Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Tony Moody]

Hi Blue Max,

I'm glad the blues are coming out of the closet. I think Dave Darrin is
the first one to give a clue why some change and others don't.  He
mentioned that he was taking niacin too.

I take somewhere between nothing and a cupful per day of EIS made with
ordinary drinking water, tap water.; using a current controlled 9v
circuit and short electrolysis time. 2 to 5 minutes per 250 ml of water.
The water is delicious before the process which is then has a slight
tyndal and a slight 'sandy' taste. No blue anything. Well ; only one blue
thumb nail but that is due to thinking of mikmaids while hammering
roofnails.

Question : To attract milkmaids how much should I be taking per day? Do
you perhaps have a graph of milkmaids per litre of EIS?

Question : If I do not want to be bothered by  milkmaids is there a way
of reducing the existing blue effect?

Question : And what does one do to prevent becoming blue in the first
place.

To be blue or not to be.

OK,
Tony





On 25 Jan 2010 at 19:38, Max Sanders wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent

> Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still
> have HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things.
>
>  I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and
> others experience were dismissed (must of been "other" compounds involved,
> and/or the equally unprovable "elimination physiology impaired"), ignored,
> or spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely
> lacking a responsible attitude).
>
> I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of
> argyria to all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use
> and production.
>
> Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am
> quite serious about this disclosure issue.
>
> One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the
> present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of
> milkmaids.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin  wrote:
>
> From: Dave Darrin 
> Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM
>
> WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it.
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
>
> Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with
>
> the Gopis (milkmaids).
>
>
>
> You may have to move to India though.
>
>
>
> (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin
>
>  wrote:
>
> > After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that
> > much
>
> > silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at
>
> > this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or
> > blue
>
> > will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)
>
> >
>
> > Dick
>
> >
>
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Re: CS>help for cracked vertebrae

[Annie B Smythe]

D3, K2, magnesium, zinc, boron, strontium, 
selenium, no more than 2 mg of copper to offset 
the increased zinc, just a little extra good 
protein. Eggs are a good whole protein source, and 
easily digested. The gelatin that Brooks 
recommended, but it can be gotten by making broth 
from chicken, beef, pork bones and scraps too.


Turmeric for inflammation. It's less likely to 
cause side effects, but white willow will work as 
well, but it thins the blood like aspirin. So if 
he's taking blood thinners then it might not be a 
good idea.


If he's injured, and I think a cracked vertebra 
qualifies, then the body is stressed and a good B 
complex stress formula would probably benefit.


You might look at the bone set herb also.


Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Deborah Gerard wrote:


My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a 
cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements 
that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer?

Thanks in advance folks,
Debbie




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RE: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Neville Munn]

Yeah, I'd like to know, and 'proof' of ANYTHING is in short supply, here or 
anywhere else, individuals personal experiences and research are the best we 
can do I'd say, and I mean no disrespect to anyone who may consider that 
disrespectful.

 

In case I missed any previous posts could you outline the following...

 

How was your EIS produced? Water used? Silver purity used? Current controlled 
device/non current controlled device? Anything else *AT ALL* included/added in 
production process?  Heating water before or during production...if so, what 
method was used...stove top, microwave, etc? Purchased product or home 
produced? If home produced what quantity produced each time? Stirring method 
used, if applicable?

 

Were ANY supplements and/or any OTHER stuff ingested/used/applied etc whilst 
using EIS?  Vitamins/Minerals/pills/potions etc?

Is there any discolouration on the lunula or Mees line on fingernails?  
Toenails? What about the eyes?

Do you know the percentage of particles to ions in your product {must have a 
laboratory analysis report if you made your own...Yes/No?}, or stated with 
purchased solutions...including THEIR analysis report...Yes/No?  Not that I 
would expect a store bought product would disclose that information anyway!  Is 
there ANY history of inadequate blood circulation?

 

>From what I understand this is gradual process and must have been originally 
>observable at some point...what was that point in time when you first picked 
>up on something occurring? and does that point in time coincide with ANYTHING 
>else being done/ingested/applied/snorted etc etc? {and by 'snorting' I'm not 
>referring to drugs here...but then again, if so, what drugs?}

 

To get a clearer picture there may be MANY more questions of which answers one 
may be reluctant to disclose, {that I haven't thought of yet}, it could get 
rather personal when someone states EIS caused a colouration issue, but I for 
one would like to know.

 

I'm willing to discuss this off list if so desired, in the interest of 
furthering my own knowledge.

 

N.


Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:06:36 -0800
Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
From: davedar...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Thanks Max 
Couldn't have said it better. 
After three tries at informing of the possibilities and not being able to find 
the messages except in my sent folder I just figured that nobody wanted to know 
such a thing. 
Dave


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Max Sanders  wrote:





Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still have 
HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things. 

 I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and 
others experience were dismissed (must of been "other" compounds involved, 
and/or the equally unprovable "elimination physiology impaired"), ignored, or 
spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely lacking a 
responsible attitude). 

I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of argyria to 
all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use and production.

Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am 
quite serious about this disclosure issue.

One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the 
present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of 
milkmaids.



--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin  wrote:



From: Dave Darrin 

Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM





WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it.
Dave


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:

Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with
the Gopis (milkmaids).

You may have to move to India though.

(Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)

Dan


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin
 wrote:
> After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much
> silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at
> this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or blue
> will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)
>
> Dick
>





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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dan Nave]

Although it is not clear why it happens to some and not to others, I
acknowledge the possibility of getting argyria from EIS.

It is good however, to define terms and make sure people are talking about
the same things.

Some responders are oversensitive and so, overprotective on this issue, and
others, perhaps, just ignoramuses.

Dan

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Max Sanders  wrote:

>   Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still
> have HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things.
>
>  I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and
> others experience were dismissed (must of been "other" compounds involved,
> and/or the equally unprovable "elimination physiology impaired"), ignored,
> or spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely
> lacking a responsible attitude).
>
> I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of argyria
> to all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use and
> production.
>
> Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am
> quite serious about this disclosure issue.
>
> One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the
> present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of
> milkmaids.
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin * wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Darrin 
> Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM
>
>
> WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it.
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave 
> http://mc/compose?to=bhangcha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with
>> the Gopis (milkmaids).
>>
>> You may have to move to India though.
>>
>> (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin
>> http://mc/compose?to=dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that
>> much
>> > silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at
>> > this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or
>> blue
>> > will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)
>> >
>> > Dick
>> >
>>
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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[sol]

At 08:38 PM 1/25/2010, you wrote:
Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , 
still have HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things.


 I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that 
my and others experience were dismissed (must of been "other" 
compounds involved, and/or the equally unprovable "elimination 
physiology impaired"), ignored, or spun (another personal 
responsibility bucket story, which is entirely lacking a 
responsible attitude).


I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of 
argyria to all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS 
use and production.


Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, 
though I am quite serious about this disclosure issue.


I do not discount that some people do get argryia, just like some of 
us have grey fingernail moons. But even if adding the few that got 
real argryia and those of us with grey nail moons, there are very few 
of us. So I have to believe there is something else going on. Maybe 
it is just a question of quantity and duration of ingestion, or maybe 
it really is individual or diet, or who knows what.


I have grey nail moons, I drank between a pint and a quart a day of 
my homemade CS (10-15 ppm, no additives) for approx 2.5 years. I 
never got any grey or blue in my face, but several years after 
stopping that level of CS ingestion, I still have the grey nails.


If there wasn't something besides quality of CS ingested, quantity 
ingested, how long intake continued, then doesn't it seem there would 
be a far larger number of cases of argyria?


Did you stop drinkiing CS as soon as you noticed any greying of your face?

With my nails, I just didn't notice for a long time, until they were 
very dark, and all fingers involved.  I no longer drink CS on a 
regular basis, but when I need it (severe diarrhea, etc which happens 
rarely), I don't hesitate to drink as much as it takes. And I still 
mist my face/eyes and inhale CS every single time I come in from 
being in public. I also spray it inside my mouth at such times, and 
use it as mouthwash nightly, swishing and holding it as long as I 
can, now I don't swallow it though.

sol



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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dave Darrin]

Thanks Max
Couldn't have said it better.
After three tries at informing of the possibilities and not being able to
find the messages except in my sent folder I just figured that nobody wanted
to know such a thing.
Dave

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Max Sanders  wrote:

> Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still have
> HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things.
>
>  I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and
> others experience were dismissed (must of been "other" compounds involved,
> and/or the equally unprovable "elimination physiology impaired"), ignored,
> or spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely
> lacking a responsible attitude).
>
> I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of argyria
> to all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use and
> production.
>
> Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am
> quite serious about this disclosure issue.
>
> One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the
> present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of
> milkmaids.
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin * wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Darrin 
> Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM
>
>
> WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it.
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave 
> http://mc/compose?to=bhangcha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with
>> the Gopis (milkmaids).
>>
>> You may have to move to India though.
>>
>> (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin
>> http://mc/compose?to=dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that
>> much
>> > silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at
>> > this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or
>> blue
>> > will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)
>> >
>> > Dick
>> >
>>
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Re: CS>Buying Silver

[Dan Nave]

How about http://www.ccsilver.com/

Get the 999 or  grade fine silver.

Dan

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Deborah Gerard  wrote:
> Hi Leslie,
> Were you thinking of www.atlasnova.com for the silver?
> Debbie
>
> 
> From: Leslie 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:47:09 PM
> Subject: CS>Buying Silver
>
> Someone on here told where they were buying their silver and I seem to have
> lost that info. Could you or anyone on here give me some advice on buying
> good silver at a decent price??
>
> I seem to always be making my lists and checking it twice and then starting
> all over. Does anyone else feel that they need s much but cannot afford
> to get everything you need?? Just occasionally order a couple of things;
> have a generator and guess it will do if I get some silver to last at least
> through the bad times coming.
>
> Thanks for all your patience!
>
> Leslie
>


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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Jim Holmes]

Hello,

I am sorry about your unfortunate experiences.

What was the origin of the EIS, and how much did you take daily, and over
time?

Do you have any color photos of yourself befor and after the EIS exposure?

Good fortune to you,

Jim

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Max Sanders  wrote:

> Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still have
> HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things.
>
>  I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and
> others experience were dismissed (must of been "other" compounds involved,
> and/or the equally unprovable "elimination physiology impaired"), ignored,
> or spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely
> lacking a responsible attitude).
>
> I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of argyria
> to all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use and
> production.
>
> Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am
> quite serious about this disclosure issue.
>
> One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the
> present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of
> milkmaids.
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin * wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Darrin 
> Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM
>
> WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it.
> Dave
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave 
> http://mc/compose?to=bhangcha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with
>> the Gopis (milkmaids).
>>
>> You may have to move to India though.
>>
>> (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin
>> http://mc/compose?to=dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that
>> much
>> > silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at
>> > this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or
>> blue
>> > will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)
>> >
>> > Dick
>> >
>>
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Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Jonathan B. Britten]

And speaking of plaque, see this:

http://www.j-alz.com/press/2010/20100106.html

Researchers claim that cell phone radiation eliminates beta-amyloid 
plaque in mice.   The probable mechanism is not clear from the article.


Based on other research I have read,  I wonder whether EM radiation is 
disabling or destroying some pathogen, thereby allowing the natural 
immune system to break down and clear the neural plaque.   Researchers 
in the UK report success with magnetic treatments, and a brilliant MD 
named Y. Omura claimed effective electromagnetic therapy for 
Alzheimer's symptoms more than a decade ago.












On Tuesday, Jan 26, 2010, at 12:08 Asia/Tokyo, Pat Lawrie wrote:

Gordon, you might want to check out www.serrapeptase.org for reducing 
plaque. I just recently started
taking it for just that purpose. It is an enzyme and does a LOT of 
other stuff too.

Pat


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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Max Sanders]

Krishna here. As I've said before - took EIS for HepC got grey , still have 
HepC. I gave it a shot and have used it since for other things. 

 I was quite disappointed by the general list response, prior, that my and 
others experience were dismissed (must of been "other" compounds involved, 
and/or the equally unprovable "elimination physiology impaired"), ignored, or 
spun (another personal responsibility bucket story, which is entirely lacking a 
responsible attitude). 

I still advise a more open response that includes the possibilty of argyria to 
all who inquire along with the usual helpful info re EIS use and production.

Otherwise, there is still some fine folks here and great info, though I am 
quite serious about this disclosure issue.

One more item. The milkmaids do prefer my previous rich blue tone to the 
present grey. My wife is at peace with my color and the near absence of 
milkmaids.


--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Dave Darrin  wrote:

From: Dave Darrin 
Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:46 PM

WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it.
Dave

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:

Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with

the Gopis (milkmaids).



You may have to move to India though.



(Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)



Dan



On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin

 wrote:

> After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much

> silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at

> this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or blue

> will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)

>

> Dick

>





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Re: CS>Buying Silver

[Deborah Gerard]

I have bought mine from this site I believe the owner of it is on here also,
debbie





From: Leslie 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 10:17:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Buying Silver


No, was thinking it was something with initials like GC ?? Thanks for your help.
- Original Message - 
>From: Deborah Gerard 
>To: silver-l...@eskimo..com 
>Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:01 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>Buying Silver
>
>
>Hi Leslie,
>Were you thinking of www.atlasnova.com for the silver?
>Debbie
>
>
>
>

From: Leslie 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:47:09 PM
>Subject: CS>Buying Silver
>
>
>Someone on here told where they were buying their silver and I seem to have 
>lost that info. Could you or anyone on here give me some advice on buying good 
>silver at a decent price??
> 
>I seem to always be making my lists and checking it twice and then starting 
>all over. Does anyone else feel that they need s much but cannot afford to 
>get everything you need?? Just occasionally order a couple of things; have a 
>generator and guess it will do if I get some silver to last at least through 
>the bad times coming..
> 
>Thanks for all your patience!
> 
>Leslie
>


  

Re: CS>help for cracked vertebrae

[Leslie]

Did you listen to that tape sent to us called The Cancer Answer?  He talked 
about building up the immune system and he did mention a balanced food product 
that would give everything you need. This ought to make him feel better each 
day; better and better. Speak and believe positively. 
Leslie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  To: cs 
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:43 PM
  Subject: CS>help for cracked vertebrae


  My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a 
cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may 
help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer?
  Thanks in advance folks,
  Debbie

Re: CS>Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant

[Mike Monett]

  > That was me, Mike.

  > I was just tweaking John's nose 'cause he was being a PITA lately.

  > There are no active archives except those that have been  saved by
  > individuals.

  > Check on Wayne Fugitt's site for some.

  > Chuck

  Thanks Chuck.  I   looked   at   http://www.fugitt.com/cs.htm  but I
  couldn't find anything.

  We lost  a  lot  of good info when the  archives  went  down. Links,
  descriptions, Tai-Pan's  epistles, and how the cs  process developed
  over time. Then the Yahoo colloidalsilver group disappeared,  and we
  lost a lot more good info. It's like the old DOS error message:

  File Not Found 
  File Will Never Be Found 
  Stop Asking For It!

  Regards,

  Mike M.


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Re: CS>Buying Silver

[Leslie]

No, was thinking it was something with initials like GC ?? Thanks for your help.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Buying Silver


  Hi Leslie,
  Were you thinking of www.atlasnova.com for the silver?
  Debbie




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  From: Leslie 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:47:09 PM
  Subject: CS>Buying Silver


  Someone on here told where they were buying their silver and I seem to have 
lost that info. Could you or anyone on here give me some advice on buying good 
silver at a decent price??

  I seem to always be making my lists and checking it twice and then starting 
all over. Does anyone else feel that they need s much but cannot afford to 
get everything you need?? Just occasionally order a couple of things; have a 
generator and guess it will do if I get some silver to last at least through 
the bad times coming.

  Thanks for all your patience!

  Leslie

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Jim Holmes]

When I go into quasi-commercial production of CS, I plan to brand it "Lord
Krishna Colloidal Silver"
with the tag line, "Not Guaranteed to Turn You Blue".  Or perhaps, "Not
endorsed by Papa Smurf".

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with
> the Gopis (milkmaids).
>
> You may have to move to India though.
>
> (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)
>
> Dan
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin
>  wrote:
> > After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much
> > silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at
> > this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or
> blue
> > will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)
> >
> > Dick
> >
>
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Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Pat Lawrie]

Gordon, you might want to check out www.serrapeptase.org for reducing plaque. I 
just recently started
taking it for just that purpose. It is an enzyme and does a LOT of other stuff 
too.
Pat




From: John E. Stevens 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 3:48:35 PM
Subject: Re: CS> Important question about Reducing atherosclerosis

When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, I was taking 18 grams of Vit C daily. 
Hmmmnnn. Urination In a test, he only urinated off 15%. ... The rest waswa 
Hmmmnnn going to work ...

John


On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes  wrote:

Read: Practicing Medicine Without a LicenseOwen Fonrow 
>
>Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C per day keeps the arterial plaque away. 
>
>
>On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten 
> wrote:
>
>Thanks for this link. I printed the book and read it. I think very highly of 
>it. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia / Tokyo, Dan Hall wrote:
>>
>>
>>Read this e-book
>>>
>>>http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf
>>>
>>>You would have to change your diet ...
>>>
>>>Dan
>>>
>>>On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin  Wrote:
>>>
>>>List members,

I hope someone can help me. I have moderate blockage in carotid artery.
Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very distracting and
seems to get louder with time. Can anyone suggest a protocol that I could
try to reduce the build-up in the arteries? I am Concerned about a stroke.
Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Gordon


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>>>
>>
>



  

Re: CS>Buying Silver

[Deborah Gerard]

Hi Leslie,
Were you thinking of www.atlasnova.com for the silver?
Debbie





From: Leslie 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 1:47:09 PM
Subject: CS>Buying Silver


Someone on here told where they were buying their silver and I seem to have 
lost that info. Could you or anyone on here give me some advice on buying good 
silver at a decent price??
 
I seem to always be making my lists and checking it twice and then starting all 
over. Does anyone else feel that they need s much but cannot afford to get 
everything you need?? Just occasionally order a couple of things; have a 
generator and guess it will do if I get some silver to last at least through 
the bad times coming.
 
Thanks for all your patience!
 
Leslie


  

Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Jim Holmes]

Hello Leslie,

I do not know.  I rarely pirate a book unless it is out of print, as I
believe in compensating the people who produced it.

Jim

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Leslie  wrote:

>  Is there a link to copy-the book Practicing Medicine Without a
> License?? Original Message -
>
> *From:* Jim Holmes 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2010 4:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis
>
> Hello John,
>
> Interesting data.  Where did you find that?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM, John E. Stevens <
> jonellis.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, he was taking 18 grams of Vit C
>> daily.  Hmmmnnn.  In a urination test, he only urinated off 15%.
>> Hmmmnnn...  The rest wasw going to work...
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:
>>
>>> Read: *Practicing Medicine Without a License*  Owen Fonrow
>>>
>>> Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C  per day keeps the arterial plaque away.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten <
>>> jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for this link.  I printed the book and read it.   I think very
 highly of it.





 On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote:

 Read this e-book
>
> http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf
>
> You would have to change your diet...
>
> Dan
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin 
> wrote:
>
>> List members,
>>
>> I hope someone can help me.  I have moderate blockage in carotid
>> artery.
>>  Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very distracting
>> and
>> seems to get louder with time.  Can anyone suggest a protocol that I
>> could
>> try to reduce the build-up in the arteries?  I am concerned about a
>> stroke.
>>  Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>>
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>>>
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>

CS>help for cracked vertebrae

[Deborah Gerard]

My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a 
cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may 
help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer?
Thanks in advance folks,
Debbie


  

Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Vigilius Haufniensis]

garlic, cayenne, hawthorne.  they will clean out the arteries.  you can also 
try edta chelation if you have a severe case.
www.calcify.com
they use edta suppositories, but you can make your own for much cheaper.  use 
coconut butter as your medium.
heart drops contain garlic cayenne and hawthorne, as i understand it.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Leslie 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:24 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis


  Is there a link to copy-the book Practicing Medicine Without a License?? 
Original Message - 
From: Jim Holmes 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis


Hello John, 

Interesting data.  Where did you find that?  

Thank you,

Jim


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM, John E. Stevens 
 wrote:

  When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, he was taking 18 grams of Vit C 
daily.  Hmmmnnn.  In a urination test, he only urinated off 15%.  Hmmmnnn...  
The rest wasw going to work...

  John 



  On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes  
wrote:

Read: Practicing Medicine Without a License  Owen Fonrow 

Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C  per day keeps the arterial plaque 
away. 


On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten 
 wrote:

  Thanks for this link.  I printed the book and read it.   I think very 
highly of it. 





  On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote:


Read this e-book

http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf

You would have to change your diet...

Dan

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin 
 wrote:

  List members,

  I hope someone can help me.  I have moderate blockage in carotid 
artery.
   Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very 
distracting and
  seems to get louder with time.  Can anyone suggest a protocol 
that I could
  try to reduce the build-up in the arteries?  I am concerned about 
a stroke.
   Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated.

  Regards,

  Gordon


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Re: CS>OT - My email server died

[Mike Monett]

  >Hi,

  > My email  server died sometime during the weekend and  I  lost all
  > messages.

  [...]

  In case  you were planning to help, one of the members  contacted me
  and we will handle it offline.

  Thanks Anyway,

  Mike M.


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Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Leslie]

Is there a link to copy-the book Practicing Medicine Without a License?? 
Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:00 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis


  Hello John, 

  Interesting data.  Where did you find that?  

  Thank you,

  Jim


  On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM, John E. Stevens 
 wrote:

When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, he was taking 18 grams of Vit C daily. 
 Hmmmnnn.  In a urination test, he only urinated off 15%.  Hmmmnnn...  The rest 
wasw going to work...

John



On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes  wrote:

  Read: Practicing Medicine Without a License  Owen Fonrow 

  Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C  per day keeps the arterial plaque away. 


  On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten 
 wrote:

Thanks for this link.  I printed the book and read it.   I think very 
highly of it.





On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote:


  Read this e-book

  http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf

  You would have to change your diet...

  Dan

  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin  
wrote:

List members,

I hope someone can help me.  I have moderate blockage in carotid 
artery.
 Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very 
distracting and
seems to get louder with time.  Can anyone suggest a protocol that 
I could
try to reduce the build-up in the arteries?  I am concerned about a 
stroke.
 Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Gordon


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Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

[cking001]

Mike has a long history of ultra sensitivity to mold spores.
It's truly a curse.

Chuck
Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have

On 1/25/2010 7:01:24 AM, Richard Goodwin (dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com)
wrote:
> Either this guy is paranoid, or ultra sensitive, or onto something that
> might be relevant to everyone including us...
> 
> 
> -
> From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 11:02:44 PM
> Subject: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two
> 
> Another thing I have found that is very important is to  clean all
> the lint and dirt from your living area. Look under the bed and
> clean the dust bunnies each day. Get a moist sponge and run it along
> the window ledges. Clean your desk each day and any counter or flat
> surface where lint can gather. Vacuum the entire area daily. If you
> live in a house with a carpet, move. You need to find a  new place
> with a hardwood or low voc tile floor that has a sealed basement
> that
> doesn't grow mold. This is not easy to find.
> 
> Mold grows on the lint and fills the environment with spores. If
> your body uses all its resources to fight the mold when you are at
> home, there is very little left to handle the spores in the car.
> 
> It is important to realize the biggest source of  spores is the
> bedding y


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Re: CS>Vit C increases iron uptake

[cking001]

You're right Dee...
I've always been a supplement freak, but when I got around to trying
chlorella it put my head in the toilet.

Tried it two more times, but it's just a no-go.
Gave it away.

Chuck
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.


On 1/25/2010 6:50:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
> Just shows really, that unless you know exactly what you are doing, it can
> be a very dodgy thing taking some supplements.  I have been taking
> chlorella, vit C ALA and D3 sublingual, along with whey, and the last two
> days I have felt really unwell; so much so, that I have left off all
> supplements for a few days, and am now feeling better.  I experienced the
> most awful bone-tiredness where I could not keep my eyes open; a couple
> hours after taking them; but could not sleep either.  Also a disturbance
> of vision and subsequent thumping headache.
> Now I don't know if its coincidence or what, but I am going to introduce them 
> back in one at a time and see what if any, have caused it.  Maybe its because 
> I take them altogether, who knows?  dee
> 
> 
> On 24 Jan 2010, at 22:03, sol wrote:
> 
> > On the iron overload sites I have visited, the recommendation is simply not 
> > to take vit C with meals. It is fine to take vit C between meals away from 
> > iron containing drinks and foods. Info I read at the Livon Labs site 
> > indicates that liposomal C passes from the stomach or intestines into the 
> > blood stream and thus to the liver, where it is processed. If true, that 
> > means it would not affect iron absorption, or at least that portion of the


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Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[Jim Holmes]

Hello John,

Interesting data.  Where did you find that?

Thank you,

Jim

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM, John E. Stevens <
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:

> When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, he was taking 18 grams of Vit C
> daily.  Hmmmnnn.  In a urination test, he only urinated off 15%.
> Hmmmnnn...  The rest wasw going to work...
>
> John
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes wrote:
>
>> Read: *Practicing Medicine Without a License*  Owen Fonrow
>>
>> Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C  per day keeps the arterial plaque away.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten <
>> jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for this link.  I printed the book and read it.   I think very
>>> highly of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote:
>>>
>>>  Read this e-book

 http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf

 You would have to change your diet...

 Dan

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin 
 wrote:

> List members,
>
> I hope someone can help me.  I have moderate blockage in carotid
> artery.
>  Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very distracting
> and
> seems to get louder with time.  Can anyone suggest a protocol that I
> could
> try to reduce the build-up in the arteries?  I am concerned about a
> stroke.
>  Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gordon
>
>
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>>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Important question about reducing atherosclerosis

[John E. Stevens]

When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, he was taking 18 grams of Vit C daily.
Hmmmnnn.  In a urination test, he only urinated off 15%.  Hmmmnnn...  The
rest wasw going to work...

John

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes  wrote:

> Read: *Practicing Medicine Without a License*  Owen Fonrow
>
> Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C  per day keeps the arterial plaque away.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten <
> jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this link.  I printed the book and read it.   I think very
>> highly of it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote:
>>
>>  Read this e-book
>>>
>>> http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf
>>>
>>> You would have to change your diet...
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 List members,

 I hope someone can help me.  I have moderate blockage in carotid artery.
  Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very distracting
 and
 seems to get louder with time.  Can anyone suggest a protocol that I
 could
 try to reduce the build-up in the arteries?  I am concerned about a
 stroke.
  Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated.

 Regards,

 Gordon


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>>>
>>
>

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dave Darrin]

WOW that's fine but my wife probably wouldn't like it.
Dave

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with
> the Gopis (milkmaids).
>
> You may have to move to India though.
>
> (Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)
>
> Dan
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin
>  wrote:
> > After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much
> > silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at
> > this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or
> blue
> > will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)
> >
> > Dick
> >
>
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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dan Nave]

Krishna is shown as having a blue skin, and he was very popular with
the Gopis (milkmaids).

You may have to move to India though.

(Sorry Mike D - religion and all that...)

Dan

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Richard Goodwin
 wrote:
> After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much
> silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at
> this age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or blue
> will come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)
>
> Dick
>


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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dave Darrin]

No Dee :
Not for a minute.
But it has it's drawbacks,I will probably be here for another 40 years.
Dave

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> So do you regret doing this because of the argyria?  I am just asking
> because of the question raised by Joanne.  thanks.  dee
>
> On 25 Jan 2010, at 19:32, Dave Darrin wrote:
>
> > Dee
> > I started out by killing Lyme disease with chugging two pint bottles of
> Cs that I bought then taking four ounces of the stuff I made every twenty
> minutes for three days. That took care of the Lyme spirochaetes up to this
> day eight years later.
> >  Then I took around a pint a day from then on with no colds or any
> congestive problems at all.
> > It took about a year and a half to repair all the damage done by 42 years
> of Lyme  but I'm back in the condition I should have been in at 40 , I'm
> turning 74 in a couple of weeks.
> >  I imagine I have taken hundreds of gallons over that period.
> > Dave
> >
>
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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

So do you regret doing this because of the argyria?  I am just asking because 
of the question raised by Joanne.  thanks.  dee

On 25 Jan 2010, at 19:32, Dave Darrin wrote:

> Dee
> I started out by killing Lyme disease with chugging two pint bottles of Cs 
> that I bought then taking four ounces of the stuff I made every twenty 
> minutes for three days. That took care of the Lyme spirochaetes up to this 
> day eight years later.
>  Then I took around a pint a day from then on with no colds or any congestive 
> problems at all.
> It took about a year and a half to repair all the damage done by 42 years of 
> Lyme  but I'm back in the condition I should have been in at 40 , I'm turning 
> 74 in a couple of weeks.
>  I imagine I have taken hundreds of gallons over that period.
> Dave
> 


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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Richard Goodwin]

After your other reply, though, it seems to me that if you took that much 
silver for that many years, and you are just getting a little grayish at this 
age, I guess I won't worry too much about it.  Hey, maybe gray or blue will 
come into vogue, and then we'll get all the girls!  :-)

Dick





From: Dave Darrin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 2:42:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

Yes Richard I would like to know that also.
Any One Else???


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Richard Goodwin  
wrote:

Could be the tendency when one has a single datapoint that doesn't fit with the 
rest, to just discard it.
>
>Your experience is interesting though.  Be nice to know how common it is for 
>longtime users.
>
>
>
>
>
>

From: Dave Darrin 
>
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 2:06:16 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell
> toxicant"
>
>
>>  How true ! (almost)
>Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my 
>complection is so gray.
>Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making
>clear CS without any impurities as far as I could determine. After about eight 
>years  of regular use I have reached the point that my color has changed 
>noticeably . It started with blue moons and progressed from there. 
>>
> To be very forthright and honest I believe my problem was exacerbated
>by my treatment of lack of circulation in my feet with Niacin which opened the 
>smallest blood vessels and allowed the silver to migrate into my skin where 
>the flush occured. 
>>
> As far as the "Blue man" is concerned I would say he fell into some Rit
>or some kind of food dye as Argeria only affects the head not the hands (other 
>than the moons), and body in general.
>People denying Argeria just might be wrong especially those that tell you that 
>the pure stuff can't give it to you as you would drown first from that much 
>water--Well if you swallowed it all at once they might have a point.
>>
>I hope someone pays attention to this. I've posted on this before with no one 
>responding.
>Dave
>
> Summarised:
>If you cant do the time don't do the crime
>Or
>If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen
>
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>
>>>The blue man has nothing to do with colloidal silver. He was taking silver 
>>>chloride, which we all know will cause this condition, my web site was 
>>>warning about it years before he got his condition.  No one has ever been 
>>>reported getting argyria from real EIS, although some of have gotten some 
>>>gray fingernail moons.
>>
Marshall
>>
>>
>>oasisgr...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>I understand,
>> Now I am wondering if I should treat my mare with this or not ?   I read 
>> an article referencing that "Blue Man" and his issues and experiences 
>> ... someone please speak up.
>> JoAnne
>> In a message dated 1/22/2010 3:23:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>> sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes:
>>>
>>Can anyone discredit that study, how it was performed, and its
>>conclusions? Here is the link again:
>>
>> >http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
>>>
>>>
>>I mean aside from saying "it ain't true" can someone really
>>deconstruct it scientifically?
>>thanks,
>>sol
>>>
>>>
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CS>OT - My email server died

[Mike Monett]

Hi,

My email server died sometime during the weekend and I lost all messages. 

If anyone gets the digest and would be willing to zip the digests for
Saturday, Sunday, and Monday and send them to me, I'd appreciate it so much
I might even put you in my will.

If someone is willing to do this, please reply to this post to let others
know so they don't need to do it also.

Thanks Much,

Mike M.


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Re: CS>Mare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth

[OASISGROUP]

Bernadette,
 
I am going to wait until the vet / dentist see Fancy on February 12th.  
I will definitely get back to you.  Thanks much.  I am trying, also,  to 
learn more about side effects.
 
JoAnne
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:28:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bernade...@pa.net writes:

no charge

- Original Message - 
From:  _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com)  
To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com)  
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24  PM
Subject: Re: CS>Mare with Possible  Melanomas in Mouth


Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long  would 
it last, administered to the one mare?  Thanks very much.   

JoAnne
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_bernade...@pa.net_ (mailto:bernade...@pa.net)  writes:

I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour  away from the Maryland state 
line.  I could make you a few gallons  and we could meet.
 
Bernadette

- Original Message - 
From:  _MaryAnn Helland_ (mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net)  
To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com)  
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010  12:17 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Mare with  Possible Melanomas in Mouth



I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help.  But we may  have list 
members near you.
MA


 

 From: "_oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) " 
<_oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) >
To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) 
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010  11:10:49 AM
Subject:  Re: CS>Mare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth

We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines.
 
Where are you?
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

JoAnne -- where do you live?  Perhaps one of us live close  enough to 
*sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your  generator and get 
set 
up.  I don't think you're understanding the  hundreds of dollars that 
you'll be spending per week, just to treat  even one horse.  Because we're 
talking gallons here -- and for an  extended period of time.
MA


 

 From:  "oasisgr...@aol.com" 
To:  silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010  10:49:07 AM
Subject:  Re: CS>Mare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth

MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one  horse.  
And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as  well. . the unit you 
described.
 
JoAnne
PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader  :)   LOL
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard  Time, 
marmar...@bellsouth.net writes:

Purchasing Colloidal Silver is  extraordinarily expensive -- commonly 
running thirty or so dollars  for 8 oz.  It just isn't practical to buy it for 
treating  horses

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[OASISGROUP]

Dave, yes I know -- I have two bitless bridles.  I haven't ridden her  
much, yet, as she has recovered from foundering and rotation.
 
J
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 2:45:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
davedar...@gmail.com writes:

I've  known a number of people that trained their horses to respond without 
a bit in  the mouth.
Might be worth looking  into.
Dave

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dave Darrin]

I've known a number of people that trained their horses to respond without a
bit in the mouth.
 Might be worth looking into.
Dave

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:21 AM,  wrote:

>  I am pretty confused, now.So, will I risk side effects giving this to
> my mare w/ melanomas in her mouth?  She has no visible ones outside, just
> inside, making riding her w/ a bit an issue.   The vet and dentist are
> coming out on Feb 12th to do her teeth, sedated.
>
> JoAnne
>
>  In a message dated 1/25/2010 2:19:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> d...@deetroy.org writes:
>
> Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my
> complection is so gray.
> > Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making
>
>

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dave Darrin]

Yes Richard I would like to know that also.
Any One Else???

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Richard Goodwin  wrote:

> Could be the tendency when one has a single datapoint that doesn't fit with
> the rest, to just discard it.
>
> Your experience is interesting though.  Be nice to know how common it is
> for longtime users.
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Dave Darrin 
>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Mon, January 25, 2010 2:06:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"
>
>   How true ! (almost)
> Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my
> complection is so gray.
> Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making
> clear CS without any impurities as far as I could determine. After about
> eight years  of regular use I have reached the point that my color has
> changed noticeably . It started with blue moons and progressed from there.
>  To be very forthright and honest I believe my problem was exacerbated
> by my treatment of lack of circulation in my feet with Niacin which opened
> the smallest blood vessels and allowed the silver to migrate into my skin
> where the flush occured.
>  As far as the "Blue man" is concerned I would say he fell into some Rit
> or some kind of food dye as Argeria only affects the head not the hands
> (other than the moons), and body in general.
> People denying Argeria just might be wrong especially those that tell you
> that the pure stuff can't give it to you as you would drown first from that
> much water--Well if you swallowed it all at once they might have a point.
> I hope someone pays attention to this. I've posted on this before with no
> one responding.
> Dave
>
>  Summarised:
> If you cant do the time don't do the crime
> Or
> If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:
>
>> The blue man has nothing to do with colloidal silver. He was taking silver
>> chloride, which we all know will cause this condition, my web site was
>> warning about it years before he got his condition.  No one has ever been
>> reported getting argyria from real EIS, although some of have gotten some
>> gray fingernail moons.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>> oasisgr...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> I understand,
>>>  Now I am wondering if I should treat my mare with this or not ?   I read
>>> an article referencing that "Blue Man" and his issues and experiences ...
>>> someone please speak up.
>>>  JoAnne
>>>  In a message dated 1/22/2010 3:23:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes:
>>>
>>>Can anyone discredit that study, how it was performed, and its
>>>conclusions? Here is the link again:
>>>><
>>> http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
>>> >
>>> http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
>>>
>>>
>>>I mean aside from saying "it ain't true" can someone really
>>>deconstruct it scientifically?
>>>thanks,
>>>sol
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Richard Goodwin]

Could be the tendency when one has a single datapoint that doesn't fit with the 
rest, to just discard it.

Your experience is interesting though.  Be nice to know how common it is for 
longtime users.







From: Dave Darrin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 2:06:16 PM
Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

  How true ! (almost)
Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my 
complection is so gray.
Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making
clear CS without any impurities as far as I could determine. After about eight 
years  of regular use I have reached the point that my color has changed 
noticeably . It started with blue moons and progressed from there. 
 To be very forthright and honest I believe my problem was exacerbated
by my treatment of lack of circulation in my feet with Niacin which opened the 
smallest blood vessels and allowed the silver to migrate into my skin where the 
flush occured. 
 As far as the "Blue man" is concerned I would say he fell into some Rit
or some kind of food dye as Argeria only affects the head not the hands (other 
than the moons), and body in general.
People denying Argeria just might be wrong especially those that tell you that 
the pure stuff can't give it to you as you would drown first from that much 
water--Well if you swallowed it all at once they might have a point.
I hope someone pays attention to this. I've posted on this before with no one 
responding.
Dave

 Summarised:
If you cant do the time don't do the crime
Or
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen





On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:

>The blue man has nothing to do with colloidal silver. He was taking silver 
>chloride, which we all know will cause this condition, my web site was warning 
>about it years before he got his condition.  No one has ever been reported 
>getting argyria from real EIS, although some of have gotten some gray 
>fingernail moons.
>
>>Marshall
>
>
>oasisgr...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>>I understand,
 Now I am wondering if I should treat my mare with this or not ?   I read 
 an article referencing that "Blue Man" and his issues and experiences ... 
 someone please speak up.
 JoAnne
 In a message dated 1/22/2010 3:23:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
 sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes:
>>
Can anyone discredit that study, how it was performed, and its
conclusions? Here is the link again:

 >http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
>>
>>
I mean aside from saying "it ain't true" can someone really
deconstruct it scientifically?
thanks,
sol
>>
>>
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>>
>

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dave Darrin]

Dee
I started out by killing Lyme disease with chugging two pint bottles of Cs
that I bought then taking four ounces of the stuff I made every twenty
minutes for three days. That took care of the Lyme spirochaetes up to this
day eight years later.
 Then I took around a pint a day from then on with no colds or any
congestive problems at all.
It took about a year and a half to repair all the damage done by 42 years of
Lyme  but I'm back in the condition I should have been in at 40 , I'm
turning 74 in a couple of weeks.
 I imagine I have taken hundreds of gallons over that period.
Dave

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> How much did you ingest in a day Dave?  I believe that Ode mentioned it is
> possible to happen even with the correct stuff, if the body's metal removing
> function was impaired somehow.  dee
>
> On 25 Jan 2010, at 19:06, Dave Darrin wrote:
>
> >   How true ! (almost)
> > Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my
> complection is so gray.
> > Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making
> > clear CS without any impurities as far as I could determine. After about
> eight years  of regular use I have reached the point that my color has
> changed noticeably . It started with blue moons and progressed from there.
> >  To be very forthright and honest I believe my problem was exacerbated
> > by my treatment of lack of circulation in my feet with Niacin which
> opened the smallest blood vessels and allowed the silver to migrate into my
> skin where the flush occured.
> >  As far as the "Blue man" is concerned I would say he fell into some Rit
> > or some kind of food dye as Argeria only affects the head not the hands
> (other than the moons), and body in general.
> > People denying Argeria just might be wrong especially those that tell you
> that the pure stuff can't give it to you as you would drown first from that
> much water--Well if you swallowed it all at once they might have a point.
> > I hope someone pays attention to this. I've posted on this before with no
> one responding.
> > Dave
>
>
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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[OASISGROUP]

I am pretty confused, now.So, will I risk side effects  giving this to 
my mare w/ melanomas in her mouth?  She has no visible ones  outside, just 
inside, making riding her w/ a bit an issue.   The vet  and dentist are 
coming out on Feb 12th to do her teeth, sedated.
 
JoAnne
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 2:19:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
d...@deetroy.org writes:

Except  for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my 
complection is  so gray.
> Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was  making

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

How much did you ingest in a day Dave?  I believe that Ode mentioned it is 
possible to happen even with the correct stuff, if the body's metal removing 
function was impaired somehow.  dee

On 25 Jan 2010, at 19:06, Dave Darrin wrote:

>   How true ! (almost)
> Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my 
> complection is so gray.
> Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making
> clear CS without any impurities as far as I could determine. After about 
> eight years  of regular use I have reached the point that my color has 
> changed noticeably . It started with blue moons and progressed from there. 
>  To be very forthright and honest I believe my problem was exacerbated
> by my treatment of lack of circulation in my feet with Niacin which opened 
> the smallest blood vessels and allowed the silver to migrate into my skin 
> where the flush occured. 
>  As far as the "Blue man" is concerned I would say he fell into some Rit
> or some kind of food dye as Argeria only affects the head not the hands 
> (other than the moons), and body in general.
> People denying Argeria just might be wrong especially those that tell you 
> that the pure stuff can't give it to you as you would drown first from that 
> much water--Well if you swallowed it all at once they might have a point.
> I hope someone pays attention to this. I've posted on this before with no one 
> responding.
> Dave


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Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Dave Darrin]

  How true ! (almost)
Except for me, I have very few days that someone doesn't ask me why my
complection is so gray.
Back when everyone was using salt to get a yellow color I was making
clear CS without any impurities as far as I could determine. After about
eight years  of regular use I have reached the point that my color has
changed noticeably . It started with blue moons and progressed from there.
 To be very forthright and honest I believe my problem was exacerbated
by my treatment of lack of circulation in my feet with Niacin which opened
the smallest blood vessels and allowed the silver to migrate into my skin
where the flush occured.
 As far as the "Blue man" is concerned I would say he fell into some Rit
or some kind of food dye as Argeria only affects the head not the hands
(other than the moons), and body in general.
People denying Argeria just might be wrong especially those that tell you
that the pure stuff can't give it to you as you would drown first from that
much water--Well if you swallowed it all at once they might have a point.
I hope someone pays attention to this. I've posted on this before with no
one responding.
Dave

 Summarised:
If you cant do the time don't do the crime
Or
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen




On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> The blue man has nothing to do with colloidal silver. He was taking silver
> chloride, which we all know will cause this condition, my web site was
> warning about it years before he got his condition.  No one has ever been
> reported getting argyria from real EIS, although some of have gotten some
> gray fingernail moons.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> oasisgr...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I understand,
>>  Now I am wondering if I should treat my mare with this or not ?   I read
>> an article referencing that "Blue Man" and his issues and experiences ...
>> someone please speak up.
>>  JoAnne
>>  In a message dated 1/22/2010 3:23:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes:
>>
>>Can anyone discredit that study, how it was performed, and its
>>conclusions? Here is the link again:
>>><
>> http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
>> >
>> http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
>>
>>
>>I mean aside from saying "it ain't true" can someone really
>>deconstruct it scientifically?
>>thanks,
>>sol
>>
>>
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>>
>
>

CS>RE: Ylang Ylang and star anise for dental issues

[Elizabeth Williams]

Some kind soul from this list told me of a remedy for dental issues using Ylang 
Ylang and Star Anise essential oils, but I have lost the recipe. If someone 
remembers responding about this request if they could resubmit the recipe I 
would be so grateful.

Elizabeth Williams
belzi...@hotmail.com



 



  
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Re: CS>Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant

[Malcolm]

Nicely put Marshall!!!

On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 12:16 -0500, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> Yes you are correct. That is like testing if oils (carbon and hydrogen 
> compounds) are poisonous by testing hydrogen cyanide ( HCN ) and using 
> the nitrogen in the air at the control.  Complete obsfuscation.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Mike Monett wrote:
> > ==

> >   >> conclusions? Here is the link again:
> >
> >   >>> http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-
> >   >>> potent-neurotoxicant
> >
> >
> >   "or varying  concentrations of AgNO3 in water. As a control  for any
> >   effect of NO3, we included controls containing NaNO3"
> >
> >   http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2009/0901149/0901149.pdf
> >
> >   The use of sodium nitrate (NaNO3) as a control is highly misleading.
> >   Silver Nitrate   and   Sodium   Nitrate   are   completely different
> >   substances.
> >
> >   Sodium Nitrate is a preservative, used in sausages for  example. You
> >   can eat it without too much harm.
> >
> >   Silver nitrate  is  highly corrosive and  will  destroy  most living
> >   things. You  cannot eat it. The lethal dose is only 2  gms.  Here is
> >   the MSDS sheet:
> >
> >   
> >   Material Safety Data Sheet
> >
> >   Silver Nitrate
> >
> >   EMERGENCY OVERVIEW
> >
> >   Appearance: colorless  or  white. Danger!  Strong  oxidizer. Contact
> >   with other  material  may cause a fire. May  cause  cyanosis (bluish
> >   discoloration of skin due to deficient oxygenation of the blood).
> >
> >   May cause  liver and kidney damage. Corrosive. Causes  eye  and skin
> >   burns. May  cause severe respiratory tract irritation  with possible
> >   burns. May  cause  severe digestive tract  irritation  with possible
> >   burns.
> >
> >   Target Organs: Blood, kidneys, liver.
> >
> >   Potential Health Effects
> >
> >   Eye: Causes eye burns. May cause chemical conjunctivitis and corneal
> >   damage.
> >
> >   Skin: Causes skin burns. May cause skin rash (in milder  cases), and
> >   cold and clammy skin with cyanosis or pale color.
> >
> >   Ingestion: May  cause severe and permanent damage  to  the digestive
> >   tract. Causes gastrointestinal tract burns. May cause perforation of
> >   the digestive  tract.  May cause systemic effects.  Lethal  dose for
> >   humans is 2 grams.
> >
> >   Inhalation: Causes severe irritation of upper respiratory tract with
> >   coughing, burns,  breathing  difficulty, and  possible  coma. Causes
> >   chemical burns  to  the respiratory tract.  Aspiration  may  lead to
> >   pulmonary edema. May cause systemic effects.
> >
> >   Chronic: May  cause  methemoglobinemia,  which  is  characterized by
> >   chocolate-brown colored blood, headache, weakness, dizziness, breath
> >   shortness, cyanosis  (bluish  skin due to  deficient  oxygenation of
> >   blood), rapid heart rate, unconsciousness and possible death.
> >
> >   Effects may  be delayed. Chronic inhalation or  ingestion  may cause
> >   argyria characterized  by blue-gray discoloration of the  eyes, skin
> >   and mucous  membrances.  Chronic skin  contact  may  cause permanent
> >   discoloration of the skin.
> >
> >   Section 4 - First Aid Measures
> >
> >   Eyes: Get  medical  aid immediately. Do NOT allow victim  to  rub or
> >   keep eyes  closed. Extensive irrigation with water  is  required (at
> >   least 30 minutes).
> >
> >   Skin: Get  medical  aid  immediately.  Immediately  flush  skin with
> >   plenty of  soap  and water for at least  15  minutes  while removing
> >   contaminated clothing and shoes. Wash clothing before reuse. Destroy
> >   contaminated shoes.
> >
> >   Ingestion: Do NOT induce vomiting. If victim is conscious and alert,
> >   give 2-4  cupfuls of milk or water. Never give anything by  mouth to
> >   an unconscious person. Get medical aid immediately.
> >
> >   Notes to Physician: Treat symptomatically and supportively.
> >
> >   Section 313  This  material contains  Nitric  Acid,  Silver(1+) Salt
> >   (listed as ** undefined **), 100%, (CAS# 7761-88-8) which is subject
> >   to the  reporting requirements of Section 313 of SARA Title  III and
> >   40 CFR Part 373.
> >
> >   http://avogadro.chem.iastate.edu/MSDS/AgNO3.htm
> >   
> >
> >   It is  not  surprising that any study using  silver  nitrate  as the
> >   source of silver ions will conclude that silver is harmful. But this
> >   is a false conclusion.
> >
> >   Silver ions by themself are non-toxic to humans and  have tremendous
> >   healing effects. However, like most substances, silver combined with
> >   other substances can have effects that range from benign to lethal.
> >
> >   This is often used to persuade people that silver ions  are harmful,
> >   and should be banned.
> >
> >   Regards,
> >
> >   Mike
> > ==
> >
> >
> > --
> > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Sil

CS>Buying Silver

[Leslie]

Someone on here told where they were buying their silver and I seem to have 
lost that info. Could you or anyone on here give me some advice on buying good 
silver at a decent price??

I seem to always be making my lists and checking it twice and then starting all 
over. Does anyone else feel that they need s much but cannot afford to get 
everything you need?? Just occasionally order a couple of things; have a 
generator and guess it will do if I get some silver to last at least through 
the bad times coming.

Thanks for all your patience!

Leslie

Re: CS>Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant

[Marshall Dudley]

Yes you are correct. That is like testing if oils (carbon and hydrogen 
compounds) are poisonous by testing hydrogen cyanide ( HCN ) and using 
the nitrogen in the air at the control.  Complete obsfuscation.


Marshall

Mike Monett wrote:

==
  >> From: sol 
  >> Date: 23 January 2010 6:53:28 AM
  >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  >> Subject: Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

  >> Can anyone  discredit that study, how it was  performed,  and its
  >> conclusions? Here is the link again:

  >>> http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-
  >>> potent-neurotoxicant

  >> I mean  aside  from  saying "it ain't  true"  can  someone really
  >> deconstruct it scientifically?

  >> thanks,
  >> sol

  > I've read most of the 32 page study and wouldn't try  to discredit
  > it but  just try to put it into perspective.  How  accurately does
  > this lab test represent a real life situation? They used DNA cells
  > floating in a bath of 'pure' silver water' (not blood or plasma).

  > At 'high  concentrations'  the  silver   was  toxic.  At  very low
  > concentrations it seemed to protect the cells. (At least thats how
  > it appeared to me.)

  > Perhaps I  missed it but I couldn't find any  description  of what
  > type of  silver it was or how it was prepared or how  the strength
  > was determined. (Was it silver salt, electrolytic silver etc).

  [...]

  > I hope  other  listers will read the study and  comment.  It makes
  > some interesting suggestions about how silver works.

  > Finally, I'm  not a scientist so I could  be  misunderstanding the
  > study entirely.

  >David

  Most of  these studies use silver nitrate (AgNO3) as  the  source of
  silver ions. In this study, page 8 states:

  "or varying  concentrations of AgNO3 in water. As a control  for any
  effect of NO3, we included controls containing NaNO3"

  http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2009/0901149/0901149.pdf

  The use of sodium nitrate (NaNO3) as a control is highly misleading.
  Silver Nitrate   and   Sodium   Nitrate   are   completely different
  substances.

  Sodium Nitrate is a preservative, used in sausages for  example. You
  can eat it without too much harm.

  Silver nitrate  is  highly corrosive and  will  destroy  most living
  things. You  cannot eat it. The lethal dose is only 2  gms.  Here is
  the MSDS sheet:

  
  Material Safety Data Sheet

  Silver Nitrate

  EMERGENCY OVERVIEW

  Appearance: colorless  or  white. Danger!  Strong  oxidizer. Contact
  with other  material  may cause a fire. May  cause  cyanosis (bluish
  discoloration of skin due to deficient oxygenation of the blood).

  May cause  liver and kidney damage. Corrosive. Causes  eye  and skin
  burns. May  cause severe respiratory tract irritation  with possible
  burns. May  cause  severe digestive tract  irritation  with possible
  burns.

  Target Organs: Blood, kidneys, liver.

  Potential Health Effects

  Eye: Causes eye burns. May cause chemical conjunctivitis and corneal
  damage.

  Skin: Causes skin burns. May cause skin rash (in milder  cases), and
  cold and clammy skin with cyanosis or pale color.

  Ingestion: May  cause severe and permanent damage  to  the digestive
  tract. Causes gastrointestinal tract burns. May cause perforation of
  the digestive  tract.  May cause systemic effects.  Lethal  dose for
  humans is 2 grams.

  Inhalation: Causes severe irritation of upper respiratory tract with
  coughing, burns,  breathing  difficulty, and  possible  coma. Causes
  chemical burns  to  the respiratory tract.  Aspiration  may  lead to
  pulmonary edema. May cause systemic effects.

  Chronic: May  cause  methemoglobinemia,  which  is  characterized by
  chocolate-brown colored blood, headache, weakness, dizziness, breath
  shortness, cyanosis  (bluish  skin due to  deficient  oxygenation of
  blood), rapid heart rate, unconsciousness and possible death.

  Effects may  be delayed. Chronic inhalation or  ingestion  may cause
  argyria characterized  by blue-gray discoloration of the  eyes, skin
  and mucous  membrances.  Chronic skin  contact  may  cause permanent
  discoloration of the skin.

  Section 4 - First Aid Measures

  Eyes: Get  medical  aid immediately. Do NOT allow victim  to  rub or
  keep eyes  closed. Extensive irrigation with water  is  required (at
  least 30 minutes).

  Skin: Get  medical  aid  immediately.  Immediately  flush  skin with
  plenty of  soap  and water for at least  15  minutes  while removing
  contaminated clothing and shoes. Wash clothing before reuse. Destroy
  contaminated shoes.

  Ingestion: Do NOT induce vomiting. If victim is conscious and alert,
  give 2-4  cupfuls of milk or water. Never give anything by  mouth to
  an unconscious person. Get medical aid immediately.

  Notes to Physician: Treat symptomatically and supportively.

  Section 313  This  material contains  Nitric  Acid,  Silve

Re: CS>article, "Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant"

[Marshall Dudley]

The blue man has nothing to do with colloidal silver. He was taking 
silver chloride, which we all know will cause this condition, my web 
site was warning about it years before he got his condition.  No one has 
ever been reported getting argyria from real EIS, although some of have 
gotten some gray fingernail moons.


Marshall

oasisgr...@aol.com wrote:

I understand,
 
Now I am wondering if I should treat my mare with this or not ?   I 
read an article referencing that "Blue Man" and his issues and 
experiences ... someone please speak up.
 
JoAnne
 
In a message dated 1/22/2010 3:23:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com writes:


Can anyone discredit that study, how it was performed, and its
conclusions? Here is the link again:

>http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/


I mean aside from saying "it ain't true" can someone really
deconstruct it scientifically?
thanks,
sol


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Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,

[M. G. Devour]

And on that note, may I remind and suggest that we ought not continue 
this topice lest we eventually ruffle some feathers? It's a prohibited 
topic on the main list, y'know.

Thanks!

Mike D.
da list owner guy

Ode Coyote wrote:
> At 12:17 PM 1/24/2010 -0600, you wrote:
>> Ode, please note that a christian is supposed to be Christ like but
>> not all are. Perhaps the word might be hypocrite. Leslie
>
>
>   Right...that's why the moniker "professing" to make a 
> differentiation outlining the "use" of a belief system to manipulate
> vs actually believing it.
>  A LOT of con men do that, so when I see someone pounding the Bible, 
> my guard goes up and the BS meter wiggles.
>
> Ode
>
That brings to mind the Bible salesman in "O brother Where art Thou".

Marshall


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Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

[M. G. Devour]

Richard writes:
> Either this guy is paranoid, or ultra sensitive, or onto something
> that might be relevant to everyone including us... 

Mike's struggles with mold are absolutely authentic, so it's not 
paranoia. That damn stuff IS out to get him! 

His sensitization due to previous exposure has rendered him like a 
canary in a coal mine as far as mold infestation is concerned.

We would all be well advised to take note of his experiences on the 
chance we encounter similar situations in our own lives or those of 
people around us.

So, 2 for 3 there, Richard! Not bad. 

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

[Marshall Dudley]

Take a look at this:
http://www.ezhottubs.com/news/spa_filth.htm

Marshall

martsmai...@aol.com wrote:

What is reason for CS in hot tub
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:17:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:


Told you I could do the math right ... one more time:

200 cups, 50 quarts, 12+ gallons.  It's early... :-)

Dick


*From:* Richard Goodwin 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, January 25, 2010 7:07:38 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Yow!  1/2 cup of EIS per gallon of hot tub water?

That would be ... if I do the math right ... for a 400 gallon hot
tub, 200 cups, 40 quarts, 10 gallons of EIS. 


I use it in our hot tub too, but put about 1/2 gallon into it
(approx 400 gallons of hot tub water).  It seems to work ok. 
Water stays clear and sweet, and doesn't create any problems that

we know of.

Here's a question:  Is there any good way to test hot tub (or
other) water for bacteria growth?

Dick


*From:* John E. Stevens 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, January 25, 2010 5:02:12 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Hi, Gayla:

Thanks, Gayla.  About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not
worried about using too much because I know CSW is good for my
skin, too.  I'm kind of guessing at how much to use because I
can't find any info on it - so I use what I think is appropriate
and safe.

John

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts mailto:aera...@gmail.com>> wrote:

John very interesting! How much CS do you use per gallon in
your tub? I have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat
with CS.
The house sounds lovely!
Gayla

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*From:* John E. Stevens 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
*Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Lisa:

My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power.  My total
total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the
coldest of NY winters.  Basically because I have a passive
solar heated home





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Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,

[Marshall Dudley]

Ode Coyote wrote:

At 12:17 PM 1/24/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Ode, please note that a christian is supposed to be Christ like but 
not all are. Perhaps the word might be hypocrite. Leslie



  Right...that's why the moniker "professing" to make a 
differentiation outlining the "use" of a belief system to manipulate 
vs actually believing

it.
 A LOT of con men do that, so when I see someone pounding the Bible, 
my guard goes up and the BS meter wiggles.


Ode


That brings to mind the Bible salesman in "O brother Where art Thou".

Marshall


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Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

[sol]

At 05:22 AM 1/25/2010, you wrote:
ultra sensitive,This is what  can happen to your body after massive 
exposure,you become ultra sensitive.



Works the same way with allergies.
sol 



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Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

[Dan Nave]

Mike,

I wonder if you have considered Chlorine Dioxide to control the mold
in your house.  Read the article below.
A slow release CL02 system can be bought, and consists, I believe, of
sodium chlorite powder mixed with bentonite clay in a porous bag.
Moisture in the environment causes release of small quantities of
chlorine dioxide which kills the mold spores.  I would assume one
could figure out how to make them.  This is similar to the MMS
(Miracle Mineral Supplement) touted by Jim Humble.

Dan

http://cool.conservation-us.org/byorg/abbey/an/an26/an26-6/an26-618.html

Volume 26, Number 6
Oct 2003

Chlorine Dioxide: A Treatment for Mold in Libraries
By Kristina L. Southwell

Mold has been recognized as a serious threat to the safety and
longevity of library materials for many years. Its ability to weaken,
discolor, and destroy books and other paper items is well known.
Although most librarians and archivists are aware of mold's negative
effects on collections, many do not have first hand experience in
dealing with an active mold bloom until mold is unexpectedly
discovered in their library's stacks. In 1991, employees at the
University of Oklahoma Libraries received a quick course in mold
abatement, when mold was found growing in a book stack area.1

The mold bloom, initiated by a combination of roof leaks and
malfunctioning air handling systems, occurred in the oldest portion of
the building. The book stacks in this area house older,
Dewey-classified books on steel shelving. Low ceilings, narrow aisles
and heavy doors that close off the decks from the other more
frequently used areas of the library create an environment that often
has less than adequate airflow. The lack of good air circulation
combined with the accidental added moisture and heat produced a
climate well-suited for mold growth.

As with any situation in which a mold bloom occurs, attention was
first given to stabilizing the temperature and humidity by repairing
the roof leaks and the air handling system. When these factors were
brought under control, library workers began using a thymol solution
to wipe mold from the books. When concerns arose about possible
carcinogenic effects of thymol. The treatment was halted and a
microbiologist was consulted for advice on an alternative chemical
treatment. Library administrators chose chlorine dioxide for its
effectiveness as a sporicide, and for its safety level for library
employees and patrons.

Chlorine dioxide is commonly used as a biocidal agent in water
treatment applications, paper manufacturing, and many branches of the
food processing industry.2 It can be used in both aqueous and gaseous
forms, and has recently gained notoriety as the agent used to combat
anthrax in the Hart Senate Building on Capital Hill, and U.S. postal
facilities in New Jersey and Washington, D.C. Because of its history
of use by various industries, statistical data on chlorine dioxide's
safety is available from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and
the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Agency.3

Several methods of using ClO2 were tried in the next few years, but
finally (for a particularly hard-to-treat area in a closed
collection), self-activating packets of chlorine dioxide, marketed
under the name Aseptrol."4

The small packets contain powder that reacts with humidity in the air
to release chlorine dioxide in gaseous form. A total of six packets
were hung with wire ties between the bookshelves, in a closed area
that measures about 12,000 square feet. This approach stopped the mold
bloom, and no subsequent infestations have been found in this area.

As a result of the success of chlorine dioxide in these areas, the
University Libraries continue to use chlorine dioxide packets to
control mold growth in emergency situations, as well as areas that
require regular treatment due to fluctuating temperature and humidity
levels. In the spring of 2003, a steam pipe burst under the branch
library that houses architecture materials, creating an ideal hot and
humid environment for a mold bloom. Chlorine dioxide packets were
immediately hung after the steam pipe was repaired, and to date no
mold growth has been detected.

The University Libraries also have found that chlorine dioxide packets
are particularly well suited for controlling mold growth in special
collections areas, which often consist of small, enclosed storage
areas that do not receive much traffic from library employees or
patrons. The self-activating chlorine dioxide packets can be hung and
left to work without requiring constant monitoring by library staff.
The regular presence of mold eradication chemicals in areas with
unstable environments or a past history of mold infestation provides
an added level of security for susceptible collections.

As a follow-up study, in 2000 the University Libraries conducted a
test on the library materials that were treated with chlorine dioxide
in the 1991 mold outbreak in the decks. This test was designed to
determin

Fwd: CS> Check out The Cancer Answer

[Martsmail53]

 
  

 From: martsmai...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: 1/24/2010  8:52:11 A.M. Central Standard Time
Subj: CS> Check out The Cancer  Answer







_Click  here: The Cancer Answer_ 
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=380881482962821998#)  

Re: CS> Check out The Cancer Answer

[Leslie]

Thank you. I watched a little as I was getting ready to leave yesterday. Went 
there late last night and again this morning and it is unavailable. Geez. I 
missed most of it. Do you know if it is anywhere else??
Leslie
  - Original Message - 
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:52 AM
  Subject: CS> Check out The Cancer Answer






Click here: The Cancer Answer 

Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC Hot Tubs

[Richard Goodwin]

Definitely interested -- but again, how much h2o2 would it take?





From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 8:44:12 AM
Subject: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC Hot Tubs

 
Use ceramic magnets and hydrogen peroxide. I know someone who uses hydrogen 
peroxide rather than CS.. If your interested I will get scope for you for hot 
tubs, on how much she uses and what type. 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:48:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:
Kills bacteria, viruses, etc. (viri?), and is much more healthful for 
>  humans than chlorine, bromine, or the other stuff they use for that 
>  purpose.
>
>
>
>

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
>  
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:24:22 
>  AM
>Subject: Re: CS>CS > 
>  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
>
>What is reason for CS in hot 
>  tub
> 
>In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:17:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
>  dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:
>Told you I could do the math right ... one more time:
>>
>>200 cups, 
>>50 quarts, 12+ gallons.  It's early... :-)
>>
>>Dick
>>
>>
>>
>>

 From: Richard Goodwin 
>>
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:07:38 
>>AM
>>Subject: Re: CS>CS 
>>> OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
>>
>>
>>Yow!  1/2 cup of EIS per gallon of hot tub water?
>>
>>That 
>>would be ... if I do the math right ... for a 400 gallon hot tub, 200 
>> cups, 
>>40 quarts, 10 gallons of EIS.  
>>
>>I use it in our hot tub too, but 
>>put about 1/2 gallon into it (approx 400 gallons of hot tub water).  It 
>>seems to work ok.  Water stays clear and sweet, and doesn't create any 
>>problems that we know of.
>>
>>Here's a question:  Is there any good 
>>way to test hot tub (or other) water for bacteria 
>>growth?
>>
>>Dick
>>
>>
>>
>>

 From: John E. Stevens 
>>
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:02:12 
>>AM
>>Subject: Re: CS>CS 
>>> OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
>>
>>Hi, Gayla:
>>
>>Thanks, 
>>Gayla.  About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not worried 
>>about using too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too.  I'm 
>>kind of guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - 
>> so 
>>I use what I think is appropriate and safe.
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts  >>
>>wrote:
>>
>>John very interesting! How much CS do you use per 
>>>  gallon in your tub? I have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to 
>>> treat 
>>>  with CS.
>>>The house sounds lovely!
>>>Gayla 
>>>
 

RE: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC Hot Tubs

[Lisa]

Yes this would be great information (just as valuable as the Sauna
information).

 

Many thanks to all :-)

 

Lisa

 

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From: martsmai...@aol.com [mailto:martsmai...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC Hot Tubs

 

 

Use ceramic magnets and hydrogen peroxide. I know someone who uses hydrogen
peroxide rather than CS.. If your interested I will get scope for you for
hot tubs, on how much she uses and what type. 

In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:48:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:

Kills bacteria, viruses, etc. (viri?), and is much more healthful for humans
than chlorine, bromine, or the other stuff they use for that purpose.

 


  _  


From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:24:22 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

What is reason for CS in hot tub

 

In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:17:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:

Told you I could do the math right ... one more time:

200 cups, 50 quarts, 12+ gallons.  It's early... :-)

Dick

 


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From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:07:38 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Yow!  1/2 cup of EIS per gallon of hot tub water?

That would be ... if I do the math right ... for a 400 gallon hot tub, 200
cups, 40 quarts, 10 gallons of EIS.  

I use it in our hot tub too, but put about 1/2 gallon into it (approx 400
gallons of hot tub water).  It seems to work ok.  Water stays clear and
sweet, and doesn't create any problems that we know of.

Here's a question:  Is there any good way to test hot tub (or other) water
for bacteria growth?

Dick

 


  _  


From: John E. Stevens 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:02:12 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Hi, Gayla:

Thanks, Gayla.  About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not worried about
using too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too.  I'm kind of
guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - so I use
what I think is appropriate and safe.

John

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts  wrote:

John very interesting! How much CS do you use per gallon in your tub? I have
a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat with CS.

The house sounds lovely!

Gayla


 

CS>CS > OFF TOPIC Hot Tubs

[Martsmail53]

Use ceramic magnets and hydrogen peroxide. I know someone who uses hydrogen 
 peroxide rather than CS.. If your interested I will get scope for you for 
hot  tubs, on how much she uses and what type. 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:48:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:

 
Kills bacteria, viruses, etc. (viri?), and is much more healthful for  
humans than chlorine, bromine, or the other stuff they use for that  purpose.


 

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com"  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:24:22  AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS >  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

What is reason for CS in hot  tub
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:17:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:

 
Told you I could do the math right ... one more time:

200 cups,  50 quarts, 12+ gallons.  It's early... :-)

Dick


 

 From: Richard Goodwin  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:07:38  AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS  > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS


Yow!  1/2 cup of EIS per gallon of hot tub water?

That  would be ... if I do the math right ... for a 400 gallon hot tub, 200 
cups,  40 quarts, 10 gallons of EIS.  

I use it in our hot tub too, but  put about 1/2 gallon into it (approx 400 
gallons of hot tub water).  It  seems to work ok.  Water stays clear and 
sweet, and doesn't create any  problems that we know of.

Here's a question:  Is there any good  way to test hot tub (or other) water 
for bacteria  growth?

Dick


 

 From: John E. Stevens  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:02:12  AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS  > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Hi, Gayla:

Thanks,  Gayla.  About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not worried  
about using too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too.  I'm  kind of 
guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - so  I use 
what I think is appropriate and safe.

John

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts <_aera...@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:aera...@gmail.com) >  wrote:


John very interesting! How much CS do you use per  gallon in your tub? I 
have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat  with CS.
The house sounds lovely!
Gayla

Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

[Richard Goodwin]

Kills bacteria, viruses, etc. (viri?), and is much more healthful for humans 
than chlorine, bromine, or the other stuff they use for that purpose.





From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:24:22 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

What is reason for CS in hot tub
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:17:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:
Told you I could do the math right ... one more time:
>
>200 cups, 50 
>  quarts, 12+ gallons.  It's early... :-)
>
>Dick
>
>
>
>

 From: Richard Goodwin 
>  
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:07:38 
>  AM
>Subject: Re: CS>CS > 
>  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
>
>
>Yow!  1/2 cup of EIS per gallon of hot tub water?
>
>That would 
>  be ... if I do the math right ... for a 400 gallon hot tub, 200 cups, 40 
>  quarts, 10 gallons of EIS.  
>
>I use it in our hot tub too, but put 
>  about 1/2 gallon into it (approx 400 gallons of hot tub water).  It seems 
>  to work ok.  Water stays clear and sweet, and doesn't create any problems 
>  that we know of.
>
>Here's a question:  Is there any good way to test 
>  hot tub (or other) water for bacteria growth?
>
>Dick
>
>
>
>

 From: John E. Stevens 
>  
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:02:12 
>  AM
>Subject: Re: CS>CS > 
>  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
>
>Hi, Gayla:
>
>Thanks, Gayla.  
>  About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not worried about using 
>  too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too.  I'm kind of 
>  guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - so I use 
>  what I think is appropriate and safe.
>
>John
>
>
>On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts  wrote:
>
>John very interesting! How much CS do you use per 
>>gallon in your tub? I have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat 
>>with CS.
>>The house sounds lovely!
>>Gayla 
>>- 
>>>  Original Message - 
>>>From: John E. Stevens 
>>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>>Sent: >>>  Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:25 AM
>>>Subject: >>>  Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
>>>
>>>Lisa:
>>>
>>>My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house 
>>>  power.  My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in 
>>>  the coldest of NY winters.  Basically because I have a passive solar 
>>>  heated home 
>>> 
>

Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

[Richard Goodwin]

I have heard of the same thing happening to two people (mother, son) who lived 
for a year in a house with a low level propane leak, breathing propane day and 
night in amounts too small to smell.  They are now permanently it seems, 
plagued with ultra-sensitivity to almost any odor or aroma, even ones not 
detectable by anyone else, as well as other less pleasant symptoms.

Dick





From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:22:03 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

ultra sensitive,This is what  can happen to your body after massive 
exposure,you become ultra sensitive. 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:01:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:
Either 
>  this guy is paranoid, or ultra sensitive, or onto something that might be 
>  relevant to everyone including us...
>
>
>

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
>  
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 11:02:44 
>  PM
>Subject: CS>Off Topic 
>  Mold answers from Mike Part Two
>
>Another thing  I have found that is very important is  
>  to   clean all
>the lint  and  dirt from your living 
>  area.  Look  under  the  bed and
>clean the dust 
>  bunnies  each day. Get a moist sponge and run it along
>the window 
>  ledges.  Clean your desk each day and any counter  or 
>  flat
>surface  where lint can gather. Vacuum the entire area 
>  daily.  If you
>live in  a house with a carpet, move. You need to 
>  find  a   new place
>with a  hardwood  or low voc 
>  tile floor that  has  a  sealed basement
>that doesn't grow 
>  mold. This is  not easy to find.
>
>Mold grows  on  the 
>  lint and fills  the environment  with  spores. If
>your 
>  body  uses  all its resources to fight the mold when you  are 
>  at
>home,  there is very little left to handle the spores in the 
>  car.
>
>It  is  important  to  realize the biggest 
>  source  of   spores  is the
>bedding you  use each 
>  night. Mold grows  in the cotton  and polyester
>fibres, and you 
>  breath the  spores in for eight hours. Then your body
>has to spend the 
>  rest of  the day trying to get rid of them.
>
>I have  tried 
>  many  different ways of killing the spores  in 
>  bedding.
>They  do  not  work.  The spores are  
>  invulnerable   to  any household
>chemical or  
>  processing temperature  you can  use  without 
>  destroying
>the  fabric.
>
>About the  only thing I have found 
>  that partially  works  is  to wash
>the bedding  each 
>  day using a  cup of fresh bleach in the tub  at the
>start 
>  of  the  wash cycle. Use the minimum amount of  soap  that 
>  will
>still make  a few bubbles. I use about a teaspoon in my  
>  Kenmore  HE3
>front loader. The reason for using an extremely small 
>  amount  of soap 
>is
>to  minimize  the  lint  
>generated   in  the  fabric.  This 
>  goes
>everywhere and soon starts growing mold.
>
>I am  working 
>  on  a machine using ozone to kill the  spores.  This 
>  is
>normally a  serious problem since ozone generators do not  
>  work  when
>the humidity  is  high or in high room  
>  temperatures. But  I  think I
>have found  a   
>  solution to the problem and will let you  know  if it
>works as 
>  well as I think it will.
>
>Finally, you can mount a  high efficiency 
>  furnace filter on  the back 
>of
>a 20 inch box  fan and turn 
>  the fan on low speed.
>
>The filter  will   slow  
>  the  airflow down  to  the  point  where  
>  the
>propeller ceases  to  function as an airfoil. But it  
>  will  act  as a
>paddle and  spray air out the sides  of 
>  the case. This  is sufficient
>for a bit of new air to  enter the 
>  filter.
>
>The problem  is the filter doesn't do a  good job on 
>  the  tiny spores
>that cause  the greatest  problems. I 
>  bought two of  the professional
>version of   the  
>  Dylos  Air Quality Monitors  to  monitor  the  
>  spore
>count.
>
>I have  tried  a number of  different 
>  vendor's filters,  and  most of
>them  simply  do not 
>  work. The best I found was the 3M  Filtret  9500.
>This 
>  costs  around $30.00, but the Dylos shows only  gets  about 
>  half
>the spores.  So  you need to use  it in a closed  
>  room  where  it can
>recirculate the  air and get a few more 
>  spores on each pass.
>
>The next problem  is the filter doesn't last 
>  very long. It  starts to
>pick  up  lint  from the air 
>  which collects on  the   filter.  Soon it
>starts 
>  growing  mold. Now, instead of  filtering the spores  from 
>  the
>air, it  becomes  a  spore generator. After a few 
>  days,  you  have to
>discard  the filter and buy a new one. 
>  This gets very expensive.
>
>I  have  tried  a  
>  number   ofways   of  filtering  
>  the  air using
>electrostatic fields from dual polarity high voltage 
>  generators.  The
>high voltage  causes  a  few 
>  major  problems.  Dirt  collects  in the
>housing 
>  and  causes the system to 

Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

[Martsmail53]

What is reason for CS in hot tub
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:17:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:

 
Told you I could do the math right ... one more time:

200 cups, 50  quarts, 12+ gallons.  It's early... :-)

Dick


 

 From: Richard Goodwin  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:07:38  AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS >  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS


Yow!  1/2 cup of EIS per gallon of hot tub water?

That would  be ... if I do the math right ... for a 400 gallon hot tub, 200 
cups, 40  quarts, 10 gallons of EIS.  

I use it in our hot tub too, but put  about 1/2 gallon into it (approx 400 
gallons of hot tub water).  It seems  to work ok.  Water stays clear and 
sweet, and doesn't create any problems  that we know of.

Here's a question:  Is there any good way to test  hot tub (or other) water 
for bacteria growth?

Dick


 

 From: John E. Stevens  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:02:12  AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS >  OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Hi, Gayla:

Thanks, Gayla.   About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not worried 
about using  too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too.  I'm kind of 
 
guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - so I use  
what I think is appropriate and safe.

John

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts <_aera...@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:aera...@gmail.com) > wrote:


John very interesting! How much CS do you use per  gallon in your tub? I 
have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat  with CS.
The house sounds lovely!
Gayla

 
-  Original Message - 
From:  _John E. Stevens_ (mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com)  
To:  _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com)   

 
Sent:  Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:25 AM
Subject:  Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS


Lisa:

My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house  power.  My total total electric and 
gas bill runs about $143.00 in  the coldest of NY winters.  Basically because 
I have a passive solar  heated home  

Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

[Martsmail53]

ultra sensitive,This is what  can happen to your body after massive  
exposure,you become ultra sensitive. 
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 6:01:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes:

Either  this guy is paranoid, or ultra sensitive, or onto something that 
might be  relevant to everyone including us...

 

 From: "martsmai...@aol.com"  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 11:02:44  PM
Subject: CS>Off Topic  Mold answers from Mike Part Two

Another thing  I have found that is very important is   to   clean all
the lint  and  dirt from your living  area.  Look  under  the  bed and
clean the dust  bunnies  each day. Get a moist sponge and run it along
the window  ledges.  Clean your desk each day and any counter  or  flat
surface  where lint can gather. Vacuum the entire area  daily.  If you
live in  a house with a carpet, move. You need to  find  a   new place
with a  hardwood  or low voc  tile floor that  has  a  sealed basement
that doesn't grow  mold. This is  not easy to find.

Mold grows  on  the  lint and fills  the environment  with  spores. If
your  body  uses  all its resources to fight the mold when you  are  at
home,  there is very little left to handle the spores in the  car.

It  is  important  to  realize the biggest  source  of   spores  is the
bedding you  use each  night. Mold grows  in the cotton  and polyester
fibres, and you  breath the  spores in for eight hours. Then your body
has to spend the  rest of  the day trying to get rid of them.

I have  tried  many  different ways of killing the spores  in  bedding.
They  do  not  work.  The spores are   invulnerable   to  any household
chemical or   processing temperature  you can  use  without  destroying
the  fabric.

About the  only thing I have found  that partially  works  is  to wash
the bedding  each  day using a  cup of fresh bleach in the tub  at the
start  of  the  wash cycle. Use the minimum amount of  soap  that  will
still make  a few bubbles. I use about a teaspoon in my   Kenmore  HE3
front loader. The reason for using an extremely small  amount  of soap 
is
to  minimize  the  lint   generated   in  the  fabric.  This  goes
everywhere and soon starts growing mold.

I am  working  on  a machine using ozone to kill the  spores.  This  is
normally a  serious problem since ozone generators do not   work  when
the humidity  is  high or in high room   temperatures. But  I  think I
have found  asolution to the problem and will let you  know  if it
works as  well as I think it will.

Finally, you can mount a  high efficiency  furnace filter on  the back 
of
a 20 inch box  fan and turn  the fan on low speed.

The filter  will   slow   the  airflow down  to  the  point  where   the
propeller ceases  to  function as an airfoil. But it   will  act  as a
paddle and  spray air out the sides  of  the case. This  is sufficient
for a bit of new air to  enter the  filter.

The problem  is the filter doesn't do a  good job on  the  tiny spores
that cause  the greatest  problems. I  bought two of  the professional
version of   the   Dylos  Air Quality Monitors  to  monitor  the   spore
count.

I have  tried  a number of  different  vendor's filters,  and  most of
them  simply  do not  work. The best I found was the 3M  Filtret  9500.
This  costs  around $30.00, but the Dylos shows only  gets  about  half
the spores.  So  you need to use  it in a closed   room  where  it can
recirculate the  air and get a few more  spores on each pass.

The next problem  is the filter doesn't last  very long. It  starts to
pick  up  lint  from the air  which collects on  the   filter.  Soon it
starts  growing  mold. Now, instead of  filtering the spores  from  the
air, it  becomes  a  spore generator. After a few  days,  you  have to
discard  the filter and buy a new one.  This gets very expensive.

I  have  tried  a   number   ofways   of  filtering   the  air using
electrostatic fields from dual polarity high voltage  generators.  The
high voltage  causes  a  few  major  problems.  Dirt  collects  in the
housing  and  causes the system to arc over. The negative HV generator  
is
not  designed to handle arcovers, and it is quickly  destroyed.

The  next  problem  is humidity. When it  is  hot  and   humid outside,
moisture collects   on  the housing and  causes  severe  problems  with
arcover.

I  may have found a solution to this problem and  I am in  the  process
of building a system to try it. I will let  you know if it  works.

Regards,

Mike

P.S. This   information may be of interest to  others in the  list. If  
it
is OK with you, would you mind  posting this reply to the   group?  

Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

[Richard Goodwin]

Told you I could do the math right ... one more time:

200 cups, 50 quarts, 12+ gallons.  It's early... :-)

Dick





From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:07:38 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS


Yow!  1/2 cup of EIS per gallon of hot tub water?

That would be ... if I do the math right ... for a 400 gallon hot tub, 200 
cups, 40 quarts, 10 gallons of EIS.  

I use it in our hot tub too, but put about 1/2 gallon into it (approx 400 
gallons of hot tub water).  It seems to work ok.  Water stays clear and sweet, 
and doesn't create any problems that we know of.

Here's a question:  Is there any good way to test hot tub (or other) water for 
bacteria growth?

Dick





From: John E. Stevens 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:02:12 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Hi, Gayla:

Thanks, Gayla.  About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not worried about 
using too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too.  I'm kind of 
guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - so I use what 
I think is appropriate and safe.

John


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>John very interesting! How much CS do you use per gallon 
>in your tub? I have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat with 
>CS.
>The house sounds lovely!
>Gayla
>- Original Message - 
>>From: John E. Stevens 
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:25 
>>  AM
>>Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR 
>>  SAUNAS
>>
>>Lisa:
>>
>>My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power.  
>>  My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of 
>> NY 
>>  winters.  Basically because I have a passive solar heated home 
>>

Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

[Richard Goodwin]

Was being a little tongue in cheek there -- actually, I have suspected that 
mold is causing problems especially in my house for  some time now, but don't 
really have a clue what to do about it.

I use a steam humidifier, so that should at least help prevent it at least from 
that source, and I've used the mold test kits you can get from Home Depot, grew 
all sorts of interesting stuff in the agar, but their analysis didn't have much 
to say.  

I would think that EIS would help kill mold that gets into your body, 
especially if you spray it, breathe it, etc.  

It's hard to know what effects mold may be having, or not.  

What are symptoms of mold overdoses?

Dick





From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 7:01:24 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two


Either this guy is paranoid, or ultra sensitive, or onto something that might 
be relevant to everyone including us...




From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 11:02:44 PM
Subject: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

Another thing  I have found that is very important is  
to   clean all
the lint  and  dirt from your living 
area.  Look  under  the  bed and
clean the dust 
bunnies  each day. Get a moist sponge and run it along
the window 
ledges.  Clean your desk each day and any counter  or 
flat
surface  where lint can gather. Vacuum the entire area daily.  
If you
live in  a house with a carpet, move. You need to find  
a   new place
with a  hardwood  or low voc tile floor 
that  has  a  sealed basement
that doesn't grow mold. This 
is  not easy to find.

Mold grows  on  the lint and 
fills  the environment  with  spores. If
your body  
uses  all its resources to fight the mold when you  are 
at
home,  there is very little left to handle the spores in the 
car.

It  is  important  to  realize the biggest 
source  of   spores  is the
bedding you  use each 
night. Mold grows  in the cotton  and polyester
fibres, and you 
breath the  spores in for eight hours. Then your body
has to spend the 
rest of  the day trying to get rid of them.

I have  tried 
many  different ways of killing the spores  in bedding.
They  
do  not  work.  The spores are  invulnerable   
to  any household
chemical or  processing temperature  you 
can  use  without destroying
the  fabric.

About 
the  only thing I have found that partially  works  is  to 
wash
the bedding  each day using a  cup of fresh bleach in the 
tub  at the
start of  the  wash cycle. Use the minimum amount 
of  soap  that will
still make  a few bubbles. I use about a 
teaspoon in my  Kenmore  HE3
front loader. The reason for using an 
extremely small amount  of soap 
is
to  minimize  the  
lintgenerated   in  the  fabric.  This 
goes
everywhere and soon starts growing mold.

I am  working 
on  a machine using ozone to kill the  spores.  This 
is
normally a  serious problem since ozone generators do not  
work  when
the humidity  is  high or in high room  
temperatures. But  I  think I
have found  a   
solution to the problem and will let you  know  if it
works as well 
as I think it will.

Finally, you can mount a  high efficiency 
furnace filter on  the back 
of
a 20 inch box  fan and turn the 
fan on low speed.

The filter  will   slow  the  
airflow down  to  the  point  where  the
propeller 
ceases  to  function as an airfoil. But it  will  act  
as a
paddle and  spray air out the sides  of the case. This  
is sufficient
for a bit of new air to  enter the filter.

The 
problem  is the filter doesn't do a  good job on the  tiny 
spores
that cause  the greatest  problems. I bought two of  
the professional
version of   the  Dylos  Air Quality 
Monitors  to  monitor  the  spore
count.

I 
have  tried  a number of  different vendor's filters,  
and  most of
them  simply  do not work. The best I found was 
the 3M  Filtret  9500.
This costs  around $30.00, but the 
Dylos shows only  gets  about half
the spores.  So  you 
need to use  it in a closed  room  where  it 
can
recirculate the  air and get a few more spores on each 
pass.

The next problem  is the filter doesn't last very long. 
It  starts to
pick  up  lint  from the air which collects 
on  the   filter.  Soon it
starts growing  mold. 
Now, instead of  filtering the spores  from the
air, it  
becomes  a  spore generator. After a few days,  you  have 
to
discard  the filter and buy a new one. This gets very 
expensive.

I  have  tried  a  number   
ofways   of  filtering  the  air 
using
electrostatic fields from dual polarity high voltage generators.  
The
high voltage  causes  a  few major  problems.  
Dirt  collects  in the
housing and  causes the system to arc 
over. The negative HV generator 
is
not  designed to handle arcovers, 
and it is quickly destroyed.

The  next  problem  is 
humidity. When it is  hot  and   humid outside,
moisture 
collects  on  the housi

Re: CS>EIS and DMSO?

[Ode Coyote]

 EIS is electrically isolated silver.

DMSO reacts with moisture making heat.
 It should be diluted and allowed to cool offtill it doesn't burn 
...and different people have different tolerances.

Typically, it's  10% DMSO to 90% water for most applications.
 Some people can apply it topically straight up, some can't.
And some wind up smelling like an Italian dish and some don't.

Incidentally, garlic and onions have loads of sulphur in them [ like DMSO] 
and do pretty much the same thing.

"Natural Antibiotic" as in, Sulfa drugs.
 Back in the way old days, sick people would soak in a tub of  warm strong 
onion soup to absorb it though the skin.

Could be an MRSA or shingles ticket?

Ode




At 04:46 PM 1/24/2010 -0600, you wrote:


Showing my beginner status again--  in catching up on some reading, I came 
across a few posts that mention

taking EIS with DMSO, and I believe it was taken by mouth.

I have some DMSO roll-on, 70% DMSO, 30% Distilled water, recommended to us 
by a naturopath for muscle
aches or similar, some time ago.  As I recalled it burned some, so it 
mostly sat in the cabinet.  Label says it is
"sold as a solvent, and the choice of the process used in the various 
applications is the sole responsibility of the user."


Are we talking about the same thing?  And if DMSO is drinkable in some 
small percentage, how does one purchase that

and where?

And EIS stands for what?

There is so much to learn.

thanks,
Beth



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Re: CS>Fwd: Colloidal Silver Banned in Europe,

[Ode Coyote]

At 12:17 PM 1/24/2010 -0600, you wrote:
Ode, please note that a christian is supposed to be Christ like but not 
all are. Perhaps the word might be hypocrite. Leslie



  Right...that's why the moniker "professing" to make a differentiation 
outlining the "use" of a belief system to manipulate vs actually believing it.
 A LOT of con men do that, so when I see someone pounding the Bible, my 
guard goes up and the BS meter wiggles.


Ode


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Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

[Richard Goodwin]

Yow!  1/2 cup of EIS per gallon of hot tub water?

That would be ... if I do the math right ... for a 400 gallon hot tub, 200 
cups, 40 quarts, 10 gallons of EIS.  

I use it in our hot tub too, but put about 1/2 gallon into it (approx 400 
gallons of hot tub water).  It seems to work ok.  Water stays clear and sweet, 
and doesn't create any problems that we know of.

Here's a question:  Is there any good way to test hot tub (or other) water for 
bacteria growth?

Dick





From: John E. Stevens 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 5:02:12 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

Hi, Gayla:

Thanks, Gayla.  About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not worried about 
using too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too.  I'm kind of 
guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - so I use what 
I think is appropriate and safe.

John


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>John very interesting! How much CS do you use per gallon 
>in your tub? I have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat with 
>CS.
>The house sounds lovely!
>Gayla
>- Original Message - 
>>From: John E. Stevens 
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>>Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:25 
>>  AM
>>Subject: Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR 
>>  SAUNAS
>>
>>Lisa:
>>
>>My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power.  
>>  My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of 
>> NY 
>>  winters.  Basically because I have a passive solar heated home 
>>

Re: CS>cs for colds

[Ode Coyote]

 Since it's nearly impossible to over do it in spurts, why not carry a 
flask of CS around and nip it every time you think about it and refill as 
needed...until you forget to?

 Many small doses is better than a couple of big ones.
 Using CS as a mouth wash takes care of everything else.  [swish and swallow]

ode


At 10:11 PM 1/24/2010 +0005, you wrote:

Dear Teresa,

You wrote:
> I bought my machine from Utopiasilver last month.  I bought their
> electric generator. I assume you know their machine as someone here
> recommended Utopia.  The PPMs average about 10.  It runs clear to
> slightly yellow.

Excellent, then. That's close enough that the advice everybody gave you
should be directly applicable!

> I put cs water in the humidifier for my Cpap last night.  I feel
> better today.  I started coming down with the cold Friday night.  I
> have been taking mega doses of Vit C and Vit D3.   I can't believe I am
> already feeling better. Thanks to everyone for their replies, Teresa

Isn't that a great thing! Thanks for the report. It's always nice to
hear the results people are getting.

Be well,

Mike D.

>
> - Original Message -
> From: "M. G. Devour" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>cs for colds
>
>
> >> I am new here and still have a lot to learn.  Right now I am coming
> >> down with a cold and am too tired to look this up.  What is the
> >> recommended dosage of cs for a cold?  Also, what is the preventative
> >> dose everyone takes? TIA, Teresa
> >
> > Greetings and welcome, Teresa.
> >
> > All of the advice you've gotten is good, but we lack one piece of
> > information to allow us to put those suggestions in context:
> >
> > What kind of CS do you have?
> >
> > Is it store-bought? What brand? What concentration is claimed for it
> > on the label?
> >
> > Did you make it yourself? Then please describe your generator and
> > method for making it?

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant

[Ode Coyote]

  Hey Mike  I remember you too.

Good to know you're still kickin.

Ode


At 11:56 AM 1/24/2010 -0500, you wrote:

  > At 08:36 PM 1/22/2010, you wrote:

  > I am  so  glad to hear you are doing better and  getting  the mold
  > under control. That is wonderful news!

  > You flatter me overmuch, but I am most flattered that you remember
  > me.

  > I am  very  interested in your new discoveries, and  hope  to hear
  > more about them soon.

  >best wishes back to you,
  >sol

  Hi sol,

  You would be hard to forget. As one of the oldtimers here,  you have
  always provided thoughtful and helpful posts to everyone. It will be
  a pleasure working with you again on new discoveries in making cs.

  Now that I have finally found the key to solving the  mold problems,
  my focus is on eliminating them completely. So it will take a little
  while before I am able to finish building the new instrumentation to
  work on  the contamination problems in cs. But I  think  the results
  will help  explain most of the problems people have had  with making
  good cs, and how to overcome them.

  If I  get  some time, I will post the analysis on  the  data  I have
  collected so far.

  Best Wishes,

  Mike M.


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Re: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

[Richard Goodwin]

Either this guy is paranoid, or ultra sensitive, or onto something that might 
be relevant to everyone including us...




From: "martsmai...@aol.com" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 11:02:44 PM
Subject: CS>Off Topic Mold answers from Mike Part Two

Another thing  I have found that is very important is  
to   clean all
the lint  and  dirt from your living 
area.  Look  under  the  bed and
clean the dust 
bunnies  each day. Get a moist sponge and run it along
the window 
ledges.  Clean your desk each day and any counter  or 
flat
surface  where lint can gather. Vacuum the entire area daily.  
If you
live in  a house with a carpet, move. You need to find  
a   new place
with a  hardwood  or low voc tile floor 
that  has  a  sealed basement
that doesn't grow mold. This 
is  not easy to find.

Mold grows  on  the lint and 
fills  the environment  with  spores. If
your body  
uses  all its resources to fight the mold when you  are 
at
home,  there is very little left to handle the spores in the 
car.

It  is  important  to  realize the biggest 
source  of   spores  is the
bedding you  use each 
night. Mold grows  in the cotton  and polyester
fibres, and you 
breath the  spores in for eight hours. Then your body
has to spend the 
rest of  the day trying to get rid of them.

I have  tried 
many  different ways of killing the spores  in bedding.
They  
do  not  work.  The spores are  invulnerable   
to  any household
chemical or  processing temperature  you 
can  use  without destroying
the  fabric.

About 
the  only thing I have found that partially  works  is  to 
wash
the bedding  each day using a  cup of fresh bleach in the 
tub  at the
start of  the  wash cycle. Use the minimum amount 
of  soap  that will
still make  a few bubbles. I use about a 
teaspoon in my  Kenmore  HE3
front loader. The reason for using an 
extremely small amount  of soap 
is
to  minimize  the  
lintgenerated   in  the  fabric.  This 
goes
everywhere and soon starts growing mold.

I am  working 
on  a machine using ozone to kill the  spores.  This 
is
normally a  serious problem since ozone generators do not  
work  when
the humidity  is  high or in high room  
temperatures. But  I  think I
have found  a   
solution to the problem and will let you  know  if it
works as well 
as I think it will.

Finally, you can mount a  high efficiency 
furnace filter on  the back 
of
a 20 inch box  fan and turn the 
fan on low speed.

The filter  will   slow  the  
airflow down  to  the  point  where  the
propeller 
ceases  to  function as an airfoil. But it  will  act  
as a
paddle and  spray air out the sides  of the case. This  
is sufficient
for a bit of new air to  enter the filter.

The 
problem  is the filter doesn't do a  good job on the  tiny 
spores
that cause  the greatest  problems. I bought two of  
the professional
version of   the  Dylos  Air Quality 
Monitors  to  monitor  the  spore
count.

I 
have  tried  a number of  different vendor's filters,  
and  most of
them  simply  do not work. The best I found was 
the 3M  Filtret  9500.
This costs  around $30.00, but the 
Dylos shows only  gets  about half
the spores.  So  you 
need to use  it in a closed  room  where  it 
can
recirculate the  air and get a few more spores on each 
pass.

The next problem  is the filter doesn't last very long. 
It  starts to
pick  up  lint  from the air which collects 
on  the   filter.  Soon it
starts growing  mold. 
Now, instead of  filtering the spores  from the
air, it  
becomes  a  spore generator. After a few days,  you  have 
to
discard  the filter and buy a new one. This gets very 
expensive.

I  have  tried  a  number   
ofways   of  filtering  the  air 
using
electrostatic fields from dual polarity high voltage generators.  
The
high voltage  causes  a  few major  problems.  
Dirt  collects  in the
housing and  causes the system to arc 
over. The negative HV generator 
is
not  designed to handle arcovers, 
and it is quickly destroyed.

The  next  problem  is 
humidity. When it is  hot  and   humid outside,
moisture 
collects  on  the housing and  causes  severe  problems 
with
arcover.

I  may have found a solution to this problem and I 
am in  the  process
of building a system to try it. I will let you 
know if it  works.

Regards,

Mike

P.S. This  
information may be of interest to  others in the  list. If 
it
is OK with you, would you mind  posting this reply to the  
group? 

Re: CS>EIS and DMSO?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I think the DMSO to take orally is 99.9% and 70% DMSO and 30% distilled water 
Beth.  dee

On 24 Jan 2010, at 22:46, Beth Harrison wrote:

> Showing my beginner status again--  in catching up on some reading, I came 
> across a few posts that mention
> taking EIS with DMSO, and I believe it was taken by mouth.
>  
> I have some DMSO roll-on, 70% DMSO, 30% Distilled water, recommended to us by 
> a naturopath for muscle
> aches or similar, some time ago.  As I recalled it burned some, so it mostly 
> sat in the cabinet.  Label says it is
> "sold as a solvent, and the choice of the process used in the various 
> applications is the sole responsibility of the user."
>  
> Are we talking about the same thing?  And if DMSO is drinkable in some small 
> percentage, how does one purchase that
> and where?
>  
> And EIS stands for what?
>  
> There is so much to learn.
>  
> thanks,
> Beth

Re: CS>Vit C increases iron uptake

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Just shows really, that unless you know exactly what you are doing, it can be a 
very dodgy thing taking some supplements.  I have been taking chlorella, vit C 
ALA and D3 sublingual, along with whey, and the last two days I have felt 
really unwell; so much so, that I have left off all supplements for a few days, 
and am now feeling better.  I experienced the most awful bone-tiredness where I 
could not keep my eyes open; a couple hours after taking them; but could not 
sleep either.  Also a disturbance of vision and subsequent thumping headache.
Now I don't know if its coincidence or what, but I am going to introduce them 
back in one at a time and see what if any, have caused it.  Maybe its because I 
take them altogether, who knows?  dee


On 24 Jan 2010, at 22:03, sol wrote:

> On the iron overload sites I have visited, the recommendation is simply not 
> to take vit C with meals. It is fine to take vit C between meals away from 
> iron containing drinks and foods. Info I read at the Livon Labs site 
> indicates that liposomal C passes from the stomach or intestines into the 
> blood stream and thus to the liver, where it is processed. If true, that 
> means it would not affect iron absorption, or at least that portion of the 
> product which is truly liposomal would not. Because making it at home does 
> not produce a 100% liposomal product, I am being cautious and taking my C mix 
> between meals.
> 
> Iron absorption from meals can be at least partially blocked by drinking 
> coffee or black tea with each meal. Also there are blocking/chelating 
> supplements such as IP-6 and alpha lipoic acid that are said to help 
> block/remove iron. Taking calcium iwth meals also blocks some iron absorption.
> 
> Conversely taking Betaine HCL with meals increases iron absorption from that 
> meal.
> 
> 
> sol
> 


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Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS

[John E. Stevens]

Hi, Gayla:

Thanks, Gayla.  About a 1/2  cup per gallon - or so.  I'm not worried about
using too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too.  I'm kind of
guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - so I use
what I think is appropriate and safe.

John

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts  wrote:

>  John very interesting! How much CS do you use per gallon in your tub? I
> have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat with CS.
> The house sounds lovely!
> Gayla
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* John E. Stevens 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:25 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>CS > OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
>
> Lisa:
>
> My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power.  My total total electric and
> gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters.  Basically because
> I have a passive solar heated home
>
>