date:20050707

In a message dated 07/07/2005 15:46:10 GMT Daylight Time, 
odecoy...@alltel.net writes:

sorry but Brents  is NOT  an ultrasonic cs maker at all.

if u read the site carefully.

the ultrasonic pulses are used to improve mixing and lower surface tension of 
the water.

i.e its not ultrasonic caviation at all


<< Subj: Re: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---
 Date:  07/07/2005 15:46:10 GMT Daylight Time
 From:  odecoy...@alltel.net (Ode Coyote)
 Reply-to:  mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 
 http://www.colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm
 
 'Brents' ultrasonic CS generator...previous pic showed deep yellow CS and
 was changed sometime last year.
  I think he added an air bubbler as well. [maybe that's why?]
 
 Ode
 
 
 At 04:02 AM 7/7/2005 EDT, you wrote:
 >
 >This is my idea entirely.
 >
 >use ultrasonic cavitation to make colloidal silver which is made of silver 
 >particles instead of ionic colloidal silver using electric current.
 >
 >an ultrasonic jewellery cleaning device can be used and costs about $100.
 >a silver sheet or wire would be immersed in water and the device switched 
on.
 >
 >ultrasonic cleaning is well researched.
 >look in google.
 >
 >the frequency can be adjuted to control the size of silver paticles.or 
 >the power level.
 >
 >the tank or container can be made of an inert plastic.
 >
 >remember maximum cavitation will occur near the ultrasonic transducer and 
so 
 >the silver wire/silver plate can be put next to the transducer immersed in 
 >water.
 >
 >the walls of the container will be much further away and as the power falls 
 >off very rapidly with distance from the ultrasonic transducer therefore
 minimal 
 >erosion of the container will occur.
 >
 >Also in a brilliant innovative twist the container can be made of pure
 silver 
 >or coated with pure silver.
 >
 >the fineness of silver particles depends on the power level of the
 transducer 
 >and the distance from the ultrasonic transducer.
 >further the ultrasonic from 15 khz to 70 khz fequency will also have an 
 >effect. generally higher frequencies and lower powers will produce finer 
and 
 >smaller particles due to cavitation/abrasion by the liquid into which the
 metal is 
 >immersed.(water)
 >
 >i should point out no one has as far my research can tell in google has 
ever 
 >attempted to make non-ionic colloidal silver by this method.
 >
 >I understand meso silver is made by vacuum evaporation and deposition and 
is 
 >complex and expensive although particle size is very small.
 >
 >I urge you and others to experiment using ultrasonic methods.An ultrasonic 
 >jewellery cleaner can be purchased for about $100.
 >a second hand one for even less and will last a long time.
 >
 >no doubt you could even patent the process and become rich and throw a few 
 >breadcrumbs this way too.
 > >>


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Re: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---reply 2

In a message dated 07/07/2005 18:32:20 GMT Daylight Time, 
mdud...@king-cart.com writes:

You are correct in every way.
i am asking you and others to experiment and innovate.
recent research including trials done by American Biotic Labs.
INDICATE THAT SMALL PARTICLE SIZE METALLIC CS IS VERY EFFECTIVE.

www.silver-colloids.com also has vast amounts of cs info based on research.
a dr gibbs has a free pdf booklet you can d/l based on experimental research.

<< Subj: Re: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---
 Date:  07/07/2005 18:32:20 GMT Daylight Time
 From:  mdud...@king-cart.com (Marshall Dudley)
 Reply-to:  mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 Have you tried this, or is it just an idea?  Since you have gone public with 
it, no
 one can patent it unless they can show they invented it before the date of 
this
 message. Brents design is only using sonic or ultrasonic for reducing the 
surface
 tension of a concentional electrostatic cell.
 
 Marshall
 
 veganexus...@aol.com wrote:
 
 > This is my idea entirely.
 >
 > use ultrasonic cavitation to make colloidal silver which is made of silver
 > particles instead of ionic colloidal silver using electric current.
 >
 > an ultrasonic jewellery cleaning device can be used and costs about $100.
 > a silver sheet or wire would be immersed in water and the device switched 
on.
 >
 > ultrasonic cleaning is well researched.
 > look in google.
 >
 > the frequency can be adjuted to control the size of silver paticles.or
 > the power level.
 >
 > the tank or container can be made of an inert plastic.
 >
 > remember maximum cavitation will occur near the ultrasonic transducer and 
so
 > the silver wire/silver plate can be put next to the transducer immersed in
 > water.
 >
 > the walls of the container will be much further away and as the power falls
 > off very rapidly with distance from the ultrasonic transducer therefore 
minimal
 > erosion of the container will occur.
 >
 > Also in a brilliant innovative twist the container can be made of pure 
silver
 > or coated with pure silver.
 >
 > the fineness of silver particles depends on the power level of the 
transducer
 > and the distance from the ultrasonic transducer.
 > further the ultrasonic from 15 khz to 70 khz fequency will also have an
 > effect. generally higher frequencies and lower powers will produce finer 
and
 > smaller particles due to cavitation/abrasion by the liquid into which the 
metal is
 > immersed.(water)
 >
 > i should point out no one has as far my research can tell in google has 
ever
 > attempted to make non-ionic colloidal silver by this method.
 >
 > I understand meso silver is made by vacuum evaporation and deposition and 
is
 > complex and expensive although particle size is very small.
 >
 > I urge you and others to experiment using ultrasonic methods.An ultrasonic
 > jewellery cleaner can be purchased for about $100.
 > a second hand one for even less and will last a long time.
 >
 > no doubt you could even patent the process and become rich and throw a few
 > breadcrumbs this way too.
 >
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Re: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---reply3

In a message dated 07/07/2005 20:35:45 GMT Daylight Time, ami...@starband.net 
writes:

an ultrasonic jewellery cleaner..can be used to experiment..
<< Subj: RE: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---
 Date:  07/07/2005 20:35:45 GMT Daylight Time
 From:  ami...@starband.net (Jim Holmes)
 Reply-to:  mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
 To:silver-list@eskimo.com

 Great Idea.  Does anyone have a device? 

 -Original Message-
 From: veganexus...@aol.com [mailto:veganexus...@aol.com] 
 Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:03 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---

 This is my idea entirely.

 use ultrasonic cavitation to make colloidal silver which is made of silver 
 particles instead of ionic colloidal silver using electric current.

 an ultrasonic jewellery cleaning device can be used and costs about $100.
 a silver sheet or wire would be immersed in water and the device switched
 on.

 ultrasonic cleaning is well researched.
 look in google.

 the frequency can be adjuted to control the size of silver paticles.or 
 the power level.

 the tank or container can be made of an inert plastic.

 remember maximum cavitation will occur near the ultrasonic transducer and so

 the silver wire/silver plate can be put next to the transducer immersed in 
 water.

 the walls of the container will be much further away and as the power falls 
 off very rapidly with distance from the ultrasonic transducer therefore
 minimal 
 erosion of the container will occur.

 Also in a brilliant innovative twist the container can be made of pure
 silver 
 or coated with pure silver.

 the fineness of silver particles depends on the power level of the
 transducer 
 and the distance from the ultrasonic transducer.
 further the ultrasonic from 15 khz to 70 khz fequency will also have an 
 effect. generally higher frequencies and lower powers will produce finer and

 smaller particles due to cavitation/abrasion by the liquid into which the
 metal is 
 immersed.(water)

 i should point out no one has as far my research can tell in google has ever

 attempted to make non-ionic colloidal silver by this method.

 I understand meso silver is made by vacuum evaporation and deposition and is

 complex and expensive although particle size is very small.

 I urge you and others to experiment using ultrasonic methods.An ultrasonic 
 jewellery cleaner can be purchased for about $100.
 a second hand one for even less and will last a long time.

 no doubt you could even patent the process and become rich and throw a few 
 breadcrumbs this way too.

  >>

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RE: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---

2005-07-07 Thread Jim Holmes

Great Idea.  Does anyone have a device? 

-Original Message-
From: veganexus...@aol.com [mailto:veganexus...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:03 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---

This is my idea entirely.

use ultrasonic cavitation to make colloidal silver which is made of silver 
particles instead of ionic colloidal silver using electric current.

an ultrasonic jewellery cleaning device can be used and costs about $100.
a silver sheet or wire would be immersed in water and the device switched
on.

ultrasonic cleaning is well researched.
look in google.

the frequency can be adjuted to control the size of silver paticles.or 
the power level.

the tank or container can be made of an inert plastic.

remember maximum cavitation will occur near the ultrasonic transducer and so

the silver wire/silver plate can be put next to the transducer immersed in 
water.

the walls of the container will be much further away and as the power falls 
off very rapidly with distance from the ultrasonic transducer therefore
minimal 
erosion of the container will occur.

Also in a brilliant innovative twist the container can be made of pure
silver 
or coated with pure silver.

the fineness of silver particles depends on the power level of the
transducer 
and the distance from the ultrasonic transducer.
further the ultrasonic from 15 khz to 70 khz fequency will also have an 
effect. generally higher frequencies and lower powers will produce finer and

smaller particles due to cavitation/abrasion by the liquid into which the
metal is 
immersed.(water)

i should point out no one has as far my research can tell in google has ever

attempted to make non-ionic colloidal silver by this method.

I understand meso silver is made by vacuum evaporation and deposition and is

complex and expensive although particle size is very small.

I urge you and others to experiment using ultrasonic methods.An ultrasonic 
jewellery cleaner can be purchased for about $100.
a second hand one for even less and will last a long time.

no doubt you could even patent the process and become rich and throw a few 
breadcrumbs this way too.

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Re: CS>CODEX in Rome

2005-07-07 Thread Nenah Sylver

- Original Message - 
From: "FRANK CUNS-RIAL" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CODEX in Rome

Nenah,
Nothing further from my mind that argue a pointless issue but I need to 
remind you that the same type of sentiment was running when we signed into 
WTO.

I remember " the chinese are going to tell us what to do.." and so on.
Nenah, I have been in the supplelement business for ten years (ex-chemist 
in my previous corporate career), I belong to their associations, know 
most of the principals, meet with them at seminars, conferences, etc, 
consult for some and nobody is attaching any significance to the Codex or 
Cafta as a threat to our domestic liberties.
I did call Mel Martinez's office (senator) and asked once again what would 
the effect be and the legal advisor expressed a similar view. These 
treaties are to regulate our traffic to them not to control our internal 
affairs. Only Congress can act to rescind or modify DSHEA.
I make my living formulating, consulting and selling supplements and I am 
not concerned by Codex. Europeans are under the authority of  Codex and 
they deserve it because for many years they have been scolding us for our 
liberal approach to supplements and giving us the same falacious argument 
as the dieticians in this country use, namely that  " a balanced diet 
supplies the necessary nutrients,,,"
Keep also in mind that in Germany, England and France the Homeopathic 
medicine is going to boom.
Rath thought to gain reverse momentum to affect Rome's meeting by 
capitalizing on our freedoms. Unfortunatelly it did not work.
I must say that some countries such as Indonesia, Philipines, etc are 
presently using much tighter rules than Codex and thus they represent an 
opportunity for more imports from US.
What will do our industry in,  is the "enemy within" Many schools of 
Naturpopathy are no more than alopathics using natural remedies. They 
believe in remedying, rather than curing. They use herbals not to cure but 
to "manage" disease. Is a trade off of synthetics for natural compounds 
but the underlying healing philosophy is much different from that of the 
tradicional naturistic physicians.
Be aware of schools emerging all over offering two years of weekend 
training for MD allopaths to get a degree in naturopathy.
The NIH has a definite agenda to destroy us by accepting to run studies 
(double-blinds, placebo controlled, multicenter, etc.) on specific 
supplements against specific diseases. Those who submit to that approach 
are totally unaware of biochemical individuality and pretend to gain the 
seal of approval of the NHI for commercial purposes. Many fail and they 
blame the establishment. Fools. They are the ones who make money peddling 
compounds but they have no idea about their physiological dynamics.
These are the folks that are doing us in together with the  the 
FDA-AMA-FTC cartel and our fury and discust should be primarily directed 
against them.

But then, that is just my opinion
PS I'll never feel "shouted" at by you.
Friendly

Frank Cuns-Rial..

Hi Frank.

Thanks for telling us that bit of info about you. I find it fascinating. I 
also agree that an allopathic approach to herbs never works, and that the 
NIH approach to supplements is indeed idiotic.

I sincerely hope you're right about CAFTA not superseding the DSHEA. I 
really do. But, just in case...CAFTA isn't a good "treaty" anyway so I do 
hope you and others notify your congressmembers to NOT vote for CAFTA.

My best to you,
Nenah

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Re: CS>silver protein and clustered water

2005-07-07 Thread Nenah Sylver

- Original Message - 
From: "Betsy Coffey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: CS>silver protein and clustered water

I posted someting a while ago about silver protein. IF
anyone knows the answer to my question please reply. I
am concerned about it. Also, would Willards Water be
considered clustered water?

Betsy,
I define "clustered" water as water whose molecular angles have been changed 
(even slightly) so that the water has different properties--i.e., it is 
"wetter." When water is "wetter," it enters the cell more easily, bringing 
in more nutrients and allowing more wastes to leave.

Willard Water, in my opinion, fits this definition. It's good and I have 
used it in the past. Yesterday I got my first supply of Okalani water from 
LifeWave company (for which I am a distributor). Okalani water raises the pH 
of the water dramatically and fits my description of "wetter" water.

Nenah

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Re: CS>Re: Cold Fusion/ Hemp

2005-07-07 Thread Marshall Dudley

Yeh, that is a good karmic story.  The main reason for stopping the growing of
hemp was because the cotton farmers were being hurt financially by it, it was
cheaper to grow, and replaced cotton many places.  There were varieties that had
almost no hallucigen in it, but they still used that to outlaw it.  Then when
the synthetics replaced cotton, the cotton farmers starting crying to be able to
grow hemp, but they were then unable to get the law appealed that they
originally sought.  So their original greed ended up eventually bankrupting many
if not most of them.

Marshall

T J Garland wrote:

> Guys-- do some reading on hemp and how it could replace millions of barrels
> of oil a day. WR Hurst did a real con job on the US.  TJ
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ode Coyote" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: Cold Fusion
>
> > James Patterson [inventer of microspheres, used every freekin where in
> > every flippin thing these days] tried to market a cold fusion water heater
> > a while back.
> >  For some reason it didn't take off.
> >  Time to check back in?
> >
> > http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/abc.html
> >  During the last year, Patterson's little beads have led to a huge
> > surprise. Not only do they produce heat. It turns out, they also
> neutralize
> > radioactivity.
> >
> > http://www.lightparty.com/Peace/MiracleInTheVoid.html
> > Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) is marketing licenses for the a power
> cell
> > invented by Dr. James Patterson, a scientist with a distinguished record
> of
> > achievement. News of his device spread widely when it was discussed on two
> > ABC shows, Nightline and Good Morning America.
> >
> > http://www.cleanenergy.com/
> > Clean Energy Technologies (CETI)
> > ..no mention of Dennis [the crook] Lee, for a change. [If you ever get the
> > chance, DO go see the show. It's a FACINATING display of con artistry and
> > emotional manipulation surpassed by none...just don't give him any money.
> > PS, you WILL 'want' to.]
> > http://www.phact.org/e/z/leemotortest.htm
> > http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html
> >
> >  People are still saying that Tesla 'made' free energy...never happened.
> >  Train loads of coal paid for by George Westinghouse was doing that job.
> >  Tesla wanted to freely 'transmit' energy...like every radio station does
> > today, by the multi megawatt. [Which incidently, lets people who live near
> > by pull out flourecent tubes from the closet for free light]
> >
> >  Got an antenna as big as a frigate sail?
> >  Oh! Wrong frequency!
> > See H.A.R.P. [and have that pointed at your house?]
> >
> > Ode
> >
> >
> > At 02:45 PM 7/6/2005 +0900, you wrote:
> > >
> > >This is a useful introduction to the topic for those who want it:
> > >
> > >http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html
> > >
> > >Cold fusion, if commercialized, would change the world so radically we
> > >can hardly comprehend the implications and ramifications.   The rapid
> > >demise of the corrupt oil empire would be one of the first blessings.
> > >
> > >Those lucky few who identify the Microsoft of cold fusion
> > >commercialization will of course become quite  wealthy.   But I assume
> > >most research at this stage is non-commercial.
> > >
> > >JBB
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005, at 14:39 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> A letter to the editor in today's newspaper (Daily Yomiuri)  mentioned
> > >> a recent success in room-temperature fusion somewhere in California.
> > >>
> > >> I wonder whether that's correct;  seems it would be big news if so.
> > >>
> > >> A quick Google did not turn up anything definitive;  if anyone knows
> > >> of something new I would be glad to hear.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks in advance;  I know some members follow this topic closely.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Re: CS>Magnetized Water

2005-07-07 Thread alltogethernow

I didn't expect a CS/h202 mixture to taste like regular spring water. It
was not my intention; but rather a surprise.


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Re: CS>styes

OK. Thanks. I don't wear contacts. Paula
- Original Message - 
From: "Shirley Reed" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: CS>styes


>   Hi.  I forgot to mention that you probably
> should not use the cs while wearing contact
> lenses.  Read somewhere that soaking lenses in cs
> can cause proteins to collect in grainy lumps,
> small to be sure, but not desirable anyway. 
> These are hard to get off.  That's not a good
> rendition of what I read, but still thought I
> would mention it.  My neighbor just puts the
> drops in a few minutes before inserting her
> lenses, and does the same in the evening after
> removing them.  pj
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - no fees. Bid on great items.  
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> 
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Re: CS>CS > Stye

Great story. I have put the CS in my eye a few times now. It is still pretty 
red but it doesn't hurt. Hopefully it is going away. Thanks, Paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: patriot2...@mindspring.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:28 PM
  Subject: CS>CS > Stye

  At 06:38 AM 7/7/2005, you wrote:

Thanks for the advice. I am glad to know you can put it directly in the eye.
Paula

  Hi, Paula ~~

  Last fall my daughter-in-law was diagnosed as having shingles in her eye.  
The doc gave her the usual medication, Acyclovir, but I immediately had her 
also begin washing the affected eye in ionized silver, and taking it 
internally, along with some DMSO in capsules to enhance internal absorption.  
By the very next day, the shingles effect was already lessening.  Only two tiny 
ones actually came to scab over, and her eye, though still red and scratchy 
feeling for a few days, improved from the minute she began putting silver in 
it.  A week later, she revisited her doctor, who remarked in surprise that it 
was the lightest case of shingles he had ever seen!  ;-) 

  If our family never got another single benefit from my joining this list and 
beginning to make and use silver, that saving of my beautiful daughter-in-law, 
whose career is "up front" in the cosmetics field at Nordstrom"s was ample 
reward!!!

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Re: CS>Magnetized Water

2005-07-07 Thread Dan Nave

Re: CS>Magnetized Water

From: Ode Coyote wrote:
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:58:51 

##  And there were no other variables?  Try it again a few hundred
times
running concurrent batches both with and without magnets while
eliminating
any other differences. Then see if you get the same results with a
prayer
group instead of magnets or lack of magnets and/or group. [ode]

*

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Re: CS>Re: Cold Fusion/ Hemp

2005-07-07 Thread T J Garland

Guys-- do some reading on hemp and how it could replace millions of barrels
of oil a day. WR Hurst did a real con job on the US.  TJ
- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Cold Fusion


> James Patterson [inventer of microspheres, used every freekin where in
> every flippin thing these days] tried to market a cold fusion water heater
> a while back.
>  For some reason it didn't take off.
>  Time to check back in?
>
> http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/abc.html
>  During the last year, Patterson's little beads have led to a huge
> surprise. Not only do they produce heat. It turns out, they also
neutralize
> radioactivity.
>
> http://www.lightparty.com/Peace/MiracleInTheVoid.html
> Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) is marketing licenses for the a power
cell
> invented by Dr. James Patterson, a scientist with a distinguished record
of
> achievement. News of his device spread widely when it was discussed on two
> ABC shows, Nightline and Good Morning America.
>
> http://www.cleanenergy.com/
> Clean Energy Technologies (CETI)
> ..no mention of Dennis [the crook] Lee, for a change. [If you ever get the
> chance, DO go see the show. It's a FACINATING display of con artistry and
> emotional manipulation surpassed by none...just don't give him any money.
> PS, you WILL 'want' to.]
> http://www.phact.org/e/z/leemotortest.htm
> http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html
>
>  People are still saying that Tesla 'made' free energy...never happened.
>  Train loads of coal paid for by George Westinghouse was doing that job.
>  Tesla wanted to freely 'transmit' energy...like every radio station does
> today, by the multi megawatt. [Which incidently, lets people who live near
> by pull out flourecent tubes from the closet for free light]
>
>  Got an antenna as big as a frigate sail?
>  Oh! Wrong frequency!
> See H.A.R.P. [and have that pointed at your house?]
>
> Ode
>
>
> At 02:45 PM 7/6/2005 +0900, you wrote:
> >
> >This is a useful introduction to the topic for those who want it:
> >
> >http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html
> >
> >Cold fusion, if commercialized, would change the world so radically we
> >can hardly comprehend the implications and ramifications.   The rapid
> >demise of the corrupt oil empire would be one of the first blessings.
> >
> >Those lucky few who identify the Microsoft of cold fusion
> >commercialization will of course become quite  wealthy.   But I assume
> >most research at this stage is non-commercial.
> >
> >JBB
> >
> >
> >
> >On Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005, at 14:39 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten
> >wrote:
> >
> >> A letter to the editor in today's newspaper (Daily Yomiuri)  mentioned
> >> a recent success in room-temperature fusion somewhere in California.
> >>
> >> I wonder whether that's correct;  seems it would be big news if so.
> >>
> >> A quick Google did not turn up anything definitive;  if anyone knows
> >> of something new I would be glad to hear.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance;  I know some members follow this topic closely.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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CS>CS > Stye

2005-07-07 Thread patriot2000



At 06:38 AM 7/7/2005, you wrote:
Thanks for the advice. I am glad
to know you can put it directly in the eye.
Paula
Hi, Paula ~~
Last fall my daughter-in-law was diagnosed as having shingles in her
eye.  The doc gave her the usual medication, Acyclovir, but I
immediately had her also begin washing the affected eye in ionized
silver, and taking it internally, along with some DMSO in capsules to
enhance internal absorption.  By the very next day, the shingles
effect was already lessening.  Only two tiny ones actually came to
scab over, and her eye, though still red and scratchy feeling for a few
days, improved from the minute she began putting silver in it.  A
week later, she revisited her doctor, who remarked in surprise that it
was the lightest case of shingles he had ever seen!  ;-) 
If our family never got another single benefit from my joining this list
and beginning to make and use silver, that saving of my beautiful
daughter-in-law, whose career is "up front" in the cosmetics
field at Nordstrom"s was ample reward!!!
Marlys



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Re: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---

2005-07-07 Thread Marshall Dudley

Have you tried this, or is it just an idea?  Since you have gone public with 
it, no
one can patent it unless they can show they invented it before the date of this
message. Brents design is only using sonic or ultrasonic for reducing the 
surface
tension of a concentional electrostatic cell.

Marshall

veganexus...@aol.com wrote:

> This is my idea entirely.
>
> use ultrasonic cavitation to make colloidal silver which is made of silver
> particles instead of ionic colloidal silver using electric current.
>
> an ultrasonic jewellery cleaning device can be used and costs about $100.
> a silver sheet or wire would be immersed in water and the device switched on.
>
> ultrasonic cleaning is well researched.
> look in google.
>
> the frequency can be adjuted to control the size of silver paticles.or
> the power level.
>
> the tank or container can be made of an inert plastic.
>
> remember maximum cavitation will occur near the ultrasonic transducer and so
> the silver wire/silver plate can be put next to the transducer immersed in
> water.
>
> the walls of the container will be much further away and as the power falls
> off very rapidly with distance from the ultrasonic transducer therefore 
> minimal
> erosion of the container will occur.
>
> Also in a brilliant innovative twist the container can be made of pure silver
> or coated with pure silver.
>
> the fineness of silver particles depends on the power level of the transducer
> and the distance from the ultrasonic transducer.
> further the ultrasonic from 15 khz to 70 khz fequency will also have an
> effect. generally higher frequencies and lower powers will produce finer and
> smaller particles due to cavitation/abrasion by the liquid into which the 
> metal is
> immersed.(water)
>
> i should point out no one has as far my research can tell in google has ever
> attempted to make non-ionic colloidal silver by this method.
>
> I understand meso silver is made by vacuum evaporation and deposition and is
> complex and expensive although particle size is very small.
>
> I urge you and others to experiment using ultrasonic methods.An ultrasonic
> jewellery cleaner can be purchased for about $100.
> a second hand one for even less and will last a long time.
>
> no doubt you could even patent the process and become rich and throw a few
> breadcrumbs this way too.
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CS>Brent's yellow CS

2005-07-07 Thread Trem

Try this 
http://web.archive.org/web/20041103100216/http://colloidalsilvergens.com/ 
It's from November 3, 2004


Trem


- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---




http://www.colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm

'Brents' ultrasonic CS generator...previous pic showed deep yellow CS and
was changed sometime last year.
I think he added an air bubbler as well. [maybe that's why?]

Ode




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Re: CS>help for a sty and also regarding CODEX

Thanks for the great idea.
Paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:43 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>help for a sty and also regarding CODEX

  The easiest way to cure a sty is to put CS in a small atomizer and carry it 
around with you.
  Prop eye open several times a day and spray. [Works better and easier than 
drops]
  It'll be gone in about 1 1/2 days.
  [My experience with several big juicy sties from aromatic wood particles such 
as Eastern red cedar and cyprus..one of which is still lodged in my eyelid 
after 2 years as an ecapsulated cyst, but not infected ever again. Aromatic 
woods like these don't soak up water and get soft enough to be washed out like 
other woods.
  Eye doc says it will eventually work itself out 'through' the eyelid. ]

  Ode

  At 10:52 AM 7/6/2005 -0400, you wrote: 

Does anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of a sty in the eye? I 
have been taking a half a teaspoon of the CS twice a day. Would you also dilute 
it and put it directly on the sty? Does anyone have any other thoughts or 
solultions?

Also want to say that the situation regarding CODEX is looking pretty grim. 
I hope everyone is contacting their representative in Congress to protest 
CAFTA. Please become informed if you haven't already. It should be coming out 
for a vote July 11th in the House. In addition to ushering in CODEX guidlines 
and making them mandatory, I am also fearful of what powers and protection it 
is going to grant the GMO producers. Read,- seedsof deception.com for more 
information about genetically modified food ingredients if you think you can 
stomach it. 

Thanks everybody,
Paula 

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CS>ode-water heater-overunity device

2005-07-07 Thread Shirley Reed

  Wow, Ode!!  Do you have any more recent 'stuff'
about these devices?  Something intelligible to
the not-so-knowledgeable (totally ignorant)?  Had
heard that it might be possible to negate
radioactivity and thus get rid of the r waste,
but never heard anything else.  And why the water
heaters haven't made it to the shelves is a real
mystery.  Unless it's another sell out to oil.  pj




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CS>styes

2005-07-07 Thread Shirley Reed

  Hi.  I forgot to mention that you probably
should not use the cs while wearing contact
lenses.  Read somewhere that soaking lenses in cs
can cause proteins to collect in grainy lumps,
small to be sure, but not desirable anyway. 
These are hard to get off.  That's not a good
rendition of what I read, but still thought I
would mention it.  My neighbor just puts the
drops in a few minutes before inserting her
lenses, and does the same in the evening after
removing them.  pj




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Re: CS>NEW METHOD FOR MAKING NON IONIC COLLOIDAL SILVER---


http://www.colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm

'Brents' ultrasonic CS generator...previous pic showed deep yellow CS and
was changed sometime last year.
 I think he added an air bubbler as well. [maybe that's why?]

Ode


At 04:02 AM 7/7/2005 EDT, you wrote:
>
>This is my idea entirely.
>
>use ultrasonic cavitation to make colloidal silver which is made of silver 
>particles instead of ionic colloidal silver using electric current.
>
>an ultrasonic jewellery cleaning device can be used and costs about $100.
>a silver sheet or wire would be immersed in water and the device switched on.
>
>ultrasonic cleaning is well researched.
>look in google.
>
>the frequency can be adjuted to control the size of silver paticles.or 
>the power level.
>
>the tank or container can be made of an inert plastic.
>
>remember maximum cavitation will occur near the ultrasonic transducer and so 
>the silver wire/silver plate can be put next to the transducer immersed in 
>water.
>
>the walls of the container will be much further away and as the power falls 
>off very rapidly with distance from the ultrasonic transducer therefore
minimal 
>erosion of the container will occur.
>
>Also in a brilliant innovative twist the container can be made of pure
silver 
>or coated with pure silver.
>
>the fineness of silver particles depends on the power level of the
transducer 
>and the distance from the ultrasonic transducer.
>further the ultrasonic from 15 khz to 70 khz fequency will also have an 
>effect. generally higher frequencies and lower powers will produce finer and 
>smaller particles due to cavitation/abrasion by the liquid into which the
metal is 
>immersed.(water)
>
>i should point out no one has as far my research can tell in google has ever 
>attempted to make non-ionic colloidal silver by this method.
>
>I understand meso silver is made by vacuum evaporation and deposition and is 
>complex and expensive although particle size is very small.
>
>I urge you and others to experiment using ultrasonic methods.An ultrasonic 
>jewellery cleaner can be purchased for about $100.
>a second hand one for even less and will last a long time.
>
>no doubt you could even patent the process and become rich and throw a few 
>breadcrumbs this way too.
>
>
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Re: CS>multimeter usefullness

2005-07-07 Thread Jason


Hi Ode:

Well said!  Your writing style is changing, have you been taking 
vitamins or something?  *LOL*


On an interesting engineering note:
Kind Regards,

Jason


Ode Coyote wrote:


 Microsiemens of conductivity includes a volumetric element that goes
beyond ohms.
Ohms may be useful, but the multimeter is putting it's own electricity
into the electrodes and generating EIS as you measure.  No telling what
that does to the measurement in different concentrations of EIS.

Microsiemens is not PPM...though, 'if' the measurement is taken at the
right time, it can have close to the same 'number' represented within the
average EIS makers range of normal strength.
The  numbers slew off one way and the other before and after that 'normal'
range of , say, 10 to 20 PPM due to varying ratios of dissolved
[conductive] and undissolved [nonconductive] componants.
Those ratios can also vary between batches in the same range made by the
same generator because any little thing in the water can nucleate or
catalyse ionic componants into a non conductive particle.
Using a laser [TE] can give you an "idea" on which way and how far to slew
the meter numbers to make a 'good guess' on what the PPM might actually be.

..not that any two identical meters read the same in any given range when
calibrated outside of that range, except by shear accident, or that
everyone has calibrated eyeballs.

The saving grace is that actual PPM doesn't freekin matter in the face of
no dosing standards at all. [That make any sense, at all]

'Ballpark parking lot' is plenty good enough for an EIS grenade. [If you
can hear the PA system, you're at the ballgame]

Eyeballs and taste buds tell a story.

Humm, weak..glug glug
Ahh, strong!...glug.
Holy cats! Rocket fuel! ... sip... while making funny faces.

..and the crowd roars "Home Run", perking up the tailgaters ears.

Ode

At 09:25 AM 7/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:
 


You guys are great as usual, thank you.  So I was
after a simple way to measure or estimate or even
compare my end result.  Previously I was holding the
electrodes the same distance apart and placing them in
the brew getting a reading of ohms to help decide the
brew readiness.  I would take from 20-50 ohms with a
clear batch and a bit of fuzz forming to give it the
thumbs up and consider it good and ready.  


Would measuring current be better (or both) for making
that kind of crude determination?

--- Ode Coyote  wrote:

   


So long as the elecrodes are always the same size
and distance apart and
parallel, an ammeter will get repeatability between
batches.
Deduct starting current [highly variable depending
on water quality] from
desired ending current.
That alone won't say much about what the PPM is,
just that it's nearly the
same from batch to batch.
Ode

At 07:37 PM 7/1/2005 -0700, you wrote:
 


How useful is a multimeter in relation to the
   


silver
 


concentration? For ex. a cheap yellow one?  I have
been checking in on this great list as long as I
   


have
 


been making and using the Silver Brew and do not
recall seeing this addressed directly.  It seems
obvious that it has, so forgive the redundancy if
   


so.
 


I should have inquired long ago as I have been
   


using
 


one since I started making my own a couple of years
ago, and use it with time, solution color,
   


electrode
 


fuzziness, laser pointer light, and the state of my
active inventory, along with intuition, stages of
   


the
 


moon, and reading my tea leaves in urine.  So you
   


see
 


I have such a wide array of inaccurate measures I
assume that the sum or average of these absolutely
obligates perfection.



--- Tad Winiecki  wrote:

   


---Max Sanders wrote---
 


I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and
   


one
 


especially is prone to these infections.  Does
   


anyone
 


have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute
   


that
 


may
 


be available in Costa Rica/tropics?  They have
   


CS
 


in
 


limited quantity and use it as well as GSE.

Maz
   


Here is a list of herbs for Cystitis from
"Energetics of Western Herbs",
Peter Holmes-
Agrimony
Bearberry
Birch
Blackberry
Caraway seed
Celery seed
Chicory
Cleavers
Grapevine
Lavender oil
Meadowsweet
Melilot
Mint
Parsley seed
Pasque flower
Pipsissewa
Ribwort plantain
Rosemary
Sarsaparilla
Shepherd's purse
Thyme oil
Veronica
Wood Betony

Also a formula for Kidney Cleanse Detox Tea-

In blender put equal amounts of:

Ground Juniper berries
Cornsilk
Uva Ursi leaves
Parsley root and leaf
Carrot tops
Dandelion leaf
Horsetail herbs
Goldenrod flower tops
Orange peel
Peppermint leaf
Hydrangea root
Gravel root
Marshmallow root

Blend and use to make detox tea.

Store in glass jar out of light.

Dosage:
2 cups of the tea consumed 15 minutes after doing
your Liver/Gall
Bladder Flush. It can also be drunk

Re: CS>Magnetized Water

 If you did the deed and drank the water, you had an intention.  Period.
 Nothing ever happens or gets done without one and it would be extremely
rare for anyone to be 'aware' of what their 'true' intentions are.
Ode

At 05:29 PM 7/6/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>Content-Disposition: Inline
>
>I'm Con-vinced I could prove the different improvement in my CS/h202
>using the magnets taped to my bottle- to an intellectually honest
>person.
> I drank the water before and after, with out "intending" to find a
>difference.
> I was pleasantly surprised by the absence of metal/bleach taste.
> Today, the same occured with a different batch, and the all day as
>well.
> I'll try and pour it from the magnet bottle, into a glass, let it sit a
>bit, and drink- to see what happens..  
>
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Re: CS>help for a sty and also regarding CODEX

The easiest way to cure a sty is to put CS in a small atomizer and carry it around with you.
Prop eye open several times a day and spray. [Works better and easier than drops]
It'll be gone in about 1 1/2 days.
[My experience with several big juicy sties from aromatic wood particles such as Eastern red cedar and cyprus..one of which is still lodged in my eyelid after 2 years as an ecapsulated cyst, but not infected ever again. Aromatic woods like these don't soak up water and get soft enough to be washed out like other woods.
Eye doc says it will eventually work itself out 'through' the eyelid. ]

Ode

At 10:52 AM 7/6/2005 -0400, you wrote:

Does anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of a sty in the eye? I have been taking a half a teaspoon of the CS twice a day. Would you also dilute it and put it directly on the sty? Does anyone have any other thoughts or solultions?

Also want to say that the situation regarding CODEX is looking pretty grim. I hope everyone is contacting their representative in Congress to protest CAFTA. Please become informed if you haven't already. It should be coming out for a vote July 11th in the House. In addition to ushering in CODEX guidlines and making them mandatory, I am also fearful of what powers and protection it is going to grant the GMO producers. Read,- seedsof deception.com for more information about genetically modified food ingredients if you think you can stomach it.

Thanks everybody,
Paula

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Re: CS>Multimeter usefulness

  Microsiemens of conductivity includes a volumetric element that goes
beyond ohms.
 Ohms may be useful, but the multimeter is putting it's own electricity
into the electrodes and generating EIS as you measure.  No telling what
that does to the measurement in different concentrations of EIS.

Microsiemens is not PPM...though, 'if' the measurement is taken at the
right time, it can have close to the same 'number' represented within the
average EIS makers range of normal strength.
 The  numbers slew off one way and the other before and after that 'normal'
range of , say, 10 to 20 PPM due to varying ratios of dissolved
[conductive] and undissolved [nonconductive] componants.
 Those ratios can also vary between batches in the same range made by the
same generator because any little thing in the water can nucleate or
catalyse ionic componants into a non conductive particle.
 Using a laser [TE] can give you an "idea" on which way and how far to slew
the meter numbers to make a 'good guess' on what the PPM might actually be.

..not that any two identical meters read the same in any given range when
calibrated outside of that range, except by shear accident, or that
everyone has calibrated eyeballs.

The saving grace is that actual PPM doesn't freekin matter in the face of
no dosing standards at all. [That make any sense, at all]

'Ballpark parking lot' is plenty good enough for an EIS grenade. [If you
can hear the PA system, you're at the ballgame]

Eyeballs and taste buds tell a story.

Humm, weak..glug glug
Ahh, strong!...glug.
Holy cats! Rocket fuel! ... sip... while making funny faces.

..and the crowd roars "Home Run", perking up the tailgaters ears.

Ode

At 09:25 AM 7/6/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>
>You guys are great as usual, thank you.  So I was
>after a simple way to measure or estimate or even
>compare my end result.  Previously I was holding the
>electrodes the same distance apart and placing them in
>the brew getting a reading of ohms to help decide the
>brew readiness.  I would take from 20-50 ohms with a
>clear batch and a bit of fuzz forming to give it the
>thumbs up and consider it good and ready.  
>
>Would measuring current be better (or both) for making
>that kind of crude determination?
>
>--- Ode Coyote  wrote:
>
>> 
>>  So long as the elecrodes are always the same size
>> and distance apart and
>> parallel, an ammeter will get repeatability between
>> batches.
>>  Deduct starting current [highly variable depending
>> on water quality] from
>> desired ending current.
>>  That alone won't say much about what the PPM is,
>> just that it's nearly the
>> same from batch to batch.
>> Ode
>> 
>> At 07:37 PM 7/1/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>> >
>> >How useful is a multimeter in relation to the
>> silver
>> >concentration? For ex. a cheap yellow one?  I have
>> >been checking in on this great list as long as I
>> have
>> >been making and using the Silver Brew and do not
>> >recall seeing this addressed directly.  It seems
>> >obvious that it has, so forgive the redundancy if
>> so.
>> >
>> >I should have inquired long ago as I have been
>> using
>> >one since I started making my own a couple of years
>> >ago, and use it with time, solution color,
>> electrode
>> >fuzziness, laser pointer light, and the state of my
>> >active inventory, along with intuition, stages of
>> the
>> >moon, and reading my tea leaves in urine.  So you
>> see
>> >I have such a wide array of inaccurate measures I
>> >assume that the sum or average of these absolutely
>> >obligates perfection.
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >--- Tad Winiecki  wrote:
>> >
>> >> ---Max Sanders wrote---
>> >> >
>> >> >I have 2 daughters in Costa Rica (tropics) and
>> one
>> >> >especially is prone to these infections.  Does
>> >> anyone
>> >> >have a suggestion for a cranberry substitute
>> that
>> >> may
>> >> >be available in Costa Rica/tropics?  They have
>> CS
>> >> in
>> >> >limited quantity and use it as well as GSE.
>> >> >
>> >> >Maz
>> >> 
>> >> Here is a list of herbs for Cystitis from
>> >> "Energetics of Western Herbs",
>> >> Peter Holmes-
>> >> Agrimony
>> >> Bearberry
>> >> Birch
>> >> Blackberry
>> >> Caraway seed
>> >> Celery seed
>> >> Chicory
>> >> Cleavers
>> >> Grapevine
>> >> Lavender oil
>> >> Meadowsweet
>> >> Melilot
>> >> Mint
>> >> Parsley seed
>> >> Pasque flower
>> >> Pipsissewa
>> >> Ribwort plantain
>> >> Rosemary
>> >> Sarsaparilla
>> >> Shepherd's purse
>> >> Thyme oil
>> >> Veronica
>> >> Wood Betony
>> >> 
>> >> Also a formula for Kidney Cleanse Detox Tea-
>> >> 
>> >> In blender put equal amounts of:
>> >> 
>> >> Ground Juniper berries
>> >> Cornsilk
>> >> Uva Ursi leaves
>> >> Parsley root and leaf
>> >> Carrot tops
>> >> Dandelion leaf
>> >> Horsetail herbs
>> >> Goldenrod flower tops
>> >> Orange peel
>> >> Peppermint leaf
>> >> Hydrangea root
>> >> Gravel root
>> >> Marshmallow root
>> >> 
>> >> Blend and use to make detox tea.
>> >> 
>> >> Store in glass jar out of light.
>> >> 
>> >> Dosage:
>> >> 2 cu

Re: CS>

http://www.reach-for-life.com/prodinfo/colsil_iris.htm#I.A.
___I.A.1.  ORAL RfD SUMMARY


Critical Effect Experimental Doses*  UF MFRfD
----   --- -
Argyria NOEL: None 3 1   5E-3

mg/kg/day
2- to 9-YearLOAEL: 1 g (total dose);
Human i.v. Studyconverted to an oral
dose of 0.014 mg/kg/day
Gaul and Staud, 1935

According to that.
The RFD is 5 milligrams per kilo per day [mg, not ug] over a period of 70 years.
Note how they say that silver arsphenamine is "colloidal silver" [ode]

4.8 mg is below that level.

Now, just how many people have mistranslated Mg as Ug, thinking that the M stands for micro?
Everything I've seen that stated 'micro', had the word written out rather than being the symbol. [ode]

http://www.happyherbalist.com/fda_report.htm#reference%20dose
Quoting from Alexander G. Schauss, Ph.D. (John Hopkins University)

you should be advised that we recently completed an extensive review of the scientific literature on the safety of silver, especially as it relates to its one known potential side effect, namely, Argyria. Argyia is an irreversible discoloration of the pigment (skin) caused by excessive silver intake or chronic exposure to silver by certain tissues. The amount of silver required to develop Argyria is estimated to be 3.8 grams per day.  By comparison standard 10 ppm colloidal silver contains silver in amounts equaling less than 1 milligram of silver (1,000 micrograms = 1 milligram; 1,000 milligrams - 1 gram), which therefore represents an amount approximately 1/500th to 1/1000th of the amount of silver considered to be a risk in the development of Argyria.

..seems to be some discrepencies and confusions out there about exactly what various people are trying to say about what...but all of it falls well below an average  EIS users average daily consumption rate.

Ode

At 05:23 AM 7/6/2005 -0700, you wrote: 

frank? anybody?
  
nobody seemed to react to these statements posted here.  excpet me, that is !
  
did you all miss it or are you just tired of dealing with it?
  
i'm very concerned by it because the quantities identified by the epa (not that i hold them in higher esteem than the skunk in my yard !) and my daily consumption converted from 20ppms/8oz to mg are like 1500% different !
  
hard for me to imagine that the epa could really be that much off !
  
and i'm thinking that maybe the conversion equasion was wrong.
  
could somebody help please?
  
below is my original post
  
thanks,
angel
  




- Original Message - 
From: angel nest 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: silver toxicity / Frank again

But Frank...  I think I might be in trouble
  
What about this statement in one of Michael's emails...
>>>The US-EPA publishes an oral reference dose (RfD) that
is based on a threshold for certain toxic effects such
as cellular necrosis. In units of micrograms per kg
per day and is an estimate of the maximum amount of
daily silver exposure that is not associated with any
deleterious effects over a lifetime. Current RfD for
oral silver exposure is 5 micrograms per kg per day.
An average (european) 70 kg man: = 350 µg/day>>>


That means that my 4.8mg-4800mcg daily is about 1500% more than the safe daily dose  !!  I'm about 50kg ~105lbs, so I should only be consuming 250mcg, right ???
  
Or am I missing something ???
  
Thanks again,
Angel
  
From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL 
Angel 
 To convert part per million (by weight) into miligrams in 8 oz. do the following:
  
One fluid oz.of CS equals about 30 grams.
 8 oz. of CS is therefore 240 grams in which you have 20 ppm.
 The grams of silver contained in your 8 oz,
 20x240/100=0.0048 gr or 4.8 miligrams.
 This asumes that the specific gravity of a ppm CS dispersion is 1.00.
 Hope it hels
 Frank Cuns-Ria
  

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Re: CS>Re: Cold Fusion

James Patterson [inventer of microspheres, used every freekin where in
every flippin thing these days] tried to market a cold fusion water heater
a while back.
 For some reason it didn't take off.
 Time to check back in?

http://www.infinite-energy.com/resources/abc.html
 During the last year, Patterson's little beads have led to a huge
surprise. Not only do they produce heat. It turns out, they also neutralize
radioactivity.

http://www.lightparty.com/Peace/MiracleInTheVoid.html
Clean Energy Technologies (CETI) is marketing licenses for the a power cell
invented by Dr. James Patterson, a scientist with a distinguished record of
achievement. News of his device spread widely when it was discussed on two
ABC shows, Nightline and Good Morning America.

http://www.cleanenergy.com/
Clean Energy Technologies (CETI)
..no mention of Dennis [the crook] Lee, for a change. [If you ever get the
chance, DO go see the show. It's a FACINATING display of con artistry and
emotional manipulation surpassed by none...just don't give him any money.
PS, you WILL 'want' to.]
http://www.phact.org/e/z/leemotortest.htm
http://www.phact.org/e/dennis.html

 People are still saying that Tesla 'made' free energy...never happened.
 Train loads of coal paid for by George Westinghouse was doing that job.
 Tesla wanted to freely 'transmit' energy...like every radio station does
today, by the multi megawatt. [Which incidently, lets people who live near
by pull out flourecent tubes from the closet for free light]

 Got an antenna as big as a frigate sail?
 Oh! Wrong frequency!
See H.A.R.P. [and have that pointed at your house?]

Ode

At 02:45 PM 7/6/2005 +0900, you wrote:
>
>This is a useful introduction to the topic for those who want it:
>
>http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion_pr.html
>
>Cold fusion, if commercialized, would change the world so radically we 
>can hardly comprehend the implications and ramifications.   The rapid 
>demise of the corrupt oil empire would be one of the first blessings.
>
>Those lucky few who identify the Microsoft of cold fusion 
>commercialization will of course become quite  wealthy.   But I assume 
>most research at this stage is non-commercial.
>
>JBB
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005, at 14:39 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten 
>wrote:
>
>> A letter to the editor in today's newspaper (Daily Yomiuri)  mentioned 
>> a recent success in room-temperature fusion somewhere in California.
>>
>> I wonder whether that's correct;  seems it would be big news if so.
>>
>> A quick Google did not turn up anything definitive;  if anyone knows 
>> of something new I would be glad to hear.
>>
>> Thanks in advance;  I know some members follow this topic closely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: CS>CODEX in Rome

2005-07-07 Thread FRANK CUNS-RIAL


Nenah,
Nothing further from my mind that argue a pointless issue but I need to 
remind you that the same type of sentiment was running when we signed into 
WTO.

I remember " the chinese are going to tell us what to do.." and so on.
Nenah, I have been in the supplelement business for ten years (ex-chemist in 
my previous corporate career), I belong to their associations, know most of 
the principals, meet with them at seminars, conferences, etc, consult for 
some and nobody is attaching any significance to the Codex or Cafta as a 
threat to our domestic liberties.
I did call Mel Martinez's office (senator) and asked once again what would 
the effect be and the legal advisor expressed a similar view. These treaties 
are to regulate our traffic to them not to control our internal affairs. 
Only Congress can act to rescind or modify DSHEA.
I make my living formulating, consulting and selling supplements and I am 
not concerned by Codex. Europeans are under the authority of  Codex and they 
deserve it because for many years they have been scolding us for our liberal 
approach to supplements and giving us the same falacious argument as the 
dieticians in this country use, namely that  " a balanced diet supplies the 
necessary nutrients,,,"
Keep also in mind that in Germany, England and France the Homeopathic 
medicine is going to boom.
Rath thought to gain reverse momentum to affect Rome's meeting by 
capitalizing on our freedoms. Unfortunatelly it did not work.
I must say that some countries such as Indonesia, Philipines, etc are 
presently using much tighter rules than Codex and thus they represent an 
opportunity for more imports from US.
What will do our industry in,  is the "enemy within" Many schools of 
Naturpopathy are no more than alopathics using natural remedies. They 
believe in remedying, rather than curing. They use herbals not to cure but 
to "manage" disease. Is a trade off of synthetics for natural compounds but 
the underlying healing philosophy is much different from that of the 
tradicional naturistic physicians.
Be aware of schools emerging all over offering two years of weekend training 
for MD allopaths to get a degree in naturopathy.
The NIH has a definite agenda to destroy us by accepting to run studies 
(double-blinds, placebo controlled, multicenter, etc.) on specific 
supplements against specific diseases. Those who submit to that approach are 
totally unaware of biochemical individuality and pretend to gain the seal of 
approval of the NHI for commercial purposes. Many fail and they blame the 
establishment. Fools. They are the ones who make money peddling compounds 
but they have no idea about their physiological dynamics.
These are the folks that are doing us in together with the  the FDA-AMA-FTC 
cartel and our fury and discust should be primarily directed against them.

But then, that is just my opinion
PS I'll never feel "shouted" at by you.
Friendly

Frank Cuns-Rial.. - Original Message - 
From: "Nenah Sylver" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: CS>CODEX in Rome




- Original Message - 
From: "FRANK CUNS-RIAL" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: CS>CODEX in Rome


My understanding about any international treaty having to do with Codex 
is that our supplements exported to the subscribing countries will have 
to meet their standards, but domestic USA production for domestic use 
will not be afected.


NO NO NO! This is not true. If CAFTA (another "treaty") is signed, 
this will be the final nail in the coffin. The US will be bound to accept 
the INTERNATIONAL STANDARD rather than its own laws. International 
standards will SUPERSEDE our own sovereignty.


This is why CODEX is so insidious.

Frank, I don't mean to "shout" at you, I'm just trying to correct 
misinformation. There have been plenty of "plants" out there trying to 
mislead us into complacency.


Another highly insidious front is known as "Weiling" refering to Andrew 
Weil, the opportunistic MD who is trying to absorb the nutritional 
industry into the medical world.


I once received a few sample newsletters from Weil and found them full of 
misinformation.


Nenah


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Re: CS>stye

Thanks for the advice. I am glad to know you can put it directly in the eye.
Paula

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: CS>stye


>   I routinely use CS in the eye straight.  Just
> put a few drops in the corner of each eye, open,
> roll and dab.  Might sting a little, but is very
> refreshing.  Haven't had a stye in many years,
> but it does wonders for children's pink eye and
> any kind of eye irritation.  Best wishes.  pj
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sell on Yahoo! Auctions - no fees. Bid on great items.  
> http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> 
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Re: CS>codex question

2005-07-07 Thread Jonathan B. Britten

See the latest edition of the Life Extension Foundation monthly 
magazine for a good overview of the CODEX and potential ramifications 
for the USA.   It is balanced and informative.   I think you can get 
the magazine online.






On Wednesday, Jul 6, 2005, at 23:43 Asia/Tokyo, rose wrote:


hi list,
 
when i posted my codex question forgot to do the subject line...i made 
it yesterday.  would anyone in the know please comment on the states 
rights thing in relation to codex...

 
i look to the insight of this list to collect opinions on if that 
would work to keep our supplements.  i have a friend in calif who is 
not worried about codex at all.  she would mention states laws but did 
not go into the detail of this post i found elsewhere...

 
comments PLEASE.
 
a rose...
 
ps...i googled hilary...pretty damming stuff on reincarnation...jk. 
 don't worry about it hilary...on the same page mike is talking about 
conspiracies and free energy...i think they will come for him first 
*wink*.

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