Re: CSLunar CS making

[M. G. Devour]

Kevin pleads...
 Hey, is there anyone else on this list who thinks like I do - if there
 is then ... add your voice please!

Yup, I've seen the scientific method work. In fact, I've personally
experienced how hard it can be to get some scientists to follow it
rigorously! Then there's the politics and economics that come into play
long before you need consider anything so esoteric as psychic or
paranormal influence by the observer. 

That said, it still works better than mumbo-jumbo and magic in the 
hands of people without extraordinary talent.

And the crucial aspect for us to remember in this whole discussion of 
Lunar influences, etc., is that THEY REALLY DON'T MATTER MUCH! 

Just as all the other wild fluctuations in concentration and particle
size and ionic fraction in our uncontrolled processes don't render our
CS ineffective, Lunar or other esoteric influences won't either.

It's fun to contemplate all this other stuff, but don't forget that the 
simpler CS generating methods still work plenty well enough.

I also ask that folks not strain the credulity of the newcomers by 
*too* much discussion of this stuff, since it really is not essential 
to their success learning to make and/or use CS and can cause them to 
dismiss us and CS as a bunch of idiocy.

I'm a sympathetic skeptic, if there is such a thing. I *want* a lot of 
this stuff to be true, but I don't believe it until I can see proof and 
evidence of reproduceable results. 

I am, however, a lot less willing to dismiss things out of hand as I
used to be! There's just too much that can't be explained.

Be well,

Mike D.
da list owner guy

(Yeah, we should soon kill these marginal threads. Volume is pretty 
high and that drives people away, too.)

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Re: CSCS: Bettas

[M. G. Devour]

 Can one put CS in with our Beta? We've had it for 8 months!

Marsha's practice of putting CS in with water changes in her betta's 1 
gallon tank seems worthwhile. The only caution I have relates to the 
type of filter system you have in your tank...

If it's just a good sized jar with an air bubbler, some marbles or 
large gravel and a few plastic plants, then you'll need to do a partial 
water change at least weekly to get rid of the ammonia and other toxins 
that will build up from uneaten food and fish waste.

Under these circumstances, regular CS administration *probably* won't 
hurt and may help.

IF, however, you've got an under gravel filter, or an external filter 
of the type that is supposed to build up a bacterial population to act 
as a biological filter, then there's a good chance your CS will kill 
the good bacteria and, quite likely, dangerously stress your fish!

If you're using more natural substrates -- clay, sand, small gravel --
and real plants, there's a good chance they're host to a significant
bacterial colony the death of which will foul the tank, also.

You can always set up a good sized quarantine tank to treat a sick 
individual fish separately from your established tank. Just be sure 
it's big enough and that you carefully control conditions in it so the 
fish doesn't suffer too much stress.

Be well,

Mike D.

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Re: CSSimple CS brewing -- CAUTION

[M. G. Devour]

Greetings folks,

We can NEVER afford to ignore the diverse experience levels we have 
on the list when giving advice. Note the following exchange:

Terry writes:
 ... Hang two silver wires down into the jar, on opposite sides of the
 jar (mine are 9 long). Hook up 110-120 VDC to the silver wires. Let
 brew for 60 minutes. Wipe off the wires, strain the CS (I use coffee
 filters). Use one quart of this CS as starter for the next batch.

Leo replies:
 What do you mean by hooking up 110-120 VDC?

Leo is asking the questions that he should be!

110 Volts Direct Current is *plenty* high enough to be lethal depending 
on the type of power supply used and the myriad conditions that people 
might be working under. 

DON'T MESS WITH HIGH VOLTAGE unless you have the knowledge and
experience to do so safely.

In the above instructions, it is vital that you TURN OFF THE POWER 
before wiping off the wires. 

Don't let the wires touch each other while power is on. 

Don't touch the wires or any part of the apparatus while power is on.

Make certain the power supply is properly grounded and fused.

Keep children and pets away.

... etcetera!!!

Yes, the method is simple, and simple methods do work. However, if 
there's a chance that something can go wrong, it's wise to assume that 
it will and include appropriate cautions and disclaimers.

Simple battery circuits with up to 30 or 40 volts and low current 
capacity are a whole lot safer to deal with if you're a newcomer to 
working with electricity. The good news is, they also work.

Be careful out there, my friends.

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner
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CSLunar CS making

[Kevin Nolan]

Seems you can read my state of frustration pretty well, Chuck. Not sure age has 
much to do with it, but if it helps build a better profile, all being well will 
turn 50 come St Patrick's Day. You seem to be doing pretty well for someone 
with a blank mind, BTW! Despite the impression I'm obviously giving some, I do 
have an open mind, but as I'm sure you've quipped, not so open the brain falls 
out. Maybe some of the true believers could also do with some lightening up 
over this silly season, so here's some more takes on the mystery spot that 
gave me a few chuckles: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/news/971214CACRU.html, 
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/set/SCIspots.html, 
http://www.savvytraveler.com/show/features/2000/2415/spot.shtml, 
http://www.jimy.org/mspot/mspot4.html. Incidentally, does your gift for 
shutting down street lights extend to the domestic arena?

regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au


Original message(s):

There probably is, you're exemplifying the standard sceptic. I used to be as 
sure as you, but not anymore. I DO find the world to be more fun now, too... 
BTW, what is your age?
Chuck   This mind intentionally left blank.

This happens to me a lot, sometimes whole strings of street lights in sequence 
with my passing ...but it doesn't happen more times than it does and never when 
there's an intent. Murphys law cannot be tested?

CSFiltering CS

[Terry Chamberlin]

Leo asked:
If you strain your stuff with coffee filters, does
that mean you are straining out excessive CS out of
your solution?

Terry replies:
Leo, no filter that I have ever heard of can filter
out particles of anything as small as CS (unless your
CS is dark brown). I sell a water filter that will
filter out anything down to .193 microns, which
includes all bacteria and probably all viruses. Silver
particles even in low-voltage, yellow CS will be .05
microns and smaller, about 1/40th the size that my
water filter will catch, about 1/1000th the size that
a coffee filter will catch. 


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Re: CSReasons for Newbie confusion on color

[Ode Coyote]

  Most people say yellow because they don't know how to do better, even
telling you to some degree how not to make the best..and selling second
best as second best isn't exactly a sales promo.
 Pale Yellow  isn't bad it's just maybe not the best.

BUT, Making yellow CS does omit all doubt that 'something' was made and
it's really easy.

 It's a big plus for a sales person for the consumer to be happy with
something that's almost impossible to fail to make if it's not done just
right.
 On the other hand, getting strong clear and colorless CS can be tricky
sometimes. [A potential consumer/salesperson can-o-worms]
 But there's no question that a colorless CS is of a smaller overall
particle size than yellowbut even yellow has a significant percentage
of those same small particles along with the larger ones.

Color [yellow] might just be a non issue. Just how big is too big? How many
bigguns is too many?
But it does seem a bit ignorant [or dishonest] to say that second best is
best and a bit larger is smallest.
 It's a lot easier to back up a 'harmless'? ignorance than it is to set
that ignorance straight with harder to use information.
Ken

At 02:52 PM 12/28/01 -0500, you wrote: 



From http://www.elixa.com/silver/

The CS-300D produces solutions equal to or better than the finest available
on the market! We have improved the design without increasing the cost to
make premium, ultrafine yellow solutions, with particle size in the range
considered optimal (0.005 - 0.015 microns in diameter), and outperform any
system on the market, guaranteed.


From http://www.all-natural.com/cosilver.html

For more detailed information on the CS-300 Unit and how to make yellow
Colloidal Silver, the very best available today, CLICK HERE.



From http://www.angelcities.com/members/pathways/cs/making.htm

Color will usually deepen after sitting for a number of hours. A yellow
colored colloidal silver can also be made with your generator by using
distilled water without any saline solution. For best results, use no more
than eight ounces of hot water in a tall narrow glass to put as much silver
in the water as possible. Process time will be around 45 minutes because of
the reduced conductivity of the water. Keep an eye on your solution. If you
forget about it and go to the movies you will end up with a highly
concentrated brown sludge. I do not recommend ingesting high concentrations
undiluted. If you do make a brown sludge you can put a small amount in a
glass of water and stir. It should turn the water yellow, or, in higher
concentrations, amber.




From http://www.bioelectric.ws/eng/silver-instr.html

After two hours when the particles are evenly dispersed in the water the
color should be light yellow or golden yellow. Other colors indicate the
particle size is slightly larger than the ideal size which may be due to
using a low quality distilled water. If there is no color then clean the
electrodes and treat another cup of water for 25 minutes.


Now I am confused...it seems like they MOSTLY say yellow












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Re: CSCS: Bettas

[Russ Rosser]

 He is unusual in color, he has a deep blue body, with blue-edged golden
 fins!

Blue color AND blue-edged fins??  OH MY GOSH--HE HAS AGYRIA!!  :^)

--Russ



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Re: CSFiltering CS

[Josephine]

Talking about filtering CS,
I bought the unbleached coffee filters, the Melitta brand.
When I used them to filter my CS, the CS got darker yellow in color.
This happened several times so I stopped using those coffee filters as I
then figured that the filters are not really unbleached but maybe colored
brown to look unbleached and perhaps the coloring is leaching into the CS.
It was then suggested by the manufacturer of my CS generator that I could
use
white cotton handkerchiefs to filter the CS.
So now I am using cotton hankies. However, I am noticing that whenever I
rinse out the hankies and hang them to dry, I notice a rust colored stain
develops on the part that was in contact with the CS.
Now I am wondering where this rust color is originating from. The
manufacturer  has no explanation for the rust color and says that the silver
strips being used for the electrodes are 99.9 silver. Any way of testing the
electrodes for purity?
Also, I am beginning to wonder if the rust is coming from the metal covers
that I am using for the quart size mason jars that I use to make and store
the CS.
Any ideas or comments on this subject is appreciated.
Thanks,
Josephine

.

 Terry replies:
 Leo, no filter that I have ever heard of can filter
 out particles of anything as small as CS (unless your
 CS is dark brown). .


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Re: CSSimple CS brewing

[Russ Rosser]

 pour in 1 quart of Colloidal
 Silver (gotten from wherever you can

OK, you're prep'ing the the water...

 Hang two silver wires
 down into the jar, on opposite sides of the jar (mine
 are 9 long).

Depending on how you're 'hanging' them, I've found it best to mount them
firmly parallel to ensure even degradation (although the wide, 5 spacing
might obviate this concern).

 Wipe off the wires

Why?  I never do...

--Russ


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RE: CSLunar CS making

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Before thinking anything is true, consider Kurt Godel's Incompleteness
Theorem;  Many advanced mathematicians believe that his proof proves that
anything that is true is not provable, and, conversely, that systems of
axiomatic proof may be demonstrated to technically prove something that on
it's face is absurdly false.  They don't take enough into account.
Apparently, the only database adequate to really prove anything is
everything.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSLunar CS making

There probably is, you're exemplifying the standard sceptic.
I used to be as sure as you, but not anymore.
I DO find the world to be more fun now, too...
BTW, what is your age?
Chuck
This mind intentionally left blank.

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:59:16 +1100, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

Hey, is there anyone else on this list who thinks like I do - if there is
then have some balls and add your voice please!


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Re: CSFiltering CS

[Leo Regehr]

So what are the coffeee filters to strain out?
Leo

Terry Chamberlin wrote:

 Leo asked:
 If you strain your stuff with coffee filters, does
 that mean you are straining out excessive CS out of
 your solution?

 Terry replies:
 Leo, no filter that I have ever heard of can filter
 out particles of anything as small as CS (unless your
 CS is dark brown). I sell a water filter that will
 filter out anything down to .193 microns, which
 includes all bacteria and probably all viruses. Silver
 particles even in low-voltage, yellow CS will be .05
 microns and smaller, about 1/40th the size that my
 water filter will catch, about 1/1000th the size that
 a coffee filter will catch.

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Re: CSSimple CS brewing

[Josephine]

Chuck,

How does one DECANT CS?
Please explain.
I would prefer that method to using the cotton hankies.
Thanks,
Josephine
 It would be better to decant instead of filter.
 Chuck
 Duodenum: A couple wearing identical jeans.
 
 


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Re: CSLunar CS making

[CKing001]

On Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:15:24 +1100, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

Seems you can read my state of frustration pretty well, Chuck. Not sure age 
has much to do with it, but if it helps build a better profile, all being well 
will turn 50 come St Patrick's Day.

Hmmm, unexpected paydirt!
Maybe that's when the search for more meaning in the nature of things begins.  I
STARTED training in kung-fu at 45. The circumstances leading up to that in
retrospect, were esoteric indeed. The sea change in my philosophy from that
point was a tremendous alteration.
 You seem to be doing pretty well for someone with a blank mind, BTW! Despite 
 the impression I'm obviously giving some, I do have an open mind, but as I'm 
 sure you've quipped, not so open the brain falls out. 

I just leave room for OTHER possibilities, I NEVER bet the rent!
Of one thing I'm sure of... Only fools are positive.  ;^)
(if you think you've caught me in one, note the seldom-used emoticon)
I think it was Marshall that set up my reading list for this winter by
mentioning Sitchin. Got the rest of his books for Christmas. Mind boggling!

Do what you do, it'll work out.
Chuck
It's just over the next dune, I swear to God! -- Moses


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Re: CSCS started too late.

[CKing001]

I don't think it's a right/wrong thingy.
When you drag in allergies, all bets are off!
Some people die from peanut butter!

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest mucous forming oranges.
Milk yes, oranges no.
Chuck

“Give me a shot of prune juice!” “Is that for here?” “No, its to go!”

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:20:42 +1300, Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz wrote:

So what you are saying, is that when my husband eats oranges and gets
mucousy straight away, this is good?  Where is the mucus coming from?  I
would say this is more an allergic reaction, as it oranges seem to trigger
his body to produce mucus.  I know this is not the same as in the case of a
cold.  I was always taught to stay away from oranges when you got a cold.
Grapefruit is fine, but not oranges... anyone know more about this?

Not that I don't believe what you are saying just wondering who is right
and who is wrong...


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Re: CSSimple CS brewing

[CKing001]

Leo,
Some people get flaky build-up on one of the electrodes that sometimes falls off
into the CS.
There are those that strain to eliminate the grey stuff from their stored
product.
The problem with this, is that the filtering material introduces contaminates of
their own (verified by before and after PWT measurements).
This doesn't ruin the CS, but does make it impossible to verify the strength
of the brew for those who manufacture to sell.

It would be better to decant instead of filter.
Chuck
Duodenum: A couple wearing identical jeans.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:50:37 -0700, Leo Regehr leoel...@telusplanet.net wrote:

If you strain your stuff with coffee filters, does that mean you are
straining out excessive CS out of your solution?
Leo


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Re: CSSimple CS brewing

[CKing001]

Simplest thing in the world.
Don't shake the cs. Pour off the clear liquid to another container. Stop soon
enough to leave the solids in  the first container.
You'll waste a little cs, but who cares? You're making it!

Rinse the manufacturing container. Do not use detergent or soap or you'll be
sorry when you make the next batch.
Chuck
Hurricane: What Abel said to his brother when they were late for school!

On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:08:54 -0800, Josephine joseph...@poidogs.com wrote:

Chuck,

How does one DECANT CS?
Please explain.
I would prefer that method to using the cotton hankies.
Thanks,
Josephine


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CSMSM revisited

[Judith Thamm]

Dear Group,
One of the aspartame lists had folks asking for anything they could take for
relief from chronic pain - so I *daringly* suggested taking MSM - I knew
some would come down on me like a ton [tonne for the metric] of bricks.

I've had fantastic relief from using it and we all know that Brooks got us
started on it - here's the replies I got.

My response was that Dr Sandra Cabot [an Australian doctor who lectures in
America  is anti aspartame] puts her name to MSM in Oz and I didn't think
she would put her name to anything dubious.  She is known as the Liver
Doctor and promotes liver health through herbal products.

Judith.

Message: 1

Anyone with any kind of chemical injury needs to be aware of the fact that
most chemicals and especially pesticides and the solvents they are based in
use the same detox pathways as sulfur, of which MSM is a derivative.   If
your detox pathways are damaged from chemical exposure you will not be able
to tolerate MSM and can in fact worsen your condition by taking it.

Learned the hard way

Message: 2
   Thanks for that ,

I asked this question on or about August 7th this year, I never did get a
scientific answer, but when I stopped taking MSM things began to get
better. I then had problems with the methyl cellulose used in most over the
counter drugs, being aware of that and the fact that my blood brain barrier
was thoroughly screwed up by aspartame poisoning help a great deal.

I am taking 250mg of Magnesium per day, this seems to repair things a little
and I am becoming more tolerant.

I will ask this question again, and I hope that the scientifically trained
among you may provide an answer.

Many people are using MSM 'Sulphur from Methyl sulphonyl Methane!' Could
somebody, who is ultra sensitive to aspartame poisoning, be affected by
ingesting MSM?

Can anybody with a scientific background tell me if this is related to the
methanol that makes up aspartame?

I enclose 2 extracts from the www, they both state that methanol is used in
the manufacture of methane. The first quote state that 'formaldehyde' is
present in the raw material. To the layman, it seems as if there is a
correlation there somewhere!

http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/methane/methane.html

In the chemical industry, methane is a raw material for the manufacture of
methanol (CH3OH), formaldehyde (CH2O), nitromethane (CH3NO2), chloroform
(CH3Cl), carbon tetrachloride (CCl4), and some freons (compounds containing
carbon and fluorine, and perhaps chlorine and hydrogen). The reactions of
methane with chlorine and fluorine are triggered by light. When exposed to
bright visible light, mixtures of methane with chlorine or fluorine react
explosively. 

http://www.nwhealthsolutions.com/methylsulfonylmethane.htm

Since all commercial MSM is produced from DMSO, and all commercial DMSO is
produced synthetically, the origin of the DMSO is somewhat insignificant.
DMSO is produced using several starting materials: (1) Kraft black liquor, a
by-product of paper pulp mills; (2) methanol and hydrogen sulfide, or (3)
methanol and carbon disulfide. Whichever starting materials are used,
chemical reactions are required to produce DMSO. Each process has its
advantages and disadvantages, but the resulting DMSO is the same. The origin
of the DMSO is not important in the production of food grade MSM, provided
it meets certain quality standards. There are a number of DMSO plants
located throughout the world that produce an excellent quality product
suitable for food grade MSM production.

Message: 3
   Commercial MSM is not Natural as in Raw Foods

NATURAL MSM is present ONLY in RAW FOODS.  When they are
processed/heatedMSM is destroyed just as ENZYMES and Vitamin B6 are
destroyed by heat.
  Lots of fresh raw vegetables and fruits can supply adequate MSM...one
reason we see people who eat raw foods look so healthy and BE very healthy.
I have some MSM here that I did take from my dad in case I ever need it for
a
SOAK of some sort..but I DO NOT PLAN to take it by mouth.  My dad did take
it...and I feel the artificial MSM (made in a lab) and Melatonin did nothing
to help him heal or sleep better.  He died in June of 1999.
My dad was not taking MSM because he took Aspartame longterm.  He  had ONLY
one bad experience with a very concentrated dose of Aspartame from mixing a
whole pack of lemonade powder in a large tumber instead of in a 1/2 gallon
pitcher of water.  He drank that concentrated Aspartame drink...and became
gravely ill at work that day.   I do know that he experienced what I feel
was
petit mal seizures after that toxic intake...and also some floaters as he
described with his vision.
I did stop my dad from taking ANY COLOR packet of sweetener when he took
coffee at McDonald's or at Waffle House...but overall...detoxing off
Aspartame was NOT his reason for taking MSM.  He was in a wreck many years
ago...and had an injury in the sternum/rib 

Re: CSCS vs. homeopathic remedy?

[Judith Thamm]

Dear Connie,
If a colloidal silver solution of known ppm was taken and treated in a
proper homeopathic manner and the potency was increases in the usual
sequence of thumping 100 times for each dilution ... they could not give a
ppm and I agree with Chuck, 5x is very strange - it is usually 6x for low
doses then 30x and 100x .

I'll talk to my friend who is a registered homeopath. She'll tell me how
wrong I am..
Judith.

 A member of my CSCats-dogs list recently purchased this ''CS''
product.



http://www.thepowerstore.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/dpower2/htmlos.cgi/710.2.228255
 9111315095181/dbpsprod/frameindex.html

 I am a new student to homeopathy.
 I have been trying to formulate verbally an opinion/comment on this
product
 but having trouble putting to words with my limited knowledge.

 Per my understanding of homeopathy, the remedy is actually the energy of
the
 original substance (in this case silver-Argentum metallicum).
 The labeling on her bottle says a 5X potency.
 What I find confusing about their marketing; via their website they state
 24ppm. (the statement of 24ppm is missing from the bottle labeling)
 Would it not be impossible to have 24ppm CS in the bottle if it is a 5X
 potency of a silver remedy?
 Perhaps they started with a drop of 24 ppm to begin their succussion sp
to
 reach the 5X potency?

 I also wonder how this site has missed the hand of the FDA?

 Connie


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CSRe:Preventative

[Judith Thamm]

Tisk Marshalee, Tisk Tisk!
 (By the way, for the Newbies out there, who missed my rant of several
months
 ago, the word is preventive, not preventatative,
 ie.what CS is so good at doing!)
 OK, I`ll shut up for now!!! :o)
 Love,
 Marshalee

My 3 nearest dictionaries [each is a standard doorstop weight ;) ] say :
 DK Illustrated Oxford Dictionary
lists preventative before preventive

Reader's Digest Complete Word Finder:
lists preventative before preventive

The Macquarie Dictionary: [standard Australian reference]
preventive [ gives definitions] then  says: Also preventative.

[I collect dictionaries, just BTW.]

Regards,
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CSRe: Poisettia CS

[Dave Sawatzky]

Thanks for your reply Bob.

I make my cs with a Spartan 9KV-30 MA HVAC generator from Utopoia Silver. I 
have added a stirring device powered by adapter.

I have 4-12 qauge rods of . silver 2 inches in the water. Water measures 1 
ppm at start, I run a 2 gal batch for 10hrs. That gives me a very strong tyndal 
effect, but reads only 4 ppm. I then pull the rods out of the water approx 1/4 
inch and arc into the water for approx 1/2 an hour to bring the ionic content 
up to approx 10 ppm. (just to satisfy those who insist on at least 10 ppm) I 
estimate this to be 75% ioniv and 25% particle.
The batch used on the poisettia had been run a bit longer on arc and measured 
14 ppm.

I do not use any covering on the 7 inch opening of the jug.

This is the first time I have heard of producing a NO 3 nitric acid with the 
arc. If you can test it for nitric acid I would like to send you a sample to 
test. I have experimented using the arc only, and have made it as strong as 
1200 ppm with zero tyndal effect. I have never used this product, but it would 
be interesting to know if it had a nitric acid component.

I sent some samples to Frank Key for testing in May 2001, they had run for 5 
hrs, but no arcing 
The ppm measured 3.29  total,
2.08 ppm ionic, 1.21 ppm particle
.
In order to get a higher percentage particles I then doubled the run time, and 
then topped it off with the arc thinking that the arc was adding pure ionic 
silver to the particles.

I usually monitor the current and it starts at about 17ma and ends 25-27 ma.

Please advise what you make of this. 
Dave


Hi Dave,

How do you make your HVAC???   If it is make by the arc method with an
air blanket then you have a good sized ppm of
NO3 !!! that is part of nitric acid.

My HVAC ARC CSmade with a CO2 blanket will have no more and 0.0 to 2.0
ppm of NO3. I have seen some made in ait with 27 ppm of NO3, and that is
disaster.

Since Dr Bill Bagioli and my self developed the HVAC ARC method, please
tell me exacly what you are doing.

It can be great stuff with 98+% ionic silver or a real disaster.

Ole Bob

Re: CSRe: Poinsettia CS

[Judith Thamm]

Dear Dave,
Poinsettias are forced artificially to produce their coloured leaves in winter. 
 They are meant to live only long enough to get them safely into the customers 
hands - that's why it died suddenly.  You haven't got it in long daylight hours 
- necessary to force the plant to think it is in a summer situation.  I never 
handled poinsettias in winter - they were to chancy to sell before they became 
naturally deciduous.

Not the fault of the silver - the fault lies in the method of plant production 
and/or post grower handling before you bought it.
Judith.

  I gave my daughter some cs to use on her Christmas tree. She decided to put 
some on her Poinsettia plant as well, which she watered with it and then 
sprayed it on the leaves, after a very short while the leaves started to curl 
and the plant died.
  Has any one else experienced this?
  Can anyone explain why this happens?

Re: CSLunar CS making

[james barton]

Consider reading Power vs. Force by David R. Hawkins.
jcbarton
- Original Message -
From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@cybermesa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: CSLunar CS making


 Before thinking anything is true, consider Kurt Godel's Incompleteness
 Theorem;  Many advanced mathematicians believe that his proof proves that
 anything that is true is not provable, and, conversely, that systems of
 axiomatic proof may be demonstrated to technically prove something that
on
 it's face is absurdly false.  They don't take enough into account.
 Apparently, the only database adequate to really prove anything is
 everything.

 James-Osbourne: Holmes

 -Original Message-
 From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com]
 Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:02 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSLunar CS making

 There probably is, you're exemplifying the standard sceptic.
 I used to be as sure as you, but not anymore.
 I DO find the world to be more fun now, too...
 BTW, what is your age?
 Chuck
 This mind intentionally left blank.

 On Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:59:16 +1100, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au
 wrote:

 Hey, is there anyone else on this list who thinks like I do - if there is
 then have some balls and add your voice please!


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CSFW: Re: CSRe: Poinsettia CS

[Reinhard Arnold]

Dear Judith,

I just had to go outside to look at my Poinsettia, planted in the yard several years ago and cut back each spring. 
It sure has red leaves on the tops of each stalk. Nothing artificial, except perhaps the streetlight across the street, but I don't think it qualifies to lengthen the day for my plant. 

I have also had some experience with houseplants that die very quickly after buying at a discount place. Pull out the stem of the plant and look at the roots! If there aren't any, you have an explanation of early death, for sure ;-). Some sellers will just cut the ends of a bush and pot that for quick sale, without waiting for new roots to grow. Sort of like a Christmas tree--its days are numbered.

- Original Message - 
From: Judith Thamm 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: 12/29/2001 3:39:14 PM 
Subject: Re: CSRe: Poinsettia  CS

Dear Dave,
Poinsettias are forced artificially to produce their coloured leaves in winter. They are meant to live only long enough to get them safely into the customers hands - that's why it died suddenly. You haven't got it in long daylight hours - necessary to force the plant to think it is in a summer situation. I never handled poinsettias in winter - they were to chancy to sell before they became naturally deciduous.

Not the fault of the silver - the fault lies in the method of plant production and/or post grower handling before you bought it.
Judith.


I gave my daughter some cs to use on her Christmas tree. She decided to put some on her Poinsettia plant as well, which she watered with itand then sprayed it on the leaves, after a very short while the leaves started to curl and the plant died.
Has any one else experienced this?
Can anyone explain why this happens?



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Re: CSRe:Preventative

[Tai-Pan]

Hi all,
In school they say to read the whole question before answering.
Be sure you know what it is that you are answering. :-)
Another cognitive comprehension problem. Like "preventatative" isn't
in the book.
Yep, preventative comes before preventive, obviously ta comes
before ti. :-)
Bless you, Bob Lee
Judith Thamm wrote:
Tisk Marshalee, Tisk Tisk!
> (By the way, for the Newbies out there, who missed my rant of several
months
> ago, the word is "preventive", not "preventatative",
> ie.what CS is so good at doing!)
> OK, I`ll shut up for now!!! :o)
> Love,
> Marshalee
My 3 nearest dictionaries [each is a standard doorstop weight ;) ] say
:
DK Illustrated Oxford Dictionary
lists preventative before preventive
Reader's Digest Complete Word Finder:
lists preventative before preventive
The Macquarie Dictionary: [standard Australian reference]
preventive [ gives definitions] then says: Also preventative.
[I collect dictionaries, just BTW.]
Regards,
Judith.
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CSPreventive

[Marshalee Hallett]

 Tisk Marshalee, Tisk Tisk!
  (By the way, for the Newbies out there, who missed my rant of several
months ago, the word is preventive, not preventative,
  ie.what CS is so good at doing!)
  OK, I`ll shut up for now!!! :o)
  Love,
  Marshalee

 My 3 nearest dictionaries [each is a standard doorstop weight ;) ] say :
  DK Illustrated Oxford Dictionary
 lists preventative before preventive

 Reader's Digest Complete Word Finder:
 lists preventative before preventive

 The Macquarie Dictionary: [standard Australian reference]
 preventive [ gives definitions] then  says: Also preventative.

 [I collect dictionaries, just BTW.]

 Regards,
 Judith.

Dear Judith,
Aha!
Just goes to show that even dictionaries can be wrong!
A preventive prevents, a preventative preventates.
See? It is an ambiguous word.
It just shows that the common misusage of a word breeds acceptance,
don`t it! :o)
Love,
Marshalee
(My most hated ever misusage is seen for saw. And second are the cowboys
talkin` `bout the horse that ain`t been rode.
I could kill...Arrgghhh)


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CSHVDC

[Harold MacDonald]

Being a retired long time electrician,dealing with electricity in many 
voltages,both AC and DC,I would not advise an amateur to fool with 110/120 VDC 
as it is dangerous and ,boy,it sure hurts when you get hit with it.
Harold


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RE: CSRe:Preventative

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

What's the difference? 

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Judith Thamm [mailto:galing...@chariot.net.au]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRe:Preventative

Tisk Marshalee, Tisk Tisk!
 (By the way, for the Newbies out there, who missed my rant of several
months
 ago, the word is preventive, not preventatative,
 ie.what CS is so good at doing!)
 OK, I`ll shut up for now!!! :o)
 Love,
 Marshalee

My 3 nearest dictionaries [each is a standard doorstop weight ;) ] say :
 DK Illustrated Oxford Dictionary
lists preventative before preventive

Reader's Digest Complete Word Finder:
lists preventative before preventive

The Macquarie Dictionary: [standard Australian reference]
preventive [ gives definitions] then  says: Also preventative.

[I collect dictionaries, just BTW.]

Regards,
Judith.


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Re: CSHVDC

[Josephine]

This is sure good to know, I think I will just stick to the low voltage
stuff.
The yellow tinge color for CS is a better trade off than fooling with
something that risky.
Thanks again,
Josephine


Being a retired long time electrician,dealing with electricity in many
voltages,both AC and DC,I would not advise an amateur to fool with 110/120
VDC as it is dangerous and ,boy,it sure hurts when you get hit with it.
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Re: CSRe:Preventative

[Marshalee Hallett]

 What's the difference? 
 
 James-Osbourne: Holmes

The extra ta is redundant.
Marshalee
nuff said...


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Re: CSRe:Preventative

[DANNYMETALMASTER]

To: ta, Get a life!

Re: CSPreventive

[Barnbert]

Marshalee
Be it ever so humble, but right on.
'Don't let the lazy slobs wreck the English language any further[ farther ?] 

Regards, Bob


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Re: CSPreventive

[DANNYMETALMASTER]

Is this web site about Collodial Silver or semantics?

CScomments

[Rich Adams]

Hi, I am new at this and request your comments as to what's wrong with
this from you experienced CS makers.

3 new 9V batteries snapped together to form 27V.
12GA . silver wire
local drugstore distilled water


I suspended the 6 electrodes 1 or so apart using a small mouth 32oz
canning jar.  I got the water hot.  I see plumes of brownish colored wispy
clouds forming within 5 minutes off the positive electrode with the negative
electrode forming bubbles.

Is this too fast?
Can this method produce clear CS?
If yellow CS is pure hype are the CS generators sold by the same people
pure hype as well?

Respectfully,
Rich Adams
rad...@kc.rr.com




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Re: CScomments

[bvjones]

Rich

it looks to me that your generating process is occuring way too fast. most
likely it's the distilled water, or else you had some other residue in the
jar. try rinsing it out with hydrogen peroxide and then rinsing it thoroughly (3
or 4 ) times with the distilled water, then do the generating again spacing your
electrodes 2 inches apart, exactly opposite each other.

In  my experience heating the water will speed the generating up somewhat but
not as quickly as within 5  minutes. for 32 ozs of water it should take at
least 30 minutes to an hour before you see anything other than a very few
bubbles on the negative electrode

hope this tides you over 'till more experienced folks send their comments.

Brita.



- Original Message -
From: Rich Adams rad...@kc.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:02 AM
Subject: CScomments


 Hi, I am new at this and request your comments as to what's wrong with
 this from you experienced CS makers.

 3 new 9V batteries snapped together to form 27V.
 12GA . silver wire
 local drugstore distilled water


 I suspended the 6 electrodes 1 or so apart using a small mouth 32oz
 canning jar.  I got the water hot.  I see plumes of brownish colored wispy
 clouds forming within 5 minutes off the positive electrode with the negative
 electrode forming bubbles.

 Is this too fast?
 Can this method produce clear CS?
 If yellow CS is pure hype are the CS generators sold by the same people
 pure hype as well?

 Respectfully,
 Rich Adams
 rad...@kc.rr.com




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RE: CSPreventive

[Quietcove]

It's all Webster's fault!!!
  -Original Message-
  From: dannymetalmas...@aol.com [mailto:dannymetalmas...@aol.com]
  Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:26 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSPreventive


  Is this web site about Collodial Silver or semantics? 

Re: CScomments

[Acmeair]

it looks good to me, a fairly new neophyte, but wipe the wires after 25-30
minutes, and quit after about 45 minutes. put the jar in a good, dark,
cupboard. check it the next day, or the day after. if it is a very pale
yaller, like your peein in the john, after about 7 butt lites, you have a
good batch.

- Original Message -
From: Rich Adams rad...@kc.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 10:02 PM
Subject: CScomments


 Hi, I am new at this and request your comments as to what's wrong with
 this from you experienced CS makers.

 3 new 9V batteries snapped together to form 27V.
 12GA . silver wire
 local drugstore distilled water


 I suspended the 6 electrodes 1 or so apart using a small mouth 32oz
 canning jar.  I got the water hot.  I see plumes of brownish colored wispy
 clouds forming within 5 minutes off the positive electrode with the
negative
 electrode forming bubbles.

 Is this too fast?
 Can this method produce clear CS?
 If yellow CS is pure hype are the CS generators sold by the same people
 pure hype as well?

 Respectfully,
 Rich Adams
 rad...@kc.rr.com




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Re: CSPreventive

[Acmeair]

you, and marshalee, mistook a bunch of us who give a sh-t!

- Original Message -
From: barnb...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: CSPreventive


 Marshalee
 Be it ever so humble, but right on.
 'Don't let the lazy slobs wreck the English language any further[ farther
?]

 Regards, Bob






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Re: CScomments

[Acmeair]

also, there would be some purists here that think that clear CS is the end
all/ be all, but if you have a faint yeller tinge to your cs, at least you
know there is some cs there. and i might add, it does the same job with the
enemy

- Original Message -
From: Rich Adams rad...@kc.rr.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 10:02 PM
Subject: CScomments


 Hi, I am new at this and request your comments as to what's wrong with
 this from you experienced CS makers.

 3 new 9V batteries snapped together to form 27V.
 12GA . silver wire
 local drugstore distilled water


 I suspended the 6 electrodes 1 or so apart using a small mouth 32oz
 canning jar.  I got the water hot.  I see plumes of brownish colored wispy
 clouds forming within 5 minutes off the positive electrode with the
negative
 electrode forming bubbles.

 Is this too fast?
 Can this method produce clear CS?
 If yellow CS is pure hype are the CS generators sold by the same people
 pure hype as well?

 Respectfully,
 Rich Adams
 rad...@kc.rr.com




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CSUnidentified subject!

[Connie]

I am new at making cs and need some information please.  I found the
following test on the internet and conducted it. on the first test with the
hydrogen peroxide I had no bubbles which was what I think was good for me.
The second part has confused me though.  I added the grains of salt to the
baggy of silver colloid. it did turn cloudy immediately. In one baggy that I
prepared I found small black flakes of something after a few hours. the
other baggy had the beginnings of something small and clear.  what has me
confused is the last sentence.  It states that their (clear crystals of
silver chloride) would indicate there were no free ions of silver. Does this
mean that I should have the crystals and this proves that I have made a good
batch of colloidal silver?  Do I want free ions of silver? Please help me.
My batch was made with no salts or starter.

thank you for your help

Connie

SIMPLE HOME TESTS YOU CAN DO:

If you wish to make one of the most important tests of Cs, you can easily
do it at home! The best product contains no metallic silver and a very
simple test for metallic silver is to add some hydrogen peroxide to the
Cs. For a valid test, pour a few spoons of your Cs into a new clean
plastic bag and add about half a spoon of H2O2 to it. Twist the bag, to
expell most of the air and use a paper clip to hold the twisted area.
Lay it where it will not be disturbed and look for bubbles after a few
hours! If any, you have very poor product! If metal free, there will be
none even after 24 hours! Metallic silver is a catalyst for breaking down
H2O2 into water and oxygen gas, while silver ions have no effect!

The absence of bubbles necessitates another test, to check for silver ions,
as you could have only silver salts, which are almost useless! To test for
ions, you can add a few grains of table salt to the baggy of silver colloid.
If you had ions the Cs will turn slightly cloudy in a few minutes. As a
comparison, add some of your colloidal silver to another baggy as it may
be hard to see the slightly cloudy effect without a comparison sample.
In a few hours (or a day) you will see clear crystals of silver chloride
on the bottom, while their absence would indicate there were no free ions
of silver!



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