CSRe:/FORBIDDEN
To: URL listers: The corrupted URL is because you are not delimiting it so your browser can read it all. The address is broken over two lines, which means part is not read! To delimit an address use such as: (try these) mailto:f...@health2us.com?subject=this has spaces and continues on another line but is delimited with these In this case, of an email link, most browsers will separate the ? and the key word Subject= to fill-in the email subject! http://www.health2us.com/water.htm?K=Some added code Here, I added a code (could have used ?List=silver-list), so I know if a visitor clicked from this particular URL listing. The ?K= tells the server that the URL ends at ? and what follows may be a parameter passed to another program (but need not be)! Fred -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSCitric acid and Silver
Sounds like he's made silver citrate by electrolyzing silver in a citric acid solution. Don't know if that's a good idea or not, but I do know that ascorbic acid is not absorbed at the cellular level unless it's in a mineral ascorbate form, which is the form created in the livers of the other 99% of mammals on this planet (besides humans and guinea pigs) that make their own Vitamin C. Alycer makes a powdered product called Emergen-C which is all mineral ascorbates (no silver) plus B vitamins, and it appears to be quite effective in my family. So maybe silver citrate or silver ascorbate is an interesting idea? Anyone know for sure? Sam - Original Message - From: Cindy Powell To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:38 PM Subject: CSCitric acid and Silver Hello all, I have recently been looking into a company that purports to have invented a silver solution using citric acid. I asked the inventor if this was a colloidal silver solution, and he replied that his solution is a compound and is not colloidal silver, and yet the claims he is making sounds exactly like the claims for colloidal silver. Is the citric acid contributing to germ kill according to your knowledge?? Or is the citric acid there so he can claim his solution is unique... Also he claims that his silver is in very low concentrations in the ppb parts per billion. I kinda thought this guy just basically had a colloidal silver type product, but I see that water purification company named Innovative Medical (stock symbol PURE for anyone who wishes to read the recent press release) has announced an affiliation and distribution agreement for silver based purification and a wound cleanser. There is also a health care supplement available using ionized silver and citric acid. Hasn't someone commented on effects obtained when taking colloidal silver with orange juice?? I would be interested in hearing from you knowlegable listers. Someone must have heard something about citric acid being used in combination with ionized silver. Thanks in advance, Cindy
Re: CSenzyme info
In digging through my saved back silver-list I found this for the person wanting to know about enzymes. TO YOUR BETTER HEALTH Ron -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSOT Kidney Theft is Hoax
Dear Listers, I called the number. It is a number of a hospital. There is no such person working there, and I was informed that the story is a hoax. Sam's advice is good indeed: The rule of thumb is: Believe half of what you read, a tenth of what you hear, and none of what you get in forwarded emails. Christian Michele Shafer DML/Lab Administration Medical Manager Research Development, 99 Missenden Road Camperdown, Sydney 2000 Tel: (02) 95156111 Fax: (02) 94621505 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Ivan/conductivity meter
Hi Katarina, Bill will set you right with multimeters, and if you can hang on a bit longer I should be in a better position to advise on the use of cheap conductivity meters (reads in uS) for the direct measurement of silver ion concentration. I want to run a couple more correlation tests and try to establish the requirements for accurate readings. This will enable you to perform the same tests that I believe Fred does. (must congratulate him for providing this 'gratis') Until then... Ivan. - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 1999 11:08 Subject: CSRe: Ivan/conductivity meter Hi Ivan, I am a silvertail who is definitely interested in the usefulness of a cheap conductivity meter to measure concentration information on the cs that I am making but I need some help of a truly non-technical explanation of what kind of meter to use and how to do so. I get the subject matter of these interesting and possibly useful posts -- but they are way above my non-techie head. Basically, I seem to have found which water and what length of time works with my generator to make a clear solution with a failry strong tyndall, no sludge, and a metalic taste. I am assuming I have pretty small particles since the solution is clear -- so now I would just like to have an idea of what ppm I've got so I can figure out how much to take. I'll send some in to Fred to test -- but I'd like to be able to check it out on the occasional batch at home - so it would be great to learn how to do so. Thanks so much, Katarina I should think that quite a few silvertails will be interested in the outcome of these discussions, if only in that the conclusion may be that a cheap conductivity meter can provide reliable concentration information for silver colloids or sols fitting certain parameters. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSOT - Sick child h2o2
I haven't tried it myself, but have been told there's a vast difference
between the food grade hp for internal use and the normal run-of-the-mill
pharmaceutical one. Do keep us posted!
Yvonne
:o)
-Original Message-
From: Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC [mailto:hut...@ncsc.navy.mil]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 3:32 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSOT - Sick child h2o2
Have you heard of anyone using hydrogen peroxide internally?
If so, for what and how much. I have heard that bodybuilders using steroids
take a teaspoon to control the severe acne associated anabolic steriods.
BillH
-Original Message-
From: Mike Marr [mailto:m...@clarkandclark.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 8:55 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT - Sick child h2o2
On Tuesday, November 02, 1999 4:30 PM, ing...@aol.com wrote:
Date: 2-Nov-1999 17:30:39 -0500
From: ing...@aol.com
To: m...@jazz {silver-l...@eskimo.com}
Subject: Re: CSOT - Sick child h2o2
hi..regarding your son..is h2o2 plain hydrogen peroxide? how much did you
give him each time...what size is he? if lt works that well..l want to know
all about it..thankyou. inga.
Yes, plain hydrogen peroxide, 3%, which I bought at the local pharmacy.
I gave him about one capful for both ears. I poured in enough to fill
the ear canal. My son is about 48 lbs. and about 46 inches tall. He
mentioned there was some pain with the first application, but none on the
third. I have also used this when I felt the first onset of a cold.
Mike M.
Reposted from previous email:
From another list, this suggestion:
From: molecularr...@webtv.net
To all of you that have an ear.
Sick to day, Well Tomorrow I promis you!!!
For the past 21 years now I, and others have been attacking the the
Common Cold Influenza(s) Virus where they begin their breeding
process. ( not where they have already spread to =
eye's-nose-throat-lungs)
We have found that the inner-ear (middle) harbors the only perfect
environment for these microscopic killers to begin their breeding.
Common Cold Cure:
We find that by administering a few drops of 3% hydrogen peroxide into
each infected ear for 10 minutes or longer until the bubbling stinging
subsides that the temperature starts dropping within just a few minutes
and that all of the effects / symptoms are completely gone within 12 to
14 hours. We have had 100% results with using this method.
Influenza(s) Virus Cure:
You'll need to repeat the same process two or more times at two hour
intervals until there is no more bubbling when you put drops in infected
ear(s) We also have had 100% results when using this method in curing
the flu. If you don't have an eye dropper, use the bottle cap to
administer the H202 and be very careful to not get any in the eyes.
(flush with water)
I have written to a multitude of people about this amazingly simple cure
including the FDA-NIH to AMA president Thomas R. Reardon MD. I don't
think that the AMA wants to inform the public about this because there's
no money in it for them in doing so!!! ( Narcissistic )
Please tell others about this.
Thanks
Larry the molecular man
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Re: CSround conductive pot idea
Hi Marshal, James H-M, I believe that the silver, which has been disassociated during generation at low current density, exist as single silver ions not clumps. It is not until the power is withdrawn that the ions flocculate into stable clusters of multi-ion particles. I remember Bob Lee saying something along these lines, some time ago. In electroplating a silver anode is used to replace the silver ions deposited at the cathode. There are many parameters which are manipulated in silver plating to provide a smooth shiny finish, not least being the metal that the silver is being deposited on. A porous powdery finish is one of the major problems to be overcome in the electrodeposition of metals. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 1999 10:09 Subject: Re: CSround conductive pot idea Actually the black is silver, which is plating out. The difference is that if it were a silver compound, then the atoms would attach to the metal one by one, giving a smooth shiny finish. But since CS is made up of clumps of 100 to 5,000 atoms of silver, when they plate out, they end up as a very fine power on the surface, which is black. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CS-Question
I found some plastics cause fall-out (and had to ditch a whole batch because of this). With amber glass bottles, I've had no problem whatsoever and good shelf life. Go well. Yvonne :0) -Original Message- From: Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC [mailto:hut...@ncsc.navy.mil] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 4:38 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS-Question I believe they need to be glass as well as be dark in color. Can't remember why it has to be glass. Could someone refresh my memory? BillH -Original Message- From: rogg...@aol.com [mailto:rogg...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:00 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS-Question Hi, I'm new to CS and the list. My question concerns colored containers. I can't find cobalt blue or brown. What about a medium to dark green, which I found at Walmart? Thanks Gail -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSCoffee Filters (was Pulsed DC method)
Good idea Mike, Couldn't hurt. Might dissipate some of the charge that James O, H supposed might be involved, also. Ivan. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@mail.id.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 1999 22:02 Subject: Re: CSCoffee Filters (was Pulsed DC method) Would it make sense to pre-condition the coffee filter by running some plain distilled water through it, which you would discard, then filtering the CS? You'd at least get the worst of the solubles out of it before it contacts the product. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSOT - urgent question on sick child h2o2
Interesting - I know zinc and Vitamin C together are great for colds. Yvonne :o) -Original Message- From: Cindy Powell [mailto:suns...@networld.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT - urgent question on sick child h2o2 A new product just hit the over the counter market, called Zicam that is supposed to reduce the duration of the common cold to 1 1/2 days. It is a spray containing zinc that is sprayed up the nose (I know, I know, sounds yucky and uncomfortable, but) It is sold as a homeopathic remedy, and test results are being published through the American Journal of Infection control, which is a well respected publication. You might want to ask your doc about this. My brother has used it and is amazed at how well it works. Best, Cindy -Original Message- From: Mike Marr m...@clarkandclark.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:48 AM Subject: CSOT - urgent question on sick child h2o2 Does anyone know why I would not be able to use peroxide in a 25 month old's ears? Don't know about the ear canal and when it changes from birth. I recall something from our pediatrician about infants being susceptible to ear infections because the ear canal doesn't change it's shape until they are *x* months old. The cold my oldest got is trying to spread through the family and my daugther is running a fever of 102 F. Thanks for your input. Mike M. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGraphs of Concentrations(resp)(resp)
Bill, It is very reassuring that your results correlate well with my admittedly rough graph. Next ones will be more controlled and hopefully benefit more listers. Will run 3 x 9v batteries in my container and also an 8oz tumbler. Will test the conductivity meter also. Cheers Ivan. - Original Message - From: Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC hut...@ncsc.navy.mil To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 1999 02:15 Subject: CSGraphs of Concentrations(resp) I have tried twice to send this as a reply to an earlier post. Doesn't seem to get posted. My apologies if it is getting through. I am not seeing it at my end. BillH Ivan, Thanks for the graph, looking forward to the next one. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMeasuring ppm?
Steve, Sharon, I believe that a conductivity meter can indeed reliably test for silver concentration in colloidal silver solutions, within certain parameters. The preliminary testing I have done shows very good correlation with silver tested by other methods, as long as the sol is clear or yellow and contains no large particles as shown as discrete sparkles in the Tyndall beam of a laser pointer. This applies to new CS batches I have tested, and batches over a year old. More testing to do, but results look encouraging. TDS meters can also be used, but one needs to know the TDS correcting factor of the meter, and will still need to do some mathematical correcting. Meters that read in uS (micro Siemens) are far easier to use. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Steve King ssk...@nildram.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 1999 01:11 Subject: Re: CSMeasuring ppm? Sharon- The general consensus here on the list is that the TDS meter does not measure ppm. Do you feel differently about that? Yes I agree. I think its very difficult to correlate silver ions or very small particles with various charge levels to PPM. The whole discussion about TDS and PWT relates mainly to water purity before the process. The meters also work after the process and show change in conductivity but what the measurements mean I have no idea! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSCoffee Filters (was Pulsed DC method)
James, Yes I would presume so. Most organics, if they have a charge, are negative. And because they are made of large complex molecules can be positive at one point and negative at another. I should think that the charge, if it exists, and if it effects the sol, would only effective for a finite amount of silver passing through. Perhaps a used filter would be less of a problem? Ivan. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 1999 04:42 Subject: RE: CSCoffee Filters (was Pulsed DC method) Ivan, I have been concerned about charge effects of the filter material. Suppose it is negative? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLyme CS
Excellent observation Jeff, Must make a note of it. Ivan - Original Message - From: Jeffrey A. Madore k...@uconect.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 1999 02:58 Subject: Re: CSLyme CS I also noticed that the buildup on the cathode will cling to the cathode if I leave it energized while I remove it from the electrolyte. If I de-energize or disconnect the cathode, some of the buildup falls into the electrolyte. Just an interesting observation. Any comments are welcome. Gob Bless, Jeff - K1LE Jeffrey A. Madore wrote: I am currently experimenting with CS for central nervous system Lyme Disease. I'm looking for personal experiences as to dose rate and results. I made my first batch of CS a few days ago. I used a pint measureing cup, round (coin shaped) 999 silver electrodes spaced 4 apart in distilled water. I used a 12vdc supply and measured the starting current at about 0.12ma. I let it run for 15 hrs and ended up with a final current of 1.5ma. There was no sediment, there was significant treeing at the cathode, and electrolyte was lightly golden. It then darkened more after a day or two. It had a slightly bitter taste. So, I drank a few tablespoons. No noticeable effect. The next day I took 1/4 cup...no noticeable effect. The next day I drank the rest of the jar...no noticeable effect. My question is: I normally herx on antidiotics. What and when should I expect some effect? I just made another batch in a quart jar, electrodes spaced 5 apart. I let it run about 36 hours and limited the current to 1.5ma. This is a little darker and tastes a bit more bitter. Another thing I noticed is that stirring had little effect on electrolyte conductivity. I believe this is due to the low voltage and slow process, and possibly the wide electrode spacing. I also tried a small batch using 10kv AC. I noticed the cone effect. Arcing started within 1 hour. The product is light grey. What does that sound like? In this process, how close to the surface is the electrode uaually spaced? I was set to about 1/8 Is there any advantage in rectifying the 10kv? or in going higher in voltage? One last question: Is flat DC advantageous over raw DC? Any comments are appreciated. I'm falling asleep, too tired for spell check, so I better turn in! God Bless, Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOT - Sick child h2o2
Hi Silver Listers, Ted wrote: Airlines use H2O2 to disinfect their water tanks,... An American company nearly lost its licence because a staff member tried to send me a 1 Litre bottle of 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide by air for research. Thanks god the Air Transport and the Customs authorities overlooked this classified offence. Buy but please do not request for delivery by air.It is not only highly corrosive but also explosive. Fred wrote: ..I must extend a greater caution about using 35% 'Food' Grade- IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! The bottle I bought had a slight leak on the way home and when I removed it from the protective plastic bag the label crumbled in my hand,.my hands started stinging/burning and turning white! The human system produces Catalase and Superoxide Dismutase [SOD] for the catalysis of Hydrogen Peroxide and Superoxides generated in the body. It has been observed that there is about a 1% of the human population born with a congenital deficiency of the catalytic enzyme, Catalase. Those who take Hydrogen Peroxide orally, should bear this genetic idiosyncrasy in mind. Be mindful of the dilution and the dosage. The consequences of oxygen bubbles form under the skin,causing the burning sensation are dreadful. In the same vein, I recall a Rife-list posting. [ On Tue,2 Nov 1999 ] Char Boehm wrote: ...that hydrogen peroxide and O2 radicals secreted by some mycoplasmas can damage surrounding tissues. I share your anxiety over such possibilities. The human system deals in such a situation by mobilizing its enzyme.catalase,to catalyze H2O2 to harmless water and oxygen. Its botanical equivalence is peroxidase. The danger materializes only when there is a congenital absence of the enzyme,catalase. Please refer to these URLs if you care for more information on the subject under discussion. Http://medic.med.uth.tmc.edu/path/catalase.htm Http://www.acccessexcellence.org/21st/TE/PW/EXP/ENZ/enz-fwd.html And are there certain metabolic situations in which these molecules become radicals, and therefore harmful instead of beneficial? For that matter,metabolically, combustion of glucose produces free radicals besides energy for bodily activities. But these are quickly mopped up by the free radical scavengers [ antioxidants ] in the body,namely, Viatamin C, E and Selenium. It might be a consolation for you to know that the body sometimes needs the free radicals to activate physio-chemical processes. The first cry of a baby when his or her umbilical cord is clamped or ligated at birth, is initiated by the generation of these so called undesirablefree radicals. With regards. Lew t...@home.com wrote: The best way to take H2O2 is start with one drop of 35% in a glass of water 3 time each day, increase one drop each day until you either reach 25 drops 3 time per day or until you can no longer stand the taste then reverse the process back to 0. I reached 15 drops 3 times a day and could no longer stand the taste. Airlines use H2O2 to disinfect their water tanks, once you know what H2O2 taste like you will never forget it. Ted Fred wrote: Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC wrote: Have you heard of anyone using hydrogen peroxide internally? If so, for what and how much. I have heard that bodybuilders using steroids take a teaspoon to control the severe acne associated anabolic steriods. As Marshall stated the drug store 3% grade is not suited for internal use! However, I did a lot of research on H2O2 for medicinal uses and feel I must extend a greater caution about using the 35% 'food' grade - IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! The bottle I bought had a slight leak on the way home and when I removed it from the protective plastic bag the label crumbled in my hand, appearing to have been burned! While trying to spread it out to read the cautions my hands started stinging/burning and turning white! I went to the web to research what was happening and discovered that oxygen bubbles form under the skin, causing the burning sensation and that a spill on your clothes could cause them to burst into flames. It is an extremely strong oxidizer and thus a fire hazard and needs to be stored in your freezer for safety. It will not freeze until far below 32F! If you buy it, you should immediately dilute it 10:1 with distilled water. As to drinking it, I can not tolerate more then 3 drops of 3% in a glass of water, as I gag on the bubbles in my throat. There are many uses for it and excellent results (many books are available about internal uses) but it is so hard to tolerate I
Re: CSOT Kidney Theft is Hoax
Go to your favorite arch engine and type urban legend it will be there along with a lot of others you might have heard. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMeasuring ppm?
Ivan- More testing to do, but results look encouraging. TDS meters can also be used, but one needs to know the TDS correcting factor of the meter, and will still need to do some mathematical correcting. Meters that read in uS (micro Siemens) are far easier to use. Very much looking forward to your numbers. Thanx, Steve King -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSround conductive pot idea
Ivan Anderson wrote: Hi Marshal, James H-M, I believe that the silver, which has been disassociated during generation at low current density, exist as single silver ions not clumps. It is not until the power is withdrawn that the ions flocculate into stable clusters of multi-ion particles. This can be easily disproved by shining a laser thought the water while it is being made. If they were ions, there would be no Tyndall. But if you do it you will see the Tyndall build up continuously until you remove the power, at which time it stabalizes. Since the ions are all positively charged, they would mutually repel each other. What force would bring to together to flocculate with each other once the current is removed? I remember Bob Lee saying something along these lines, some time ago. In electroplating a silver anode is used to replace the silver ions deposited at the cathode. There are many parameters which are manipulated in silver plating to provide a smooth shiny finish, not least being the metal that the silver is being deposited on. In the case of silver plating, then the liquid will have silver cyanide, silver nitrate, or other water soluable silver compound dissolved in it. In that case then the silver does indeed travel as ions. But we have already deteremined that if you have salts involved you get compounds of silver and that is why you want only distilled water. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSMore than one way to distill water?
At 10:15 AM 11/2/99 -0600, you wrote: Does anyone have prices for these units. They aren't listed on the web site. They want you to go through their dist. Just wanted a ball park price. BillH they -are-expensive. I bought mine overseas so its hard to correlate but I'm guessing around 300-400$ for the 1 gal/batch model? Steve King -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSGraph Only(Ivans)
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CSReading Graph(Ivan's)
Example: CS resistance = 20,000 or 20Kohms Resistance should be Ohms x 10,000 not 1,000 1. Go to the number 2 (20K / 10K = 2) slide your finger to the right, you should end up between 210 and 240 minutes. 2. From there, slide your finger up until you intersect the lower curve marked ppm. 3. From there, slide your finger to the left. You should end up between 12 and 14, which is 13ppm. Technically, the solid dots are the measured ppm values. I think the curves represent an average.? Ivan? Starting from step 2: If you slide you finger up to the solid dot in stead of the ppm curve you end up with 15 ppm. solid dots - measured ppm circles - measured/calculated CS resistance squares - measured conductivity BillH -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: OT;Silly kidney story
I'm suspicious of these legends. Need more proof in most cases. Trem Dear Trem, Me too. Did anyone notice they guy had BOTH his kidneys supposedly removed?? Didn`t that set off any bells? You can`t live for long without any kidneys! Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSround conductive pot idea
Hi Guys, This sounds highly possible. But if so, what controls the final size? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSround conductive pot idea Hi Marshal, James H-M, I believe that the silver, which has been disassociated during generation at low current density, exist as single silver ions not clumps. It is not until the power is withdrawn that the ions flocculate into stable clusters of multi-ion particles. I remember Bob Lee saying something along these lines, some time ago. In electroplating a silver anode is used to replace the silver ions deposited at the cathode. There are many parameters which are manipulated in silver plating to provide a smooth shiny finish, not least being the metal that the silver is being deposited on. A porous powdery finish is one of the major problems to be overcome in the electrodeposition of metals. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 1999 10:09 Subject: Re: CSround conductive pot idea Actually the black is silver, which is plating out. The difference is that if it were a silver compound, then the atoms would attach to the metal one by one, giving a smooth shiny finish. But since CS is made up of clumps of 100 to 5,000 atoms of silver, when they plate out, they end up as a very fine power on the surface, which is black. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSOT Kidney Harvesting - Scary Stuff
Psst, hey buddy, ya wanna buy a hot kidney... James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Robert Ratliff [SMTP:bobratl...@iname.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:RE: CSOT Kidney Harvesting - Scary Stuff Kidney Thieves Terrorize Austin Updated 11/20/97 Reproduced below is a phony news item that has been circulating on the Internet for the past month or so. It's a particularly entertaining variation of a myth which has previously targeted cities such as Las Vegas and New Orleans. Don't believe a word of it. The Daily Texan, in which the item allegedly first appeared, ran an editorial on November 20 which stated, in part: Apparently, a message titled A reason not to party anymore is circling the globe. The message's anonymous author claims that The Texan ran an article reporting that a group of organized crime members -- kidney thieves -- is roaming about the country and slipping drugs into innocent college students' drinks... It never happened. Not at the University, not in Austin, not in a plane, not in a train, not even in a box or with a fox... The kidney-theft story is an urban myth. Don't believe it. If you get e-mail about it, please respond and tell the sender the truth. For a complete debunking of organ theft rumors and links to further information, see The Kidney Snatchers, elsewhere on this site. -- Forwarded message -- This story came from the Daily Texan - the University of Texas newspaper. Apparently it occured during Fall Premier - a UT tradition that is a celebration of the end of midterms. Reason to not party anymore This guy went out last Saturday night to a party. He was having a good time, had a couple of beers and some girl seemed to like him and invited him to go to another party. He quickly agreed and decided to go along with her. She took him to a party in some apartment and they continued to drink, and even got involved with some other drugs (unknown which). The next thing he knew, he woke up completely naked in a bathtub filled with ice. He was still feeling the effects of the drugs, but looked around to see he was alone. He looked down at his chest, which had CALL 911 OR YOU WILL DIE written on it in lipstick. He saw a phone was on a stand next to the tub, so he picked it up and dialed. He explained to the EMS operator what the situation was and that he didn't know where he was, what he took, or why he was really calling. She advised him to get out of the tub. He did, and she asked him to look himself over in the mirror. He did, and appeared normal, so she told him to check his back. He did, only to find two 9 inch slits on his lower back. She told him to get back in the tub immediately, and they sent a rescue team over. Apparently, after being examined, he found out more of what had happened. His kidneys were stolen. They are worth 10,000 dollars each on the black market. (I was unaware this even existed.) Several guesses are in order: The second party was a sham, the people involved had to be at least medical students, and it was not just recreational drugs he was given. Regardless, he is currently in the hospital on life support, awaiting a spare kidney. The University of Texas in conjunction with Baylor University Medical Center is conducting tissue research to match the sophomore student with a donor. I wish to warn you about a new crime ring that is targeting business travelers. This ring is well organized, well funded, has very skilled personnel, and is currently in most major cities and recently very active in New Orleans. The crime begins when a business traveler goes to a lounge for a drink at the end of the work day. A person in the bar walks up as they sit alone and offers to buy them a drink. The last thing the traveler remembers until they wake up in a hotel room bath tub, their body submerged to their neck in ice, is sipping that drink. There is a note taped to the wall instructing them not to move and to call 911. A phone is on a small table next to the bathtub for them to call. The business traveler calls 911 who have become quite familiar with this crime. The business traveler is instructed by the 911 operator to very slowly and carefully reach behind them and feel if there is a tube protruding from their lower back. The business traveler finds the tube and answers, Yes. The 911 operator tells them to remain still, having already sent paramedics to help. The operator knows that both of the business traveler's kidneys have been harvested. This is not a scam or out of a science fiction novel, it is real. It is documented and confirmable. If you travel or someone close to you travels, please be careful. Sadly, this is very true. My husband is a Houston firefighter/EMT and they have received alerts regarding this crime ring. It is to be taken very seriously. The daughter of a friend of a fellow firefighter had this happen to her. Skilled
RE: CS OT SLS
I endorse this statement and position. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Sam Earle [SMTP:sear...@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 7:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS OT SLS Can't cite the source, but I read some time ago that sodium laurel sulfate is extremely small molecule that is easily absorbed through the skin and which enters the brain and collects there, doing whatever powerful solvents do in the brain. If it's associated with cancer, it wouldn't surprise me, as solvents (notably isopropyl alcohols and benzine) are catalytic in the parasite reproductive cycle anomaly that appears to cause most tumor-based cancers. I've avoid SLS for a couple of years now, and I'd certainly advise anyone else to do the same. The suspect letter is almost certainly an urban legend. No attorney or executive director of a medical organization is going to circulate such a missive on the internet and keep his job for more than 48 hours. Someone in that kind of position, if he had the gumption to launch such a campaign, would have access to much more powerful means. Why would anyone listen to a lawyer talk about medicine, especially one employed by a medical organization that clearly isn't backing him? Tragically, the warning is valid and the moron who cooked up this hoax has muddied the credibility of anyone else who says so. Thus, I suspect the moron works for a shampoo manufacturer or a specialty chemicals company that makes SLS. And so it goes... Sam I've heard rumors that it affects permeability of Brain/Blood system. No time to check. Maybe if I stopped writing so much e-mail... I don't trust their cancer reports anyway. It is becoming obvious that anyone who come up with bad data for the Corporations gets no more funding. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com File: ATT4.html The best way to check something like this is to look at the MSDS. All chemical products have an MSDS sheet, and it can be requested from the company. Here is the MSDS on sodium Laureth sulfate which shows the stuff to be rather nasty, but no cancer causing: http://hazard.com/msds/h/q393/q137.html Which specifically states: LD50-LC50 Mixture: ORAL LD50(RAT): 1288 MG/KG Route Of Entry - Inhalation: YES Route Of Entry - Skin: YES Route Of Entry - Ingestion: YES Health Haz Acute And Chronic: MAY BE HARMFUL IF INHALED, SWALLOWED/IF ABSORBED THROUGH THE SKIN. SEVERE EYE IRRITANT. SKIN: IRRITATION. MATERIAL IS IRRITATING TO MUCOUS MEMBRANES UPPER RESPIRATORY TRACT. ALLERGIC RESPIRATORY REACTION. MAY CAUSE PULMONARY SENSITIZATION RESULTING IN HYPERACTIVE AIRWAY DYSFUNCTION/PULMONARY ALLERGY. MAY AFFECT LUNGS Carcinogenicity - NTP: NO Carcinogenicity - IARC: NO Carcinogenicity - OSHA: NO Explanation Carcinogenicity: NONE Signs/Symptoms Of Overexp: IRRITATION, BURNING, COUGHING, WHEEZING, LARYNGITIS, SHORTNESS OF BREATH, HEADACHE, NAUSEA, VOMITING, SNEEZING, FATIGUE, MALAISE, ACHING. Emergency/First Aid Proc: EYES/SKIN: IMMEDIATELY FLUSH W/COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF WATER FOR 15 MINS. INHALATION: REMOVE TO FRESH AIR. GIVE CPR/ OXYGEN IF NECESSARY. INGESTION: WASH OUT MOUTH W/WATER IF CONSCIOUS. OBTAIN MEDICAL ATTENTION IN ALL CASES. === Precautions for Safe Handling and Use === Steps If Matl Released/Spill: EVACUATE AREA. WEAR SELF CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS, RUBBER BOOTS HEAVY RUBBER GLOVES. SWEEP UP, PLACE IN A BAG HOLD FOR WASTE DISPOSAL. AVOID RAISING DUST. VENTILATE AREA WASH SITE AFTER MATERIAL PICKUP IS COMPLETE. Waste Disposal Method: DISSOLVE/MIX THE MATERIAL W/A COMBUSTIBLE SOLVENT BURN IN A CHEMICAL INCINERATOR EQUIPPED W/AN AFTERBURNER SCRUBBER. DISPOSE OF IN ACCORDANCE W/LOCAL, STATE FEDERAL REGULATIONS. Precautions-Handling/Storing: STORE IN A COOL, DRY PLACE. KEEP TIGHTLY CLOSED. Other Precautions: AVOID INHALATION. DON'T GET IN EYES, ON SKIN/ON CLOTHING. AVOID PROLONGED/REPEATED EXPOSURE. === Anna G Warmuth wrote: Hey guys, this looks like a hoax according to the urban legends site, it is. If you want to see what they have to say, follow the link below. http://urbanlegends.about.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/library/weekl y/aa090998.htm?terms=SODIUM+LAURETH+SULFATEPM=113_300_T -Original Message- From: James Houston-McMillan jho...@icon.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 2:52 AM Subject: CS OT SLS Subject: Serious Check the ingredients listed on your shampoo bottle, and see if they have a substance by the name of Sodium Laureth Sulfate, or simply SLS. This substance is found in most
RE: CSCoffee Filters (was Pulsed DC method)
Hi Ivan, That all sounds good to me, bearing in mind my limited understanding of it all. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSCoffee Filters (was Pulsed DC method) James, Yes I would presume so. Most organics, if they have a charge, are negative. And because they are made of large complex molecules can be positive at one point and negative at another. I should think that the charge, if it exists, and if it effects the sol, would only effective for a finite amount of silver passing through. Perhaps a used filter would be less of a problem? Ivan. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 1999 04:42 Subject: RE: CSCoffee Filters (was Pulsed DC method) Ivan, I have been concerned about charge effects of the filter material. Suppose it is negative? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSround conductive pot idea
Marshall is thinking! James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 8:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSround conductive pot idea Ivan Anderson wrote: Hi Marshal, James H-M, I believe that the silver, which has been disassociated during generation at low current density, exist as single silver ions not clumps. It is not until the power is withdrawn that the ions flocculate into stable clusters of multi-ion particles. This can be easily disproved by shining a laser thought the water while it is being made. If they were ions, there would be no Tyndall. But if you do it you will see the Tyndall build up continuously until you remove the power, at which time it stabalizes. Since the ions are all positively charged, they would mutually repel each other. What force would bring to together to flocculate with each other once the current is removed? I remember Bob Lee saying something along these lines, some time ago. In electroplating a silver anode is used to replace the silver ions deposited at the cathode. There are many parameters which are manipulated in silver plating to provide a smooth shiny finish, not least being the metal that the silver is being deposited on. In the case of silver plating, then the liquid will have silver cyanide, silver nitrate, or other water soluable silver compound dissolved in it. In that case then the silver does indeed travel as ions. But we have already deteremined that if you have salts involved you get compounds of silver and that is why you want only distilled water. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSGraphs of Concentrations(resp)(resp)
Ivan, Is there any advantage to raising the source voltage? I have noticed a slight bitter taste in my CS sol after about 2 days. Could the bitter taste be from silver which has lost its charge? I start out at 16VDC and end around 7VDC(system current regulated). The is no visible signs of fall out. Is it possible that the silver which has fallen out is to small to see? BillH -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 1:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGraphs of Concentrations(resp)(resp) Bill, It is very reassuring that your results correlate well with my admittedly rough graph. Next ones will be more controlled and hopefully benefit more listers. Will run 3 x 9v batteries in my container and also an 8oz tumbler. Will test the conductivity meter also. Cheers Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGraph Only(Ivans)
I have noted a few things about the graph that don't seem quite right. Although the actual graph of ppm starts at 0, the data points extrapolate to about 1 ppm. The fit of the ppm to the data points is extremely poor. The last data point is way off the extrapolation of the other points and appears to be a flyer. Looking at the data points, instead of the graph of ppm, it seems that we start off with ppm being less than uS, and at about 130 minutes the slope is equal to the uS and after that time the slope is much higher than the uS slope. The implication of this is that small particles are formed initially and larger ones later, which we already know. But even more important is that we cannot use a simple linear relationship between the uS and the ppm, as the ppm goes up, the uS goes up less fast since the particles get bigger. Marshall Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC wrote: Name: Graph157.gif Graph157.gif Type: GIF Image (image/gif) Encoding: base64 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSdigestive enzymes
Janine, Depending on your problem--but this is what I use for digestive enzymes. BetaineHydrochloride (sounds bad, but it's not) for when you eat a big meal and it just sits there or comes up repeatedly--this works great. I never have to take Tums or whatever OTC stuff you take for indigestion. Pineapple (raw fresh) has something similar in it and works well for the same thing. Papaya (raw fresh) has naturally occuring enzymes too but I don't have as good of success with them alone. The enzymes I started taking that have helped me to gain weight are: Schiff Enzymall -- it has various enzymes in it and I may take it with or in place of an enzyme when food feels like it is just sitting there after you have eaten. I take one a day anyway and I think it has helped with my food absorption and utilization. I no longer look like I've been off starving somewhere. Hope that helps, Susan L In a message dated 11/03/1999 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, garyjan...@email.msn.com writes: Recently there have been some posts about digestive enzymes and the fact that a lot of peoples problems stem from too LITTLE acid and not too much. I didn't catch what was recommended to help this problem. I have had digestive upset for years and finally found out that an anti-depressant worked (suppossedly stress-induced stomach problems) I would like to know what the digestive enzyme was that was recommended and where to get it. Also, someone (not on this list) recommended Papain to help this problem. Any suggestions anyone? Thanks. Janine garyjan...@msn.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSMSM
Got to give credit where it's due! Ordered a bulk shipment of MSM from Dancing Horse in the US and were quite knocked out with the wonderful support offered by Darin, - seems as though he stayed up all night just to return an immediate email reply to our queries!? They sell it at the right price folks, and the service is superb. www.DancingWolf-Inc.com Rob
CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
This seems to be the week for strange emails, anyone seen this one before -Original Message- From: Arizona Angel b...@cybertrails.com To: Sal Rapps sra...@juno.com; Richard Delong richa...@stratos.net; Melissa elveg...@day41.com; Jennifer DeFrates tiggerdsp...@hotmail.com; Jeff jea...@sigecom.net; Doug herman4...@yahoo.com; Denell Cline dcl...@agrium.com; Dave a...@worldnet.att.net; Chris Defrates tig...@csj.net; Bill Shepherd phan...@newnorth.net; bigboy8...@yahoo.com bigboy8...@yahoo.com; Ashok contact_as...@hotmail.com; Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:53 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: Doug McDaniel gdmcdan...@cybertrails.com To: Wayne Hildebrant wkh14...@sprynet.com; Valerie Olson valda...@yahoo.com; Tyler Massey mas...@briggs.k12.ok.us; Travis Byler travdog...@yahoo.com; Robyn Sweeden robynswee...@hotmail.com; Pamela Olson polso...@hotmail.com; MOM susanjane...@yahoo.com; Mike and Deedee Miles madmil...@msn.com; Kent D McDaniel k_macco...@yahoo.com; John Gee jnj...@yahoo.com; Jaime the one that i love kion...@yahoo.com; Helen Cheatham hmcheat...@hotmail.com; Denise and Marty Campbell m...@gilanet.com; Chuck Huggins r-chu...@cwis.net; Cassy Yates lme...@yahoo.com; Bruce Cox bruce...@ionet.net; Brent McDaniel moonshine_co...@yahoo.com; Brent M. Fine bfinee...@aol.com; Brenda b...@cybertrails.com; Brandon and Misti Babitzke babit...@prodigy.net; Ben Reavis breavi...@aol.com; Amy Marie Cheatham amy.cheat...@okdhs.org Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:17 AM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com To: mattmcguir...@hotmail.com mattmcguir...@hotmail.com; zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu; scooter...@yahoo.com scooter...@yahoo.com; jb...@cwis.net jb...@cwis.net; markmcgui...@hotmail.com markmcgui...@hotmail.com; melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu; nathangorm...@hotmail.com nathangorm...@hotmail.com; penny...@hotmail.com penny...@hotmail.com; b...@rocketmail.com b...@rocketmail.com; be...@hotmail.com be...@hotmail.com; wwalke...@aol.com wwalke...@aol.com; sosaelizab...@hotmail.com sosaelizab...@hotmail.com; stark...@aol.com stark...@aol.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: read alone especially the last part! From: Ann Burris jb...@cwis.net To: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:08:53 -0500 -- From: brandon jor...@crosstel.net To: amber satterfield a_nicol...@hotmail.com Cc: tara satterfield t_o...@basketballmail.com; Richard Tarvin spdp...@hotmail.com; nancy nancyle...@hotmail.com; misty mistyda...@hotmail.com; michelle cas...@crosstel.net; jeremy jone...@rocketmail.com; freddie gragg fgr...@crosstel.net; fred russell fersar...@yahoo.com; dennis de...@crosstel.net; david powell powst...@cwis.net; david hall dpty...@yahoo.com; carla guthrie pcg...@worldnet.att.net; brian few b...@cwis.net; brandon rattlesnake1...@hotmail.com; ANN jb...@cwis.net Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:18 PM - Subject: read alone especially the last part! CASE 1: Kelly Sedey had one wish, for her boyfriend of three years, David Marsden, to propose to her. Then one day when she was out to lunch David proposed! She accepted, but then had to leave because she had a meeting in 20 min. When she got to her office, she noticed on her computer she had e-mail. She checked it, the usual stuff from her friends, but then she saw one that she had never gotten before. It was this letter. She simply deleted it without even reading it all. BIG MISTAKE! Later that evening, she received a phone call from the police. It was about DAVID! He had been in an accident with an 18 wheeler. He didn't survive. If she would've sent the letter to 10 people, David wouldn't have died. CASE 2: Take Katie Robbenson. She received this letter and being the believer that she was, she sent it to a few of her friends but didn't have enough e-mail addresses to send out the full 10 that you must. Three days later, Katie went to a masquerade ball. Later that night when she left to get to her car to go home,
Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
At 06:23 PM 11/04/1999 -0600, you wrote: This seems to be the week for strange emails, anyone seen this one before Hi Anna, You sent this out to a batch of people here on this list. I usually receive one similar to this once or twice a month. I usually delete them. How about keeping me posted as to the good luck that you can legitimately point to this letter and say it was likely because of this letter that it happened. In other words, something you was not expecting. Thanks, Harvey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSround conductive pot idea
Hello Marshall, - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 5 November 1999 04:06 Subject: Re: CSround conductive pot idea Ivan Anderson wrote: Hi Marshal, James H-M, I believe that the silver, which has been disassociated during generation at low current density, exist as single silver ions not clumps. It is not until the power is withdrawn that the ions flocculate into stable clusters of multi-ion particles. This can be easily disproved by shining a laser thought the water while it is being made. If they were ions, there would be no Tyndall. But if you do it you will see the Tyndall build up continuously until you remove the power, at which time it stabalizes. Well that is just the thing, I have no Tyndal effect until well after the power is withdrawn. Since the ions are all positively charged, they would mutually repel each other. What force would bring to together to flocculate with each other once the current is removed? Van de Waals force is a long range attractive force occuring between any two particles of the same material and is present in all lyophobic sols. The electrostatic repulsion which opposes aggrigation, and the attractive force which acts to bind particles together if they come into close enough contact, is explained by the DLVO theory. I remember Bob Lee saying something along these lines, some time ago. In electroplating a silver anode is used to replace the silver ions deposited at the cathode. There are many parameters which are manipulated in silver plating to provide a smooth shiny finish, not least being the metal that the silver is being deposited on. In the case of silver plating, then the liquid will have silver cyanide, silver nitrate, or other water soluable silver compound dissolved in it. In that case then the silver does indeed travel as ions. But we have already deteremined that if you have salts involved you get compounds of silver and that is why you want only distilled water. The point is, that the initial supply of silver ions, as supplied by the dissolved silver salt, is depleated in plating the cathodic objects, but, is resupplied by the dissolution of the silver anode as silver ions into the solution, not as clumps. In other words, I suspect the same ionic dissolution of the siver anode takes place in distilled water, in low current DC systems. Marshall Regards Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSround conductive pot idea
Good question James, I don't know for sure, but I suspect there are crystalline structures of silver ions which have a particular shape and number of particles, and which are reasonably stable. These crystals (if they exist) may resist the joining of other ions or partly formed crystals, thermodynamically. Sounds good anyway. Ivan. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 5 November 1999 06:24 Subject: RE: CSround conductive pot idea Hi Guys, This sounds highly possible. But if so, what controls the final size? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSround conductive pot idea Hi Marshal, James H-M, I believe that the silver, which has been disassociated during generation at low current density, exist as single silver ions not clumps. It is not until the power is withdrawn that the ions flocculate into stable clusters of multi-ion particles. I remember Bob Lee saying something along these lines, some time ago. In electroplating a silver anode is used to replace the silver ions deposited at the cathode. There are many parameters which are manipulated in silver plating to provide a smooth shiny finish, not least being the metal that the silver is being deposited on. A porous powdery finish is one of the major problems to be overcome in the electrodeposition of metals. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
I have no problem with slightly off topic postings particularly when related to alternative medicine. But threatening email chain letters (send this on or else) are another matter. This is worse than spam, it is spam with botulism. This type of posting should be banned and its source reprimanded. -Original Message- From: Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! This seems to be the week for strange emails, anyone seen this one before -Original Message- From: Arizona Angel b...@cybertrails.com To: Sal Rapps sra...@juno.com; Richard Delong richa...@stratos.net; Melissa elveg...@day41.com; Jennifer DeFrates tiggerdsp...@hotmail.com; Jeff jea...@sigecom.net; Doug herman4...@yahoo.com; Denell Cline dcl...@agrium.com; Dave a...@worldnet.att.net; Chris Defrates tig...@csj.net; Bill Shepherd phan...@newnorth.net; bigboy8...@yahoo.com bigboy8...@yahoo.com; Ashok contact_as...@hotmail.com; Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:53 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: Doug McDaniel gdmcdan...@cybertrails.com To: Wayne Hildebrant wkh14...@sprynet.com; Valerie Olson valda...@yahoo.com; Tyler Massey mas...@briggs.k12.ok.us; Travis Byler travdog...@yahoo.com; Robyn Sweeden robynswee...@hotmail.com; Pamela Olson polso...@hotmail.com; MOM susanjane...@yahoo.com; Mike and Deedee Miles madmil...@msn.com; Kent D McDaniel k_macco...@yahoo.com; John Gee jnj...@yahoo.com; Jaime the one that i love kion...@yahoo.com; Helen Cheatham hmcheat...@hotmail.com; Denise and Marty Campbell m...@gilanet.com; Chuck Huggins r-chu...@cwis.net; Cassy Yates lme...@yahoo.com; Bruce Cox bruce...@ionet.net; Brent McDaniel moonshine_co...@yahoo.com; Brent M. Fine bfinee...@aol.com; Brenda b...@cybertrails.com; Brandon and Misti Babitzke babit...@prodigy.net; Ben Reavis breavi...@aol.com; Amy Marie Cheatham amy.cheat...@okdhs.org Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:17 AM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com To: mattmcguir...@hotmail.com mattmcguir...@hotmail.com; zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu; scooter...@yahoo.com scooter...@yahoo.com; jb...@cwis.net jb...@cwis.net; markmcgui...@hotmail.com markmcgui...@hotmail.com; melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu; nathangorm...@hotmail.com nathangorm...@hotmail.com; penny...@hotmail.com penny...@hotmail.com; b...@rocketmail.com b...@rocketmail.com; be...@hotmail.com be...@hotmail.com; wwalke...@aol.com wwalke...@aol.com; sosaelizab...@hotmail.com sosaelizab...@hotmail.com; stark...@aol.com stark...@aol.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: read alone especially the last part! From: Ann Burris jb...@cwis.net To: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:08:53 -0500 -- From: brandon jor...@crosstel.net To: amber satterfield a_nicol...@hotmail.com Cc: tara satterfield t_o...@basketballmail.com; Richard Tarvin spdp...@hotmail.com; nancy nancyle...@hotmail.com; misty mistyda...@hotmail.com; michelle cas...@crosstel.net; jeremy jone...@rocketmail.com; freddie gragg fgr...@crosstel.net; fred russell fersar...@yahoo.com; dennis de...@crosstel.net; david powell powst...@cwis.net; david hall dpty...@yahoo.com; carla guthrie pcg...@worldnet.att.net; brian few b...@cwis.net; brandon rattlesnake1...@hotmail.com; ANN jb...@cwis.net Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:18 PM - Subject: read alone especially the last part! CASE 1: Kelly Sedey had one wish, for her boyfriend of three years, David Marsden, to propose to her. Then one day when she was out to lunch David proposed! She accepted, but then had to leave because she had a meeting in 20 min. When she got to her office, she noticed on her computer she had e-mail. She checked it, the usual stuff from her friends, but then she saw one that she had never gotten before. It was this letter. She simply deleted it without even reading it all. BIG MISTAKE! Later that evening, she received a phone call from the police. It was about DAVID! He had been in an accident with an 18 wheeler. He didn't survive. If she would've sent the letter to 10 people, David wouldn't have died.
Re: CSGraphs of Concentrations(resp)(resp)
Bill, Raising the source voltage will shorten the time taken to reach the current limit. After that it has no effect as the voltage will drop as the resistance of the cell decreases. I have noticed an extremely bitter taste of some experimental brews that I stopped generating at 20ppm, but which rose to 50+ ppm after 48 hrs. I think it may be due to silver colloids consisting of multi-ion particles perhaps of greater than plus 1 valency (Ag++ or Ag+++). Bob Lee may be able to elucidate further. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC hut...@ncsc.navy.mil To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 5 November 1999 07:58 Subject: RE: CSGraphs of Concentrations(resp)(resp) Ivan, Is there any advantage to raising the source voltage? I have noticed a slight bitter taste in my CS sol after about 2 days. Could the bitter taste be from silver which has lost its charge? I start out at 16VDC and end around 7VDC(system current regulated). The is no visible signs of fall out. Is it possible that the silver which has fallen out is to small to see? BillH -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 1:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGraphs of Concentrations(resp)(resp) Bill, It is very reassuring that your results correlate well with my admittedly rough graph. Next ones will be more controlled and hopefully benefit more listers. Will run 3 x 9v batteries in my container and also an 8oz tumbler. Will test the conductivity meter also. Cheers Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
Bill Schramm wrote: I have no problem with slightly off topic postings particularly when related to alternative medicine. But threatening email chain letters (send this on or else) are another matter. This is worse than spam, it is spam with botulism. This type of posting should be banned and its source reprimanded. Snipage Since you sent it on too, Bill, let us know how your luck goes! Jeff (OD-ing on CS :-) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
DELETE THIS CRAP IMMEDIATELY. IT IS SUPERSTITIOUS, FEAR-BASED CHAIN LETTERING AT ITS WORST! IF YOU READ IT AND ATTEMPT TO DENY ITS POWER YOU WILL CONVINCE YOURSELF IT'S REAL. (end scream) Seriously, folks. Most peope will sneer when you tell them if they want to be healthy all they have to do is believe they are. But then suggest to the same person taht he sit and imagine every day for 20 minutes that he has a horrible, terminal disease. He'll recoil in horror at the prospect, knowing that he'd probably make himself very ill by doing as you suggest. It's unfortunate but true that this body-mind we inhabit with our semi-conscious true mind finds fear much more powerful than love, even though love is real and fear but an illusion. So do not go where your fear-based body-mind wishes to be drawn. Dismiss and delete before it becomes something you feed to the idiot computer called a subconscious, which will create whatever you suggest. Be well. Sam - Original Message - From: Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 7:23 PM Subject: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! This seems to be the week for strange emails, anyone seen this one before -Original Message- From: Arizona Angel b...@cybertrails.com To: Sal Rapps sra...@juno.com; Richard Delong richa...@stratos.net; Melissa elveg...@day41.com; Jennifer DeFrates tiggerdsp...@hotmail.com; Jeff jea...@sigecom.net; Doug herman4...@yahoo.com; Denell Cline dcl...@agrium.com; Dave a...@worldnet.att.net; Chris Defrates tig...@csj.net; Bill Shepherd phan...@newnorth.net; bigboy8...@yahoo.com bigboy8...@yahoo.com; Ashok contact_as...@hotmail.com; Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:53 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: Doug McDaniel gdmcdan...@cybertrails.com To: Wayne Hildebrant wkh14...@sprynet.com; Valerie Olson valda...@yahoo.com; Tyler Massey mas...@briggs.k12.ok.us; Travis Byler travdog...@yahoo.com; Robyn Sweeden robynswee...@hotmail.com; Pamela Olson polso...@hotmail.com; MOM susanjane...@yahoo.com; Mike and Deedee Miles madmil...@msn.com; Kent D McDaniel k_macco...@yahoo.com; John Gee jnj...@yahoo.com; Jaime the one that i love kion...@yahoo.com; Helen Cheatham hmcheat...@hotmail.com; Denise and Marty Campbell m...@gilanet.com; Chuck Huggins r-chu...@cwis.net; Cassy Yates lme...@yahoo.com; Bruce Cox bruce...@ionet.net; Brent McDaniel moonshine_co...@yahoo.com; Brent M. Fine bfinee...@aol.com; Brenda b...@cybertrails.com; Brandon and Misti Babitzke babit...@prodigy.net; Ben Reavis breavi...@aol.com; Amy Marie Cheatham amy.cheat...@okdhs.org Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:17 AM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com To: mattmcguir...@hotmail.com mattmcguir...@hotmail.com; zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu; scooter...@yahoo.com scooter...@yahoo.com; jb...@cwis.net jb...@cwis.net; markmcgui...@hotmail.com markmcgui...@hotmail.com; melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu; nathangorm...@hotmail.com nathangorm...@hotmail.com; penny...@hotmail.com penny...@hotmail.com; b...@rocketmail.com b...@rocketmail.com; be...@hotmail.com be...@hotmail.com; wwalke...@aol.com wwalke...@aol.com; sosaelizab...@hotmail.com sosaelizab...@hotmail.com; stark...@aol.com stark...@aol.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: read alone especially the last part! From: Ann Burris jb...@cwis.net To: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:08:53 -0500 -- From: brandon jor...@crosstel.net To: amber satterfield a_nicol...@hotmail.com Cc: tara satterfield t_o...@basketballmail.com; Richard Tarvin spdp...@hotmail.com; nancy nancyle...@hotmail.com; misty mistyda...@hotmail.com; michelle cas...@crosstel.net; jeremy jone...@rocketmail.com; freddie gragg fgr...@crosstel.net; fred russell fersar...@yahoo.com; dennis de...@crosstel.net; david powell powst...@cwis.net; david hall dpty...@yahoo.com; carla guthrie pcg...@worldnet.att.net; brian few b...@cwis.net; brandon rattlesnake1...@hotmail.com; ANN jb...@cwis.net Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:18 PM - Subject: read alone especially the last part! CASE 1: Kelly Sedey had one wish, for her boyfriend of three years, David Marsden, to propose to her. Then one day when she was out to lunch David proposed! She accepted, but then had to leave because she had a meeting in 20 min. When she got to her office, she
Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
Sam Earle wrote: DELETE THIS CRAP IMMEDIATELY. IT IS SUPERSTITIOUS, FEAR-BASED CHAIN LETTERING AT ITS WORST! IF YOU READ IT AND ATTEMPT TO DENY ITS POWER YOU WILL CONVINCE YOURSELF IT'S REAL. (end scream) Be well. Sam - Original Message - Snip Let's see...now three people have forwarded it. Keep us posted on how things are going folks!!! I can't take a chance on forwarding it. If things got any better I'd get scared! Seriously, I very greatful to the people on this list for helping me to get going with CS. After 10 years of Lyme and loads of antibiotics, I'm seeing improvements that I haven't felt in years. To God be the glory! Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
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I don't think this list is the place to send your chain letters. Some of us don not appreciate all of the junk that results from it Carol Ivy.gif
RE: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
Now you've gone an done it Bill! Ai, we are all cursed! James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Bill Schramm [SMTP:wschr...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 6:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! I have no problem with slightly off topic postings particularly when related to alternative medicine. But threatening email chain letters (send this on or else) are another matter. This is worse than spam, it is spam with botulism. This type of posting should be banned and its source reprimanded. -Original Message- From: Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! This seems to be the week for strange emails, anyone seen this one before -Original Message- From: Arizona Angel b...@cybertrails.com To: Sal Rapps sra...@juno.com; Richard Delong richa...@stratos.net; Melissa elveg...@day41.com; Jennifer DeFrates tiggerdsp...@hotmail.com; Jeff jea...@sigecom.net; Doug herman4...@yahoo.com; Denell Cline dcl...@agrium.com; Dave a...@worldnet.att.net; Chris Defrates tig...@csj.net; Bill Shepherd phan...@newnorth.net; bigboy8...@yahoo.com bigboy8...@yahoo.com; Ashok contact_as...@hotmail.com; Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:53 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: Doug McDaniel gdmcdan...@cybertrails.com To: Wayne Hildebrant wkh14...@sprynet.com; Valerie Olson valda...@yahoo.com; Tyler Massey mas...@briggs.k12.ok.us; Travis Byler travdog...@yahoo.com; Robyn Sweeden robynswee...@hotmail.com; Pamela Olson polso...@hotmail.com; MOM susanjane...@yahoo.com; Mike and Deedee Miles madmil...@msn.com; Kent D McDaniel k_macco...@yahoo.com; John Gee jnj...@yahoo.com; Jaime the one that i love kion...@yahoo.com; Helen Cheatham hmcheat...@hotmail.com; Denise and Marty Campbell m...@gilanet.com; Chuck Huggins r-chu...@cwis.net; Cassy Yates lme...@yahoo.com; Bruce Cox bruce...@ionet.net; Brent McDaniel moonshine_co...@yahoo.com; Brent M. Fine bfinee...@aol.com; Brenda b...@cybertrails.com; Brandon and Misti Babitzke babit...@prodigy.net; Ben Reavis breavi...@aol.com; Amy Marie Cheatham amy.cheat...@okdhs.org Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:17 AM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com To: mattmcguir...@hotmail.com mattmcguir...@hotmail.com; zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu; scooter...@yahoo.com scooter...@yahoo.com; jb...@cwis.net jb...@cwis.net; markmcgui...@hotmail.com markmcgui...@hotmail.com; melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu; nathangorm...@hotmail.com nathangorm...@hotmail.com; penny...@hotmail.com penny...@hotmail.com; b...@rocketmail.com b...@rocketmail.com; be...@hotmail.com be...@hotmail.com; wwalke...@aol.com wwalke...@aol.com; sosaelizab...@hotmail.com sosaelizab...@hotmail.com; stark...@aol.com stark...@aol.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: read alone especially the last part! From: Ann Burris jb...@cwis.net To: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:08:53 -0500 -- From: brandon jor...@crosstel.net To: amber satterfield a_nicol...@hotmail.com Cc: tara satterfield t_o...@basketballmail.com; Richard Tarvin spdp...@hotmail.com; nancy nancyle...@hotmail.com; misty mistyda...@hotmail.com; michelle cas...@crosstel.net; jeremy jone...@rocketmail.com; freddie gragg fgr...@crosstel.net; fred russell fersar...@yahoo.com; dennis de...@crosstel.net; david powell powst...@cwis.net; david hall dpty...@yahoo.com; carla guthrie pcg...@worldnet.att.net; brian few b...@cwis.net; brandon rattlesnake1...@hotmail.com; ANN jb...@cwis.net Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:18 PM - Subject: read alone especially the last part! CASE 1: Kelly Sedey had one wish, for her boyfriend of three years, David Marsden, to propose to her. Then one day when she was out to lunch David proposed! She accepted, but then had to leave because she had a meeting in 20 min. When she got to her office, she noticed on her computer she had e-mail. She checked it, the usual stuff from her friends, but then she saw one that she had never gotten before. It was this letter. She simply deleted it without even reading it all. BIG MISTAKE! Later that evening,
Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part!
Count me in on preferring no chain letters period. They're an insult all way around. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Now you've gone an done it Bill! Ai, we are all cursed! James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Bill Schramm [SMTP:wschr...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 6:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! I have no problem with slightly off topic postings particularly when related to alternative medicine. But threatening email chain letters (send this on or else) are another matter. This is worse than spam, it is spam with botulism. This type of posting should be banned and its source reprimanded. -Original Message- From: Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: CSOT Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! This seems to be the week for strange emails, anyone seen this one before -Original Message- From: Arizona Angel b...@cybertrails.com To: Sal Rapps sra...@juno.com; Richard Delong richa...@stratos.net; Melissa elveg...@day41.com; Jennifer DeFrates tiggerdsp...@hotmail.com; Jeff jea...@sigecom.net; Doug herman4...@yahoo.com; Denell Cline dcl...@agrium.com; Dave a...@worldnet.att.net; Chris Defrates tig...@csj.net; Bill Shepherd phan...@newnorth.net; bigboy8...@yahoo.com bigboy8...@yahoo.com; Ashok contact_as...@hotmail.com; Anna G Warmuth awarm...@uslink.net Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:53 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: Doug McDaniel gdmcdan...@cybertrails.com To: Wayne Hildebrant wkh14...@sprynet.com; Valerie Olson valda...@yahoo.com; Tyler Massey mas...@briggs.k12.ok.us; Travis Byler travdog...@yahoo.com; Robyn Sweeden robynswee...@hotmail.com; Pamela Olson polso...@hotmail.com; MOM susanjane...@yahoo.com; Mike and Deedee Miles madmil...@msn.com; Kent D McDaniel k_macco...@yahoo.com; John Gee jnj...@yahoo.com; Jaime the one that i love kion...@yahoo.com; Helen Cheatham hmcheat...@hotmail.com; Denise and Marty Campbell m...@gilanet.com; Chuck Huggins r-chu...@cwis.net; Cassy Yates lme...@yahoo.com; Bruce Cox bruce...@ionet.net; Brent McDaniel moonshine_co...@yahoo.com; Brent M. Fine bfinee...@aol.com; Brenda b...@cybertrails.com; Brandon and Misti Babitzke babit...@prodigy.net; Ben Reavis breavi...@aol.com; Amy Marie Cheatham amy.cheat...@okdhs.org Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:17 AM Subject: Fw: Fw: read alone especially the last part! -Original Message- From: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com To: mattmcguir...@hotmail.com mattmcguir...@hotmail.com; zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu zzp8...@ritvax.isc.rit.edu; scooter...@yahoo.com scooter...@yahoo.com; jb...@cwis.net jb...@cwis.net; markmcgui...@hotmail.com markmcgui...@hotmail.com; melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu melissa_br...@mail.okbu.edu; nathangorm...@hotmail.com nathangorm...@hotmail.com; penny...@hotmail.com penny...@hotmail.com; b...@rocketmail.com b...@rocketmail.com; be...@hotmail.com be...@hotmail.com; wwalke...@aol.com wwalke...@aol.com; sosaelizab...@hotmail.com sosaelizab...@hotmail.com; stark...@aol.com stark...@aol.com Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: read alone especially the last part! From: Ann Burris jb...@cwis.net To: april beal aprilb...@hotmail.com Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:08:53 -0500 -- From: brandon jor...@crosstel.net To: amber satterfield a_nicol...@hotmail.com Cc: tara satterfield t_o...@basketballmail.com; Richard Tarvin spdp...@hotmail.com; nancy nancyle...@hotmail.com; misty mistyda...@hotmail.com; michelle cas...@crosstel.net; jeremy jone...@rocketmail.com; freddie gragg fgr...@crosstel.net; fred russell fersar...@yahoo.com; dennis de...@crosstel.net; david powell powst...@cwis.net; david hall dpty...@yahoo.com; carla guthrie pcg...@worldnet.att.net; brian few b...@cwis.net; brandon rattlesnake1...@hotmail.com; ANN jb...@cwis.net Subject: Fw: read alone especially the last part! Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 10:18 PM - Subject: read alone especially the last part! CASE 1: Kelly Sedey had one wish, for her boyfriend of three years, David Marsden, to propose to her. Then one day when she was out to lunch David proposed! She accepted, but then had to leave because she had a meeting in 20 min. When she got to her office, she noticed on her computer she had e-mail. She checked it, the usual stuff from her friends, but then she saw
Re: CSGraph Only(Ivans)
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 5 November 1999 08:11 Subject: Re: CSGraph Only(Ivans) I have noted a few things about the graph that don't seem quite right. Let me restate my introduction that accompanied the original post: In view of the ongoing debate about the suitability of conductivity meters (and TDS meters) in measuring the concentration of silver, I offer this graph of a run I made recently. It is admittedly a bit rough and ready (interruptions, running out of buffer solution etc.) but the trends are clear,... And in a later post: I had a bit of trouble with the ISE measurement. I had run out of KNO3 buffer and so the readings were drifting a bit and I couldn't afford the time to let the measurements settle. Must invest in a magnetic stirrer, as long as that doesn't upset the ions, then I will be able to measure without a buffer. Anyway the all important last measurement put the curve into perspective, and it is not drawn freehand, but by the graph program. Although the actual graph of ppm starts at 0, the data points extrapolate to about 1 ppm. The fit of the ppm to the data points is extremely poor. The last data point is way off the extrapolation of the other points and appears to be a flyer. I did not draw this graph freehand. The graphing program made the curve, the only point I stipulated was the zero point. I had some problems reading the ppm as I did not use a buffer solution to stabilise the reading and I had to make the readings quickly or the time points would be meaningless. My stirring technique was not consistent This is why the data points are up and down. The final ppm reading is one that I know is correct, because I had time to let the reading settle. Looking at the data points, instead of the graph of ppm, it seems that we start off with ppm being less than uS, and at about 130 minutes the slope is equal to the uS and after that time the slope is much higher than the uS slope. You might draw that conclusion, without further information. In fact the ppm curve is about right. The conductivity meter was calibrated using known concentrations of AgNO3 but the conversion factor was not correct, also the conversion factor for Ag+ was not correct, as the posts on conductivity of Ag I posted a week or so ago, testify. The implication of this is that small particles are formed initially and larger ones later, which we already know. But even more important is that we cannot use a simple linear relationship between the uS and the ppm, as the ppm goes up, the uS goes up less fast since the particles get bigger. Given what I have just written you cannot draw these implications at all. The reason that I posted this graph in the first place was to show that there is a relationship between the readings of a conductivity meter, concentration, and resistance as measured at the electrodes. The next set of graphs should be less ambiguous. Marshall Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS[Fwd: CSIntestine, Pt 22]
:-) -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net ---BeginMessage--- Greetings health epicureans of CS, LARGE INTESTINE The large intestine has the form of an inverted U. It is about 5 to 6 feet long, and 2.5 inches in diameter. The small intestine comes into the large intestine from the side and about 2 or 3 inches down from the begining of the large intestine. The part below this point of entry is called the *cecum*. Attached to the bottom of the cecum is the small finger pounch called the *appendix*, which gives much trouble when infected. This is called appendicitis. A severe infection may cause the appendix to rupture, thus spreading the infection to the membranes lining the abdominal cavity and supporting the organs (the viscera) within it. This condition is known as *peritonitis*. Blood poisoning may also occur. The cecum and appendix at one time were involved in the digestion of cellulose, but no longer functions in man. Cows and horses, which feed on grass have well developed cecums. We are now *omnivorous* and have evolved a diet of animal proteins and plant carbohydrates. A healthy balanced diet requires both for continuing body health. We can not digest cellulose from plants, but it does pass through as fiber and helps to keep our intestines healthy. The large intestine (colon) has several functions. The most inportant is absorption of water and disolved salts from the liquidy mass that arrives from the small intestine. This includes water from the foods and water added by the various digestive fluids. Most of the water is reabsorbed in the large intestine during the 12 to 14 hours that the food residues remain there. When the waste does not remain in the colon long enough for the water to be absorbed, it is eliminated in a watery form, and we suffer from *diarrhea*. This can be fatal, especially in infants. The opposite condition is the waste remaining to long and becoming to dry,this is *constipation*, and makes it hard to eliminate the waste. This also can cause death if not attended to in a timely manner. The second important function of the large intestine is to provide the body with certain growth factors such as vitamins. This is accomplished in an interesting way. The large intestine houses vast numbers of bacteria. Many of the bacteria are able to synthesize vitamins and growth factors our own cells cannot make. We benefit by absorbing the excess growth factors that the bacteria themselfs do not use. When antibiotics are taken for any lenght of time , many of the colon bacteria may be destroyed, thus cutting off the normal supply of these growth factors. The body will begin to show signs of vitamin deficiency. The rectum makes up the last 7 to 8 inches of the digestive tract. The opening at the end of the rectum is called the anus. It has two valves ,an inner and an outer ring of muscle (sphincters) The inner ring is of involuntary muscle . The outer ring is voluntary muscle, and early in life a child can learn to control it, usually between two to three years of age. The waste material that arrives from the large intestine to the rectum is called feces. The feces pass from the large intestine through an S-shaped tube into the rectum. The rectum fills up until the individual is ready to eliminate, the muscle contractions in the rectum push the feces toward the annus. The anal sphincter relaxes and the waste passes out of the body. Vigorous peritaltic waves expel the feces in the process of defecation. The feces is a mixture of many things. Ten to fifty percent may be bacteria,and a good part is bulk or *roughage*. this is the part of the food that is undigestable, such as the cellulose of plants we eat. The remains of bile pigments, minerals, and epithelial cells are included. Several million epithelial cells die every minute in the harsh environment of the intestines and are constantly being replaced by new cells. The large intestine receives the liquid residue of material left after digestion. This residue contains other food materials that serve to nourish the enormous population of bacteria that live in the large intestine. Usually these bacteria are perfectly harmless, such as the much studied *escherichia coli*. In the process of their metabolic activities they may produce gases and other oderiferous wastes. Some of the bacteria actually benefie us by producing vitamins such as vitamin B12. Occasionally, harmful bacteria or protozoans may become established in the large intestine. Typhoid fever, Asiatic cholera, and amoebic dysentery are three diseases which are caused by intestinal parasites. They may even invade other organs of the body such as the liver and cause extensive damage. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to:
