Re: where is word perfect ?

[ethan]

Thanks to everyone who chipped in to help ! I managed to get it working now...


HOWEVER, now when I run wordperfect, it asks me for a license code like you
mentioned below... So now my last question is where can one get a working
license ?? 

Many thanks,

ABrady wrote:
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  On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:48:16 -0500fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
  
On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 11:33:15AM -0600, ABrady wrote:

  On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:27:46 +0800ethan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
  
Err... that url is for Corel Linux OS Second Edition... I justwant Wordperfect only. How can I do it ? thanks,

You might still be able to get it from tucows/linuxberg or cnet. But(and this is a big problem), it requires an activation code, andCorel doesn't seem to be giving those out any more. Plus it requiredsome old

The "public download" version does not require a registration code, orat least it didn't when I downloaded it (the first day it wasavailable).

I just had to redownload it a few weeks back. It worked fine in one userhome directory because it already had the code. But when I installed itto another user created from scratch, the first thing it did was ask fora code and tell me I only had a limited time to use it without one. Iused the same code from the other user since the new one was my wife.

Re: PPP Idle Time

[Gordon Messmer]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Travis McCarter wrote:

> I am using Red Hat 6.2 as a dial-in server for Windows clients.  I run
> Mgetty and they connect using Windows and DUN.  I need a way to monitor the
> activity of the modem and automatically disconnect a user if they have more
> than, say, 5 minutes of idle time.  They only use the dial up connection as
> a gateway to the Internet, so I need something that doesn't just monitor a
> terminal session.

pppd has built-in support for that.  Read the man page and look for the 
"idle" option and the "active-filter" option.


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Re: disable grub [FIXED]

[Hidong Kim]

Hi,

I just recompiled kernel 2.4.17, and everything's fine now.  It boots an
smp kernel off the hard drive with LILO.  I built the AIC-7xxx SCSI
driver support into the kernel.  That must've been the key to accessing
/ during boot.  Thanks, all,



Hidong







Thomas Porter wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 04:11:25PM -0800, Hidong Kim thoughtfully expounded:
> > I did re-run lilo.  The display showed that it added the smp kernel I
> > want to boot.  Has anyone ever had problems booting from disk when / is
> > on a SCSI drive?  I think this machine has pretty decent hardware (ASUS
> > motherboard, on-board AIC-7xxx, IBM SCSI hard drive).  This is the only
> > Linux machine of about ten we have here with a SCSI /, and this is the
> > only machine which gives problems booting newly compiled kernels.  All
> > the other machines have / on an IDE drive.  Thanks,
> 
> I have never used a SCSI drive, but I seem to recall that you might need an
> initrd.img of some kind that holds the SCSI modules the kernel needs to boot,
> and that both your GRUB menu.lst and the lilo.conf need to reflect the need for
> that initrd.img.  Typically the initrd img files have names that match the
> kernel version you want to use.  See man page for mkinitrd  and lilo.conf for
> more details.
> 
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Re: Tape Unit in Linux Box

[Hidong Kim]

Hi,

We use HP 4 mm DDS SCSI tape drives in our Linux machines.  The tape
drives didn't come with the units.  We recompiled the kernels with SCSI
tape support to enable the drives.  I'm not familiar with your tape
drive, but I suspect you can recompile your kernel for tape drive
support.  Good luck,



Hidong




Ted Hilts wrote:
> 
> I need some basic information about tape units in the Linux
> environment.  I understood - perhaps incorrectly - that TAR would work
> with any tape unit as long as the tape unit was properly designated in
> the system. This was according to the builder of the Linux Box.
> 
> IS IT NECESSARY TO INSTALL DRIVERS before Linux can utilize a tape unit
> or do the drivers come as part of Linux?  The tape unit is Seagate model
> #STT28000A-RF ATAPI drive - Travan 8 Gig.
> 
> If drivers are required and if they were installed where would I look
> for them and how would I reenable them?  The tape unit is not working
> after the Linux box was serviced and several technicians told me that
> there were no drivers installed. But I am fairly certain the tape unit
> worked when the box was built and was sent in for service.  I could be
> mistaken because the box went in for servicing just after it was built.
> It's been many months since this happenned and I am just getting around
> to dealing with the problem.  ARE THERE ANY LINUX TAPE EXPERTS OUT
> THERE?  I would appreciate your suggestions.
> 
> Thanks, Ted
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PPP Idle Time

[Travis McCarter]

I am using Red Hat 6.2 as a dial-in server for Windows clients.  I run
Mgetty and they connect using Windows and DUN.  I need a way to monitor the
activity of the modem and automatically disconnect a user if they have more
than, say, 5 minutes of idle time.  They only use the dial up connection as
a gateway to the Internet, so I need something that doesn't just monitor a
terminal session.

Thanks,
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Tape Unit in Linux Box

[Ted Hilts]

I need some basic information about tape units in the Linux
environment.  I understood - perhaps incorrectly - that TAR would work
with any tape unit as long as the tape unit was properly designated in
the system. This was according to the builder of the Linux Box.  

IS IT NECESSARY TO INSTALL DRIVERS before Linux can utilize a tape unit
or do the drivers come as part of Linux?  The tape unit is Seagate model
#STT28000A-RF ATAPI drive - Travan 8 Gig.

If drivers are required and if they were installed where would I look
for them and how would I reenable them?  The tape unit is not working
after the Linux box was serviced and several technicians told me that
there were no drivers installed. But I am fairly certain the tape unit
worked when the box was built and was sent in for service.  I could be
mistaken because the box went in for servicing just after it was built.
It's been many months since this happenned and I am just getting around
to dealing with the problem.  ARE THERE ANY LINUX TAPE EXPERTS OUT
THERE?  I would appreciate your suggestions.

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Re: Can't hear Audio CDs

[Statux]

I've been hearing several cases of audio CDs no longer working. Seems to 
have started happening since the beginning of the kernel 2.4 branch. I'm 
surprised I haven't heard more than I have, though.

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Art Ross wrote:

> Once upon a time, I was able to listen to audio Cds on my RH6.2 system.
> Well over the holidays I tried for the first time in 6 months and I
> wasn't able to do it.  My GNOME session has audio and it works fine.
> I'm also able to play .wav and .mp3 files but no audio CDs.
>   Thanks in advance.
>   Best Regards,
>   Art
> 
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Re: Wmconfig Configuration (Unsolved)

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>For a long time I used ~/.wmconfig directory with its configuration
>files for all my additional menu items.  Of course those items
>were inserted in the menus as indicated in the configuration files.
>Now the ~/.wmconfig directory and its configuration files don't work.
>Many of the menus were changed in Gnome 1.x and disallow ~/.wmconfig
>configuration files.  How do I combine the items with the new menus
>*or* am I wasting my time *or* is there another way?

Use gmenu to configure a Favorites menu. That is where user-configured
menu items go. I'm not sure where those items are stored in the
filesystem.

Tony
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Re: OT-picture from text file

[Ted Hilts]

Chad and Doria Skinner wrote:
> 
> > Covert the Word documents to PDF.
> >
> > You can either buy the tools from Adobe, or, if you have a Linux box
> > available on the same network, you can setup a workaround. Setup a printer
> > on the Windows box that uses the one of the HP Laserjet PS drivers.
> > Configure the print settings to "Print to File". This will create a
> > Postscript file that's easily convertable to PDF. When you print
> > using this
> > printer, save the file onto the Linux box with an extension of ".ps". Then
> > login to the Linux box and run "ps2pdf" on the file. If you expect to do
> > this a lot, then drop the PS files into a specific directory on the Linux
> > box and setup a cron job and a shell script to automate the conversion.
> 
> Another option if you have samba running is to setup a samba share that will
> accept a ps file and automatically convert it to a pdf. There are a couple
> of sites that document this, but the short of it is you need to write a new
> printer section in your samba config and override the default print
> commands. Mine looks like the following:
> 
> [pdf_maker]
>comment = create a pdf file
>path = /var/spool/samba
>browseable = no
>guest ok = no
>printable = yes
>print command = /usr/local/bin/pdfmaker %H %s
>lppause command = ""
>lpresume command = ""
>lprm command = ""
>queuepause command = ""
>queueresume command = ""
> 
> Then you will need to have a script for the print command to execute, mine
> is fairly simple and I am sure there are better ways to do this.
> 
> pdfmaker
> ---
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> # Parameters
> # $1 - users home directory
> # $2 - samba spool file
> 
>PDF_DIR="pdf_files"
>PS2PDF="/usr/bin/ps2pdf"
>SAMBA_SPOOL_DIR="/var/spool/samba"
> 
> # Create the target directory for the pdf
> # file if it does not exist
> 
>if ! [ -d ${1}/${PDF_DIR} ]; then
>   makdir -p ${1}/${PDF_DIR}
>fi
> 
> # Convert the spool file to a pdf
> 
>${PS2PDF} ${SAMBA_SPOOL_DIR}/${2} ${1}/${PDF_DIR}/${2}.pdf
> 
> # Remove the samba spool file
> 
>rm ${SAMBA_SPOOL_DIR}/${2}
Chad

I will also look at this suggestion as I do have have a SAMBA network
with 5 Win95B machines and 5 Linux machines and rely heavily on SAMBA.
Thanks for the suggestion and as I said in a previous note, sorry for
being slow in responding.

Ted

> 
> -
> 
> This creates a folder in my home share called pdf_files that contains pdf
> files for each of the print jobs sent to the samba printer.
> 
> Chad
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Re: disable grub

[Thomas Porter]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 04:11:25PM -0800, Hidong Kim thoughtfully expounded:
> I did re-run lilo.  The display showed that it added the smp kernel I
> want to boot.  Has anyone ever had problems booting from disk when / is
> on a SCSI drive?  I think this machine has pretty decent hardware (ASUS
> motherboard, on-board AIC-7xxx, IBM SCSI hard drive).  This is the only
> Linux machine of about ten we have here with a SCSI /, and this is the
> only machine which gives problems booting newly compiled kernels.  All
> the other machines have / on an IDE drive.  Thanks,

I have never used a SCSI drive, but I seem to recall that you might need an
initrd.img of some kind that holds the SCSI modules the kernel needs to boot,
and that both your GRUB menu.lst and the lilo.conf need to reflect the need for
that initrd.img.  Typically the initrd img files have names that match the
kernel version you want to use.  See man page for mkinitrd  and lilo.conf for
more details.

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Re: where is word perfect ?

[Patrick May]

There are issues with WordPerfect 8 on RedHat => 7.0 because libc5 is 
no longer supported. First, grab the compatability RPM from RedHat 6.2 
from your local mirror. I don't remeber the name and seemed to have 
misplaced it.

You can also go to news://cnews.corel.com

Subscribe to the group: corel.wpoffice.wordperfect8-linux

You can try posting there. You will probably be pointed to a website 
someone has done with the instructions.

Patrick

On Saturday 29 December 2001 05H:04, you wrote:
> may I know where you downloaded from ?
>
> I tried download from Ray Curtis who gave me the url for his version,
> but am apparently having some difficulty installing it as it gives
> some install errors and not able to run the GUI.
>
> thanks,
>
> ABrady wrote:
> >On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:48:16 -0500
> >
> >fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> >>On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 11:33:15AM -0600, ABrady wrote:
> >>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:27:46 +0800
> >>>
> >>>ethan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> Err... that url is for Corel Linux OS Second Edition... I just
> want Wordperfect only. How can I do it ? thanks,
> >>>
> >>>You might still be able to get it from tucows/linuxberg or cnet.
> >>> But (and this is a big problem), it requires an activation code,
> >>> and Corel doesn't seem to be giving those out any more. Plus it
> >>> required some old
> >>
> >>The "public download" version does not require a registration code,
> >> or at least it didn't when I downloaded it (the first day it was
> >> available).
> >
> >I just had to redownload it a few weeks back. It worked fine in one
> > user home directory because it already had the code. But when I
> > installed it to another user created from scratch, the first thing
> > it did was ask for a code and tell me I only had a limited time to
> > use it without one. I used the same code from the other user since
> > the new one was my wife.



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Re: [REDHAT] Re: OT-picture from text file

[Ted Hilts]

David

I will give this a try - sounds good - I'm running Win95B and will let
you know how it works.  I dislike MS Windooze (and NT) with a passion
but there are applications I must make use of for the web site I have in
the USA and these applications are not available on Linux.  So I do
appreciate the responses so far from the Linux community.  Also, I wish
to apologize for being slow getting back to everyone, I have limited
Internet time as I operate from a rural area in Alberta, Canada and from
this location do data transfers to my web site in the USA. So I have to
prioritize my Internet useage to ensure that I can keep the USA web site
properly updated.  Thanks again everyone!

Ted



David Kramer wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Anthony E. Greene wrote:
> 
> > "Ted Hilts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > This may sound dumb but there is a good reason for asking and so far I
> > > cannot find an answer.  I need to convert MS word documents to
> > > pictures.
> > [snip]
> >
> > Covert the Word documents to PDF.
> >
> > You can either buy the tools from Adobe, or, if you have a Linux box
> > available on the same network, you can setup a workaround. Setup a printer
> > on the Windows box that uses the one of the HP Laserjet PS drivers.
> > Configure the print settings to "Print to File". This will create a
> > Postscript file that's easily convertable to PDF. When you print using this
> > printer, save the file onto the Linux box with an extension of ".ps". Then
> > login to the Linux box and run "ps2pdf" on the file. If you expect to do
> > this a lot, then drop the PS files into a specific directory on the Linux
> > box and setup a cron job and a shell script to automate the conversion.
> 
> You don't need to do all of this!  The easiest thing to do is bring up the
> document in Word, and hit Alt-PrintScreen to send the screen to the
> clibboard.  Now you just paste it in your graphics program (if you don't
> have a better one than use "Imaging for Windows" which is on the
> Accessories menu of recent versions of Windows).  Crop/resize however you
> like, or combine several screens-worth of capture into one image.
> 
> Nothing to buy, and they don't need Adobe to read it.  They can see it
> right on your webpage.
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Can't hear Audio CDs

[Art Ross]

Once upon a time, I was able to listen to audio Cds on my RH6.2 system.
Well over the holidays I tried for the first time in 6 months and I
wasn't able to do it.  My GNOME session has audio and it works fine.
I'm also able to play .wav and .mp3 files but no audio CDs.
  Thanks in advance.
  Best Regards,
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Re: IP forwarding problems

[Devon]

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On Saturday 29 December 2001 10:04 pm, Art Ross wrote:

> Devon,
>   Thanks for the answer.  It works fine now with your assistance.  The
> delay in my returning thanks was because of the Holidays.

Glad I could help.

Take care,

- -D

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Re: windows network

[Art Ross]

"free2air.com.au" wrote:

> I have Installed Linux-Does anybody know of a program that will allow
> windows to run under linux? or do I have to partition, would I use fips?
>
> The only reason I want to run windows at all is to play cossacks across our
> 2 networked machines, maybe there is a better way?
> sharon
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VMware 3.0 is awesome.  I'm using on my department computers for a class we
teach.  I permits us to run all versions of Windows under Linux.  If you want
you can install multiple virtual disks, each containing a unique Windows
installation.  If you have enough memory you can run several of the Windows
installs and place them on individual subnets or have them appear as unique
computers on a local network that the host is located on.
  This permits one to use Microsoft's Office applications while conducting
other operations within Linux.

  If you want to try a 30 day trial, go to www.vmware.com and download it.
Since the company has gone to version 3.0 the price has gone to $129 for an
academic license.  Even though this is a bit pricey its cheaper than
Microsoft's new licensing.

Best Regards,
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Re: messages and a dead cdrom

[Statux]

> does it  have anything to do with the fact that i can't mount my cdrom?
> i keep getting the error: "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block device"

Does it have anything to do with it? Sure. ide-cd.. hdd problems...

What's /dev/cdrom pointing to? Have you always had this problem? Did you 
recently upgrade the distro or the kernel or anything? Did you recently
change any hardware or settings or anything? Did you move the computer
physically? Is it possible a cable might have popped off the drive?

Probably something simple.



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Re: where is word perfect ?

[fred smith]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:04:28PM +0800, ethan wrote:
> may I know where you downloaded from ?

I got it the very first day it was available (which was, what, 3 years
ago, more or less) from ISTR downloads.com. I strongly doubt it's still
available there.

I haven't looked at Corel's site in a long time, no clue if it can be
found there anymore.

> I tried download from Ray Curtis who gave me the url for his version, 
> but am apparently having some difficulty installing it as it gives some 
> install errors and not able to run the GUI.

Does he have the single-file version, or the multi-file version? I recall
that a lot of people reported trouble with the multi-file download. I got
the single-file one and and had no trouble with it (I was on RH5.2 at the
time).

Right now I'm running on a fresh install of 7.2, haven't reinstalled
either WP or the libc5 stuff it needs.

> >On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:48:16 -0500
> >fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> >
> >>On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 11:33:15AM -0600, ABrady wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:27:46 +0800
> >>>ethan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> >>>
> Err... that url is for Corel Linux OS Second Edition... I just
> want Wordperfect only. How can I do it ? thanks,
> 
> >>>You might still be able to get it from tucows/linuxberg or cnet. But
> >>>(and this is a big problem), it requires an activation code, and
> >>>Corel doesn't seem to be giving those out any more. Plus it required
> >>>some old
> >>>
> >>The "public download" version does not require a registration code, or
> >>at least it didn't when I downloaded it (the first day it was
> >>available).
> >>
> >
> >I just had to redownload it a few weeks back. It worked fine in one user
> >home directory because it already had the code. But when I installed it
> >to another user created from scratch, the first thing it did was ask for
> >a code and tell me I only had a limited time to use it without one. I
> >used the same code from the other user since the new one was my wife.
> >
> 

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Re: IP forwarding problems

[Art Ross]

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> On Friday 21 December 2001 03:38 pm, Art Ross wrote:
>
> >   Thanks your answer worked just fine.  Do you happen to know why that
> > wasn't getting set by 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'?  What
> > RedHat utility sets this variable?  I'm fine with editing the file but
> > the question will come up in one of my classes in the next quarter.
> >   Thanks and Merry Christmas,
> >   Art
>
> Check out sysctl and sysctlconfig-gtk. Both can be used to change the
> values in /etc/sysctl.conf.
> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward will set the value for the time
> being, but the values in /etc/sysctl.conf will reset it on reboot for
> sure, and probably on a network restart as well.
>
> - -D
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  Thanks for the answer.  It works fine now with your assistance.  The
delay in my returning thanks was because of the Holidays.
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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Admin-myispnet]

then you must be doing something wrong...mandrake does it very nicely
 
do a completely NEW/FRESH install ...don't do a upgrade...just do the
default install

Mike Watson wrote:
> 
> Admin-myispnet wrote:
> >
> Snip!
> > I had mandrake 8.0 and 8.1 on the IDE, and IT setup everything great...
> > and i was able to dual boot everything...just right.  i understood, that
> > mandrake
> > is a modified version of redhat...why doesn't redhat setup everything
> > just like mandrake.
> > I don't want to go back to mandrake...rather stay with redhat
> 
> I've tried Mandrake 8.1 and it fails the same way RH 7.2 does.
> 
> mw
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Re: messages and a dead cdrom

[daniel]

i'm running the updater now
but it'll be a while before its finished
i'll be sure to check out those sources :)



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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: messages and a dead cdrom


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> On Saturday 29 December 2001 09:24 pm, Devon wrote:
> > On Saturday 29 December 2001 09:14 pm, daniel wrote:
>
> > > does it  have anything to do with the fact that i can't mount my
> > > cdrom? i keep getting the error: "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block
> > > device"
> >
> > Is this a 7.2 (Enigma) system? I believe kernel 2.4.7-10 is the kernel
> > that shipped with 7.2. There are updates available for many packages,
> > including the kernel.
> >
> > The updates will probably fix the cdrom problem. In the meantime,
> > As 'root' run:
> >
> > depmod -ae
> > modprobe ide-cd
>
> By the way, www.google.com is your friend for things like this.
> Typing "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block device" into the search box
> resulted in 268 hits. The first one listed even gives the correct
> solution. (ok, in the third reply, but it is there.) ;)
>
> On another note, assuming this is an 'Enigma' machine, there is an Enigma
> mailing list available:
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/enigma-list
>
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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Mike Watson]

Admin-myispnet wrote:
> 
Snip!
> I had mandrake 8.0 and 8.1 on the IDE, and IT setup everything great...
> and i was able to dual boot everything...just right.  i understood, that
> mandrake
> is a modified version of redhat...why doesn't redhat setup everything
> just like mandrake.
> I don't want to go back to mandrake...rather stay with redhat

I've tried Mandrake 8.1 and it fails the same way RH 7.2 does.

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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Admin-myispnet]

ok, first...
I have redhat 7.1 installed on a separate 20 gig IDE HDD,
setup as the primary IDE drive on a compag PII deskpro EN.

I also have win98 setup on a primary scsi 9.1 gig HDD
 I had the lilo setup on the mbr of the 20 gig HDD with redhat installed
on it
I left the scsi with win98 alone...as i did with mandrake...


so, I have two separate drives...a scsi and a IDE...with win98 on the
SCSI, 
and win98 on the IDE, with lilo setup on the mbr of the IDE.

Not sure if I can dual boot the SCSI without RH installed...haven't
tried that yet...

ABrady wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:18:55 -0500
> Admin-myispnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> 
> > Man, I'm having the same trouble with two HDD...
> > I have redhat 7.1 pro version installed on a maxtor 20 gig HDD
> > setup as primary IDE master on a compaq deskpro en PII 400mghz...
> > and  I have win98 2nd editon installed on a compaq scsi 9.1 gig HDD...
> > on a scsi controller.   Someone help...in order to boot back to win98
> > I have to unhook
> > the IDE...then reset the bios then restart. this is not fun.
> > I had mandrake 8.0 and 8.1 on the IDE, and IT setup everything
> > great... and i was able to dual boot everything...just right.  i
> > understood, that mandrake
> > is a modified version of redhat...why doesn't redhat setup everything
> > just like mandrake.
> > I don't want to go back to mandrake...rather stay with redhat
> 
> The ol' bean is not quite connecting here. You had mandrake/win
> installed how? Both on ide, one on ide, one on scsi? That part I'm not
> clear with.
> 
> How was lilo or grub configured to handle booting (meaning, on mbr of
> ide, on mbr of scsi) in mandrake? How is lilo configured in the current
> situation? Was/is the scsi normally bootable with the ide connected
> without RH installed? Ditto for mandrake.--
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Re: messages and a dead cdrom

[Devon]

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On Saturday 29 December 2001 09:24 pm, Devon wrote:
> On Saturday 29 December 2001 09:14 pm, daniel wrote:

> > does it  have anything to do with the fact that i can't mount my
> > cdrom? i keep getting the error: "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block
> > device"
>
> Is this a 7.2 (Enigma) system? I believe kernel 2.4.7-10 is the kernel
> that shipped with 7.2. There are updates available for many packages,
> including the kernel.
>
> The updates will probably fix the cdrom problem. In the meantime,
> As 'root' run:
>
> depmod -ae
> modprobe ide-cd

By the way, www.google.com is your friend for things like this.
Typing "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block device" into the search box 
resulted in 268 hits. The first one listed even gives the correct 
solution. (ok, in the third reply, but it is there.) ;)

On another note, assuming this is an 'Enigma' machine, there is an Enigma 
mailing list available:
https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/enigma-list

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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[ABrady]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:18:55 -0500
Admin-myispnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:

> Man, I'm having the same trouble with two HDD...
> I have redhat 7.1 pro version installed on a maxtor 20 gig HDD
> setup as primary IDE master on a compaq deskpro en PII 400mghz...
> and  I have win98 2nd editon installed on a compaq scsi 9.1 gig HDD...
> on a scsi controller.   Someone help...in order to boot back to win98
> I have to unhook
> the IDE...then reset the bios then restart. this is not fun.
> I had mandrake 8.0 and 8.1 on the IDE, and IT setup everything
> great... and i was able to dual boot everything...just right.  i
> understood, that mandrake
> is a modified version of redhat...why doesn't redhat setup everything
> just like mandrake.
> I don't want to go back to mandrake...rather stay with redhat

The ol' bean is not quite connecting here. You had mandrake/win
installed how? Both on ide, one on ide, one on scsi? That part I'm not
clear with.

How was lilo or grub configured to handle booting (meaning, on mbr of
ide, on mbr of scsi) in mandrake? How is lilo configured in the current
situation? Was/is the scsi normally bootable with the ide connected
without RH installed? Ditto for mandrake.-- 
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Re: messages and a dead cdrom

[ABrady]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:14:54 -0800
"daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:

> hey people, what's this mean?:
> 
> Dec 29 13:52:45 gunslinger kernel: ide-floppy driver 0.97
> Dec 29 13:52:46 gunslinger insmod:
> /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-cd.o: insmod ide-cd
> failed Dec 29 13:52:46 gunslinger kernel: hdd: driver not present
> 
> i found it in /var/log/messages
> 
> does it  have anything to do with the fact that i can't mount my
> cdrom? i keep getting the error: "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block
> device"

If hdd is where your CD drive is located, that's the culprit. Either
it's trying to load it at a bad time (like, maybe after an ide-scsi
module), another module that it depends on isn't available, the drive
isn't answering the call (disconnected cable, bad drive, etc) or
something even more mysterious, like a bad master/slave setting on it or
the one sitting on the master connector.

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Re: messages and a dead cdrom

[Devon]

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On Saturday 29 December 2001 09:14 pm, daniel wrote:
> hey people, what's this mean?:
>
> Dec 29 13:52:45 gunslinger kernel: ide-floppy driver 0.97
> Dec 29 13:52:46 gunslinger insmod:
> /lib/modules/2.4.7-10/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-cd.o: insmod ide-cd failed
> Dec 29 13:52:46 gunslinger kernel: hdd: driver not present
>
> i found it in /var/log/messages
>
> does it  have anything to do with the fact that i can't mount my cdrom?
> i keep getting the error: "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block device"

Is this a 7.2 (Enigma) system? I believe kernel 2.4.7-10 is the kernel 
that shipped with 7.2. There are updates available for many packages, 
including the kernel.

The updates will probably fix the cdrom problem. In the meantime,
As 'root' run:

depmod -ae
modprobe ide-cd

That should also fix the problem.

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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Admin-myispnet]

Man, I'm having the same trouble with two HDD...
I have redhat 7.1 pro version installed on a maxtor 20 gig HDD
setup as primary IDE master on a compaq deskpro en PII 400mghz...
and  I have win98 2nd editon installed on a compaq scsi 9.1 gig HDD...
on a scsi controller.   Someone help...in order to boot back to win98 I
have to unhook
the IDE...then reset the bios then restart. this is not fun.
I had mandrake 8.0 and 8.1 on the IDE, and IT setup everything great...
and i was able to dual boot everything...just right.  i understood, that
mandrake
is a modified version of redhat...why doesn't redhat setup everything
just like mandrake.
I don't want to go back to mandrake...rather stay with redhat


ABrady wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:58:40 -0600
> Mike Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> 
> > I know, but it's just such a royal pain in the a**!
> >
> > I've looked at my RH 7.2 server---which is working just fine---and the
> > partition there (created by DiskDruid) in not on partition boundaries
> > either.  GRUB works just fine and so did LILO whilst using RH 7.1 and
> > earlier.
> >
> > mw
> 
> Fine. I was relating my own experience on 2 hard drives, and, as always,
> YMMV. Both drives refused to boot, period, lilo or grub, until I
> manually removed the bad boundary markings. I tried manually changing
> sizes, I tried manually fdisking various ways, I tried LBA and Linear.
> Nothing worked until every ding-danged + was removed. Now both boot
> beautifully.
> 
> > ABrady wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:28:09 -0600
> > > Mike Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> > >
> > > Well, if you can't back it up to redo it, and you can't take it down
> > > to redo it either, you're stuck with bootdisks. That isn't the end
> > > of the world. As I said, I did it for a year or more. Just make sure
> > > you have 2 or more KNOWN GOOD disks available ready to boot so you
> > > can fall back on a second one if one fails.
> > >
> >
> >
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messages and a dead cdrom

[daniel]

hey people, what's this mean?:

Dec 29 13:52:45 gunslinger kernel: ide-floppy driver 0.97
Dec 29 13:52:46 gunslinger insmod:
/lib/modules/2.4.7-10/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-cd.o: insmod ide-cd failed
Dec 29 13:52:46 gunslinger kernel: hdd: driver not present

i found it in /var/log/messages

does it  have anything to do with the fact that i can't mount my cdrom?
i keep getting the error: "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block device"



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Re: CD Writer working, but lost audio CD

[mike]

On Sat, 2001-12-29 at 17:30, Bill Johnson wrote:
> OK, not that's embarrassing.  Sorry to be such an idiot.  But, as usual,
> this group had the answer!
> 
> Thanks Duncan for thinking of the obvious.  I'm listening to a CD as I
> write this.

Mikes (me) law - anything not working check the basics , and then again
etc - your bound to have missed someting simple

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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Mike Watson]

I appreciate your responses.  I can change the partitions on the purely Linux
side, just not the Win98 partitions.  I'll work on that and see what happens.

Thanks,

mw

ABrady wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:58:40 -0600
> Mike Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> 
> > I know, but it's just such a royal pain in the a**!
> >
> > I've looked at my RH 7.2 server---which is working just fine---and the
> > partition there (created by DiskDruid) in not on partition boundaries
> > either.  GRUB works just fine and so did LILO whilst using RH 7.1 and
> > earlier.
> >
> > mw
> 
> Fine. I was relating my own experience on 2 hard drives, and, as always,
> YMMV. Both drives refused to boot, period, lilo or grub, until I
> manually removed the bad boundary markings. I tried manually changing
> sizes, I tried manually fdisking various ways, I tried LBA and Linear.
> Nothing worked until every ding-danged + was removed. Now both boot
> beautifully.
> 
> > ABrady wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:28:09 -0600
> > > Mike Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> > >
> > > Well, if you can't back it up to redo it, and you can't take it down
> > > to redo it either, you're stuck with bootdisks. That isn't the end
> > > of the world. As I said, I did it for a year or more. Just make sure
> > > you have 2 or more KNOWN GOOD disks available ready to boot so you
> > > can fall back on a second one if one fails.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[ABrady]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:58:40 -0600
Mike Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:

> I know, but it's just such a royal pain in the a**!
> 
> I've looked at my RH 7.2 server---which is working just fine---and the
> partition there (created by DiskDruid) in not on partition boundaries
> either.  GRUB works just fine and so did LILO whilst using RH 7.1 and
> earlier.
> 
> mw

Fine. I was relating my own experience on 2 hard drives, and, as always,
YMMV. Both drives refused to boot, period, lilo or grub, until I
manually removed the bad boundary markings. I tried manually changing
sizes, I tried manually fdisking various ways, I tried LBA and Linear.
Nothing worked until every ding-danged + was removed. Now both boot
beautifully.

> ABrady wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:28:09 -0600
> > Mike Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> > 
> > Well, if you can't back it up to redo it, and you can't take it down
> > to redo it either, you're stuck with bootdisks. That isn't the end
> > of the world. As I said, I did it for a year or more. Just make sure
> > you have 2 or more KNOWN GOOD disks available ready to boot so you
> > can fall back on a second one if one fails.
> >
> 
> 
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Re: sendmail- How to reduce header size?

[Ed Wilts]

Outlook Express 6 does *not* strip the headers.  Sure, they're hidden, as
most MUAs will do.  I even configure Mutt to hide the headers.  In OE6, just
right click the message and select Properties, and the message header is
there in all its glory, as how it should be.  Lotus Notes (4.x and 5.x) make
it *really* tough to look at the headers, and bounce messages are just about
impossible to figure out, but OE does the right thing.  And yes, I'm posting
this from OE6, having converted one of my desktops to Win2K (blasphemy I
know, but my other system is RH 7.1).

.../Ed

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Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: sendmail- How to reduce header size?


> On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:34:09AM -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> > Well, I don't want to change the MTA, I want to know where to look in my
> > config for what is causing it to happen.  Can you give me an idea of
what
> > to look for?
>
> What MUA do you use?  MicroSoft LookOut generally does not only hide, but
> strip, these sometimes-useful headers.  Other Win* readers such as Eudora
> generally hide them unless you dig.  Linux programs such as 'mutt' have a
> toggle to hide most of the user-useless headers.
>
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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Mike Watson]

I know, but it's just such a royal pain in the a**!

I've looked at my RH 7.2 server---which is working just fine---and the partition
there (created by DiskDruid) in not on partition boundaries either.  GRUB works
just fine and so did LILO whilst using RH 7.1 and earlier.

mw

ABrady wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:28:09 -0600
> Mike Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
> 
> Well, if you can't back it up to redo it, and you can't take it down to
> redo it either, you're stuck with bootdisks. That isn't the end of the
> world. As I said, I did it for a year or more. Just make sure you have 2
> or more KNOWN GOOD disks available ready to boot so you can fall back on
> a second one if one fails.
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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[ABrady]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:28:09 -0600
Mike Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:

Well, if you can't back it up to redo it, and you can't take it down to
redo it either, you're stuck with bootdisks. That isn't the end of the
world. As I said, I did it for a year or more. Just make sure you have 2
or more KNOWN GOOD disks available ready to boot so you can fall back on
a second one if one fails.

> See below...
> 
> ABrady wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > and someone wanted the partition layout of hda...
> > >
> > > Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2220 cylinders
> > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
> > >
> > >Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
> > > /dev/hda1   * 1   256   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > > /dev/hda2   257  2219  15767797+   f  Win95 Ext'd
> > > (LBA)/dev/hda5   257   512   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > > /dev/hda6   513   768   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > > /dev/hda7   769  1024   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > > /dev/hda8  1025  1280   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > > /dev/hda9  1281  1536   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > > /dev/hda10 1537  1792   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > > /dev/hda11 1793  2048   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > > /dev/hda12 2049  2219   13735266  FAT16
> > 
> > All of those plus signs (+) are potential problems. That means
> > partitions aren't ending on the correct boundaries, and that
> > confused both lilo and grub when I had it that way.
> > 
> 
> Snip!
> 
> > 
> > Is there an easier way? I couldn't find it if there is. How did it
> > happen? In my case I let the installer autopartition the drives. I
> > won't do it again.
> 
> That's what happened.  This drive was originally on an older box.  I
> used the vendor's setup disk and it autoformatted the drive into equal
> partitions---notice they're FAT16 rather than FAT32.  I've so much
> stuff on there that changing the partitions is not really workable at
> this time.  A lot of it is work related so I can't have the box down
> for any length of time.
> 
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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Mike Watson]

See below...

ABrady wrote:
> 
> 
> > and someone wanted the partition layout of hda...
> >
> > Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2220 cylinders
> > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
> >
> >Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
> > /dev/hda1   * 1   256   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > /dev/hda2   257  2219  15767797+   f  Win95 Ext'd (LBA)
> > /dev/hda5   257   512   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > /dev/hda6   513   768   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > /dev/hda7   769  1024   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > /dev/hda8  1025  1280   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > /dev/hda9  1281  1536   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > /dev/hda10 1537  1792   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > /dev/hda11 1793  2048   2056288+   6  FAT16
> > /dev/hda12 2049  2219   13735266  FAT16
> 
> All of those plus signs (+) are potential problems. That means
> partitions aren't ending on the correct boundaries, and that confused
> both lilo and grub when I had it that way.
> 

Snip!

> 
> Is there an easier way? I couldn't find it if there is. How did it
> happen? In my case I let the installer autopartition the drives. I won't
> do it again.

That's what happened.  This drive was originally on an older box.  I used the
vendor's setup disk and it autoformatted the drive into equal partitions---notice
they're FAT16 rather than FAT32.  I've so much stuff on there that changing the
partitions is not really workable at this time.  A lot of it is work related so I
can't have the box down for any length of time.

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Re: disable grub

[Hidong Kim]

Yes,

I did re-run lilo.  The display showed that it added the smp kernel I
want to boot.  Has anyone ever had problems booting from disk when / is
on a SCSI drive?  I think this machine has pretty decent hardware (ASUS
motherboard, on-board AIC-7xxx, IBM SCSI hard drive).  This is the only
Linux machine of about ten we have here with a SCSI /, and this is the
only machine which gives problems booting newly compiled kernels.  All
the other machines have / on an IDE drive.  Thanks,



Hidong





Jonathan Bartlett wrote:
> 
> Did you re-run LILO after creating the kernels?  Sorry if you already
> answered, I just joined the list.
> 
> Remember, LILO actually keeps the sector of the disk that the kernel is on
> stored, so if you move the kernel around or anything which might change
> that, you have to re-run LILO.
> 
> Jon
> 
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Hidong Kim wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just tried that.  But I still can't boot from disk.  When I try to
> > boot from disk, the screen hangs at "LI".  I just upgraded this machine
> > to Red Hat 7.2.  This is a dual Pentium III machine.  It looks like an
> > smp kernel was compiled during the upgrade.  In /boot, I see
> > vmlinuz-2.4.7-10smp.  Fortunately, I made a boot floppy during the
> > upgrade.  I can boot from the boot floppy, but that gives me a single
> > processor kernel.  cat /proc/cpuinfo returns only one of the two
> > processors.  I've actually had problems in the past booting newly
> > compiled kernels from disk on this machine.  Could it be that my root
> > partition is a SCSI drive?  Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dale Kosan wrote:
> > >
> > > SNIP..
> > >
> > > rpm -e grub
> > > rpm -Uvh lilo
> > >
> > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > >
> > > I think this will work, you might only have to uninstall grub, not sure
> > > though...
> > >
> > > ICQ# 55846749
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> > >
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> > >
> > > Oh Great Spirit,
> > >
> > > Help me always to speak the truth quietly,
> > >
> > > to listen with an open mind when others speak
> > >
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> > >
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Re: disable grub

[Jonathan Bartlett]

Did you re-run LILO after creating the kernels?  Sorry if you already
answered, I just joined the list.

Remember, LILO actually keeps the sector of the disk that the kernel is on
stored, so if you move the kernel around or anything which might change
that, you have to re-run LILO.

Jon

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Hidong Kim wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I just tried that.  But I still can't boot from disk.  When I try to
> boot from disk, the screen hangs at "LI".  I just upgraded this machine
> to Red Hat 7.2.  This is a dual Pentium III machine.  It looks like an
> smp kernel was compiled during the upgrade.  In /boot, I see
> vmlinuz-2.4.7-10smp.  Fortunately, I made a boot floppy during the
> upgrade.  I can boot from the boot floppy, but that gives me a single
> processor kernel.  cat /proc/cpuinfo returns only one of the two
> processors.  I've actually had problems in the past booting newly
> compiled kernels from disk on this machine.  Could it be that my root
> partition is a SCSI drive?  Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dale Kosan wrote:
> > 
> > SNIP..
> > 
> > rpm -e grub
> > rpm -Uvh lilo
> > 
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > 
> > I think this will work, you might only have to uninstall grub, not sure
> > though...
> > 
> > ICQ# 55846749
> > 
> > Registered Linux user #191829
> > 
> > A Cherokee Prayer:
> > 
> > Oh Great Spirit,
> > 
> > Help me always to speak the truth quietly,
> > 
> > to listen with an open mind when others speak
> > 
> > and to remember the peace that may be found in
> > 
> > silence.
> > 
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Re: disable grub

[Hidong Kim]

Hi,

I just tried that.  But I still can't boot from disk.  When I try to
boot from disk, the screen hangs at "LI".  I just upgraded this machine
to Red Hat 7.2.  This is a dual Pentium III machine.  It looks like an
smp kernel was compiled during the upgrade.  In /boot, I see
vmlinuz-2.4.7-10smp.  Fortunately, I made a boot floppy during the
upgrade.  I can boot from the boot floppy, but that gives me a single
processor kernel.  cat /proc/cpuinfo returns only one of the two
processors.  I've actually had problems in the past booting newly
compiled kernels from disk on this machine.  Could it be that my root
partition is a SCSI drive?  Thanks,






Dale Kosan wrote:
> 
> SNIP..
> 
> rpm -e grub
> rpm -Uvh lilo
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> 
> I think this will work, you might only have to uninstall grub, not sure
> though...
> 
> ICQ# 55846749
> 
> Registered Linux user #191829
> 
> A Cherokee Prayer:
> 
> Oh Great Spirit,
> 
> Help me always to speak the truth quietly,
> 
> to listen with an open mind when others speak
> 
> and to remember the peace that may be found in
> 
> silence.
> 
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RE: Text Parsing

[Patrick Nelson]

Anthony E. Greene wrote:
-
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Patrick Nelson wrote:
>For some reason I just cant get this...
>
>me@mehost>setap -l | grep ESSID:   # lists the following
>lono wireless extensions.
>
>eth0  IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"MECOOLAP01"  Nickname:"mehost"
>me@mehost>
>
>I'm trying to figure out how to pull the MECOOLAP01 from the line.  Any
>suggestions?

setap -l | grep ESSID: | cut -f 2 -d ':' | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sed -e
"s/\"//g"

That is all one line.
-
Thanks Tony,

You got me looking at sed and I dropped all the grep and cut stuff with just
one sed command...

  essid=$(setap -l | sed -ne '/ESSID:/ { s/.*ESSID:"\([^"]*\)".*/\1/;p;})

What do you think?  I like this and the rday's expr method:

  essid=$(expr "$(setap -l | grep ESSID)" : ".*ESSID:\"\([^ ]*\)\"")

These both work great!



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Re: disable grub

[Dale Kosan]

SNIP..


rpm -e grub
rpm -Uvh lilo

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 


I think this will work, you might only have to uninstall grub, not sure
though...




ICQ# 55846749


Registered Linux user #191829


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Oh Great Spirit,

Help me always to speak the truth quietly,

to listen with an open mind when others speak

and to remember the peace that may be found in 

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Re: disable grub

[ABrady]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:11:23 -0800
Hidong Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:

> Hi,
> 
> I just upgraded a machine to Red Hat 7.2, and chose grub as the
> default bootloader.  How do I disable grub and go back to lilo? 
> Thanks,

I haven't tried switching back from one to the other, but wouldn't it
work just creating a lilo.conf in /etc and then running /sbin/lilo?

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Re: where is word perfect ?

[ABrady]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:04:28 +0800
ethan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:

> may I know where you downloaded from ?
> 
> I tried download from Ray Curtis who gave me the url for his version, 
> but am apparently having some difficulty installing it as it gives
> some install errors and not able to run the GUI.

I have WP8 on my site (not fast, but available). I also have the libs
you'll need, which is probably all you're missing from the sound of the
error.

Here are what you need:

WordPerfect.tar.gz
ld.so-1.9.5-13.i386.rpm
libc-5.3.12-31.i386.rpm

You likely already have the first one. The install can't happen without
the other 2. They're available at:

ftp://alan.i989.net/pub/

There's other stuff there, too, and all available. But some of it is
dated and will be changed in a few days or when I have time, whichever
comes first.

I haven't checked it from an external machine lately, and it always
let's me in locally. Let me know if you have any problems getting in so
I can fix the firewall, permissions or whatnot.

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Re: restarting xinetd

[Devon]

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On Saturday 29 December 2001 05:29 pm, daniel wrote:
> that was my first guess
> but it didn't work
>   bash: /usr/sbin/service: No such file or directory

> > /sbin/service xinetd restart should do the trick.

Note the difference in the paths above. ;)

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Re: restarting xinetd

[Hidong Kim]

No prob.



daniel wrote:
> 
> thanks!
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hidong Kim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: restarting xinetd
> 
> > Another way:
> >
> > /etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd restart
> >
> >
> > In addition to restart, you can also stop, start, and status.  Good
> > luck,



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Re: restarting xinetd

[daniel]

thanks!
  
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From: "Hidong Kim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: restarting xinetd


> Another way:
> 
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd restart
> 
> 
> In addition to restart, you can also stop, start, and status.  Good
> luck,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Werner Puschitz wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, daniel wrote:
> > 
> > > this one should be easy
> > > how do you restart xinetd?
> > >   i ask only because i'm trying to test my proftpd configuration
> > > and i don't know if the changes i make are taking effect
> > 
> > You don't have to restart xinetd. Just do a reload:
> > service xinetd reload
> > 
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Re: restarting xinetd

[daniel]

that was my first guess
but it didn't work
  bash: /usr/sbin/service: No such file or directory



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From: "Devon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: restarting xinetd


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> On Saturday 29 December 2001 05:12 pm, daniel wrote:
> > this one should be easy
> > how do you restart xinetd?
> >   i ask only because i'm trying to test my proftpd configuration
> > and i don't know if the changes i make are taking effect
> 
> /sbin/service xinetd restart should do the trick.
> 
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Re: restarting xinetd

[Hidong Kim]

Another way:

/etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd restart


In addition to restart, you can also stop, start, and status.  Good
luck,





Werner Puschitz wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, daniel wrote:
> 
> > this one should be easy
> > how do you restart xinetd?
> >   i ask only because i'm trying to test my proftpd configuration
> > and i don't know if the changes i make are taking effect
> 
> You don't have to restart xinetd. Just do a reload:
> service xinetd reload
> 
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Re: restarting xinetd

[Werner Puschitz]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, daniel wrote:

> this one should be easy
> how do you restart xinetd?
>   i ask only because i'm trying to test my proftpd configuration
> and i don't know if the changes i make are taking effect

You don't have to restart xinetd. Just do a reload:
service xinetd reload

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Re: restarting xinetd

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On Saturday 29 December 2001 05:12 pm, daniel wrote:
> this one should be easy
> how do you restart xinetd?
>   i ask only because i'm trying to test my proftpd configuration
> and i don't know if the changes i make are taking effect

/sbin/service xinetd restart should do the trick.

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disable grub

[Hidong Kim]

Hi,

I just upgraded a machine to Red Hat 7.2, and chose grub as the default
bootloader.  How do I disable grub and go back to lilo?  Thanks,



Hidong



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Re: Sound driver problem for motherboard - 2th max 8KHA

[Gordon Messmer]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Stephen Liu wrote:

> at root  /
> I ran   modprobe snd-card-0
> it prompted
> 
> * * *
> /lib/modules/2.4.9-13/misc/snd.o: unresolved symbol 
> pci_free_consistent_Rfdd8bbfb
...

Try manually running 'depmod -ae'.  If you still have unresolved symbols, 
then the package that you downloaded isn't right for the kernel you're 
running.  Get the src.rpm and 'rpm --rebuild' it.  You'll need the 
kernel-source rpm package installed in order to do that.

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restarting xinetd

[daniel]

this one should be easy
how do you restart xinetd?
  i ask only because i'm trying to test my proftpd configuration
and i don't know if the changes i make are taking effect



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Re: bind-9.2.0

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On Saturday 29 December 2001 03:27 pm, Szemerédy Gábor wrote:
> Hello!
> Finally I have my rc file and my named works on RH6.2.
> The only problem is that it can startup only if I correct the startup
> file from "deamon named -u named ${OPTIONS}" to
>  "deamon named -u root ${OPTIONS}" , so it can not startup
> by user named!
> It claims : "couldn't open pid file /var/run/named.pid : Permission
> denied"
> Does somebody know the reason and the solution?

Make sure the user named can write to the directory.

[root@tuxfan root]# ls -ld /var/run/named/
drwxr-xr-x2 namednamed4096 Dec 21 18:13 /var/run/named/

[root@tuxfan root]# ls -l /var/run/named/
- -rw-r--r--1 namednamed   6 Dec 21 18:13 named.pid

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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[ABrady]

> and someone wanted the partition layout of hda...
>
> Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2220 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
>
>Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
> /dev/hda1   * 1   256   2056288+   6  FAT16
> /dev/hda2   257  2219  15767797+   f  Win95 Ext'd (LBA)
> /dev/hda5   257   512   2056288+   6  FAT16
> /dev/hda6   513   768   2056288+   6  FAT16
> /dev/hda7   769  1024   2056288+   6  FAT16
> /dev/hda8  1025  1280   2056288+   6  FAT16
> /dev/hda9  1281  1536   2056288+   6  FAT16
> /dev/hda10 1537  1792   2056288+   6  FAT16
> /dev/hda11 1793  2048   2056288+   6  FAT16
> /dev/hda12 2049  2219   13735266  FAT16

All of those plus signs (+) are potential problems. That means
partitions aren't ending on the correct boundaries, and that confused
both lilo and grub when I had it that way.

I had to delete everything and manually create and check each partition,
then write it to disk after I got rid of all of the pluses. Just giving
a size or putting in a stop cylinder wasn't enough. I had to create a
partition and look to see if it had a plus, delete it if it did,
recreate it if it was deleted (upping or lowering a cylinder each time)
and saving the product when all was done.

Is there an easier way? I couldn't find it if there is. How did it
happen? In my case I let the installer autopartition the drives. I won't
do it again.

Floppies will still continue to work if you don't want to go to all of
the trouble. Hopefully somebody will come up with a better answer, but
that's what I ended up having to do.




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bind-9.2.0

[Szemerédy Gábor]

Hello!
Finally I have my rc file and my named works on RH6.2.
The only problem is that it can startup only if I correct the startup
file from "deamon named -u named ${OPTIONS}" to
 "deamon named -u root ${OPTIONS}" , so it can not startup
by user named!
It claims : "couldn't open pid file /var/run/named.pid : Permission
denied"
Does somebody know the reason and the solution?
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Re: Local network : sharing internet cable connection

[Dave Ihnat]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 12:51:03PM -0600, Gary wrote:
> Good idea... I just came from the hardware store for a drill bit, and am
> putting in another hole next to the cable. .. much easier that way.. 

Another really, really useful item is a 6' (that's feet) or so flexible
drill bit.  They're available at places like Home Depot for not too much,
or for outrageous amounts of money at places like specialty lighting
stores.

If you go to the trouble of pulling a cable between floors, I recommend
you pull a shielded Cat5 to each floor and put a switch on the floor,
rather than multiple cables per floor.  Keeps the clutter down in
the trunk.

Have fun,
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Re: sendmail- How to reduce header size?

[Dave Ihnat]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:34:09AM -0500, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> Well, I don't want to change the MTA, I want to know where to look in my
> config for what is causing it to happen.  Can you give me an idea of what
> to look for?

What MUA do you use?  MicroSoft LookOut generally does not only hide, but
strip, these sometimes-useful headers.  Other Win* readers such as Eudora
generally hide them unless you dig.  Linux programs such as 'mutt' have a
toggle to hide most of the user-useless headers.

Cheers,
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Re: Local network : sharing internet cable connection

[Gary]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:12:39AM -0600 or thereabouts, Ed Wilts wrote:
> > I'd strongly suggest getting a printserver; It relieves a lot of
> headaches.
  
 
> I have a combination hub/printserver (NetGear PS104).  It's been a piece of
> crap and I finally took it out of my network and it's sitting on a shelf.
> Not only do you lose all the status information, killing a print job is next
> to impossible.  The job's in the printserver which means you have to power
> down the PS104 to kill it.  I wasted a lot of paper and ink with a confused
> printer/printserver/host with that sucker.  I connected the printer to my
> Linux system and all hosts print fine with it.  It's now sitting on my web
> server which is always up anyways.  It's also connected via USB instead of
> parallel and is a *lot* faster.

Interesting.. thanks for the info Ed..  This is my weekend project, as
well as installing my new Xmas present of 7.2.. 
 

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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Mike Watson]

Here's the lilo & grub config files.

# grub.conf generated by anaconda
#
# Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file
# NOTICE:  You have a /boot partition.  This means that
#  all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg.
#  root (hd1,0)
#  kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/hdd2
#  initrd /initrd-version.img
#boot=/dev/hda
default 2
timeout 10
splashimage=(hd1,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.9-13)
root (hd1,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.9-13 ro root=/dev/hdd2 hdc=ide-scsi
initrd /initrd-2.4.9-13.img
title Red Hat Linux (2.4.7-10)
root (hd1,0)
kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.7-10 ro root=/dev/hdd2 hdc=ide-scsi
initrd /initrd-2.4.7-10.img
title Win98
root (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
rootnoverify (hd0,0)

prompt
timeout="70"
default=Win98
boot="/dev/hda"
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
message=/boot/message
lba32

image="/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.9-13"
label="linux"
initrd="/boot/initrd-2.4.9-13.img"
read-only
root="/dev/hdd2"
append="hdc=ide-scsi"

other=/dev/hda1
optional
label="Win98"
table=/dev/hda

and someone wanted the partition layout of hda...

Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2220 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes

   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   * 1   256   2056288+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda2   257  2219  15767797+   f  Win95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda5   257   512   2056288+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda6   513   768   2056288+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda7   769  1024   2056288+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda8  1025  1280   2056288+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda9  1281  1536   2056288+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda10 1537  1792   2056288+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda11 1793  2048   2056288+   6  FAT16
/dev/hda12 2049  2219   13735266  FAT16

Mike W

mike wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 2001-12-29 at 17:00, Mike Watson wrote:
> > I have a home LAN setup using RH7.2 as my core machine for mail, webserver,
> > caching DNS serving three other PCs (Wife's, my Win98 box and a laptop.) All well
> > and good.
> >
> > Since I've been on vacation the last two weeks, I've done some experimenting,
> > adding two additional HDs to my Win98 box to try out various versions of
> > Linux---just to see how they worked.
> >
> > I've had a common problem with Caldera 3.1, Mandrake 8.1 and RH7.2. I cannot dual
> > boot for Win98 and Linux.
> >
> > The HD layout is:
> >
> > /dev/hdaWin98SE (18GB) boot partition /dev/hda1
> > /dev/hdbLinux (1.6GB) /boot  /home
> > /dev/hdcCDROM
> > /dev/hddLinux (8GB) swap(512MB) /
> >
> > The PC is a homebrew running a AMD Duron (800MHz), 192MB memory.
> >
> > The common lilo problem is lilo hangs at boot showing only "LI".  I can boot
> > using a boot diskette.  With GRUB, the one time it was written to MBR (failed
> > continuously to write a MBR afterward,) filled the screen with "@" until I
> > manually rebooted.
> >
> > Previous, before I'd installed /dev/hdd and with RH 7.0, I could dual boot with
> > lilo, not now.  I currently have RH7.2 loaded and have installed all the updates
> > and upgraded the kernel to 2.4.9-13.
> >
> > Anyone give me any hints way I can't dual boot?
> 
> Can you post your lilo/grub.conf
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Re: Local network : sharing internet cable connection

[Gary]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 08:55:53AM -0600 or thereabouts, Dave Ihnat wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 11:28:28PM -0600, Gary wrote:
> > I just today bought a Linksys 10/100 5-port switch which came *with* an
> > ether10/100 PCI card in the box... for $55  This also includes a shared
> > uplink port for other switches/Hubs..  Couldn't pass it up.
> 
> It is, indeed, a good deal.  There are some folk out there to whom even
> $55 is too much, though.

True..
 
> > I am doing the same thing, file/print sharing with wife's computer,
> > so she can use my laser..
> 
> I'd strongly suggest getting a printserver; It relieves a lot of headaches.
> -You no longer have to have a server machine running to use the printer
> -It doesn't affect the performance of the server machine
> -Printservers are as cheap as switches.
> -They interact well with both Windoze and Linux

Now there is an idea. I did not know that about the cost.. Interesting.
Also true about not having my server running... 

> The only thing you _may_ lose,  if you have it now, is interaction with
> the printer that tells you the state of the ink cartridges, drum, etc.
> Big deal.  I've been running the NetGear PS110 for over a year now,
> supporting Linux and Win9x/NT/2k  (all at once).

I will check it out. 

> > My thinking is that right now, it sure beats wireless for 2
> > puters, and a laptop.. now we are talking about $400, versus $55 and
> > about 60 feet of cable, which will fit nicely coming up from the
> > basement into 2 rooms through the cable TV connection holes in the
> > floor.  Also, wireless is a lot slower, 11 versus 100Mbps..  
> 
> If you can run the cable, wireless is certainly more expensive and
> problem- prone than a wired connection.  As you've found, following cable
> TV works.  Also, most homes--even very old ones--have a single passage
> for the ventilation stack for the bathrooms that cuts through all floors.
> Works nicely as a cable run.

Good idea... I just came from the hardware store for a drill bit, and am
putting in another hole next to the cable. .. much easier that way.. 

> G'luck,

thanks,, half way there.. 

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Re: ARG! Serial console woes

[Leonard den Ottolander]

Hi Chuck,

 I wrote:
> Just use: append="console=tty0 console=ttyS0"

 Well, I had another try with the full append line you use, ie
append="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600n8"
which works as well. I do seem to have some reboot issues though. I'll have a 
look at that, and see if the use of agetty instead of mgetty makes any 
difference. Sorry I can't be of any help.

Bye,

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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[ABrady]

- Original Message -
From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Red Hat Mail List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux


> On Sat, 2001-12-29 at 17:00, Mike Watson wrote:
> > I have a home LAN setup using RH7.2 as my core machine for mail,
webserver,
> > caching DNS serving three other PCs (Wife's, my Win98 box and a
laptop.) All well
> > and good.
> >
> > Since I've been on vacation the last two weeks, I've done some
experimenting,
> > adding two additional HDs to my Win98 box to try out various
versions of
> > Linux---just to see how they worked.
> >
> > I've had a common problem with Caldera 3.1, Mandrake 8.1 and RH7.2.
I cannot dual
> > boot for Win98 and Linux.
> >
> > The HD layout is:
> >
> > /dev/hdaWin98SE (18GB) boot partition /dev/hda1
> > /dev/hdbLinux (1.6GB) /boot  /home
> > /dev/hdcCDROM
> > /dev/hddLinux (8GB) swap(512MB) /
> >
> > The PC is a homebrew running a AMD Duron (800MHz), 192MB memory.
> >
> > The common lilo problem is lilo hangs at boot showing only "LI".  I
can boot
> > using a boot diskette.  With GRUB, the one time it was written to
MBR (failed
> > continuously to write a MBR afterward,) filled the screen with "@"
until I
> > manually rebooted.
> >
> > Previous, before I'd installed /dev/hdd and with RH 7.0, I could
dual boot with
> > lilo, not now.  I currently have RH7.2 loaded and have installed all
the updates
> > and upgraded the kernel to 2.4.9-13.
> >
> > Anyone give me any hints way I can't dual boot?
>
> Can you post your lilo/grub.conf

I missed the original post because I'm at work and only get home email
spotty here.

What does" /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hda" show? If there are any pluses after
the blocks allocated numbers, your geometry is screwy and both grub and
lilo have problems with it.

I had 2 disks like that for a year or 2 and finally fixed it. I had to
manually partition and experiment with cylinders before I got it to work
right again. Until it was fixed I used a bootdisk. It's reliable, but I
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Re: Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[mike]

On Sat, 2001-12-29 at 17:00, Mike Watson wrote:
> I have a home LAN setup using RH7.2 as my core machine for mail, webserver,
> caching DNS serving three other PCs (Wife's, my Win98 box and a laptop.) All well
> and good.
> 
> Since I've been on vacation the last two weeks, I've done some experimenting,
> adding two additional HDs to my Win98 box to try out various versions of
> Linux---just to see how they worked.  
> 
> I've had a common problem with Caldera 3.1, Mandrake 8.1 and RH7.2. I cannot dual
> boot for Win98 and Linux.
> 
> The HD layout is:
> 
> /dev/hdaWin98SE (18GB) boot partition /dev/hda1
> /dev/hdbLinux (1.6GB) /boot  /home
> /dev/hdcCDROM
> /dev/hddLinux (8GB) swap(512MB) /  
> 
> The PC is a homebrew running a AMD Duron (800MHz), 192MB memory.
> 
> The common lilo problem is lilo hangs at boot showing only "LI".  I can boot
> using a boot diskette.  With GRUB, the one time it was written to MBR (failed
> continuously to write a MBR afterward,) filled the screen with "@" until I
> manually rebooted.
> 
> Previous, before I'd installed /dev/hdd and with RH 7.0, I could dual boot with
> lilo, not now.  I currently have RH7.2 loaded and have installed all the updates
> and upgraded the kernel to 2.4.9-13.
> 
> Anyone give me any hints way I can't dual boot?

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Re: CD Writer working, but lost audio CD

[Bill Johnson]

OK, not that's embarrassing.  Sorry to be such an idiot.  But, as usual,
this group had the answer!

Thanks Duncan for thinking of the obvious.  I'm listening to a CD as I
write this.

Bill

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Duncan Hill wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Bill Johnson wrote:
>
> > OK, that's all the facts I'm aware of.  Does anybody have any idea why I
> > no longer have the ability to play an audio CD?
>
> Silly question - you did plug the audio data cable from the back of the CD
> drive to the soundcard back in right?
>
>

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Re: ARG! Serial console woes

[Leonard den Ottolander]

Hi Chuck,

 Thanx for all the input. The extra tty0 is helpful if you want to be able to 
get kernel output on the local console. Right, I missed that. And the "S0" 
entry indeed works fine as well.
 So you are telling the *getty doesn't make the difference. What probably does 
is the fact that you supply the serial parameters on the append line. You have 
already specified these in the "serial" entry, so just drop them on the append 
line. Just use:
append="console=tty0 console=ttyS0"
. That works for me. Hope it does for you too :).

Bye,

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Unable to dual boot with Win98 and Linux

[Mike Watson]

I have a home LAN setup using RH7.2 as my core machine for mail, webserver,
caching DNS serving three other PCs (Wife's, my Win98 box and a laptop.) All well
and good.

Since I've been on vacation the last two weeks, I've done some experimenting,
adding two additional HDs to my Win98 box to try out various versions of
Linux---just to see how they worked.  

I've had a common problem with Caldera 3.1, Mandrake 8.1 and RH7.2. I cannot dual
boot for Win98 and Linux.

The HD layout is:

/dev/hdaWin98SE (18GB) boot partition /dev/hda1
/dev/hdbLinux (1.6GB) /boot  /home
/dev/hdcCDROM
/dev/hddLinux (8GB) swap(512MB) /  

The PC is a homebrew running a AMD Duron (800MHz), 192MB memory.

The common lilo problem is lilo hangs at boot showing only "LI".  I can boot
using a boot diskette.  With GRUB, the one time it was written to MBR (failed
continuously to write a MBR afterward,) filled the screen with "@" until I
manually rebooted.

Previous, before I'd installed /dev/hdd and with RH 7.0, I could dual boot with
lilo, not now.  I currently have RH7.2 loaded and have installed all the updates
and upgraded the kernel to 2.4.9-13.

Anyone give me any hints way I can't dual boot?



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Re: sendmail- How to reduce header size?

[Leonard den Ottolander]

Hi Mark,

 Please read again:

> > Those are not "From:" headers, they are "Received:" headers and they are
> > required by the SMTP standard. Each machine that handles the message must add
> > this header. The only way to reduce their number is to simplify your mail
> > routing.

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Re: sendmail- How to reduce header size?

[Duncan Hill]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Mark Neidorff wrote:

> Well, I don't want to change the MTA, I want to know where to look in my
> config for what is causing it to happen.  Can you give me an idea of
> what to look for?

Mailing list software is the only stuff I know of that will strip received 
headers.  If they are that much of a problem for you (and you don't care to 
report spam), just use a mail filter on your MTA (I _think_ milter can do 
this) to strip all Received headers from the mail.

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Re: CD Writer working, but lost audio CD

[Duncan Hill]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Bill Johnson wrote:

> OK, that's all the facts I'm aware of.  Does anybody have any idea why I
> no longer have the ability to play an audio CD?

Silly question - you did plug the audio data cable from the back of the CD 
drive to the soundcard back in right?

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Re: sendmail- How to reduce header size?

[Mark Neidorff]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Anthony E. Greene wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Mark Neidorff wrote:
> >My system is working fine.  I have a small annoyance...each email that I
> >receive has 18 From: header lines added for no apparent reason.  It
> >appears that each header comes from a packet that was sent over the net
> >and added as the message was put together (that is just a guess on my
> >part) becuase each one has a different id.  Is there a switch somewhere in
> >sendmail to turn off all of those from lines?  Or is it something in my
> >configuration?
> >
> >One sample header looks like this:
> >
> >Received: (from root@localhost)
> > by ja.justanswers.prv (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBH826v01594
> > for mark; Wed, 10 Dec 2001 15:45:23 -0500
> >
> 
> 
> Those are not "From:" headers, they are "Received:" headers and they are
> required by the SMTP standard. Each machine that handles the message must
> add this header. The only way to reduce their number is to simplify your
> mail routing.
> 
> Generally, this not a problem for recipients because mail clients do not
> display this header by default. Some MTAs are configured to bounce
> messages that have too many of these headers (sendmail defaults to 30, I
> think) because that might indicate a mail loop.
> 
> These headers are there to simplify mail troubleshooting. A mail admin can
> see where the message went, and when. My recommendation is to leave this
> alone unless you have a real operational reason to go into the source code
> of your MTA and change it.
> 
> Tony

Well, I don't want to change the MTA, I want to know where to look in my
config for what is causing it to happen.  Can you give me an idea of what
to look for?

thanks & Happy New Year,

Mark



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CD Writer working, but lost audio CD

[Bill Johnson]

I'm running RH 7.1.  I received a Buslink CD burner for Christmas, and
installed it.  Since I didn't have any more IDE ports, I had to use the
cable that had previously gone to my existing CD rom drive, thus disabling
that drive.

My problem - I now have the CD burner working quite nicely (using
xcdroast, which looks quite awesome, although I've only begun to use it),
but I've lost the ability to play audio CDs.  If I mount the CD rom (I use
KDE 2, so I can mount either via the command line mount /mnt/cdrom, or via
clicking on the KDE icon of the CDROM), I can view the data on it just
fine, so it works as a data CDROM, but if I launch my CD player ( I have
several, using kscd most), it sees the CD, spins it, and appears to be
playing it, but there is no sound.

A couple of other facts:

1. I had to add append="hdc=ide-scsi" to my lilo.conf to get the drive
working (as found in the howto).

2. Kudzu apparently sensed the new CDROM drive, and added a new icon to my
desktop, as well as a new entry to my fstab.  This entry from fstab is:

/dev/cdrom1  /mnt/cdrom1  iso9660  noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0

3. I also noticed that /dev/cdrom1 was a link to /dev/scd0 (I assume the
scsi emulation added to lilo.conf caused this), and my old /dev/cdrom was
a link to the ide device /dev/hdc.  So I deleted /dev/cdrom, and recreated
the link so that /dev/cdrom now looks like:

lrwxrwxrwx1 root root9 Dec 29 00:08 /dev/cdrom ->
/dev/scd0

Before changing the above link, the kscd program didn't seem to find the
CDROM at all.  Now it finds it, but even though it says it's playing,
there is no sound.

OK, that's all the facts I'm aware of.  Does anybody have any idea why I
no longer have the ability to play an audio CD?

Thanks in advance for the help!

Bill Johnson
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Re: ARG! Serial console woes

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> 
>   Hi Chuck,
> 
> > /etc/lilo.conf
> > append="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600n8"
> 
>  Is it legal to specify multiple consoles? Or is just the last taken? And 
> which console is tty0?
>
This is the way I have been doing it for 7 years. (since whenever the first
serial-console kernel came out) This is the first time I have seen this happen.
However, I mainly use SuSE when I need to support systems located in colo
facilities. I am a 3 hour drive from our colo in El Segundo. I do not know 100%
if I have ever had this working on RH 7.2. I am pretty sure I have had this working on
RH 7.1 and defintely 6.2.
 
I think the kernel requires the tty0 console, the second entry is telling it
to also configure a console on serial0.
 
> > In /etc/inittab I added the following:
> > 
> > S0:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 9600 ttyS0
> 
>
  Is S0 a valid entry here? I tried this with plain numbers only.

I will try other things but as far as I know, this first field is irrelevant as long 
as it is
unique in the inittab file.


You need a motherboard that supports console redirection, Ex. Intel 440GX,
some Super Micros, and some other Intel boards. You can see the BIOS regardless
of the OS since this happens before control is passed to anything residing on the
local media.

> 
> > (I can even get into the BIOS remotely)
> 
>  How do you achieve that, getting into the BIOS after the bootloader has 
> started? This must be some special hardware/software...
>  Last question: Have you tried using mgetty? Dunno of specific issues with 
Yes, the *etty I use in /etc/inittab appears not to affect the problem, the
existence of the append="console" entry in /etc/lilo.conf is causing the hang.
(I can manually start agetty on ttyS0 after the machine has booted, however,
the kernel has not configured a console on that port since the append="console..."
line is commented out.

> agetty, although there might be. At least the docs made me decide to use 
> mgetty, not agetty. Not sure where I got this info, maybe it's in the Text-
> Terminal-HOWTO.
> 
>   Bye,
> 
>   Leonard.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Local network : sharing internet cable connection

[Dave Ihnat]

On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:12:39AM -0600, Ed Wilts wrote:
> I have a combination hub/printserver (NetGear PS104).  It's been a piece of
> crap and I finally took it out of my network and it's sitting on a shelf.

I'm sorry for your experience.  Clearly mine's been just the opposite.

> Not only do you lose all the status information, killing a print job is next
> to impossible.  The job's in the printserver which means you have to power
> down the PS104 to kill it.  I wasted a lot of paper and ink with a confused
> printer/printserver/host with that sucker.

OTOH, I've been able to issue cancels to the PS110 and they're honored
from both Linux and Windows.  The print job--if under 64K--is in the
printserver, but that talks LPR protocol to the Linux box, and looks
like a normal Win* system on that side of the house.  It should honor
cancel requests.

> It's also connected via USB instead of parallel and is a *lot* faster.

That is certainly a plus, especially if you don't mind the server being on
all the time, and taking the performance hit of handling the print queue.

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Re: Local network : sharing internet cable connection

[Ed Wilts]

> I'd strongly suggest getting a printserver; It relieves a lot of
headaches.
> -You no longer have to have a server machine running to use the
printer
> -It doesn't affect the performance of the server machine
> -Printservers are as cheap as switches.
> -They interact well with both Windoze and Linux
>
> The only thing you _may_ lose,  if you have it now, is interaction with
> the printer that tells you the state of the ink cartridges, drum, etc.
> Big deal.  I've been running the NetGear PS110 for over a year now,
> supporting Linux and Win9x/NT/2k  (all at once).

I have a combination hub/printserver (NetGear PS104).  It's been a piece of
crap and I finally took it out of my network and it's sitting on a shelf.
Not only do you lose all the status information, killing a print job is next
to impossible.  The job's in the printserver which means you have to power
down the PS104 to kill it.  I wasted a lot of paper and ink with a confused
printer/printserver/host with that sucker.  I connected the printer to my
Linux system and all hosts print fine with it.  It's now sitting on my web
server which is always up anyways.  It's also connected via USB instead of
parallel and is a *lot* faster.

.../Ed
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Re: Text Parsing

[rpjday]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Anthony E. Greene wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Patrick Nelson wrote:
> >For some reason I just cant get this...
> >
> >me@mehost>setap -l | grep ESSID:   # lists the following
> >lono wireless extensions.
> >
> >eth0  IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"MECOOLAP01"  Nickname:"mehost"
> >me@mehost>
> >
> >I'm trying to figure out how to pull the MECOOLAP01 from the line.  Any
> >suggestions?
> 
> setap -l | grep ESSID: | cut -f 2 -d ':' | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sed -e
> "s/\"//g"
> 
> 
> That is all one line.

$ line=$(setap -l | grep ESSID)
$ essid=$(expr "$line" : ".*ESSID:\"\([^ ]*\)\"")
$ echo $essid

  why this works is left as an exercise for the reader, but it
demonstrates the pattern-matching and extraction power of the
woefully-overlooked "expr" command.  note the efficiency as well,
and how, if you wanted, you could combine it all into one line.

rday



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Re: Local network : sharing internet cable connection

[Dave Ihnat]

On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 11:28:28PM -0600, Gary wrote:
> I just today bought a Linksys 10/100 5-port switch which came *with* an
> ether10/100 PCI card in the box... for $55  This also includes a shared
> uplink port for other switches/Hubs..  Couldn't pass it up.

It is, indeed, a good deal.  There are some folk out there to whom even
$55 is too much, though.

> I am doing the same thing, file/print sharing with wife's computer,
> so she can use my laser..

I'd strongly suggest getting a printserver; It relieves a lot of headaches.
-You no longer have to have a server machine running to use the printer
-It doesn't affect the performance of the server machine
-Printservers are as cheap as switches.
-They interact well with both Windoze and Linux

The only thing you _may_ lose,  if you have it now, is interaction with
the printer that tells you the state of the ink cartridges, drum, etc.
Big deal.  I've been running the NetGear PS110 for over a year now,
supporting Linux and Win9x/NT/2k  (all at once).

> My thinking is that right now, it sure beats wireless for 2
> puters, and a laptop.. now we are talking about $400, versus $55 and
> about 60 feet of cable, which will fit nicely coming up from the
> basement into 2 rooms through the cable TV connection holes in the
> floor.  Also, wireless is a lot slower, 11 versus 100Mbps..  

If you can run the cable, wireless is certainly more expensive and
problem- prone than a wired connection.  As you've found, following cable
TV works.  Also, most homes--even very old ones--have a single passage
for the ventilation stack for the bathrooms that cuts through all floors.
Works nicely as a cable run.

G'luck,
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Re: Text Parsing

[Anthony E. Greene]

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Patrick Nelson wrote:
>For some reason I just cant get this...
>
>me@mehost>setap -l | grep ESSID:   # lists the following
>lono wireless extensions.
>
>eth0  IEEE 802.11-DS  ESSID:"MECOOLAP01"  Nickname:"mehost"
>me@mehost>
>
>I'm trying to figure out how to pull the MECOOLAP01 from the line.  Any
>suggestions?

setap -l | grep ESSID: | cut -f 2 -d ':' | cut -f 1 -d ' ' | sed -e
"s/\"//g"


That is all one line.

Tony
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Re: sendmail- How to reduce header size?

[Anthony E. Greene]

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On Wed, 19 Dec 2001, Mark Neidorff wrote:
>My system is working fine.  I have a small annoyance...each email that I
>receive has 18 From: header lines added for no apparent reason.  It
>appears that each header comes from a packet that was sent over the net
>and added as the message was put together (that is just a guess on my
>part) becuase each one has a different id.  Is there a switch somewhere in
>sendmail to turn off all of those from lines?  Or is it something in my
>configuration?
>
>One sample header looks like this:
>
>Received: (from root@localhost)
>   by ja.justanswers.prv (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBH826v01594
>   for mark; Wed, 10 Dec 2001 15:45:23 -0500
>


Those are not "From:" headers, they are "Received:" headers and they are
required by the SMTP standard. Each machine that handles the message must
add this header. The only way to reduce their number is to simplify your
mail routing.

Generally, this not a problem for recipients because mail clients do not
display this header by default. Some MTAs are configured to bounce
messages that have too many of these headers (sendmail defaults to 30, I
think) because that might indicate a mail loop.

These headers are there to simplify mail troubleshooting. A mail admin can
see where the message went, and when. My recommendation is to leave this
alone unless you have a real operational reason to go into the source code
of your MTA and change it.

Tony
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Re: Moving oversized X window

[Michael Scottaline]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:23:24 +
Gary Stainburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled in frustration:

> Hi all,
> I'm running my monitor at it's max resolution - 1024x768, but
> fetchmailconf still shoots off the bottom of my screen.
> 
> I seem to remember somewhere reading that you can grab a window and drag
> it about even if you can't see the grab bar (caption bar whatever you
> want to call it)
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to do it please.
Try holding down the "lt" key while using the left mouse button to drag.
Mike

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Re: where is word perfect ?

[ethan]

may I know where you downloaded from ? 

I tried download from Ray Curtis who gave me the url for his version, but
am apparently having some difficulty installing it as it gives some install
errors and not able to run the GUI.

thanks,

ABrady wrote:
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  On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:48:16 -0500fred smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
  
On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 11:33:15AM -0600, ABrady wrote:

  On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:27:46 +0800ethan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> implied:
  
Err... that url is for Corel Linux OS Second Edition... I justwant Wordperfect only. How can I do it ? thanks,

You might still be able to get it from tucows/linuxberg or cnet. But(and this is a big problem), it requires an activation code, andCorel doesn't seem to be giving those out any more. Plus it requiredsome old

The "public download" version does not require a registration code, orat least it didn't when I downloaded it (the first day it wasavailable).

I just had to redownload it a few weeks back. It worked fine in one userhome directory because it already had the code. But when I installed itto another user created from scratch, the first thing it did was ask fora code and tell me I only had a limited time to use it without one. Iused the same code from the other user since the new one was my wife.

Cannot mount CDWriter

[Stephen Liu]

Hi All People,

(Only one CDWriter without CDRom)

I could not mount CDwriter for unknown reason.  RH7.2 ran without problem 
after having a new kernel installed for a few days.

During booting, following warning pop-up ;
/etc/rc.sysinit:  line 741:  286 Segmentation fault  modprobe 
ide-cd >dev/null 2>&1

Mounting CDWriter following warning pop-up ;
unknown device

In Console Window at root  /
# modprobe  ide-cd
Segmentation fault
Cannot locate module  ide-cdrom

lines 740-745 of  /etc/rc.sysinit looks as follows ;
kill -TERM '/sbin/pidof getkey` >/dev/null 2>&1
} &  (741)
if [ "$PROMPT" != "no" ]; then
/sbin/getkey i && touch /var/run/confirm
fi
wait

Any suggestion ?

Thanks

B.Regards
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Re: Moving oversized X window

[rpjday]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Gary Stainburn wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm running my monitor at it's max resolution - 1024x768, but fetchmailconf 
> still shoots off the bottom of my screen.
> 
> I seem to remember somewhere reading that you can grab a window and drag it 
> about even if you can't see the grab bar (caption bar whatever you want to 
> call it)

Alt-, then drag.

rday

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Moving oversized X window

[Gary Stainburn]

Hi all,
I'm running my monitor at it's max resolution - 1024x768, but fetchmailconf 
still shoots off the bottom of my screen.

I seem to remember somewhere reading that you can grab a window and drag it 
about even if you can't see the grab bar (caption bar whatever you want to 
call it)

Can anyone tell me how to do it please.
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may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
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IP MASQ

[Sujith K]

Hi,

I am using Linux system with IP masq , and I have a
problem 
with win95 clients, some time I have to restart the
win95 system
then only I am able to browse but in winnt this is ok.

Can I do some thing for this on linux system to solve
this problem.

Thanks

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Re: how do i see master boot record

[rpjday]

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, hari_bhr wrote:

> hi
> thanks
> 
> how do i edit MBR and put my own  if i want
> if i do iam going to loose the MBR.

go back through my last several postings.  if you *really* want
to mess with the MBR, use "dd" to make your own copy of it,
hex edit that, then use "dd" to write it back to the front
of the hard drive.

rday

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