CSColloidal silver analyzed at Penn State U.

2011-10-20 Thread Alchemysa
This might be the closest examination ever of the physical structure  
of colloidal silver.  Then again it might not be, because, to be  
honest, I can't say I understand much of it at all.


 http://rustumroy.com/Silver water paper MRI vol 11 is 1.pdf


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CSColloidal silver analyzed at Penn State U.

2011-10-20 Thread Alchemysa
To get to the pdf you might need to copy and paste the whole link  
into your browser...


http://rustumroy.com/Silver water paper MRI vol 11 is 1.pdf


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RE: CSOT - MMS

2011-10-20 Thread Scott Adams
Nice tip I will remember that. I have a bottle sitting around from when I
experimented with it.
 
Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com http://www.lyme-resource.com/ 
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
Adams 


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From: gaiac...@gmail.com [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:39 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSOT - MMS



I would stay away from it too.  I do not know what all your health issues
are, but if 1 drop does that, then it's pretty poisonous for you.
 
My Dad had leukemia and was also diabetic and he could take one drop, though
2 made him FEEL nauseous.  He didn't throw up or have diarrhea, but he
didn't like the feeling of being nauseous, naturally.  He was a big guy
too--240 plus pounds, 6 foot 2 inches.  
 
I know Humble says that it's the die off, but if it affects you that bad
either you are extremely ill, or it's simply not for you.  I would think it
wasn't for you and would not push it.  There are other ways of using a more
dilute MMS, at only 5%, that can be very helpful around the house as a
cleaner and such, though, so that your bottle isn't wasted.
 
And--it makes a great descaler.   We have very hard water here and get
terrible lime build up on everything.  I mix up a big squirt of MMS and a
big squirt of white vinegar, let it sit about 10 minutes, and put that into
my dishwasher.  I run a cycle and boy, does that dishwasher come out
sparkling clean!  Lol  my  friend uses her MMS to descale her coffee pots.
 
Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
I was on one drop a day with the projectile vomiting, along with wonderful
diarrhea.  

It was too much for me and I won't take it again.  I tried 3 times and each
time was so ill.  It just isn't for me.

 



happy.gif

RE: CSOT - MMS

2011-10-20 Thread Scott Adams
It was a very good tip Jill!
 
Yes activated charcoal is sold in the stores and I have used it for years.
Its as important as CS in my medicine chest! 
 
Just note burnt toast won't give the same effects. Buy a bottle of capsules
to have on hand. You never know when you might need it and then won't be the
time to head to the store!
 
Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com http://www.lyme-resource.com/ 
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
Adams 


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From: grace1...@aol.com [mailto:grace1...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:38 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS



I don't know if the correct term is activated charcoal, or activated carbon.
I know that very burned toast (black) and activated charcoal/carbon capsules
will serve the same purpose.  I seem to remember you can get the
charcoal/carbon capsules at a health food store.  
 
Sorry, I'm not a scientist, or a chemist.  I just wanted to share an
amazingly effective and simple way to get rid of food poisoning.  Whatever
the black stuff is called one uses in addition to the CS, I do remember that
the purpose is to absorb the toxins the bacteria put out that make us sick.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Jill
 
In a message dated 10/19/2011 1:13:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bhangcha...@gmail.com writes:

How do you make activated charcoal out of ash, as is stated in the
referenced article?...
Doesn't seem possible.

Dan

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote:
 BTW I have learned that burnt toast is NOT activated charcoal! Its created
 in a totally different way.

 http://www.buzzle.com/articles/how-to-make-activated-charcoal.html

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activated_carbon

 Scott Adams
 www.lyme-resource.com
 You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
 Adams

 
 From: grace1...@aol.com [mailto:grace1...@aol.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:03 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS

 Yes, for food poisoning, I and others just drink a pint of colloidal
silver
 and eat a piece of burned toast (for activated carbon to soak up toxins).
 The acute cases with which I have experience have disappeared in 20
minutes!

 Jill

 In a message dated 10/19/2011 10:10:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 msad...@msadams.com writes:

 Food poisoning can pass by itself in that length of time.

 MMS is indiscriminate. It will damage organs as readily as a pathogen.  It
 like being in a room of kids and thugs and closing your eyes and shooting.
 No idea at all what you will hit.

 Why take the risk? CS is far safer.

 Scott Adams
 www.lyme-resource.com
 You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
 Adams


 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:53 PM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS

 David and All,

MMS can be a life saver... it is certainly far safer
 than any antibiotic and much more effective for a wider range
 of pathogens.  Sure accidents can happen... and if someone is
 getting sick on one or two drops of MMS then this is a HERX
 reaction... something is wrong with the patient, not the
 medicine.  I have used this for over three years for colds
 and a case of food poisoning... in EVERY instance it has
 shortened the duration of the illness to 3 days maximum,
 usually 2, and my food poisoning was gone in less than 18
 hours, truly amazing.

 Bob
 - Original Message -
 From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS


  Three injuries I have heard personally, without even
 looking for them:
 
  -A patient went blind in one eye after getting MMS in his eye
  -2 patients had collapsed veins after an IV MMS treatment using
  unactivated MMS (sodium chlorite)
 
  ~David
 
 
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RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

2011-10-20 Thread Scott Adams
That's the one!


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From: Smitty [mailto:papad...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:28 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


David: 


 Go to Yahoo groups =
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/
There will be a lot of info on how to make a zapper.
Smitty


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:50 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
wrote:


Anyone know of a good alternative to Ensure...which they feed to every dying
person in hospitals it seems...High sugar content + candida equals recipe
for death.  

Also, anyone know of a PREMADE zapper type of device that is easy to use to
attempt to treat his infected teeth and root canals.  I am not going to be
able to coordinate with anyone there to get them to make a device, so it
needs to come premade.

Thanks!
David





RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

2011-10-20 Thread Scott Adams
Sorry to hear that!


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From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


Thanks all.  The patient just passed away.




RE: CSOT - MMS/hydrogen peroxide

2011-10-20 Thread Scott Adams
Note if you do use Hydrogen Peroxide be sure its food grade. Due it breaking
down the store bought regular versions have toxic chemicals added to
stabilize it!


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From: grace1...@aol.com [mailto:grace1...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:49 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS/hydrogen peroxide



I wonder if we could include hydrogen peroxide in this line of discussion.
I bought a book about it, and the H2O2.  I shared these with three people,
all of whom had trouble with vomiting and discontinued it.  That made me
feel really bad for them.  Because of the concern about vomiting/nausea, I
never tried either of these myself.  Does anyone have any comments about
hydrogen peroxide--on a similar vein to what has been discussed with MMS?  I
doubt that it is poisonous, because I understand that the body makes it for
defense against pathogens.  What do others think?
 
Thanks,
 
Jill
 
In a message dated 10/19/2011 1:40:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
gaiac...@gmail.com writes:



I would stay away from it too.  I do not know what all your health issues
are, but if 1 drop does that, then it's pretty poisonous for you.
 
My Dad had leukemia and was also diabetic and he could take one drop, though
2 made him FEEL nauseous.  He didn't throw up or have diarrhea, but he
didn't like the feeling of being nauseous, naturally.  He was a big guy
too--240 plus pounds, 6 foot 2 inches.  
 
I know Humble says that it's the die off, but if it affects you that bad
either you are extremely ill, or it's simply not for you.  I would think it
wasn't for you and would not push it.  There are other ways of using a more
dilute MMS, at only 5%, that can be very helpful around the house as a
cleaner and such, though, so that your bottle isn't wasted.
 
And--it makes a great descaler.   We have very hard water here and get
terrible lime build up on everything.  I mix up a big squirt of MMS and a
big squirt of white vinegar, let it sit about 10 minutes, and put that into
my dishwasher.  I run a cycle and boy, does that dishwasher come out
sparkling clean!  Lol  my  friend uses her MMS to descale her coffee pots.
 
Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
I was on one drop a day with the projectile vomiting, along with wonderful
diarrhea.  

 

It was too much for me and I won't take it again.  I tried 3 times and each
time was so ill.  It just isn't for me.

 

 



happy.gif

RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

2011-10-20 Thread Scott Adams
David I do! Its really cheap and easy to make yourself
 
Its two sponges with a copper wire embedded through each. The sponges should
be about palm size or so.

Then connect a 6 volt lantern battery to each sponge. Wet the sponge and
hold them on each facial check for 10 minutes. Switch the sponges around and
do it again. The device is referred to as a Godzilla.

There have been good reports on this micro electricity forum helping to cure
gum diseases.
 
Scott


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From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


Anyone know of a good alternative to Ensure...which they feed to every dying
person in hospitals it seems...High sugar content + candida equals recipe
for death.  

Also, anyone know of a PREMADE zapper type of device that is easy to use to
attempt to treat his infected teeth and root canals.  I am not going to be
able to coordinate with anyone there to get them to make a device, so it
needs to come premade.

Thanks!
David




Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

2011-10-20 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Scott -- are you saying to use two 6-volt batteries?  I use a home-made 
Godzilla 
occasionally, and only use one battery.
MA





From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, October 20, 2011 7:35:54 AM
Subject: RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


David I do! Its really cheap and easy to make yourself
 
Its two sponges with a copper wire embedded through each. The sponges should be 
about palm size or so.
Then connect a 6 volt lantern battery to each sponge. Wet the sponge and hold 
them on each facial check for 10 minutes. Switch the sponges around and do it 
again. The device is referred to as a Godzilla.

There have been good reports on this micro electricity forum helping to cure 
gum 
diseases.
 
Scott



From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

Anyone know of a good alternative to Ensure...which they feed to every dying 
person in hospitals it seems...High sugar content + candida equals recipe for 
death.  


Also, anyone know of a PREMADE zapper type of device that is easy to use to 
attempt to treat his infected teeth and root canals.  I am not going to be 
able 
to coordinate with anyone there to get them to make a device, so it needs to 
come premade.

Thanks!
David


Re: CSColloidal silver analyzed at Penn State U.

2011-10-20 Thread Jim Holmes
  The page you requested is unavailable
 The page you are looking for might have been removed,
had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

That is what the link returned.

   Jim

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote:

 To get to the pdf you might need to copy and paste the whole link into your
 browser...


 http://rustumroy.com/Silver water paper MRI vol 11 is 1.pdf


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Re: CSOT - MMS/hydrogen peroxide

2011-10-20 Thread Grace1way
Yes, we got food grade 35% H2O2, and followed the instruction book to the  
letter, but still had vomiting.  Just wondered if anyone else out there has  
information about why this happens, and what to do about it.  
 
Jill
 
 
In a message dated 10/20/2011 5:36:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
msad...@msadams.com writes:

Note if you do use  Hydrogen Peroxide be sure its food grade. Due it 
breaking down the store  bought regular versions have toxic chemicals added to 
stabilize  it!


 

 From: grace1...@aol.com [mailto:grace1...@aol.com]  
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:49 PM
To:  silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS/hydrogen  peroxide



I wonder if we could include hydrogen peroxide in this line of  discussion. 
 I bought a book about it, and the H2O2.  I  shared these with three 
people, all of whom had trouble with vomiting and  discontinued it.  That made 
me 
feel really bad for them.  Because  of the concern about vomiting/nausea, I 
never tried either of these  myself.  Does anyone have any comments about 
hydrogen peroxide--on a  similar vein to what has been discussed with MMS?  I 
doubt that it is  poisonous, because I understand that the body makes it for 
defense against  pathogens.  What do others think?
 
Thanks,
 
Jill
 
 
In a message dated 10/19/2011 1:40:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
gaiac...@gmail.com writes:

 
 
I would stay away from it too.  I do not know what  all your health issues 
are, but if 1 drop does that, then it's  pretty poisonous for you.
 
My Dad had leukemia and was also diabetic and he could  take one drop, 
though 2 made him FEEL nauseous.  He  didn't throw up or have diarrhea, but he 
didn't like the  feeling of being nauseous, naturally.  He was a big guy  
too--240 plus pounds, 6 foot 2 inches.  
 
I know Humble says that it's the die off, but if  it affects you that bad 
either you are extremely ill,  or it's simply not for you.  I would think it 
wasn't for  you and would not push it.  There are other ways of using a  
more dilute MMS, at only 5%, that can be very helpful around the  house as a 
cleaner and such, though, so that your bottle isn't  wasted.
 
And--it makes a great descaler.   We have very hard  water here and get 
terrible lime build up on everything.   I mix up a big squirt of MMS and a big 
squirt of white  vinegar, let it sit about 10 minutes, and put that into my  
dishwasher.  I run a cycle and boy, does that dishwasher come  out 
sparkling clean!  Lol  my  friend uses her MMS to  descale her coffee pots.
 
Samala,
Renee 
 
 


 


 
---Original Message---
 
 
I  was on one drop a day with the projectile vomiting, along with  
wonderful diarrhea.  

 
 

 
It  was too much for me and I won't take it again.  I tried 3 times  and 
each time was so ill.  It just isn't for  me.
 









inline: happy.gif

Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

2011-10-20 Thread Pj Converse
Hi David,

A premade suitable zapper device is the Ultimate Zapper. I have treated dental 
issues using 2 wetted cellulose sponge pieces which I first slit with a sharp 
knife when dry to make a pocket in each one able to receive a flattened 
stainless steel tablespoon (done with a hammer on a concrete floor) to which I 
connected to the positive and negative zapper leads with the alligator clips 
provided. I wrapped the spoon handles with electrical tape and placed a piece 
of electrical shrink wrap on the handle ends making a little tunnel to clip 
into, leaving only enough exposed metal to clip onto. That way I didn't get the 
zapping into my hands but allowed it to flow directly to where it was 
needed.The rounded portions of the spoons were left exposed and inserted into 
the pockets of the wetted sponges. 


I have also used one of these spoons on the front of my neck and one on the 
back, sending the square wave signal right through the neck to relieve sore 
throats by zapping the bugs in that area. Similarly, one could spot-treat just 
about any location needing special attention.

I chose the Ultimate Zapper because of its perfect square wave and resulting 
harmonics. I had it checked on an oscilloscope and the square wave was indeed 
perfect with a very sharp leading edge containing a small extra vertical spike. 
It's that leading edge that must be perfect to do the killing. Make sure that 
whatever you buy has an undistorted square wave with a killer leading edge. 
Bargain-priced zappers may not be worth saving a little money on, IMHO.

Alternately, you could use the Godzilla, as Scott mentioned, done in a similar 
way.


I hope this helps,
Peter




From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:19:00 AM
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


Scott -- are you saying to use two 6-volt batteries?  I use a home-made 
Godzilla occasionally, and only use one battery.
MA





 From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, October 20, 2011 7:35:54 AM
Subject: RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


David I do! Its really cheap and easy to make yourself
 
Its two sponges with a copper wire embedded through each. The sponges should be 
about palm size or so.
Then connect a 6 volt lantern battery to each sponge. Wet the sponge and hold 
them on each facial check for 10 minutes. Switch the sponges around and do it 
again. The device is referred to as a Godzilla.

There have been good reports on this micro electricity forum helping to cure 
gum diseases.
 
Scott



 From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

Anyone know of a good alternative to Ensure...which they feed to every dying 
person in hospitals it seems...High sugar content + candida equals recipe for 
death.  

Also, anyone know of a PREMADE zapper type of device that is easy to use to 
attempt to treat his infected teeth and root canals.  I am not going to be 
able to coordinate with anyone there to get them to make a device, so it needs 
to come premade.

Thanks!
David


Re: CSOT - MMS/hydrogen peroxide

2011-10-20 Thread Pj Converse
they may have increased their dosages too quickly or taken it too close to meals or boththis is an easy-does-it protocol and needs to be taken away from foodPeterFrom: "grace1...@aol.com" grace1...@aol.comTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:47:50 AMSubject: Re: CSOT
 - MMS/hydrogen peroxide
 

Yes, we got food grade 35% H2O2, and followed the instruction book to the 
letter, but still had vomiting. Just wondered if anyone else out there has 
information about why this happens, and what to do about it. 

Jill


In a message dated 10/20/2011 5:36:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
msad...@msadams.com writes:

  Note if you do use 
  Hydrogen Peroxide be sure its food grade. Due it breaking down the store 
  bought regular versions have toxic chemicals added to stabilize 
  it!
  


From: grace1...@aol.com [mailto:grace1...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:49 PMTo: 
silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CSOT - MMS/hydrogen 
peroxide

I wonder if we could include hydrogen peroxide in this line of 
discussion. I bought abook about it, and the H2O2. I 
shared these with three people, all of whom had trouble with vomiting and 
discontinued it. That made me feel really bad for them. Because 
of the concern about vomiting/nausea, I never tried either of these 
myself. Does anyone have any comments about hydrogen peroxide--on a 
similar vein to what has been discussed with MMS? I doubt that it is 
poisonous, because I understand that the body makes it for defense against 
pathogens. What do others think?

Thanks,

Jill


In a message dated 10/19/2011 1:40:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
gaiac...@gmail.com writes:

  


  


I would stay away from it too. I do not knowwhat 
all your health issues are, but if 1 drop does that, then it's 
pretty poisonous for you.

My Dad had leukemia and was also diabetic andhe could 
take one drop, though 2 made him FEEL nauseous. He 
didn'tthrow up or have diarrhea, but he didn't like the 
feeling of being nauseous, naturally. He was a big guy 
too--240 plus pounds, 6 foot 2 inches. 

I know Humble says that it's the die off, but if 
itaffects you that bad either you are extremely ill, 
orit's simply not for you. I would think it wasn't for 
you and would not push it. There are other ways of using a 
more dilute MMS, at only 5%, that can be very helpful around the 
house as a cleaner and such, though, so that your bottle isn't 
wasted.

And--it makes a great descaler. We have very hard 
water here and get terrible lime build up on everything. 
Imix up a big squirt of MMS and a big squirt ofwhite 
vinegar, let it sit about 10 minutes, and put that into my 
dishwasher. I run a cycle and boy, does that dishwasher come 
out sparkling clean! Lol my friend uses her MMS to 
descale her coffee pots.

Samala,
Renee






---Original Message---


I 
was on one drop a day with the projectile vomiting, along with 
wonderful diarrhea. 


 

It 
was too much for me and I won't take it again. I tried 3 times 
and each time was so ill. It just isn't for 
me. 

 


  

  
  



RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

2011-10-20 Thread Scott Adams
Sorry for the confusion. Yes its just one battery only.
 
Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com http://www.lyme-resource.com/ 
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
Adams 


  _  

From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


Scott -- are you saying to use two 6-volt batteries?  I use a home-made
Godzilla occasionally, and only use one battery.
MA



  _  

From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, October 20, 2011 7:35:54 AM
Subject: RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


David I do! Its really cheap and easy to make yourself
 
Its two sponges with a copper wire embedded through each. The sponges should
be about palm size or so.


Then connect a 6 volt lantern battery to each sponge. Wet the sponge and
hold them on each facial check for 10 minutes. Switch the sponges around and
do it again. The device is referred to as a Godzilla.

There have been good reports on this micro electricity forum helping to cure
gum diseases.
 
Scott


  _  

From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


Anyone know of a good alternative to Ensure...which they feed to every dying
person in hospitals it seems...High sugar content + candida equals recipe
for death.  

Also, anyone know of a PREMADE zapper type of device that is easy to use to
attempt to treat his infected teeth and root canals.  I am not going to be
able to coordinate with anyone there to get them to make a device, so it
needs to come premade.

Thanks!
David




Re: CSOT - MMS

2011-10-20 Thread Bob Banever

Scott,

 I felt an immediate sense of relief after the first dose of MMS... it 
got progressively better after that so I know the MMS was killing the bad 
bacteria.  I've never used more than 6 drops of chlorine dioxide at a time 
diluted in 4 oz of water, and most of the time it's only two drops.  I've 
also never used it for more than two days at a time and never suffered any 
side effects short or long term.  I also use CS but haven't found it to be 
as effective for viral conditions.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: RE: CSOT - MMS



Food poisoning can pass by itself in that length of time.

MMS is indiscriminate. It will damage organs as readily as a pathogen.  It
like being in a room of kids and thugs and closing your eyes and shooting.
No idea at all what you will hit.

Why take the risk? CS is far safer.

Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott
Adams



-Original Message-
From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:53 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS

David and All,

   MMS can be a life saver... it is certainly far safer
than any antibiotic and much more effective for a wider range
of pathogens.  Sure accidents can happen... and if someone is
getting sick on one or two drops of MMS then this is a HERX
reaction... something is wrong with the patient, not the
medicine.  I have used this for over three years for colds
and a case of food poisoning... in EVERY instance it has
shortened the duration of the illness to 3 days maximum,
usually 2, and my food poisoning was gone in less than 18
hours, truly amazing.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS


 Three injuries I have heard personally, without even
looking for them:

 -A patient went blind in one eye after getting MMS in his eye
 -2 patients had collapsed veins after an IV MMS treatment using
 unactivated MMS (sodium chlorite)

 ~David


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CSGum and Teeth

2011-10-20 Thread Melly Bag





David,
 
Jan Volcker made me a good 27v godzilla with meter.  You will have to turn dial 
off then flick the switch to change polarity every few minutes depending on 
time you want machine to work on you.  I like it as it does not cause flashes 
in my eyes.  I also removed two batteries so i work on 9 volts only.  The 
machines that change polarity automatically gives flashes to the  eyes.
 
Here is his email address:  lig...@theledman.net
 
Take care.
 
Melly

Re: CSOT - MMS

2011-10-20 Thread gaiac...@gmail.com
Yep, there are many people that successfully use MMS.  It's great for them
as it really can do a good job of killing internal pathogens.  It's just
that it's not for everyone, contrary to what Humble says.  We don't use it
often here, but I would never be without it.

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
  I felt an immediate sense of relief after the first dose of MMS... 

Re: CSColloidal silver analyzed at Penn State U.

2011-10-20 Thread Marshall

I get no such website when I click on that link.

Marshall

On 10/20/2011 8:16 AM, Alchemysa wrote:
This might be the closest examination ever of the physical structure 
of colloidal silver.  Then again it might not be, because, to be 
honest, I can't say I understand much of it at all.


 http://rustumroy.com/Silver water paper MRI vol 11 is 1.pdf


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Re: CSColloidal silver analyzed at Penn State U.

2011-10-20 Thread Asif Nathekar
Hi ,

Try the link I sent previously



On 20 Oct 2011, at 17:30, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:

 I get no such website when I click on that link.
 
 Marshall
 
 On 10/20/2011 8:16 AM, Alchemysa wrote:
 This might be the closest examination ever of the physical structure of 
 colloidal silver.  Then again it might not be, because, to be honest, I 
 can't say I understand much of it at all.
 
 http://rustumroy.com/Silver water paper MRI vol 11 is 1.pdf
 
 
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CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread jess
Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought some 
Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick plastic. 
When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the house, it 
evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet orange.  
Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the 
jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there is no sign of staining 
anywhere.
I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped into the 
atmosphere. Thanks, Jess

Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread jaxi
They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger amounts and
decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper for daily use.  It
is corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.

Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

   Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought
 some Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick
 plastic. When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the house,
 it evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet orange.
 Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the
 jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there is no sign of staining
 anywhere.

  I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped
 into the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess



RE: CSOT - MMS

2011-10-20 Thread Scott Adams
Thanks for the feedback! 

 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net] 
 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:01 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS
 
 Scott,
 
   I felt an immediate sense of relief after the first 
 dose of MMS... it got progressively better after that so I 
 know the MMS was killing the bad bacteria.  I've never used 
 more than 6 drops of chlorine dioxide at a time diluted in 4 
 oz of water, and most of the time it's only two drops.  I've 
 also never used it for more than two days at a time and never 
 suffered any side effects short or long term.  I also use CS 
 but haven't found it to be as effective for viral conditions.
 
 Bob
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:09 AM
 Subject: RE: CSOT - MMS
 
 
  Food poisoning can pass by itself in that length of time.
 
  MMS is indiscriminate. It will damage organs as readily as 
 a pathogen.  It
  like being in a room of kids and thugs and closing your 
 eyes and shooting.
  No idea at all what you will hit.
 
  Why take the risk? CS is far safer.
 
  Scott Adams
  www.lyme-resource.com
  You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them 
 think! - Scott
  Adams
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Bob Banever [mailto:bbane...@earthlink.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:53 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS
 
  David and All,
 
 MMS can be a life saver... it is certainly far safer
  than any antibiotic and much more effective for a wider range
  of pathogens.  Sure accidents can happen... and if someone is
  getting sick on one or two drops of MMS then this is a HERX
  reaction... something is wrong with the patient, not the
  medicine.  I have used this for over three years for colds
  and a case of food poisoning... in EVERY instance it has
  shortened the duration of the illness to 3 days maximum,
  usually 2, and my food poisoning was gone in less than 18
  hours, truly amazing.
 
  Bob
  - Original Message -
  From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:41 PM
  Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS
 
 
   Three injuries I have heard personally, without even
  looking for them:
  
   -A patient went blind in one eye after getting MMS in his eye
   -2 patients had collapsed veins after an IV MMS treatment using
   unactivated MMS (sodium chlorite)
  
   ~David
  
  
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RE: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread Deborah Gerard
Isn't there like a 1 year self life for Lugol's?
-Original Message-
Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:34:33 pm
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: jess jessi...@optonline.net
Subject: CSiodine question

Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought some 
Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick plastic. 
When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the house, it 
evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet orange.  
Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the 
jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there is no sign of staining 
anywhere.
I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped into the 
atmosphere. Thanks, Jess


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Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread Tel Tofflemire
Logul's Iodine, will escape if there is a way... plastic container,  
loose lid, tips over , the dropper lid is very good for containment,  
and also the dripper lid. I have a new supply of 5% Lugol's in stock  
now by the way. in 1 oz bottles with dropper.

Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com
Albuquerque, New Mexico

On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:36 AM, jaxi wrote:

They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger  
amounts and decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper  
for daily use.  It is corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.


Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:
Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought  
some Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a  
thick plastic. When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part  
of the house, it evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside  
of the cabinet orange.  Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside  
a glass jar with the top on the jar. The bathroom still has the  
smell although there is no sign of staining anywhere.


I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never  
escaped into the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess







FW: CSOT - MMS

2011-10-20 Thread PTFerrance
I had no reply so I am sending it along again.

Thanks.

PT

 

From: PTFerrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:47 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSOT - MMS

 

What is the Iodine Protocol?

Thanks.

PT

 

From: tobdn...@aol.com [mailto:tobdn...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:49 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS

 

I was on one drop a day with the projectile vomiting, along with wonderful
diarrhea.  

 

It was too much for me and I won't take it again.  I tried 3 times and each
time was so ill.  It just isn't for me.

 

I have found that Low Dose Naltrexone has been a miracle for me, as has the
Iodine Protocol.  I will take both forever.  There is detox on the Iodine
Protocol, but it can be managed much better than that MMS, for me at least.


Glowing, 

Marygrace~



Original Message


Subj:



Date:

10/18/2011 5:14:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time


From:

ptf2...@bellsouth.net


To:

silver-list@eskimo.com


Sent on:

 

So how does one know, Renee?  Just stick to the 3 drop every 2 hour method?

Thanks. 

PT

 

From: gaiac...@gmail.com [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 5:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSOT - MMS

 


A person absolutely has to know how to use MMS, and for some people it is
never any good.  Humbel's continued insistence that it's perfectly safe for
everyone is WRONG.

 

Samala,

Renee 

 

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

 

Additionally, I still have big circles under my eyes, that were not there
before.  I don't recommend it for anyone.  That is just me though.




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Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread jess
is yours in glass or plastic? Jess

From: Tel Tofflemire 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:06 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSiodine question

Logul's Iodine, will escape if there is a way... plastic container, loose lid, 
tips over , the dropper lid is very good for containment, and also the dripper 
lid. I have a new supply of 5% Lugol's in stock now by the way. in 1 oz bottles 
with dropper. 
Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com
Albuquerque, New Mexico

On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:36 AM, jaxi wrote:


  They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger amounts and 
decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper for daily use.  It is 
corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.

  Jaxi


  On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought some 
Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick plastic. 
When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the house, it 
evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet orange.  
Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the 
jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there is no sign of staining 
anywhere.
I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped into 
the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess




Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread jess
there may be a one year shelf life but I don't take internally so I'm not 
worried about that. Am just wondering how it is escaping from the bottle 
inside another jar. Jess


-Original Message- 
From: Deborah Gerard

Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSiodine question

Isn't there like a 1 year self life for Lugol's?
-Original Message-
Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:34:33 pm
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
From: jess jessi...@optonline.net
Subject: CSiodine question

Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought some 
Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick plastic. 
When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the house, it 
evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet orange. 
Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the 
jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there is no sign of staining 
anywhere.
I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped into 
the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess



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Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread jess
thanks jaxi that explains why it has been escaping from the plastic. 

is it too late to restore in glass, does it have plastic compounds in it now 
from possibly breaking down the plastic?  Jess

From: jaxi 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSiodine question

They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger amounts and 
decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper for daily use.  It is 
corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.

Jaxi


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

  Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought some 
Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick plastic. 
When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the house, it 
evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet orange.  
Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the 
jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there is no sign of staining 
anywhere.
  I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped into 
the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess


Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread jaxi
Iodine has an almost indefinite shelf life.  It will lose some potency over
time, one of the reasons they suggest having the larger amount securely
capped and the amount you are using daily (if you use it daily) decanted
into a smaller bottle.

For my bottle with the dropper - you know the type with the rubber air bulb
on top to draw up into the dropper - I just keep several on hand and replace
periodically.

The chemists will have to give feedback but I would have to suspect that
there are likely some plastic compounds in there now.  How much and whether
this would make it unsafe for your use - whatever that might be - I cannot
say.

Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

   thanks jaxi that explains why it has been escaping from the plastic.

 is it too late to restore in glass, does it have plastic compounds in it
 now from possibly breaking down the plastic?  Jess

  *From:* jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36 AM
  *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: CSiodine question

   They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger amounts
 and decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper for daily use.
 It is corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.

 Jaxi

 On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

   Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought
 some Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick
 plastic. When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the house,
 it evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet orange.
 Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the
 jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there is no sign of staining
 anywhere.

  I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped
 into the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess





CSMycoplasmas

2011-10-20 Thread Ole Alstrup
Does CS kill mycoplasmas? Any other natural stuff kill it? Please cite serious 
references or personal experiences.

Thanks.


Re: CSMycoplasmas

2011-10-20 Thread David AuBuchon
Quite a few quotes from professionals on CS and mycoplasma in this section:
http://scientificliving.net/2011/02/the-ultimate-guide-to-colloidal-silver-colloidal-silver-generators-and-jello-2/#what-are-some-quotations-about-eis

David

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Ole Alstrup alst...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Does CS kill mycoplasmas? Any other natural stuff kill it? Please cite
 serious references or personal experiences.

 Thanks.



Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread Tel Tofflemire
I have been told by my supplier's that there is way more Iodine in the  
rubber and plastic than the other way , Just for your information,  
good Iodine creeps into everything, skin, furniture, countertops,  
tile, you name it, but hardly anything goes into Iodine.

Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com


On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:21 PM, jaxi wrote:

Iodine has an almost indefinite shelf life.  It will lose some  
potency over time, one of the reasons they suggest having the larger  
amount securely capped and the amount you are using daily (if you  
use it daily) decanted into a smaller bottle.


For my bottle with the dropper - you know the type with the rubber  
air bulb on top to draw up into the dropper - I just keep several on  
hand and replace periodically.


The chemists will have to give feedback but I would have to suspect  
that there are likely some plastic compounds in there now.  How much  
and whether this would make it unsafe for your use - whatever that  
might be - I cannot say.


Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:
thanks jaxi that explains why it has been escaping from the plastic.

is it too late to restore in glass, does it have plastic compounds  
in it now from possibly breaking down the plastic?  Jess


From: jaxi
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSiodine question

They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger  
amounts and decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper  
for daily use.  It is corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.


Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:
Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought  
some Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a  
thick plastic. When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part  
of the house, it evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside  
of the cabinet orange.  Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside  
a glass jar with the top on the jar. The bathroom still has the  
smell although there is no sign of staining anywhere.


I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never  
escaped into the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess







Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread TOBDNCNG
Also, for whomever had the spill.  Just use Vitamin C to get it  out/off of 
anything.  Works really well.  I got it out of carpet by  crushing a 
vitamin C pill and mixing it with water.  

Glowing,  

Marygrace~



Original  Message Subj:   Date: 10/20/2011 1:46:00 P.M. 
Pacific Daylight Time  From: _teltoff@me.com_ (mailto:telt...@me.com)   To: 
_silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com)   Sent on:
I have been told by my supplier's that there is  way more Iodine in the 
rubber and plastic than the other way , Just for your  information, good Iodine 
creeps into everything, skin, furniture, countertops,  tile, you name it, 
but hardly anything goes into Iodine. 
 
Tel Tofflemire 
_www.quailwoodherbal.com_ (http://www.quailwoodherbal.com/) 




On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:21 PM, jaxi wrote:


Iodine has an almost indefinite shelf life.  It will lose some  potency 
over time, one of the reasons they suggest having the larger amount  securely 
capped and the amount you are using daily (if you use it daily)  decanted 
into a smaller bottle.  
 
For my bottle with the dropper - you know the type with the rubber air  
bulb on top to draw up into the dropper - I just keep several on hand and  
replace periodically.
 
The chemists will have to give feedback but I would have to suspect that  
there are likely some plastic compounds in there now.  How much and  whether 
this would make it unsafe for your use - whatever that might be - I  cannot 
say.  
 
Jaxi


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, jess _jessie70@optonline.net_ 
(mailto:jessi...@optonline.net)   wrote:


 
 
thanks jaxi that explains why it has been escaping from the plastic.  

is it too late to restore in glass, does it have plastic compounds in  it 
now from possibly breaking down the plastic?  Jess
 
 

 
From: _jaxi_ (mailto:jaxi.sch...@gmail.com)  
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36 AM
 
To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com)  
Subject: Re: CSiodine question



 

 

 
 
They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger  amounts 
and decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper for  daily use.  
It is corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.
 
Jaxi


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess _jessie70@optonline.net_ 
(mailto:jessi...@optonline.net)  wrote:


 
 
 
Does  anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought some  
Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick  
plastic. When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the  house, 
it 
evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet  orange.  
Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar  with the top on the 
jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there  is no sign of staining 
anywhere.

 


 
I  have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped into 
 the atmosphere. Thanks,  Jess






 













=

Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread Anthony Cullingworth


 Original Message - 
Also, for whomever had the spill.  Just use Vitamin C to get it out/off of 
anything.  Works really well.  I got it out of carpet by crushing a vitamin C 
pill and mixing it with water.  

Glowing, 

Marygrace~



This is why when you are taking Lugol's iodine you should not take vitamin C 
close to the same time.  It turns the elemental iodine into potassium iodide 
which is clear.  It is not harmful, but it is not what you are trying to do 
when taking Lugol's which is a mixture of both elemental iodine and potassium 
iodide.

Anthony


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Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread Anthony Cullingworth
 It is different for everyone and depends a lot on what you are trying to 
accomplish and how much detox you need to do.  People are using it to fix 
thyroid problems, to maintain good thyroid health.  It is also being used for 
treatment of Cancers.  It is used in every gland and organ in your body and it 
is proposed by some that most westerns are deficient in it.  


I personally take 3x drops of Lugol's ( 6.25ml iodine per drop in both KI 
[potassium iodide] and elemental iodine) along with
2 x drops of SSKI ( Saturated solution potassium iodide = approx. 50mg iodine 
/drop) 
I also make sure to take the necessary supplements as well.

2-3g Vit C/ day
200mg Selenium
400-600mg Magnesium
1/4-1/2 of Sea Salt

Here are some useful links and also a great email group dedicated to the use of 
iodine :
http://www.lugol-iodinesupplements.com/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/?v=1t=directorych=webpub=groupssec=dirslk=8

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Re: CSiodine question concerning black walnut hulls

2011-10-20 Thread Guyot Léna

Hi all,
I just got a bunch of lovely black walnuts: bright green and un- 
smashed, and have put them in a big glass container covered with  
vodka (couldn't find grain alcohol). When I googled, the Hulda Clark  
instructions said to steep for three days. Does anyone know if this  
is the minimum or some sort of absolute? I tend to try to get more  
out of things so am tempted to let them sit longer.
Also, I know this makes great iodine and I believe iodide as well,  
but can't find how it compares to Lugol's, which is what I'm  
accustomed to using (5%)

Can anyone here fill in the gaps?

Thanks and be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Anthony Cullingworth wrote:

 It is different for everyone and depends a lot on what you are  
trying to accomplish and how much detox you need to do.  People are  
using it to fix thyroid problems, to maintain good thyroid health.   
It is also being used for treatment of Cancers.  It is used in every  
gland and organ in your body and it is proposed by some that most  
westerns are deficient in it.



I personally take 3x drops of Lugol's ( 6.25ml iodine per drop in  
both KI [potassium iodide] and elemental iodine) along with
2 x drops of SSKI ( Saturated solution potassium iodide = approx.  
50mg iodine /drop)

I also make sure to take the necessary supplements as well.

2-3g Vit C/ day
200mg Selenium
400-600mg Magnesium
1/4-1/2 of Sea Salt

Here are some useful links and also a great email group dedicated to  
the use of iodine :

http://www.lugol-iodinesupplements.com/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/? 
v=1t=directorych=webpub=groupssec=dirslk=8


Anthony



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Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread jess
Tel is yours in glass?  I had to throw it out today. Never used it once, but 
the bathroom and adjacent office smelled of it.  Jess

From: Tel Tofflemire 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:45 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSiodine question

I have been told by my supplier's that there is way more Iodine in the rubber 
and plastic than the other way , Just for your information, good Iodine creeps 
into everything, skin, furniture, countertops, tile, you name it, but hardly 
anything goes into Iodine. 
Tel Tofflemire 
www.quailwoodherbal.com


On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:21 PM, jaxi wrote:


  Iodine has an almost indefinite shelf life.  It will lose some potency over 
time, one of the reasons they suggest having the larger amount securely capped 
and the amount you are using daily (if you use it daily) decanted into a 
smaller bottle.  

  For my bottle with the dropper - you know the type with the rubber air bulb 
on top to draw up into the dropper - I just keep several on hand and replace 
periodically.

  The chemists will have to give feedback but I would have to suspect that 
there are likely some plastic compounds in there now.  How much and whether 
this would make it unsafe for your use - whatever that might be - I cannot say. 
 

  Jaxi


  On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

thanks jaxi that explains why it has been escaping from the plastic. 

is it too late to restore in glass, does it have plastic compounds in it 
now from possibly breaking down the plastic?  Jess

From: jaxi 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CSiodine question

They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger amounts 
and decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper for daily use.  It 
is corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.

Jaxi


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:

  Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I bought some 
Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper is a thick plastic. 
When left in the medicine cabinet in a very cool part of the house, it 
evaporated from the bottle and stained the inside of the cabinet orange.  
Afterwards I stored the Lugols bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the 
jar. The bathroom still has the smell although there is no sign of staining 
anywhere.
  I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never escaped 
into the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess





Re: CSiodine question concerning black walnut hulls

2011-10-20 Thread Tel Tofflemire
I worked for Dr H.R. Clark for several years before she died, and the  
walnut tenture is made with any strong Alcohol , the more you let it  
brew,  the better  stronger it will get. You can always dilute it  
with distilled water, if it gets too strong -- a little at a time to  
your liking. Make sure you cover the  Black Walnuts with your Alcohol  
brew  also a cloth cover will keep bugs out.

Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com
On Oct 20, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:


Hi all,
I just got a bunch of lovely black walnuts: bright green and un- 
smashed, and have put them in a big glass container covered with  
vodka (couldn't find grain alcohol). When I googled, the Hulda Clark  
instructions said to steep for three days. Does anyone know if this  
is the minimum or some sort of absolute? I tend to try to get more  
out of things so am tempted to let them sit longer.
Also, I know this makes great iodine and I believe iodide as well,  
but can't find how it compares to Lugol's, which is what I'm  
accustomed to using (5%)

Can anyone here fill in the gaps?

Thanks and be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Anthony Cullingworth wrote:

 It is different for everyone and depends a lot on what you are  
trying to accomplish and how much detox you need to do.  People are  
using it to fix thyroid problems, to maintain good thyroid health.   
It is also being used for treatment of Cancers.  It is used in every  
gland and organ in your body and it is proposed by some that most  
westerns are deficient in it.



I personally take 3x drops of Lugol's ( 6.25ml iodine per drop in  
both KI [potassium iodide] and elemental iodine) along with
2 x drops of SSKI ( Saturated solution potassium iodide = approx.  
50mg iodine /drop)

I also make sure to take the necessary supplements as well.

2-3g Vit C/ day
200mg Selenium
400-600mg Magnesium
1/4-1/2 of Sea Salt

Here are some useful links and also a great email group dedicated to  
the use of iodine :

http://www.lugol-iodinesupplements.com/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/?v=1t=directorych=webpub=groupssec=dirslk=8

Anthony



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Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread Tel Tofflemire
Oh yes all glass for sure, and it will still try to get out if the top  
is not tight...

Tel Tofflemire


On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:18 PM, jess wrote:

Tel is yours in glass?  I had to throw it out today. Never used it  
once, but the bathroom and adjacent office smelled of it.  Jess


From: Tel Tofflemire
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:45 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSiodine question


I have been told by my supplier's that there is way more Iodine in  
the rubber and plastic than the other way , Just for your  
information, good Iodine creeps into everything, skin, furniture,  
countertops, tile, you name it, but hardly anything goes into Iodine.

Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com


On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:21 PM, jaxi wrote:

Iodine has an almost indefinite shelf life.  It will lose some  
potency over time, one of the reasons they suggest having the  
larger amount securely capped and the amount you are using daily  
(if you use it daily) decanted into a smaller bottle.


For my bottle with the dropper - you know the type with the rubber  
air bulb on top to draw up into the dropper - I just keep several  
on hand and replace periodically.


The chemists will have to give feedback but I would have to suspect  
that there are likely some plastic compounds in there now.  How  
much and whether this would make it unsafe for your use - whatever  
that might be - I cannot say.


Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:
thanks jaxi that explains why it has been escaping from the plastic.

is it too late to restore in glass, does it have plastic compounds  
in it now from possibly breaking down the plastic?  Jess


From: jaxi
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSiodine question

They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger  
amounts and decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper  
for daily use.  It is corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.


Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net  
wrote:
Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I  
bought some Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper  
is a thick plastic. When left in the medicine cabinet in a very  
cool part of the house, it evaporated from the bottle and stained  
the inside of the cabinet orange.  Afterwards I stored the Lugols  
bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the jar. The bathroom  
still has the smell although there is no sign of staining anywhere.


I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never  
escaped into the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess










Re: CSiodine question concerning black walnut hulls

2011-10-20 Thread Guyot Léna

Hi Tel,
Thanks for the info! That must have been a wonderful experience,  
working with Dr. Clark!
I've weighted the hulls under a glass dish, but a couple floated just  
above the vodka at the edges of the dish and have oxidised black  
where the air hit. Have readjusted them. The tincture is darkening,  
deepening. I covered the big container with saran wrap and then a  
glass lid. Plan to decant it into the original vodka bottles and stop  
with some rubber Vacu-vin stoppers to keep air to a minimum.
I didn't bother with adding Vitamin C, as I don't care if the  
tincture is dark. Just want it potent. I've been very stingy with my  
Lugol's using in in topical roll-ons but not ingesting it. Looking  
forward to using the tincture.


Be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

I worked for Dr H.R. Clark for several years before she died, and the  
walnut tenture is made with any strong Alcohol , the more you let it  
brew,  the better  stronger it will get. You can always dilute it  
with distilled water, if it gets too strong -- a little at a time to  
your liking. Make sure you cover the  Black Walnuts with your  
Alcohol brew  also a cloth cover will keep bugs out.

Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com
On Oct 20, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:


Hi all,
I just got a bunch of lovely black walnuts: bright green and un- 
smashed, and have put them in a big glass container covered with  
vodka (couldn't find grain alcohol). When I googled, the Hulda  
Clark instructions said to steep for three days. Does anyone know  
if this is the minimum or some sort of absolute? I tend to try to  
get more out of things so am tempted to let them sit longer.
Also, I know this makes great iodine and I believe iodide as well,  
but can't find how it compares to Lugol's, which is what I'm  
accustomed to using (5%)

Can anyone here fill in the gaps?

Thanks and be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Anthony Cullingworth wrote:

 It is different for everyone and depends a lot on what you are  
trying to accomplish and how much detox you need to do.  People are  
using it to fix thyroid problems, to maintain good thyroid health.   
It is also being used for treatment of Cancers.  It is used in  
every gland and organ in your body and it is proposed by some that  
most westerns are deficient in it.



I personally take 3x drops of Lugol's ( 6.25ml iodine per drop in  
both KI [potassium iodide] and elemental iodine) along with
2 x drops of SSKI ( Saturated solution potassium iodide = approx.  
50mg iodine /drop)

I also make sure to take the necessary supplements as well.

2-3g Vit C/ day
200mg Selenium
400-600mg Magnesium
1/4-1/2 of Sea Salt

Here are some useful links and also a great email group dedicated  
to the use of iodine :

http://www.lugol-iodinesupplements.com/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/? 
v=1t=directorych=webpub=groupssec=dirslk=8


Anthony



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Re: CSsmart meter shielding

2011-10-20 Thread Mike Winslow-Hansen
don't let them put one in your house
fight this people..

this stuff is bad news.

  - Original Message - 
  From: martsmai...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:20 PM
  Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding


  martsmai...@aol.com wrote: 

  stopsmartmeters. org/...any body know about these building electric smart 
meters

  response: 

  They're bad news. Kathy 

  http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382
  Read the report 

  Scientists Urge Halt of Wireless Rollout and Call for New Safety
  Standards: Warning Issued on Risks to Children and Pregnant Women

  “Current US and ICNIRP standards for radiofrequency and microwave 
  radiation from wireless technologies are entirely inadequate.

  (Olle Johansson, professor, The Experimental Dermatology Unit, 
  Department of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, and The Royal 
  Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden)

  The combined effect of cell phones, cordless phones, cell towers, 
  WI-FI and wireless internet place billions of people around the world at
  risk for
  cancer, neurological disease and reproductive and 
  developmental impairments.

  Reflections can significantly increase localized RF levels. 

  Hondou et al (2006) establishes that power densities 1000 times to 2000 
  times higher than the power density predictions from computer modeling 
  (that does not account properly for reflections) can be found in daily 
  living situations. The RF hot 
  spots can significantly increase RF exposure--even above current public 
safety limits.
  “In the case of the eyes and testes, direct relaxation of power density 
limits is not permitted.”(p. 30)
  This leaves unanswered what instantaneous peak power is permissible
  from smart meters. 

  The level must be below 4000 uW/cm2. This report 
  shows clearly that smart meters can create instantaneous peak power 
  exposures where the face (eyes) and body (testes) are going to be in 
  close proximity to smart meter RF pulses. 

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  

  In a message dated 10/18/2011 3:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
asifnathe...@hotmail.com writes:
From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance 
interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because 
of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If 
someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current 
draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. 
This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities 
company. 
They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide 
detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company.
I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare.





On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:


  Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance.  Thus 
if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will 
receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors.  That 
assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or 
they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off.

  Marshall

  On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: 
Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing??   If the 
energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from 
everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible.  But it is quite possible 
that I don't understand the situation.  :)  If the energy goes out from 
everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around?  Seems to me 
that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection.   
My house has one of these things.  Scary.   pj




Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

2011-10-20 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Whew!!!  :-D
MA





From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, October 20, 2011 9:47:11 AM
Subject: RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


Sorry for the confusion. Yes its just one battery only.

Scott Adams
www.lyme-resource.com
You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! - Scott Adams 



From: MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


Scott -- are you saying to use two 6-volt batteries?  I use a home-made 
Godzilla 
occasionally, and only use one battery.
MA





From: Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, October 20, 2011 7:35:54 AM
Subject: RE: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India


David I do! Its really cheap and easy to make yourself
 
Its two sponges with a copper wire embedded through each. The sponges should 
be 
about palm size or so.
Then connect a 6 volt lantern battery to each sponge. Wet the sponge and hold 
them on each facial check for 10 minutes. Switch the sponges around and do it 
again. The device is referred to as a Godzilla.

There have been good reports on this micro electricity forum helping to cure 
gum 
diseases.
 
Scott



From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSUrgent...where to get silver in India

Anyone know of a good alternative to Ensure...which they feed to every dying 
person in hospitals it seems...High sugar content + candida equals recipe for 
death.  


Also, anyone know of a PREMADE zapper type of device that is easy to use to 
attempt to treat his infected teeth and root canals.  I am not going to be 
able 
to coordinate with anyone there to get them to make a device, so it needs to 
come premade.

Thanks!
David


CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread Melly Bag
I am rather confused.  I called Pedernales our electric utility co. here in 
Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed.  I was told that 
they read our electricity electronically.  They asked for my address and phone 
number then said, no i don't have a smart meter and asked if i wanted one.  I 
said, hell no!   How can they read my electricity consumption electronically if 
i don't have a smart meter, is that possible at all?
 
Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!!
 
Melly

CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread Melly Bag
Lena,
 
Did you buy  your green walnut hull?  If so, where did you buy it?
 
Thanks.
 
Melly

Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread Gene Wolfe
Melly, go out and look at the meter. If it has clock like circles, it is 
not a smart meter. If it has numbers, it is smart.



On 10/20/2011 8:56 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
I am rather confused.  I called Pedernales our electric utility co. 
here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed.  
I was told that they read our electricity electronically.  They asked 
for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart 
meter and asked if i wanted one.  I said, hell no!   How can they read 
my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a smart 
meter, is that possible at all?

Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!!
Melly



Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread Sara Mandal-Joy
That is not definitive.  We have a smart meter on our water.  The old 
meter is still there and is running.  The new meter doesn't even have a 
dial - it is all directly transmitted data, no local readout.  Sara


On 10/20/2011 9:14 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote:
Melly, go out and look at the meter. If it has clock like circles, it 
is not a smart meter. If it has numbers, it is smart.



On 10/20/2011 8:56 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
I am rather confused.  I called Pedernales our electric utility co. 
here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed.  
I was told that they read our electricity electronically.  They asked 
for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart 
meter and asked if i wanted one.  I said, hell no!   How can they 
read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a 
smart meter, is that possible at all?

Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!!
Melly




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Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread Guyot Léna

Hi Melly,
I spotted them in a ditch on one of our country roads! First thought  
they were Granny Smith apples, but then realized they were beneath a  
walnut tree. Went back and gathered the ones that had fallen unbroken  
into the softer grass. They looked like a bunch of tennis balls. Best  
to get the ones that are more than 50% green still. They don't seem  
to rot, but they oxidize black when bruised or cracked and it's the  
green hull that offeres the best properties for making tincture.
Google them so you can see what they're supposed to look like and  
what to do with them, and then drive around looking for walnut trees.  
Or you might call your local cooperative extension; they might know  
where there are local walnut trees and people willing to share. Right  
now is the time to gather them. Good luck!


Be well,
Léna


On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

Lena,

Did you buy  your green walnut hull?  If so, where did you buy it?

Thanks.

Melly



Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread Smitty
You could also look or post on Craiglist.
Look in FOR SALE - FREE.
Smitty

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:

 Hi Melly,
 I spotted them in a ditch on one of our country roads! First thought they
 were Granny Smith apples, but then realized they were beneath a walnut tree.
 Went back and gathered the ones that had fallen unbroken into the softer
 grass. They looked like a bunch of tennis balls. Best to get the ones that
 are more than 50% green still. They don't seem to rot, but they oxidize
 black when bruised or cracked and it's the green hull that offeres the best
 properties for making tincture.
 Google them so you can see what they're supposed to look like and what to
 do with them, and then drive around looking for walnut trees. Or you might
 call your local cooperative extension; they might know where there are local
 walnut trees and people willing to share. Right now is the time to gather
 them. Good luck!

 Be well,
 Léna


 On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

 Lena,

 Did you buy  your green walnut hull?  If so, where did you buy it?

 Thanks.

 Melly




Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread phoenix23002 tds.net
Sorry to hear about the chemtrails, Melly.  I was hopeful they had gone for
good.  I wish I knew what we could do about them.  No wonder we are all so
sick !!Lola

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote:

   I am rather confused.  I called Pedernales our electric utility co. here
 in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed.  I was told
 that they read our electricity electronically.  They asked for my address
 and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart meter and asked if i
 wanted one.  I said, hell no!   How can they read my electricity consumption
 electronically if i don't have a smart meter, is that possible at all?

 Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!!

 Melly



RE: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread PTFerrance
Hi Sara, As far as I know if the old meter is still running it has to have
water going through it.  That's what makes the dials move.  So my question
is what is the new meter recording?
PT

-Original Message-
From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:smjl...@wavewls.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:50 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

That is not definitive.  We have a smart meter on our water.  The old 
meter is still there and is running.  The new meter doesn't even have a 
dial - it is all directly transmitted data, no local readout.  Sara

On 10/20/2011 9:14 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote:
 Melly, go out and look at the meter. If it has clock like circles, it 
 is not a smart meter. If it has numbers, it is smart.


 On 10/20/2011 8:56 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
 I am rather confused.  I called Pedernales our electric utility co. 
 here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed.  
 I was told that they read our electricity electronically.  They asked 
 for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart 
 meter and asked if i wanted one.  I said, hell no!   How can they 
 read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a 
 smart meter, is that possible at all?
 Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!!
 Melly



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Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread phoenix23002 tds.net
Be careful.. Osage Orange 'fruit' looks a little like black walnuts.  Very
similar but I think the Osage Orange is a little larger than the black
walnuts.  There is another name for them too, just can't think of it at the
moment.   Lola

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:

 Hi Melly,
 I spotted them in a ditch on one of our country roads! First thought they
 were Granny Smith apples, but then realized they were beneath a walnut tree.
 Went back and gathered the ones that had fallen unbroken into the softer
 grass. They looked like a bunch of tennis balls. Best to get the ones that
 are more than 50% green still. They don't seem to rot, but they oxidize
 black when bruised or cracked and it's the green hull that offeres the best
 properties for making tincture.
 Google them so you can see what they're supposed to look like and what to
 do with them, and then drive around looking for walnut trees. Or you might
 call your local cooperative extension; they might know where there are local
 walnut trees and people willing to share. Right now is the time to gather
 them. Good luck!

 Be well,
 Léna


  On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

   Lena,

 Did you buy  your green walnut hull?  If so, where did you buy it?

 Thanks.

 Melly




Re: CSiodine question concerning black walnut hulls

2011-10-20 Thread Tel Tofflemire
Yes it was fun working with such a scrapper with the non believers,   
and Dr Callhan as well who was the head of AZ, and all midwestern  
states, all except the east coast,  Dr Clark had a very open mind and  
I got her to include Colloidal Silver on her website, along with  
Lugol's Iodine 5% , Several Zappers,


We made the tincture together me in AZ her in San Diego, we compared  
it by testing it with some instrument she sent me, (I forget the Name)  
but it could measure the power of the tincture, we both had the same,  
(she said) I picked wild Black walnuts by the bushel, she picked  
Wallnuts from a farm. so all is good with both,
 I see your doing the right things also..  Its fun to make a new  
thing for Health, huh?

Tel
On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:


Hi Tel,
Thanks for the info! That must have been a wonderful experience,  
working with Dr. Clark!
I've weighted the hulls under a glass dish, but a couple floated  
just above the vodka at the edges of the dish and have oxidised  
black where the air hit. Have readjusted them. The tincture is  
darkening, deepening. I covered the big container with saran wrap  
and then a glass lid. Plan to decant it into the original vodka  
bottles and stop with some rubber Vacu-vin stoppers to keep air to a  
minimum.
I didn't bother with adding Vitamin C, as I don't care if the  
tincture is dark. Just want it potent. I've been very stingy with my  
Lugol's using in in topical roll-ons but not ingesting it. Looking  
forward to using the tincture.


Be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

I worked for Dr H.R. Clark for several years before she died, and  
the walnut tenture is made with any strong Alcohol , the more you  
let it brew,  the better  stronger it will get. You can always  
dilute it with distilled water, if it gets too strong -- a little at  
a time to your liking. Make sure you cover the  Black Walnuts with  
your Alcohol brew  also a cloth cover will keep bugs out.

Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com
On Oct 20, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:


Hi all,
I just got a bunch of lovely black walnuts: bright green and un- 
smashed, and have put them in a big glass container covered with  
vodka (couldn't find grain alcohol). When I googled, the Hulda  
Clark instructions said to steep for three days. Does anyone know  
if this is the minimum or some sort of absolute? I tend to try to  
get more out of things so am tempted to let them sit longer.
Also, I know this makes great iodine and I believe iodide as well,  
but can't find how it compares to Lugol's, which is what I'm  
accustomed to using (5%)

Can anyone here fill in the gaps?

Thanks and be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Anthony Cullingworth wrote:

 It is different for everyone and depends a lot on what you are  
trying to accomplish and how much detox you need to do.  People are  
using it to fix thyroid problems, to maintain good thyroid health.   
It is also being used for treatment of Cancers.  It is used in  
every gland and organ in your body and it is proposed by some that  
most westerns are deficient in it.



I personally take 3x drops of Lugol's ( 6.25ml iodine per drop in  
both KI [potassium iodide] and elemental iodine) along with
2 x drops of SSKI ( Saturated solution potassium iodide = approx.  
50mg iodine /drop)

I also make sure to take the necessary supplements as well.

2-3g Vit C/ day
200mg Selenium
400-600mg Magnesium
1/4-1/2 of Sea Salt

Here are some useful links and also a great email group dedicated  
to the use of iodine :

http://www.lugol-iodinesupplements.com/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/?v=1t=directorych=webpub=groupssec=dirslk=8

Anthony



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Re: CSiodine question

2011-10-20 Thread Tel Tofflemire

Yes the 1oz down to the 1/4 oz of 5% Lugol's Iodine. All Brown Glass !
Tel Tofflemire
On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:18 PM, jess wrote:

Tel is yours in glass?  I had to throw it out today. Never used it  
once, but the bathroom and adjacent office smelled of it.  Jess


From: Tel Tofflemire
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:45 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSiodine question

I have been told by my supplier's that there is way more Iodine in  
the rubber and plastic than the other way , Just for your  
information, good Iodine creeps into everything, skin, furniture,  
countertops, tile, you name it, but hardly anything goes into Iodine.

Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com


On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:21 PM, jaxi wrote:

Iodine has an almost indefinite shelf life.  It will lose some  
potency over time, one of the reasons they suggest having the  
larger amount securely capped and the amount you are using daily  
(if you use it daily) decanted into a smaller bottle.


For my bottle with the dropper - you know the type with the rubber  
air bulb on top to draw up into the dropper - I just keep several  
on hand and replace periodically.


The chemists will have to give feedback but I would have to suspect  
that there are likely some plastic compounds in there now.  How  
much and whether this would make it unsafe for your use - whatever  
that might be - I cannot say.


Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote:
thanks jaxi that explains why it has been escaping from the plastic.

is it too late to restore in glass, does it have plastic compounds  
in it now from possibly breaking down the plastic?  Jess


From: jaxi
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSiodine question

They suggest storing in glass and using a regular lid for larger  
amounts and decanting into a smaller glass container with a dropper  
for daily use.  It is corrosive to plastic/rubber long term.


Jaxi

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net  
wrote:
Does anyone know if liquid iodine can be stored in plastic? I  
bought some Lugols a couple years ago and the container and dropper  
is a thick plastic. When left in the medicine cabinet in a very  
cool part of the house, it evaporated from the bottle and stained  
the inside of the cabinet orange.  Afterwards I stored the Lugols  
bottle inside a glass jar with the top on the jar. The bathroom  
still has the smell although there is no sign of staining anywhere.


I have another iodine in glass bottle with dropper that never  
escaped into the atmosphere. Thanks, Jess










Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread David AuBuchon
I was thinking about a way to revolt against chemtrails too

People take photos of the chemtrails.  Then they map it on a map, and draw a
line extending the path.  Then there is this website were everyone can post
their lines, and you can see a map of off the lines put together.  Maybe
some pattern will emerge showing the source of the airplanes.  Also could
show where all the airports are, and see how implausible it is that they
could be coming from those airports.

David


Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread Guyot Léna
No Osage Orange in upstate NY that I know of, and fortunately, I was  
raised identifying trees so walnut is easy to spot. Thanks. L

On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:15 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:

Be careful.. Osage Orange 'fruit' looks a little like black walnuts.   
Very similar but I think the Osage Orange is a little larger than the  
black walnuts.  There is another name for them too, just can't think  
of it at the moment.   Lola


On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com  
wrote:

Hi Melly,
I spotted them in a ditch on one of our country roads! First thought  
they were Granny Smith apples, but then realized they were beneath a  
walnut tree. Went back and gathered the ones that had fallen unbroken  
into the softer grass. They looked like a bunch of tennis balls. Best  
to get the ones that are more than 50% green still. They don't seem  
to rot, but they oxidize black when bruised or cracked and it's the  
green hull that offeres the best properties for making tincture.
Google them so you can see what they're supposed to look like and  
what to do with them, and then drive around looking for walnut trees.  
Or you might call your local cooperative extension; they might know  
where there are local walnut trees and people willing to share. Right  
now is the time to gather them. Good luck!


Be well,
Léna


On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

Lena,

Did you buy  your green walnut hull?  If so, where did you buy it?

Thanks.

Melly





Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread phoenix23002 tds.net
David, I have seen a lot of the pictures of chemtrails on youtube.
Some of them show ridiculous numbers of chemtrails ... so many in one
place.  It is outrageous!!  An idiot could tell the difference between
a chemtrail and a contrail.  What is that website you mentioned?  That
would be fascinating to see and moniter.  It has been rainy and cloudy
here in Va for the last few days but before then, no chemtrails and we
used to have them criss-crossing in the sky, all day, every day.  I
had forgotten what a clear, pretty blue sky looks like..lol.  I will
have to start checking for the trails tomorrow.  Darn.. hoped they
were gone.   Lola

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:27 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was thinking about a way to revolt against chemtrails too

 People take photos of the chemtrails.  Then they map it on a map, and draw a
 line extending the path.  Then there is this website were everyone can post
 their lines, and you can see a map of off the lines put together.  Maybe
 some pattern will emerge showing the source of the airplanes.  Also could
 show where all the airports are, and see how implausible it is that they
 could be coming from those airports.

 David



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Re: CSiodine question concerning black walnut hulls

2011-10-20 Thread Guyot Léna
I just LOVE it! It's so satisfying to amass healing stuff that I can  
trust, distill my own water, make my own CS, encapsulate my own  
remedies, mix my own topical roll-ons. A small Brother label machine  
has made it especially fun. (I used to have confusing, anonymous  
jars: not so good.) Going on the road for 6 months has forced me to  
plan ahead and carry what will be hard to get elsewhere. Now I just  
have to figure out where it'll all fit in the Airstream! (we call it   
the 'ePod' ; 'e' for escape)


Be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:19 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

Yes it was fun working with such a scrapper with the non believers,   
and Dr Callhan as well who was the head of AZ, and all midwestern  
states, all except the east coast,  Dr Clark had a very open mind and  
I got her to include Colloidal Silver on her website, along with  
Lugol's Iodine 5% , Several Zappers,


We made the tincture together me in AZ her in San Diego, we compared  
it by testing it with some instrument she sent me, (I forget the  
Name) but it could measure the power of the tincture, we both had the  
same, (she said) I picked wild Black walnuts by the bushel, she  
picked Wallnuts from a farm. so all is good with both,
 I see your doing the right things also..  Its fun to make a new  
thing for Health, huh?

Tel
On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:


Hi Tel,
Thanks for the info! That must have been a wonderful experience,  
working with Dr. Clark!
I've weighted the hulls under a glass dish, but a couple floated  
just above the vodka at the edges of the dish and have oxidised  
black where the air hit. Have readjusted them. The tincture is  
darkening, deepening. I covered the big container with saran wrap  
and then a glass lid. Plan to decant it into the original vodka  
bottles and stop with some rubber Vacu-vin stoppers to keep air to  
a minimum.
I didn't bother with adding Vitamin C, as I don't care if the  
tincture is dark. Just want it potent. I've been very stingy with  
my Lugol's using in in topical roll-ons but not ingesting it.  
Looking forward to using the tincture.


Be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 7:29 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote:

I worked for Dr H.R. Clark for several years before she died, and  
the walnut tenture is made with any strong Alcohol , the more you  
let it brew,  the better  stronger it will get. You can always  
dilute it with distilled water, if it gets too strong -- a little  
at a time to your liking. Make sure you cover the  Black Walnuts  
with your Alcohol brew  also a cloth cover will keep bugs out.

Tel Tofflemire
www.quailwoodherbal.com
On Oct 20, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:


Hi all,
I just got a bunch of lovely black walnuts: bright green and un- 
smashed, and have put them in a big glass container covered with  
vodka (couldn't find grain alcohol). When I googled, the Hulda  
Clark instructions said to steep for three days. Does anyone know  
if this is the minimum or some sort of absolute? I tend to try to  
get more out of things so am tempted to let them sit longer.
Also, I know this makes great iodine and I believe iodide as well,  
but can't find how it compares to Lugol's, which is what I'm  
accustomed to using (5%)

Can anyone here fill in the gaps?

Thanks and be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Anthony Cullingworth wrote:

 It is different for everyone and depends a lot on what you are  
trying to accomplish and how much detox you need to do.  People  
are using it to fix thyroid problems, to maintain good thyroid  
health.  It is also being used for treatment of Cancers.  It is  
used in every gland and organ in your body and it is proposed by  
some that most westerns are deficient in it.



I personally take 3x drops of Lugol's ( 6.25ml iodine per drop in  
both KI [potassium iodide] and elemental iodine) along with
2 x drops of SSKI ( Saturated solution potassium iodide = approx.  
50mg iodine /drop)

I also make sure to take the necessary supplements as well.

2-3g Vit C/ day
200mg Selenium
400-600mg Magnesium
1/4-1/2 of Sea Salt

Here are some useful links and also a great email group dedicated  
to the use of iodine :

http://www.lugol-iodinesupplements.com/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/? 
v=1t=directorych=webpub=groupssec=dirslk=8


Anthony



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Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread polo
Osage Orange looks nothing like black walnut! The implication here is that 
Osage orange is to be avoided. May I suggest that the Osage orange is a 
treasure not fully appreciated. My webspage on the subject:

http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Wild_Herbs/Osage_Orange/osage_orange.html

doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: phoenix23002 tds.net 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:15 PM
  Subject: Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull


  Be careful.. Osage Orange 'fruit' looks a little like black walnuts.  Very 
similar but I think the Osage Orange is a little larger than the black walnuts. 
 There is another name for them too, just can't think of it at the moment.   
Lola



Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread David AuBuchon
I was suggesting someone MAKE such a site, so we might discover the
culprits.

Ya, one would think that even idiots could tell the difference.  Yet
somehow, people really are too dense to see it.

David


Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread Guyot Léna
Thanks for this link, Polo! You've made me want to get a sapling next  
spring and see if it could survive up here. We got a red-bud which is  
thriving, so perhaps.


Be well,
Léna
On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:49 PM, polo wrote:

Osage Orange looks nothing like black walnut! The implication here is  
that Osage orange is to be avoided. May I suggest that the Osage  
orange is a treasure not fully appreciated. My webspage on the subject:


http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Wild_Herbs/Osage_Orange/osage_orange.html

doug
- Original Message -
From: phoenix23002 tds.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

Be careful.. Osage Orange 'fruit' looks a little like black walnuts.   
Very similar but I think the Osage Orange is a little larger than the  
black walnuts.  There is another name for them too, just can't think  
of it at the moment.   Lola





Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread Mike Winslow-Hansen
i find it is interesting this is happening every day and no one really knows 
why, only theories...who is doing it and why? and why aren't the people being 
told?
  - Original Message - 
  From: David AuBuchon 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail


  I was thinking about a way to revolt against chemtrails too

  People take photos of the chemtrails.  Then they map it on a map, and draw a 
line extending the path.  Then there is this website were everyone can post 
their lines, and you can see a map of off the lines put together.  Maybe some 
pattern will emerge showing the source of the airplanes.  Also could show where 
all the airports are, and see how implausible it is that they could be coming 
from those airports.  

  David


Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread Sara Mandal-Joy
I don't know - but that is how it was explained to us.  It apparently 
has a way to measure the water, without having a dial that puts out the 
number.  The old dial wasn't disconnected, but they made sure to tell us 
not to count on the old dial, since it would no longer be being checked 
or recalibrated by them.  So we have no way of checking the data they 
are invisibly receiving in their computers.  Sara


On 10/20/2011 10:14 PM, PTFerrance wrote:

Hi Sara, As far as I know if the old meter is still running it has to have
water going through it.  That's what makes the dials move.  So my question
is what is the new meter recording?
PT

-Original Message-
From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:smjl...@wavewls.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:50 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

That is not definitive.  We have a smart meter on our water.  The old
meter is still there and is running.  The new meter doesn't even have a
dial - it is all directly transmitted data, no local readout.  Sara

On 10/20/2011 9:14 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote:

Melly, go out and look at the meter. If it has clock like circles, it
is not a smart meter. If it has numbers, it is smart.


On 10/20/2011 8:56 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

I am rather confused.  I called Pedernales our electric utility co.
here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed.
I was told that they read our electricity electronically.  They asked
for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart
meter and asked if i wanted one.  I said, hell no!   How can they
read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a
smart meter, is that possible at all?
Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!!
Melly



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Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread phoenix23002 tds.net
lol.. Walnut is an easy tree to spot.  The fact that it is usually all by
it's lonesome helps a bunch.  My grandmother, a history buff, always
insisted that we take her to the plantations on rt 5, here in Va, when she
visited from Texas.  The Westover Plantation's grounds are open to the
public with an 'honor' box to receive a modest fee from visitors.  We
wandered the beautiful gardens and heard a motor going around back.  There
was an auto with the driver going forward a few feet, then in reverse
and then forward again.  Curious..hmm..  A lovely lady, garden hat askew,
 jumped out of the car and welcomed us and explained that this was how she
got the husks off her black walnuts.  She had a large tarp on the ground
covered with black walnuts and would run her car tires back  forth over
them.  Neat idea !!  She insisted that my grandmother take a bag of her
walnuts with a warning to wear gloves when we handled them because they
would dye your hands and nails with color that would have to wear off.
There was no washing the color off.  That was my first acquaintance with
black walnuts..lol.. Lola

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:

 No Osage Orange in upstate NY that I know of, and fortunately, I was raised
 identifying trees so walnut is easy to spot. Thanks. L

  On Oct 20, 2011, at 11:15 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:

 Be careful.. Osage Orange 'fruit' looks a little like black walnuts.  Very
 similar but I think the Osage Orange is a little larger than the black
 walnuts.  There is another name for them too, just can't think of it at the
 moment.   Lola

 On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:55 PM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote:

 Hi Melly,
 I spotted them in a ditch on one of our country roads! First thought they
 were Granny Smith apples, but then realized they were beneath a walnut tree.
 Went back and gathered the ones that had fallen unbroken into the softer
 grass. They looked like a bunch of tennis balls. Best to get the ones that
 are more than 50% green still. They don't seem to rot, but they oxidize
 black when bruised or cracked and it's the green hull that offeres the best
 properties for making tincture.
 Google them so you can see what they're supposed to look like and what to
 do with them, and then drive around looking for walnut trees. Or you might
 call your local cooperative extension; they might know where there are local
 walnut trees and people willing to share. Right now is the time to gather
 them. Good luck!

 Be well,
 Léna


  On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Melly Bag wrote:

   Lena,

 Did you buy  your green walnut hull?  If so, where did you buy it?

 Thanks.

 Melly






Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull

2011-10-20 Thread phoenix23002 tds.net
Doug.. n..  Osage oranges just look a little like black walnuts,
unhusked.  Osage oranges are much larger but they are both green and
round and kinda gnarly looking.  Osage Oranges keep bugs away from
your house and some people even eat a little slice of them every day
to keep illness (some say cancer) at bay.  Thanks for the link, Doug.
:)   Lola

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:49 PM, polo dah...@centurytel.net wrote:
 Osage Orange looks nothing like black walnut! The implication here is that
 Osage orange is to be avoided. May I suggest that the Osage orange is a
 treasure not fully appreciated. My webspage on the subject:

 http://www.racehorseherbal.com/Wild_Herbs/Osage_Orange/osage_orange.html

 doug

 - Original Message -
 From: phoenix23002 tds.net
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:15 PM
 Subject: Re: CSGreen Walnut Hull
 Be careful.. Osage Orange 'fruit' looks a little like black walnuts.  Very
 similar but I think the Osage Orange is a little larger than the black
 walnuts.  There is another name for them too, just can't think of it at the
 moment.   Lola




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Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail

2011-10-20 Thread David AuBuchon
There is an okay documentary called What the heck are they spraying and
supposedly people measured melted snow from the top of mount shasta and it
is has way over safe levels aluminum in it.  They also visit some places
were wildlife is sort of dying.  And they show changes in soil pHs.  I heard
someone also found mycoplasma from chemtrails.  There is also a retired high
ranking military whistle blower, I forget his name, he said in a you tube
video the name of a place where he knows some of them are taking off from.
And he said they are unmarked NATO planes.  Some say global warming
control.  Some say depopulation.  Who knows.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen th...@telus.netwrote:

 **
 i find it is interesting this is happening every day and no one really
 knows why, only theories...who is doing it and why? and why aren't the
 people being told?