CS>complicated explanations about cs
although I enjoy much of what is posted here even if it is technical(I am trying to learn from all of this), I have to agree with Thom. As much as I consider the technical discussion educational and I welcome it, it would also be nice to have some simple explanations about how cs works and which ones are most effective. For some of us batteling serious health problems, it is important to get some plain facts. I am still confused about EIS,meosilver,argentyn, and ASAP. These seem to be mentioned lately and I would like opinions about whether or not they are safe, and effective for infection or yeast. I have read many of the posts about them and feel more confused than ever. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Body pH
Ed, A Local homeopath here, syas that ALL calcium supplements contain some lead. Have you heard this? I'd sure like to know, as I take cal/mag supplements. Sally Ed Kasper wrote: I had used the TRC brand (which I sell SR $24.00 120 tablets for 30 day supply. I was taking 2-4 times the recommended allowance. Calcium: High Grade Marine Coral 2,000 mg, Magnesium 250 mg, Vitamin D 400 IU, Vitamin C 60 mg, MSM 250 mg, Plus 75 chelated minerals and 100% RDA of all vitamins A-Z . Thats why even at my wholesale price it still cost me a lot more than buying a bottle of 1,000 capsules of plain Calcium (at COSTCO) for $10. There is nothing wrong with either brand. Both are exactly as they state on the labels. But. Robert Barefoot (Calcium factor) states that one can take mega-doses of Coral Calcium without possibility of calcium poisoning. Which I still believe is true. But not calcium derived from shell fish or the more common calcium (carbonate - chalk) . That's when the gout struck. Stopped immediately and 3 weeks later my gout was gone. Tried (COSTCO CALCIUM) again a few months latter and bang right to the big toe. Stopped (COSTCO CALCIUM) and relief. Latter tried the TRC Coral calcium and no problems at higher doses. So that made a believer out of me. This was about 2-3 years back and Coral calcium was really popular and selling for a lot of money. About 10-$20 more than I was selling it at. Prices are very competitive now. I would suggest if you want to take calcium use a respected Coral Calcium brand. Most are reasonably priced now. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Body pH Thank you for answering my post. What are the mg.of the coral calcium tablets you are taking and how many do you take and when?? Thanks mary -- Original message from "Ed Kasper" : -- No, I was OK taking high doses of CORAL calcium and had no problems. I got gout when I switched to regular calcium (calcium from shell fish - not coral calcium) and got gout. It depends upon the type of calcium. -Original Message- From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Body pH On another post you mention that you took higher dosages of coral calicum for gout. My husband has gout please advise!! Mary - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
Re: CS>please tell me, are you Dutch? beginners question
JA, dat ben ik !
("Yes, I am", for our American friends)
Erna
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Subject: RE: CS>please tell me, are you Dutch? beginners question
> Han en/of Erna Nieuwmans, please tell me, are you Dutch speaking?
>
>
> >From: Han en/of Erna Nieuwmans
> >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: CS>beginners question
> >Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:36:59 +0200
> >
> >Hello Mike D.
> >
> >Thank you very much for your clear answers to my previous questions,
about
> >heating CS.
> >
> >The generator I bought last week is made by Special Energy Products, and
is
> >called the Electrolyser (price around 180 euro). It produces one litre of
> >CS per batch.
> >I have to leave the two silverelectrodes in the water for 35 minutes.
> >The instructions say that if the Electrolyser is used properly, the
> >silverparts will be less dan 0,005 micron.
> >They advise to use distilled water and to clean the silver electrodes
after
> >about 15 min. with a soft cloth and when you are finished, after 35
minutes
> >(and that's really necessary, I found!).
> >Their website is: www.specialenergy.nl
> >They sell all sorts of 'alternative' instruments and products, like for
> >instance the Purple Plates by Nicola Tesla, which I use as well and which
> >are lovely to wear around your neck.
> >
> >Indeed, the debate amongst the CS experts was 'the far from my bed show'
> >(to use a Dutch saying!), but that's also because English is not my
> >mothertongue. But that's something I simply have to accept in this case,
> >that I can't understand everything I read on this list. Perhaps in a
later
> >stage I will be able to understand what the experts were talking about.
And
> >I think you are right: the info in this list should be for CS users on
all
> >levels, also the experts should be able to exchange ideas between them,
> >without having to explain every single detail to others. But I still
think
> >also that Einstein was right by saying, that if you really understand
> >something, you should be able to explain it to a child. Nice example: the
> >film "What the Bleep do We (K)Now?!" The producers were able to explain
> >quantum fysics in a very clear, understandable way for everyone who is
> >sincerely interested and even if you don't have a scientific background.
I
> >have seen it this weekend and found it very intesting, a great movie
> >indeed!
> >
> >But now my next beginners question, and I would be grateful if somebody
> >would answer it:
> >How can you state what the quality is of the CS you made? I understand
that
> >the colour says a lot, and if I understand well, cristal clear,
colourless,
> >is best. Is that correct?
> >But how do I know if the CS is 'strong' enough? I didn't receive the bio
> >tensor yet that I ordered, but surely there are other ways of stating the
> >quality of your CS.
> >
> >Erna
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: CS>Warning for LV CS
I hav echronic lyme and mycoplasma which has severe fibrosis in scalp and neck tissues. Can dmso help sprayed on the scalp? What strenghth?
CS>Re[2]: CS>lyme mom
Hi GMetropulo, If a doctor told you that , its probably bull. do some research on the net on salt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/ Take care, V > I'm told doing high salt intake could be detrimental to my already stressed > heart and leg edema. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>lyme mom
I'm told doing high salt intake could be detrimental to my already stressed heart and leg edema.
Re: CS>dose PPM, quantity & frequency
know of any results for chronic laten lyme and mycoplasma.It has attacked my scalp muscle with severe burning, crunching, constriction contraction, throbbing, impaired circulation to my heart and severe spasms. I took natural immunogenics argentum 23 8x/d for 2 months to no avail. I was told that was purer and more available than any I could make. KNow any success with beck protocol. What silver and pulser is best? I have 6 children to raise and have been desperately trying to get better for 4 years since the dormant infections came out, Blessings.
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
> Jungle Jim's in Fairfield Ohio ... Choose a coconut with the Green > husk present That's what I'm talking about Al. Thanks. All the coconuts I've seen so far seem ancient. Each one I've tapped or split has been rancid or soapy tasting. If I can find relatively young ones, that would be worth a bit of a drive. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>dose PPM, quantity & frequency
CS>dose PPM, quantity & frequency From: S&JY Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:21:03 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79176.html > Mike Monett & others, > It's interesting 20 us CS apparently didn't help with your mold > problems, but 40 us did. What puzzles me is why double your 20 us > dose wouldn't accomplish exactly the same thing? > In other words, why shouldn't 2 ounces of 5 uS or PPM have exactly > the same effect as 1 ounce of 10 uS or PPM? Does it have something > to do with the rate of absorption per fluid ounce, and if it isn't > strong enough, the body gets rid of it faster than it can > accumulate to do some good? Comments anyone? > As a general rule, I think all CS List posters should specify PPM > (or uS), quantity and frequency of ingestion when they report the > results produced. E.g. I drank 8 ounces of 10 PPM CS 6 times a day > for 3 weeks and it cured my Lyme Disease, or whatever. Just saying > you used 10 PPM CS doesn't tell the whole story. > Steve Y. Hi Steve - you make very good points, especially on the absorption rate. I believe you are correct. I noticed a similar effect with the second Shingles infection. I was drinking 8 oz of 3 nines quality each day. It had no effect. When I first tried the 20ppm cs, I was not sure what to expect, so I didn't swallow it but spit it out. Then the blisters fell off. One ounce is, of course, 1/8 of 8 ounces. So the old stuff should have worked. But it didn't. And the 20ppm had no effect on the mold toxins. I guarantee you, I tried. But the 30-45uS definitely has a very significant effect. I have been out of work due to mold related illness for years - I think since 1999. But am going to start looking for a job this week. To me it's clear. When it comes to ionic cs, more is better. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? From: Trem Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:27:19 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79175.html > Hi Mike, > The reading has only dropped to 44 uS over 24 hours as measured > using 3 PWT averaged readings and I think it's going to stay > there. I'll leave it alone for another day and see if it's really > done dropping. > The Tyndall is quite faint, contrary to what you thought. I'll > take a photo soon and put it on our site with the link shown only > here so members can see if they want to. > Trem Hi Trem, thanks much for the update. I really had no notion what the Tyndall would be - faint is good, especially in a dark room. Do you happen to have any info on the brew time and current? You gave the volume previously as 1 gallon so that's all I need to do a Faraday. Your quality is by far the best I've seen. It is amazing the drop in uS is so minor. Thank you for doing the experiments. I made a couple of batches using 18uS starting cs that came out pretty good, but they certainly don't match yours. I just did a simple experiment by moving the electrodes during the brew. This reduces the cell conductance and increases the voltage briefly. You can make a crude map of the concentration by moving the electrodes a small distance and watching the voltage. I don't suppose you have ever thought of adding a drop of food coloring to see how fast it diffuses while stirring? Possibly you are able to get such high silver concentration by sweeping the ions away from the electrodes so they don't have a chance to accumulate in the Nernst Diffusion layer. So the concentration between the electrodes is an important factor, and reducing the ion density helps, as my double chamber experiments illustrate. But it's not the entire story. Heck - I don't even know the rest of this chapter:) Why does your cs not show huge drops in uS with time? Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>dose PPM, quantity & frequency
Mike Monett & others, It's interesting 20 us CS apparently didn't help with your mold problems, but 40 us did. What puzzles me is why double your 20 us dose wouldn't accomplish exactly the same thing? In other words, why shouldn't 2 ounces of 5 uS or PPM have exactly the same effect as 1 ounce of 10 uS or PPM? Does it have something to do with the rate of absorption per fluid ounce, and if it isn't strong enough, the body gets rid of it faster than it can accumulate to do some good? Comments anyone? As a general rule, I think all CS List posters should specify PPM (or uS), quantity and frequency of ingestion when they report the results produced. E.g. I drank 8 ounces of 10 PPM CS 6 times a day for 3 weeks and it cured my Lyme Disease, or whatever. Just saying you used 10 PPM CS doesn't tell the whole story. --Steve Y. Mike said: > As you know, I have been suffering the effects of mold toxins for > years. The 20us cs had no effect. > > I did some more experimenting and found a way to get higher ion > concentration. A description is in the archives. > > I took my first dose on March 4. The symptoms gradually started > disappearing, and now I am able to function like a human being once > more, instead of spending days in bed. > > Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Hi Mike, The reading has only dropped to 44 uS over 24 hours as measured using 3 PWT averaged readings and I think it's going to stay there. I'll leave it alone for another day and see if it's really done dropping. The Tyndall is quite faint, contrary to what you thought. I'll take a photo soon and put it on our site with the link shown only here so members can see if they want to. Trem - Original Message - From: "Mike Monett" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? From: cking001 (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:13:43 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79155.html > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:27:13 -0500, Mike Monett > wrote: >> But in my book, the highest quality award goes to Trem Williams. >> He showed how his SG7 will make 45uS that is perfectly clear and >> has little or no decay. My hat's off to him, and I am dropping my >> beautifully-conceived double chamber system and looking for a way >> to get vigorous stirring. > Rats! > I was looking forward to more input on the double chamber system. > Chuck Thanks Chuck, but when it comes to cs I have no loyalty, not even to my own creations. Trem's SG7 works much better. Let's try to figure why. I don't think the analysis would hurt his sales numbers. Some people want a complete system. Some want to build their own. Good information can only help. The next bird flu could be very dangerous. Let's not let that happen. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Body pH
I had used the TRC brand (which I sell SR $24.00 120 tablets for 30 day supply. I was taking 2-4 times the recommended allowance. Calcium: High Grade Marine Coral 2,000 mg, Magnesium 250 mg, Vitamin D 400 IU, Vitamin C 60 mg, MSM 250 mg, Plus 75 chelated minerals and 100% RDA of all vitamins A-Z . Thats why even at my wholesale price it still cost me a lot more than buying a bottle of 1,000 capsules of plain Calcium (at COSTCO) for $10. There is nothing wrong with either brand. Both are exactly as they state on the labels. But. Robert Barefoot (Calcium factor) states that one can take mega-doses of Coral Calcium without possibility of calcium poisoning. Which I still believe is true. But not calcium derived from shell fish or the more common calcium (carbonate - chalk) . That's when the gout struck. Stopped immediately and 3 weeks later my gout was gone. Tried (COSTCO CALCIUM) again a few months latter and bang right to the big toe. Stopped (COSTCO CALCIUM) and relief. Latter tried the TRC Coral calcium and no problems at higher doses. So that made a believer out of me. This was about 2-3 years back and Coral calcium was really popular and selling for a lot of money. About 10-$20 more than I was selling it at. Prices are very competitive now. I would suggest if you want to take calcium use a respected Coral Calcium brand. Most are reasonably priced now. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Body pH Thank you for answering my post. What are the mg.of the coral calcium tablets you are taking and how many do you take and when?? Thanks mary -- Original message from "Ed Kasper" : -- No, I was OK taking high doses of CORAL calcium and had no problems. I got gout when I switched to regular calcium (calcium from shell fish - not coral calcium) and got gout. It depends upon the type of calcium. -Original Message- From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Body pH On another post you mention that you took higher dosages of coral calicum for gout. My husband has gout please advise!! Mary
RE: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
I think that's a kewl idea Marshall. :-) -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? Maybe we should start a CS technical list where the experimenters, researchers and so forth can post without cluttering the main list? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? From: cking001 (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:13:43 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79155.html > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:27:13 -0500, Mike Monett > wrote: >> But in my book, the highest quality award goes to Trem Williams. >> He showed how his SG7 will make 45uS that is perfectly clear and >> has little or no decay. My hat's off to him, and I am dropping my >> beautifully-conceived double chamber system and looking for a way >> to get vigorous stirring. > Rats! > I was looking forward to more input on the double chamber system. > Chuck Thanks Chuck, but when it comes to cs I have no loyalty, not even to my own creations. Trem's SG7 works much better. Let's try to figure why. I don't think the analysis would hurt his sales numbers. Some people want a complete system. Some want to build their own. Good information can only help. The next bird flu could be very dangerous. Let's not let that happen. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>lyme mom
http://lymephotos.com I don't know if it works, but I woud try it if I had lyme. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
So that the sour cream does not get sourer !!! Sandee "The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to realize that he could not do it." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? COMMENT
Well said Sandee "The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to realize that he could not do it." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
I like the sound of this one, which part of the coconut the water ? Sandee "The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to realize that he could not do it." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Are there CS generators being sold in Asia?
this looks like a pretty good unit - did not know they were making them in Oz Sandee "The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to realize that he could not do it." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ionic versus Colloidal
Re: CS>Ionic versus Colloidal From: Marshall Dudley Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:52:19 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79146.html P.S. This is a repost - sympatico went clang again. Sorry if it is a duplicate. > Dan Nave wrote: >> Re: CS>Ionic versus Colloidal >> From: Marshall Dudley wrote: >> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:53:24 >> "M. G. Devour" wrote: >>> So we are left with the unanswered question of whether some >>> mechanism exists by which silver chloride -- or whatever other >>> as yet undetermined species might exist -- may form an effective >>> fraction in the complex environment of the blood. >> > Why, then, do we not just use an appropriately small and diluted >> dose of silver chloride instead of going through all the trouble >> to make EIS? >> I had suggested this idea before but there was no comment... > Because that can give you argyria, and if I am right about the > conversion of silver salts to silver particles in the blood, > produce a few ineffective huge particles of silver instead of > trillions of extremely small effective ones. With EIS you get the > nucleation sites for plate out in the brew. > Marshall I am amused by the arguments produced recently. Silver ions are converted to silver chloride as soon as they encounter salt or hydrochloric acid in the body. There is no minimum solubility as Marshall proposes. It all gets converted to silver chloride. We all know Stan Jones got Argyria from drinking large doses of silver chloride. When exposed to light, a photon knocks an electron free from the chlorine, and the silver ion grabs it. Both atoms are now free to go their separate ways, but the silver gets stuck in the tissues and turns your skin blue. So silver chloride is bad because it produces elemental silver particles in your body. But then we read that ionic cs will not give you Argyria. Interesting. With all the cs we drink over the years, surely some of it must have stuck somewhere and we are all turning blue. But this contradiction is never resolved. The next thing we hear is Mesosilver is pure silver particles. Seems like we just decided silver particles are bad since they give you Argyria. It has to accumulate over time - the EPA and other organizations give maximum lifetime doses. But this contradiction is never resolved. Next we hear that Mesosilver is very effective in killing pathogens. It has to be true - the reports are publication quality. But the reports never tell us that the 20ppm Mesosilver has an ionic content of 3.9ppm. The reports also use a 75ppm version, but there is no information on the ionic content. There has to be some - but we don't know how much. So how do we know the killing results are not due to the ion content? The times listed are certainly long enough for silver ions to diffuse anywhere and slowly kill the pathogen. The 75ppm product is not available commercially. Perhaps the reason is it definitely would produce Argyria. Is it fair to use a non-available product to demonstrate the efficiency of the standard one? I don't think so. Next we hear that silver ions were never found in the blood, but the ICP/AES did find silver in the blood serum. Interesting. If you hold 1 oz of 20pm cs in your mouth for ten minutes, then spit it out, the maximum possible concentration you can get in your blood is 118 parts per billion. Of course, you never get 100% absorption. The silver content mentioned in one of Frank's reports ranges from 28ppb to a bit over 100ppb. This corresponds well with the value calculated above. But we are supposed to believe the reason this could not be detected with the Ion Selective Voltmeter is because it all converted to silver chloride, which is bad or doesn't matter depending on which page you are on. Perhaps the reason the ion was not detected is the probe has a minimum detection level. One commercially available probe has a limit of 50 parts per billion - the same range as we are trying to measure. The probe is also affected by other ions, such as sodium. The selectivity coefficients differ for each probe and ion combination. So it is possible the interference from sodium would completely overwhelm the response from the small amount of silver ions, so it could not be detected. The owner of the instrument knows the performance data. I asked Frank for these parameters, but have not seen a response: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78996.html So it's possible the attempt to measure the ion content was futile in the first place. We are not given the information needed to tell. The next amazing thing we learn is the key to everything is particle surface area. There is no explanation - we just
Re: CS>Warning for LV CS
Yes, I would agree that has been my experience, if you mean putting straight CS on a bruise. Now, putting on a mix of DSMO and CS works a treat, but I think that is mainly the DMSO, not the silver, the silver effects being helpful but secondary. We use DMSO diluted to various strengths for various purposes, and since I have a lot of CS and can make all I want, I see no harm and a lot of possible benefit to using only CS to dilute it with. The DMSO does the work of preventing the bruise and/or breaking up bruises very fast, and the CS could certainly be acting to help kill off any bacteria that might take advantage. And it does have help spped healing on its own, too. But it can't get to where the tissue damage is by itself, because alone it can't get through the intact skin surface, even with a surface wound CS does not penetrate tissues very deeply. (my opinion, from my own experience) sol Sandee George wrote: So you are both saying then that the colloidal silver has nothing to do with reducing/obviating of the bruise or the inflammation - it is the energy/massage/mindset which works the magic ? Sandee -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>lyme mom
gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: > I would like to know of anyone having success with the bob beck > protocol with chronic lyme and mycoplasma? Yes with cronic lyme. > How is it used? Lots of EIS, magnetic pulsing daily, ozonated water a couple of times a day, and zapping or blood electrification once a day. > What equipment is the best? I used a combination of equipment from sota, and home made equipment. > I took Argentum 23 at 8 tsp./d for 2 months with no herx and no > improvement. Not surprising. I and my sister used 2-3 quarts a day of EIS. > I was told it was so much purer than making it. I have been part of > many studies at high doses to no avail. How much did you take? 8 teaspoons is what I would consider a maintnance dose when you are well. > My symptoms are complex but center in the infected scalp and neck > muscle with edema, severe burning, severe constrictions and > contractions, fibrosis in affected tissues of the scalp. I have to > constanly stretch burning contracted scalp and neck to crack open > adhesions to release fluid down the lymph. I have severe burning of > the muscles from scalp, neck to my back and chest with irregular > heartbeat and irrregular circulation I have 6 children to raise that > deserve more.I need to do somethiong that will get into the muscle > tissue and lymph of the scalp and neck. I was told argentum 23 was > the cadillac.I took the maximium but it didn't do anything. Thank you > for any help you can offer. Give the full protocol a shot. I have seen it do wonders. Marshall
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
Grretcha, Mike was wondering where fresh coconuts could be obtained in his area. I was pointing out, that here in the USA, it is common for well equipped grocery stores to now have all kinds of imported exotic fruits and vegetables. If he were truly in a location that didn't have them, then using the internet ( a search on www.google.com ) would most likely turn up a company that would ship some to him. Chuck Why is there an expiration date on sour cream? On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:23:24 -0400, Leonardo van Goens wrote: >scyuze meeyy .. I don't understand zis. >Pleeze ekspaline >Grretcha > > >>From: cking...@nycap.rr.com >>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>To: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Subject: Re: CS>Luz and Faith >>Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:01:41 -0500 >> >>Well, if it were me, Mike, I'd hie myself off to the superduper >>markets. >>I see all kinds of exotic fruits and vege's there. >>If THAT didn't produce produce , it's google time! >>We are no longer without resources in this world! >> >> Chuck >>Can an atheist get insurance against acts of God? >> >>On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:15:02 -0005, "M. G. Devour" >> wrote: >> >> >Ahhh, and where to get a *fresh* coconut here in the midwestern US? >> > >> > >> > >> >Mike D. >> > >> >> On another list there has been a discussion of ridding cataracts with >> >> the juice of a fresh coconut applied as an eyewash. Reported results >> >> were excellent and pretty much immediate. >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >>OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > >_ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
CS>Language and terminology, was Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
A lot of this discussion has been way above me, but I have still learned from it. While one can't give oneself a complete scientific/technical education overnight, quite a bit of the discussion back and forth is understandable, given the use of a dictionary. sol Max Sanders wrote: As opposed to self induced hypno trance psycho consiratorial manifesto doctrine anti-doctrine trash that is EASY reading with no thought accepted, I for one like the on topic (and interesting off topic too) tech talk. Would rather risk learning something. Matter of fact I still enjoy learning things. So I say lay it on...and perhaps an occassional explanatory summary would be nice. It was the original and still best use of the net. This site is a good example of such. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cs and eyesight
I don't myself see how it could do anything to affect eyesight. Unless there was an infection. It is very soothing misted into eyes, but I do that as an infection preventative---it is what keeps me from contracting colds and flus, along with spraying my hands. I have a pet with a blocked tear duct and twice daily mistings with CS keep him from getting an eye infection, and also keep the fur under his eye from getting stained and nasty from the constant dishcarge he has. sol Deborah Gerard wrote: What about using cs to improve eyesight? any thought's on this. Debbie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
Jungle Jim's in Fairfield Ohio. Don't expect it to be easy unless you have more than average skills wielding a machete. The easiest way is probably using an electric drill and ordinary metal bit and drilling into the nut on the stem side ( Choose a coconut with the Green husk present- the bare nut is easier but it is from a mature coconut and the milk is very unappealing as the fats/oils have already been converted into the familiar hard white copra.) Green coconut milk is still very rich and the meat is still forming and is soft and can be spooned out to eat. I won't tell what it's called colloquially in Central America! Break the Whole thing up with an axe on a wood surface, or use a sledgehammer on your concrete driveway, after you have salvaged the milk. Regards, Al Peirce Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: Re: CS>Luz and Faith Ahhh, and where to get a *fresh* coconut here in the midwestern US? Mike D. On another list there has been a discussion of ridding cataracts with the juice of a fresh coconut applied as an eyewash. Reported results were excellent and pretty much immediate. sounds like it would be right up your alley. BTW, Welcome Chuck If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? >Only .. in three days I shall be operated on my right eye for cataracts > (obscuring of the eye lenses) and then a week later on the other eye. >This was the one thing I could not heal with Urine Therapy, although I >was well on my way! These operations will take me off the computer for >quite some time. When back, I shall simply repeat this introduction, >and GO again. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Trem wrote: > Mike et al, > > I contacted Stephen Quinto yesterday via email to ask him about the test > since I was not sure what I was reading on his site. Here is what he told > me today > > "There was NO media in the challenge. I don't suppose anyone carefully read > the propocol. The challenge was carried out in pure lab-quality water for a > very short period, minutes. The results were immediately plated out ON the > media, not in it, so that if there were any survivors amongst the bacteria > then they would have a nutrient to feed off and redevelop." In that case I see nothing wrong with the protocol. I don't understand how the bacteria are removed from the "challenge" liquid without getting any of the CS or ionic silver on the agar during the transfer. > > > This seems to change everything once more doesn't it? I had thought this > was the question when I posted this a couple of days ago. > > "Since I'm only an amateur at culture work (used to culture mushroom > strains) > I fail to see why the test isn't valid. It seems he is trying to show that > when Staph is mixed with dilute hydrochloric acid and further mixed with > dilute silver of colloidal and ionic content that one set of cultures had a > better kill rate. I wasn't aware the test involved growing onto the plate. > I thought the plates were used only because they were a sterile medium that > would not inhibit growth and would not influence the kill rate. What am I > missing here? > > So, is the debate still an open one? I think so. Yes, it is difficult to reconcile the differences between these results and Frank's. The only big difference I see is the protocol. Could it be that silver particles kill when the bacteria is multiplying, like many off the shelf anitbiotics? That would explain it, but I have never seen any indication that CS only works on dividing bacteria, so I doubt that is the answer. I am going to have to think about this a while and see if I can come up with a valid hypothesis that is likely and can be tested. Marshall > Stephen also says he has > done some other studies. Here is what he said. > > "We are currently doing a lot of 3rd party work, including comparative > bacteriology, the results of which will blow everyone away anyway. The early > results show Argentyn to be, on average, at least two logs superior to any > of the competitive brands, including mesosilver. BTW, two logs means 100x! > We're also doing third party TEM work at Georgia State, which will also > confirm recent work we did at U of Miami. I think we'll publish the U of > Miami Med School work now too." > > Trem > www.silvergen.com > > - Original Message - > From: "M. G. Devour" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 6:04 PM > Subject: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? > > > Hi gang, > > > > I wonder if the Ionic vs. Colloidal debate has had enough time now to > > begin to reach some consensus? > > > > Could maybe Trem, Marshall and/or Frank summarize what has been agreed > > to, learned, proven, disproven, or marked for futher study as a result > > of all this voluminous verbiage? > > > > It seems to have been a fruitful discussion, but we need to be > > sensitive to the fact that newcomers are not going to be able to get > > very much from such detailed information. If the topic continued much > > longer we'd start to lose people from confusion and boredom. > > > > Again, I'm not demanding a hard and fast cut-off, but am suggesting > > that we may be ready for a summary? > > > > Thank you folks, > > > > Mike Devour > > silver-list owner > > > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005 > > > >
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Ooooh, what he said! A private sand box for the More Power Boys to play in! (Love `em all... ; o) Marshalee Maybe we should start a CS technical list where the experimenters, researchers and so forth can post without cluttering the main list? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
scyuze meeyy .. I don't understand zis. Pleeze ekspaline Grretcha From: cking...@nycap.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Luz and Faith Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:01:41 -0500 Well, if it were me, Mike, I'd hie myself off to the superduper markets. I see all kinds of exotic fruits and vege's there. If THAT didn't produce produce , it's google time! We are no longer without resources in this world! Chuck Can an atheist get insurance against acts of God? On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:15:02 -0005, "M. G. Devour" wrote: >Ahhh, and where to get a *fresh* coconut here in the midwestern US? > > > >Mike D. > >> On another list there has been a discussion of ridding cataracts with >> the juice of a fresh coconut applied as an eyewash. Reported results >> were excellent and pretty much immediate. >> -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
scyuze meeyy .. I don't understand zis. Pleeze ekspaline Grretcha From: cking...@nycap.rr.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Luz and Faith Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 17:01:41 -0500 Well, if it were me, Mike, I'd hie myself off to the superduper markets. I see all kinds of exotic fruits and vege's there. If THAT didn't produce produce , it's google time! We are no longer without resources in this world! Chuck Can an atheist get insurance against acts of God? On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:15:02 -0005, "M. G. Devour" wrote: >Ahhh, and where to get a *fresh* coconut here in the midwestern US? > > > >Mike D. > >> On another list there has been a discussion of ridding cataracts with >> the juice of a fresh coconut applied as an eyewash. Reported results >> were excellent and pretty much immediate. >> -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Rats! I was looking forward to more input on the double chamber system. Chuck Whose cruel idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have "S" in it? On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:27:13 -0500, Mike Monett wrote: > > But in my book, the highest quality award goes to Trem Williams. He > showed how his SG7 will make 45uS that is perfectly clear and has > little or no decay. My hat's off to him, and I am dropping my > beautifully-conceived double chamber system and looking for a way to > get vigorous stirring. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
Well, if it were me, Mike, I'd hie myself off to the superduper markets. I see all kinds of exotic fruits and vege's there. If THAT didn't produce produce , it's google time! We are no longer without resources in this world! Chuck Can an atheist get insurance against acts of God? On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:15:02 -0005, "M. G. Devour" wrote: >Ahhh, and where to get a *fresh* coconut here in the midwestern US? > > > >Mike D. > >> On another list there has been a discussion of ridding cataracts with >> the juice of a fresh coconut applied as an eyewash. Reported results >> were excellent and pretty much immediate. >> -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>lyme mom
I would like to know of anyone having success with the bob beck protocol with chronic lyme and mycoplasma? How is it used? What equipment is the best? I took Argentum 23 at 8 tsp./d for 2 months with no herx and no improvement. I was told it was so much purer than making it. I have been part of many studies at high doses to no avail. My symptoms are complex but center in the infected scalp and neck muscle with edema, severe burning, severe constrictions and contractions, fibrosis in affected tissues of the scalp. I have to constanly stretch burning contracted scalp and neck to crack open adhesions to release fluid down the lymph. I have severe burning of the muscles from scalp, neck to my back and chest with irregular heartbeat and irrregular circulation I have 6 children to raise that deserve more.I need to do somethiong that will get into the muscle tissue and lymph of the scalp and neck. I was told argentum 23 was the cadillac.I took the maximium but it didn't do anything. Thank you for any help you can offer.
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? From: cking001 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:42:20 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79121.html > No Mike, I'm not into manufacturing (as in making more than one, > or a commercial venture). The term "lethal voltages" is grossly > overused, at least in this instance. > If you have a microwave oven, a TV, or even a bedside lamp, you > are already harboring "lethal voltage" devices in your home. > Common sense is always a requirement, and is not the exclusive > providence of engineers. > This particular instance of hacking a microwave gives you a device > that has a power interlocked door and a programable timer. Bob > Burger was getting kinda excited about this method after starting > to investigate it. "Low Quality" indeed! > It's "safer" than the neon transformer I was using prior to this. > Of course, as usual, YMMV. > I'm always interested in your analysis' Mike but they still have > to pass the grain of salt test. > Oh, BTW, on your mold saga, I recently tried to tackle a moldy > spot on a wall to clean it off. Tried bleach and other cleansers > without much progress before I thought of TV's Oxyplus as touted > by Billy Mays. I made a pasty concoction with hottish water and > smeared it on the patch. Let it dry overnight. Darned if it didn't > take it right off! I'm impressed! > Chuck Chuck, thank you for your safety tips on high voltage. Yes, TV sets and bedside lamps harbor high voltages. But you don't pour water in them. I spent 8 years in the military working on high power transmitters. They drummed into us constantly to never trust the interlocks. Don't even give high voltage a chance. It will kill you. I have been a ham since 1955, and have built my share of transmitters. You gain a very healthy respect for high voltage when you hit the plate cap on a 6146, or grab a power supply using 6L6 regulators where someone substituted metal tubes, and the designers used pin 1 as a tie point for 900V. Pin 1 on a 6L6 is normally vacant, but the metal version connects it to the metal case. I fix microwave ovens for friends. You are right - it has interlocks that are supposed to blow the fuse if the interlocks fail. I have a box full of microswitches taken from failed ovens. You would not believe how astonished you are when the safety systems fail and the microwave turns on when you open the door. It will fry your eyes in seconds. The thing about being an engineer is you get to see a much broader range of experiences. My decision to stay away from microwave ovens for my personal brewing is based on that experience. What you do is your choice. But please don't trust the interlocks. Buy more silver and use it to reduce the voltage needed to drive your brew. This will reduce the current density and give better quality. Quality in my book is the highest possible ion content, with the minimum reduction as oxides are produced after you are finished brewing. I now make cs with concentration up to 48uS, but it decays down to 40us or less in a short time. I switched to using 18uS cs to seed my generator, and now get 34.8uS that is perfectly clear and has no decay at all. But in my book, the highest quality award goes to Trem Williams. He showed how his SG7 will make 45uS that is perfectly clear and has little or no decay. My hat's off to him, and I am dropping my beautifully-conceived double chamber system and looking for a way to get vigorous stirring. My experience with cs is the higher the ion content, the better it works. When I got Shingles, the plain 3 nines worked well to stop it. But it came back a while later. I got painful open sores that wouldn't heal. The 3 nines stuff had no effect. I experimented and found going to "U" shaped electrodes and reducing the current density just about doubled the ion content. When I tried the first brew, I only took 1 oz, and spit it out after several minutes. Three days later, the Shingles blisters fell off. They have not returned. As you know, I have been suffering the effects of mold toxins for years. The 20us cs had no effect. I did some more experimenting and found a way to get higher ion concentration. A description is in the archives. I took my first dose on March 4. The symptoms gradually started disappearing, and now I am able to function like a human being once more, instead of spending days in bed. I am putting the list of doses and times at the end. You can see the PWT readings drop as the oxides form. The last batch has only two entries, but the reading is the same as when it was brewed. So it is possible to make high-ionic cs without having it decay, but Trems' SG7 system works much better. So t
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? COMMENT
Thanks Brooks, I might have been too simplistic, but the comments in return was worth it. I can see another side to the discussion now that I hadn't thought of before. Thanks again, Thom
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
Ahhh, and where to get a *fresh* coconut here in the midwestern US? Mike D. > On another list there has been a discussion of ridding cataracts with > the juice of a fresh coconut applied as an eyewash. Reported results > were excellent and pretty much immediate. > > sounds like it would be right up your alley. > BTW, Welcome > Chuck > > If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? > > >Only .. in three days I shall be operated on my right eye for cataracts > > (obscuring of the eye lenses) and then a week later on the other eye. > >This was the one thing I could not heal with Urine Therapy, although I > >was well on my way! These operations will take me off the computer for > >quite some time. When back, I shall simply repeat this introduction, > >and GO again. > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CS>Luz and Faith
On another list there has been a discussion of ridding cataracts with the juice of a fresh coconut applied as an eyewash. Reported results were excellent and pretty much immediate. sounds like it would be right up your alley. BTW, Welcome Chuck If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? >Only .. in three days I shall be operated on my right eye for cataracts >(obscuring of the eye lenses) and then a week later on the other eye. This >was the one thing I could not heal with Urine Therapy, although I was well >on my way! These operations will take me off the computer for quite some >time. When back, I shall simply repeat this introduction, and GO again. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>the tooth that MUSY be out
Greeting you, Company of Colloidal Silver! Although new to this forum, I would like to share this interesting sample of the stubbornness that established medicine (in this case dentistry) is capable of. See, I had this inflammation on my upper molar, the last in the row up-right. It got very painful, and I called my dentist: the receptionist got me an appointment. When I got there the lady dentist met me in the corridor, and already uttered to my great astonishment: "We'll anaesthetize you, and then.." I interrupted: "Dear, we are not going to pull, are we?" (I was not even in the chair yet, she had not seen my mouth, she had not touched the molar, not taken any x ray, and yet, on word of the receptionist she was ready for extracting .. that was # 1). So she protested "..but you are in pain!" "Yep, and I came for counsel, not for tooth-players." Stubbornly she kept badgering that there was no cure and that extraction was the only solution. More or less to my own astonishment I heard myself say: "One week, Doc. One week and there will be no more pain.” Destiny had it that the left under tooth broke, and I needed (her) treatment. Meanwhile I had home-treated the other molar by rinsing my nasal cavity with my own water, I had drank a mouthful of colloidal silver three times a day, and had pressed the inside of my right ring finger (point upper teeth, three seconds method), where it was very painful. So I called the dentist’s for treatment of the one left-under, and got the appointment. Treatment was (without anesthesia necessary) done in twenty minutes. NOT A WORD (that was # 2) from this dentist about the right back upper molar .. which was by this time fully healed, gums and all. I never bothered telling her about the successful alternative treatment. Then .. that same left down last molar got inflamed. I went to sweet dentist again. Same Old Story! No comments, at once ready to extract. Yet .. this time she did take an ex-ray, and showed me, muttering about her twenty years’ experience, that there was indeed a good inflammation between the roots. A little black ball showed there. So now I mentioned the fully healed upper right tooth. She commented: “Well, yeah .. I see .., but the flesh is still reddish and ill-looking.” It was NOT. The tissue was hard, the circulation was good (and even today it is), and I have been without any sensation of pain or irritation since. (that was # 3) I shall not see this narrow-minded-ready-to-extract-mouth-smith again. I repeated the treatment for the left-under tooth, but for the Urine Therapy (the lower teeth cannot be reached by rinsing with urine, as is possible for the upper teeth). I drank bits of Colloidal Silver, pressed the tooth-point on the inside of the left ring finger. Yeah! In ONE week the pain, the inflammation was no more. And I saw another dentist who even treated it, and put a new layer of composite on. So yes, Colloidal Silver helped me in the healing of two teeth. And they are still in function. We have a long way to go, and we’ll have to show a lot of goodwill. But that there are other ways of healing ourselves in the most diverse manners, of the most diverse ailings, is a fact. Love you all, Faith. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>introducing Luz and Faith
Faith and Vilma (Luz) introducing themselves to this very interesting forum. Greeting you, Company of Colloidal Silver! We are health-care workers. Luz luz...@terra.com.co is a natural healer, and IÂ’ll tellya, it is quite an experience to be married to a psychic of her caliber. She is surely working her way up to greater acknowledgement: From our tiny island she was invited to our sister island, 80 miles away, then to a destination some 1000 miles oversea, and now even to New York, to give acte de présence, and to do her work. I teach, and have a language lab. Besides I played around with Reflexology for over fifteen years, then got serious, seeing the continuous stunning results those who depended upon us came up with. So we got licensed. That was last December in MedellÃn (Colombia), and now the both of us are helping clients in need. In our health-practice we combine Colloidal Silver with feet and hand reflexology, Palma Christi treatments (Castor or Risinus Oil .. on Edgar CayceÂ’s indications) and Urine Therapy; UT causing us many laughs for the barriers many have of their own water .. although it is So Healing! In three years, when IÂ’ll be retired, weÂ’ll finish the creation of our Center and then weÂ’ll go fully professional. I am not very “science” oriented. Yet, seeing all you-guys offer your knowledge as to this Precious Product called Colloidal Silver, I am very glad to be back, and to be able to share with and from you. Only .. in three days I shall be operated on my right eye for cataracts (obscuring of the eye lenses) and then a week later on the other eye. This was the one thing I could not heal with Urine Therapy, although I was well on my way! These operations will take me off the computer for quite some time. When back, I shall simply repeat this introduction, and GO again. Hope weÂ’ll all be fine, Greeting you all in Friendship, Faith and Vilma _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ionic versus Colloidal
Dan Nave wrote: > Re: CS>Ionic versus Colloidal > > From: Marshall Dudley wrote: > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:53:24 > > > > <"M. G. Devour" wrote: > > > > > So we are left with the unanswered question of whether some > mechanism > > exists by which silver chloride -- or whatever other as yet > > undetermined species might exist -- may form an effective fraction > in > > the complex environment of the blood. > > > Why, then, do we not just use an appropriately small and diluted dose > of silver chloride instead of going through all the trouble to make EIS? > > > I had suggested this idea before but there was no comment... Because that can give you argyria, and if I am right about the conversion of silver salts to silver particles in the blood, produce a few ineffective huge particles of silver instead of trillions of extremely small effective ones. With EIS you get the nucleation sites for plate out in the brew. Marshall > > > Dan > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Are there CS generators being sold in Asia?
I just received an email from someone in Malaysia who wants a CS generator. I can recommend a few good ones from the United States and Canada, but are there any being sold in Asia or even Europe that anyone knows about? Thanks. Nenah P.S. I was thinking that it would be *great* to have a summary of the recent discussion of ionic vs. colloidal; I was getting dizzy reading the posts. Thanks for suggesting it Mike. How soon will you have it ready? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
RE: CS>please tell me, are you Dutch? beginners question
Han en/of Erna Nieuwmans, please tell me, are you Dutch speaking? From: Han en/of Erna Nieuwmans Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>beginners question Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:36:59 +0200 Hello Mike D. Thank you very much for your clear answers to my previous questions, about heating CS. The generator I bought last week is made by Special Energy Products, and is called the Electrolyser (price around 180 euro). It produces one litre of CS per batch. I have to leave the two silverelectrodes in the water for 35 minutes. The instructions say that if the Electrolyser is used properly, the silverparts will be less dan 0,005 micron. They advise to use distilled water and to clean the silver electrodes after about 15 min. with a soft cloth and when you are finished, after 35 minutes (and that's really necessary, I found!). Their website is: www.specialenergy.nl They sell all sorts of 'alternative' instruments and products, like for instance the Purple Plates by Nicola Tesla, which I use as well and which are lovely to wear around your neck. Indeed, the debate amongst the CS experts was 'the far from my bed show' (to use a Dutch saying!), but that's also because English is not my mothertongue. But that's something I simply have to accept in this case, that I can't understand everything I read on this list. Perhaps in a later stage I will be able to understand what the experts were talking about. And I think you are right: the info in this list should be for CS users on all levels, also the experts should be able to exchange ideas between them, without having to explain every single detail to others. But I still think also that Einstein was right by saying, that if you really understand something, you should be able to explain it to a child. Nice example: the film "What the Bleep do We (K)Now?!" The producers were able to explain quantum fysics in a very clear, understandable way for everyone who is sincerely interested and even if you don't have a scientific background. I have seen it this weekend and found it very intesting, a great movie indeed! But now my next beginners question, and I would be grateful if somebody would answer it: How can you state what the quality is of the CS you made? I understand that the colour says a lot, and if I understand well, cristal clear, colourless, is best. Is that correct? But how do I know if the CS is 'strong' enough? I didn't receive the bio tensor yet that I ordered, but surely there are other ways of stating the quality of your CS. Erna _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Ionic versus Colloidal
Re: CS>Ionic versus Colloidal From: Marshall Dudley wrote: Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:53:24 <"M. G. Devour" wrote: > > So we are left with the unanswered question of whether some mechanism > exists by which silver chloride -- or whatever other as yet > undetermined species might exist -- may form an effective fraction in > the complex environment of the blood. http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #206
To Brooks, who wrote:  Those possessing useful knowledge are, forever, under a moral mandate to share itin the most simple and direct terms available to them. You ARE the voice of wisdom!  Amen, and thank you, thank you, thank you!  I have an advanced degree, and have been to Oz to get a brain, but it has not helped me one whit to make head or tail of the extensive discussions this past week. (Has it only been a WEEK? Can you spell "interminable?") Now, I can't wait to get the "Reader's Digest" version. ;-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Mike et al, I contacted Stephen Quinto yesterday via email to ask him about the test since I was not sure what I was reading on his site. Here is what he told me today "There was NO media in the challenge. I don't suppose anyone carefully read the propocol. The challenge was carried out in pure lab-quality water for a very short period, minutes. The results were immediately plated out ON the media, not in it, so that if there were any survivors amongst the bacteria then they would have a nutrient to feed off and redevelop." This seems to change everything once more doesn't it? I had thought this was the question when I posted this a couple of days ago. "Since I'm only an amateur at culture work (used to culture mushroom strains) I fail to see why the test isn't valid. It seems he is trying to show that when Staph is mixed with dilute hydrochloric acid and further mixed with dilute silver of colloidal and ionic content that one set of cultures had a better kill rate. I wasn't aware the test involved growing onto the plate. I thought the plates were used only because they were a sterile medium that would not inhibit growth and would not influence the kill rate. What am I missing here? So, is the debate still an open one? I think so. Stephen also says he has done some other studies. Here is what he said. "We are currently doing a lot of 3rd party work, including comparative bacteriology, the results of which will blow everyone away anyway. The early results show Argentyn to be, on average, at least two logs superior to any of the competitive brands, including mesosilver. BTW, two logs means 100x! We're also doing third party TEM work at Georgia State, which will also confirm recent work we did at U of Miami. I think we'll publish the U of Miami Med School work now too." Trem www.silvergen.com - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? Hi gang, I wonder if the Ionic vs. Colloidal debate has had enough time now to begin to reach some consensus? Could maybe Trem, Marshall and/or Frank summarize what has been agreed to, learned, proven, disproven, or marked for futher study as a result of all this voluminous verbiage? It seems to have been a fruitful discussion, but we need to be sensitive to the fact that newcomers are not going to be able to get very much from such detailed information. If the topic continued much longer we'd start to lose people from confusion and boredom. Again, I'm not demanding a hard and fast cut-off, but am suggesting that we may be ready for a summary? Thank you folks, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 3/27/2005
Re: CS>basically dumb questioner [ode]
At 01:54 PM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Ode Coyote wrote: > >> I've seen the silver smearing off either electrode [should be just one, >> right?] >> >> Anyhow, you can buy Silver Hydroxide Reagent? and it's described as a >> white powder, virtually insoluable in water. > >Where? It is not in my Acros chemical book, and I cannot find a CAS number for >it. I have been looking for this for months now and have come up empty handed. ## I found several sources at chemical supply houses with a Google search a few months ago..and can't find a single one now. > >> >> >> There is a white powdery deposit that appears now and then under certain >> conditions. >> If the electrodes are very close to the bottom and no stirring is used, >> you get that white deposit on one side, a black spot on the other side >> under the electrode that turns black and shiny metallic plateout in between. > >Does that happen when ppm goes beyond 10 or so? I believe the solubility is low, >but between 10 and 20 ppm (which many chemists call insoluable). ## It happens after a good particle stream is running about in the water and contacts an obstruction such as the bottom of the container for a gooodly amount of time...probably only at over 10 PPM as under that , the water isn't conductive enough, nor are concentration zones around and between the electrodes in an "ion track" [My mis-use of a self coined term? ;-)] saturated enough to form or precipitate many particles of any kind. 'Ion tracking' might be a real term...but I still made it up. What's weird is that, when using lots of current and allowing "ion tracks" to form, golden particles cloud around one electrode, white ones around the other..and nothing in between unless something gets in the way. If something does get in the way, you get metallic silver plate out AND both colors of particle with a white spot and a black spot on either end. Reduce current and you only get the white ones. [This is my 'current' rule of thumb when deciding how much current to use] My 'guess' is that the white is silver hydroxide forming and the golden, some sort of silver oxide forming... both dissolving at the mid point and staying dissolved till some saturation point is reached either locally or thoughout. Then, metallic silver particulates? If current is low, I'm guessing that the oxides pretty much stay on the electrode and don't form in the water...no golden particlescolorless EIS at any PPM, unless some other contaminant starts playing the crystal nucleus role at some other varying point. Looping back around to the 'idea' of oxides playing a role in building crystal lattice structures making larger particles [with color due to size but not due to pigmentation from oxides] possible and susceptible to breaking apart with the addition of hydrogen peroxide later on...as hydrogen peroxide DOES discombobulate oxides on the black electrode and if used as part of the electrolyte, forms huge shiny silver snowflakes that eventually turn into black oxide balls...whereas and similar to...if an oxide black electrode, once cleaned and shined up by H2O2 is 'left' in H2O2, it turns black again. All that said, there may well be a few different acting forms of silver oxide involved at different times, under different conditions, in different places, doing different things. Whew! What things, when and how, goes too way far over my head to even guess at. All I 'know' is, it isn't at all simple...then ...it gets complicated even 'before' using the stuff in 'another' myrid of manners and combinations. Oh well, "plug and glug" works OK. We don't know what 'matter' is either, but we can still bonk ourselves on the head with it and believe it matters...taking an effect as proof that there's something there while looking closer reveals that nothing is. Proving that nothing really can put a dent in nothing other??? LOL The word paradox comes to mind. Ode > >Marshall > >> >> Ode >> >> At 01:48 PM 3/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: >> > >> >Re: CS>basic dumb question >> >From: Ode Coyote >> >Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:28:31 >> >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78900.html >> > >> > > Isn't silver hydroxide white? >> > >> > > Ode >> > >> > You might be thinking of silver chloride, AgCl, which is white but >> > turns black when exposed to light. >> > >> > The oxide that collects on the electrodes is black, but it can >> > appear brown when diluted in dw. You can barely make out the color >> > in these photos of misting: >> > >> > http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg >> > >> > and >> > >> > http://www.silverpuppy.com/resource/ionpud1.jpg >> > >> > Silver hydroxide (AgOH) decomposes around 100C, and silver oxide >> > (Ag2O) decomposes around 310C. I hope put some on a hot plate today >> > or tomorrow and will report the results. >> > >> > I'm pretty sure it will turn out to be silver hydroxide, since it >> > decomposes easily under the pressu
Re: CS>Warning for LV CS
Sorry, I mis-quoted. It's " Dogs excreted approximately 90% of an inhaled dose of metallic silver particles in the feces within 30 days of exposure." [Phalen and Morrow 1973] risk.lsd.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/silver_f_V1.shtml Following intratracheal administration to beagle dogs, the absorption of metallic silver particles appears to be extensive. Phalen and Morrow (1973) estimated that up to 90% of silver (mean aerodynamic diameter = 0.5 µm) deposited in the lungs of dogs was absorbed into the systemic circulation 6 hours after exposure. Six hours after intratracheal administration of metallic silver to dogs, 96.9, 2.4, and 0.35% of the initially deposited dose was detected in the lungs, liver, and blood, respectively. The remaining silver was detected in the gall bladder and bile, intestines, and stomach. After 225 days, the distribution in tissue type was similar, with most of the silver found in the liver (Phalen and Morrow, 1976). Note: distribution..not amount, as 90% was excreted after 30 days? Ode At 11:01 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Ode Coyote wrote: > >> Doses of ground silver dust where administered to dogs via inhalation. >> Elimination was 94% in 48 hours in the feces and urine. >> [Morrow 1967 or thereabouts] >> > >I really have a hard time figuring out how that is possible (I am saying I >don't see how it happens, not that the research is wrong). I would think that >silver particles would not penetrate the lung tissue, or be able to be >extracted from the blood stream by the liver or kidneys unless they were VERY >small, that is like the particles in our colloids. But typically grinding >produces particles which are huge by comparison. > >Do you have any more information on this research? The size of the original >particles, and when eliminated, what form were they in, still particles (and if >so what size), or some compound of silver? > >Marshall > >> >> Tell ya something? >> Be not afraid. >> >> Ode >> >> At 07:52 PM 3/25/2005 -0700, you wrote: >> > >> >What surface? >> >sol >> > >> >> >> >> WARNING: DO NOT USE THE NEBULIZER TO ADMINISTER "LOW QUALITY - LOW >> >> BIO-AVAILABILITY" COLLOIDAL SILVER! >> >> REASON: If the particle size is too large to 'penetrate' into the >> >> tissues, whatever is NOT absorbed remains on the surface, eventually >> >> causing build-ups and accumulation. Use the Nebulizer ONLY to administer >> >> a very highly bio-available CS - 80% and up! >> >> Remember, most LVDC CS is only 10-30% bio-available! >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >-- >> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.2 - Release Date: 3/25/2005 >> > >> > >> >-- >> >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> > >> >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> > >> >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> > >> >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >> >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> > >> >List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > >--GMAIL-42497EA9408AContent-Type: text/plain; x-avgÎrt; charseto-8859-1; x-avg-checkedg-ok-17BD1ACF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CS>CS debate
If someone says ionic >silver alone, it is not clear if they mean the ionic portion of EIS, or a silver >compound dissolved in water. ##Silver Hydroxide is a compound dissolved in water, hence ionic..right? See where distictions become confused? Is silver hydroxide dissolved or not? In this case it is, in that case it's virtually insoluable. OK, what about in "our" case? Many of 'our' terms are incorrect. True. It's only been recently that what form ions are in, in EIS, has come up. The assumption was that silver ions were floating around in water unaccompanied, carrying some sort of free charge about..and there just may be a stage were that is still true to some extent. However, those who frequent 'here' who know better and know how 'we' [mis] use the terms and still slur our 'false' distinctions without saying so... what of that? Although here we would likely assume the former, a >chemist would assume the latter. If we want to correct misconceptions given to >the public by researches or colloidal silver bashers, we have to understand the >terms that chemists use. If we attack the researcher for using the correct >term, because it conflicts with our own list useage of that term, then it makes >us look like we don't know what we are talking about and certainly does not give >us credibility in any discussions.[Marshall] ###If the goal of language is to unconfuse the confused but it's not used that way, then is it being used to further confuse the confused? Sure looks that way. At best, it comes across as meaningless. If it's meaningless, it's pointless unless the goal is to preserve ignorance. At worst, it's a manipulative bid to twist issues around and make things appear as they are not. ..nevermind that they aren't what we think they are anyhow... An honest purveyor of ideas would first untie the knot before yanking on the string so as not to tighten nooses. ..so why are we gasping for words that have meaning? Offhand, I'd say that our purpose 'here' is not to impress the community of chemists but to wallow out of our own muddy concepts we have found ourselves in after reading all the misconceptions, falsehoods and endlessly repeated myths found 'out there', placed there by nonchemists, chemists with adgendas and pretenders to knowledge. So far, "chemists" fail to agree on much, which in itself, is a relevelation of why there aren't more chemists involved. Where are the 'electro-chemists'? Probably off in some other field that doesn't relate to this application. To them, running electricity through distilled water is something that 'doesn't work' for their purposes, hence hasn't merited study. It wouldn't surprise me to find that they have little to no clue either. It sure looks like a field of unknowns and professionals don't care to admit that such a thing could exist. I've talked with highly placed Pharma researchers on the subject and gotten run arounds that led to silence. Being organo chemists, not electro metallurgists...my impression is "They" have no clue, but won't say so...and can't bear to say nothing. PHDs can be like that. :-) ..but one such person [whom I gave a CS generator to a few years back] is now doing 'big lab' research on metallic nanoparticles. He has become 'absolutely' silent lately. With the mainstream advent of Curad Silver and AGion technology licensing etc, it's becoming apparent that much study has been and is being done...but those doing it aren't here. [to run us around our tails with the actual proven facts] ode -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 11:56:32 -0500, Marshall Dudley wrote: >Maybe we should start a CS technical list where the experimenters, >researchers and so forth can post without cluttering the main list? > >Marshall Thou shalt not! I have gotten a new perception of Colliodal Silver and its relations from following this discussion. If the boffins all run away and mutter among themselves on a segregated group the poor white trash that drinks a daily dose of CS will never know the greater world of science and experimentation. You must stay and provide the needed enlightenment for the lurky readers. But please do sum up your arguments and move forward. I would like to read your ideas on disseminating the information about CS to a broader , general public. I surmise that the readers here all use CS preventively to maintain a high level of health, so how do we promote its use to a wider public? I am ready to toast the best answer with a mug of LVCS! Regards, Paul. >"M. G. Devour" wrote: > >> Hi gang, >> >> I wonder if the Ionic vs. Colloidal debate has had enough time now to >> begin to reach some consensus? >> >> Could maybe Trem, Marshall and/or Frank summarize what has been agreed >> to, learned, proven, disproven, or marked for futher study as a result >> of all this voluminous verbiage? >> >> It seems to have been a fruitful discussion, but we need to be >> sensitive to the fact that newcomers are not going to be able to get >> very much from such detailed information. If the topic continued much >> longer we'd start to lose people from confusion and boredom. >> >> Again, I'm not demanding a hard and fast cut-off, but am suggesting >> that we may be ready for a summary? >> >> Thank you folks, >> >> Mike Devour >> silver-list owner >> >> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] >> [mdev...@eskimo.com] >> [Speaking only for myself... ] >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Silver-Colloids responds
At 11:12 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Ode Coyote wrote: > >> Tests were done by Frank with an ion selective probe. He found no ions of >> silver. > >If this test is correct, then there are only 5 possibilities I can think of: > >1. No silver chloride makes it into the blood stream. >2. The silver chloride gets reduced to silver colloid the blood stream >3. The silver chloride gets changed to an insolable silver compound. >4. The silver binds with protein. >5. The silver ends up chelated. > >1 cannot be true since we know that taking large amounts of silver chloride >can cause argyria, so it has to make it to the blood stream. ##...except that we aren't talking about large amounts. Agyria is irrelevent to the discussion. I don't know how an ion selective probe works or what it detects. In context of the ionic definitions and distinctions debate going on, wouldn't dissolved silver chloride be "ionic" and be detected by an ion selective probe? And if the silver is no longer dissolved as an ionic compound that a probe could [or couldn't] detect, where is it and how is it? [Gone metallica?] If the probe couldn't detect a dissolved ionic compound, what does it detect?...free ions [sans anions] that can't exist? or is the silver chloride no longer dissolved somehow, as you mention? Adding later[Ahh, I missed the factor that silver chloride is insoluable.] Like watching the cliff hanger movie where the hero jumps off the cliff but you don't see him hit the rubble below.It just sounds like something important is being 'left out' of the story with no sequal planned. What's 'not found' leaves a great big question mark behind it...like the man sitting on a pile of gold who found no silver in his mine. Did he find diamonds and buy all that gold? ...maybe a rich uncle died. No matter. It's a joke with no punch line. Next. Ode --===AVGMAIL-42497EB240E8=== Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-17BD1ACF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CS>Thermal stiring
It will help but won't be enough to stir a gallon very well unless it's very short. A gallon jug is very tall and has much more surface area to lose heat than a 7 watt bulb can put out. It won't heat the water by very much, if at all. Putting a chimney in the gallon jug should work quite well. Put spacers on the edges of a funnel long enough to almost reach the surface of the water and invert it into the jug, fat side down. A plastic funnel can be used as a chimney except for the fact that they float. Could weigh it down with a stainess washer or two? [Don't use copper] Instead of spacers on a plastic funnel, drilling a few holes along the edge of the rim works to let water circulate. Ode At 03:02 PM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: I make my CS 1 gallon at a time, question do you thing a clear 7 watt night night bulb placed near bottom on side will provide Thermal Stiring of the CS. Should I monitor the temp to make sure it does not get past a certain temp, what temp would be my hi temp limit. Bob Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CS>
Could it be that the dissolved portions as ions and anions are unstable while the undissolved portions as a compound are stable? Ode At 06:41 PM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Marshall wrote: > >>> Silver ions in a solution cannot exist without water, so when the water >>> is >>> evaporated the silver ions (cations) must combine with an available anion >>> to >>> form a compound. The predominant anions present in a silver colloid >>> solution (EIS) are hydroxide and carbonate. > >> Where does the carbon come from? Absorbed CO2? > >Yes, from absorbed CO2. > >>> The compounds thus formed are silver hydroxide and silver carbonate. >>> Silver hydroxide is unstable and reduces to silver oxide and hydrogen. > >>I agree. > >>> The silver carbonate will reduce to silver oxide >>> and carbon dioxide. > >>Silver carbonate is a stable compound. It is available from Acros chemical >> with 99% purity. Why would it decompose unless exposed to light? > >We believe that: > >During desiccation the water (H2O) and silver carbonate (Ag2CO3) would first >form silver oxide (Ag2O) and carbonic acid (H2CO3). The carbonic acid >reduces to water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2) which is draw off leaving >the silver oxide (Ag2O). > >We will do some further checking and will confirm this later. > > >Frank Key >Colloidal Science Lab. >www.colloidalsciencelab.com > > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
RE: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
>A lot of innovation happens in somebody's garage, but a whole lot more >of it requires serious science and engineering, and the complex >language that goes along with it. ## The innovator does it...the scientists tells him what he did. But when the ignorant innovator does something really wild [not knowing he couldn't and not knowing what he did, just that something worked], it takes the scientists a while to figure it all out and even longer for it to dawn on them that they didn't know much of anything about that 'particular' subject despite all the education. Electrochemistry is a well developed field and science, but, no one appears to have done much study on running electricity through "distilled" water because they were looking to do something else and doing "that" didn't work well enough to study. I know a few electronics engineers who were very surprised that low voltage electricity 'could' be run through distilled water and don't know why it can to this day. I have a very bad CS generator that was designed by such an engineer who surely thought he needed a very high voltage without checking to see if the [ignorant innovators] reality was otherwise. The engineer that designed my circuitry said it wouldn't work. I just told him to put something on that napkin that does what I want it to and I'll worry about if it works or not. It did. He was surprised. I didn't know any better. I'm still finding out 'how' it works. Ode -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Body pH
Thank you for answering my post. What are the mg.of the coral calcium tablets you are taking and how many do you take and when?? Thanks mary -- Original message from "Ed Kasper" : -- No, I was OK taking high doses of CORAL calcium and had no problems. I got gout when I switched to regular calcium (calcium from shell fish - not coral calcium) and got gout. It depends upon the type of calcium. -Original Message- From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:09 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Body pH On another post you mention that you took higher dosages of coral calicum for gout. My husband has gout please advise!! Mary
Re: CS>Are there CS generators being sold in Asia?
Australia is pretty close Check out http://www.silverwell.com.au/ Ode At 04:50 AM 3/29/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >I just received an email from someone in Malaysia who wants a CS generator. >I can recommend a few good ones from the United States and Canada, but are >there any being sold in Asia or even Europe that anyone knows about? > >Thanks. >Nenah > >P.S. I was thinking that it would be *great* to have a summary of the recent >discussion of ionic vs. colloidal; I was getting dizzy reading the posts. >Thanks for suggesting it Mike. How soon will you have it ready? > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CS>basic dumb question
A month or so ago there was all sorts of info and people who sold silver hydroxide. I swear it said 'white powder'. Now, I can't anything but a decription as a tan 'substance' used for anion experiments. looking... Hey! Remember Reid Harvey? http://www.purifier.com.np/CS.htm http://www.dfgoldsmith.com/images/silver_alg.gif silver algaedyne? No luck today either. That white deposit spot on the bottom is 'something'. It doesn't turn black... that I recall. Haven't made one in years. Oh heck, I dunno. Ode At 10:37 AM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Do you have any references on silver hydroxide. I have no color >information, and from what I have read, it appears that silver hydroxide >can only exist when dissolved in water, when you dry it out (or it >precipitates), it becomes silver oxide, which is tan or brown. >Unfortunately there is very very little information I can find on silver >hydroxide, and what I do find is often contradicted by other information >elsewhere. > >Marshall > >Ode Coyote wrote: > >> Isn't silver hydroxide white? >> >> Ode >> > >> > Conclusions >> > ~~~ >> > Silver ions released from the anode quickly reached the nearby >> > cathode. >> > >> > Silver hydroxide formed in the Nernst Diffusion layer next to the >> > cathode: >> > >> > Ag(+) + OH(-) --> AgOH >> > >> > Some of the particles stuck to the cathode and formed a visible >> > black layer. >> > >> > Pressure during rubbing decomposed the hydroxide to silver metal. >> > >> > H2O2 dissolved the hydroxide and silver metal back to ions. >> > >> > The solubility of silver hydroxide is less than 0.655ppm and >> > probably can be taken as zero. >> > >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CS>basic dumb question
At 02:28 PM 3/28/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Ode Coyote wrote: > >> When using too much current, electrode ends close to the bottom, no >> stirring and lit from the bottom.. I have seen white particles at one >> electrode appearing to strean towards the other electrode, golden particles >> at the other appearing to go the other way and nothing in between. >> >> Under one electrode a white dusty looking deposit forms that fairly hard >> to remove. That electrode develops a white coating that can go to a tan >> color if the process goes long enough. [Presumably silver hydroxide and/or >> silver trapped on hydrogen bubbles] > >I believe that will be primarily silver oxide, and maybe some silver hydroxide >if the ionic content got too high. ## You don't get the coating at all till the ionic content IS high. Going from tan on the electrode at first and to white later on as ionic content gets even higher isn't uncommon but I don't recall the white spot as being any color but white [maybe starting out as tan at first but I don't remember seeing it do that]...and it only develops in a very high concentration 'zone'. ode > >> >> >> The other electrode accumulates a black deposit with a black spot >> underneath. [Presumably silver oxides] > >I believe that to be finely divided silver metal. If you can rub it and it >turns to silver, that should indicate it is silver metal. ## It seems that I can rub either side and get a silver smear. Rubbing the black side, I get both black and silver...mostly black. White side, mostly silver. Since there is probably uncharged metallic silver floating around getting stuck here and there on rough surfaces, rubbing might not be the best indicator of anything. >> >> Many things get mis stated on websites and even in scientific papers. >> One reference to silver hydroxide being black begs confirmation from >> elsewhere. >> They may have 'meant' to say silver oxide. > >I am not sure silver hydroxide can even be in a solid form, I think it is too >unstable to dry without forming silver oxide. But I still can't find any good >references. ## When allowing electrodes to dry, the wet stuff being dried has those silver ions in it that form black/brown oxides when dried. Probably not the best indicator of anything. I'll pay closer attention to what does what, say, if excess EIS water is whipped off before allowing the electrode to dry, does that make a color difference? I have plenty of dusty black AND white electrodes laying about. The white brushes right off with a soft brush. The black sticks better. I tend to whip off excess water. I think I see your point though. If the silver hydroxide IS dissolved, the silver ions and anion hydroxls are free to float about [right?] The hydroxl anion is very unstable and may well be replaced by oxygen to make silver oxide. But, there's also that silver hydroxide that's not dissolved...that IS?? stable.. that should dry out as a white or tan powdery substance or coating and apparently does just that. Perhaps silver hydroxide is pressure sensitive? Honest Injun..I did see bags of silver hydroxide in at least 2 chemical catalogs, for sale, with a price. Why I can't find it now is a mystery to me. Ode > >Marshall > >> >> >> Ode >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005
Re: CS>CS Questions
> >Good question. Silver particles are conductive, and could be affected by the >microwave field. I would take some and put it in the microwave and heat it as >you want, then use a laser to see if the tyndall changes from what was put in >there. If it does not change I think it is probably fine, if it does change, >then I would not do it. I did just that yesterday. [Heated colorless well stabilized CS with heavy TE to boiling in a microwave] TE is still the same today. No noticeable change at all. Radiation is probably absorbed by the silver particles and energy conducted into the water as heat at near the same rate. Did it again today. No significant change in conductivity. TE the same as parent. No apparent change at all What happens to it when it's very fresh or over heated as it's being made is another story. In that case, around 120 deg F seems to be a threshold beyond which yellow CS [EIS] is the result. Ode -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>beginners question
Good day, Erna, > They advise to use distilled water and to clean the silver electrodes > after about 15 min. with a soft cloth and when you are finished, after > 35 minutes (and that's really necessary, I found!). Their website is: > www.specialenergy.nl Could you go to their web site and find the page where they display the CS generator, and copy the web page address here, please? I couldn't find it. (Perhaps the fact I have only *one* language is my problem!) 35 minutes seems like an awfully short time to finish a batch. That's one reason I want to see what it looks like and how the electrodes are arranged. We would also need to know what it uses for a power supply: batteries? How many and what voltage? Mains power? What is the output voltage of the transformer? Do they tell you to add anything to the distilled water, such as salt, saline, brine, or soda? Also, that 35 minutes is with the water heated, right? With those questions answered I imagine we'll be able to figure out what you're doing and if there's any way (or need) to improve it. > ... And I think you are right: the info in this list should be for CS > users on all levels, also the experts should be able to exchange ideas > between them, without having to explain every single detail to others. > But I still think also that Einstein was right by saying, that if you > really understand something, you should be able to explain it to a > child. Yep. I think both need to happen. Those high-powered discussions where the jargon gets flowing and the brains rooting deep into the meat of the question... You can't let mere communication get in the way of the flow. But for useful information to come of them, some translation is needed. That comes when it's done. > But now my next beginners question, and I would be grateful if somebody > would answer it: How can you state what the quality is of the CS you > made? I understand that the colour says a lot, and if I understand well, > cristal clear, colourless, is best. Is that correct? But how do I know > if the CS is 'strong' enough? There are several guidelines and rules of thumb that will assist you. First, if you're copying your recipe and equipment from somebody who has done good analysis and had good results in use, then you'll likely get the same results. Some generator designs will yield a workable product that may be a pale golden or straw color. This was considered fine for years, though we've learned how to make it clear, which most of us now believe is better. Buy an inexpensive laser pointer and shine the beam through the CS. If you can see the red beam in the water, you know that you have some form of particles in the water. This is called the Tyndall effect. If it is clear, colorless and has a faint tyndall effect, odds are you'll discover that your CS works well in use. It may be faint enough that you'll need to view in a darkened room to see it. If you have absolutely *no* Tyndall effect, you'll have either made a purely ionic preparation with no particles at all (unlikely), or else such a *weak* preparation that it may require bigger doses to work, if it works at all. You'd have to run longer to make it stronger. Taste is another indicator, though it varies a lot between individuals. If the CS has a metallic taste, you know that you've got something in the water, at least! One person may not notice the taste at all while another finds it so strong as to be objectionable. So it's more of a yes or no, rather than relative measurement. Lastly there are tests and measurements that can be made. You can usually find an environmental laboratory that can measure "silver concentration in clean water" using things like Atomic Absorption Spectroscopy, Mass Spectroscopy, or other sophisticated assays. They will charge a fee per test, and may or may not be terribly accurate despite the expense. It will prove to you that you've got something, and give you an idea of how much, but if you change anything in your process, the numbers won't be valid any more. Then there are instruments like the Hannah Pure Water Tester (PWT) that cost about $50 (US) that let you measure the conductivity of the water before brewing (very low, hopefully) and the CS after it's made, which will give you an approximate idea, again, of the concentration. The bottom line is that without a lot of expense, you will never know exactly how much silver you've got in your water, but it really does not matter, because the proof is in the use. Start with a very small dose (maybe only a few drops) to make sure you don't react badly for any reason. Then ramp up until you sense some effect. Back off if you get a die-off reaction and start to feel poorly. Take enough to just remain comfortable. People use anywhere from spoonfuls to liters per day depending on how they make their CS and what they're trying to accomplish. Knowing to the least decimal just how strong your CS
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Maybe we should start a CS technical list where the experimenters, researchers and so forth can post without cluttering the main list? Marshall "M. G. Devour" wrote: > Hi gang, > > I wonder if the Ionic vs. Colloidal debate has had enough time now to > begin to reach some consensus? > > Could maybe Trem, Marshall and/or Frank summarize what has been agreed > to, learned, proven, disproven, or marked for futher study as a result > of all this voluminous verbiage? > > It seems to have been a fruitful discussion, but we need to be > sensitive to the fact that newcomers are not going to be able to get > very much from such detailed information. If the topic continued much > longer we'd start to lose people from confusion and boredom. > > Again, I'm not demanding a hard and fast cut-off, but am suggesting > that we may be ready for a summary? > > Thank you folks, > > Mike Devour > silver-list owner > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
None of us are saying that EIS does not work. Most of the discussion is on the process by which it works, gets into the blood, what form it take when it gets there and so forth. No matter what the consensus on these points, the fact is, IT DOES WORK, and has essentually no downside or side effects. So unless you are concerned with the more esoteric topic, just ignore the discussion. As far as the result of the discussions, in some places it may be that we will agree to disagree. Marshall ol...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/28/2005 8:04:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, > mdev...@eskimo.com writes: > > It seems to have been a fruitful discussion, but we need to > be > sensitive to the fact that newcomers are not going to be > able to get > very much from such detailed information. If the topic > continued much > longer we'd start to lose people from confusion and boredom. > > Thanks Mike,Some of us may have only an 8th grade education. It's hard > to follow the wisdom and experience of those that have had the > privilege to go to schools of higher learning.Their language is too > far above the rest of us. (And they are entitled to their ranks), but > PLEASE let the rest of us know what is the results of all these > 'arguments' in PLAIN TERMS.We have invested considerable time and > efforts to try to utilize what we thought was a viable product to > combat most of our dilemmas. For the rest of us, it IS confusing to > try to understand what they are saying.So, do I throw out my CS/IES > with my generator and go on to something else?Or maybe get a jug of > good Vodka to sip on and forget it all.I'm > discouraged,Thom
CS>beginners question
Hello Mike D. Thank you very much for your clear answers to my previous questions, about heating CS. The generator I bought last week is made by Special Energy Products, and is called the Electrolyser (price around 180 euro). It produces one litre of CS per batch. I have to leave the two silverelectrodes in the water for 35 minutes. The instructions say that if the Electrolyser is used properly, the silverparts will be less dan 0,005 micron. They advise to use distilled water and to clean the silver electrodes after about 15 min. with a soft cloth and when you are finished, after 35 minutes (and that's really necessary, I found!). Their website is: www.specialenergy.nl They sell all sorts of 'alternative' instruments and products, like for instance the Purple Plates by Nicola Tesla, which I use as well and which are lovely to wear around your neck. Indeed, the debate amongst the CS experts was 'the far from my bed show' (to use a Dutch saying!), but that's also because English is not my mothertongue. But that's something I simply have to accept in this case, that I can't understand everything I read on this list. Perhaps in a later stage I will be able to understand what the experts were talking about. And I think you are right: the info in this list should be for CS users on all levels, also the experts should be able to exchange ideas between them, without having to explain every single detail to others. But I still think also that Einstein was right by saying, that if you really understand something, you should be able to explain it to a child. Nice example: the film "What the Bleep do We (K)Now?!" The producers were able to explain quantum fysics in a very clear, understandable way for everyone who is sincerely interested and even if you don't have a scientific background. I have seen it this weekend and found it very intesting, a great movie indeed! But now my next beginners question, and I would be grateful if somebody would answer it: How can you state what the quality is of the CS you made? I understand that the colour says a lot, and if I understand well, cristal clear, colourless, is best. Is that correct? But how do I know if the CS is 'strong' enough? I didn't receive the bio tensor yet that I ordered, but surely there are other ways of stating the quality of your CS. Erna
Re: CS>Warning for LV CS
So you are both saying then that the colloidal silver has nothing to do with reducing/obviating of the bruise or the inflammation - it is the energy/massage/mindset which works the magic ? Sandee "The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to realize that he could not do it." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
No Mike, I'm not into manufacturing (as in making more than one, or a commercial venture). The term "lethal voltages" is grossly overused, at least in this instance. If you have a microwave oven, a TV, or even a bedside lamp, you are already harboring "lethal voltage" devices in your home. Common sense is always a requirement, and is not the exclusive providence of engineers. This particular instance of hacking a microwave gives you a device that has a power interlocked door and a programable timer. Bob Burger was getting kinda excited about this method after starting to investigate it. "Low Quality" indeed! It's "safer" than the neon transformer I was using prior to this. Of course, as usual, YMMV. I'm always interested in your analysis' Mike but they still have to pass the grain of salt test. Oh, BTW, on your mold saga, I recently tried to tackle a moldy spot on a wall to clean it off. Tried bleach and other cleansers without much progress before I thought of TV's Oxyplus as touted by Billy Mays. I made a pasty concoction with hottish water and smeared it on the patch. Let it dry overnight. Darned if it didn't take it right off! I'm impressed! Chuck Better Living through Alchemy On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:23:55 -0500, Mike Monett wrote: >Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? >From: cking001 >Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:37:19 >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79104.html > > [...] > > > Heck, I went to a third iteration of manufacturing using a ripped > > apart microwave oven for its 4 kv DC power supply. I think it was > > Duncan Crows design. > > > Mike M says it sucks, but it's the best one I've done yet. Works > > for me quick easy and high quantity. > > > Chuck > > Hi Chuck, > > Yes, that's Duncan's as I mentioned in my post. It can be lethal as > he points out. > > I said > >"My conclusion is it is simply not worth the effort to deal with >deadly voltages and currents to produce poor quality cs." > > I produce far higher quality cs with much lower voltages and > currents. For me, the risk was not worth it. If you are in > manufacturing, you have completely different requirements. > >Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? COMMENT
Thanks again, Brooks for ALL the excellent information you continue to so generously share with "us seekers"! You have stated this so eloquently and I believe we can all understand and appreciate it. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com http://www.seasilver.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Brooks Bradley [mailto:brooks76...@lycos.com] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:45 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? COMMENT Dear Thom, Please do not be discouraged by the dialogues on "Ionic versus Particulate" silver. both types have---beyond questionbeen confirmed to evince excellent control over a large number of pathogenic insults (both bacterial and viral), by our research staff. We have have access to and activities by, scholars, researchers, and academics equal to that of a consequential number of prestigious (by general acceptance) University staffscurrently extant. Our research has, categorically, confirmed that it is quite DIFFICULT to manufacture an electrically isolated colloidal silver THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE as a bacterial/viral control agent..even when using many "contaminated water sources". While certainly not a recommended procedure, I would not hesitate to use rain-based runoff waterif a life-threatening event left me no other viable choice. I do not wish to take sides in any adversarial exchange on this list, but feel compelled to say, "man should be allowed dogmatism on one basis, at least.that being personal experience". We in the Academic/scientific community have too-long sequestered unto ourselves, via self-appointment, the position of sole-purveyors of superior knowledge (some even claim wisdom)a dangerous activity at best. Ingersol, I believe, made an interesting comment (in one of his more iconoclastic moments) once." Educated experts gather to declaim an invention or achievement is impossible, while the untaught genius accomplishes this impossibility-if too many experts gather frequently enough; progress may cease altogether." I certainly do not mean to denigrate my chosen profession in this life, but do sometimes encounter sadness when my fellows choose to use their technical/educational advantage as a "Coward's Castle".feeling supremely confident their intellectual superiority insures against any "real" reprisal---from lesser mortals. The failure in this situation, as I see it, is that we often (in academia) allow our subconscious desire to "impress", to overcome our declared purpose to "express" the knowledge we hold so dear. Those possessing useful knowledge are, forever, under a moral mandate to share itin the most simple and direct terms available to them. You, Thom, are the one on the high ground.if only because of your honest desire to learnwith no strings attached. This epistle comes by way of my personal apology for the times in life I have allowed personal imperfection to enable me in similar self-indulgences. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. - Original Message - From: ol...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:45:15 EST > > > In a message dated 3/28/2005 8:04:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, > mdev...@eskimo.com writes: > > It seems to have been a fruitful discussion, but we need to be > sensitive to the fact that newcomers are not going to be able to get > very much from such detailed information. If the topic continued much > longer we'd start to lose people from confusion and boredom. > > > > Thanks Mike, > Some of us may have only an 8th grade education. It's hard to follow the > wisdom and experience of those that have had the privilege to go to > schools of > higher learning. > Their language is too far above the rest of us. (And they are entitled to > their ranks), but PLEASE let the rest of us know what is the results of all > these 'arguments' in PLAIN TERMS. > We have invested considerable time and efforts to try to utilize what we > thought was a viable product to combat most of our dilemmas. For > the rest of us, > it IS confusing to try to understand what they are saying. > So, do I throw out my CS/IES with my generator and go on to something else? > Or maybe get a jug of good Vodka to sip on and forget it > all. > I'm discouraged, > Thom -- ___ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your mess
Re: CS>Ionic versus Colloidal
Hi Marshall, Granted your point that CS is relatively ineffective in a solid medium. But I would imagine that a laboratory that is used to testing germicides would know what they are doing. Any food factory / yeast producer / beer brewery should be able to help with this or point you in the correct direction. . It is highly conceivable that the procedure was along the lines of : to take a known solution of ecoli (or whatever) and introduce to various dilutions of CS for a certain contact time and then to culture those on or in agar and then observe / count the ecoli colonies. hth, regards, Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>time for closing argument
Erna quoted: > "IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, YOU ARE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT TO A > CHILD". Ernie replies, > Thank you Erna, > > I think that should be the closing statement to this whole fiasco! :-) I guess that ought to put the discussion in its proper context. What we saw here the past few days were the experts thrashing out some of their differences of opinion on the way towards being *able* to "explain it to a child." Now, would you *NOT* like the Silver List to occasionally host such debates? Have you considered that the last such discussion occurred some *years* ago? And didn't result then in anywhere near as much actual progress as we've just seen? Yeah. This is part of what we do here, too. Notice that I stepped in a couple of times to keep them focused and de- emphasize the personality conflicts that have long compounded this disagreement. I think it went okay. If it's been a little daunting to new people, I hope we only need to explain to them that the list is equally ready to address their basic questions. All they need to do is ask. Be well, Mike Devour da list owner guy in the striped shirt with the whistle... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>basic dumb question
Re: CS>basic dumb question From: Mike Monett Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:28:54 Background ~~ Earlier, I posted the results of an experiment to determine the solubility of silver hydroxide in dw. The conclusion is silver hydroxide is insoluble: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78851.html Silver hydroxide is formed during silver electrolysis and when cs evaporates. The equation is Ag(+) + OH(-) --> AgOH It is black or dark brown, and can decompose under pressure to produce silver metal and oxygen. Contrary to recent statements, silver hydroxide is stable at temperatures under 100C, where it decomposes to silver metal and oxygen. It is easy to distinguish between silver hydroxide (AgOH) and silver oxide (Ag2O) since silver oxide decomposes at 300C (572F). Procedure ~ To generate silver hydroxide for this experiment, I repeated the experiment described above. When the cathode was covered with a black coat, I removed it and let it dry. The appearance changed a little but not much. The rod was placed on a hot plate under a stereo zoom microscope. A thermometer was used to determine the temperature. As the hot plate began to heat up, it was obvious where the heating elements were located. The 12ga silver rod turned from black to gray each time it crossed the spiral element. The thermometer read only 160 degrees F when the pattern began appearing. It was very clear at 180F. When the thermometer reached 210 degrees F, the rod was completely gray. No black coating remained. I removed the rod with pliers and let it cool in the air. When cool, I wiped it with a tissue. The tissue had a small spot of shiny silver metal where it touched the rod. I wiped the anode rod, that had not been heated, with the same tissue. It left a black patch with a small shiny spot in the middle. Conclusion ~~ The conclusion is the black coating produced by electrolysis and the evaporation of cs is silver hydroxide, AgOH. Reference ~ I previously located a MSDS for AgOH that stated the decomposition temperature of 100C, but unfortunately lost it and all references to silver hydroxide seem to have disappeared from the web. The only reference I can find that mentions the decomposition temperature of AgOH is below. It states 250F instead of 212F: http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/SHA_SIV/SILVANUS_Lat_silva_wood_.html Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>time for closing argument
Thank you Erna, I think that should be the closing statement to this whole fiasco! :-) -Original Message- From: Han en/of Erna Nieuwmans [mailto:libra...@planet.nl] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>time for closing argument In addition to what Brook and others wrote, I would like to add the following words by Albert Einstein: "IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, YOU ARE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT TO A CHILD". Erna
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps?
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? From: cking001 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:37:19 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79104.html [...] > Heck, I went to a third iteration of manufacturing using a ripped > apart microwave oven for its 4 kv DC power supply. I think it was > Duncan Crows design. > Mike M says it sucks, but it's the best one I've done yet. Works > for me quick easy and high quantity. > Chuck Hi Chuck, Yes, that's Duncan's as I mentioned in my post. It can be lethal as he points out. I said "My conclusion is it is simply not worth the effort to deal with deadly voltages and currents to produce poor quality cs." I produce far higher quality cs with much lower voltages and currents. For me, the risk was not worth it. If you are in manufacturing, you have completely different requirements. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? COMMENT
- Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" To: Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:45 PM Subject: Re: CS>Time for closing arguments, perhaps? COMMENT Dear Thom, Please do not be discouraged by the dialogues on "Ionic versus Particulate" silver. both types have---beyond questionbeen confirmed to evince excellent control over a large number of pathogenic insults (both bacterial and viral), by our research staff. We have have access to and activities by, scholars, researchers, and academics equal to that of a consequential number of prestigious (by general acceptance) University staffscurrently extant. Our research has, categorically, confirmed that it is quite DIFFICULT to manufacture an electrically isolated colloidal silver THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE as a bacterial/viral control agent..even when using many "contaminated water sources". While certainly not a recommended procedure, I would not hesitate to use rain-based runoff waterif a life-threatening event left me no other viable choice. Brooks, Thank you for this VERY important piece of information. I do not wish to take sides in any adversarial exchange on this list, but feel compelled to say, "man should be allowed dogmatism on one basis, at least.that being personal experience". Some Native populations really understood (and still understand) the value of actual experience. Ivory towered folk can tend to live in their heads and forget to (literally) embody -- and value -- their experience. I'm reminded of the expression, "My mind is already made up, don't confuse me with the facts [of your experience]!" Ignoring the (valid) experience of others is what dogmatists do. Isn't this why many of us choose to self-treat and avoid seeing rigidly trained medical doctors? Best, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Are there CS generators being sold in Asia?
I just received an email from someone in Malaysia who wants a CS generator. I can recommend a few good ones from the United States and Canada, but are there any being sold in Asia or even Europe that anyone knows about? Thanks. Nenah P.S. I was thinking that it would be *great* to have a summary of the recent discussion of ionic vs. colloidal; I was getting dizzy reading the posts. Thanks for suggesting it Mike. How soon will you have it ready? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
