date:20020125

<>


  I think you're making some incorrect assumptions about me.  Please
take a look here:

  www.medicinegarden.com/Faculty/CC.html

  Catherine



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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

<>


  ABC didn't bring anything up.  It was a chat to which people submitted
questions online.

Catherine



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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

<< Do some research and you'll find the same ones that control the drug
industry are the same ones that run the media. They're all in bed together.
  Finally, one must understand that you can research all you want. Material
published is done by consensus, not necessarily based on fact. They publish
what they want.
  I could go on and on, but the point is mute. The public is brainwashed.>>


  You're preaching to the choir.  I'm a researcher and writer specializing
in
health and medicine.


  You said:


  <>


This is why it is necessary to have a background in these sciences
so that the material can be evaluated in-depth.  My objection is to those
who make up the answers to be in accordance with what they most
desire to be the truth.

   My response about ozone was in direct response to a particular
statement, not about ozone therapy in general.

  Catherine


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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread FHLew

Greetings

  When they confined the dear lady, Dr.Hulda Clark, we raised
hell didn't we? At least I did .I lost all
past postings because of viral corruption. It is always
an experience to re-read what one has written in the past.

With regards
Lew

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From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 4:39 AM
Subject: RE: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m.
ET.


> A couple of years ago I tried to have a friendly dialogue with him re: CS.
> Not possible.  I presumed thereafter a high probability that he is a  paid
> disinformation agent.  I understand that Dr. Hulda Clark et al are suing
him
> for all of the false statements that he has published about her.   I hope
> they nail him.
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Catherine Creel [mailto:ccr...@maine.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:06 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1
p.m.
> ET.
>
> James said:
>
> <>
>
>   I agree, James, but I think you're being too kind :-) I wish we had
> free access to him with questions. Unfortunately, questions are
> being filtered.
>
> Catherine
>
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Re: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript

2002-01-25 Thread Ode Coyote

At 11:26 PM 1/25/02 -0500, you wrote:
>wow cool!
>Ken 
>
>
>>
>>
>>DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:11pm ET
>>The overall 5-year survival rate for cancer is about five years.


 There are
>>thousands of studies that test different regimens for specific cancers at
>>specific stages. This research is tabulated and is readily available through
>>cancer specialists and through the National Cancer Institute and in medical
>>databases.
>>The people who promote so-called "alternative" treatments almost never even
>>bother to keep score. If there were any genuine evidence that any
>>"alternative" treatment works, the medical research community would be the
>>path to the door.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript

2002-01-25 Thread Ode Coyote

wow cool!
Ken 


>
>
>DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:11pm ET
>The overall 5-year survival rate for cancer is about five years. There are
>thousands of studies that test different regimens for specific cancers at
>specific stages. This research is tabulated and is readily available through
>cancer specialists and through the National Cancer Institute and in medical
>databases.
>The people who promote so-called "alternative" treatments almost never even
>bother to keep score. If there were any genuine evidence that any
>"alternative" treatment works, the medical research community would be the
>path to the door.
>
>
>



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Re: CS>fish aquarium air bubbler

2002-01-25 Thread Ode Coyote


 I associate this flavor with a "metallic" taste. If it is very intense, it
can be perceived as bitter.
Ken
>
>I think there is silver oxide when the process is run too long.  First when
>that happens the CS will get a bitter taste which I associate with being
>alkaline.  With silver, hydrogen and oxygen as the only elements present,
>silver oxide and silver hydroxide are the only compounds I know of that can
>do this.  Theoretically silver hydroxide could be made at the cathode, and
>silver oxide at the anode, where there is lots of free monoatomic hydrogen
>or oxygen.  Silver hydroxide spontaneously degrades to silver oxide rather
>quickly, so I believe that there can be trace amounts of it present in CS
>that is "overdone", and that is what contributes the bitter taste.
>
>Marshall
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Re: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript

Barrett et al specialize in extortion. An example of what they do is here:

http://www.talkinternational.com/legal_barrett_baratz_vs_talk_letter_may_10.
htm

They lost this tactic in court hands down.
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Bartell" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:14 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript


> BARRETT - An Unlicensed Quack who refuses to disclose the source of his
> funding  Anyone who gives credence to this self-ordained
> quackwatcher deserves all the misinformation, misdirection and outright
> lies that he spews out.  On the other hand, now that I know how strongly
> he has lined up against chelation therapy, I am more determined to seek
> it out for myself.
> Namaste  Bob Bartell
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Catherine Creel [mailto:ccr...@maine.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:47 PM
> To: quackbust...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript
>
> MODERATOR at 1:00pm ET
> Stay tuned for our live chat with Dr. Stephen Barrett. Please click on
> "Show
> New Messages" to update your page and view new posts.
> 
> 
> 
> MODERATOR at 1:03pm ET
> Welcome Dr. Barrett! Thanks for joining us.
> You say: "I wish the word 'alternative' would go away." Are there any
> effective alternative cancer therapies, in your view?
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Off Topic: Looking for cite of copy of proposed "biological emergency" statute to be adopted by states.

2002-01-25 Thread james barton

Try the attached.  Buttons on left have a "search engine" link.  Type in 
"biological emergency."  Maybe you will recognize it.  I didn't.
Good luck, and let me know.  Also,  get this,  Jeb Bush declares "martial law," 
EO # 01-261, and "state of emergency in Florida", EO # 01-262 Sept 7th and 
21st, respectively!
Jim Barton
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Bartell 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:13 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>Off Topic: Looking for cite of copy of proposed "biological 
emergency" statute to be adopted by states.

  As I remember, Jim, it was quite a while ago and was a Presidential Executive 
Order. Try a .gov search... Wish I had saved it .. It went out with an old 
computer!  Namaste,  . Bob Bartell

  -Original Message-
  From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 6:48 PM
  To: Silver-List
  Subject: CS>Off Topic: Looking for cite of copy of proposed "biological 
emergency" statute to be adopted by states.

  I had a copy and lost it. 

  It is proposed for all US states.  In the event of a vaguely defined 
"biological emergency", the governor shall declare martial law, anyone may be 
handcuffed, arrested, shipped in any type of transport to any destination, and 
shot up with any drug.   If harmed, intentionally or accidentally there is no 
remedy.  They really are going to do this if there is no great outcry, and 
probably even if there is.  

  I have searched extensively with various strings and not found it again. 

  I may have seen it  originally on this list.  

  Any help in getting the citation of the statute or a copy or suggestions of 
where to look will be greatly appreciated.  

  I apologize for using the list in this manner, but I don't know where else to 
look and I don't have any sick pets to lament. 

  James-Osbourne: Holmes

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Re: CS>The quack

When quackwatch and their affiliates are forced to disclose their financial
status and from whence they receive their "non-profit" contributions, it
will be obvious who's behind all this. Somewhere I have a list of
contributors from 1999, but can't find it. No matter, it will soon be
brought to light.
- Original Message -
From: "Shirley Reed" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:18 PM
Subject: CS>The quack


>I don't believe the man answered a single question.
>  He spoke, but that is different from answering a
> question.   pj
>
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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread Leo Regehr

Does anyone have copies of their communications with Barrett still on their
drives? If so, please let me know.
Leo
  

"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:

> A couple of years ago I tried to have a friendly dialogue with him re: CS.
> Not possible.  I presumed thereafter a high probability that he is a  paid
> disinformation agent.  I understand that Dr. Hulda Clark et al are suing him
> for all of the false statements that he has published about her.   I hope
> they nail him.
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Catherine Creel [mailto:ccr...@maine.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:06 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m.
> ET.
>
> James said:
>
> <>
>
>   I agree, James, but I think you're being too kind :-) I wish we had
> free access to him with questions. Unfortunately, questions are
> being filtered.
>
> Catherine
>
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CS>Remarks ref to discussion. CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread Maxine Wilton

  Well,  the drug Co's don't want to loose their shirts.  In abt  3 months
my spouces medicine,  (! ) went up 12.00  so he couldn't buy it??? now what?
   I have him on KEFIR  /KT   and  Vit's etc and  is better able but
still needs the other.  A D D  is lacking in   things to help  him with
ability to Focus, and  ability to   fuction in adversity etc.
  Well  we need to p0rotect our rights to get  med help  for ourselves
that as experiences have helped  other than drugs,
  All people and  circumstances not same but>>>
Don't let them  get away with putting herbs etc on prescription lists!.
Maxine

-Original Message-
From: DJG 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m.
ET.


>It is by design these national "news" media blitz's plant doubts. My friend
>is a doctor in Florida with a ozone generator. He has used it to cure a
>litter of puppies with parvo, and his cousin (my friend as well) used it.
>Done properly, it is perfectly safe. Another friend, a retired
bio-physicist
>in Texas, has much experience with Ozone and IV H2O2. He also was treating
>cancer patients for years with Koch's SSR ( www.williamfkoch.com ),
>illegally nonetheless.  No, ozone doesn't work in each case, but why is it
>that ozone is commonly used in Europefor decades, yet the medical
>nimrods in the U.S. refuse to recognize it? It is not mainly for cancer.
>Researchers have used ozone. The literature is replete. Another is UVBI
>(ultraviolet blood irradiation). Extremely effective against pathogenic
>invaders, and has been in use for over 40 years.but not accepted.
>  Understand the politics of medicine and you will understand why many
>modalities will never make it to mainstream. Remember, it was proven in
1983
>that stomach ulcers were caused by H Pylori. It took until 1996 to be
>accepted. Today there are over 20 isolated bacterium. Also, Rife, Koch and
>others in the 1920's and 1930's said toxins (from viruses, etc.) caused
>cancer. They were scoffed at and worse. Today there are 5 viruses proven to
>cause cancer.
>  I would have liked to offer a $10,000 challenge to Mr. Barrett that there
>is more than one "cure" for Hepatitis C, easily disproven by lab reports.
>One is an herbal mixture documented by M.D.'s. I used this for several
>things. However, he's broke from all the lawsuits he's losing in court.
This
>guys a phony, and the truth be known was originally financed by the AMA et
>al. He hasn't had a real job in 20 years.
>  Do some research and you'll find the same ones that control the drug
>industry are the same ones that run the media. They're all in bed together.
>  Finally, one must understand that you can research all you want. Material
>published is done by consensus, not necessarily based on fact. They publish
>what they want.
>  I could go on and on, but the point is mute. The public is brainwashed.
>- Original Message -
>From: "Catherine Creel" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:23 AM
>Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1
p.m.
>ET.
>
>
>> Hi Tel,
>>
>>
>>   You said:
>>
>> <> zapping Anthrax Mail with Ozone, But last night they reported Ozone is
>> not effective in treating cancerJimmy a Break !>>
>>
>>
>> Their reason for satying this is because researchers never tried
>> ozone in humans.  In vitro it tells them it creates enough free radicals
>> to kill a person, so they won't try it.
>>
>>   However, that being said, because ozone kills one thing, does not mean
>> it kills another - any more than one antibiotic is right for everything.
>>
>>   If ozone worked on cancer all the time, no one would die.
>> The fact is, in some people, ozone keeps cancer at bay.
>> In others, it does nothing.
>>
>>  This is why I don't see ABC as being inconsistent.
>>
>>   Regards,
>> Catherine
>>
>>
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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

  Believe me, I understand his connections. The man is a retired
psychiatrist, does that tell you something?
- Original Message -
From: "Catherine Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m.
ET.


> Hi James,
>
>
>   You said:
>
> < Not possible.  I presumed thereafter a high probability that he is a  paid
> disinformation agent.  I understand that Dr. Hulda Clark et al are suing
him
> for all of the false statements that he has published about her.   I hope
> they nail him.>>
>
>
>He is a serious threat to alt med.  He is involved in a number
> of lawsuits, some of which he has won, some he's lost, and some
> still pending.
>
>   He is backed by the chemical and pharmaceutical industries.
> This private not-for-profit is a front for his work.
>
> www.acsh.org
>
>
>Those who don't take him seriously have no idea the depth
> of his connections.
>
> Regards,
> Catherine
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript

One example: Dr. Stanilov Burzynski. I notice he didn't use him as an
example. 700% higher success rate, even when FDA limited him to failed
conventional treatment patients. He crucifies him on his QuackWatch website.
Do the research. After 25 years and FDA raids, his clinic was finally given
official clinical trial statusthat only after Thomas Navarro died.
www.cancerbusters.com
  Research Koch. Over 400 documented "remissions". Budwig in Germany. North
American Indian cancer formula. Kelly. Gerson. Rife, Lachovsky, the list is
endless. All blackballed by the AMA and government thugs. Read what Willard
Dow (dow chemical) said about the ACS, AMA and the cancer industry at large.
  Understand; success in medicine is based on profit, not cure rates. That
is the truth. If you think doctors know half of what is truly correct, think
again.
  Skin cancer is the easiest of all to eliminate. I've used it several
times. Yet, can you imagine surgeons folding up their tents to a treatment
that cost under $100? The medical industry employs millions. The economic
impact would be distrastrous should people be treated outside the accepted
norm.  It's a scam pure and simple.
- Original Message -
From: "Catherine Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:47 PM
Subject: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript


> MODERATOR at 1:00pm ET
> Stay tuned for our live chat with Dr. Stephen Barrett. Please click on
"Show
> New Messages" to update your page and view new posts.
> --
--
> 
> MODERATOR at 1:03pm ET
> Welcome Dr. Barrett! Thanks for joining us.
> You say: "I wish the word 'alternative' would go away." Are there any
> effective alternative cancer therapies, in your view?
>
>
> --
--
> 
> DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:06pm ET
> "Alternative" is a slogan, not a definable group of therapies. If
something
> works, it would not be proper to refer to it as alternative.
> The vast majority of cancer treatments referred to as alternative
obviously
> don't work. It's unlikely that any others work.
>
>
> --
--
> 
> MODERATOR at 1:06pm ET
> Dr. Barrett, when we asked our users to sumbit questions for the chat, we
> received a lot of angry messages from people saying you're discrediting
many
> treatments that might hold promise. Why do you think people are so angry?
> --
--
> 
> DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:08pm ET
> Some people have beliefs about health that they hold with the same fervor
as
> people hold religious beliefs, and when their beliefs are stepped on, they
> get angry.
> --
--
> 
> MODERATOR at 1:09pm ET
> Roger writes: "The cancer clinics in Tijuana are an easy pick for
quackery.
> Have you ever researched the results for chemotherapy and radiation
> treatments? Where can I find documented information on these practices?
> Exactly how effective are these treatments? Why do 1500 people die each
day
> in the U.S. of cancer with the use of American medical procedures?" Any
> comment?
> --
--
> 
> DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:11pm ET
> The overall 5-year survival rate for cancer is about five years. There are
> thousands of studies that test different regimens for specific cancers at
> specific stages. This research is tabulated and is readily available
through
> cancer specialists and through the National Cancer Institute and in
medical
> databases.
> The people who promote so-called "alternative" treatments almost never
even
> bother to keep score. If there were any genuine evidence that any
> "alternative" treatment works, the medical research community would be the
> path to the door.
>
>
> --
--
> 
> MODERATOR at 1:12pm ET
> Kali Ashcroft writes: "There are many cancer clinics in Mexico that are
> quite effective, but there are just as many if not more that are out to
> swindel you. As a breast cancer survivor I should know. I would be dead
> today if it were not for alternative medicine. The clinics that you
featured
> in your story must have been the bottom of the barrel because I haven't
> heard of any of them, or any of the treatments they use."
> Any comment?
>
>
> --
--
> 
> DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:14pm ET
> The 50 or so clinics to which the program referred specialize in ripping
off
> Americans and are seldom if ever used by Mexican patients.
> Mexico does have some up to date facilities, but that has nothing
whatsoever
> to do with the so-called "alternative" clinics.
>
>
> --

Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

EXACTLY. They edit the interviews to slant things their way. I'll bet ABC
didn't bring up the court case recently lost by Mr. Barrett in California,
did they? The judge basically laughed him out of court. He is both a liar
and a snake.
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From: "Maxine Wilton" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m.
ET.


> If questions are being filteres and some not answered, why is the
discussion
> even being conducted???
>  What good will it be
>  It must be evident that this person is obcessed with being against
> Alternative medicine?
>  What Drug Co's does he have a stake in or why  is he so against
> Alternatives.
>  The discussion should include  another person, not of his   mind against
> the purpose of the discussion.
>Fair,   HUMBUG?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Catherine Creel 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1
p.m.
> ET.
>
>
> >James said:
> >
> ><>
> >
> >  I agree, James, but I think you're being too kind :-) I wish we had
> >free access to him with questions. Unfortunately, questions are
> >being filtered.
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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

It is by design these national "news" media blitz's plant doubts. My friend
is a doctor in Florida with a ozone generator. He has used it to cure a
litter of puppies with parvo, and his cousin (my friend as well) used it.
Done properly, it is perfectly safe. Another friend, a retired bio-physicist
in Texas, has much experience with Ozone and IV H2O2. He also was treating
cancer patients for years with Koch's SSR ( www.williamfkoch.com ),
illegally nonetheless.  No, ozone doesn't work in each case, but why is it
that ozone is commonly used in Europefor decades, yet the medical
nimrods in the U.S. refuse to recognize it? It is not mainly for cancer.
Researchers have used ozone. The literature is replete. Another is UVBI
(ultraviolet blood irradiation). Extremely effective against pathogenic
invaders, and has been in use for over 40 years.but not accepted.
  Understand the politics of medicine and you will understand why many
modalities will never make it to mainstream. Remember, it was proven in 1983
that stomach ulcers were caused by H Pylori. It took until 1996 to be
accepted. Today there are over 20 isolated bacterium. Also, Rife, Koch and
others in the 1920's and 1930's said toxins (from viruses, etc.) caused
cancer. They were scoffed at and worse. Today there are 5 viruses proven to
cause cancer.
  I would have liked to offer a $10,000 challenge to Mr. Barrett that there
is more than one "cure" for Hepatitis C, easily disproven by lab reports.
One is an herbal mixture documented by M.D.'s. I used this for several
things. However, he's broke from all the lawsuits he's losing in court. This
guys a phony, and the truth be known was originally financed by the AMA et
al. He hasn't had a real job in 20 years.
  Do some research and you'll find the same ones that control the drug
industry are the same ones that run the media. They're all in bed together.
  Finally, one must understand that you can research all you want. Material
published is done by consensus, not necessarily based on fact. They publish
what they want.
  I could go on and on, but the point is mute. The public is brainwashed.
- Original Message -
From: "Catherine Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m.
ET.


> Hi Tel,
>
>
>   You said:
>
> < zapping Anthrax Mail with Ozone, But last night they reported Ozone is
> not effective in treating cancerJimmy a Break !>>
>
>
> Their reason for satying this is because researchers never tried
> ozone in humans.  In vitro it tells them it creates enough free radicals
> to kill a person, so they won't try it.
>
>   However, that being said, because ozone kills one thing, does not mean
> it kills another - any more than one antibiotic is right for everything.
>
>   If ozone worked on cancer all the time, no one would die.
> The fact is, in some people, ozone keeps cancer at bay.
> In others, it does nothing.
>
>  This is why I don't see ABC as being inconsistent.
>
>   Regards,
> Catherine
>
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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

I wish I knew about this earlier. I have a whole list of questions for Mr.
Barrett. Quack cancer treatments? The quacks are the standard treatments.
How would he explain my brother-in-law's CEA going from 77 to 47 using
"quack" alternatives? Stage IV colorectal adenocarcinoma, terminal. Still
here, never in the hospital, refused all standard treatments. How can this
be? If his $#%%! doctor bothered to read his biweekly blood work, his anemia
would not have gotten out of control. After basically throwing it in his
face, he had no choice but to admit something is definitely working.
  My mother-in-law on the other hand has Stage III ductal carcinoma breast
cancer, followed all the rules, had mammograms, took HRT.recently had a
mascectomy, on chemo. It will not work. She's been in the hospital twice
with complications, and dismisses the use of any "unproven" methods, despite
the dismal success rate of chemo. Her doctors said her diet doesn't matter
(just eat "right"good advice, yes?), and taking supplements is a waste,
but didn't forbid her.
  Sorry for the rant, this is a touchy subject for me.

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From: "Catherine Creel" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:44 AM
Subject: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.


> I thought some of you might be interested in this.  Unfortunately, I think
> questions he doesn't like will never make it to the public---Catherine
>
>
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/community/DailyNews/Community_Index.html#chat
>
>
>Fighting Medical Fraud
> For 30 years, Dr. Stephen Barrett has been monitoring alternative
therapies,
> cataloguing what he says are bogus treatments. How can health consumers
> distinguish fact from fallacy? Join Barrett in a live chat Friday at 1
p.m.
> ET.  Send in a question!
>
>
>
> Quiz a Quackbuster
> Dr. Stephen Barrett on Health Fraud
>
>
>
> Dr. Stephen Barrett
> More than 1 million Americans are diagnosed with cancer every year and
> studies suggest that many of them explore alternative therapies. But do
the
> treatments actually work?
> "I wish the word 'alternative' would go away. It's quack cancer therapy,"
> says consumer advocate Dr. Stephen Barrett, founder of Quackwatch.com, a
> nonprofit organization designed to protect consumers from health-related
> scams.
>
> "Most people think that quackery is easy to spot," says Barrett. "Often it
> is not. Its promoters wear the cloak of science. They use scientific terms
> and quote - or misquote - scientific references."
>
> How can health consumers distinguish fact from fallacy?
>
> Watch Primetime Thursday, Jan. 24, at 10 p.m. ET and join our online
> discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.
>
> Barrett, a retired psychiatrist, is vice president of the National Council
> Against Health Fraud and a scientific adviser to the American Council on
> Science and Health. In 1984, he received an FDA Commissioner's Special
> Citation Award for Public Service in fighting nutrition quackery. He has
> written 49 books on health fraud.
>
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>
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CS>Oxy-therapy list?

2002-01-25 Thread marjie

Does anyone have the signup address for Oxy-therapy list at yahoo?  Thanks - 
mar...@tds.net

CS>The quack

2002-01-25 Thread Shirley Reed

   I don't believe the man answered a single question.
 He spoke, but that is different from answering a
question.   pj

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RE: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript

2002-01-25 Thread Bob Bartell

BARRETT - An Unlicensed Quack who refuses to disclose the source of his
funding  Anyone who gives credence to this self-ordained
quackwatcher deserves all the misinformation, misdirection and outright
lies that he spews out.  On the other hand, now that I know how strongly
he has lined up against chelation therapy, I am more determined to seek
it out for myself.
Namaste  Bob Bartell

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To: quackbust...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript

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Welcome Dr. Barrett! Thanks for joining us.
You say: "I wish the word 'alternative' would go away." Are there any
effective alternative cancer therapies, in your view?





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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

Hi James,


  You said:

<>


   He is a serious threat to alt med.  He is involved in a number
of lawsuits, some of which he has won, some he's lost, and some
still pending.

  He is backed by the chemical and pharmaceutical industries.
This private not-for-profit is a front for his work.

www.acsh.org


   Those who don't take him seriously have no idea the depth
of his connections.

Regards,
Catherine



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Re: CS>CS RE> Steam Distillers

2002-01-25 Thread catmagnet

http://www.wholesalewaterdistillers.com/

Just received the Love Countertop Distiller, purchased from link above. Am 
thrilled with it after 2 days use. Total cost with shipping was $119(price 
of Love Countertop was $99). Makes 3-4 gallons per day. (saved plastic water 
bottles galore) Phone call informed that this is good deal; significant jump in 
price to $300-500 to find anything better.

Apparently distilled and RO water are dead, so am getting info and 
product/solutions on Energetic live water from persons i trust. Was told to 
first get on Energetic water before starting fulvic acid minerals. The chlorine 
interacts badly with fulvic acid, as i understood it.

New to this list, it is a privilege to have found you all. Thank you.




Harold wrote:
  Does anybody have good recommends for a steam Distiller?Something 
reasonable.I don't trust my local supply of distilled water.
  Harold

CS>CS RE> Steam Distillers

2002-01-25 Thread Harold MacDonald

Does anybody have good recommends for a steam Distiller?Something reasonable.I 
don't trust my local supply of distilled water.
Harold


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Re: CS>CS & Fulvic Acid

2002-01-25 Thread Black

Thanks, Ivan.  so what you said is that Fulvic acid is both unnecessary and
ill advised for use with CS?

Nancy...

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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:50 AM
Subject: RE: CS>CS & Fulvic Acid


>
> Some info on fulvic acid, which is a type of humic acid.
>
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m22663.html
>
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m26609.html
>
> Ivan
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Black [mailto:dbl...@cfl.rr.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 25 January 2002 4:43 a.m.
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: CS>CS & Fulvic Acid
> >
> >
> >
> > While searching for some CS info for someone who wants to
> > know exactly what
> > CS is I came across a web site called Healix which claims
> > that by adding
> > Fulvic Acid to silver ions you get a better delivery of the CS to
> the
> > bloodstream.  Anyone heard of this?
> >
> > nancy...
>
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RE: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes

A couple of years ago I tried to have a friendly dialogue with him re: CS.
Not possible.  I presumed thereafter a high probability that he is a  paid
disinformation agent.  I understand that Dr. Hulda Clark et al are suing him
for all of the false statements that he has published about her.   I hope
they nail him.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 8:06 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m.
ET.

James said:

<>

  I agree, James, but I think you're being too kind :-) I wish we had
free access to him with questions. Unfortunately, questions are
being filtered.

Catherine


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V102 #84

2002-01-25 Thread Kees de Jonge

> 
> silver-digest DigestVolume 102 : Issue 84
> 
> Today's Topics:
> CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript
>etc. etc.


HUH???


Kees (Netherlands)



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RE: CS>fish aquarium air bubbler

Marshall D,

Thanks for your reply, and thanks for the informative link 

Try this, for an insight to the process of electrolysis, just
substitute Ag (0.79V) for chlorine at the anode.
http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/cl2&naoh/Cl2&NaOH.html

Silver hydroxide can only degrade if it is a compound and not
dissolved ions Ag+ and OH- . If water is being reduced to H2 gas at
the cathode (0.83V) then most likely silver is not (0.79V). H2 gas is
formed at the start of the process when no silver ion are available
for  reduction, and intermittently throughout the generating process
when Ag+ concentration is low in the cathode vicinity, or so I
theorise.

Regards
Ivan.


> -Original Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 4:58 a.m.
> To: *Silver-List* (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: CS>fish aquarium air bubbler
>
>
> I Anderson wrote:
>
> > Marshall,
> >
> > You seem so sure that silver oxide exists in CS solutions ...why?
> >
> > There is little, if any, molecular oxygen atoms in d.
> water, and none
> > produced at the anode,
>
> Hun?  Electrolysis produces oxygen at the anode.
> http://webhome.idirect.com/~famistew/hydrogen/electro.htm
>
> > if silver is being ionised there as silver
> > ionises at 0.79V as opposed to the 1.6V (or there abouts)
> required to
> > rip oxygen from water molecules.
> >
>
> In the later stages of production, if the current is allowed
> to go way up, I
> have seen bubbles produced at both electrodes.  If hydrogen is being
> produced at the cathode, then 1/2 as much oxygen HAS to be
> produced at the
> anode. You can't produce one without the other beyond the
> absorption level
> of water.
>
> >
> > It is my understanding that the colour of CS solutions is a
> result of
> > the particle size.
> >
>
> Absolutely.
>
> >
> > The greyish build up on the cathode is simply reduced
> silver ions, ie
> > silver metal fluff.
>
> I think there is silver oxide when the process is run too
> long.  First when
> that happens the CS will get a bitter taste which I associate
> with being
> alkaline.  With silver, hydrogen and oxygen as the only
> elements present,
> silver oxide and silver hydroxide are the only compounds I
> know of that can
> do this.  Theoretically silver hydroxide could be made at the
> cathode, and
> silver oxide at the anode, where there is lots of free
> monoatomic hydrogen
> or oxygen.  Silver hydroxide spontaneously degrades to silver
> oxide rather
> quickly, so I believe that there can be trace amounts of it
> present in CS
> that is "overdone", and that is what contributes the bitter taste.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Free instrutions/bubble generator

2002-01-25 Thread Dolphinsav

The attachement below is for an article about cs and instuction for making a
cs generator using an aquarium bubbler. It also eliminates the use of silver
wire. I use a 99.9 pure silver ingot (cut in half) that I got on ebay for
about 5.00. I have never had a bad batch yet.
Candice

Subj:
Dr.JOn

Date:
1/25/2002 11:29:10 AM Central Standard Time

From:
Dolphinsav

To:
Dolphinsav
Note: The following was taken from the research of The Alternative Medicine Research Foundation, a non profit Charitable Trust. Colloidal Silver-Miracle or Fraud
DOES THE EMPEROR HAVE ANY CLOTHES AT ALL?

A new discovery and you can make your own for less than $1.00/gallon. Most of us have read some of the remarkable, frequently outrageous, claims for colloidal silver. Clever marketing scoundrels have made millions pawning off 2 ounces of sublingual spray, on gullible people, for ten to eighty clams. Hundreds of others encourage you to make your own for peanuts . . . provided you purchase their magical generator for $50.00-$500.00. I suspected that this was nothing more than a creative way to sell snake oil . . . similar to the HGH scam. Then it occurred to me that I may be wrong . . . I frequently am (sigh). In 1999 I learned that the FDA was considering making colloidal silver a prescription item I thought, "Oops, why would they restrict something which, even if it is worthless, is totally benign?". My researchers in The Dominican Republic built a generator. We quickly enlisted (actually conscripted) some mouse volunteers. I never published the results because they were inconclusive and mostly disappointing. It was very effective on burns and skin infections but showed no efficacy on anything viral. These results have been well know for many years. The research was abandoned. FRANKENSTEIN REVISITED As you recall in Mary Shelley's nineteenth century fantasy, life was created with a few million volts of electricity (lightning). Now I am wondering if millions of lives can be saved, or enhanced, utilizing the same concept. Recently I mentioned that I would love to visit Bangkok . . . but not alone (sigh). Last week I was contacted by a very bright Norwegian lady, a highly educated registered nurse who wondered if this SEXagenerian had any promise. We exchanged the usual emails wherein I boasted about how clever, smart, rich, and altogether irresistible I was . . . while she pretended to be impressed. She is currently in So. California. Finally, she decided that, even though I may be a rogue, I was not a phony. She disclosed her phone number. We had chatted for over an hour when she casually mentioned a Ph.D. friend, a classical "Mad Scientist" type, who had recently passed away. Just prior to his death he gave her a machine which he had developed. He claimed it solved the problem of creating colloidal silver particles small enough to penetrate at the atomic level . . . as small as 10 Angstroms, 1/100th the size of those made by conventional means. Note: suspended particles can be accurately referred to as "colloidal" in diameters of 5-5,000 Angstroms. She told of many hard to believe results her friends had reported, as well as some of her own. She had no idea how or why it worked where conventional suspensions failed. When she told me how it was applied (there is NO apparent physical connection to the distilled water), and what she saw, I know exactly what was going on. I called a biophysicist colleague, explaining what I had learned. Years ago Hans, 82, had done some research on colloidal silver; with success only at the bacterial level. The particles were far too large to access a virus which can be up to thousands of times smaller than a bacterium. He suggested that, if indeed this machine produced silver particles in the 20-40 Angstrom area, it would be able to function on the atomic level . . . which translates to, "Maybe, just maybe a key has been found to deal with a virus . . . which has totally baffled medical science. First read the following. It was taken from many sources which I believe to be reliable. Using the conventional method one can shine a bright light through the solution and see evidence that it is not plain distilled water for one will see the beam in the water due to a tiny refraction caused by the suspended particles. This machine produces a crystal clear solution, and yet, with a sensitive, digital ohm meter one can verify that something is there. All this may just be a wild goose chase . . . no matter, we research scientist chase many geese although usually wind up with only a few, if any, feathers (sigh). WANNA BE A GUINEA PIG??? Colloidal Silver has been clinically proven to be powerful natural antibiotic, estimated to kill over 650 different disease-causing pathogens(bacteria, viruses, fungus and yeast). Hippocrates, the father of modern medicine, noted that silver had beneficial healing and anti-disease properties. Colloidal silver wa

CS>Dr. Stephen Barrett ABC Chat Transcript

MODERATOR at 1:00pm ET
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MODERATOR at 1:03pm ET
Welcome Dr. Barrett! Thanks for joining us.
You say: "I wish the word 'alternative' would go away." Are there any
effective alternative cancer therapies, in your view?




DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:06pm ET
"Alternative" is a slogan, not a definable group of therapies. If something
works, it would not be proper to refer to it as alternative.
The vast majority of cancer treatments referred to as alternative obviously
don't work. It's unlikely that any others work.




MODERATOR at 1:06pm ET
Dr. Barrett, when we asked our users to sumbit questions for the chat, we
received a lot of angry messages from people saying you're discrediting many
treatments that might hold promise. Why do you think people are so angry?


DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:08pm ET
Some people have beliefs about health that they hold with the same fervor as
people hold religious beliefs, and when their beliefs are stepped on, they
get angry.


MODERATOR at 1:09pm ET
Roger writes: "The cancer clinics in Tijuana are an easy pick for quackery.
Have you ever researched the results for chemotherapy and radiation
treatments? Where can I find documented information on these practices?
Exactly how effective are these treatments? Why do 1500 people die each day
in the U.S. of cancer with the use of American medical procedures?" Any
comment?


DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:11pm ET
The overall 5-year survival rate for cancer is about five years. There are
thousands of studies that test different regimens for specific cancers at
specific stages. This research is tabulated and is readily available through
cancer specialists and through the National Cancer Institute and in medical
databases.
The people who promote so-called "alternative" treatments almost never even
bother to keep score. If there were any genuine evidence that any
"alternative" treatment works, the medical research community would be the
path to the door.




MODERATOR at 1:12pm ET
Kali Ashcroft writes: "There are many cancer clinics in Mexico that are
quite effective, but there are just as many if not more that are out to
swindel you. As a breast cancer survivor I should know. I would be dead
today if it were not for alternative medicine. The clinics that you featured
in your story must have been the bottom of the barrel because I haven't
heard of any of them, or any of the treatments they use."
Any comment?




DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:14pm ET
The 50 or so clinics to which the program referred specialize in ripping off
Americans and are seldom if ever used by Mexican patients.
Mexico does have some up to date facilities, but that has nothing whatsoever
to do with the so-called "alternative" clinics.




Bob Beiswenger at 1:14pm ET
Fleming's discovery of penicillin was thought to be quackery at one time and
so was chemotherapy. What if YOU are wrong about what you belive to be
quackery? You could be hurting a lot of people. Let the individual
decide...don't take away freedom of choice!


DR. STEPHEN BARRETT at 1:18pm ET
Individuals can decide to do whatever they want. The issue is whether or not
government should permit crime to flourish.
There have been a few instances in modern times where the medical profession
was a bit slow in accepting new ideas. But there's a difference between
promising new ideas and quackery.

To my knowledge, there has not been a single idea in the past 50 years that
was thought to be quackery and was later demonstrated to be useful. It's not
likely there will be many, because now that scientific methods have been
developed, the scientific community is very likely to be able to tell the
difference between a promising new idea and a piece of quack nonsense.

It also should be pointed out that Fleming didn't try to sell penicillin for
$15,000 a treatment. He and his colleagues understood what was necessary to
develop the evidence. They did so, and it has been accepted.




Donna at 1:19pm ET
Do you think the traditional medical field

Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread Maxine Wilton

If questions are being filteres and some not answered, why is the discussion
even being conducted???
 What good will it be
 It must be evident that this person is obcessed with being against
Alternative medicine?
 What Drug Co's does he have a stake in or why  is he so against
Alternatives.
 The discussion should include  another person, not of his   mind against
the purpose of the discussion.
   Fair,   HUMBUG?

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From: Catherine Creel 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m.
ET.


>James said:
>
><>
>
>  I agree, James, but I think you're being too kind :-) I wish we had
>free access to him with questions. Unfortunately, questions are
>being filtered.
>
>Catherine
>
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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread Tel Tofflemire

Ozone works very well in my home I have 4 Ozone air purifiers
I learned this yeas ago when I had a basement prone to mold , mildew,
crickets, ozone cured the problem. Motels use ozone to clean a smoky, or
stinky motel room and have for years.  Car restore co's use Ozone to clean a
smell from a crashed car, including where a victim was killed and remained
in the auto for a long time.  Ozone is used sterilize medical waste, medical
instruments and equipment..  But they have done little or no testing with
Ozone on humansmy suspicion, They make much more  on the drugs they
own the patent on(just my take on this)
Tel Tofflemire
Phoenix, AZ

Catherine Creel wrote:

> Hi Tel,
>
>   You said:
>
> < zapping Anthrax Mail with Ozone, But last night they reported Ozone is
> not effective in treating cancerJimmy a Break !>>
>
> Their reason for satying this is because researchers never tried
> ozone in humans.  In vitro it tells them it creates enough free radicals
> to kill a person, so they won't try it.
>
>   However, that being said, because ozone kills one thing, does not mean
> it kills another - any more than one antibiotic is right for everything.
>
>   If ozone worked on cancer all the time, no one would die.
> The fact is, in some people, ozone keeps cancer at bay.
> In others, it does nothing.
>
>  This is why I don't see ABC as being inconsistent.
>
>   Regards,
> Catherine
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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

Hi Tel,


  You said:

<>


Their reason for satying this is because researchers never tried 
ozone in humans.  In vitro it tells them it creates enough free radicals 
to kill a person, so they won't try it.

  However, that being said, because ozone kills one thing, does not mean 
it kills another - any more than one antibiotic is right for everything.

  If ozone worked on cancer all the time, no one would die.
The fact is, in some people, ozone keeps cancer at bay.  
In others, it does nothing. 

 This is why I don't see ABC as being inconsistent.

  Regards,
Catherine


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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread Marshall Dudley

Would that work?  It seems to me that the ozone would be much quicker to
react with the paper than anthrax spores.

Marshall

Tel Tofflemire wrote:

> They can not have it both ways !  Here on ABC News they explore
> zapping Anthrax Mail with Ozone, But last night they reported Ozone is
> not effective in treating cancerJimmy a Break !
> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge020125.html
>
> Tel Tofflemire
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> Catherine Creel wrote:
>
>> I thought some of you might be interested in this.  Unfortunately, I
>> think
>> questions he doesn't like will never make it to the
>> public---Catherine
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.
>> om/sections/community/DailyNews/Community_Index.html#chat
>>
>>Fighting Medical Fraud
>> For 30 years, Dr. Stephen Barrett has been monitoring alternative
>> therapies,
>> cataloguing what he says are bogus treatments. How can health
>> consumers
>> distinguish fact from fallacy? Join Barrett in a live chat Friday at
>> 1 p.m.
>> ET.  Send in a question!
>>
>> Quiz a Quackbuster
>> Dr. Stephen Barrett on Health Fraud
>>
>> Dr. Stephen Barrett
>> More than 1 million Americans are diagnosed with cancer every year
>> and
>> studies suggest that many of them explore alternative therapies. But
>> do the
>> treatments actually work?
>> "I wish the word 'alternative' would go away. It's quack cancer
>> therapy,"
>> says consumer advocate Dr. Stephen Barrett, founder of
>> Quackwatch.com, a
>> nonprofit organization designed to protect consumers from
>> health-related
>> scams.
>>
>> "Most people think that quackery is easy to spot," says Barrett.
>> "Often it
>> is not. Its promoters wear the cloak of science. They use scientific
>> terms
>> and quote - or misquote - scientific references."
>>
>> How can health consumers distinguish fact from fallacy?
>>
>> Watch Primetime Thursday, Jan. 24, at 10 p.m. ET and join our online
>>
>> discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.
>>
>> Barrett, a retired psychiatrist, is vice president of the National
>> Council
>> Against Health Fraud and a scientific adviser to the American
>> Council on
>> Science and Health. In 1984, he received an FDA Commissioner's
>> Special
>> Citation Award for Public Service in fighting nutrition quackery. He
>> has
>> written 49 books on health fraud.
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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread Tel Tofflemire

They can not have it both ways !  Here on ABC News they explore zapping Anthrax
Mail with Ozone, But last night they reported Ozone is not effective in treating
cancerJimmy a Break !
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge020125.html
Tel Tofflemire
Phoenix, AZ

Catherine Creel wrote:

> I thought some of you might be interested in this.  Unfortunately, I think
> questions he doesn't like will never make it to the public---Catherine
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/community/DailyNews/Community_Index.html#chat
>
>Fighting Medical Fraud
> For 30 years, Dr. Stephen Barrett has been monitoring alternative therapies,
> cataloguing what he says are bogus treatments. How can health consumers
> distinguish fact from fallacy? Join Barrett in a live chat Friday at 1 p.m.
> ET.  Send in a question!
>
> Quiz a Quackbuster
> Dr. Stephen Barrett on Health Fraud
>
> Dr. Stephen Barrett
> More than 1 million Americans are diagnosed with cancer every year and
> studies suggest that many of them explore alternative therapies. But do the
> treatments actually work?
> "I wish the word 'alternative' would go away. It's quack cancer therapy,"
> says consumer advocate Dr. Stephen Barrett, founder of Quackwatch.com, a
> nonprofit organization designed to protect consumers from health-related
> scams.
>
> "Most people think that quackery is easy to spot," says Barrett. "Often it
> is not. Its promoters wear the cloak of science. They use scientific terms
> and quote - or misquote - scientific references."
>
> How can health consumers distinguish fact from fallacy?
>
> Watch Primetime Thursday, Jan. 24, at 10 p.m. ET and join our online
> discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.
>
> Barrett, a retired psychiatrist, is vice president of the National Council
> Against Health Fraud and a scientific adviser to the American Council on
> Science and Health. In 1984, he received an FDA Commissioner's Special
> Citation Award for Public Service in fighting nutrition quackery. He has
> written 49 books on health fraud.
>
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Re: CS>fish aquarium air bubbler

2002-01-25 Thread Marshall Dudley

I Anderson wrote:

> Marshall,
>
> You seem so sure that silver oxide exists in CS solutions ...why?
>
> There is little, if any, molecular oxygen atoms in d. water, and none
> produced at the anode,

Hun?  Electrolysis produces oxygen at the anode.
http://webhome.idirect.com/~famistew/hydrogen/electro.htm

> if silver is being ionised there as silver
> ionises at 0.79V as opposed to the 1.6V (or there abouts) required to
> rip oxygen from water molecules.
>

In the later stages of production, if the current is allowed to go way up, I
have seen bubbles produced at both electrodes.  If hydrogen is being
produced at the cathode, then 1/2 as much oxygen HAS to be produced at the
anode. You can't produce one without the other beyond the absorption level
of water.

>
> It is my understanding that the colour of CS solutions is a result of
> the particle size.
>

Absolutely.

>
> The greyish build up on the cathode is simply reduced silver ions, ie
> silver metal fluff.

I think there is silver oxide when the process is run too long.  First when
that happens the CS will get a bitter taste which I associate with being
alkaline.  With silver, hydrogen and oxygen as the only elements present,
silver oxide and silver hydroxide are the only compounds I know of that can
do this.  Theoretically silver hydroxide could be made at the cathode, and
silver oxide at the anode, where there is lots of free monoatomic hydrogen
or oxygen.  Silver hydroxide spontaneously degrades to silver oxide rather
quickly, so I believe that there can be trace amounts of it present in CS
that is "overdone", and that is what contributes the bitter taste.

Marshall

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Re: CS>colloidal gold

2002-01-25 Thread boberger

Hi Satchid,

Before you run off in the heat of the day without your blanket, I suggest that
you send a sample of you CG to the;

Kimball labs.
600 East 11800South
Draper, Utah 84020

Include $10.00 for the testing of CG. Then you will know what you have!!!

Basiclly if there is no color you have no CG. (been there done that)

"Ole Bob"  :-(




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Re: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

James said:

<>

  I agree, James, but I think you're being too kind :-) I wish we had 
free access to him with questions. Unfortunately, questions are 
being filtered.

Catherine


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RE: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

2002-01-25 Thread James Osbourne, Holmes

He is a dip.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Catherine Creel [mailto:ccr...@maine.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:44 AM
To: cancerc...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

I thought some of you might be interested in this.  Unfortunately, I think
questions he doesn't like will never make it to the public---Catherine

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/community/DailyNews/Community_Index.html#chat

   Fighting Medical Fraud
For 30 years, Dr. Stephen Barrett has been monitoring alternative therapies,
cataloguing what he says are bogus treatments. How can health consumers
distinguish fact from fallacy? Join Barrett in a live chat Friday at 1 p.m.
ET.  Send in a question!

Quiz a Quackbuster
Dr. Stephen Barrett on Health Fraud

Dr. Stephen Barrett
More than 1 million Americans are diagnosed with cancer every year and
studies suggest that many of them explore alternative therapies. But do the
treatments actually work?
"I wish the word 'alternative' would go away. It's quack cancer therapy,"
says consumer advocate Dr. Stephen Barrett, founder of Quackwatch.com, a
nonprofit organization designed to protect consumers from health-related
scams.

"Most people think that quackery is easy to spot," says Barrett. "Often it
is not. Its promoters wear the cloak of science. They use scientific terms
and quote - or misquote - scientific references."

How can health consumers distinguish fact from fallacy?

Watch Primetime Thursday, Jan. 24, at 10 p.m. ET and join our online
discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

Barrett, a retired psychiatrist, is vice president of the National Council
Against Health Fraud and a scientific adviser to the American Council on
Science and Health. In 1984, he received an FDA Commissioner's Special
Citation Award for Public Service in fighting nutrition quackery. He has
written 49 books on health fraud.

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RE: CS>colloidal gold

Willy,

Is the conductivity of your solution increasing?

Ivan

> -Original Message-
> From: Satchid [mailto:satc...@sevaproductions.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 12:04 a.m.
> To: *Silver-List* (E-mail)
> Subject: CS>colloidal gold
>
>
>
> Dear listers,
>
> Is it necessary to have a colored CG to have a working
> solution? Is it not
> as with CS that if more color (yellow for silver) that there is more
> particles clustered together. I find that when making CG that there
is
> already a good strong TE before the color is visible.
>
> Thank
>
> willy
>
>
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CS>colloidal gold

2002-01-25 Thread Satchid


Dear listers,

Is it necessary to have a colored CG to have a working solution? Is it not
as with CS that if more color (yellow for silver) that there is more
particles clustered together. I find that when making CG that there is
already a good strong TE before the color is visible.

Thank

willy


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RE: CS>fish aquarium air bubbler


Marshall,

You seem so sure that silver oxide exists in CS solutions ...why?

There is little, if any, molecular oxygen atoms in d. water, and none
produced at the anode, if silver is being ionised there as silver
ionises at 0.79V as opposed to the 1.6V (or there abouts) required to
rip oxygen from water molecules.

It is my understanding that the colour of CS solutions is a result of
the particle size.

The greyish build up on the cathode is simply reduced silver ions, ie
silver metal fluff.

Ivan.


-Original Message-
From: Marshall Jeffus [mailto:marshalljef...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 1:08 p.m.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>fish aquarium air bubbler


Thanks for the excellent suggestion.  Perhaps the bubbler whisks away
silver before it has a chance to burn.  If that's the case, it's the
movement of water that's important.  Burnt silver - that's silver
oxide, of course, which adds color to CS.  The darker the color, the
more of it, so I understand.  Also, what do you notice in the way of
oxide buildup on the electrode: the grayish solid stuff.  Less or
none?
What is your generator type?  LVDC or otherwise, what
voltage/amperage.  I'm new to all this and trying to find out what is
the best setup.
One other thing: what is your concentration (ppm).  My understanding
is that the clearer the liquid, the finer the particles.
Thanks for replying.  Like I said, I'm new to all this and am really
grateful for any input any of you may have out there on getting a
quality generator up and running.
Thanks,
Marshall
PS Melvin Wolf says that adding a very small drop of honey in
distilled water helps a lot.  Something about how it "fixes" the
electrical/magnetic properties of the water and allows for good
conduction without adding electrolyte.  Saw this on a web site.  What
do you know about this?
  Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
Marshall Jeffus ,
I use a small fish tank bubbler,  in a 2 qt glass jar. I get crystal
clear CS using the bubblier, and it stays clear. I put the bubblier in
the bottom of the jar, I use oxygen rated hose designed for breathing
bottled ox. with a stone defuser on bottom to slow the flow and make
tiny bubbles.  Some on the list said it was not the best way to do it,
so I tested for 2 days 48 hrs. using bubblier and not , my best CS was
using the bubbler...with out I got particles so large you could see
them , with bubblier, crystal clear.good luck...
Tel Tofflemire
Phoenix
Marshall Jeffus wrote:
 Please, more info on this aquarium air bubbler.  How is it used in
the process?  Do the air bubbles run over the silver electrodes?
  DJG  wrote:
I have heard this affects the CS while making it. Any comments?



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CS>online discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

I thought some of you might be interested in this.  Unfortunately, I think
questions he doesn't like will never make it to the public---Catherine

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/community/DailyNews/Community_Index.html#chat


   Fighting Medical Fraud
For 30 years, Dr. Stephen Barrett has been monitoring alternative therapies,
cataloguing what he says are bogus treatments. How can health consumers
distinguish fact from fallacy? Join Barrett in a live chat Friday at 1 p.m.
ET.  Send in a question!



Quiz a Quackbuster
Dr. Stephen Barrett on Health Fraud



Dr. Stephen Barrett
More than 1 million Americans are diagnosed with cancer every year and
studies suggest that many of them explore alternative therapies. But do the
treatments actually work?
"I wish the word 'alternative' would go away. It's quack cancer therapy,"
says consumer advocate Dr. Stephen Barrett, founder of Quackwatch.com, a
nonprofit organization designed to protect consumers from health-related
scams.

"Most people think that quackery is easy to spot," says Barrett. "Often it
is not. Its promoters wear the cloak of science. They use scientific terms
and quote - or misquote - scientific references."

How can health consumers distinguish fact from fallacy?

Watch Primetime Thursday, Jan. 24, at 10 p.m. ET and join our online
discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.

Barrett, a retired psychiatrist, is vice president of the National Council
Against Health Fraud and a scientific adviser to the American Council on
Science and Health. In 1984, he received an FDA Commissioner's Special
Citation Award for Public Service in fighting nutrition quackery. He has
written 49 books on health fraud.





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RE: CS>CS & Fulvic Acid