Forgot-- Thanks for the info on CSPro!

[Nancy B.]

I got a lot of private emails suggesting that unit.  The
website is quite impressive and informative; the best I've
seen yet.

As you can see, my husband would rather make our own; hope
someone can offer some plans.

Sincerely,
Nancy B.



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HVAC System Plans

[Nancy B.]

I asked my husband what hvac meant; he rattled off,
heating, ventilation and air conditioning!

Well, then when I told him it had to do with making CS, he
got it.

He got real interested when I told him how much the
Motherlode  the CSPro units cost.

Now he wants plans to make his own, rather than shell out
$500+ for someone else's labor.

Does anyone have plans for such?

Could someone here that's also on the rife list ask this for
me on Rife too, and get back to me or give them my email
address (bernt...@altavista.net or
silverwo...@bigfoot.com )?

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
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Off Topic: Shingles

[W. D. Cavanaugh]

I send this to bjs.  He asked that I share it with the list.
We use lots of alternatives, and I'm not completely comfortable
putting it out there for other eyes, but when bjs asks me
for something, he can be very convincing.  I don't recommend
anything to anyone most of the time.  But if you want anecdotes,
we have a satchel full.
XMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXMXM

We have no problem at all with shingles.  Chuck, his father, and
 his grandmother all have had shingles.  His grandmother
 developed them about 3 or 4 years ago and still has them.
 Chuck used Zovirax for his (they were in his eye,) and it
 did NOTHING.  The danger that he'd soon be blind was large.
 He started rectally insufflating ozone, and they healed within
 2 or 3 days.  When his father came down with them 3 or so
 weeks ago, he asked to come over and use the ozone machine.
 His had not even broken through the skin when he began the
 ozone.  They broke through immediately after his first
 treatment, and dried up within a week.
 
 Chuck's face has continued to itch for the 2 years since the
 shingles until he started splashing his face and the area over
 the ganglia where the shingles reside with CS.  Maybe it's
 psychosomatic, but he doesn't itch.  We'll take it!!
 Whatever the cause!!
 
 Wil C.


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Re: Silver and immunity

[bjs1779]

Debbie McDonald wrote:
 
 All,
   I was reading the silver topic on a pet related list today and someone 
 that
 uses it said that she used it on her young daughter for chicken pox and the 
 pox
 were gone in 48 hours BUT, she said this left the child with no immunity to 
 the
 pox and she acquired them again three months later. Anyone have any opinions 
 on
 this one?? Deb
 

Chicken pox is tricky anyway isn't it? I mean that it returns as
shingles later
in life. I know one guy that has had it for 12 years now. So the body
doesn't 
really get rid if it. I found the following, so sometimes it is not wise
to let
the body take full responsibilty.
bjs



Posted by Jody on February 10, 1998 at 15:16:52:

In Reply to: chicken pox vaccine posted by Marie on September 17, 1997
at 09:56:13:

DO IT! My healthy 21-month-old son died from complications from the
chicken pox. If only someone
had stressed to me the fact that children can die from chicken pox, and
the need to get him immunized,
only God knows.


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Re: MCT Fund Update 7/31 AM

[Debbie McDonald]

Robert L. Wells wrote:

 Although it appears that there is evidence that some silver
 products either kill bacteria or limit its growth, I want to
 know how a home-made brew stacks up.  I agree that we need
 to define the manufacturing process and quality standards of
 what we test.
At the start of this, my main thoughts were with the particulate size and
effectiveness, is the size a factor in how well it works. Are we back to having
no real way to discern this measuring process now? or is there still some way
this will be able to be tested. Someone with lots of time would be needed for
the subsequent tests on down from that level.We knowG it works, but the
retailers of CS are telling multiple versions of why THEIR'S works best. We
need to be able to tell ourselves and newcomers needing help the answer to
this. Maybe we could turn some mice blue in the meantime:).  Deb   
-- 


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Re: PLEASE READ: Summary and recommendations...

[bjs1779]

M. G. Devour wrote:
 
 bjs wrote:
 
  M. G. Devour wrote:

 
 Oops! sheepish I didn't mean to imply that I would force anyone to
 do anything. Everyone makes their own choices. If I am misreading the
 issue I want to be overruled. I should have made that clearer.


I don't know. All of us are just sitting around reading all these
opinions
and the list leader comes in and sides with keeping things one
particular
way, some here can take it that the RULING has come down. 

It's all down hill from here Mike, or is it up hill?



 I would think that people will just tell us what they're willing to
 contribute to and when. If they're concerned they can't give to
 both maybe they can reduce their pledge to the other fund? We've
 gotten over half way there without anyone even mentioning a shift of
 their pledge, so I hope there might not even be an issue to worry
 about. Both will be intact and successful in their time?

Like Reid said, maybe we put the cart in front of the horse. All I am
saying is if someone wants to divert their money to a cause that is of
a more immediate need (most probably did not know about the original
fund to begin with and may of contributed to it) there should be no
problem. I'm just glad that I did not contribute any pledges yet because
that look pretty cheap of me. (grin)


  We should error on the safe side. Just think of it as a little tax
  cut for the already over exceeded goal.
 
 I just wonder if that testing isn't going to end up taking every
 penny we're willing to throw at it? Not a criticism of the idea,
 which I support fully, but rather acceptance of several corollaries
 to Murphy's Law! grin

Don't worry Mike, we know you will cover the difference. I will even
be the fund raising leader to pay you back. Comforting thought, huh?



  I guess this is unpopular with the higher ups around here. It is
  really starting to turn me off to be honest.

Thankfully, I got a small foot because it quite frequently ends up in
my mouth.

bjs


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Testing for TDS...

[Paul Bembower]

Mike and silver-listers: I talked to a gentleman named Pete at Hanna
Instruments in Rhode Island, and told him exactly what it is I'm trying
to do with CS, and what range of PPM I am trying to achieve. He originally
had intended to suggest the $15 TDS-1 or the $46 DiST-WP1, but upon further
reflection he suggested what they call the PWT. It has a range of
0-99.9 uS/cm (micro-Siemens). 1 micro-Siemen/cm is equivalent,
Peter says, to 2 mg/l or 2 ppm. So, you could use this instrument,
which has an accuracy of 2% of full scle (or 2 uS/cm) on CS with an actual
TDS of 12ppm, and get a reading of 22-26 uS/cm. This number is easily
and, perhaps more accurately, translated into a reading of 11-13 ppm, an
accuracy of +/- 1 ppm.

Further, Hanna can supply a calibration solution for $8.40/460mL, which,
if properly cared for, could last for a very long time. The calibration
standard is at 84 uS/cm, which is 42 ppm, and is much closer to our range
than anything we could manufacture reliably ourselves.
Before I spend anything on this, I'd like to know what some of you
think of this.

You can look at this on-line at:

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Re: Research on CS

[Susan M. Yensen]

It was silver nitrate.  I used it on burn patients.  It was in a cream of
silvadene.

Life is Fragile. Handle with Prayer
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Re: Followup to PPM techniques

[Douglas McMurtrie]

Excellent point. Apparently there are electrostatic issues to be dealt
with in filtering that finely. The tech that I spoke with at Osmonics
said that they have a device that they sell for the explicit purpose
of electrically neutralizing the filters before use.

Bill Kingsbury wrote:
 
 I agree with Bruce's cautions.  Filtering would require accurate
 testing, before it's effects could be accepted, or rejected.
 First we need to establish the 'accurate testing'.
 
 Ignoring the cost issue, could 'centrifuging' be technically
 useful in some cases ?
 
 --Bill
 
 7-30-98, Bruce wrote:
 
 A thought on filtering these charged silver particles; will charged
 ions of silver tend to be attracted to the filter matrix, even when
 small enough to pass otherwise, because of their charge?
 
 
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Re: Money...

[bjs1779]

  Here's mine:
 
  Reid Smith
  1407 N. Glendale
  Marion, IL 62959
 
 Thank you all for understanding my situation and helping.
 
  Take Care
 
  Reid
 
 An here is mine as well!
 
 Jim Einert
 P.O. Box 10
 Ozone, AR 72854
 

I think I know some people that are from Arkansas, that ought to be at
Marion.
That is the place, right Reid?

bjs


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Darkfield microscopy

[Jeffrey La Favre]

Here is a response to questions by Johan and Jim.

Darkfield microscopy is accomplished by using a special condenser.  The
condenser delivers a hollow cone of light with the tip of the cone focused
on the specimen.  The angle of the light rays is such that all of the light
misses the microscope objective, thus causing a dark field of view.
However, a specimen can refract or reflect some of the impinging light and
divert it into the microscope objective.  Therefore, objects in the specimen
appear to be bright against a dark background.

With this type of specimen illumination it is possible to detect objects
even when they are smaller than the resolution limit of the microscope.
However, this does not mean that you can measure their size, at least not
directly.

A similar situation is known in astronomy.  When you look at the stars at
night with the naked eye, they appear as pin points of light.  Because of
their vast distance, the diameters of stars can't be resolved by the naked
eye.  In fact, even when one observes the stars with the most powerful
telescopes on Earth, they still look like pin points of light because their
diameters are too small to be resolved!!!  Nevertheless, the stars are seen
easily, we just can't see their shape or measure their diameters (although
astronomers have special techniques to measure the diameter of stars).

Here is an example that most of us have seen.  Early during the day, or late
in the day, when the sun shines through a window, it is easy to see dust
floating in the air.  These particles are much too small to be resolved by
the naked eye, yet we can see them.  The operating principle in this case is
similar to the darkfield microscope.

So the question is, can you measure a smaller particle size with darkfield
illumination than brightfield?  Perhaps you could push the theoretical
resolution limit slightly with darkfield.  Suppose you could measure a
particle with a 0.1 micron diameter using darkfield compared to 0.2 micron
with brightfield.  Will this help our research significantly?  I don't think
so but correct me if I am wrong.

But there is one thought I had.  Perhaps one could estimate the relative
size of CS particles in a darkfield according to how bright they appear.  If
the amount of light diverted by a CS particle is proportional to its size,
then larger particles should appear brighter in the field than smaller
particles.

To do darkfield work you need to pay attention to the numerical apertures of
the condenser and objective.  The numerical aperture should be stamped on
the body of the condenser and the barrel of the objective.  For example, an
Abbe condenser (for brightfield work) typically has a numerical aperture of
1.25.  This is a measure of the cone of light it will deliver to the
specimen.  The numerical aperture of the objective is a measure of the cone
of light that it will accept from the specimen. A typical achromat objective
of 100 power (oil immersion) will have a numerical aperture of 1.25, a high
dry objective of 40 power will have a numerical aperture of about 0.65.

You also need to have some understanding about the refractive indices of
different materials.  Air has a refractive index of 1.0, water 1.33, glass
1.5.  If you want to use the full numerical aperture of an Abbe condenser,
it is necessary to apply immersion oil between the condenser and the bottom
of the specimen slide.  Without the oil, you limit the numerical aperture to
just below 1.0 because the refractive index of air is 1.0 (i.e., light rays
of a greater angle will be reflected at the glass to air interface and not
proceed into the specimen).

My darkfield condenser has a numerical aperture of 1.33.  The cutoff for the
inner surface of the hollow cone of light it delivers is 1.2 (condenser is
stamped with  1.33 - 1.2).  Therefore, this condenser would be totally
useless if it is not oiled to the slide (or one could use water since it has
a refractive index the same as the NA of this condenser). If you don't oil
this condenser to the bottom of the slide, all of the light from the
condenser will be reflected off the glass-air interface and none will reach
the specimen.

Now if I want to use my high power objective with this condenser, I have a
problem.  Some of the light from my condenser will enter the objective
because it has a higher NA (1.25) than the inner cutoff of the condenser
(1.2).  In order to overcome this problem, my objective is fitted with an
adjustable iris (like in a 35 mm camera) which can be used to stop down the
objective (i.e., reduce the NA).  Then the iris is stopped down just until
the field becomes dark.  At this point I have maximum resolution with a dark
background.

What if you don't have an iris in your high power immersion objective?  If
it has a higher NA than the cutoff of your condenser you have a problem.
You could try to fashion a stop to insert inside your objective but I would
not recommend doing this.  In this case you will probably 

SPECIAL STORY

[brains]

Thanks Marsha I'm glad you made the mistake it is a Special
Story 





Peace and Health to you  and may the White Light protect you 


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Re: PLEASE READ: (plus comfrey)

[W. D. Cavanaugh]

Mike,
Thanks for keeping the moderate in moderator.

btw, I was supposed to have been unsubscribed.  Since
I wasn't, I gratefully read what I can and pretend I'm
unsubscribed with the rest.

We're really a bunch of opinionated hotheads, aren't we?
However, I'm whelmed that each is harnessing his heat
to produce such beneficial power; even more amazed
that when we are flamed it just makes us brighter; and
there is never any lack of respect snicker.

Till next time--- Wil with a ps below

I haven't forgot to mail comfrey to those who requested
it.  With Mother's cancer, and Chuck's having some
problems, and life's normal challenges, I have not
taken the time.  Two of you I have addresses for, but
have lost the third.  If you requested comfrey, please
write me direct (not to the list) in case you are the
third name that I've lost.  Thanks.


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Re: Followup to PPM techniques

[Bill Kingsbury]

I agree with Bruce's cautions.  Filtering would require accurate 
testing, before it's effects could be accepted, or rejected.
First we need to establish the 'accurate testing'.

Ignoring the cost issue, could 'centrifuging' be technically 
useful in some cases ?

--Bill


7-30-98, Bruce wrote:

A thought on filtering these charged silver particles; will charged 
ions of silver tend to be attracted to the filter matrix, even when 
small enough to pass otherwise, because of their charge? 





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Re: giardia and cryptosporidium treatable by cs?

[M. G. Devour]

Peter McLennan wrote:

 Does anyone have info on cs effect upon giardia and
 cryptosporidium?

Try this site from the gov't of British Colombia: 

  http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epd/cpr/criteria/awqcfs.html

It's a report on Ambient Water Quality Criteria for Silver. The 
good stuff is about half way through.

 My guess is that ozonating might be effective,as this has been in
 use by local public swimming pools since a recent scare(same
 bugs).Hey,maybe there's a challenge for measuring cs kill using
 these 'strong' bugs? What do you think? 

Try this site for some neat devices for swimming pool maintenance:

   http://web.evcom.net/Zark/index.htm

Wouldn't you love to be able to jump into a pool of sparkling clear 
water with no chlorine or algacide? Cool!

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@mail.id.net   ]
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Re: Donations For Microscope Camera- Reid

[Reid Smith]

At 11:16 AM 7/30/98 -0400, you wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, chc wrote:

 Dear Reid;
 
 I have $20 to kick off your microscope equipment fund drive. I do
 believe that Jim and your efforts will more than benefit the colloidal
 silver makers of America.
 
 Please let us know where to send the check.
 
 Good Luck and I trust that others will see the value of your
 equipment to their efforts. Dark field microscopes do not come cheap and
 the ability to check colloidal size, quality, and microorganism
 inhibition with it will be invaluable in the long run. Plus to have one
 of their own, whom they can trust to give them honest, diligent results
 is priceless.
 
 c...@jps.net
 

  
Reid,
   I'm in for $20 also.  Where to send the check?
   I second chc's sentiments.

Reid Smith
1407 N. Glendale
Marion, IL 62959

   Thank you and I'll help the list and Jim out as much as I possably
can. The test with paramicium really surprized me. I've been putting this
stuff (CS) in my body and wondered if it had any effect or maybe it's just
a placebo. I've read several articals where CS is supposed to kill bacteria 
but I've learned not to allways believe what I read. That test convinced me 
that it does work.




   

Take Care 

Reid



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Filters.

[It's not me]

Mike,
What about one of the PUR or other camp water purifiers.  Some filter down
to .004 micron.  About 70 bucks if I remember correctly.  The ones in the .2
to 1.0 micron range only go for around 30 bucks.  Thing is that the better
one might just filter out the silver as well, at least for the larger
particles and clumps.  Just a thought.
Vern

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Followup to PPM techniques


I just checked in my trusty Fisher Scientific catalog, and there are
lots of different filters in the range of 0.2 microns and above, and
many down to 0.1 microns. I did find one interesting entry, Alumina
matrix filter membranes from Whatman, in 0.2 micron, 0.1 micron, and
0.02 micron!! Not cheap, but would give you a decent idea of what
concentration of bioactive particles you have.

So careful filtration/separation techniques could be used.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: Money...

[jeinert]

 From:  Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject:   Re: Money...
 Date:  Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:24:39 -0700
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com


Well, Marsha if I would have read the post right I would have noticed 
you said lived past tense!!! Duh!!!
Take Care!
Jim

 
 
 Jim Einert
 P.O. Box 10
 Ozone, AR 72854
 
 Dear Jim,
 Whoa! I lived in Arkansas, too!! We were in Russellville for 3 years, that
 is where I got my lovely case of Lyme disease, and faced off with the
 dumbdoc!!
 Small world...
 Let`s see, I`ve been in: CA, ID, WA, WI, AR, VA, MD, LA, CO, AZ, UT, and OH.
 Now comes IL.
 This`ll be our 27th move in 25 years.
 I`m tired...
 Marsha
 
 
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Re: Money...

[jeinert]

 From:  Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject:   Re: Money...
 Date:  Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:24:39 -0700
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com

 
 
 Jim Einert
 P.O. Box 10
 Ozone, AR 72854
 
 Dear Jim,
 Whoa! I lived in Arkansas, too!! We were in Russellville for 3 years, that
 is where I got my lovely case of Lyme disease, and faced off with the
 dumbdoc!!
 Small world...
 Let`s see, I`ve been in: CA, ID, WA, WI, AR, VA, MD, LA, CO, AZ, UT, and OH.
 Now comes IL.
 This`ll be our 27th move in 25 years.
 I`m tired...
 Marsha
 
Hey Marsha,
Ozone is north of Clarksville, which is 25 miles west of 
Russellville. Small world huh??? Where in Arkansas are you living 
now? (until you move again!)
Take Care!
Jim


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Re: Money...

[Marsha Hallett]

Jim Einert
P.O. Box 10
Ozone, AR 72854

Dear Jim,
Whoa! I lived in Arkansas, too!! We were in Russellville for 3 years, that
is where I got my lovely case of Lyme disease, and faced off with the
dumbdoc!!
Small world...
Let`s see, I`ve been in: CA, ID, WA, WI, AR, VA, MD, LA, CO, AZ, UT, and OH.
Now comes IL.
This`ll be our 27th move in 25 years.
I`m tired...
Marsha


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Re: Research on CS

[Marsha Hallett]

Marsha Hallett,

Please, What's Melaleuca?

Take care, smile and watch for the birdies.

Douglas Haack, Sydney


Dear Douglas,
 What??!! An Ozzie, asking What`s Melaleuca??!!
Why `tis Australian Tea Tree Oil, from the Melaleuca alternifolia tree,
grown mainly in lovely Australia. (Wish I could come visit... sigh)
Sure is good stuff. With it and CS, who needs docs, other than for injuries,
and C sections.
(Thank God for the latter, my 19 year old Sailor son was saved by being born
that way! He was 4 weeks past due and his head bones had closed already, by
the time we decided we`d better get him out of the oven. He liked cooking a
little extra, I suppose...A natural birth would have crushed his skull)
Marsha



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Re: Colliodal Silver as related to Rife Treatment [from Jim Bake

[Chris McFarlane]

A more complete qoute - FYI

Chris Gupta


[snip]

Allow me to urge caution with colloidal silver. CS destroys enzyme activity;
supplemental enzymes (preferably injected) will be very important. My own
experience also demonstrated that CS does burn skin tissues, during prolonged
exposure/tissue contact. This would then indicate that the gastrointestinal
tract and stomach lining will be harmed by prolonged use of CSilver. I have
found CS useful for short term uses; as indeed hospitals do -- for certain
wound dressings. Though, using CS, my minor but persistent tinea condition
was in remission for a time, the condition returned with a vengeance. My
experience indicates, and personal view is, that CS is not a cure all; and
very probably has significant problems during prolonged use. Enzyme therapy
is quite probably a useful alternative adjunct, along with supplemental
amino acids and plant based minerals.



Chris


On 30 Jul 98 at 6:12,
w4...@aol.com wrote:

 Rifers,
 
 Because Don T. has recommended to me to use subject,  along with R/B/T;  I
 hope this query isn't off topic for this list.
 
 Dr. Rife said that cancer was caused by a virus.  His treatment involved the
 killing of the BX virus,  which terminated the cancer.  If I have
 understood this correctly,  and Rife is correct;  it seems that CS would
 also, on its own,  decrease cancer in the body.  I understand CS is a
 non-specific killer of virus and bacteria,  of all types.  
 
 So,  is some of the de-tox reaction that I may be getting,  due to CS
 directly?
 
 If I were a good researcher,  I would do only one thing at a time.  I am
 more interested in being a successful cancer survivor.  
 
 Jim


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Re: Colliodal Silver as related to Rife Treatment [from Jim Bake

[Chris McFarlane]

FYI

Chris Gupta

On 30 Jul 98 at 21:15,
fr...@mks.com (Fred Walter) wrote:

 From: Chris McFarlane chris...@xtra.co.nz
 Allow me to urge caution with colloidal silver. CS destroys enzyme
activity;
 supplemental enzymes (preferably injected) will be very important. My own
 experience also demonstrated that CS does burn skin tissues, during
prolonged
 exposure/tissue contact. This would then indicate that the gastrointestinal
 tract and stomach lining will be harmed by prolonged use of CSilver. I have
 found CS useful for short term uses; as indeed hospitals do -- for certain
 wound dressings.
 
 It sounds like you have colloidal silver and hydrogen peroxide mixed up.
 When you put CS onto your skin, do little bubbles form?

Yes, it could seem like that. It was indeed CS that produced the skin burn,
but only after prolonged exposure. Cotton wool _repeatedly_ soaked in CS
and held on the area over about two weeks. Anyone can try this with a cotton
swab plastered to their hand, and repeatedly soaked in CS, for about two
weeks. This is probably equivalent to regularly drinking CS. I've not noticed
bubbles forming, but perhaps microscopic examination over the 2 week period
would reveal something of that nature.

Destruction of enzymes by silver molecules was indicated in one of Roger
Cathey's substantial papers on enzyme therapy; which also seems consistent
with the skin burn i've experienced. Indeed, the beneficial action of silver
on bacteria is probably the same action which destroys enzymes. Do a word
search on silver in Roger's papers to confirm Roger's comment; though as
mentioned my own experience seems to also confirm the comment.


Chris


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Columbus, Ohio

[Carl J.]

In need of a RR/RB device in Columbus Ohio.  Advanced uterine cancer -
metastasizing.  Doctors have given up on her.
Thank you,
Carl




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Re: Research on CS

[Douglas Haack]

Marsha Hallett,

Please, What's Melaleuca?

Take care, smile and watch for the birdies.

Douglas Haack, Sydney



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Re: Something Special!!

[Douglas Haack]

Marsha Hallett,

thanks for this great story about the birdies you sure made my day!!

Take care and watch for the birdies

Douglas Haack, Sydney



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Re: Silver and immunity

[Philip Collins]

Hello Deb and everyone:

This story seems to me to illustrate the virtue of giving your immune system
a chance to fight off any bug it catches thoroughly *before* coming to the
rescue with CS, with electromedicine, with antibiotics, or with *any*
external anti-microbial.  If your immune system is able to fight off the
invaders, it will do so by creating antibodies against the invader--enough
antibodies, and strong-enough ones, to defeat the enemy.  After the invaders
are gone, you retain the antibodies for an extended period of time--in some
cases for life.  They, in turn will protect you in the future.  Of course
there will be times when we need CS or something like it.  But for the most
part, it is best to let the immune system take care of the infection on its
own, as long as it seems to be doing so effectively.

Whitney

  I was reading the silver topic on a pet related list today and someone
that
uses it said that she used it on her young daughter for chicken pox and the
pox
were gone in 48 hours BUT, she said this left the child with no immunity to
the
pox and she acquired them again three months later. Anyone have any
opinions on
this one?? Deb





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Re: Rife Conference Reminder

[Philip Collins]

-Original Message-
From: Don Tunney dtun...@mars.ark.com
To: rif...@majordomo.net rif...@majordomo.net
Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 11:01 AM
Subject: Rife Conference Reminder


1998 International Rife Technology Conference

Details are at
http://www.kalamark.com/rife_conference/

PLEASE PASS THIS ONTO OTHER LISTS THAT YOU BELIEVE MAY BE INTERESTED.

The 15th of August is the cut off date for EARLY registration. 
EARLY REGISTRATION rewards you with a reduced admission cost.
Take advantage of the savings. Phone Gary and Lucille now. Their number

For those coming to the Conference and arriving by commercial airline
BOOK your flight right into Comox and do it at least 4 weeks ahead of your
actual travel dates. This usually assures you of substantially reduced 
airfares.

Last year a number of attendees flew to Vancouver International then 
purchased the
shuttle flight into Comox. The cost was around $100 more than what it 
would have 
been if the two flights had been booked together.

If you are flying in let us know and you will be met at the airport
and taken to your accommodation.

It is also most important that attendees make their reservations for 
accommodation soon.
Details are at the Conference Web site stated above. USE the 1-800 numbers.

Some display table space is available. Please don't leave this until the 
last minute
if you are wanting to show your wares.

ATTENDEE NAMES WILL STILL BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL. Name tags will show
first names with nearest large city to where you reside. Guest speaker 
names
will be identified in full.

My best to you all
Don Tunney




 

Re: PLEASE READ: Summary and recommendations...

[M. G. Devour]

bjs wrote:

 M. G. Devour wrote:
  Pledges: I agree with those who want to keep the pledge funds
  separate.

 I respectivly disagree. There are those that want other people  to
 tell them what to do with their money, and there are those that
 would like to make that decision for themselves.

Oops! sheepish I didn't mean to imply that I would force anyone to
do anything. Everyone makes their own choices. If I am misreading the 
issue I want to be overruled. I should have made that clearer.

I would think that people will just tell us what they're willing to
contribute to and when. If they're concerned they can't give to
both maybe they can reduce their pledge to the other fund? We've
gotten over half way there without anyone even mentioning a shift of
their pledge, so I hope there might not even be an issue to worry
about. Both will be intact and successful in their time?

 We should error on the safe side. Just think of it as a little tax
 cut for the already over exceeded goal.

I just wonder if that testing isn't going to end up taking every
penny we're willing to throw at it? Not a criticism of the idea,
which I support fully, but rather acceptance of several corollaries
to Murphy's Law! grin

 I guess this is unpopular with the higher ups around here. It is
 really starting to turn me off to be honest. 

There really are no higher ups around here. Sometimes a bigmouth
with diarrhea of the keyboard at this end, but I'm trying. When I open
a digest like I did today and see several posts in a row by me I
cringe. I don't see myself as *boss* and don't want to be taken that
way. I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable.

I won't shut down the list or kick people off for choosing a
different way to achieve our goals, or for wanting to change those
goals. It would be wrong to do such things to people that I value. If
the mission ever shifted so far I felt I couldn't honor it, I'd ask
to be replaced. What other options do I have? 

And I'm serious when I compare the notion of controlling this group 
of individuals to herding cats. I'm astounded by (and grateful for) 
the patience you've all had with me. You've accepted my influence to 
a greater degree than I have any right to expect. I don't intend to
overreach the bounds of your consent.

 We as a group can do anything we want, and we will. Once they
 start controlling the money, there will be none. Let's keep it
 clean as we can. 

I don't plan to touch any money myself, so whatever you folks agree
on to keep things clean I'll go for. Each list member will decide
for themselves if the safeguards are adequate. 

My only real authority in this aspect of list operation is as a 
gatekeeper to prevent us being hassled or overwhelmed by unwelcome 
and incessant solicitations, in defense of the non-commercial nature 
of the forum. Again, I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. 

If Doug feels we can afford to hold off on those ppm assays long
enough to work out the initial standard recipe, and a few of us want
to do it, then we can go that route. I'm waiting to hear if that's 
acceptable.

I'll have to go get some 14 ga silver wire, since I've been using 12 
ga. Other than that I'm ready to breadboard whatever generator design 
we decide to run with.

Be well,

Mike D.
silver-list owner
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: Something Special!!

[M. G. Devour]

Jim wrote: 
 I don't know about anyone else, but I did enjoy that story. Sat here
 and cried my eyes out!!! Jim

Me too. Hard not to if you can imagine being in those parent's shoes 
with one of your own.

Dragging myself back on topic...

Mike
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Re: Followup to PPM techniques

[M. G. Devour]

Bruce wrote:

 A thought on filtering these charged silver particles; will charged
 ions of silver tend to be attracted to the filter matrix, even when
 small enough to pass otherwise, because of their charge? 
 
 A suggested experiment:
 
 Take your average batch of CS just after production, test it with a
 TDS1 or similar, then run it through the filter you're now using
 (coffee filters for most of us) and then retest with the TDS1... 
 
 Is there a drop in the reading? If so, is this drop really
 reflecting a filtering out of coarse particles, or is it caused by
 charged particles being attracted to the filter media, and being
 held there?

Try filtering the same batch again in a new filter? See if the ppm 
reading drops again by a similar or somewhat smaller amount. Other 
than filter inefficiency, there shouldn't be much to remove on the 
second pass. 

Also, try two different volumes to test, different by a factor of
two. If it's an effect of the filter surface area adsorbing particles
the smaller sample will see a larger drop in ppm than the bigger
sample, since the rest of the CS in the bigger sample will go through
essentially unfiltered after the surface saturates. (If that's not
clear, don't worry. It's pretty murky to me too!) grin

I think these *might* be valid tests. Just guessing at this point.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: Something Special!!

[jeinert]

 From:  Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject:   Re: Something Special!!
 Date:  Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:59:52 -0700
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com

 Dear List, Oops I thought I was sending Bob an email, not the whole list,
 sorry...
 Marsha
 (Good story anyway, huh?? :o)
 



I don't know about anyone else, but I did enjoy that story. Sat here 
and cried my eyes out!!!
Jim

 
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Re: Correction to formula for resolution of light microscope

[jeinert]

 From:  Jeffrey La Favre jeff_lafa...@ameritech.net
 To:Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject:   Correction to formula for resolution of light microscope
 Date:  Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:31:35 -0400
 Reply-to:  silver-list@eskimo.com

Hi Jeff,
If I got this right, a good light microscope will see down to 0.2 
microns, and, would a darkfield see even better? Maybe down to 0.1 
micron or less? Sounds like were getting close to seeing what we need 
to see!
Thanks for the math!
Jim


 In double checking my message I discovered an error in the resolution
 formula.  The correct formula is given below:
 
 R = wavelength/ (2)(numerical aperture)
 
 Then the resolution would be:
 
 R = 0.5 microns/ (2)(1.3) =  0.2 microns
 
 Therefore, the smallest particle that can be measured directly by a good
 light microscope is about 0.2 microns in diameter.
 
 Sorry for the error in my first message.  Hope I have it correct this time!
 
 Jeff La Favre
 
 
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giardia and cryptosporidium treatable by cs?

[Peter D.McLennan]

Dear silver colloiders,
I posted a query regarding these two water borne parasites to the rife
list,and was
suggested to refer to you.Does anyone have info on cs effect upon giardia
and
cryptosporidium ?Apparently they survive chlorine  UV exposure
undeterred,but can be boiled to death.There is a major concern in
Sydney,Australia regarding the
city water supply which has been found to be contaminated by the above
critters.
My guess is that ozonating might be effective,as this has been in use by
local
public swimming pools since a recent scare(same bugs).Hey,maybe there's
a challenge for measuring cs kill using these 'strong' bugs?
What do you think?
(the silver's on the top shelf)
petemc




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