Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread sol
Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a colloid with 
a 2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, none 
of the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or 
something? Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark 
in color?

sol

Stuff wrote:



More on Microdyn...

http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html

stuff




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Re: CS>CS & other cancer therapies

2005-05-12 Thread Jonathan B. Britten

Thanks very much for the reply.

I am familiar with surrogate testing, but my goal is to perform 
independent, solo tests.


I am not surprised that spring devices are useless;  they are too 
imprecise and the very fact that the device includes metal makes in 
useless.  Special materials are needed.   I have searched for years and 
found nothing useful;  even expensive high-tech devices like the 
Compu-FET may not work because of electromagnetic field interference.   
(I have yet to try such a device.)


Again, thanks.   We will just have to keep our ears open for any new 
devices that may appear.




On Thursday, May 12, 2005, at 13:58 Asia/Tokyo, grace1...@aol.com wrote:

I have a spring device I obtained from the NAET clinic where they use 
and teach self muscle testing.  I can say from personal experience 
that the device is worthless.  Also,  although I have practiced quite 
a bit for three years, using the o-ring technique, and the middle 
finger on top of the index finger techniques, I am still not able to 
reliably muscle test myself. 

 
I've seen persons expert at using the SE-5 radionics device use it to 
get yes/no answers about anything, but I can't use my machine because 
I am not able to sense the galvanic skin resistance.  I know a lot of 
other people who aren't able to do that either.  So making a device 
along those lines could not be used by many people. 

 
I've heard of classes in kinesiology somewhat nearby.  Perhaps they 
would know of reliable instruments for self-testing.  I will get the 
number for this organization as soon as I can.

 
If you can reliably muscle test someone else, you could test 
yourself using them as a surrogate for you.  Are you interested in a 
description of how this works?

 
I too would be very interested in a reliable instrument for self 
muscle testing.  I would not be in a position to make it myself, 
however.

 
Jill
 
 


Re: CS>OT: Help With Cat Injury

2005-05-12 Thread Raine

As far as I know CS is completely safe for cats.

I add it to my cat's drinking water continuously (in small doses).

-Raine

SCD Traveler wrote:


Is it safe for cats? Internally?
thanks for any response





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CS>CS & Teeth Stains

2005-05-12 Thread Raine

Hi all,

I've been swishing the CS twice daily to treat gum disease. After a few
weeks I discovered some brown staining on my teeth! In discussing teeth,
gums and such on another list, I found others who experienced this as
well, and suspected the CS.

I've changed to using a CS/H202/water solution for swishing in hopes of
eliminating the staining, but not doing damage to the enamel from acidity.

My question; has anyone else encountered this, and if so what did they
do to rid themselves of the staining?

Thanks,
Raine


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RE: CS>TDS/PWT, was Re: CS>Re: CS and PPM-levels

2005-05-12 Thread Ode Coyote
  Any constant voltage generator will do that.
 Starting at 4.5 uS is pretty well into the fast rise of the 'runaway'
acceleration curve.

Ode

At 11:15 AM 5/11/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Some processes yield more CS is the starting PPM of the water is higher, at
>about 4.5, rather than the extremely pure .4 MS.  Pardon my mixing of units.
>I am in a bit of a hurry and do not remember the equivalents. 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:15 AM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>TDS/PWT, was Re: CS>Re: CS and PPM-levels
>
>  Most people can start with as high as 5 uS. [2-3 PPM]
>.4 uS water is extremely pure.  The norm is more like .8 to 1.2 uS
> You [Sol] have a special circumstance.
> BTW, you are correct.
>
>Ode
>
>At 12:39 PM 5/10/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>>
>>Yes. Plus it is my understanding that with a TDS the lowest possible 
>>measurement above 0 is 1. Since 1.0 is too high for starting DW for me 
>>to make clear CS, the PWT is best for me. My starting DW needs to be .4 
>>uS or lower so a TDS would not work for me.
>>If this is incorrect, someone please correct me.
>>Thanks,
>>sol
>>
>>marmar...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> In a message dated 5/10/05 4:10:24 AM Central Daylight Time, 
>>> odecoy...@alltel.net writes:
>>>
>>>
 A Hanna PWT reads out in microseimens of conductivity. [uS]

 Hanna also make TDS meters that read out in PPM.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So -- to reiterate -- a Hanna PWT tester should be taken at face value 
>>> -- no multiplying or dividing the numbers on the digital readout.  A 
>>> TDS meter would require multiplying the numbers shown.  Have I got 
>>> that right?MA
>>>
>>>
>>
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RE: CS>Recycling Urine

2005-05-12 Thread Ode Coyote

  My very earliest memory is peeing in my ear and laughing like a madman
[er baby] at the expression on Moms face.
 That was FUNNY! [And quite a good shot]

Ode

At 06:22 PM 5/11/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>My parents tried to get me to squirt it in directly, and then laughed like
>hell when I missed. 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Elaine [mailto:ela...@kc.rr.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:04 PM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: CS>Recycling Urine
>
>My parents would have us urinate in a pot and then put drops of the urine in
>our ears when we had an ear ache.  Worked quite well.
>
>Elaine
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Re: CS>just an observation...

2005-05-12 Thread Ode Coyote
 The body takes time to come up to speed...'after' it decides there is a problem.
Many microbes replicate much faster.
The immune system is always playing catch up and usually does catch up after a while.
CS works 'now'...'if' enough gets to where it's needed.
Either way, kill rate has to exceed replication rate and the greater the difference, the faster the cure.
It's a drag race with microbes having a head startand CS is a shot of NOS. [BOOST]

Ode

At 09:15 PM 5/11/2005 -0400, you wrote: 

I am completely floored at how effective and how QUICKLY CS works.  I burned my hand day before yesterday taking something out of the oven.  I sprayed cs topically on it several times that evening.  It was a superficial burn but in the past would blister and then form a thin scab then heal.  I sprayed the cs on it periodically that night, and then a few times the next day.  I was stunned to find that although it really hurt I had No blister form and no scab.  I am looking at it now and it has a shiny place on the finger where I burned it but that it IT!


Then today I noticed that I had a place on my gums that was getting a bit swollen around where two teeth meet.  Normally I floss, scrub with toothpaste and baking soda, and repeat.  The swelling usually subsides by the next morning.  I did my normal routine but noticed that the swelling was quite painful.  So I tried again.  Then I remembered I could use CS on it with a cotton swab.  It has been 2 hours later and the swelling is GONE.  I am stunned.


OK, so this makes me wonder.  see the body can and does heal itself.  Most infections or illnesses are cleared up within 10 day to two weeks.  Most doctors know this and try to get their patients to wait at least that long before treatment.  Most people however want the pill, so a prescription is prescribed and the meds are taken.


Is it possible, that the meds are really NOT working but the body's natural ability to heal itself is (despite having to fight the drugs)?  I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly.  If the drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast healing rates?


Lori


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Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread M. G. Devour
> If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really like to know. I
> still think mine is going down the toilet... Marshalee

Unless you have an active urinary tract infection, then, yes, it is 
sterile. I'm sure the smell comes from the many other constituents of 
the fluid.

Be well,

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Re: CS>OT: Help With Cat Injury

2005-05-12 Thread Ode Coyote
  CS has been keeping a [supposedly] fatal case of feline leukemia at bay
for going on 6 years now in a friends cat.
 The cat prefers drinking the CS over any other water.

Ode

At 01:19 AM 5/12/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>
>As far as I know CS is completely safe for cats.
>
>I add it to my cat's drinking water continuously (in small doses).
>
>-Raine
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>SCD Traveler wrote:
>
>> Is it safe for cats? Internally?
>> thanks for any response
>>
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RE: CS>Recycling Urine

2005-05-12 Thread M. G. Devour
Ode wrote:
>   My very earliest memory is peeing in my ear and laughing like a madman
> [er baby] at the expression on Moms face.
>  That was FUNNY! [And quite a good shot]

I guess it's a guy thing... 

Mike D.

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Re: CS>Recycling Urine

2005-05-12 Thread Albert Peirce
If I were making an educated guess, UO, since we have been on the topic of 
Urine Therapy for weeks now, probably is an acronym for "Urinate Off", i. e. 
Piss Off, for those of you of less delicate sensibilities. Regards, Al
- Original Message - 
From: "Faith Saint Francis" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Recycling Urine



UO = please? You Owe mebbe?
(Dutch born boy)
Faith


From: "Jim Holmes" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>Recycling Urine
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:23:53 -0600

Move it, lest we UO the list owner.

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Recycling Urine

This topic comes up frequently everywhere I've been in the alt-health
community. I have heard about it from so many people I consider
reliable that I can't dismiss it as I might have at one time.

As bizarre or distasteful as it may sound to the uninitiated, I
consider it just one of the many interesting "secrets" waiting for us
"outside the box."

Migration of the subject to the Off Topic List would probably be
wise... soon.

Thank you folks,

Mike D.
list owner dude

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Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread M. G. Devour
Marshalee writes:
> Well, I guess that is so, for if I eat fish or crab, then it sure smells
> fishy!! 

Or asparagus...

>Friday is my birthday

Happy birthday!

> ... good enough, but it is also Friday the 13th. Shudder. Normally I`m
> not superstitious, but every year that that happens, something bad also
> happens. Divoce, death etc. What will happen this time?? 

A perfectly normal, even better than average day! And I said so!!! 

Got that, Marshalee!!!??

>   BTW, my 3 month old Pug puppy is a firm believer in recycling her own
> poop! Wonder what benefits that has??? LOL Marshalee

Lordy, let's not even go there!!! 

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Re: CS>OT: Help With Cat Injury

2005-05-12 Thread sol
My cat has been drinking the EIS straight, when I refill their water 
dishhe dives in and starts in on the EIS before I can add the water. 
I figure he knows what he is doing.
For a sprained paw, I have dipped the paw in a mix of EIS and DMSO and 
also dabbed it onto the paw with a cotton ball. It healed right up, with 
no infection

sol

Ode Coyote wrote:


 CS has been keeping a [supposedly] fatal case of feline leukemia at bay
for going on 6 years now in a friends cat.
The cat prefers drinking the CS over any other water.

Ode

At 01:19 AM 5/12/2005 -0700, you wrote:
 


As far as I know CS is completely safe for cats.

I add it to my cat's drinking water continuously (in small doses).

-Raine

SCD Traveler wrote:

   


Is it safe for cats? Internally?
thanks for any response


 

 




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RE: CS>OT: Help With Cat Injury

2005-05-12 Thread David W Kenney
The only negative about all this is knowing whether the CS prevents
transmission.  If it is truly Leukemia positive then it is a danger to other
cats it comes in contact with.
I would have the cat rechecked to see if it has converted to a negative
testto be safe.


-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>OT: Help With Cat Injury

My cat has been drinking the EIS straight, when I refill their water 
dishhe dives in and starts in on the EIS before I can add the water. 
I figure he knows what he is doing.
For a sprained paw, I have dipped the paw in a mix of EIS and DMSO and 
also dabbed it onto the paw with a cotton ball. It healed right up, with 
no infection
sol

Ode Coyote wrote:

>  CS has been keeping a [supposedly] fatal case of feline leukemia at bay
>for going on 6 years now in a friends cat.
> The cat prefers drinking the CS over any other water.
>
>Ode
>
>At 01:19 AM 5/12/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>  
>
>>As far as I know CS is completely safe for cats.
>>
>>I add it to my cat's drinking water continuously (in small doses).
>>
>>-Raine
>>
>>SCD Traveler wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Is it safe for cats? Internally?
>>>thanks for any response
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>  
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Re: CS>CS & Teeth Stains

2005-05-12 Thread S Khanna
What works for me with the staining is brushing with baking soda.  I always use 
it to whiten teeth, even getting a little on a toothpick and carefully going 
between the teeth.  It does a wonderful job.
 
Sally

Raine  wrote:
Hi all,

I've been swishing the CS twice daily to treat gum disease. After a few
weeks I discovered some brown staining on my teeth! In discussing teeth,
gums and such on another list, I found others who experienced this as
well, and suspected the CS.

I've changed to using a CS/H202/water solution for swishing in hopes of
eliminating the staining, but not doing damage to the enamel from acidity.

My question; has anyone else encountered this, and if so what did they
do to rid themselves of the staining?

Thanks,
Raine


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RE: CS>Recycling Urine

2005-05-12 Thread lkfields
Not as funny as peeing in mom's face!  LOL.  My son did that until I figured
out how to change a baby boys diaper.  LOL.   

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Recycling Urine


  My very earliest memory is peeing in my ear and laughing like a madman [er
baby] at the expression on Moms face.
 That was FUNNY! [And quite a good shot]

Ode

At 06:22 PM 5/11/2005 -0600, you wrote:
>
>My parents tried to get me to squirt it in directly, and then laughed 
>like hell when I missed.
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 6:04 PM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: CS>Recycling Urine
>
>My parents would have us urinate in a pot and then put drops of the 
>urine in our ears when we had an ear ache.  Worked quite well.
>
>Elaine
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RE: CS>Recycling Urine

2005-05-12 Thread lkfields
I thought it meant urinate ON the list owner! LOL 

-Original Message-
From: Albert Peirce [mailto:aepei...@fuse.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Recycling Urine

If I were making an educated guess, UO, since we have been on the topic of
Urine Therapy for weeks now, probably is an acronym for "Urinate Off", i. e.

Piss Off, for those of you of less delicate sensibilities. Regards, Al
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From: "Faith Saint Francis" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Recycling Urine


> UO = please? You Owe mebbe?
> (Dutch born boy)
> Faith
>
>>From: "Jim Holmes" 
>>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>To: 
>>Subject: RE: CS>Recycling Urine
>>Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:23:53 -0600
>>
>>Move it, lest we UO the list owner.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:33 PM
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Subject: Re: CS>Recycling Urine
>>
>>This topic comes up frequently everywhere I've been in the alt-health 
>>community. I have heard about it from so many people I consider 
>>reliable that I can't dismiss it as I might have at one time.
>>
>>As bizarre or distasteful as it may sound to the uninitiated, I 
>>consider it just one of the many interesting "secrets" waiting for us 
>>"outside the box."
>>
>>Migration of the subject to the Off Topic List would probably be 
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Re: CS>just an observation...

2005-05-12 Thread Marshall Dudley
lkfields wrote:

>  I am completely floored at how effective and how QUICKLY CS works.  I
> burned my hand day before yesterday taking something out of the oven.
> I sprayed cs topically on it several times that evening.  It was a
> superficial burn but in the past would blister and then form a thin
> scab then heal.  I sprayed the cs on it periodically that night, and
> then a few times the next day.  I was stunned to find that although it
> really hurt I had No blister form and no scab.  I am looking at it now
> and it has a shiny place on the finger where I burned it but that it
> IT!Then today I noticed that I had a place on my gums that was getting
> a bit swollen around where two teeth meet.  Normally I floss, scrub
> with toothpaste and baking soda, and repeat.  The swelling usually
> subsides by the next morning.  I did my normal routine but noticed
> that the swelling was quite painful.  So I tried again.  Then I
> remembered I could use CS on it with a cotton swab.  It has been 2
> hours later and the swelling is GONE.  I am stunned.OK, so this makes
> me wonder.  see the body can and does heal itself.  Most
> infections or illnesses are cleared up within 10 day to two weeks.
> Most doctors know this and try to get their patients to wait at least
> that long before treatment.  Most people however want the pill, so a
> prescription is prescribed and the meds are taken.Is it possible, that
> the meds are really NOT working but the body's natural ability to heal
> itself is (despite having to fight the drugs)?  I ask this because I
> am floored that the CS works so quickly.  If the drugs were *really*
> doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast healing rates?
>
> Exactly what drugs are you talking about?  Very few if any drugs
> promote healing that I know of.  Antibiotics kill pathogens, but do
> not promote healing. The only things that I know of that really
> promote healing are natural herbs and miinerals, such as aloe vera and
> CS.
>
> Marshall
>
>
>
>  Lori


RE: CS>just an observation...

2005-05-12 Thread lkfields
True, drugs kill the pathogens and the body does the healing.  What I am
saying isis it really the drugs doing the killing?  For instance, with
my gums.  The swelling is the bodies reaction to the germs.  The swelling
serves to isolate the infection so it won't spread until the body can deal
with it.  Right?  So in comes the silver, kills all the germs and the
selling goes down.  Well, swishing with peroxide doesn't get those results,
applying antibiotic ointment doesn't, applying alcohol doesn't, taking a
antibiotic doesn't.  This leads me to believe these things don't really work
as well as we are led to believe.
 
Lori

  _  

From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 


  I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly.  If the
drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast
healing rates? 

Exactly what drugs are you talking about?  Very few if any drugs promote
healing that I know of.  Antibiotics kill pathogens, but do not promote
healing. The only things that I know of that really promote healing are
natural herbs and miinerals, such as aloe vera and CS. 


Marshall 
  
  




Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread kallie miller
I wonder since the kidneys are the path of elimination for heavy metals,
does the body have other ways of eliminating them.  If you are drinking your
own urine, you are just putting the heavy metals  back in your body.  The
man that invented the magnetic sleep pads I sell, is presently doing a
scientific study to prove that the magnetic pad helps the body to eliminate
mercury and lead.  They do a 24-hour urine collection and measure the for
the elimination of heavy metals and other toxins  before and after sleeping
on the magnetic pad.


Kallie Miller

www.4optimallife.com
Magnetic mattress pads, Water Ionizer/Alkalizers
Rebounders, Zappers, Mental Imagery Procedures, EFT
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Subject: Re: CS>Urine is sterile


> > If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really like to know. I
> > still think mine is going down the toilet... Marshalee
>
> Unless you have an active urinary tract infection, then, yes, it is
> sterile. I'm sure the smell comes from the many other constituents of
> the fluid.
>
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CS>

2005-05-12 Thread GoToHoll
In a message dated 5/11/2005 2:46:28 AM Central Standard Time,  
beyondvaccinat...@yahoogroups.com writes:

My  objections to CS are related to its mechanism of action - I don't see it
as  being unique in its action, nor all that "holistic," even if it works  as
it's said to. It's an anti-microbial, and while I certainly believe in  using
anti-microbials, I don't see any particular advantage to CS over a  thousand
others, including many herbal formulas I've had good results with  over the
years, such as echinacea mixtures.
Christie, one of the things I love about you is that you take the time to  do 
the research, get the facts, and give the pros and cons when sharing your  
knowledge. Along with the many others who've benefitted from your  knowledge,  
I 
think you're 'brilliant' and you have no agenda other  than the health and 
wellbeing of our animals.
 
However, I've also been a member of  _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ 
(mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com)  for years, and  have found it to also be 
populated with 
brilliant minds who willingly share  their knowledge of cs and its 
applications. 
Some are micro-biologists,  engineers, chemists, even retired pharmacists, as 
well as many alternative  health practictioners. The list has well over 1,000 
members, and some of  its contributors are what others (myself included) 
consider to be  'out there' in their philosophies and ideologies. Thankfully 
the 
moderator there  is also well-skilled in diplomacy, and maintains an off-topic 
list where non cs  discussions migrate to.
 
I too have my own generator and have found so many benefits from cs that I  
would never be without it.  And like you, I don't wish to debate  the subject. 
Anyone who's interested can go to the cs list and dive in. 
 
BUT! I've had occasion to treat parvo (as part of an animal outreach group)  
with cs and Parvaid. Truthfully, it's worked for 2 out of 3 if caught early.  
Here's the clincher, tho. the cs needs to be given  alternately orally and  
rectally every 60 to 90 minutes for approx. 24 hrs. That's practically  
impossible for  'regular' people to do at home and out of the question at  the 
vets' 
office. In our experience, we've found that when the  exhausting 60 to 90 min. 
protocol isn't followed, the pups won't make it.  And they have suffered, as 
you say.
 
I am thrilled beyond belief to know about Tamiflu!  I took the  information 
to our vet, but didn't get much response. I'll keep trying. Thank  you for 
bringing the info on Tamiflu to the list, and please keep us posted with  it.  
I'm 
a few hours from the Mexican border, probably could get it there  but don't 
know protocol/dosage for parvo.
Laura H., TX







RE: CS>just an observation...

2005-05-12 Thread David W Kenney
For your information.most antibiotics are only bacteriostatic.  In other
words they stop the growth of the bacteria on the assumption that it will
give time for an adequate immune system to catch up.  There are very few, if
any bacteriocidal antibiotics.  CS on the other hand if it can get to the
organism is bacteriocidal and so is more effective, especially for those
with compromised immune systems.   

 

 

True, drugs kill the pathogens and the body does the healing.  What I am
saying isis it really the drugs doing the killing?  For instance, with
my gums.  The swelling is the bodies reaction to the germs.  The swelling
serves to isolate the infection so it won't spread until the body can deal
with it.  Right?  So in comes the silver, kills all the germs and the
selling goes down.  Well, swishing with peroxide doesn't get those results,
applying antibiotic ointment doesn't, applying alcohol doesn't, taking a
antibiotic doesn't.  This leads me to believe these things don't really work
as well as we are led to believe.

 

Lori

 

  _  

From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 

  I ask this because I am floored that the CS works so quickly.  If the
drugs were *really* doing the job at healing..wouldn't we see such fast
healing rates? 

Exactly what drugs are you talking about?  Very few if any drugs promote
healing that I know of.  Antibiotics kill pathogens, but do not promote
healing. The only things that I know of that really promote healing are
natural herbs and miinerals, such as aloe vera and CS. 

Marshall 
  
  



RE: CS>

2005-05-12 Thread David W Kenney
 

In a message dated 5/11/2005 2:46:28 AM Central Standard Time,
beyondvaccinat...@yahoogroups.com writes:

My objections to CS are related to its mechanism of action - I don't see it
as being unique in its action, nor all that "holistic," even if it works as
it's said to. It's an anti-microbial, and while I certainly believe in using
anti-microbials, I don't see any particular advantage to CS over a thousand
others, including many herbal formulas I've had good results with over the
years, such as echinacea mixtures.

Christie, one of the things I love about you is that you take the time to do
the research, get the facts, and give the pros and cons when sharing your
knowledge. Along with the many others who've benefitted from your knowledge,
I think you're 'brilliant' and you have no agenda other than the health and
wellbeing of our animals.

 

However, I've also been a member of  silver-list@eskimo.com for years, and
have found it to also be populated with brilliant minds who willingly share
their knowledge of cs and its applications. Some are micro-biologists,
engineers, chemists, even retired pharmacists, as well as many alternative
health practictioners. The list has well over 1,000 members, and some of its
contributors are what others (myself included) consider to be 'out there' in
their philosophies and ideologies. Thankfully the moderator there is also
well-skilled in diplomacy, and maintains an off-topic list where non cs
discussions migrate to.

 

I too have my own generator and have found so many benefits from cs that I
would never be without it.  And like you, I don't wish to debate the
subject. Anyone who's interested can go to the cs list and dive in. 

 

BUT! I've had occasion to treat parvo (as part of an animal outreach group)
with cs and Parvaid. Truthfully, it's worked for 2 out of 3 if caught early.
Here's the clincher, tho. the cs needs to be given  alternately orally and
rectally every 60 to 90 minutes for approx. 24 hrs. That's practically
impossible for  'regular' people to do at home and out of the question at
the vets' office. In our experience, we've found that when the exhausting 60
to 90 min. protocol isn't followed, the pups won't make it. And they have
suffered, as you say.

 

This is simply not true.   I've worked 24/7 on entire litters of puppies
with Parvo.  The survival rate is nearly 100% if fluid therapy is the
primary modality of treatment.  It is a lot of work but very rewarding when
you see these babies turn around and begin to live..  CS would be a nice
adjunct..and may speed up recovery but is not a necessary part of the
treatment. 

Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance is the primary cause of death in these
puppies.

 

I am thrilled beyond belief to know about Tamiflu!  I took the information
to our vet, but didn't get much response. I'll keep trying. Thank you for
bringing the info on Tamiflu to the list, and please keep us posted with it.
I'm a few hours from the Mexican border, probably could get it there but
don't know protocol/dosage for parvo.

Laura H., TX


 

 



CS>RE: CS & cats

2005-05-12 Thread Heather King (LCA)
Cats are inherently picky about what they drink...my cat Boo! (black
Halloween kitty) thinks he's a dog like his border collie brothers in
all areas except drinking water. He'll sleep in the dog beds, steal the
dog kibbles from their bowls, lick their faces & ears and wander around
the property where they do, all ganged up like some weird pack...when it
comes to the drinking water, though, it's an entirely different thing.
If there's been a single lick in the bowl by the slimy dog tongue, he
won't touch it. I tried just giving him a second bowl, and it worked
(sort of) but after an abcess incident, I gave him straight CS to drink
& nothing else for 2 weeks and now he's addicted. He knows its CLEAN
water. I indulge him because we live out in farm country & who knows
what they could catch. Besides...if he ever turned blue, who'd know? :-)
He's happy & healthy & drinks only 10 ppm Silvergen CS and has done so
for over a year...

 

Heather

 



CS>RE: CS & cats

2005-05-12 Thread Heather King (LCA)
Cats are inherently picky about what they drink...my cat Boo! (black
Halloween kitty) thinks he's a dog like his border collie brothers in
all areas except drinking water. He'll sleep in the dog beds, steal the
dog kibbles from their bowls, lick their faces & ears and wander around
the property where they do, all ganged up like some weird pack...when it
comes to the drinking water, though, it's an entirely different thing.
If there's been a single lick in the bowl by the slimy dog tongue, he
won't touch it. I tried just giving him a second bowl, and it worked
(sort of) but after an abcess incident, I gave him straight CS to drink
& nothing else for 2 weeks and now he's addicted. He knows its CLEAN
water. I indulge him because we live out in farm country & who knows
what they could catch. Besides...if he ever turned blue, who'd know? :-)
He's happy & healthy & drinks only 10 ppm Silvergen CS and has done so
for over a year...

 

Heather

 



RE: CS>CS & Teeth Stains

2005-05-12 Thread Heather King (LCA)
Baking soda gets the CS brown stains off my white laminate counter top
in the kitchen too. Just pour a little dry baking soda on the stain, add
a few drops of water to make a paste, and rub gently until it
disappears. There may be lingering particles that will re-stain in a day
or 2, but if you keep after it, eventually, it disappears for good. I
think tooth enamel, being smoother & less porous than a laminate counter
top, will probably respond quite favorably.

 

Heather

 



From: S Khanna [mailto:khann...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:33 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS & Teeth Stains

 

What works for me with the staining is brushing with baking soda.  I
always use it to whiten teeth, even getting a little on a toothpick and
carefully going between the teeth.  It does a wonderful job.

 

Sally

Raine  wrote:

Hi all,

I've been swishing the CS twice daily to treat gum disease.
After a few
weeks I discovered some brown staining on my teeth! In
discussing teeth,
gums and such on another list, I found others who experienced
this as
well, and suspected the CS.

I've changed to using a CS/H202/water solution for swishing in
hopes of
eliminating the staining, but not doing damage to the enamel
from acidity.

My question; has anyone else encountered this, and if so what
did they
do to rid themselves of the staining?

Thanks,
Raine


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Re: CS>Recycling Urine

2005-05-12 Thread Marshalee

Ahh, but best of all was when my baby son got himself right in the eye!
One surprised little dude...
Hmmm, hard to believe he turns 31 on Friday and is the daddy to four 
munchkins of his own...

He told me that now he knows why I hoped he`d get a son of his own.
Revenge is mine, thus sayeth the mom... :o)
Marshalee


Not as funny as peeing in mom's face!  LOL.  My son did that until I figured
out how to change a baby boys diaper.  LOL.   


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 My very earliest memory is peeing in my ear and laughing like a madman [er
baby] at the expression on Moms face.
That was FUNNY! [And quite a good shot]

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RE: CS>Recycling Urine

2005-05-12 Thread lkfields
ROTFL!  Oh that is funny. Had a good chuckle

-Original Message-
From: Marshalee [mailto:mama...@netzero.net]
Hmmm, hard to believe he turns 31 on Friday and is the daddy to four
munchkins of his own...
He told me that now he knows why I hoped he`d get a son of his own.
Revenge is mine, thus sayeth the mom... :o) Marshalee





Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread Marshalee
Well, I guess that is so, for if I eat fish or crab, then it sure smells 
fishy!!

`Nuff on pee.
  Friday is my birthday, good enough, but it is also Friday the 13th. 
Shudder.
Normally I`m not superstitious, but every year that that happens, 
something bad also happens. Divoce, death etc. What will happen this time??
 BTW, my 3 month old Pug puppy is a firm believer in recycling her own 
poop! Wonder what benefits that has???

LOL
Marshalee



If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really like to know. I
still think mine is going down the toilet... Marshalee
   



Unless you have an active urinary tract infection, then, yes, it is 
sterile. I'm sure the smell comes from the many other constituents of 
the fluid.


Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
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CS>particle size in nebulizing, was Re: CS>CS pneumonia protocol with air brush

2005-05-12 Thread sol
I recently ran across a site on nebulizing pet rats that states you 
can't just use any old nebulizer for rats, they need a small particle 
size for nebbing to be effective. Wasn't in regard to nebbing CS, but 
regular abx nebulizer formulas.
Still, if the smallest possible particle size is desireable for 
nebulizing CS without using an airbrush one might want to consider the 
nebulizers recommended by the rat people.

http://ratguide.com/health/bacteria/mycoplasma_mycoplasmosis.php
sol

Jim Holmes wrote:


Does anyone know if that difference in particle size effects the penetration
of the sol into the alveoli? 


Later,

Jim

 

 




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Re: CS>CS & other cancer therapies

2005-05-12 Thread sol
The best way to muscle test yourself is to do it hidden to the conscious 
mind as best you can, otherwise you get the pre conceived ideas in the 
way, usually we all have a subconscious "right" answer we really want to 
get. I was taught to get around this by writing whatever is to be tested 
on pieces of paper lightly enough so the writing can't show through, and 
folding the papers up tightly. Also write some extras, to be sure there 
are enough papers to be tested that you can't tell which is 
which...then you mix them up really well, and test each one, 
separating the piles into yes and no. Don't look at any of them until 
all are tested. Don't re-test any either, even if you don't like the 
answers, LOL.

sol

grace1...@aol.com wrote:

I have a spring device I obtained from the NAET clinic where they use 
and teach self muscle testing.  I can say from personal experience 
that the device is worthless.  Also,  although I have practiced quite 
a bit for three years, using the o-ring technique, and the middle 
finger on top of the index finger techniques, I am still not able to 
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Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread sol
I don't know about that, there are diseases transmitted by urine (in 
animals at least) that do not cause urinary tract infections.

Personally, I find it impossible to believe that urine is sterile.
UT is something that I have links to info on, and have read many 
discussions of, but it is so far on the back burner for me, that it is 
practically in another galaxy far, far away.
As long as I have EIS, DMSO, and other alternatives, UT is staying in 
that other galaxy.

just call me squeamish,
but solid or liquid, excreta is excreta, and bodies get rid of excreta 
for a reason, and I personally don't want mine back.

sol

M. G. Devour wrote:


If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really like to know. I
still think mine is going down the toilet... Marshalee
   



Unless you have an active urinary tract infection, then, yes, it is 
sterile. I'm sure the smell comes from the many other constituents of 
the fluid.



 




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Re: CS>CS & Teeth Stains

2005-05-12 Thread Grace1way
I have found that xylitol toothpaste whitens teeth considerably because it 
kills the bacteria that form the plaque.

Jill


RE: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread lkfields
 I have to agree.  In an emergency situation where nothing else is
available...well ok.

Lori

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From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
but solid or liquid, excreta is excreta, and bodies get rid of excreta for a
reason, and I personally don't want mine back.
sol



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Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread William Missett
It is colored with food coloring so it will look like iodine, the former 
disinfectant of choice for the poor, who are no doubt fooled into thinking 
that Microdyn is also iodine, which it is not.


- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch


Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a colloid with a 
2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, none of 
the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or something? 
Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark in color?

sol

Stuff wrote:



More on Microdyn...

http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html

stuff




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Re: CS>CS & Teeth Stains

2005-05-12 Thread Marshall Dudley
Where do you get xylitol toothpaste?  I have been using Arm and Hammer
toothpaste, no glycerine, and it has baking soda in it.

Marshall

grace1...@aol.com wrote:

>  I have found that xylitol toothpaste whitens teeth considerably
> because it kills the bacteria that form the plaque. Jill



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Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread cking001
On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:58:10 -0600, Marshalee 
wrote:

> BTW, my 3 month old Pug puppy is a firm believer in recycling her own 
>poop! Wonder what benefits that has???
>LOL
>Marshalee

Heh,
To open another can of worms,
Aajonus Vonderplanitz is a fascinating nutritionist with much to say
on this and other odd, to the mainstream, practices.

His books are a MUST read, but kinda pricey.

Here's an interview with a somewhat overview:
http://www.drbass.com/aajonus.html
And a bit more:
http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/

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Re: CS>quite a discussion!

2005-05-12 Thread M. G. Devour
> Well, Mike,
> the Urine Therapy approach has caused quite a discussion!
> Faith

Indeed, with the usual surprising amount of support from people that 
have used it and the totally unsurprising reluctance on the part of 
those who haven't! 

Seriously, though, we need to sharply taper off the subject so that we 
get back to CS and related things and give proper consideration to all 
those who are *not* interested in this particular discussion who have 
been waiting patiently for it to end.

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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2005 #326

2005-05-12 Thread metaphor

At 08:07 AM 12/05/2005 -0700, you wrote:

silver-digest DigestVolume 2005 : Issue 326

Today's Topics:
  RE: CS>OT: Help With Cat Injury   [ "David W Kenney" 

  Re: CS>CS & Teeth Stains  [ S Khanna  ]
  RE: CS>Recycling Urine[ "lkfields" 
 ]
  Re: CS>Urine is sterile   [ "M. G. Devour" 
 ]
  RE: CS>Recycling Urine[ "lkfields" 
 ]
  RE: CS>Recycling Urine[ "M. G. Devour" 
 ]
  Re: CS>just an observation... [ Marshall Dudley 
  RE: CS>just an observation... [ "lkfields" 
 ]
  Re: CS>Urine is sterile   [ "kallie miller" 
<4optimall...@roger ]

  CS>   [ gotoh...@aol.com ]




Hello Marshalee  ,

 Re your query regarding the Sterility of Urine.  I agree with Mike . 
Unless you have an active UTI or Kidney Infection , urine should be sterile 
. However you can check  if your really concerned . By purchasing  a  Urine 
Analysis kit from a chemist .   They are a litmus type strip  that has 
several colour bands along its length .


Each colour represents  a measure in a normal range   and  the degree of 
colour change represents certain values  re the constituents of urine .
There is a KEY CHART  on each container that allows you to compare  your 
results  with those considered in the normal range  .
If you had a UTI or Kidney infection .. the results would be seen 
as  Positive  for Leukocytes and Nitrates   and often protein too as the 
leukocytes  kill off the infections cells .. this depends on the degree of 
infection .
By then of course you would  be aware  you had such an infection , you 
would feel it in no uncertain terms .
Values( stronger colour change)  above those  in the normal range ,  for 
the constituents ... found in urine . Indicate the presents of infection 
within the renal  and urinary tract itself . This includes the bladder etc 
...   So if you have any doubts  as to the health of your urine  and  its 
environment  ...  heres one way you can put your mind at rest .
The cost of these kits ( although I don't actually know re the 
USA  )  would be quite a low cost .. considering the kit carries  100 
strips . Keep you going  for quite some time ...

Regards
Margaret






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From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Urine is sterile


> > If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really like to know. I
> > still think mine is going down the toilet... Marshalee
>
> Unless you have an active urinary tract infection, then, yes, it is
> sterile. I'm sure the smell comes from the many other constituents of
> the fluid.
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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>
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Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread Stuff


I tried to find a bottle this morning but couldn't.  Will look again 
elsewhere. I'm

curious also.

If I remember right, the label says it's "milled" silver. Don't remember if 
there

are other ingredients listed or not.

It's coffee colored.

stuff

At 08:19 AM 5/11/2005, sol wrote:

Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a colloid with a 
2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, none of 
the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or something? 
Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark in color?

sol

Stuff wrote:



More on Microdyn...

http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html

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Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread CH

Sol,

Couldn't have said it better!

Thanks,

Cindy




Personally, I find it impossible to believe that urine is sterile.
UT is something that I have links to info on, and have read many 
discussions of, but it is so far on the back burner for me, that it is 
practically in another galaxy far, far away.
As long as I have EIS, DMSO, and other alternatives, UT is staying in 
that other galaxy.

just call me squeamish,
but solid or liquid, excreta is excreta, and bodies get rid of excreta 
for a reason, and I personally don't want mine back.

sol




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RE: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Holmes
We were supposed to have moved this thread to the OT list several days ago.
I am responding to this post there.  

So there.  

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:29 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Urine is sterile

I don't know about that, there are diseases transmitted by urine (in 
animals at least) that do not cause urinary tract infections.
Personally, I find it impossible to believe that urine is sterile.
UT is something that I have links to info on, and have read many 
discussions of, but it is so far on the back burner for me, that it is 
practically in another galaxy far, far away.
As long as I have EIS, DMSO, and other alternatives, UT is staying in 
that other galaxy.
just call me squeamish,
but solid or liquid, excreta is excreta, and bodies get rid of excreta 
for a reason, and I personally don't want mine back.
sol

M. G. Devour wrote:

>>If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really like to know. I
>>still think mine is going down the toilet... Marshalee
>>
>>
>
>Unless you have an active urinary tract infection, then, yes, it is 
>sterile. I'm sure the smell comes from the many other constituents of 
>the fluid.
>
>
>  
>


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RE: CS>particle size in nebulizing, was Re: CS>CS pneumonia protocol with air brush

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Holmes
Sol et al,

That nebulizer is a standard hospital nebulizer minus the mouthpiece and
the corrugated plastic hose to mix the aerosol with ambient air.  The hose ,
about 6 inches long, goes where the nebulizer is fixed to the treatment box.
The mouthpiece goes where the red plug has been place. 

They sell for a little less than $4 at standard people's medical supplies.
I cannot recall the manufacturer but it is distributed by Medline. If the
rat people are buying them wholesale, then they are applying a greater than
400% markup. What a ripoff.  People must really love their rats. I think
they are an alien biowarfare agent, and in spite of my Buddhist training,
kill them whenever they infringe on my space.  Vicious destructive little
F***ers they are.  They use their urine (oops) and feces as a potent
allergen to drive larger animals out of desirable habitat.  They tried that
on me, and I am now engaged in an all-out war of extinction.  But I digress.


That is the type of nebulizer I have been using instead of the airbrush.
Your info confirms that the particle size is adequately small. 

Does "luminal surface" mean "the inside of the tube"/

Jim

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From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>particle size in nebulizing, was Re: CS>CS pneumonia protocol
with air brush

I recently ran across a site on nebulizing pet rats that states you 
can't just use any old nebulizer for rats, they need a small particle 
size for nebbing to be effective. Wasn't in regard to nebbing CS, but 
regular abx nebulizer formulas.
Still, if the smallest possible particle size is desireable for 
nebulizing CS without using an airbrush one might want to consider the 
nebulizers recommended by the rat people.
http://ratguide.com/health/bacteria/mycoplasma_mycoplasmosis.php
sol

Jim Holmes wrote:

>Does anyone know if that difference in particle size effects the
penetration
>of the sol into the alveoli? 
>
>Later,
>
>Jim
>
>  
>
>  
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RE: CS>particle size in nebulizing, was Re: CS>CS pneumonia protocol with air brush

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Holmes
Hi Sol,

Thank you.  I will visit the rat people site.

Jim



-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>particle size in nebulizing, was Re: CS>CS pneumonia protocol
with air brush

I recently ran across a site on nebulizing pet rats that states you 
can't just use any old nebulizer for rats, they need a small particle 
size for nebbing to be effective. Wasn't in regard to nebbing CS, but 
regular abx nebulizer formulas.
Still, if the smallest possible particle size is desireable for 
nebulizing CS without using an airbrush one might want to consider the 
nebulizers recommended by the rat people.
http://ratguide.com/health/bacteria/mycoplasma_mycoplasmosis.php
sol

Jim Holmes wrote:

>Does anyone know if that difference in particle size effects the
penetration
>of the sol into the alveoli? 
>
>Later,
>
>Jim
>
>  
>
>  
>


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RE: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Holmes
The Navajo word for dog, Shunka, literally translates as "Feces Eater", only
in the vernacular.  I learned this after my daughter named her dog Shunka. 

-Original Message-
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:21 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Urine is sterile

On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:58:10 -0600, Marshalee 
wrote:

> BTW, my 3 month old Pug puppy is a firm believer in recycling her own 
>poop! Wonder what benefits that has???
>LOL
>Marshalee

Heh,
To open another can of worms,
Aajonus Vonderplanitz is a fascinating nutritionist with much to say
on this and other odd, to the mainstream, practices.

His books are a MUST read, but kinda pricey.

Here's an interview with a somewhat overview:
http://www.drbass.com/aajonus.html
And a bit more:
http://www.karlloren.com/aajonus/

Chuck
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RE: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Holmes
It is made mechanically.  There must be a patent somewhere...? 

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From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch


I tried to find a bottle this morning but couldn't.  Will look again 
elsewhere. I'm
curious also.

If I remember right, the label says it's "milled" silver. Don't remember if 
there
are other ingredients listed or not.

It's coffee colored.

stuff

At 08:19 AM 5/11/2005, sol wrote:

>Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a colloid with a 
>2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, none of 
>the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or something? 
>Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark in color?
>sol
>
>Stuff wrote:
>
>>
>>More on Microdyn...
>>
>>http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html
>>
>>stuff
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Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread William Missett

I've heard the Mexican government holds the patent.


- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Holmes" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch



It is made mechanically.  There must be a patent somewhere...?

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Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch


I tried to find a bottle this morning but couldn't.  Will look again
elsewhere. I'm
curious also.

If I remember right, the label says it's "milled" silver. Don't remember 
if

there
are other ingredients listed or not.

It's coffee colored.

stuff

At 08:19 AM 5/11/2005, sol wrote:


Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a colloid with a
2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, none of
the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or something?
Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark in color?
sol

Stuff wrote:



More on Microdyn...

http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html

stuff



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Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread Faith Saint Francis

Right O.
But then again, after a few days' intake of your own water, the body gets 
itself to a balanced state, and the urine does not smell/look that bad 
anymore.

FSF


From: "M. G. Devour" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Urine is sterile
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:36:43 -5

> If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really like to know. I
> still think mine is going down the toilet... Marshalee

Unless you have an active urinary tract infection, then, yes, it is
sterile. I'm sure the smell comes from the many other constituents of
the fluid.

Be well,

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Re: CS>Recycling Urine

2005-05-12 Thread Faith Saint Francis

AHA!FSF


From: "Albert Peirce" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Recycling Urine
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 07:34:45 -0400

If I were making an educated guess, UO, since we have been on the topic of 
Urine Therapy for weeks now, probably is an acronym for "Urinate Off", i. 
e. Piss Off, for those of you of less delicate sensibilities. Regards, 
Al
- Original Message - From: "Faith Saint Francis" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:01 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Recycling Urine



UO = please? You Owe mebbe?
(Dutch born boy)
Faith


From: "Jim Holmes" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: RE: CS>Recycling Urine
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:23:53 -0600

Move it, lest we UO the list owner.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Recycling Urine

This topic comes up frequently everywhere I've been in the alt-health
community. I have heard about it from so many people I consider
reliable that I can't dismiss it as I might have at one time.

As bizarre or distasteful as it may sound to the uninitiated, I
consider it just one of the many interesting "secrets" waiting for us
"outside the box."

Migration of the subject to the Off Topic List would probably be
wise... soon.

Thank you folks,

Mike D.
list owner dude

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Re: CS>Urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread Faith Saint Francis

Marshalee,
see introduction, as shown yesterday on the "Off Topic" list
FSF


From: Marshalee 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Urine is sterile
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:47:07 -0600

If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really like to know.
I still think mine is going down the toilet...
Marshalee

Margaret wrote: >>A babies urine is sterile and extremely good for the 
complexion<<


I forgot to add that your own fresh urine is sterile as well, so it is 
your own best medicine for any wound.

FSF




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CS>sterile urine

2005-05-12 Thread Faith Saint Francis
Marshalee wrote: >>If urine is sterile, why does it smell bad?? I`d really 
like to

know.<<


Well, A good guess may be that "sterile" = without germs, and =not without 
"waste products", which are really WASTE if we do not wanna better our 
eating habits.

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CS>stains no more on teeth

2005-05-12 Thread Faith Saint Francis
Marshall Dudley wrote: >>Where do you get xylitol toothpaste?  I have been 
using Arm and Hammer

toothpaste, no glycerine, and it has baking soda in it.<<


Aw .. I don't wanna be a brag .. but the Arabs have rinsed their mouths with 
urine against stains and caries for hundreds of years .. and I (no Arab, 
although it doesn't really matter) have, and (with poor, weak teeth)  stains 
were gone.

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CS>urine is sterile

2005-05-12 Thread Faith Saint Francis

Sol wrote:

Personally, I find it impossible to believe that urine is sterile.<<


There are more than enough University studies, even in America, as wel as in 
Colombia, affirming that urine, when fresh, is sterile.

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CS>quite a discussion!

2005-05-12 Thread Faith Saint Francis

Well, Mike,
the Urine Therapy approach has caused quite a discussion!
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RE: CS>quite a discussion!

2005-05-12 Thread Ernie Patai
I think the horse has been dead for a while people..lol

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>quite a discussion!

> Well, Mike,
> the Urine Therapy approach has caused quite a discussion!
> Faith

Indeed, with the usual surprising amount of support from people that 
have used it and the totally unsurprising reluctance on the part of 
those who haven't! 

Seriously, though, we need to sharply taper off the subject so that we 
get back to CS and related things and give proper consideration to all 
those who are *not* interested in this particular discussion who have 
been waiting patiently for it to end.




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CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread Matthew McCann
The colloid mill was invented by Veimarn in 1906, though
many improvements have been made since then.
Mexico may have expropriated exclusive rights to itself
to mill CS, without fussing with issues of who invented
what. Kind of like minting coinage.

Matthew

Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread David S Osborne
A, yes Bill   I do believe you can tell us more.
Is it with 3-9's before being colored??
:-)  davido


On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:12:33 -0500 William Missett
 writes:
> It is colored with food coloring so it will look like iodine, the 
> former 
> disinfectant of choice for the poor, who are no doubt fooled into 
> thinking 
> that Microdyn is also iodine, which it is not.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "sol" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a 
> bunch
> 
> 
> > Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a 
> colloid with a 
> > 2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, 
> none of 
> > the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or 
> something? 
> > Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark in 
> color?
> > sol
> >
> > Stuff wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> More on Microdyn...
> >>
> >> http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html
> >>
> >> stuff
> >>
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CS>rat people's website

2005-05-12 Thread Matthew McCann




http://www.ratlovers.org


 


Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread William Missett
I have no knowledge of exactly how it is made, except that Dr. Alex Torres 
provided information some time back that it was produced in some advanced form 
of milling process, perhaps that which Matthew just referred to in his post.  I 
don't know the purity of the silver used either. 

The smaller bottles (15 ml) indicate that what is made from twice-distilled 
water, food coloring from animal source (probably cow liver) so it will look 
like iodine, and either 0.3200 or 0.3600 percent colloidal silver. The 1-liter 
size of Microdyn indicates it is made of 0.048 percent colloidal silver.  Those 
figures have been extrapolated to 3200ppm, 3600ppm, and now, apparently, 
480ppm.  But according to senior list members here, Microdyn has never been 
tested for its true ppm, or its actual composition, ionic or otherwise.

What I do know is that I've been consuming it for eight years, and the stuff 
works like magic.



 
- Original Message - 
From: "David S Osborne" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch


> A, yes Bill   I do believe you can tell us more.
> Is it with 3-9's before being colored??
> :-)  davido
> 
> 
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:12:33 -0500 William Missett
>  writes:
>> It is colored with food coloring so it will look like iodine, the 
>> former 
>> disinfectant of choice for the poor, who are no doubt fooled into 
>> thinking 
>> that Microdyn is also iodine, which it is not.
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "sol" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a 
>> bunch
>> 
>> 
>> > Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a 
>> colloid with a 
>> > 2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, 
>> none of 
>> > the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or 
>> something? 
>> > Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark in 
>> color?
>> > sol
>> >
>> > Stuff wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> More on Microdyn...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html
>> >>
>> >> stuff
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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RE: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread Jim Holmes
How about one of you folks who has some Microdyn sending Frank Key, et al, a
sample?

 

-Original Message-
From: William Missett [mailto:miss...@prodigy.net.mx] 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:54 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

 

I have no knowledge of exactly how it is made, except that Dr. Alex Torres
provided information some time back that it was produced in some advanced
form of milling process, perhaps that which Matthew just referred to in his
post.  I don't know the purity of the silver used either. 

 

The smaller bottles (15 ml) indicate that what is made from twice-distilled
water, food coloring from animal source (probably cow liver) so it will look
like iodine, and either 0.3200 or 0.3600 percent colloidal silver. The
1-liter size of Microdyn indicates it is made of 0.048 percent colloidal
silver.  Those figures have been extrapolated to 3200ppm, 3600ppm, and now,
apparently, 480ppm.  But according to senior list members here, Microdyn has
never been tested for its true ppm, or its actual composition, ionic or
otherwise.

 

What I do know is that I've been consuming it for eight years, and the stuff
works like magic.

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: "David S Osborne" 

To: 

Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:19 PM

Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

 

> A, yes Bill   I do believe you can tell us more.
> Is it with 3-9's before being colored??
> :-)  davido
> 
> 
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:12:33 -0500 William Missett
>  writes:
>> It is colored with food coloring so it will look like iodine, the 
>> former 
>> disinfectant of choice for the poor, who are no doubt fooled into 
>> thinking 
>> that Microdyn is also iodine, which it is not.
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "sol" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a 
>> bunch
>> 
>> 
>> > Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a 
>> colloid with a 
>> > 2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, 
>> none of 
>> > the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or 
>> something? 
>> > Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark in 
>> color?
>> > sol
>> >
>> > Stuff wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> More on Microdyn...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html
>> >>
>> >> stuff
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch

2005-05-12 Thread William Missett
I would be happy to provide Frank with samples of Microdyn (and other CS 
products in Mexico) for testing.  I made this offer several years ago, and 
whoever responded (I can't recall who it was) offered to do the testing for $35 
a pop.  If Frank or someone else wants some Microdyn for testing to determine 
just what ppm it is and whether it's ionic or supersonic, to settle this 
burning debate,  I'll be happy to ship him a 15ml bottle to him.  This is not 
an open offer to the list, just those with quality testing equipment.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:31 PM
  Subject: RE: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch


  How about one of you folks who has some Microdyn sending Frank Key, et al, a 
sample?



  -Original Message-
  From: William Missett [mailto:miss...@prodigy.net.mx] 
  Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:54 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch



  I have no knowledge of exactly how it is made, except that Dr. Alex Torres 
provided information some time back that it was produced in some advanced form 
of milling process, perhaps that which Matthew just referred to in his post.  I 
don't know the purity of the silver used either. 



  The smaller bottles (15 ml) indicate that what is made from twice-distilled 
water, food coloring from animal source (probably cow liver) so it will look 
like iodine, and either 0.3200 or 0.3600 percent colloidal silver. The 1-liter 
size of Microdyn indicates it is made of 0.048 percent colloidal silver.  Those 
figures have been extrapolated to 3200ppm, 3600ppm, and now, apparently, 
480ppm.  But according to senior list members here, Microdyn has never been 
tested for its true ppm, or its actual composition, ionic or otherwise.



  What I do know is that I've been consuming it for eight years, and the stuff 
works like magic.









  - Original Message - 

  From: "David S Osborne" 

  To: 

  Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 5:19 PM

  Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a bunch



  > A, yes Bill   I do believe you can tell us more.
  > Is it with 3-9's before being colored??
  > :-)  davido
  > 
  > 
  > On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:12:33 -0500 William Missett
  >  writes:
  >> It is colored with food coloring so it will look like iodine, the 
  >> former 
  >> disinfectant of choice for the poor, who are no doubt fooled into 
  >> thinking 
  >> that Microdyn is also iodine, which it is not.
  >> 
  >> - Original Message - 
  >> From: "sol" 
  >> To: 
  >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:19 AM
  >> Subject: Re: CS>microdyn mexico search on dogpile does yeild a 
  >> bunch
  >> 
  >> 
  >> > Other than the statement in that article that microdyn is a 
  >> colloid with a 
  >> > 2 nm particle size, I still can't find out what it is/how made, 
  >> none of 
  >> > the other links posted said anything.  Is it a trade secret or 
  >> something? 
  >> > Just curious to know if it is MSP or what. Isn't it very dark in 
  >> color?
  >> > sol
  >> >
  >> > Stuff wrote:
  >> >
  >> >>
  >> >> More on Microdyn...
  >> >>
  >> >> http://www.silverinstitute.org/news/5b01.html
  >> >>
  >> >> stuff
  >> >>
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CS>My own made home-made CS

2005-05-12 Thread Faith Saint Francis

I have a question here:
I have made my own CS for quite a few months now.
I prefer to do with Spa Reine Mineral Water (from Spa, Belgium, I think), 
and it comes out fine.
Last bottle I bought was a try-out with Fontecelta Agua Mineral Natural, and 
it came out greyish, and with hardly any taste.

What could the matter be?
I'll turn back to Spa anyways, for I feel that is the brand to work with.
Any advices, kindly received.
Faith

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Re: CS>

2005-05-12 Thread GoToHoll
 
In a message dated 5/12/2005 10:03:41 AM Central Standard Time,  
gotoh...@aol.com writes:

Christie, one of the things I love about you is that you take the time to  do 
the research, get the facts, and give the pros and cons when sharing your  
knowledge. Along with the many others who've benefitted from your  knowledge,  
I 
think you're 'brilliant' and you have no agenda other  than the health and 
wellbeing of our animals.



Ooops! My apologies to the cs list; this post was intended for someone on  
another list and sent here by mistake.
Laura H., TX


CS>Colds>SInus infection and CS Testimony

2005-05-12 Thread Andy Gill
I just wanted to give a little testimony on my use of CS.  I read the following 
excerpt below in an article on mercola.com.  Having allergies and colds my 
experience exactly mirrored what the Dr. said.  Most times my 1st symptom of a 
cold coming on was that my nose beagn to pour mucous.  Assuming this was "bad" 
I began to take decongestants which stopped the "pouring" of the mucous but 
more times than not turned into a sinus infection.antibiotics.  You know 
the drill.  This last go around about 2 months ago got me researching CS and if 
it could work on my sinus infections.  Well about 2 weeks ago I woke up at 4 AM 
with my nose pouring mucous.  This time (armed with my knowledge from the 
article and my CS) I decided to change my strategy. Instead of the 
decongestants I sprayed several shots of CS up my nose and drank about an oz 
holding it under my tongue for several minutes.  I went back to bed and woke up 
the next morning with no runny nose and best of all no eventual sinus
 infection.  So I guess it does work on sinus infections even better by 
preventing them? Praise the Lord!
 
AG
 
Excerpt from Insulin and Its Metabolic Effects by Ron Rosedale, MD
"If you have a cold and you go to the doctor, you have a runny nose. I did Ear, 
Nose and Throat (ENT) for 10 years so I know what the common treatment for that 
is, a decongestant. I can't tell you how many patients I saw who had been given 
Sudafed by their family doctors for a cold who then came to see me afterward 
because of a really bad sinus infection. 

What happens when you treat the symptom of a runny nose from a cold and you 
take a decongestant? Well, it certainly decongests you by shutting off the 
mucus, but why do you have the mucus? It’s because your body is trying to clean 
and wash out the membranes. What else is in mucus? Secretory IgA, a very strong 
antibody to kill the virus. If there is no mucus, there is no secretory IgA. 

Decongestants also constrict blood vessels, the little capillaries, or 
arterioles, that go to those capillaries, and the cilia, the little hair-like 
projections that beat to push mucus along to create a stream. They get 
paralyzed because they don't have blood flow, so there is no more ciliary 
movement. 

What happens if you dam a stream and create a pond? 

In days you've got larvae growing, but if the stream is moving, you are fine. 
You need a constant stream of mucus to get rid of and prevent an infection. I 
am going into this in some detail because in almost all cases, if you treat a 
symptom you are going to make the disease worse. The symptom is there as your 
body's attempt to heal itself."


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CS>Fw: Cryptostrongylus pulmoni and Chronic Fatigue CFS

2005-05-12 Thread Rowena


http://www.immunesupport.com/library/showarticle.cfm/ID/1215/ speaks of a 
parasite which migrates from the gut to the lungs and may be responsible for 
some cases of CFS.  From the year 2000.


It occurs to me that what silver users are doing with CS/DMSO/etc nebulizing 
could do a lot of good in treating this.  It is very hard to find them in 
sputum, and a routine treatment could treat them without anyone ever 
necessarily knowing they were there.
There are probably herbal products that could be added to the mix 
specifically to target any such beasties. (wormwood occasionally?)

Similarly orally, plus coconut oil for the parasites.


Dr. Klapow Well, Roger, they have some specialized anatomical structures 
that suggest that they're related to parasites of animals that live in the 
jungles of Southeast Asia. In fact, there's been somewhat of a history of 
hard to diagnose parasites coming out of that area and being brought back to 
"Western" countries after periods of warfare. It happened in the Victorian 
era when French soldiers were returning from this area and brought back the 
chronic parasite Strongyloides stercoralis to Europe where it was first 
diagnosed in 1894. It also happened again in World War II. This time British 
soldiers became infected while they were imprisoned in Burma returned to 
England and 30 years later, in 1974 they were diagnosed with chronic 
parasites they had gotten while they were in prison. It's kind of a 
testament to how difficult some of these parasites are to find and treat. I 
would like to look at people who've been to Southeast Asia and I think I 
plan to do that as soon as I finish with the large trial I'm doing on CFS 
patients now.

...   ...   ...
Dr. Klapow I'm really not sure. What I can tell you is this. I've never seen 
a fresh transmissible stage of the parasite in any sputum sample I've seen 
so far. I've done a couple of hundred samples at this point. So I don't 
think there's any evidence right now of casual transmission. But roundworm 
parasites are typically acquired by eating contaminated food, but an 
outbreak of Cryptostrongylus infection, if it were transmitted in this way, 
would look very different then a typical food poisoning incident where 
people get sick within a couple of hours after eating.

Dr. Mazlen That's due to the long latency that you mentioned.
Dr. Klapow Cryptostrongylus is very small but it produces a larva which is 
very large so there's an implication here that it must be reproducing very 
slowly and possibly has a very long latency time. Of course, we know that 
the outbreak of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome usually take place over several 
months and in some cases a couple of years and that I think would be 
consistent with the possibility of a food borne infection with a very long 
latency period.
Dr. Mazlen Well, now we're going to turn to the clinical side. Most of the 
time that doctors are looking for parasitosis, they look to see elevated 
eosinophil and serum IgE, or immunoglobulin E, levels in patients. Isn't 
this usually the case?
Dr. Klapow Yes, but that's the first question that I get from doctors when I 
tell them that I found what I think is a new species of roundworm parasite. 
Where's the elevated IgE? And the answer is elevated IgE is mainly apparent 
in acute roundworm infections. With time, the chronic parasites are able to 
suppress the IgE response and many of them produce a clinical picture where 
the patients either have normal or lower than the normal average level of 
IgE and, in fact, that's the picture you see in CFS and in all the studies 
I've reviewed, IgE is lower in CFS patients than in healthy control 
populations.

etc
Intersting also on the subject: 
http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/condition.php?condition=CFS/FMS
Rowena 



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Re: CS>CS & Teeth Stains

2005-05-12 Thread Raine

Hi Jill,

Wouldn't the CS also kill the bacteria?

-Raine

grace1...@aol.com wrote:

I have found that xylitol toothpaste whitens teeth considerably 
because it kills the bacteria that form the plaque.
 
Jill




Re: CS>CS & Teeth Stains

2005-05-12 Thread Raine
Wow, I didn't know Arm & Hammer was glycerine-free! Does it contain 
fluoride?


-Raine

Marshall Dudley wrote:


Where do you get xylitol toothpaste?  I have been using Arm and Hammer
toothpaste, no glycerine, and it has baking soda in it.

Marshall
 

 




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