Re: CSCS prosystems

[John A. Stanley]

In article f33c98bi89qtpftysl100016...@hotmail.com,
D G rc_gli...@hotmail.com wrote:
  I would like to know why some have posted Dr. Marx's CS makers as inferior 
or substandard. He clearly is knowledgeable about the subject, and if I 
recall has received recognition from one CS society; I don't recall the 
name.
  I find his website quite informative and have spoken with him on occasion 
for unrelated subjects. Please be detailed in your critique as generalized 
statements don't sit well with me.

I know nothing of the quality of design, components, and workmanship of
his units, so I can not comment on whether they are inferior or
substandard.  But, from reading his website I can understand people
having a problem with his advocating the addition of baking soda in the
distilled water. The impression I get from reading the two CS forums is
that the more well-informed view is that nothing should ever be used in
the production of CS other than high quality DW and pure silver.

Personally, I would never recommend anyone buy a CS generator that is
designed and calibrated for use with a conductive contaminant. I don't
know if Dr. Marx's units will work without baking soda, but the simple
fact that he advocates the use of it would be enough for me to steer a
potential buyer to a different unit. 

-- 
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Re: CSA Spot of Humour..

[Judith Thamm]

I have to take in CS as soon as possible as my daughter in law has had lots
of stitches.  Ruby Jade is 20 1/2  long (52 cm - hope I converted
correctly) and 8 pounds 15 ounces.  More interested in sleeping than
feeding!
Judith.




 Congratulations!!  I have a new grandson too.  Jeffrey, Nov. 5th.  6lbs 13
 oz.  21 inches.  I was there so I got all that stuff  and just to bring
 this back to topic.  CS works great for his cord and circumcision.  Also,
 give him a spray when his diapers are changedno diaper rash.



 | My older son phoned early this morning, all excited - he has a
daughter -
 | Ruby.
 |
 | I asked for more details - born at 3.30 - darkish hair - weight? height?
 are
 | they well?
 |
 | They're all right - didn't hang around for that stuff - I had to start
 work
 | at 4am!  Be at my place at 12.30 when I get home from work and I'll take
 you
 | to the hospital...
 |
 | Did he think we wouldn't be going?
 | I guess I'll find out about all 'that stuff' when we get there! ;)
 |
 | Still chuckling,
 | Judith.
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RE: CSfrom silver-list@eskimo.com

[Jdownmaine]

You're in!
Judy Down Maine

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What has happened? All of a sudden I cannot get thru to the silver-list.
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CSTown Mayor's Endorsement Of Anthrax Cure Retracted

[DotsieBoo]

A follow up to the Howey in the Hills story

From:  http://tampatrib.com/floridametronews/MGA040Y0FUC.html
Town Mayor's Endorsement Of Anthrax Cure Retracted
The Associated Press 
Published: Nov 24, 2001

HOWEY-IN-THE-HILLS - The town council is telling citizens to ignore the 
mayor's touting of a silver-laced liquid as a cure for anthrax. 
This month's town newsletter tries to set the record straight on Mayor Greg 
Bittner's view of colloidal silver. 

``As a follow-up to last month's Council Talk regarding Mayor Bittner's 
recommendation of colloidal silver as treatment for anthrax and a host of 
other ailments, the town council of Howey-in- the-Hills does not endorse or 
encourage the use of colloidal silver,'' the statement said. ``If you are 
sick, your doctor should prescribe the medication best for you.'' 

Last month, Bittner told council members that colloidal silver (an elixir of 
metallic silver particles in demineralized water) can ``offset the impact of 
anthrax.'' 

The mayor later expounded on his beliefs in the town newsletter. 

``Government officials have indicated anthrax is the terrorists' biological 
threat of choice,'' Bittner wrote. ``A simple solution of colloidal silver is 
effective in killing over 600 pathogens that can be introduced to the human 
body and doesn't harm the host.'' 

Bittner proposed buying a colloidal silver generator for the town of 956 
residents, 30 miles northwest of Orlando. 

The Food and Drug Administration blasted his promotion of silver colloidal's 
supposed healing powers. 

Officials said colloidal silver is not the cure-all supporters say it is. A 
ban on marketing it as a remedy for any disease, with a warning that it can 
turn human skin permanently blue and gray, was enacted two years ago.




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CSresend: CS/PICC line

[Connie]

This did not make it too the list yesterday.
(or I am not getting all the digests)

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From: Connie wufn...@stargate.net
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:12:50 -0500
To: silver- list silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: PIC line and CS

Forgive  me here...
is it Brooks that has done some work with IV CS?

I now have a PIC line for home ABX of osteomyelitis,
Probbably never have the courage to make use of the line for CS, but have
been thinking about it.

Could you offer guidance?

Connie


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Re: CS Heated Water

[Dottie Glenn]

Hi Ken - I've been trying this and that trying to have less aglomeration in my cs brew. I picked up a coffee cup warmer. I'll heat the dw in the micro for 2 min. then set it on the coffee cup warmer. I'm using a qt. canning jar as you suggested to me some time ago. It does take about 7 hours to complete a brew. I'm getting a little aglomeration that falls off the wires as I pull it out of the water and a little silver floating on topand the water is tinged yellow very lightly. I filter it through unbleached coffee filters. I haven't tested how warm the water is kept, but will. Also, once I've made several batches like this, I would to have it tested for ppm.
Your suggestion regarding just wiping off the wires instead of making them shiny is interesting. I'll try that.
Do you have any thoughts on this?Dottie Glenn 


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Subject: Re: CS Heated Water 
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:07:36 -0800 

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Re: CS Heated Water

[Ted Windsor]

I would not recommend using microwave for heating distilled water, I
believe it changes the character of the water and not for the better.  I
have a Polar Bear distiller, it makes from 0 to 1 ppm each time. I use a
32 oz vision ware glass pot, Sota unit with a wall adapter( plug into
stove outlet and use stove timer) it takes 40 minutes to make 3 to 5 ppm
of CS.  I never sell CS I give it away, mainly to mothers with children
who are have health problems.
Blessings
Ted

Dottie Glenn wrote:



 Hi Ken - I've been trying this and that trying to have less
 aglomeration in my cs brew.  I picked up a coffee cup warmer.  I'll
 heat the dw in the micro for 2 min. then set it on the coffee cup
 warmer.  I'm using a qt. canning jar as you suggested to me some time
 ago.  It does take about 7 hours to complete a brew.  I'm getting a
 little aglomeration that falls off the wires as I pull it out of the
 water and a little silver floating on top and the water is tinged
 yellow very lightly.  I filter it through unbleached coffee filters.
 I haven't tested how warm the water is kept, but will.  Also, once
 I've made several batches like this, I would to have it tested for
 ppm.

 Your suggestion regarding just wiping off the wires instead of making
 them shiny is interesting.  I'll try that.

 Do you have any thoughts on this?



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 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:07:36 -0800
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Re: CSCS prosystems

[D G]

  The question of whether or not baking soda is acceptable is not clear. 
Explain to me why baking soda is a contaminant. That infers it is harmful. 
I want to know specifics from a bio-physiological perspective, not just 
generalized comments.




From: j...@natel.net (John A. Stanley)
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS prosystems
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:21:21 -0600

In article f33c98bi89qtpftysl100016...@hotmail.com,
D G rc_gli...@hotmail.com wrote:
  I would like to know why some have posted Dr. Marx's CS makers as 
inferior

or substandard. He clearly is knowledgeable about the subject, and if I
recall has received recognition from one CS society; I don't recall the
name.
  I find his website quite informative and have spoken with him on 
occasion
for unrelated subjects. Please be detailed in your critique as 
generalized

statements don't sit well with me.

I know nothing of the quality of design, components, and workmanship of
his units, so I can not comment on whether they are inferior or
substandard.  But, from reading his website I can understand people
having a problem with his advocating the addition of baking soda in the
distilled water. The impression I get from reading the two CS forums is
that the more well-informed view is that nothing should ever be used in
the production of CS other than high quality DW and pure silver.

Personally, I would never recommend anyone buy a CS generator that is
designed and calibrated for use with a conductive contaminant. I don't
know if Dr. Marx's units will work without baking soda, but the simple
fact that he advocates the use of it would be enough for me to steer a
potential buyer to a different unit.

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CSCS Additives

[Terry Chamberlin]

John Stanley said:
 The impression I get from reading the two CS forums
 is that the more well-informed view is that nothing
 should ever be used in the production of CS other 
 than high quality DW and pure silver.

The one exception to this would be the addition of
pre-made CS (10 - 25% of the liquid), which shortens
the brewing time considerably without any
disadvantages.

Terry Chamberlin
Metabolic Solutions Institute
msi...@yahoo.com


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RE: CSCS prosystems

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Perhaps I may contribute in a small way.

The initial conductivity of the water determines the current flow and rate
of production.  Ultra pure water---below about 1 PPM TDS will not produce
much silver with some systems.  A small amount sodium hydrogen carbonate
solution is added to improve the conductivity. This similar to the natural
rock minerals found in water.  The baking soda per-se, if any remains in the
finished silver, will have insignificant effect on human physiology.

Perhaps a chemist can tell us the reaction of the carbonate with the silver,
if any.

I would like to see the predicted behavior of the entire system, and the
associated physiology of the reactants.  Nina, Ivan, Marshall, Bob Lee or
others...?

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: D G [mailto:rc_gli...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:39 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS prosystems

   The question of whether or not baking soda is acceptable is not clear.
Explain to me why baking soda is a contaminant. That infers it is harmful.
I want to know specifics from a bio-physiological perspective, not just
generalized comments.


From: j...@natel.net (John A. Stanley)
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCS prosystems
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:21:21 -0600

In article f33c98bi89qtpftysl100016...@hotmail.com,
D G rc_gli...@hotmail.com wrote:
   I would like to know why some have posted Dr. Marx's CS makers as
inferior
 or substandard. He clearly is knowledgeable about the subject, and if I
 recall has received recognition from one CS society; I don't recall the
 name.
   I find his website quite informative and have spoken with him on
occasion
 for unrelated subjects. Please be detailed in your critique as
generalized
 statements don't sit well with me.

I know nothing of the quality of design, components, and workmanship of
his units, so I can not comment on whether they are inferior or
substandard.  But, from reading his website I can understand people
having a problem with his advocating the addition of baking soda in the
distilled water. The impression I get from reading the two CS forums is
that the more well-informed view is that nothing should ever be used in
the production of CS other than high quality DW and pure silver.

Personally, I would never recommend anyone buy a CS generator that is
designed and calibrated for use with a conductive contaminant. I don't
know if Dr. Marx's units will work without baking soda, but the simple
fact that he advocates the use of it would be enough for me to steer a
potential buyer to a different unit.

--
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Re: CSCS prosystems

[Langsley Russell]

Hi DG.

I don't know if I am one of the people you were addressing with your post,
but I started the thread asking for information on specific models of CS Pro
generators. I was
asking specifically about the MHVAC (UNI-PHASE 16, 48,  MAX-128) systems
made by them.

All of the responses I got at the time were negative. I got only one on the
list; it came from Solar and can be found at
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m40057.html I found Solar's comments
to be quite clear and unambiguous.

As I said in my earlier post, I also got two replies off list, both of which
were even more negative and critical. I do not have permission from the
authors of the private emails to
me to post them to the list or to forward them to anyone. However both of
the people are on the list and if they wish to contact you with their
information I'm sure they will.

If you believe that this information is inaccurate the best way to
counteract it is with more accurate information based on your own
experience. Have you had any experience with any of these, MHVAC (UNI-PHASE
16, 48,  MAX-128) systems??

I was not then nor am I now specifically looking for negative input on this
company or any of their products, nor do I believe that any of the people
who responded to me had any ulterior motives or hidden agendas.

If you have had any personal experience with any of the CS Pro
MHVA(UNI-PHASE 16, 48, or MAX-128) systems,  I would like as much to hear
it now as I would have when I first posted my request for information on
people's experiences with any of these products.

BTW James-Osbourne: Holmes had very favorable comments about CS Pro's Ultra
Pro model.

LTR  }}:{(
Langsley T Russell
Bulloved Bulldogs
bullo...@nitline.com
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Re: CSalkalizing/Carey Reams/ OT?

[TJ Garland]

I just read an interesting banned book-Choose Life or Death by Carey 
Reams. His biological theory of ionization is intriguing. My uncle studied 
under him in the mid 70's. He always advocated the juice of a fresh lemon 
daily. Reams had an amazing cure rate for almost all diseases(especially 
cancer) by balancing the body chemistry. Has anyone had any experience with 
is procedures?  Thanks.






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Re: CSCS prosystems

[boberger]

Hi D.G.

If you want bio-physiological perspectives from this list, your are in the
wrong  list.

No one knows what chemical reactions take place inside of the cell, that is why
we seek to find the best DW possible.

Let me give you an example of what can happen with CS. When making CS by the
HVAC ARC method it becomes
very acidic. Buffering with sodium bicarb or potassium citrate causes the CS to
change color in the presence of sunlight.
The bicarb will go red and the potassium will go green. I have samples!

Some CS has copper ions in it so if the initial current readings with the DW are
above .6 ma in 16 oz of DW then get a different brand.

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CSBacteria in Blood

[boberger]

Hi Ya'all,

If you have not printed out CSHMS BEAGLE Wed. 14 Nov 2001 21:16-44
-0800, you should.

The work of Dr. Lindner on bacteria in the human blood stream is a major
break through in body chemistry.

The fastest and best way to get CS into the blood stream is by the
swishing a high ionic CS in the mouth for 3 to 4 minutes by the clock.
It worked well for me when I had a tooth root infection. It controlled
the pain for several weeks until I could get to the dentist.

So it just might behoove those making CS with LVDC to adjust the process
to get the weakest T.E. possible.

I know that this is not a complete answer to the ionic vs particle
question but it give a worthwhile insight.

Ole Bob



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CSCS not so great

[Damian Corrin]

I'm starting to become very pessimistic about silver colloid. I at the 
moment have got a chest infection. In the morning of coughed up some flem 
that was green. I put it with some CS into a small container and moderated. 
It has been a day now. The flem has lost some of its green and starting to 
break up. Now disappointed in how slow it is working i wondered if it 
simply was naturally breaking down so the next day i coughed up some more 
and put it into another container with tap water. With out thinking i 
realized that i should have put it in with some distilled water so that the 
chlorine or what have you would have no effect. Well its been 2 hours and 
the flem looks worse of in the tap water than it does in the cs. It has 
lost its green. As some one mentioned some time back and i agree CS has 
terrible mobility.


Now I'm pretty sure im making this stuff correctly. I am using 3 9v and 
pure wire silver wire. When made the stuff tastes very metallic. It is 
clear.  I use a bubbler to stir. I leave it for about 3 hours to brew. I 
keep it in a dark bottle our of the light.


If anyone can give me suggestions i would be grateful.

On a side note . I bought myself some 35% h2o2 and are using that against 
my candida with great effect. My skin rash is just about all clear, and my 
tongue has lost its coating. I am only up to 9 drops a day with the max 
being 25. The 35% tastes allot better than the 3% as others have mentioned 
still tastes bad but not as bad.


Ok then take care all
Damian


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CSgroucho marxx soda GERD Air Pump

[JD's Nutritelligencia Institute of N.America]

I also thought I remember Marx advocating the use of some tap water as a starter many moons ago. I was thinking of using some baking soda in my next batch just to see how the production process differs. Perhaps it will speed up production. Isit possibile that CO2 from the bicarb may influence the production?
Has anyone tried "stirring" their CS in production by using an aquarium pump to circulate the water? I had a problem with my 15kv 60milliamp HVAC unit creating too much heat at the top of the reaction vessel, with concommitant buildup of condensation on the lid (and excess stress to the grommets holding my electrode plugs). The air pump method produces a temperature homogeneous product that requires no delays in shutting down to stir.Thissystemdissipatesor prevents excessivecondensation. This definitely speeds up the process of production for my system. I am curious about the addition of bicarbonate-sodium.I know some electrode configurations I use produce an acidic solution, whereas some do not.
I believe I originally ran across the air pump stirring method after reading an email from Jon Brooks MD.Was he the guy who would always add these dancing cats or something of the sort to his email postingsand was removedfrom the list after being warned several times? Anyway, he claimed thathis extremely low voltage DC (i think it was around 6 to 8 volts if i remember correctly) produced excellent CS whenbubbled with ambient air via aquarium pump. Dr Jon Brooks had previously proclaimed his faith in an extremely high voltage system. (what a flip-flop)The extremely high voltage system (which was supposed to be in line for some type of patent for its unprecendented efficacy)utilized a million volts HVAC, which he believed at the time to be the Holy Grail of CS.Apparently the hypefailed to yield thehope.Dr Jon Brookslost faith in the million volt system and embraced the 6 or 8 volt DC withaquarium pump. Perhaps someone more technicapable can determine whether the air bubbled processproduces better performing CS (or perhaps someone already has, I have been off the list for a spell). I simply think it makes my process easier, safer, and quicker. Am I introducing toxic air pollutants into my product?(especially in conjunction with 15kvolt 60milliampsAC?) 
Has anyone experienced excellent therapeutic benefits with those suffering from GERD? I think that is what they call that gastro esophogeal reflex disorder or whatever. A recent visitor complained of this disorder with a history of over a year duration...other family members residing at the same locale also suffered. He consumed approximately 6 ounces of 10 ppm CS produced with the 15kvolt system. Although he was originally quite skeptical, he noticed instant relief. He started consuming small quantities (1-2 ounce) on his own every few days after he thought it started to show signs of returning a week later. He insisted that we make enough product to send his mother a half gallon (i overheard him tell his mom that he no longer suffered from the GERD ever since drinking this silver catalyzed water).
jd (please forgive me if i am rehashing old stories)
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Re: CSCS prosystems

[John A. Stanley]

In article f19opetxb23ffhg8wceb...@hotmail.com,
D G rc_gli...@hotmail.com wrote:
   The question of whether or not baking soda is acceptable is not clear. 
Explain to me why baking soda is a contaminant. That infers it is harmful. 
I want to know specifics from a bio-physiological perspective, not just 
generalized comments.

I don't know the bio-physiological details, but to my way of thinking,
the desired product is colloidal silver, not a blend of colloidal silver
and silver compounds. While I don't doubt that sodium bicarbonate is
preferable to sodium chloride, I imagine a reactive metal like silver in
the presence of aqueous sodium bicarbonate and an electric current will
create silver compounds of some sort. I don't know if the resulting
compounds, if any, are harmful, but it is my opinion that they would be
contaminants in that they are unwanted.

Since perfectly acceptable CS can be made with just silver and DW,
albeit more slowly, I see no reason to buy a system that requires adding
chemicals to the mix. My CS needs are met with a half gallon every few
days, so the several hours that the wishgranted.com Colloid Master with
a bubbler takes to make a half-gallon is not a problem for me. I suppose
the exception could be someone who needs to make many gallons per day
and isn't concerned about the potential creation of silver compounds.

I'll also add that Dr. Marx's commentary on the use of baking soda
strikes me as possibly inaccurate and misleading. Recent discussion on
the list indicated that baking soda reacts with the acid in the stomach
to form salt, i.e., baking soda's ash is neutral and not alkalizing to
the body. But Dr. Marx claims that the baking soda does contribute to
the adjusting of body pH; I question the accuracy of that. He also
mentions the formation of silver chloride when using salt, but he makes
no mention at all of compound formation from the use of baking soda;
that omission strikes me as possibly misleading.

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Re: CSCS not so great/(delivery?)

[Arthur Rambo]

 It seems that delivery might be the problem. The CS may not be
penetrating the mucuos- mucous being a protective reaction?
  Maybe drinking a large quantity and using a nebulizer/ air brush will
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Re: CSalkalizing/Carey Reams/ OT?

[Arthur Rambo]

At this site, the whole lemon/olive oil drink is the center piece of all
the therapies.
   
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Re: CSCS not so great/(delivery?)

[Damian Corrin]

Yeah from the impression i get cs is great. It just has a hard time getting 
to where it needs to be. In which case its not so great. I belong to 
another group. THere is a person on there quite excite about fulvic acid 
which chelates metal and makes them organic and so easily digested. Maybe 
some people might have played around with it. If so would be interested in 
hearing about it


Take care
damian

At 06:54 PM 24/11/01 -0500, you wrote:

 It seems that delivery might be the problem. The CS may not be
penetrating the mucuos- mucous being a protective reaction?
  Maybe drinking a large quantity and using a nebulizer/ air brush will
help.


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Re: CSgroucho marxx soda GERD Air Pump

[John A. Stanley]

In article f220cytjr8cu6xfpteid...@hotmail.com,
JD's Nutritelligencia Institute of N.America jdklein...@hotmail.com wrote:
Has anyone tried stirring their CS in production by using an aquarium
pump to circulate the water?

Yes. I added a bubbler to my system, and the color of the CS shifted
from a slight golden color to clear (which as I understand it means the
unit is now making smaller particles.)

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CSthanks

[Shirley Reed]

To all who responded to my questions about
alkalizing-  Thank you very much.  pj

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CSCS prosystems

[Kevin Nolan]

Langsley Russell wrote:
Hi DG. I don't know if I am one of the people you were addressing with your 
post, but I started the thread asking for information on specific models of CS 
Pro generators. I was asking specifically about the MHVAC (UNI-PHASE 16, 48,  
MAX-128) systems made by them. All of the responses I got at the time were 
negative. I got only one on the list; it came from Solar and can be found at 
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m40057.html I found Solar's comments to 
be quite clear and unambiguous. As I said in my earlier post, I also got two 
replies off list, both of which were even more negative and critical. I do not 
have permission from the authors of the private emails to me to post them to 
the list or to forward them to anyone. However both of the people are on the 
list and if they wish to contact you with their information I'm sure they will. 
If you believe that this information is inaccurate the best way to counteract 
it is with more accurate information based on your own experience. Have you had 
any experience with any of these, MHVAC (UNI-PHASE 16, 48,  MAX-128) 
systems?? I was not then nor am I now specifically looking for negative input 
on this company or any of their products, nor do I believe that any of the 
people who responded to me had any ulterior motives or hidden agendas. If you 
have had any personal experience with any of the CS Pro MHVA(UNI-PHASE 16, 48, 
or MAX-128) systems,  I would like as much to hear it now as I would have when 
I first posted my request for information on people's experiences with any of 
these products. BTW James-Osbourne: Holmes had very favorable comments about CS 
Pro's Ultra Pro model.

I was one of those with off-list negative comments. Reading the specs at the CS 
Pro site, it struck me the voltages were precisely mains AC - so I assumed they 
were doing nothing more than feeding mains AC to the silver wires in their 
unit. Solar corrected me on that - there are diodes included that results in a 
hybrid arrangement where some electrodes are pure AC, the balance being 
half-wave rectified positive and negative respectively. That method will work 
after a fashion, but I don't think is ideal. The main problem is the high 
voltages are potentially hazardous, are much above the recommended optimum for 
fine particle size, and as illustrated at their site, runs the risk of 
catastrophic meltdown if the unit is left too long unattended - there being NO 
provision for overload protection (not even a fuse)! I once recommended their 
tip of using baking soda as a starter. Not any more. Have since posted to the 
effect that, from both Roger Altman's calcs on solubility product, and Frank 
Key's page on zeta potentials, CS, whether in colloid or ionic form, is best 
kept in an acid environment. Baking soda is alkaline, and will adversely affect 
the PPM silver obtainable. I now always add citric acid (plus a small quantity 
of potassium citrate, as buffer) before brewing with LVDC. Works well for me.

regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au

Re: CSCS prosystems

[Josephine]

Glad to get some comments about those CS generator units from CS Pro. That high 
voltage information scares me. Plus they are way too expensive.
Josephine
  . The main problem is the high voltages are potentially hazardous, are much 
above the recommended optimum for fine particle size, and as illustrated at 
their site, runs the risk of catastrophic meltdown if the unit is left too long 
unattended - there being NO provision for overload protection (not even a 
fuseregards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au