CSCommercial Purchase of CS
I bought a few bottles of CS from Gero Vita several months ago. I just tried to reorder and was told that it was discontinued. Where can I buy CS? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHello List
Thanks for the response Trem, I've heard of people heating up the water, adding things to it, and using a previous batch as a starter to speed up the process but hey, who's in a hurry when you're just getting started? Also, I've heard the above increases particle size. Any thoughts on that? I've also heard that it is supposed to turn yellow. Mine didn't, It just had thin strands coming out of the electrodes. Should I care about a yellow color? The coffee filters sound like a good idea. I did see dregs (silver oxide)? floating around in it. You mentioned plating out. Is that sediment falling to the bottom of the container? One last question. I guess we're concerned about the silver being ionic. How long before it looses it's charge? More specifically, what kind of shelf life should I expect before I need to make a new batch? Thanks for your time Andy (^_^) Hello Andy, Welcome. You did good. The only thing I would suggest is to wait until the particles have dispersed throughout the water. This will take about 12 hours. That way you are sure of an even distribution of the silver. Storing in brown containers is OK if you don't want to see how it is doing. Storing in clear HDPE containers such as soft drink containers will let you see whether the CS is plating out. Don't store in direct sunlight or near magnetic fields or in the refrigerator. They all cause fallout. Don't shake it before use. Filter it through a coffee filter after you make it do get rid of dregs. You have made what we call basic CS. It may have particles of various sizes. The large ones will fall out. Fine ones will stay in suspension. Make sure you use distilled water. Most persons start with a small amount and work up to the amount they feel comfortable with. I suggest you start with one teaspoon a day and work you way up to what you feel comfortable with. If you don't have problems, that may be a good prophylactic dose. If you have problems, take more and observe your reactions. It is pretty hard to overdose unless you have made your CS improperly. Good luck. Trem t...@silvergen.com Hello List, My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is what I did. Please let me know if it was right. I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2 apart. I connected a lab bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological. 1) Can anyone tell me if this is the correct procedure for the desired particle size? 2) How about the shelf life for bottling the stuff? I thought I would use amber beer bottles with crown caps. Store in a cool dark place. 3) Dose anyone know if CS has been known to compromise a damaged liver? (HCV) 4) What quantity should be taken for a chronic condition? (killing a virus) Thank you for your time Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD
STOP RIGHT NOW BIL! The fatal currents (voltage is needed only to pass the current) are roughly 2 ma, 50ma, 250ma and 2 Amps! Defibrillation is rare in between, but those levels are pretty sure to defibrillate the heart! Also, remember that a HV flyback is a hi-freq transformer feeding a rectifier/filter. The initial current from the filter will be very high and once he becomes a better conductor (from local ionization of the blood) the DC voltage will drop and the high freq. componect will appear due to the lack if adaquate filtering. That will really hurt! Now, if you are a gambler (with his life) you could apply the HV electrodes from a metal belt to ankle bracelets to treat the lower half, and from the armpits to top of head to get most of the others, but DON'T let it pass across the heart! Expect to get some local burning of the flesh where the electrodes are connected and holes to be burned into the nearest blood vessel! Do buy some life insurance (on him) before starting! These are only opinions, not medical advise! f...@health2us.com Bil said: Trying to help a friend with MS. He is unable to walk without a walker. He can't ever seem to get around to using the Beck blood electrifier or the Rife type frequency generator which I built for him. I have heard that some people have been cured of lyme and other conditions by acidentally contacting an electric fence. Quick high voltage shock and no more viruses! He is willing to do something like this and I am planning on hooking him up to a television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. Since there is not enough current available to cause tissue damage it seems like this would be safe. Has anyone heard of someone be seriously hurt with very low current HV DC. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD
The problem is that at high voltages even the wires can have a capacitance to infinity, and although the supply may be limited to 2 mA, a spark discharge of a few thousand volts from just a few picofarad capacitor can deliver amps for a few nanoseconds or microseconds. I have never killed myself with this, but did kill my digital ampmeter that way. Marshall 2001 TV VCR wrote: I guess I should have mentioned that I was only planning on shocking him if it would be safe. It is well known that 2mA (two thousandths of an Amp) is not considered dangerous when applied to the body (externally). And if I did do this it would only be for a second or so, and only if experts in the field of electromedicine, etc agreed that there would be no risk. I have been shocked by 5,000 to 25,000 Volts DC many times (during 30 years) while working on TV's. Bil - Original Message - From: Jeff Gilman jgil...@mediaone.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:16 PM Subject: Re: CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD Boy, I woudn't do this! What if his heart fails, he is already in poor health! I agree, talk about setting yourself up for trouble! I am sure your intentions are great, but your taking a chance on hurting him and you getting blamed for it Jeff -Original Message- From: Charles King ck...@global2000.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:28 AM Subject: Re: CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD Talk about setting yourself up for a lawsuit. BTW, read your first paragraph again. Some people are ill because they choose that experience for this lifetime! Chuck Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid John Wayne On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:46:46 -0800, 2001 TV VCR x2...@qnet.com wrote: Hi Trying to help a friend with MS. He is unable to walk without a walker. He can't ever seem to get around to using the Beck blood electrifier or the Rife type frequency generator which I built for him. I have heard that some people have been cured of lyme and other conditions by acidentally contacting an electric fence. Quick high voltage shock and no more viruses! He is willing to do something like this and I am planning on hooking him up to a television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. Since there is not enough current available to cause tissue damage it seems like this would be safe. Has anyone heard of someone be seriously hurt with very low current HV DC. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMarshall/Electric Blanket / O.T.
Marshall, Thank you, and thank you. Jo I use a simple set of L rods made from coat hangers and soda straws. Do a search for dowsing to find lots of information on how to dowse and make a variety of rods. After a little training so you can get in contact with your subcouncious, then you can dowse for the lines, and also ask if they are positive or negative. Don't sleep on either, negative will drain energy from you and make you sick, and positive will keep you energized so you can't sleep. Also check these archives, much discussion was done on this a few months ago. Marshall Mercer wrote: This fascinates me. How can I tell if there is an existing energy line? Jo Don't sleep on any energy lines, negative or positive. I found one running through my wife's side of the bed about 3 months ago and moved the bed less than a foot so it is off the edge, and she went from very bad insomnia for over 5 years to sleeping like a kitten immediately. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
Actually, you would be better off to turn off your main circuit breaker (except when you wish to see at night, wash clothes, heat water, make coffee, cook, etc.) and avoid using your car which has many mixed magnetic fields (unless you want to drive someplace) and keep away from electric poles and their wires as they usually have very high voltages and thus high fields (unless you want to go outside sometime!). As a further protection from the earths magnetic fields always sit in a tall chair, and if you do drive try to keep on the dark side of the earth to avoid the strong particle radiations from the sun! OH, never mind, just forget it and be happy! f...@health2us.com Really? Jo Not unless you unplug it too, I think... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
Marshall Dudley wrote: Transformers have a flux channel made of iron which attempts to keep all the flux inside, but some escapes. Also they typically have shielding to prevent flux leakage. But they still leak a fair amount of flux. The blanket has no iron core or shielding to prevent the flux from extending far outside the blanket. Many appliances that are motor operated and or utilize a transformer; have an open frame on that device. The core is indeed used to concentrate the flux, forming a magnetic circuit within the device, but the field emanating is huge compared to one conductor. This field is proportional to ampere turns, and these devices have many turns. Only in sensitive equipment is any attempt made to shield the field. The reason for the computer interfering with radio is that it is running at high frequencies with square waves that produce a lot of harmonics, extending into the hundreds of megahertz. The blanket will only be generating 60 hz, which should be rejected by the RF and IF sections of the receiver. Yes, and RF is even worse for you...like the 100+mhz stuff that is streaming from this computer and frying my brain as I type! My radio can attest to it's presence. I can also tune in on the many harmonics, as you mention, in the vhf region. I saw a science fair project here a few years ago where mice were kept in two containers, one was exposed to a DC magnetic field. The mice in the field were all dead in a week. Not sure of the polarity of the magnetic. My only question about the DC field concern is how do you get away from this? The earth itself is a large magnet with a steady state field. I was unaware of health concerns due to steady state fields. As far as the ground water, and other things, the easiest way to deal with them is to dowse for them. Check the archives, this was discussed earlier at some length. Don't sleep on any energy lines, negative or positive. I found one running through my wife's side of the bed about 3 months ago and moved the bed less than a foot so it is off the edge, and she went from very bad insomnia for over 5 years to sleeping like a kitten immediately. This is totally new to me. Is this energy magnetic? Can the polarity be determined? Is there any way of measuring it with an instrument? How did you know it was there? Could this be why my wife is grumpy?...nah...it must just be me! Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMarshall/Electric Blanket / O.T.
In a message dated 12/07/1999 9:16:16 PM Central Standard Time, birds...@bendcable.com writes: This fascinates me. How can I tell if there is an existing energy line? Jo Jo, You can douse for them. I have done that for negative ley lines in the home many times and it has never failed. You can block the line (they run, I believe, North to South and East to West) with a strip of copper wire about a foot wide. I use heavy gauge and just lay it next to the baseboard. For dousing I use a couple of pieces of bent coat hanger through pieces of plastic drinking straw to allow them to easily move. They are L shaped about 15 inches long before the bend. Bend so that the handles extend just below the bottom of the hand while gripping them. That would leave you about ten inches for the long portion. They should cross after you set your intent to locate negative energy lines. It might help to clear your mind first through a short meditation, or whatever. You simply hold them in each hand and have your elbows pressed against the sides of your body. Try to hold them with your arms as relaxed (as opposed to tense and taut) as possible. It might take a little practice. The intent is very important and I always state it out loud. Jim Wright -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: SHOCK HAZZARD Please Re-think
The below site mentions applying 100,000 volts at 1 to 2 amps, several times. That means your flesh will disipate 100,000 to 200,000 watts during those applications. I'd be willing to bet that would cure snakebite!!! Or...maybe they ment milliamps...or microamps! Jeff Marshall Dudley wrote: See http://www.zetatalk.com/health/theal04p.htm on using shock for snake bites. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Cattle prods have been used to successfully neutralize snake venom. They are also more convenient than an electric fence. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Jeffrey A. Madore [SMTP:k...@uconect.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSRe: SHOCK HAZZARD Please Re-think Please dont try this at home. If you do, there are 3 things you must remember: 911 !!! HVAC or HVDC can kill you! Although most of the textbooks on electric shock will indicate that it takes 100 ma to send you're heart into V-Fib, you can still throw it off beat with much less. And you have no way of knowing the exact conduction path and how it effects the heart. I have Chronic CNS Lyme and was an instructor at a Nuclear training facility for many years. I worked with high voltage daily. I left a good paying job in August for fear of killing myself or someone else, due to a Lyme Brain mistake. I've had many close calls and a few accidental contacts...None helped my Lyme! I have an electric fence around my property, have bumped it many times and all it did was make me jump! Incidently, there have been fatalities associated with electric fences; though very rare. An electric fence can put out a very strong shock if you have good conductivity to ground...like holding a shotgun in one hand, reaching through the fence for a cuke...sleve hits the fence...gun barrel touches the grass...wow!...memorable! Last evening I even got a reminder while testing various transformers that I had around...accidently contacted 1kv! This was no neon sign transformer either! MS is thought to be due to an infection. Lyme is commonly misdiagnosed as MS. Try lots of CS and look for a herx. Metronidazole and Tetracycline are an extreemly effective chemo combination...if you can stand it. There are many other things to try. Though high voltage may alleviate symptoms, it can leave a person in the ultimate state of poor health! Jeff 2001 TV VCR wrote: Hi Trying to help a friend with MS. He is unable to walk without a walker. He can't ever seem to get around to using the Beck blood electrifier or the Rife type frequency generator which I built for him. I have heard that some people have been cured of lyme and other conditions by acidentally contacting an electric fence. Quick high voltage shock and no more viruses! He is willing to do something like this and I am planning on hooking him up to a television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. Since there is not enough current available to cause tissue damage it seems like this would be safe. Has anyone heard of someone be seriously hurt with very low current HV DC. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD
I've touched the anode on a discharged TV tube. It didn't clear any viruses but it knocked me on my butt... Watch out for those stray capacitance's. Andy In a message dated 12/07/1999 9:13:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: The problem is that at high voltages even the wires can have a capacitance to infinity, and although the supply may be limited to 2 mA, a spark discharge of a few thousand volts from just a few picofarad capacitor can deliver amps for a few nanoseconds or microseconds. I have never killed myself with this, but did kill my digital ampmeter that way. Marshall 2001 TV VCR wrote: I guess I should have mentioned that I was only planning on shocking him if it would be safe. It is well known that 2mA (two thousandths of an Amp) is not considered dangerous when applied to the body (externally). And if I did do this it would only be for a second or so, and only if experts in the field of electromedicine, etc agreed that there would be no risk. I have been shocked by 5,000 to 25,000 Volts DC many times (during 30 years) while working on TV's. Bil - Original Message - From: Jeff Gilman jgil...@mediaone.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:16 PM Subject: Re: CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD Boy, I woudn't do this! What if his heart fails, he is already in poor health! I agree, talk about setting yourself up for trouble! I am sure your intentions are great, but your taking a chance on hurting him and you getting blamed for it Jeff -Original Message- From: Charles King ck...@global2000.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 9:28 AM Subject: Re: CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD Talk about setting yourself up for a lawsuit. BTW, read your first paragraph again. Some people are ill because they choose that experience for this lifetime! Chuck Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid John Wayne On Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:46:46 -0800, 2001 TV VCR x2...@qnet.com wrote: Hi Trying to help a friend with MS. He is unable to walk without a walker. He can't ever seem to get around to using the Beck blood electrifier or the Rife type frequency generator which I built for him. I have heard that some people have been cured of lyme and other conditions by acidentally contacting an electric fence. Quick high voltage shock and no more viruses! He is willing to do something like this and I am planning on hooking him up to a television flyback (hi voltage) transformer. The voltage is 25,000 DC at about 2 mA. Since there is not enough current available to cause tissue damage it seems like this would be safe. Has anyone heard of someone be seriously hurt with very low current HV DC. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:13:08 1900 Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:12:52 -0500 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id VAA04227; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:12:46 -0800 Resent-Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:12:46 -0800 Message-ID: 384de818.9e8e4...@execonn.com Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:09:45 -0500 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD References: 019501bf4122$4a9a8f80$84edd...@jeff.ne.mediaone.net 00ae01bf4131$3a94daa0$25d4d...@x2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: yjMzu1.0.o11.DZUJu@mx1 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: silver-list@eskimo.com archive/latest/17368 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHello List
Hello Andy, Do you know how many amps you were drawing? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: ascottx...@aol.com [SMTP:ascottx...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 7:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: ascottx...@aol.com Subject:CSHello List Hello List, My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is what I did. Please let me know if it was right. I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2 apart. I connected a lab bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological. 1) Can anyone tell me if this is the correct procedure for the desired particle size? 2) How about the shelf life for bottling the stuff? I thought I would use amber beer bottles with crown caps. Store in a cool dark place. 3) Dose anyone know if CS has been known to compromise a damaged liver? (HCV) 4) What quantity should be taken for a chronic condition? (killing a virus) Thank you for your time Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
Thanks Gunther, for the in depth explaination of possible particle charges, you are certainly right in the probable effects to the ion, and it helps explain some of the anomolies in HVAC applications. I will digest that, as I am about to embark on developmental work for a HVAC based system for two different industrial processes. I must admit, seeing stability exceeding a year, with the true ionic colloid I believe I am making, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, when I visualize silver ions (lumps, clumps) pushing each other apart. I asked before, but it may have been missed - Have you seen any data on ZETA Potential? I was challanged by someone about the Zeta charge on my particles and all I could find was a site selling the equipment - without any reference data! He suggested the Zeta should be 60mv and 'most Universities had the test equipment'! Check them out at: http://www.bic.com Your feedback would be appreciated! f...@health2us.com Hello Fred and James and the others, one should not forget that in water one has always also OH- and H+ ions (and with changing concentrations during the process) . Assume an Ag+ has been released from the anode, it may combine for a while with a OH- forming AgOH and being neutral then. It will not be attracted back to the electrode in the negative cycle. (Not totally true, see below). Another Ag+ -Ion or a AgOH-molecule, or both can bind to it and thus may form a larger cluster which is less mobile and will therefore also not reach the electrode in the negative cycle. In addition, water dipoles will be attracted by the charged particle and surrounds it by a water skin (Ivan often has emphasized this). The particle stays positively charged, but its mobility is further reduced. Now to the movement of neutral particles: If these particles are dipoles (positively charged at one end and negatively at the other) they may be attracted by unhomogeneous (e.g. cone shaped) electrical fields. This is the same mechanism which happens at HV when the water molecules are attracted to the wire, suspended above the water level. Does this help? Günter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFor the HV experts - SHOCK HAZZARD
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:32:43 EST, ascottx...@aol.com wrote: I've touched the anode on a discharged TV tube. It didn't clear any viruses but it knocked me on my butt... Watch out for those stray capacitance's. Andy Made you brighter Chuck The amount of common sense is fixed, but the population keeps going up -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSFred wins on the Asthma
Jeannine, As a solution, before you move, I would sacrifice the ceiling a little, by drilling a 1/2 hole in it, to fit the end of a sprayer bottle and soak them critters with pool algicide! A gallon is less then $10 and will save a lot of grief! The lasting or residual power is unbelievable! As mentioned, my pool is inside and just above the slider, (I leave it partly open so fresh air can get in), the stucco was always mildewed and chlorox lasts about 2 weeks! Then I tried the algicide, and now it lasts 3-4 years before I catch it creeping back! And thanks for the Asthma award - I also got the Back award! You should check it at: http://www.health2us.com/back.htm f...@health2us.com jeannine said: Fred: you are the one who helped me figure at least part of it out!! My condo (which I rent - thank God) has a bathroom leak from upstairs AND there are stains all over the ceiling from before I moved here and yes I am allergic to molds/mildew - identified years ago!! But I never thought about the water stains . . . thanks -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Colloidal Silver : response to questions
Lew, Probably a couple of hours per pint, but more information on his electrode dimensions and configuration required. Cheers Ivan - Original Message - From: fhlew fh...@tm.net.my To: silver-list@eskimo.com; har...@tm.net.my; r...@tm.net.my Sent: Thursday, 9 December 1999 00:05 Subject: CSRe: Colloidal Silver : response to questions Hi Silver Listers, Harold Rand wrote: Friends, I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold is my fellow rife-lister. Common guys,help me to help Harold. With regards Lew fhlew wrote: Dear sir, We have very qualified technologists in the Silver-list, who will be very glad to answer your queries on the generation of Colloidal Silver. You are most welcome to join us by subscribing to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comby emailing with the word 'Subscribe' in the SUBJECT LINE. However, I will forward your query to the Silver-List and I am sure your question will be discussed and an amicable solution will be reached. With regards Lew Harold Rand wrote: Friends I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Colloidal Silver : response to questions
Hi Silver Listers, Harold Rand wrote: Friends, I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold is my fellow rife-lister. Common guys,help me to help Harold. With regards Lew fhlew wrote: Dear sir, We have very qualified technologists in the Silver-list, who will be very glad to answer your queries on the generation of Colloidal Silver. You are most welcome to join us by subscribing to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comby emailing with the word 'Subscribe' in the SUBJECT LINE. However, I will forward your query to the Silver-List and I am sure your question will be discussed and an amicable solution will be reached. With regards Lew Harold Rand wrote: Friends I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRE:Colloidal Silver - FAQ
Hi Silver Listers, Harold Rand wrote: Friends, I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold is my fellow rife-lister. Common guys,help me to help Harold. With regards Lew fhlew wrote: Dear sir, We have very qualified technologists in the Silver-list, who will be very glad to answer your queries on the generation of Colloidal Silver. You are most welcome to join us by subscribing to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comby emailing with the word 'Subscribe' in the SUBJECT LINE. However, I will forward your query to the Silver-List and I am sure your question will be discussed and an amicable solution will be reached. With regards Lew Harold Rand wrote: Friends I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRE:Colloidal Silver - FAQ
Hi Silver Listers, Harold Rand [ Harold Rand hr...@ados.com] wrote: Friends, I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold is my fellow rife-lister. Common guys,help me to help Harold. With regards Lew fhlew wrote: Dear sir, We have very qualified technologists in the Silver-list, who will be very glad to answer your queries on the generation of Colloidal Silver. You are most welcome to join us by subscribing to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comby emailing with the word 'Subscribe' in the SUBJECT LINE. However, I will forward your query to the Silver-List and I am sure your question will be discussed and an amicable solution will be reached. With regards Lew Harold Rand wrote: Friends I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
Another thing Guenter, As the AC wave form is sinusoidal, when the voltage passes through zero to the opposite sign, the attractive force is low but the particles having some inertia, drift further from the electrode. This and the fact that the solution acts to slow the propagation of the energy front (the electrical or electrostatic propagation relies on the movement of ions and lags and is slower than the input from the electrode) would also help to ensure the escape of the majority of the particles. Those particles that do find themselves reduced at the electrode may well be the first to be oxidised at the next change of phase. The reactions at the electrode are very complex and not as straight forward as I had previously thought, involving electrode polarisation, overpotential and so on... understanding the bulk solution chemistry is far more intuitive, I have found. There is no doubt that HVAC silver sols are ionic, in that the particles carry a charge, as can be easily attested by a conductivity reading. Regards - Ivan. - Original Message - From: Guenter Poelz po...@mail.desy.de To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 1999 06:26 Subject: Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV Hello Fred and James and the others, one should not forget that in water one has always also OH- and H+ ions (and with changing concentrations during the process) . Assume an Ag+ has been released from the anode, it may combine for a while with a OH- forming AgOH and being neutral then. It will not be attracted back to the electrode in the negative cycle. (Not totally true, see below). Another Ag+ -Ion or a AgOH-molecule, or both can bind to it and thus may form a larger cluster which is less mobile and will therefore also not reach the electrode in the negative cycle. In addition, water dipoles will be attracted by the charged particle and surrounds it by a water skin (Ivan often has emphasized this). The particle stays positively charged, but its mobility is further reduced. Now to the movement of neutral particles: If these particles are dipoles (positively charged at one end and negatively at the other) they may be attracted by unhomogeneous (e.g. cone shaped) electrical fields. This is the same mechanism which happens at HV when the water molecules are attracted to the wire, suspended above the water level. Does this help? Günter Fred schrieb: James, I wish I could afford the time to delve into the physics end of this but we are branching out into so many areas here that it would take years to study/relearn the mechanics of crystal formation, molecular energy interactions, etc. Keep at it if you can, but I must rely on good old engineering logic and observations, to form most of my technical opinions. Here are some more: My statement of ...no affinity to travel, yet is moved by the electrostatic forces, is my opinion that in a fluid the forces may be more on the bulk mass then on descrete atoms. This is from my observations when we made oil filled HV transformers with poor corona design! The insulating oil appeared to be boiling, between a sharp HV point and a lower voltage surface yet it was rare to see a descrete particle (of the ever present fiber lint) moving alone. Your question of Is it the loss of an electron? (YES!) If so, and it picks up the missing electron, and becomes metallic silver, and neutral, what forces keep the clumps/atoms apart? Got me, but look at the ion cloud from a DC setup and note the extremely low mobility of charged particles, which should be both pushing apart and also rushing to the other electrode. It would appear that the forces involved are weak compared to the energy required to travel thru the fluid medium. It is also possible that the water, which is claimed to form rings of 6 molecules, has its own forces to contend with! Those rings or water crystals are claimed to contribute to its classification as the universal solvent, having the ability to entrap and separate the solute. How about all the empowered water tales - left/right spin, magnetized? Is there a source for HVAC systems you trust? I have a request to build a water purification system, including electrostatic precipitation of particulate matter, so will be doing research soon but it helps to have a starting point! I have a hard time envisioning an ionic charge on the particles, unless the electrostatic forces are so high as to keep ions of silver from falling back onto the electrode that just released them. If that is so then how can PPM be in the 100's? By the way, how come NO ONE ever mentions Zeta testers and the fact your Cs should have a Zeta of -60mv? Check out www.bic.com for limited info (makes the equipment). Ivan - you have access to one?? I need some rest - questions are like rabbits - they just multiply! f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated
Re: CSThanks for Glaucomo information
I have found this thread very interesting also. I used the spur to do some investigation and some reports look very promising. Also was interested to find that cataracts have been reported to be halted in their growth or even to be dissolved. Macular degeneration was improved using the same protocols as glaucoma or cataract treatment. Glutathione, alpha lipoic acid, selenium and vit E seem to show up regularly in treatments. Shall post the links when I get the chance. Ivan. - Original Message - From: fernwo...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 1999 05:00 Subject: CSThanks for Glaucomo information Carol, Lew, H.B. and everyone else who wrote about Glaucoma, Thanks so much for your help!! I have printed all your suggestions and filed them too. I just hope he will be willing to put your information to good use. Thanks again, Karen Question about Macular Degeneration, After so much was written about Glaucoma, I wondered if any of these suggestions would also help with Macular Degeneration. My Mom's doctor said she probably wouldn't pass her next vision test for driving. And although she has 3 leaky heart valves, osteoporosis and arthritis, her eyes are what upset her the most. She takes many supplements including Leutin and eats spinach and kale which are supposed to help. Does anyone know of success stories with Macular Degeneration? She would be so grateful if anyone had a solution for this. Karen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE:Colloidal Silver - FAQ
Dear Silver Listers: A typo Common guys , help me to help Harold A typo. Please read. Come on guys, help me to help Harold. Apologies With regards Lew fhlew wrote: Hi Silver Listers, Harold Rand [ Harold Rand hr...@ados.com] wrote: Friends, I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold is my fellow rife-lister. Common guys,help me to help Harold. With regards Lew fhlew wrote: Dear sir, We have very qualified technologists in the Silver-list, who will be very glad to answer your queries on the generation of Colloidal Silver. You are most welcome to join us by subscribing to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comby emailing with the word 'Subscribe' in the SUBJECT LINE. However, I will forward your query to the Silver-List and I am sure your question will be discussed and an amicable solution will be reached. With regards Lew Harold Rand wrote: Friends I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSIONIC AGAIN
Yes thats right Marshall, Ionic silver colloid is a stabiliser for H2O2. The catalytic properties of silver proceeds by the oxidation of metallic silver by H2O2 causing its degeneration with a large release of energy and then the reduction of the oxidised silver back to the metal by oxygen radicals as they degenerate to water, and so on. I can't remember the exact reaction, I thought I had something archived which detailed this but cannot find it... Ivan. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 1999 04:28 Subject: Re: CSIONIC AGAIN Ivan Anderson wrote: You can build a rocket motor by pumping H2O2 through a silver mesh. This results in the violent reduction of H2O2 to steam and heat (hot enough to melt the silver by some accounts). Good fun for the intrepid. Then why when I mix 35% H2O2 with CS do I get no reaction whatsoever? I even put a stopper in the flask and ran a tube into an upside down glass of water, and 3 days later still had no gas evolve. I have been trying to figure this one out for over a year now. It seems to stablize the H2O2. Maybe it is because of the positive charge on each particle, for silver metal will react rapidly with nitric acid, but CS will not react unless you increase the temperature to almost boiling. There is a definite difference between the way CS reacts and silver metal reacts. Any ideas? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
Hello ! Could the mimxed magnetic fields in one's car affect cs whilst it is being transported at all and if so, is there some way to counteract this? Thankx! Yvonne :o) -Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:10 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSElectric Blanket / O.T. Actually, you would be better off to turn off your main circuit breaker (except when you wish to see at night, wash clothes, heat water, make coffee, cook, etc.) and avoid using your car which has many mixed magnetic fields (unless you want to drive someplace) and keep away from electric poles and their wires as they usually have very high voltages and thus high fields (unless you want to go outside sometime!). As a further protection from the earths magnetic fields always sit in a tall chair, and if you do drive try to keep on the dark side of the earth to avoid the strong particle radiations from the sun! OH, never mind, just forget it and be happy! f...@health2us.com Really? Jo Not unless you unplug it too, I think... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSMarshall/Electric Blanket / O.T.
... and thank you ... very very interesting Yvonne :o) -Original Message- From: Mercer [mailto:birds...@bendcable.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:11 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMarshall/Electric Blanket / O.T. Marshall, Thank you, and thank you. Jo I use a simple set of L rods made from coat hangers and soda straws. Do a search for dowsing to find lots of information on how to dowse and make a variety of rods. After a little training so you can get in contact with your subcouncious, then you can dowse for the lines, and also ask if they are positive or negative. Don't sleep on either, negative will drain energy from you and make you sick, and positive will keep you energized so you can't sleep. Also check these archives, much discussion was done on this a few months ago. Marshall Mercer wrote: This fascinates me. How can I tell if there is an existing energy line? Jo Don't sleep on any energy lines, negative or positive. I found one running through my wife's side of the bed about 3 months ago and moved the bed less than a foot so it is off the edge, and she went from very bad insomnia for over 5 years to sleeping like a kitten immediately. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRE:a little grey
Hi! Has anyone heard how Donna is doing with her grey condition? - Donna please keep us posted on your progress. Yvonne :o) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSResearch abstracts - Blood brain and placental barriers (not)
- Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com I wonder if one should take selenium with CS then to replace the cytosolic glutathione which is apparently an antioxidant. Marshall I should think that the selenium will bind with the silver and make it unavailable for further reaction. Selenium seems to be the final of a chain of silver reactions in the body. Perhaps better to take them apart. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
Ivan Anderson wrote: Another thing Guenter, As the AC wave form is sinusoidal, when the voltage passes through zero to the opposite sign, the attractive force is low but the particles having some inertia, drift further from the electrode. This and the fact that the solution acts to slow the propagation of the energy front (the electrical or electrostatic propagation relies on the movement of ions and lags and is slower than the input from the electrode) would also help to ensure the escape of the majority of the particles. Also don't forget that the particles are mutually repulsive during both cycles, insuring that an additional diffusion vector away from the higher concentration level, near the electrode, is always away from the electrode. Those particles that do find themselves reduced at the electrode may well be the first to be oxidised at the next change of phase. The reactions at the electrode are very complex and not as straight forward as I had previously thought, involving electrode polarisation, overpotential and so on... understanding the bulk solution chemistry is far more intuitive, I have found. I believe that the smaller particles make it far away from the electrode at the high voltage and 1/120 of a second to mostly not get pulled back in. The larger particles don't diffuse very far and likely do get pulled back to the electrode, to get redeposited as silver, for another try next cycle. This is why I believe that the particle size profile on HVAC tends to be for much smaller particles than with the LVDC systems. The larger ones get recycled. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Colloidal Silver : response to questions
Ivan: Thanks. I hope Harold is considering joining the silver-list He will stand to gain more information on Colloidal Silver by joining. With regards Lew Ivan Anderson wrote: Lew, Probably a couple of hours per pint, but more information on his electrode dimensions and configuration required. Cheers Ivan - Original Message - From: fhlew fh...@tm.net.my To: silver-list@eskimo.com; har...@tm.net.my; r...@tm.net.my Sent: Thursday, 9 December 1999 00:05 Subject: CSRe: Colloidal Silver : response to questions Hi Silver Listers, Harold Rand wrote: Friends, I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold is my fellow rife-lister. Common guys,help me to help Harold. With regards Lew fhlew wrote: Dear sir, We have very qualified technologists in the Silver-list, who will be very glad to answer your queries on the generation of Colloidal Silver. You are most welcome to join us by subscribing to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comby emailing with the word 'Subscribe' in the SUBJECT LINE. However, I will forward your query to the Silver-List and I am sure your question will be discussed and an amicable solution will be reached. With regards Lew Harold Rand wrote: Friends I would like to know how lonf to leave silver in a quart or pint of water to get 5 to 10 ppm using the 27 volt set up Harold -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSKterina/Olive Leaf Extract
Re: Olive Leaf ExtractWorked for me. Try it again. Can't seem to access the ameriden.com site. Is the address correct in this post? Jo Which is a must to read. It will answer many questions. www.2ameriden.com http://www.2ameriden.com . I can assure you that our product works extremely well. If you have any questions please feel free to call Toll Free M-F Pacific Standard time 1-888-405-3336. Best Regards, Richard L. Hall, AMERIDEN
Re: CSRe: Bil, Sludge Honey
All modern wars (since the American Revolution) are bad ideas, and all have been started for monetary reasons. The U.S. involvement in the World Wars, especially, was calculated and deliberate. The Cold War was a hoax, as is the new Cold War with China. It's all about our own government waging war on our freedom in order to own our labor, and it's directed by the richest and most anonymous people in the world, who control the banks which control everything. Sam so nukeing japan to save 1,000,000 american gi's was bad idea?? Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Bil, Sludge Honey
I would like to tell you that you are totally wrong on all this. But all the research I have done in the last few years indicates that you are right on the money. : Marshall Sam Earle wrote: All modern wars (since the American Revolution) are bad ideas, and all have been started for monetary reasons. The U.S. involvement in the World Wars, especially, was calculated and deliberate. The Cold War was a hoax, as is the new Cold War with China. It's all about our own government waging war on our freedom in order to own our labor, and it's directed by the richest and most anonymous people in the world, who control the banks which control everything. Sam so nukeing japan to save 1,000,000 american gi's was bad idea?? Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHello List
Hello Andy, We don't recommend heating the water. It speeds the process but also makes large particles, especially if you are using a constant voltage setup which you are. Never add salt or anything else to the water. You want a silver colloid; not silver compounds. They are not the same. The strands you speak of are what we all can see during production if you shine a strong flashlight or laser beam through the water. That is the silver. The particles will separate and disperse in several hours and then you will see the yellow color. If you don't see it, it is probably because you didn't deposit enough silver in the water for it to become apparent to you. Try running for a longer period of time and then you will probably see the yellow color. Plating out is not exactly the same as fallout. Plating is the golden or yellow color you will see on the inside of your vessel after a while. Some fine particles can plate out. Fallout is what is in the bottom of your vessel. That is from large particles which couldn't stay in dispersion. The dregs will stay in the filter paper. If your CS isn't very clear at the end of your filtering process, most likely you made it using water which wasn't pure enough. We have golden colored CS sitting on the shelf which is a year old with no fallout. Small particles tend not to fall out. I guess that is my recommendation to use a constant current source when you make CS. Using constant voltage will make a mix of large and small particles, so I suspect you will not have long shelf life. However, you can easily make more anytime with your setup, so why worry about it. Good luck. Trem - Original Message - From: ascottx...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 8:46 PM Subject: Re: CSHello List Thanks for the response Trem, I've heard of people heating up the water, adding things to it, and using a previous batch as a starter to speed up the process but hey, who's in a hurry when you're just getting started? Also, I've heard the above increases particle size. Any thoughts on that? I've also heard that it is supposed to turn yellow. Mine didn't, It just had thin strands coming out of the electrodes. Should I care about a yellow color? The coffee filters sound like a good idea. I did see dregs (silver oxide)? floating around in it. You mentioned plating out. Is that sediment falling to the bottom of the container? One last question. I guess we're concerned about the silver being ionic. How long before it looses it's charge? More specifically, what kind of shelf life should I expect before I need to make a new batch? Thanks for your time Andy (^_^) Hello Andy, Welcome. You did good. The only thing I would suggest is to wait until the particles have dispersed throughout the water. This will take about 12 hours. That way you are sure of an even distribution of the silver. Storing in brown containers is OK if you don't want to see how it is doing. Storing in clear HDPE containers such as soft drink containers will let you see whether the CS is plating out. Don't store in direct sunlight or near magnetic fields or in the refrigerator. They all cause fallout. Don't shake it before use. Filter it through a coffee filter after you make it do get rid of dregs. You have made what we call basic CS. It may have particles of various sizes. The large ones will fall out. Fine ones will stay in suspension. Make sure you use distilled water. Most persons start with a small amount and work up to the amount they feel comfortable with. I suggest you start with one teaspoon a day and work you way up to what you feel comfortable with. If you don't have problems, that may be a good prophylactic dose. If you have problems, take more and observe your reactions. It is pretty hard to overdose unless you have made your CS improperly. Good luck. Trem t...@silvergen.com Hello List, My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is what I did. Please let me know if it was right. I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2 apart. I connected a lab bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological.
Re: CSCommercial Purchase of CS
Hello Ron, Why not make it yourself. You'll know what you have and it will certainly be less expensive. Trem t...@silvergen.com - Original Message - From: ronu...@en.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 11:55 PM Subject: CSCommercial Purchase of CS I bought a few bottles of CS from Gero Vita several months ago. I just tried to reorder and was told that it was discontinued. Where can I buy CS? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSArgyria
Hey Guys, I just went to see a new doctor -- a holistic MD who specializes in chelation therapy -- among other things. I'm going to him because my hair mercury tests were high and my regular MD wanted it checked out. Anyhow, he seems very honest and intelligent and was very approving of my use of CS for my sinus infections. When I asked him if he knew of any negative side effects for CS he said that they are beginning to see cases of argyria (sp?) in Aids patients who are taking a litre or so of CS a day -- but that in lesser amounts he know of no negative side effects. I asked him was he sure that the argyria was with CS and not compounds and he said yes -- it was definitely with CS. I forgot to ask if he knew what ppm they were taking . But I thought it was interesting -- and I didn't think he was an alarmist type of person. Hey Donna, are you out there? How are you doing? Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
Ivan, I appreciate your addition to this complex problem (the more to consider the better the analysis), but must question your last paragraph: There is no doubt that HVAC silver sols are ionic, in that the particles carry a charge, as can be easily attested by a conductivity reading. Conductivity and charge are not solidly related, from what I have seen, specifically a new deionizer cartridge (resin bed) with activated (fine) charcoal particles will make DW a dark and highly conductive suspension, with a steady falloff of conductivity as the particles settle. Is not a charcoal suspension the same as a metallic crystal suspension? Comments? and did you check if 'Zeta Potential' equipment is available to you? f...@health2us.com Ivan said: Another thing Guenter, As the AC wave form is sinusoidal, when the voltage passes through zero to the opposite sign, the attractive force is low but the particles having some inertia, drift further from the electrode. This and the fact that the solution acts to slow the propagation of the energy front (the electrical or electrostatic propagation relies on the movement of ions and lags and is slower than the input from the electrode) would also help to ensure the escape of the majority of the particles. Those particles that do find themselves reduced at the electrode may well be the first to be oxidised at the next change of phase. The reactions at the electrode are very complex and not as straight forward as I had previously thought, involving electrode polarisation, overpotential and so on... understanding the bulk solution chemistry is far more intuitive, I have found. There is no doubt that HVAC silver sols are ionic, in that the particles carry a charge, as can be easily attested by a conductivity reading. Regards - Ivan.
RE: CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
Yvonne, Per my recent tests and posts, there is little that will effect a good colloid of silver - boiling had no effect, very strong light including heavy doses of UV light had no effect and freezing had no effect! Magnetic fields do have some small effect on water - see others posts about using magnets or swirling of water to get structured or empowered or energized water BUT a very strong magnetic field has also shown no effect, so the weak fields in every day life will have no deleterious effects. What is more important, in storage in a car (I keep some in mine for that sip I forgot to take at home), is the vibration or agitation of the colloid, limiting its life to probably less then 6 months. You will note on a spray bottle, the deposition of silver particles right at the spray exit (sever agitation), after just a few months use! My spoof about avoiding some of the things in nature that might hurt you was based on the crises posts by many lately! Yes, everything effects everything else in this universe but the effects are so low with most, that they become trivial! Be concerned with your simple household staples: * 11 Extra Strength Tylenol can be fatal, or even 4-5 if you have a compromised liver? * excessive drinking of orange juice or of eating bananas can be dangerous, giving you a serious potassium imbalance! *vitamin D at ten times the recommended dose can be very toxic to children. *mango's belong to the poison ivy family and the unripened peel can cause sever reactions to those sensitive to poison ivy! My sister has to only walk by the green fruit and gets hives. *potatoes that are damaged, have turned green or are sprouting contain a toxic chemical Solianine. Also, tomatoes, bell peppers, chilies, potatoes, eggplant are part of the nightshade family and aggrevating to the pain and inflamation of rheumatoid arthritis. * etc., etc., etc f...@health2us.com__ At 06:58 AM 12/8/1999 , you wrote: Hello ! Could the mimxed magnetic fields in one's car affect cs whilst it is being transported at all and if so, is there some way to counteract this? Thankx! Yvonne :o) -Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:10 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSElectric Blanket / O.T. Actually, you would be better off to turn off your main circuit breaker (except when you wish to see at night, wash clothes, heat water, make coffee, cook, etc.) and avoid using your car which has many mixed magnetic fields (unless you want to drive someplace) and keep away from electric poles and their wires as they usually have very high voltages and thus high fields (unless you want to go outside sometime!). As a further protection from the earths magnetic fields always sit in a tall chair, and if you do drive try to keep on the dark side of the earth to avoid the strong particle radiations from the sun! OH, never mind, just forget it and be happy! f...@health2us.com Really? Jo Not unless you unplug it too, I think... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSOT: Serendipitous Macular Degeneration Adjunctive Protocol
To all interested list members. Recently, through a rather serendipitous circumstance, we encountered some encouraging effects from an ancillary protocol involving Human Growth Hormone (HGH) precursors. We had two groups of volunteers (all with various stages of macular degeneration) being subjected to experimental protocols aimed at defining ways of arresting this condition. One group, for requirements unrelated to the evaluations, had four members on HGH precursor. These four enjoyed considerably enhanced improvementbeyond all volunteers. Stimulated by this phenomenon, we sub-divided group one and initiated a modified protocol through administering HGH precursors to half (15). Clear advantages started to appear---in favor of the HGH---within 30 days. We terminated this evaluation at 40 days and REVERSED the arrangement among this same population. Allowing for some residual advantage to the ORIGINAL recipients of HGH, the second group began an improvement cycle similar to the first group (clearly measureable improvements in blood circulation, blind-spot expansion control, visible appearance of the condition of the centra fovea area, reduction of swollen vessels, etc.). Although there was no restoration of the vision within the boundaries of the blind-spot areas, some of the outer peripheral areas lightened, considerablyindicating improved circulation (we believe); and sight-loss areas ceased to expand at rapid rates. The really encouraging element is that NONE, from among the four worst cases, continued to deteriorate after the 15th day of initiation of the HGH supplementation; showing clear evidence of stabilizing the previous degenerative accelerations. While certainly not conclusive, these results are VERY encouraging to us. This study is still in progress. I will try to post a general summary and conclusions upon the completion of this evaluation. Sincerely. Brooks Bradley. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
thanks Ivan that you mention that, the effect in mind you have is due to the friction in water. It's improbable that they come back to the wire even if they are not neutralized. If you would not have any friction than you could make a movie and play it back and forth, it would always comply with physics laws (including inertia). Without friction, if you reverse the movie it looks like you just reversed the voltage. There is also scattering on the watermolecules which introduces a new complication. It's wonderful that this discussion goes on. I have already learned a lot. Günter Ivan Anderson schrieb: Another thing Guenter, As the AC wave form is sinusoidal, when the voltage passes through zero to the opposite sign, the attractive force is low but the particles having some inertia, drift further from the electrode. This and the fact that the solution acts to slow the propagation of the energy front (the electrical or electrostatic propagation relies on the movement of ions and lags and is slower than the input from the electrode) would also help to ensure the escape of the majority of the particles. Those particles that do find themselves reduced at the electrode may well be the first to be oxidised at the next change of phase. The reactions at the electrode are very complex and not as straight forward as I had previously thought, involving electrode polarisation, overpotential and so on... understanding the bulk solution chemistry is far more intuitive, I have found. There is no doubt that HVAC silver sols are ionic, in that the particles carry a charge, as can be easily attested by a conductivity reading. Regards - Ivan. - Original Message - From: Guenter Poelz po...@mail.desy.de To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 1999 06:26 Subject: Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV Hello Fred and James and the others, one should not forget that in water one has always also OH- and H+ ions (and with changing concentrations during the process) . Assume an Ag+ has been released from the anode, it may combine for a while with a OH- forming AgOH and being neutral then. It will not be attracted back to the electrode in the negative cycle. (Not totally true, see below). Another Ag+ -Ion or a AgOH-molecule, or both can bind to it and thus may form a larger cluster which is less mobile and will therefore also not reach the electrode in the negative cycle. In addition, water dipoles will be attracted by the charged particle and surrounds it by a water skin (Ivan often has emphasized this). The particle stays positively charged, but its mobility is further reduced. Now to the movement of neutral particles: If these particles are dipoles (positively charged at one end and negatively at the other) they may be attracted by unhomogeneous (e.g. cone shaped) electrical fields. This is the same mechanism which happens at HV when the water molecules are attracted to the wire, suspended above the water level. Does this help? Günter Fred schrieb: James, I wish I could afford the time to delve into the physics end of this but we are branching out into so many areas here that it would take years to study/relearn the mechanics of crystal formation, molecular energy interactions, etc. Keep at it if you can, but I must rely on good old engineering logic and observations, to form most of my technical opinions. Here are some more: My statement of ...no affinity to travel, yet is moved by the electrostatic forces, is my opinion that in a fluid the forces may be more on the bulk mass then on descrete atoms. This is from my observations when we made oil filled HV transformers with poor corona design! The insulating oil appeared to be boiling, between a sharp HV point and a lower voltage surface yet it was rare to see a descrete particle (of the ever present fiber lint) moving alone. Your question of Is it the loss of an electron? (YES!) If so, and it picks up the missing electron, and becomes metallic silver, and neutral, what forces keep the clumps/atoms apart? Got me, but look at the ion cloud from a DC setup and note the extremely low mobility of charged particles, which should be both pushing apart and also rushing to the other electrode. It would appear that the forces involved are weak compared to the energy required to travel thru the fluid medium. It is also possible that the water, which is claimed to form rings of 6 molecules, has its own forces to contend with! Those rings or water crystals are claimed to contribute to its classification as the universal solvent, having the ability to entrap and separate the solute. How about all the empowered water tales - left/right spin, magnetized? Is there a source for HVAC systems you trust? I have a request to build a water purification system, including
Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
James, the global effect is independent from polarity. When the wire is positively charged, the negative end of the dipole is attracted and will be directed closer to the wire, the positive is repulsed, is further away. During the negative cycle of the wire, the whole thing is reversed. During both polarities of the wire the dipoles are attracted (because of the different distances of the dipole charges to the wire), but the dipoles change permanently their directions. Because attraction and repulsion both take place simultaneously, the force on a dipole in an unhomogeneous field is weaker as on a singular charge (e.g. an ion). you see, the dipole is permanently oscillating or rotating in an alternating electrical field. If there is also a magnetic field, as it is around an electric current, there are also forces transverse to that field, which makes the movement more complicated. I hope you can agree, Günter James Osbourne, Holmes schrieb: Thanks Guenter, Why does the cone rise with the alternating current? What vectors make it spin? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV Hello Fred and James and the others, one should not forget that in water one has always also OH- and H+ ions (and with changing concentrations during the process) . Assume an Ag+ has been released from the anode, it may combine for a while with a OH- forming AgOH and being neutral then. It will not be attracted back to the electrode in the negative cycle. (Not totally true, see below). Another Ag+ -Ion or a AgOH-molecule, or both can bind to it and thus may form a larger cluster which is less mobile and will therefore also not reach the electrode in the negative cycle. In addition, water dipoles will be attracted by the charged particle and surrounds it by a water skin (Ivan often has emphasized this). The particle stays positively charged, but its mobility is further reduced. Now to the movement of neutral particles: If these particles are dipoles (positively charged at one end and negatively at the other) they may be attracted by unhomogeneous (e.g. cone shaped) electrical fields. This is the same mechanism which happens at HV when the water molecules are attracted to the wire, suspended above the water level. Does this help? Gunter Fred schrieb: James, snip. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
thanks Fred for your response. unfortunately I don't know anything about ZETA potentials. I think I have read something on this list in the past. There must be experts around. Hope you find one, Günter Fred schrieb: Thanks Gunther, for the in depth explaination of possible particle charges, you are certainly right in the probable effects to the ion, and it helps explain some of the anomolies in HVAC applications. I will digest that, as I am about to embark on developmental work for a HVAC based system for two different industrial processes. I must admit, seeing stability exceeding a year, with the true ionic colloid I believe I am making, gives me a warm fuzzy feeling, when I visualize silver ions (lumps, clumps) pushing each other apart. I asked before, but it may have been missed - Have you seen any data on ZETA Potential? I was challanged by someone about the Zeta charge on my particles and all I could find was a site selling the equipment - without any reference data! He suggested the Zeta should be 60mv and 'most Universities had the test equipment'! Check them out at: http://www.bic.com Your feedback would be appreciated! f...@health2us.com Hello Fred and James and the others, one should not forget that in water one has always also OH- and H+ ions (and with changing concentrations during the process) . Assume an Ag+ has been released from the anode, it may combine for a while with a OH- forming AgOH and being neutral then. It will not be attracted back to the electrode in the negative cycle. (Not totally true, see below). Another Ag+ -Ion or a AgOH-molecule, or both can bind to it and thus may form a larger cluster which is less mobile and will therefore also not reach the electrode in the negative cycle. In addition, water dipoles will be attracted by the charged particle and surrounds it by a water skin (Ivan often has emphasized this). The particle stays positively charged, but its mobility is further reduced. Now to the movement of neutral particles: If these particles are dipoles (positively charged at one end and negatively at the other) they may be attracted by unhomogeneous (e.g. cone shaped) electrical fields. This is the same mechanism which happens at HV when the water molecules are attracted to the wire, suspended above the water level. Does this help? Günter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSSpinning Water Magnetizer
Just bought a Krups Midnight Cocktail( $15.00 @ Sterns Dept. Store) which is a small 16 oz battery powered cocktail mixer. It is much like a blender in its operation and creates spinning vortex when filled with water and turned on. Take some domino sized ceramic magnets and glue them to the outside of the water container so they encircle the water top to bottom. I would use alternate polarity. The magnets could be doubled up for increased strength. So now you have spinning water in a strong magnetic field! The unit is battery powered by two 1.5v penlight batteries and could easily be converted to AC operation using a small transformer and rectifier. The momentary action on/off switch could also be supplemented with a toggle on/off switch for prolonged spinning. Dennis Lipter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRE:Colloidal Silver - FAQ
LOL!!!Ahh, not to worry. some of us here are common guys (and gals. . . . . ) g Dear Silver Listers: A typo Common guys , help me to help Harold A typo. Please read. Come on guys, help me to help Harold. Apologies With regards -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRe: Bil, Sludge Honey
I very much agree, except I would include the American Revolution. It was a plan to quietly switch from overt monarchial tyranny to the illusion of freedom controlled by commercial law. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Sam Earle [SMTP:sear...@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 8:56 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSRe: Bil, Sludge Honey All modern wars (since the American Revolution) are bad ideas, and all have been started for monetary reasons. The U.S. involvement in the World Wars, especially, was calculated and deliberate. The Cold War was a hoax, as is the new Cold War with China. It's all about our own government waging war on our freedom in order to own our labor, and it's directed by the richest and most anonymous people in the world, who control the banks which control everything. Sam so nukeing japan to save 1,000,000 american gi's was bad idea?? Dennis 51/50 24/7 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSArgyria
Can we contact the doctor for the source of his data? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich [SMTP:kato...@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:16 AM To: Silver A Subject:CSArgyria Hey Guys, I just went to see a new doctor -- a holistic MD who specializes in chelation therapy -- among other things. I'm going to him because my hair mercury tests were high and my regular MD wanted it checked out. Anyhow, he seems very honest and intelligent and was very approving of my use of CS for my sinus infections. When I asked him if he knew of any negative side effects for CS he said that they are beginning to see cases of argyria (sp?) in Aids patients who are taking a litre or so of CS a day -- but that in lesser amounts he know of no negative side effects. I asked him was he sure that the argyria was with CS and not compounds and he said yes -- it was definitely with CS. I forgot to ask if he knew what ppm they were taking . But I thought it was interesting -- and I didn't think he was an alarmist type of person. Hey Donna, are you out there? How are you doing? Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
Hi Guys, Dr. Hunter says that DI is not a reliable method of making ultra-pure water. He distilles it from a potassium permanganate solution in a glass still. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Fred [SMTP:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 11:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV File: ATT1.html Ivan, I appreciate your addition to this complex problem (the more to consider the better the analysis), but must question your last paragraph: There is no doubt that HVAC silver sols are ionic, in that the particles carry a charge, as can be easily attested by a conductivity reading. Conductivity and charge are not solidly related, from what I have seen, specifically a new deionizer cartridge (resin bed) with activated (fine) charcoal particles will make DW a dark and highly conductive suspension, with a steady falloff of conductivity as the particles settle. Is not a charcoal suspension the same as a metallic crystal suspension? Comments? and did you check if 'Zeta Potential' equipment is available to you? f...@health2us.com Ivan said: Another thing Guenter, As the AC wave form is sinusoidal, when the voltage passes through zero to the opposite sign, the attractive force is low but the particles having some inertia, drift further from the electrode. This and the fact that the solution acts to slow the propagation of the energy front (the electrical or electrostatic propagation relies on the movement of ions and lags and is slower than the input from the electrode) would also help to ensure the escape of the majority of the particles. Those particles that do find themselves reduced at the electrode may well be the first to be oxidised at the next change of phase. The reactions at the electrode are very complex and not as straight forward as I had previously thought, involving electrode polarisation, overpotential and so on... understanding the bulk solution chemistry is far more intuitive, I have found. There is no doubt that HVAC silver sols are ionic, in that the particles carry a charge, as can be easily attested by a conductivity reading. Regards - Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV
Hi Guenter, Thanks for your continuing comments. Is the O2 the dipole? Or the Silver?. How does the separate rotation of the ions translate into a rotation of the bulk around the arc bars? If it reverses each cycle, what is the force which is unbalanced enough to hold the cone up? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 12:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV James, the global effect is independent from polarity. When the wire is positively charged, the negative end of the dipole is attracted and will be directed closer to the wire, the positive is repulsed, is further away. During the negative cycle of the wire, the whole thing is reversed. During both polarities of the wire the dipoles are attracted (because of the different distances of the dipole charges to the wire), but the dipoles change permanently their directions. Because attraction and repulsion both take place simultaneously, the force on a dipole in an unhomogeneous field is weaker as on a singular charge (e.g. an ion). you see, the dipole is permanently oscillating or rotating in an alternating electrical field. If there is also a magnetic field, as it is around an electric current, there are also forces transverse to that field, which makes the movement more complicated. I hope you can agree, Gunter James Osbourne, Holmes schrieb: Thanks Guenter, Why does the cone rise with the alternating current? What vectors make it spin? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Guenter Poelz [SMTP:po...@mail.desy.de] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSRE:Particle size -LV and HV Hello Fred and James and the others, one should not forget that in water one has always also OH- and H+ ions (and with changing concentrations during the process) . Assume an Ag+ has been released from the anode, it may combine for a while with a OH- forming AgOH and being neutral then. It will not be attracted back to the electrode in the negative cycle. (Not totally true, see below). Another Ag+ -Ion or a AgOH-molecule, or both can bind to it and thus may form a larger cluster which is less mobile and will therefore also not reach the electrode in the negative cycle. In addition, water dipoles will be attracted by the charged particle and surrounds it by a water skin (Ivan often has emphasized this). The particle stays positively charged, but its mobility is further reduced. Now to the movement of neutral particles: If these particles are dipoles (positively charged at one end and negatively at the other) they may be attracted by unhomogeneous (e.g. cone shaped) electrical fields. This is the same mechanism which happens at HV when the water molecules are attracted to the wire, suspended above the water level. Does this help? Gunter Fred schrieb: James, snip. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSSpinning Water Magnetizer
Megacool. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Dennis Lipter [SMTP:dlip...@accesshub.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 1:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSSpinning Water Magnetizer Just bought a Krups Midnight Cocktail( $15.00 @ Sterns Dept. Store) which is a small 16 oz battery powered cocktail mixer. It is much like a blender in its operation and creates spinning vortex when filled with water and turned on. Take some domino sized ceramic magnets and glue them to the outside of the water container so they encircle the water top to bottom. I would use alternate polarity. The magnets could be doubled up for increased strength. So now you have spinning water in a strong magnetic field! The unit is battery powered by two 1.5v penlight batteries and could easily be converted to AC operation using a small transformer and rectifier. The momentary action on/off switch could also be supplemented with a toggle on/off switch for prolonged spinning. Dennis Lipter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHello List
Hi James, I'm repeating it tonight. The supply is set for 30 volts and I'm using about 3/4 of a glass of distilled water. I'd say there is about 4 of wire in the water spaced at about 1 1/2 with a 1/2 space at the bottom. The power supply goes up to 5 amps and is graduated in 200 ma. increments. So far, the needle hasn't moved. I might try to measure the current later with a more sensitive hand held meter. I also want to try and measure the resistance to see if that will give me a clue as to the concentration. There is a current limiter on the supply but I imagine I am drawing microamps and that is probably to sensitive to set it for. Hello Andy, Do you know how many amps you were drawing? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: ascottx...@aol.com [SMTP:ascottx...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 7:59 PM To:silver-list@eskimo.com Cc:ascottx...@aol.com Subject: CSHello List Hello List, My name is Andy and I just subscribed while making my first batch. I haven't had time to look at any of the posts so far so please bear with me. This is what I did. Please let me know if it was right. I suspended two pieces of 14 AWG .999 fine silver wire in a glass of room temperature distilled water (Alhambra) about 1 1/2 apart. I connected a lab bench power supply to them and set it at 30 volts. After about 1/2 hour bubbles started to come off of the wires and what appeared to be fine strands of something started to come out of both of the wires and slowly move towards each other. I kept power to it an additional 15 minutes. I swished the glass of water around and shot a laser pointer through it. There's definitely something in there. I took a mouthful and swished it around and gargled for a minute or two and then repeated. It had a strange taste and I felt like I got a buzz but that could have been psychological. 1) Can anyone tell me if this is the correct procedure for the desired particle size? 2) How about the shelf life for bottling the stuff? I thought I would use amber beer bottles with crown caps. Store in a cool dark place. 3) Dose anyone know if CS has been known to compromise a damaged liver? (HCV) 4) What quantity should be taken for a chronic condition? (killing a virus) Thank you for your time Andy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.1]) by air-yd05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:03:57 -0500 Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:03:38 -0500 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id QAA09975; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:03:32 -0800 Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 16:03:32 -0800 Message-ID: 01bf419e.26d20700@trail.com From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSHello List Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:58:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: JHjia.0.lR2.J7lJu@mx1 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com X-Mailing-List: silver-list@eskimo.com archive/latest/17405 X-Loop: silver-list@eskimo.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com
Re: CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
Hi Fred, Please excuse my ignorance as I am new to the list. Regarding your recent tests: How do you measure what does and doesn't have an effect on colloidal silver? Do you measure the volume of silver in the solution, the ionic charge? What do you measure it with? Best Regards, Andy In a message dated 12/08/1999 10:35:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, f...@health2us.com writes: Subj: RE: CSElectric Blanket / O.T. Date: 12/08/1999 10:35:26 AM Pacific Standard Time From: f...@health2us.com (Fred) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Yvonne, Per my recent tests and posts, there is little that will effect a good colloid of silver - boiling had no effect, very strong light including heavy doses of UV light had no effect and freezing had no effect! Magnetic fields do have some small effect on water - see others posts about using magnets or swirling of water to get structured or empowered or energized water BUT a very strong magnetic field has also shown no effect, so the weak fields in every day life will have no deleterious effects. What is more important, in storage in a car (I keep some in mine for that sip I forgot to take at home), is the vibration or agitation of the colloid, limiting its life to probably less then 6 months. You will note on a spray bottle, the deposition of silver particles right at the spray exit (sever agitation), after just a few months use! My spoof about avoiding some of the things in nature that might hurt you was based on the crises posts by many lately! Yes, everything effects everything else in this universe but the effects are so low with most, that they become trivial! Be concerned with your simple household staples: * 11 Extra Strength Tylenol can be fatal, or even 4-5 if you have a compromised liver? * excessive drinking of orange juice or of eating bananas can be dangerous, giving you a serious potassium imbalance! *vitamin D at ten times the recommended dose can be very toxic to children. *mango's belong to the poison ivy family and the unripened peel can cause sever reactions to those sensitive to poison ivy! My sister has to only walk by the green fruit and gets hives. *potatoes that are damaged, have turned green or are sprouting contain a toxic chemical Solianine. Also, tomatoes, bell peppers, chilies, potatoes, eggplant are part of the nightshade family and aggrevating to the pain and inflamation of rheumatoid arthritis. * etc., etc., etc f...@health2us.com__ At 06:58 AM 12/8/1999 , you wrote: Hello ! Could the mimxed magnetic fields in one's car affect cs whilst it is being transported at all and if so, is there some way to counteract this? Thankx! Yvonne :o) -Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:10 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSElectric Blanket / O.T. Actually, you would be better off to turn off your main circuit breaker (except when you wish to see at night, wash clothes, heat water, make coffee, cook, etc.) and avoid using your car which has many mixed magnetic fields (unless you want to drive someplace) and keep away from electric poles and their wires as they usually have very high voltages and thus high fields (unless you want to go outside sometime!). As a further protection from the earths magnetic fields always sit in a tall chair, and if you do drive try to keep on the dark side of the earth to avoid the strong particle radiations from the sun! OH, never mind, just forget it and be happy! f...@health2us.com Really? Jo Not unless you unplug it too, I think... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net --- Headers Return-Path: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com Received: from rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (rly-yb05.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.5]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:35:26 1900 Received: from mx2.eskimo.com (mx2.eskimo.com [204.122.16.49]) by rly-yb05.mx.aol.com (v66.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 13:35:08 -0500 Received: (from smart...@localhost) by mx2.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) id KAA11134; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: 4.1.19991208112623.00a48...@mail.cyberstreet.com Message-Id: 4.1.19991208112623.00a48...@mail.cyberstreet.com Message-Id:
CSTea Tree Oil for Nail Fungus
My husband has previously tried tea tree oil on his nails FAITHFULLY for a few months. Nothing happened. Plus the tea tree oil smells to high heaven. It didn't bother him much as he's lost so much of his sense of smell (I smell better than he does :-) but it bothered me a lot so he discontinued it. The CS is doing such a great job on his nails that I can see no point in doing anything different. Sharon Sharon, We cured my daughter's toe nail fungus by using tea tree oil every morning and every evening for about 6 months. When it was almost gone, we got a little less consistent and it started coming back. This site made me understand and inspired me to continue until it was gone for good. Apparently vinegar will also work, but you MUST DO IT TWICE EVERY DAY AND CONTINUE FOR AN EXTRA MONTH AFTER IT IS TOTALLY GONE! A HREF=http://bcn.net/~stoll/fungus.html;Fungus/A http://bcn.net/~stoll/fungus.html Karen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe:electroporation.
I did high coffee enemas for 2 winters in a row coupled with fasting. I got out unbelievable amounts of old material but I still felt the same generally. Sick. I know I failed to get everything out as I just could not continue the fasting and enemas any longer. That's why I'm using the HSOs now to break up the old stuff without having to do the high enemas. It's just that the dieoff is horrible. Sharon Hi Sharon, Have you tried using Gerson's method of coffee retention enemas to help get rid of the livers toxic load from the die off from colliadial silver, etc.? Just a thought. Dave R Sharon L. House wrote: -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Sharon/candida
Katarina, I'm not familiar with the stoll test. Could you please explain what this is? If you've had parasites confirmed with a test then who can argue with that, but if it was just the symptoms you mentioned, they can all be accounted for by the presence of candida. Did you also have a test that confirmed you no longer have candida? Please excuse the questions, but I'm not certain in my case whether my load of symptoms is mainly caused by candida or parasites. I had a fish tapeworm 25 years ago and thought I killed it off but I hear if you fail to get the head, it can reappear. I often wonder if that's not my problem today. Thanks, Sharon Hey Sharon, I know I have a parasite because of my digestive symptoms -- huge bloating, flatulence, lack of energy etc. So I get tested with a stoll test and the parasite continues to show --- despite all the herbs to get rid of it. Because I have been fighting both candida and the parasite for a long time with a lot of different things, I am not completely sure what got rid of the candida. But here is a letter I wrote to Carmen with the basic regime. Let me know if you want more info. Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOlive Leaf
Carol, In addition to all the great things you're doing for your sister, do you feel that she has been doing better since taking CS? Seems that every time I turn around, someone I know has been diagnosed with cancer and I'm so curious if CS can make a noticeable difference. Also, Carol, I see in another message that you wrote about glaucoma you mentioned taking enzymes and cultures to clean out arteries. Are you referring to digestive enzymes? And what are the cultures, please? Sharon Hi Sharon, My sister who has cancer has been taking CS for a couple of months. Thanks for asking. Carol -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSElectric Blanket / O.T.
I read that even though the electric blanket is turned off and UNPLUGGED that it is still bad for you. Kinda hard to believe, eh? I came down with my illness when I was previously married and we lived in the woods in a VERY clean area. We had no electric anything. Even the power lines were over a half mile away. Same with phone lines. No underground lines of ANY kind. No one had ever lived within a few miles of where we lived. Ever. Not unless they were Indians with teepees. We grew and ate our own organic vegetables. Our meat consumption was almost non-existent as we had no way to keep it. I didn't smoke, drink alcohol, takes drugs of ANY kind or drink coffee. The only way we had to power anything was a gasoline generator which we used once a week to operate a wringer washer. When that gave out we bought a scrubboard. If it couldn't be powered by wood, we didn't have it. We used to joke about our wood-burning blanket, our wood-burning microwave, our wood-burning radio, etc. Consequently, I inwardly chuckle when I hear people get all jacked out of shape about these electrical appliances and how harmful they are. Not saying it isn't true but I don't get excited about it anymore. I lived about the cleanest life imaginable in this day and age and I STILL got sick. Go figure. Sharon Where does this fit in with magnets used for healing, and these zappers that pass current through your tissue for therapeutic value? Along with current flow comes magnetic fields. These zappers even produce alternating currents. What about the earths magnetic field? I was under the understanding that AC fields were bad. This is somewhat understandable due to induced currents in the body. I was thinking of powering my electric blanket with DC to alleviate the close contact with 60Hz mag flux. However, I feel like the flux from an e-blanket is much less than motors, xformers, etc. How would one judge the improvements, if there were any, from shutting off the e-blanket? And talk about fields...this computer put's out a strong RF field...as do most. Jeff somethings gotta kill ya -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Nellie/Milk
I recall reading in a book many years ago that the phosphorous in pasteurized milk is unavailable because in the process of pasteurization, the enzymes are killed off. One of which is (I believe) phosphatase. Phosphatase makes the absorption of phosphorous possible. In fact, the criteria of whether the milk is adequately pasteurized is the destruction of phosphatase. Sharon Cows milk has a high phosphorous content, and while this is needed for the absorption of calcium into the human body, because the ratio is so high it actually pulls available calcium from the blood and body fluids when it is eliminated. The body then responds by pulling calcium from the bones to make the available calcium in the body fluids return to proper levels. This also happens with the ingestion of other foods of high phosphorous content, eg coke. When investigations are done of people taking cows milk, a high concentration of calcium is found in the blood (which the dairy industry trumpets) but in fact the available calcium has come from the bones and other places that need it (which the dairy industry ignores). Cows milk is good for cows not people. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSThanks to Marshall
Marshall, You have answered many of my questions. Thank you SO MUCH. And yes, I did wet the paper towel. Also, I'm amazed that colloidal copper can be made similar to CS! You say you've done it. For medicinal purposes? Or just as an experiment? Have you taken it internally? Know anyone who has? Sharon That silver is an oxidization catalyst and kills anaerobic pathogens by oxidizating them, just like hydrogen peroxide. Marshall Wow, that is a good question. I have never seen it happen, and Beck claims that only 5 to 10% or so of the people have this problem. He never mentioned the possibility on the toxins from the kill off being a problem. The people from Sota monitor this list, and are in direct contact with Beck, so maybe they can follow up on this. Marshall Are you wetting the paper? If they aren't wet it won't carry currnent. If they are wet and you got a paper cut on then you must be very unlucky, I don't see how you did it. To test that my unit is working I will hold one of the electrodes in one hand and put the other to my tongue for a second. It is easy to feel if you are getting current. Colloidal copper can be easily made from 14 gauge house wire. I have done it, same way as colloidal silver. Marshall Beck claims a virutal 100% cure rate on his tape for cancer using his 4 step protocol. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
