my steel ride I tired to make my R800 an all rounder with mixed results. If I was in your shoes with only the one bike for the near term and wanting to go faster, I would think about the following for the event rides: -ditch the rear rack -swap the Sugino for compact 50/34 double, maybe a square taper FSA Vero or even a Campy Veloce. That would drop weight and give you some taller gears -Go with the Mavic Aksium's as the racy wheelset. I have them on my go fast bike and even for a Clydesdale like me they work fine and feel zippy paired with the 700/25c tire of your choice (I use Continental gatorskins) - Save for the Roadeo or AMOS/San Marcos My steel bike, a Handsome Devil, is set up very much like your Sam and I am easily a couple miles and hour faster on the go fast bike over the same course. Although to be honest when I am riding the Handsome Devil its not about going fast ;-) Good luck Ryan On Apr 26, 10:53 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: If the Roadeo had rack mounts I'd consider it, at least for a rear with a trunk bag. I guess I could put a big Arkel handlebar bag on it or something. As is, waiting to see if the Amos comes to be as the Roadeo is some serious cheddar for me right now. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:57 am, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote: I would think that over 100 miles, the comfort of a Riv would make up for fewer ounces on the bike. However, I am thinking that Rodeo would be a good option for your future . Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 4/26/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:17 PM Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Forgot to add Nice looking SAM! looks like a great all around ride On Apr 26, 10:53 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: If the Roadeo had rack mounts I'd consider it, at least for a rear with a trunk bag. I guess I could put a big Arkel handlebar bag on it or something. As is, waiting to see if the Amos comes to be as the Roadeo is some serious cheddar for me right now. D.G. On Apr 26, 10:57 am, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote: I would think that over 100 miles, the comfort of a Riv would make up for fewer ounces on the bike. However, I am thinking that Rodeo would be a good option for your future . Jim D. Massachusetts --- On Mon, 4/26/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:17 PM Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you mentioned. If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little bit less drag. You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the Cypres... you'd be set (maybe). Have fun! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
I would take off the rack for faster rides/ events and maybe get some narrower tires. Clipless pedals? Then I would smell the flowers. When you do get a new more specialized bike you will be that much better. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
haven't you heard it's not the bike it's the motor! And those fancy lycra togs will make you look fast too. hehe. I would 2nd the other notes... tires and wheels are biggest factor in my opinion, but I'd use some fast 28-30's.. 25's are too skinny! other then that... take off excess weight... racks, bags, etc. helps aerodynamics too. ~Mike~ On Apr 26, 11:27 am, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I would take off the rack for faster rides/ events and maybe get some narrower tires. Clipless pedals? Then I would smell the flowers. When you do get a new more specialized bike you will be that much better. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Well race style bikes are significantly faster when climbing due to low weight and light wheels and when going fast due to increased aerodynamics (due to the position your body takes) but..on a long ride they beat you up and its not enjoyable. The Mavic rims are heavy and if you don't need 36 spoke wheels you could go to fewer 32-28 depending on your weight but I imagine your greatest gain will come from a lower /narrower bar and your clothing, if its currently all loosey goosey. I'll bet Grant won't deny there is a reason that so much money is spent on RD to improve race bicycles when it depends on mere tenths of a second to separate winners from losers. For the rest of us, what difference does that really make..1.5-3 mph slower really? So an extra thirty minutes on average to finish a 100 mile ride. That's about as much time as it takes to eat some bananas and bagels at the end of the ride and could mean something to you, I don't know but I seriously doubt you would be that much slower over that distance. I'll bet your riding pals being in poorer shape won't last and you will pass them 1/2 way through a century, regardless of what bike you ride. Lower bar, tight clothes, lighter wheels/tires and strip off any extras but personally I'd only change the tires and enjoy my ride and probably stop on the way for a beer too. On Apr 26, 9:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
i have not tried this brand of wheels yet, but have just learned about them. lightweight and reasonable prices. how unusual. http://www.neuvationcycling.com/wheels.html motors are important, but relatively long wheel based, heavy wheeled, not-light steel tubed bikes, bigger/fatter heavy tires all add up to a sluggish feeling bike. that is magnified if you own more than one bike and can compare. good reason to have only one bike. On Apr 26, 9:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Here's just an idea... since it sounds like one of your riding partners is riding your old bike, why don't you swap bikes mid-ride for a direct comparison? Is it the equipment or the motor? Position or equipment? Never under estimate the power of the psychological perception of disadvantage. This is what keeps much of the bicycle industry humming along with marketing speak, and product reviews laced with personal opinions. It's also what keeps so many golf shops doing swift business selling new and improved clubs, balls, shoes, clothing, etc... On Apr 26, 11:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: Here's just an idea... since it sounds like one of your riding partners is riding your old bike, why don't you swap bikes mid-ride for a direct comparison? Is it the equipment or the motor? Position or equipment? Never under estimate the power of the psychological perception of disadvantage. This is what keeps much of the bicycle industry humming along with marketing speak, and product reviews laced with personal opinions. It's also what keeps so many golf shops doing swift business selling new and improved clubs, balls, shoes, clothing, etc... And read the latest BQ - Jan swapped bikes while riding the terraferma and quickly realized that it wasn't the motor, it was the bike. I wonder if the builder of those bikes is having a busy month. about making your bike feel a bit faster... Just for fun - scooch your saddle forward just a bit - see if you don't feel a bit faster. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
On Apr 26, 9:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. This bit is very puzzling because unless you're cycling around in a pair of parachute pants, most equipment changes won't drop your average speed by that much. OK, maybe if you went from a specially prepared race bike to an unmaintained Sturmey-Archer 3-speed clunker. :) My experience with a superlight Ti-Carbon race bike (I don't race anymore though) and my steel/racked/fendered/lights/JB commuter is that yes, the average speed will drop, and the bikes do feel *very* different, but my computer tells me that the drop in speed isn't nearly all that much over any significant distance, or even close in comparison to the significant difference in feel. I also have significant reservations about the heavy wheels comments. Anyone with a trainer can try this out: Rack each bike up on the trainer, disengage the drag mechanism, and pedal. Put on some load and then pedal again. See? The difference in wheel weight gets overwhelmed into noise when an actual, realistic load is factored in. This observation totally bears out when one runs the numbers on www.analyticcycling.com. For example, given a 8% grade (read: steep) that goes for 5km, even given wheels that are twice as heavy and with twice the moment of inertia, the test rider is only about a minute down at the end. We're talking about a really offensively heavy 8.5 lb wheelset* here and it's less than a minute over a 3-mile, 8%-grade climb! I'm not disputing the difference in feel of different wheels. In fact, I can totally feel the differences between my light and utilitarian wheels. It's just that the significant differences in feel do not, unfortunately, translate to significant differences in performance, at least in non-competitive circumstances. So I'm with CycloFiend. I'll look into how your body is reacting to the change in equipment. Perhaps all you need is a slight position change. Or maybe your body needs to be reset. Good luck! -B * As reference, my heavy commuter wheels weigh 4 lb + ~2 lb for JB tires + tubes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
Ride Up Grades. On Apr 26, 9:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
That's a good upgrade, Eddy! On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:41 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Ride Up Grades. On Apr 26, 9:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote: Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle. I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away. So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires? I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job. D.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
