Re: CS>Personal Experience Update on Nebulizer/Humidifier Use
This is interesting Michael, Do you have links to further information. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "michael murray" To: Sent: Friday, 23 March 2001 05:07 Subject: Re: CS>Personal Experience Update on Nebulizer/Humidifier Use > Dear Jason, > > Next time you buy a bottle of Rum and apply it as alcohol > inhalation therapy. This removes the garbage the chemtrails drop in > there. Once the garbage is removed the cs nebulizer will be > exponentialy more effective in less time. You stay on the rum in > anothers presense until it is coughed out. It will be green, black, > and sick looking. > > Michael > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 07/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ!
As for the technical discussions, they are greatly appreciated. There is no other place in which to find such detailed and specific information and research, than here. Not being a scientist or researcher, I can NOT honestly say I understand it all, but I certainly am learning and appreciative. Thank you. suzy
Re: CS>On "Acceptable" CS Topics
Some very wise words of wisdom DESIDERATA Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember that peace is found in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; yet listen to others, even to the dull and ignorant; for they too have a message for you. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they will lower your spirit through their fear. Yet, do not compare yourself with others, lest you become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your own achievements however humble, as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own standing for it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism, if you will seek it. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Be not cynical about Love; for without it, all is aridity and finally, disenchantment. Love is as the Lotus. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrender the things of youth. Exercise strength of spirit to shield you against misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are simply born of loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are seeking perfection, you are not it, yet. You are a child of the universe and no less than the trees and the stars, you have earned the right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you now, your universe is unfolding as it must. Therefore be at peace with your God, whatever you conceive God to be. And whatever your labours and aspirations, avoid the noise and confusion of life, keep in peace for your soul. Ignore their sham, drudgery and drunken dreams. It is a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Decide to be happy. For it is your choice and one of the few that cannot be denied you on your journey. - Original Message - From: "Arthur Rambo" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: CS>On "Acceptable" CS Topics > There's not much need to reply to such a protest. Like Chuck said; > it'll pass. >I hope you guys aren't put out by Marshas' rant. > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>On "Acceptable" CS Topics
There's not much need to reply to such a protest. Like Chuck said; it'll pass. I hope you guys aren't put out by Marshas' rant. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Personal Experience Update on Nebulizer/Humidifier Use
Hi Brickey: I am using output of 9V= 300 amps, my tester show 5 PPM after 40 minutes for 32 ozs. ALLERGIES, SINUS, COLDS, HEADACHES: This is one of our best medicines for allergy, sinus problems, colds and headaches. Excellent for dispersing headaches and sinus allergies/problems. Lie down, place three to five drops into each nostril, when they hit the back of the throat, sit up and blow your nose, then suck down from the roof of your mouth (snort) $20.00 Canadian. + S&H blessings Ted brick...@aol.com wrote: > Ted. What voltage do you use on the wall adapter to silver pulser? 13.5 VDC? > I bought a silver pulser and magnetic pulser finally hoping to get rid of a > chronic sinus problem. I have been drinking one cup of hot tea made with Cs > each night for a GERDS problem. Any reflux includes Cs? Seems like my > heartburn is improving. Some of the tea is still in my stomach the next > morning. So I need to make larger quantities of Cs than 16 ounces. > I just got back home from a trip south where I saw lots of people with flu. > So far I haven't caught it. Got my 45th IV chelation and dental work in > Mexico. People are now saying that 90% of people who have had chelation > treatments will not get Cancer. > Brickey > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Ted Helping Hand Consulting http://www.helpinghandconsulting.com
Re: CS>Personal Experience Update on Nebulizer/Humidifier Use
Ted. What voltage do you use on the wall adapter to silver pulser? 13.5 VDC? I bought a silver pulser and magnetic pulser finally hoping to get rid of a chronic sinus problem. I have been drinking one cup of hot tea made with Cs each night for a GERDS problem. Any reflux includes Cs? Seems like my heartburn is improving. Some of the tea is still in my stomach the next morning. So I need to make larger quantities of Cs than 16 ounces. I just got back home from a trip south where I saw lots of people with flu. So far I haven't caught it. Got my 45th IV chelation and dental work in Mexico. People are now saying that 90% of people who have had chelation treatments will not get Cancer. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Marsha wrote: > > > Marsha, who once left the list because of your incomprehensible > > > "free speech", and may do so again... Stuart replied: > > ST: Please do us a favour and p... off. Ted observed > Your not getting through Mike. The only thing I can *HOPE* is that Stuart did not read *ALL* of his mail before he reacted to Marsha and whipped off a reply. This is an *extremely* good habit to get into. If he had done so he'd have realized: 1) The problem had been dealt with already. 2) He'd be sticking his foot in it, big time. Stuart, that kind of behavior is way off base and sufficient cause for banishment. Is that what you want, sir? Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
In a message dated 3/23/01 8:04:40 PM EST, fr...@strsoft.com writes: << No, I have not. Both silver carbonate and silver hydroxide reduce to silver oxide. Hydroxide releases hydrogen and carbonate release CO2. So all you wind up with is silver oxide. For more details, see my write up on what happens as water is evaporated from a high ionic solution in the FAQ. frank key >> Frank: I don't understand. Aren't you saying that the solubility limit of silver is governed by the solubility product of silver carbonate or silver hydroxide? So why wouldn't an UNADULTERATED residue contain one or both of these compounds? When exactly do these decomposition reactions take place? Is it while water is evaporated from the sample, or are you talking about something else? Surely there must be a way to prep such a residue without driving off CO2 or hydrogen. Failing that approach, various types of microscopic phase identification and analyses could be tried. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: CS>On "Acceptable" CS Topics
Next time look for a plant called plantain chew a couple of leaves and apply, this will solve the problem next time Blessings Ted rainis...@aol.com wrote: > That was too funny!! :) > > By the way, Cs did not work on a lovely hive episode I acquired on vacation. > Ended up in EMR for an antihistamine shot. > > ~Hanan > > In a message dated 3/23/01 5:54:29 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: > > << Nonsense, > We don't respond because we know how the list works, and what is going to, and > not going to happen. No need for outrage or even response. > Marsha's tirade is predictable. Look at its date, and check for it next month. > Don't you guys ever learn ANYTHING? > > AWRIGHT, now Let's Get It On!!! > Chuck > I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol! >> > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Ted Helping Hand Consulting http://www.helpinghandconsulting.com
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Excellent comments. I have recently found a couple of websites I hope will show that there is, indeed, hope. You doubtless have at least 'heard' that the disease causing organisms can be destroyed by the correct frequencies broadcast into the 'researcher's body? Most detractors said that was nothing but 'hype' but when a number of groups started coming up with the same frequencies it interested someone to find out "why". GO TO www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/elec/cfl.htm for a long list of frequencies which certainly indicate the amount of work went into this by hundreds of people, then GO TO www.gewo.cz/health/charl_boehm_e.htm for academic justification. I hope you all see a parallel to what is going on here on the silver listDel - Original Message - From: "Steve & Jackie Young" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys > Marsha, > > Some of us are counting on you having visits with the professors at BYU who > are probably doing the very same sort of research that you find so boring. > We are counting on you being interested enough in the science as well as the > results that you will be motivated to probe the BYU professors and pass on > what they are discovering. We would like to read any papers they have > produced about any aspect of their research. So please, repent of your > "outta here" attitude and hang around. > > While I don't understand the details of the electrochemistry that Stuart, > Ivan, Roger, Stephen, Frank, Brooks, etc. discuss with each other, I do > feel it is of utmost importance to learn just how and what our CS generators > produce, and exactly how and why they are so effective or not effective in > us. Until the key mechanisms are known, how can we possibly hope to > systematically make improvements? > > What is offensive, and which probably drives away people from the list is > the nasty tone which acompanies some contributer's presentations and > responses. The actual science can always be appreciated, even if not > understood, especially when based on carefully planned and controlled and > repeatable laboratory experiments. There needs to be much more > experimentation and much less defense of pet hypothesis. I hope our > illustrious colleges will continue conduct experiments and publish results > which conclusively prove the in vitro effectivity of ions vs particles vs a > combination of both. And I hope they will be honest in reporting results, > even if ultimately the intention is for financial gain, as has been alleged > occassionally. I personally have no problem with people making a reasonable > profit from their labors and experiments. I have a big problem if people > are so driven by the prospects of great wealth that they will falsify their > research results, deny the fact that they may have overlooked something, > attack other people's research, etc. > > It would also be valuable if experiments were conducted to see what foods or > medicines or chemicals enhance or reduce the potency of CS products. For > example, if one drinks a few ounces of CS and also pops a couple of aspirin > at the same time, is that good, bad or of no consequence? > > So, can't we all just be more civil and help each other? Marsha can > continue to help the newbies. Anecdotal testimonies are a valuable > contribution to the list. The electrochemical scientists can help each > other to make more scientific progress together than they could make alone, > if they will just swallow some pride and admit there is much yet to learn > about CS. > --Steve > - Original Message - > From: Marsha Hallett > To: > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:22 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys > > > > > Oh my God, Marsha will be so offended with my reply that she may go off > > list > > > AGAIN? Ivan, Stuart, Frank are you listening? TAKE OUR DISCUSSION OFF > LIST > > > IMMEDIATELY, AND I MEAN NOW (Boy, I sure hope this works, don't > you?) > > > Roger > > > > OK, you win, I`m outta here. > > I hope someone will benefit from CS, in spite of you. > > Marsha > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >
Re: CS>zappers
Thanks everyone for your responses. Now, I have something to start on... Ishak -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Marsha, Some of us are counting on you having visits with the professors at BYU who are probably doing the very same sort of research that you find so boring. We are counting on you being interested enough in the science as well as the results that you will be motivated to probe the BYU professors and pass on what they are discovering. We would like to read any papers they have produced about any aspect of their research. So please, repent of your "outta here" attitude and hang around. While I don't understand the details of the electrochemistry that Stuart, Ivan, Roger, Stephen, Frank, Brooks, etc. discuss with each other, I do feel it is of utmost importance to learn just how and what our CS generators produce, and exactly how and why they are so effective or not effective in us. Until the key mechanisms are known, how can we possibly hope to systematically make improvements? What is offensive, and which probably drives away people from the list is the nasty tone which acompanies some contributer's presentations and responses. The actual science can always be appreciated, even if not understood, especially when based on carefully planned and controlled and repeatable laboratory experiments. There needs to be much more experimentation and much less defense of pet hypothesis. I hope our illustrious colleges will continue conduct experiments and publish results which conclusively prove the in vitro effectivity of ions vs particles vs a combination of both. And I hope they will be honest in reporting results, even if ultimately the intention is for financial gain, as has been alleged occassionally. I personally have no problem with people making a reasonable profit from their labors and experiments. I have a big problem if people are so driven by the prospects of great wealth that they will falsify their research results, deny the fact that they may have overlooked something, attack other people's research, etc. It would also be valuable if experiments were conducted to see what foods or medicines or chemicals enhance or reduce the potency of CS products. For example, if one drinks a few ounces of CS and also pops a couple of aspirin at the same time, is that good, bad or of no consequence? So, can't we all just be more civil and help each other? Marsha can continue to help the newbies. Anecdotal testimonies are a valuable contribution to the list. The electrochemical scientists can help each other to make more scientific progress together than they could make alone, if they will just swallow some pride and admit there is much yet to learn about CS. --Steve - Original Message - From: Marsha Hallett To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:22 AM Subject: Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys > > Oh my God, Marsha will be so offended with my reply that she may go off > list > > AGAIN? Ivan, Stuart, Frank are you listening? TAKE OUR DISCUSSION OFF LIST > > IMMEDIATELY, AND I MEAN NOW (Boy, I sure hope this works, don't you?) > > Roger > > OK, you win, I`m outta here. > I hope someone will benefit from CS, in spite of you. > Marsha > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>Re: CS>On "Acceptable" CS Topics
That was too funny!! :) By the way, Cs did not work on a lovely hive episode I acquired on vacation. Ended up in EMR for an antihistamine shot. ~Hanan In a message dated 3/23/01 5:54:29 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: << Nonsense, We don't respond because we know how the list works, and what is going to, and not going to happen. No need for outrage or even response. Marsha's tirade is predictable. Look at its date, and check for it next month. Don't you guys ever learn ANYTHING? AWRIGHT, now Let's Get It On!!! Chuck I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol! >> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>On "Acceptable" CS Topics
Nonsense, We don't respond because we know how the list works, and what is going to, and not going to happen. No need for outrage or even response. Marsha's tirade is predictable. Look at its date, and check for it next month. Don't you guys ever learn ANYTHING? AWRIGHT, now Let's Get It On!!! Chuck I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol! On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:33:23 EST, rogalt...@aol.com wrote: >Frankly, I'm surprised that my objection and that of Stuart's >have been the only ones heard. The freedom to speak ones mind is perhaps the >most important of all the liberties that an open society enjoys. The fact >that almost no one on this list has protested at the suggestion to limit >discussion to "acceptable" CS topics, speaks volumes about how much our >values have deteriorated. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>zappers
Here is a link with a good explanation of the differences between Zappers and Beck Blood Purifier's http://www.toolsforhealing.com/products/Product_differences.htm Do You Know the Differences Between a Magnetic Pulse Generator,a Zapper, and a Beck Blood Purifier? Dotsie by Dennis Harwood The Hulda Clark Zapper is a small electronic device that uses two copper handholds to deliver an electrical current of approximately 7 to 8 volts to the body. This current produces a square wave with a frequency of about 30KHz (Kilohertz). There are some units that have frequencies as low as 2KHz to 5KHz and some that even have a variable frequency. The lower frequencies are supposed to make it easier for the current to penetrate into the body and be more effective. Regardless of the frequency used, all of the Clark Zappers work on the same principle of a DC current with a square wave applied to the body through the handholds. These handholds can be placed on any part of the body desired, not just held in each hand. As a matter of fact, it is recommended that you routinely switch the position of the handholds to different parts of the body to promote penetration of the current to all areas and extremities.The Bob Beck Blood Purifier (Silver Pulser) is also an electronic device that uses two small electrodes that are placed over major blood supply arteries or veins on the wrists or ankles. It produces a small micro-current in the blood stream as the blood circulates past the electrodes. It uses a higher voltage, typically about 27 volts, but a much lower frequency than the Zapper.The Magnetic Pulse Generator does not use electrical currents, but instead uses a high intensity, short duration magnetic pulse of approximately 21 Kilogauss as its means of killing or immobilizing parasites. The unit consists of a small box which holds the electronics and a round coil attached by a cord. It is the coil which produces the pulse every 5-8 seconds. The coil can be placed anywhere on the body, including the head and face. The ability to place the coil anywhere means that areas not covered by the Zapper or the Black Box/Blood Purifier are easily treated, including the Lymph system, stomach, head, and intestines.All three devices are attempting to do the same thing, i.e. to use either small electrical currents or high intensity magnetic pulses applied to various areas of the body to kill living organisms that are in your body that shouldn't be there. This includes organisms such as: viruses, bacteria, mold, fungi, and parasites, which includes such nasties as tapeworms, ringworms, roundworms, flukes, HIV, Flu bugs, etc. I'll be using the term parasite from here on to mean any and all of the previously mentioned organisms. So please keep that in mind while reading the remaining text.The number of microscopic and non-microscopic invaders that are in the human body on a regular basis is truly astounding! What's even more astounding, though, is the fact that the medical establishment seems to be completely oblivious to their presence. The damage they do, however, is very real and is a major source of suffering for an almost completely unsuspecting public. The World Health Organization and other knowledgeable health groups around the world have stated that parasite infestation is the number one health problem in the world. Yet your friendly, local doctor is unaware for the most part. Or it may be that he is simply unwilling to waste time trying to convince people of the problem. In the United States we, as a people, seem to believe that parasites are only problems for poor people from some third world country. We are too clean and civilized to ever have parasite problems. Think again! Read the article In any event, to get back to the task at hand: How do these devices differ and do you need to use all three of them? In short, they are different in major ways and, Yes, you do need to use them all to be more effective in eliminating parasites of all types. The Zapper kills by passing an electrical current through the body. Electricity travels on the surface of muscle tissue and will not penetrate the body like radio waves or x-rays do. Therefore, there are large areas of the body that the current cannot reach, making it ineffective in eliminating parasites in those locations. Areas such as the contents of your stomach and your intestines, your sinus cavities, parasites inside gallstones in your gallbladder and/or liver, and the blood stream and lymph tend to be impervious to the Zapper. Unfortunately, large numbers of parasites live in all of those areas. So you need different devices to reach different areas.The Bob Beck Blood Purifier differs from the Zapper in that it's sole intention is to clean the blood stream by immobilizing the parasites found there by means of a small micro-current applied directly to a blood vein or artery. It takes
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
Roger wrote: > Frank: Since the solubility products of either silver carbonate or silver > hydroxide indicate very low silver solubility, it would appear to be a simple > procedure to collect any residue from a LVDC CS process that produced a CS > concentration above, say, 20 PPM CS (which is above your proposed silver > solubility limit), heat gently to remove any hydrated water, and then use > x-ray diffraction to confirm the presence of either silver carbonate or > silver hydroxide. Have you attempted to do that? Roger No, I have not. Both silver carbonate and silver hydroxide reduce to silver oxide. Hydroxide releases hydrogen and carbonate release CO2. So all you wind up with is silver oxide. For more details, see my write up on what happens as water is evaporated from a high ionic solution in the FAQ. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Tyndall yet clear
Roger; Check the files, I believe that Marshall was the orginator of that piece of data, and its been some time ago. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
Hear Ye; Do not forget the making CS is an adulterated silver electroplaing operation. Here we are using pure water,m just add some sodium cyanide to improve the transport and walla you are plating silver !!! The "black stuff" on the cathode is silver. Just rub some betewwn your fingers and they will turn silver. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Solubility Product of Silver Sulfide
Marshall: Sorry if this message has gone through already, but I want to make sure it got posted correctly. Roger Marshall: Something isn't right. I just looked up the Solubility Product of silver sulfide. It's 6 * 10 ^-51. I noticed that AgSO3 is 1.5*10^-14 and AgSO4 is 1.4 * 10^-5, but as I said earlier, I don't believe these compounds will form at the expense of silver sulfide. Why not check the silver sulfide Solubility Product with your own references. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
In a message dated 3/23/01 4:14:07 PM EST, fr...@strsoft.com writes: << silver carbonate (Ag2CO3) is 8.46 x exp(-12) ( from CRC handbook) silver oxide (Ag2O) is not in the CRC handbook, but we calculate as follows: The solubility of silver oxide is 0.0013 g/100 ml of water. It is a brown-black cubic crystal of density 7.14 g/cc. and it decomposes at 300 deg. C. the molar solubility is 5.6 x exp(-5) moles/L, which would make the solubility product constant, at 20 deg. C, = 7.02 x exp(-13) frank key >> Frank: Since the solubility products of either silver carbonate or silver hydroxide indicate very low silver solubility, it would appear to be a simple procedure to collect any residue from a LVDC CS process that produced a CS concentration above, say, 20 PPM CS (which is above your proposed silver solubility limit), heat gently to remove any hydrated water, and then use x-ray diffraction to confirm the presence of either silver carbonate or silver hydroxide. Have you attempted to do that? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Living Waters
There is already an answer to these problems of drinkable water, people with money will not invest, unless they get total control over your product. Blessings Ted michael murray wrote: > Dear Judith, > Don't blame your neighbors the farmers because, from the several > I've talked with in the U.S. southwest, they too are disgusted with the > regulations placed upon them by what is known here as u.s. department > of agriculture. The natural predators of insects are poisoned and dead > so that there is no reversal of the blasphemy done against creation by > the Cabal through their tentacle fronts that they hide behind, unseen, > abstracted, but always footprints leading to their door on the mount > where Judas betrayed messiah to the priestcraft. Then Judas hung > himself in the potters field at the base of that mountain, where the UN > minions coordinate the deal they made with lucy in Babylon. They have > literally sold their souls and already have their fate demonstrated to > them by Judas their guide! My local group will be working on some > exotic technologies for this problem and equivalent value should be > $200 per unit with accessories optional. > > - -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Your not getting through Mike. Blessings Ted gaia research wrote: > Dear Marsha > > You wrote: > > > More Power Boys, listen up! You are Boing! Go off list with each > > > other...please? > > > > > Marsha, who once left the list because of your incomprehensible "free > > speech", and may do so again... > > ST: Please do us a favour and p... off. > > Regards > > Stuart > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Ted Helping Hand Consulting http://www.helpinghandconsulting.com
Re: CS-silver in olden times
In a message dated 3/23/01 3:54:14 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << Subj: Re: CS-silver in olden times Date: 3/23/01 3:54:14 PM EST From: mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com It's not that low. In cold water it is .2 ppm and in warm water higher. (CRC Handbook specified as .2 grams per 100 cc). Thus a gallon of cold milk could dissolve about .8 mg of silver if the sulfur is available. A family that goes through 3 gallons of milk a week could would dissolve about 2.5 mg of silver sulfide a week, and a 1 oz silver coin would lose 10% of its thickness in about 1000 weeks or 20 years. Thus coins that are done this way for a generation or two could become noticably thinner. The effect would be higher in a rain barrel since there is more water and it is warmer. Marshall >> Marshall: Something isn't right. I just looked up the Solubility Product of silver sulfide. It's 6 * 10 ^-51. I noticed that AgSO3 is 1.5*10^-14 and AgSO4 is 1.4 * 10^-5, but as I said earlier, I don't believe these compounds will form at the expense of silver sulfide. Why not check the silver sulfide Solubility Product with your own references. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Personal Experience Update on Nebulizer/Humidifier Use
I read somewhere that 0- is better than just 0 or 0+. Any elaboration, I seek. How to electronicly produce 0-? Thanks, Michael --- "A.V.R.A" wrote: > Greeetings, > > I don't believe it says "too dense for acute infections". The > density of the mist causes it to line the throat to the point of > complete condensation. I'm sure the same thing happens as the > colloidal silver enters the lungs.With the oxygen nebulizer, the > mist more readily enters the deeper portion of the lungs. > > I'm not sure that backing away from the humidifier is a solution. > Again, the humidifiyer certainly works, but not like the oxygen > nebulizer. > > I'm CERTAIN the pure oxygen is a contributing factor as well! > > The O2 nebulizer does use quite a bit less than the humidifier. > > Jason > - Original Message - > From: Russ Rosser > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Personal Experience Update on Nebulizer/Humidifier > Use > > > Hi-- > > http://silverdata.20m.com/nebulizers.html says humidifiers produce > denser concentration than nebulizers, possibly too string for acute > infections. Presumably, one could simply inhale at whatever distance > from the humidifier yields the optimal concentration. Is the > nebulizer therefore an alternative to the wastefulness > of humidifiers, which necessarily produce overkill concentrations, > or is the oxygen somehow synergistic with the silver protocol? > > --Russ > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Living Waters
Dear Judith, Don't blame your neighbors the farmers because, from the several I've talked with in the U.S. southwest, they too are disgusted with the regulations placed upon them by what is known here as u.s. department of agriculture. The natural predators of insects are poisoned and dead so that there is no reversal of the blasphemy done against creation by the Cabal through their tentacle fronts that they hide behind, unseen, abstracted, but always footprints leading to their door on the mount where Judas betrayed messiah to the priestcraft. Then Judas hung himself in the potters field at the base of that mountain, where the UN minions coordinate the deal they made with lucy in Babylon. They have literally sold their souls and already have their fate demonstrated to them by Judas their guide! My local group will be working on some exotic technologies for this problem and equivalent value should be $200 per unit with accessories optional. --- Judith Thamm wrote: > Dear Michael, > Yes I have 2 of Dr Batmanghelidj's books. > > There is much concern that the next major world crisis will be over > 'potable water' ie water that is fit for drinking. The farmers pour > deadly sprays on their crops - 80% of which evaporates to join clouds > in the sky. The rain brings down the sprays that the farmers poured > on their crops. Our rivers here in Australia are chemical sewers - > the water for South Australia - where I live - is piped from the > River > Murray after being treated by 78 chemicals and filtration - and I > drink it only out of politeness - ie when I have a hot drink while > out > visiting. > > The Murray is over 2200 km in length [someone swam the distance > recently over a 3 month period - that's how I know]. It irrigates > cotton, rice, orchards, vines, dairy farms etc etc imagine the return > run off!! And there are all the septic tanks [toilet systems that > have a solid waste catching tank that supposedly turns waste into > liquid that seeps into the underground water table]... that also add > to the pollution > > Good posting. > Judith. > > ...> Dr F > > Batmanghelidj states that the human body requires between 3 and 6 > pints > > of good, high-energy water on a daily basis to maintain optimum > > function and that all pain signals within the body are a result of > > internal water shortage. He continues to describe how obesity, > excess > > body weight, asthma, allergies, hiatus hernia, diabetes, dyspepsia, > > rheumatoid arthritis, backache, headaches, stress, depression, > > hypertension and high cholesterol can all be treated by increased > water > > intake. Most of us are drinking tea, coffee and alcohol which are > all > > diuretics that actively dehydrate the body. We are also drinking > > minerals and sodas instead of the pure, unadulterated water which > our > > body desperately needs for optimum function. The above book > contains > > much new, highly detailed information on water regulation and > histamine > > activity within the body. This model is in sharp contrast to > > mainstream, established medical understanding. Many therapists > using > > homeopathy and other types of vibrational medicine experience > faster > > and better results with their fully hydrated patients. It is well > known > > that it is very difficult to vibrate a dry body. > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
Roger wrote: > Frank: What are the Solubility Products of silver carbonate and silver > hydroxide? silver carbonate (Ag2CO3) is 8.46 x exp(-12) ( from CRC handbook) silver oxide (Ag2O) is not in the CRC handbook, but we calculate as follows: The solubility of silver oxide is 0.0013 g/100 ml of water. It is a brown-black cubic crystal of density 7.14 g/cc. and it decomposes at 300 deg. C. the molar solubility is 5.6 x exp(-5) moles/L, which would make the solubility product constant, at 20 deg. C, = 7.02 x exp(-13) frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Fw: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Dear Marsha You wrote: > > More Power Boys, listen up! You are Boing! Go off list with each > > other...please? > > > Marsha, who once left the list because of your incomprehensible "free > speech", and may do so again... ST: Please do us a favour and p... off. Regards Stuart -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS and more
> < been the technically oriented people who have taken the newbies by the hand > and answered their questions despite the fact that such answers could be > found easily in the archives. In addition, some of us have gone the extra > mile to use the experience of lurkers as well as active participants by > soliciting their comments. I, myself, have spent quite a few hours putting > together, what I believe to be, the first List survey which should be quite > Roger I agree with you. I have seen alot of help from the techies for the newbies, including me . I haven't seen a newbie yet that hasn't been helped asking the same old repetative questions. (you're a patient bunch :) Do I understand all this high tech rhetoric... no. Do I read it... rarely, mostly just breeze over it. No complaints here, as its truely part of the list discussion.For now, whether clear or yellow, CS is CS to me... but someday that might change. Through all this info, someone might stumble on a discovery that could benefit us all. For the past year I've seen people come and go from the list for whatever reason. For those that "threaten" to leave... Really, isn't that cutting off your nose to spite your face? Who's losing? Heres a toast to you fellows who continue to help the newbies and "tech it out" for the betterment of all... \~/ (ice tinkling in glass :) My best, Terri L.
Re: CS-silver in olden times
It's not that low. In cold water it is .2 ppm and in warm water higher. (CRC Handbook specified as .2 grams per 100 cc). Thus a gallon of cold milk could dissolve about .8 mg of silver if the sulfur is available. A family that goes through 3 gallons of milk a week could would dissolve about 2.5 mg of silver sulfide a week, and a 1 oz silver coin would lose 10% of its thickness in about 1000 weeks or 20 years. Thus coins that are done this way for a generation or two could become noticably thinner. The effect would be higher in a rain barrel since there is more water and it is warmer. Marshall rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/01 11:51:08 AM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: > > << The only reaction I know of that silver will enter into easily is with > sulfur. Both silver sulfide and silver sulfate are slightly soluable, > so I suspect that the silver reacts with the sulfur, tarnishes, and the > tarnish slowly dissolves. If the milk was kept in a metal container, > then the reaction could have been galvanic, and actually made CS right > in the milk I suppose. > > Marshall > >> > > Marshall: I think you'll find that the absolute value of the free energy of > formation of silver sulfide is greater than that of silver sulfate which > means that once silver sulfide forms, it stays as silver sulfide. In > addition, I believe the Solubility Product of silver sulfide is incredibly > low, smaller than 10 ^ -20. Roger > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Tyndall yet clear
In a message dated 3/23/01 2:06:03 PM EST, bober...@swbell.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Tyndall yet clear Date: 3/23/01 2:06:03 PM EST From: bober...@swbell.net (Robert L. Berger) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com The T.E. can be related to concentration to the first power, and particle size to the third power. >> Bob: Could you explain how you arrived at this observation? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Apology
> PS> Yes, you'll get two copies of this message, because I sent it to > both you and the list, just to make sure you'd see it in a timely > fashion! And just *how* I managed to send two copies of that message I do not know! *My* apologies, folks! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re[2]: CS>zappers
Hello Del, Friday, March 23, 2001, 10:43:23 AM, you wrote: DoEC> I have owned a Beck's Silver pulser from Sota Instruments for a couple of DoEC> years. The concept is simple electrolution of all the bloodstream organisms DoEC> at 100 milliamps in vivo, plus you make CS with it. Parts would cost about DoEC> 40 bucks if you were into electronics. Plans are freely given (not by DoEC> Sota...they are into selling their units at about $200). Some say the DoEC> Jaguar one is better and cheaper. Many say that the Clarkes does not do DoEC> quite what it is supposed to even in the organism specific sense where with DoEC> the Becks or Jaguar there,s no need to know the germ(s) name(s). DoEC> Interestingly, prety much right across the board, thereb seems to be a DoEC> pretty constant recommendation to use CS as well.Del DoEC> - Original Message - DoEC> From: "julie m" DoEC> To: DoEC> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:28 AM Subject: Re: CS>>zappers >> i intend to buy a machine of this kind for health DoEC> purposes/experimentation. >> i can't decide which type of machine would be best for overall health; for >> the money. there is the clark zapper, the beck/ rife machine, the DoEC> enhancer, >> etc. all the web sites say their machine is the best and each one i look >> into sounds better than the last. anyone have an opinion about which would >> best to try? i know nothing about electricity, except to respect it, so i >> would be most comfortable purchasing something already constructed. i >> respect the great wealth of experience and knowledge on this list. >> >> thanks in advance, >> julie m. >> >> >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> Actually, it is NOT 100 milliamps, but 100 MICROAMPS. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com
Re: CS>Apology
> I keep seeing all of these posts with my name in them. I feel really > bad about this. I never meant to start trouble or perpetuate it. If > I don't understand a post, I just delete it or save it to peruse > later. Please don't continue to blast each other because of something > I said. Beverle, Be at peace, dear lady! There's no fault in your actions here. You've merely stumbled into the midst of some uncomfortable changes and our trying to adjust to them. We've sometimes gone for weeks at a time without problems and enjoyed a great deal of closeness and consideration amongst our regular contributors. It's my aim for us to see that again. I hope you'll stick with us until that happens. Be well, Mike Devour PS> Yes, you'll get two copies of this message, because I sent it to both you and the list, just to make sure you'd see it in a timely fashion! [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Apology
> I keep seeing all of these posts with my name in them. I feel really > bad about this. I never meant to start trouble or perpetuate it. If > I don't understand a post, I just delete it or save it to peruse > later. Please don't continue to blast each other because of something > I said. Beverle, Be at peace, dear lady! There's no fault in your actions here. You've merely stumbled into the midst of some uncomfortable changes and our trying to adjust to them. We've sometimes gone for weeks at a time without problems and enjoyed a great deal of closeness and consideration amongst our regular contributors. It's my aim for us to see that again. I hope you'll stick with us until that happens. Be well, Mike Devour PS> Yes, you'll get two copies of this message, because I sent it to both you and the list, just to make sure you'd see it in a timely fashion! [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>LIST OWNER COMMENTS, chapter 3...
Marsha wrote: > OK, you win, I`m outta here. I hope someone will benefit from CS, in > spite of you. And so Marsha and Roger, and the rest of us, reap the harvest of trying to play List Cop. Marsha is welcome to consider the tech stuff boring and the boorish behavior of the "mo power guys" distasteful! Heck, if I didn't care about it as much as I do, I would too! Where she stepped out of line is by telling them to go away... I'll get back to this point in a moment. Roger, forging ahead in the cause of free speech and Liberty for *ALL!* ... ahem, sorry ... registered his criticism of Marsha and accused her of various crimes against the community, being admittedly a bit up in the dander over her attempt to limit discussion ... When you've got two folks who are both essentially correct, and each arguing about different things, or different aspects of the same problem ... well, feelings get hurt. Now let me draw our two friends' reactions together into one context, perhaps the only one that really matters here... The list is a near perfect example of a benign dictatorship. I can shut it down today and not one of you would have a legal or civil basis to act against me. I can invite anyone in, or kick them out, deciding for myself what standards of behavior will influence that choice, if any! I can be as just or as arbitrary as I want to. The only recourse you have is to try to persuade me to change things, or the option Marsha is exercising, that of voting with your feet. Each of you is here as my guest. As your host, I need to do what I can to make you comfortable, the company good, and topics of discussion of value. If I deliver that value -- good information, camaraderie, a pleasant environment -- the list will survive and even prosper. I have been negligent. I have let the technical discussions dominate and failed to intervene when they became too surly. Ivan notes, correctly, there has been little other discussion to "dilute" the effect of the tech-talk since we established the silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com . I ought to have been reminding lurking newcomers to ask for help and everyone to continue to use the list as before, with the proviso that OT discussions now have a place to *go* when they need to be taken off of the silver-list. So, Marsha, I need to apologize to you for recent conditions on the list, and say again that I consider you a valuable member. I respect your right to leave at any time that we don't serve your needs, or that the aggravation outweighs the benefits. Only I wish you wouldn't. Roger, Marsha has no more right than you do to police what others say on the list. If others were unexpectedly reluctant to step forward it's probably because they recognized that it's not their place to do so. Or, given the rawness of the list lately, maybe they'd just given up caring one way or another. I hope not. But it wasn't your job to correct her. Such complaints as yours and hers should be brought to *me*. I'm the only real List Cop. And I apologize to *you* for permitting the conditions that triggered Marsha's outburst. I will encourage the technical discussions to continue, as long as *all* the participants meet their obligation to treat others with respect and leave competition and hostility at the door. Let me also remind everyone to use the list to get what you need, whether basic information, a bit of reassurance, or help with a specific problem. Contribute what you can by sharing your results and answering the questions that you have experience with. Not all the discussion will be on-topic, but we can keep the list from being overwhelmed by it if everyone would go to ... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silver-off-topic-list ... and set up a yahoo username and password if you don't have one already, then subscribe to the silver-off-topic-list. Now, if you *don't* want to see the off-topic discussions come into your regular mailbox, click on Delivery Options on the list home page and select "no e-mail." Then, anytime you want to follow an OT thread to that list, you'll be able to browse it at the web site, post your comments if you want to, and otherwise ignore the whole thing without any further burden on your time. If we use them right, the silver-list will stay better focused on the main topic, while the silver-off-topic-list will satisfy our curiosity about other things. The net effect should be *more* needs being met more completely, while unburdening the delete key fingers of the folks on the silver-list. Except for tech talk, people have been afraid to bring up anything on the silver-list lately for fear of being off-topic. Amazingly, after an initial flurry of activity, the OT list has been fairly quiet as well. This tells me we're not making the best use of our resources. Please help me to change that for the better. In the end, please remember that you are my guest here. If you hurt or insult another member, you hurt or i
Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
In a message dated 3/23/01 12:11:15 PM EST, a...@cybermesa.com writes: << Subj: RE: CS>Solubility of silver in water. Date: 3/23/01 12:11:15 PM EST From: a...@cybermesa.com (James Osbourne, Holmes) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Roger, That http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm link is a great resource: thanks much. Being from the "Official and Accredited" sources, it will have great weight with skeptics. JOH >> JOH: Thank Ivan (our main man) not me. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ!
How many hours have the rest of us lurkers contributed to this list compared to the More Power Boys? And like it says below, these people take the time to answer ANY question us newbies have when we could look it up in the archives. If I had to make a choice between the "techies" and the not so well informed (me included), I pick the techies because without them , we would still be picking our noses and scratching our butts. :-) Dick Go to www.nite.org and become enlighten about INCOME TAXES. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! > In a message dated 3/23/01 9:28:39 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: > > << Subj: Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! > Date: 3/23/01 9:28:39 AM EST > From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > I think the tech stuff is at about the same level as it has been for > some months, it is just not as diluted as before. > These discussions do get pretty robust at times and need a decorum > check, but it is amazing how this makes one redouble one's efforts in > research and so on...as long as one can admit to being mistaken, or at > least to not being as sure of one's ground... > I have found by experience that to speak in absolutes makes that bitter > pill very large and the throat very dry, when one eventually has to > swallow it. > > I have been ignoring Marsha's goading of the techies, but most certainly > do appreciate her constant newby help, (if only she would use two > batteries instead of three). > > Mike, perhaps you should amend the introduction message to new members, > inviting them to just ignore the technical discussions, and not to be > intimidated by them, and to reassure them that we all welcome their > questions no matter how basic. > > Thanks for your continuing efforts, and best of luck balancing on that > fence. > > Ivan. > >> > > Ivan: I would like to expand on Ivan's comments. More often than not, it has > been the technically oriented people who have taken the newbies by the hand > and answered their questions despite the fact that such answers could be > found easily in the archives. In addition, some of us have gone the extra > mile to use the experience of lurkers as well as active participants by > soliciting their comments. I, myself, have spent quite a few hours putting > together, what I believe to be, the first List survey which should be quite > helpful to newbies and experienced CS users alike. However, I have to tell > you that it gets my dander up when ANYBODY attempts to limit the CS dialog on > this list which has been so successful in spreading the CS (scientific and > anecdotal) word. Let's work together to keep it that way by maintaining the > highest level of tolerance for each others opinions. Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS-silver in olden times
In a message dated 3/23/01 11:51:08 AM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << The only reaction I know of that silver will enter into easily is with sulfur. Both silver sulfide and silver sulfate are slightly soluable, so I suspect that the silver reacts with the sulfur, tarnishes, and the tarnish slowly dissolves. If the milk was kept in a metal container, then the reaction could have been galvanic, and actually made CS right in the milk I suppose. Marshall >> Marshall: I think you'll find that the absolute value of the free energy of formation of silver sulfide is greater than that of silver sulfate which means that once silver sulfide forms, it stays as silver sulfide. In addition, I believe the Solubility Product of silver sulfide is incredibly low, smaller than 10 ^ -20. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS-silver in olden times
I can remember years ago when I was a kid I used to get styes quite often. I had a cousin who told me to rub a silver dime till it was hot and then place it on my stye. I would do this a few times and my styes always went away. Don't know if it was the heat or the silver. Joanne - Original Message - From: itssu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Re: CS-silver in olden times Hi Old Bob: My Grandmother always kept a silver dollar in the milk, and one in the rain barrel out by the barn. Grandma was born in 1897, so she might have been considered "old Americana." Over the years, those silver dollars got pretty thin and worn looking. I have no idea what chemical reaction might have taken place with these old silver dollars. The milk always tasted fresh, with or without refrigeration (the milk came straight from the cow in those early days, and not the grocery store). One of the reasons that brought me to this board to begin with, was to try to figure out what Grandma knew about silver and keeping milk fresh, along with water. To this day, we add either a silver wire (or now CS) to the milk from the store. We rarely use milk and this prolongs its shelf life significantly. As kids, when we would get a skinned knee or elbow, grandma would tape a silver dollar to the knee or elbow. Don't know if it actually did any good, or made us feel better, but things healed quickly, and I don't ever remember getting an infection. suzy Hear Ye Hear Ye; > > Go back to your early Americana. The pioneers when they crossed this great > land placed a silver coin in the water and milk jugs to keep them fresh, and > it worked. > > When I performed the silver test in the tropics, I mentioned that I stirred > one batch of water with the silver wire and the 1000/1 > petri dish was clean while the 100/1 started to show colonies. At that time > Dr John Warren our lab head said "all you have to do is put a few dimes (at > that time they were silver) in a jug shack it up and let it sit overnight to > be safe." Something D-mn well happened. > > What has happened to the knowledge of the ancients > > "OLD BOB"
Re: CS and Cats
I have 5 cats.. 3 will drink whatevcer is there..with or without CS One prefers straight CS and will go to the container it is being made in and help herself and 1 will only dirnk the water straight out of the facuet while sitting in the sink. Fortunately we have good water. Joanne - Original Message - From: "d.linen" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:58 PM Subject: Re: CS and Cats > > > Kehoe wrote: > > > > I'm not really sure how she can tell. I did not see her go to the bowl > > originally, but she made such a commotion I figured it out real quick. She > > has me very well trained :o). > > They sure are good at that, aren't they? ;) > > Diane > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Apology
I keep seeing all of these posts with my name in them. I feel really bad about this. I never meant to start trouble or perpetuate it. If I don't understand a post, I just delete it or save it to peruse later. Please don't continue to blast each other because of something I said. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
In a message dated 3/23/01 11:32:05 AM EST, fr...@strsoft.com writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Re: saturated solution Date: 3/23/01 11:32:05 AM EST From: fr...@strsoft.com (Frank Key) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Ivan wrote: > There can only one anion formed at the cathode, given we only have water > and silver, and that is OH-. This statement seems to ignore dissolved CO2 in the water. Besides hydroxide, the other anion formed is carbonate. Without the CO2 present, pure water will become saturated with silver ions at 13.3 ppm at room temperature. To make higher ppm requires additional anions in the form of the carbonates. frank key >> Frank: What are the Solubility Products of silver carbonate and silver hydroxide? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: CS>Annoying more power boys
Jason..what do you do stay up all night reading and answering e-mailt:-) Joanne "Personally, I have over twelve email addresses, one of which accumulates over two hundred messages each daily. "
Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
In a message dated 3/23/01 11:16:13 AM EST, delc...@pacificcoast.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water. Date: 3/23/01 11:16:13 AM EST From: delc...@pacificcoast.net (Del or Elmay Crow) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Sorry, but you guys are confusing me. The thing you are dealing with is a change of energy levels.The silver is still silver. There is supposedly no metal exchanged between the annode and cathode. All you could expect is that the water is changed to accomodate this. Bubbles of hydrogen at one side, oxegen at the other plus the water electron-cloud structure change to possibly up to 105degrees. None of us can measure this stuff, let alone imagine it!!! >> Del: I think what you have to keep in mind is when ~27 volts are applied across silver electrodes in pure water, certain oxidation/reduction reactions are possible. Let's look at the anode where oxidation takes place. At the voltage stated, these are the reactions that MAY take place, (1) Ag ---> [Ag+] + 1e (2) 1/2O2(g) + 2[H+] -> H2O + 1e (3) 2[OH-] -> H2O + 1/2O2 + 1e And for the cathode, the following reactions MAY take place, (4) [Ag+] + 1e ---> Ag (5) [H+] + 1e > 1/2H2(g) (6) H2O + 1e > 1/2O2(g) + 2[H+] Now, the way I remember how to proceed, and it has been a very long time since I did these calculations, is to examine the standard electrode potential for each reaction. The reaction that has the smallest absolute electrode potential will proceed under STANDARD conditions, that is. In this case, however, water is essentially the electrolyte (at least in the beginning of CS electrolysis) so we can use the standard electrode potential directly to determine which of the "water reactions" will proceed, and since water is in abundance, that reaction will set the maximum potential at that electrode. Now, here's where silver enters the picture: If silver can be oxidized at the anode at the maximum electrode potential (dictated by one of the water reactions), silver ions will be produced. Similarly at the cathode, if silver ions can be reduced at the maximum electrode potential (dictated by one of the water reactions) then metallic silver will be produced (from the silver ions generated at the anode). Perhaps, Ivan (or anyone else versed in electrochemistry) can fill in the blanks with regard to which of these water reactions will prevail at the anode and cathode, and/or whether or not I made any boo boos. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Marsha, please stay - I will get so lonely! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Bye bye, Marsha! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ!
CS Gang, I also read, learn, enjoy and benefit from the open discussions. Keep them coming. Stay well all, Tom B. - Original Message - From: Stephen Quinto To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: RE: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! > Ivan, Roger, Mike etal, > The technical discussions suggest acute intellectual curiosity, and, > like others here, I confess to having learned a great deal from them. The > ultimate beneficiaries of such discourse may well be those who participate > [orlurk] on this list. I'm sure a majority of your audience appreciates the > dialogues. Regards > Stephen > > > -Original Message- > From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:20 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! > > > I think the tech stuff is at about the same level as it has been for > some months, it is just not as diluted as before. > These discussions do get pretty robust at times and need a decorum > check, but it is amazing how this makes one redouble one's efforts in > research and so on...as long as one can admit to being mistaken, or at > least to not being as sure of one's ground... > I have found by experience that to speak in absolutes makes that bitter > pill very large and the throat very dry, when one eventually has to > swallow it. > > I have been ignoring Marsha's goading of the techies, but most certainly > do appreciate her constant newby help, (if only she would use two > batteries instead of three). > > Mike, perhaps you should amend the introduction message to new members, > inviting them to just ignore the technical discussions, and not to be > intimidated by them, and to reassure them that we all welcome their > questions no matter how basic. > > Thanks for your continuing efforts, and best of luck balancing on that > fence. > > Ivan. > > - Original Message - > From: "M. G. Devour" > To: > Sent: Friday, 23 March 2001 01:18 > Subject: Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! > > > > Hi all, > > > > It's always hard to strike a balance with my remarks. When one thing > > has gotten out of hand and I take a swat at it, other things often > rise > > up to take its place. > > > > Such it is with Marsha and Roger nipping at each other. (Hi folks!) > > > > The "mo power" folks have sorta filled the void left when much of the > > OT chatter got shunted to the silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com > ... > > The particular set of conflicts took on too much weight, what with > > nothing like Jason's testimonial and Beverle's questions to focus us. > > > > Now, I hope we'll see the casual users come back out of hiding as we > > rein in the tech guys a little -- without hammering the technical > > discussions out of existence either! > > > > I don't see the need for a single purpose list, so I don't agree with > > Marsha that the other guys should disappear. When they start hammering > > each other, yes, but not when they're behaving themselves. > > > > But what happens if nobody says anything about the simple stuff and > our > > willingness to help new people? What just happened is what happens! > > All the helpful folks disappear and newcomers see only the technical > > discussions (however well or il-behaved they may be at the moment). > > > > It's usually been my job to pipe up once in a while to remind > everyone, > > and inform the lurkers, that we have a dual role to fill here and that > > their basic questions are essential if we're going to be able to help > > them get what they need. > > > > If I'm too busy to do that, which I have been, I think it's time to > ask > > some of you to step into the cheerleader role... Jason? Ivan? Marsha? > > Any of a number of you are well suited to the task. > > > > If there are no basic threads being worked, and it's been a day or two > > of nothing but tech stuff, it's time to chime in with an anecdote or > > comment and an invitation for questions. > > > > No need to play list-cop or criticize anything else that's going on > > (talk to me instead!). The tech guys'll keep doing their job if we > > just let'em. Nope, just a reminder for any new folks that stumble in > to > > start askin' questions if they want to get some help. > > > > Is it starting to make some sense folks? > > > > My availability will rise and fall with my obligations here. I hope > > that I can get some of you seasoned veterans to help keep us in > > balance. Share the duties so nobody's under pressure, but take some > > responsibility for keeping the equilibrium going. > > > > I welcome your feedback, folks. > > > > Be well, > > > > Mike D. > > da owner... > > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest sen
RE: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ!
Ivan, Roger, Mike etal, The technical discussions suggest acute intellectual curiosity, and, like others here, I confess to having learned a great deal from them. The ultimate beneficiaries of such discourse may well be those who participate [orlurk] on this list. I'm sure a majority of your audience appreciates the dialogues. Regards Stephen -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! I think the tech stuff is at about the same level as it has been for some months, it is just not as diluted as before. These discussions do get pretty robust at times and need a decorum check, but it is amazing how this makes one redouble one's efforts in research and so on...as long as one can admit to being mistaken, or at least to not being as sure of one's ground... I have found by experience that to speak in absolutes makes that bitter pill very large and the throat very dry, when one eventually has to swallow it. I have been ignoring Marsha's goading of the techies, but most certainly do appreciate her constant newby help, (if only she would use two batteries instead of three). Mike, perhaps you should amend the introduction message to new members, inviting them to just ignore the technical discussions, and not to be intimidated by them, and to reassure them that we all welcome their questions no matter how basic. Thanks for your continuing efforts, and best of luck balancing on that fence. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Friday, 23 March 2001 01:18 Subject: Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! > Hi all, > > It's always hard to strike a balance with my remarks. When one thing > has gotten out of hand and I take a swat at it, other things often rise > up to take its place. > > Such it is with Marsha and Roger nipping at each other. (Hi folks!) > > The "mo power" folks have sorta filled the void left when much of the > OT chatter got shunted to the silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com ... > The particular set of conflicts took on too much weight, what with > nothing like Jason's testimonial and Beverle's questions to focus us. > > Now, I hope we'll see the casual users come back out of hiding as we > rein in the tech guys a little -- without hammering the technical > discussions out of existence either! > > I don't see the need for a single purpose list, so I don't agree with > Marsha that the other guys should disappear. When they start hammering > each other, yes, but not when they're behaving themselves. > > But what happens if nobody says anything about the simple stuff and our > willingness to help new people? What just happened is what happens! > All the helpful folks disappear and newcomers see only the technical > discussions (however well or il-behaved they may be at the moment). > > It's usually been my job to pipe up once in a while to remind everyone, > and inform the lurkers, that we have a dual role to fill here and that > their basic questions are essential if we're going to be able to help > them get what they need. > > If I'm too busy to do that, which I have been, I think it's time to ask > some of you to step into the cheerleader role... Jason? Ivan? Marsha? > Any of a number of you are well suited to the task. > > If there are no basic threads being worked, and it's been a day or two > of nothing but tech stuff, it's time to chime in with an anecdote or > comment and an invitation for questions. > > No need to play list-cop or criticize anything else that's going on > (talk to me instead!). The tech guys'll keep doing their job if we > just let'em. Nope, just a reminder for any new folks that stumble in to > start askin' questions if they want to get some help. > > Is it starting to make some sense folks? > > My availability will rise and fall with my obligations here. I hope > that I can get some of you seasoned veterans to help keep us in > balance. Share the duties so nobody's under pressure, but take some > responsibility for keeping the equilibrium going. > > I welcome your feedback, folks. > > Be well, > > Mike D. > da owner... > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001
Re: CS>Tyndall yet clear
Petemec, Clear CS with a brigth T.E. (tyndall) most probably says large particles. The T.E. can be related to concentration to the first power, and particle size to the third power. What you do what is COLORLESS not yellow or any other color. > > My peculiar generator uses multi frequency pulsed dc,and stirring,with > current limiting. This sounds like hype to me. "Ole Bob:
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Marsha Hallett wrote: All the stuff you guys are hashing over does no good for the newbies, who > are rather bewildered by your, to us, nonsensical discussions. > If CS works when made simply, why not just let it go at that? > Oh, no, that`s impossible, for you need More Power!!! > And I`m not limiting your free speech, just asking you to take your > conversations to private email, so our computers aren`t overloaded with it. If I recall a few years ago, the process by which most made their CS, and the results were far inferior to what we are doing today. The discussions use to say that yellow was best and darker was better. Yuk. It is through scientific investigation, experimenting, and discussion that we have gotten protocols that produce excellent product for everyone. But years ago people could have said that it works so why try to improve it. Well, I am convinced that certain parties are developing pathogens that are more and more deadly and possibly somewhat immune to the effects of silver, and spreading them worldwide. An improved product might just save some lives. If we have someone who has something not responding well to anything, then they are limited to about a gallon of CS per day. But if Frank is right and the ionic silver is not effective, and the CS they are making is 99% ionic, that means that their 10 ppm CS is only 0.1 ppm active particles. If methods are developed to increase the particles to 50%, then that means they can get as much effectiveness in 2 oz as in a gallon of the 99% ionic. The difference could easily be the difference between being cured and dieing. We need to do some in vitro studies of pure ionic and pure particles and determine the actual effectiveness of each. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fwd: Dr. Jon's Special Silver FAQ's 3-19-01
That is the same question as to how CS works, and no one seems to know for sure, but there are lots of ideas. Silver DOES kill pathogens even when macro sized, NASA and airlines use a silver mesh to sterlize their water. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Frank Key" > > > > > Bacteria coming in contact with metallic silver is the mechanism that > I > > believe is at work here. > > > > > > frank key > > How does this mechanism work Frank? > > Ivan. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Tyndall yet clear
It simply means that the particles are too small to absorb light in the
visible spectrum, and the Tyndall means that you have lots of particles.
Sounds like good stuff to me.
Marshall
brpete...@msn.com.au wrote:
> Has anyone a decent explanation of how come I get a "clear",colourless
> colloidal silver which although clear{low turbitity},and colourless (not
> yellow or any other hue) exhibits a lovely bright tyndall effect when my
> laser is shone through it?
> Does this correspond to a high concentration of silver particles(ppm)with
> very small particle size?
> My peculiar generator uses multi frequency pulsed dc,and stirring,with
> current limiting.
> petemc
>
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Re: CS-silver in olden times
itssu...@aol.com wrote: > Hi Old Bob: > > My Grandmother always kept a silver dollar in the milk, and one in the > rain > barrel out by the barn. Grandma was born in 1897, so she might have > been > considered "old Americana." Over the years, those silver dollars got > pretty > thin and worn looking. > I have no idea what chemical reaction might have taken place with > these old > silver dollars. The only reaction I know of that silver will enter into easily is with sulfur. Both silver sulfide and silver sulfate are slightly soluable, so I suspect that the silver reacts with the sulfur, tarnishes, and the tarnish slowly dissolves. If the milk was kept in a metal container, then the reaction could have been galvanic, and actually made CS right in the milk I suppose. Marshall
Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ!
Ivan: Would you mind briefly outlining the benefit of the two battery method? I had thought that 30 volts brewed cleanest when one is not limiting the current. The four battery method certainly appears to burn cleaner than the three, but I really hadn't considered two ( must have missed the previous discussions ). (if only she would use two > batteries instead of three). -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
Marsha: If it wasn't for the "more power boys" - you wouldn't HAVE your precious colloidal silver. This isn't Tool Time here. The newbies coming onto the list DO get one thing from these discussions, if only one thing - and that is, that there are serious and incredibly qualified people who have been working with colloidal silver research for a long time. That's one of the FIRST things that set my mind at ease when I first joined this list. That's a good thing. When I first began my view into CS research, it's lucky the first thing I came across was Peter Lindemann's essay. My subsequent searches turned up alot of information that would have just as easily led me to say, "yea right, not a chance in the world..." On many of these websites, I half expect a line that says something like this: "Simply place two silver rods in your mouth, dunk your hands in some saline solution, and plug your two middle fingers into the wall socket. Instant Colloidal Silver! Don't forget to stick a lightbulb in your ear!" People who are not normally subject to scientific "inquiry" and debate get a chance to see that science as a human endevour ( this isn't limited to colloidal silver ) is not as absolute as science often likes to present itself as being. Growth comes from challenging ideas and clear thinking. A group setting is excellent for both of these things. There are many alt-med lists that have nowhere NEAR this kind of dynamic interaction. The basic stuff doesn't always work. "Let's keep it at that" might be an excellent personal choice for some to make. I suppose there are several different "types" of people concerning this. Some people, when whatever it is doesn't work, just throw it away and by a new one ( yet again in our case this doesn't help anybody, because you could be throwing away your life ). Some people pop it open and jury rig it with toothpicks and paperclips. Some people get a trite irritated, break it all down, redesign it, and thus make everyone's life the better. I'm a TRUE free speech advocate myself, with the following qualifiers: One respects the realm in which one enters into. One doesn't go into a Speaker's Club meeting and get upset when you find out your demand to play the violin is not met well! An vice versa, one doesn't go into a Speakers meeting and and insist that a jazz band would liven up the room. Personally, I have over twelve email addresses, one of which accumulates over two hundred messages each daily. I'm not interested in 99.9% of the subject matter on some other lists. But it's well worth that .1% that applies to what I am doing and what I am interested in. Occasionally, I'll see something which I can add to, thus possibly assist JUST ONE other human being to get where they most need to go. If one doesn't have time in a given day to scrutinize emails, one can simply mass delete messages after scanning headers with two clicks and a keystroke. If a list group starts to interefere with personal emails, or the traffic becomes too high, I simply open another hotmail account, add it to my outlook express 2000 accounts so I don't have to check the email via a web-interface. I archive a lot of data for future reference. - Original Message - From: Marsha Hallett To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:05 AM Subject: Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys > > Dear Beverle, Good for you! Occasionally, someone comes along who has > something interesting to read, so DO hang in there!! > > More Power Boys, listen up! You are Boing! Go off list with each > > other...please? > > > > Marsha: For all their (our) faults, the "More Power Boys" have never tried > to > > limit the free speech of others on this list. I suggest you exercise a > much > greater degree of tolerance so that others can feel free to explore > ANY > > aspect of CS that they find interesting. These narrow minded rants of > yours are becoming annoying. Roger > > Well, Excuse me! > Shoot, I`d rather be annoying than boring! > All the stuff you guys are hashing over does no good for the newbies, who > are rather bewildered by your, to us, nonsensical discussions. > If CS works when made simply, why not just let it go at that? > Oh, no, that`s impossible, for you need More Power!!! > And I`m not limiting your free speech, just asking you to take your > conversations to private email, so our computers aren`t overloaded with it. > I have 67 messages this morning, most of which I`ll delete pretty quickly. > Now THAT`S annoying! > Marsha, who once left the list because of your incomprehensible "free > speech", and may do so again... > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-l
RE: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
Roger, That http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm link is a great resource: thanks much. Being from the "Official and Accredited" sources, it will have great weight with skeptics. JOH -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [mailto:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:03 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water. Ivan: Recently, you mentioned that the electrolytic generation of CS requires electrical neutrality insofar that for each anion produced at one electrode, a cation is produced at the other electrode. I asked you to provide some examples of anions, but, so far at least, you haven't responded. In addition, I would characterize your reaction above as corrosion which, as I'm sure you are aware, requires electrolytic 'microcells' to form. So my question here is the same as the one I asked previously, please give us examples of anionic species to provide the electrical neutrality which you insist is essential for electrolysis to proceed. Thermal currents and diffusion will dilute the concentration near this interface, so that in order to maintain an equilibrium more silver will dissolve. http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm (well worth reading, if you are into silver ions) 'This unique physical structure, in combination with the oxygen atoms/molecules that are trapped in the crystal lattice, contribute to the enhanced solubility of the films which continue to release silver until the concentration in solution reached 66 mg/L a level that is 50 to 100 times higher than is expected from typical bulk pieces of silver metal. Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th ed., CRC Press, Cleveland, 1974, pp B-134.' This passage would seem to suggest one can expect a concentration of 0.66 - 1.32mg/L to be eventually reached in solution. Ivan: How did you arrive at these figures? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
cs>plans for zapper
Ishak go to http://www.hollynearby.com/zapper.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
Ivan wrote: > There can only one anion formed at the cathode, given we only have water > and silver, and that is OH-. This statement seems to ignore dissolved CO2 in the water. Besides hydroxide, the other anion formed is carbonate. Without the CO2 present, pure water will become saturated with silver ions at 13.3 ppm at room temperature. To make higher ppm requires additional anions in the form of the carbonates. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>zappers
I have owned a Beck's Silver pulser from Sota Instruments for a couple of years. The concept is simple electrolution of all the bloodstream organisms at 100 milliamps in vivo, plus you make CS with it. Parts would cost about 40 bucks if you were into electronics. Plans are freely given (not by Sota...they are into selling their units at about $200). Some say the Jaguar one is better and cheaper. Many say that the Clarkes does not do quite what it is supposed to even in the organism specific sense where with the Becks or Jaguar there,s no need to know the germ(s) name(s). Interestingly, prety much right across the board, thereb seems to be a pretty constant recommendation to use CS as well.Del - Original Message - From: "julie m" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:28 AM Subject: Re: CS>zappers > i intend to buy a machine of this kind for health purposes/experimentation. > i can't decide which type of machine would be best for overall health; for > the money. there is the clark zapper, the beck/ rife machine, the enhancer, > etc. all the web sites say their machine is the best and each one i look > into sounds better than the last. anyone have an opinion about which would > best to try? i know nothing about electricity, except to respect it, so i > would be most comfortable purchasing something already constructed. i > respect the great wealth of experience and knowledge on this list. > > thanks in advance, > julie m. > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>contact with silver kills bacteria
Ivan wrote: > How does this mechanism work Frank? I do not know how it works, but that it does work is demonstrable. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
Hi Ivan, Where does the electron come from, and what balances the pH of the water? JOH -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Solubility of silver in water. There is a constant, but small reaction, at the silver metal/water interface: Ag + e <> Ag+. Thermal currents and diffusion will dilute the concentration near this interface, so that in order to maintain an equilibrium more silver will dissolve. http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm (well worth reading, if you are into silver ions) 'This unique physical structure, in combination with the oxygen atoms/molecules that are trapped in the crystal lattice, contribute to the enhanced solubility of the films which continue to release silver until the concentration in solution reached 66 mg/L a level that is 50 to 100 times higher than is expected from typical bulk pieces of silver metal. Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th ed., CRC Press, Cleveland, 1974, pp B-134.' This passage would seem to suggest one can expect a concentration of 0.66 - 1.32mg/L to be eventually reached in solution. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Frank Key" To: Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2001 08:35 Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: Dr. Jon's Special Silver FAQ's 3-19-01 > Dean wrote: > > > I see. So what is it that increases the conductivity of the water > > after a few days when a silver ingot has been added? > > If you believe that silver is dissolving in water, then try a simple test; > > 1. Using a lab balance that reads to 5 places in grams, determine the weight > (mass) of a small pure silver object. > > 2. Place this object in pure DI water for a period of time (hours, days, etc). > > 3. Remove the object and again weigh it. > > This will tell you if you are dissolving silver in water. > > > If silver particles don't change the conductivity, then the silver > > must be going into the water as ionic silver. > > Since silver is not water soluble, then silver ions are not being added to the > water. The change in conductivity is probably the result of the addition of > absorbed gasses. > > To test this theory, draw some pure DI water and measure its conductivity. > Place part in an open container, and part in an evacuated container (vacuum or > filled with an inert gas such as argon). > Let both containers sit for about a few days, then measure the conductivity. > > The increased conductivity of the open container demonstrates the absorption > of gases. > > > I admit that my chem classes in college were some time ago, but I have > > been under the (probably erroneous) impression that "to dissolve" > > meant to "make ions" of whatever's being dissolved. > > Indeed, dissolving does cause ions to be added to the solution. The problem lies in the fact that silver is not water soluble. > > The only way to dissolve silver in water is to pass an electric current through > it. This forces the removal of an orbital electron from an atom of silver changing it to a silver ion which is water soluble. > > frank key --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
Sorry, but you guys are confusing me. The thing you are dealing with is a change of energy levels.The silver is still silver. There is supposedly no metal exchanged between the annode and cathode. All you could expect is that the water is changed to accomodate this. Bubbles of hydrogen at one side, oxegen at the other plus the water electron-cloud structure change to possibly up to 105degrees. None of us can measure this stuff, let alone imagine it!!! - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 6:06 AM Subject: Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water. > In a message dated 3/23/01 9:02:59 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: > > << Subj: Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water. > Date: 3/23/01 9:02:59 AM EST > From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > I guess you have read my reply by now, Roger, did it suffice? > > Electrical neutrality simply refers to the fact that for every electron > absorbed by the anode there must be one supplied by the cathode in order > to complete a circuit. >> > > Ivan: Sorry 'bout dat. However, as usual, I had an observation or two that > you should have received by now. I'll await your response. Thanks. Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>zappers
Hi, I like the blood electifier, because it is low frequency, 4 Hz. It is almost as slow as D.C. Dr. Beck, on the Granada Forum Video, tells us that this unit kills the aids vius, 95% of cancers, and parasites. The circuit includes a colloidal silver maker. Here are the plans, plus circuit diagram. http://www.sharinghealth.com/beckprotocol/buildyourown.html I always use an ic socket, when replacing a chip, or building something. If the chip is bad, or goes bad, you can easily replace it, and it saves heat damage etc. It is hard to unsolder an integated circuit. Lenny Ishak wrote: Hi, What is this zapper thing. Where can I get hold of one or schematics to build one, or urls to learn more about and acquire one. Thanks Ishak After using a zapper on and off for 5 (or so) years, I've noticed that my immune system has greatly improved. I'm not saying the zapper has done that directly, but it sure has controlled the problem that was knocking down my immune system. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
In a message dated 3/23/01 10:00:41 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: << Well, as a whole, the solution contains no more charge than it did before electrolysis, it is just that the charges have been separated into positive and negative ions. It is just like a battery, when fresh, one side is positive and one side is negative, and when consumed both sides are neutral, but the same amount of electrons and protons exist in both states. The pH of the solution is determined by the amount of H+ ions (H3O) but as hydrogen is reduced at the cathode it leaves the cell as H2 gas, but it leaves as a neutral species and so does not effect the net electrical state >> Ivan: But if some OH- is generated at the cathode why doesn't the pH rise? If the reaction, (1) [H+] + [OH-} --> H2O is consuming OH-, then where is the H+ coming from? If it's coming from the dissociation of water then the pH will rise since THAT reaction is the reverse of reaction (1). Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
That was a nice little silver essay, thanks Ivan... - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:16 AM Subject: CS>Solubility of silver in water. > There is a constant, but small reaction, at the silver metal/water > interface: > Ag + e <> Ag+. > Thermal currents and diffusion will dilute the concentration near this > interface, so that in order to maintain an equilibrium more silver will > dissolve. > > http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm > (well worth reading, if you are into silver ions) > 'This unique physical structure, in combination with the oxygen > atoms/molecules that are trapped in the crystal lattice, contribute to > the enhanced solubility of the films which continue to release silver > until the concentration in solution reached 66 mg/L a level that is 50 > to 100 times higher than is expected from typical bulk pieces of silver > metal. Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th ed., CRC Press, > Cleveland, 1974, pp B-134.' > > This passage would seem to suggest one can expect a concentration of > 0.66 - 1.32mg/L to be eventually reached in solution. > > Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>zappers
The simplest and probably the most generally effective is the Becks...Jaguar makes one similar but reportedly better. I own a Becks from Sota instruments. The schematics and parts list are free and found at www.explorepub.com/articles/beck/hiv_images apparently uses about $40 in parts and Beck is adamant he is giving the info free. I have a 1997 tape that says so, OK? I use it and figure it works as it says, electrocuting practically any bloodstream infection with about 100 ma of current. The frequency is irrelevant in this method. The thing 'pulses at about 10 or 12 per second, just fast enough that I can't count it, changing polarity (the brochure says) 4 times/second. I have no clue why they bother with changing polarity. The Royal Rife plasma frequency devices which can be used for roomfuls of people simultaneously, apparently use only about 300 to 400 dollars of 'parts' but cost thousands. Goto www.ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/healthbal/emem2.jpg for schematics. Following, it leads to the schematic for the 555 timing board,too. Goto www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/elec/cfl.htm for frequencies. Mathematically, why it works at certain specific frequencies for specific organisms, based upon the dna helixes, go to www.gewo.cz/health/charl_boehm_e.htm - Original Message - From: "Ishak" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:50 AM Subject: Re: CS>zappers > Hi, > > What is this zapper thing. Where can I get hold of one or schematics > to build one, or urls to learn more about and acquire one. > > Thanks > > Ishak > > >After using a zapper on and off for 5 (or so) years, I've noticed that > >my immune system has greatly improved. I'm not saying the zapper has > >done that directly, but it sure has controlled the problem that was > >knocking down my immune system. > > > >-- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
- Original Message - From: > Roger, > There can only one anion formed at the cathode, given we only have water > and silver, and that is OH-. > > Ivan: Then perhaps you can explain the following: Brewing a typical LVDC for > 30-45 minutes will generate a 'net' CS of 5-10 PPM and the 'solution' will be > neutral to slightly acidic. So please explain how electrical neutrality was > maintained when, > > 1) The generation of OH- would have created a basic pH and/or > 2) The complete reduction of ALL Ag+ at the cathode would have resulted in NO > ionic silver present, at situation that Frank (and probably you too) asserts > is virtually impossible. Yes. > It seems to me that the evidence is pretty strong that there is an electrical > IMBALANCE, and THAT imbalance is precisely what maintains particle > separation. What think thee Ivan? Well, as a whole, the solution contains no more charge than it did before electrolysis, it is just that the charges have been separated into positive and negative ions. It is just like a battery, when fresh, one side is positive and one side is negative, and when consumed both sides are neutral, but the same amount of electrons and protons exist in both states. The pH of the solution is determined by the amount of H+ ions (H3O) but as hydrogen is reduced at the cathode it leaves the cell as H2 gas, but it leaves as a neutral species and so does not effect the net electrical state. > > b Both silver and H2 have a similar reduction > potential, silver slightly lower. So silver ions will be reduced > preferentially to hydrogen, once they make the journey from the anode... > hydrogen will be reduced until then. But even when silver ions are there > in quantity there reduction will cause a lowering in concentration in > the immediate cathode area which will allow hydrogen to be reduced > again, untill the concentration is restored, and so on. > > > Ivan: Even allowing for prolonged contact with air, I wonder how > readily Ag+ > > will react with dissolced CO2 [CO3=] to form Ag2CO3? My guess is that > they > > don't readily react. Likewise for Ag+ & OH- forming AgOH. What sayeth > the > > literature? > > http://www.chee.iit.edu/~anderson/courses/enve501/sol11.pdf > Here is a worked example of Ag+ ions added to a sloution containing OH-, > CO3- and Cl- . > > At the concentrations of colloidal silver (10-5M) there will be no > precipitates of AgCO3 or AgOH I shouldn't think, as the concentrations > of these molecules will be very low given the neutral or acidic pH of > the solution. Both OH- and CO3- are bases. > > Ivan: Are you simply saying that in an acidic to neutral pH, the solubility > of these species is too high to cause them to precipitate? Roger Yes, the concentration of OH- and CO3(2-) will be very low and so they exist as free ions. Ivan. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ!
In a message dated 3/23/01 9:28:39 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: << Subj: Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! Date: 3/23/01 9:28:39 AM EST From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com I think the tech stuff is at about the same level as it has been for some months, it is just not as diluted as before. These discussions do get pretty robust at times and need a decorum check, but it is amazing how this makes one redouble one's efforts in research and so on...as long as one can admit to being mistaken, or at least to not being as sure of one's ground... I have found by experience that to speak in absolutes makes that bitter pill very large and the throat very dry, when one eventually has to swallow it. I have been ignoring Marsha's goading of the techies, but most certainly do appreciate her constant newby help, (if only she would use two batteries instead of three). Mike, perhaps you should amend the introduction message to new members, inviting them to just ignore the technical discussions, and not to be intimidated by them, and to reassure them that we all welcome their questions no matter how basic. Thanks for your continuing efforts, and best of luck balancing on that fence. Ivan. >> Ivan: I would like to expand on Ivan's comments. More often than not, it has been the technically oriented people who have taken the newbies by the hand and answered their questions despite the fact that such answers could be found easily in the archives. In addition, some of us have gone the extra mile to use the experience of lurkers as well as active participants by soliciting their comments. I, myself, have spent quite a few hours putting together, what I believe to be, the first List survey which should be quite helpful to newbies and experienced CS users alike. However, I have to tell you that it gets my dander up when ANYBODY attempts to limit the CS dialog on this list which has been so successful in spreading the CS (scientific and anecdotal) word. Let's work together to keep it that way by maintaining the highest level of tolerance for each others opinions. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>zappers
i intend to buy a machine of this kind for health purposes/experimentation. i can't decide which type of machine would be best for overall health; for the money. there is the clark zapper, the beck/ rife machine, the enhancer, etc. all the web sites say their machine is the best and each one i look into sounds better than the last. anyone have an opinion about which would best to try? i know nothing about electricity, except to respect it, so i would be most comfortable purchasing something already constructed. i respect the great wealth of experience and knowledge on this list. thanks in advance, julie m. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>zappers
Sounds like he used the hand holds to measure the frequencies you give out, and then used something else to stimulate the acupressure points? This is completely different treatment to zapping, the aim of which is to affect the pathogens directly. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Nick Grant" To: Sent: Friday, 23 March 2001 15:24 Subject: CS>zappers > Hi again > > Just looking for comments from those of you who have used zappers. > > I went to a doctor yesterday for treatment as I have systemic candida. He > had a machine, not unlike a zapper, in that you held copper pipes, and it > ran off a 9 volt battery. It was attached to a computer which gave him > readings, and he used accupressure/accupuncture points. > > I asked him about the zapper, since his machine was similar, and he was not > in favour of them. He said it was because the range of frequencies that it > delivers to all the accupressure points in the hands, this in turn disrupts > the immune system. Sort of overstimulates it. I hope I am explaining it > o.k. Anyway, it said it wasn't good for the immune system to be stimulated > in that way. > > What do you all think? > > Tracy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ!
I think the tech stuff is at about the same level as it has been for some months, it is just not as diluted as before. These discussions do get pretty robust at times and need a decorum check, but it is amazing how this makes one redouble one's efforts in research and so on...as long as one can admit to being mistaken, or at least to not being as sure of one's ground... I have found by experience that to speak in absolutes makes that bitter pill very large and the throat very dry, when one eventually has to swallow it. I have been ignoring Marsha's goading of the techies, but most certainly do appreciate her constant newby help, (if only she would use two batteries instead of three). Mike, perhaps you should amend the introduction message to new members, inviting them to just ignore the technical discussions, and not to be intimidated by them, and to reassure them that we all welcome their questions no matter how basic. Thanks for your continuing efforts, and best of luck balancing on that fence. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Friday, 23 March 2001 01:18 Subject: Re: CS>More list owner comments, PLEASE READ! > Hi all, > > It's always hard to strike a balance with my remarks. When one thing > has gotten out of hand and I take a swat at it, other things often rise > up to take its place. > > Such it is with Marsha and Roger nipping at each other. (Hi folks!) > > The "mo power" folks have sorta filled the void left when much of the > OT chatter got shunted to the silver-off-topic-l...@yahoogroups.com ... > The particular set of conflicts took on too much weight, what with > nothing like Jason's testimonial and Beverle's questions to focus us. > > Now, I hope we'll see the casual users come back out of hiding as we > rein in the tech guys a little -- without hammering the technical > discussions out of existence either! > > I don't see the need for a single purpose list, so I don't agree with > Marsha that the other guys should disappear. When they start hammering > each other, yes, but not when they're behaving themselves. > > But what happens if nobody says anything about the simple stuff and our > willingness to help new people? What just happened is what happens! > All the helpful folks disappear and newcomers see only the technical > discussions (however well or il-behaved they may be at the moment). > > It's usually been my job to pipe up once in a while to remind everyone, > and inform the lurkers, that we have a dual role to fill here and that > their basic questions are essential if we're going to be able to help > them get what they need. > > If I'm too busy to do that, which I have been, I think it's time to ask > some of you to step into the cheerleader role... Jason? Ivan? Marsha? > Any of a number of you are well suited to the task. > > If there are no basic threads being worked, and it's been a day or two > of nothing but tech stuff, it's time to chime in with an anecdote or > comment and an invitation for questions. > > No need to play list-cop or criticize anything else that's going on > (talk to me instead!). The tech guys'll keep doing their job if we > just let'em. Nope, just a reminder for any new folks that stumble in to > start askin' questions if they want to get some help. > > Is it starting to make some sense folks? > > My availability will rise and fall with my obligations here. I hope > that I can get some of you seasoned veterans to help keep us in > balance. Share the duties so nobody's under pressure, but take some > responsibility for keeping the equilibrium going. > > I welcome your feedback, folks. > > Be well, > > Mike D. > da owner... > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
> Oh my God, Marsha will be so offended with my reply that she may go off list > AGAIN? Ivan, Stuart, Frank are you listening? TAKE OUR DISCUSSION OFF LIST > IMMEDIATELY, AND I MEAN NOW (Boy, I sure hope this works, don't you?) > Roger OK, you win, I`m outta here. I hope someone will benefit from CS, in spite of you. Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
In a message dated 3/23/01 9:07:00 AM EST, liah...@utah-inter.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys Date: 3/23/01 9:07:00 AM EST From: liah...@utah-inter.net (Marsha Hallett) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com > Dear Beverle, Good for you! Occasionally, someone comes along who has something interesting to read, so DO hang in there!! > More Power Boys, listen up! You are Boing! Go off list with each > other...please? > > Marsha: For all their (our) faults, the "More Power Boys" have never tried to > limit the free speech of others on this list. I suggest you exercise a much > greater degree of tolerance so that others can feel free to explore ANY > aspect of CS that they find interesting. These narrow minded rants of yours are becoming annoying. Roger Well, Excuse me! Shoot, I`d rather be annoying than boring! All the stuff you guys are hashing over does no good for the newbies, who are rather bewildered by your, to us, nonsensical discussions. If CS works when made simply, why not just let it go at that? Oh, no, that`s impossible, for you need More Power!!! And I`m not limiting your free speech, just asking you to take your conversations to private email, so our computers aren`t overloaded with it. I have 67 messages this morning, most of which I`ll delete pretty quickly. Now THAT`S annoying! Marsha, who once left the list because of your incomprehensible "free speech", and may do so again... >> Oh my God, Marsha will be so offended with my reply that she may go off list AGAIN? Ivan, Stuart, Frank are you listening? TAKE OUR DISCUSSION OFF LIST IMMEDIATELY, AND I MEAN NOW (Boy, I sure hope this works, don't you?) Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
In a message dated 3/23/01 9:02:59 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water. Date: 3/23/01 9:02:59 AM EST From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com I guess you have read my reply by now, Roger, did it suffice? Electrical neutrality simply refers to the fact that for every electron absorbed by the anode there must be one supplied by the cathode in order to complete a circuit. >> Ivan: Sorry 'bout dat. However, as usual, I had an observation or two that you should have received by now. I'll await your response. Thanks. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Annoying More Power Boys
> Dear Beverle, Good for you! Occasionally, someone comes along who has something interesting to read, so DO hang in there!! > More Power Boys, listen up! You are Boing! Go off list with each > other...please? > > Marsha: For all their (our) faults, the "More Power Boys" have never tried to > limit the free speech of others on this list. I suggest you exercise a much > greater degree of tolerance so that others can feel free to explore ANY > aspect of CS that they find interesting. These narrow minded rants of yours are becoming annoying. Roger Well, Excuse me! Shoot, I`d rather be annoying than boring! All the stuff you guys are hashing over does no good for the newbies, who are rather bewildered by your, to us, nonsensical discussions. If CS works when made simply, why not just let it go at that? Oh, no, that`s impossible, for you need More Power!!! And I`m not limiting your free speech, just asking you to take your conversations to private email, so our computers aren`t overloaded with it. I have 67 messages this morning, most of which I`ll delete pretty quickly. Now THAT`S annoying! Marsha, who once left the list because of your incomprehensible "free speech", and may do so again... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
In a message dated 3/23/01 8:14:37 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: << Subj: Re: CS>Re: saturated solution Date: 3/23/01 8:14:37 AM EST From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com - Original Message - From: > Ivan: You said, "Of course for every silver ion liberated at the anode there > is a corresponding anion formed at the cathode (or the reduction of a cation) > so the solution remains electrically neutral." Would you please provide some > examples of the anions formes at the cathode. Roger, There can only one anion formed at the cathode, given we only have water and silver, and that is OH-. Ivan: Then perhaps you can explain the following: Brewing a typical LVDC for 30-45 minutes will generate a 'net' CS of 5-10 PPM and the 'solution' will be neutral to slightly acidic. So please explain how electrical neutrality was maintained when, 1) The generation of OH- would have created a basic pH and/or 2) The complete reduction of ALL Ag+ at the cathode would have resulted in NO ionic silver present, at situation that Frank (and probably you too) asserts is virtually impossible. It seems to me that the evidence is pretty strong that there is an electrical IMBALANCE, and THAT imbalance is precisely what maintains particle separation. What think thee Ivan? b Both silver and H2 have a similar reduction potential, silver slightly lower. So silver ions will be reduced preferentially to hydrogen, once they make the journey from the anode... hydrogen will be reduced until then. But even when silver ions are there in quantity there reduction will cause a lowering in concentration in the immediate cathode area which will allow hydrogen to be reduced again, untill the concentration is restored, and so on. > Ivan: Even allowing for prolonged contact with air, I wonder how readily Ag+ > will react with dissolced CO2 [CO3=] to form Ag2CO3? My guess is that they > don't readily react. Likewise for Ag+ & OH- forming AgOH. What sayeth the > literature? http://www.chee.iit.edu/~anderson/courses/enve501/sol11.pdf Here is a worked example of Ag+ ions added to a sloution containing OH-, CO3- and Cl- . At the concentrations of colloidal silver (10-5M) there will be no precipitates of AgCO3 or AgOH I shouldn't think, as the concentrations of these molecules will be very low given the neutral or acidic pH of the solution. Both OH- and CO3- are bases. Ivan: Are you simply saying that in an acidic to neutral pH, the solubility of these species is too high to cause them to precipitate? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
I guess you have read my reply by now, Roger, did it suffice? Electrical neutrality simply refers to the fact that for every electron absorbed by the anode there must be one supplied by the cathode in order to complete a circuit. > This passage would seem to suggest one can expect a concentration of > 0.66 - 1.32mg/L to be eventually reached in solution. > > Ivan: How did you arrive at these figures? The preceding passage referred to the CRC manual, and stated that the 66mg/L concentration of silver ions achieved in solution by the silver oxide coating is 50 to 100 times that released by bulk silver metal into solution as stated in the manual. I have not looked up the reference myself as yet. Ivan. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, 24 March 2001 01:03 Subject: Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water. > > Ivan: Recently, you mentioned that the electrolytic generation of CS requires > electrical neutrality insofar that for each anion produced at one electrode, > a cation is produced at the other electrode. I asked you to provide some > examples of anions, but, so far at least, you haven't responded. In addition, > I would characterize your reaction above as corrosion which, as I'm sure you > are aware, requires electrolytic 'microcells' to form. So my question here is > the same as the one I asked previously, please give us examples of anionic > species to provide the electrical neutrality which you insist is essential > for electrolysis to proceed. > > Thermal currents and diffusion will dilute the concentration near this > interface, so that in order to maintain an equilibrium more silver will > dissolve. > > http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm > (well worth reading, if you are into silver ions) > 'This unique physical structure, in combination with the oxygen > atoms/molecules that are trapped in the crystal lattice, contribute to > the enhanced solubility of the films which continue to release silver > until the concentration in solution reached 66 mg/L a level that is 50 > to 100 times higher than is expected from typical bulk pieces of silver > metal. Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th ed., CRC Press, > Cleveland, 1974, pp B-134.' > > This passage would seem to suggest one can expect a concentration of > 0.66 - 1.32mg/L to be eventually reached in solution. > > Ivan: How did you arrive at these figures? > > Roger --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Chemotherapy & c/s
I have not heard of any such reaction. It would be wise to separate the doses of the two by a couple of hours. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Grant Mckenzie" To: "Silver - List" Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2001 16:30 Subject: CS>Chemotherapy & c/s > Listers: > > Very dear friend of mine is going to be taking a > regiment of Chemo!. > Does anyone know of any adverse reactions if they continue > using c/s > during the chemo?. >Tks.. Grant.. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>zappers
Hi, What is this zapper thing. Where can I get hold of one or schematics to build one, or urls to learn more about and acquire one. Thanks Ishak After using a zapper on and off for 5 (or so) years, I've noticed that my immune system has greatly improved. I'm not saying the zapper has done that directly, but it sure has controlled the problem that was knocking down my immune system. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>knowledge of the ancients????
Old Bob, you ask "What has happened to the knowledge of the ancients". Perhaps it got drowned in science. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Robert L. Berger" To: Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2001 11:00 Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: Dr. Jon's Special Silver FAQ's 3-19-01 > Hear Ye Hear Ye; > > Go back to your early Americana. The pioneers when they crossed this great > land placed a silver coin in the water and milk jugs to keep them fresh, and > it worked. > > When I performed the silver test in the tropics, I mentioned that I stirred > one batch of water with the silver wire and the 1000/1 > petri dish was clean while the 100/1 started to show colonies. At that time > Dr John Warren our lab head said "all you have to do is put a few dimes (at > that time they were silver) in a jug shack it up and let it sit overnight to > be safe." Something D-mn well happened. > > What has happened to the knowledge of the ancients > > "OLD BOB" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>DON'T MISS IT --Mon 3/ 26 at 9:00 pm
THSI IS *VERY IMPORTANT*! IF YOU CAN WATCH THIS, DON'T MISS IT, MARCH 26th at 9:00 pm Subject: Trade Secrets: A Moyers Report on PBS - March 26th at 9:00 pm In TRADE SECRETS: A MOYERS REPORT, correspondent Bill Moyers and producer Sherry Jones uncover how our health and safety have been put at risk and why powerful forces don't want the truth to be known. This investigative report, accompanied by a PBS.org Web site, is based on a massive archive of secret industry documents as shocking as the "tobacco papers." TRADE SECRETS provides everyone working on toxic chemicals and environmental health issues a tremendous education and outreach opportunity. To help maximize that opportunity, the Environmental Health Fund, the Environmental Working Group, the Center for Health, Environment and Justice and Women's Voices For the Earth are launching Coming Clean, a project aimed at cleaning up the chemical industry's contamination of our food, our bodies and our environment. Coming Clean is working with groups across the country to organize local communities. TRADE SECRETS viewing events. For more information about how you can organize a viewing event in your community, please contact Ann Long at annl...@shentel.net, Charlotte Brody at cbr...@chej.org, Bryony Schwan at s...@wildrockies.org or Monica Rohde at mro...@chej.org or visit http://www.comeclean.org Whatever you do, make sure you're watching PBS on March 26th. And make sure everyone you know is watching with you. To be forewarned is to be forearmed. Thanks to Bill Moyers, we're about to get one of our biggest and best weapons yet in the fight against a poisoned planet.
Re: CS>Fwd: Dr. Jon's Special Silver FAQ's 3-19-01
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" > Simple contact of pathogens with a macro piece of copper or silver will kill > them. I don't think any of the silver has to go into solution to be > somewhat effective in killing bacteria in milk or water. > > Marshall > Are you sure? By what mechanism? Ivan. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fwd: Dr. Jon's Special Silver FAQ's 3-19-01
- Original Message - From: "Frank Key" > > Bacteria coming in contact with metallic silver is the mechanism that I > believe is at work here. > > > frank key How does this mechanism work Frank? Ivan. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: saturated solution
- Original Message - From: > Ivan: You said, "Of course for every silver ion liberated at the anode there > is a corresponding anion formed at the cathode (or the reduction of a cation) > so the solution remains electrically neutral." Would you please provide some > examples of the anions formes at the cathode. Roger, There can only one anion formed at the cathode, given we only have water and silver, and that is OH-. Both silver and H2 have a similar reduction potential, silver slightly lower. So silver ions will be reduced preferentially to hydrogen, once they make the journey from the anode... hydrogen will be reduced until then. But even when silver ions are there in quantity there reduction will cause a lowering in concentration in the immediate cathode area which will allow hydrogen to be reduced again, untill the concentration is restored, and so on. > Ivan: Even allowing for prolonged contact with air, I wonder how readily Ag+ > will react with dissolced CO2 [CO3=] to form Ag2CO3? My guess is that they > don't readily react. Likewise for Ag+ & OH- forming AgOH. What sayeth the > literature? http://www.chee.iit.edu/~anderson/courses/enve501/sol11.pdf Here is a worked example of Ag+ ions added to a sloution containing OH-, CO3- and Cl- . At the concentrations of colloidal silver (10-5M) there will be no precipitates of AgCO3 or AgOH I shouldn't think, as the concentrations of these molecules will be very low given the neutral or acidic pH of the solution. Both OH- and CO3- are bases. > Thanks, > > Roger Cheers Ivan. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
Ivan: Recently, you mentioned that the electrolytic generation of CS requires electrical neutrality insofar that for each anion produced at one electrode, a cation is produced at the other electrode. I asked you to provide some examples of anions, but, so far at least, you haven't responded. In addition, I would characterize your reaction above as corrosion which, as I'm sure you are aware, requires electrolytic 'microcells' to form. So my question here is the same as the one I asked previously, please give us examples of anionic species to provide the electrical neutrality which you insist is essential for electrolysis to proceed. Thermal currents and diffusion will dilute the concentration near this interface, so that in order to maintain an equilibrium more silver will dissolve. http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm (well worth reading, if you are into silver ions) 'This unique physical structure, in combination with the oxygen atoms/molecules that are trapped in the crystal lattice, contribute to the enhanced solubility of the films which continue to release silver until the concentration in solution reached 66 mg/L a level that is 50 to 100 times higher than is expected from typical bulk pieces of silver metal. Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th ed., CRC Press, Cleveland, 1974, pp B-134.' This passage would seem to suggest one can expect a concentration of 0.66 - 1.32mg/L to be eventually reached in solution. Ivan: How did you arrive at these figures? Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Tyndall yet clear
I would say "yes"
I have found no truth to the statement that all LVDC CS is mostly ionic.
Some, maybe...but not all.
Ken
At 11:12 PM 3/23/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Has anyone a decent explanation of how come I get a "clear",colourless
>colloidal silver which although clear{low turbitity},and colourless (not
>yellow or any other hue) exhibits a lovely bright tyndall effect when my
>laser is shone through it?
>Does this correspond to a high concentration of silver particles(ppm)with
>very small particle size?
>My peculiar generator uses multi frequency pulsed dc,and stirring,with
>current limiting.
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Re: CS>Solubility of silver in water.
This also suggests that oxygen plays a role in the size and shape of the crystal lattice structure which might also play a role in the "color" of a colloidal particle. It is easily observable that H2O2 clears up a colored CS very quickly. Ken >http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm >(well worth reading, if you are into silver ions) >'This unique physical structure, in combination with the oxygen >atoms/molecules that are trapped in the crystal lattice, contribute to >the enhanced solubility of the films which continue to release silver >until the concentration in solution reached 66 mg/L a level that is 50 >to 100 times higher than is expected from typical bulk pieces of silver >metal. Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th ed., CRC Press, >Cleveland, 1974, pp B-134.' > >This passage would seem to suggest one can expect a concentration of >0.66 - 1.32mg/L to be eventually reached in solution. > >Ivan. > >- Original Message - >From: "Frank Key" >To: >Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2001 08:35 >Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: Dr. Jon's Special Silver FAQ's 3-19-01 > > >> Dean wrote: >> >> > I see. So what is it that increases the conductivity of the water >> > after a few days when a silver ingot has been added? >> >> If you believe that silver is dissolving in water, then try a simple >test; >> >> 1. Using a lab balance that reads to 5 places in grams, determine the >weight >> (mass) of a small pure silver object. >> >> 2. Place this object in pure DI water for a period of time (hours, >days, etc). >> >> 3. Remove the object and again weigh it. >> >> This will tell you if you are dissolving silver in water. >> >> > If silver particles don't change the conductivity, then the silver >> > must be going into the water as ionic silver. >> >> Since silver is not water soluble, then silver ions are not being >added to the >> water. The change in conductivity is probably the result of the >addition of >> absorbed gasses. >> >> To test this theory, draw some pure DI water and measure its >conductivity. >> Place part in an open container, and part in an evacuated container >(vacuum or >> filled with an inert gas such as argon). >> Let both containers sit for about a few days, then measure the >conductivity. >> >> The increased conductivity of the open container demonstrates the >absorption >> of gases. >> >> > I admit that my chem classes in college were some time ago, but I >have >> > been under the (probably erroneous) impression that "to dissolve" >> > meant to "make ions" of whatever's being dissolved. >> >> Indeed, dissolving does cause ions to be added to the solution. The >problem lies in the fact that silver is not water soluble. >> >> The only way to dissolve silver in water is to pass an electric >current through >> it. This forces the removal of an orbital electron from an atom of >silver changing it to a silver ion which is water soluble. >> >> frank key > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>That @#$%ard, Dr. Brooks, is a knave......admitted
Forgot to mention that my kitties will drink CS straight out of the beaker. I think they actually prefer it. Ken At 08:19 AM 3/22/01 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Beverle, > >I'm using an eyedropper to get the CS in my cat's mouth. He has a skin >condition that is being helped by the CS. > >Diane > >Beverle Sweitzer wrote: >> >> I would be very interested in what you did for your cat and how. I belong >> to a natural cat list and sometimes there is discussion of UTI. We use >> homeopathy but I am ignorant of cat dosage. How do you get it in the cat? >> Eye dropper, turkey baster? There is so much hollering and squabbling on >> this site - please don't think this post is a hoax. I really am interested. >> I have 3 beloved babies and want the best for them. Thanks in advance. >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Open heart surgery infection
In a message dated 3/23/01 3:21:13 AM EST, christens...@earthlink.net writes: << Subj: CS>Open heart surgery infection Date: 3/23/01 3:21:13 AM EST From: christens...@earthlink.net (Mary Christensen) Reply-to: christens...@earthlink.net (Mary Christensen) To:silver-list@eskimo.com My father in law had open heart surgery, went home for recovery and had home health care twice a week. He had an infection then got bad enough that he had to return to the hospital for a few days and then went to a nursing home close to the doctor's office for about 2 months. He has now returned home and has been there about 2 weeks. His infection is starting to come back and they're talking about the possibility of surgery for the infection. When he returned home after that 2 months I gave him 1 gal. of CS and he was drinking about 4 oz. daily. From what I am starting to hear this was probably not enough CS for him to take. Does anyone have some idea how much he should take daily and does it need to be taken once a day, twice a day, 3 times a day or what? He is also diabetic and he is a smoker. (One of those that refuses to stop) Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Gary >> Gary: From the CS survey completed a month or so ago, I recall one individual who was successful combating a particularly difficult infection (no antibiotics worked) by taking a gallon per day while suffering no side effects. My suggestion is to take the CS as often as possible because I believe that FREQUENCY may be more important than AMOUNT. However, for systemic problems, that same survey revealed that, aside from potential (~1:20 chance) digestive problems, taking large amounts of CS were not toxic to the body, and were often beneficial when lower doses were unsuccessful. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>On "Acceptable" CS Topics
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:33 PM Subject: CS>On "Acceptable" CS Topics > In a message dated 3/22/01 11:37:12 PM EST, w...@earthlink.net writes: > > << Subj: Re: CS>The List Owner speaketh: > Date: 3/22/01 11:37:12 PM EST > From: w...@earthlink.net (Erwin Hanke) > Reply-to: w...@earthlink.net > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > ?Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You find it boooring. I find it > fascinating. You find cats, > dogs, babies, or what have you fascinating, I find them boooring. > Fortunately, we both have > Delete keys. Hopefully, we will continue to use them when each of us > finds it appropriate. > Personally, I would hate to see them go off list because it is CS and in > spite of their snipping at > each other, there is experimenting going on (I think) and hopefully, we > will all be better off in the > end. > > Erwin > >> > > Erwin: While I'm thankful that at least a couple of people on this list > understand that scientific discussions/experimention often has practical > benefits, that was definitely NOT the point of my earlier comments. My point > was that attempts to limit CS discussion on this list, when the list owner > has always maintained a 100% open policy for ANY type of CS dialogue is > reprehensible. Frankly, I'm surprised that my objection and that of Stuart's > have been the only ones heard. The freedom to speak ones mind is perhaps the > most important of all the liberties that an open society enjoys. The fact > that almost no one on this list has protested at the suggestion to limit > discussion to "acceptable" CS topics, speaks volumes about how much our > values have deteriorated. And if there are any Libertarians reading this > message, I'm still waiting to here why you are not outraged at this > suggestion. If anyone is moved to respond, please contact me off list, so > that we don't impinge on the rights of list participants who want to discuss > CS topics exclusively; ALL CS TOPICS. Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Tyndall yet clear
Has anyone a decent explanation of how come I get a "clear",colourless
colloidal silver which although clear{low turbitity},and colourless (not
yellow or any other hue) exhibits a lovely bright tyndall effect when my
laser is shone through it?
Does this correspond to a high concentration of silver particles(ppm)with
very small particle size?
My peculiar generator uses multi frequency pulsed dc,and stirring,with
current limiting.
petemc
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CS>Thanks
Thank you for your replies to the "hemangionai" question. I did suggest she do her own research about CS to satisfy herself before I gave her some. Anyway, I can tell her about using it for "thrush". Thanks again. Dick Go to www.nite.org and become enlighten about INCOME TAXES. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Personal Experience Update on Nebulizer/Humidifier Use
I have one of those little Robey generators. I let it go for 20 minutes which is supposed to be 10 ppm. I split the contents of the little bottle between the Mr. and me, twice a day. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>zappers
I built the Clark zapper and I can't tell what it is doing. I measured the output, with a fresh 9 v. battery, to be about 4.50 v. The only thing I'm sure of is the little light comes on. :-) I have not been to a doctor. Go to www.nite.org and become enlighten about INCOME TAXES. - Original Message - From: "Nick Grant" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:24 PM Subject: CS>zappers > Hi again > > Just looking for comments from those of you who have used zappers. > > I went to a doctor yesterday for treatment as I have systemic candida. He > had a machine, not unlike a zapper, in that you held copper pipes, and it > ran off a 9 volt battery. It was attached to a computer which gave him > readings, and he used accupressure/accupuncture points. > > I asked him about the zapper, since his machine was similar, and he was not > in favour of them. He said it was because the range of frequencies that it > delivers to all the accupressure points in the hands, this in turn disrupts > the immune system. Sort of overstimulates it. I hope I am explaining it > o.k. Anyway, it said it wasn't good for the immune system to be stimulated > in that way. > > What do you all think? > > Tracy > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Solubility of silver in water.
There is a constant, but small reaction, at the silver metal/water interface: Ag + e <> Ag+. Thermal currents and diffusion will dilute the concentration near this interface, so that in order to maintain an equilibrium more silver will dissolve. http://www.burnsurgery.org/Betaweb/Modules/silver/section3.htm (well worth reading, if you are into silver ions) 'This unique physical structure, in combination with the oxygen atoms/molecules that are trapped in the crystal lattice, contribute to the enhanced solubility of the films which continue to release silver until the concentration in solution reached 66 mg/L a level that is 50 to 100 times higher than is expected from typical bulk pieces of silver metal. Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 55th ed., CRC Press, Cleveland, 1974, pp B-134.' This passage would seem to suggest one can expect a concentration of 0.66 - 1.32mg/L to be eventually reached in solution. Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Frank Key" To: Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2001 08:35 Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: Dr. Jon's Special Silver FAQ's 3-19-01 > Dean wrote: > > > I see. So what is it that increases the conductivity of the water > > after a few days when a silver ingot has been added? > > If you believe that silver is dissolving in water, then try a simple test; > > 1. Using a lab balance that reads to 5 places in grams, determine the weight > (mass) of a small pure silver object. > > 2. Place this object in pure DI water for a period of time (hours, days, etc). > > 3. Remove the object and again weigh it. > > This will tell you if you are dissolving silver in water. > > > If silver particles don't change the conductivity, then the silver > > must be going into the water as ionic silver. > > Since silver is not water soluble, then silver ions are not being added to the > water. The change in conductivity is probably the result of the addition of > absorbed gasses. > > To test this theory, draw some pure DI water and measure its conductivity. > Place part in an open container, and part in an evacuated container (vacuum or > filled with an inert gas such as argon). > Let both containers sit for about a few days, then measure the conductivity. > > The increased conductivity of the open container demonstrates the absorption > of gases. > > > I admit that my chem classes in college were some time ago, but I have > > been under the (probably erroneous) impression that "to dissolve" > > meant to "make ions" of whatever's being dissolved. > > Indeed, dissolving does cause ions to be added to the solution. The problem lies in the fact that silver is not water soluble. > > The only way to dissolve silver in water is to pass an electric current through > it. This forces the removal of an orbital electron from an atom of silver changing it to a silver ion which is water soluble. > > frank key --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 08/03/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS
Hi Tracy There is a clinic going under the name Rainbow in Rotorua Aiden Pargetter is the name of the owner .Maybe that is where your friends silver came from . - Original Message - Paula From: Nick Grant To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: CS > Hi there > > A friend of mine purchased some CS at a health shop here in Christchurch. > my city). She informed me today that the instructions say 3 drops twice > daily. What sort of CS would this be? I have never heard of drops, have > you? IVAN - do you know matey, since you live in the same country? I think > they call themselves Rainbow something or another. > > Enquiring minds want to know. > > Thanks guys > > Tracy > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>zappers
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:24:11 +1200, "Nick Grant" wrote: >I asked him about the zapper, since his machine was similar, and he was not >in favour of them. He said it was because the range of frequencies that it >delivers to all the accupressure points in the hands, this in turn disrupts >the immune system. Sort of overstimulates it. I hope I am explaining it >o.k. Anyway, it said it wasn't good for the immune system to be stimulated >in that way. > >What do you all think? What kind of tests did he make? I'll even accept anecdotal comments. :) After using a zapper on and off for 5 (or so) years, I've noticed that my immune system has greatly improved. I'm not saying the zapper has done that directly, but it sure has controlled the problem that was knocking down my immune system. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Open heart surgery infection
My father in law had open heart surgery, went home for recovery and had home health care twice a week. He had an infection then got bad enough that he had to return to the hospital for a few days and then went to a nursing home close to the doctor's office for about 2 months. He has now returned home and has been there about 2 weeks. His infection is starting to come back and they're talking about the possibility of surgery for the infection. When he returned home after that 2 months I gave him 1 gal. of CS and he was drinking about 4 oz. daily. From what I am starting to hear this was probably not enough CS for him to take. Does anyone have some idea how much he should take daily and does it need to be taken once a day, twice a day, 3 times a day or what? He is also diabetic and he is a smoker. (One of those that refuses to stop) Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks Gary
CS
Hi there A friend of mine purchased some CS at a health shop here in Christchurch. my city). She informed me today that the instructions say 3 drops twice daily. What sort of CS would this be? I have never heard of drops, have you? IVAN - do you know matey, since you live in the same country? I think they call themselves Rainbow something or another. Enquiring minds want to know. Thanks guys Tracy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>zappers
HI Tony I will ask him on Thursday (my next appointment), for you. Regards Tracy. - Original Message - From: Tony Moody To: Sent: Friday, 23 March 2001 18:20 Subject: Re: CS>zappers > Hi Tracy, > I would really like to know where your Dr got his information about the > Zapper overstimulating the immune system. If it is valid info I would > like to include it in my protocol. > I know that a small percentage of people can have a strong detox > reaction to the zapper. So the precaution, if the person is sensitive or > very ill, is to start with short sessions , say 1 minute and gradually > increase. Also it is so important to drink plenty of water throughout > the day to flush out waste products. > Tony > > > > Nick Grant wrote: > > > > Hi again > > > > Just looking for comments from those of you who have used zappers. > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
