CS>lyme to bev
Have you tried using olive leaf and garlic to help with lyme? __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Thanks TJ, They have a different explanation for how it kills the insects. They claim that it sucks the moisture out and they dry up. Nitron doesn't give you a 'heads-up' on the Shipping costs before you pay. Bill Keen T J Garland wrote: Go to www.nitron.com .Pay $40 for a 50 lb. bag. Very safe to ingest. TJ - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Re: CS>re: diatomaceous earth
Carol Ann, You haven't read this site either: http://www.h2o2-4u.com/grades.html Bill Keen Carol Ann wrote: The classifications are for a reason. There is a considerable difference between OTC H20 which is not recommended for ingestion, only topical, due to chemical additatives used as stabalizers and Food Grade which is used, diluted of course, for internal use such as IV administrations.
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Read what the company puts in it to make it Perma-Guard and make up your own mind. It is NOT Food Grade! I found NO REFERENCE to food grade in their website write-up. Bill Keen grace1...@aol.com wrote: The Perma-Guard was sold to me to be used to mix with wheat for storage. The information that came with it said that the owner of the company had it tested for minerals, and gave the the mineral content; it also said he takes it every day as a mineral supplement. Are you saying that Perma-Guard is not safe for for internal consumption? Jill
Re: CS>re: diatomaceous earth
Judith, Recheck my posts where I answered this. I got that price after following the links given on this forum for what is selling on the internet as Food Grade. It is NOT the price that I have been paying at the feed store. Bill Keen jmcge...@att.net wrote: Bill, >> Mine was always purchased at the feed store for about $10/8 pounds. >> >>However I have never seen it marked as Food Grade and so I don't worry >> >>about that issue. It may actually be food grade and you've simply never noticed the label. The feed stores and nurseries don't put big signs out -- there's just a small label on the bag that says "food codex grade" >> I'm sure that if they had to get it certified as Food Grade the price is >>considerably more just as it is with hydorgen peroxide Food Grade. That's a pretty big assumption on your part, especially since I just told you that I get food-grade DE for $8 for a 20 lb bag. You have absolutely no basis for throwing around the kind of numbers you did in a previous post (where you said $1.50 per oz) I appreciate your perspective, but perhaps you could try to reconsider the assumptions you've been defending so hard over the last couple of days on this list Judith
Re: CS>best 'green' food powder?/
Excuse me, but what has this got to do with green food powders? T J Garland wrote: www.herbdoc.com Superfood - Original Message - From: Ole Alstrup To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: CS>best 'green' food powder?/ Well, that certainly depends where you are in the world. In the US, these products are available in most healthfood shops and many online retailers. Cyanotech Hawaiian Spirulina Pacifica and Earthrise Spirulina can also be ordered online directly from the producers. http://www.nutrex-hawaii.com/ http://www.earthrise.com/home.asp Yaeyama Chlorella is imported to the US and distributed under different brands and is available retail and online. But they should clearly state it is Yaeyama on the label, otherwise it is not the same chlorella. You can do a google search to locate the best prices. But I believe that Now Foods are the largest brand offering Yaeyama at very good prices. The best AFA Blue Green Algae is currently harvested ! and processed by Vision Inc. and is available at http://www.e3live.com Jeanne wrote: SO WE NOW HAVE ALL THIS INFO BUT HOW AND WHERE DO WE ORDER THIS? IS THERE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN BUY IT? I CAN FIND NO INFO ON THAT. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. - Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from Yahoo!
Re: CS>comparison of chlorella types.
Thanks for these insights about Yaeyama chlorella! epa...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Ernie, Thanks for keeping in touch. Yes, we know this company. Many US companies are using this source. Earthrise, Jarrow, Sequal (ChlorEssense). -Message snipped--- - Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now -
Re: CS>Nasty creatures
Ransley, Your posts and other like it have made me so much more conscious of food and the importance of not underestimating or overlooking cleanliness. My son related to me that when he recently bit into an Apple which looked perfectly normal, he noticed it had worms at the core. They are actually apple maggots.Had he not been attentive, he might have just eaten the apples guests. As it is he may have some of its offspring. After reading these posts I've come to believe that regardless of whether we appear healthy or whether we are battling illness, regular parasite cleanses for good measure are not only sensible but in order. What scients are saying is that only a very small fraction of parasites have been identified and that due to the endangerment of natural habitats, parasites are seeking through adaptation more suitable hosts. Guess who? Two legged ones capable of traveling greater distances and carrying their guests for greater population dispersion, thus longevity. ransley wrote: Someone wrote: >If I see nasty creatures that came out of me, I'll be writing from the mental institution next time! < I've been so busy for weeks now fighting Lyme disease in a family member, that I haven't had time to keep up with this forum, but this caught my eye. Some of you will know that I've been around these forums for a long time and have experienced remarkable recoveries, but nothing prepared me for what I'm going to tell you now (A few here already know about this). I started doing the Salt & Vitamin C protocol over a month ago to be in solidarity with my family member. Within a few days, a freaking worm came out of my tongue. I can scarcely describe the revulsion, but the comment above comes pretty dang close! It appears it was a nematode. This creature and this happening are described at Lymephotos.com. Parasites are for real, people. I am now a believer. The ironic thing is that I never gave much credence to parasite infestations before. Now I'm a bit more educated. I could have gotten this thing in larval form from eating a salad. Nematode larva can burrow into any part of your body. Daddybob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Carol Ann ___ The Pessimist complains about the Wind; The Optimist expects it to change; The Realist adjusts the Sails. - The world needs more sailors. - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
CS>To OT list, was Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
I just sent a post about pool grade DE to the OT list, it seems about time to move this topic over there. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
I am looking at a Nitron catalog for DE for $37.45 for a 50 lb. bag. They sell agreat "blower" for $29.95. From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse Bill Keen wrote: Thanks V, That's what I paid for the 8 lb bag at the feed store. I haven't seen any evidence of anything wrong after using the fs source so I'll continue using it Why do you think there would be anything wrong with it? They would be selling food grade, not the swimming pool stuff. I don't mind giving some away for flea powder to my neighbors that way and it certainly hasn't hurt my dogs and cats. THis is the first that I've even heard of food grade DE. One of the reference sites says that if you have eaten anything made with wheat flour you have eaten DE. Apparently because it is used an an insecticide in the grain storage facilities. At $1.50/oz I seriously doubt that they are using food grade for a silo of grain. Where did you get that absurd price? Food grade DE sells for about $2.50 a pound, not $1.50 and ounce. http://www.gardenharvestsupply.com/de_permaguard.aspx so adding about .1% of that to a pound of flour would only cost about .2 cents. Marshall I'm going to have to read a lot more to find out just when/where/why the DE is heated and how much. Thanks, Bill Keen V wrote: Hi Bill, I got food grade DE here at this site. http://store.yahoo.com/herbal-remedies-usa/diead6oz.html
Re: CS>distiller questions, was Re: CS>Unidentified subject!
Ole Bob, I don't know if you remember you told me to do the same thing quite a while back. I tried it and it makes my DW come out with a much higher uS reading. My husband said "that can't happen" but it sure did happen. I did the experiment more than once. If it would be of any interest I can do it a couple times again. Any idea what could be going on? Further--- at times water from a single pass through the distiller has come out reading .4 uS. Making CS with that DW made yellow CS. I ran another gallon of water through the distiller twice, it came out from the second distilling with a uS reading of .4 uS but it made perfectly clear CS. At times the uS has been higher after one run, and lower after the second distilling of the same water, but not always. Since I can't fix whatever it is, just do whatever it takes to get the DW pure enough for making clear CS. But curiosity as to what could be happening still bugs me. So far the only thing noted is that the need to double distill seems to happen when the river that the town water supply comes from is low. When the river is very high, one distilling works perfectly. There must be some contaminant in the river water that is more concentrated when the river is low. But I have no idea what it is. The town water company sends out reports of their tests of the tap water, and supposedly it exceeds all water standards, is very pure, etc. etc. I wonder if I should be believing that. sol Robert Berger wrote: If possible blow-off the first 5 minutes of boiling and then route the steam throught the condencing coils. that way is there are any organic compounds tha thave a boiling point near that of water they will boil off first and not go through your still. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>DE & CS for teeth
Food grade DE and a mouthful of CS are really good for cleaning the teeth about once in two weeks. I wouldn't do it any more often than that. DB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Go to www.nitron.com .Pay $40 for a 50 lb. bag. Very safe to ingest. TJ - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:55 AM Subject: Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth > Bill Keen, > > Everywhere I have seen diatomaceous earth's use for animal or human > consumption discussed, we are strongly warned to avoid the swimming > pool filter type because it may be processed with heat that > significantly alters its chemical and physical properties, making it > vastly more dangerous if accidentally inhaled. > > You claim to have observed material with similar packaging and gross > physical characteristics being sold for both purposes, and are urging > our members on the basis of that casual impression to ignore an > industry-wide safety standard. > > Lacking microscopic and chemical analysis that proves that swimming > pool filter grade diatomaceous earth is IN EVERY CASE indistinguishable > from food grade in terms of percentage of free silica content and > freedom from other contaminants, I believe it would be prudent for our > members to refrain from using swimming pool grade DE. > > If you do discover such information and wish to share it with us, > please do so, as we would be interested. > > Be well, > > Mike Devour > silver-list owner > > Bill Keen wrote: > > Terry, > > > > Check your facts. There are no crystals in DE. It is a naturally > > occurring calceous product of organic origin and is not processed. > > > > Just where did you get the info that you are supporting? Have you > > done ANY research for yourself or have you just listened to the > > nonsense some self-proclaimed 'experts' have given you? > > > > I have never found 'Food Grade' and therefore never used it. A > > natural substance, ground up and bagged, had no serious contaminants. > > You appear to be a 'sheeple' who believes that the Feds have all the > > answers to your problems. That is what "food grade' really is - a > > federal scam. > > > > I have never paid the exhorbitant sums they ask for the pool filter > > DE but I have checked the bags/boxes and they are the same as the feed > > store variety. Those that have used the pool filter source have > > reported that there were no clumps or anything else different from what > > I showed them in my bag. > > > > Bill Keen > > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@eskimo.com] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>best 'green' food powder?/
www.herbdoc.com Superfood - Original Message - From: Ole Alstrup To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:48 PM Subject: Re: CS>best 'green' food powder?/ Well, that certainly depends where you are in the world. In the US, these products are available in most healthfood shops and many online retailers. Cyanotech Hawaiian Spirulina Pacifica and Earthrise Spirulina can also be ordered online directly from the producers. http://www.nutrex-hawaii.com/ http://www.earthrise.com/home.asp Yaeyama Chlorella is imported to the US and distributed under different brands and is available retail and online. But they should clearly state it is Yaeyama on the label, otherwise it is not the same chlorella. You can do a google search to locate the best prices. But I believe that Now Foods are the largest brand offering Yaeyama at very good prices. The best AFA Blue Green Algae is currently harvested ! and processed by Vision Inc. and is available at http://www.e3live.com Jeanne wrote: SO WE NOW HAVE ALL THIS INFO BUT HOW AND WHERE DO WE ORDER THIS? IS THERE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN BUY IT? I CAN FIND NO INFO ON THAT. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? -- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
CS>colloid master 777 instructions & tips...
hello all... silly me, i seem to have misplaced my instructions and so i'm checking in with anyone who would be so kind as to (pretty please :-) ) give me a quick training session... what settings to use, etc i'm excited about this, it's going to be my very first batch... any help would be greatly appreciated... thanks! dc -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>re: diatomaceous earth
The classifications are for a reason. There is a considerable difference between OTC H20 which is not recommended for ingestion, only topical, due to chemical additatives used as stabalizers and Food Grade which is used, diluted of course, for internal use such as IV administrations. Bill wrote: >> I'm sure that if they had to get it certified as Food Grade the price is >>considerably more just as it is with hydorgen peroxide Food Grade. That's a pretty big assumption on your part, especially since I just told you that I get food-grade DE for $8 for a 20 lb bag. You have absolutely no basis for throwing around the kind of numbers you did in a previous post (where you said $1.50 per oz) I appreciate your perspective, but perhaps you could try to reconsider the assumptions you've been defending so hard over the last couple of days on this list Judith Carol Ann ___ The Pessimist complains about the Wind; The Optimist expects it to change; The Realist adjusts the Sails. - The world needs more sailors. - Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
Re: CS>Niacin Acid reflux
Thanks for the info. Brickey
Re: CS>distiller questions, was Re: CS>Unidentified subject!
If possible blow-off the first 5 minutes of boiling and then route the steam throught the condencing coils. that way is there are any organic compounds tha thave a boiling point near that of water they will boil off first and not go through your still. "Ole Bob" sickleave48...@aol.com wrote: I have a cheap 1 Gallon water distiller and find it works best if do not fill it up. I distill about 3 quarts at a time. Bob
CS>comparison of chlorella types.
Hi Ernie, Thanks for keeping in touch. Yes, we know this company. Many US companies are using this source. Earthrise, Jarrow, Sequal (ChlorEssense). This chlorella is a different species, Vulgaris, with soft cell wall. It claims to be more nutritious than Pyrenoidosa speciese. Many years ago, they approached us for us to distribute for them. I was very much puzzled by the fact that their heavy metal content was very high (at 20 ppm). While most of chlorella (pyrenoidosa) is only at 1 or 2 ppm at the worst. I requested the break down to see what was in it, but they did not do separate testing on mercury and lead then. I told them then that we could never distribute for them as the level of detection for heavy metal is too high. My opinion is that the species is easy to get contaminated as the cell wall is soft. In Pyrenoidosa species, the inside chlorella (where all nutrients are stored) is protected by the tough cell wall. While this Yaeyama chlorella being vulgaris has a soft cell wall and therefore it is easy for contaminants to cross into inside. But of course this is my guessing using my common sense, as I could not ask them to explain why this level is so much higher. I do not like this company for another reason. Their sales literature is not always truthful. For example, they claim their CGF in their chlorella is 20%. This is actually very doubtful. With my common sense, I know chlorophyll content in chlorella is around 25% and chlorella looks green. If CGF is 20% chlorella should look yellow, not green. Also, CGF is hot water soluble substance and will not easily absorbed if just taken without proper treatment. Our CGF liquid is extract with hot water. I think Yaeyama is a great company doing marketing. But I am definitely not sure of the quality of chlorella. I trust almost all commercial growers of chlorella choose pyrenoidosa species for a reason. If Yaeyama chlorella (vulgaris) is truly as good as it is claimed, all other companies will grow the same thing. In fact many chlorella growers insist that vulgaris is not a good species of chlorella and therefore they are not growing it. For me I believe which species to use for chlorella was decided almost 40 years ago, when Sun chlorella came out with Pyrenoidosa. Many research was done on Pyrenoidosa, not on vulgaris. This is a technical issue, but for me the most important issue is heavy metal issue. For this reason, I would not personally use Yaeyama chlorella at all. In fact, I think the Japanese chlorella (grown in Japan) is among the worst. Sun chlorella is a Japanese chlorella, but it is grown in Indoniesia, not japan, and it is pyrenoidosa, not vulgaris. There are only a few countries that grow good chlorella. Japan is not one of them. Taiwan, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia are the usual choice of growers. Ours is from Taiwan but its quality is all controlled by Germans. It is very unfortunate now that commercialization sometimes makes it harder for people to see the truth of matter. The above is just my personal opinion and I hope you could use your judgment in this matter, not influenced by mine. Hope the above explains well your questions. Thanks for keeping touch. Wish you all the best in the new year. Jiny -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Nasty creatures
Someone wrote: >If I see nasty creatures that came out of me, I'll be writing from the mental institution next time! < I've been so busy for weeks now fighting Lyme disease in a family member, that I haven't had time to keep up with this forum, but this caught my eye. Some of you will know that I've been around these forums for a long time and have experienced remarkable recoveries, but nothing prepared me for what I'm going to tell you now (A few here already know about this). I started doing the Salt & Vitamin C protocol over a month ago to be in solidarity with my family member. Within a few days, a freaking worm came out of my tongue. I can scarcely describe the revulsion, but the comment above comes pretty dang close! It appears it was a nematode. This creature and this happening are described at Lymephotos.com. Parasites are for real, people. I am now a believer. The ironic thing is that I never gave much credence to parasite infestations before. Now I'm a bit more educated. I could have gotten this thing in larval form from eating a salad. Nematode larva can burrow into any part of your body. Daddybob -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>best 'green' food powder?/
Well, that certainly depends where you are in the world. In the US, these products are available in most healthfood shops and many online retailers. Cyanotech Hawaiian Spirulina Pacifica and Earthrise Spirulina can also be ordered online directly from the producers. http://www.nutrex-hawaii.com/ http://www.earthrise.com/home.asp Yaeyama Chlorella is imported to the US and distributed under different brands and is available retail and online. But they should clearly state it is Yaeyama on the label, otherwise it is not the same chlorella. You can do a google search to locate the best prices. But I believe that Now Foods are the largest brand offering Yaeyama at very good prices. The best AFA Blue Green Algae is currently harvested and processed by Vision Inc. and is available at http://www.e3live.com Jeanne wrote: SO WE NOW HAVE ALL THIS INFO BUT HOW AND WHERE DO WE ORDER THIS? IS THERE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN BUY IT? I CAN FIND NO INFO ON THAT. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.
CS>Re: parasites
Hi Betsy, The sharp edges on the DE will not harm mammals' or birds' internal systems - food grade is quite safe to eat. 90 days would do well to get out any parasites in your digestive track. But, as someone else asked about, it probably won't get any parasites that have gone systemic, so my personal approach would be to use an herbal formula for at least 3 weeks during the period you're using DE. Judith >>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:08:54 -0800 (PST) >>From: Betsy Coffey >>Would a 90 day dose of DE do it then? So many web >>sites advising about parasites make it so difficult to >>get rid of them.They adivse you to repeat when the >>eggs hatch and then they claimm that it must >>constantly be repeated because parasites adapt and >>will keep comming back. I also think that many of the >>herbal parasite formulas seem very harsh. Does the >>sharp quality of the DE harm humans and pets like it >>does the insects or is the food grade different in >>that respect?
CS>re: diatomaceous earth
Bill, >> Mine was always purchased at the feed store for about $10/8 pounds. >> >>However I have never seen it marked as Food Grade and so I don't worry >> >>about that issue. It may actually be food grade and you've simply never noticed the label. The feed stores and nurseries don't put big signs out -- there's just a small label on the bag that says "food codex grade" >> I'm sure that if they had to get it certified as Food Grade the price is >>considerably more just as it is with hydorgen peroxide Food Grade. That's a pretty big assumption on your part, especially since I just told you that I get food-grade DE for $8 for a 20 lb bag. You have absolutely no basis for throwing around the kind of numbers you did in a previous post (where you said $1.50 per oz) I appreciate your perspective, but perhaps you could try to reconsider the assumptions you've been defending so hard over the last couple of days on this list Judith
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
The Perma-Guard was sold to me to be used to mix with wheat for storage. The information that came with it said that the owner of the company had it tested for minerals, and gave the the mineral content; it also said he takes it every day as a mineral supplement. Are you saying that Perma-Guard is not safe for for internal consumption? Jill
Re: CS>silver plating on non-silver cathodes was Re: CS>tap water CS
If most of the silver is going into plating the cathode isn't that wasting a lot? Each of these units would probably benefit from having a CLD installed in one leg. Then there should be insufficient current to create the plating and so save the silver for CS'ing. Bill Keen Marshall Dudley wrote: sol wrote: > But if the cathode is rapidly plated silver, isn't this really not a > concern? Or maybe run a couple batches to get the cathode well plated, > and use the first CS batches for cleaning, or watering plants or the like?
Re: CS>silver plating on non-silver cathodes was Re: CS>tap water CS
If most of the silver is going into plating the cathode isn't that wasting a lot? Each of these units would probably benefit from having a CLD installed in one leg. Then there should be insufficient current to create the plating and so save the silver for CS'ing. Bill Keen Marshall Dudley wrote: sol wrote: > But if the cathode is rapidly plated silver, isn't this really not a > concern? Or maybe run a couple batches to get the cathode well plated, > and use the first CS batches for cleaning, or watering plants or the like?
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
thank you JBBdebbie "Jonathan B. Britten" wrote: Try this information: For basic information on EM as well as it's uses in human and animal health, please see the EM Information website, at: http://www.eminfo.info For more advanced information on EM products for human use, please see the Antiox Brew website, at: http://www.antioxbrew.com To send a post to the list, please send an e-mail to em-hea...@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EM-health/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: em-health-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Best, JBB On Thursday, Jan 5, 2006, at 14:34 Asia/Tokyo, Deborah Gerard wrote: > I googled his name on Yahoo and there are about four site's that came > up is there one in particular that is better than the other's? thanks > deb > > "Jonathan B. Britten" wrote: > > Sol, > > I agree with you wholeheartedly about this, and I am thus keenly > interested in probiotics as a means of sustaining health over the long > term. I can recommend two great books: Earth Saving Revolution Vols. > 1 and 2, by Terao Higa, PhD. Both focus on microorganisms and their > applications in agriculture, health, and industry. The English > translations are superb. > > There is a Yahoo list devoted to the use of home-brew probiotics for > human health. It is worth reading. The moderator is Vinny Pinto: > Google his name and you will find his sites. > > > JBB > > > > On Thursday, Jan! 5, 2006, at 04:43 Asia/Tokyo, sol wrote: > > > We all have parasites all the time. Some you can get rid of > > permanently, some only temporarily. But others like the mites that > > live in the follicles of your eyelashes are impossible to eradicate. > > > > However gross, I think we have forgotten that until just the last > > couple of hundred years at the most, humans lived infested from birth > > to death. These parasites evolved right along with us after all, and > > they are very good at surviving. > > In addition many parasites (even some intestinal worms) provide > > benefits, such as reduced allergies. There are some "out there" > > scientists and physicians who think a lot of the current epidemic of > > allergies is due to the fact humans in developed countries don't have > > tapeworms anymore. We live surrounded by a world of bacteria, > viruses, > > fungi, plus all the multicelled parasites. And I am certai! nly not > > willing to give up the joy and wonder of living with household pets > > because they might give me worms, of course, I luckily live where > > household pets almost never have fleas, don't get heartworm, seldom > > get tapeworms, etc because of the very long, very cold winters. It is > > one of the consolations. LOL. > > > > While I'm not ready to drink a glass of tapeworm eggs, or tolerate > > head lice or body lice, I am really trying to not be so upset by the > > fact I'm part of the web of life, not separate from it. I'm not there > > yet, but I'm trying to chill out about those eyelash > > mites. > > sol > > > > Pat wrote: > > > >> To me, nothing is grosser than the thought of having parasites! A > >> roundworm 1/2 out of my puppy sent me to the couch standing and > >> screaming while my husband took care of it. I did manage to pick up > >> a squirming tapewor! m segment my puppy left on the dining room > floor, > >> and took her to the vet for a worming the next day. Sooo, I'm > >> thinking of trying a parasite cleanse I saw online. > >> http://onelifeusa.com/health_news/CleanseKit.htm Does that work? > >> Am I right in thinking that colloidal silver will kill parasite eggs > >> but not adults? How much would I have to take to do that? If I see > >> nasty creatures that came out of me, I'll be writing from the mental > >> institution next time! > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Terry...thank you so much and send me the info file if you would too :) debbie Terry Chamberlin wrote: Debbie said, "how do you know how much to take and is there a die-off to deal with? this is a whole new thing to me." The following is an excerpt from a website discussing DE. It covers the basics, including human use. There is more info about pet, garden and livestock use on this website that is very good. I buy DE from a local nursery very cheaply. "Food grade diatomaceous earth has many uses. The information below will tell you some of the differences in grades of diatomaceous earth, along with information on how to use food grade diatomaceous earth. "Natural Diatomaceous Earth (DE) is the remains of microscopic one-celled plants (phytoplankton) called diatoms that lived in the oceans and lakes that once covered the western part of the US and other parts of the world. These deposits are mined from underwater beds or from ancient dried lake bottoms. "Diatomaceous earth is mined, milled, and processed into a myriad of types for a large variety of uses. Filtering and filler are two main uses but diatomaceous earth also ends up in paints, cosmetics, drugs, chemical insecticides, etc. Because the milling produces different sized and shaped particles, it is important not to use the filtering type for agricultural purposes. "Pool filter grade diatomaceous earth has been heat and chemically treated and will poison an animal or human who ingests it, so it is always of utmost importance to only obtain food grade diatomaceous earth to use in and around your household. "Food grade diatomaceous earth is EPA approved to be mixed with grains to control mealworms and other pests and has been exempted from tolerance requirements as an inert, inactive ingredient in chemical pesticides. Diatomaceous earth is EPA approved against indoor and outdoor crawling insects. Diatomaceous earth is USDA approved as an anti-caking agent for animal feed. Diatomaceous earth is FDA approved for internal and external use and has a rating of Food Chemical Codex Grade. "INTERNAL PARASITE CONTROL: Food grade diatomaceous earth makes a very effective natural insecticide. The insecticidal quality of diatomaceous earth is due to the razor sharp edges of the diatom remains. When diatomaceous earth comes in contact with the insects, the sharp edges lacerate the bugs waxy exoskeleton and then the powdery diatomaceous earth absorbs the body fluids causing death from dehydration. "Food grade diatomaceous earth has been used for at least two decades as a natural wormer for livestock. Some believe diatomaceous earth scratches and dehydrates parasites. Some scientists believe that diatomaceous earth is a de-ionizer or de-energizer of worms or parasites. Regardless, people report definite control. To be most effective, food grade diatomaceous earth must be fed long enough to catch all newly hatching eggs or cycling of the worms through the lungs and back to the stomach. A minimum of 60 days is suggested by many, 90 days is advised for lungworms. "Food grade diatomaceous earth works in a purely physical/mechanical manner, not chemical and thus has no chemical toxicity. Best yet, parasites dont build up a tolerance/immunity to its chemical reaction, so rotation of wormers unnecessary. "Daily recommended food grade diatomaceous earth feeding rates: Kittens - 1/2 teaspoon Cats - 1 teaspoon Puppies - 1/2 to 1 tsp. Dogs under 35 lbs. - 1 teaspoon Dogs over 35 lbs. - 1 tablespoon Dogs over 100 lbs. - 2 tablespoons Cattle, Dairy Cows, & Hogs - 2% of dry feed ration Chickens - 5% in feed Goats & Sheep - 1% in grain Horses - 1/2-1 cup in daily ration *Humans - 1 heaping tablespoon daily "*Some recommend to dose humans by mixing food grade diatomaceous earth in a glass of water before bed or first thing in the morning, well before breakfast, to allow diatomaceous earth time to move through and absorb toxins from ones digestive tract without interfering or absorbing nutrients from foods or liquids. Some report great results consuming 1 tsp. in a glass of water prior to each meal, 3x/day." http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/defaq.html I personally stir a teaspoon of DE into 3 or 4 oz of water or juice and glug it down. It has almost no taste, and does not upset my stomach. I have found various Naturopathic doctors who recommend from one tspn per day to one tspn per meal. Since it is not toxic, you don't need to be paranoid about how much to use, but a tspn before each meal seems to be entirely adequate to do the job. The info file I send to whoever requests it contains further info about DE. Terry Chamberlin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address you
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
how small of a parasite would this be affective on and isn't there any danger of tearing the lining of the stomach or inestines? thanks debbie Pat wrote:I don't mind mites and small bugs, just can't stand wormy things hehehe I was thinking...the diatomaceous earth sounds wonderful and very useful, but to rid the body of parasites that might not be in the intestines, you'd have to use the herbal combo wouldn't you? Pat - Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
Re: CS>silver plating on non-silver cathodes was Re: CS>tap water CS
If most of the silver is going into plating the cathode isn't that wasting a lot? Each of these units would probably benefit from having a CLD installed in one leg. Then there should be insufficient current to create the plating and so save the silver for CS'ing. Bill Keen Marshall Dudley wrote: sol wrote: > But if the cathode is rapidly plated silver, isn't this really not a > concern? Or maybe run a couple batches to get the cathode well plated, > and use the first CS batches for cleaning, or watering plants or the like?
Re: CS>silver plating on non-silver cathodes was Re: CS>tap water CS
If most of the silver is going into plating the cathode isn't that wasting a lot? Each of these units would probably benefit from having a CLD installed in one leg. Then there should be insufficient current to create the plating and so save the silver for CS'ing. Bill Keen Marshall Dudley wrote: sol wrote: > But if the cathode is rapidly plated silver, isn't this really not a > concern? Or maybe run a couple batches to get the cathode well plated, > and use the first CS batches for cleaning, or watering plants or the like?
Re: CS>silver plating on non-silver cathodes was Re: CS>tap water CS
If most of the silver is going into plating the cathode isn't that wasting a lot? Each of these units would probably benefit from having a CLD installed in one leg. Then there should be insufficient current to create the plating and so save the silver for CS'ing. Bill Keen Marshall Dudley wrote: sol wrote: > But if the cathode is rapidly plated silver, isn't this really not a > concern? Or maybe run a couple batches to get the cathode well plated, > and use the first CS batches for cleaning, or watering plants or the like?
Re: CS>distiller questions, was Re: CS>Unidentified subject!
I have a cheap 1 Gallon water distiller and find it works best if do not fill it up. I distill about 3 quarts at a time. Bob
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Marshall Dudley, I have been reading and appreciate your post, however, the Pool Filter DE is the different type and is saltwater sourced and does have the silica crystals which are heated to create the larger clumps apparently to enhance the filtration process. The Perma-Guard that you list as a source is mixed and not suitable for ingestion by people. All that I have purchased in the past has just been labeled as Diatomaceous Earth with no use specified. It has worked GREAT for pest control of all kinds. Bill Keen Marshall Dudley wrote: Bill Keen wrote: Terry, Check your facts. There are no crystals in DE. It is a naturally occurring calceous product of organic origin and is not processed. No, DE contains crystalline silica. If it didn't then it would not work, it is the source of the sharp crystals that kill the
Re: CS>Re: Diatomaceous earth - safety and cost
Judith, I just went to the links posted here to get the price. Mine was always purchased at the feed store for about $10/8 pounds. However I have never seen it marked as Food Grade and so I don't worry about that issue. I'm sure that if they had to get it certified as Food Grade the price is considerably more just as it is with hydorgen peroxide Food Grade. Bill Keen jmcge...@att.net wrote: I've used DE for years, and strongly urge folks to get food-grade DE if they plan to use it for themselves or their animals. Besides heat, the pool stuff is sometimes treated with chemicals that can be toxic. These would not be visible! While some pool stuff may be safe, why take the chance of poisoning yourself? You can get food-grade DE pretty cheap if you buy it at organic nurseries. We get it for about $8 for a 20-lb bag, buying directly from a large supplier in multi-bag quantities. You should be able to find it for under $20 per bag at your local nursery. And 20 lbs of DE goes a long way :) Bill, if DE is mixed with grain, the law requires that it must be food grade. And I am completely confused about where you got the price of $1.50/oz. I get food-grade DE at about 2 cents/oz. Judith
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2006 #13
Sol: Please explain how having a tape worm can have benefits, such as reduced allergies. I always thought it was the other way around. Nick
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
WARNING ! ! ! ! I just checked this site and the Perma-Guard ISN'T FOOD GRADE DE! IT is mixed and CANNOT be taken internally! This is an insecticide sold under the Trade Name. It is purportedly natural and not chemical. They make no claim for Food Grade. From the site: "Perma-Guard kills by physical action, not chemical--by puncturing the insects exoskeleton and absorbing its body fluids, thus posing no harm to warm-blooded life. The addition of Pyrethrum and Piperonyl butoxide is to irritate the bug, causing physical action, allowing the DE to work more quickly. Birds who eat bugs get 14 extra trace minerals. " Bill Keen cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Jill, Thanks for the report on your success' with DE. A most interesting read! The blower is a great idea. I normally use DE around the foundation to keep ants out of the house, and using your method, it would be much quicker and easier.
Re: CS>tap water CS
Caution if fine. However, I will go out on a limb by saying that the hydroxide will not combine with the copper or brass material of the cathode. I believe that the negative charge on the cathode would work to repel the negatively charged hydroxide ion and that therefore they would not be able to combine. Perhaps, if the voltage was turned off and the electrodes were left in the solution then undesirable materials would be made by the hydroxide combining with the base metals of the cathode. Dan >>> Marshall Dudley 1/5/2006 10:21:45 AM >>> Dan Nave wrote: > Perhaps "Ole Bob" will answer this but in the meantime I'll chime in > with what I've learned here... > > The metals will come off the positive electrode (anode) which, in this > case, is the silver one. The brass is the negative electrode so it is > not going to be releasing metal ions or particles into the water. With > this DC system we should get the good quality "colloidal silver" that we > expect. > > Dan The hydroxide radical is released at the cathode. The hydroxide radical is very reactive and will almost certainly react with the copper and zinc in the brass producing copper hydroxide, zinc hydroxide and/or copper oxide and zinc oxide. The only metals I know that can be safely be used on the cathode are noble metals, maybe chrome, and high chrome stainless steel. The crome forms a non-soluble conductive barrier on the steel surface when it oxidized preventing further oxidization. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Jill, Thanks for the report on your success' with DE. A most interesting read! The blower is a great idea. I normally use DE around the foundation to keep ants out of the house, and using your method, it would be much quicker and easier. Chuck To air is human, to sit back and snicker while everyone holds their nose is sadistic! On 1/5/2006 5:18:40 PM, grace1...@aol.com wrote: > Terry: > > I would very much appreciate having your file on further information about > diatomaceous earth. > > I had not known about the antiparasitic value of DE before these recent > posts! > > I have been using the food grade DE to store grains. I believe I mixed 1/2 > cup with a 5-gallon plastic pail of wheat kernels. Within a short time, I > could see various worms crawling out of the container, and any bugs inside > the mixture croaked! In addition to the DE, keeping the wheat away from > light, heat (around 65 degrees F. is good), moisture, and sealed in an > airtight container should store it indefinitely. Once a year I open the > can, pour the contents into a similar can, thus getting rid of the carbon > dioxide and providing fresh oxygen (or is it the other way around with > plants?). The wheat treated this way still sprouts after 7 years. I am > told that wheat found stored in the pyramids of Egypt still sprouts after 3, > 000 years. > > The brand of food-grade DE I bought (Perma-Guard) was subjected to testing > to discover the mineral content (sorry, I > don't have this information any more, but you could probably get it by > calling Major Surplus & Supply in Redondo Beach, or Hawthorne, California, > where I got it, and they may hav -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>More diatomaceous earth info
Terry, Here is a web site from New Jersey which has the OSHA warnings: http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/0616.pdf#search='diatomaceous%20earth%20manufacturers' Check out the 'Health Hazard Information'; under Acute Health Effects it says "This form of silica is considered a nuisance dust." Under Chronic it says that there is no evidence that it causes cancer in test animals. And, it hasn't been tested for anything else. The New Jersey page was taken from the OSHA. Even if it is 'clumped' they haven't found anything to prove that it can cause cancer, or any other problems. I tried to use the URL that you give and can't find anything on DE under any of the links. Bill Keen Terry Chamberlin wrote: Just a bit more info about food and other grades of DE:
CS>parasites
Would a 90 day dose of DE do it then? So many web sites advising about parasites make it so difficult to get rid of them.They adivse you to repeat when the eggs hatch and then they claimm that it must constantly be repeated because parasites adapt and will keep comming back. I also think that many of the herbal parasite formulas seem very harsh. Does the sharp quality of the DE harm humans and pets like it does the insects or is the food grade different in that respect? __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>bloodroot
Please use this herb with much caution. I know someone who burned themselves very badly with its use. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>tap water CS
Hi Ode, yeah you col/ud use a stainless steel bowl and make it teh negative electrode and have a single silver rod come down in the middle nad it wolud make fine CS Take care, V >Nothing comes off the cathode. > Everything plates 'to' the cathode, > Any conductive material can be used. > The brass will turn silver in just a few minutes. > Ode > At 08:02 AM 1/4/2006 -0800, you wrote: >>And you call this "colloidal SILVER"? Just what is brass made of? >>NOUN: >>* A yellowish alloy of copper and zinc, sometimes including small >> amounts of other metals, but usually 67 percent copper and 33 percent zinc. >>Now you are taking a mixture of silver, copper and zinc. NOT something >>that I would want to put into my body. >>Why didn't you just use 2 silver electrodes? THEN you would have CS that >>is safe to use. >>Bill Keen >>Robert Berger wrote: >>Greetings Jill, >>I enjoyed your post, because a group of my friends are going to take a >>cruise in the Caribbean, there has been a lot of illness associated with >>the! se cruises. So they might need a portable generator to take care of >>any problems. >>I made "generator" using one 9 volt battery with one 4 3/4", #12 silver >>anode and one 4 3/4", 3/32" brass cathode rod. I used the connector that I >>removed from an old 9 v battery, and soldered the electrodes in the holes. >>That makes 1/2" spacing of the electrodes. >>With 13 ounces of Kansas City water in a table glass and stirring for 2 >>minutes the silver content measured 12. PPM and the current averaged about >>36mA. (actual measure). >>The water took on a slight milky color due to the formation of silver >>chloride. It had no unusual taste. >>Now, I would like to know how much time you! used the 3- 9's, and what >>electrode length, spacing, and amount of water? >>"Ole Bob" >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12 - Release Date: 1/3/2006 -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>pantry moths to deb
I used to have a problem with these esp during the summer. My neighbor would get them also. We were told that they come in from the grains being stored before you buy them, The advice was to freeze all grains before putting them in the shelf when you get home. I do this with rice,flours, seeds etc and it has helped so much. Sometimes, I leave certain flours in the freezer all the time,provided I have room in my freezer. I think that freezing the flours kill any potential eggs that would hatch bugs. I also now put cloves of garlic in my kitchen shelves. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>2005 list volume report...
Same to you, Marshalee. Glad you're seeing some improvements. Thanks for letting us know about your results! That keeps our purpose here in focus, doesn't it! Be well, Mike D. Marshalee writes: > This is interesting, thanks for letting us know. You have a super New > Year, ya hear??!! BTW, that was quite a rant on the OT list! Whew! >Just wanted to let you and everyone else who posted about arthritis, > Niacin, and such, to know that my bod is feeling quite a bit better > since I learned about Niacin and Vitamin C for arthritis, and I tried > it! Next to try will be the CMO. I have a very arthritic new friend who > is also trying them as well as CS and she is feeling lots better, > too I just figgered out that it IS milk that makes me ache, so out > it goes. I`m glad I discovered almond milk, it tastes great and doesn`t > make me hurt. It is called "Almond Breeze" got it from my local health > food store. `Spensive, but worth it... Thanks for everything Mike, you > nice guy, you!!! Love, Marshalee PS, CS has helped my finches; since I > lost 3, I started putting some in their water, the rest are now doing > fine. Knock on wood... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
I don't mind mites and small bugs, just can't stand wormy things hehehe I was thinking...the diatomaceous earth sounds wonderful and very useful, but to rid the body of parasites that might not be in the intestines, you'd have to use the herbal combo wouldn't you? Pat - Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
Dear Debbie, That is so true!! I recently told my doctor that high blood pressure being caused by salt intake was an old wives` tale, and she looked at me like I was crazy!! I now just use her to order tests so I can find out what might be the problem. I think most of my problems are Food-in-Mouth Disease!!! Sugar addictions... Marshalee Pat a colonoscophy would not reveal parasite's because it takes a microscope to see most of themgo to a site like www.mercola.com and type in his search engine. Like I said earlier doc's generally don't know to look for fungus or yeast in the bowel they are trained to look only for certain things and you or I surely are not going to tell a doctor anything after all we have not been to medical school like they have so we do not know anything, according to themdebbie
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
Dear Pat, Just be awfully glad you can`t see the mites and other wee beasties that live on your skin, and in the beds and carpets!! If we didn`t have them, we would be drowning in dried skin flakes, now THAT is a yukky thought... :o) Marshalee To me, nothing is grosser than the thought of having parasites! A roundworm 1/2 out of my puppy sent me to the couch standing and screaming while my husband took care of it. I did manage to pick up a squirming tapeworm segment my puppy left on the dining room floor, and took her to the vet for a worming the next day. Sooo, I'm thinking of trying a parasite cleanse I saw online. http://onelifeusa.com/health_news/CleanseKit.htm Does that work? Am I right in thinking that colloidal silver will kill parasite eggs but not adults? How much would I have to take to do that? If I see nasty creatures that came out of me, I'll be writing from the mental institution next time! Pat
Re: CS>tap water CS
Ode and All, I keep forgetting that I am the only one using the HVAC and CAN'T use anything but silver for electrodes. The same seems to hold true for the Colloid Master as it switches polarity. It was the shock that someone would put something other than silver in to make CS. Sorry about that! [Way behind reading my mail] Bill Keen Ode Coyote wrote: Nothing comes off the cathode. Everything plates 'to' the cathode, Any conductive material can be used. The brass will turn silver in just a few minutes. Ode
Re: CS>2005 list volume report...
Hi, Mike, This is interesting, thanks for letting us know. You have a super New Year, ya hear??!! BTW, that was quite a rant on the OT list! Whew! Just wanted to let you and everyone else who posted about arthritis, Niacin, and such, to know that my bod is feeling quite a bit better since I learned about Niacin and Vitamin C for arthritis, and I tried it! Next to try will be the CMO. I have a very arthritic new friend who is also trying them as well as CS and she is feeling lots better, too I just figgered out that it IS milk that makes me ache, so out it goes. I`m glad I discovered almond milk, it tastes great and doesn`t make me hurt. It is called "Almond Breeze" got it from my local health food store. `Spensive, but worth it... Thanks for everything Mike, you nice guy, you!!! Love, Marshalee PS, CS has helped my finches; since I lost 3, I started putting some in their water, the rest are now doing fine. Knock on wood... > Hi gang! > > If it's any interest to y'all, I just closed out my 2005 archive of > list posts. The total number of messages I see is 10070, or an average > of about 28 per day... > > This is down about 10% from last year, and a lot lower than the 14000- > some posts per year at the peak back about 2001, I think. > > The list membership hovers at just over 600, as it has for at least a > year now. There were only 113 when I inherited the list from Gary > Hawkins back in early 1998. > > I've normally run the list a bit looser on subject control than some > folks want it, admitting that the inevitable stream of "What can I do > for..." -type questions are, in fact, an important part of what we do. > > This comes at a price for those on dial-up connections, and for people > who are on short rations time and energy-wise due to illness or coping > with the illness of a loved-one. > > So, please observe the list rules and etiquette so that you will > enforce on yourselves the discipline that will keep the list in the > best shape possible: > > Naturally, any CS related topic is fine. > > Any questions about health related issues are fine and may be answered, > whether the answer involves CS or not. > > Non-CS-related answers should be covered briefly, in just enough depth > to satisfy basic curiosity and point out essential resources so folks > may follow up on the topic themselves. > > Detailed or extended off-topic discussions should be taken to the Off > Topic List, private e-mail, or other forums. > > A reasonable amount of off-topic chatter, humor, friendly asides, etc., > is okay, so long as you are considerate and keep it to a low level. > > You should turn off fancy text formatting and graphics and delete as > much of the text you are responding to as you can and still leave a > hint of the context of your reply. > > Minimize one-liner replies like "Thank you" and "Me too!" Wait 'til > multiple replies arrive and thank everyone at once. Send requests for > things people offer directly to their private e-mail address rather > than to the entire list... and so on. > > These are thoughtful things we all can do to cut down on traffic and > keep things reasonably focused. > > I'm pretty satisfied with the volume and tone of our conversations, > most of the time. I will step in to bring things into line, but > understand that it is you, as individuals, who can best moderate your > own activity. > > I like the people in this group. I'm glad you're all a part of my life. > > I wish you well in this new year. May 2006 be good to each of us. > > Mike D. > List owner dude! > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Good luck with your houseplants. I haven't tried it on plants yet myself.
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
I got a "blower" device (long tube to load with DE, and blow on the other end) from Major Surplus & Supply in Redondo Beach, or Hawthorne, California. The purpose is to spread a thin power on whatever you want to protect. I wouldn't know how to use it on my garden otherwise.
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
In a message dated 1/5/06 10:25:24 AM Central Standard Time, grace1...@aol.com writes: > I think I'll try blowing it on my garden next spring. Meant to ask -- how would you go about *blowing* it on? MA
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
In a message dated 1/5/06 10:25:24 AM Central Standard Time, grace1...@aol.com writes: > I think I'll try blowing it on my garden next spring. Wonder if this would work on the aphids that are devouring my Hibiscus plant, brought indoors for the winter? I have sprayed them with everything that I can think of -- they continue to thrive and replicate. I'm ready to give up and throw the plant away. Hate to do that. MA
Re: CS>silver plating on non-silver cathodes was Re: CS>tap water CS
sol wrote: > But if the cathode is rapidly plated silver, isn't this really not a > concern? Or maybe run a couple batches to get the cathode well plated, > and use the first CS batches for cleaning, or watering plants or the like? > > Or are you saying that the copper hydroxide, copper oxide, or whatever, > would still be formed and released even after the cathode is well plated > with silver? > sol If the cathode gets plated by silver, then there would probably be no harm. I am simply saying we should be cautious unless someone wants to run some tests to find out for sure what happens. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
Bill Keen wrote: > Thanks V, That's what I paid for the 8 lb bag at the feed store. I > haven't seen any evidence of anything wrong after using the fs source > so I'll continue using it > > > Why do you think there would be anything wrong with it? They would be > selling food grade, not the swimming pool stuff. > > > I don't mind giving some away for flea powder to my neighbors that way > and it certainly hasn't hurt my dogs and cats. THis is the first that > I've even heard of food grade DE. One of the reference sites says that > if you have eaten anything made with wheat flour you have eaten DE. > Apparently because it is used an an insecticide in the grain storage > facilities. At $1.50/oz I seriously doubt that they are using food > grade for a silo of grain. > > Where did you get that absurd price? Food grade DE sells for about > $2.50 a pound, not $1.50 and ounce. > http://www.gardenharvestsupply.com/de_permaguard.aspx so adding about > .1% of that to a pound of flour would only cost about .2 cents. > > Marshall > > I'm going to have to read a lot more to find out just when/where/why > the DE is heated and how much. > > Thanks, Bill Keen > > V wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I got food grade DE here at this site. > > http://store.yahoo.com/herbal-remedies-usa/diead6oz.html > > > >
Re: CS>best 'green' food powder?/
SO WE NOW HAVE ALL THIS INFO BUT HOW AND WHERE DO WE ORDER THIS? IS THERE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN BUY IT? I CAN FIND NO INFO ON THAT. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? - Original Message - From: Ole Alstrup To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: CS>best 'green' food powder?/ Earthwise Organic is certainly no match for Cyanotech Organic. Yaeyama is the king of Chlorella, Taiwan may be acceptable to some, but just compare the two of them... http://www.ybsweb.co.jp/exhf1com.html I never heard of wild harvested Spirulina being sold commercially? epa...@sympatico.ca wrote: actually the best Chlorella is produced in Tiawan..Japan is a very industrialized nation and because of this it's high polution makes it a very great challenge to produce adequate quanities to support the demand; due to effective marketing it is most recognized. Because of the high population density and demand of Chlorella, Japan buys alot! of it's surplus from Taiwan, a known fact. Hawain does claim to be the best Spirulina, but Earthwise organic is just as good. Not all Spirulina is grown in the wild. Wild spirulina is something to be vary of because it can contain toxins from the pond that it's grown wild in. There have been cases of people getting sick from taking wild Spirulina. Ernie >From: Ole Alstrup >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS>best 'green' food powder?/ >Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:06:55 + (GMT) > >Different species of algae with somewhat different nutrient profiles. >People experience different effects from them. Chlorella is a green algae. >Spirulina is a blue green algae and is sometimes confused with Blue Green >Algae (Aphanizomenon flos-aquae aka AFA) which is harvested in the wild >from Lake Klamath in Oregon. Compared with s! pirulina, AFA has some unique >rejuvenating energetic effects on the brain and nervous system, presumably >because it contains certain neuropeptide amino acid combinations. > > Best Spirulina is Hawaiian Spirulina Pacifica cultivated by Cyanotech >Corp. > > Best Chlorella is Yaeyama Chlorella which is cultivated in Japan > > Best AFA is E3Live processed by Vision Inc . > >mborg...@att.net wrote: > I read the report, what is the differance between blue green >algae(whole food) and chlorella and spirulina > > > >- >Yahoo! Photos - NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a >photo. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Of! f-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now --
CS>silver plating on non-silver cathodes was Re: CS>tap water CS
But if the cathode is rapidly plated silver, isn't this really not a concern? Or maybe run a couple batches to get the cathode well plated, and use the first CS batches for cleaning, or watering plants or the like? Or are you saying that the copper hydroxide, copper oxide, or whatever, would still be formed and released even after the cathode is well plated with silver? sol Marshall Dudley wrote: The hydroxide radical is released at the cathode. The hydroxide radical is very reactive and will almost certainly react with the copper and zinc in the brass producing copper hydroxide, zinc hydroxide and/or copper oxide and zinc oxide. The only metals I know that can be safely be used on the cathode are noble metals, maybe chrome, and high chrome stainless steel. The crome forms a non-soluble conductive barrier on the steel surface when it oxidized preventing further oxidization. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Colloid master, vs Silverpuppy, was Re: CS>Where to bye a machine I ca...
In a message dated 1/4/06 2:10:13 PM Central Standard Time, sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes: > Many Colloid Master owners seem happy with their generators, but I myself > don't think I would have liked it. just my two cents, which I wanted to add, > as many people believe the Silverpuppy is more expensive, and I don't think > it > is, once you add in the additional costs to the Colloid Master. I have a Colloid Master and haven't found it necessary to add any stirring device. Makes fine CS with a minimum of time, space or bother. FWIW. MA
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Bill Keen wrote: > Mr. Devour, You made this statement: "You claim to have observed > material with similar packaging and gross > physical characteristics being sold for both purposes, and are urging > our members on the basis of that casual impression to ignore an > industry-wide safety standard." At no time have I made this claim. I > have not "observed material with similar packaging and gross physical > characteristics being sold for both purposes". What I stated was that > I had checked the packaging and found no differences between that sold > in the feed stores as plain DE and that sold for 3 to 10 times the > price sold packaged and sold as Pool Filter medium. That is what I > plainly stated. > > What the heck does checking the packaging do for you? You have to > check the contents, the packaging is irrelevent. It is the contents > that are important. > You then claim that it is an "industry-wide safety standard" AFTER > you had previously written "Everywhere I have seen diatomaceou! s > earth's use for animal or human > consumption discussed, we are strongly warned to avoid the swimming > pool filter type because it may be processed with heat " which NEVER > mentions ANY industry standards just more rumors. As with most of the > simple remedies the word "may" is acted upon as GOSPEL TRUTH by those > who do not know any better. > Let see, just because the swimming pool stuff MAY be harmful, and you > are not 100% assured that it is harmful in all cases or all brands, > you think it is ok to go ahead and use it without any additional > determination if what you actually have is harmful or not? It is a > wonder you are still alive. Do you go out and eat any mushrooms you > find because they are only possibly poisonous? > It would certainly seem appropriate to ban me from this list as I > will continue to attempt to educate those who do not know how to check > for themselves. > > Actually the opposite appears to be the case. > > Since I don't lie, most people do not realize that what I say is > literally the truth without prevarication. As the owner, you have > chosen to lie about what I have said so as to prejudice the group > against my information. This is your choice and since it is your > 'private property' to do with as you like, feel free. > > I saw nothing that Mike said that did not follow logically from what > you wrote. If he made any assumptions which you feel were incorrect, > be advised that I made the same assumptions from what you wrote > myself. > > Marshall > > I was learning some here, as with all the groups th! at I monitor, > but it isn't worth the hassle when this happens. Good bye and Best > Wishes,Bill Keen > > > "M. G. Devour" wrote: > > Bill Keen, > > Everywhere I have seen diatomaceous earth's use for animal > or human > consumption discussed, we are strongly warned to avoid the > swimming > pool filter type because it may be processed with heat that > significantly alters its chemical and physical properties, > making it > vastly more dangerous if accidentally inhaled. > > You claim to have observed material with similar packaging > and gross > physical characteristics being sold for both purposes, and > are urging > our members on the basis of that casual impression to ignore > an > industry-wide safety standard. > > Lacking microscopic and chemical analysis th! at proves that > swimming > pool filter grade diatomaceous earth is IN EVERY CASE > indistinguishable > from food grade in terms of percentage of free silica > content and > freedom from other contaminants, I believe it would be > prudent for our > members to refrain from using swimming pool grade DE. > > If you do discover such information and wish to share it > with us, > please do so, as we would be interested. > > Be well, > > Mike Devour > silver-list owner > > Bill Keen wrote: > > Terry, > > > > Check your facts. There are no crystals in DE. It is a > naturally > > occurring calceous product of organic origin and is not > processed. > > > > Just where did you get the info that you are supporting? > Have you > > done ANY research for yourself or have you just listened > to the > > nonsense some self-proclaimed 'experts' have given you? > > > > I have never found 'Food Grade' and therefore never used > it. A > > natural substan! ce, ground up and bagged, had no serious > contaminants. > > You appear to be a 'sheeple' who believes that the Feds > have all the > > answers to your problems. That is what "food grade' really > is - a > > federal scam. > > > > I have never paid the exhorbitant sums they ask for the > pool filter > > DE but I have checked the bags/boxes and they are the same > as the feed > >
CS>Diatomaceous earth
Does anyone here use DE to combat pantry moths at home in your organic seeds and flours etc.? How much would you add to, say, five pounds of flour after transfering it to a jar? Thanks, DByron -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>(Fwd) Popular Over-the-Counter Drug Causes Deadly Infections
--- Forwarded message follows --- Second Opinion Health Alert *** January 4, 2006 *** CAN THIS VEGETABLE FAT RID YOU OF JOINT PAIN AND RE-BUILD YOUR CARTILAGE? 7 international studies say YES. What it is and where to get it. If you suffer from pain and inflammation in your joints, then youve probably tried glucosamine and chondroitin, the popular remedies that decrease pain and inflammation and even re-generate cartilage. But as good as these two nutrients are, theyre often not enough. Read more: http://www.healthyresolve.com/joints *** Popular Over-the-Counter Drug Causes Deadly Infections Researchers have discovered that a popular over-the-counter drug can make you more susceptible to a deadly infection. Heres the story: For years, doctors knew that a deadly bacterium called Colstridium difficile was caused by antibiotics and hospital stays. Antibiotics, as you may know, dont just kill bad bacteria. They also can rid your gut of good and protective germs. Then, when the bad bacteria return, they can run amok with little to slow it down. And hospitals offer a highly contagious environment for the bugs to pass from one person to another. But in recent years, doctors have noticed an increase in both the number and severity of clostridium infections. And the new cases were in people who had not taken antibiotics or stayed in a hospital. The doctors were baffled. Then researchers began to question the role certain drugs played in the infections. What they discovered is big news for the millions of people who use antacids for heartburn, indigestion, and ulcers. They found that many antacids are at least partly responsible for the new cases of infection! Thats right. Antacid use is associated with a higher risk of getting this infection. Proton pump inhibitors, such as Nexium and Losec, seem to be the worst, tripling your chances. The older H2 receptor antagonists, such as Tagemet and Cimetidine, appear to double your risk. Acid is in your stomach for a reason. In addition to helping you digest proteins, it also serves as your first line of defense against organisms that you swallow every day, regardless of how clean your food may be. Your stomach acid kills these bugs quickly. So the lower your acid level is, the more likely these bugs are to survive. Aside from the increased risk of infection, use of these antacids can also decrease your mineral absorption and interfere with your white blood cells ability to kill invaders. And decreasing your stomach acid allows undigested protein to make its way down into your lower intestine where your normal bacteria can putrefy it into some nasty compounds. Trust me, you dont want this stuff in your intestine. If you have indigestion, dont rush to pop an antacid. First of all, the problem might not even be an excess of acid, it might be a deficiency. So while you might feel better with the pill, you could be making the problem worse! Second, if you really do have excess acid, the best way to treat it is by using aloe, ginger, comfrey, and DGL (deglycyrrhizinated licorice). You can find all of these herbs at your local health food store. Finally, your indigestion also might not have anything to do with your stomach acid level. It could be a deficiency of pancreatic enzymes. Try any of a large number of proteolytic enzymes. One of my favorites is OmegaZym. You can find these at many quality health food stores. If an ulcer causes your discomfort, Ill have an e-alert devoted to treating these in the coming weeks. Stay tuned. Yours for better health and medical freedom, Robert Jay Rowen, MD Ref: Journal of the American Medical Association December 21, 2005. ** Second Opinion Health Alerts are a free e-mail service from the Second Opinion health newsletter written by Robert J. Rowen, MD. Copyright © 2005 Soundview Communications, Inc. We have a strict anti-spam policy! We know how important your privacy is to you. That's why we'll never share your email address with anyone. If someone forwarded you this email, and you'd like to receive your own free Health Alerts, please sign up on our website: http://www.secondopinionnewsletter.com To contact us: Second Opinion P.O. Box 467939 Atlanta, GA 31146 800-728-2288 770-399-5617 feedb...@secondopinionnewsletter.com To unsubscribe from future mailings, use this link: http://secondopinionnewsletter.com/nonsubscriber-leave.php * --- End of forwarded message --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic message
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
I can't explain it but I can direct you to the links where I read about it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2040756.stm http://www.emmessar.com/colostrum/0/A/Research/p1.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3287733.stm HTH, sol Nenah Sylver wrote: - Original Message - From: "sol" In addition many parasites (even some intestinal worms) provide benefits, such as reduced allergies. There are some "out there" scientists and physicians who think a lot of the current epidemic of allergies is due to the fact humans in developed countries don't have tapeworms anymore. Sol, Could you please explain the mechanism of how having worms could help reduce allergies. It seems as though it would be just the opposite--that the toxins excreted by parasites and other worms could overwhelm the body's immune function and ability to manage waste. Thanks. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Diatomaceous earth - safety and cost
I've used DE for years, and strongly urge folks to get food-grade DE if they plan to use it for themselves or their animals. Besides heat, the pool stuff is sometimes treated with chemicals that can be toxic. These would not be visible! While some pool stuff may be safe, why take the chance of poisoning yourself? You can get food-grade DE pretty cheap if you buy it at organic nurseries. We get it for about $8 for a 20-lb bag, buying directly from a large supplier in multi-bag quantities. You should be able to find it for under $20 per bag at your local nursery. And 20 lbs of DE goes a long way :) Bill, if DE is mixed with grain, the law requires that it must be food grade. And I am completely confused about where you got the price of $1.50/oz. I get food-grade DE at about 2 cents/oz. Judith -- Original message from silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com: -- One of the reference sites says that if you have eaten anything made with wheat flour you have eaten DE. Apparently because it is used an an insecticide in the grain storage facilities. At $1.50/oz I seriously doubt that they are using food grade for a silo of grain.
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Terry: I would very much appreciate having your file on further information about diatomaceous earth. I had not known about the antiparasitic value of DE before these recent posts! I have been using the food grade DE to store grains. I believe I mixed 1/2 cup with a 5-gallon plastic pail of wheat kernels. Within a short time, I could see various worms crawling out of the container, and any bugs inside the mixture croaked! In addition to the DE, keeping the wheat away from light, heat (around 65 degrees F. is good), moisture, and sealed in an airtight container should store it indefinitely. Once a year I open the can, pour the contents into a similar can, thus getting rid of the carbon dioxide and providing fresh oxygen (or is it the other way around with plants?). The wheat treated this way still sprouts after 7 years. I am told that wheat found stored in the pyramids of Egypt still sprouts after 3,000 years. The brand of food-grade DE I bought (Perma-Guard) was subjected to testing to discover the mineral content (sorry, I don't have this information any more, but you could probably get it by calling Major Surplus & Supply in Redondo Beach, or Hawthorne, California, where I got it, and they may have that information, or Google it) The company owner suggested one take 1/2 or 1 teaspoon a day (don't remember)--as a mineral supplement! If this is a good mineral supplement, it sure beats the price of those from the health food store. Another great use for the DE is as an insecticide. I spread it around the storage garage, where black widows 2" in diameter routinely "hang out." I don't want anything poisonous around the house, if I can help it, so this fits the bill. I did an experiment with putting one of these "house pets" in a glass jar with some DE. The jar was closed, but there were air holes punched in the lid. "Blackie" was found to have expired the next morning! I have mixed it into the wood pile, and now never bring in unwanted house guests! The white powder does make a mess on the carpet, however, but is easily vacuumed up. I have a tube blower contraption I used to blow the DE throughout the attic. I think I'll try blowing it on my garden next spring. The bugs eat almost everything except the tomatoes and peppers. Why feed them, instead of me? Jill P.S. It's wonderful to have all these great uses for something so cheap and harmless!
Re: CS>tap water CS
Dan Nave wrote: > Perhaps "Ole Bob" will answer this but in the meantime I'll chime in > with what I've learned here... > > The metals will come off the positive electrode (anode) which, in this > case, is the silver one. The brass is the negative electrode so it is > not going to be releasing metal ions or particles into the water. With > this DC system we should get the good quality "colloidal silver" that we > expect. > > Dan The hydroxide radical is released at the cathode. The hydroxide radical is very reactive and will almost certainly react with the copper and zinc in the brass producing copper hydroxide, zinc hydroxide and/or copper oxide and zinc oxide. The only metals I know that can be safely be used on the cathode are noble metals, maybe chrome, and high chrome stainless steel. The crome forms a non-soluble conductive barrier on the steel surface when it oxidized preventing further oxidization. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Bill Keen wrote: > Terry, Check your facts. There are no crystals in DE. It is a > naturally occurring calceous product of organic origin and is not > processed. > No, DE contains crystalline silica. If it didn't then it would not > work, it is the source of the sharp crystals that kill the parasites. > Just where did you get the info that you are supporting? Have you > done ANY research for yourself or have you just listened to the > nonsense some self-proclaimed 'experts' have given you? > > That information is available many places. For instance the page from > Walton feeds: http://waltonfeed.com/grain/faqs/ive.html > > IMPORTANT NOTE: There are actually two kinds of diatomaceous earth to > be found on the market and only one of them is suitable for use as an > insecticide to use in your stored grains. The kind that you DO NOT > WANT FOR FOOD USE is the type sold by swimming pool suppliers as a > filtering agent. DE to be used for filtering has been subjected to a > heat treatment that dramatically increases it's crystalline silicate > content and makes it unsuitable for use with your foodstuffs. The > diatomaceous earth that is needed for use in food storage has not been > heat treated and has a crystalline silica content of no more than > 1-1.5%. It is commonly sold in hardware and garden stores as an > "organic pesticide" and is available from a number of storage food > dealers. A number of these suppliers are listed in the Resources > section. > > and > > Good afternoon all. Diatomaceous earth is approved by the USDA as an > animal feed additive, however I have found out that there are vast > differences between various forms of diatomaceous earth. Some DE > products may not be effective in controlling insects, while others may > be harmful to humans and pets. The most important differences between > individual forms of DE is the shape of the diatom, content of > Crystalline Silica, and the purity of the Silica Dioxide. The World > Health Organization cautions that DE with a crystalline silica content > of three percent or higher is dangerous to humans, (and probably pets > and birds as well). Diatomaceous Earth used in swimming pool filters > has close to a 60% crystalline silica content. I know of a product > called Organic Solutions (insecticide) which is approved by both the > EPA and USDA and has a crystalline silica content ranging between > 0.36% to 1.12% according to its labels etc. It is classified as > Amorphous Fresh Water Diatomaceous Earth (whatever that means). > However, all literature I have read assures it is safe for both humans > and animals and seems to be very effective at killing insects. I have > never found 'Food Grade' and therefore never used it. A natural > substance, ground up and bagged, had no serious contaminants. > That is all I buy, it is available on many sites on the net, and at > feed stores. Check > http://www.gardenharvestsupply.com/de_permaguard.aspx > http://www.dirtworks.net/DiatomaceousEarth.html > > ttp://www.herbalremedies.com/diatomaceous.html?source=google&engine=adwords!32&keyword=%28diatomaceous+earth+food+grade%29&match_type= > > http://www.diatomaceous-earth.net/ > You appear to be a 'sheeple' who believes that the Feds have all the > answers to your problems. That is what "food grade' really is - a > federal scam. > > No, it means that it has not been heat processed, which destroys it's > abilities to kill parasites. Heat treating improves it's filtering > capability for swimming pool filters, but destroys it's ability to cut > up the parasites. It is not a scam, just the judicial choice of using > the proper tool for the appropriate job. I have never paid the > exhorbitant sums they ask for the pool filter DE but I have checked > the bags/boxes and they are the same as the feed store variety. > > I am confused, you say you have never used the pool filter variety, > and have never seen the food grade stuff above. But then you say that > you compared food grade stuff from the feed store with the pool filter > variety. Which is it, have you seen it or not? Plus if you don't use > the pool filter variety nor the food grade variety from the feed > store, then just what is it that you do use? > > Also how did you check them? What power microscope did you use? Can > you post pictures? There is no gurantee that the pool stuff you > checked has been heat treated, but since it can be, it is a gamble to > use it. Checking the label would of course be useless, since they do > not label any heat treatment it may have received. > > Those that have used the ! pool filter source have reported that > there were no clumps or anything else different from what I showed > them in my bag. > > I don't think the problem is that it has clumps. It must not be heat > treated which causes the sharp points on the silica crystals to > crumble and become ineffective or causes the amorphous silica to form > crystals increasing the amount to be above the safe lev
Re: CS>lupus to grace
An interesting observation. I don't know if she had candida as well as lupus. The woman certainly did have lupus before taking the CS and peau d'arco, but not afterwards, as verified by standard laboratory tests. There is no way to know if she had candida because she only frequents conventional doctors, being on disability and not being able to afford alternative medical treatment, supplements, etc., out of pocket. There were other posts on this list reporting two other cases of lupus which had responded to CS alone, in ten months, rather than the three in the case I reported, so perhaps your thesis is correct, and the peau d'arco made the difference.
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
- Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse In addition many parasites (even some intestinal worms) provide benefits, such as reduced allergies. There are some "out there" scientists and physicians who think a lot of the current epidemic of allergies is due to the fact humans in developed countries don't have tapeworms anymore. Sol, Could you please explain the mechanism of how having worms could help reduce allergies. It seems as though it would be just the opposite--that the toxins excreted by parasites and other worms could overwhelm the body's immune function and ability to manage waste. Thanks. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Niacin Acid reflux
To find information on acid reflux you have to look up Hiatal Hernia Tendency. This website http://www.joyfullivingservices.com/hiatalhernia.html has a self adjustment for the problem. Robert __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>tap water CS
Nothing comes off the cathode. Everything plates 'to' the cathode, Any conductive material can be used. The brass will turn silver in just a few minutes. Ode At 08:02 AM 1/4/2006 -0800, you wrote: And you call this "colloidal SILVER"? Just what is brass made of? NOUN: * A yellowish alloy of copper and zinc, sometimes including small amounts of other metals, but usually 67 percent copper and 33 percent zinc. Now you are taking a mixture of silver, copper and zinc. NOT something that I would want to put into my body. Why didn't you just use 2 silver electrodes? THEN you would have CS that is safe to use. Bill Keen Robert Berger wrote: Greetings Jill, I enjoyed your post, because a group of my friends are going to take a cruise in the Caribbean, there has been a lot of illness associated with the! se cruises. So they might need a portable generator to take care of any problems. I made "generator" using one 9 volt battery with one 4 3/4", #12 silver anode and one 4 3/4", 3/32" brass cathode rod. I used the connector that I removed from an old 9 v battery, and soldered the electrodes in the holes. That makes 1/2" spacing of the electrodes. With 13 ounces of Kansas City water in a table glass and stirring for 2 minutes the silver content measured 12. PPM and the current averaged about 36mA. (actual measure). The water took on a slight milky color due to the formation of silver chloride. It had no unusual taste. Now, I would like to know how much time you! used the 3- 9's, and what electrode length, spacing, and amount of water? "Ole Bob" No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12 - Release Date: 1/3/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>More diatomaceous earth info
Just a bit more info about food and other grades of DE: Make sure the DE you use is AMORPHOUS DIATOMACEOUS EARTH (ADE). In an article on DE in COMMON SENSE PEST CONTROL QUARTERLY, published by BIRC, Volume III, Number 1, Winter 1987, the matter of safety is explored. We quote: Both swimming pool grade and natural diatomaceous earth come from the same fossil sources but they are processed differently. The natural grades are mined, dried, ground, sled and bagged. The pool grade is chemically treated and partially melted and consequently contains crystalline silica which can be a respiratory hazard. Thus, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT ONLY NATURAL DIATOMACEOUS EARTH BE USED FOR INSECT CONTROL. This noncrystalline silica is not a hazard as the human body apparently can dissolve it. Silicosis refers to lung contamination and irritation by crystalline of free silica (Si02). Crystalline describes the orientation of the Si02 molecules which occur in a fixed pattern in contrast to the non periodic, random molecular arrangement defined as amorphous. Exposure to free silica is an occupational hazard to workers. Be sure you have the best quality. Make sure the DE you use meets World Health Organization (WHO) safety standards. WHO cautions that DE with a crystalline silica content over three percent (3%) is dangerous for ingestion by humans or animals. Food grade DE has less than 1% free silica. Swimming pool DE ranges from 60% to 70% free silica. http://www.safe2use.com/safe-products/diatomaceous/diatomaceous_Earth __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Diatomaceous earth
Debbie said, "how do you know how much to take and is there a die-off to deal with? this is a whole new thing to me." The following is an excerpt from a website discussing DE. It covers the basics, including human use. There is more info about pet, garden and livestock use on this website that is very good. I buy DE from a local nursery very cheaply. "Food grade diatomaceous earth has many uses. The information below will tell you some of the differences in grades of diatomaceous earth, along with information on how to use food grade diatomaceous earth. "Natural Diatomaceous Earth (DE) is the remains of microscopic one-celled plants (phytoplankton) called diatoms that lived in the oceans and lakes that once covered the western part of the US and other parts of the world. These deposits are mined from underwater beds or from ancient dried lake bottoms. "Diatomaceous earth is mined, milled, and processed into a myriad of types for a large variety of uses. Filtering and filler are two main uses but diatomaceous earth also ends up in paints, cosmetics, drugs, chemical insecticides, etc. Because the milling produces different sized and shaped particles, it is important not to use the filtering type for agricultural purposes. "Pool filter grade diatomaceous earth has been heat and chemically treated and will poison an animal or human who ingests it, so it is always of utmost importance to only obtain food grade diatomaceous earth to use in and around your household. "Food grade diatomaceous earth is EPA approved to be mixed with grains to control mealworms and other pests and has been exempted from tolerance requirements as an inert, inactive ingredient in chemical pesticides. Diatomaceous earth is EPA approved against indoor and outdoor crawling insects. Diatomaceous earth is USDA approved as an anti-caking agent for animal feed. Diatomaceous earth is FDA approved for internal and external use and has a rating of Food Chemical Codex Grade. "INTERNAL PARASITE CONTROL: Food grade diatomaceous earth makes a very effective natural insecticide. The insecticidal quality of diatomaceous earth is due to the razor sharp edges of the diatom remains. When diatomaceous earth comes in contact with the insects, the sharp edges lacerate the bugs waxy exoskeleton and then the powdery diatomaceous earth absorbs the body fluids causing death from dehydration. "Food grade diatomaceous earth has been used for at least two decades as a natural wormer for livestock. Some believe diatomaceous earth scratches and dehydrates parasites. Some scientists believe that diatomaceous earth is a de-ionizer or de-energizer of worms or parasites. Regardless, people report definite control. To be most effective, food grade diatomaceous earth must be fed long enough to catch all newly hatching eggs or cycling of the worms through the lungs and back to the stomach. A minimum of 60 days is suggested by many, 90 days is advised for lungworms. "Food grade diatomaceous earth works in a purely physical/mechanical manner, not chemical and thus has no chemical toxicity. Best yet, parasites dont build up a tolerance/immunity to its chemical reaction, so rotation of wormers unnecessary. "Daily recommended food grade diatomaceous earth feeding rates: Kittens - 1/2 teaspoon Cats - 1 teaspoon Puppies - 1/2 to 1 tsp. Dogs under 35 lbs. - 1 teaspoon Dogs over 35 lbs. - 1 tablespoon Dogs over 100 lbs. - 2 tablespoons Cattle, Dairy Cows, & Hogs - 2% of dry feed ration Chickens - 5% in feed Goats & Sheep - 1% in grain Horses - 1/2-1 cup in daily ration *Humans - 1 heaping tablespoon daily "*Some recommend to dose humans by mixing food grade diatomaceous earth in a glass of water before bed or first thing in the morning, well before breakfast, to allow diatomaceous earth time to move through and absorb toxins from ones digestive tract without interfering or absorbing nutrients from foods or liquids. Some report great results consuming 1 tsp. in a glass of water prior to each meal, 3x/day." http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/defaq.html I personally stir a teaspoon of DE into 3 or 4 oz of water or juice and glug it down. It has almost no taste, and does not upset my stomach. I have found various Naturopathic doctors who recommend from one tspn per day to one tspn per meal. Since it is not toxic, you don't need to be paranoid about how much to use, but a tspn before each meal seems to be entirely adequate to do the job. The info file I send to whoever requests it contains further info about DE. Terry Chamberlin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com Th
Re: CS>Colloid master, vs Silverpuppy, was Re: CS>Where to bye a machine I can trust?
I have these two,plus Trem's earlier model w/o the stirrer,plus his new 'stirrer' model,,(http://www.silvergen.com/) I run several at a time,combining the SilverPuppy's magnet stir with a non stir model.. Gotto' go,,all this stirring stuff makes me dizzy.. BTW thanks all for the Green Food info,,most helpful,,as usual from this list - Original Message - Subject: CS>Colloid master, vs Silverpuppy, was Re: CS>Where to bye a machine I can trust? Not to quibble overmuch but several people have found they did need to -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Parasite Cleanse
Thanks V, That's what I paid for the 8 lb bag at the feed store. I haven't seen any evidence of anything wrong after using the fs source so I'll continue using it I don't mind giving some away for flea powder to my neighbors that way and it certainly hasn't hurt my dogs and cats. THis is the first that I've even heard of food grade DE. One of the reference sites says that if you have eaten anything made with wheat flour you have eaten DE. Apparently because it is used an an insecticide in the grain storage facilities. At $1.50/oz I seriously doubt that they are using food grade for a silo of grain. I'm going to have to read a lot more to find out just when/where/why the DE is heated and how much. Thanks, Bill Keen V wrote: Hi Bill, I got food grade DE here at this site. http://store.yahoo.com/herbal-remedies-usa/diead6oz.html
Re: CS>ODE TO MIKE
Gladys writes: > Dear List- > Happy Holidays to all. I love this list. When we disagree, then all > come together to help someone who is very ill or has a friend who is > ill; AMAZING. Kudos to you Mike. You are the catalyst, the balance, the > monitor. Thank you for the inspiration. You challenge us to be our > very best, and you spank us when we're not. Ha, ha, ha. Through it all > your life happens too. Sorry for your pain. We all care. Gladys Well thank you dear lady! I love this group, too. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
debbie, Here is a site that shows the dosage for animals: http://www.hydromall.com/happy_grower16.html I'm not sure what you mean by "die-off to deal with". Bill Keen Deborah Gerard wrote: how do you know how much to take and is there a die-off to deal with? this is a whole new thing to me...thanks debbie Terry Chamberlin wrote: > The easiest and cheapest for people and pets to get rid of > intestinal worms is DE (diatomaceous earth) available at the > local feed store or pool supply (much higher priced there).
Re: CS>tap water CS
V, If I could nail that one down I'd be a physicist instead of a handyman with a long electronics background. Bill V wrote: Hi Bill, He He he. well you may pursue that questions the rest fo your life becaues I dont think anybody knows the answers to those queshtions to this day. Even the scientists that are studying it all have not come to any conclusino on that. I think in a wire the electrons move but in a liquid then bothe the holes nad the electrons move. and what are electrons anyway? are they particles or waves or jsut cloauds of some energy or an etheric vortex or an interference pattern of the nuclear radiation wave fronts. If you can nail that one down then your doing good. Take care, V > So, Dan, > > You support the "hole flow' theory of current flow as opposed to the > electron flow in which the negative pole releases the electrons for current > flow? > > Does the positive charge 'suck' the molecules off of the positive > element or does the negatively charged current 'knock' them off of the > positive electrode? > I'm really interested in finding out just how this works. Is there a > knowledgable individual out there who really knows? > > Bill Keen > >
Re: CS>Diatomaceous earth
Bill writes: > "You claim to have observed material with similar packaging and gross > physical characteristics being sold for both purposes, and are urging > our members on the basis of that casual impression to ignore an > industry-wide safety standard." > > At no time have I made this claim. I have not "observed material with > similar packaging and gross physical characteristics being sold for > both purposes". > > What I stated was that I had checked the packaging and found no > differences between that sold in the feed stores as plain DE and that > sold for 3 to 10 times the price sold packaged and sold as Pool Filter > medium. That is what I plainly stated. With every site I visit repeating this caution, not to mention your own observation that pool filter medium DE is being sold for 3 to 10 times the price, is there any reason under the sun for us to recommend its use at all? Why not observe the precaution until there is proof it is not necessary? > You then claim that it is an "industry-wide safety standard" AFTER > you had previously written "Everywhere I have seen diatomaceous earth's > use for animal or human consumption discussed, we are strongly warned > to avoid the swimming pool filter type because it may be processed with > heat " which NEVER mentions ANY industry standards just more rumors. > As with most of the simple remedies the word "may" is acted upon as > GOSPEL TRUTH by those who do not know any better. Bill, you cannot guarantee that the pool center down the block from me isn't selling something called diatomaceous earth that has been processed with heat and *is* hazardous. You've made one observation where you are. That doesn't mean it's universally true. Plus, you've not done any detailed tests to determine if the chemical composition and microstructure of the pool filter product you've examined are in fact the same as the products being sold for feed and food use, let alone the stuff available to me or other members. You said yourself that you didn't even buy any of it. So, yes, in the face of the available evidence I'm going to allow the word "may" to incite me to caution, particularly where the members of this list are concerned. > It would certainly seem appropriate to ban me from this list as I will > continue to attempt to educate those who do not know how to check for > themselves. Since I don't lie, most people do not realize that what I > say is literally the truth without prevarication. Truth as you see it, certainly. That does not guarantee that what you believe is true, let alone that it is true everywhere. This hardly seems a case where you should fall on your sword to defend a position. I certainly won't ban you for expressing an opposing point of view. Being civil and reasonable in doing so is all that I expect. We most certainly are all now aware that you doubt the reported differences between pool filter and food/feed grade DE. Now we should leave it up to members to decide for themselves. > As the owner, you have chosen to lie about what I have said so as to > prejudice the group against my information. This is your choice and > since it is your 'private property' to do with as you like, feel free. Again, if you have any analyses which prove that even *some* of the stuff being sold for swimming pools is identical to food/feed grade, then we'll all be in your debt. Until that's the case we have only your opinion to go by, in which case I reserve the right to urge our members to be cautious. > I was learning some here, as with all the groups that I monitor, but > it isn't worth the hassle when this happens. Nobody, Bill, not even the list owner, can demand that our slightest utterances be immediately and universally accepted by everyone as the gospel truth. Though I cannot and do not guarantee *any* of the information offered by people on this list is correct, useful, or safe, I will sometimes point out when I think extra caution is advised. This is one of those times. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
