Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Guy LeVan]

I absolutely adore my 2015 size 57 in Tiburon Blue.  If you want to see the 
Grant design influence, check out bikeinsights dot com comparison of this 
model to a Bleriot in size 59.  This 57cm was a new addition to the San 
Marcos lineup, and is as close to a perfect geometry for my morph than most 
bikes I’ve ridden. This is a bike that remains in my quiver.



On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 8:53:23 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the link to that documentation. I believe mine is a 54cm 2014 
> model. It looks like I got the newer blue color with the older fork. It's a 
> bridge model, I guess!
>
> On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 9:07 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San 
>> Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue 
>> versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include 
>> the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the 
>>  larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c 
>> wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 
>>  
>> 2013: 
>> https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf
>>
>> 2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking 
>>> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand 
>>> the evolution of the fork and color. 
>>>
>>> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's 
>>> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
 Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
 thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
 you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
 to attach the third bottle holder?





 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
> fork.
>
> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  
> wrote:
>
>> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like 
>> it is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter 
>> fork. But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as 
>> mine 
>> yet with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have 
>> the 
>> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. 
>> Did 
>> you rig yours as an add-on?
>>
>> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid 
>> yet handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not 
>> a 
>> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle 
>> in 
>> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how 
>> it 
>> compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
>> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking good, Gary!
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]

 On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't 
> mind. You don't see too many in the wild!
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
> wrote:
>
>> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
>> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San 
>> Marcos. Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is 
>> living its 
>> best life. 
>>
>> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you 
>> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one 
>> doesn't 
>> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your 
>> lugged one 
>> is pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 
>> in...@brentknepper.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group 
>>> rides on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun 
>>> journey! 
>>> I was lucky to buy Valerie's 

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Eric White]

Thanks for the link to that documentation. I believe mine is a 54cm 2014
model. It looks like I got the newer blue color with the older fork. It's a
bridge model, I guess!

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 9:07 AM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San
> Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue
> versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include
> the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the
>  larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c
> wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels.
>
> 2013:
> https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf
>
> 2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking
>> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand
>> the evolution of the fork and color.
>>
>> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's
>> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also
>>> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand
>>> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps
>>> to attach the third bottle holder?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very
 steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in
 what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant
 fork.

 [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]

 On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it
> is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork.
> But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet
> with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the
> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did
> you rig yours as an add-on?
>
> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet
> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a
> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in
> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it
> compares in geometry to the Roadini.
> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Looking good, Gary!
>>
>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't
 mind. You don't see too many in the wild!

 On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates 
 wrote:

> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky
> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San
> Marcos. Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is 
> living its
> best life.
>
> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you
> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one 
> doesn't
> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged 
> one
> is pending, then it depends on price and timing. 
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides
>> on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! 
>> I was
>> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as 
>> the
>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth 
>> tires
>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
>> surprise
>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>
>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals
>> and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™
>> seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike 
>> doesn't
>> meet their expectations, the women and other folks always 

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Valerie Yates]

Oops- replied in the same thread. i thought changing the subject line would 
make it into a new one. Guess it doesn't actually matter. 

On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 8:07:38 AM UTC-6 Valerie Yates wrote:

> Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San 
> Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue 
> versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include 
> the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the 
>  larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c 
> wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 
>  
> 2013: 
> https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf
>
> 2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking 
>> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand 
>> the evolution of the fork and color. 
>>
>> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's 
>> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
>>> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
>>> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
>>> to attach the third bottle holder?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
 steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
 what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
 fork.

 [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]

 On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:

> Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it 
> is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter 
> fork. 
> But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet 
> with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the 
> straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did 
> you rig yours as an add-on?
>
> Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet 
> handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a 
> massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle 
> in 
> my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how 
> it 
> compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
> [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Looking good, Gary!
>>
>> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't 
 mind. You don't see too many in the wild!

 On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
 wrote:

> Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
> smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San 
> Marcos. Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is 
> living its 
> best life. 
>
> Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you 
> love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one 
> doesn't 
> turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged 
> one 
> is pending, then it depends on price and timing.  
>
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides 
>> on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! 
>> I was 
>> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as 
>> the 
>> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth 
>> tires 
>> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
>> surprise 
>> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>>
>> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals 
>> and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ 
>> seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike 
>> doesn't 
>> meet 

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Valerie Yates]

Following up from a different thread re offshoot discussion of the San 
Marcos, the color changed between the 2013 Pearl Blue and 2015 Tiburon Blue 
versions, when they also expanded the range using 650b wheels to include 
the 54 and new 57 size.. Maybe the straight fork was retained on the 
 larger 650b sizes? The 59 and 63 had a double top tube and take 700c 
wheels. Mine is a 51 Tiburon Blue with 650b wheels. 
 
2013: https://www.somafab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/san-marcos-flyer2.pdf

2015: https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:11:47 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought mine from a friend of a friend and I've done a bit of poking 
> around on the history of the San Marcos but I still don't fully understand 
> the evolution of the fork and color. 
>
> I used the Velo Orange band clamps for the third water bottle cage. It's 
> been rock solid and handy having the option for one more bottle. 
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 10:04 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>
>> Interesting! I thought the color determined which fork it had. I also 
>> thought you were re-posting another pic of Gary's bike. Now, I understand 
>> you were replying to his pic with one of your own. Did you use band clamps 
>> to attach the third bottle holder?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:37:37 PM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. It's a great bike. Just a joy to ride. I find mine to be very 
>>> steady and stable but there's nothing plodding about it. Here's mine in 
>>> what I believe is the same color as yours, but without the more elegant 
>>> fork.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20240421_165935710.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 6:42 PM Valerie Yates  wrote:
>>>
 Gary -- I only saw the one, semi-sideways picture, which looks like it 
 is in the other blue color, which I thought came with the straighter fork. 
 But the picture that Eric re-posted looks like the same color as mine yet 
 with a straighter fork. Do you have one in each color? Do both have the 
 straighter fork curve? Mine does not have a 3rd set of bottle bosses. Did 
 you rig yours as an add-on?

 Eric -- Here is mine. Such a great bike.  Light, nimble, and fluid yet 
 handles gravel, etc. without issue. I have no idea why this was not a 
 massive success. My sister-in-law has one too and so she keeps a saddle in 
 my garage so she can borrow mine when she visits. Would love to see how it 
 compares in geometry to the Roadini. 
 [image: PXL_20240514_231824905.jpg]



 On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:26:48 AM UTC-6 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking good, Gary!
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM LBleriot  wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_0374.jpeg]
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 8:45:46 PM UTC-4 eric.j...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> San Marcos, you say? Let's see a photo of that one, if you don't 
>>> mind. You don't see too many in the wild!
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 5:50 PM Valerie Yates  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Brent! So glad you are happy with the Bleriot. That bike is silky 
 smooth. Entirely comparable to both my Roadeo and Soma San Marcos. 
 Which is why I was able to let it go. I am so glad it is living its 
 best 
 life. 

 Leah -  All of the above. If a used one turns up, buy it. If you 
 love it and want a lugged one, sell the used one. If a used one 
 doesn't 
 turn up, order a lugged one. If a used one turns up while your lugged 
 one 
 is pending, then it depends on price and timing.  


 On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 4:38:35 PM UTC-6 in...@brentknepper.com 
 wrote:

> I'm another person whose been showing up to road bike group rides 
> on a road-style Riv the last year or so and it's been a fun journey! 
> I was 
> lucky to buy Valerie's old Riv Bleriot on here and I maintain it as 
> the 
> befendered iteration of my two "fast" bikes- aka bikes with smooth 
> tires 
> and drop bars. it's nice having a dedicated fender bike for when a 
> surprise 
> midwest rain storm passes through 2 hours before a ride
>
> anyway I always show up in a t-shirt or hoodie and chaco sandals 
> and my bars level with the leather saddle. While the RoadieBoys™ 
> seem confused about socializing with someone whose appearance/bike 
> doesn't 
> meet their expectations, the women and other folks always say how 
> beautiful 
> the Bleriot is, how the fenders are so smart in keeping my sandal'd 
> feet 
> clean while being helpful to whoever might be behind me, and how neat 
> it is 
> that I'm still fast "enough" to keep pace despite not having the 
> 

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos paint question

[Michael Baquerizo]

that sucks. but if the price was right maybe its a good opportunity get it 
painted with a cream headtube. that bike could have been so much better 
looking with one.

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 12:32:37 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That fork is the earlier San Marcos color, I don't know why the frameset 
> was sold to you this way. 
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 8:53:26 AM UTC-7 eil...@umich.edu wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I recently purchased a 59cm Soma San Marcos from a former Soma bike 
>> dealer who had a few new, still-in-the-box framesets sitting around. 
>> The frameset I purchased is the later Tiburon blue version with a fork that 
>> has braze-ons for a front rack. However, the fork color appears to not 
>> match the frame. 
>>
>> Have any current or former San Marcos owners seen or heard of 
>> other instances of this?
>>
>> [image: IMG_9678.jpeg][image: IMG_9671.jpeg]
>> -- 
>> Logan Eiland
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos paint question

[Joe Bernard]

That fork is the earlier San Marcos color, I don't know why the frameset 
was sold to you this way. 

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 8:53:26 AM UTC-7 eil...@umich.edu wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I recently purchased a 59cm Soma San Marcos from a former Soma bike dealer 
> who had a few new, still-in-the-box framesets sitting around. The frameset 
> I purchased is the later Tiburon blue version with a fork that has 
> braze-ons for a front rack. However, the fork color appears to not match 
> the frame. 
>
> Have any current or former San Marcos owners seen or heard of 
> other instances of this?
>
> [image: IMG_9678.jpeg][image: IMG_9671.jpeg]
> -- 
> Logan Eiland
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos size for 87.5cm PBH

[PG]

I have a PBH of 86.5 (measured by Grant) and ride a 54 San Marcos. It's a 
really good fit. So, I would go with the 57...if it were me.

Paul

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos size for 87.5cm PBH

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My PBH is 89 cm, and I ride a 59 San Marcos with plenty of seatpost. 
According to the geometry chart, there is only .1" between the two sizes. 
The 59 has 2 top tubes where the 57 will only have 1, if that matters to 
you. The 57 is designed for 650b, and 59 is 700c.

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 11:41:40 AM UTC-5, Momo wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've taken a measurement of my PBH and I came with 87.5cm.
>
> I have a choice of Soma San Marcos frames - a 57 or a 59.
>
> I'm not sure which one to get. Does anyone out there ride a San Marcos of 
> 57 or 59 with a similar PBH?
>
> The San Marcos geo is here:
>
> http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set
>
> Please help me with this quandary!
>
> Thanks,
>
> M
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[PineTarSoap]

Just a follow-up. I contacted Riv HQ and they no longer sell this frame and 
said that even if were to get one from Soma they could not build it up due 
to changes they made to the frame (different sizes and some wheel size 
changes).



On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 7:44:54 AM UTC-7, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> What Reed said x1000we are rather fortunate to have someone in the 
> industry that has his or her integrity fully intact.
>
> It's a rarity to say the least.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

What Reed said x1000we are rather fortunate to have someone in the industry 
that has his or her integrity fully intact.

It's a rarity to say the least.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

I don't really know if that's true anymore. The cost of labor in China 
isn't much lower than Taiwan. In some cases (Colossi for instance) it's 
actually quite a bit more because there is more competition for skilled 
welders. It's more about materials and supply chain.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Joe Bernard]

Riv could do a truly ridiculous-low-cost bike made in China. Thankfully there's 
NO chance of this happening. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Reed Kennedy]

It's always nice to think about getting something just-as-good for less
money. I believe that's what Grant / Riv were looking to do with the Clem
and Clementine. They've been open about what compromises were required to
get down to that price point, and now folks can choose between a bike with
no compromises, one with some compromises (Appaloosa complete or Hilsen
complete), or one with more, though still thoughtful, compromises (Clem and
Clementine). Everyone is welcome to decide what is important to them, and
what suits their budget.

I don't think anyone will argue that it's not possible to make a somewhat
Rivvish bike for less than $1,300-1,500. I don't think anyone would argue
that a $500 Rivvish bike wouldn't sell quite well. But I imagine actually
doing it would require making compromises that Grant and the other folks at
Riv don't want to make. Some of those compromises are doubtless about parts
quality, frame materials, and fabrication. But I like to think there are
other compromises that Riv chooses not to make regarding arranging fair
deals with their suppliers and making sure the folks who make their bikes
have fair working conditions and decent lives.

When you make something really, truly cheap there are often costs that
aren't apparent in the final product. I like that Riv thinks about that. I
feel better buying things from them because of it.


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> When I think of Bikes Direct, I think of lower cost, though certainly the
> higher levels can get up there a bit.  Even just the Riv build kits are
> more than many BD complete bikes.  Imagine a Riv inspired 21-24 speed
> triple for under $500.  Here's an example of the level I was thinking of:
> http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/gran_premio_s.htm
>
> I don't really have room for a second bike, but if I could get a Riv
> inspired bike (that felt like a Riv) at around that level and price, I
> might get another just to have a spare or to haul around as a beater.
>
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:
>
>> Isn't Rivendell technically the Bikes Direct Grant Designs? I know they
>> have more dealers now, but it's been mail order since day 1. Don't get me
>> wrong, the San Marcos rides great imo, but the Bleriot was like 95% perfect
>> and I for one was really disappointed that they didn't just re-relase it
>> and just add more fork eyelets. My assumption is that it was intened to
>> fill several gaps in the Riv line without cannibalizing any of their other
>> models, but what Riv customer is going to want to be stuck running 33mm
>> tires with barely any fender clearance. For that matter, why would you use
>> "lightweight" tubing just to slap on a second top tube? If it's just for
>> looks then fine, but using heavier tubing and just having the one makes a
>> lot more sense.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have the older frame with the fork that gets disparaged but I love it and 
that is what matters. Oh and I'm a girl but don't agree with it it being a 
girly bike. That thought never crossed my mind

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Tim Butterfield]

When I think of Bikes Direct, I think of lower cost, though certainly the
higher levels can get up there a bit.  Even just the Riv build kits are
more than many BD complete bikes.  Imagine a Riv inspired 21-24 speed
triple for under $500.  Here's an example of the level I was thinking of:
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/gran_premio_s.htm

I don't really have room for a second bike, but if I could get a Riv
inspired bike (that felt like a Riv) at around that level and price, I
might get another just to have a spare or to haul around as a beater.

Tim

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:

> Isn't Rivendell technically the Bikes Direct Grant Designs? I know they
> have more dealers now, but it's been mail order since day 1. Don't get me
> wrong, the San Marcos rides great imo, but the Bleriot was like 95% perfect
> and I for one was really disappointed that they didn't just re-relase it
> and just add more fork eyelets. My assumption is that it was intened to
> fill several gaps in the Riv line without cannibalizing any of their other
> models, but what Riv customer is going to want to be stuck running 33mm
> tires with barely any fender clearance. For that matter, why would you use
> "lightweight" tubing just to slap on a second top tube? If it's just for
> looks then fine, but using heavier tubing and just having the one makes a
> lot more sense.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Tim Butterfield]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Tim: look to Brooklyn Bicycle for a Bikes Direct-priced Grant design. I
> doubt he did the whole line, but I know he was involved at some point.
> There's a 3-speed double-tuber with flipped bars that looks like a budget
> Pashley Guv'nor..very cool.


Those forks don't remind me of Riv.  Any bends are too high; doesn't look
as elegant to me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

Isn't Rivendell technically the Bikes Direct Grant Designs? I know they have 
more dealers now, but it's been mail order since day 1. Don't get me wrong, the 
San Marcos rides great imo, but the Bleriot was like 95% perfect and I for one 
was really disappointed that they didn't just re-relase it and just add more 
fork eyelets. My assumption is that it was intened to fill several gaps in the 
Riv line without cannibalizing any of their other models, but what Riv customer 
is going to want to be stuck running 33mm tires with barely any fender 
clearance. For that matter, why would you use "lightweight" tubing just to slap 
on a second top tube? If it's just for looks then fine, but using heavier 
tubing and just having the one makes a lot more sense.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Joe Bernard]

Girly looking. That's funny!

Tim: look to Brooklyn Bicycle for a Bikes Direct-priced Grant design. I doubt 
he did the whole line, but I know he was involved at some point. There's a 
3-speed double-tuber with flipped bars that looks like a budget Pashley 
Guv'nor..very cool.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hey Evan tell us how you really feel about the bike!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

I suspect it had somthing to do with the butt ugly forks they originally 
came with. And not having front rack mounts. And not having decent tire 
clearance. And not being low trail or planing. And generally being overly 
"girly" looking.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Reed Kennedy]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> I have to echo Sean's comment.  Given the relative price break in the Soma
> for something designed by Riv and with Riv quality ride, I too am puzzled
> by the lack of sales for this model.  The bike clearly exceeded my
> expectations!
>

I suspect the San Marcos suffered from not having much of anybody to
promote it.

   - I don't remember Rivendell extolling its virtues as much as they have
   bikes that are more fully theirs. Grant has said that Riv only got $6 per
   frame sold elsewhere. It also represented a direction (speedy) that Riv has
   moved away from a bit since then. I get the impression Riv hoped it would
   be an inexpensive Rivvy bike, but it ended up costing almost as much as a
   "real" Riv. They seem to have accomplished this goal better with the Clem
   and the Sam complete, which tend to come in at (or below) the cost of a
   built San Marcos, and both of which (I hope) make more money for Riv.
   - LBSes were never (as far as I know) offered the San Marcos as a
   complete bike. Its a rare LBS that is going to build up a bare frame
   without a customer directing the build. It's a lot more work, and a
   significant financial risk.
   - SOMA didn't seem to push it much either. I don't know why they didn't
   offer it as a complete as they have other bikes, or do anything else to
   actually get them out into the retail channel.

It almost seems like the San Marcos was somebody's pet project that kind of
lost steam. I'd love to know more about how the San Marcos project went at
SOMA / Merry Sales and how many were sold, but for now I'll just keep
wondering.

Whatever happened, it sure did result in a lovely bicycle!


Reed



> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-4, se...@austin.utexas.edu
> wrote:
>>
>> I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the
>> Riv ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through
>> my local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only
>> a couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of 78cm.
>> Soma makes a nice quill stem too that can get the bars up real high
>> (similar neck problems as well). I am running the Soma stem with some
>> flipped Albas and loading on the front (Carradice Barley and Sackville
>> trunksack mounted to a Mark's rack) and it handles perfectly fine.
>> Definitely reminds me of my old 2nd generation Rambouillet as far as ride
>> quality is concerned. But being designed for 650b tires and allowing for
>> wider rubber certainly make it a nicer ride. Running Soma new express and
>> they soak up the Texas chip seal no problem. The newer fork is beautiful
>> too with a very elegant bend. I can't believe this frame wasn't more of a
>> top seller for Soma (and Riv). If you can score one from Riv (maybe hidden
>> in the depths of Riv's stockroom) or a shop (American Cyclery?), by all
>> means do it.
>>
>> Sean
>> ATX
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Tim Butterfield]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Evan Baird  wrote:

> The SM costs about twice what it should because it's sold through IBDs. If
> it was made by a company that only sold to consumers it would have been a
> home run I'm certain.


So, a Bikes Direct bike designed by Grant?  That might be interesting.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

The SM costs about twice what it should because it's sold through IBDs. If it 
was made by a company that only sold to consumers it would have been a home run 
I'm certain.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Philip Kim]

Same, the geometry is similar to the Hillborne, but much lighter and 
heat-treated tubing. I was particularly surprised that even the seat 
stay/chain stays joint was lugged as well.  I don't think other Riv's are 
even lugged at that point (at least I know that the Cheviot and Hillborne 
aren't). But it does have a slightly less clearance than the Hillborne or 
AAH - Chainstays are 130, and the fork crown is slightly smaller. But it's 
such a stellar deal, I definitely like it over the Chev and Hillborne (love 
my Hunq the most though).

I assume it's because a lot of people don't really view it as a Rivendell.

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 10:16:20 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I have to echo Sean's comment.  Given the relative price break in the Soma 
> for something designed by Riv and with Riv quality ride, I too am puzzled 
> by the lack of sales for this model.  The bike clearly exceeded my 
> expectations!
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-4, se...@austin.utexas.edu 
> wrote:
>>
>> I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the 
>> Riv ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through 
>> my local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only 
>> a couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of 78cm. 
>> Soma makes a nice quill stem too that can get the bars up real high 
>> (similar neck problems as well). I am running the Soma stem with some 
>> flipped Albas and loading on the front (Carradice Barley and Sackville 
>> trunksack mounted to a Mark's rack) and it handles perfectly fine. 
>> Definitely reminds me of my old 2nd generation Rambouillet as far as ride 
>> quality is concerned. But being designed for 650b tires and allowing for 
>> wider rubber certainly make it a nicer ride. Running Soma new express and 
>> they soak up the Texas chip seal no problem. The newer fork is beautiful 
>> too with a very elegant bend. I can't believe this frame wasn't more of a 
>> top seller for Soma (and Riv). If you can score one from Riv (maybe hidden 
>> in the depths of Riv's stockroom) or a shop (American Cyclery?), by all 
>> means do it.
>>
>> Sean
>> ATX
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have to echo Sean's comment.  Given the relative price break in the Soma 
for something designed by Riv and with Riv quality ride, I too am puzzled 
by the lack of sales for this model.  The bike clearly exceeded my 
expectations!

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-4, se...@austin.utexas.edu 
wrote:
>
> I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the 
> Riv ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through 
> my local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only 
> a couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of 78cm. 
> Soma makes a nice quill stem too that can get the bars up real high 
> (similar neck problems as well). I am running the Soma stem with some 
> flipped Albas and loading on the front (Carradice Barley and Sackville 
> trunksack mounted to a Mark's rack) and it handles perfectly fine. 
> Definitely reminds me of my old 2nd generation Rambouillet as far as ride 
> quality is concerned. But being designed for 650b tires and allowing for 
> wider rubber certainly make it a nicer ride. Running Soma new express and 
> they soak up the Texas chip seal no problem. The newer fork is beautiful 
> too with a very elegant bend. I can't believe this frame wasn't more of a 
> top seller for Soma (and Riv). If you can score one from Riv (maybe hidden 
> in the depths of Riv's stockroom) or a shop (American Cyclery?), by all 
> means do it.
>
> Sean
> ATX
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[s...@austin.utexas.edu]

I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the Riv 
ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through my 
local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only a 
couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of 78cm. 
Soma makes a nice quill stem too that can get the bars up real high 
(similar neck problems as well). I am running the Soma stem with some 
flipped Albas and loading on the front (Carradice Barley and Sackville 
trunksack mounted to a Mark's rack) and it handles perfectly fine. 
Definitely reminds me of my old 2nd generation Rambouillet as far as ride 
quality is concerned. But being designed for 650b tires and allowing for 
wider rubber certainly make it a nicer ride. Running Soma new express and 
they soak up the Texas chip seal no problem. The newer fork is beautiful 
too with a very elegant bend. I can't believe this frame wasn't more of a 
top seller for Soma (and Riv). If you can score one from Riv (maybe hidden 
in the depths of Riv's stockroom) or a shop (American Cyclery?), by all 
means do it.

Sean
ATX


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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Joe Bernard]

I dig your SM, Reed. There was a guy at the RBW Book Talk Ride who had a blue 
Appaloosa with an IGH hub (can't remember what bars). It was gorgeous! 

Speaking of such matters, it's too bad Riv isn't continuing the light blue on 
those Joes. It looks WAY better live in color than it does on the internets. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Chris Birkenmaier]

THanks Reed!  I really do like my bike and yours is set up very cool.  I 
approve!  I had a 1974 Raleigh super course redone with urban bars and a 3 
speed. Tons of fun to ride

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Eric Karnes]

Sounds like the San Marcos might be a good choice for you. One thing that's 
nice about all Rivendells is how versatile they are...even the 
'road-specific' models. I have a Roadeo and with Jack Browns or 35mm knobby 
cross tires, it handles non-singletrack dirt and gravel trails great. 

Eric

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Evan Baird]

There are a few frames left, except no 51cm

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Hi.  I am 5'8" with a pbh of 77.8 so I am right there with you on that.  I 
have a 51 and I feel it is a good fit for me.  Although there isn't a lot 
of clearance I only ride it on the paved road and I've had no problems with 
the higher top tube.  And I'm quite sure I now own the bike that was being 
referred to.  I bought it off Craig's List but it was a new-old-stock frame 
built up by Bicycle Odyssey in Sausalito.  (Nice guys there by the way).  I 
had an albatross handlebar put on instead of the drops.  I really like the 
ride of the San Marcos and would highly recommend the bike.  It does "ride 
big" or perhaps I should say I feel like I am on a large bike when I ride 
it but not in a negative way at all.

To address your other point about availability, I also heard on the 
internet that they would stop producing the San Marcos so I set out to find 
a bike/frame before they all sold out.  There were newer frames with the 
Tiburon blue color but I preferred the Pearl blue of the previous edition.  
As mentioned, I lucked out at finding the CL bike and at a reasonable price 
from the shop.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.
Chris

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 3:43:06 PM UTC-4, Rob H. wrote:

> I've got a "700c" 54 SM (first generation) and like it a lot. It's a 
> little bit odd because I bought it used off CL from some guy and it 
> actually has the shorter fork (650b for the 51cm SM) on it. So my solution, 
> ultimately, after getting tired of only being able to run super narrow 
> tires on it so it would rub up against the underside of the fork and front 
> brakes, was to put a 650b wheel up front. Now i've got 35mm wide tires on 
> it and looks like room for fenders still. 
>
> Also don't know if you're in the SF Bay Area but there was someone trying 
> to sell a built up 51cm SM on CL. I think they were in the South Bay 
> possibly a bike shop. At any rate, the listing expired (not deleted) so it 
> might pop up again and if you've got the cajones you could go give it a 
> test ride / kick the tires so to speak.
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:00:22 AM UTC-7, PineTarSoap wrote:
>>
>> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
>> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
>> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
>> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
>> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
>> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>>
>> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
>> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
>> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
>> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
>> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
>> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page 
>> is the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
>> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however 
>> the 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd 
>> to me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Reed Kennedy]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Rob H.  wrote:

> 
> Also don't know if you're in the SF Bay Area but there was someone trying
> to sell a built up 51cm SM on CL. I think they were in the South Bay
> possibly a bike shop. At any rate, the listing expired (not deleted) so it
> might pop up again and if you've got the cajones you could go give it a
> test ride / kick the tires so to speak.
>

It was A Bicycle Odyssey up in Sausalito. No idea if they still have it,
but it's probably worth a phone call!

I remember the build looking pretty solid.


Best,
Reed


> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:00:22 AM UTC-7, PineTarSoap wrote:
>>
>> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this
>> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a
>> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires
>> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like
>> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I
>> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>>
>> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I
>> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a
>> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well
>> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a
>> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
>> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page
>> is the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
>> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however
>> the 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd
>> to me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Rob H.]

I've got a "700c" 54 SM (first generation) and like it a lot. It's a little 
bit odd because I bought it used off CL from some guy and it actually has 
the shorter fork (650b for the 51cm SM) on it. So my solution, ultimately, 
after getting tired of only being able to run super narrow tires on it so 
it would rub up against the underside of the fork and front brakes, was to 
put a 650b wheel up front. Now i've got 35mm wide tires on it and looks 
like room for fenders still. 

Also don't know if you're in the SF Bay Area but there was someone trying 
to sell a built up 51cm SM on CL. I think they were in the South Bay 
possibly a bike shop. At any rate, the listing expired (not deleted) so it 
might pop up again and if you've got the cajones you could go give it a 
test ride / kick the tires so to speak.


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:00:22 AM UTC-7, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Scott McLain]

I think the San Marcos is going to be a great bike for you.  I also believe 
it takes a quill stem which if you go with the Tallux will let you put the 
bars nice so you can keep your drop bars if you like.

Scott

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-6, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Philip Kim]

For reference, I'm 5'6", 78cm PBH, and 150lb.

I don't think Rivendell carries it anymore. I ordered my frame through a 
Soma dealer, make sure you ask for the nice bend fork, instead of the 
banana fork if those things matter to you.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Philip Kim]

for reference my PBH is 78cm, I'm 5'6", and abuot 145-150lb.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:24:45 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've rode/owned all those bikes you've mentioned at one time or another. 
> IMO, the San Marcos is just the ticket. It handles the same as the Sam, but 
> made of heat treated, and lighter tubing. So it's just as stable, but a 
> more "spirited" ride. Still can carry a good load (I've hauled about 15lb 
> on a basket up front no problems), and has brazeons for a rear rack. At the 
> end of the day though, the San Marcos is more of a road bike, and I think 
> it would be perfect for your commute. I used it commute from DC to VA and 
> it's mostly uphill for about a mile into Virginia. Climbs better than the 
> Sam Hillborne and Cheviot, IMO.
>
> I have the same PBH and the 51cm is perfect size. Don't size down, if 
> you're using it for road use, no need for too much standover. The sloping 
> top tube will get your handlebars up nice and high. The 47cm will be too 
> small, and the reach to the handlebars will be a bit cramped because of the 
> slacker headtube angle and sloping top tube. The way the top tube and 
> angles all work, it can easily be changed from drop to upright cockpit. 
> I've found 70-80mm stem with drops are nice, and 110mm with Albatross 
> handlebars work well for me.  If you're planning on using Albatross bars, 
> definitely don't size down.
>
> Mine is outfitted with Hetres, which are a dream to ride. Though for more 
> pure pavement use, the Compass 650bx38's feel a bit faster (i'm sure it's 
> just in my head as commute times were the same), and will work better under 
> fenders.
>
> I used to have a Sam, sold it for a Chev out of curiosity. Eventually sold 
> it for a San Marcos because I put an order in for a Hunqapillar and seemed 
> like too much overlap. Hunqapillar is now my only bike, but gave the Soma 
> to my girlfriend, so it's easily accessible for me to ride.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap wrote:
>>
>> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
>> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
>> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
>> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
>> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
>> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>>
>> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
>> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
>> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
>> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
>> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
>> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page 
>> is the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
>> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however 
>> the 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd 
>> to me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

[Philip Kim]

Hi,

I've rode/owned all those bikes you've mentioned at one time or another. 
IMO, the San Marcos is just the ticket. It handles the same as the Sam, but 
made of heat treated, and lighter tubing. So it's just as stable, but a 
more "spirited" ride. Still can carry a good load (I've hauled about 15lb 
on a basket up front no problems), and has brazeons for a rear rack. At the 
end of the day though, the San Marcos is more of a road bike, and I think 
it would be perfect for your commute. I used it commute from DC to VA and 
it's mostly uphill for about a mile into Virginia. Climbs better than the 
Sam Hillborne and Cheviot, IMO.

I have the same PBH and the 51cm is perfect size. Don't size down, if 
you're using it for road use, no need for too much standover. The sloping 
top tube will get your handlebars up nice and high. The 47cm will be too 
small, and the reach to the handlebars will be a bit cramped because of the 
slacker headtube angle and sloping top tube. The way the top tube and 
angles all work, it can easily be changed from drop to upright cockpit. 
I've found 70-80mm stem with drops are nice, and 110mm with Albatross 
handlebars work well for me.  If you're planning on using Albatross bars, 
definitely don't size down.

Mine is outfitted with Hetres, which are a dream to ride. Though for more 
pure pavement use, the Compass 650bx38's feel a bit faster (i'm sure it's 
just in my head as commute times were the same), and will work better under 
fenders.

I used to have a Sam, sold it for a Chev out of curiosity. Eventually sold 
it for a San Marcos because I put an order in for a Hunqapillar and seemed 
like too much overlap. Hunqapillar is now my only bike, but gave the Soma 
to my girlfriend, so it's easily accessible for me to ride.

Hope that helps.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap wrote:
>
> I would like to get my first Riv bike. I mainly plan to commute with this 
> bike (17 mi roundtrip, hills) and do the occasional road ride. I have a 
> neck pain issue and I am hoping a more upright position and fatter tires 
> will help. I have a nice carbon road bike for fast rides, but I would like 
> to mix in a bike with a different position to take stress off my neck. I 
> don't plan right now on doing any off-road riding or touring.
>
> I have tested ridden the Hunq, Cheviot, and Sam. They were all fun, but I 
> thought the Sam probably seemed the most appropriate. But I didn't get a 
> chance to ride a Soma SM. The Riv description is that is like a more well 
> rounded Rodeo, which seems to fit what I would use it for. I suppose a 
> Rodeo would as well but at more cost.
>
> Questions:
> 1) Does the Soma sound like the right choice for me?
> 2) Do they still sell this frame? If you google search it, the Riv page is 
> the first listed, but you can't find it on their frames page.
> 3) My PBH is 78 (just) and so I guess I am in the 51 cm range, however the 
> 51 cm Sam didn't leave much crotch room. Would a 47 cm work? Seems odd to 
> me that the size down from 51 is a big jump to 47.
>

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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Evan Baird]

Soma's website is completely worthless. If you have questions about Soma 
bikes just call a Soma dealer. They just forward all the technical 
questions to me anyway.

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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Evan Baird]

That's at least as much clearance as a Bleriot.


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Re: [RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Garth]

   Likely Soma's specs are referring to *with *fenders , so that would 
account for the 42mm tires *without *fenders on the bike in the image. 

As always, a phone call should clear that up.  



On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:21:41 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2015 11:00 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Thanks gonna call them. Hopefully the smaller 650bs can fit 42s with 
>> fenders.
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't expect so.  Their web site says:
>>
>> *CHANGES for 2015:* The 47 thru 57cm (57cm is a new addition) are 
>> designed for 650b wheels and 55-75mm reach road brakes. *Max. tire fit: 
>> 38mm*
>>
>>
> And yet, the above picture shows a 2015 San Marcos fitting 650 x 42 
> Cazaderos... 
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Re: [RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Justin August]

I also imagine that there is some lawyer-language regarding "safe" minimum 
clearances with fenders, etc. In the same way that apparently a Mark's Rack 
can only carry like a peanut and some feathers, this could be a 
conservative estimate to appease the legal department.

-J

On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:26:16 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>Likely Soma's specs are referring to *with *fenders , so that would 
> account for the 42mm tires *without *fenders on the bike in the image. 
>
> As always, a phone call should clear that up.  
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:21:41 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Steve Palincsar  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/16/2015 11:00 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks gonna call them. Hopefully the smaller 650bs can fit 42s with 
>>> fenders.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect so.  Their web site says:
>>>
>>> *CHANGES for 2015:* The 47 thru 57cm (57cm is a new addition) are 
>>> designed for 650b wheels and 55-75mm reach road brakes. *Max. tire fit: 
>>> 38mm*
>>>
>>>
>> And yet, the above picture shows a 2015 San Marcos fitting 650 x 42 
>> Cazaderos... 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Philip Kim]

Just gave them a call and said 42s would probably be too tight a fit. After 
looking at other pictures of the cazadero, I also think fenders and 42s 
probably wouldn't work. I think I'll just save my money for now.

On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 2:49:39 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
>
> I also imagine that there is some lawyer-language regarding "safe" minimum 
> clearances with fenders, etc. In the same way that apparently a Mark's Rack 
> can only carry like a peanut and some feathers, this could be a 
> conservative estimate to appease the legal department.
>
> -J
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:26:16 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>Likely Soma's specs are referring to *with *fenders , so that would 
>> account for the 42mm tires *without *fenders on the bike in the image. 
>>
>> As always, a phone call should clear that up.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 11:21:41 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Steve Palincsar  
>>> wrote:
>>>


 On 10/16/2015 11:00 AM, Philip Kim wrote:

 Thanks gonna call them. Hopefully the smaller 650bs can fit 42s with 
 fenders.


 I wouldn't expect so.  Their web site says:

 *CHANGES for 2015:* The 47 thru 57cm (57cm is a new addition) are 
 designed for 650b wheels and 55-75mm reach road brakes. *Max. tire 
 fit: 38mm*


>>> And yet, the above picture shows a 2015 San Marcos fitting 650 x 42 
>>> Cazaderos... 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/16/2015 11:00 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
Thanks gonna call them. Hopefully the smaller 650bs can fit 42s with 
fenders.


I wouldn't expect so.  Their web site says:

   *CHANGES for 2015:* The 47 thru 57cm (57cm is a new addition) are
   designed for 650b wheels and 55-75mm reach road brakes. */Max. tire
   fit: 38mm/*

   The 59cm and 63cm are designed for 700c wheels and 55-75mm reach
   road brakes. */Max. tire fit: 35mm/*

   The 59 and 63cm have that Rivendell double top tube to restore the
   triangulation lost with the tall top tube.


[emphasis mine]

-- http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/san-marcos-frame-set


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Re: [RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Tim Gavin]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 10/16/2015 11:00 AM, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Thanks gonna call them. Hopefully the smaller 650bs can fit 42s with
> fenders.
>
>
> I wouldn't expect so.  Their web site says:
>
> *CHANGES for 2015:* The 47 thru 57cm (57cm is a new addition) are
> designed for 650b wheels and 55-75mm reach road brakes. *Max. tire fit:
> 38mm*
>
>
And yet, the above picture shows a 2015 San Marcos fitting 650 x 42
Cazaderos...

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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Philip Kim]

Thanks gonna call them. Hopefully the smaller 650bs can fit 42s with 
fenders.

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 4:39:29 PM UTC-4, Evan Baird wrote:
>
> In case you were wondering, here's pictures of a San Marcos that is for 
> sale at AC in SF.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/americancycleryofficial/21988952090/in/dateposted/
>
> 
>
> I think it's pretty neat, but I guess to the rest of the world it's too 
> heavy/too expensive/too much trail/too stiff/doesn't have paul racer 
> mounts/chainstays too long/doesn't have thru axles/doesn't take press fit 
> bearings ect. Anyway, if you want one you probably better jump on it, cause 
> they really don't sell well enough to justify their existence. Anyway, 
> Public bikes come with matching fenders, so that's a neat feature.
>

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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Evan Baird]

In case you were wondering, here's pictures of a San Marcos that is for 
sale at AC in SF.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/americancycleryofficial/21988952090/in/dateposted/



I think it's pretty neat, but I guess to the rest of the world it's too 
heavy/too expensive/too much trail/too stiff/doesn't have paul racer 
mounts/chainstays too long/doesn't have thru axles/doesn't take press fit 
bearings ect. Anyway, if you want one you probably better jump on it, cause 
they really don't sell well enough to justify their existence. Anyway, 
Public bikes come with matching fenders, so that's a neat feature.

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[RBW] Re: soma san marcos?

[Brewster Fong]

On Monday, September 28, 2015 at 1:59:43 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I believe it's still available from SOMA, plus there always seems to be a 
> few on Ebay. I suspect the Ebay underpricing situation is why Riv stopped 
> selling it..Grant mentioned it about a year ago on the Blug.

 
Interestingly, Soma's website show a sale on the pearl blue 59/63cm SM 
framesets at about $850 (while supply lasts):
 
 http://store.somafab.com/sosanmadotof.html
 
But if you don't mind the tiburon blue color, its available in all sizes at 
the regular $930 price:
 
http://store.somafab.com/sosanmafr20.html
 
Soma's website explains the changes for 2015:
 
*CHANGES for 2015:* The 47 thru 57cm (57cm is a new addition) are designed 
for 650b wheels and 55-75mm reach road brakes. Max. tire fit: 38mm
The 59cm and 63cm are designed for 700c wheels and 55-75mm reach road 
brakes. Max. tire fit: 35mm
The 59 and 63cm have that Rivendell double top tube to restore the 
triangulation lost with the tall top tube.
 
Good Luck! 

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Rod Holland]

+1 for the tires. Assuming you're starting with a 700C LHT, either the 
Compass 38mm or 32mm tires will transform the ride. Don't be afraid of the 
Extralight version.

rod

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 7:51:50 PM UTC-4, Tony McG wrote:

 I don't have much experience with the Sam, but my San Marcos is a much 
 nicer ride than my LHT.  You may want to try different tires before you buy 
 another frame.

 BTW, your LHT brakes won't fit on the San Marcos or the newer Sams.

 On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:40:58 PM UTC-5, Mike Troxell wrote:

 I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want 
 something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with 
 but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or 
 Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's 
 components to one of them?



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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Surlyprof]

Agreed on the Compass Extralights.  I keep wondering if I should have 
bought the 32mm Stampede Pass instead of the 38mm Barlow Pass for a 
lighter, faster ride... until I ride them.  So smooth and fast and the 
extra air provides some extra confidence against flats.  So far, so good.

John

On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 5:06:12 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:

 +1 for the tires. Assuming you're starting with a 700C LHT, either the 
 Compass 38mm or 32mm tires will transform the ride. Don't be afraid of the 
 Extralight version.

 rod

 On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 7:51:50 PM UTC-4, Tony McG wrote:

 I don't have much experience with the Sam, but my San Marcos is a much 
 nicer ride than my LHT.  You may want to try different tires before you buy 
 another frame.

 BTW, your LHT brakes won't fit on the San Marcos or the newer Sams.

 On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:40:58 PM UTC-5, Mike Troxell wrote:

 I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want 
 something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with 
 but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or 
 Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's 
 components to one of them?



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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Doug Williams]

I notice that the San Marcos is no longer on the Riv website. I wonder if 
this is intentional or just a web glitch? Still available from Soma, of 
course.

Doug

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 9:16:22 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:

 If the LHT's wheelset and parts doesn't get you to the club ride feel you 
 are looking for, have you thought of building up a lightweight San Marcos 
 and just keeping the LHT beefy for your touring desires?  N+1 is always 
 nice if you have the space!

 John

 On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:40:58 PM UTC-7, Mike Troxell wrote:

 I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want 
 something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with 
 but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or 
 Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's 
 components to one of them?



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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Surlyprof]

If the LHT's wheelset and parts doesn't get you to the club ride feel you 
are looking for, have you thought of building up a lightweight San Marcos 
and just keeping the LHT beefy for your touring desires?  N+1 is always 
nice if you have the space!

John

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 4:40:58 PM UTC-7, Mike Troxell wrote:

 I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want 
 something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with 
 but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or 
 Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's 
 components to one of them?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Tim Gavin]

If you're a smaller person, the San Marcos can be a decent tourer.  If
you're above 160 lbs or so, then I wouldn't recommend it for substantial
loads.

My girlfriend uses hers (51 cm 650b San Marcos 1st gen) as a tourer with
front and rear racks.  The front rack (Campee Classic 20F) needed clamps to
fit; I used Tubus fork and stay clamps.  It's very secure, and since the
lowrider frames keep the weight so low, it's also very stable.

If you're looking for a more lively bike, the San Marcos would definitely
fit the bill. You could re-use the LHT's wheels if they're the same
diameter (559, 622 LHT vs 584, 622 SM), but I'd keep an eye out for a
lighter pair of wheels.  You could definitely re-use the bars and
drivetrain from the LHT.

The Sam Hillborne is stouter than the San Marcos, but probably not quite as
stout as the LHT.  The Sam is a great one ring to rule them all bike, but
of course Tollkein's Sam Gamgee would rather garden than rule.

Regarding supple tires:  put them on every bike, if you can handle the
occasional flat.  The ride is supreme with lightweight tires.  I have bad
luck with flats in town, so I just fit my Riv with Pari-Motos set up
tubeless on PL23 rims.  These wheels are crazy fast, and mostly puncture
proof.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:11 PM, drew drewbeckme...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think if a sam is an option, get the sam. It's such a fun and versatile
 bike. I cant imagine anyone regretting getting a sam.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Evan Baird]

Depending on what size you need the SM is really 2 different bikes. The 650b 
(47-57cm) is more of a nimble sport touring bike, while the 700c version is 
quite a bit beefier and made to take more weight. Basically a Sam with shorter 
reach brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Garth]

Myself, I'd prefer one bike to be really great at my favorite kind of 
riding .  Another bike for another, if there is an other favorite.  

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Agreed.  Try a lighter wheelset with lighter tires before springing for a 
new frame.  The LHT is a tank, but you'll gain more first by thinning down 
the components.  After that you can go for a lighter frame for additional 
gains.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 7:40:58 PM UTC-4, Mike Troxell wrote:

 I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want 
 something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with 
 but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or 
 Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's 
 components to one of them?


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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[Bruce Smitham]

I've owned all three (2 Sams and 2 LHT's) I wouldn't recommend the Soma San 
Marcos for any kind of touring. I tried it and it won't take any type of 
weight. The Sam Hillborne can take more weight (though not as much as the 
LHT) but it's more versatile and really fun to ride in different 
combinations. Lot's of fun.

Good luck, Bruce in San Diego

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:04:10 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:

 I agree with the lighter wheelset and would add supple tires such as a set 
 from Compass.  The Sam would probably be better for your camping/touring 
 desires and the San Marcos would probably be better for the club rides.  My 
 personal preference is the Sam because I would feel comfortable doing both 
 activities on a Sam.  Not as sure about touring on the San Marcos.  I 
 haven't ridden one yet (but I do like them).  I did go through this same 
 inquiry when I bought my Sam.  Once I bought a lighter wheelset with 
 extralight Compass tires (as a compliment to a touring/trail wheelset), 
 I've been very happy with the decision.  The Sam can be fast and lively 
 stripped down to go-fastish mode.  I like it much better than my old Cross 
 Check.

 John


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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

[drew]

I think if a sam is an option, get the sam. It's such a fun and versatile bike. 
I cant imagine anyone regretting getting a sam. 

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos or Sam Hillborne with Surly LHT parts

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't have much experience with the Sam, but my San Marcos is a much 
nicer ride than my LHT.  You may want to try different tires before you buy 
another frame.

BTW, your LHT brakes won't fit on the San Marcos or the newer Sams.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 6:40:58 PM UTC-5, Mike Troxell wrote:

 I have a Surly LHT that I am very happy with. The problem is that I want 
 something that I can do light tours and club/group rides (not racing) with 
 but that is a bit livelier than the LHT. How do you think a San Marcos or 
 Sam Hillborne would ride if I bought the frame and swapped the LHT's 
 components to one of them?


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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos -- xmas is coming early

[Tom Virgil]

Well done at an excellent price point.  GF should be pleased.

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:18:49 PM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:

 I just bought this Soma San Marcos for my girlfriend as a xmas present.  I 
 saw listmember Tony's San Marcos on RAGBRAI this year; they are a beautiful 
 pearly blue.  



 This one is a new frame built with refurbed decent components, all for the 
 price of the frame alone.

 http://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/4142655962.html

 Her riding is half commuting / half pleasure rides and light touring.  The 
 San Marcos will handle both of these duties better than her current bike, a 
 2006 Specialized Dolce.  

 The Specialized is a decent, light bike.  It's fast, but that's about all 
 it can do.  No capability for racks or fenders, 26mm tires max.  

 The San Marcos will get a Brooks, fenders, and a front rack and basket. 
 I'm thinking the VO Constructeur rack.  It has classic French styling, and 
 it's under $60.

 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA
  

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[LBleriot]

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 5:33:15 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: 

  I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of 
 the idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride 
 with others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting 
 anybody. I want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be 
 comfortable. Not just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that 
 being comfortable allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. 
 Plus, at 55 years old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to 
 be able to ride daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the 
 last ride.

  

 So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable, 
 randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 
 degree slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter 
 tubing (a little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? 
 I would put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the 
 same as a San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars 
 high enough on either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, 
 and I wonder how much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride.

  

 But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack 
 that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on 
 the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true 
 Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then, 
 the San Marcos is $1,300 less.

  

 Analysis paralysis, I know.

 
Hey Doug,
 
Not to complicate matters, but I had rear rack and DT shifter mounts brazed 
onto my Roadeo at minimal cost/complaints from GP.  I haven't used them 
since buying the San Marcos because in my mind, the SM is the better choice 
for a rear rack and medium bag.  I've kept the Roadeo slim for fast, 
pavement only rides.  
 
You should have no wories about all day comfort on the SM.  As long as the 
geometry fits (slack angles on my 54cm make for a long reach that in my 
case needed to be compensated with a zero offset seatpost and 1 cm shorter 
stem).  If you're not doing fast club rides (though it's no slug) and you 
occasionally ride off road or in the rain, I think the SM is your ticket.  
Good luck.

  


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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[Doug Williams]

 

I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of the 
idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride with 
others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting anybody. I 
want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be comfortable. Not 
just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that being comfortable 
allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. Plus, at 55 years 
old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to be able to ride 
daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the last ride.

 

So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable, 
randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 
degree slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter 
tubing (a little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? 
I would put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the 
same as a San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars 
high enough on either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, 
and I wonder how much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride.

 

But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack 
that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on 
the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true 
Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then, 
the San Marcos is $1,300 less.

 

Analysis paralysis, I know.
 

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[PeterG]

Doug, I know exactly what you mean. I too am looking for a road quick bike 
that i can put albatross bars on and be COMFORTABLE. Age creeps up on us 
and riding can become a burden if there is a long recovery. That doesn't 
make us want to not go faster...it just makes us hurt more if we do. I 
owned a Gunnar Sport that may have been perfect for that kind of riding. I 
never put anything other than drops on it but thinking back I probably 
should have... just to know. Good luck in your search 

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:33:15 PM UTC-7, Doug Williams wrote:

 I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of 
 the idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride 
 with others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting 
 anybody. I want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be 
 comfortable. Not just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that 
 being comfortable allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. 
 Plus, at 55 years old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to 
 be able to ride daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the 
 last ride.

  

 So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable, 
 randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 
 degree slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter 
 tubing (a little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? 
 I would put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the 
 same as a San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars 
 high enough on either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, 
 and I wonder how much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride.

  

 But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack 
 that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on 
 the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true 
 Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then, 
 the San Marcos is $1,300 less.

  

 Analysis paralysis, I know.
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm quite confident that you can get into the right position in terms
of saddle height bars etc. on both the San Marcos and the Roadeo.

I'm also pretty sure that a half a pound here or there is not going to
make you appreciably faster on a long solo ride.

I think the tires that you use will make much more of a difference
than the frame you get. Wide supple tires will make that long solo
ride less jarring for the bones and less drag on your speed.

For long solo rides, I don't think you need a rear rack. I think it's
more convenient to have a small front rack (Mark's rack) and easy
access to your jacket and some food etc. For extra storage, I use
larger saddlebags...

Good luck!
Toshi




On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote:
 I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of the
 idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride with
 others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting anybody. I
 want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be comfortable. Not
 just because I like comfort (I do) but I also think that being comfortable
 allows me to put in more effort, which makes me faster. Plus, at 55 years
 old, I don’t recover as quickly as I used to. I want to be able to ride
 daily. I don’t want to spend days “recovering” from the last ride.



 So which bike do you guys think would be better for long, comfortable,
 randonneuring type (but not racing) riding? The San Marcos with the 6 degree
 slope TT and very upright position? Or the Roadeo with the lighter tubing (a
 little over half a pound, I think) and more “race bike” geometry? I would
 put a threaded stem on the Roadeo and build it up pretty much the same as a
 San Marcos. So I expect that I should be able to get the bars high enough on
 either bike. But there are still differences in the bikes, and I wonder how
 much “real world” difference there would be on a long ride.



 But then I keep going back and forth. The San Marcos can take a back rack
 that could come in handy on longer rides. But then, I could clamp a rack on
 the Roadeo if I really had to. The Roadeo is a drop-dead gorgeous “true
 Rivendell” bike with a great paint job on higher quality steel. But then,
 the San Marcos is $1,300 less.



 Analysis paralysis, I know.



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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

[PeterG]

Niceeveryone who owns one seems to really enjoy the bike

On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:03:56 AM UTC-7, René wrote:

 http://www.bicycletimesmag.com/content/review-soma-fabrications-san-marcos




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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[RoadieRyan]

Beautiful build, I especially like the Tricolor accents.  I was fortunate 
to test ride a San Marcos at Riv before it was generally available.  I came 
back from that ride a big goofy grin on my face,   nuff said.

Ryan

On Friday, October 12, 2012 5:22:32 PM UTC-7, A CT Cyclist wrote:

 Thanks, there isn't any metallic in the paint but the color changes in 
 different light. I'm running 10 speed Tiagra brifters w/ a 105 rear 
 derailleur, IRD Alpina D front derailleur and a Velo Orange triple crank. I 
 had 9 speed Tiagra brifters on my Cannondale and they never gave me any 
 trouble. The newer Tiagra 10 speed brifters are very nice. 

 I forgot to mention how well this bike tracks. The front end doesn't feel 
 jittery like the Cannodale tended to. Someone mentioned that the Soma 
 probably has a more slack HT angle but their is only a degree of 
 difference. The chainstays are longer, and I recall reading that GP likes 
 longer chainstays because the bike descends better. Whatever the reason, I 
 am a more confident rider on this bike.

 I have more photos of the bike posted on Flicker 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/59741252@N07/

 On Friday, October 12, 2012 6:23:33 PM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:

 Congratulations and welcome from another STI user.  Nice bike and I know 
 that you're enjoying it.   The color looks a lot like my Bleriot, but 
 lighter.  Is it also a bit metallic?  I run 8-speed 105 on my bike, with 
 Sugino Alpina double crank.  How about you?  Cheers, Steve


 On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:17:06 PM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:

 About 3 weeks ago my 51cm Soma San Marcos build was completed.  Since 
 then I have been riding the San Marcos exclusively for about 325 miles and 
 I am thoroughly enjoying the versatility, fit and comfort. I am really 
 quite smitten and love everything about this bike, the geometry, 32mm 
 tires,650b wheels, and all the components that I selected. Robins egg blue 
 and shiny silver, ready for to go anytime, anywhere.


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ih56PFVTzlk/UHdtxjmz1fI/AWI/A0Q1CbQLNwE/s1600/Soma+San+Marcos+015.JPG

 I got back into riding on regular basis about 3 years ago, purchasing a 
 carbon fiber Cannondale Synapse with drop bars. I hadn't ridden a bicycle 
 with drop bars since I was a teenager. Previous to the Cannondale I had 
 been riding hybrids, mountain bikes and a Rans Crankfoward.  I chose the 
 Synapse because it was the most comfortable of all the drop bar bikes that 
 I tried and I tried the usual bike shop brands, Trek, Speacialized, 
 Bianchi, etc. The shop where I bought the bike fitted me to the bike using 
 a the fit systems, I don't remember which one and all and all they did a 
 pretty good job. My only complaint, is the length at which they cut the 
 steerer tube without consulting me. Consequently I had to have a stem 
 extender installed. I have spent the past 3 years riding and learning what 
 kind of a cyclist I am. I have gone full circle from riding without foot 
 retention to riding clipless and back to platform pedals. 




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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[redsydude]

Why are the rear dropouts a joke?  What's wrong with them?  I thought the 
San Marcos lugs and dropouts were from rivendell, the same as they use on 
their other bikes.  
On Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:26:20 AM UTC-7, Tony Lockhart wrote: 

 Yup, the San Marcos has a bit of a metallic sheen to it under the right 
 light. In looking at online photos, I was under the impression that it 
 would be light, almost powder bluebut in person, it's very turquoise 
 metallic. Looks great!

 I also recently acquired a San Marcos and have been very pleased with it. 
 It's a great bike, and a bit sportier than my Sam. The only gripes I have 
 about it are the dropouts. The ones in the back are a joke and the ones up 
 front have lawyer tabsbut I ground those off after 2 days of ownership. 
 All things considered, GP designed a great bike.

 On Friday, October 12, 2012 3:23:33 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote: 

 Congratulations and welcome from another STI user.  Nice bike and I know 
 that you're enjoying it.   The color looks a lot like my Bleriot, but 
 lighter.  Is it also a bit metallic?  I run 8-speed 105 on my bike, with 
 Sugino Alpina double crank.  How about you?  Cheers, Steve 


 On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:17:06 PM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote: 

 About 3 weeks ago my 51cm Soma San Marcos build was completed.  Since 
 then I have been riding the San Marcos exclusively for about 325 miles and 
 I am thoroughly enjoying the versatility, fit and comfort. I am really 
 quite smitten and love everything about this bike, the geometry, 32mm 
 tires,650b wheels, and all the components that I selected. Robins egg blue 
 and shiny silver, ready for to go anytime, anywhere. 

 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ih56PFVTzlk/UHdtxjmz1fI/AWI/A0Q1CbQLNwE/s1600/Soma+San+Marcos+015.JPG

 I got back into riding on regular basis about 3 years ago, purchasing a 
 carbon fiber Cannondale Synapse with drop bars. I hadn't ridden a bicycle 
 with drop bars since I was a teenager. Previous to the Cannondale I had 
 been riding hybrids, mountain bikes and a Rans Crankfoward.  I chose the 
 Synapse because it was the most comfortable of all the drop bar bikes that 
 I tried and I tried the usual bike shop brands, Trek, Speacialized, 
 Bianchi, etc. The shop where I bought the bike fitted me to the bike using 
 a the fit systems, I don't remember which one and all and all they did a 
 pretty good job. My only complaint, is the length at which they cut the 
 steerer tube without consulting me. Consequently I had to have a stem 
 extender installed. I have spent the past 3 years riding and learning what 
 kind of a cyclist I am. I have gone full circle from riding without foot 
 retention to riding clipless and back to platform pedals. 




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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Jimmy Hutch]

I swear i couldnt find the shifters, my process was 1) bar ends...nope; 2) 
downtubes...nope; 3) stem...nope; single speed...nope; 4) thumbies...nope; 5) 
STI...Yep, I've been living in this Riv well for so long I simply wasn't 
expecting them.

The bike looks awesome-enjoy!
-Jimmy

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[A CT Cyclist]

Thanks, there isn't any metallic in the paint but the color changes in 
different light. I'm running 10 speed Tiagra brifters w/ a 105 rear 
derailleur, IRD Alpina D front derailleur and a Velo Orange triple crank. I 
had 9 speed Tiagra brifters on my Cannondale and they never gave me any 
trouble. The newer Tiagra 10 speed brifters are very nice. 

I forgot to mention how well this bike tracks. The front end doesn't feel 
jittery like the Cannodale tended to. Someone mentioned that the Soma 
probably has a more slack HT angle but their is only a degree of 
difference. The chainstays are longer, and I recall reading that GP likes 
longer chainstays because the bike descends better. Whatever the reason, I 
am a more confident rider on this bike.

I have more photos of the bike posted on Flicker 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59741252@N07/

On Friday, October 12, 2012 6:23:33 PM UTC-4, islaysteve wrote:

 Congratulations and welcome from another STI user.  Nice bike and I know 
 that you're enjoying it.   The color looks a lot like my Bleriot, but 
 lighter.  Is it also a bit metallic?  I run 8-speed 105 on my bike, with 
 Sugino Alpina double crank.  How about you?  Cheers, Steve


 On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:17:06 PM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:

 About 3 weeks ago my 51cm Soma San Marcos build was completed.  Since 
 then I have been riding the San Marcos exclusively for about 325 miles and 
 I am thoroughly enjoying the versatility, fit and comfort. I am really 
 quite smitten and love everything about this bike, the geometry, 32mm 
 tires,650b wheels, and all the components that I selected. Robins egg blue 
 and shiny silver, ready for to go anytime, anywhere.


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ih56PFVTzlk/UHdtxjmz1fI/AWI/A0Q1CbQLNwE/s1600/Soma+San+Marcos+015.JPG

 I got back into riding on regular basis about 3 years ago, purchasing a 
 carbon fiber Cannondale Synapse with drop bars. I hadn't ridden a bicycle 
 with drop bars since I was a teenager. Previous to the Cannondale I had 
 been riding hybrids, mountain bikes and a Rans Crankfoward.  I chose the 
 Synapse because it was the most comfortable of all the drop bar bikes that 
 I tried and I tried the usual bike shop brands, Trek, Speacialized, 
 Bianchi, etc. The shop where I bought the bike fitted me to the bike using 
 a the fit systems, I don't remember which one and all and all they did a 
 pretty good job. My only complaint, is the length at which they cut the 
 steerer tube without consulting me. Consequently I had to have a stem 
 extender installed. I have spent the past 3 years riding and learning what 
 kind of a cyclist I am. I have gone full circle from riding without foot 
 retention to riding clipless and back to platform pedals. 




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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Tony Lockhart]

Yup, the San Marcos has a bit of a metallic sheen to it under the right 
light. In looking at online photos, I was under the impression that it 
would be light, almost powder bluebut in person, it's very turquoise 
metallic. Looks great!

I also recently acquired a San Marcos and have been very pleased with it. 
It's a great bike, and a bit sportier than my Sam. The only gripes I have 
about it are the dropouts. The ones in the back are a joke and the ones up 
front have lawyer tabsbut I ground those off after 2 days of ownership. 
All things considered, GP designed a great bike.

On Friday, October 12, 2012 3:23:33 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:

 Congratulations and welcome from another STI user.  Nice bike and I know 
 that you're enjoying it.   The color looks a lot like my Bleriot, but 
 lighter.  Is it also a bit metallic?  I run 8-speed 105 on my bike, with 
 Sugino Alpina double crank.  How about you?  Cheers, Steve


 On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:17:06 PM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:

 About 3 weeks ago my 51cm Soma San Marcos build was completed.  Since 
 then I have been riding the San Marcos exclusively for about 325 miles and 
 I am thoroughly enjoying the versatility, fit and comfort. I am really 
 quite smitten and love everything about this bike, the geometry, 32mm 
 tires,650b wheels, and all the components that I selected. Robins egg blue 
 and shiny silver, ready for to go anytime, anywhere.


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ih56PFVTzlk/UHdtxjmz1fI/AWI/A0Q1CbQLNwE/s1600/Soma+San+Marcos+015.JPG

 I got back into riding on regular basis about 3 years ago, purchasing a 
 carbon fiber Cannondale Synapse with drop bars. I hadn't ridden a bicycle 
 with drop bars since I was a teenager. Previous to the Cannondale I had 
 been riding hybrids, mountain bikes and a Rans Crankfoward.  I chose the 
 Synapse because it was the most comfortable of all the drop bar bikes that 
 I tried and I tried the usual bike shop brands, Trek, Speacialized, 
 Bianchi, etc. The shop where I bought the bike fitted me to the bike using 
 a the fit systems, I don't remember which one and all and all they did a 
 pretty good job. My only complaint, is the length at which they cut the 
 steerer tube without consulting me. Consequently I had to have a stem 
 extender installed. I have spent the past 3 years riding and learning what 
 kind of a cyclist I am. I have gone full circle from riding without foot 
 retention to riding clipless and back to platform pedals. 




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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[lungimsam]

 Nice bike!!
 I almost got one myself a few months back, but was concerned I would fall 
 between sizes, as they are spread out a little.
 And not being able to test ride one...
  

Glad you are enjoying it.  Nice lugs on the Marcos. Looks beautiful! 

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[islaysteve]

Congratulations and welcome from another STI user.  Nice bike and I know 
that you're enjoying it.   The color looks a lot like my Bleriot, but 
lighter.  Is it also a bit metallic?  I run 8-speed 105 on my bike, with 
Sugino Alpina double crank.  How about you?  Cheers, Steve


On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:17:06 PM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:

 About 3 weeks ago my 51cm Soma San Marcos build was completed.  Since then 
 I have been riding the San Marcos exclusively for about 325 miles and I am 
 thoroughly enjoying the versatility, fit and comfort. I am really quite 
 smitten and love everything about this bike, the geometry, 32mm tires,650b 
 wheels, and all the components that I selected. Robins egg blue and shiny 
 silver, ready for to go anytime, anywhere.


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ih56PFVTzlk/UHdtxjmz1fI/AWI/A0Q1CbQLNwE/s1600/Soma+San+Marcos+015.JPG

 I got back into riding on regular basis about 3 years ago, purchasing a 
 carbon fiber Cannondale Synapse with drop bars. I hadn't ridden a bicycle 
 with drop bars since I was a teenager. Previous to the Cannondale I had 
 been riding hybrids, mountain bikes and a Rans Crankfoward.  I chose the 
 Synapse because it was the most comfortable of all the drop bar bikes that 
 I tried and I tried the usual bike shop brands, Trek, Speacialized, 
 Bianchi, etc. The shop where I bought the bike fitted me to the bike using 
 a the fit systems, I don't remember which one and all and all they did a 
 pretty good job. My only complaint, is the length at which they cut the 
 steerer tube without consulting me. Consequently I had to have a stem 
 extender installed. I have spent the past 3 years riding and learning what 
 kind of a cyclist I am. I have gone full circle from riding without foot 
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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos - New Build

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I just ordered a San Marcos in 54cm. I'll probably build it up 
semi-Riv'ish, but with my own somewhat more contemporary touch of style. If 
it doesn't sell right away, it'll be here for inspection and testing for 
Grant's book signing on May 31.

On Sunday, April 15, 2012 5:08:47 PM UTC-5, Vespa wrote:

 The frame has arrived (63) and is at the shop being built up with some 
 10 Speed Campy Veloce, and Zonda wheel set coming off another bike 
 that is getting Campy 11 drivetrain. 

 Won't be terribly retro but should be fun.  Being built as a all- 
 rounder out and about with the spouse bike - but secretly am saving it 
 for a light tourer for a future Hwy 101 thing. 

 Will post pics when all built - must say the paint was beautiful and 
 very light for such a big frame with two top tubes

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Mark Fredrickson]

 It looked like they nailed the brake
 reach--pads at the bottom of the slots.

Slightly OT: why is this a good thing? I've heard this claim a few
times. I can't think of reason why bottom of the slot would be better
(or worse) than anywhere else in the slot.

Thanks for educating me,
-Mark

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[CycloFiend]

on 11/18/11 1:26 PM, Mark Fredrickson at mark.m.fredrick...@gmail.com wrote:

 It looked like they nailed the brake
 reach--pads at the bottom of the slots.
 
 Slightly OT: why is this a good thing? I've heard this claim a few
 times. I can't think of reason why bottom of the slot would be better
 (or worse) than anywhere else in the slot.

Simplest reason is that it provides maximum clearance for fenders and larger
profile tires.   I think GP has been quoted as mentioning that mid slot is
fine with long reach brakes, while bottom of the slot is prefered for
standard/short reach brakes.

- J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2011-11-18 at 13:26 -0800, Mark Fredrickson wrote:
  It looked like they nailed the brake
  reach--pads at the bottom of the slots.
 
 Slightly OT: why is this a good thing? I've heard this claim a few
 times. I can't think of reason why bottom of the slot would be better
 (or worse) than anywhere else in the slot.
 
 Thanks for educating me,

Because it maximizes the size of tire the bike will accommodate.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[Joe Broach]

I saw my first San Marcos in the wild here in Portland today.
Looked to be a 63cm nicely set up with the Soma porteur rack, wood
fenders, and porteur-ish bars.  It looked like they nailed the brake
reach--pads at the bottom of the slots.  The metallic light blue is
very close if not identical to the old Romulus blue.  I think the lugs
are actually a little fancier than the Romulus lugs.  I look forward
to seeing more of these.  Even without the 2TTs, it would have stood
out at the racks--a very distinctive bike.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:13 PM, DustyMerkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am curious why there is no post about this frame.  I actually think it's a
 lot nicer then my Rambo, it is a well thought out bike.  From what I can
 tell other then the seat, all the lugs are Riv's; even the bottom bracket
 lug has the rivendell stamp on it.  The price was hard to beat!

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos

[DustyMerkin]

I am curious why there is no post about this frame.  I actually think it's 
a lot nicer then my Rambo, it is a well thought out bike.  From what I can 
tell other then the seat, all the lugs are Riv's; even the bottom bracket 
lug has the rivendell stamp on it.  The price was hard to beat!

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[RoadieRyan]

Very Cool I have been hoping for an update for months -thanks for the
post.  It appears to have a 1 inch head tube with quill stem is that
the case...?

On Dec 11, 4:04 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 pretty sure i rode this one first today:

 https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf

 On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:

  did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
  if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
  feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
  style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
  lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
  off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
  random reactions.

  looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
  STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
  have me do the negative on 2 tops.

  On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:

   I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?

   Rob in Seattle

   On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:

i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne
green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw
today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[eflayer]

yes, both of the protos i rode had one inch threaded forks with nitto
quills.

On Dec 12, 8:39 am, RoadieRyan ryansub...@gmail.com wrote:
 Very Cool I have been hoping for an update for months -thanks for the
 post.  It appears to have a 1 inch head tube with quill stem is that
 the case...?

 On Dec 11, 4:04 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:



  pretty sure i rode this one first today:

 https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf

  On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:

   did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
   if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
   feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
   style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
   lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
   off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
   random reactions.

   looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
   STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
   have me do the negative on 2 tops.

   On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:

I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?

Rob in Seattle

On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:

 i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
 prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
 sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne
 green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw
 today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
 smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
 choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
 block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
 25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[William]

I don't recall, is the San Marcos going to have a 130mm, 132.5mm or
135mm back end spacing?

On Dec 12, 9:30 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 yes, both of the protos i rode had one inch threaded forks with nitto
 quills.

 On Dec 12, 8:39 am, RoadieRyan ryansub...@gmail.com wrote:

  Very Cool I have been hoping for an update for months -thanks for the
  post.  It appears to have a 1 inch head tube with quill stem is that
  the case...?

  On Dec 11, 4:04 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:

   pretty sure i rode this one first today:

  https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf

   On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:

did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
random reactions.

looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
have me do the negative on 2 tops.

On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?

 Rob in Seattle

 On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:

  i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
  prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
  sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne
  green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i 
  saw
  today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
  smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
  choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
  block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
  25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[eflayer]

did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
random reactions.

looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
have me do the negative on 2 tops.

On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?

 Rob in Seattle

 On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:



  i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
  prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
  sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne
  green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw
  today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
  smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
  choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
  block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
  25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ

[eflayer]

pretty sure i rode this one first today:

https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf

On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot.
 if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two
 feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding
 style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially
 lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew
 off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my
 random reactions.

 looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY
 STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all
 have me do the negative on 2 tops.

 On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:



  I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures?

  Rob in Seattle

  On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote:

   i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two
   prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am
   sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne
   green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw
   today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved
   smoothish roads.  so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a
   choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the
   block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race
   25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I think I get the gist. With my mountain-y trigger brifters I use a
normal (non-rapid-rise) derailer. And will continue to do so as wear
requires it. Those things really do work well together. And that's by
design; Shimano documents say that trigger shifters and non-rapid-rise
derailers should be used together.

Now, I've never used them but I have always thought that the dual
control brifters that Shimano makes (or made at one time, anyway...
LX) looked cool-but-too-finicky. Never tried them. Were those supposed
to work with rapid-rise derailers better than non-rapid-rise
derailers? If not, I do wonder what Shimano was thinking. Maybe they
planned to come out with some newfangled shifters to become the
standard rapid-rise-optimized ones? Maybe those proved difficult to
produce or market?

Otherwise, I really wonder what happened there. Because it's kind of
difficult to believe Shimano produced rapid-rise derailers and
marketed them as hard as they did with the *sure and certain
knowledge* that they would *only* work well with bar-end or thumb-y
or downtube shifters. All of those are perceived by the mainstream
as either retro or quirky, I think; not Shimano's go-to stuff for new
revenue.

Oh well, I certainly can't complain. I am very happy with my $15-$20
non-rapid-rise derailer on my low-down dirty Trek (it acquired low-
down dirty status when I got my Hillborne!); and have been for the
past 5000+ miles. And I'm also very happy with my XT rapid-rise
derailer with my Hillborne (all bar-ends or bar-ends-on-thumbies). And
now I've got somewhere between 3 and 30 years of XT or LX rapid-rise
derailers (I'll only learn their MTBF over time). I hope the LX is
basically as functional as the XT. I haven't mounted one of those yet;
I note with happiness that the LX comes with its own barrel adjuster.
Whew! Good thing Shimano didn't heavy up my XT with one of those! ;-)

Well, I'm sad to see it go. It'd've been nice if Shimano had stuck
with rapid-rise long enough for it to trickle into the Alivio/Acera
product range; then stocking up for their alpaca lips would've only
cost $15-$20 apiece!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Oct 3, 12:22 am, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote:
 On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:

  All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers. Nothing beats
  'em with bar-end shifters.

 I totally agree, and I think therein lies the problem. They don't work
 right with regular indexed shifters. I road a friends bike with a RR
 derailer and brifters. It was kind of fun cresting a hill and being
 able to down shift 3 cogs at a once, but going up a hill or coming to
 an unexpected stop, it was *really* annoying and painfully slow up
 shifting 1 cog at a click.

 Regards,
 -Allan

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Parallel TT lovers unite!

Yeah, I can see a quirky sort of appeal that I'd probably nurse into
fondness if I were in the market for a Hunqa-type bike. But basically
it looks too much a mash-up for me. Dare I mention the Pontiac Aztek?
Or would I sound like the King in Amadeus if I said Too many
angles!?

Oh well, I'm not in love with the colors or the lug-lining, either.
Perhaps it was the one-time use of the word kidney in its
description.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Oct 2, 11:51 am, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:
 It looks good but I am still not sure how I feel about the sloping TT
 look.  I much prefer a straighter TT.

 On Oct 2, 11:19 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:



  I recently purchased a Gunnar Sport with custom Waterford threaded
  steel fork.  The idea was to get to a bike just like the San Marcos.
  The Gunnar is gorgeous and rides well, but no lugs and a bit kludgy to
  get the 1 inch fork installed into the 1.125 headtube.  Love the bike,
  but would have probably preferred the San instead.  Think Grant and
  Merry Sales found a nice little empty hole in the marketplace and the
  San should fill it just right.  My Gunnar with custom steel fork was
  $1150, so the price point on the San is just right or even more fair.

  On Oct 2, 8:10 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:

   the perfect addition to the Soma Fab and Riv families.  Sorta like
   half way between a Smoothie ES and a Sam.  Smoothies are fine and
   cheap, but you gotta go modern with shortish headtube and 1.125
   steerer.  The San gets you lugs, old school fork/stem technology
   (cool!), I like that barely bent steel fork, and Roadeo-ish geometry.
   Always room for another great idea, collaboration, and more
   traditional steel.  Good luck to all involved.  I am thinking these
   will be hotcakes in our lifestyle niche.

   On Oct 2, 7:44 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:

I could definitely see myself saving up and grabbing one for Spring/
Summer fast rides next year. It's on my shirt list now along with the
VO Rando frame.

On Oct 2, 8:23 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yeah, that really is a very nice looking bike. I'm glad it's
 happening.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[newenglandbike]

I have an RR derailleur on my bombadil, a high-normal derailleur on my
trek, and a suntour cyclone equipped centurion with the 'backward'
front derailleur.I switch between bikes all the time, and after
the first couple of shifts, you don't really have to think about it
anymore.

I think the main benefit of RR derailleur that makes me want to stock
up on them as well is that, when using them with friction shifters, on
the rare occasion that you slip out of gear (which only ever happens
when you're going up hill for some reason) you end up in a lower
gear. This is WAY better than 'standard' rear d's where you end up
thrown into an even harder gear in the middle of a climb.



On Oct 3, 7:00 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

  On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
          On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean
          thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
          wrote:
           All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers.
          Nothing beats
           'em with bar-end shifters.

  Vas ist RR derailleurs? If that means (somehow) reverse pull and
  someone wants to trade an honest American-type normal pull for a
  poncey (lovely word!) LX r pull one, let's tawk.

 I think RR stands for Rapid Rise, also known as ass backwards, or
 low normal: unhook the cable, and the derailleur auto-shifts to the
 lowest gear/largest sprocket.

 I don't follow this sort of thing closely, but in a recent thread on
 2011 XTR someone made the comment that Rapid Rise is now dead.



  I don't like them atall.

 I've been through this once before, with SunTour backwards-acting front
 derailleurs.  Sooner or later, no matter how much you love the gear (and
 I loved the Compe V front derailleur, and hung onto them many years
 after they went out of production) you have to switch back, and the
 switch is painful.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Earl Grey]

I too have become a big rapid rise/bar end fan due to Grant's
promotion of them. Love the idea of the switchable rear derailer. Good
luck with that. That said, there is another diff, which is that the
cable attachment bolt is on the back plate of the parallelogram
instead of the front one. I assume Grant knows this, but just in
case...

Istarted stocking up on them a while back as I don't really like the
current X-shaped ones. And yes, they were designed to work with the
mtn brifters where you shift by pushing down on the brake levers. One
last thing: rapid rise detailers work really well with Campy Ergo
brifters, which don't have the silly one gear at a time limitation
(but you gotta use 10 sp campy with 8 speed shimano, or 10 sp with 9
sp and route the rear del cable the wrong way around the bolt.

On Oct 3, 8:19 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have an RR derailleur on my bombadil, a high-normal derailleur on my
 trek, and a suntour cyclone equipped centurion with the 'backward'
 front derailleur.    I switch between bikes all the time, and after
 the first couple of shifts, you don't really have to think about it
 anymore.

 I think the main benefit of RR derailleur that makes me want to stock
 up on them as well is that, when using them with friction shifters, on
 the rare occasion that you slip out of gear (which only ever happens
 when you're going up hill for some reason) you end up in a lower
 gear.     This is WAY better than 'standard' rear d's where you end up
 thrown into an even harder gear in the middle of a climb.

 On Oct 3, 7:00 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:



  On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

   On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
           On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean
           thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
           wrote:
            All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers.
           Nothing beats
            'em with bar-end shifters.

   Vas ist RR derailleurs? If that means (somehow) reverse pull and
   someone wants to trade an honest American-type normal pull for a
   poncey (lovely word!) LX r pull one, let's tawk.

  I think RR stands for Rapid Rise, also known as ass backwards, or
  low normal: unhook the cable, and the derailleur auto-shifts to the
  lowest gear/largest sprocket.

  I don't follow this sort of thing closely, but in a recent thread on
  2011 XTR someone made the comment that Rapid Rise is now dead.

   I don't like them atall.

  I've been through this once before, with SunTour backwards-acting front
  derailleurs.  Sooner or later, no matter how much you love the gear (and
  I loved the Compe V front derailleur, and hung onto them many years
  after they went out of production) you have to switch back, and the
  switch is painful.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Earl Grey]

Oh, and regarding San aesthetics, a year ago any discussion about fork
bend would have been utterly lost on me, but the sloping tt on the Sam
almost kept me from buying one. Now I think the San Marcos' fork is a
crime on such a nice bike, and the tt hardly bothers me at all. In
fact, I now prefer the aesthetics of sloping tt + moderate stem
extension to horizontal tt and 20+ cm of stem showing, fwiw. Though I
do think that matching the angle of the tt and the stem extension is
nice.

Grant, any chance you can commission nitto to make a traditional quill
stem with a 6 degree rise? Oh well, didn't think so...

On Oct 4, 4:24 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 I too have become a big rapid rise/bar end fan due to Grant's
 promotion of them. Love the idea of the switchable rear derailer. Good
 luck with that. That said, there is another diff, which is that the
 cable attachment bolt is on the back plate of the parallelogram
 instead of the front one. I assume Grant knows this, but just in
 case...

 Istarted stocking up on them a while back as I don't really like the
 current X-shaped ones. And yes, they were designed to work with the
 mtn brifters where you shift by pushing down on the brake levers. One
 last thing: rapid rise detailers work really well with Campy Ergo
 brifters, which don't have the silly one gear at a time limitation
 (but you gotta use 10 sp campy with 8 speed shimano, or 10 sp with 9
 sp and route the rear del cable the wrong way around the bolt.

 On Oct 3, 8:19 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:



  I have an RR derailleur on my bombadil, a high-normal derailleur on my
  trek, and a suntour cyclone equipped centurion with the 'backward'
  front derailleur.    I switch between bikes all the time, and after
  the first couple of shifts, you don't really have to think about it
  anymore.

  I think the main benefit of RR derailleur that makes me want to stock
  up on them as well is that, when using them with friction shifters, on
  the rare occasion that you slip out of gear (which only ever happens
  when you're going up hill for some reason) you end up in a lower
  gear.     This is WAY better than 'standard' rear d's where you end up
  thrown into an even harder gear in the middle of a climb.

  On Oct 3, 7:00 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

   On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 23:56 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
        On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean
        thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
        wrote:
         All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers.
        Nothing beats
         'em with bar-end shifters.

Vas ist RR derailleurs? If that means (somehow) reverse pull and
someone wants to trade an honest American-type normal pull for a
poncey (lovely word!) LX r pull one, let's tawk.

   I think RR stands for Rapid Rise, also known as ass backwards, or
   low normal: unhook the cable, and the derailleur auto-shifts to the
   lowest gear/largest sprocket.

   I don't follow this sort of thing closely, but in a recent thread on
   2011 XTR someone made the comment that Rapid Rise is now dead.

I don't like them atall.

   I've been through this once before, with SunTour backwards-acting front
   derailleurs.  Sooner or later, no matter how much you love the gear (and
   I loved the Compe V front derailleur, and hung onto them many years
   after they went out of production) you have to switch back, and the
   switch is painful.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Oh, and regarding San aesthetics, a year ago any discussion about fork
 bend would have been utterly lost on me, but the sloping tt on the Sam
 almost kept me from buying one. Now I think the San Marcos' fork is a
 crime on such a nice bike, and the tt hardly bothers me at all. In
 fact, I now prefer the aesthetics of sloping tt + moderate stem
 extension to horizontal tt and 20+ cm of stem showing, fwiw. Though I
 do think that matching the angle of the tt and the stem extension is
 nice.

 Grant, any chance you can commission nitto to make a traditional quill
 stem with a 6 degree rise? Oh well, didn't think so...



Well -  curiuously enough tange makes a lot of forks. You might want
to look through their website - see if any of them would be the right
fit.

It could overlap nicely. A San Frame + tange fork.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Mike]

Yeah, that really is a very nice looking bike. I'm glad it's
happening.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Justin August]

I could definitely see myself saving up and grabbing one for Spring/
Summer fast rides next year. It's on my shirt list now along with the
VO Rando frame.

On Oct 2, 8:23 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah, that really is a very nice looking bike. I'm glad it's
 happening.

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[eflayer]

the perfect addition to the Soma Fab and Riv families.  Sorta like
half way between a Smoothie ES and a Sam.  Smoothies are fine and
cheap, but you gotta go modern with shortish headtube and 1.125
steerer.  The San gets you lugs, old school fork/stem technology
(cool!), I like that barely bent steel fork, and Roadeo-ish geometry.
Always room for another great idea, collaboration, and more
traditional steel.  Good luck to all involved.  I am thinking these
will be hotcakes in our lifestyle niche.


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 I could definitely see myself saving up and grabbing one for Spring/
 Summer fast rides next year. It's on my shirt list now along with the
 VO Rando frame.

 On Oct 2, 8:23 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



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  happening.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[eflayer]

I recently purchased a Gunnar Sport with custom Waterford threaded
steel fork.  The idea was to get to a bike just like the San Marcos.
The Gunnar is gorgeous and rides well, but no lugs and a bit kludgy to
get the 1 inch fork installed into the 1.125 headtube.  Love the bike,
but would have probably preferred the San instead.  Think Grant and
Merry Sales found a nice little empty hole in the marketplace and the
San should fill it just right.  My Gunnar with custom steel fork was
$1150, so the price point on the San is just right or even more fair.

On Oct 2, 8:10 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 the perfect addition to the Soma Fab and Riv families.  Sorta like
 half way between a Smoothie ES and a Sam.  Smoothies are fine and
 cheap, but you gotta go modern with shortish headtube and 1.125
 steerer.  The San gets you lugs, old school fork/stem technology
 (cool!), I like that barely bent steel fork, and Roadeo-ish geometry.
 Always room for another great idea, collaboration, and more
 traditional steel.  Good luck to all involved.  I am thinking these
 will be hotcakes in our lifestyle niche.

 On Oct 2, 7:44 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:



  I could definitely see myself saving up and grabbing one for Spring/
  Summer fast rides next year. It's on my shirt list now along with the
  VO Rando frame.

  On Oct 2, 8:23 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

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   happening.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Johnny Alien]

It looks good but I am still not sure how I feel about the sloping TT
look.  I much prefer a straighter TT.

On Oct 2, 11:19 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 I recently purchased a Gunnar Sport with custom Waterford threaded
 steel fork.  The idea was to get to a bike just like the San Marcos.
 The Gunnar is gorgeous and rides well, but no lugs and a bit kludgy to
 get the 1 inch fork installed into the 1.125 headtube.  Love the bike,
 but would have probably preferred the San instead.  Think Grant and
 Merry Sales found a nice little empty hole in the marketplace and the
 San should fill it just right.  My Gunnar with custom steel fork was
 $1150, so the price point on the San is just right or even more fair.

 On Oct 2, 8:10 am, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:



  the perfect addition to the Soma Fab and Riv families.  Sorta like
  half way between a Smoothie ES and a Sam.  Smoothies are fine and
  cheap, but you gotta go modern with shortish headtube and 1.125
  steerer.  The San gets you lugs, old school fork/stem technology
  (cool!), I like that barely bent steel fork, and Roadeo-ish geometry.
  Always room for another great idea, collaboration, and more
  traditional steel.  Good luck to all involved.  I am thinking these
  will be hotcakes in our lifestyle niche.

  On Oct 2, 7:44 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:

   I could definitely see myself saving up and grabbing one for Spring/
   Summer fast rides next year. It's on my shirt list now along with the
   VO Rando frame.

   On Oct 2, 8:23 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

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happening.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers. Nothing beats
'em with bar-end shifters.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Oct 2, 1:30 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 Grant has posted a lengthy Knothole post about a number of things.
 Included is a link to pictures of the San Marcos... very nice looking
 IMO.

 http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf

 ~Mike~

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Mike]

On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers. Nothing beats
 'em with bar-end shifters.

Yup, it's a great combo. I'll bet you anything Nashbar or one of those
places ends up blowing them out ultra cheap.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[RoadieRyan]

My short list looks very similar - nice to have choices.

On Oct 2, 7:44 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
 I could definitely see myself saving up and grabbing one for Spring/
 Summer fast rides next year. It's on my shirt list now along with the
 VO Rando frame.

 On Oct 2, 8:23 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



 my  Yeah, that really is a very nice looking bike. I'm glad it's
  happening.

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[RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[Allan in Portland]

On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers. Nothing beats
 'em with bar-end shifters.


I totally agree, and I think therein lies the problem. They don't work
right with regular indexed shifters. I road a friends bike with a RR
derailer and brifters. It was kind of fun cresting a hill and being
able to down shift 3 cogs at a once, but going up a hill or coming to
an unexpected stop, it was *really* annoying and painfully slow up
shifting 1 cog at a click.

Regards,
-Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA San Marcos pics up

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Oct 2, 8:26 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:
  All I can say is I'm stocking up on RR rear derailers. Nothing beats
  'em with bar-end shifters.

 Vas ist RR derailleurs? If that means (somehow) reverse pull and
someone wants to trade an honest American-type normal pull for a poncey
(lovely word!) LX r pull one, let's tawk.

I don't like them atall.

Patrick Moore
Albuquerque, NM
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