Re: CSWas: PWT testers, Now: Salt/C Protocol

[Dee]

 

Very interesting article.  I have now decided to ignore all things that come
via the medical establishment!  Dee 

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From: m1mar...@aol.com 

Date: 18/06/2007 01:16:41 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSWas: PWT testers, Now: Salt/C Protocol 

 

http://kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com/2005/07/science-of-saltc.html Ed. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[Dee]

 

Hi Wayne, I know that you didn't write the last two blocks , but I have a
comment to make about them.  This is pretty standard stuff, i.e. Most
doctors advocate high fibre/fruit diets etc., to avoid constipation, but
there are some people (me for one) who this has the dead opposite effect on.
 The more fruit/fibre/nuts I eat, the more constipated I become.  Lettuce,
which has the opposite effect on most people, will cause a 'traffic jam'
(being delicate) for days!  Seed (pumpkin) have a horrendous effect on me i
e. They make me horribly thirsty.  Just wondered if you (or anyone else) had
heard of these phenomena.  Dee 

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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out. 

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From: CWFugitt 

Date: 18/06/2007 00:12:55 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure 

 

I did not write the two blocks below. 

=== 

A diet rich in fresh fruits will provide the vitamin C needed to build
strong blood vessels. Include wheat germ and avocados as a regular part of
your diet to obtain vitamin E, which dilates blood vessels and helps prevent
phlebitis and varicose veins; wheat germ and avocados are also excellent
sources of niacin, which prevents blood-clot formation. Other good sources
of niacin are nutritional yeast, dates, figs, fish, eggs and the white
poultry meat. 

Omega-3 fatty acids from flax seed and fish oils are natural blood-thinning
agents that improve blood flow throughout the body. Particularly good
sources of fish oil are trout, mackerel, salmon, herring, sardines, cod,
halibut and shark. Use two tablespoons of flax seed oil daily on salads and
baked potatoes, or in any dish that does not require heating to high
temperatures. 

 

Eat foods which will prevent *constipation, particularly those rich in fiber
 Raw vegetables with the stems left on, fruit with the peel and core,
cabbage, red cabbage, Brussels sprouts, nuts and seeds, dried plums, figs,
dates, whole grain breads and cereals are good sources of fiber. Flax seeds
are a natural laxative, and can be added to cereal or taken as flax seed oil
and used as a dressing for salads or baked potatoes. Flax seeds absorb water
and soften stools. 

 

= 

 

That is a start. 

 

Wayne 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: CSRe: Folic acid

[Dee]

I don't know what is in baking soda, but I do know that the body produces
bicarbonate of soda to neutralize the stomach acid when food leaves the
stomach to enter the duodenum.  Dee 

 

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From: Leslie 

Date: 17/06/2007 22:55:05 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSRe: Folic acid 

 

I was reading where a doctor from Rome was using the baking soda in IV's and


Taking care of the cancer!? Anyway, as I researched the baking soda, 

Realized that it is an excellent anti-acid. 


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CSVit C

[Dee]

Hi all, can you tell me what Vit C to use as I am very wary of supplements
not being processed correctly.  I have always used Ester C but I seem to
remember someone saying this was not as good as ascorbic acid, for some
reason which eludes me at the moment.  TIA Dee  

 

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CSBuilding strong blood Vessels

[metaphor]

Hello Listers ,
To the question  re : How do we build strong blood vessels : Look to 
the herb 'Hawthorn . Hawthorn Berries


Hawthorn is traditionally known for its strong and powerful effect on 
the circulatory system, particularly the heart. It has been used for 
centuries with great success, especially in Europe. Even today it 
remains a favorite among herbalists as a cardiac tonic. Hawthorn is 
valued for nourishing blood pressure and circulation. When used on a 
regular, long-term basis hawthorn exerts a continued protection to 
the cardiovascular system.


HAWTHORN, THE HEART-HELPING HERB

In both Western and Chinese Herbology, Hawthorne berries and flowers 
are most traditionally used to help the heart, and it is heartening 
to note that, according to the Herb Society of America's Herbal 
Encyclopedia, Unlike most medicinal plants that act on the heart, 
hawthorn is relatively non-toxic, although they are quick to add the 
reminder about the seriousness of heart conditions and the necessity 
for treatment by qualified practitioners.


Hawthorn berries, fresh or dried, are the parts most generally used, 
in tea or tincture (or commercially in capsules) medicinally.  When 
dried, they fade a little, and look almost like Cinnabar, wrinkled, 
rosy, and very lovely.  In Western Herbology these berries are 
considered a strong heart tonic, with the ability to stabilize 
cholesterol counts as well as blood pressure, by raising low pressure 
and reducing high pressure, and is therefore an herb of choice for 
hypertension as well as hypotension.  They have also proven 
effective, for generations, centuries even, in regulating rapid or 
arrhythmic heart beat,  inflammation of the heart muscle, angina, 
arteriosclerosis, and disease or degeneration of the heart valves and 
blood vessels.  Because it strengthens the heart and the ability of 
the heart to process the blood flow, it improves the condition of the 
vessels through which the blood flows and the general circulation in 
the body.  Therefore, although heart problems can occur at any age, 
Hawthorn is one of the first herbs considered when the conditions 
relate to aging and the heart problems that frequently accompany aging.


Hawthorn is also effective for insomnia that can accompany 
over-active mental stimulation, digestion problems, or chronic stress 
and for palpitations which may have many causes, including: 
allergies, menopause, fear, athletic challenge, sexual excitement, 
anticipation of upcoming events, caffeine, cigarettes, alcohol, 
etc.  As a nervous system relaxant, it combines well with other herb 
relaxants, such as Lemon Balm, Lime/Linden flowers, Motherwort, and 
Passion Flower.


In Chinese Herbology, the berries have long been used to relieve 
indigestion from overeating or chronic poor digestion system, as well 
as to stimulate a poor appetite, release abdominal distention and 
post partum pain. In addition, the green fruit, roasted and charred, 
has been used to allay diarrhea and even to treat chronic 
dysentery-like symptoms.  Hawthorn was named by its botanical 
reference C. pinnatifida in the Supplement to the Extension of the 
Materia Medica by Zhu Zhen Heng who lived around 1347


Regards
Margaret
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Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question

[faith gagne]

Ditto.


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From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



get over it...

faith gagne wrote:

I did not call a distributor in Colorado.

.

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question



At 10:24 AM 6/16/2007 -0400, you wrote:

Frank Key's business phone number, a different number from the one he 
posts online,  was given to me by my credit card company.


Therefore, you called whom ever you did business with and that would 
be the distributor Colloids For Life in Colorado who bought CS in 
quantity from the manufacturer in New Jersey.

 Those numbers are generally on the monthly card statement BTW.

Incidentally, it's OK to store either type of CS in a suitable non 
leaching plastic container. [the original complaint?]
The ionic charge doesn't leak off as the myth says and a particulate 
CS doesn't have an ionic charge to leak off if it could.


Further, Pure silver and it's Oxides and Hydroxides don't react to 
light, so clear plastic is OK as well.

If it does react, you have something other than silver and water.

Ode

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Re: CSBuilding strong blood Vessels

[Barbara]

Thank you Margaret for that post :)  I never knew about Hawthorn. 

Barbara



  Hello Listers , 
  To the question  re : How do we build strong blood vessels : Look to the herb 
'Hawthorn . Hawthorn Berries


Hawthorn is traditionally known for its strong and powerful effect on the 
circulatory system, particularly the heart. It has been used for centuries with 
great success, especially in Europe. Even today it remains a favorite among 
herbalists as a cardiac tonic. Hawthorn is valued for nourishing blood pressure 
and circulation. When used on a regular, long-term basis hawthorn exerts a 
continued protection to the cardiovascular system. 

Re: CSbubblers and ppm

[Arnold Beland]

I just realized that I was only shinning the light through the 15 ppm jar and 
not the 0.8 ppm (bubbler only) jar.
SS

So can you see a beam in the bubbler solution?

Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
www.atlasnova.com

Re: Re: CSsilver plated flatware/corningware/visionware

[noblemetals]

Some hubcaps and cheaper  stainless are slightly magnetic and are essentially 
301 alloy.  I say cheaper, meaning their value is based on nickle 
content-currently $20 a lb. Stainless alloys can have different magnetic 
properties if they are  cast or forged-or heat treated or hardened.
 
 From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
 Date: 2007/06/16 Sat PM 03:44:10 EST
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSsilver plated flatware/corningware/visionware
 
 Being a little odd, I often carry a small magnet with me.
 I have observed that various table flatware are magnetic to different
 degrees.
 In general, the good stuff is the least magnetic.
 
 Allergies present a whole different problem than regular ingestion
 from so called leeching.
 Some people DIE from peanuts, and must avoid them.
 Same with nickle?
 
   Chuck
 
 All things considered, insanity may be the only reasonable alternative
 
 On 6/16/2007 1:00:19 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote:
  Hmm, well, all the cheap stainless
  I've seen in recent years is
  invariably non-magnetic.  I personally seriously question the statement
  that stainless steel doesn't
  leach nickel (and or any other of the alloy
  metals). I know that is what is claimed. But
  I've my own personal
  experience to say SS does leach nickel, and that it leaches enough to
  cause me problems. One site I was reading on last year, which was
  singing the praises of SS and hyping the dangers of aluminum cookware
  said that anyone with a nickel allergy should 
 
 
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Re: CS20 mule team BORAX

[Marshall Dudley]

OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a wet 
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured 
about 1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too 
high?


Marshall

nessie wrote:
Well not sure exactly, but you took 33 times  the recommended 
dosage.(1000/30)=   33.3..
So you need approx 1/33 of   1/4 tsp.. Don't know how you figure that 
one out..?

   nessie
***
Bonnie wrote:
If you dip you index finger up to the first joint and  then put it 
into a capsule I think that is the amount that I just took.  That is 
the measure that was mentioned here.  Yes, I realize that 1/4 is 
equal to 1000mg.  That is how I take my MSM.  How  would you measure 
the 30mg that everyone has mentioned?


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*From:* nessie mailto:nes...@shaw.ca
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Friday, June 15, 2007 7:33 PM
*Subject:* CS20 mule team BORAX

Whoa:
Slow down the horses there.!
Do you realise  1/4 tsp is 1000mg.?  Hmmm Me thinks quite
a large dose..??
nessie..
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CS20 mule team BORAX

[nessie]

Well..
 I will try and help a little here.. 1 Teaspoon is equal to
4.72 gms.. Note that's grams which is 1720 milligrams.
 So  1 Teaspoon is
also equal to 4720 mgms (Milligrams)
 Therefore 1/4 Teaspoon is equal to 4720/4 which
equals approx 1180 Milligrams..
 The recomended dosage was 30mg.. a very small amount..
 Another way to look at it is to look at some
pills/supplements you might have , check the physical size
 of the pill and see how many mg that correlates to on the
label , and that would be ignoring the fillers etc. that they put into
everything
 to make them look bigger etc..Might give you some
perspective on size weight etc..
 nessie..


Marshall Dudley wrote:
OK,
now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured
about 1/4 teaspoon. So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too
high?
  
  
Marshall
  
  
  
  






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Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Dee,  I have been wondering if what you are saying here, Dee, may be 
contributing to my digestive problems.  Speaking of fruit, I am told that 
bananas are constipating.  I eat quite a few of those in spite of my 
constipation since one ought to eat fruit and it is one of the few that work 
for my upper digestive tract.  Apples and oranges, all citrus fruits give me 
problems with my upper tract, also.  Also any of the more acid fruits.  
Right now I am using less in the banana line, trying out cantalope.  It is a 
little hard to determine what is causing what since I am also working with a 
different doctor, a gastroenterology surgeon who does not want to do surgery 
on my bowel unless absolutely necessary.  He has requested some testing and 
the testing preps always throw everything way off any sort of base. I also 
wonder about lettuce, think maybe regular headlettuce might be better than 
the romaine I use now. I am really puzzled by all of this, but what you are 
saying gives me food for thought. I have wondered about lettuce contributing 
to my constipation especially Romaine .  I can see how it might clog up the 
works, especially if not chewed alot.  Perhaps odds and ends of those leaves 
stick onto the sides of the colon and other things gather around them? For 
me, the trouble with the others is more the acidity, but for you maybe the 
stringiness of the outer part may contribute to pileups.  Know from 
experience how hard these things are to sort out.  Have you had any tests, 
like for transit time from food in the mouth to residue in the rectum?  I 
doubt this is very helpful, but sometimes just exchanging ideas is useful.  
Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein



From: Dee  d...@deetroy.org
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:27:21 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)



Hi Wayne, I know that you didn't write the last two blocks , but I have a
comment to make about them.  This is pretty standard stuff, i.e. Most
doctors advocate high fibre/fruit diets etc., to avoid constipation, but
there are some people (me for one) who this has the dead opposite effect 
on.

 The more fruit/fibre/nuts I eat, the more constipated I become.  Lettuce,
which has the opposite effect on most people, will cause a 'traffic jam'
(being delicate) for days!  Seed (pumpkin) have a horrendous effect on me i
e. They make me horribly thirsty.  Just wondered if you (or anyone else) 
had

heard of these phenomena.  Dee

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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)





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From: CWFugitt

Date: 18/06/2007 00:12:55

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure



I did not write the two blocks below.

===

A diet rich in fresh fruits will provide the vitamin C needed to build
strong blood vessels. Include wheat germ and avocados as a regular part of
your diet to obtain vitamin E, which dilates blood vessels and helps 
prevent

phlebitis and varicose veins; wheat germ and avocados are also excellent
sources of niacin, which prevents blood-clot formation. Other good sources
of niacin are nutritional yeast, dates, figs, fish, eggs and the white
poultry meat.

Omega-3 fatty acids from flax seed and fish oils are natural blood-thinning
agents that improve blood flow throughout the body. Particularly good
sources of fish oil are trout, mackerel, salmon, herring, sardines, cod,
halibut and shark. Use two tablespoons of flax seed oil daily on salads and
baked potatoes, or in any dish that does not require heating to high
temperatures.



Eat foods which will prevent *constipation, particularly those rich in 
fiber

 Raw vegetables with the stems left on, fruit with the peel and core,
cabbage, red cabbage, Brussels sprouts, nuts and seeds, dried plums, figs,
dates, whole grain breads and cereals are good sources of fiber. Flax seeds
are a natural laxative, and can be added to cereal or taken as flax seed 
oil
and used as a dressing for salads or baked potatoes. Flax seeds absorb 
water

and soften stools.



=



That is a start.



Wayne
















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Re: CSVit C

[cking001]

I've been using plain ol' ascorbic acid for over forty years.
I now take about 10 grams daily.

Some say this or that is better, but my bulk purchased C has been more
than satisfactory.
http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc./Vitamin_C_Products.html#1182

People with sensitivities have to experiment on themselves for what's
best


Chuck
Quantum physics predicts the past with 80% accuracy  


On 6/18/2007 6:48:27 AM, Dee (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 Hi all, can you tell me what Vit C to use as I am very wary of
 supplements
 not being processed correctly.  I have always used Ester C but I seem to
 remember someone saying this was not as good as ascorbic acid, for some
 reason which eludes me at the moment.  TIA Dee
 


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Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[cking001]

PRUNES and prunejuice still RULE
I was bedridden and bound up at one time. Finally requested a quart of
prune juice. That was the end of that problem!

Chuck
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but
that's the way to bet!


On 6/18/2007 1:04:42 PM, ruth strackbein (ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com)
wrote:
 Hi, Dee,  I have been wondering if what you are saying here, Dee, may be
 contributing to my digestive problems.  Speaking of fruit, I am told that
 
 bananas are constipating.  I eat quite a few of those in spite of my
 constipation since one ought to eat fruit and it is one of the few that
 work
 for my upper digestive tract.  Apples and oranges, all citrus fruits give
 me
 problems with my upper tract, also.  Also any of the more acid fruits.
 Right now I am using less in the banana line, trying out cantalope.  It 


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CSstrong blood vessals to Wayne

[zeb caffe]

What types of things can a person do to build strong blood vessals? Mineral 
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Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Chuck, I have used prune juice with the pulp in for months now.  Was 
using a few swallows 3-r, very once in awhile through the day.  NowDr. wants 
me to use 4- 6 ounces twice a day, or Milk of magnesia, 1-2 tblasp twice a 
day or every other day as need seems to dictate.  Haven't had time yet to 
try all the alternatives he recommended.  I did get diarrhea today, but 
think I stated with too much Milk of Mag.  Decided to start with that as I 
had found from old food medicine journals , that millk of mag did seem to 
work a few years ago.  Also just came through a ct scan with its contrast 
medium stuff.  Mydigestive tract has been rebelling ever since.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:24:48 -0400

PRUNES and prunejuice still RULE
I was bedridden and bound up at one time. Finally requested a quart of
prune juice. That was the end of that problem!

Chuck
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but
that's the way to bet!


On 6/18/2007 1:04:42 PM, ruth strackbein (ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com)
wrote:
 Hi, Dee,  I have been wondering if what you are saying here, Dee, may be
 contributing to my digestive problems.  Speaking of fruit, I am told 
that


 bananas are constipating.  I eat quite a few of those in spite of my
 constipation since one ought to eat fruit and it is one of the few that
 work
 for my upper digestive tract.  Apples and oranges, all citrus fruits 
give

 me
 problems with my upper tract, also.  Also any of the more acid fruits.
 Right now I am using less in the banana line, trying out cantalope.  It


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Re: CS20 mule team BORAX

[cking001]

Heh...
Prolly a pinch would be more like it...

Chuck
_Purranoia: the fear your cats are up to something


On 6/18/2007 12:23:24 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com)
wrote:
 OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a wet
 finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured
 about 1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too
 high?
 
 Marshall
 
 nessie wrote:
  Well not sure exactly, but you took 33 times  the recommended
  dosage.(1000/30)=   33.3..
  So you need approx 1/33 of   1/4 tsp.. Don't know how you figure that
  one out..?
   %


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RE: CSstrong blood vessals -spider veins?

[Wendy]

Does lack of strong blood vessels cause spider veins? Or is it mostly in
womens legs because of crossing them for years?
 
I wonder about dmso, cs applied to spider veins externally and taking
other supplements/herbs for strong blood vessels?
 
Quite anxious to find a solution/cause! ;-)
 
Thanks
 
Wendy
 
 
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From: zeb caffe [mailto:jamaki...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: June 18, 2007 1:34 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSstrong blood vessals to Wayne
 
What types of things can a person do to build strong blood vessals?
Mineral intake?
  
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CSanti-oxidants and Lugol's

[Shirley Reed]

Please allow me to pick some of the oh so good brains on this list!!
Several of the Lugol info sites recommend discontinuing the use of Vits. A,
E, and I think even C while using larger amounts of Lugol's-- so the advice
is not to use the antioxidant vitamins while using more or less high dose
iodine.  The idea is that iodine is an oxidant.  Anybody know for sure just
what will be the results of  using the antiO's while using maybe 12 drops of
Lugol's in two divided doses per day??  I am getting good to fabulous
results with Lugol's and I have been taking the antiO's too.  Hate to
contemplate not using them!!  They are so very good too.  Will greatly
appreciate your knowledgeable input.   pj

CSDigestion System Problems

[CWFugitt]

Morning Ruth,

 At 12:45 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
 NowDr. wants me to use 4- 6 ounces twice a day, or Milk of magnesia, 1-2 
tblasp twice a day or every other day as need seems to dictate.  Haven't 
had time yet to try all the alternatives he recommended.  I did get 
diarrhea today, but think I stated with too much Milk of Mag.


  I hate to tell you what I think.  ( Not scientific Fact )

I believe you and your doctor are treating the symptom, and not 
the  cause.   I may be wrong, I have been wrong before, on this very list.


If so, I will admit it and welcome the other ideas.

I realize the problem is very complex and a panel of doctors and scientists 
cannot always solve it.


This make we wonder why us lowly humans think we can solve anything.   Of 
course we have control of the laboratory.


More ideas and facts on the digestive system later.

Wayne





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Re: CS20 mule team BORAX

[Marshall Dudley]

nessie wrote:

Well..
  I will try and help a little here.. 1 Teaspoon is equal to 
4.72 gms.. Note that's grams which is 1720 milligrams.
But that depends on the density. That is for, I am guessing water, 
right?  Borax shows a weight of 1.73 g/cm^3, so in that case it would be 
closer to 2 grams per teaspoon. However borax powder has a good bit of 
air in it, so maybe not.


Boron is only 10.6% of the weight in borax, so 1,000 mg of borax, 
contains only 106 mg of borax, which is only about 3 times high, instead 
of 30 times high.


Marshall
  So  1 Teaspoon is 
also equal to   4720 mgms (Milligrams)
   Therefore 1/4 Teaspoon is equal to  4720/4which  
equals approx  1180 Milligrams..

  The recomended dosage was  30mg.. a very small amount..
  Another way to look at it  is to look at some 
pills/supplements you might have , check the physical size
   of the pill and see how many mg that correlates to on the 
label , and that would be ignoring the fillers etc. that they put into 
everything
   to make  them look bigger etc..Might give you some 
perspective on size weight etc..

   nessie..


Marshall Dudley wrote:
OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a 
wet finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it 
measured about 1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 
30 times too high?


Marshall





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RE: CS20 mule team BORAX

[ransley]

 Slow down the horses there.!
Do you realise  1/4 tsp is 1000mg.?  Hmmm Me thinks quite a large
dose..??
..
 
 Yes, I realize that 1/4 is equal to 1000mg. ...  How  would you measure
the 30mg that everyone has mentioned? 
..
 
30 mgs. of Borax is not 30 mgs. of boron.  I'm going on memory, but seems
like it does take about 1000 mgs. of borax to actually get the needed
elemental boron. 
 
In any case, per my previous post, I've gone way past this. I'm still here
and feeling better than ever.
 
Daddybob.

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RE: CS20 mule team BORAX

[ransley]

OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the amount that sticks to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured about
1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too high?

That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you have
pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6 days a week.
When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx from it. Backed
off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all over, got herx
again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg vinegar
because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx again.

Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just fine. 

I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out. I'll report
when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single sheapest and most
effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots of things
that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap, this easy.

Daddybob


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CSDigestion System

[CWFugitt]

Evening Dee,

 At 03:27 AM 6/18/2007, you wrote:

Most doctors advocate high fibre/fruit diets etc.,
 this has the dead opposite effect on. The more fruit/fibre/nuts 
I   eat, the more constipated I become.


   Often the doctors should tell more.  More options, more possibilities, 
and methods that might help.   I guess you know, it is against the law for 
them to recommend any treatment that is not AMA approved.  Bad News !   ( 
That is AMA Law )


 They make me horribly thirsty.  Just wondered if you (or anyone else) 
had heard of these phenomena.


Once when I was traveling all the time, I developed diarrhea.
After a few days, I wanted to stop it.   I told myself,
I am going to stop this.   So, I stopped at a roadside stand and guess 
what I bought for this purpose?


A large bag of raw peanuts and a large bag of apples.

As I drove along, I was eating these constantly.  Yes, it stopped 
immediately.  You could say, Maybe it was going to stop anyway but I 
think not.


More people have digestive problems than we ever realized.
This is a serious ailment because it effects overall health.
 Much of the immune system function comes from the gut.
( about 60 % I think )   So, if the gut is not functioning properly, the 
immune system will be impaired greatly.


Of course I can't tell you how to solve your problem. I can only offer 
ideas and guidelines to use in your studies and experimentation.


Where shall we start ?

Many digestion problems start in the mouth and the stomach, with the food, 
eating habits, and food combining.  Some even start with the food 
itself.  People say they can't eat this and can't eat that.  If so, they 
should know it.  Some will eat it anyway.


Digestion starts in the mouth when food is mixed with enzymes.
Hydrochloric acid production is low in most people over age 40.
In the group that is sick enough to go to a doctor for any reason, the 
people that cannot make enough Hydrochloric acid is 90 %.


If the stomach does not do the job right before the food goes into the 
digestion track, heaven only knows of all the failures and bad things that 
happen, including immune system function decline.
Pains and feeling may result that tell you in no uncertain terms, something 
is drastically wrong.


Many highly technical things are involved.

The Brain in the Gut
The Vagus Nerve
Intercellular Communication

Yes, all these have to function for perfect digestion.  We can blame our 
problem on many things but it may be so complex that few if any doctors can 
figure it out.


One of my older sisters had a problem with the Vagus nerve and the doctor 
said it was responsible for her digestion ailment.

Was he guessing or how did he arrive at that decision?

Which brings up another subject I should have included at the top.
The Nervous system.   Many people have problems with the nerves.
So, any nutrients that help the nerves could help the digestion.

Usually we do not have to worry about all these highly technical 
areas.  Simple changes can help.   Experiment.  You have full control of 
the laboratory.  No one else does.

Change the eating habits and methods
Adding a few foods and eliminating others
Eat smaller meals and more than 3 meals per day.
I think 3 meals per day is an American Disaster.

Don't overlook fats.  One of the best is Raw Sunflower seeds.
This food along can help some people.  One ounce 3 or 4 times per day could 
help, plus some decent nutrients are there also.


Some special foods or mixtures of them offer advantages.
Trail mix, if the right ingredients are used is the best food on the face 
of the earth.


I mix peanut butter, coconut oil,  and/or Honey and Black Strap 
molasses.  I eat one pint of this per week.


I won't suggest Raw Liver, but Adelle Davis believed in it strongly.

Most of the foods I eat intentionally, have the nutritional analysis 
here.  http://www.fugitt.com/trailmix.htm


Link to Brain in the GUT
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/24/healthscience/snbrain.php
I have seen others I like better.

I failed to mention, The control system of the body.
That is another subject.

Wayne




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Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[Dee]

You're right Ruth, and this is why this list is so helpful, although
strictly speaking it is OT again.  I don't really know why this happens,
because lettuce is really 'scouring' for most people and even rabbits which
lay people always think is the food for them, (although I know it isn't)  as
I said, my husband can only eat a ten pence size bit of lettuce or the
results are disastrous!  Bananas shouldn't be constipating because they are 
high fibre' but everything like this is for me.  Normally, my system works
fine; I have never, ever had diarrhoea and as long as I stick to junk food 
everything works fine; the minute I come over all 'healthy' it all grinds to
a halt, so to speak.  I was just wondering if anyone knew why, but it is
interesting that lettuce etc., affects you in a similar way, especially as
you have so many problems, and I, ostensibly at least, do not.  Regards, Dee




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From: Ruth strackbein 

Date: 18/06/2007 18:05:31 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure 

 

Hi, Dee, I have been wondering if what you are saying here, Dee, may be 

Contributing to my digestive problems. Speaking of fruit, I am told that 

Bananas are constipating. I eat quite a few of those in spite of my 

Constipation since one ought to eat fruit and it is one of the few that work


For my upper digestive tract. 


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Fw: Re: CSVit C

[Dee]

 

For some reason, this got returned as undeliverable.  I am trying again. Dee


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From: Dee 

Date: 18/06/2007 21:00:19 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSVit C 

 

Thanks Chuck. Dee 

 

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From: cking...@nycap.rr.com 

 

Date: 18/06/2007 18:10:23 

 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

 

Subject: Re: CSVit C 

 

 

 

I've been using plain ol' ascorbic acid for over forty years. 

 

I now take about 10 grams daily. 

 

 

 

Some say this or that is better, but my bulk purchased C has been more 

 

Than satisfactory. 

 

http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc./Vitamin_C_Products.html#1182 

 

 

 

People with sensitivities have to experiment on themselves for what's 

 

best 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fw: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[Dee]

 

This also got returned as undeliverable.  What is going on?  Dee 

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From: Dee 

Date: 18/06/2007 20:58:39 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure 

 

This also is one of the standard answers to constipation, but, this also is 

A non starter (pardon pun) for me. Has no effect at all as do grapes, senna 

Etc., which get most people 'going'. Dee 

 

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From: cking...@nycap.rr.com 

 

Date: 18/06/2007 18:24:04 

 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

 

Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure 

 

 

 

PRUNES and prunejuice still RULE 

 

I was bedridden and bound up at one time. Finally requested a quart of 

 

Prune juice. That was the end of that problem! 

 

 

 

Chuck 

 

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that's the way to bet! 

 

 

 

 

 


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CSCS and cats

[Shirley Reed]

My two cats get CS in their drinking water at all times.   Usually it is
about 1/4  cs at a minimum but it varies.  They are hardly ever sick, and so
far, never seriously.  They are about 7 years old.  pj

CSbaking soda/aluminum?

[jessie70]

Does regular baking soda have aluminum in it? Thanks, Jess
  -Original Message-
  From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com]
  Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:53 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSRe: Folic acid


  I use a little baking soda, without aluminum in it, in a little water and
get instant relief...beware though you burp really loud...haha

  Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote:
Is not something like bicarbonate better for 'heartburn' (indigestion)
than
prescription meds. My husband took these things for years and completely
messed his digestive system up. He now gets no pain at all since he's
stopped taking them. Dee



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From: brick...@aol.com

Date: 06/17/07 20:25:09

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CSRe: Folic acid





I am also trying to stop taking Prilosec. I take 15 drops of 5% Hcl with
each meal. Dr Mercola says to take Tagamet 2 per day for 2 months as
heartburn returns as soon as I stopped Prilosec. Does the Hcl and
Tagamet
counteract? I am at the 3 weeks of no Prilosec and currently am taking
both.


Brickey


















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Re: CSSilver Quality

[Arnold Beland]

Soon after going the silver list I decided that I would provide a source of 
certifiable ultra pure silver for people to start with.  This was after a bad 
experience on eBay buying 100 ounces of what was suppose to be pure silver 
and turned out to be anything but.  I have a special refinery that produces 
this for me along with a certificate of analysis with each batch of 2000 ounces 
or more.  I did this so that those who make their own CS will at least know 
what they are starting with.
Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
www.atlasnova.com
  - Original Message - 
  From: Silver Smith 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:10 PM
  Subject: CSSilver Quality


  I have a friend who has a jewelry business and can buy silver wholesale.  His 
wholesale source has fine silver but no  purity designation.  Anybody 
know what purity fine silver is?

  Thanks,

  SS

CSre

[faith gagne]

Please unsubscribe me from CS.  thank you very much.

Faith Gagne

RE: CS20 mule team BORAX

[Max Sanders]

I just read a few of these posts and find it very interesting. Are you talking 
about the 20 Mule Team Borax Natural Laundry Booster?  Boron may be good for 
one if needed, but is it OK to ingest the Borax product? How do you know what 
else is in it and that it is safe? I always have a box around for the other 
stuff, and it sure doesn't suggest ingesting the material. Sounds as though it 
has helped your condition Daddybob. Really very interesting.  I never knew 
boron was a hard to get element, and had such consequences if deficient.

Maz

ransley rans...@atmc.net wrote: OK, now I am confused. I had been taking the 
amount that sticks to a wet
finger up to the first knuckle, and just measured it, and it measured about
1/4 teaspoon.  So is this the right amount, or about 30 times too high?

That's about right. Anymore will start to give you a herx if you have
pathogenic arthritis. I try to take this much every day about 6 days a week.
When I took it 3-4 times a day for a week I got quite a herx from it. Backed
off, went without for a few days, herx went away. Did it all over, got herx
again. Backed off, herx stopped. Next time I took a lot of Bragg vinegar
because it has boron, just to make sure about it all. Got a herx again.

Taking the borax steadily is easier to live with and works just fine. 

I am on a list to try a new boron product when it comes out. I'll report
when that happens. For now, borax is probebly the single sheapest and most
effective thing I've ever done for my arthritis. I've done lots of things
that have worked, but nothing has worked this good, this cheap, this easy.

Daddybob


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Re: RE: CS20 mule team BORAX

[gwms624]

Did I miss something about the borax posts?  Why is everyone talking about 
taking borax when boron is so cheap, readily available and already pre-measured 
to the dose you want to take?

Original Message -
From: ransley 
Date: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:25 pm
Subject: RE: CS20 mule team BORAX
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 Slow down the horses there.!
 Do you realise 1/4 tsp is 1000mg.? Hmmm Me thinks 
 quite a large
 dose..??
 ..
 
  Yes, I realize that 1/4 is equal to 1000mg. ... How would 
 you measure
 the 30mg that everyone has mentioned? 
 ..
 
 30 mgs. of Borax is not 30 mgs. of boron. I'm going on memory, 
 but seems
 like it does take about 1000 mgs. of borax to actually get the needed
 elemental boron. 
 
 In any case, per my previous post, I've gone way past this. I'm 
 still here
 and feeling better than ever.
 
 Daddybob.
 
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Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Dee, Thanks for your reply,  I suppose this does go with general health 
problems rather than strictly with Cs. But I do use CS and have a Silvergen 
generator, so I guess I just wasn't thinking . Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Dee  d...@deetroy.org
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:13:57 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)

You're right Ruth, and this is why this list is so helpful, although
strictly speaking it is OT again.  I don't really know why this happens,
because lettuce is really 'scouring' for most people and even rabbits which
lay people always think is the food for them, (although I know it isn't)  
as

I said, my husband can only eat a ten pence size bit of lettuce or the
results are disastrous!  Bananas shouldn't be constipating because they are
high fibre' but everything like this is for me.  Normally, my system works
fine; I have never, ever had diarrhoea and as long as I stick to junk food
everything works fine; the minute I come over all 'healthy' it all grinds 
to

a halt, so to speak.  I was just wondering if anyone knew why, but it is
interesting that lettuce etc., affects you in a similar way, especially as
you have so many problems, and I, ostensibly at least, do not.  Regards, 
Dee





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---Original Message---



From: Ruth strackbein

Date: 18/06/2007 18:05:31

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CSSalt/C Protocol / Blood Pressure



Hi, Dee, I have been wondering if what you are saying here, Dee, may be

Contributing to my digestive problems. Speaking of fruit, I am told that

Bananas are constipating. I eat quite a few of those in spite of my

Constipation since one ought to eat fruit and it is one of the few that 
work



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RE: CSDigestion System Problems

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Wayne, I guess I must have left out that it was 4-6 oz of prune juice in 
my post.  I have read your post to Dee, I have tried to use a great deal of 
what you suggest, but tolerate very little of it.  Just now I feel I need to 
follow through on what this Dr. is telling me.  We are trying to avoid 
surgery for an overlong exceedingly slow transit time bowel, 7-8 days from 
mouth to rectum.  Ten years ago a similar test had a transit time of 4 days. 
 I was eating more normally way back then, but never have been able to 
tolerate apples or alot of raw food, though I would like to.  This Dr. is a 
gastroenterology surgeon.  Dr. Tombers is a plain gastroenterologist.  His 
opinion was that there isn't a medicine outhere that will fix what is  wrong 
with my bowel. Both Docs have looked at the recent X-rays.  The surgeon is 
just highly aware of the severe problems that can result from removing 90% 
of your colon and wants to avoid that if at all possible.  Food residue 
tends to collect in odd places in my colon and back things up.  I live in a 
small village 20 miles from my regular doctor. I tend to get edgy as the 
weekend approaches, because I know that if I get into trouble over the 
weekend, the emergency room is of no help whatever.  Don't have time for 
more, but thanks for your suggestions.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: CWFugitt c_wa...@earthlink.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSDigestion System Problems
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:05:15 -0500

Morning Ruth,

 At 12:45 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote:
 NowDr. wants me to use 4- 6 ounces twice a day, or Milk of magnesia, 1-2 
tblasp twice a day or every other day as need seems to dictate.  Haven't 
had time yet to try all the alternatives he recommended.  I did get 
diarrhea today, but think I stated with too much Milk of Mag.


  I hate to tell you what I think.  ( Not scientific Fact )

I believe you and your doctor are treating the symptom, and not the  cause. 
  I may be wrong, I have been wrong before, on this very list.


If so, I will admit it and welcome the other ideas.

I realize the problem is very complex and a panel of doctors and scientists 
cannot always solve it.


This make we wonder why us lowly humans think we can solve anything.   Of 
course we have control of the laboratory.


More ideas and facts on the digestive system later.

Wayne





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CSCS: Why water is so important

[Harold MacDonald]

This is a link that all should read and take to heart.

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Re: CSLugols

[Tel Tofflemire]

Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Bloodrootproducts,  
mentioned below,  is,  if I am not mistaken, the 
company claimed by altcancer.com  to sell an adulterated and largely 
useless version of the original, FDA-suppressed Cancema salve.

You can verify this claim by checking the homepage of altcancer.com.   
There are a few sites selling products identical to the original 
altcancer Cancema, by the way.  Check around.   One operates out of 
Australia, selling the stuff for veterinary use.

Food for thought:  if altcancer's Cancema salve was dangerous and had 
to be taken off the market, and the company owner had to be imprisoned, 
  how can it be that another company based in the USA continues to sell 
the (supposedly identical)  product?
J.B.
The products were not faulty, nor dangerous, They were JUST not approved by the 
Lobby of Drug Co.s who control  the FDA  lab mice who live there.
The Indians in my state of South Dakota used the blood root salve for many 
years, before anyone else ever sold it.  Most old timers, and ranchers had 
access to it in the 30's and 40's,  It gained popularity in the 50's. Was sold 
at Wall Drug




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Re: CS20 mule team BORAX

[nessie]

Hm:
Well you got me. Maybe someone else  will come to 
the rescue..???

 nessie..
*

nessie wrote:

Well..
  I will try and help a little here.. 1 Teaspoon is equal to 
4.72 gms.. Note that's grams which is 1720 milligrams.



***

 Marshall Dudley wrote:
But that depends on the density. That is for, I am guessing water, 
right?  Borax shows a weight of 1.73 g/cm^3, so in that case it would 
be closer to 2 grams per teaspoon. However borax powder has a good bit 
of air in it, so maybe not.


Boron is only 10.6% of the weight in borax, so 1,000 mg of borax, 
contains only 106 mg of borax, which is only about 3 times high, 
instead of 30 times high.







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Re: CSbaking soda/aluminum?

[Deborah Gerard]

From what I understand it does I get mine from the Health Food store says 
right on the can no aluminum...we have to be so careful these days...debbie

jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net wrote:  Does regular baking soda have 
aluminum in it? Thanks, Jess
-Original Message-
From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:53 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRe: Folic acid


I use a little baking soda, without aluminum in it, in a little water and get 
instant relief...beware though you burp really loud...haha

Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote:   Is not something like bicarbonate better for 
'heartburn' (indigestion) than
prescription meds. My husband took these things for years and completely
messed his digestive system up. He now gets no pain at all since he's
stopped taking them. Dee 



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From: brick...@aol.com 

Date: 06/17/07 20:25:09 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CSRe: Folic acid 





I am also trying to stop taking Prilosec. I take 15 drops of 5% Hcl with
each meal. Dr Mercola says to take Tagamet 2 per day for 2 months as
heartburn returns as soon as I stopped Prilosec. Does the Hcl and Tagamet
counteract? I am at the 3 weeks of no Prilosec and currently am taking both.


Brickey 


















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CSDifferent Boron Compounds

[CWFugitt]

Does anyone know the different compounds or forms of Boron ?

Only one is mentioned below.

I wonder how I missed this all these years?   Maybe I have been getting 
enough and not knowing it.


Wayne

===  A few facts about Boron

Description:

Boron is a trace mineral that exhibits properties of both metals and 
minerals. It has a unique ability to bind with what scientists call 
hydroxyl groups. Because of this property, boron binds with many substances 
that have biological activity in the body. Some of these substances include 
sugars and other elements that have to do with the production of energy, 
such as vitamin B6, riboflavin (vitamin B2), and the oxidized form of 
vitamin C, (dehydroascorbate) and elements within the nucleus of cells, 
such as nucleotides.


Scientists have recognized two biologically active boron compounds made in 
nature, both of which are natural antibiotics, effective against bacteria. 
Calcium borogluconate, however, is the active form in human nutrition.


In 1945 a scientific report showed that supplemental boron in the diet of 
rats enhanced survival of those animals and elevated liver glycogen. This 
was observed in potassium deficient rats.


In 1981 Drs. Hunt and Neilson proved that boron had a marked influence on 
the amino acid methionine, as well as on potassium, magnesium, vitamin D3, 
manganese and calcium levels in animals. Thus, boron plays an important 
role in human nutrition. The most significant study came in 1986, when Dr. 
Curtis Hunt studied the effects of aluminum, magnesium and boron on major 
mineral metabolism in postmenopausal women between the ages of 48 and 82, 
in a housed metabolic unit. In this study the boron supplemented group 
received 3 mg. of boron per day showing a marked effect on the metabolism 
of several minerals.


==
If you google Calcium borogluconate, a lot is mentioned about animals and
a little is mentioned about humans.
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Re: CS20 mule team BORAX -- Please Help

[Bruce Anderson]

I hope this helps.
Bruce

Found  DaddyBobs email on Boraxsee below.

SS

 I've used CMO for years now and have reported what it has done for me
 several times.

 Now if you really want that relief to go into high gear, get Boron into
 your
 diet. It will do things that CMO won't, and the two together are a 
one-two

 punch against arthritis.

 But to stay on the topic of CS- it was MSM that gave me my first real
 arthritis relief, but the whole time I took it, I could feel the pain
 seething underneath like a caged animal, and if I didn't take massive
 doses
 of MSM, the animal lashed out. CS is what stopped all that. Just a few
 weeks
 of taking a pint daily of CS stopped all my seething chronic pain back in
 2000.

 When you have been badly damaged by whatever cause of arthritis, no 
matter
 how you may rid yourself of the cause, you are left with 
osteo-arthritis.

 That's where CMO and Boron really make a difference.

 To test this for your self cheap and easy...and I ask anyone reading this
 not to jump to conclusions and start flaming me about it*...start 
dipping

 a
 wet fingertip, up to the first joint, into BORAX (yes 20 Mule Team Borax)
 and lick it off, at least once a day, going up to perhaps 4 times a day
 until you get the relief you need. The first thing you may notice is that
 the finger you use may start to feel better.

 *Borax is mined out of the ground and is perfectly edible, despite being
 sold as a laundry cleaner complete with warnings not to eat it because
 They
 (The Powers That Be) don't want you to know how effective it is. TOO 
much,

 as in spoonfuls, is poisonous, but what won't kill you if you take TOO
 much?

 If you're squeamish about doing it that way, then get yourself a boron
 supplement. I will not entertain arguments from
 non-supplement-get-it-all-from
-food freaks. You cannot get enough boron
 that
 way to get this ball rolling if you have severe arthritis. Forget it. I
 personally am now using Twin Labs Tri-Boron. Most people on this list are
 not of that extreme mindset anyway, since CS is definitely not available
 as
 food.

 Daddybob




Meggan Gaumer wrote:
Bruce, I was scanning this conversation but am unable to tell if you 
got your answer. my mom is very interested in trying this, so if you 
did get your answer and I missed it somehow, could you possibly 
forward it to me.

thanks
Meg'gan
mlgst...@gmail.com mailto:mlgst...@gmail.com

 
On 6/13/07, *Bruce Anderson* bruce...@btes.tv 
mailto:bruce...@btes.tv wrote:


Greetings all:
Again I turn to the members pf the Silver List for help.
I have gone through all my saved mail and can not find and can not
find
the mail I thought I had saved on Boron/Borax.

From memory, Daddy Bob,  I think said to wet the index finger to the
first joint from the tip, stick it into the borax and lick it off.
I don't remember how often to do this or how long before results.

Also, the 20 MULE TEAM BORAX I bought was made by DIAL corp. and has a
warning: CAUTION: Contains sodium tetraborate decahydrate.  Avoid
contact with eyes.  Do not take internally.
Have I got the wrong product or is this a pharma scare tactic?

Best regards;
Bruce A.







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Re: CSbaking soda/aluminum?

[sol]

I think you are both confusing baking soda (pure sodium bicarbonate) 
with baking powder which has sodium bicarbonate as one of its several  
ingredients.

sol

Deborah Gerard wrote:
From what I understand it does I get mine from the Health Food store 
says right on the can no aluminum...we have to be so careful these 
days...debbie


*/jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net/* wrote:

Does regular baking soda have aluminum in it? Thanks, Jess




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Re: CSbaking soda/aluminum?

[sol]

I think you are both confusing baking soda (pure sodium bicarbonate) 
with baking powder which has sodium bicarbonate as one of its several  
ingredients.

sol

Deborah Gerard wrote:
From what I understand it does I get mine from the Health Food store 
says right on the can no aluminum...we have to be so careful these 
days...debbie


*/jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net/* wrote:

Does regular baking soda have aluminum in it? Thanks, Jess




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CSBoron

[Pat]

3 mg boron caps are very cheap:  $5.95 for non-members for 100.
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00621.html Cheaper elsewhere probably, 
but might not be in a form as easily absorbed.


Pat




  

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CSBoron Binding question

[CWFugitt]

   I think boron may bind with some of the essential sugars which in turn 
effects intercellular communications.


Essential Sugars are not Aspartame and NurtiSweet.

There are eight total and most Americans are deficient in one or more.

If anyone has any information, please send it to me.

I found one other form of boron. ( boron citrate)
Several more may exist.

Likely one is better than the others.

Wayne

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Re: CSCS and Pets

[Norine Twaddell]

Hi Dee...I am  no brainiac like other on the list so I hate to reply here BUT 
you addressed me  ... 

You weigh out the use of antibiotics.  Lyme is serious.  I got rid of lyme 
myself once without using anitbiotics ( I used other things in addition to CS). 
 I had used antibiotics the first time I got Lyme disease. With my dogs I used 
antibiotics when there were symptoms of lyme.  A short course of a regular 
strength antibiotic does it with dogs.  I now use a: good for the dog, good for 
people, good for the earth pest repellent on my dogs and have not had any nasty 
rounds with the indsidious spirochete in many years.  I see  very very few 
ticks, compared to others in my area.  If I did see sings of a lyme outbreak 
today, in the dogs, not sure what I would opt for.

The question I was trying to ask was... for hip problems how do you get the CS 
to the source of the infection (if it is an infection) ...Norine

Norine Twaddell CDBC, CPDT
www.dogventures.com


- Original Message - 
From: Dee  d...@deetroy.org
To: Norine Twaddell ntwadd...@earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: CSCS and Pets


I too am confused Norinne.  Isn't the main purpose of CS to take the place
 of anti-biotics?  AB's are so detrimental to the whole immune system, I
 would have thought they should be avoided at all costs, unless *absolutely*
 unavoidable.  Dee
 
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 ---Original Message--- 
 
 From: Norine Twaddell 
 Date: 06/18/07 04:22:09 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Subject: Re: CSCS and Pets 

 I am a little confused Debbie. CS for hip problems? I thought CS had to come 
directly in contact with an infection to have an effect. R U sure this is an 
infection? If you think it is lyme a course of antibiotics knocks it out in 
animals. If it is not an infection there is a lot you can do for joint 
problems. Have you had a professional look at the dog yet? 

CSCS protocols for congestive heart failure (CHF) AND idiopathic interstitial lung disease (IILD)

[Denise Rollheiser]

My father and my partner both suffer from CHF (Dad was diagnosed 2 weeks ago, 
Guy a number of years ago).  Guy also suffers from IILD.

If anyone can provide protocol(s) for using CS to assist with either of these 
diseases or at least connect me with lists that can provide some guidance, I 
would be forever grateful.  While my Dad will celebrate his 90 b'day in Jan 08, 
his quality of life has deteriorated majorly since his Dx; Guy will be 60 in 
Nov 07 and I would like to have more time with him than less (his lung 
specialist has said that in the patients he has seen/sees with IILD - from 
diagnosis to lung failure is between 4-5 years...Guy was Dx'd about 18 months 
ago.)

Thanks.

Denise
neec...@sasktel.net