Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

[Tyler Pitchford]

I think a lot of people have been waiting for easier installs to use
it. So we can start telling other to use it. Damn fine project I must
say, damn fine.

Cheers,
 Tyler

On 5/5/06, Oliver Dohmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

i`ve forgotten to reply to this thread :)

Only a short status from my side.
The Modeleditor is still work in  progress but atm i have no time. Working
on a RIFE/Laszlo Project at the company.

 Any suggestions for new features welcome. But i think that it is not used
by anyone atm.

cu odo


2006/4/29, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
>
> Emmanuel,
>  Nothing stopping you.  Just get started and when you are ready,
submit a patch to the associated Jira(s).  Use the Jira comments to
communicate.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > meant to say *not* eclispse-specific
> >
> > On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Jeremy,
> > >
> > > RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially
> > > since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you
> > > want me.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Emmanuel
> > >
> > > On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Emmanuel,
> > > >  I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse.  These are very
broad and
> > > > each will require multiple parts.  Look over the open Jira to see if
there
> > > > is anything you are interested in.  If you want clarification on any
of the
> > > > Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate.
> > > >
> > > > Take care,
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > Emmanuel
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >  Today we have actually started committing code to the
rife-ide
> > > > Eclipse
> > > > > > plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the
building
> > > > blocks
> > > > > > are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with
the RIFE
> > > > > > nature which will later allow for functionality specific to
RIFE.
> > > > Expect to
> > > > > > see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.  If
you want
> > > > to
> > > > > > get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Take care,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeremy
> > > > > >
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

[Oliver Dohmen]

Hi, i`ve forgotten to reply to this thread :) Only a short status from my side. The Modeleditor is still work in  progress but atm i have no time. Working on a RIFE/Laszlo Project at the company. 
Any suggestions for new features welcome. But i think that it is not used by anyone atm. cu odo 2006/4/29, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:Emmanuel, Nothing stopping you.  Just get started and when you are ready, submit a patch to the associated Jira(s).  Use the Jira comments to communicate.
Take care,Jeremy
On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

meant to say *not* eclispse-specificOn 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Jeremy,
>> RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially
> since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you> want me.>> Cheers,> Emmanuel>> On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Emmanuel,> >  I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse.  These are very broad and> > each will require multiple parts.  Look over the open Jira to see if there
> > is anything you are interested in.  If you want clarification on any of the> > Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate.> >> > Take care,> >> > Jeremy> >
> >> > On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)
> > >
> > > cheers,> > > Emmanuel> > >> > > On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > Hi all,
> > > >  Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide> > Eclipse> > > > plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building> > blocks
> > > > are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE> > > > nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.> > Expect to> > > > see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.  If you want
> > to> > > > get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > >> > > > Jeremy> > > >
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

[Jeremy Whitlock]

Emmanuel, Nothing stopping you.  Just get started and when you are ready, submit a patch to the associated Jira(s).  Use the Jira comments to communicate.Take care,Jeremy
On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
meant to say *not* eclispse-specificOn 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Jeremy,>> RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially
> since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you> want me.>> Cheers,> Emmanuel>> On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Emmanuel,> >  I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse.  These are very broad and> > each will require multiple parts.  Look over the open Jira to see if there
> > is anything you are interested in.  If you want clarification on any of the> > Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate.> >> > Take care,> >> > Jeremy> >
> >> > On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)> > >
> > > cheers,> > > Emmanuel> > >> > > On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > Hi all,
> > > >  Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide> > Eclipse> > > > plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building> > blocks
> > > > are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE> > > > nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.> > Expect to> > > > see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.  If you want
> > to> > > > get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > >> > > > Jeremy> > > >
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

[Emmanuel Okyere]

meant to say *not* eclispse-specific

On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jeremy,

RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially
since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you
want me.

Cheers,
Emmanuel

On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Emmanuel,
>  I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse.  These are very broad and
> each will require multiple parts.  Look over the open Jira to see if there
> is anything you are interested in.  If you want clarification on any of the
> Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate.
>
> Take care,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)
> >
> > cheers,
> > Emmanuel
> >
> > On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >  Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide
> Eclipse
> > > plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building
> blocks
> > > are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE
> > > nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.
> Expect to
> > > see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.  If you want
> to
> > > get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > Jeremy
> > >
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

[Emmanuel Okyere]

Jeremy,

RIFEECL-4 and RIFEECL-5 look quite straight-forward, and especially
since they are eclipse-specific, I guess I could handle those if you
want me.

Cheers,
Emmanuel

On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Emmanuel,
 I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse.  These are very broad and
each will require multiple parts.  Look over the open Jira to see if there
is anything you are interested in.  If you want clarification on any of the
Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate.

Take care,

Jeremy


On 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)
>
> cheers,
> Emmanuel
>
> On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >  Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide
Eclipse
> > plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building
blocks
> > are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE
> > nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.
Expect to
> > see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.  If you want
to
> > get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Jeremy
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

[Jeremy Whitlock]

Hi All, I have just updated the Wiki with information on the RIFE/Eclipse resources:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/EclipseOnce we have the plugin doing something more than associating the RIFE nature, I will update you all and the Wiki with installation/usage information.
Take care,JeremyOn 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)cheers,EmmanuelOn 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Hi all,>  Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse
> plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks> are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE> nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.  Expect to
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

[Jeremy Whitlock]

Emmanuel, I have created a few Jira for RIFE/Eclipse.  These are very broad and each will require multiple parts.  Look over the open Jira to see if there is anything you are interested in.  If you want clarification on any of the Jira, let me know and I'll elaborate.
Take care,JeremyOn 4/29/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)cheers,EmmanuelOn 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Hi all,>  Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse
> plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks> are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE> nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.  Expect to
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

[Emmanuel Okyere]

yes, still on-board and waiting to follow your lead :)

cheers,
Emmanuel

On 4/29/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi all,
 Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse
plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks
are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE
nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.  Expect to
see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.  If you want to
get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started.

Take care,

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[Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin Development Underway

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Hi all, Today we have actually started committing code to the rife-ide Eclipse plugin.  As of right now, the plugin doesn't do much but the building blocks are being built.  As of now, you can associate a project with the RIFE nature which will later allow for functionality specific to RIFE.  Expect to see quicker turnaround on this project from this point on.  If you want to get involved, just let me know and we'll get you started.
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

[Jeremy Whitlock]

Geert,    Cool.  If you need more clarification or see a better way to put it, please let me know.Naren, Not yet.  There is the rife-modeleditor that Oliver has written that does work. Check out the Wiki on how to install it.
Take care,JeremyOn 3/16/06, Naren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,Is any pllugin ready to use ? Can we get it to test/use ?Regards- Original Message -From: "Geert Bevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "RIFE users list : questions,bug reports and suggestions."
<rife-users@uwyn.com>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 11:40Subject: Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin> Hi Jeremy,>> apart from the RIFE project and launch types, I think that this page
> cover pretty much what we have talked about wrt. IDE support in the> past:> http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins>> Hope that helps.
>> Best regards,>> Geert>> On 17-mrt-06, at 01:29, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:>> > Hey all,> >  I have updated the Wiki:> >> > 
http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse> >> > by removing the rife-jumpstart information and with new rife-ide> > information.  Since we never really decided what features we would
> > like to get out of this, there isn't much more information we can> > provide.  That being said, we need to hear from you guys to get an> > idea of what you would expect out of a RIFE Eclipse plugin.  Once
> > we have this, the sooner we can put together a feature roadmap and> > put together a plan.> >> > Take care,> >> > Jeremy> >> > P.S. - The more we talk about this, the sooner we can plan it out,
> > get it working and prosper.  ;)> >> > On 3/15/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi Jeremy,> >> > I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin is
> > working, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project  and launch> > types instead. That should be sufficient.> >> > Best regards,> >> > Geert> >
> > On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:> >> > > Hey all,> > >  I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and> > > rife-jumpstart plugins.  Here is the url:
> > >> > > http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse> > >> > > In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to
> > > a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself.> > > I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with> > > one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself.  That
> > > being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide> > > instead unless anyone objects.  Here are my thoughts backing this> > > decision:> > >> > > The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment
> > > with RIFE in a controlled environment.  To actually experiment, you> > > add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and> > > view.  I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this
> > > in Eclipse.  Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a> > > RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the> > > rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone?
> > >> > > That being said, I await your response.  I will then update the> > > Wiki and begin working accordingly.  Sorry for the delay but as> > > most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has
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[Naren]

Hello,
Is any pllugin ready to use ? Can we get it to test/use ?

Regards


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> Hi Jeremy,
>
> apart from the RIFE project and launch types, I think that this page
> cover pretty much what we have talked about wrt. IDE support in the
> past:
> http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Geert
>
> On 17-mrt-06, at 01:29, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >  I have updated the Wiki:
> >
> > http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse
> >
> > by removing the rife-jumpstart information and with new rife-ide
> > information.  Since we never really decided what features we would
> > like to get out of this, there isn't much more information we can
> > provide.  That being said, we need to hear from you guys to get an
> > idea of what you would expect out of a RIFE Eclipse plugin.  Once
> > we have this, the sooner we can put together a feature roadmap and
> > put together a plan.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > P.S. - The more we talk about this, the sooner we can plan it out,
> > get it working and prosper.  ;)
> >
> > On 3/15/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi Jeremy,
> >
> > I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin is
> > working, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project  and launch
> > types instead. That should be sufficient.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Geert
> >
> > On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:
> >
> > > Hey all,
> > >  I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and
> > > rife-jumpstart plugins.  Here is the url:
> > >
> > > http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse
> > >
> > > In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to
> > > a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself.
> > > I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with
> > > one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself.  That
> > > being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide
> > > instead unless anyone objects.  Here are my thoughts backing this
> > > decision:
> > >
> > > The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment
> > > with RIFE in a controlled environment.  To actually experiment, you
> > > add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and
> > > view.  I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this
> > > in Eclipse.  Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a
> > > RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the
> > > rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone?
> > >
> > > That being said, I await your response.  I will then update the
> > > Wiki and begin working accordingly.  Sorry for the delay but as
> > > most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

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Hi Jeremy,

apart from the RIFE project and launch types, I think that this page  
cover pretty much what we have talked about wrt. IDE support in the  
past:

http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins

Hope that helps.

Best regards,

Geert

On 17-mrt-06, at 01:29, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:


Hey all,
 I have updated the Wiki:

http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse

by removing the rife-jumpstart information and with new rife-ide  
information.  Since we never really decided what features we would  
like to get out of this, there isn't much more information we can  
provide.  That being said, we need to hear from you guys to get an  
idea of what you would expect out of a RIFE Eclipse plugin.  Once  
we have this, the sooner we can put together a feature roadmap and  
put together a plan.


Take care,

Jeremy

P.S. - The more we talk about this, the sooner we can plan it out,  
get it working and prosper.  ;)


On 3/15/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi Jeremy,

I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin is
working, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project  and launch
types instead. That should be sufficient.

Best regards,

Geert

On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:

> Hey all,
>  I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and
> rife-jumpstart plugins.  Here is the url:
>
> http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse
>
> In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to
> a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself.
> I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with
> one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself.  That
> being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide
> instead unless anyone objects.  Here are my thoughts backing this
> decision:
>
> The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment
> with RIFE in a controlled environment.  To actually experiment, you
> add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and
> view.  I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this
> in Eclipse.  Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a
> RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the
> rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone?
>
> That being said, I await your response.  I will then update the
> Wiki and begin working accordingly.  Sorry for the delay but as
> most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has
> to come first sometimes.  ;)
>
> Take care,
>
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Re: [Rife-users] RIFE Eclipse Plugin

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Hey all, I have updated the Wiki:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipseby removing the rife-jumpstart information and with new rife-ide information.  Since we never really decided what features we would like to get out of this, there isn't much more information we can provide.  That being said, we need to hear from you guys to get an idea of what you would expect out of a RIFE Eclipse plugin.  Once we have this, the sooner we can put together a feature roadmap and put together a plan.
Take care,JeremyP.S. - The more we talk about this, the sooner we can plan it out, get it working and prosper.  ;)On 3/15/06, Geert Bevin
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi Jeremy,
I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin isworking, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project  and launchtypes instead. That should be sufficient.Best regards,Geert
On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:> Hey all,>  I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and> rife-jumpstart plugins.  Here is the url:>> 
http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse>> In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to> a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself.> I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with
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> view.  I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this> in Eclipse.  Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a> RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the
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Hi Jeremy,

I think that's a correct assessment. When the rife-ide plugin is  
working, I'll adapt RIFE/Jumpstart to use the new project  and launch  
types instead. That should be sufficient.


Best regards,

Geert

On 16-mrt-06, at 02:13, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:


Hey all,
 I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and  
rife-jumpstart plugins.  Here is the url:


http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse

In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to  
a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself.   
I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with  
one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself.  That  
being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide  
instead unless anyone objects.  Here are my thoughts backing this  
decision:


The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment  
with RIFE in a controlled environment.  To actually experiment, you  
add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and  
view.  I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this  
in Eclipse.  Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a  
RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the  
rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone?


That being said, I await your response.  I will then update the  
Wiki and begin working accordingly.  Sorry for the delay but as  
most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has  
to come first sometimes.  ;)


Take care,

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Hey all, I have updated the Wiki for the plans for the rife-ide and rife-jumpstart plugins.  Here is the url:http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/Eclipse
In doing so, I realized that I do not think there is any benefit to a rife-jumpstart plugin as it would not really be used by itself.  I am trying to think of all use cases but I have not come up with one where this plugin would actually be useful by itself.  That being said, I would like to remove it and just have the rife-ide instead unless anyone objects.  Here are my thoughts backing this decision:
The RIFE Jumpstart, as it is now, is a way for you to experiment with RIFE in a controlled environment.  To actually experiment, you add sources and content to the Jumpstart directory structure and view.  I do not think that this is a usable scenario for doing this in Eclipse.  Since, in the end, we want to have the concept of a RIFE project and RIFE launch types, why not just do this in the rife-ide plugin since you will never use these features standalone?
That being said, I await your response.  I will then update the Wiki and begin working accordingly.  Sorry for the delay but as most open source developers know, the work that pays your job has to come first sometimes.  ;)
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Well said!

On 13-jan-06, at 21:34, Emmanuel Okyere wrote:


Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE
already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why
re-invent the wheel?


Eddy, I don't think we are re-inventing the wheel here, just adding to
what is already available to make it 'more easier' to move from
resource to resource... for instance, being able to link from an
implementation attribute in the site configuration to the actual
compilation unit will be a big boost... also having problem markers
for stated compilation units that do not exist shd help a lot... all
in all just adding to the tools already available to make RIFE a
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> Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE
> already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why
> re-invent the wheel?

Eddy, I don't think we are re-inventing the wheel here, just adding to
what is already available to make it 'more easier' to move from
resource to resource... for instance, being able to link from an
implementation attribute in the site configuration to the actual
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

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Geert, Earlier this approach of my plugin was referred to as Jumpstart For Eclipse.  That made me think and really, we have two options here:1)  Port my plugin to Rife allowing for users to configure the plugin to "manage" multiple Rife instances.
2)  Create a Server Launch Configuration like Web Tools does for web projects so that when you run/debug that application, it will seamlessly fire up the server instance hosting that application, deploy it and initialize it.
These are two totally different things.  Here are my thoughts on these:1)  This would be cool if we wanted to be able to have a user point to a live/existing Rife installation and work against it.  With this setup, we would also be able to provide deploy-time visualization of the Rife components (Elements and such) within the Eclipse gui all as one view, similar to how WebLogic visualizes the different deployment types in my plugin.  We would also be able to build around this with the other tooling ideas from the rest of the team.
2)  This would be the least obtrusive requiring no configuration by the end user.  The user would create a Rife project and then would run/debug their Rife project without any visualization of the project and no ties to an external Rife instance.  The user would be able to configure different Launch Types, so that each type could have different environments like JVM and such.  We could still build all features around this approach as well.
Summary:Neither offer any edge over the other as far as the ability to deliver features to the end user.  One it built around the developer but also provides an administrative portion to the plugin (Option 1) while the other is solely developer centric.  It is really up to the community as to how to build this effectively but I do think that either solution will work with the outcome being the same.
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Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE 
already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why 
re-invent the wheel?


I'll try a RIFE project template for NetBeans first before going for a 
full-blown plugin.


I don't think that anybody here wants to reinvent the wheel. What we do 
want, I think, is to reuse what's there as much as possible; but extend 
and integrate it to make your life as a RIFE developer easier.


I think that a project template is indeed the first step, since a plugin 
will need to know about the classpath and your repository and such. You 
need to declare that somewhere.


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Hey all, Ideally, it would be nice to have a plugin structure that would be easily ported to the other main Java IDEs.  (NetBeans and IntelliJ)  Obviously things would change slightly and this might be a huge task but I think that this should be the approach.  Obviously we would need developers that can take an idea, like we've provided, and create the proper translation to their respective IDE.  Hopefully we have enough expertise and time.  :)
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Jeremy Whitlock wrote:> Eddy,>  Eclipse provides that as well.  What I mean by templates is to be> able to go to File > New and see Rife stuff there that would create> template Rife applications ready for hacking for their business need.
> We then would integrate into the content assist to allow for Java/XML> assistance for the Rife sources.  Did I get your message wrong or are we> talking about the same things?Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE
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Hmmm... True, seems very useful. I will try to replicate this in 
NetBeans as I'm pretty sure I saw a tutorial on how to define new syntax 
highlighting rules.


I glanced over the NetBeans docs to do that once I think. It doesn't 
seem to be hard indeed, if I recall correctly.


Mind you, I am only discussing the plugin from a NetBeans POV as any 
development will surely be helpful for all parties regardless of what 
IDE they use. So please do not think that I'm off-topic and just 
evangelising NetBeans.


Please do! It would be great to have both NetBeans and Eclipse as fully 
suported IDEs with nice plugins.


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Jeremy Whitlock wrote:


Eddy,
 Eclipse provides that as well.  What I mean by templates is to be 
able to go to File > New and see Rife stuff there that would create 
template Rife applications ready for hacking for their business need.  
We then would integrate into the content assist to allow for Java/XML 
assistance for the Rife sources.  Did I get your message wrong or are we 
talking about the same things?


Yes, we are talking about the same thing. As I'm saying, if the IDE 
already provides features to ease RIFE development that much, why 
re-invent the wheel?


I'll try a RIFE project template for NetBeans first before going for a 
full-blown plugin.


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Geert Bevin wrote:

Hi Eddy,

those lexers would be for RIFE-specific highlighting of template tags 
for instance, like the yellow you see here:

http://rifers.org/03_numberguess/src/templates/guess.html.html

I have this setup in X-develop with a plugin since several months and I 
really find it very helpful.


Hmmm... True, seems very useful. I will try to replicate this in 
NetBeans as I'm pretty sure I saw a tutorial on how to define new syntax 
highlighting rules.


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To both Geert and Eddy:Geert, That is exactly what I was thinking.  The plugin would be a lot like Jumpstart in it's packaging and stuff and would allow for download and learn/develop capabilities.  We could then either build upon this plugin to create our Rife "IDE" or we could have multiple plugins for different things but package them together as one feature (To make it where you can download/install one thing instead of many) and make sure they all work together.
Eddy, Eclipse provides that as well.  What I mean by templates is to be able to go to File > New and see Rife stuff there that would create template Rife applications ready for hacking for their business need.  We then would integrate into the content assist to allow for Java/XML assistance for the Rife sources.  Did I get your message wrong or are we talking about the same things?
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> https://jhighlight.dev.java.net/>> We can reuse the lexers and other parts if required for the plugin.The more I read about your vision of the plugin, the more I find that
NetBeans already provides facilities to do that.If you look at the attached screenshot (sorry for posting screenshots,but I find it hard to illustrate for non-NetBeans users), you will see that:1. the web site structure is obvious from the tree structure in the
project window2. there is syntax highlighting and auto-completion for RIFE XML files3. XML configuration files and Element subclasses are readily acccessibleThe only feature that you requested but I cannot do yet is the ability
to click/right-click on a class definition to open the correspondingdeclaration in the correct XML file.Maybe for NetBeans all that is required is not a plugin, but a projecttemplate in a similar way to RIFE/Jumpstart. I will see if this feasible.
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Hi Eddy,

those lexers would be for RIFE-specific highlighting of template tags 
for instance, like the yellow you see here:

http://rifers.org/03_numberguess/src/templates/guess.html.html

I have this setup in X-develop with a plugin since several months and I 
really find it very helpful.


The more I read about your vision of the plugin, the more I find that 
NetBeans already provides facilities to do that.


If you look at the attached screenshot (sorry for posting screenshots, 
but I find it hard to illustrate for non-NetBeans users), you will see 
that:


1. the web site structure is obvious from the tree structure in the 
project window


2. there is syntax highlighting and auto-completion for RIFE XML files

3. XML configuration files and Element subclasses are readily acccessible


I don't see much difference with when you browse the jumpstart directory 
structure. This is just implicit to how RIFE structures things itself. 
The XML tag completion is nice though, but you get that with Eclipse WTP 
too iirc. Maybe I'm overlooking something in your screenshot though.


My main issue is about code hyperlinking, ie. to go easily from your 
Java code to the Element declaration, or the template, etc etc. Without 
having to search for it. When you have a project with hundreds of 
elements and templates, that are organized in a hierarchy, this is a 
very welcome addition. It's not that you can't find them again easily 
yourself, it's that you save a couple of seconds each time you have to. 
This all just contributes to the general comfort while coding.


Best regards,

Geert

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 Sounds good. I do have to say porting my plugin to Rife would be 
quick but I don't mind doing that later.  We can follow your model and


I think the main thing here is that I never saw your plugin. I'll make 
some time tomorrow morning to install Weblogic and your plugin. Like 
that I can see what it offers and give more educated comments on how 
what could be reused. By all means, since you know your work the best, 
if you think that certain parts are useful for this plugin, tell us :-)


When Oliver told that it sounded cool since it would be like a jumpstart 
for Eclipse, that made me think 'aha!'. Maybe your plugin could be used 
for that, but that we bundle a version of Jetty with the RIFE plugin. 
Like this, people really can get started right away, and I think that a 
lot of your work would apply. What do you think?


based on user/developer needs, we'll make changes accordingly.  To 
provide what you are looking for, we basically should do the following 
in Eclipse-speak:


We need a plugin that extends the Java Project but is a Rife Project.  
This will be similar to how Web Tools does it's thing.  This will allow 
for Eclipse-aware Rife types that we can use later to do Rife things 
when modified and such.  We then need to create Rife templates.  
Following that we should probably figure out a way to add Rife-aware 
features like code assist, code templates, infopop help and the likes.

>

How does this sound?


Sounds good! I'll have a look at Spindle too (the Eclipse plugin for 
Tapestry) to see how they do certain things. People speak very highly of 
it, so there might be some ideas to snitch ;-)


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Geert, Cool.Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, but IIRC it also uses JFlex for the lexers. This means that thelexers of JHighlight can be reused.Jeremy Whitlock wrote:> Geert,>  Wouldn't we just hook into the Eclipse syntax highlighter and
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Yes, but IIRC it also uses JFlex for the lexers. This means that the 
lexers of JHighlight can be reused.


Jeremy Whitlock wrote:

Geert,
 Wouldn't we just hook into the Eclipse syntax highlighter and 
extend it for the Rife Eclipse types?


Take care,

Jeremy

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https://jhighlight.dev.java.net/

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Geert, Wouldn't we just hook into the Eclipse syntax highlighter and extend it for the Rife Eclipse types?Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, 
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Geert, Sounds good. I do have to say porting my plugin to Rife would be quick but I don't mind doing that later.  We can follow your model and based on user/developer needs, we'll make changes accordingly.  To provide what you are looking for, we basically should do the following in Eclipse-speak:
We need a plugin that extends the Java Project but is a Rife Project.  This will be similar to how Web Tools does it's thing.  This will allow for Eclipse-aware Rife types that we can use later to do Rife things when modified and such.  We then need to create Rife templates.  Following that we should probably figure out a way to add Rife-aware features like code assist, code templates, infopop help and the likes.
How does this sound?Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Great recap and replies!I think that the plugin should first focus on making the development of
RIFE applications easier. Managing production installations and stufflike that would be interesting, but I think that should be left forlater. This would also benefit from adding JMX support to RIFE, which I
plan on doing sometimes in the future.I think that the first step to take is to make it easy to setup a RIFEproject with Eclipse with all the information that the plugin wouldrequire. This includes the classpath elements, libraries and what is to
be considered part of the web application. From there onwards we can work our way through the structure of a RIFEapplication itself. Adding support for the repository with nice formsfor adding participants (and knowledge of those that ship with RIFE).
Views for setting up the datasources and a configuration manager couldbe up next. These should all be aware of RIFE-specific types and namesand not provide generic key-value property editors. I personally always
found those to be awkward.The next step would then be the site structure itself. There's a lot towrite about that, let's detail it later.One thing that could be interesting wrt the starting, stopping and
management is adding an easy way to launch RIFE out-of-container tests.The plugin could maybe extend or reuse the TestNG (or JUnit - yuck -)plugin and allow you to automatically startup your project without a
servlet container to start running one or several tests. Just an idea.Let's leave the debugging for a later step, unless someone is reallydedicated to get that working. Having that integrated with the visual
editor would be the nicest. I would concentrate on making the life ofthe developer a lot easier to manage the code and run it, afterwards wecan focus on these more advanced features.Jeremy Whitlock wrote:
> Wow...a lot of stuff going on.  Here are my comments:>> Geert,>  While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of> Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container, like
> Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment.  (This would> also allow for us to debug Rife applications.)  That is what would be> started and stopped.  As for your ideas of visualizing a site and it's
> components, that is definately a reality.  Working with local/remote> servers would be available as well as Eclipse supports both.>> JR,>  Oliver and I have started discussion on this.  The plan is to take
> the features of my WebLogic plugin, porting them to Rife and then> integrating Oliver's plugin into it.>> Oliver,>  Debugging facilities are easy.  My plugin already provides them.
> For the modeling of Rife, we just need to know what to model and if we> want to model the actual breakpoints and visually view the app running> somehow, the APIs already exist in Eclipse.>
> All,>  This idea isn't a half baked idea.  We have a very powerful and> extendable IDE at our hands.  We also have great developers with> experience in all technologies involved.  I do not see us having a
> problem with coming up with an idea and making it so.>> Take care,>> Jeremy>> On 1/13/06, *Geert Bevin* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>>  >> What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to>  >> visually see the site structure and to be able to set
> breakpoints and>  >> watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that> you can>  >> visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data
>  >> and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and>  >> declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be>  >> reloaded automatically without restarting the server.
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

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I just want to mention JHighlight, which we could use for syntax 
highlighting of RIFE templates. It uses JFlex as a lexer and has full 
support for creating syntax highlighted HTML files:

https://jhighlight.dev.java.net/

We can reuse the lexers and other parts if required for the plugin.
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Great recap and replies!

I think that the plugin should first focus on making the development of 
RIFE applications easier. Managing production installations and stuff 
like that would be interesting, but I think that should be left for 
later. This would also benefit from adding JMX support to RIFE, which I 
plan on doing sometimes in the future.


I think that the first step to take is to make it easy to setup a RIFE 
project with Eclipse with all the information that the plugin would 
require. This includes the classpath elements, libraries and what is to 
be considered part of the web application.


From there onwards we can work our way through the structure of a RIFE 
application itself. Adding support for the repository with nice forms 
for adding participants (and knowledge of those that ship with RIFE). 
Views for setting up the datasources and a configuration manager could 
be up next. These should all be aware of RIFE-specific types and names 
and not provide generic key-value property editors. I personally always 
found those to be awkward.


The next step would then be the site structure itself. There's a lot to 
write about that, let's detail it later.


One thing that could be interesting wrt the starting, stopping and 
management is adding an easy way to launch RIFE out-of-container tests. 
The plugin could maybe extend or reuse the TestNG (or JUnit - yuck -) 
plugin and allow you to automatically startup your project without a 
servlet container to start running one or several tests. Just an idea.


Let's leave the debugging for a later step, unless someone is really 
dedicated to get that working. Having that integrated with the visual 
editor would be the nicest. I would concentrate on making the life of 
the developer a lot easier to manage the code and run it, afterwards we 
can focus on these more advanced features.


Jeremy Whitlock wrote:

Wow...a lot of stuff going on.  Here are my comments:

Geert,
 While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of 
Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container, like 
Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment.  (This would 
also allow for us to debug Rife applications.)  That is what would be 
started and stopped.  As for your ideas of visualizing a site and it's 
components, that is definately a reality.  Working with local/remote 
servers would be available as well as Eclipse supports both.


JR,
 Oliver and I have started discussion on this.  The plan is to take 
the features of my WebLogic plugin, porting them to Rife and then 
integrating Oliver's plugin into it.


Oliver,
 Debugging facilities are easy.  My plugin already provides them.  
For the modeling of Rife, we just need to know what to model and if we 
want to model the actual breakpoints and visually view the app running 
somehow, the APIs already exist in Eclipse.


All,
 This idea isn't a half baked idea.  We have a very powerful and 
extendable IDE at our hands.  We also have great developers with 
experience in all technologies involved.  I do not see us having a 
problem with coming up with an idea and making it so.


Take care,

Jeremy

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 >> visually see the site structure and to be able to set
breakpoints and
 >> watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that
you can
 >> visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data
 >> and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and
 >> declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be
 >> reloaded automatically without restarting the server.
 >
 > for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model
editor.
 > The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can make
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Oliver, I'll re-read my EMF and GEF books over the weekend.  I'm sure that if I can find the APIs to get the proper information, we can model/visualize it.Take care,JeremyP.S. - I will take out the easy adjective though.  ;)
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Hi,>> Geert,>  While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of> Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container,> like Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment.
> (This would also allow for us to debug Rife applications.)  That is> what would be started and stopped.  As for your ideas of> visualizing a site and it's components, that is definately a> reality.  Working with local/remote servers would be available as
> well as Eclipse supports both.>This will be great. It sounds a little like Jumpstart as a plugin.>> Oliver,>  Debugging facilities are easy.  My plugin already provides
> them.  For the modeling of Rife, we just need to know what to model> and if we want to model the actual breakpoints and visually view> the app running somehow, the APIs already exist in Eclipse.>
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Hi,


Geert,
 While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of  
Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container,  
like Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment.   
(This would also allow for us to debug Rife applications.)  That is  
what would be started and stopped.  As for your ideas of  
visualizing a site and it's components, that is definately a  
reality.  Working with local/remote servers would be available as  
well as Eclipse supports both.



This will be great. It sounds a little like Jumpstart as a plugin.





Oliver,
 Debugging facilities are easy.  My plugin already provides  
them.  For the modeling of Rife, we just need to know what to model  
and if we want to model the actual breakpoints and visually view  
the app running somehow, the APIs already exist in Eclipse.



Ok :) GEF needs a little help to work that easy.


All,
 This idea isn't a half baked idea.  We have a very powerful  
and extendable IDE at our hands.  We also have great developers  
with experience in all technologies involved.  I do not see us  
having a problem with coming up with an idea and making it so.


Think so too. It`s possible to handle with Eclipse. And with it`s  
Architecture is open for further extensions from other contributors.


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Wow...a lot of stuff going on.  Here are my comments:Geert, While the starting/starting of Rife isn't really a function of Rife, we will want to be able to start/stop and embedded container, like Jetty/Tomcat, to allow us to control the Rife environment.  (This would also allow for us to debug Rife applications.)  That is what would be started and stopped.  As for your ideas of visualizing a site and it's components, that is definately a reality.  Working with local/remote servers would be available as well as Eclipse supports both.
JR, Oliver and I have started discussion on this.  The plan is to take the features of my WebLogic plugin, porting them to Rife and then integrating Oliver's plugin into it.Oliver, Debugging facilities are easy.  My plugin already provides them.  For the modeling of Rife, we just need to know what to model and if we want to model the actual breakpoints and visually view the app running somehow, the APIs already exist in Eclipse.
All, This idea isn't a half baked idea.  We have a very powerful and extendable IDE at our hands.  We also have great developers with experience in all technologies involved.  I do not see us having a problem with coming up with an idea and making it so.
Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data>> and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and>> declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be
>> reloaded automatically without restarting the server.>> for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model editor.> The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can make this in
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What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to 
visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and 
watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can 
visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data 
and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and 
declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be 
reloaded automatically without restarting the server.


for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model editor. 
The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can make this in 
Version 3.0 :)


Yes, that was what I was thinking about too :-)

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Hi,

What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to  
visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints  
and watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that  
you can visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow  
the data and logic flow. This could be tied to the actual  
implementations and declarations and offer some round-trip coding  
features that can be reloaded automatically without restarting the  
server.


for this we can try to combine the debug facility and the model  
editor. The will be tricky ! And it takes some time. Maybe we can  
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Geert Bevin]

For those that are not on our IRC channel, we're also discussing this in 
parallel there atm. You can get the logs here:

http://servlet.uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/rife/20060113

Jeremy Whitlock wrote:

Hey all,
 I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He 
seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to 
get it started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track 
proven record to do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably 
perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic 
plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project 
and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was 
asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about 
the plugin.  I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my 
plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.  To check this out, 
visit here:


https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/

Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start 
brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.


Take care,

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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Geert Bevin]

i don't think fixed file locations should be our major concern...
probably, we should think about what preferences we can add in to
allow people more flexibility with the system;


Of course it's not the major concern, I was just warning to not go that 
road. There's no reason why the plugin can't use its own copy of the 
RIFE classes and resolve the resources in exactly the same way. That 
would be the least effort, because everything already exists and it 
would be fully compatible.


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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Emmanuel Okyere]

i don't think fixed file locations should be our major concern...
probably, we should think about what preferences we can add in to
allow people more flexibility with the system;

-- eokyere

On 1/13/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> wowz... tons of reponses already... lol
>
> On 1/13/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Geert posted a sort of roadmap here
> > http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins; i think it's a good
> > place to start... like Geert, I'm prepared to put effort into this if
> > we can get it started.
> >
> > -- eokyere
> >
> > On 1/13/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> > >  I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He
> > > seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get 
> > > it
> > > started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record 
> > > to
> > > do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to 
> > > how
> > > the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was
> > > written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than
> > > the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most
> > > recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin.  I was surprise at how many
> > > BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the
> > > work.  To check this out, visit here:
> > >
> > >  https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start
> > > brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > >  Jeremy
> > >
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Geert Bevin]

 Cool.  I like this a lot.  My plugin will probably only provide the 
mechanism to configure Rife instances, start/stop them and debugging the 


Hmm actually the starting and stopping of web applications is not 
RIFE-related. It is the servlet container that is responsible for that. 
How do you see these instance configuration? Would that be to work with 
remote servers and handle those? I suppose that would be very handy, but 
apart from the RIFE configuration parameters, the rest would be 
servlet-container dependent.


Rife applications.  Once I learn a little more of what could be 
visualized, we could also visualize each instance's Rife components as 


What I have been dreaming of since several years is to be able to 
visually see the site structure and to be able to set breakpoints and 
watch expressions visually on a running application. Like that you can 
visually trace what is going on exactly and clearly follow the data and 
logic flow. This could be tied to the actual implementations and 
declarations and offer some round-trip coding features that can be 
reloaded automatically without restarting the server.


well like I do with the WebLogic deployments.  Let me know what you 
think and regardless, we'll get this thing going as a community.  :)



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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Emmanuel Okyere]

wowz... tons of reponses already... lol

On 1/13/06, Emmanuel Okyere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geert posted a sort of roadmap here
> http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins; i think it's a good
> place to start... like Geert, I'm prepared to put effort into this if
> we can get it started.
>
> -- eokyere
>
> On 1/13/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >  I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He
> > seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it
> > started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to
> > do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how
> > the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was
> > written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than
> > the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most
> > recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin.  I was surprise at how many
> > BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the
> > work.  To check this out, visit here:
> >
> >  https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/
> >
> > Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start
> > brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> >  Jeremy
> >
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> >
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[JR Boyens]

If you read Geert's latest blog entry
(http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2006/1/13/visual_rife_eclipse_plugin)
you'll notice that Oliver has been working on a plugin as well... Would
yours integrate his functionality or would it already have the features
he's talking about?

On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:51 -0700, Jeremy Whitlock wrote:
> Hey all,
>  I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.
> He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone
> to get it started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track
> proven record to do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably
> perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic
> plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project
> and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was
> asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about
> the plugin.  I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my
> plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.  To check this out,
> visit here:
> 
> https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/
> 
> Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start
> brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should
> be.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Jeremy
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Emmanuel Okyere]

Geert posted a sort of roadmap here
http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins; i think it's a good
place to start... like Geert, I'm prepared to put effort into this if
we can get it started.

-- eokyere

On 1/13/06, Jeremy Whitlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all,
>  I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He
> seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it
> started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to
> do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how
> the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was
> written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than
> the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most
> recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin.  I was surprise at how many
> BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the
> work.  To check this out, visit here:
>
>  https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/
>
> Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start
> brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.
>
> Take care,
>
>  Jeremy
>
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Geert Bevin]

Thanks to Jeremy for making the offer. I don't see any objection to him 
project managing this given his track record.


Regarding development of RIFE plugins, I think it should be a concerted 
effort among the developers who take up the tasks. This would ensure the 
plugins are consistent across the IDEs. Maybe, it's time to start 
standardising on things such as XML files location, etc. Or at least 
some guidelines.


While it might be tempting to decide on XML file locations, please don't 
do this for plugin support. RIFE has the resolving of the files 
abstracted through ResourceFinders and ResourceWriters. By default it 
uses the ResourceFinderClasspath. However, you could just as easily use 
the ResourceFinderDatabase, or the ResourceFinderDirectories, or even 
group them together with the ResourceFinderGroup.


This should be taken as the basis for the resolving and reading of 
resources by any IDE plugin, otherwise it will not be consistent with 
the approach that RIFE uses.


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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Jeremy Whitlock]

Geert, Cool.  I like this a lot.  My plugin will probably only provide the mechanism to configure Rife instances, start/stop them and debugging the Rife applications.  Once I learn a little more of what could be visualized, we could also visualize each instance's Rife components as well like I do with the WebLogic deployments.  Let me know what you think and regardless, we'll get this thing going as a community.  :)
Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,thanks a lot for stepping up to jumpstart this effort.We already started discussion possible features before the new-year andput some things on the wiki here:
http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePluginsI'm most interested in the first stage: "facilitate regular coding". Inotice that the most time I lose when developing a RIFE application iswhen I look around for files and type in template tags or XML
declarations in the site/element declarations. Having an awareness ofyour entire project and being able to just click on a template name oran included site or element would be very nice.I'll try out your Weblogic plugin and see what could be reused, as you
suggest on IRC.Best regards,GeertJeremy Whitlock wrote:> Hey all,>  I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He> seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to
> get it started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track> proven record to do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably> perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic
> plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project> and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was> asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about
> the plugin.  I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my> plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.  To check this out,> visit here:>> 
https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/>> Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start> brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.>
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Jeremy Whitlock]

Eddy, This will definately be a joint effort involving many Rife developers/users.  We should definately start brainstorming on things like the proposed file locations and such.  We should all get on IRC at the same time or something.  Just let me know when to be there and I'll make it so.
Take care,JeremyOn 1/13/06, Eddy Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jeremy Whitlock wrote:> Hey all,>  I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He> seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to> get it started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track
> proven record to do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably> perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic> plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project
> and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was> asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about> the plugin.  I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my
> plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.  To check this out,> visit here:>> https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/
>> Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start> brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.>> Take care,>> Jeremy
Thanks to Jeremy for making the offer. I don't see any objection to himproject managing this given his track record.Regarding development of RIFE plugins, I think it should be a concertedeffort among the developers who take up the tasks. This would ensure the
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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Geert Bevin]

Hi Jeremy,

thanks a lot for stepping up to jumpstart this effort.

We already started discussion possible features before the new-year and 
put some things on the wiki here:

http://rifers.org/wiki/display/RIFE/IdePlugins

I'm most interested in the first stage: "facilitate regular coding". I 
notice that the most time I lose when developing a RIFE application is 
when I look around for files and type in template tags or XML 
declarations in the site/element declarations. Having an awareness of 
your entire project and being able to just click on a template name or 
an included site or element would be very nice.


I'll try out your Weblogic plugin and see what could be reused, as you 
suggest on IRC.


Best regards,

Geert

Jeremy Whitlock wrote:

Hey all,
 I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He 
seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to 
get it started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track 
proven record to do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably 
perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic 
plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project 
and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was 
asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about 
the plugin.  I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my 
plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.  To check this out, 
visit here:


https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/

Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start 
brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.


Take care,

Jeremy




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Re: [Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Eddy Young]

Jeremy Whitlock wrote:

Hey all,
 I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He 
seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to 
get it started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track 
proven record to do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably 
perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic 
plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project 
and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was 
asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent U.S. BEAWorld to talk about 
the plugin.  I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my 
plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.  To check this out, 
visit here:


https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/

Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start 
brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.


Take care,

Jeremy


Thanks to Jeremy for making the offer. I don't see any objection to him 
project managing this given his track record.


Regarding development of RIFE plugins, I think it should be a concerted 
effort among the developers who take up the tasks. This would ensure the 
plugins are consistent across the IDEs. Maybe, it's time to start 
standardising on things such as XML files location, etc. Or at least 
some guidelines.


Regards,
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[Rife-users] Rife Eclipse Plugin

[Jeremy Whitlock]

Hey all, I have been talking to Geert about an Eclipse Plugin for Rife.  He seems interested in beginning development on it and wanted someone to get it started.  I would like to fill these shoes and have a track proven record to do so.  I have written a plugin that will probably perform similarly to how the Rife plugin should.  It is a WebLogic plugin for Eclipse that was written before Eclipse's Web Tools Project and in many ways is better than the WebLogic support in WTP.  I was asked to conduct a BoF at the most recent 
U.S. BEAWorld to talk about the plugin.  I was surprise at how many BEA developers had used my plugin and they gave me great praise for the work.  To check this out, visit here:
https://eclipse-plugin.projects.dev2dev.bea.com/Let me know what you think and if you are interested, lets start brainstorming for how this should work and what the features should be.Take care,
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