[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Aaron Young]

Thanks Gernot for the clarification.  I suppose I will have to try some
non-TG paselas and see if I notice a difference.

-Aaron Young
Rochester, NY



On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Earl Grey  wrote:

> Aaron,
>
> It's not just the suppleness of the sidewall, but the suppleness of
> the entire casing, the center of which is compromised by the tourguard
> strip. The whole tire has to deform to absorb shock, not just the
> sidewall.
>
> Gernot
>
> On Jan 15, 11:36 pm, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm using 700x28 TG Paselas and have no complaints.
> >
> > Why the preference for wire bead though?  According to the Panaracer site
> > the folding kevlar Paselas (280g )weigh less than the wire bead non-TG
> > versions (320g for 28mm sizes).  The non-folding TG is listed as 340g.
> >
> > If its not for weight then is the issue suppleness?   Does the TG
> interfere
> > with suppleness?  I thought the suppleness of the sidewall was what
> really
> > led to a great feeling tire.
> >
> > -Aaron Young
> > Rochester, NY
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rene Sterental  >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently
> 258
> > > and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back
> based
> > > on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics,
> I'm
> > > running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your
> lighter
> > > weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check
> when I
> > > get home.
> >
> > > Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
> > > sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.
> >
> > > René
> >
> > > Sent from my iPhone 4
> >
>  > > On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
> > > Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.
>  My
> > > expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels
> like I
> > > get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.
> >
> > > So is it just me.. hmm...
> >
> > > I like fast feeling and comfort
> >
> > > Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have
> never
> > > had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee
> while
> > > friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.
> >
> > > I"m 225 lbs..
> > > JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
> > > Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...
> >
> > > Kelly
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Earl Grey]

Aaron,

It's not just the suppleness of the sidewall, but the suppleness of
the entire casing, the center of which is compromised by the tourguard
strip. The whole tire has to deform to absorb shock, not just the
sidewall.

Gernot

On Jan 15, 11:36 pm, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm using 700x28 TG Paselas and have no complaints.
>
> Why the preference for wire bead though?  According to the Panaracer site
> the folding kevlar Paselas (280g )weigh less than the wire bead non-TG
> versions (320g for 28mm sizes).  The non-folding TG is listed as 340g.
>
> If its not for weight then is the issue suppleness?   Does the TG interfere
> with suppleness?  I thought the suppleness of the sidewall was what really
> led to a great feeling tire.
>
> -Aaron Young
> Rochester, NY
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rene Sterental wrote:
>
>
>
> > You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
> > and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
> > on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
> > running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
> > weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
> > get home.
>
> > Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
> > sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.
>
> > René
>
> > Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> > On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
> > I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
> > Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
> > expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
> > get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.
>
> > So is it just me.. hmm...
>
> > I like fast feeling and comfort
>
> > Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
> > had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
> > friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.
>
> > I"m 225 lbs..
> > JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
> > Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...
>
> > Kelly
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Angus]

Kelly,

I second the "I don't care how long they last if they ride this well"
philosophy.

Probably 20 years ago I had a set of cotton Vittoria's that gripped
well, rolled well and were comfortable.  They wore very quickly (down
to the cord in 2,000 miles) and pinch flatted every other ride, but I
really liked those tires.  Never was able to find another pair...worst
luck.

Angus

On Jan 15, 6:58 pm, "Kelly Sleeper"  wrote:
> Thanks and I thought as much.. I can second the opinion that they are harsh
> with too much air especially in front.  
> Dropped The front to 30 and feels much better.
>
> To whomever asked my JB's are the light version and I love them!  The
> feel smooth and fast. I don't care how long they last when they ride this
> well.
>
> Kelly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP
> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:44 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires what to buy
>
> Agree with Rene here.  In my experience, Big Apples with excess
> pressure are harsh.  Was riding them about 40 front and 50 rear.
> Lowered them to about 30 and 50 and they are much more fun.  Same with
> the 26 Marathon Supremes.  Those also ride better at lower pressure.
>
> As to the weather, well, haven't been outside on a bike for a week.
> Weather and snow not cooperating.  More due to "oatmeal" snow than
> anything.  Tough for studded tires to get good traction and riding
> next to cars is less than optimal.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Jan 15, 10:14 am, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> > You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently
> 258
> > and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back
> based
> > on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics,
> I'm
> > running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your
> lighter
> > weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when
> I
> > get home.
>
> > Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
> > sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.
>
> > René
>
> > Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> > On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
> > I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
> > Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
> > expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like
> I
> > get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.
>
> > So is it just me.. hmm...
>
> > I like fast feeling and comfort
>
> > Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
> > had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
> > friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.
>
> > I"m 225 lbs..
> > JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
> > Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...
>
> > Kelly
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RE: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Kelly Sleeper]

Thanks and I thought as much.. I can second the opinion that they are harsh
with too much air especially in front.   
Dropped The front to 30 and feels much better.

To whomever asked my JB's are the light version and I love them!  The
feel smooth and fast. I don't care how long they last when they ride this
well.



Kelly

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:44 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

Agree with Rene here.  In my experience, Big Apples with excess
pressure are harsh.  Was riding them about 40 front and 50 rear.
Lowered them to about 30 and 50 and they are much more fun.  Same with
the 26 Marathon Supremes.  Those also ride better at lower pressure.

As to the weather, well, haven't been outside on a bike for a week.
Weather and snow not cooperating.  More due to "oatmeal" snow than
anything.  Tough for studded tires to get good traction and riding
next to cars is less than optimal.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 15, 10:14 am, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently
258
> and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back
based
> on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics,
I'm
> running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your
lighter
> weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when
I
> get home.
>
> Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
> sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
> I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
> Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
> expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like
I
> get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.
>
> So is it just me.. hmm...
>
> I like fast feeling and comfort
>
> Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
> had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
> friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.
>
> I"m 225 lbs..
> JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
> Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...
>
> Kelly
>
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[EricP]

Agree with Rene here.  In my experience, Big Apples with excess
pressure are harsh.  Was riding them about 40 front and 50 rear.
Lowered them to about 30 and 50 and they are much more fun.  Same with
the 26 Marathon Supremes.  Those also ride better at lower pressure.

As to the weather, well, haven't been outside on a bike for a week.
Weather and snow not cooperating.  More due to "oatmeal" snow than
anything.  Tough for studded tires to get good traction and riding
next to cars is less than optimal.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 15, 10:14 am, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
> and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
> on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
> running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
> weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
> get home.
>
> Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
> sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
> I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
> Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
> expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
> get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.
>
> So is it just me.. hmm...
>
> I like fast feeling and comfort
>
> Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
> had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
> friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.
>
> I"m 225 lbs..
> JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
> Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...
>
> Kelly
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Phil Bickford]

Kelly - Are those JBs Greens or Blues?

I've always found wire beads to ride a bit harder/stiffer.  Why the
bead material would matter seems strange, I mean they don't move
around or shift inside the rim groove do they?  Perhaps they add
another ply to the tire sidewall _because_ it's wire?  Anybody know?

The best tire value in my book are the Panaracer Pasela Tour Guard
kevlar bead. Not that I run any now - I've been seduced by the
boutique tires.  It's JB Greens, Cypres and Pari Motos for me.

And thanks for the spreadsheet link Cyclotourist - I've been thinking
I need to study up on Excel...

Phil B

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

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On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Rene Sterental  wrote:

> You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
> and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
> on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
> running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
> weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
> get home.
>
> Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
> sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
> I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
> Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
> expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
> get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.
>
> So is it just me.. hmm...
>
> I like fast feeling and comfort
>
> Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
> had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
> friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.
>
> I"m 225 lbs..
> JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
> Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...
>
> Kelly
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Aaron Young]

I'm using 700x28 TG Paselas and have no complaints.

Why the preference for wire bead though?  According to the Panaracer site
the folding kevlar Paselas (280g )weigh less than the wire bead non-TG
versions (320g for 28mm sizes).  The non-folding TG is listed as 340g.

If its not for weight then is the issue suppleness?   Does the TG interfere
with suppleness?  I thought the suppleness of the sidewall was what really
led to a great feeling tire.

-Aaron Young
Rochester, NY

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Rene Sterental wrote:

> You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
> and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
> on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
> running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
> weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
> get home.
>
> Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
> sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
>
> I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
> Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
> expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
> get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.
>
> So is it just me.. hmm...
>
> I like fast feeling and comfort
>
> Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
> had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
> friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.
>
> I"m 225 lbs..
> JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
> Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...
>
> Kelly
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Rene Sterental]

You're running the Big Apples with too much air pressure. I'm currently 258
and based on the tire pressure calculator that was posted a while back based
on Jan's optimal 15% tire deformation for optimal ride characteristics, I'm
running my 50mm Schwalbes at 30 psi front and 60 psi rear. With your lighter
weight you should probably run the about 5 psi less, but I can check when I
get home.

Search for the calculator that someone posted as an Excel spreadsheet
sometime last year, I believe. Maybe a bit longer that that.

René

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On Jan 15, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big
Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My
expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I
get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's.

So is it just me.. hmm...

I like fast feeling and comfort

Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never
had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while
friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy.

I"m 225 lbs..
JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front...

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Kelly Sleeper]

I have JB's on my AHH and on the Bombadil I have Big Apples.   The Big 
Apples feel hard and pass the road bumps up to me..or feels that way.  My 
expectation was a much smoother cushy ride than the JB's but it feels like I 
get more of a Cadilac ride on the JB's. 
 
So is it just me.. hmm... 
 
I like fast feeling and comfort   
 
Note:  the Schwalbe 700x35's on both my wifes and my tour bikes have never 
had a flat ..even in goat head country .. was nice drinking coffee while 
friends patched tubes.  But they are heavy. 
 
I"m 225 lbs..
JB's running 90 psi rear and 70ish front
Big Apples running 50ish rear and 45ish front... 
 
Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Bruce]

23F here, but may make it to 50F. Heading out in an hour for 50 on the 
Rambouillet. Have replaced the Sugino triple with an Ultegra 52/42/30 that I 
like a lot. 42 seems a very useful gear, where 36 is too small to cruise on and 
too large for stiff climbs. The bike is running 28 mm Conti UltraGatorskins. 
Excellent tires.

An old Maruishi Crit racer converted to 650B that came from another list member 
is running the GB Cypres and they have also been excellent.About 2,000 flat 
free 
miles so far.

Tailwinds!




From: Robert Zeidler 
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Cc: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Sat, January 15, 2011 6:49:37 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

Yeah same here w/ the weather, by 8p last night it was around 3 deg (F) here.  
Looks like yet another trainer session..

I think you'll really end up liking the GB's. I have 30's on several bikes and 
they are great!

RGZ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Robert Zeidler]

Yeah same here w/ the weather, by 8p last night it was around 3 deg (F) here.  
Looks like yet another trainer session..

I think you'll really end up liking the GB's. I have 30's on several bikes and 
they are great!

RGZ

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On Jan 15, 2011, at 12:17 AM, AmiSingh  wrote:

> I just got my Grand Bois Cypres tyres, set them on my rims and took my
> bicycle for a test ride ... in the basement.
> 
> The 15 feet I travelled felt great. Supple, responsive and wow ... I
> really could feel a difference!
> 
> I can't wait for the wind chill to go above 5* and the snow to melt so
> I can go riding again :-/
> 
> The winter blues are officially here for me. How are the rest of you
> doing?
> 
> Ami
> 
> ps - on another thread someone mentioned cross country skiing. I'm
> thinking about it, anyone have guidance or reading suggestions?  I am
> a complete noobie and will be starting on ground zero.
> 
> On Jan 6, 6:08 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the 
>> tires were all Tour Guard.
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Eric-
>> 
>>> In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
>>> bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
>>> what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
>>> Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.
>> 
>>> Thanks,
>> 
>>> Pete
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
 Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some 
 photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
 http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>> 
 --Eric N
>> 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> 
> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> exact same thing.
>> 
> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> feel much better!
>> 
> -Pete
>> 
> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
>> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size 
>> for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year). 
>>  
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
>>> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from 
>>> my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
>>> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires 
>>> right? I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but 
>>> I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental 
>>> gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel 
>>> unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an 
>>> all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm 
>>> also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year!
>> 
>>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>> 
>>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
>>> Pasela Wire bead
>>> GB Cypres
>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Robert Zeidler]

+1 on the GB's.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 15, 2011, at 3:15 AM, rw1911  wrote:

> I like the Paselas. 6'2", 225 on 700x35 Kevlar TG. Nashbar has them on
> sale from time to time.
> 
> 
> On Jan 6, 10:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
>> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
>> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
>> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
>> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
>> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
>> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
>> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
>> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
>> year!
>> 
>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>> 
>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
>> Pasela Wire bead
>> GB Cypres
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[rw1911]

I like the Paselas. 6'2", 225 on 700x35 Kevlar TG. Nashbar has them on
sale from time to time.


On Jan 6, 10:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[AmiSingh]

I just got my Grand Bois Cypres tyres, set them on my rims and took my
bicycle for a test ride ... in the basement.

The 15 feet I travelled felt great. Supple, responsive and wow ... I
really could feel a difference!

I can't wait for the wind chill to go above 5* and the snow to melt so
I can go riding again :-/

The winter blues are officially here for me. How are the rest of you
doing?

Ami

ps - on another thread someone mentioned cross country skiing. I'm
thinking about it, anyone have guidance or reading suggestions?  I am
a complete noobie and will be starting on ground zero.

On Jan 6, 6:08 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the tires 
> were all Tour Guard.
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Eric-
>
> > In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
> > bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
> > what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
> > Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Pete
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some 
> >> photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
> >> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>
> >> --Eric N
>
> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> >>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> >>> exact same thing.
>
> >>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> >>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> >>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> >>> feel much better!
>
> >>> -Pete
>
> >>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>  I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
>  including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size 
>  for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year). 
>   
>
>  --Eric N
>
>  On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> > been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from 
> > my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> > problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires 
> > right? I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but 
> > I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental 
> > gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel 
> > unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an 
> > all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm 
> > also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year!
>
> > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > Pasela Wire bead
> > GB Cypres
>
> > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Roger]

I've been really liking my Marathon Supreme 42-622s (measure about
37.5), but they're too big too fit inside of my fenders. Currently,
I'm using GB Cypres that measure almost 32, but I'm hoping to shoehorn
an in-between size tire in.

What do people think of Racers vs. Kojak's vs. Supremes?

The Racer and Kojak seem to fill about the same niche, except for a
wee bit of pattern. I'd probably try a Racer because there's a 40-622
(I imagine these measure about 35), where the 35-622 that come in both
the Racer and Kojak are probably about the same size as the Cypres,
only perhaps more durable. Maybe I should get Supremes in 37-622 and
be done with it, though.

Thoughts?



On Jan 7, 6:31 am, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> For me when it comes to tires, it's like visiting my favorite
> restaurant and always ordering the same dish... So even though I
> always vow to try something different, at the last minute I always go
> with the sure thing... Schwalbe Big Apple 2.0s... I just ordered 2 new
> sets for project bikes...(I also have the 2.35s, which for toolin'
> around on/off road they're such a blast, but have settled in on the
> 2.0s as my new faves)...
>
> But I will have to try out the Kojak 2.0s (maybe to go with my
> Kojak bike siren...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsXaoppIfow)
>
> Peace,
> BB
>
> On Jan 6, 6:08 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
> > I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the 
> > tires were all Tour Guard.
>
> > --Eric N
>
> > On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > > Eric-
>
> > > In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
> > > bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
> > > what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
> > > Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Pete
>
> > > On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> > >> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some 
> > >> photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
> > >> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>
> > >> --Eric N
>
> > >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > >>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> > >>> exact same thing.
>
> > >>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> > >>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> > >>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> > >>> feel much better!
>
> > >>> -Pete
>
> > >>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >  I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic 
> >  rides, including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 
> >  700x32 size for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike 
> >  Barn last year).  
>
> >  --Eric N
>
> >  On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> > > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  
> > > I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 
> > > 80-85psi from my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of 
> > > years now with no problems but I wanted something more supple. New 
> > > bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance 
> > > for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried 
> > > some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made 
> > > my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm 
> > > looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement 
> > > (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year!
>
> > > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > > Pasela Wire bead
> > > GB Cypres
>
> > > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Ryan Ray]

I have Pasela Tour Guards (not folding) in 35s and they are great.

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Montclair BobbyB]

For me when it comes to tires, it's like visiting my favorite
restaurant and always ordering the same dish... So even though I
always vow to try something different, at the last minute I always go
with the sure thing... Schwalbe Big Apple 2.0s... I just ordered 2 new
sets for project bikes...(I also have the 2.35s, which for toolin'
around on/off road they're such a blast, but have settled in on the
2.0s as my new faves)...

But I will have to try out the Kojak 2.0s (maybe to go with my
Kojak bike siren... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsXaoppIfow)

Peace,
BB

On Jan 6, 6:08 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the tires 
> were all Tour Guard.
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Eric-
>
> > In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
> > bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
> > what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
> > Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Pete
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some 
> >> photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
> >> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>
> >> --Eric N
>
> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> >>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> >>> exact same thing.
>
> >>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> >>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> >>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> >>> feel much better!
>
> >>> -Pete
>
> >>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>  I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
>  including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size 
>  for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year). 
>   
>
>  --Eric N
>
>  On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> > been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from 
> > my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> > problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires 
> > right? I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but 
> > I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental 
> > gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel 
> > unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an 
> > all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm 
> > also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year!
>
> > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > Pasela Wire bead
> > GB Cypres
>
> > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[robert zeidler]

I'm well over 200# but find that the 26mm GB's ride as well as
anything else.  Inflated to rec max press they work even when hitting
the surprise pothole-never a pinch flat.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:56 PM, RoadieRyan  wrote:
> I can only speak to the Pasela's but I am running 700x35c  wire beads
> with Tour Guard and I love them.  I have run them at 85 psi and at
> less than 60 and they run fine either way.  I ride on alot of rough
> pavement in West Seattle and into downtown and they really smooth
> things out.
>
> I too found a great deal just be sure that you look carefully to see
> if you are getting a version with Tour Guard (ie their flat protection
> "kevlar") or no Tour Guard.  I also love the skinwall look and
> Pasela's give you that option or just plain black
>
> Ryan
>
> On Jan 6, 7:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
>> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
>> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
>> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
>> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
>> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
>> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
>> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
>> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
>> year!
>>
>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>>
>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
>> Pasela Wire bead
>> GB Cypres
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[charlie]

I love my Marathon Supremes (700x40) actually about 37mm @ 65 psi but
then I am 265 right now. Paselas are nice enough. I like the plain
jane black wall 35's because they are cheap and wear as well as the
more pricey ones. To me the sweet spot is a 35-38mm tire at around
400-500 grams with 65-75 psi. Go wide with pride. you won't be
sorry plus you get the benefit of low cost "suspension" ! At your
weight (plus any luggage) 32mm tires at 85 psi is too harsh and no
faster IMHO.

On Jan 6, 7:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[RoadieRyan]

I can only speak to the Pasela's but I am running 700x35c  wire beads
with Tour Guard and I love them.  I have run them at 85 psi and at
less than 60 and they run fine either way.  I ride on alot of rough
pavement in West Seattle and into downtown and they really smooth
things out.

I too found a great deal just be sure that you look carefully to see
if you are getting a version with Tour Guard (ie their flat protection
"kevlar") or no Tour Guard.  I also love the skinwall look and
Pasela's give you that option or just plain black

Ryan

On Jan 6, 7:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Eric Norris]

I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the tires 
were all Tour Guard.

--Eric N

On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> Eric-
> 
> In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
> bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
> what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
> Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
>> taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
>> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
>>> exact same thing.
>> 
>>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
>>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
>>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
>>> feel much better!
>> 
>>> -Pete
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
 I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
 including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
 sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>> 
 --Eric N
>> 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>> 
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? 
> I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure 
> there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 
> 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it 
> was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but 
> most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my 
> first 200K and 300K this year!
>> 
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>> 
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>> 
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Ken Mattina]

Sorry to make this more confusing, but there's one other tire that might be
interesting.

It's the Vittoria Randonneur Hyper.  It seems to be the tire of the moment
and lots of people are saying good things about it.

As soon as my Grand Bois Cypres tires are worn out, I plan on trying a pair.

Ken

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Mike  wrote:

> If I'm not mistaken the Somas are basically just rebranded Paselas or
> T-serves. The tread is the same. I've completed brevets on JB Greens
> and Blues, Panaracer T-Serves and Panaracer Paseals. The JB blues were
> probably the worst of the bunch. Like someone else mentioned, they
> feel dead. At first I liked them but after a while they just don't cut
> it. This year I rode an Super Randonneur series (200, 300, 400, and
> 600k brevets) on one set of JB Greens with no flats. They're nice
> tires. This year I'll use one of the Panaracer tires--T-Serve, Pasela
> TG, or wire Pasela. The think about the T-serves is that they can be
> purchased with a reflective strip and have a tougher sidewall so less
> chance of sidewall failure. They're a nice rolling tire. I've done
> multiple century rides on 700x35 T-serves.
>
> --mike
>
> On Jan 6, 1:16 pm, bicitourist  wrote:
> > Has anyone tried the 700Cx32/35 Somas?
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Mike]

If I'm not mistaken the Somas are basically just rebranded Paselas or
T-serves. The tread is the same. I've completed brevets on JB Greens
and Blues, Panaracer T-Serves and Panaracer Paseals. The JB blues were
probably the worst of the bunch. Like someone else mentioned, they
feel dead. At first I liked them but after a while they just don't cut
it. This year I rode an Super Randonneur series (200, 300, 400, and
600k brevets) on one set of JB Greens with no flats. They're nice
tires. This year I'll use one of the Panaracer tires--T-Serve, Pasela
TG, or wire Pasela. The think about the T-serves is that they can be
purchased with a reflective strip and have a tougher sidewall so less
chance of sidewall failure. They're a nice rolling tire. I've done
multiple century rides on 700x35 T-serves.

--mike

On Jan 6, 1:16 pm, bicitourist  wrote:
> Has anyone tried the 700Cx32/35 Somas?

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Peter Pesce]

Eric-

In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar
bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from
what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead
Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding.

Thanks,

Pete

On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
> taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> > exact same thing.
>
> > Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> > time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> > riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> > feel much better!
>
> > -Pete
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
> >> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
> >> sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>
> >> --Eric N
>
> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> >>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> >>> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> >>> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> >>> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? 
> >>> I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure 
> >>> there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 
> >>> 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it 
> >>> was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but 
> >>> most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my 
> >>> first 200K and 300K this year!
>
> >>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> >>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> >>> Pasela Wire bead
> >>> GB Cypres
>
> >>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[bicitourist]

Has anyone tried the 700Cx32/35 Somas? 

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[bicitourist]

Thanks everyone! I appreciate the advice.  Pasela's (wire bead) are on 
order! 

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[William]

Since this has kind of become a brevet-strategy tire thread.  I'm on
650B and my plan is to run Soma tire (which is essentially a 650B
Pasela) unless I want the ultra low rolling resistance of the
PariMotos.  I'm running the reinforced Soma Express right now from
Riv, but intend to try the Soma B-Line as well, which is the same tire
without the reinforced casing.

On Jan 6, 11:53 am, NickBull  wrote:
> Another vote for wire-bead (non-Tourguard) Pasela's, with Grand Bois
> Cypres as your reserve tire for "long" events (600Km or more).  I've
> ridden more than 2Km of official RUSA events using this combo of
> tires.  The Pasela's are cheap and they don't give up a great deal to
> the Cypres, so they're fine for events where the time constraints are
> not critical.  But on the more-critical events like 600Km and up,
> every little bit of reduced rolling resistance counts, and is cost-
> effective.  I have had very few flats on either type of tire.  I've
> had just as many flats on the various "flatproof" tires that I've used
> over the years for brevets and for commuting.  Though I hear that in
> parts of the country that have goat's head thorns, the non-flatproof
> tires are more of a risk.  Most of my riding is east coast, but I rode
> a 1000Km in Washington last year -- I got one flat because I was
> watching the scenery instead of the road and rolled over a spike.
> Both tires have been on the usual non-paved sections that are typical
> on brevets/permanents.  But I haven't tried to use them for conditions
> like fire roads or off-road.  For that I'd want something like 650Bx40
> or 26"x2".  I guess I'm more risk averse than some.
>
> Nick
>
> On Jan 6, 10:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> > running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> > commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> > but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> > giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> > sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> > were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> > on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> > pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> > year!
>
> > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > Pasela Wire bead
> > GB Cypres
>
> > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[NickBull]

Another vote for wire-bead (non-Tourguard) Pasela's, with Grand Bois
Cypres as your reserve tire for "long" events (600Km or more).  I've
ridden more than 2Km of official RUSA events using this combo of
tires.  The Pasela's are cheap and they don't give up a great deal to
the Cypres, so they're fine for events where the time constraints are
not critical.  But on the more-critical events like 600Km and up,
every little bit of reduced rolling resistance counts, and is cost-
effective.  I have had very few flats on either type of tire.  I've
had just as many flats on the various "flatproof" tires that I've used
over the years for brevets and for commuting.  Though I hear that in
parts of the country that have goat's head thorns, the non-flatproof
tires are more of a risk.  Most of my riding is east coast, but I rode
a 1000Km in Washington last year -- I got one flat because I was
watching the scenery instead of the road and rolled over a spike.
Both tires have been on the usual non-paved sections that are typical
on brevets/permanents.  But I haven't tried to use them for conditions
like fire roads or off-road.  For that I'd want something like 650Bx40
or 26"x2".  I guess I'm more risk averse than some.

Nick

On Jan 6, 10:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[robert zeidler]

I've found the riv tires, when new to feel like velcro-don't have a
better word for it.  I love all of the GB tires.  Supple,
smooth-rolling.
My .02

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> +1 on Schwalbe Kojak. I have 1500 hard miles on a set of 26x2 Kojaks, and,
> while I did suffer one mysterious flat, they have been wonderful in every
> way and show no signs of wearing out anytime soon.
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

+1 on Schwalbe Kojak. I have 1500 hard miles on a set of 26x2 Kojaks, and, 
while I did suffer one mysterious flat, they have been wonderful in every 
way and show no signs of wearing out anytime soon.

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have tried the JB Blues on three different bikes, and I disliked how they 
felt more than I've ever disliked any tire. Subjective, yes, but I thought 
they felt dead and slow. No scientific analysis to back that up. When I went 
to Paselas, or in one case some old Conti Top Touring 2000, I perceived an 
improvement in "liveliness" and speed. I suspect the JB Greens are beautiful 
to ride, and people I trust on these matters have confirmed that this is the 
case. The Blues seem tough and puncture-resistant, though, so may be 
appropriate for cyclers who prioritize durability and reliability.

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[jlvota]

Another tire to possibly consider would be the Schwalbe Kojak.  The
wire beaded ones are more expensive than the Paselas but less
expensive than the JB and GB.  The casing seems strong but they still
have a supple ride.  The bike that I have them on is a tourer and I
would say that it sees milder roads than my commuter, but I have yet
to get a flat.  They even feel alright on grass, dirt, and gravel
(they are my favorite tire on limestone trails because their volume
allows them to have a smooth ride and the tread throws a minimal
amount of rock and dust) and will get you to where you need to go if
you are on pavement 80% of the time, as long as the other 20% isn't
too aggressive.

On Jan 6, 9:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've been
> running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems
> but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm
> giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a
> sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they
> were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on
> pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this
> year!
>
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[cyclotourist]

As noted, the best bet would be to start with the Paselas and work your way
up.  GBs are wonderful tires, but too delicate for me.

Doug hasn't posted an option yet, so I will say this in his absence:  Schwalbe
Marathon 
Supremes.

FWIW, Challenge
Grifoslook
really nice is you you'll be hitting up some dirt as part of the ride.
If all pavement, then the slight tread wouldn't benefit you.


On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:53 AM, William  wrote:

> Eric (sorry for the tangent on the tires thread)
>
> You did PBP on a fixie?  Did you ever use the other ring?  Is PBP flat
> enough that you'd recommend it?  How many fixies did you see at PBP
> '07?
>
>
> On Jan 6, 9:38 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> > Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some
> photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:
> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
> >
> > --Eric N
> >
> > On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> >
> > > I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> > > exact same thing.
> >
> > > Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> > > time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> > > riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> > > feel much better!
> >
> > > -Pete
> >
> > > On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> > >> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic
> rides, including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size
> for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).
> >
> > >> --Eric N
> >
> > >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
> >
> > >>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.
>  I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from
> my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no
> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I
> know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there
> is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but
> they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those
> miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles
> are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K
> this year!
> >
> > >>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
> >
> > >>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > >>> Pasela Wire bead
> > >>> GB Cypres
> >
> > >>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Scott G.]

I used Gran Bois 30s for pub touring in Britain in the rain, no flats.
Also used the same tires for touring in Vermont, good choice, the
roads
are rough. The side walls are thin, I've trashed tires from sloppy
bike transport
where something gets to rub on the sidewalls, Michelins PR2s survived
the same
treatment.

I use wire Paselas on vintage bikes, they look the part and ride
nicely.
The Gatorskins run undersized, Conti 28s are close to 26mm.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Eric Norris]

Yes I did, but when I go back this year I'll bring gears.  The terrain isn't 
that bad--no major climbs and only a handful of steep sections. Being on a 
fixed gear does take its toll, in part because you can't go as fast as the 
geared bikes on the downhills.

I rode the entire route in 72 gear inches.

Two friends and I rode PBP together on fixed gears (two of us finished), and we 
figured there were about 30 or so fixies on the ride.  That's about 1/2 of one 
percent of the bikes on the ride, so it's a bit of a niche market.

--Eric N

On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:53 AM, William  wrote:

> Eric (sorry for the tangent on the tires thread)
> 
> You did PBP on a fixie?  Did you ever use the other ring?  Is PBP flat
> enough that you'd recommend it?  How many fixies did you see at PBP
> '07?
> 
> 
> On Jan 6, 9:38 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
>> taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
>> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
>>> exact same thing.
>> 
>>> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
>>> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
>>> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
>>> feel much better!
>> 
>>> -Pete
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
 I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
 including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
 sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>> 
 --Eric N
>> 
 On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>> 
> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? 
> I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure 
> there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 
> 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it 
> was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but 
> most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my 
> first 200K and 300K this year!
>> 
> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>> 
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>> 
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[William]

Eric (sorry for the tangent on the tires thread)

You did PBP on a fixie?  Did you ever use the other ring?  Is PBP flat
enough that you'd recommend it?  How many fixies did you see at PBP
'07?


On Jan 6, 9:38 am, Eric Norris  wrote:
> Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
> taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
> http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> > exact same thing.
>
> > Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> > time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> > riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> > feel much better!
>
> > -Pete
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> >> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
> >> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
> >> sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>
> >> --Eric N
>
> >> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> >>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> >>> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> >>> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> >>> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? 
> >>> I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure 
> >>> there is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 
> >>> 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it 
> >>> was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but 
> >>> most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my 
> >>> first 200K and 300K this year!
>
> >>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> >>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> >>> Pasela Wire bead
> >>> GB Cypres
>
> >>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Eric Norris]

Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos 
taken at the check-in before the start of PBP:  
http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm 

--Eric N

On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
> exact same thing.
> 
> Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
> time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
> riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
> feel much better!
> 
> -Pete
> 
> On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
>> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
>> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
>> sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>> 
>> --Eric N
>> 
>> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
>>> been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
>>> commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
>>> problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I 
>>> know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there 
>>> is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 
>>> (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all 
>>> those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my 
>>> miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 
>>> 300K this year!
>> 
>>> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>> 
>>> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
>>> Pasela Wire bead
>>> GB Cypres
>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Peter Pesce]

I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the
exact same thing.

Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all
time but reading about all these "magical" tires I thought I was
riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I
feel much better!

-Pete

On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I'll also weigh in for the Paselas.  I've used them for many epic rides, 
> including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles).  I've seen the 700x32 size for 
> sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year).  
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist  wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.  I've 
> > been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my 
> > commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no 
> > problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I 
> > know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there 
> > is a sweet spot out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 
> > (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all 
> > those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my 
> > miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 
> > 300K this year!
>
> > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > Pasela Wire bead
> > GB Cypres
>
> > Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo
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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[Michael_S]

I think you would be fine on the Jack Brown Greens. I find them to be
slightly more supple than the Pasela's.
I just got the 30mm Cypress and have yet to ride them but they seem
more delicate than either of the above.

Anoher choice might be the Scwalbe Marathon Racers in 30 or 35mm. They
seem to have very low rolling resisitance to me.

~Mike~

On Jan 6, 8:08 am, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 07:40 -0800, bicitourist wrote:
> > Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride.
> >  I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @
> > 80-85psi from my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of
> > years now with no problems but I wanted something more supple. New
> > bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some
> > puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot
> > out there!   I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were
> > too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles
> > on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles
> > are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and
> > 300K this year!
>
> > From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> > Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> > Pasela Wire bead
> > GB Cypres
> >From a price/performance perspective it's impossible to beat the wire
>
> bead Paselas.  They're easily 85% of the performance of the GB Cypres at
> 25% the price.  You can often find the Paselas on sale at around $15 ea.
> They're perfectly suitable for brevets and offer good performance and
> good resistance to foreign objects, and are certainly longer lived and
> more flat resistant than the GB.  I use them on my VO Randonneur in the
> off season.
>
> For ultimate performance, I like the GB Cypres 700x30s.  They're the
> same width as Pasela 32mm.  This is the tire I use on my VO Randonneur
> during the season.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy

[stevep33]

JB Blues are an excellent compromise of speed and durability.

Though these are all fairly similar...so try all three.


On Jan 6, 10:40 am, bicitourist  wrote:

> From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to:
>
> Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do)
> Pasela Wire bead
> GB Cypres
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo

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