[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at $1250. I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request means. I assume all sizes will be orange. They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > just posted to the Riv site. > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > "Here's what's coming: > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > and larger." > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with that. Grant is the master. On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > $1250. > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > "Here's what's coming: > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > and larger." > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see pictures of both bikes when they're available. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together on this. Price wise and features wise right there in between off the rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords. I just took delivery of a Gunnar Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork. Kinda like a Hillborne but no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight shorter wheel base. Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company stable during tough economic times. Good luck in that partnership. On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike wrote: > Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at > work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I > guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed > around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light > touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt > excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I > guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see > pictures of both bikes when they're available. > > --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
When will we start to see double seat tubes? On May 4, 8:01 am, Dustin Sharp wrote: > There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished. > > You heard it here first. > > On 5/4/10 7:47 AM, "eflayer" wrote: > > > > > > > Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together > > on this. Price wise and features wise right there in between off the > > rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords. I just took delivery of a Gunnar > > Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork. Kinda like a Hillborne but > > no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight > > shorter wheel base. Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the > > contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company > > stable during tough economic times. Good luck in that partnership. > > > On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike wrote: > >> Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at > >> work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I > >> guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed > >> around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light > >> touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt > >> excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I > >> guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see > >> pictures of both bikes when they're available. > > >> --mike > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I don't get the two top tube thing. I ride the 56 Sam and putting two top tubes on it seems like it would take an elegant design and turn it into a five-legged chair. I understand the strength argument, just can't see why it would be necessary. This bike's already pretty stout. I also wonder why Rivendell would dilute the successful brand associated with the Sam with essentially three different bikes--the original canti version, the side-pull version, and a mutant Samapillar. D.G. On May 4, 9:01 am, Dustin Sharp wrote: > There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished. > > You heard it here first. > > On 5/4/10 7:47 AM, "eflayer" wrote: > > > > > > > Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together > > on this. Price wise and features wise right there in between off the > > rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords. I just took delivery of a Gunnar > > Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork. Kinda like a Hillborne but > > no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight > > shorter wheel base. Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the > > contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company > > stable during tough economic times. Good luck in that partnership. > > > On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike wrote: > >> Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at > >> work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I > >> guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed > >> around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light > >> touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt > >> excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I > >> guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see > >> pictures of both bikes when they're available. > > >> --mike > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I'm considering either a Gunnar Sport or a Waterford sport tourer. Interested in your build and getting a look at it once you get your build completed. D.G. On May 4, 8:47 am, eflayer wrote: > Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together > on this. Price wise and features wise right there in between off the > rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords. I just took delivery of a Gunnar > Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork. Kinda like a Hillborne but > no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight > shorter wheel base. Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the > contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company > stable during tough economic times. Good luck in that partnership. > > On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike wrote: > > > > > > > Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at > > work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I > > guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed > > around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light > > touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt > > excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I > > guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see > > pictures of both bikes when they're available. > > > --mike > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Grant's been talking about the double top tube Sam for a while. I don't think you'll have a problem of it blurring the lines with a bombadil--it'll still be made out of lighter tubing, and still have country bike clearances and geometry. They might look similar, but in the grand scheme of things, rivendells have never been diverse in their aesthetics, have they? The idea of a double-top tube Sam is growing on me, for sure. I think i've been watching too much of those videos with the Hunqa-protos, but the truth is the clearances and stoutness of the hunqa or bomba would be overkill for the type of riding i do. A DTT sam would be perfect, though. Especially if it's waterford made. On May 3, 6:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > just posted to the Riv site. > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > "Here's what's coming: > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > and larger." > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford builds are out there. Joel On May 3, 7:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > that. Grant is the master. > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I wonder if the Hillborne will have the diagonal or parallel top tube. My guess is parallel, as that style will be lost with the Hunqa, and my guess is that the Bombadil will go to diagonal with a third set of stays, a la mixte. If there were double tt, seat tube, and head tube... maybe you could unlatch the inner triangle and set it on your desk and look at it all day. Wow - a bonus Waterford Hillborne. Golden. -e On May 3, 8:46 pm, SFF wrote: > I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few > questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it > was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford > builds are out there. > > Joel > > On May 3, 7:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > that. Grant is the master. > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > >> -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
This is a test to see if I could show my new Gunnar Sport in the spirit of Waterford and Hillborne: http://picasaweb.google.com/107231724174916923201/Gunnar#5467470333073420066 On May 4, 9:49 am, Esteban wrote: > I wonder if the Hillborne will have the diagonal or parallel top > tube. My guess is parallel, as that style will be lost with the > Hunqa, and my guess is that the Bombadil will go to diagonal with a > third set of stays, a la mixte. > > If there were double tt, seat tube, and head tube... maybe you could > unlatch the inner triangle and set it on your desk and look at it all > day. > > Wow - a bonus Waterford Hillborne. Golden. > > -e > > On May 3, 8:46 pm, SFF wrote: > > > > > > > I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few > > questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it > > was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford > > builds are out there. > > > Joel > > > On May 3, 7:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > >> -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
How do you tell if your Sam is Waterford built? is there some s/n decoder ring? I got my 56 Sam in late Dec 2009. Not that it would change anything, just nice to know. ~Mike~ On May 3, 8:46 pm, SFF wrote: > I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few > questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it > was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford > builds are out there. > > Joel > > On May 3, 7:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > that. Grant is the master. > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > >> -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Waterford bikes generally have Waterford stamped into the rear dropouts. There might be other simple identifiers. My Bombadil is stamped on the rear dropout, and my Sam (purchased in Dec '09) is not. On May 4, 11:07 am, Michael_S wrote: > How do you tell if your Sam is Waterford built? is there some s/n > decoder ring? > I got my 56 Sam in late Dec 2009. > Not that it would change anything, just nice to know. > > ~Mike~ > > On May 3, 8:46 pm, SFF wrote: > > > > > I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few > > questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it > > was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford > > builds are out there. > > > Joel > > > On May 3, 7:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > >> -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Re: double seat tubes: People have been asking for a Riv tandem for years. Think how many top tubes you could put on a tandem! Bill On May 4, 8:13 am, Mike wrote: > When will we start to see double seat tubes? > > On May 4, 8:01 am, Dustin Sharp wrote: > > > > > > > There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished. > > > You heard it here first. > > > On 5/4/10 7:47 AM, "eflayer" wrote: > > > > Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together > > > on this. Price wise and features wise right there in between off the > > > rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords. I just took delivery of a Gunnar > > > Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork. Kinda like a Hillborne but > > > no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight > > > shorter wheel base. Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the > > > contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company > > > stable during tough economic times. Good luck in that partnership. > > > > On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike wrote: > > >> Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at > > >> work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I > > >> guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed > > >> around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light > > >> touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt > > >> excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I > > >> guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see > > >> pictures of both bikes when they're available. > > > >> --mike > > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > >> For more options, visit this group > > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
This seems like a great deal. Waterford frame (double top tube no less), Taiwan fork for $1250! They must have a really good relationship with waterford. I am surprised the price is so low, does the fork require that much work?? I am sure the double top tuber will look great. On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > just posted to the Riv site. > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > "Here's what's coming: > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > and larger." > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, not a design flaw. Michael On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > that. Grant is the master. > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > > $1250. > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > and larger." > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
> Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > road bike, How about they look so darn cool? http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4561446951/ (for the record, while I really like curved double top tubes, I am not sold on the straight). On May 5, 1:29 pm, MichaelH wrote: > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > not a design flaw. > > Michael > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > that. Grant is the master. > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > > > $1250. > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > and larger." > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
a Gunnar with custom curved blade Waterford fork is $1150. Interesting price points both companies are juggling here. It all sounds good to me. delete the extra top tube and lower the price $100. Then you got the lovely lugged, sloping top tube, steel forked, American made (mostly) $1000 beaut. still not a fan of double top tube aesthetics. a curvey Retrotec is on thing. On May 5, 11:46 am, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > road bike, > > How about they look so darn cool? > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4561446951/ > > (for the record, while I really like curved double top tubes, I am not > sold on the straight). > > On May 5, 1:29 pm, MichaelH wrote: > > > > > > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > > not a design flaw. > > > Michael > > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > > > > $1250. > > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > > and larger." > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext > > > > - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bu
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Does it really matter? outside of the fact that one is MUSA and the other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and ideals? Would you actually recommend that someone buy the Waterford HIllborne over the "normal" HIllborne? If so, why? or, for that matter, why not? Do you think Riv thinks they are different? This is a a tough question for me-- I go back and forth. Hmm. cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything to do with stiffness under cargo load. A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking their frames: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed out. On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH wrote: > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > not a design flaw. > > Michael > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > that. Grant is the master. > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > > > $1250. > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > and larger." > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
> other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford > one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer > lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and > ideals? Waterford has been making highly regarded bikes for quite some time now. What was the Taiwan factory making before it started making Rivs? On May 5, 3:54 pm, cm wrote: > Does it really matter? outside of the fact that one is MUSA and the > other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford > one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer > lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and > ideals? Would you actually recommend that someone buy the Waterford > HIllborne over the "normal" HIllborne? If so, why? or, for that > matter, why not? Do you think Riv thinks they are different? > > This is a a tough question for me-- I go back and forth. > > Hmm. > cm > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Will agree with Steve here. Have had my 56cm Sam Hillborne loaded up with 25 plus pounds of gear in panniers and rear rack and have had no noticable issues with frame flexiness. Even a loaded Carradice Nelson Longflap doesn't seem to change the handling. Other than weight shift of where the load is located. Add to the fact that last year my weight was around 240. So for my use, the Hillborne with a single tube (Singleborne?) is not under stiff. That being said, I personally like the look of double top tubes on the larger Bombadil. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 5, 4:48�pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:22 -0700, William wrote: > > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > > their frames: > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > Yes, but the bike shown in that photo does not have two top tubes. �It > has diagonal stays. � I'm not sure I've ever seen a photo of a campeur > with two top tubes. > > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. > > If a double top tube was needed to make a heavy duty camping bike, I'm > pretty sure Bruce Gordon and Bilenky would be using them on their > camping (i.e., loaded touring) bikes. > > The only double top tubes I can recall (other than these new Rivendells) > are roadsters and newsboy bikes, and in the case of the newsboy bikes I > think the double top tube existed chiefly to provide something to attach > the "tanks" to. > > > �My 56 Hillborne is > > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > > saddle. �The whole frame twists from that rocking load. > > Maybe you ought to get some kind of saddle bag support or rack to attach > that flopping bag to. > > > � If you never > > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > > it. > > A flopping saddle bag isn't at all the same thing as well secured > panniers attached to a sturdy rear rack. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
> Most likely, highly regarded bikes you never heard of, or might have > heard of under another name. Could well be. But if it's my money, I am going with what I know and trust. I know and trust Waterford. If I never heard of something, no matter how good it might be, it is hard for me to trust it. On May 5, 4:40 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:23 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford > > > one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer > > > lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and > > > ideals? > > > Waterford has been making highly regarded bikes for quite some time > > now. What was the Taiwan factory making before it started making > > Rivs? > > Most likely, highly regarded bikes you never heard of, or might have > heard of under another name. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
> That being said, I personally like the look of double top tubes on the > larger Bombadil. Yes. Big bikes without the double tube probably ride alright but look, well, odd: http://oswaldcycleworks.com/mcoswhole.jpg On May 5, 4:56 pm, EricP wrote: > Will agree with Steve here. Have had my 56cm Sam Hillborne loaded up > with 25 plus pounds of gear in panniers and rear rack and have had no > noticable issues with frame flexiness. Even a loaded Carradice Nelson > Longflap doesn't seem to change the handling. Other than weight shift > of where the load is located. Add to the fact that last year my > weight was around 240. So for my use, the Hillborne with a single > tube (Singleborne?) is not under stiff. > > That being said, I personally like the look of double top tubes on the > larger Bombadil. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On May 5, 4:48 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:22 -0700, William wrote: > > > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > > > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > > > their frames: > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > > Yes, but the bike shown in that photo does not have two top tubes. It > > has diagonal stays. I'm not sure I've ever seen a photo of a campeur > > with two top tubes. > > > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. > > > If a double top tube was needed to make a heavy duty camping bike, I'm > > pretty sure Bruce Gordon and Bilenky would be using them on their > > camping (i.e., loaded touring) bikes. > > > The only double top tubes I can recall (other than these new Rivendells) > > are roadsters and newsboy bikes, and in the case of the newsboy bikes I > > think the double top tube existed chiefly to provide something to attach > > the "tanks" to. > > > > My 56 Hillborne is > > > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > > > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. > > > Maybe you ought to get some kind of saddle bag support or rack to attach > > that flopping bag to. > > > > If you never > > > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > > > it. > > > A flopping saddle bag isn't at all the same thing as well secured > > panniers attached to a sturdy rear rack. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
Eric,Steve I clumsily overstated the front triangle flex of my Sam. It's not a problem. It's also not a swinging unsupported saddlebag, but that doesn't particularly matter. I should have simply posted that I think Grant designed in the 2TT option to stiffen the front triangle of the larger Sam (rather than strengthen it against failure or merely add it for looks). I haven't discussed it with him, but that's my guess. I might be wrong. On May 5, 2:56 pm, EricP wrote: > Will agree with Steve here. Have had my 56cm Sam Hillborne loaded up > with 25 plus pounds of gear in panniers and rear rack and have had no > noticable issues with frame flexiness. Even a loaded Carradice Nelson > Longflap doesn't seem to change the handling. Other than weight shift > of where the load is located. Add to the fact that last year my > weight was around 240. So for my use, the Hillborne with a single > tube (Singleborne?) is not under stiff. > > That being said, I personally like the look of double top tubes on the > larger Bombadil. > > Eric Platt > St. Paul, MN > > On May 5, 4:48 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:22 -0700, William wrote: > > > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > > > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > > > their frames: > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > > Yes, but the bike shown in that photo does not have two top tubes. It > > has diagonal stays. I'm not sure I've ever seen a photo of a campeur > > with two top tubes. > > > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. > > > If a double top tube was needed to make a heavy duty camping bike, I'm > > pretty sure Bruce Gordon and Bilenky would be using them on their > > camping (i.e., loaded touring) bikes. > > > The only double top tubes I can recall (other than these new Rivendells) > > are roadsters and newsboy bikes, and in the case of the newsboy bikes I > > think the double top tube existed chiefly to provide something to attach > > the "tanks" to. > > > > My 56 Hillborne is > > > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > > > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. > > > Maybe you ought to get some kind of saddle bag support or rack to attach > > that flopping bag to. > > > > If you never > > > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > > > it. > > > A flopping saddle bag isn't at all the same thing as well secured > > panniers attached to a sturdy rear rack. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
i am not a loaded tourer. Aesthetically, given a choice, I'd choose that "mixte" approach to stiffening way before the "current" Riv approach to double top tubes. On May 5, 2:22 pm, William wrote: > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > their frames: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the > Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my > Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm > buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, > more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed > out. > > On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH wrote: > > > > > > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > > not a design flaw. > > > Michael > > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > > > > $1250. > > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > > and larger." > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext > > > > - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message b
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
There are definitely several ways to design a bike that is 'stiff enough' for the application. I'm a fan of that long mixte look also, but I like the 2TT look, too. For whatever reason, the one that I visually don't like at all is the curvy tube beach-cruiser look. On May 5, 4:58 pm, eflayer wrote: > i am not a loaded tourer. Aesthetically, given a choice, I'd choose > that "mixte" approach to stiffening way before the "current" Riv > approach to double top tubes. > > On May 5, 2:22 pm, William wrote: > > > > > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > > their frames: > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is > > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never > > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > > it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the > > Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my > > Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm > > buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, > > more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed > > out. > > > On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH wrote: > > > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > > > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > > > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > > > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > > > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > > > not a design flaw. > > > > Michael > > > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > > > > > $1250. > > > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from > > > > > > Waterford. > > > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also > > > > > > available > > > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > > > and larger." > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > a
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I was under the impression that the heavy duty camper in the line-up was the Atlantis, and the Hillbourne / AHH were all purpose "country" bikes. The Atlantis, the Surly LHT, and the Co-motion Americano all have pretty good reputation as heavy duty campers, and all with a single top tube. Michael On May 5, 5:22 pm, William wrote: > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > their frames: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the > Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my > Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm > buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, > more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed > out. > > On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH wrote: > > > > > > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > > not a design flaw. > > > Michael > > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > > > > $1250. > > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > > and larger." > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext > > > > - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I just took possession of a Waterford Sam last Thursday. It is a 56cm and it has only a single top tube. I wasn't expecting to go the Waterford route but when I finally decided to pull the trigger I went to RBWWHQ with debit card in hand and was told that the incoming batch would only accept sidepuls - a dealbreaker (deal-braker?) for me, as I absolutely positively prefer V-brakes to all others in all situations. I was then told that I could order a Waterford-built frame with canti studs for an extra $250, which seemed like a great deal for a domestic frame. (Didn't realize at the time that I would also have to pay for the bottom bracket - included in the Taiwan frames but not in the Waterfords.) Well, I ended up lucking out because the Taiwanese sidepull-only frames ended up delayed (due to critically unsafe label placement) but my Waterford came in right on time. It almost goes without saying that I am completely, totally in love with the bike. Today is the first day that I haven't brought it to work with me and I'm wondering how it's doing at home all alone... Link to a site that was kind enough to carry my photos: http://www.ecovelo.info/2010/05/03/gallery-daniels-rivendell-sam-hillborne/ Some unwarranted and unsubstantiated speculation: My original impression when I was in the shop was that the idea was to permanently switch to sidepull-only frames to make the Sam more of a discount AHH. On further thought it occurs to me that canti studs and the housing stop/bridge on the rear cost money to fabricate and eliminating them makes it easier to hold down the cost on what is supposed to be the budget bike. Somewhere I got the idea that the only reason for the Waterford option was that they had extra Taiwan- built forks with the canti studs and that they would special-order the Waterford bikes until the forks ran out. I'm wondering if the decal issue/delay has gotten the Riv folks fed up with the Taiwan folks and looking to build them exclusively through Waterford in the future. I am really surprised that the 56 would get a double top tube and originally thought it was a misprint. I did see a double-tubed Sam in the shop but I'm not sure what size it was. Daniel On May 5, 9:36 am, jpp wrote: > This seems like a great deal. Waterford frame (double top tube no > less), Taiwan fork for $1250! They must have a really good > relationship with waterford. I am surprised the price is so low, does > the fork require that much work?? I am sure the double top tuber will > look great. > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > "Here's what's coming: > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > and larger." > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
my only comment to this discussion is the location of the reinforcing 2nd tube. The Retrotec's and the Singers both look aesthetically correct. The Bomba does not work for me visually. I cast my lowly Rivendell newbie vote for the diagonal design on any new Sam or Hunqua. ~Mike~ On May 5, 2:22 pm, William wrote: > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > their frames: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the > Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my > Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm > buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, > more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed > out. > > On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH wrote: > > > > > > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > > not a design flaw. > > > Michael > > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced at > > > > $1250. > > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford. > > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available > > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > > and larger." > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext > > > > - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On May 5, 9:42 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I'm glad I got a 56 with the single tt. I can see any reason for two, > neither looks nor durability. Odd. > Maybe not on the 56, but as frames get larger they become more susceptible to shimmy. The 60 and above could be shimmy machines in the right conditions. And if you've ever experienced high speed shimmy, you will readily consider purchasing a triple top tube bike if it's offered. Hey, a Triple-pillar for 2011? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
> Are you contending that the double (or god forbid, triple) Why God forbid? I like traditional diamond frames, but triple frames done right look swell. http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4561446951/ On May 6, 6:11 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 22:46 -0700, happyriding wrote: > > On May 5, 9:42 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > I'm glad I got a 56 with the single tt. I can see any reason for two, > > > neither looks nor durability. Odd. > > > Maybe not on the 56, but as frames get larger they become more > > susceptible to shimmy. The 60 and above could be shimmy machines in > > the right conditions. And if you've ever experienced high speed > > shimmy, you will readily consider purchasing a triple top tube bike if > > it's offered. Hey, a Triple-pillar for 2011? > > Are you contending that the double (or god forbid, triple) top tube is > meant to prevent speed wobble? I'd like to see some evidence for that. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I love my double-TT Bombadil, and I love that twin top-tubes pisses everybody off. Moustache bars, lugs, technomic stems, 650b wheels. Same thing.It's why I like Rivendell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I would say that the double top tube is not completely necessary for structural integrity. I would just say it looks awesome! Very unique design, but I agree with newenglandbike that it is like lugs, 650b or moustache bars, Riv always pushes the boundaries of the normal definition of what a bike is. That is why I like them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished. You heard it here first. On 5/4/10 7:47 AM, "eflayer" wrote: > Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together > on this. Price wise and features wise right there in between off the > rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords. I just took delivery of a Gunnar > Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork. Kinda like a Hillborne but > no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight > shorter wheel base. Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the > contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company > stable during tough economic times. Good luck in that partnership. > > On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike wrote: >> Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at >> work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I >> guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed >> around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light >> touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt >> excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I >> guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see >> pictures of both bikes when they're available. >> >> --mike >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
how about the SimpleOne? would it then need to be renamed the SimpleTwo? :) best, andrew On May 4, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Dustin Sharp wrote: > There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished. > > You heard it here first. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
i dunno.. i bought an orange cantisam recently.. if i'd had the option of another top tube for $250 more i'd have taken it.. of course, i probably wouldn't have subsequently picked up a used Bombadil frame.. seems to me that there is a risk of blurring the lines between a Sam and a Bomba, but maybe that's just me... actually, i probably would have bought both anyways - the Bomba is a size down, so better suited for mountain biking.. the Sam is a great fit for road/touring, but a wee bit too big for me for off-road. best, andrew On May 4, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Darin G. wrote: > I don't get the two top tube thing. I ride the 56 Sam and putting two > top tubes on it seems like it would take an elegant design and turn it > into a five-legged chair. I understand the strength argument, just > can't see why it would be necessary. This bike's already pretty > stout. I also wonder why Rivendell would dilute the successful brand > associated with the Sam with essentially three different bikes--the > original canti version, the side-pull version, and a mutant > Samapillar. > > D.G. > > On May 4, 9:01 am, Dustin Sharp wrote: >> There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished. >> >> You heard it here first. >> >> On 5/4/10 7:47 AM, "eflayer" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together >>> on this. Price wise and features wise right there in between off the >>> rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords. I just took delivery of a Gunnar >>> Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork. Kinda like a Hillborne but >>> no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight >>> shorter wheel base. Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the >>> contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company >>> stable during tough economic times. Good luck in that partnership. >> >>> On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike wrote: Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see pictures of both bikes when they're available. >> --mike >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
For real bomber-strength frames, what we need is double head tubes. And maybe 4-legged forks. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Mike wrote: > When will we start to see double seat tubes? > > On May 4, 8:01 am, Dustin Sharp wrote: >> There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished. >> >> You heard it here first. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:23 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > other is not, is there any real tangible difference? Is the Waterford > > one better? better quality? better construction? better riding? longer > > lasting? better... something? or are we just talking about ideas and > > ideals? > > Waterford has been making highly regarded bikes for quite some time > now. What was the Taiwan factory making before it started making > Rivs? Most likely, highly regarded bikes you never heard of, or might have heard of under another name. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 14:22 -0700, William wrote: > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > their frames: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ Yes, but the bike shown in that photo does not have two top tubes. It has diagonal stays. I'm not sure I've ever seen a photo of a campeur with two top tubes. > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. If a double top tube was needed to make a heavy duty camping bike, I'm pretty sure Bruce Gordon and Bilenky would be using them on their camping (i.e., loaded touring) bikes. The only double top tubes I can recall (other than these new Rivendells) are roadsters and newsboy bikes, and in the case of the newsboy bikes I think the double top tube existed chiefly to provide something to attach the "tanks" to. > My 56 Hillborne is > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. Maybe you ought to get some kind of saddle bag support or rack to attach that flopping bag to. > If you never > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > it. A flopping saddle bag isn't at all the same thing as well secured panniers attached to a sturdy rear rack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 15:04 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Most likely, highly regarded bikes you never heard of, or might have > > heard of under another name. > > Could well be. But if it's my money, I am going with what I know and > trust. I know and trust Waterford. If I never heard of something, no > matter how good it might be, it is hard for me to trust it. You trust Rivendell, don't you? It's their name on the down tube, and I'm 100% confident they wouldn't put their name on the downtube if they themselves weren't 100% confident in the workmanship and materials. Grant may be many things, but you can be 100% certain he isn't stupid; and I'm absolutely certain this is a case of "the quality goes in before the name goes on (TM)". However, there's absolutely no reason to not go for a Waterford-built bike if you can afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I'm glad I got a 56 with the single tt. I can see any reason for two, neither looks nor durability. Odd. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:46 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > road bike, > > How about they look so darn cool? > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/retrotec-inglis-cycles/4561446951/ > > (for the record, while I really like curved double top tubes, I am not > sold on the straight). > > On May 5, 1:29 pm, MichaelH wrote: > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > > not a design flaw. > > > > Michael > > > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with > a > > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced > at > > > > $1250. > > > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from > Waterford. > > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also > available > > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > > and larger." > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this gr
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I've carried close to 40 lb in back on my 56 single tuber with no problems; and this in Dutch style panniers that aren't nearly as securely fastened as, say, Ortliebs. I still don't see the need, and I'm glad I got a Waterford with cantis and one tt. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:22 PM, William wrote: > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > their frames: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the > Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my > Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm > buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, > more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed > out. > > On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH wrote: > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > > not a design flaw. > > > > Michael > > > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien wrote: > > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with > a > > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakespriced > at > > > > $1250. > > > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer wrote: > > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from > Waterford. > > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also > available > > > > > on request. All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever > > > > > brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm > > > > > and larger." > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.go
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 22:46 -0700, happyriding wrote: > On May 5, 9:42 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > I'm glad I got a 56 with the single tt. I can see any reason for two, > > neither looks nor durability. Odd. > > > > Maybe not on the 56, but as frames get larger they become more > susceptible to shimmy. The 60 and above could be shimmy machines in > the right conditions. And if you've ever experienced high speed > shimmy, you will readily consider purchasing a triple top tube bike if > it's offered. Hey, a Triple-pillar for 2011? Are you contending that the double (or god forbid, triple) top tube is meant to prevent speed wobble? I'd like to see some evidence for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:46 AM, happyriding wrote: > On May 5, 9:42 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > I'm glad I got a 56 with the single tt. I can see any reason for two, > > neither looks nor durability. Odd. > > > > Maybe not on the 56, but as frames get larger they become more > susceptible to shimmy. The 60 and above could be shimmy machines in > the right conditions. And if you've ever experienced high speed > shimmy, you will readily consider purchasing a triple top tube bike if > it's offered. Hey, a Triple-pillar for 2011? > There are lots of bikes over 60cm that don't shimmy. If it's a problem, it can be fixed by making the top tube and or down tube thicker or larger in diameter. For years the Atlantis was sold as a stout touring bike, and it never had two top tubes. At one point, they even made it as big as 68cm! Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?
I think you've hit the nail on the head... A double top tube is an opportunity for: More lugs! On 5/6/2010 8:17 AM, jpp wrote: I would say that the double top tube is not completely necessary for structural integrity. I would just say it looks awesome! Very unique design, but I agree with newenglandbike that it is like lugs, 650b or moustache bars, Riv always pushes the boundaries of the normal definition of what a bike is. That is why I like them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
