Re: CSdifference of opinions
... I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. Welcome Dave, If you're following Beck's protocol for making silver there might be some things you can do to update your method. The general consensus these days is to *NOT* use any kind of starter to speed up the process except for maybe leaving some of the previous batch in the jar. Some of our local experts have determined that limiting the current density at the electrode surface will prevent agglomeration, keeping the particle size low and promoting the ionic component up to the solubility limits of silver in the water. The result is clear, colorless, with a faint Tyndall effect, and stable. Let us know how you're making it and we'll be able to suggest specifics for your setup. (Voltage, current, electrode geometry, timing, temperature, whatever else you think describes your recipe...) Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAlkalizing
Your EIS generator makes Alkaline water in equal proportion to silver ions. Date 2006 Upon looking into Alkaline water and the machines used to make it, it appears that the process is similar to making EIS, but the [hydronium?] ions and hydroxyl anions are kept apart by use of a membrane interface. Alkaline water is said to have a bitter flavor. To see if that's the case, I ran a quick and dirty experiment: Setup: Two tall narrow glass jiggers set side by side with distilled water in each and a loop of stainless steel welding rod between them to make an electrical connection. Placed the silver electrodes of a generator, [DC output mode] each one in each jigger, not touching the stainless loop connector and ran the arrangement for a while. [I don't see *why* that would actually work, but it apparently did...] Removed everything, tasted the water. One had metallic flavor, the other bitter. Added a drop H2O2 to each jigger, one flashed brown [silver ions], the other had no effect [no silver ions] Conclusion: [**] Very fresh CS is made of Alkaline water and free silver ions. Alkaline water is water that is high in Hydroxyl radicals but doesn't have opposite charged ions to neutralize it. [??] Alkaline water supposedly oxygenates the blood and acts like a free radical scavenger. [As does, supposedly, Ozone and Peroxide therapy, all of which have similar radical Oxygen dangle atoms...O1 vs the normal O2] Date 2009 Possibly Faulty memory seems to recall the use of salt in Alky water makers Least-ways, in *this* one... http://www.hiddencures.com/ionizer.htm Frequently Asked Questions Q: Do you need to add minerals, and what kind? A: Yes, minerals are required in order for the ionizer to work. I have found that the most effective mineral to add is salt. Salt is needed to make the water conductive so that the ionizer will work. Ohhh Kay. If salt is used, one electrode makes Hypochlorus acid and the other, sodium hydroxide [Lye] which will definitely make that water Alkaline. From the handy dandy household cleaner article that sheds light on what blood electrifiers aka Zappers, might actually be doing. [Controllable Electro-Chemo-Therapy? or an MMS analog with an antidote right around the corner...not a blood electrolizer but a blood electro-chemicalizer, cuz blood is bloody salty] ..easier to just add a few Lye crystals to water. [And turn it into salt water when it hits the ole tummy] http://www.housekeepingchannel.com/a_820-Electrolyzed_Water_Alternative_to_Chemical_Cleaners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysed_water http://www.psfk.com/2009/02/electrolyzed-water-miracle-cleaning-fluid-made-from-water-salt.html Ode At 12:37 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: Hi Marshall, Can you tell me how you make alkalized water? I think my pH is way off too and I'm interested in getting squared away! Thx. Lisa -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing Well, my wife and I have been using the alkalized water now for about a week I guess. She has also gotten all the green stuff to go with the diet, and is eating mostly alkaline foods. Her pH has gone from 5.5 to 6.0/6.25 range first thing in the morning. Mine went from 6.75 to 8 yesterday, which is too alkaline, so I switched back to eating more acid foods, but this morning it is 8.5, which is way too alkaline. I am going to have to start drinking untreated water, to try and get back in balance. However it seems that her insomnia has gone away as well as most of her pains. Marshall Dianne France wrote: Marshall I really hope you will keep us updated on the results. Wish the best for your wife. I am also diabetic and have to watch but think I am holding my own right now. Would love to rid myself of this disease. I think the better fats help. Since everyone has gone to the canola oils etc. I think there is more incidence of the disease. Dianne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver list at Eskimo
Hey..it's not my list...I've just been on it a long time. ..and have lots of crazy ideas. Some half baked, a few over toasted...with the occasional accident that works. [wink] It's Mike Devours list. Ode At 09:42 AM 10/5/2009 -0700, you wrote: Hi Nessie and other Appriciated members! I'm a new member. But have found very needful info on this site! Ode is a wonderful man. But terribly buisy! I am asking that the members that also have CS usage help Ode keep this list going. I'm a retired Intel comp. tech. with qwite a lot of time help. But don't have the aquired knowledge that you have. So if any of you would like to get together on e-mail. Then let's see what we can do! Regards, Larry -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS
You can turn blue from over consumption of ANY sort of silver preparation...but even worse case, it's extremely rare. The problem that the few have had using home made CS [EIS] is that they had zero idea how strong they made it, [the commonly parroted instructions of 1PPM per Minute is simply not true, ESPECIALLY if you used salt or tap water ] used a LOT of it and were one out of those several thousand that had an abnormal metals elimination system. Byron J. Richards [founder of Wellness Resources] sells colloidal silver [MSP] and so has a reason to DIS a much safer and more effective DIRT CHEAP home made product. Colloidal Silver * Pharmaceutical grade mild silver protein * Superior quality and concentration Wellness Resources® Colloidal Silver is a high-grade mild silver protein nutritional supplement. $27.20 for 4 Oz http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/colloidal_silver.php PS He plagiarized most of that article from the [Copy wronged] Parrots Union archives. Ode At 06:58 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: I read this article and it's quite interesting: however, it bothered me to read the following excerpt: The issue is complicated by the fact that not all colloidal silver products are of the same quality. Products made at home or by the use of electrical charges to ionize and suspend the silver are products not worth taking. They are typically clear in color, are lucky to have any potency after two weeks, and run a much higher risk for silver depositing in the skin (argyria). Does this mean that the Silver Puppy I just spent $150+ is producing less than optimal EIS/CS ??? AND on top of that it may cause argyria? I've been taking a shot glass worth every day (as my children are) to prevent any flu from entering the household. I was planning on doing this through November. Am I doing the right thing? Please, I'd like to hear some feedback regarding these matters Thx Lisa -Original Message- From: Hanneke [mailto:bloss...@internode.on.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS By Byron J. Richards, CCN October 3, 2009 NewsWithViews.com Colloidal silver is the product the FDA and many mainstream medical people love to hate. Listening to them you would think every person taking colloidal silver is going to turn gray with silver accumulation in their skin (argyria). Their worst nightmare is people taking colloidal silver to combat the H1N1 swine flu - the nightmare for them is that it might actually work. Since I am a health professional who has utilized colloidal silver in practice for more than 15 years with thousands of people, I'm more than happy to share some insights on the subject. For full article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron184.htm --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091004-0, 04/10/2009 Tested on: 6/10/2009 9:12:54 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMMS and MRSA
My GFs daughter lost 150 pounds and has kept it off for 9 yearsactually sorta skinny now. She had 3 kids, now ages 6-9... walks them EVERYWHERE that's less than a few miles...to and from school a mile away, to and from the PX All 4 are like skinny little rails. She was..how to put this delicately... ummm a FAT, lazy, self centered bitch! Now she's a skinny little screaming self centered bitch..but getting better as she grows up Kids LIKE to walk places...once you get them going. [They can be trained to not poop in the neighbors yard too ] When I was a kid, I got a whack from stick if I whined and a big fat NO just because I was whiny...never mind what the what was. ..doesn't take long to figure out *that* doesn't work. My Mom never bothered to scream at us...WHACK! ...and you KNOW why. [She was never a bitch] Ode At 07:49 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: I was walking on a treadmill for a little bit -- but of course something comes up and it gets me off track (literally). I've got 3 kids and am primary caretaker (husband works awful hours and is rarely home and lately working 7 days a week). The twins keep me busy (they just turned four) and lately all of them seem to be acting up more than usual and I'm sure it's a result from Daddy not being home. So...yea, whine whine whine -- got to tell them NO and say Mommy needs 20 minutes on the treadmill and for them to not try and get on it or they'll get an OWIE ! L - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Native American stories--OT
Gangsta cultural influence came about with integration. Working mothers, semi orphaned kids seek new families. Gangstas have nothing better to do than be that new family. Gangsta is a culture of blame and victim-hood used to justify lashing out and manipulating others vs accomplishment Political Correctness prohibits reasonable discussions. ode At 10:31 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: I totally agree! Donna ACS This is nothing to do with the belief or disbelief in God. It is because children are no longer taught from the cradle up, to respect other people and other people's property. There is no discipline and no deterrents, so what do we all expect? Society is reaping the benefits? I think not. dee On 5 Oct 2009, at 02:44, Bruce Anderson wrote: Dear Cindi: I am 72yoa. When I was in school most of the boys, and some of the girls, carried pocket knives. We whittled sticks, cut string, etc. and sometimes cut ourselves and the teacher might give us a band-aid. The serious offenses were running in the halls, chewing gum / talking in class and paper wads. NOW it's murder, stabbings, drugs, rape and assault and battery. But then, that is after they ask God to leave. This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian principles The Pledge of allegence contains one nation under God Even our money states In God we trust -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMMS and MRSA
Funny Ode! I'd love to walk my kids places too...but we're rural and they're schools at least 4 miles away, plus no sidewalks and roads are twisty and curvy and unfortunately nobody pays attention to the 35 mph speed limit! That won't stop me from getting back on the treadmill though -- I owe it to myself AND my kids to feel better and have more energy :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMMS and MRSA My GFs daughter lost 150 pounds and has kept it off for 9 yearsactually sorta skinny now. She had 3 kids, now ages 6-9... walks them EVERYWHERE that's less than a few miles...to and from school a mile away, to and from the PX All 4 are like skinny little rails. She was..how to put this delicately... ummm a FAT, lazy, self centered bitch! Now she's a skinny little screaming self centered bitch..but getting better as she grows up Kids LIKE to walk places...once you get them going. [They can be trained to not poop in the neighbors yard too ] When I was a kid, I got a whack from stick if I whined and a big fat NO just because I was whiny...never mind what the what was. ..doesn't take long to figure out *that* doesn't work. My Mom never bothered to scream at us...WHACK! ...and you KNOW why. [She was never a bitch] Ode At 07:49 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: I was walking on a treadmill for a little bit -- but of course something comes up and it gets me off track (literally). I've got 3 kids and am primary caretaker (husband works awful hours and is rarely home and lately working 7 days a week). The twins keep me busy (they just turned four) and lately all of them seem to be acting up more than usual and I'm sure it's a result from Daddy not being home. So...yea, whine whine whine -- got to tell them NO and say Mommy needs 20 minutes on the treadmill and for them to not try and get on it or they'll get an OWIE ! L - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAlkalizing
I hate to admit it -- but I'm *totally* confused now. I made several batches of EIS and stored them in a half gallon container. Now being 3 days old it's definitely taken on a metallic type taste. I used DW in most of the batches and forgot to use it one time and wound up using our tap water which is actually well water. We do have a higher level of iron in ours so we use a Brita filter when we drink it. Should I be adding a pinch of salt to my water? And could I stick with my well water (after awhile DW does add up in cost -- since I'm not working)! And if I use salt...is Himalayan sea salt ok? Thx Lisa -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing Your EIS generator makes Alkaline water in equal proportion to silver ions. Date 2006 Upon looking into Alkaline water and the machines used to make it, it appears that the process is similar to making EIS, but the [hydronium?] ions and hydroxyl anions are kept apart by use of a membrane interface. Alkaline water is said to have a bitter flavor. To see if that's the case, I ran a quick and dirty experiment: Setup: Two tall narrow glass jiggers set side by side with distilled water in each and a loop of stainless steel welding rod between them to make an electrical connection. Placed the silver electrodes of a generator, [DC output mode] each one in each jigger, not touching the stainless loop connector and ran the arrangement for a while. [I don't see *why* that would actually work, but it apparently did...] Removed everything, tasted the water. One had metallic flavor, the other bitter. Added a drop H2O2 to each jigger, one flashed brown [silver ions], the other had no effect [no silver ions] Conclusion: [**] Very fresh CS is made of Alkaline water and free silver ions. Alkaline water is water that is high in Hydroxyl radicals but doesn't have opposite charged ions to neutralize it. [??] Alkaline water supposedly oxygenates the blood and acts like a free radical scavenger. [As does, supposedly, Ozone and Peroxide therapy, all of which have similar radical Oxygen dangle atoms...O1 vs the normal O2] Date 2009 Possibly Faulty memory seems to recall the use of salt in Alky water makers Least-ways, in *this* one... http://www.hiddencures.com/ionizer.htm Frequently Asked Questions Q: Do you need to add minerals, and what kind? A: Yes, minerals are required in order for the ionizer to work. I have found that the most effective mineral to add is salt. Salt is needed to make the water conductive so that the ionizer will work. Ohhh Kay. If salt is used, one electrode makes Hypochlorus acid and the other, sodium hydroxide [Lye] which will definitely make that water Alkaline. From the handy dandy household cleaner article that sheds light on what blood electrifiers aka Zappers, might actually be doing. [Controllable Electro-Chemo-Therapy? or an MMS analog with an antidote right around the corner...not a blood electrolizer but a blood electro-chemicalizer, cuz blood is bloody salty] ..easier to just add a few Lye crystals to water. [And turn it into salt water when it hits the ole tummy] http://www.housekeepingchannel.com/a_820-Electrolyzed_Water_Alternative_to_C hemical_Cleaners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysed_water http://www.psfk.com/2009/02/electrolyzed-water-miracle-cleaning-fluid-made-f rom-water-salt.html Ode At 12:37 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: Hi Marshall, Can you tell me how you make alkalized water? I think my pH is way off too and I'm interested in getting squared away! Thx. Lisa -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing Well, my wife and I have been using the alkalized water now for about a week I guess. She has also gotten all the green stuff to go with the diet, and is eating mostly alkaline foods. Her pH has gone from 5.5 to 6.0/6.25 range first thing in the morning. Mine went from 6.75 to 8 yesterday, which is too alkaline, so I switched back to eating more acid foods, but this morning it is 8.5, which is way too alkaline. I am going to have to start drinking untreated water, to try and get back in balance. However it seems that her insomnia has gone away as well as most of her pains. Marshall Dianne France wrote: Marshall I really hope you will keep us updated on the results. Wish the best for your wife. I am also diabetic and have to watch but think I am holding my own right now. Would love to rid myself of this disease. I think the better fats help. Since everyone has gone to the canola oils etc. I think there is more incidence of the disease. Dianne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at:
RE: CSAlkalizing
...another note -- I have prill water too. Would this be the best to use over the DW and/or well water? -Original Message- From: Lisa [mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing I hate to admit it -- but I'm *totally* confused now. I made several batches of EIS and stored them in a half gallon container. Now being 3 days old it's definitely taken on a metallic type taste. I used DW in most of the batches and forgot to use it one time and wound up using our tap water which is actually well water. We do have a higher level of iron in ours so we use a Brita filter when we drink it. Should I be adding a pinch of salt to my water? And could I stick with my well water (after awhile DW does add up in cost -- since I'm not working)! And if I use salt...is Himalayan sea salt ok? Thx Lisa -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing Your EIS generator makes Alkaline water in equal proportion to silver ions. Date 2006 Upon looking into Alkaline water and the machines used to make it, it appears that the process is similar to making EIS, but the [hydronium?] ions and hydroxyl anions are kept apart by use of a membrane interface. Alkaline water is said to have a bitter flavor. To see if that's the case, I ran a quick and dirty experiment: Setup: Two tall narrow glass jiggers set side by side with distilled water in each and a loop of stainless steel welding rod between them to make an electrical connection. Placed the silver electrodes of a generator, [DC output mode] each one in each jigger, not touching the stainless loop connector and ran the arrangement for a while. [I don't see *why* that would actually work, but it apparently did...] Removed everything, tasted the water. One had metallic flavor, the other bitter. Added a drop H2O2 to each jigger, one flashed brown [silver ions], the other had no effect [no silver ions] Conclusion: [**] Very fresh CS is made of Alkaline water and free silver ions. Alkaline water is water that is high in Hydroxyl radicals but doesn't have opposite charged ions to neutralize it. [??] Alkaline water supposedly oxygenates the blood and acts like a free radical scavenger. [As does, supposedly, Ozone and Peroxide therapy, all of which have similar radical Oxygen dangle atoms...O1 vs the normal O2] Date 2009 Possibly Faulty memory seems to recall the use of salt in Alky water makers Least-ways, in *this* one... http://www.hiddencures.com/ionizer.htm Frequently Asked Questions Q: Do you need to add minerals, and what kind? A: Yes, minerals are required in order for the ionizer to work. I have found that the most effective mineral to add is salt. Salt is needed to make the water conductive so that the ionizer will work. Ohhh Kay. If salt is used, one electrode makes Hypochlorus acid and the other, sodium hydroxide [Lye] which will definitely make that water Alkaline. From the handy dandy household cleaner article that sheds light on what blood electrifiers aka Zappers, might actually be doing. [Controllable Electro-Chemo-Therapy? or an MMS analog with an antidote right around the corner...not a blood electrolizer but a blood electro-chemicalizer, cuz blood is bloody salty] ..easier to just add a few Lye crystals to water. [And turn it into salt water when it hits the ole tummy] http://www.housekeepingchannel.com/a_820-Electrolyzed_Water_Alternative_to_C hemical_Cleaners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysed_water http://www.psfk.com/2009/02/electrolyzed-water-miracle-cleaning-fluid-made-f rom-water-salt.html Ode At 12:37 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: Hi Marshall, Can you tell me how you make alkalized water? I think my pH is way off too and I'm interested in getting squared away! Thx. Lisa -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing Well, my wife and I have been using the alkalized water now for about a week I guess. She has also gotten all the green stuff to go with the diet, and is eating mostly alkaline foods. Her pH has gone from 5.5 to 6.0/6.25 range first thing in the morning. Mine went from 6.75 to 8 yesterday, which is too alkaline, so I switched back to eating more acid foods, but this morning it is 8.5, which is way too alkaline. I am going to have to start drinking untreated water, to try and get back in balance. However it seems that her insomnia has gone away as well as most of her pains. Marshall Dianne France wrote: Marshall I really hope you will keep us updated on the results. Wish the best for your wife. I am also diabetic and have to watch but think I am holding my own right now. Would love to rid myself of this disease.
RE: CSAlkalizing
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RE: CSMMS and MRSA
Thanks Dianne, I've already joined the MMS group and I think you're right - the DMSO group would be great to become a member too. THX L _ From: Dianne France [mailto:dianne_fra...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:53 PM To: silver-list Subject: RE: CSMMS and MRSA Lisa There are a couple groups on yahoo that you may want to consider joining that have lots of information on DMSO and MMS. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/miracle_mineral_supplement/ If you join the groups the files and information will be available for your reading at your leisure. You will probably have to copy and paste the web addresses as they don't seem to show up as links. Dianne From: blacksa...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMMS and MRSA Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:07:37 -0400 aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be indefinite as long as it is in a closed bottle. The only thing that can make it break down is acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
What's the heximer effect? _ From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 Dave, If you are concerned about the strength of what your making, how much do you use in a day? Do you ever notice the heximer affect? Debbie _ From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 6:44:33 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 Follow the money trail. If the writer stands to profit by you not making your own then take it with a grain of salt. The silver I make is at least 3 times as strong and the stuff I bought commercially before making my own, and the prices they charge seem totally unwarranted considering how inexpensive it is to make. JMHO zoe dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMMS and MRSA
Yes but that's by prescription... Is it hard to convince one's doctor to write it up OR can we get it overseas (being in the US) without one? -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Don't forget about LDN to increase your endorphins 300%! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be indefinite as long as it is in a closed bottle. The only thing that can make it break down is acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
I think Debbie might have meant to say Herxheimer effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction At 11:11 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: What's the heximer effect? -- From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 Dave, If you are concerned about the strength of what your making, how much do you use in a day? Do you ever notice the heximer affect? Debbie From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 6:44:33 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 Follow the money trail. If the writer stands to profit by you not making your own then take it with a grain of salt. The silver I make is at least 3 times as strong and the stuff I bought commercially before making my own, and the prices they charge seem totally unwarranted considering how inexpensive it is to make. JMHO zoe dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave - Original Message - From: mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.comsilver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: mailto:silver-dig...@eskimo.comsilver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com -- http://www.avast.comavast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091005-0, 05/10/2009 Tested on: 6/10/2009 11:15:42 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091005-0, 05/10/2009 Tested on: 6/10/2009 11:29:02 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
RE: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS
As even blind Freddy should be aware by now, smurf lovers consume anything BUT EIS so I would include here That would be excluding preparations consisting of the *big 3*...pure fine silver, Distilled Water and electricity ALONE. N. Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:20:57 -0400 To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: odecoy...@windstream.net Subject: RE: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS You can turn blue from over consumption of ANY sort of silver preparation...but even worse case, it's extremely rare. The problem that the few have had using home made CS [EIS] is that they had zero idea how strong they made it, [the commonly parroted instructions of 1PPM per Minute is simply not true, ESPECIALLY if you used salt or tap water ] used a LOT of it and were one out of those several thousand that had an abnormal metals elimination system. Byron J. Richards [founder of Wellness Resources] sells colloidal silver [MSP] and so has a reason to DIS a much safer and more effective DIRT CHEAP home made product. Colloidal Silver * Pharmaceutical grade mild silver protein * Superior quality and concentration Wellness Resources® Colloidal Silver is a high-grade mild silver protein nutritional supplement. $27.20 for 4 Oz http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/colloidal_silver.php PS He plagiarized most of that article from the [Copy wronged] Parrots Union archives. Ode At 06:58 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: I read this article and it's quite interesting: however, it bothered me to read the following excerpt: The issue is complicated by the fact that not all colloidal silver products are of the same quality. Products made at home or by the use of electrical charges to ionize and suspend the silver are products not worth taking. They are typically clear in color, are lucky to have any potency after two weeks, and run a much higher risk for silver depositing in the skin (argyria). Does this mean that the Silver Puppy I just spent $150+ is producing less than optimal EIS/CS ??? AND on top of that it may cause argyria? I've been taking a shot glass worth every day (as my children are) to prevent any flu from entering the household. I was planning on doing this through November. Am I doing the right thing? Please, I'd like to hear some feedback regarding these matters Thx Lisa -Original Message- From: Hanneke [mailto:bloss...@internode.on.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:43 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS By Byron J. Richards, CCN October 3, 2009 NewsWithViews.com Colloidal silver is the product the FDA and many mainstream medical people love to hate. Listening to them you would think every person taking colloidal silver is going to turn gray with silver accumulation in their skin (argyria). Their worst nightmare is people taking colloidal silver to combat the H1N1 swine flu - the nightmare for them is that it might actually work. Since I am a health professional who has utilized colloidal silver in practice for more than 15 years with thousands of people, I'm more than happy to share some insights on the subject. For full article: http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron184.htm --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091004-0, 04/10/2009 Tested on: 6/10/2009 9:12:54 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Need a place to rent, buy or share? Let us find your next place for you! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
Re: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS
This is from the Wellness Resources - Byron J Richards and usually, their articles are really good. Lord knows where they got this rubbish from - probably from a manufacturer of pure colloids or something. I don't think it helps to 'shoot the messenger' though! dee On 6 Oct 2009, at 00:23, Acmeair wrote: it would help if you posted whereever you found this little piece. there is nothing solid in that mess to refute. where did you read this, a magazine, or another news letter or where you might want to educate yourself a little better. jim Oct 5, 2009 03:59:01 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: I read this article and it's quite interesting: however, it bothered me to read the following excerpt: The issue is complicated by the fact that not all colloidal silver products are of the same quality. Products made at home or by the use of electrical charges to ionize and suspend the silver are products not worth taking. They are typically clear in color, are lucky to have any potency after two weeks, and run a much higher risk for silver depositing in the skin (argyria).
Re: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS
The article was written by Byron for this latest edition of Newswithviews. From earlier readings I had noticed that he is not quite knowledgeable about colloidal silver/EIS. At 11:43 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: This is from the Wellness Resources - Byron J Richards and usually, their articles are really good. Lord knows where they got this rubbish from - probably from a manufacturer of pure colloids or something. I don't think it helps to 'shoot the messenger' though! dee --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 091005-0, 05/10/2009 Tested on: 6/10/2009 11:52:58 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
We all make our own EIS and have wonderful results from using it. A product is only as good as the results it gets and my home- made gets marvelous results. I have recently cured dogs with sickness within hours of ingesting lots of small doses. The one who didn't have the silver (stupid woman owners fault) was in the vets on a drip. My friend who couldn't talk with laryngitis the other day is now chatting away almost fully recovered. The reason I cited the dogs in particular, was that you can't fool dogs into thinking they have a 'miracle.' They either get better or they don't! Simple. dee On 6 Oct 2009, at 02:37, dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAlkalizing
Hi Lisa, Stick to using DW or you'll be making other compounds you don't want. Peter - Original Message - From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:15 AM Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing I hate to admit it -- but I'm *totally* confused now. I made several batches of EIS and stored them in a half gallon container. Now being 3 days old it's definitely taken on a metallic type taste. I used DW in most of the batches and forgot to use it one time and wound up using our tap water which is actually well water. We do have a higher level of iron in ours so we use a Brita filter when we drink it. Should I be adding a pinch of salt to my water? And could I stick with my well water (after awhile DW does add up in cost -- since I'm not working)! And if I use salt...is Himalayan sea salt ok? Thx Lisa -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:42 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing Your EIS generator makes Alkaline water in equal proportion to silver ions. Date 2006 Upon looking into Alkaline water and the machines used to make it, it appears that the process is similar to making EIS, but the [hydronium?] ions and hydroxyl anions are kept apart by use of a membrane interface. Alkaline water is said to have a bitter flavor. To see if that's the case, I ran a quick and dirty experiment: Setup: Two tall narrow glass jiggers set side by side with distilled water in each and a loop of stainless steel welding rod between them to make an electrical connection. Placed the silver electrodes of a generator, [DC output mode] each one in each jigger, not touching the stainless loop connector and ran the arrangement for a while. [I don't see *why* that would actually work, but it apparently did...] Removed everything, tasted the water. One had metallic flavor, the other bitter. Added a drop H2O2 to each jigger, one flashed brown [silver ions], the other had no effect [no silver ions] Conclusion: [**] Very fresh CS is made of Alkaline water and free silver ions. Alkaline water is water that is high in Hydroxyl radicals but doesn't have opposite charged ions to neutralize it. [??] Alkaline water supposedly oxygenates the blood and acts like a free radical scavenger. [As does, supposedly, Ozone and Peroxide therapy, all of which have similar radical Oxygen dangle atoms...O1 vs the normal O2] Date 2009 Possibly Faulty memory seems to recall the use of salt in Alky water makers Least-ways, in *this* one... http://www.hiddencures.com/ionizer.htm Frequently Asked Questions Q: Do you need to add minerals, and what kind? A: Yes, minerals are required in order for the ionizer to work. I have found that the most effective mineral to add is salt. Salt is needed to make the water conductive so that the ionizer will work. Ohhh Kay. If salt is used, one electrode makes Hypochlorus acid and the other, sodium hydroxide [Lye] which will definitely make that water Alkaline. From the handy dandy household cleaner article that sheds light on what blood electrifiers aka Zappers, might actually be doing. [Controllable Electro-Chemo-Therapy? or an MMS analog with an antidote right around the corner...not a blood electrolizer but a blood electro-chemicalizer, cuz blood is bloody salty] ..easier to just add a few Lye crystals to water. [And turn it into salt water when it hits the ole tummy] http://www.housekeepingchannel.com/a_820-Electrolyzed_Water_Alternative_to_C hemical_Cleaners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysed_water http://www.psfk.com/2009/02/electrolyzed-water-miracle-cleaning-fluid-made-f rom-water-salt.html Ode At 12:37 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: Hi Marshall, Can you tell me how you make alkalized water? I think my pH is way off too and I'm interested in getting squared away! Thx. Lisa -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing Well, my wife and I have been using the alkalized water now for about a week I guess. She has also gotten all the green stuff to go with the diet, and is eating mostly alkaline foods. Her pH has gone from 5.5 to 6.0/6.25 range first thing in the morning. Mine went from 6.75 to 8 yesterday, which is too alkaline, so I switched back to eating more acid foods, but this morning it is 8.5, which is way too alkaline. I am going to have to start drinking untreated water, to try and get back in balance. However it seems that her insomnia has gone away as well as most of her pains. Marshall Dianne France wrote: Marshall I really hope you will keep us updated on the results. Wish the best for your wife. I am also diabetic and have to watch but think I am holding my own right now. Would love to rid myself of this disease. I think the better fats help. Since
RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
[you can't fool dogs into thinking they have a 'miracle.' They either get better or they don't! Simple] -Pezactly, try telling the vet your dog was fixed in less than 24 hours after MONTHS of his concoctions failed miserably. I know exactly where you're coming from. I made a point to let him know as well, he said he had heard of EIS...but that's ALL he said! Oh dear, how sad, too bad...but then I didn't particularly care what he thought anyway, I made my point which was the whole purpose of the excercise, less income for his business and me spreading the word about EIS to other animal lovers would be all he would've been thinking about. N. Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 From: d...@deetroy.org Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:14 +0100 To: silver-list@eskimo.com We all make our own EIS and have wonderful results from using it. A product is only as good as the results it gets and my home- made gets marvelous results. I have recently cured dogs with sickness within hours of ingesting lots of small doses. The one who didn't have the silver (stupid woman owners fault) was in the vets on a drip. My friend who couldn't talk with laryngitis the other day is now chatting away almost fully recovered. The reason I cited the dogs in particular, was that you can't fool dogs into thinking they have a 'miracle.' They either get better or they don't! Simple. dee On 6 Oct 2009, at 02:37, dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ View photos of singles in your area Click Here http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
Re: CSAlkalizing
Hi All, I just ran a few quick tests which verify what Ode has said. I did pH testing using test strips on 4 liquid samples and came up with this result: 1) Tap Water - pH of ~6 2) Ionized water from Jupiter Neptune Ionizer which uses only tap water (no added salt or minerals unless you choose to...I don't) - pH of ~10 when pushed to the upper limit. 3) DW - pH of ~5 4) Fresh EIS (made yesterday, at least and made using DW) - pH of ~6 My ionized water when made to around pH 7 to 7.5 tastes wonderfully fresh and clean, literally like a mountain spring, unlike my tap water, DW or RO water or most other waters I have tasted. I don't sell these ionizers but I love mine! In the first few weeks I used my ionized water I had to work up in quantity and pH very slowly because of the die-off effect it created in me. I couldn't believe it at the time so repeated the experiment several times to verify the findings (which always remained the same...die-off) Some say that ionized water has restructured molecules I think. I'm no chemist and can't refute or confirm that statement but I will say that it's the only water which I have ever received die-off from drinking (Herxheimer effect). That being said, it hasn't cured me of anything, that's for sure! (except for fat wallet syndrome) My ionizer uses only the minerals in the tap water to do its thing but can be used with supplemental calcium if desired. Peter - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:42 AM Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing Your EIS generator makes Alkaline water in equal proportion to silver ions. Date 2006 Upon looking into Alkaline water and the machines used to make it, it appears that the process is similar to making EIS, but the [hydronium?] ions and hydroxyl anions are kept apart by use of a membrane interface. Alkaline water is said to have a bitter flavor. To see if that's the case, I ran a quick and dirty experiment: Setup: Two tall narrow glass jiggers set side by side with distilled water in each and a loop of stainless steel welding rod between them to make an electrical connection. Placed the silver electrodes of a generator, [DC output mode] each one in each jigger, not touching the stainless loop connector and ran the arrangement for a while. [I don't see *why* that would actually work, but it apparently did...] Removed everything, tasted the water. One had metallic flavor, the other bitter. Added a drop H2O2 to each jigger, one flashed brown [silver ions], the other had no effect [no silver ions] Conclusion: [**] Very fresh CS is made of Alkaline water and free silver ions. Alkaline water is water that is high in Hydroxyl radicals but doesn't have opposite charged ions to neutralize it. [??] Alkaline water supposedly oxygenates the blood and acts like a free radical scavenger. [As does, supposedly, Ozone and Peroxide therapy, all of which have similar radical Oxygen dangle atoms...O1 vs the normal O2] Date 2009 Possibly Faulty memory seems to recall the use of salt in Alky water makers Least-ways, in *this* one... http://www.hiddencures.com/ionizer.htm Frequently Asked Questions Q: Do you need to add minerals, and what kind? A: Yes, minerals are required in order for the ionizer to work. I have found that the most effective mineral to add is salt. Salt is needed to make the water conductive so that the ionizer will work. Ohhh Kay. If salt is used, one electrode makes Hypochlorus acid and the other, sodium hydroxide [Lye] which will definitely make that water Alkaline. From the handy dandy household cleaner article that sheds light on what blood electrifiers aka Zappers, might actually be doing. [Controllable Electro-Chemo-Therapy? or an MMS analog with an antidote right around the corner...not a blood electrolizer but a blood electro-chemicalizer, cuz blood is bloody salty] ..easier to just add a few Lye crystals to water. [And turn it into salt water when it hits the ole tummy] http://www.housekeepingchannel.com/a_820-Electrolyzed_Water_Alternative_to_Chemical_Cleaners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysed_water http://www.psfk.com/2009/02/electrolyzed-water-miracle-cleaning-fluid-made-from-water-salt.html Ode At 12:37 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: Hi Marshall, Can you tell me how you make alkalized water? I think my pH is way off too and I'm interested in getting squared away! Thx. Lisa -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing Well, my wife and I have been using the alkalized water now for about a week I guess. She has also gotten all the green stuff to go with the diet, and is eating mostly alkaline foods. Her pH has gone from 5.5 to 6.0/6.25 range first thing in the morning. Mine went from 6.75 to 8
Re: CSHelp! asthma, again
If we assume a dosage of 100,000 IU for a 200 pound adult, and a 3 year old weights 30 pounds, I would render a guess that 1/6, or about 15,000 would be right. Marshall Gina Moore wrote: Serrapeptase has come up a few times I should really look into it. I'm on several Lyme boards and it's one of the recommended things to take for that. This is the first I heard of it for asthma, but it makes sense! My next question would be... what is the recommended doses of all of those things (on the website you sent) for a 3 year old? I've heard 1/3 of the adult dose. Anyone know for sure what is ok for a 3 year old? Gina -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
I thnk she is referring to herxheimer reaction. Googling turns up: this reaction occurs when large amounts of toxins are released into the body as bacteria die, due to antibiotic treatment or detoxification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction Silver works as an antibiotic, so this reaction is known to occur using it. Kathryn On Oct 6, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Lisa wrote: What’s the heximer effect? From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 Dave, If you are concerned about the strength of what your making, how much do you use in a day? Do you ever notice the heximer affect? Debbie From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 6:44:33 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 Follow the money trail. If the writer stands to profit by you not making your own then take it with a grain of salt. The silver I make is at least 3 times as strong and the stuff I bought commercially before making my own, and the prices they charge seem totally unwarranted considering how inexpensive it is to make. JMHO zoe dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave --
Re: CSHelp! asthma, again
Sorry, I have absolutely no knowledge or wisdom to share on glaucoma. Wish I did. I do not think it has anything to do with blood pressure though. Marshall Sandee George wrote: Hi There Marshall - do you have the exact answer for glaucoma - I know it is a elevated pressure in the eyes however naturally does it go in line with actual high blood pressure or is the pressure in the eye caused from something else ? What would be the best natural way to reduce it ? Thanks as always for your input Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAlkalizing
Hi Peter, Will you share what ionizer you have? -Original Message- From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:07 AM To: Ode Coyote; silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing Hi All, I just ran a few quick tests which verify what Ode has said. I did pH testing using test strips on 4 liquid samples and came up with this result: 1) Tap Water - pH of ~6 2) Ionized water from Jupiter Neptune Ionizer which uses only tap water (no added salt or minerals unless you choose to...I don't) - pH of ~10 when pushed to the upper limit. 3) DW - pH of ~5 4) Fresh EIS (made yesterday, at least and made using DW) - pH of ~6 My ionized water when made to around pH 7 to 7.5 tastes wonderfully fresh and clean, literally like a mountain spring, unlike my tap water, DW or RO water or most other waters I have tasted. I don't sell these ionizers but I love mine! In the first few weeks I used my ionized water I had to work up in quantity and pH very slowly because of the die-off effect it created in me. I couldn't believe it at the time so repeated the experiment several times to verify the findings (which always remained the same...die-off) Some say that ionized water has restructured molecules I think. I'm no chemist and can't refute or confirm that statement but I will say that it's the only water which I have ever received die-off from drinking (Herxheimer effect). That being said, it hasn't cured me of anything, that's for sure! (except for fat wallet syndrome) My ionizer uses only the minerals in the tap water to do its thing but can be used with supplemental calcium if desired. Peter - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:42 AM Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing Your EIS generator makes Alkaline water in equal proportion to silver ions. Date 2006 Upon looking into Alkaline water and the machines used to make it, it appears that the process is similar to making EIS, but the [hydronium?] ions and hydroxyl anions are kept apart by use of a membrane interface. Alkaline water is said to have a bitter flavor. To see if that's the case, I ran a quick and dirty experiment: Setup: Two tall narrow glass jiggers set side by side with distilled water in each and a loop of stainless steel welding rod between them to make an electrical connection. Placed the silver electrodes of a generator, [DC output mode] each one in each jigger, not touching the stainless loop connector and ran the arrangement for a while. [I don't see *why* that would actually work, but it apparently did...] Removed everything, tasted the water. One had metallic flavor, the other bitter. Added a drop H2O2 to each jigger, one flashed brown [silver ions], the other had no effect [no silver ions] Conclusion: [**] Very fresh CS is made of Alkaline water and free silver ions. Alkaline water is water that is high in Hydroxyl radicals but doesn't have opposite charged ions to neutralize it. [??] Alkaline water supposedly oxygenates the blood and acts like a free radical scavenger. [As does, supposedly, Ozone and Peroxide therapy, all of which have similar radical Oxygen dangle atoms...O1 vs the normal O2] Date 2009 Possibly Faulty memory seems to recall the use of salt in Alky water makers Least-ways, in *this* one... http://www.hiddencures.com/ionizer.htm Frequently Asked Questions Q: Do you need to add minerals, and what kind? A: Yes, minerals are required in order for the ionizer to work. I have found that the most effective mineral to add is salt. Salt is needed to make the water conductive so that the ionizer will work. Ohhh Kay. If salt is used, one electrode makes Hypochlorus acid and the other, sodium hydroxide [Lye] which will definitely make that water Alkaline. From the handy dandy household cleaner article that sheds light on what blood electrifiers aka Zappers, might actually be doing. [Controllable Electro-Chemo-Therapy? or an MMS analog with an antidote right around the corner...not a blood electrolizer but a blood electro-chemicalizer, cuz blood is bloody salty] ..easier to just add a few Lye crystals to water. [And turn it into salt water when it hits the ole tummy] http://www.housekeepingchannel.com/a_820-Electrolyzed_Water_Alternative_to_C hemical_Cleaners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysed_water http://www.psfk.com/2009/02/electrolyzed-water-miracle-cleaning-fluid-made-f rom-water-salt.html Ode At 12:37 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: Hi Marshall, Can you tell me how you make alkalized water? I think my pH is way off too and I'm interested in getting squared away! Thx. Lisa -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:12 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing Well, my
Re: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS
That is pure BS, absolutely no truth to it at all. Home made when done properly is the best you can get. Please read http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html for some good reliable information. Marshall Lisa wrote: I read this article and it's quite interesting: however, it bothered me to read the following excerpt: The issue is complicated by the fact that not all colloidal silver products are of the same quality. Products made at home or by the use of electrical charges to ionize and suspend the silver are products not worth taking. They are typically clear in color, are lucky to have any potency after two weeks, and run a much higher risk for silver depositing in the skin (argyria). Does this mean that the Silver Puppy I just spent $150+ is producing less than optimal EIS/CS ??? AND on top of that it may cause argyria? I've been taking a shot glass worth every day (as my children are) to prevent any flu from entering the household. I was planning on doing this through November. Am I doing the right thing? Please, I'd like to hear some feedback regarding these matters Thx Lisa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdifference of opinions
Of course, those who are selling colloidal silver are trying to make some money at it, which is fine, but in doing so they are mistakenly criticizing those who make it at home. Properly made, electrically isolated silver water, will beat store bought any time in my opinion, because it is fresher, and I have found that even well made silver that sits on the shelf needs shaking or something. There are a few brands I still buy and use when necessary, and they work fine, but it costs much more than what I make. Whether or not one's home made silver water is superior to store bought depends entirely on the materials and the process, which determines what we end up with. Using pure water, pure silver, and a current controlled power source will yield ions of silver in solution in the water. You can't get any better than that, in my opinion. Kathryn On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:33 PM, dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
CSRe: Re Glaucoma
Thanks Marshall, am going to see an eye doctor here today and will hopefully get out of him some facts which are missing from my information bank - will share what I learn when I am done with this ! Take good care As always many thanks for giving me your time REgards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water
Hi Lisa, Good for you for posting your questions. I am confused as to why you want ionized water. You are making it with your set up- the electrodes (silver wires) do electrolyze the water. Some have said that to get alkaline water simply move one of the wires to a different container of water, so each wires is in it's own jar. One jar will have - ions, the other will have + ions, at least in theory. Somebody else have more? kathryn On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Lisa wrote: Hi Steve, I'm glad you weren't irritated with me -- I didn't even think that (I believe Jim is irritated with ME since I didn't realize you were posting that article as something that stated untruths). I'm here to learn, educate myself and keep myself and my family healthy, protected and safe without all the garbage that both the food industry tries to shove down our throats AND big pharma in trying to convince us that every little hiccup in our lives is a disease and they have a pill to fix it. I'm glad that what I have can make us EIS/CS that is safe, effective and doesn't seem to have an issue with generous amounts when taking it. Now if I can only figure out how to ionize water cheaply without buying a machine that costs $1000's !!! Lisa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water
H...I guess then I'm confused with ionized and alkalinized. The Kangen water filters etc., I thought these created ionized water and the EIS was different. I have a tendency to get wrapped up into the latest and greatest without knowing exactly what's going on. Hence, the confusion and if I'm getting ionized water with my EIS -- yea! I'll have to go back and try to understand the alkalinized part. Thx. -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water Hi Lisa, Good for you for posting your questions. I am confused as to why you want ionized water. You are making it with your set up- the electrodes (silver wires) do electrolyze the water. Some have said that to get alkaline water simply move one of the wires to a different container of water, so each wires is in it's own jar. One jar will have - ions, the other will have + ions, at least in theory. Somebody else have more? kathryn On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Lisa wrote: Hi Steve, I'm glad you weren't irritated with me -- I didn't even think that (I believe Jim is irritated with ME since I didn't realize you were posting that article as something that stated untruths). I'm here to learn, educate myself and keep myself and my family healthy, protected and safe without all the garbage that both the food industry tries to shove down our throats AND big pharma in trying to convince us that every little hiccup in our lives is a disease and they have a pill to fix it. I'm glad that what I have can make us EIS/CS that is safe, effective and doesn't seem to have an issue with generous amounts when taking it. Now if I can only figure out how to ionize water cheaply without buying a machine that costs $1000's !!! Lisa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdifference of opinions
At this point I am not convinced that true colloidal is superior to ionic. My suspicion is that even the colloidal is converted to ionic form in the body. I have no proof though but neither do they. Most processes in our bodies involve electrically charged molecules. Delivery of the silver to the pathogen is the biggest issue in my mind. Cell membranes and the cell walls of pathogens are composed of lipid molecules with receptors and channels that open in response to certain molecules, like DMSO. If anything I would put my efforts to enhance delivery into DMSO rather than into dosing myself with a non-charged electrically neutral atom of silver. Over a period of years I have used gallons of very high quality commercial CS. Although the methods I use to evaluate are totally subjective I can say I have not noticed a greater effect with the high voltage commercial CS products which were from more than one mfg. It's really hard to for me to believe someone who is selling a product try and tell me that I need to pay so much more for their product without any real proof. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS and MRSA
Do you have an fields or woods around you could walk in? I prefer to walk in the woods over urban areas any time. Marshall Lisa wrote: Funny Ode! I'd love to walk my kids places too...but we're rural and they're schools at least 4 miles away, plus no sidewalks and roads are twisty and curvy and unfortunately nobody pays attention to the 35 mph speed limit! That won't stop me from getting back on the treadmill though -- I owe it to myself AND my kids to feel better and have more energy :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMMS and MRSA My GFs daughter lost 150 pounds and has kept it off for 9 yearsactually sorta skinny now. She had 3 kids, now ages 6-9... walks them EVERYWHERE that's less than a few miles...to and from school a mile away, to and from the PX All 4 are like skinny little rails. She was..how to put this delicately... ummm a FAT, lazy, self centered bitch! Now she's a skinny little screaming self centered bitch..but getting better as she grows up Kids LIKE to walk places...once you get them going. [They can be trained to not poop in the neighbors yard too ] When I was a kid, I got a whack from stick if I whined and a big fat NO just because I was whiny...never mind what the what was. ..doesn't take long to figure out *that* doesn't work. My Mom never bothered to scream at us...WHACK! ...and you KNOW why. [She was never a bitch] Ode At 07:49 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: I was walking on a treadmill for a little bit -- but of course something comes up and it gets me off track (literally). I've got 3 kids and am primary caretaker (husband works awful hours and is rarely home and lately working 7 days a week). The twins keep me busy (they just turned four) and lately all of them seem to be acting up more than usual and I'm sure it's a result from Daddy not being home. So...yea, whine whine whine -- got to tell them NO and say Mommy needs 20 minutes on the treadmill and for them to not try and get on it or they'll get an OWIE ! L - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDental Issues
I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth
Re: CSDental Issues
H202 mixed into a paste with sodium bicarbonate will help control the periodontal infections by brushing as you normally would. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.comwrote: I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth
Re: CSDental Issues
There is a really inexpensive book called Good Teeth from Birth to Death available on the internet. just substitute CS/EIS where he uses H2O2. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.comwrote: I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
CSMaking CS
Lisa wrote: I hate to admit it -- but I'm *totally* confused now. I made several batches of EIS and stored them in a half gallon container. Now being 3 days old it's definitely taken on a metallic type taste. I used DW in most of the batches and forgot to use it one time and wound up using our tap water which is actually well water. We do have a higher level of iron in ours so we use a Brita filter when we drink it. Use the one from well water for adding to your plants, or topically, I would not drink it. Should I be adding a pinch of salt to my water? No, never. And could I stick with my well water (after awhile DW does add up in cost -- since I'm not working)! And if I use salt...is Himalayan sea salt ok? No, it produces silver salts, not collidal silver ( EIS ). Marshall Thx Lisa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water
You are making distilled water into water with silver ions in it. This is not the same as the ionized water that people talk about. There are many types of ions, silver is just one of them. But for purposes related to medical benefits of silver you do not want other ions in your EIS, just the silver. Buy a water distiller from www. wholesalewaterdistillers .com - remove spaces. They are about $130 for a one gallon unit. I have had mine for 6 years and I make all of my drinking water with it as I am on city water. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: H...I guess then I'm confused with ionized and alkalinized. The Kangen water filters etc., I thought these created ionized water and the EIS was different. I have a tendency to get wrapped up into the latest and greatest without knowing exactly what's going on. Hence, the confusion and if I'm getting ionized water with my EIS -- yea! I'll have to go back and try to understand the alkalinized part. Thx. -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water Hi Lisa, Good for you for posting your questions. I am confused as to why you want ionized water. You are making it with your set up- the electrodes (silver wires) do electrolyze the water. Some have said that to get alkaline water simply move one of the wires to a different container of water, so each wires is in it's own jar. One jar will have - ions, the other will have + ions, at least in theory. Somebody else have more? kathryn On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Lisa wrote: Hi Steve, I'm glad you weren't irritated with me -- I didn't even think that (I believe Jim is irritated with ME since I didn't realize you were posting that article as something that stated untruths). I'm here to learn, educate myself and keep myself and my family healthy, protected and safe without all the garbage that both the food industry tries to shove down our throats AND big pharma in trying to convince us that every little hiccup in our lives is a disease and they have a pill to fix it. I'm glad that what I have can make us EIS/CS that is safe, effective and doesn't seem to have an issue with generous amounts when taking it. Now if I can only figure out how to ionize water cheaply without buying a machine that costs $1000's !!! Lisa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDental Issues
Ipsab from Home Health works. The topical liquid. It has Prickly Ash Bark, an old remedy. Swab on twice daily. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Ruth Bertella wrote: I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMaking CS
Ok thanks...I'll have to throw out what I have as I made 3 batches and put them all in one glass half gallon jar. With three kids we'll go through it on a regular basis...that's why I was making some to stock up. I guess I'll try my silver puppy on a half gallon container and see how long it takes to make that work! L -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMaking CS Lisa wrote: I hate to admit it -- but I'm *totally* confused now. I made several batches of EIS and stored them in a half gallon container. Now being 3 days old it's definitely taken on a metallic type taste. I used DW in most of the batches and forgot to use it one time and wound up using our tap water which is actually well water. We do have a higher level of iron in ours so we use a Brita filter when we drink it. Use the one from well water for adding to your plants, or topically, I would not drink it. Should I be adding a pinch of salt to my water? No, never. And could I stick with my well water (after awhile DW does add up in cost -- since I'm not working)! And if I use salt...is Himalayan sea salt ok? No, it produces silver salts, not collidal silver ( EIS ). Marshall Thx Lisa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS and MRSA
You can order LDN without an Rx from www.alldaychemist.com Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: Yes but that's by prescription... Is it hard to convince one's doctor to write it up OR can we get it overseas (being in the US) without one? -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Don't forget about LDN to increase your endorphins 300%! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be indefinite as long as it is in a closed bottle. The only thing that can make it break down is acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
You will not find any conflict here on this. The reason is that no one here is trying to sell their stuff, we are all interested in what works best, period. You will not find any on the market that works better than what you can make. That is a simple fact borne out by over 100 man years of experience here. Marshall dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSArticle by Byron J. Richards re CS
http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/articles/the_colorful_history_of_colloidal_silver_other_silver_compounds/?source=Emailcamp=news100509 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCan this woman be saved?
I saw TV this morning a young woman became paralized from eating a store brought frozen ground beef contaminating E Coli. Do you think homemade CS would save her if drinking enough it when earlier symptoms appeared? Or MMS would be a better weapon? or may be both? opinion please. thanks. Helen
Re: CSAlkalizing
I stopped drinking the super alkaline water ( sodium citrate ) yesterday since my pH was 8 or higher, and ate acid foods, like turkey, and drunk a coke. My pH is now around 7.2 which is right where I want it. My wife's pH which has started at 5.5 or lower, and was 6.5 yesterday came in right at 7.0 to 7.2 today. Interestingly enough she is losing 2 to 3 pounds a day now, without significant exercise. We are having a bit of a problem keeping her glucose down. It seems that the body in trying to find acid to stabilize the pH is stripping her acid fat reserves, which is either converting to glucose, or being burned in place of glucose, elevating her glucose either way. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water
Although the water from making CS is alkalized, it is far from being alkalized as much as a water ionizer will do. It will give you about 6, whereas my ionizer consistently gives me 10. Since the pH scale is logarithmic that is a 10,000 to one ratio. So drinking 10,000 gallons of EIS would be as alkalizing as one gallon of ionic water. Actually it is more than that because the ionized water contains minerals that buffer the pH, making it appear less alkaline than it really is. Using ionized water is one of the easiest and most reliable ways to help keep you healthily alkaline. Marshall Clayton Family wrote: Hi Lisa, Good for you for posting your questions. I am confused as to why you want ionized water. You are making it with your set up- the electrodes (silver wires) do electrolyze the water. Some have said that to get alkaline water simply move one of the wires to a different container of water, so each wires is in it's own jar. One jar will have - ions, the other will have + ions, at least in theory. Somebody else have more? kathryn On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Lisa wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking CS
You can use 10 to 20% from a previous batch to seed it, and that will really cut the time down. Marshall Lisa wrote: Ok thanks...I'll have to throw out what I have as I made 3 batches and put them all in one glass half gallon jar. With three kids we'll go through it on a regular basis...that's why I was making some to stock up. I guess I'll try my silver puppy on a half gallon container and see how long it takes to make that work! L -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAlkalizing
Hi Marshall! I'm getting into CS and finding it has amazing healing! I also started making my own Organic Soy Milk. The very first glass that i drank. Brought my glucose down 100 points and has kept it down! That was about 2 years ago. Plus, if you go into some of the quilities of SM you will find that it does a lady's systems a lot of good! I even make a yogart from it! My dr. at VA recomended me to try it. But he is into natural meds. being of Indian descent. Let me know if you need help in choosing a maker or whatever. Since i've had some time to evaluate it. The VA even gives me SM when i'm in thier hospital! Regards, Larry From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, October 6, 2009 9:01:35 AM Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing I stopped drinking the super alkaline water ( sodium citrate ) yesterday since my pH was 8 or higher, and ate acid foods, like turkey, and drunk a coke. My pH is now around 7.2 which is right where I want it. My wife's pH which has started at 5.5 or lower, and was 6.5 yesterday came in right at 7.0 to 7.2 today. Interestingly enough she is losing 2 to 3 pounds a day now, without significant exercise. We are having a bit of a problem keeping her glucose down. It seems that the body in trying to find acid to stabilize the pH is stripping her acid fat reserves, which is either converting to glucose, or being burned in place of glucose, elevating her glucose either way. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
My vet is quite good like this, although I never go to see him (touch wood) he is quite interested and if I needed him to inject it or anything, I'm sure he would. Murphy is seven now and a German Shepherd. Notorious for poor immune systems, but the only thing I have actually taken him to the vets for, was an adenoma and a big cyst he has had from young. He is prone to these and also this damned Demodex thing which I treat myself. I have now got some beta glucans on the way to boost his immune system, but EIS clears up any sickness or diarrhoea which he might catch from other dogs. He is raw fed and un-vaccinated, apart from his puppy ones which I actually think damaged him in the first place. He is usually really healthy though (again, touch wood!) dee On 6 Oct 2009, at 15:00, Neville Munn wrote: [you can't fool dogs into thinking they have a 'miracle.' They either get better or they don't! Simple] -Pezactly, try telling the vet your dog was fixed in less than 24 hours after MONTHS of his concoctions failed miserably. I know exactly where you're coming from. I made a point to let him know as well, he said he had heard of EIS...but that's ALL he said! Oh dear, how sad, too bad...but then I didn't particularly care what he thought anyway, I made my point which was the whole purpose of the excercise, less income for his business and me spreading the word about EIS to other animal lovers would be all he would've been thinking about. N.
Re: CSDental Issues
Jim Humble claims that MMS will tighten the teeth: From: Jim Humble Somewhere in Mexico Dear Reader, You are receiving this email because you either requested MMS information from me, or you have read my book concerning the Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century. This is not a sales letter. (There is a place to unsubscribe at the end of this email.) MMS (the Miracle Mineral Supplement) has now treated more than 100 different diseases with good reports in 99% of the cases. There are hundreds of reports of complete relief from the various diseases. You may think that there really isn't that many different diseases, but now days, there are many more than that, and they are all caused by microorganisms. They are all treatable by MMS. Let me tell you one of the most important uses of MMS. The fact is that health in the mouth affects every other part of the body. It is almost impossible to overcome health problems of the body if the mouth is unhealthy. MMS helps the mouth in a big way. It will usually stop a tooth ache in less than an hour. This includes even an abscessed tooth. The only abscess that it cannot overcome is a tooth that is abscessed on the inside of the tooth where the MMS simply cannot reach, but even then it will usually stop the pain. However, stopping teeth from aching is not the important use of MMS. MMS will change the health of your mouth within a week, and over about 3 weeks you will get a mouth that is healthier than it has ever been before. A lot of people have a nice set of teeth and they think that their mouths are in perfect shape, but if they will brush with MMS for three weeks they will still notice a healthier mouth. Their gums will become harder than they thought was possible, the teeth will be whiter and there simply will be no breath odor at all. On the other hand, those who have poor gum health, pyorrhea, gingivitis, bleeding gums, loose teeth and other dental diseases will find all of that gone in less than a week and if they continue for 3 weeks they will have solid gums, teeth that are rock solid in place, and a really healthy mouth. Even if they need a lot of dental work all of the diseases will be gone. I have from time to time had people call me and state, The MMS isn't working; it's been over three weeks and although my mouth is getting a little better, it has not completely cleared up as you suggested it would. That's because it takes just a little bit more than just swishing MMS around in your mouth. It takes brushing so that the MMS gets under your gums next to the teeth. Health of the body really begins in the mouth. Creating a healthy mouth will make it much easier to create a healthy body. There is at least one laboratory now days that claims a healthy mouth will prevent prostrate cancer. So by clearing up the mouth and taking MMS, you might have a tremendous chance of overcoming prostrate cancer, or preventing yourself from getting it. (Why can I say this? Because I don't sell MMS in the USA, I just sell my book and DVD). So this is how to have a healthy mouth in less than one week! Mix up a 10 drop dose of MMS. Put 10 drops in a dry empty glass, add 50 drops or ¾ teaspoon of lemon juice or 10% citric acid solution, swirl to mix, and wait 3 minutes and add ¼ glass of water. Using a soft tooth brush, pour a few drops on the tooth brush and brush your gums at the point where the gums and teeth come together. Keep this up for 5 to 8 minutes or more. Be very thorough; keep adding drops to your tooth brush. Brush so that a little bit of MMS works it way under the gums where they touch the teeth. Of course brush the teeth as well. MMS will not hurt the enamel of the teeth and will kill plaque and other buildups on the teeth. If you gums and mouth is in very bad shape (bleeding, with loose wobbly teeth, aching, and bad smelling) brush as described above three or four times a day for several days. Also floss you teeth while holding small amounts of MMS in you mouth. No matter how bad, if you brush and floss properly, they will be mostly cleared up within a week. Give them three weeks for the gums to be completely cleared up, and hard. It may take up to 2 months until all teeth are solid like they were welded in place. After being treated with MMS it will normally be unnecessary to pull most of the teeth that would otherwise need pulling. However, if there are teeth that you are sure will need to be pulled, don't wait until the teeth are solidly in place. At that point they will be extremely hard to pull as they will become attached to the jaw bone as nature meant them to be. So far all those people who have called to say it didn't work, have also called to say that once they used MMS right, their mouth cleared up. MMS is a weak oxidizer and cannot hurt anything in the mouth or body except pathogens. Once your mouth is completely healthy, you will not need to floss and you will need to brush with MMS only once or twice a
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
Dear Dave, I also have came to this sight to learn! Plus have read lot's of interesting things on the net. Utopia silver and Silver Puppy has much reading! I have been doing a lot of research about how, who and why for self knowledge. But the biggest thing is and only mfr. has all of these qualities. They are particle size which is determined by less than a ohm currant. That's the only advantage the commercial product has. But only one product i know of that does it. If you want to find out, email me. For i don't know if promoting it is ok on this site. But i had a over nite healing of a big sore about the size of a silver dollar. Because of my diabetes, the skin was entirely rubbed off! Then after spraying CS in my nostrils and mouth. I hard breathing has been greatly helped. After two applications of 6 sprays per nostril and throat! Regards, Larry From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, October 6, 2009 8:47:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 You will not find any conflict here on this. The reason is that no one here is trying to sell their stuff, we are all interested in what works best, period. You will not find any on the market that works better than what you can make. That is a simple fact borne out by over 100 man years of experience here. Marshall dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave - Original Message - From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDental Issues
Jim Humble claimed teeth tightening with MMS. seemed to work for me. http://jimhumble.biz/biz-mouthandgum.htm The waterpick idea seems worth of a trial... Chuck Two most common elements: hydrogen, stupidity On 10/6/2009 10:46:38 AM, Ruth Bertella (berte...@lfdcbham.com) wrote: I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two cr No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.4/2417 - Release Date: 10/06/09 06:50:00
Re: CSAlkalizing
I'm not sure I buy into your conclusions about your test. There are no ions being exchanged from one jar to the other. This is like running two cells in series. Each cell therefore has approximately half the voltage across it. One cell has silver for the positive electrode and stainless steel for the negative electrode. This cell makes normal colloidal silver. The other cell has stainless steel for the positive electrode and silver for the negative electrode. This cell makes no CS and presumably does not add metal into the water via electrolysis. This cell could be duplicated by using the silver puppy operating in one water cell with a stainless steel positive electrode and a silver negative electrode. Do that and see if the result is the same as the one jar in your experiment... Dan On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: Your EIS generator makes Alkaline water in equal proportion to silver ions. Date 2006 Upon looking into Alkaline water and the machines used to make it, it appears that the process is similar to making EIS, but the [hydronium?] ions and hydroxyl anions are kept apart by use of a membrane interface. Alkaline water is said to have a bitter flavor. To see if that's the case, I ran a quick and dirty experiment: Setup: Two tall narrow glass jiggers set side by side with distilled water in each and a loop of stainless steel welding rod between them to make an electrical connection. Placed the silver electrodes of a generator, [DC output mode] each one in each jigger, not touching the stainless loop connector and ran the arrangement for a while. [I don't see *why* that would actually work, but it apparently did...] Removed everything, tasted the water. One had metallic flavor, the other bitter. Added a drop H2O2 to each jigger, one flashed brown [silver ions], the other had no effect [no silver ions] Conclusion: [**] Very fresh CS is made of Alkaline water and free silver ions. Alkaline water is water that is high in Hydroxyl radicals but doesn't have opposite charged ions to neutralize it. [??] Alkaline water supposedly oxygenates the blood and acts like a free radical scavenger. [As does, supposedly, Ozone and Peroxide therapy, all of which have similar radical Oxygen dangle atoms...O1 vs the normal O2] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDental Issues
Hi Ruth. Sorry to hear about your teeth woes. I can tell you that using a Godzilla unit will kill any infections in your mouth. Also, when my dentist told me I had (mild) periodontal disease around one tooth -- and tried to sell me a product to take care of it -- I simply thanked him and went home and used a water pik with EIS instead of water on the area. Next visit, he told me the peri disease was gone and to keep doing what I was doing. Swishing of CS won't accomplish the same thing as driving it up under the gum line with a water pik. I can't help you with tightening the teeth -- hope someone else can. Good luck, kiddo. MA From: Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:46:38 AM Subject: CSDental Issues I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth
RE: CSDental Issues
Someone suggested oil pulling with added a couple drops of neem oil, this has been working for me and I am trying to avoid a root canal. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:34:32 -0700 From: marmar...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: CSDental Issues To: silver-list@eskimo.com Hi Ruth. Sorry to hear about your teeth woes. I can tell you that using a Godzilla unit will kill any infections in your mouth. Also, when my dentist told me I had (mild) periodontal disease around one tooth -- and tried to sell me a product to take care of it -- I simply thanked him and went home and used a water pik with EIS instead of water on the area. Next visit, he told me the peri disease was gone and to keep doing what I was doing. Swishing of CS won't accomplish the same thing as driving it up under the gum line with a water pik. I can't help you with tightening the teeth -- hope someone else can. Good luck, kiddo. MA From: Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:46:38 AM Subject: CSDental Issues I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/
RE: CSDental Issues
Brooks Bradley once posted a whitening protocol that I remember as consisting of mixing 3% hydrogen peroxide with 10% DMSO to whiten teeth. It should also work to kill infections. - Steve N From: Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:46:38 AM Subject: CSDental Issues I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth
Re: CSDental Issues
My experience has been that swishing and brushing CS helps only with surface infection and plaque. If you have pockets of infection, you would need to use something like CS with 20%, by volume, of DMSO. Swish this in the mouth for up to 5 minutes. Repeat daily for as long as it takes, depending on how bad the infections are. The DMSO will allow the CS to penetrate the tissues. Otherwise, the CS will only work on the surface tissues. Also, get one of those rubber dental probes, such as they used to have on the bottom of toothbrushes years back. Use the point, gently, to trace between the teeth and gum, with the tip pointing towards the gum. Then insert the rubber tip between each pair of teeth and and press Up or Down towards the gum (on the upper jaw, press up, on the lower jaw, press down). This presses the puss out of the pockets. You can press the gums with your finger too, from the gum towards the tooth for deep pockets on the sides of teeth. I know DMSO tastes terrible, but one can get used to it (I did), and it is not as bad as some other things... This WILL get rid of most of the problem. MMS has been known to help with killing germs and tightening gums, but I have read many reports of people who indicate that it affected their enamel because it was too acidic. Be careful... Dan On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com wrote: I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water
Hi Garnet, And what do use to add minerals back into your water? I'm about to purchase a distiller and well as a Berky. S-Max ---Original Message--- From: Garnet Date: 10/6/2009 7:57:10 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water You are making distilled water into water with silver ions in it. This is not the same as the ionized water that people talk about. There are many types of ions, silver is just one of them. But for purposes related to medical benefits of silver you do not want other ions in your EIS, just the silver. Buy a water distiller from www. wholesalewaterdistillers .com - remove spaces. They are about $130 for a one gallon unit. I have had mine for 6 years and I make all of my drinking water with it as I am on city water. Garnet
CSColorful History of Colloidal Silver Other Silver
H! Sorry, just changed the subject so it reads w/o all Caps! Change it back if you want to. S-Max
Re: CSAlkalizing
I did...Jupiter Neptune...love it! PC - Original Message - From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing Hi Peter, Will you share what ionizer you have? -Original Message- From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:07 AM To: Ode Coyote; silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSAlkalizing Hi All, I just ran a few quick tests which verify what Ode has said. I did pH testing using test strips on 4 liquid samples and came up with this result: 1) Tap Water - pH of ~6 2) Ionized water from Jupiter Neptune Ionizer which uses only tap water (no added salt or minerals unless you choose to...I don't) - pH of ~10 when pushed to the upper limit. 3) DW - pH of ~5 4) Fresh EIS (made yesterday, at least and made using DW) - pH of ~6 My ionized water when made to around pH 7 to 7.5 tastes wonderfully fresh and clean, literally like a mountain spring, unlike my tap water, DW or RO water or most other waters I have tasted. I don't sell these ionizers but I love mine! In the first few weeks I used my ionized water I had to work up in quantity and pH very slowly because of the die-off effect it created in me. I couldn't believe it at the time so repeated the experiment several times to verify the findings (which always remained the same...die-off) Some say that ionized water has restructured molecules I think. I'm no chemist and can't refute or confirm that statement but I will say that it's the only water which I have ever received die-off from drinking (Herxheimer effect). That being said, it hasn't cured me of anything, that's for sure! (except for fat wallet syndrome) My ionizer uses only the minerals in the tap water to do its thing but can be used with supplemental calcium if desired. Peter - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:42 AM Subject: RE: CSAlkalizing Your EIS generator makes Alkaline water in equal proportion to silver ions. Date 2006 Upon looking into Alkaline water and the machines used to make it, it appears that the process is similar to making EIS, but the [hydronium?] ions and hydroxyl anions are kept apart by use of a membrane interface. Alkaline water is said to have a bitter flavor. To see if that's the case, I ran a quick and dirty experiment: Setup: Two tall narrow glass jiggers set side by side with distilled water in each and a loop of stainless steel welding rod between them to make an electrical connection. Placed the silver electrodes of a generator, [DC output mode] each one in each jigger, not touching the stainless loop connector and ran the arrangement for a while. [I don't see *why* that would actually work, but it apparently did...] Removed everything, tasted the water. One had metallic flavor, the other bitter. Added a drop H2O2 to each jigger, one flashed brown [silver ions], the other had no effect [no silver ions] Conclusion: [**] Very fresh CS is made of Alkaline water and free silver ions. Alkaline water is water that is high in Hydroxyl radicals but doesn't have opposite charged ions to neutralize it. [??] Alkaline water supposedly oxygenates the blood and acts like a free radical scavenger. [As does, supposedly, Ozone and Peroxide therapy, all of which have similar radical Oxygen dangle atoms...O1 vs the normal O2] Date 2009 Possibly Faulty memory seems to recall the use of salt in Alky water makers Least-ways, in *this* one... http://www.hiddencures.com/ionizer.htm Frequently Asked Questions Q: Do you need to add minerals, and what kind? A: Yes, minerals are required in order for the ionizer to work. I have found that the most effective mineral to add is salt. Salt is needed to make the water conductive so that the ionizer will work. Ohhh Kay. If salt is used, one electrode makes Hypochlorus acid and the other, sodium hydroxide [Lye] which will definitely make that water Alkaline. From the handy dandy household cleaner article that sheds light on what blood electrifiers aka Zappers, might actually be doing. [Controllable Electro-Chemo-Therapy? or an MMS analog with an antidote right around the corner...not a blood electrolizer but a blood electro-chemicalizer, cuz blood is bloody salty] ..easier to just add a few Lye crystals to water. [And turn it into salt water when it hits the ole tummy] http://www.housekeepingchannel.com/a_820-Electrolyzed_Water_Alternative_to_C hemical_Cleaners http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysed_water http://www.psfk.com/2009/02/electrolyzed-water-miracle-cleaning-fluid-made-f rom-water-salt.html Ode At 12:37 PM 10/5/2009 -0400, you wrote: Hi Marshall, Can you tell me how you make alkalized water? I think my pH is way off too and I'm interested in getting squared away! Thx. Lisa -Original Message- From:
Re: CSDental Issues
Ruth, You could pay attention to sinuses. I flushed mine with weak VitC / Bicarb solution and then with EIS, because of being unwell. . Had to do the flush a few times to get dried stuff to come out and them many, many times over a few days before it stopped. I try to remember to do the flush again each week. Some of my tooth gum is growing back again and that could be due to the cleaner sinuses ymmv. Tony On 6 Oct 2009 at 9:46, Ruth Bertella wrote about : Subject : CSDental Issues I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMaking CS
Brilliant thank you -- I'll use this idea going forward! -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMaking CS You can use 10 to 20% from a previous batch to seed it, and that will really cut the time down. Marshall Lisa wrote: Ok thanks...I'll have to throw out what I have as I made 3 batches and put them all in one glass half gallon jar. With three kids we'll go through it on a regular basis...that's why I was making some to stock up. I guess I'll try my silver puppy on a half gallon container and see how long it takes to make that work! L -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMMS and MRSA
What's the generic name...I'm trying to find it now :o) -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA You can order LDN without an Rx from www.alldaychemist.com Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: Yes but that's by prescription... Is it hard to convince one's doctor to write it up OR can we get it overseas (being in the US) without one? -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Don't forget about LDN to increase your endorphins 300%! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be indefinite as long as it is in a closed bottle. The only thing that can make it break down is acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS and MRSA
Naltrexone http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: What's the generic name...I'm trying to find it now :o) -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA You can order LDN without an Rx from www.alldaychemist.com Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: Yes but that's by prescription... Is it hard to convince one's doctor to write it up OR can we get it overseas (being in the US) without one? -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Don't forget about LDN to increase your endorphins 300%! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be indefinite as long as it is in a closed bottle. The only thing that can make it break down is acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Sasha, I tried to send this to your email address but it bounced. So I am posting it to the list. Zeolite is mostly silicon. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA sms wrote: Excellent! I have to go to Whole Foods today and will pick some up. Have you ever used Zeolite in liquid or powder form? Do you think it is similar in mineral content? Sasha /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Garnet mailto:gar...@grandecom.net /*Date:*/ 10/6/2009 11:12:42 AM /*To:*/ sms mailto:s...@emotap.com /*Subject:*/ Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water For my drinking water I use Concentrace drops. Some people also add 1/8 - 1/4 t of baking soda per gallon to neutralize the acidic pH. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA sms wrote: Hi Garnet, And what do use to add minerals back into your water? I'm about to purchase a distiller and well as a Berky. S-Max /---Original Message---/ /*From:*/ Garnet mailto:gar...@grandecom.net /*Date:*/ 10/6/2009 7:57:10 AM /*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com /*Subject:*/ Re: CSTHE COLORFUL--ionizing water You are making distilled water into water with silver ions in it. This is not the same as the ionized water that people talk about. There are many types of ions, silver is just one of them. But for purposes related to medical benefits of silver you do not want other ions in your EIS, just the silver. Buy a water distiller from www. wholesalewaterdistillers .com - remove spaces. They are about $130 for a one gallon unit. I have had mine for 6 years and I make all of my drinking water with it as I am on city water. Garnet /div -- http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA /div -- http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDental Issues
Dan, In my experience the most effective way of getting rid of dental infections in roots, in teeth, or in gums, is by using a DC current of 3 volts, switching polarity every three or four minutes. This can easily be done with a device known as the Godzilla. This method rarely fails... and the bacteria are killed usually within 6 minutes no matter where they reside. Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo... You can make your own device for less than $10.00. It has saved me many visits to the dentists office. Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: Re: CSDental Issues My experience has been that swishing and brushing CS helps only with surface infection and plaque. If you have pockets of infection, you would need to use something like CS with 20%, by volume, of DMSO. Swish this in the mouth for up to 5 minutes. Repeat daily for as long as it takes, depending on how bad the infections are. The DMSO will allow the CS to penetrate the tissues. Otherwise, the CS will only work on the surface tissues. Also, get one of those rubber dental probes, such as they used to have on the bottom of toothbrushes years back. Use the point, gently, to trace between the teeth and gum, with the tip pointing towards the gum. Then insert the rubber tip between each pair of teeth and and press Up or Down towards the gum (on the upper jaw, press up, on the lower jaw, press down). This presses the puss out of the pockets. You can press the gums with your finger too, from the gum towards the tooth for deep pockets on the sides of teeth. I know DMSO tastes terrible, but one can get used to it (I did), and it is not as bad as some other things... This WILL get rid of most of the problem. MMS has been known to help with killing germs and tightening gums, but I have read many reports of people who indicate that it affected their enamel because it was too acidic. Be careful... Dan On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com wrote: I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Re: Lisa MMS and MRSA
On the alldaychemist site the name used is Naltima. http://www.alldaychemist.com/search.php Sandy --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net Subject: RE: CSMMS and MRSA To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 2:41 PM What's the generic name...I'm trying to find it now :o) -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA You can order LDN without an Rx from www.alldaychemist.com Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: Yes but that's by prescription... Is it hard to convince one's doctor to write it up OR can we get it overseas (being in the US) without one? -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Don't forget about LDN to increase your endorphins 300%! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be indefinite as long as it is in a closed bottle. The only thing that can make it break down is acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623
thanks I knew i should of used spell check :) From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:11:11 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 I thnk she is referring to herxheimer reaction. Googling turns up: this reaction occurs when large amounts of toxins are released into the body as bacteria die, due to antibiotic treatment or detoxification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction Silver works as an antibiotic, so this reaction is known to occur using it. Kathryn On Oct 6, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Lisa wrote: What’s the heximer effect? From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:50 PM To: silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 Dave, If you are concerned about the strength of what your making, how much do you use in a day? Do you ever notice the heximer affect? Debbie From: zoe w mtnwalke...@yahoo.co.uk To: silver-l...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 6:44:33 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2009 #623 Follow the money trail. If the writer stands to profit by you not making your own then take it with a grain of salt. The silver I make is at least 3 times as strong and the stuff I bought commercially before making my own, and the prices they charge seem totally unwarranted considering how inexpensive it is to make. JMHO zoe dave bermes wrote: It appears opinions vary. Which is accurate? I realize there are some very experienced users in this group. My friend was fortunate enough to have attended a Beck lecture years ago and he convinced me to use silver ever since and I believe it to be very helpful. I make my own as the good doctor instructed but I am concerned that possibly the silver that I make is less effective than the many retail products that I read of and that always discount the value of the home prepared silver. I joined this group to learn more from experts, which I am certainly not. This conflict troubles me. I am here to learn. dave --
RE: CSDental Issues
Would this resemble the zapper at all? -Original Message- From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDental Issues Dan, In my experience the most effective way of getting rid of dental infections in roots, in teeth, or in gums, is by using a DC current of 3 volts, switching polarity every three or four minutes. This can easily be done with a device known as the Godzilla. This method rarely fails... and the bacteria are killed usually within 6 minutes no matter where they reside. Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo... You can make your own device for less than $10.00. It has saved me many visits to the dentists office. Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: Re: CSDental Issues My experience has been that swishing and brushing CS helps only with surface infection and plaque. If you have pockets of infection, you would need to use something like CS with 20%, by volume, of DMSO. Swish this in the mouth for up to 5 minutes. Repeat daily for as long as it takes, depending on how bad the infections are. The DMSO will allow the CS to penetrate the tissues. Otherwise, the CS will only work on the surface tissues. Also, get one of those rubber dental probes, such as they used to have on the bottom of toothbrushes years back. Use the point, gently, to trace between the teeth and gum, with the tip pointing towards the gum. Then insert the rubber tip between each pair of teeth and and press Up or Down towards the gum (on the upper jaw, press up, on the lower jaw, press down). This presses the puss out of the pockets. You can press the gums with your finger too, from the gum towards the tooth for deep pockets on the sides of teeth. I know DMSO tastes terrible, but one can get used to it (I did), and it is not as bad as some other things... This WILL get rid of most of the problem. MMS has been known to help with killing germs and tightening gums, but I have read many reports of people who indicate that it affected their enamel because it was too acidic. Be careful... Dan On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com wrote: I went to the dentist yesterday. Apparently my periodontal disease is back (well, I'm thinkin it never fully goes away - ya must have to stay very diligent forever). Or at least it's a big problem again (wonder why nothing was said 6 months ago?). I thought I had conquered this back in 2005 with diligent cleaning and almost obsessive use/swishing of CS. I only had a minimal amount of plaque (less than most patients they said). Some of my teeth have gotten loose this time as well. There is only one that is noticeable to me. But on the xrays you can see where the bone is deteriorating. The dentist said this will spread and the worst teeth should probably be pulled. And the pockets in the gums have enlarged again. He wrote an rx for doxycycline and wants me to see a periodontist. I did not fill the rx and don't intend to see any other doctors. I told him this, and about CS, and he wants to see me again on 11/5/09 to see how I progress with my 'home remedies'. LOL He's not against my using home remedies, but of course says he can't professionally endorse them either. He's giving me time to try to fix things before making further recommendations. (IF I fix everything, he will probably want to do two crowns and possibly redo my upper partial to accommodate the crown that has broken. The other is a cavity on the lower back molar at the gum line in the very back hardest to reach place - so he wants to crown instead of filling the cavity? go figure!)) I know I can mostly handle the pockets with very, very diligent muliple times daily swishing CS. But it seems a while back, someone posted about a protocol that actually tightened their teeth. Anyone remember that? Details please - what/how much/when, etc. What suggestions can y'all offer to 'tighten' the teeth, keep the one cavity in check so he doesn't have to fill or crown, rebuilding the bone and enamel, and a long term plan to keep all this from raising it's ugly head again? Thanks in advance for all suggestions! Ruth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CS Re: Lisa MMS and MRSA
H...I found it - under naltroxene (under the generic tab rather than brand name). A bit taken aback with the $25 processing/handling fee but I suppose that goes with the territory. It's also 50mg, how long will 10 pills last knowing that the dose is between 2-4mg? L -Original Message- From: Sandy [mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS Re: Lisa MMS and MRSA On the alldaychemist site the name used is Naltima. http://www.alldaychemist.com/search.php Sandy --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net Subject: RE: CSMMS and MRSA To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 2:41 PM What's the generic name...I'm trying to find it now :o) -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA You can order LDN without an Rx from www.alldaychemist.com Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: Yes but that's by prescription... Is it hard to convince one's doctor to write it up OR can we get it overseas (being in the US) without one? -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Don't forget about LDN to increase your endorphins 300%! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be indefinite as long as it is in a closed bottle. The only thing that can make it break down is acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS to alkalize DW
I distill all my potable water and use approx. 35 drops of Concentrace minerals per US gallon to bring it up to 7+pH. Makes a huge difference in taste and enjoyment ,and, it sure makes coffee so much better. Harold -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Re: Lisa MMS and MRSA
They also sell a brand called Nodict. But you should be able to look any of the brand names up using the generic drug name Naltrexone. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Sandy wrote: On the alldaychemist site the name used is Naltima. http://www.alldaychemist.com/search.php Sandy --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net Subject: RE: CSMMS and MRSA To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 2:41 PM What's the generic name...I'm trying to find it now :o) -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA You can order LDN without an Rx from www.alldaychemist.com Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: Yes but that's by prescription... Is it hard to convince one's doctor to write it up OR can we get it overseas (being in the US) without one? -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Don't forget about LDN to increase your endorphins 300%! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be indefinite as long as it is in a closed bottle. The only thing that can make it break down is acid. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAlkalizing
Hi Marshall, our tap/drinking water hovers around a pH of 8. What I'd like to ask is, would your protocol laid out below be a good addition to our drinking water to lower body pH? Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 6:58 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote: I am using the following protocol: 1. Put one level tablespoon of citric acid and one level tablespoon of baking soda into a drinking glass of at least 8 ounces. 2. add about 2 ounces of water. When foaming diminishes, stir until foam once again diminishes 3. add 1/4 teaspoon of soda. Stir until foaming diminishes again. It is normal for this to get very cold. 4. add 2 or 3 ounces of water and another 1/4 teaspoon of soda and stir. If it fizzes, repeat. After adding soda about 3 times it should not fizz any more when adding. At that point it should be right at a pH of 7 or slightly aklaline. If you taste it before adding the additional baking soda it should taste somewhat sour. Once it has quit fizzing it should taste salty. You can always use a pH test as well, you are aiming for a pH of 7 or slightly over. Either put the entire amount into 5 gallons of water, or add sufficient water to have 5 ounces, and add one ounce to a gallon of water. If you have it, add 4 drops of MMS to each gallon as well ( or 15 drops of water alkalizing drops). It is important that the water be a pH of 7 or more at this point, or it will activate the MSM, which you do NOT want. If drinking this water be sure to take a calcium, magnesium and potassium supplement. This water contains significant sodium and you need to make sure and keep your electrolytes balanced. Also monitor blood pressure if you are sensitive to sodium, as it may increase blood pressure in some people due to the sodium content. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Re: Lisa MMS and MRSA
50 mg in 50 ml of distilled water makes 50 ml of 1 mg/ml concentration. Beyond about 30 days it starts to break down even kept in the frige. I toss anything that starts to develop a sulfurous odor. Or you could break the tabs in half but that is a bit more difficult to do accurately. If you dose at 2.5 mg then it will last 20 days. You need to read up on dosing as some people experience some headaches and vivid dreams so need to start really low. I would join one or two of the LDN Yahoo lists such as http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Users so you can ask questions there. I actually started out very low 0.5 mg because I am very sensitive and did not want to put up with any side effects. Decided I would rather go more slowly, for my body to adjust, but some start off at 4.5 and never have any issues. It all depends on your system. And yes the shipping is high per tab unless you are ordering larger numbers. It's still cheaper than any other source. Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: H...I found it - under naltroxene (under the generic tab rather than brand name). A bit taken aback with the $25 processing/handling fee but I suppose that goes with the territory. It's also 50mg, how long will 10 pills last knowing that the dose is between 2-4mg? L -Original Message- From: Sandy [mailto:hollis302...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:54 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS Re: Lisa MMS and MRSA On the alldaychemist site the name used is Naltima. http://www.alldaychemist.com/search.php Sandy --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net Subject: RE: CSMMS and MRSA To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 2:41 PM What's the generic name...I'm trying to find it now :o) -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA You can order LDN without an Rx from www.alldaychemist.com Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: Yes but that's by prescription... Is it hard to convince one's doctor to write it up OR can we get it overseas (being in the US) without one? -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:gar...@grandecom.net] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:21 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Don't forget about LDN to increase your endorphins 300%! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Lisa wrote: aHA! I just downloaded the first part of the book for free. Once I read that in its entirety and receive my MMS I'll decide whether or not to take the plunge on the 2nd part. On another note... with all this wonderful information on all these different products: DMSO, MMS, EIS/CS etc. -- is there a list on how to use these products effectively and efficiently? Am I wrong in wanting to take some of these products for prevention rather than resolution on an issue(s)? I'm overweight, tired, sluggish -- probably have candida, no energy and really wanting to become balanced (and now I've heard of being properly ph and getting alkalinized). I'm a bit overwhelmed and would like to ensure that I use these newfound products properly. Thanks for some feedback. Lisa -Original Message- From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA Hi Lisa, you certainly can make it in your own home and relatively easily. The second part of Jim Humble's book explains how to do it in great detail. The biggest problem seems to be accessing the sodium chlorite as, in some countries, it has to be labelled as dangerous goods for transit purposes. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 6/10/2009, at 9:42 AM, Lisa wrote: Can you (as in us at home) make their own MMS or should it be purchased? I just purchased 4 oz. but if there's a recipe to do it at home I'm all ears :o) Lisa -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and MRSA I recall that made up MMS had a shelf life of two years. Must be kept away from light. Chuck There's an exception to every rule, except this one. On 10/5/2009 12:49:07 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Melly Bag wrote: I want to buy MMS, what is its shelf life? It should be
CSMMS CS UPDATE
Thought I would give you an interesting update. My friends X that was taking the activated MMS and using CS on the MRSA thought he would add ickthemal (sp?) on two of the older sores on his arm to try to draw things out more. My friend told him not to but he did it anyway. His arm got worse so he went to another doctor. After he explained his previous bout with MRSA and how long he had been treating and how bad his condition had been when the doctors eyes got big as saucers (according to current wife) and looked at him and asked what in the world have you taken to fix this so quickly? He told him he was using activated oxygen and cs plus the ickthemal. He told him NOT to us ickthemal and whatever he did not to stop using the treatment protocal he was using. He also asked to please let him know where he could get information on MMS. He knew about cs. Maybe there are some doctors out there that still have open minds. Dianne _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
Re: CSCan this woman be saved?
Lugol's solution 5% - Original Message - From: dingyun...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: CSCan this woman be saved? I saw TV this morning a young woman became paralized from eating a store brought frozen ground beef contaminating E Coli. Do you think homemade CS would save her if drinking enough it when earlier symptoms appeared? Or MMS would be a better weapon? or may be both? opinion please. thanks. Helen
RE: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER COMPOUNDS
[The issue is complicated by the fact that not all colloidal silver products
are of the same quality. Products made at home or by the use of electrical
charges to ionize and suspend the silver are products not worth taking. They
are typically clear in color, are lucky to have any potency after two weeks,
and run a much higher risk for silver depositing in the skin (argyria).]
-PURE UNADULTERATED CRAP...!!
And contrary to what may be popular opinion, EIS (which is three things...pure
fine silver, distilled water and electrolysis) will NOT cause any of this
colour issue {my opinion based on available literature and will not be moved at
this point in time}.
[I've been taking a shot glass worth every day (as my children are) to
prevent any flu from entering the household. I was planning on doing this
through November. Am I doing the right thing?]
-Most certainly are, I've been doing this daily for over 4 years, and 2 years
prior to that intermittently, with a stabilized EIS, before breakfast when the
mouth is driest and swirling under tongue for 2-3 minutes before swallowing.
Only exception would be that same quantity for the kids, much less would be
needed than that shot glass for them, cut it back to a quarter or third of a
shot at most I'd say.
N.
From: blacksa...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER
COMPOUNDS
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:58:10 -0400
I read this article and it's quite interesting: however, it bothered me to
read the following excerpt:
The issue is complicated by the fact that not all colloidal silver products
are of the same quality. Products made at home or by the use of electrical
charges to ionize and suspend the silver are products not worth taking. They
are typically clear in color, are lucky to have any potency after two weeks,
and run a much higher risk for silver depositing in the skin (argyria).
Does this mean that the Silver Puppy I just spent $150+ is producing less
than optimal EIS/CS ??? AND on top of that it may cause argyria?
I've been taking a shot glass worth every day (as my children are) to
prevent any flu from entering the household. I was planning on doing this
through November. Am I doing the right thing?
Please, I'd like to hear some feedback regarding these matters
Thx
Lisa
-Original Message-
From: Hanneke [mailto:bloss...@internode.on.net]
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:43 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSTHE COLORFUL HISTORY OF COLLOIDAL SILVER OTHER SILVER
COMPOUNDS
By Byron J. Richards, CCN
October 3, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
Colloidal silver is the product the FDA and many mainstream medical
people love to hate. Listening to them you would think every person
taking colloidal silver is going to turn gray with silver
accumulation in their skin (argyria). Their worst nightmare is people
taking colloidal silver to combat the H1N1 swine flu - the nightmare
for them is that it might actually work. Since I am a health
professional who has utilized colloidal silver in practice for more
than 15 years with thousands of people, I'm more than happy to share
some insights on the subject.
For full article:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Richards/byron184.htm
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Re: CSAlkalizing
Tokyo Broadcasting System ran a series about alakaline/acid water machines some years ago. A man who was to lose his foot due to diabetic gangrene saved his foot in hospital by soaking it in acid water (which alkaline water machines make as runoff, or by selecting the acid setting.) The acidic water healed his foot. He also had to drink three liters of alkaline water per day. This partially reversed the diabetes to the extent that he greatly cut back on insulin use. The Isle of Langeurs (sp?) that produces insulin also recovered and started production again, according to the MDs at the hospital. This may tie in with someone's recent claim that gastric bypass surgery reverses diabetes. I know nothing about that, but alkaline water might have some bearing on gastric acid effects on insulin production. Just speculation, but interesting. I concur with the observation that commercial alkaline water output has a superb taste. It makes wonderful tea, too. The same machine has worked well for me for more than 10 years -- worth every penny of the purchase. It's a shame they aren't widely sold outside Japan. Mass production brings the price down to reasonable levels. On Tuesday, Oct 6, 2009, at 23:06 Asia/Tokyo, Peter Converse wrote: Some say that ionized water has restructured molecules I think. I'm no chemist and can't refute or confirm that statement but I will say that it's the only water which I have ever received die-off from drinking (Herxheimer effect). That being said, it hasn't cured me of anything, that's for sure! (except for fat wallet syndrome) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmike,really this is my last post,,,really..
Certain groups have made it so that speaking relevant truth is anti and many people are conditioned to make very negative assumptions about people who even address some issues. It is truly an elephant in the living room. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:21 AM, aKa Jhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com wrote: There seems to be a 'prejudice' against 'prejudiced' people... I think that the lofty idea of 'the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. . And this anti-racism will be for the twenty-first century what communism was for the twentieth century: a source of violence. I totally agree Garnet. This is not the place for religious discussions and certainly not the place for misguided prejudice. Knock it off Bruce. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
