RE: General Linux ListServ
Now, that I can afford! :) I have been a member of one or more tech support lists since the early to mid 90's and understand what it's like to see the same question posted week after week. But at the same time, it is most helpful to me sometimes to have a good two-way conversation to help hash out the strengths and weaknesses of what I am trying to accomplish. I always seem to have a not-so normal way of doing things for whatever reason. Maybe what I need is a mentor type conversation. Thanks, I'll look it up and book mark the URL. I'll be back with the questions later. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reuben D. Budiardja Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: General Linux ListServ On Tuesday 07 October 2003 08:55 am, Benjamin J. Weiss wrote: My questions concern generic aspects such as backup procedures, hard drive partitions, and other things that aren't related to a particular version. I have tried asking before and told to go to other lists. snip I am a member of several lists and one of them got upset that I asked about backups once. I like O'Reilly's Unix Backup Recovery ... http://www.bookpool.com/.x/ezz9dsqmmn/sm/1565926420 I second that. Also please look at the archives. There are a *lot* of discussion about all kind of backups here not so long ago. As a rule of thumb, something that looks fairly general (eg. backup) must have been discussed before and the archive is a good starting point to look. If then you have a more specific question for that topic, and/or specific topic that's not in the archive, then ask here. In case you don't know, this site has archive of many lists, including this list (redhat-list): http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ -- Reuben D. Budiardja Department of Physics and Astronomy The University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN - To be a nemesis, you have to actively try to destroy something, don't you? Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect. - Linus Torvalds - -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: General Linux ListServ
I just sent a subscribe message. Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Morse Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: General Linux ListServ The following is a general list that I've been following for some years now. Usually low volume, but some very sharp folks answer questions there. Find info below. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-admin in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: This assignment would exceed your allowed subscriptions
You'll have to talk to RH sales, but from what they tell me, you are just paying for the service contract. The boxed set just comes along for the ride. When you talk to sales, don't forget to ask about quantity discounts. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre ten Bohmer Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This assignment would exceed your allowed subscriptions From: Bret Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: This assignment would exceed your allowed subscriptions On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 07:01, Andre ten Bohmer wrote: Greetings, We've bought 1 set of Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS v2.1 and 2 Management Red Hat Network entitlements. The first server is able to join the correct update channel but the second system not: This assignment would exceed your allowed subscriptions So looks like we need to buy a Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS v2.1 set per server or is there another option? The Red Hat sales department still did not respond at all to this question so please give me your thoughts! You are correct. 1 license per box. Bret Oke thanks! Do you know if it is possible to buy and install a license key instead of a complete set with CD's and books? Cheers, Andre -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Red Hat Professional Workstation - it lives!
And I thought I was cheap! That's only $50 per computer. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of T. Ribbrock Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Red Hat Professional Workstation - it lives! On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 02:15:26PM -0500, Ed Wilts wrote: BUY.COM now has the product online with a release date of 10/26/2003. Their price is $100.99. Don't forget that it includes a full year of RHN which by itself is $60. http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=20359120loc=105queryType=s oft $100.- ?!?!? Definitely not targeted at the home user, meethinks, especially not those who don't need the support. That'll be Fedora or probably Mandrake, then... Pity in a way, cause I think that RH grew on those folks once, though I can see some business sense in it. Cheerio, Thomas -- == RH List Archive: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listr=1w=2 == - Thomas Ribbrockhttp://www.ribbrock.org You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
General Linux ListServ
I have several questions that are general to Linux. I have had my nose bitten several times now on various lists asking what isn't Red Hat specific. I am wondering if there is a listserv for General Linux questions. Thanks for the help Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Red Hat Professional Workstation - it lives!
OOPS, I misunderstood, I thought it was for up to two computers. My apologies. I am still cheap and $100 is the edge. I am not sure what kind of support you get though. I know you will get the updates, but for someone supporting the larger systems on RHEL, that would be good deal. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Red Hat Professional Workstation - it lives! On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 06:37:24PM -0400, Buck wrote: And I thought I was cheap! That's only $50 per computer. $100 for ONE computer - up 2 to CPUs in that computer are supported. And Thomas said: $100.- ?!?!? Definitely not targeted at the home user, meethinks, especially not those who don't need the support. That'll be Fedora or probably Mandrake, then... There a lot of home users that pay $60 per year already for RHN support - I'm one of those. Add a one-time cost of $40 for the product (which includes a year of RHN support) and the price is very reasonable, even for a home user. That said, there will be a lot of people for whom Fedora will be the preferred solution. Nothing wrong with that either. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: General Linux ListServ
My questions concern generic aspects such as backup procedures, hard drive partitions, and other things that aren't related to a particular version. I have tried asking before and told to go to other lists. You don't sound snide. I've never seen this type of question have to be asked before. I have lots of experience with peer-to-peer lans but no schooling or dealing with the real thing. I have lots of questions concerning networking in general, layouts, particulars for equipment, etc. I know I could throw something together and it work, but I would like to learn how to set them up properly. I am a member of several lists and one of them got upset that I asked about backups once. Thanks for asking Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Wimmer Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: General Linux ListServ I don't mean this to sound snide, but there is no General Linux distroI don't know if you mean you're asking a question about OpenSSL for example, even though it runs on all Unix/Linux versions. I would assume you have the version running on RH. Just be a member of a list for the distro of Linux you have, SuSE, Debian, Mandrake, whatever. I would think you'd get your questions answered on most any package assuming it's included and running on the particular distro you're using. I like RH, have used it for years, and won't use anything else, unless it's maybe Fedora, but I would personally answer ANY question here if I knew the answer, relating to Linux of any flavor. I'm a member of the Sun Solaris managers list and you talk about off topic flaming if you don't ask a specific question about Solarisit's terrible, but I guess it also saves peoples time. There are trade offs to everything JEFFREY WIMMER - Original Message - From: Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RH List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: General Linux ListServ I have several questions that are general to Linux. I have had my nose bitten several times now on various lists asking what isn't Red Hat specific. I am wondering if there is a listserv for General Linux questions. Thanks for the help Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: red hat 10 release date
And another one crawls out from under a rock. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Szilagyi Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: red hat 10 release date Does anyone happen to know what it is? Thanks. _ Regards, Joe E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: red hat 10 release date
Sorry, This discussion has raised about 200 messages a day for the last two weeks. Red Hat Linux is no more. Now there is Fedora. Please check out http://fedora.redhat.com also check out the archives. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: red hat 10 release date And another one crawls out from under a rock. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Szilagyi Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: red hat 10 release date Does anyone happen to know what it is? Thanks. _ Regards, Joe E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Connecting to ISP?
LOL Denham on the TeePee! :^) I am in the process of building a computer that will be just as you describe the TeePee. Because of your signature, I will name it TeePee! My goal and desire is that it will remain pure from anything Microsoft! As for your dilemma, unless you have a cable modem I am afraid I can't be of much help, but if you list the name of your ISP and it's website address for the settings, I am sure someone on this list will help. Some of the world's fines people are here! Good Luck, Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denham Eva Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:55 AM To: Redhat-List (E-mail) Subject: Connecting to ISP? Hello Redhatters, My ISP does not support Linux/Redhat connections. However I am wondering if anyone can spare me the research time and tell me does that mean it is not possible? Or is it? They do support the Windows platform. I can only think that the issue would be with the password and user authentication. Am I missing something? Many Thanks Denham Eva Oracle DBA Linux like TeePee... No Windows, No Gates and Apache inside! -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Mounting Drive Partitions
I'm a newbie in RH and Linux. I have a question for which I am looking for a brief answer (Yes, check out..., or no, you will have to think of something else) not a detailed how-to. I'll check that out later when I get to it. Here is the situation: In Windows 2000 Pro, I have an internal HDD with 4 partitions. The 4th partition is only used for experiments and temporary storage of non-important files. The machine has a removable HDD which was cloned exactly partition for partition from the internal drive. The first three partitions are not assigned drive letters rendering them invisible to the OS and users. The 4th partition is assigned a drive letter and is used to backup files from the 3rd partition of the internal drive. Since W2kP allows me to change drive letters to each of the partitions on the fly, I can easily swap the HDDs, re-assign the drive letters and I have my computer back up and running with no hitch. However, in Linux, it doesn't assign drive letters, it assigns directory names. I assume that I could somehow use mount to mount and unmount the partitions, but since I use partition 4 of both drives and they have the same name, I don't think it would work. I am too new in this to know if that directory name is formatted into the partition or if it is assigned somewhere in the boot or OS area. My question is can the directory be renamed by the mount/unmount? Here is a picture of what I have Drive 0 - Internal -- All operations are on this drive except for the daily backup file Part 1) (C:) Boot OS and installed programs - keep updated as needed Part 2) (--) Restore OS - minimum install for emergency use to restore to the boot OS (no letter assigned) Part 3) (S:) Shared data storage - home and group directories for each user and each user group Part 4) (Z:) Temporary file storage for administrator use only -- no need to backup or save Drive 1 - Removable -- A duplicate is exchanged periodically for backup. Part 1) (--) same as part 1 above but no letter assigned Part 2) (--) same as part 2 above but no letter assigned Part 3) (--) same as part 3 above but no letter assigned Part 4) (Y:) Daily backup files stored here. In Linux it would look like this Drive 0 - Internal -- All operations are on this drive except for the daily backup file Part 1) (/) Boot OS and installed programs - keep updated as needed Part 2) (??) Restore OS - minimum install for emergency use to restore to the boot OS I don't know how to do that yet Part 3) (/home) Shared data storage - home and group directories for each user and each user group Part 4) (/backup) Temporary file storage for administrator use only -- no need to backup or save Drive 1 - Removable -- A duplicate is exchanged periodically for backup. Part 1) (/) same as part 1 above but not mounted Part 2) (??) same as part 2 above but not mounted Part 3) (/home) same as part 3 above but not mounted Part 4) (/backup) Daily backup files stored here. Now, if Linux allows me to mount Drive 0 Part 4 as /private and Drive 0 part 4 as /backup during normal use, but then allows me to disconnect drive 1 and replace it with drive 1 and mount part 4 as /private and mount part 4 of the replacement drive as /backup without crashing when I do this, all is well. But if the partitions have to be assigned a directory name when they are formatted, I may be out of luck. Will Linux allow me to do this for backup or will I need to find another way to clone my drives? Thanks Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Mounting Drive Partitions
Thank you very much. It sounds like a little script for replacing the drive and I am set to go. Thanks again Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Hodgson Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mounting Drive Partitions On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 10:52:58PM -0400, Buck wrote: Now, if Linux allows me to mount Drive 0 Part 4 as /private and Drive 0 part 4 as /backup during normal use, but then allows me to disconnect drive 1 and replace it with drive 1 and mount part 4 as /private and mount part 4 of the replacement drive as /backup without crashing when I do this, all is well. But if the partitions have to be assigned a directory name when they are formatted, I may be out of luck. Honestly I didn't quite get what you're trying to do, but you can easily mount different filesystems on the same mount point at different times. The volume label, which i think what you're trying to say with directory name, is not a necessary part of the mount process and you can have multiple filesystems with the same volume name in the machine with no problems if you aren't mounting by volume name. Ie. mount /dev/hda4 /private ; do work ; umount /private ; mount /dev/hdb /private ; do other work ; etc You can also use the tune2fs command to change the volume name on an ext2 or ext3 filesystem if you want. Will Linux allow me to do this for backup or will I need to find another way to clone my drives? Linux will allow you to mount and unmount filesystems at will assuming there are no open files on the filesystem, regardless of the properties of the filesystem. -- Eat right. Exercise regularly. Die anyway. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Backup options and considerations
Sorry, I am using this on RHL 9. I got distracted and forgot to add the question about what backup software would be best. Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Dixon Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:40 AM To: Red Hat Mailing List Subject: Re: Backup options and considerations On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 00:25, Buck wrote: I am thinking about backup procedures for my server. [snip] I don't know what normal backup procedures look like, I don't think I have seen any since about 1990. Anyone have any helpful suggestions? I really don't grok what your real question might be, but it definitely doesn't sound like it has anything to do with Red Hat Linux. Perhaps you might invest in some good Backup/Restore literature or an experienced storage consultant, particularly if your company is so financially dependent on the data being handled properly. In short, I think this is off-topic for this list. -- Jason Dixon, RHCE DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Backup options and considerations
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Dixon Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 7:19 AM To: Red Hat Mailing List Subject: RE: Backup options and considerations On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 03:22, Buck wrote: Sorry, I am using this on RHL 9. I got distracted and forgot to add the question about what backup software would be best. If that's the case, please search the archives. This has been covered ad nauseum. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=redhat-listw=2r=1s=backupsq=b P.S. Please don't take this as a flame, but I'm curious. Why would you spend as much time writing up your original post, rather than just searching the archives? I'm really not trying to start an argument, I'm just wondering. -- Jason Dixon, RHCE DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net Not a problem on the flame, Dixon. It sounds like you read the long predecessor to this message. If so, did you notice the unique setup to the computer I am replacing? I think the value of this and my previous post both have been lost by being spit and me working on it at 3am. To briefly restate: I have a server setup in windows 2000 pro with custom partitions and removable hard drives all designed to restore server operations it the absolute minimum amount of time. I started by trying to lay out a Linux comparison, but after doing so realized that Linux may not be compatible to that same configuration. After that I forgot to include several questions I had in mind when I started. I intended to ask if what I had in windows could be easily duplicated in Linux or if there were a backup program best suited for that particular backup plan or if there were a better way to do this in Linux that I haven't learned yet. In my response above I only answered the statement about this being off topic and I deleted all the old message that I wasn't addressing at that time. Thanks for the link. I will be checking it out. Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: samba writable share
Did you set the permissions on the folders? Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene's Caltech Email Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 1:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: samba writable share im having trouble creating a writable share...i can access the share but cant write...heres my scheme: [global] # workgroup = NT-Domain-Name or Workgroup-Name workgroup = workgroup netbios name = linuxbox #security = user map to guest = Bad User [web] comment = web path = /var/www/html writable = true read only = no public = yes -- -Rene Enriquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] The devil will find work for idle hands to do! -The Smiths -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Remote Keyboard and mouse
I want to be able to setup a Linux server without a keyboard, mouse or monitor and control it remotely from another Linux computer on the network or through the internet. If I remember correctly, RH Linux has included this technology for several versions. Am I dreaming or where do I need to look to learn how? Thanks Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse
I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs. Is that what I want to study? Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reuben D. Budiardja Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse huh? ever heard of SSH? RDB -- Reuben D. Budiardja -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse
Thanks, I am a total newbie to Linux. Last night I just setup and configured my first successful file server. Its my first Linux install that allows me to do more than just surf the web. Command line instructions are probably all I need but I am curious if Gnome will operate thru SSH. While I find the graphical interface more pleasant than CLI, I have used and am not opposed to using the command line. I have two ideas for this in mind. One is to setup my server on a shelf under my desk out of the way and my Linux learning computer can go on the shelf above the desk with a monitor. My other idea is to setup a server at an office and be able to monitor, update, reconfigure, or backup the system from over the internet. I wouldn't mind being able to setup the users too, but since I don't have that same access to the workstations I would have to be present anyway, might as well get paid for it. Thanks again, Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reuben D. Budiardja Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse On Sunday 28 September 2003 05:30 pm, Buck wrote: I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs. Is that what I want to study? If you're running linux now and familiar with linux, by SSH-ing to the server, you will have all the comand-line control of the server from wherver you're now. If you're familiar with telnet, then SSH is a secure version of telnet. Provided the ssh server (sshd) is setup on the server, all you need to do (from console): $ ssh remoteserver.domain.com -l username and then enter your password. If ssh server is not setup on your remote server, then go look and the redhat manual / customization guide on how to set up SSH server. All the RPM needed is included in the distribution (openssh*), and if you're should be installed by default. If you don't know what SSH or Telnet is, probably you should look into reading for basic linux administration book. It is one of the most basic thing you need to know. RDB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reuben D. Budiardja Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse huh? ever heard of SSH? RDB -- Reuben D. Budiardja Department of Physics and Astronomy The University of Tennessee, Knoxville, TN - /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML \ / email and proprietary format X attachments. / \ - Have you been used by Microsoft today? Choose your life. Choose freedom. Choose LINUX. - -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse
A Wonderful answer. Thank you very much. It is on the list. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kent Borg Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Remote Keyboard and mouse On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 05:30:41PM -0400, Buck wrote: I have seen SSH referred to in several postings on the listservs. Is that what I want to study? Yes. Turn on the sshd service, ssh is great. It stands for secure shell, in its most common use, where one might have typed telnet someserver.com to do a text login, the smarter thing would be to type ssh someserver.com and do an encrypted login. At that point you have a text prompt and can do all those text-based things, and not even worry about someone listening in on your wireless connection. But ssh gets better. Once you are logged in over an ssh connection you can do X Windows graphical stuff where you run the program on the remote machine but the windows and buttons and all appear on the machine you are sitting at. (This can be slow over a slow connection.) And you can tunnel anything over an excrypted ssh link. You can consider that ssh includes sftp (secure ftp) and scp (secure copy). rsync is a great way to copy multiple files from one machine to another, and it can do all its work over an ssh connection. For unattended operations ssh can authenticate with a key file instead of requiring a typed password. If you really need to see the base screen and operate upon icons on the desktop, use the Redhat menu, etc., you can use VNC (Virtual Network Computing), do a man page on vncviewer and vncserver--but you want to run your VNC session over an ssh tunnel. So yes, go learn a lot of stuff (learning is fun) and make sure ssh is on the list. -kb P.S. ssh is a more complex protocol than telnet and so uses more more complicated software. This means it is more likely than simpler software to have bugs, and some of those bugs will be security bugs. Keep your software--including ssh--up to date. ssh has had some security recently, you want them. Lots of smart, paranoid, and careful use ssh and depend upon it for security, but they keep it up to date. Keep it up to date. Give it more time and I think they will stop finding bugs, but not yet. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse
I am curious to know Is there a way I can run the GUI on my local machine pointed to the remote machine? Thanks Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Remote Keyboard and mouse
Thanks, I would want the keyboard, mouse and monitor all to be on the remote computer. I guess I forgot to include that little detail. I'll have more specific questions in a few days after I set it up to use. I may have enough parts to make up a second computer for Linux. Buck -Original Message- keep in mind once you do this input and output devices are served by the remote machine. I don't know of a way to have the output (display) be on one machine and the keyboard and mouse on the local one. Bret Thanks Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Backup options and considerations
I am thinking about backup procedures for my server. I am currently using the following partitions on my Windows server: A) Main boot, OS and programs, B) Minimal OS install for restoring the OS if necessary, C) Data Partition for storing all shared data, D) Partition for storing drive images for mission critical work stations. Every day at midnight, the data is backed up to a file on a removable HDD identically configured (except that the backup files are stored on the D) partition). Additionally, a backup is made to a duty workstation left on Monday thru Thursday nights. The removable drives are exchanged at least once a week. Since Windows is less forgiving than Linux on changing hardware, a second computer identical to the server is used in location that is not mission-critical. If the server system fails, I swap the drive into the duplicate machine, or if the drive goes bad, I swap the removable drive with the internal boot drive. If possible, I transfer the current data from the old boot drive, or I restore the data from the duty workstation. Of course, if the worst nightmare occurs, loss of all computers due to a fire or total theft, I can use the removed drive to setup a new server quickly. The company for which I use this model starts having serious financial pains after as few as three hours of downtime depending on the time of month. (I just wish I had such protection on my own computer.) The restore process cannot restore an active operating system so I have to have the second install just in case. That was my thinking when setting it up, but if the internal drive and both removable drives all have a corrupt operating system, things are pretty bad. I set that up before I decided to use the removable drives. I don't know what normal backup procedures look like, I don't think I have seen any since about 1990. Anyone have any helpful suggestions? Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: connecting linux to internet
Try disabling the iptables temporarily. I had that problem on Knology. Once disabled, it worked. I will figure out why later when I have something worth protecting. I am afraid if someone wants to steal Linux they would be better to download the ISOs. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Croft Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:44 AM To: Red Hat List Subject: Re: connecting linux to internet On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 19:31, shibu varghese mathews wrote: hi i recently installed red hat linux 9 on my dell pc and am trying to connect to the internet through road runner cable modem. But i have so far been unsuccessful. can someone help me out? i tried dmesg | grep eth and this is what i got: divert: diver_blk allocated to eth0 i tried ifconfig and it seems to detect my NIC. Thanks, Shibu Shibu, is your ethernet interface set to DHCP? I run on Comcast with a Motorola cable modem and that is all I had to do. Ed -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: yum/apt-get (was Re: Fedora)
Up until Monday Up2Date was free for filling out a questionaire every two months. The $60 provided you with convenience and earlier access to binary downloads and free binary downloads of RHEL. Up2Date Demo was free for 2 months for each installation with a unique email address. At the end of 2 months, one would fill out a questionaire to extend the subscription for two more months. That was discontinued this week. As Alan said, its a good thing to support Red Hat anyway. Hopefully Fedora will pick it up from there. To me, it would make sense that Fedora picks up the up2date program if for no other reason than to attract financial support from those of us willing and able to pay the $50 - 60 per year. That's my $.02 worth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Peery Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: yum/apt-get (was Re: Fedora) Marc Adler wrote: Let me get this straight: I paid RH for update support for a year on two machines when I could've gotten the exact same thing for free? Yes, that's correct. Thanks for helping support Redhat, a company who has done a lot of good work for us all. I did my part by buying a boxed sets of Redhat, hoping to show local retailers there was some demand for it. Alan -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: yum/apt-get (was Re: Fedora)
Your boss is probably over reacting. What I gather from what I have read and heard, up2date will be available for the current RHL release until 6 months after the next one (Fedora). After that it will transfer to Fedora. That indicates to me that Fedora will be having up2dates as well. However, I have not heard whether or not Fedora will offer the priced version. Standard disclaimer: Always verify that what I say is correct. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin J. Weiss Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: yum/apt-get (was Re: Fedora) Up until Monday Up2Date was free for filling out a questionaire every two months. The $60 provided you with convenience and earlier access to binary downloads and free binary downloads of RHEL. Up2Date Demo was free for 2 months for each installation with a unique email address. At the end of 2 months, one would fill out a questionaire to extend the subscription for two more months. That was discontinued this week. As Alan said, its a good thing to support Red Hat anyway. Hopefully Fedora will pick it up from there. To me, it would make sense that Fedora picks up the up2date program if for no other reason than to attract financial support from those of us willing and able to pay the $50 - 60 per year. Lovely. I am one of those folks who don't *have* the $60 for the up2date and was willing to fill out the questionaire. When you say that it is discontinued, what exactly do you mean? I was able to install a program with up2date last night...are the demo accounts going to expire immediately, or a couple of months? I guess it's time to learn apt, damnit. Oh, and btw, my boss just told me that he put on hold our purchase of any further RH products (including RHAS, which we use as an Oracle9i server) until things settle down. Now he's looking at Suse, damnit. Ben -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
Getting technical here, I was referring to the technical upgrades from 9.0 to 9.2 or 10.0. I realize Fedora will upgrade Red Hat, but while Red Hat may have some equity in the name, we won't be upgrading to Red Hat Linux. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:19:41PM -0400, Buck wrote: I guess that because there is no .0 there will be no official upgrade. How you came to that conclusion is beyond me... You *can* upgrade from 9 to severn (the beta that most people guessed was going to be called 10). -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: How to access a Linux box behind a router?
You might also setup a DMZ on the router to allow open access to the box you want. It isn't recommended though. I believe I had to tell my router to open a couple of ports to a specific internal ip address to work. Of course, all kinds of problems complicate matters if your ISP is also using NAT in their operation. I have seen that a lot on DLS or ADSL. I know this isn't much help, but for what it's worth, its here. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodolfo J. Paiz Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to access a Linux box behind a router? At 02:45 9/23/2003, you wrote: That solution does it , but what if you just wanna forward all connections from My Host ( real IP) to the box behind the router which has a non rfc ip say 192.* , so i cant just port forward everything , do i put an acl that permits any to any from me , or NAT , say is a cisco router . If you want to forward EVERYTHING, look into one-to-one NAT. If not, maybe I didn't understand the question. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
My thoughts too. I can just picture the following happening all over the country: I am a small business manager. I have 5 or more employees using XP at home. I want a file server for my network. Since I have a number of users that are familiar with Windows and the cost is less than Red Hat, Which server should I choose? If, on the other hand, I had an option of a Red Hat server under $200 with the automatic updates, and installation and configuration help, Red Hat would be nice. Just a little learning curve and I just need to add and delete users as necessary. Does this sound logical from that point of view? Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnathan Bailes Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 10:09, Mike Vanecek wrote: [snip] What options are left to the SOHO server user if not Fedora or SUSE? I've never used anything except RH, but would like to start thinking about a fall back plan in case Fedora is too bleeding edge for my needs. Thank you Mike. That is exactly my point. There has to be that small deployment option. If Fedora is bleeding edge and RH Enterprise Workstation (which is not even supposed to be for small to medium server use) is $179 to $299 dollars then what the heck are people going to do? Suse is a pain because almost all vendor support is very Redhat focused. Suse support is a second thought. On top of that, they take a very Windows-like approach to configuration settings and do a lot of voodo behind the scenes that can muck with custom options. I am not trying to put nails in some non-existent RH coffin or spread FUD. Oh no, I just think that RH has to think about that small to medium size business market and offer a decent option. -- Johnathan Bailes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
I think that the real problem is that we once had available the download of the grand package and updates for $60.00 and now we can only get a part of the package and updates for $349. Sticker shock to those of us used to free. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Estabrooks Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:09:06 -0500 Mike Vanecek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I go on. I run RH9 at home. I used RH at the last place I worked. I do not like the behavior and configuration methods in Suse. SuSeConfig is an evil mess that can wax custom options on the next Online Update blah..blah.. blah. [snip] What options are left to the SOHO server user if not Fedora or SUSE? I've never used anything except RH, but would like to start thinking about a fall back plan in case Fedora is too bleeding edge for my needs. Both of these options are reasonably priced and give you more value, stability, and support for the money than you're likely to find elsewhere: http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/es/ server for $349 http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/ws/ workstation for $179 Good luck, Sean. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
Most business people know that 80% of their profits come from 20% of their customer base. Likewise, 80% of complaints, problems and expenses come from 20% of the customers. Needless to say those customers are seldom found in the 20% most profitable customers. There is no doubt that RH is in it for the money. They will go to where the money is. And I wish them well. Maybe some day they'll see me there, but if not, I'll keep on keeping on. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gh Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora mega-snip It looks like not enough people voted with dollars and cents to ensure that RedHat could provide the services you're looking for. I see no reason to believe that Fedora will be less stable than RHL 10 ... The net result of this resent change may very well lead to more improvments to Linux, better support for the High end, and better community involvment in the low and mid markets. I just don't see any reason to worry yet. Sean. ... The market has already set the intro price for most OS products and RH Enterprise Workstation exceeds that market price by about $100 US as I noted in my original mail. $179 dollars US is a high price to pay for the bottom line workstation install of a OS in comparison to many other distro offerings. -- Johnathan Bailes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my opinion RH is trying to set a clear, dividing line between: * The community/Fedora --- * The RH corporate/business model/stock market/RHEL Like many people here, I do not like the idea but there are great difficulties/pressures of not drawing that line. I hope that they made the right decision. But it is also a great opportunity for us to: * Show what the RH community is capable of * Build successful, entrepreneurial businesses around the community we are all members of and the markets left unserved by RH. My opinionated $0.02 gh -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
I mostly agree. I like the idea of an inexpensive version - with all features - that lasts with support for 12 - 18 months. That doesn't mean additional versions can't be released during that time, but support them long enough for us to know the product is reliable. I don't think 4 months is long enough to declare a system reliable. My 1/2 cents worth. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Sisler Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:37 AM To: RedHat List Subject: Re: Fedora Snip I think there needs to be something like this as well - something between Fedora and the Enterprise offerings, although I think a boxed set is optional. Something with a ~1 year release/support cycle, a little more mature than Rawhide and less costly than RH's Enterprise offerings. Something, in short, like what many of us were probably expecting when RH announced their community releases beginning with RH9. Perhaps Fedora will live up to and exceed these expectations - time will tell. Snip -Eric -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
Support What support? The products you listed are only the product and up2date for 1 year! The cost of these two products is actually $799 and $299 respectively. Look again my friend. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Estabrooks Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:43:59 -0500 Dave Ihnat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:25:00AM -0400, Sean Estabrooks wrote: Both of these options are reasonably priced and give you more value, stability, and support for the money than you're likely to find elsewhere: http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/es/ server for $349 http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/ws/ workstation for $179 This is a joke, right? You ARE joking? Not at all. Do you think you DESERVE support for free, do you have any place to get the support they offer CHEAPER? Can you provide what they provide for a better price ? Sean -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
What really has my attention is the contract associated with Red Hat. The contract requires a user to buy on server package for each computer its on. Even though GNU/open source says it can be freely distributed, Red Hat is negating that. In many cases, one copy of the software might be used on several machines and never need support, other than up2dates occasionally, but here we are with per-machine licenses again. (Yes, I am aware it isn't a license but the effect is the same). Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Estabrooks Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:05:28 -0600 Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean, in the corporate world you may be right, although even then, it strikes me that to take market share away from Windows, they should be cheaper. Given a two-year cycle of upgrades (not that common), it's $360 total which means it costs at least as much as Windows XP Professional, if not more. Same goes for servers, where we upgrade generally every three years: total cost of ES is $1,050 which was the cost of Windows licenses I was trying to avoid by moving servers to Red Hat. Well, you get a better product for that money but you're right it's not exactly cheap. I think it's _fair_ but i agree it might be out of range for some situations. However, that is not my primary point. What REALLY interests me is this: I, and thousands upon thousands of people, pay Red Hat $60/system/year for RHN service on RHL systems (either bought or downloaded). Typically we pay this for N machines, where probably 1 N 10. Together we are all a market which, in large part, simply cannot or will not afford WS, ES, AS, or even Mini-X. IMHO, Red Hat NEEDS to make sure that we are not forgotten or left out in the cold. You know that RedHat is bound by economic realities. I'm sure if there is a way to provide the services you want and turn a profit they will find a way to provide them. What exactly is it that Fedora does _not_ provide that you are willing to pay RedHat $60.00/server/year to get? Where, I ask, is RHEL-SS (SOHO Server)? Where is that $99/year price for SS which could serve as the first step for adoption of RH in corporate shops, or the only option for adoption of RH in very small shops? I WANT MY SOHO SERVER!!! Ed mentioned that perhaps such an offering is on the horizon. I'm struggling to imagine how they will differentiate it from Fedora and Enterprise. Editor's Note: I have a lot of faith in Red Hat, and I will give them every possible benefit of the doubt. I also recognize that the just launched Fedora Core YESTERDAY, and that we have worked ourselves into a lather in only 24 hours. So I will wait patiently for them to issue lots of other announcements which I'm sure will make things clearer. But today, at this point, so far, I do not see a product offering from RH which I can be _sure_ meets my needs and price point. THIS is my concern. Agreed. Regards, Sean -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
Correct me if I am still wrong, but my understanding was that RHL offered all the features of AS but without the convenient package. The items would have to be individually installed as needed. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rodolfo J. Paiz Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fedora At 11:01 9/23/2003, you wrote: I think that the real problem is that we once had available the download of the grand package and updates for $60.00 and now we can only get a part of the package and updates for $349. Sticker shock to those of us used to free. No, you're mixing things here (and I don't see why you feel you only get part of the package with RHEL-ES). Here are the two real options you have now (from what we know), and a third just to show it doesn't belong with the real two options: 1. You had the free package available for, well, free, and Red Hat did not provide automatic updates. However, you _could_ get those using other tools like yum, current, and apt-get. Fedora will still be free, still downloadable, _and_ the community will ensure that apt-get, yum, and current work well. Gained a little, lost nothing. 2. You could get auto updates from Red Hat for $60/year. Now you can get auto updates from Fedora for $0/year. Gained a savings of $60/year, lost nothing (just changed the command you run from up2date to apt-get or something else). Red Hat loses here, not you. The one that shouldn't be mixed in: 3. You could move to an entirely different product which is RHEL, with entirely different pricing, capabilities, and support. Gain or loss is irrelevant, since this option should not be compared to RHL/Fedora anyway. Windows Advanced Server, Oracle Enterprise, even Acura/Honda provide comparisons... RHEL is a different animal, and the fact that it costs more makes no difference since, if you really needed it, you would have bought it anyway even if there had been an RHL 10. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
My sentiments exactly. But add this. If I can support the product, I get a customer. Along with that, I would purchase a boxed edition for the customer to put on his shelf, and at least a minimal support package so I can call for help should I need it. I think it would be great if the Server package were available with a basic installation and configuration guide and 2 months of up2date included for $100.00; Additional support packages for $100 per hour/incident -- prepaid gets priority support; and for $50-75, a years Up2date extension. For less than the price of a Microsoft server, I could sell them installation and support their server for a year. Better bargain than MS. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Ihnat Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:46:46AM -0400, Sean Estabrooks wrote: Not at all. Do you think you DESERVE support for free, do you have any place to get the support they offer CHEAPER? Can you provide what they provide for a better price ? I don't need support. I need a packaged, recognizable product that clients will feel comfortable with, and for which they *can* buy support if they end up needing it. At that price break, I'll get a lot of clients who'll figure If the costs for RedHat are so high, let's go with Windows--it's at least the devil we know. Fedora ain't going to cut it in that arena. -- Dave Ihnat [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
My answer you quoted below are in response to a statement that WS is only $179 with support and ES is $349 with support. I corrected him by saying that the prices with support are $299 for WS and $799 for ES. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Estabrooks Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:31:20 -0400 Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Support What support? The products you listed are only the product and up2date for 1 year! The cost of these two products is actually $799 and $299 respectively. Look again my friend. Actually you're wrong Buck. Go look. We're not talking about telephone suport. Nobody was getting telephone support for $60 dollars a year. Buck. Please, tell me what it is that you're willing to pay for that is _not_ provided by Fedora? More importantly tell me what it is in the Enterprise options you're not willing to pay for? They have to decide their business plan for themselves and their shareholders. I think they're making good decisions. RedHat is NOT going to drop their Enterprise prices down. There is a market willing to pay those prices and recognise the VALUE. i'd be impressed if someone here can articulate what they're willing to pay for above Fedora and not willing to pay for (ie. can be removed) from the Enterprise offerings. Sean. I'll try to articulate. I don't like the fact that each and every computer needs to be licensed (for a comparative term). If I could buy ES for $200 and copy it to my hearts delight I would have no arguments, probably little argument over the $350, but in order to buy it you have to sign a contract agreeing not to distribute the software to others or to install it on more than one computer. If you do you are in violation of their agreement. (How did I do?) Clarifying another statement. I was told by the salesman on the phone the following paraphrase Red Hat Linux contains everything that is in Red Hat Enterprise AS, it is just packaged differently. WS and ES are subsets of the AS and do not contain everything in AS therefore my assumption is that for one to purchase a copy of ES for $349, one only gets a subset of what RHL 9 has and one year of Up2Date. That is why I say that the cost jumped from $60.00 to $349 for less than we were getting. I agree that there may be another way to get the updates without paying the $60 and there always has been. The $60 was just a convenience fee and helped support RH in the long run. I certainly feel we should do what we can to support Red Hat and the developers. I can't help with the code, but I can help support RH a little. I can't afford to buy the AS package even if I had a buyer for it. Normally I would sell one package to the client and keep a copy for myself to help me learn and support it. This is the same problem I have with MS. I don't get a free copy of MS Server and it's illegal to copy. Something else that comes to mind is that Red Hat eliminated several packages available with support in lew of this current product line. While I don't remember all the details, they were more affordable. Money is relative. Bill Gates might spend $10,000 per machine to have a computer in each room of his house. Even though my house is much smaller, that same expense would exceed the value of my house if I did that. As far as what is available on Fedora, we can only speculate. Right now Fedora doesn't exist (if that's the name of the software, I know the project exists), until it does, the only thing we have is Red Hat 9 and RHEL. IF the salesman told me correctly, I have most, if not all of the items in AS already. I just need to learn how to install and use them. After thinking about this, I think I finally figured out what I have actually lost: my plans to use RH and support it. I will still use RH (9) and I'll just have to re-evaluate how I will support it. It just wont be as convenient as originally planned. Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
W2KP to RH9 expectations?
Hello everyone! :) I have been using and maintaining peer-to-peer networks since WFW 3.11 and now I want to learn how to use Red Hat Linux 9.0 to use as servers for full networks. My pilot project is to replace a Windows 2000 Pro computer that is acting as a dedicated file server. The current configuration: 6 W2KP workstations are networked thru a hardware firewall/cable-router that acts as a DHCP server. The functions of the server that need to be replaced are: 1. All workstations' My Documents folders are pointed to private folders on the server. 2. Three programs have shared data. Each user has access to one or two of these programs but only management has access to all three. Each program has a folder mapped to a common drive letter used by each computer. i.e. Prog1 is drive X: on all computers that have access, prog2 is drive Y: on the computers that use it, etc. 3. Backup the changed files on the operating system on Drive 0 (internal) to a backup partition on drive 1 (removable). 4. Backup the entire data partition from drive 0 to drive 1. 5. Scan the server with Norton Antivirus. 6. Access the internet periodically for MS and Norton updates and occasionally browse the web. 7. Keyboard access is restricted to the Network Administrator only. New Functions: 1. Firewall - I want to close all non-mission critical ports on the server. I'll keep the browser on it for occasional use but the only other reason to access the net will be the updates and when I get there, remote administration of the server from my office. 2. Remote administration/VPN. If I understand this correctly, I can connect a Linux computer at my office to the Linux server and basically do anything from here that I could do from the keyboard at the server. The VPN can be handled by the router and may not require the server for that. 3. Remain Reliable! The 2k computer has had one down day in the last 2.5 years. I'd like to keep that record. For those of you experienced in this, what kinds of things do I need to look out for and what can I expect? I'll be asking more specific questions along the way as I learn more. Thank you, Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
W2KP to RH9: Samba User Group Folder Access
I am unable to access anything other than my home folder from my XP computer. Linux is setup as follows: User: buck Member of buck and processors Groups: buck, processors Folders: /home/buck, /home/processing, /home/shared Properties: (/home/processing) From the Linux computer, I can access, read, write and delete to the buck or processing folder but not shared. From my XP computer (username buck and password the same as the Linux user) I have access to buck and shared, but not processing. My Network Places shows buck on Samba Server (Linux) and shared on Samba Server (Linux). My install was based on duxcw.com (http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/software/linux/rh/90install/1.html) I changed WORKGROUP to Wildlife wherever I found it (My home network workgroup). I guess this would be easier to figure out if both computers were wrong in the same way, but this is definitely strange to me. Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: W2KP to RH9: Samba User Group Folder Access
Thank you, Here is the Samba File (smb.conf) Buck # Samba config file created using SWAT # from penguin.Wildlife.lan (192.168.1.1) # Date: 2003/09/22 09:31:14 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = WILDLIFE netbios name = PENGUIN server string = IBM 300 security = SHARE encrypt passwords = Yes obey pam restrictions = Yes pam password change = Yes passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u passwd chat = *New*password* %n\n *Retype*new*password* %n\n *passwd:*all*authentication*tokens*updated*successfully* unix password sync = Yes socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 guest account = pcguest hosts allow = 192.168.1. 127. [shared] comment = Shared read/write directory for all LAN users and guests path = /home/shared public = Yes only guest = Yes writable = Yes printable = No [homes] comment = Home directories valid users = %S read only = No create mask = 0664 directory mask = 0775 browseable = No -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Staudenmayer Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:12 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: W2KP to RH9: Samba User Group Folder Access Let me see the smb.conf. -Original Message- From: Buck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:44 AM To: RH List Subject: W2KP to RH9: Samba User Group Folder Access I am unable to access anything other than my home folder from my XP computer. Linux is setup as follows: User: buck Member of buck and processors Groups: buck, processors Folders: /home/buck, /home/processing, /home/shared Properties: (/home/processing) From the Linux computer, I can access, read, write and delete to the buck or processing folder but not shared. From my XP computer (username buck and password the same as the Linux user) I have access to buck and shared, but not processing. My Network Places shows buck on Samba Server (Linux) and shared on Samba Server (Linux). My install was based on duxcw.com (http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/software/linux/rh/90install/1.html) I changed WORKGROUP to Wildlife wherever I found it (My home network workgroup). -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
Being a newbie to all this, I am a little confused. Here's what I am reading, someone tell me if I am right or wrong. 1. a) I just downloaded the free ISOs of Red Hat, booted my computer and installed RH 9.0 directly from them. b) This will no longer be available. c) Red Hat will make source code available for their Enterprise software at no cost. d) In order to get and use it for free, I have to compile all the sourcecode and produce my own executables etc. 2. a) The Fedora Project is sponsored by Red Hat to help produce products similar to the 9.0 I just downloaded. b) Instead of downloading Red Hat ISOs, I will now be downloading Fedora ISOs to continue upgrading and working with my free version of Red Hat Linux. 3. Will the Fedora Project Releases be compatible to existing Red Hat? In other words, can I upgrade what I have to Fedora or will I have to start with Fedora from scratch? 4. Will the Red Hat Enterprise software be allowed to be compiled and distributed freely without support? I can see a new market on ebay for Red Hat ÕÑrprise compiled CDs and ISOs. What else am I missing? Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
Thank you for your reply. I just talked to sales on the telephone. From what he said, all the features of the Red Hat Enterprise product is available on the internet, just not assembled the same. Version 2 is based on RH 7.1 (or 2) and version 3 will be based on RH 9.0. In purchasing the enterprise products, a buyer has to sign a contract requiring them to have only one machine per support contract or the contract is voided. IF someone compiles all the free source code, they could (I believe, based on the conversation) distribute the disks, however, that doesn't account for the updates Red Hat makes. They may not be freely available except to subscribers. Either compiling all the options or consolidating all the necessary files for an Advanced server can get you a legitimate copy for free, but the ease of installation, support, and updates will be more difficult, if not impossible to keep up with. As for the Up2Date, it seems to me that if that feature goes away, then someone will recreate or modify it to be more flexible. i.e. Create a version that retrieves RPMs from volunteer sites or from a server. In other words, I download the rpms and save them on a server. The Up2Date upgrade on all my other computers sees the updates and does its thing or I can assign a url or ip address to gather the updates from someone elses site. (Just a guess, I guess.) Well, for now there is still a big cloud. I guess it will be lifted sometime during the next 30 days. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 03:14:35PM -0400, Buck wrote: Being a newbie to all this, I am a little confused. Here's what I am reading, someone tell me if I am right or wrong. 1.a) I just downloaded the free ISOs of Red Hat, booted my computer and installed RH 9.0 directly from them. b) This will no longer be available. Wrong. You'll still be able to download the free ISOs of Fedora. c) Red Hat will make source code available for their Enterprise software at no cost. They always have. This isn't changing now. d) In order to get and use it for free, I have to compile all the sourcecode and produce my own executables etc. Right. You still won't get updates - RHEL is subscription based, unlike most traditional products. 2.a) The Fedora Project is sponsored by Red Hat to help produce products similar to the 9.0 I just downloaded. Right. b) Instead of downloading Red Hat ISOs, I will now be downloading Fedora ISOs to continue upgrading and working with my free version of Red Hat Linux. Right. 3.Will the Fedora Project Releases be compatible to existing Red Hat? In other words, can I upgrade what I have to Fedora or will I have to start with Fedora from scratch? Severn is the current beta for Fedora. You can upgrade from RHL 9 to Severn, although updates to/from betas are not (never have been) supported. Whether or not you can upgrade from a future product to an even more future product is pure speculation at this point. I doubt that even Red Hat knows (although they may have goals). 4.Will the Red Hat Enterprise software be allowed to be compiled and distributed freely without support? I can see a new market on ebay for Red Hat ÕÑrprise compiled CDs and ISOs. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
Hmmm, your cert expires at RH 12 and they just backed up to 3.0? Sounds like your cert could be around a while longer than you expected. LOL ;) Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Dixon Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:01 PM To: Red Hat Mailing List Subject: Re: Fedora snip Previously, my certification was due to expire around RH 12. I have no idea now. Snip -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
I know, I was just making a joke out of it. Lol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Dixon Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:35 PM To: Red Hat Mailing List Subject: RE: Fedora On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 17:23, Buck wrote: Hmmm, your cert expires at RH 12 and they just backed up to 3.0? Sounds like your cert could be around a while longer than you expected. LOL No, it was based on the original Red Hat product. I passed the RHCE when 7.2 was current and RHAS was just starting to gain traction in the marketplace. -J. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Dixon Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:01 PM To: Red Hat Mailing List Subject: Re: Fedora snip Previously, my certification was due to expire around RH 12. I have no idea now. Snip -- Jason Dixon, RHCE DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: W2KP to RH9: Samba User Group Folder Access
I changed the name before sending the config file. I just re-installed Linux and am starting over. I have to reconfigur from scratch at this time. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Dekkers Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: W2KP to RH9: Samba User Group Folder Access Buck wrote: Thank you, Here is the Samba File (smb.conf) Buck # Samba config file created using SWAT # from penguin.Wildlife.lan (192.168.1.1) # Date: 2003/09/22 09:31:14 # Global parameters [global] workgroup = WILDLIFE netbios name = PENGUIN Netbios name is Penguin??? Is this what you were talking about before? You said that My Network Places said 'Buck on Samba Server (Linux)'. That is in fact impossible with the config file you're using. It should say 'Buck on Samba Server (Penguin)'. Maybe it's as simple as the server using the wrong config file? Regards, Ed. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
If there is no 9.0 what am I running? Shrike is 9.0! I have both 8.0 and 9.0 cds. Do you need the url? http://www.redhat.com/apps/download/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 05:20:42PM -0400, Buck wrote: I just talked to sales on the telephone. From what he said, all the features of the Red Hat Enterprise product is available on the internet, just not assembled the same. Version 2 is based on RH 7.1 (or 2) and version 3 will be based on RH 9.0. I've heard it's based on 8.0. There is no 9.0. In purchasing the enterprise products, a buyer has to sign a contract requiring them to have only one machine per support contract or the contract is voided. We purchased ES over the web. We didn't sign anything. The license agreements are on the web - they're public, so consult your own lawyer to see what you are and aren't allowed to do. Either compiling all the options or consolidating all the necessary files for an Advanced server can get you a legitimate copy for free, but the ease of installation, support, and updates will be more difficult, if not impossible to keep up with. Please note that Red Hat is only obligated under the GPL to distribute the sources to those it distributes the binaries to, and that they don't have to make those available via public FTP/Web servers. If too many people take away from Red Hat's revenue stream, I would expect them to tighten down the hatches. As for the Up2Date, it seems to me that if that feature goes away, then someone will recreate or modify it to be more flexible. i.e. Create a version that retrieves RPMs from volunteer sites or from a server. In other words, I download the rpms and save them on a server. The Up2Date upgrade on all my other computers sees the updates and does its thing or I can assign a url or ip address to gather the updates from someone elses site. (Just a guess, I guess.) There are already up2date clones out there. Some people won't trust them as much as they trust Red Hat though, especially in an enterprise environment where you may need your security hole closed *now*. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Fedora
LOL Ok you got me. I guess that because there is no .0 there will be no official upgrade. Maybe this was in the works longer than RH is letting on. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fedora On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:48:49PM -0400, Buck wrote: If there is no 9.0 what am I running? Shrike is 9.0! Shrike is Red Hat Linux 9. It's not 9.0. I have both 8.0 and 9.0 cds. Nope - you've probably got 8.0 and 9. Do you need the url? Nope - I'd just prefer it that people refer to the product by its proper version number/name. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Any indication of if/when there will be a RH10 ???
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that a year ago, I was downloading the freshly released RH 8.0. Do a search on Google. I saw a review about 10.0 yesterday. Unfortunately I don't remember where. It was a first look at the beta. BTW when did 9.0 release? Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Any indication of if/when there will be a RH10 ??? This will probably start a firestorm of additional posting, for which I am sorry, but, I seem to remember that at this time last year I was downloading RH9 CD's. With RedHats 'new business model', is there any indication that there ever will be a RH10? If so any indication of when I might appear? As for me, I think RH is cutting their own throat with these changes, and its going to go down the same toilet that Sun has (checked their price on the stock market recently?), its those of us on Workstations that determine who/what gets put on the servers (I want to keep my life as simple as possible), and if they decide to ignore the WS market, they're going to find that they have a LOT less of the server market to boot... -- Reg.Clemens [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Windows to Linux
You might also do a search on Google. I found a couple of places that try to help in that matter. Good luck, we're in the same boat. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joe Polk Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows to Linux You might want to check your local bookstore. There are some books that are aimed specifically at the Windows user looking to venture into Linux. You can consult the various HOW-TO's and do Google searches on various questions, but if you want a good consolidated reference, a good intro to Linux book might prove best. Many times Linux How-To's don't really address a particular feature from a Windows perspective. Here is a link to an article that may also help: http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux4Windows/Linux4Windows01/Linux4Windows_ 01_01_ Story-01.html JAV -- Original Message --- From: Jonathan Hardisty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:15:44 +0200 Subject: Windows to Linux Hi I've been working with Windows systems for the last 12 years and I'm very new to Linux. Are there any resources that explain/help the move from Windows to Linux? Things like.. What is the equivalent to Windows Explorer? shortcuts keys Where to find the windows equivalent of x? etc. Regards Jonathan Hardisty Technical Project Manager DLK Consulting (021) 531 9403 (T) (021) 531 5199 (F) *** ALL VIEWS OR OPINIONS EXPRESSED HEREIN ARE MY PERSONAL VIEWS ONLY AND IN NO WAY REFLECT THOSE OF MY ORGANISATION, UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED. The contents of this message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee's use and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message, any retention, distribution, copying or use of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, kindly notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then destroy the message and any copies thereof. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message must be understood as neither given nor endorsed by DLK Consulting or DLK Recruitment and may be personal to the sender. Since e-mail communication cannot be guaranteed to be secure, DLK Consulting and DLK Recruitment does not make any representation or give any guarantee concerning the confidentiality, security, accuracy or completeness of any e-mail. Any liability for viruses is excluded to the fullest extent permitted by law. *** -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list --- End of Original Message --- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: VPN opinions
Are the computers you want to connect on networks? I bought two Netgear VPN Firewalls to do that. Unfortunately the two routers/firewalls are 25 miles away and I have not succeeded in getting the remote access to the firewall working so I can setup the vpn feature without driving across town all day. I did have one setup computer to computer with Windows 2000. I just setup native VPN connections between the two computers and setup the routers to open a DMZ for each computer. I then setup firewalls on each computer to protect them. That feature worked great for one computer to one computer. Now I want to setup the firewalls so I can link into the entire network. Unfortunately, Netgear has not been much help so unless someone else on the list has done better and knows something I don't, I won't recommend netgear. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of kmiller01 Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VPN opinions I'm looking for opinions on VPN's. We're planning to set up a VPN between a couple of our offices, they won't have to interoperate with any Windows machines or any other clients, just the 2 machines talking to each other to link 2 networks. Do any of you guys have an opinion about the best VPN scheme to use? Tnx, Kerry Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: u.s. government recognizes Linux as
I think it is interesting that Microsoft was named as OS for home and small business since I believe the govt is its biggest customer. As for Linux, I don't think it has made it to the home yet, but I believe it is one of the biggest, if not the biggest operating system for Internet networks. As an experiment, I am trying to setup a Linux computer as an office computer running ALL FREE software. It doesn't mean I won't pay for some software in the office, but I want to see if I can setup at least one computer in the network in which there is NO software cost and make it powerful and usable for the business. I have a home business right now and I am learning Linux and it's software. First I want to create a server then I'll work on the desktop idea. Just my .01, if its worth that much. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert P. J. Day Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: u.s. government recognizes Linux as SNIP 1) carefully avoided laying any specific blame by name, 2) made absolutely *no* mention of the possibility of the use of open source to increase security, and 3) most hysterically, specifically named windows and linux as operating systems for home and small business use i just thought the irony was worth sharing. rday -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: allowing short passwords
I looked around, but in all my ignorance, didn't see anything. I get the feeling that it is in the compiled code or possibly in the kernel. But, don't count on my answer, I can barely find an RPM. Good luck, Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of pilip Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: allowing short passwords yes sir, i could actually go with any password lesser than 5 but im trying to aim for a single char. only root can change the passwrds of users to a single char but ordinary users can't change their passwords to single characters. im on rh8.0 too. maybe a prayer will do it :D Buck wrote: Philip, Are you having one of those, I just need an answer days? I set one users password to 4 characters in mine for testing purposes. As root, I changed the password and it fussed, but it took it. I am using RH 8.0, btw. Good luck, Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: mysql
Let me take a shot at my now born knowledge: Insert disc 3 From the command line as root type: Rpm -ivh /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/my* I think that will do it or try Up2date my* And see if Red Hat will update it. Good luck Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Steve Strong Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mysql Does anyone have a short, succinct algorithm for setting up MySQL on RedHat 8? I don't even see a package that installs the client. I installed all of the packages that had MySQL in their name, but when I try to set root's permissions for MySQL, I get error messages complaining that I don't have permission to do so. Any help would be greatly appreciated. steve -- Steve Strong Computer Science Teacher Washington High School 2205 Forest Dr. SE Cedar Rapids, IA52403 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://crwash.org telephone: 319-398-2161 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: lokkit
RH 8.0 has done away with ipchains and uses iptables exclusively. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Elacion, Jr. Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: lokkit lokkit with RH 7.3 Mike Burger wrote: Not unless there's a lokkit included with RH8. On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Andy Elacion, Jr. wrote: Is there a way for lokkit to use iptables instead of ipchains. Thanks, Andy -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org:2000 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: allowing short passwords
Philip, Are you having one of those, I just need an answer days? I set one users password to 4 characters in mine for testing purposes. As root, I changed the password and it fussed, but it took it. I am using RH 8.0, btw. Good luck, Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of pilip Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: allowing short passwords it's not on a networked environment sir, i know this is possible in linux (to use single character passwords) i just need to know how to do it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:53:47AM +0800, pilip wrote: how do you allow the use of short passwords in linux? short passwords as in single character passwords. I've tried making changes to '/etc/login.defs' and to the pam config '/etc/pam.d/system-auth' to no avail. Hi Pilip. root can set a user's passwd to anything you want, but.. DON'T DO IT !! Passwords this short are just a waste of the user's time at login. If you are going to have them that short you might as well not have any at all. Cracking 1 letter passwords is so easy it can be done by hand from the keyboard. Using any one of the many crack tools available would make it practically instantaneous. The man page for passwd will give you all the details. passwd [-k] [-l] [-u [-f]] [-d] [-S] [username] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: email server with private 192.168.1.200 address
Am I correct in understanding that you want the email servers in a closed network for testing and educational use only rather than for connection through the internet? Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: email server with private 192.168.1.200 address FWIW: I have 3 registered domains -- all pointing to a single public IP on my linux/iptables based firewall. My sendmail server sits behind this firewall (in a DMZ) with a private IP address. I use iptables to port forward tcp/25 to this dmz server. I just configure sendmail to handle virtual domains so that all 3 domain names are considered local. I understand what you are saying. But I want to learn Qmail and that is the MTA I am setting up on my other server. What about making my main redhat sendmail server a relay for my other domain?? (with caution of course) So rainbow.mydomain.com sendmail server is a relay for steelhead.mydomain.org qmail server. Is that possible? If I do that, what happens to the email as it passes thru the open relay? Does it manipulate the headers at all? I would like my qmail server to act as if it were a real public mail server. Andy -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Phoebe - 8.0.93
Nodeps is no dependants. That is why it is more likely to disrupt your system. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gordon Messmer Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Phoebe - 8.0.93 On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 03:01, Jose Celestino wrote: Words by Gordon Messmer [Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 05:59:32PM -0800]: I agree, and I'll add: chastise whoever gives you the advise to use --nodeps unless they give you a very clear explanation of why it's appropriate emin that specific instance/em. I use --nodeps, along with -F, for upgrades. I dislike having any upgrade scripts running (don't know what they're really doing) and I dislike rebooting also, for that matter. --nodeps doesn't have anything to do with rebooting, and it doesn't disable scripts. --noscripts does that. Regardless of how you feel about scripts, --nodeps and --noscripts are only likely to break your system. Scripts don't change your settings, or bluecurve your system. They mostly configure new packages or fix things that need to be moved. Dependencies are what they sound like. Every package (mostly ;) is going to require other things to run: programs need linkers, libraries, or interpreters. Dependencies describe what a program *depends* on to function normally. Ignoring them is like ignoring that your car depends on gas. Ok, I'll do some verify in the end but I won't give up the --nodeps. I wouldn't like to have my system bluecurve'd or tampered in any other nasty way, I've got used to it as it is... Beside that I know what I'm doing (famous last words) :)) No offense, but you don't appear to. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Burning CD's of 8.1 beta
Do you have more than one installed cd drive or a cd and dvd? I had to disconnect one of the drives because it couldn't make up its mind which drive the disc was in. (vs 7.2). 8.0 only worked from the DVD drive. This is probably a shot in the dark for you, but I hope it is helpful Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Schwendt Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Burning CD's of 8.1 beta -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:05:46 -0500, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; I've burned about a dozen coasters now. I'm doing something very wrong. I have the iso images of the 8.1 beta. I've burned iso's before, and they always worked. But not this time. Has something changed? Here's the problem: I burn the 3 CD's. Insert #1 boot: Machine boots, and starts loading normally. It reaches the part about asking for disc 2, and it refuses to accept the one I put in. I've checked the downloads, the md5sums are fine. I've used the check media at the begining of the install, they all check out fine. Mounting them, shows them looking very normal. But the install won't recognize them. Is this the first version of Red Hat Linux were this happens to you? If I put in #1, and autorun kicks in, it says that the operation requires disc 1, and instructs you to insert it.. but it's already in the drive. What am I missing? If the discs need to be labled, what do they need to be labeled to? No. Everything you need is stored in the ISO images already. An ISO image is a raw copy of an ISO 9660 file-system. When you burn the image to CD and the burnt CD passes the MD5 checksum or media-check, your problem is something else. Maybe you switched disc #2 and disc #2 or anything like that? Are you sure you really have the first three discs? ;) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+L/6Q0iMVcrivHFQRAgC8AJwLuiHQlbA7G57ZgPLACym2VCPiDQCfS/Mt vEYGTHFKFfSr3iRRW5JQWXc= =vfFB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: (no subject)
Squirlmail is included. I am too new to know how to get it once you have installed it, but when you install Linux, one step is where you can select the different components. In the list is email server, check it, and you will notice something like 5 of 7 items selected, click the link and it lists the services available. One of those is squirl mail. I saw that today when I was installing it. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Roger Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:22 PM To: RH Mail List Subject: (no subject) Hi All I am running RH8. I wonder if there is a web-based email reader integrated in RH8 just like Squirrelmail? Thanks
RE: How do I unsuscribe
I think I remember that it takes a while for the list to be updated before you are actually removed. Maybe you will be removed by tomorrow. Just my .02 worth. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joshua Schmidlkofer Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I unsuscribe On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 16:24, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:02:19PM -0800, Bailey, Larry wrote: Yes. I tried the web interface as well as the e-mail. Neither work. Could you define doesn't work? Emmanuel Note his previous posts, doesn't work seems to be defined by sent-it-to- '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. =). js -- Joshua Schmidlkofer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: How do I unsuscribe
Did he spell Unsubscribe correctly when he sent the email? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joshua Schmidlkofer Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do I unsuscribe On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 16:24, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:02:19PM -0800, Bailey, Larry wrote: Yes. I tried the web interface as well as the e-mail. Neither work. Could you define doesn't work? Emmanuel Note his previous posts, doesn't work seems to be defined by sent-it-to- '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. =). js -- Joshua Schmidlkofer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: Advance Server build iso cd
Is the advanced server build available for free to the public or is it proprietary to Red Hat? I downloaded the 8.0 isos and created the discs but it looked like the only way to get advanced server was to pay RedHat. Thanks Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeff Bearer Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Advance Server build iso cd To roll your own you would need the sources, which can be downloaded for free. You paid for a support contract and if you roll your own distro, RH isn't going to support it, so it looks like you wasted your money. On Tue, 2003-01-21 at 09:43, Alessandro Fiorenzi wrote: I have bought advanced server but I would like to try to roll my own iso distribution but I do not know how to start anyone have made this before? Thanks Alessandro -- Jeff Bearer, RHCE Webmaster, PittsburghLIVE.com Winner 2002 Eppy Award, Best U.S. Newspaper Website -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
VNC
Has anyone successfully set up VNC with Redhat 8.0? I can start vncserver successfully and connect from a remote client, however I do not get any window manager, only a grey screen with cursor. -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: VNC--or other remote X tools
So: Since there seems to be some debate about the choice of VNC how about I broaden the question; Can I get opinions on the best way to have a small population of Windows users (3) connect to X-Windows sessions in a lan environment to utilize X-applications, with a freely available reliable solution. - Original Message - From: Robert P. J. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: RE: VNC On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Patrick Nelson wrote: Chip Buck wrote: - Has anyone successfully set up VNC with Redhat 8.0? I can start vncserver successfully and connect from a remote client, however I do not get any window manager, only a grey screen with cursor. - Yes I use to run vnc and I had a plethora of scripts and utilities that I spent countless hours perfecting. Wow it really works so well... Then came ssh! I set it up to do public-private key authentication. Now, I no longer use vnc at all. huh? how exactly does ssh replace the functionality of VNC? or are there features of ssh with which i am unfamiliar? (probably, yes). rday -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: NAT and Redhat 8.0
Would you not use DHCP server? I am a newbie in Linux, but that's my guess. Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NAT and Redhat 8.0 Is there an easy way to turn NAT on with redhat 8. I have it setup stock with 2 Nics, one pointed at the cable modem and the other at my internal lan...I have the medium firewall stuff started... and now I'd like to offer up addresses to my internal network (192.168.100.xxx) Thanks Carl Engstrom -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: ipconfig --- SOLVED!
Len, You are absolutely right! Even reading your email almost a dozen times I overlooked that that was an f and not a p. I even tried installing rh 7.2 again and upgrading it to 8.0 to see if ipconfig would be there. I tried again installing EVERYTHING! And it is still installing. I'll abort the install and go back to what I was using. Thanks again. Buck -Original Message- From: Len Philpot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 8:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ipconfig On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:28:26PM -0500, Buck wrote: At least in the second chapter where these files are listed, rarp isn't used so it may not be missing or needed, but ipconfig is definitely needed. I'm not the one to comment definitively on networking under Linux, but are you sure it's ipconfig? The only place I've seen that is Windows. Under *nix, there's ifconfig, which controls the NIC, assigns IP addresses, netmasks, etc. For example, 'ifconfig -a' will give a fair amount of status info on your network adapters. 'ifconfig eth0 down' will shut down the driver instance for the eth0 NIC. While you're at it, you might want to look into ifport. You can set port speeds and such with it. -- +-+ | Len Philpothttp://philpot.org/ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (alt) | +-+ -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: What do I need to do to run Windows apps.
You may also setup for a dual boot between Linux and windows. That way you can use Linux until you need cold fusion or other programs. Its not perfect but an option until things get better. Good luck Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Anthony Abby Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 11:45 AM To: redhat-list Subject: Re: What do I need to do to run Windows apps. On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 11:11, RedHat wrote: I am very new to Linux and absolutely love it. I want to make the switch to Linux but I have some Windows based application that I can't be without. I have heard about running Windows apps on Linux but am not sure what I need to do. I am getting ready to load Red Hat 8. The apps that I am most concerned with are Cold Fusion Studio, Cold Fusion MX, and Photoshop. What you're looking for is called wine. Check out http://www.winehq.com/ for more info... and http://www.codeweavers.com/home/. But even with wine loaded up, it's not as if every windows app runs in Linux. Rather a select set of applications, that is constantly growing, runs in linux. I don't think Cold Fusion Studio is one of them however. You should look for the Cold Fusion MX for Linux, rather than try to run the windows version Ignore photoshop entirely! Use the GIMP! check out http://www.gimp.org Anthony -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
ipconfig
Howdee to all list members: I am very new to Linux. In fact, as of Monday I had not as much as seen a computer running Linux. Tuesday I took up installing and learning Linux. I downloaded Red Hat 8.0 from the internet and made CD-ROMS and practiced installing it in different configurations several times. Today I picked up a book by Red Hat Press called 'Red Hat Linux Internet Server'. There appears to be three files and one directory missing from my install. The book lists 12 important applications and scripts (p 24). There are two files that result in 'command not found' messages: arp/rarp (arp works but not rarp) and ipconfig. At least in the second chapter where these files are listed, rarp isn't used so it may not be missing or needed, but ipconfig is definitely needed. Can someone please tell me where to find it? Thanks very much Buck -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
