date:20031108

Hi Ode,

You've made a good point--we get sticks & injections of many types almost
daily; however, NOT IV--that's directly into the blood steam. Personally, I
believe good, properly made CS would be OK for sub-cutaneous injections,
with short needles; however, I don't recommend this to anyone else--besides,
CS sublingually goes directly into the blood stream, and when applied with a
wet dressing, penetrates & relieves sinus headaches, etc., so WHY inject?

By improving the formula with MSM & DMSO, you can get CS into the blood
stream without needles.

Best regards,
Richjard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Injectable Silver

  I don't see why home made CS that consists of only distilled water and
silver would not be injectable in exactly the same manner and with the same
precautions as injecting distilled water.
 There may be some risk of shock from distilled water injected in one big
dose, which is why an IV 'drip' is used in all cases mentioned.

CS by it's very nature should sterilize the water.

 Shucks. People survive much nastier injections many times daily... for
years on end... using tap water to dissolve powders of highly questionable
content and purity in.

 Incidently, All distilled water sold in the USA has been sterilized with
ozone.

Ode

At 08:48 PM 11/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I understand that homemade CS is not safe to be used IV (and I have no
plans
>of using silver for IV) but I am still very curious about it.  I tried to
>read more about it but the info is over my head.  I'm just wondering if CS
>could be made with Sterile Injectable Water (that doctors and vets use)
>instead of distilled water and be safe to use for IV?  Or would the process
>of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible contaminants
>during the process?
>
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RE: CS>Injectable Silver

2003-11-08 Thread James Holmes

Hello Richard,

Thank you for all of the helpful and interesting contributions.

Could you please briefly describe this process:

"[ independent compounding pharmacies] could use your CS and purify it, put
in injectable container"

Thank you,

JOH

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Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Richard Harris
Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver


Hi Jack & Lisa,

Many independent compounding pharmacies (yellow pages) have a portion of
their manufacturing area panelled off so they can make injectable
prescriptions. If they would cooperate with you, they could use your CS and
purify it, put in injectable container for you or for your DR.

Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:07 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Injectable Silver


Lisa MacDonald   11/7/03 4:48 PM  Wrote:

> Or would the process
> of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible 
> contaminants during the process?
***
See? You knew the answer all the time.

But, yes that is the reason.

Jack

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Re: CS>Injectable Silver

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Berger

Hi Nina,

Isotnoic saline is a catch 22 for silver ions !!! they would form AgCl.
However Stephen Quinto has some how so;lved that problem with his material.

"ole Bob"

Nina Whit wrote:

> Any Iv injection should be isotonic, if not redblood cells are
> hemolyzed, Procedures for giving IV CS uses isotonic saline with the IV.
> See Ward Dean MD procedure at his website


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RE: CS>CS & DMSO & Castor Oil

2003-11-08 Thread James Holmes

Has anyone checked out the systemic toxicity of undigested Castor oil?

The raw beans are deadly.  

It may be different to absorb the Castor oil directly into the bloodstream
using DMSO than drinking small amounts of it.

JOH

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 DMSO mixed with castor oil and applied to my abdomen

Emu oil is said to be good at penetrating skin.  Would this be an option
that might help penetration? Rowena


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RE: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO

2003-11-08 Thread James Holmes

Hello all,

Drinking a few Oz of 10 PPM Silver sol daily for several months  will
probably stop you from having any herpes outbreaks at all.

Several people I know, including myself, who had recurrent lesions, some
oral and some genital, no
longer have outbreaks. 

JOH

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From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:53 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO

BHT the food preservative kills Herpes, and all envelope viruses, like
Epstein Barr. There is info on www.keephopealive.com about its use. Most use
500 -1000 mg a day. The crystals are fat soluble so must be taken with a
high fat meal or you can dissolve them in oil and take that, and use it to
apply topically. I generally dissolve 1000 mg per 1 Tablespoon of oil. You
must shake it for about ten minutes, it will eventually all dissolve.

Other herbs for herpes:
Lomatium (I use Herb Pharm tincture)
Hypericum aka St John's Wort
Olive Leaf

Take 2 probiotic capsules every 4 hours for a couple days, helps
tremendously and used to be only thing I did for fever blisters. I live
Solaray Multidophilous as it has a good range of species.

I have heard that you can take Chapparal for 30 days and eliminate it from
your body. Have not tried it yet as I have not had an outbreak in a couple
years. The last one I had was pretty bad though and I did all of the above,
including 750 mg Olive Leaf every two hours for a few days. 

Funny thing is that the last place it broke out on my lip still tingles and
throbs, the front tooth on that side also, when I am really stressed, tired
or sick, but no blister? I have had it since I was 16 yo, am 49 now.

Garnet

On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 20:13, SilverTedEBear wrote:
> Hi Paula,
> 
> Yes, although I'm not sure whether it is HSV1 or HSV2
> as both can cause genital herpes as well as cold sores
> and you can get either one in either place.
> 
> 'Ted'
> 
> --- "sol pcarter-at-wyoming.com |SilverList|" 
>  wrote:
> > I missed the early posts in this thread. Is this
> > herpes simplex?
> > paula
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "SilverTedEBear" 
> > > That was my intention.  I was just curious as to
> > what
> > > would be a sufficient amount of DMSO would be to
> > carry
> > > enough of the CS through the skin to contact the
> > virus
> > > that hasn't surfaced.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, right now I'm going through a
> > period of
> > > back to back outbreaks so I'm almost constantly
> > have
> > > some symptom or another: burning, itching, pain,
> > > and/or lesions.  I'm trying to go at it from as
> > many
> > > directions as possible.  Internally by taking CS
> > > orally (about 4 oz. a day but I'm thinking of
> > > increasing it) as well as with DMSO topically to
> > get
> > > it into the skin/nerves wehre the virus is hiding,
> > and
> > > CS topically on lesions where the virus has made
> > it to
> > > the surface of the skin.
> > 
> > 
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RE: CS>CS Sprayed on Hair

Hi Simon,
I use CS as underarm deodorant each night and morning and after a shower &
shampoo, I towel-dry and pour a handful CS on my hair, rubbing in well, then
patting dry and combing. At age 80, my har is white; however, I have a full,
healthy head of hair.

Once my bald, smart aleck brother-in-law came to visit acconpanied his
lovely, new wife. He greeted me, "You Old Gray-headed rascal!"  She without
missing a beat retorted, "Better Gray, than Gone!" You can know she rates
HIGH with me!

If I can be of help, please let me know.
Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>CS Sprayed on Hair






  G'Day All

  Has anyone had any promising results with Colloidal Silver being sprayed
directly on to there hair.  I have been doing this twice a day for the past
two weeks and my partner tells me that my hair is going darker, which is
great as I am 47 and getting into the grey zone.  Is darker healthier!!!

  Regard

  Simon  (Australia))






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CS>sleep Apnia - Marshalee

2003-11-08 Thread



Dear Marshalee,
  I have sleep apnia also.  I have an extra nasal mask that I will send to you 
if you want it. The CPAP machine is an air compressor. You might check with 
some of the engineer types on the list to see if a small "pancake" oilless 
compressor set to 6 - 8 psi. would do the job.  They cost $40 and up. Beats 
the price of the CPAP.
Best Wishes,
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RE: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO

Hey, Jack & Ted,

If Ted or anyone's problem goes away, they probably don't care why. Chances
are they're already approaching the problem with a shotgun
(scattershot--many facits) treatment, hoping that any one or the combination
will do the job.

First Rule of Any Treatment: DO NO HARM! If I can be of help please let me
know.

Best regards,
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From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:19 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO


SilverTedEBear   11/7/03 5:50 PM  Wrote:

> Internally by taking CS
> orally (about 4 oz. a day but I'm thinking of
> increasing it)
*
That really sounds stubborn.
It would be safe to increase the CS you are taking
by a factor of 3 or 4 -- that amount should not cause
any problem, I have read of people taking much
greater amounts.

Of course when it does go away, you will
never know why.  Bummer

Jack

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RE: CS>Injectable Silver

Hi Jack & Lisa,

Many independent compounding pharmacies (yellow pages) have a portion of
their manufacturing area panelled off so they can make injectable
prescriptions. If they would cooperate with you, they could use your CS and
purify it, put in injectable container for you or for your DR.

Best regards,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:07 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Injectable Silver


Lisa MacDonald   11/7/03 4:48 PM  Wrote:

> Or would the process
> of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible contaminants
> during the process?
***
See? You knew the answer all the time.

But, yes that is the reason.

Jack

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RE: CS>Sleep Apnia

Dear Marshalee,

Insurance compamies are like all companies, in business to provide a service
and make enough extra above "payouts", overhead and a reasonable profit. I'm
sorry your company will not pay for your apnea treatments.

BUT, this list contains many talented, caring people Who DO care about YOU
and share many ideas to be sorted out and used or discarded if they help
YOU. Please don't be depressed--Your glass is indeed Half Full! You have
shared many problems through which life has brought you to this point and I
call you a WINNER!

One of these who care is Dr. Nenah Sylver at: www.nenahsylver.com Please go
to her beautiful, caring website and read and click on the information
offered--excellent Reading!

Please continue to share with us, read all replies and try those that might
help you. You have been a BIG to some who are suffering with problems that
you have already conquered and I congratulate you for your helpful replies
to them! Thank You! Thank You!

If I can be of help please let me know.
Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Sleep Apnia


Dear List,
Well it is a moot point if I have apnea or not, as I just found out the
insurance won`t help me with the machine. So, I can suffocate and die, they
don`t give a rat`s tail.
Poor folks don`t deserve to live, I`m finding out.
(Rather a shock after having had a hubby who made 60 bucks an hour...)
Needless to say, I`m rather depressed right now.
Only my dear little Pug makes me keep on.
Marshalee


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Re: CS>Sleep Apnea

2003-11-08 Thread George

>
>
>On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:49:25 -0700, mamapug  wrote:
>
>>How can poor folks afford all the expensive meat for the Atkins Diet??
>>Marshalee
>

My guess is the same way they could afford the food that made them fat. 

I have just returned from my weekly trip to the supermarket.  I spent $71.24 on 
various items (all Atkins /low carb related) which included 21 lbs of 
meat.  

The lady in front of me weighed every bit of 300 lbs.  Her two girls (11 & 13 
or so) together weighed about 250 lbs or so.  Her cart was filled to the 
top with cardboard boxes of prepared, ready to cook "food" and carbonated 
beverages.  Her total was $128.00 and change.  

On second thought, I don't have to guess.

George

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Re: CS>CS & DMSO & Castor Oil

2003-11-08 Thread David S Osborne

I dunno, Mike. I think the co taken internally as/for laxative
purposes would be a different effect than using it in a pack, applied
externally.
...also, it would be interesting to know how much ricin shows
up in the finished product with cold-pressed castor beans.

interesting article:
http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=4318
  The Bill McGarey mentioned is the expert [living] on co;
probably can be reached thru the A.R.E.Clinic, Phoenix, AZ  [believe they
have a website.]

Merridian Institute has lots of info on co on their site:

www.meridianinstitute.com/echerb/Files/supplier.html 

...Baar products has info and Fine castor oil in quatities pleasing
to us COP fanatics:

www.baar.com/sitemap_alpha.html

davido

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:34:56 -5 "M. G. Devour" 
writes:
> Greetings Elle,
> 
> David writes:
> > I would think it NOTA GOOD IDEA to mix Castor Oil n DMSO.
> > 
> > It is thought the CO has wonderful healing properties [and it is
> > stressed that the CO should be cold pressed]  and I would bet the 
> farm
> > that dmso would do a number on those said qualities.
> 
> I've been waiting to see what others had to say on this topic. I'm a 
> 
> fan of DMSO and I've heard enough about Castor Oil packs from 
> reliable 
> people to put them on my list of things to try someday. That said, I 
> 
> would be leery of combining the two unless I'd done enough research 
> to 
> be completely sure it wouldn't be dangerous.
> 
> The part of the castor bean that does the work is a powerful toxin 
> called Ricin. It's use as a purgative and, in your case, to loosen 
> adhesions, relates to its ability to disrupt cellular function in a 
> 
> limited way in limited doses. 
> 
> DMSO can act to potentiate the effects of the things it transports 
> by 
> vastly increasing permeability of cell membranes. That means that 
> the 
> medicinal -- or toxic -- effects of anything you apply with it can 
> be 
> made *many* times more powerful than when administered in the normal 
> 
> way. With the ricin in castor oil, could this maybe get dangerous?
> 
> So until you *know* the effects of ricin delivered into every cell 
> in 
> your body by the transport and potentiation ability of DMSO, I'd go 
> 
> very slowly, indeed.
> 
> A quick Google search led me to this page:
> 
>http://museum.gov.ns.ca/poison/castor.htm
> 
> I'd start with www.dmso.org and follow every link and check out 
> every 
> report I can find about clinical uses of DMSO, to see if there was 
> any 
> prior art for the combination you're thinking about. Contact Dr. 
> Jacobs 
> or his associates and ask them your questions.
> 
> I don't want you to stop studying the idea on account of my caution. 
> 
> After all, I don't have any answers myself, only questions. But 
> please 
> be sure you know what you're doing before you start testing this 
> idea.
> 
> Meanwhile, if the plain CO packs are known to work, then give 'em a 
> try 
> as written.
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.
> 
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RE: CS>CS & DMSO & Castor Oil

Hi Elle,

As I mentioned in previous messages, this is NOT my original formula, but
sounded so good that I mixed it and used it in my $20 Walgreen's Ultrasonic
Humidifier and the vapor indeed showed a bright TE, which demonstrated that
the CS, et al, was on the way to helping the sufferer.

I misplaced an article on MSM & DMSO. but it'll turn up someplace. It stated
that: DMSO has the property of immediately penetrating skin and taking
anything mixed in with it; MSM is in every body cell and goes by the
chemical desigination of DMSO2; it stated that in the body as it is being
used, one turns into the other and vice versa--Interesting thought! I take
MSM daily along with Vit C, E, Lecithin and Seasilver. If needed, I apply
DMSO to any clean area to penetrate & relieve pain (which I seldon have,
even at age 80). I have experimented by adding Aspirin & other pain
relievers to DMSO & applying on the painful area--with almost Instant
Relief.

I commend you for experimenting with DMSO & Castor Oil--It might not
dissolve in a clear solution, but I'm reasonable assured that by rubbing the
greasy mixture on the CLEAN area you'll get penetration and I await your
report to us as to the effectiveness of treatment and "What" you were using
it for.

Thanks for your addition to this interesting list. If I can be of help,
please let me know.

Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>CS & DMSO & Castor Oil



Hi Richard, and all

What is the reason behind mixing MSM and DMSO?  Just wondering.  I ordered
some DMSO which should arrive next week, and will see if it mixes with cator
oil.  I'm just wondering if there might be a good reason for not using this
combination.  Any thoughts?

Elle

>From: "Richard Harris" 

>
>Hi Nenah,
>I would recommend: 4 oz CS (10-20 ppm); in a glass (non Metal) stir into
>the
>CS as much MSM powder or crystals (adding slowly) as will dissolve; if too
>much MSM added, decant the clear solution and to this 4 oz. add 1 oz. DMSO
>(99.9%--a liquid) and apply to clean affected area as often as
>desired--probably 2 or 3 times a day. As far as adding Castor Oil--I've
>never tried it, but feel that the oil/water mixture might not penetrate the
>skin as well.
>
>Not meaning to make light of this, but this formula and all DMSO mixtures
>of
>which I am aware would penetrate human skin--whether or not your dog's
>stomach area, I can't say. I would try it if I had a pet with such a
>problem--I don't foresee any harm. May I suggest that you try these
>mixtures
>and share with us as to your success. I certainly wish for 100% success for
>you and your dog.
>
>Best regards,
>Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
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Re: CS>Re: Epstein-Barr & Candida

2003-11-08 Thread Jannette Abel

Elle,
Lauricidin is derived from coconut oil, which naturally has about 45% lauric
acid.  In our digestive tracts, the lauric acid is converted to monolaurin.
It would be cheaper to use virgin coconut oil in your diet and reap ALL the
benefits of this food in your fight against EB and candida.  Check this site
for links for more research:
http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/store/research_on_the_health_benefits.htm

http://www.netasia.net/users/UCAP/news-feb-18-1999.htm

HTH,
Jannette

 From: "silversurfer1952 ." 

 > I have the Epstein-Barr virus too, and probably have intestinal candida.
I
> just read over at the Yahoo Stealth-Virus list that Lauricidin works quite
> well, at least for some, on Epstein-Barr.  I think the Lauricidin
penetrates
> the lipid envelope of the EB virus.  Also, the inventor of Lauricidin, Dr
J.
> Kabara, wrote to me today saying that he has had positive reports about
> Lauricidin working against candida.  I think the dose is 2 or 3 scoops per
> day.  Have you tried this product, or heard of it?  I also read that
> Bromelain can potentiate the effect of Lauricidin.  I should write the
good
> doctor back and ask him about that.
>
> Elle



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Re: CS>Sleep Apnea

2003-11-08 Thread Jannette Abel

Marshalee,
I also had the very same idea when I decided to adopt the Eat Right for Your
Blood Type lifestyle.  As an O+ blood type (dh is B+), and going from a
semi-vegetarian, high carb diet, it seemed that this would kill my
budget...better it than us, I decided.  However, after purchasing a freezer
(cheap, so buying meat on sale really saves), and really cutting out the
Avoid foods, I now see that we do not spend any more on food than we used
to.  It is amazing how expensive the sugars, fruit juices and carbohydrates
really are!  It balances out in he end.  What took a while was dh being a
"B" could eat more carbs than I could; so for a while I was shopping for
both lifestyles.  Two years later, he is now as low carb as I am, so it's
all evened out.   We'll see what happens when my 15 y/o stepson comes to
live with us in January...he is blood type A or AB.  Although he can eat
more carbs, he has cholesterol problems already, and should lose about 10 -
15lbs.  so, at least for a while, he'll be low carbing also, but his protein
choices are very different from "O"s and "B"sso up goes the food bill
again!  LOL!  I'd rather spend the money on food than on prescriptions,
however!!!

Jannette

 From: "mamapug" 


>
> Dear Chuck,
> How can poor folks afford all the expensive meat for the Atkins Diet??
> Marshalee
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Re: CS>Re: Lysine

2003-11-08 Thread SilverTedEBear

Thanks for the info Elle.

'Ted'

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> 
> Hi Ted,
> 
> When I feel an out-break coming on, or even if it
> has already broken, I take 
> a full gram two or three times a day.  I find that
> the heal-over rate is 
> much faster when I do this.  Also, as you probably
> know, it's important to 
> take individual amino acids on an empty stomach and
> wait 1/2hour or longer 
> before eating.  I think taking vitamin C potentiates
> the effect of Lysine 
> when taken together... if anyone knows different,
> please chime in.
> 
> Elle
> 
> >From: "SilverTedEBear" 
> >
> >Paula,
> >
> >Yes, I've been reading about the Arginine in food. 
> I
> >tried using lysine when I first started getting
> >outbreaks but I couldn't tell where it helped that
> >much.  I can't recall what amount I was taking as
> that
> >was a while ago, but I may try again at the levels
> you
> >stated or higher.
> >
> >'Ted'
> 
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Re: CS>Injectable Silver

2003-11-08 Thread Stuff

I'm making CS with IW but not injecting until I find out a lot more. I see 
no need to inject for now.


However, my IW label on the bottle says that when injected it causes hemolysis.

Stuff

At 08:48 PM 11/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
I understand that homemade CS is not safe to be used IV (and I have no 
plans of using silver for IV) but I am still very curious about it.  I 
tried to read more about it but the info is over my head.  I'm just 
wondering if CS could be made with Sterile Injectable Water (that doctors 
and vets use) instead of distilled water and be safe to use for IV?  Or 
would the process of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to 
possible contaminants during the process?


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Re: CS>Sleep Apnea

2003-11-08 Thread Dean Miller

On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:49:25 -0700, "mamapug" 
wrote:

>
>Dear Chuck,
>How can poor folks afford all the expensive meat for the Atkins Diet??
>Marshalee

Eggs cooked in lard will do it.  Some breakfast sausage is cheap, too.
Pork, with lots of fat, is really good.

Cutting out the carbs and greatly increasing fat will 1) increase
energy and 2) stop the "always hungry" feeling that carbs produce.

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Re: CS>Sleep Apnea

2003-11-08 Thread CKing001

C'mon Marshalee
I know you're not stupid, and I know you're a mother and grandmother and had to
feed a family.
Eggs are what, a nickel apiece?
Just about a perfect food.

Can't buy the book? Go to the library...
Now what?
Chuck

Wisdom is knowing what you should do next. Virtue is doing it.

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 10:49:25 -0700, mamapug  wrote:

>Dear Chuck,
>How can poor folks afford all the expensive meat for the Atkins Diet??
>Marshalee

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Re: CS>Sleep Apnia

2003-11-08 Thread sol

Chuck,
  That's one of your best siggy lines ever--thanks for the good laugh.
paula
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Re: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO / SHEGOI

2003-11-08 Thread sol

Just guessing but wouldn't mixing CS with oils, essential or
otherwise, make it a whole lot less effective? Didn't someone say way
back that using CS as the water portion of handmade creams did not
stop mold growth? It seemed to me that an oil would "coat" the silver
ions/particles, rendering them unable to contact and kill bacteria.
Am I way off?
paula
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From: "Nenah Sylver" 
> Anyway, the air quality had been a real problem for me. I had been
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Re: CS>New member--IV silver, lyme, candida

2003-11-08 Thread sol

Hmmm,
If you really want to use essential oils instead of CS, you might try
lavender essential oil, neat, with a few drops of Myrrh oil. I know
Tea Tree Oil is the most often recommended for nail fungus, athlete's
foot etc, but I personally can't stand the smell of it. I did find a
lavender/tea tree combination oil that wasn't too awful though.
Soaking in CS then putting on straight lavender essential oil is good
for a lot of infections in my experience. Though something in using
the two does stain the skin brown.
I have never found Tea Tree oil soothing or pain relieving at all.
Lavender, however, does both, and very fast. It's very good for insect
stings and bites, and miraculous for burns.
paula
- Original Message - 
From: "Tad Winiecki" 



> Vinegar for nail fungus- Sorry, my memory was bad, it wasn't on Dr.
> Mercola's website.  Also, I stick my fingers in the vinegar instead
of just
> dropping some on.  If my skin is irritated enough for the vinegar to
sting,
> I put on some Tea Tree Oil mixed with vitamin E or some Tea Tree Oil
lotion
> and it soothes it.  It was this website:
>
> http://www.askwaltstollmd.com/fungus.html
>
> Nancy
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RE: CS>DMSO transport properties

2003-11-08 Thread Nina Whit

DMSO is a Rx product called Rimso used by urologists for interstitial
cystitis.


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Re: CS>Injectable Silver

2003-11-08 Thread Nina Whit

Any Iv injection should be isotonic, if not redblood cells are
hemolyzed, Procedures for giving IV CS uses isotonic saline with the IV.
See Ward Dean MD procedure at his website


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Re: CS>Sleep Apnea & Atkins type diet

2003-11-08 Thread silversurfer1952 .



Hi Marshalee :)

I feed two cats a mostly raw meat diet, and I also eat a fair amount of 
meat... it seems to suit me.  All of this can indeed run on the expensive 
side.  My best advice is to buy meats that are "on special" whenever you 
can.   You can also supplement good quaility eggs (organically raised) at a 
reasonable price... eaten raw, they're a good source of quality protein.


Elle


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Dear Chuck,
How can poor folks afford all the expensive meat for the Atkins Diet??
Marshalee



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CS>One gal., 25PPM; 5 minutes

2003-11-08 Thread Matthew McCann PE

It was definitely
originally for
plumbing, so I
guess you are
right.

RE: CS>Fasting with CS

2003-11-08 Thread Rob Combis

Garnet-
I am reading this book called 'Folk Medicine' by DC Jarvis.  It has to do with 
natural healthcare.  The individual who wrote the book was a doctor.  He grew 
up on the farms in Vermont and he used to study animals and watch what they did 
when they got sick.  He said he noticed that when a certain animal was sick 
with a fever or something, it would find a comfortably place to rest near a 
water supply and just rest and drink water until it was better.  I really don't 
know how he studied this, but I think the power of a juice fast is remarkable.  
A water fast takes more dedication because your body will probably be very 
hungry.  Below is a cut and paste from the herbal remedies yahoo group about a 
juice fast.  It has a pretty good explanation on what it does.  I found it 
interesting and I hope you do too.  I know it is a little off topic, but I feel 
it is well woth while...
Rob

This cleansing program purifies the body so it can heal more easily. If you are 
overweight, this program will take you down to your normal weight; if you are 
underweight, it will bring you up to normal. The entire purpose of the program 
is to eliminate mucus from the body, which will simplify healing.
Dr. Christopher always said that there are no incurable diseases, but only 
people who think they are incurable. He offered this cleansing program as an 
essential part of healing virtually any infirmity.
The cleansing program will:
*Clean the mucus out of the body; mucus is the source of polyps, tumors,
 cysts, etc. and also the cause of allergies, disease, pain, and death.
  *Give you foods that are alive, nutritious and healthful, foods which can 
rebuild your body.
*Provide you with herbal formulas and corrective aids to facilitate 
healing and regeneration of the body.
*Release static electricity from the body to eliminate frustrations and
 confusions.
The Three Day Juice Cleanse
Detoxification:
To begin, you will have three days detoxification (body purification)
thereapy, and then proceed with the diet outlined hereafter. This three-day 
cleanse is taken in part from Dr. N. W. Walker's book, Raw Vegetable 
Juices, "To Detoxicate," Phoenix, AZ:  Norwalk press, Publishers, P.O. Box 
13206.
Supreme cleanliness is the first step towards a healthy body. Any toxins 
within us will retard our progress towards recovery. The natural eliminative 
channels are the lungs, the pores of the skin, the kidneys, and the bowels. 
When we perspire, our sweat glands throuw off toxins which would be toxic to 
us if retained. The kidneys excrete the end products of food and body 
metabolism from the liver. The bowels eliminate not only the food waste but
also matter known as body waste, in the form of used-up cells and tissues, 
the  result of our physical and mental activities, which if retained can 
cause protein putrefaction, resulting in toxemia or acidosis.
Retaining such body waste is much more damaging to our helath than is 
generally suspected, and when we begin to cleanse it, we experience perceptible
 progress. One efficient method to eliminate it quickly, particularly for 
adults, is the following procedure:
First thing in the morning upon arising, drink 16 ounces or more of prune 
juice. The purpose of this is not primarily to empty the bowels, which it will 
do anyway, but rather to draw into the intestines from every part of the body 
such toxic matter as may be there, and eliminate it through the bowels.

Take one or two tablespoons of olive oil three times a day, to aid in
 lubricating bile and liver ducts.
To prevent dehydration, and to alkalinize the body as it cleanses, drink 
at least two quarts of fruit juices, preferably freshly made. You might choose
 apple, carrot, grape, citrus, tomato, etc. but for the one chosen, use it 
exclusively for the three days, and chew each mouthful thoroughly.
CARROT JUICE
Use this without diluting as directed below.
CITRUS JUICE
If you live where citrus is grown, make a combination. Use four to six 
grapefruit, two to three lemons, and enough oranges to make two quarts. Dilute 
with two quarts of water, making one gallon. Proceed as below.
GRAPE JUICE
Use unsweetened juice without additives or preservatives. Bottled juice is
 better than frozen, which often contains sugar and usually contains additives 
not listed on the label. The best juice would be homemade, unsweetened, but you 
can buy organic grape juice at the health food store which is excellent. People 
have had good results using grape juice from the grocery, such as Welch's, 
Church, Tea Garden, Queen Isabell--just check the label to be sure it has no 
additives. Dilute half and half with water.
APPLE JUICE
Use freshly pressed apple juice if available, from unsprayed, organic 
apples if possible. Making your own apple juice is ideal. You can also use 
bottled apple juice, if it contains no preservatives or chemicals of any kind. 
Do not use frozen ju

Re: CS>Sleep Apnea

2003-11-08 Thread mamapug


Dear Chuck,
How can poor folks afford all the expensive meat for the Atkins Diet??
Marshalee


> Heh, sounds like some vicious cycles at work.
>
> My own experience was that I had to give up my martial arts classes
because of
> a heart condition. Without the exercise, I ballooned into obesity.
> I noticed breathing irregularities in certain positions that I never had
before.
>
> In taking control, I seriously went Atkins and dropped 30 lb.
> The breathing took care of itself.
>
> Point being, poor or rich, a person CAN be responsible and often CAN
correct
> their own problems.
>
> Somtimes tough love means loving youself enough to care enough.
>
> Chuck
>
> 96.37% of all statistics are made up
>
>
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:46:42 -0700, sol  wrote:
>
> >Chuck,
> >  Actually, my friend lost quite a lot of weight after getting her
> >CPAP machine. Doctor told her the apnea makes you so tired that you
> >eat more, trying to gain energy. Worked for her, anyway. When she was
> >able to sleep, she ate less, no diet or anything, weird, huh? Maybe I
> >need to get tested!
> >paula
> >- Original Message -
> >From: 
> >
> >
> >> Apnea is often a condition of being overweight.
> >>
> >> Chuck
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CS>Fasting with CS

Another health list I am frequently discusses their experiences with
fasting. I am curious if anyone here has used CS water and fasting to
overcome a health issue. I suppose when we are sick and can not eat but
merely drink fluids this is a form of enforced fasting.

Garnet


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Re: CS>Sleep Apnia

2003-11-08 Thread CKing001

Heh, sounds like some vicious cycles at work.

My own experience was that I had to give up my martial arts classes because of
a heart condition. Without the exercise, I ballooned into obesity. 
I noticed breathing irregularities in certain positions that I never had before.

In taking control, I seriously went Atkins and dropped 30 lb.
The breathing took care of itself.

Point being, poor or rich, a person CAN be responsible and often CAN correct
their own problems.

Somtimes tough love means loving youself enough to care enough.

Chuck

96.37% of all statistics are made up

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:46:42 -0700, sol  wrote:

>Chuck,
>  Actually, my friend lost quite a lot of weight after getting her
>CPAP machine. Doctor told her the apnea makes you so tired that you
>eat more, trying to gain energy. Worked for her, anyway. When she was
>able to sleep, she ate less, no diet or anything, weird, huh? Maybe I
>need to get tested!
>paula
>- Original Message - 
>From: 
>
>
>> Apnea is often a condition of being overweight.
>>
>> Chuck

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Re: CS>Just a "snip" from another list(.H2O2 list)

2003-11-08 Thread Grant

Not my words, just a snip posted from another list to let c/s members 
know  what others are saying..


Grant..

sol wrote:


Actually, it is ozone that is toxic, silver is not.
paula

- Original Message -
From: Grant 
--I've been using H202 for maybe 3 to 4 years.  But I only
take baths every once in a while.  I guess I used to take
baths more.
--I recently got a medical ozone machine, and an oxygen
concentrator to go with it.  I've been considering this for a
couple of years at least!
http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/
--I think the use of SILVER for healing should be considered
carefully in light of the fact silver can be TOXIC.  I am aware





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Re: CS>Cleaning with CS

It takes a special tool to remove the tub. I know because the repair man
showed me when I asked if I could do it myself. It did not look like an
expensive tool. Part of our problem was we were washing a lot of doggy
blankets and the hair made a nice mat for the grease to collect in, when
I used those washing discs that really did nothing to remove grease,
although they did remove dirt pretty well, but so does warm water.

Garnet

On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 17:10, Jack Dayton wrote:
> sol   11/7/03 7:43 AM  Wrote:
> 
> > The acid does
> > help remove build up under the agitator, and around the tub in all
> > those places we can't clean. If water gets there scum builds up over
> > time.
> **
> 
> Hi Paula,
> probably most agitators are held in place
> with a screw-on top cap, which when unscrewed
> allows the agitator to be lifted off making for easy
> access to that area.
> 
> Jack
> 
> Be Nice
> 
> 
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Re: CS>CS and the Immune System

Not everyone had an adequate immune response when exposed to a cold or
flu, so they get more than their share. 

Stress = high cortisol levels = depressed immune function. 

Add stress to the high carb diet that most of us indulge in and you have
an acid metabolism in a stressed out body, not good for immun function.

Immune enhancing herbs are well and good but many should NOT be taken
regularly like Echinacea and Golden Seal which are often over used.
Echinacea enhances Killer T Cells but you do not want this turned on all
the time. Golden Seal can be liver toxic when taken over a long period
of time. There are many others like Ashwaganda, Astragalus, Oregon
Grape, and others. Each has its own action on the immune system. 

Garnet

On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 12:58, Jack Dayton wrote:
> silversurfer1952 .   11/6/03 8:58 PM  Wrote:
> 
> > At the risk of raising some people's ire, isn't it a good idea to let our
> > bodies get the occasional cold?  Doesn't that help strenghthen the immune
> > system?  Are we trying to *replace* the immune system by taking CS all the
> > time, or what?  I'm not attacking anyone or any point of view.  I'm just
> > questioning.  If, for example, Marshalee got a cold shortly after stopping
> > her CS, that tells me that CS doesn't boost the immune system, but rather
> > works very much like an anti-biotic/anti-viral.  Not that that's a bad
> > thing, I don't know.  It just seems to me that unless there are very clear
> > reasons for taking CS all the time, are we not doing our immune systems a
> > disservice by not challenging it with the odd cold or flu?
> ***
> 
> Hi Elle,
> 
> I see that has occured to both you and
> Ode Coyote. I have noticed that many CSers
> are ignoring the power of the immune system -
> let us not sell it short at our peril.
> 
> A recent article was deploring the excessive
> use of "Germ fighters" - aerosol sprays,and hand
> soaps, because the writer  maintained that the practice
> weakened the ability of the immune system to respond
> when an invader launched an attack that our immune
> system was unprepared to deal with.
> 
> If, as a child, I had dropped something I was eating on to the floor
> I would have been told by my grandmother --
> " You have to eat a peck of dirt before you die"
> 
> I have been involved with the production and use of CS
> for about a year ( I bought my first generator) - BUT
> I haven't had a cold since 1955, of flu since 1972,
> but as Ode pointed out, by 1972 the only teeth which
> I had, had been made for me by a dentist !
> Not all genes are created equal !
> 
> There are nutritional supplements whose purported
> use will BOOST the power of our immune systems,
> and a good investment they might be if some listers
> are experiencing less that robust good health.
> 
> CS does not replace our immune systems !
> 
> Jack
> 
> Be Nice
> 
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RE: CS>DMSO


I buy it from my horse vet for $7.50 per 16 oz bottle. Some feed stores
carry it and you can order it from Jeffers Vet Supply, a wholesale farm
supply catalog, www.jeffers.com. They also have the best price on MSM,
Animed brand, about $8 a lb.

Garnet

On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 12:05, Richard Harris wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: kittykat [mailto:kittyka...@foxvalley.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:01 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>DMSO
> 
> 
> I would like to start using DMSO in my nebulizer to clear out my lungs even
> more than the CS does.  Can I just buy it from a health food store?  How
> much would I put in the cup and is it liquid or powder?
> 
> Thanks for your help listers.
> Debbie
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Re: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO

BHT the food preservative kills Herpes, and all envelope viruses, like
Epstein Barr. There is info on www.keephopealive.com about its use. Most
use 500 -1000 mg a day. The crystals are fat soluble so must be taken
with a high fat meal or you can dissolve them in oil and take that, and
use it to apply topically. I generally dissolve 1000 mg per 1 Tablespoon
of oil. You must shake it for about ten minutes, it will eventually all
dissolve.

Other herbs for herpes:
Lomatium (I use Herb Pharm tincture)
Hypericum aka St John's Wort
Olive Leaf

Take 2 probiotic capsules every 4 hours for a couple days, helps
tremendously and used to be only thing I did for fever blisters. I live
Solaray Multidophilous as it has a good range of species.

I have heard that you can take Chapparal for 30 days and eliminate it
from your body. Have not tried it yet as I have not had an outbreak in a
couple years. The last one I had was pretty bad though and I did all of
the above, including 750 mg Olive Leaf every two hours for a few days. 

Funny thing is that the last place it broke out on my lip still tingles
and throbs, the front tooth on that side also, when I am really
stressed, tired or sick, but no blister? I have had it since I was 16
yo, am 49 now.

Garnet

On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 20:13, SilverTedEBear wrote:
> Hi Paula, 
> 
> Yes, although I'm not sure whether it is HSV1 or HSV2
> as both can cause genital herpes as well as cold sores
> and you can get either one in either place.
> 
> 'Ted'  
> 
> --- "sol pcarter-at-wyoming.com |SilverList|"
>  wrote:
> > I missed the early posts in this thread. Is this
> > herpes simplex?
> > paula
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "SilverTedEBear" 
> > > That was my intention.  I was just curious as to
> > what
> > > would be a sufficient amount of DMSO would be to
> > carry
> > > enough of the CS through the skin to contact the
> > virus
> > > that hasn't surfaced.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, right now I'm going through a
> > period of
> > > back to back outbreaks so I'm almost constantly
> > have
> > > some symptom or another: burning, itching, pain,
> > > and/or lesions.  I'm trying to go at it from as
> > many
> > > directions as possible.  Internally by taking CS
> > > orally (about 4 oz. a day but I'm thinking of
> > > increasing it) as well as with DMSO topically to
> > get
> > > it into the skin/nerves wehre the virus is hiding,
> > and
> > > CS topically on lesions where the virus has made
> > it to
> > > the surface of the skin.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: CS>Sleep Apnia

2003-11-08 Thread Val Morten

have you beentested for lymes??
roger
> 
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:08:00 -0700 "mamapug"  writes:
>  Dear List,  Well it is a moot point if I have apnea or not, as I just
> found out
>  the insurance won`t help me with the machine. Dear Marshalee-
> 
> DEAR MARSHALEE
> 
> I also have sleep apnea.  I was falling asleep after five
> minutes of inactivity.  I was falling asleep while driving,
> etc.  I did a sleep study at an ACCREDITED SLEEP CENTER.
> Out of 472 minutes of sleep I woke up 490 times.  I also
> had several episdes where I stopped breathing entirely.
> 
> I have HIP however my policy did not cover Medical Devices.
> However, the Director of the Sleep Center wrote directly
> to HIP and told them that my life depended on me getting
> a CPAP machine.  There is a special provision and monies
> set aside for life threatening conditions that require equipment
> which the person cannot afford.  Thats the way I got my first
> machine.  However, as time went on, I had to go in for another
> sleep study, and it was determined that I needed a BIPAP.
> That machine cost $1500.  They would not buy it outright,
> however, they rented it at the rate of something like $250
> per month--until my condition improved.  Since it did not
> improve--After a few months, I owned the machine outright.
> 
> No it is not sexy and I too am claustrophobic.  I would pull the
> machine off in the middle of the night in my sleep.  After a
> while though, you get accustomed to it.  And you really sleep
> probably for the first time in  years.  You will notice a difference.
> 
> Sleep Apnea is a life threatening disease.  Mention what I have
> said to your doctor--Contact the insurance company again.
> Last resort contact the company that makes the machine--they
> may have a special plan or a way to force your insurance company
> to pay...
> 
> If  you need more help, I will put you in touch with my people.
> Let me know
> 
> Gladys
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Re: CS>CS & DMSO & Castor Oil

2003-11-08 Thread Rowena Evans

 DMSO mixed with castor oil and applied to my abdomen

Emu oil is said to be good at penetrating skin.  Would this be an
option that might help penetration?
Rowena


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RE: CS>CS and the Immune System

2003-11-08 Thread Rob Combis

Here is my quick view on CS and the immune system.  Our bodies use energy 
everyday to digest food, proper muscle function, proper organ function and on 
top of that fighting bacteria, virus and other pathogens.  CS helps your body 
to fight off these infections leaving energy to perform other tasks.  I will 
give an example.  I have an individual who before 6 months ago was also having 
respiratory sicknesses, bronchial infections and basic problems with her lungs. 
 She was always on antibiotics and would get the same sicknesses over and over. 
 She started taking CS and hasn't been on antibiotics for 5 months or so.  She 
also has not been sick for this duration until last week.  She got really bad 
symptoms in her lungs.  Like she was having a bronchial infection.  She was 
really scared that she was going to end up in the hospital again.  I focused 
her attention on taking CS and Echinacea/goldenseal, vitamin C and Zinc.  She 
was getting worse though.  Why I thought??  Well her body had more energy from 
not taking antibiotics and taking CS.  And her body was going through a 
retracing of old symptoms, a healing reaction or crisis.  You see for the body 
to get better is must address old sickness and areas of the body that have been 
'damaged'.  I continued her on the CS and other stuff and also had her focus on 
increasing the efficiency of her elimination organs through distilled water 
with fresh lemon and taking very hot baths with Epsom salts.  Today she is much 
better and she did not take antibiotics!!!  Her body was using the excess 
energy to address old problem areas.  I think many people do not understand or 
buy into the fact of a healing reaction and retracing.  It is real.  Many 
people think they are sick, but really the symptoms they are facing is the 
bodies way of healing itself.

Well CS is part of this process.  She also changed a few things in her diet, 
but not much.  The goal of alternative medicine is to give the body ingredients 
to heal itself.  It needs energy to do this and CS helps this process along.  
Well those are my thoughts and if one does a search on healing reactions and 
retracing, there are loads of articles to better explain what I am talking 
about.

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:27 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS and the Immune System

  I use the 3 breaths/ 3 steps rule.
 Pick up food off the floor.
 Blow on it 3 times to remove as many crunchies as possible and sterilize it.
 Eat that thang!

 Ode

At 10:58 AM 11/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>silversurfer1952 .   11/6/03 8:58 PM  Wrote:
>
>> At the risk of raising some people's ire, isn't it a good idea to let our
>> bodies get the occasional cold?  Doesn't that help strenghthen the immune
>> system?  Are we trying to *replace* the immune system by taking CS all the
>> time, or what?  I'm not attacking anyone or any point of view.  I'm just
>> questioning.  If, for example, Marshalee got a cold shortly after stopping
>> her CS, that tells me that CS doesn't boost the immune system, but rather
>> works very much like an anti-biotic/anti-viral.  Not that that's a bad
>> thing, I don't know.  It just seems to me that unless there are very clear
>> reasons for taking CS all the time, are we not doing our immune systems a
>> disservice by not challenging it with the odd cold or flu?
>***
>
>Hi Elle,
>
>I see that has occured to both you and
>Ode Coyote. I have noticed that many CSers
>are ignoring the power of the immune system -
>let us not sell it short at our peril.
>
>A recent article was deploring the excessive
>use of "Germ fighters" - aerosol sprays,and hand
>soaps, because the writer  maintained that the practice
>weakened the ability of the immune system to respond
>when an invader launched an attack that our immune
>system was unprepared to deal with.
>
>If, as a child, I had dropped something I was eating on to the floor
>I would have been told by my grandmother --
>" You have to eat a peck of dirt before you die"
>
>I have been involved with the production and use of CS
>for about a year ( I bought my first generator) - BUT
>I haven't had a cold since 1955, of flu since 1972,
>but as Ode pointed out, by 1972 the only teeth which
>I had, had been made for me by a dentist !
>Not all genes are created equal !
>
>There are nutritional supplements whose purported
>use will BOOST the power of our immune systems,
>and a good investment they might be if some listers
>are experiencing less that robust good health.
>
>CS does not replace our immune systems !
>
>Jack
>
>Be Nice
>
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Re: CS>Injectable Silver

2003-11-08 Thread Val Morten

there is some info under mildsilverprotein, do a search, i donot rember
the web address, i found one from canada with 5000ppm the really workes
oraly, but you must drink distilled water ony with it, the7 have a 
10,000 ppm for dr.use to.roger
> 
> I understand that homemade CS is not safe to be used IV (and I have no plans
> of using silver for IV) but I am still very curious about it.  I tried to
> read more about it but the info is over my head.  I'm just wondering if CS
> could be made with Sterile Injectable Water (that doctors and vets use)
> instead of distilled water and be safe to use for IV?  Or would the process
> of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible contaminants
> during the process?
> 
> Lisa


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Re: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO / SHEGOI

2003-11-08 Thread David Bearrow

Just buy chaparral leaves as a bulk herb. You can get 1 pound of cut leaves 
for around $10. You then brew it as a tea in boiling water. About 2 
tablespoons in a cup of boiling water. Steep for 10 minutes. Strain. Then 
drink. A pound should last you a couple of years. Any bulk herb store sells 
it. For example:

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/store/cherbs_3.html


At 07:34 AM 11/8/03, you wrote:

- Original Message -
From: "SilverTedEBear" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO
> Unfortunately, right now I'm going through a period of
> back to back outbreaks so I'm almost constantly have
> some symptom or another: burning, itching, pain,
> and/or lesionsI was
> taking a product called Herp-Eeze that contained
> Larreastat made from the chaparral plant that really
> seemed to help prevent outbreaks but the
> distributorship is changing so the product I was
> taking no longer includes it and the new formula does
> not work for me. Larreastat is being distributed
> under a new name and is available again but the only
> place I've found is at twice the price of what I paid
> before, but if I don't get much relief soon I may
> order it anyway.


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Re: CS>Just a "snip" from another list(.H2O2 list)

2003-11-08 Thread Robert Berger

Hi Grant,

Let's get our chemistry straight!  Silver is not a heavy metal it is
what is known as a noble metal as is gold and platinum. The heavy metals
start with lead which has an atomic weight of 200. Silver is 107.

Silver is not toxic!!

"Ole Bob"




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Re: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO / SHEGOI

2003-11-08 Thread Nenah Sylver

- Original Message - 
From: "SilverTedEBear" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Fwd: CS & DMSO
> Unfortunately, right now I'm going through a period of
> back to back outbreaks so I'm almost constantly have
> some symptom or another: burning, itching, pain,
> and/or lesionsI was
> taking a product called Herp-Eeze that contained
> Larreastat made from the chaparral plant that really
> seemed to help prevent outbreaks but the
> distributorship is changing so the product I was
> taking no longer includes it and the new formula does
> not work for me. Larreastat is being distributed
> under a new name and is available again but the only
> place I've found is at twice the price of what I paid
> before, but if I don't get much relief soon I may
> order it anyway.

'Ted',
It sounds as though the "Larreastat" you had been taking is now the formulation
called "Shegoi." The plant is called Larrea tridentata.

An acupuncturist-Qigong instructor friend of mine whom I trust reported great
results with it recently. The stuff comes in capsules and also a spray, which a
client of his used to eliminate shingles. Knowing that I still have some health
issues, he sent me a bottle to try.

The most surprising thing to me is that a chronic sinus infection I've had for
decades is starting to clear up. This is no small feat, because one, since the
sinus region consists of hollow cavities that easily trap all sorts of
pollutants and contaminants, infections there can be really hard to eliminate.
Two, I live in the second most polluted COUNTY in the United States, according
to the Environmental Defense website. New York state gets all the emissions from
the factories in the Midwest. The factories have been particularly polluting
because the Environmental Protection Agency's policy allows factories a certain
number of "pollution credits." The Midwest companies found it cheaper to keep
their antiquated smokestacks and not upgrade them, and instead pay other
companies that HAD upgraded their smokestacks for THEIR pollution credits. That'
s why New York state is so polluted. Thank goodness our Attorney General is a
good guy and sued the Midwest factories -- and after 10 years, won the lawsuit!
They are now being forced to upgrade their emissions-cleaning devices. So
hopefully, the air will be better soon (unless the chemtrail activity increases
a lot, but that's another story).

Anyway, the air quality had been a real problem for me. I had been using
Colloidal Silver in a nebulizer with essential oils, and snorting a
high-quality, store-bought (as well as homemade) CS up my nose. The store-bought
stuff helped, but it was a bit messy and I had to lie down while it did its
work. Plus, it was really expensive. The CS and oils worked great for my
asthmatic wheezing -- but the sinus infection never went away. I have a Scenar
and used it. It didn't do much. The F-Scan was helpful (undoubtedly the sinus
infection was fungal in nature), but it meant sitting for at least an hour and a
half with electrode patches on my face. So I decided to take the Shegoi as a
last resort. Truthfully, I never expected a capsule taken systemically to work
for a sinus infection.

Two Shegoi caps a day didn't do much, although I did feel more energized. But
when I began taking 6 caps per day (and sometimes 4, if I forgot the other 2),
that was when I noticed a huge shift. When I'd eat a piece of fruit, my nose
wouldn't stuff up. My head generally felt clearer. An equally dramatic change
was the decreased tenderness in the sinus points and around the eyes. Sinus
infections can really hurt.and I am frankly astonished at the improvement.

I don't know how much you were paying for the stuff before. I would say that the
Larrea tridentata I'm using now is on the moderate side. It's not cheap and it's
not exhorbitant. But I decided that it's definitely worth having in my health
cabinet, along with the Colloidal Silver, my electromedicine devices, and, of
course, good food, a rebounder, and a positive attitude.

If you want some, you can buy it wholesale by going to my Shegoi website. Yes,
it's an MLM. But the stuff is great.
http://www.shegoi.net/nenahsylver

Let us know how you do.

Best,
Nenah

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Re: CS>CS Sprayed on Hair


Are you allowing it to dry there?

Silver ions without the water oxidize into silver oxides which will stain nearly anything nearly permanantly.

Your scalp may be healthier but I'll bet the color change is a matter of hair dye.

Ode



At 01:07 PM 11/8/2003 +0800, you wrote: 

G'Day All

Has anyone had any promising results with Colloidal Silver being sprayed directly on to there hair.  I have been doing this twice a day for the past two weeks and my partner tells me that my hair is going darker, which is great as I am 47 and getting into the grey zone.  Is darker healthier!!!

Regard 

Simon  (Australia))




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Re: CS>Just a "snip" from another list(.H2O2 list)

Where did you see silver toxicity as a "fact" in doses in water possibly consumed at under 100 ppm?

The fact is, the water is more toxic at those levels than the silver that's in it.
If you drank enough water with 50 PPM silver in it [maybe even at 100 PPM] to reach a toxic level of silver, the water would kill you first.

I'd like to know where you've seen any toxicity studies that involved pure silver in pure water vs silver compounded with other chemicals taken in mega doses at thousands of PPM...and STILL little toxicity.
I read a study where they tried to kill dogs [werewolves?] with silver compounds and it took enough to make a small bullet with. They had a really hard time killing those doggies.

Argyria? [The Smurf effect]
Only about one in a thousand silver workers who inhale silver dust all day every day develops the condition and it has nothing to do with toxicity.
Even those people eliminate 94% of that inhaled dust within 48 hours...right through the blood stream. [Take the weekend off and you're darned near cleaned up...and most report that they never get sick from colds etc.]
Many studies mention the frustration experienced by researchers who fail to induce argyria no matter what doses they use of what compound.
But NO study I've ever seen used pure silver in water. [probably because getting enough silver to stay in water and do enough harm to make the study successful is next to impossible]

Follow the links on Rosemarys site and read those studies.
Experience the joys of misdirection and twisting conclusions by taking studies WAY out of context while totally ignoring the parameters of possibility in real life.
They disprove her conclusions and claims unless you think that fruit is dangerous because being hit hard by a ton of it can 'sometimes' break your bones.

Remember the LSD studies that proved that LSD broke gene structures apart?
..where half the mosquitos they injected with enough LSD to space out an elephant dissolved? [LOOK! Genes broke up!]
Well, LSD is an acid right? So is vitamin C. So is vinegar. I wouldn't recommend injecting a quart bottle of either.
Using that comparitive logic, I could prove that being bitten by a horse fly will reduce you to a puddle of protein derivatives.

...doesn't happen, does it.

Now take a look at ozone and H2O2. {both are very corrosive hazardous materials}
Then look up free radicals.

Use your logic and tell me how "in fact", dead you are.

Ode

At 08:46 PM 11/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:

I was looking at this list a bit more today. (I'm new.)
I had not realized what a "new" group this is--- there is
not a lot of activity prior to October!
I read some of the messages from the beginning of October.
Lots of new people and lots of interesting and varied topics.

So, by way of introduction:
--I've been using H202 for maybe 3 to 4 years. But I only
take baths every once in a while. I guess I used to take
baths more.
--I recently got a medical ozone machine, and an oxygen
concentrator to go with it. I've been considering this for a
couple of years at least!
--I am VERY familiar with mercury detox (which I see is
sometimes a topic here), and am an "expert" regarding the
mercury detox methods originated by Andy Cutler. I'm
also quite familiar with many biomedical issues/treatments
for autism/PDD/etc, and familiar with various mercury
and heavy metals issues. (Here is my NEW website with
mercury detox information and resources:
http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/
--I think the use of SILVER for healing should be considered
carefully in light of the fact silver can be TOXIC. I am aware
that it can be effective against pathogens. (Mercury is
also a good preservative, but I do NOT think it should be
used for this purpose!) I can possibly dig up more info
on this if anyone is interested...
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Re: CS>Injectable Silver

  I don't see why home made CS that consists of only distilled water and
silver would not be injectable in exactly the same manner and with the same
precautions as injecting distilled water.
 There may be some risk of shock from distilled water injected in one big
dose, which is why an IV 'drip' is used in all cases mentioned.

CS by it's very nature should sterilize the water.

 Shucks. People survive much nastier injections many times daily... for
years on end... using tap water to dissolve powders of highly questionable
content and purity in.

 Incidently, All distilled water sold in the USA has been sterilized with
ozone.

Ode

At 08:48 PM 11/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I understand that homemade CS is not safe to be used IV (and I have no plans 
>of using silver for IV) but I am still very curious about it.  I tried to 
>read more about it but the info is over my head.  I'm just wondering if CS 
>could be made with Sterile Injectable Water (that doctors and vets use) 
>instead of distilled water and be safe to use for IV?  Or would the process 
>of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible contaminants 
>during the process?
>
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Re: CS>CS and the Immune System


  I use the 3 breaths/ 3 steps rule.
 Pick up food off the floor.
 Blow on it 3 times to remove as many crunchies as possible and sterilize it.
 Eat that thang!

 Ode


At 10:58 AM 11/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>silversurfer1952 .   11/6/03 8:58 PM  Wrote:
>
>> At the risk of raising some people's ire, isn't it a good idea to let our
>> bodies get the occasional cold?  Doesn't that help strenghthen the immune
>> system?  Are we trying to *replace* the immune system by taking CS all the
>> time, or what?  I'm not attacking anyone or any point of view.  I'm just
>> questioning.  If, for example, Marshalee got a cold shortly after stopping
>> her CS, that tells me that CS doesn't boost the immune system, but rather
>> works very much like an anti-biotic/anti-viral.  Not that that's a bad
>> thing, I don't know.  It just seems to me that unless there are very clear
>> reasons for taking CS all the time, are we not doing our immune systems a
>> disservice by not challenging it with the odd cold or flu?
>***
>
>Hi Elle,
>
>I see that has occured to both you and
>Ode Coyote. I have noticed that many CSers
>are ignoring the power of the immune system -
>let us not sell it short at our peril.
>
>A recent article was deploring the excessive
>use of "Germ fighters" - aerosol sprays,and hand
>soaps, because the writer  maintained that the practice
>weakened the ability of the immune system to respond
>when an invader launched an attack that our immune
>system was unprepared to deal with.
>
>If, as a child, I had dropped something I was eating on to the floor
>I would have been told by my grandmother --
>" You have to eat a peck of dirt before you die"
>
>I have been involved with the production and use of CS
>for about a year ( I bought my first generator) - BUT
>I haven't had a cold since 1955, of flu since 1972,
>but as Ode pointed out, by 1972 the only teeth which
>I had, had been made for me by a dentist !
>Not all genes are created equal !
>
>There are nutritional supplements whose purported
>use will BOOST the power of our immune systems,
>and a good investment they might be if some listers
>are experiencing less that robust good health.
>
>CS does not replace our immune systems !
>
>Jack
>
>Be Nice
>
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Re: CS>Maintenance Dose



  I use it as a mouth wash for the absolute cessation of tooth decay,
plaque and tarter after brushing and the positive other side effects such
as not getting sick...slug, swish and swallow. +/- 20 PPM.

One negative side effect I "might" be experiencing comes in the form of cysts.
 It seems that infections from punctures and intrusions of foreighn objects
don't fester like they should, enough to eject the object..so I have a few
bumps just under the skin where wounds were.

 A few months ago  I got a piece of Cypress sawdust in my eye.  It just
floated in there..no impact.
 Cypress and Cedar splinters always fester up and I did get a sty.
 I cured the sty with CS spray in short order but now I have a small bump
in my eyelid.

Ode

At 12:33 PM 11/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>Just curious, what is everyone's daily maintenance dose, for those who
>use it preventatively, and what ppm?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Garnet
>
>On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 09:44, Richard Harris wrote:
>> I agree with Marshalee,
>> 
>> I feel it a wonderful idea to take CS Continually (meaning every day). In
>> these Stressful times, Most of us put anything that's doesn't DEMAND our
>> attention to the side and forget it until we need it. Until someone really
>> impresses me with an argument that taking CS daily, I shall continue urging
>> my loved ones and others who will "HEAR" to keep their guard up and put the
>> CS on the table so we won't forget it.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: silversurfer1952 . [mailto:silversurfer1...@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:59 PM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: CS>CS and the Immune System
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> At the risk of raising some people's ire, isn't it a good idea to let our
>> bodies get the occasional cold?  Doesn't that help strenghthen the immune
>> system?  Are we trying to *replace* the immune system by taking CS all the
>> time, or what?  I'm not attacking anyone or any point of view.  I'm just
>> questioning.  If, for example, Marshalee got a cold shortly after stopping
>> her CS, that tells me that CS doesn't boost the immune system, but rather
>> works very much like an anti-biotic/anti-viral.  Not that that's a bad
>> thing, I don't know.  It just seems to me that unless there are very clear
>> reasons for taking CS all the time, are we not doing our immune systems a
>> disservice by not challenging it with the odd cold or flu?
>> 
>> thanks for any thoughts on the topic.
>> Elle
>> 
>> 
>> >From: "mamapug" 
>> 
>> >You know, if you take one swallow of CS a day as a preventive, you won`t
>> >have to fight off a cold or infection!!
>> >It is much easier to prevent them than to fight them off, as I`m attesting
>> >to right now. Got lazy, didn`t take my CS, and had a nasty cold last week,
>> >along with torn chest muscles from all the coughing!
>> >Doh!
>> >Marshalee
>> 
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RE: CS>DMSO transport properties

  Good news is that it's now a mere industrial solvent available to anyone
[in the USA] without interference from anyone.
 If DMSO was an FDA approved prescription drug, it would cost over $100 a
pint in the end.

 If I could drink paint and cure a headache, I'd go to Home Depot for
medicine over the drug store any day.

 Gasoline stove fuel...$4 a gallon
 Lighter fluid$32 a gallon in 2 oz bottles
 Adhesive remover... in 2 oz bottles   +/- $60 a gallon?
 All are Naptha

 "approval" is expensive.

Ode

At 12:35 PM 11/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Yep, Marshall,
>
>Good question and observation. Please read "DMSO--the Persecuted Drug" by
>Pat McGrady (I bought my replacement copy from Amazon--a 2nd hand, paper
>back edition in good condition). I had practically memorized my first copy,
>then loaned to several friends, one at a time, until the book forgot to
>return home.
>
>When DMSO's medicinal properties were recognized, before the FDA
>"blackballed it" the FDA gave many prominent Pharmaceutical Companies the
>go-ahead to try to find how useful DMSO really is. The reported results were
>astounding! Imagine taking Insulin by mixing with DMSO & applying to the
>skin--No stick, No needles. Mix painkillers in DMSO, & apply to clean area
>near the pain spot and Voila--quick relief! And other equally remarkable
>very effective uses.
>
>Then, as I understand it, 1 FDA doctor that didn't like Dr. Jacobs &
>Herschler was able to squash the experiments. The Companiies were told in
>effect, "If you EVER want to get another new product approved, you'll never
>mention your remarkable results with DMSO". Then lies were spread about it,
>the FDA outlawed it with the one exception, IV DMSO for Interstitial
>Cystitis is the only drug to relieve this horribly painful problem.
>
>DMSO has been legally used successfully for years in Russia, Europs, Mexico,
>Canada and other free-world countries without a prescription.
>
>If I can help in any way, please let me know.
>Sincerely,
>Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:41 AM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: CS>DMSO transport properties
>
>
>I wonder if the use of DMSO as a transport can be an effective alternative
>to getting an IV for things like Rocephrin or other things that must be
>given via IV to avoid being broken down in the stomach.
>
>Could it be used with codeine or other IV type pain killers?
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Marshall
>
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CS>Re: CS & DMSO

2003-11-08 Thread Helena Hsu


Aloha Ted,

I'm just curious and would like to ask.  With your present treatment, are 
you also doing daily enemas (either warm water w/ salt and baking soda or 
coffee enemas) and/or liver detox using the castor oil packs..??


Do keep us informed as to how the treatment is working for you.

To your health, Ted.

Warmest Regards,
Helena

~
At 03:50 PM 11/07/2003, you wrote:

Unfortunately, right now I'm going through a period of back to back 
outbreaks so I'm almost constantly have some symptom or another: burning, 
itching, pain, and/or lesions.  I'm trying to go at it from as many 
directions as possible.  Internally by taking CS orally (about 4 oz. a day 
but I'm thinking of increasing it) as well as with DMSO topically to get 
it into the skin/nerves wehre the virus is hiding, and CS topically on 
lesions where the virus has made it to the surface of the skin.


I'm also taking Olive Leaf Extract, Red Marine Algae and just started with 
Grapefruit Seed Extract.  I was taking a product called Herp-Eeze that 
contained Larreastat made from the chaparral plant that really seemed to 
help prevent outbreaks but the distributorship is changing so the product 
I was taking no longer includes it and the new formula does not work for 
me.  Larreastat is being distributed under a new name and is available 
again but the only place I've found is at twice the price of what I paid 
before, but if I don't get much relief soon I may order it anyway.


I've also started zapping with a Terminator Zapper that I received the 
other day and am looking to the blood electrifier and magnetic pulser as 
options as well.  I'm determined to beat this virus and not let it ruin my 
life!


'Ted'



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