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Re: CSAt last some honest research
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2292600/?report=classic On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: On 5/7/2015 12:37 AM, Arnold Beland wrote: At last some honest research and testing of ionic silver. Note that electrically produced ionic silver outperforms silver compounds by a wide margin. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...report=classic http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2292600/?report=classic That link does not work. Marshall
CSAt last some honest research
At last some honest research and testing of ionic silver. Note that electrically produced ionic silver outperforms silver compounds by a wide margin. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...report=classic http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2292600/?report=classic Antibacterial Activity and Mechanism of Action of the Silver Ion in Staphylococcus aureus and Escherichia coli. The antibacterial effect and mechanism of action of a silver ion solution that was electrically generated were investigated for Staphylococcus aureus and Escherichia coli by analyzing the growth, morphology, and ultrastructure of the bacterial cells following treatment with the silver ion solution. Bacteria were exposed to the silver ion solution for various lengths of time, and the antibacterial effect of the solution was tested using the conventional plate count method and flow cytometric (FC) analysis. Reductions of more than 5 log10 CFU/ml of both S. aureus and E. coli bacteria were confirmed after 90 min of treatment with the silver ion solution. Significant reduction of S. aureus and E. coli cells was also observed by FC analysis; however, the reduction rate determined by FC analysis was less than that determined by the conventional plate count method. These differences may be attributed to the presence of bacteria in an active but nonculturable (ABNC) state after treatment with the silver ion solution. Transmission electron microscopy showed considerable changes in the bacterial cell membranes upon silver ion treatment, which might be the cause or consequence of cell death. In conclusion, the results of the present study suggest that silver ions may cause S. aureus and E. coli bacteria to reach an ABNC state and eventually die. Since ancient times, the silver ion has been known to be effective against a broad range of microorganisms. Today, silver ions are used to control bacterial growth in a variety of medical applications, including dental work, catheters, and the healing of burn wounds (17, 30, 31). Silver ions are also used for a number of nonmedical purposes, such as in electrical appliances (14, 36). The slow-release “nanosilver” linings of laundry machines, dishwashers, refrigerators, and toilet seats are also marketed and advertised. It is clear that we are exposed to a wide range of mostly unfamiliar uses of silver-containing products intended to function as antimicrobial biocides. Therefore, it is necessary to elucidate the antimicrobial activity of the silver ion, which is widely used in these products. The mechanism of the antimicrobial action of silver ions is closely related to their interaction with thiol (sulfhydryl) groups (1, 5, 9, 10), although other target sites remain a possibility (27, 34). Amino acids, such as cysteine, and other compounds containing thiol groups, such as sodium thioglycolate, neutralized the activity of silver against bacteria (18). By contrast, disulfide bond-containing amino acids, non-sulfur-containing amino acids, and sulfur-containing compounds, such as cystathione, cysteic acid, l-methionine, taurine, sodium bisulfate, and sodium thiosulfate, were all unable to neutralize the activity of silver ions. These and other findings imply that the interaction of silver ions with thiol groups in enzymes and proteins plays an essential role in its antimicrobial action, although other cellular components, like hydrogen bonding, may also be involved (10). Silver was also proposed to act by binding to key functional groups of enzymes. Silver ions cause the release of K+ ions from bacteria; thus, the bacterial plasma or cytoplasmic membrane, which is associated with many important enzymes, is an important target site for silver ions (9, 22, 25, 29). In addition to their effects on bacterial enzymes, silver ions caused marked inhibition of bacterial growth and were deposited in the vacuole and cell wall as granules (6). They inhibited cell division and damaged the cell envelope and contents of bacteria (27). Bacterial cells increased in size, and the cytoplasmic membrane, cytoplasmic contents, and outer cell layers all exhibited structural abnormalities. Finally, silver ions interact with nucleic acids (35); they interact preferentially with the bases in DNA rather than with the phosphate groups, although the significance of this in terms of their lethal action is unclear (12, 24, 34, 37). The following silver compounds and silver are listed in Martindale: the Extra Pharmacopoeia: silver metal, silver acetate, silver nitrate, silver protein, and silver sulfadiazine (26a). The silver ion can be generated by electrolyzing the silver metal or dissolving the silver compounds. It is known that the electrically generated silver ion appeared to be superior to the silver compounds in antimicrobial activity (3, 4). However, most of the aforementioned studies which determined a mechanism of action of silver used silver ions produced from silver compounds like silver nitrate or silver
Re: CS.999 silver tubing in various widths:
mike that doubt I use WouldI On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:45 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: So Mike Monet was looking for this type of tubing for his generator. I was about to share it with him, but then discovered he had removed me from his silver forum for disagreeing with him...on a different forum that that one...go figure...Also, FYI, it turns out he is really suffering seriously from mold related illness and never brought it up here. http://www.riogrande.com/Product/999-Fine-Silver-Seamless-Tubing-Soft/100930 Anyway, some of you might benefit instead. I will definitely be trying this out in the future with Mike's super *Please Note: *Important! This fine silver is jewelry-quality, not medical-grade, material. Do not, under any circumstances, use Rio Grande silver material for colloidal purposes.low current ideas. These tubes increase surface area by a whole lot. David I doubt that Mike would use anything of this low purity. Here is a quote from the makers of this tubing: *Please Note: *Important! This fine silver is jewelry-quality, not medical-grade, material. Do not, under any circumstances, use Rio Grande silver material for colloidal purposes.
Re: CSThe importance of low current
All you really need is a resistor and an understanding of ohms law. Here are some links: *http://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/ohms-law*http://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/ohms-law *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law *http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/ohmslaw.htm*http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/ohmslaw.htm On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: -- From: ragrem...@netzero.net Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:57:40 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSThe importance of low current This my first post and I am gonna be building my generator very soon. I must decide now, what I should buy. There's an article online by a guy lightman who adds a current limiting device to his generator. A reader added that he keeps the CURRENT around .28 milliamps max, using a 30VDC power supply. I will be using a 12VDC power supply. Having to wait longer because of a low current is OK with me, if in fact having the smaller particles is a good thing. This guy also uses an aquarium air pump, claiming it helps keep the silver particles smaller. I know absolutely nothing about electronics but the idea of using a high frequency pulsed DC supply just seems logical to me. I am going to try and build the Bruce K. Stenulson version he builds with the Experimenters Socket. http://www.stenulson.net/althealth/cspulse.htm#E Socket Some folks use a TDC meter and yet others a PWT? 1. Is running at such low CURRENT really beneficial? What changes would I have to make to the Stenelson pulsed rig to achieve this low current? 2. Does the air pump improve the CS? # I don't brew any EIS of volume over 250ml (8 ounces) without stirring. 3. Which gives a more accurate reading, a TDC meter or a PWT? Is it safe to assume that if I check the resistance of the CS in the jar with my multi-meter and, stop the process at the same reading each time, that my PPM should be very similar with each batch? # I don't use a PWT meter, however, I do use a HM Digital EC/TDS/TEMP meter, HM Digital TDS-3 meter, and a HANNA TDS meter, and measure readings at regular timed intervals with all three - and there is NOTHING substantial between any of them in the scheme of things regarding home produced EIS. 4. If I wanted to make a half-gallon at a time, would I need to change anything? # I'd be incorporating some form of stirring method if it were me. Purity of water is the primary number one concern! N. Thank you guys for tolerating such a long post!
Re: CSCS
Yes. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Jonathan john_smith...@yahoo.com wrote: *Does making CS basically just boil down to electrolysis? I see systems with one 9 volt that make 3-5 ppms in about 2-1/2 hr.s. Then I see systems that use four 9 volt batteries. And they make 10 ppm in about 1-1/2hr.s. I would think then if the four 9 volt system put out less then 36 volts because of lets say the batteries getting old. It would theatrically still make good CS. But just take longer because of the lower voltage? *
Re: CSRe: CS Need a CS generator
You stand a very good chance of killing yourself by making/using this Death Trap. The lowest price complete Colloidal Silver Generator that I know of is the following: http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm It was designed by a retired NASA Design Engineer. Arnold - Original Message - From: Duncan Crow duncanc...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: CSRe: CS Need a CS generator Sandy; this CS generator costs only whatever your silver electrode costs, about $25 CAD. It is capable of contunous operation and it makes about 2 quarts per minute: http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/colloidal_silver.html all good, Duncan Hello Everyone... I cannot afford one of the CS generators off the internet and was wondering if any of you know of a really reasonably priced [good] one that I can make or buy? I have a link to the site which shows how to make them but you need several things I'm not sure about. Do any of you make and sell them? Is there any way you would sell me one? I'd greatly appreciate it. Best regards... Sandy from Texas __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPics of your setup
Members critique away. http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm http://www.atlasnova.com/csginst.pdf http://www.atlasnova.com/1halfgalinstfin.pdf http://www.atlasnova.com/1galinst.pdf - Original Message - From: john freese To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: CSPics of your setup Hello, I have a request for all the members of the list. Especially the more experienced members. I think it would be interesting to see the different and unique setups the members of this list use to make their CS. The next time you make a batch of CS please take a picture or pictures of your setup and post them. I believe this would spark a lot of interesting questions as members critique the setups. Just a thought : ) Thank you in advance for participation in this request. John.
Re: CSWhat do you really need to make pretty darn good colloidal silver?
Thanks Steve, I have received an email privately warning me that shorting out the electrodes will burn out the LED. There is a current limiting resistor in the circuit just visible on the board. It is a 150 Ohm 1/8th watt unit so it is physically quite small. I have run these units with the electrodes shorted out for over a week without any damage to the LED whatsoever. The recommended continuous operating current of the LED is two milliamps for a MTBF of 100,000 HRS. The stirring, such as it is, is accomplished by the user periodically shifting the position of the electrodes in the water so as to observe the dimming of the LED, indicating a drop in current. This generator far exceeds my current limiting recommendation that I have been preaching for such a long time. This is for those who wish to produce Perfect CS. At a current density of 100 Microamps per square inch and a sufficient separation between electrodes of 4 inches, I no longer have the problems inherent in any method of stirring. Please have a look at my posting here: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=371376 Not many people are willing to invest the time and money in a setup like the one in that thread. Judging by the number of people who purchase two silver maple leaf coins and some alligator clips, it seems obvious to me that there is a price point of under $30.00 that would encourage people to start making their own colloidal silver. I think this is of great benefit to people, as there are so many questionable products available off the shelf. Please note that I use the expression pretty darn good not perfect. As a matter of fact I can go up to about 17 PPM ionic with this method in around five hours. If I leave the solution open for 24 hours it will reduce to about 12 PPM but not turn yellow and still give a pretty good laser beam. Best regards, Arnold - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: Fw: CSWhat do you really need to make pretty darn good colloidal silver? Oops -- From: Norton, Steve To: 'abela...@comcast.net' abela...@comcast.net Sent: Fri Aug 14 20:13:41 2009 Subject: Re: CSWhat do you really need to make pretty darn good colloidal silver? I like the simple method you developed to determine when the CS is ready. Although I would decant vs using filter paper. Well done. - Steve N -- From: Arnold Beland abela...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Aug 14 14:04:37 2009 Subject: CSWhat do you really need to make pretty darn good colloidal silver? What do you really need to make pretty darn good colloidal silver? http://www.atlasnova.com/csginst.pdf Comments are welcome.
CSWhat do you really need to make pretty darn good colloidal silver?
What do you really need to make pretty darn good colloidal silver? http://www.atlasnova.com/csginst.pdf Comments are welcome.
Re: CSSilver hydroxide?
So this would be the hard flaky stuff that builds up on the anode over time with excessive current? - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 5:52 AM Subject: Re: CSSilver hydroxide? Silver Hydroxide is not very soluble and is formed when the silver AG [+] ion combines with it's OH [-] anion. I don't think that the limited solubility it does have, is as an ionic solution. The claims appear to be self contradictory. Ode At 08:50 AM 7/3/2009 +, you wrote: Hello All, I am curently looking at ionic silver products for medicinal purposes. I have found a brand which is 100ppm Ionic Silver by Metabolics. Their website says that: 10 drops contain: Silver (as Silver Hydroxide).;9mcg;+;+ http://www.metabolics.com/store/natural+healthcare/product/ionsi0100t/http://www.metabolics.com/store/natural+healthcare/product/ionsi0100t/ I have never seen ionic silver described as silver hydroxide before; is this true soluble ionic silver or actually a silver particle colloid ? I have looked up silver hydroxide on the net but I'm not a chemist and I can't figure out what exactly silver hydroxide is. Can anyone shed sny light on this? Many thanks. Kind Regards Rachel -- Beyond Hotmail - see what else you can do with Windows Live. Find out more. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
I went to the wishgranted site to see what this was all about. Here are my observations. The designers of this unit are to be applauded for recognizing the fact that current must be limited to less than 100 micro amps per square inch of surface area of silver. This was probably the reason they have chosen to use 28 gauge flat sheet instead of round wire. This gives them a much increased surface area for the amount of silver used. I calculate that the silver supplied with the generator is 0.342 ounces. This is roughly the same amount that is supplied with most generators in this price range and it is the equivalent in weight of two pieces of 12 gauge silver wire of 6 inches in length. The first few batches will show evidence of accelerated wear at the square corners as sharp points have a greater tendency to release ions, but this effect should not last past the first few batches. All so-called fully automatic units are designed by accepting a compromise. They are all designed to shut off the process when a certain cell voltage is achieved. The voltage between the two electrodes will steadily decrease as the resistance of the cell decreases. The resistance of the cell will decrease or the conductivity will increase with the number of silver ions that are in solution. In terms of conductivity this will equal the reading on a proper conductivity meter of MicroSiemens. In this case, a potentiometers is used two pick a certain voltage and the cell voltage is monitored until it equals the potentiometers voltage. This would be necessary with this unit as they have no control over the spacing of the electrodes, which directly influences the cell voltage versus the PPM. They have no facility for reversing the polarity of the unit. This means that at least half, possibly more depending on electrode spacing, of the silver will be wasted. With spacing this close, most of the silver ions will make it to the cathode and collect on it. When enough of them agglomerate they will fall to the bottom of the container. This is actually mentioned in the item's description. The silverpuppy, in contrast, periodically reverses the polarity to limit this effect and also provides a mechanism for stirring. If anyone is interested in really learning how to properly make colloidal silver here is a link to some posts on a forum that is populated by a highly critical people. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=371376 I have taken the approach of simply limiting the current amount and increasing the spacing between electrodes to the point where the generator can simply be left alone for 24 HRS. You need a Multimeter and a laser pointer, which I consider essential, to ascertain whether or not you've made anything at all. You will be able to reliably create any clear solution at a strength of 15 to 20 PPM that will remain stable in a clear glass container. - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:28 PM Subject: Re: CS I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. http://www.wishgranted.com This is their site, check it out, it is really a good deal now on sale for $129.00 Reg $149.00 Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. I'm sure many members would be glad to hear details about the merits of the Colloid Master.Could you provide some? What makes it better than others, in your view? Also, have you used the distiller the company offers in a package deal? List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSteam distillers
This looks identical to a unit that is available here in the United States at $99.00. It must be tough to live in Germany. - Original Message - From: Golden Aldi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:58 AM Subject: CSSteam distillers I've just ordered a steam distiller, 220V to start making my own water. I've read that even after distillation, there are still traces of Nitrat 0,10mg/ltr, Chlor ,05mg/ltr, Phosphat 0,02mg/ltr, Natrium 0,07mg/ltr and Atrazin (have no idea what that is) 0,02mg/ltr. I believe they used tap water for distilling, so if I used filtered water, that should get most of the elements out before distilling, thus giving me a more purer water. Am I correct in my assumptions? Aldi This is the one I bought... (http://www.ionic-pulser.eu/wasser/dampfdestilliergeraet.html)
Re: CSMaking a CS generator
The disadvantage of using one of these devices is that you are stuck with a fixed current. You might very well find that it and an is an advantage to be able to vary the amount of current according to the surface area of the silver wire that you have immersed in water. You can do this easily by dividing the voltage available by the current that you desire and purchase a resistor for the resulting value. Resistors are available at any radio shack for 99¢ for five. For instance, if you did want one milliamp and you had say, 27 volts (3-9 volt batteries) then you would divide 27 by 0.001. The result would be 27,000. So you would insert a 27 K resistor in series and you would have a limit of one milliamp. For a discussion of the advantage of using even lower values for current vs. surface area, have a look at this link. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=322679 - Original Message - From: Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC To: cs Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:22 PM Subject: CSMaking a CS generator Subject: CSBrewing CS To all (especially new members) You can make a Controlled Current Generator with and Wall DC power supply using a Current Regulating Central Diode they come in various currents 610-1N5297 from Mouser Electronics is for 1 Mill amp You put this in line with power supply with a volt meter you can measure voltage (higher as Silver is further apart and lower as you move silver closer together). It adjust voltage to maintain mill amp rating. You can use even a low voltage power supply, it will just take longer. I have a 9 volt power supply that puts out 9 volts at 800 mill amps, at 1 mill amp it puts out close to 23 volts. So if you read the voltage at no load with a multi meter (I mill amp is close to no load). Once you have a batch you can seed the next batch to save time. Bob
Re: CSMy best effort at making CS
Hi Indy, I came up with a figure of 100 micro amps per square inch of surface area by experimentation. This was possible as I had a lot of time and a lot of silver wire. Do I think that the people who say it takes a lot less time are mistaken? I would not make such a statement. If they're making something that makes them feel better and they're happy with what they're doing. As long as they can keep it from turning yellow, but are still able to see the actual particles with one of my laser pointers, they haven't gone that far wrong. In the case of the generators shown, the 1 gallon generator produces the best stable CS that I have been able to make. I have zero experience with HV AC cone methods. I would not go anywhere near that much voltage. Do you have a laser pointer so that you able to see the actual particles? - Original Message - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: CSMy best effort at making CS Darn, it happened again that my reply went firect rather than to the list. Sorry, Arnold. Here it is for the list: Thanks for putting this online. I was kind of hoping someone more knowledgeable would comment first, but I do have two questions -- how did you determine that 100 microamps per square inch of surface area was optimum? And do you think that the people +who say it takes a lot less time to make CS/EIS are mistaken? My experience (using HVAC cone method) mirrors yours on the time factor, even though I often see people say they make it much more quickly. I had attributed it to the difference between HVAC and LVDC. Was I mistaken? Thanks, -- indi On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 04:10:10PM -0700, Arnold Beland wrote: This was too long to post to the silver list so here is the link: [1]http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=371376 Comments are welcome. References Visible links 1. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=371376 -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy best effort at making CS
Hi Steve, Yes, I was somewhat surprised myself. My intention with the design of the printed circuit board was to be able to also offer customers a setup with a mason canning jar to be able to make 1/2 gallon per day and have the same quantity of very small particles. But the results are undeniable. As far as the barrier, you have a very good idea. Years ago on the list we had some people experimenting with various approaches to what we called the starved cathode method. It came and went, as so much does here on the list. The 100 micro amps per square inch of surface area that I use an goes back to work that Mike Monet did here on the list. I've found that it had a great deal of merit. The reason for this being valid is the Nernst diffusion area. http://www-biol.paisley.ac.uk/marco/Enzyme_Electrode/Chapter2/Chapter2_page3.htm This only applies only to the anode. The phenomenon that I observed between the results of the 1 gallon set up and the 1/2 gallon setup must have more to do with the the ability of ions to assimilate or truly dissolve into the water before they end up on the cathode. The results are undeniable. That's why I take pictures, even when I am experimenting only for my own information. - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:24 PM Subject: FW: CSMy best effort at making CS Arnold, Your test results are both interesting and somewhat surprising. I have always used some form of stirring, even when I have used a four inch separation between electrodes. With your one gallon setup you are getting the performance of the sophisticated, automated generators but without the cost or complexity. One question though - do you think the performance of the half gallon setup would be improved by adding a plastic barrier between the positive and negative electrodes to increase the electrical path length between them to something equivalent to the one gallon 4 inch separation? I would put the barrier closer to the negative electrode so as to give as much open water to the silver ions. And I would not make it too restrictive (overly large). - Steve N -- From: Arnold Beland [mailto:abela...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 4:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMy best effort at making CS This was too long to post to the silver list so here is the link: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=371376 Comments are welcome.
CSstarter kit
Ode says Abeland [atlasnova] is a decent guy and that design will work, but just a bit more will make it work really well With 2 digital meters [the one shown is from harborfreight.com @ about $7 each..$3 on sale ] One meter to show current, the other to show voltage.. A 10K potentiometer... $1.50 from the shack [Just the resistor works pretty good if it's the right value for the rest of the variables ] and a way to repeatably mount the electrodes, parallel, at a set distance. One meter in series to show current, the other in parallel to show voltage drop as you turn the potentiometer to keep the current constant..when the voltage reaches a point where you like the results..stop. That will be controlled and repeatable. Keep the current low enough and that setup will make very nice CS. ode Hi Ode, Thanks for the compliment. It is quite true that this setup will not make consistently good colloidal silver. As a matter of fact, I have deliberately made it that way. I would like people to go ahead make some yellow stuff by letting it go too long. Keep in mind the starter word is imperative. Hopefully, they will get tired of messing about with batteries and alligator and clips move to one of my proper colloidal silver generator kits that have a circuit board to securely mount the electrodes and monitor of both the voltage across the cell and the current in microamps. http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/cspcb.jpg I use a 1K resistor and have the user place the voltmeter on the two volt range. This ends up reading microamps. I have found myself that if I measure current directly with one of these meters, I will invariably put it across a low impedance voltage source. Good night meter. In the old days of the Simpsons and the Triplets you could at least easily open them up and replace the fuse but I don't think I'd want to try to do that on one of these $5.00 meters. I get these myself from my local HarborFreight and try to get them when they're on sale. You gave me a good idea, I will, when someone buys one of my proper setups, offer a second meter at five bucks. It won't cost me any more to ship as it will fit into the same box. When I get someone who simply cannot cope with the idea of doing the amount of work that I'm asking of them, I cheerfully recommend the silver puppy.
Re: CScolloidal vs. ionic silver
Hi Mike, As usual, a great explanation. Tell me, how do you feel about plagiarism? I am usually strongly against it and would not indulge in it, probably from fear of being discovered. In this case I have a strong urge to just do a copy and paste. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: Re: CScolloidal vs. ionic silver Greetings and welcome, Rachel! I am new to the list. Your archives are down and so I hope you don't mind if I ask a couple of questions... Please do... ... can somebody tell me what the difference is between colloidal and ionic silver? Is it particle size and method of production? Which is safer to ingest for medicinal purposes, colloidal or ionic silver, in terms of preventing agyria problems? Good questions, all. Speaking in technical, rather than marketing terms, a colloid is a suspension of particles that are small enough to stay dispersed in a liquid just by the random mixing caused by Brownian motion within the liquid. That's just the normal movement of the molecules of the liquid due to the latent heat energy they posess due to the fact that our planet isn't a dark, frozen rock in space. Thank the sun for that! Colloidal particles could be pretty big, on an atomic scale, consisting of 10's or 100's of atoms of a substance, or more. If they don't settle out after a long time then they're small enough for the suspension to be called a colloid; if they do settle out, they're not. Fine clay in water can form a colloidal suspension, for example. It'll stay cloudy indefinitely and not settle out. An ion is a particle, too, but specifically an atom or small group of atoms that has gained or lost at least one electron and thus has an electrical charge. Common table salt in water breaks apart into equal numbers of: Na(+) sodium ions with a missing electron and a positive charge Cl(-) chlorine ions with an extra electron and a negative charge Even in plain water, random movement will cause there to be a few hydrogen, H(+) ions and hydroxyl, OH(-) ions floating about, as water molecules sponaneously break apart. They will recombine and cancel each other out, and form again, indefinitely. Now, talking about silver, including some translation of marketing- speak: What's generically been called colloidal silver seems to encompass every damn thing anybody has ever bothered to put in a bottle. Grind up silver metal into a powder, toss it in some liquid, and call it colloidal silver... You'd be right, at least until it settles out in the bottom of the bottle. Shake before use, no doubt! shudder Put it in a protein gel to keep it suspended better and you'd have one of the early silver protein products. (There are some recent versions of these that are not so crudely made...) Take a concentrated solution of some silver compound, mix it with another chemical, causing the compound to break up and the silver to precipitate out as tiny particles... and you'll have one of the chemically derived products calling themselves colloidal silver. Some of these are bottled and sold by health-food stores. Take a concentrated solution of some silver compound and dilute it with water and sell it directly... and you'll have yet another product that, while it might be effective and safe if used sparingly, has also been linked more than once to cases of argyria. Do what most of us do, and buy or build a basic colloidal silver generator, and you'll put silver into pure distilled water by low voltage direct current electricity. At low concentrations, this will produce mostly ions (single atoms) of silver, each bearing a positive charge, floating around in the water. Up to the solubility limit (about 13ppm, isn't it?) these will mostly stay isolated in the water. (Which has led to some of our members calling this kind of preparation EIS, for Electrically Isolated Silver.) Near the positive silver electrode, though, the local concentration can be pretty high, leading to atoms hitting each other occasionally and clumping together to make particles. These particles might or might not still have a charge on them, but they're certainly small enough to stay in suspension. If you run the CS maker long enough, the ions of silver will become crowded enough in the water to find each other and clump together just by random motion. After running it long enough, the clumps of atoms can grow big enough to start falling out of suspension. Go on even longer and you'll end up with mud. grin Thus, any product made this way is going to end up with some of both the ionic and colloidal forms. Most of us try to make a relatively low concentration CS or EIS that will generally turn out to be 10 to 30% particles and 70 to 90% ions. From a few ppm to about 10ppm is easy to do, safe, stable, and generally effective. Exactly what proportion you produce isn't all that important. It just works. Back to marketing
Re: CSCS Starter Kit
Re: CSCS Starter KitI would hope that good instructions come with the = unit Judge for yourself. http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: CSCS Starter Kit I forgot to answer your question as to whether it will make quality CS. It can make quality CS and it can make poor quality CS depending on how you use. To make good CS you will need to monitor the current used and the time brewed. I would hope that good instructions come with the unit. And ask questions on the list where you are uncertain. - Steve N - Original Message - From: Jason john_smith...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri May 01 11:22:18 2009 Subject: CSCS Starter Kit My girl friend insists that I could get all these parts from radio shack to make CS except for the silver rods which I heard from this list that I could buy from a jeweler.My argument is for $40 I could get all this delivered to my house.My best guess would be to buy all this items separate would cost me over $40, and take time tracking these items down. Any thoughts on this purchase would be appreciated.Also Would this machine make a high quality CS THAT i WOULD BE DESIRING? Thanks for any input.Jason http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMy best effort at making CS
This was too long to post to the silver list so here is the link: http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=371376 Comments are welcome.
Re: RE: CSmexican silver from pharmecea
http://www.scorecard.org/chemical-pr..._name=MICRODYN Might be good stuff for hopefully disinfecting questionable drinking water, such as that found in Mexico. It should not be compared with true nano-sized colloidal silver. - Original Message - From: Acmeair To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:42 PM Subject: Re: RE: CSmexican silver from pharmecea yes, sir, thats it. thank you very much! with all the coverage on the mexican situation, i don't recall one reference to microdyn being used to thwart the flu. the drug cartel down there is probably covering up the use there as they are here. are there any members of the list, with friends and acquaintances in mexico, that might know if the public is using any of this stuff to keep healthy thanks again for the info, jim Apr 28, 2009 01:53:21 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: In Mexico, colloidal silver manufactured under the trade name Microdyn, is sold through supermarkets and pharmacies for use in restaurants, hotels, and homes to disinfect water for drinking or washing of food. From: Acmeair [mailto:res00...@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:43 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSmexican silver from pharmecea Apr 28, 2009 06:45:13 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote: many times in the past, we've discussed a product, available at pharmecies, reasonable cost, that one can treat drinking water, and not come down sick. anyone recall the name? seems i recall micro. something. it was a form of silver. thanks, jim -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour progress.gif
CSany interest in CS?
If anyone here still has any interest in CS, there is also a good open discussion of colloidal silver and how to make it here: http://goldismoney.info/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=61
Re: CSShingles Help
I've found this page published by Mike Monett, a fellow electronics engineer active on the colloidal silver list along with myself and several others. He started making his own colloidal silver because of *shingles*. He has some good information on this page, but please do not try to build his generator using 160 volts directly off the mains. It is extremely dangerous, even for use by someone and who is competent with electronics and high voltage. http://silversol.110mb.com/shingles/shingles.htm#constv On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Suzi Q ancientk...@yahoo.com wrote: L-Lysine works well with herpes virus. Shingles is one of the herpes viruses. It works quickly and well and I have no side effects from it. I keep it in my kitties water as a litter was born with herpes (a rescue litter--my kitties are fixed). If I forget for a week or so their eyes become runny. I use it when I get a cold sore or mouth ulceration. Try about 2000mg daily and see if it helps. It is very inexpensive. ** --- On *Sat, 3/21/09, Thora Rasmussen mugg...@cyberlink.bc.ca* wrote: From: Thora Rasmussen mugg...@cyberlink.bc.ca Subject: RE: CSShingles Help To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 8:30 AM One thing I've seen work is staying away from all nuts/seeds and chocolate. It works excellent. I've seen it go from monthly herpes outbreaks to once every 2 years. Apparently, the thing in nuts that keeps them from rotting like a piece of fruit would when left out, it very hard for the body to digest. I have heard that substance called an anti nutrient. -Original Message- From: Teri Kavakos [mailto:t...@welshspringers.comhttp://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=t...@welshspringers.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Subject: CSShingles Help My SIL called and my BIN and niece (28yrs old) both just came down with Shingles. I was thinking Brooks had sent an email once about how to cure this. Wayne or anyone else happened to have saved that post? TIA, Teri -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBuying Silver- Good px
You can get a better price by going directly to www.atlasnova.com Arnold On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Leslie leslie3...@yahoo.com wrote: I bot some off ebay years ago from I believe Arnold and wondering if he was still selling that way. Would like to buy good quality but needs to be a very good price for me now. Thank you all, Leslie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: FW: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
From your website: http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator (Note: 11-21-01) Cleaning with Vinegar and paper towel seems to be enough. Important: BEFORE brewing the next batch, clean both electrodes with a paper towel soaked with pure distilled white vinegar to remove oils and oxides and fingerprints. While still wet with the vinegar, insert the generator into the distilled water in the Mason jar. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo jpmeiss...@yahoo.comwrote: -- *From:* Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:04 AM *To:* 'a...@new.co.za' *Subject:* RE: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones--- Hi: I saw my name mentioned? The purpose of the vinegar is for no reason other than to clean any oxide off the silver. The process works just as well using the dry green scotch bright to clean the rods. At these extremely low voltages even fingerprints will interfere. There is not enough voltage to break through any film. Also dirty, un-pure distilled water will not work. The advantage of all this trouble is that it makes 2 nanometer particles. Also the process self-limits 18 or so PPM without any active current control or mechanical stirring. I have never sold one on this list but I sell lots of them locally. People like them. Jim Meissnerhttp://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator . -- *From:* Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za] *Sent:* Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:01 AM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones--- Hi Arnold, That is interesting about the vinegar / acetate . dunno about insecticide. But what I want to say is that round about 3 volts is what is used in silver plating for stripping silver off smoothly. OK, Tony On 26 Dec 2008 at 18:58, Arnold Beland wrote about : Subject : Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the Hi Marshall, It is interesting to me that you mention silver acetate. There is a member on this list selling a generator using two 1.5 volt batteries for a total of three volts as a Power Supply. I have been pondering how this could possibly work for some time. A careful reading of his instructions for use on his website shows that he instructs the users to clean the rods before using with vinegar and for them to be wet with the vinegar when they are inserted into the distilled water. Could this explain the use of only three volts? Isn't silver acetate used as an insecticide? Best regards, Arnold
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ??___Shaking??
Hello Marshall, Yes, perhaps I should have used the word agglomeration. My theory was that the process was aggregation to the point of the particle size increasing in mass to where brownian motion could no longer keep it in suspension. And of course all I can do and is examine the result of the experiment, being unable to put myself inside the gallon sized container during the shipping from here to Florida and back. But it's a good catch, Marshall, and words do mean things. Best Regards, Arnold On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Arnold Beland wrote: I have found that repeated sharp movement will result in the agglomeration of particles. I have tested this in two ways. I have simulated shipping by using an ultrasonic cleaner which resulted in the very rapid deposition of bits of silver at the bottom. I also sent a gallon to a friend of mine in Florida which is all the way across the country who then reset it to me. Quite a few of the particles had agglomerated it to the point where they were large enough for brownian motion to no longer keep them in suspension. The resulting measurement of total silver by digestion with nitric acid and measurement with my atomic absorption spectrophotometer indicated the loss of about 50% of the silver. Sorry, I don not understand. Aggregation does not reduce total silver content, it only separates it if it precipitates out. Can you clarify? Where did it go? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Hi Marshall, It is interesting to me that you mention silver acetate. There is a member on this list selling a generator using two 1.5 volt batteries for a total of three volts as a Power Supply. I have been pondering how this could possibly work for some time. A careful reading of his instructions for use on his website shows that he instructs the users to clean the rods before using with vinegar and for them to be wet with the vinegar when they are inserted into the distilled water. Could this explain the use of only three volts? Isn't silver acetate used as an insecticide? Best regards, Arnold On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Indi wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:16:18PM -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: For what it is worth Dynamite Solace claims to be Pure Colloidal Silver (200 ppm) in a base of distilled water and electrolytes.. No other info. - Steve N Ah, electrolytes -- silver chloride, probably. That might give one the blues... Cheers, indi Couldn't have been silver chloride at 200 ppm. Silver chloride only has a solubility of around 0.8 ppm. More likely silver citrate, silver acetate, or silver nitrate which all have good solubility. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Hi mike,
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htmmhtml:{07B339EE-C45C-48A7-A01D-012C2E73FA1D}mid://0003/!x-usc:http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htmmhtml:{07B339EE-C45C-48A7-A01D-012C2E73FA1D}mid://0003/!x-usc:http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm
I was thinking about replying to her post but I just didn't know what to
say. As usual, you have done a better job of this than I could do. I'm
having trouble understanding the whole situation. She first mentions some
200 PPM product from the dynamite company called solace. I have trouble
getting past that. She then puts some of this into a quart of distilled
water, supposedly to come up with five PPM. She only gets a red line after
she shakes this concoction. Those must be some humongous size particles.
She even said that they fell to the bottom so she must be able to actually
see them. Now if she made some using the setup that she bought from me I
don't think shaking it would have any effect even in the case of
overcooking, as long as it was properly decanted. I purposely set up the
kit and the illustrated explanation of its use so that users could , if they
wished, make a dark yellow colloidal silver. In years gone by, we would
have regarded this as premium stuff. We have since learned better. But
even the yellow stuff would take an awful lot of shaking before it would
actually settle out. The current involved in the setup is one milliamp,
which is really far too much for a 4 inch piece of wire and quite a bit of
staff will collect on the cathode. Most of the people and who have
purchased this Starter kit and have then graduated to the 1 gallon per day
set up that adheres to the rule of 100 micro amps per square inch. It never
turns yellow but will get stronger the longer time you give it up to 24
hours. Here is a link explaining that.
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=322679mhtml:{07B339EE-C45C-48A7-A01D-012C2E73FA1D}mid://0003/!x-usc:http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=322679
Best Regards,
Arnold
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:
I just wanted to bump this to see if anybody has any other thoughts for
Lois...
Lois,
Welcome to the group!
If you have particles that are settling out, then you're definitely
dealing with something that's not what we've come to consider best.
It's not going to do you any serious harm to use what you have, but I'd
be very concerned about that 200ppm stuff long-term.
As for the product of your generator: I'm not familiar with Abe's
generator setup, but it sounds like he uses series resistors to limit
the current, right? How long does a batch take to make, and what size
batch is it?
Are there fuzzy deposits on one or both electrodes when you're
finished, and do you mix these in? If so, that could be the source of
your settling. General good practice is to remove the electrodes from
the water carefully to avoid dislodging any such deposits and letting
any that do get shaken loose settle.
So, short answer, let it settle out and decant the rest, which should
be predominatly ionic and *small* particle, and safer to use long term.
Any other thoughts, folks? Abe, wanna give us some details of your
generator design so we can comment intelligently about it? grin
Thanks,
Mike D.
I bought some 200ppm from the dynamite co. They call theirs solace. I
mixed 1-half tsp. in distilled h2o to come up with 5ppm. I did about a
quart. It was about 2- 3 weeks ago. {kept in a dark brown bottle in a
cool room in the dark } Just got a bottle out and find that the laser
line is weak---if I turn the bottle a few times the line is dark red.
My question is---Is this safe to use internally or are the silver
particles too large?? { they fell to the bottom.} I have only been
learning about silver and it's uses for a short time have so very much
to learn.
I also got a generator set up from abelandaltasnove.com which
uses 4
9V batteries, a meter with a 33K resistor two 4 9's 4 inch silver
wires. We
made 1 batch, last week. I have noticed that the same thing is
happening , a
light line and then dark when it is mixed..} What did I do wrong,???
Thanks for any help you can give===Lois
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Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ??___Shaking??
I have found that repeated sharp movement will result in the agglomeration of particles. I have tested this in two ways. I have simulated shipping by using an ultrasonic cleaner which resulted in the very rapid deposition of bits of silver at the bottom. I also sent a gallon to a friend of mine in Florida which is all the way across the country who then reset it to me. Quite a few of the particles had agglomerated it to the point where they were large enough for brownian motion to no longer keep them in suspension. The resulting measurement of total silver by digestion with nitric acid and measurement with my atomic absorption spectrophotometer indicated the loss of about 50% of the silver. This finding over two years ago put an end to any plans of mine to actually make and sell colloidal silver. It simply doesn't travel well. Best Regards, Arnold On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Neville nevillem...@bigpond.com wrote: - Original Message - *From:* Arnold Beland abela...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2008 10:07 AM *Subject:* Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones--- Arnold snipped quote: [But even the yellow stuff would take an awful lot of shaking before it would actually settle out.] -Could you expand on this concept a little more for me Arnold, I'm not familiar with this, or is it just an error in phrasing ie; 'shaking to settle out'. Thanks...Neville.
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ??___Shaking??
No, and it is laying on the bottom of the container. All I measured was that which was still in solution. On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: How does that work? What happened to the silver? It doesn't just dissappear... Even if it precipitated out, it should have been digested by the nitric acid and been measured. Dan On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Arnold Beland abela...@gmail.comwrote: I have found that repeated sharp movement will result in the agglomeration of particles. I have tested this in two ways. I have simulated shipping by using an ultrasonic cleaner which resulted in the very rapid deposition of bits of silver at the bottom. I also sent a gallon to a friend of mine in Florida which is all the way across the country who then reset it to me. Quite a few of the particles had agglomerated it to the point where they were large enough for brownian motion to no longer keep them in suspension. The resulting measurement of total silver by digestion with nitric acid and measurement with my atomic absorption spectrophotometer indicated the loss of about 50% of the silver. This finding over two years ago put an end to any plans of mine to actually make and sell colloidal silver. It simply doesn't travel well. Best Regards, Arnold On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Neville nevillem...@bigpond.comwrote: - Original Message - *From:* Arnold Beland abela...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2008 10:07 AM *Subject:* Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones--- Arnold snipped quote: [But even the yellow stuff would take an awful lot of shaking before it would actually settle out.] -Could you expand on this concept a little more for me Arnold, I'm not familiar with this, or is it just an error in phrasing ie; 'shaking to settle out'. Thanks...Neville.
Re: CSFine Silver Wire .9999 silver
Round wire works a lot better. Ions tend to like to leave from any sharp point. This means that at the sharp points the limits of the Nernst diffusion area are exceeded, leading to the generation of relatively large particles. This phenomenon is the reason that you'll find sharp steel needles in any negative ion generator you might run across. Best regards, Arnold On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:51 AM, sms s...@emotap.com wrote: Scuse me. . . but can you use 10 gauge fine silver wire that is round vs. flat? S -Max ---Original Message--- From: Arnold Beland Date: 12/7/2008 3:34:35 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS(LL) Silver thanks--- yes--- a ?? Hi Lois, Just a little heads up on this. Looking at the CC silver website, the only silver wire that they have in 10 gauge is sterling silver which is only 925 and not suitable for making colloidal silver. To my knowledge, the only source of 10 gauge silver wire is atlasnova.com. It also comes with a certificate of analysis which shows it to be 7. Best regards, Arnold -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Silver thanks--- yes--- a ??
Hi Lois,
Just a little heads up on this. Looking at the CC silver website, the only
silver wire that they have in 10 gauge is sterling silver which is only 925
and not suitable for making colloidal silver. To my knowledge, the only
source of 10 gauge silver wire is atlasnova.com. It also comes with a
certificate of analysis which shows it to be 7.
Best regards,
Arnold
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:55 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
*Thanks to all for your replies !! I just ordered some 10 g silver wire
from ccsilver.com. I'm really looking forward to making my first EIS. My
neice's daughter {46 yrs old} is suffering, big time from arthritis I hope
this will help... I guess the old saying from 1 of my professors really
rings true on this site--- The more you know,,,The more you know you don't
know !!! as for not teaching an old dog new tricks Woof woof-This
old dog is learning more and more everydayHere comes another ??? :-) I
bought some 200 ppm used 1/2 tsp. in 8 oz.of distilled water{ which
brought it to 5ppm } for the pups ears. Is it OK to mix 16 oz. and keep it
in a brown bottle for future use ??? I'm not sure if it will loose it's
charge by deluting it that way.. I did mix 32 oz. to get to 5ppm . I hope I
didn't ruin it... Thanks again for all the help Lois*
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Re: CSUltrasonic Stirrer
Steve, Yes, I have tried reducing the amount of ultrasonic action but it didn't do any good. Over the years, I have tried every method of moving the ions more quickly out of the Nernst diffusion area to be able to speed up the process of making colloidal silver with small particles. I even tried a magnetic field that I could rotate. I've found that this was a very good way to make a mirror. Nothing really worked for me. I found that the only reliable way for me to make colloidal silver of the quality that I required was to and to the limit of one hundred micro amps for each square inch of surface area. Even doing this, a great deal depends on the initial purity of the distilled water. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote: Arnold, Did you try deadening or reducing the signal? _ Steve N -- *From:* Arnold Beland [mailto:abela...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:56 AM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSUltrasonic Stirrer I tried this some years ago and ended up with with little black balls of silver at the bottom of the container. The result was no detectable particulate at the end of the process.
Re: CSHow to make 1 gallon a day of perfect CS
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Here are two photos taken almost three weeks after finishing the first
batch. The first photo was taken with the very bright chandelier light on,
showing that the solution had developed no trace of yellow tinge. The
second was with the light off in normal room light, indicating that the
particles were still in solution and had not settled out.
Re: CSUltrasonic Stirrer
I tried this some years ago and ended up with with little black balls of silver at the bottom of the container. The result was no detectable particulate at the end of the process. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote: I currently use the air bubbler method of stirring when making EIS. Magnetic stirring is more complex than I want. I have made them before - about 40 years ago. I am thinking of using the ultrasonic generator from an ultrasonic humidifier as a stirrer. Has anyone tried this and what was your results? Thanks, Steve N
Re: CSHow to make 1 gallon a day of perfect CS
Thank you Dan, for carefully proof-reading this. I will rephrase it. Best regards, Arnold On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.comwrote: You wrote: Note that the voltmeter, which is set on the two-volt range, reads 0.436 volts, which means that our current is 436 Microamps. and The resulting reading we'll be in microamps. Not to confuse the issue, but, actually your meter on the 2 volt scale with the 1000 ohm resistor gives a reading which is equivalent to the current in milliamps, not microamps. You read .436 (volts) which is equivalent to a current of .436 milliamps, which, if we then move the decimal place in our head, is 436 microamps... The direct reading is equivalent to the current in milliamps. Dan -- *From:* Arnold Beland [mailto:abela...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:02 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSHow to make 1 gallon a day of perfect CS Hi Wayne, Thank you for the kind words. The meter in the pictures is a real cheapo. Here is the URL: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=98025 These have a DC current range, but I decided not to use it in the instructions. I find that having a Multimeter left on the current range will invariably lead to a person blowing a fuse , which, in the ELcheapos, would be impossible to find. And I suspect that this does not bother the manufacturers, as they end up selling more of the them. Instead, I use a one K resistor and the two volt range of DC voltage measurement. The resulting reading we'll be in microamps. Best regards, Arnold On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: Evening Richard, At 01:59 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote: bravo ! Did I win the lottery, or Did I win the Bull Fight ? Or maybe I found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? Wayne Some people tell me, I have lost my mind. I tell them, Get the Chess Board, and sit down on the other side. Maybe I can find it, ... worry about yours. == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHow to make 1 gallon a day of perfect CS
Thank you Dan, four carefully proof-reading this. I will rephrase it. Best regards, Arnold On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Arnold Beland abela...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Dan, for carefully proof-reading this. I will rephrase it. Best regards, Arnold On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.comwrote: You wrote: Note that the voltmeter, which is set on the two-volt range, reads 0.436 volts, which means that our current is 436 Microamps. and The resulting reading we'll be in microamps. Not to confuse the issue, but, actually your meter on the 2 volt scale with the 1000 ohm resistor gives a reading which is equivalent to the current in milliamps, not microamps. You read .436 (volts) which is equivalent to a current of .436 milliamps, which, if we then move the decimal place in our head, is 436 microamps... The direct reading is equivalent to the current in milliamps. Dan -- *From:* Arnold Beland [mailto:abela...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2008 4:02 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSHow to make 1 gallon a day of perfect CS Hi Wayne, Thank you for the kind words. The meter in the pictures is a real cheapo. Here is the URL: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=98025 These have a DC current range, but I decided not to use it in the instructions. I find that having a Multimeter left on the current range will invariably lead to a person blowing a fuse , which, in the ELcheapos, would be impossible to find. And I suspect that this does not bother the manufacturers, as they end up selling more of the them. Instead, I use a one K resistor and the two volt range of DC voltage measurement. The resulting reading we'll be in microamps. Best regards, Arnold On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: Evening Richard, At 01:59 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote: bravo ! Did I win the lottery, or Did I win the Bull Fight ? Or maybe I found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? Wayne Some people tell me, I have lost my mind. I tell them, Get the Chess Board, and sit down on the other side. Maybe I can find it, ... worry about yours. == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHow to make 1 gallon a day of perfect CS
http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/csk3-46.JPG http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/csk3-47.JPG Here are two photos taken almost three weeks after finishing the first batch. The first photo was taken with the very bright chandelier light on, showing that the solution had developed no trace of yellow tinge. The second was with the light off in normal room light, indicating that the particles were still in solution and had not settled out.
CSHow to make 1 gallon a day of perfect CS
Using two 1 ounce pieces of 10 gauge silver wire.
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Here you can see me pouring a gallon of Wal-Mart distilled water into the
1-gallon container. These jars are available at many stores. It is
possible to use a jar that has contained an item such as pickles. If you
are going to do this, you must be prepared to clean the jar very
thoroughly. I have tried doing this with a jar that contained pickles. It
took many cycles through the dishwasher and a great deal of time allowing
pure water to stand in the container. You would be better off simply buying
a new container. Note that the Multimeter reads zero voltage at this time.
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We have filled the jar with distilled water. Note that the voltmeter, which
is set on the two-volt range, reads 0.436 volts, which means that our
current is 436 Microamps. This gives us a good indication of the purity of
the distilled water. This initial conductivity is related to ions already
in the distilled water. Most of these will simply be oxygen and carbon
dioxide. If the initial reading is much higher than this, it is an
indication that the distilled water is not of sufficient quality to make
good colloidal silver.
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In this picture, we can see that the current has increased by nine Microamps
in a matter of two minutes.
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At this time, the current has increased to the point where the meter reads
581 Microamps. It is time to go to bed and let the process continue.
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As you can see it is now almost 8:30 AM the next day. I had draped a
dishcloth over the top of the jar to eliminate any possibility of dust
settling in. Note that the voltage rating has increased to 746 micro amps.
This current is now being carried by silver ions themselves. We will now
simply let the process continue.
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At this time, I am using one of my green laser pointers to test for particle
content. Our eyes are 50 times as sensitive to green laser light as they
are to the red laser light. Using a green laser pointer at this time
enables me to see that particles are forming, although there are too few to
be seen with a red laser.
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Here is a red laser pointer being used at the same time. You can see that
the beam is present, but much fainter.
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Here is a picture using both the green and the red laser at 5:30 pm. You
can see that the red laser is almost as bright as the green at this time.
This is because there are a great many more particles scattering the laser
energy. We are almost done.
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Here is the red laser pointer being used without the green. The room light
has been turned off.
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Here is the red laser pointer being used at this time with the room lights
fully on. You can see the laser beam, but it is faint.
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Here you can see just how bright the lights are with the dining room
chandelier turned on.
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Here we are 24 hours after the start of our process. You can see that the
red laser beam is visible even in this very bright light environment. We
have now made colloidal silver with the strength
Re: CSHow to make 1 gallon a day of perfect CS
Hi Wayne, Thank you for the kind words. The meter in the pictures is a real cheapo. Here is the URL: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=98025 These have a DC current range, but I decided not to use it in the instructions. I find that having a Multimeter left on the current range will invariably lead to a person blowing a fuse , which, in the ELcheapos, would be impossible to find. And I suspect that this does not bother the manufacturers, as they end up selling more of the them. Instead, I use a one K resistor and the two volt range of DC voltage measurement. The resulting reading we'll be in microamps. Best regards, Arnold On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: Evening Richard, At 01:59 PM 11/16/2008, you wrote: bravo ! Did I win the lottery, or Did I win the Bull Fight ? Or maybe I found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? Wayne Some people tell me, I have lost my mind. I tell them, Get the Chess Board, and sit down on the other side. Maybe I can find it, ... worry about yours. == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCruelty, World History
Hi Mike, And I'm getting your e-mails but none from the list. Any ideas? Best regards, Arnold - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Re: CSCruelty, World History And on that note, please end this discussion of politically charged subjects, such as firearms, hunting, animal rights, etcetera! Don't reply again to these topics. Don't comment if other people comment before seeing this post. Thank you folks. Mike D. At 09:43 AM 10/24/2008, you wrote: Ode, if you start talking about rifles, unless they shoot straight cs I will have to not read your emails. Please don't force me. Faith g. I doubt that Ode cares, or would change his ways and thinking for you, me or anyone else. Frankly, I like him just the way he is. Maybe you need to move to Switzerland or Australia. Can you imagine a pile that big ? 600,000 Despite the fact that over 600,000 full automatic rifles are in the hands of Swiss citizens, and yet they still have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world. ( this has now changed a bit ) Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: [ Re: CSnew member-water oz
Have your son look at the information provided at: www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm He can make his own colloidal silver and in doing so he can learn about volts and ohms and amps, plus a bit of chemistry. If he masters this and understands the process, he will also have the start of a great science fair project. Do they still have science fairs? If he needs help with any part of this I will be happy to answer his questions via e-mail and by asking questions he will help me in my effort to explain the process. - Original Message - From: Kathy vano...@mrtc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [ Re: CSnew member-water oz Thanks to everyone for your replies. You know he really doesn't eat much meat at all - maybe a hamburger every once in awhile-he is 13 so he still asks for McDs now and then. He does consume his fair share of dairy though. He drinks milk at school everyday. I think his football equipment may be part of the problem but not all because he had this before he started playing. Sweating does make it worse. Going to try to buy a CS gen but cannot spend $145 right now. Need info on making one here myself for now. Kathy - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [ Re: CSnew member-water oz I'd be more inclined to think it caused by milk and dairy products than meat. In some people acne can be caused by excess of iodine. http://www.zerozits.com/Articles/guesswho.htm sol Indi wrote: Meat eating can cause really bad acne in teens sometimes. I have seen very bad acne completely vanish on a vegetarian diet -- though I know many people would probably rather have the acne, but I think just giving up red meat may make a big difference. Also junk food, steroids, or stimulants can cause acne. On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 02:52:20AM -0400, Kathy wrote: As far as my son's acne. This really has me baffled. He never had anything at all until last summer when he got a really bad sunburn. It started about a month later and we have battled it ever since. The Dr. of course gave him strong anti-biotics and also a topical one - neither did anything. We have tried several essential oils, lotions, aloe, etc. We have tried different vitamins and herbs and as I mentioned previously bentonite clay. I am not sure if it actually a infection although the bumps look like small boils. Some of them get pretty big- maybe almost as big as a dime but not quite. He probably has 80-100 on his back and chest now. I am watching his diet but may be missing the culprit due to school lunches. He is pretty active these days he plays football (unbeaten right now 14-0) I did notice the other night after a game he was extremely sweaty and his face was broke out twice as bad as it was before the game. That really puzzled me. I guess maybe I will just use the Water Oz stuff topically on him or maybe mix with clay. Maybe it would be best used as a household cleaning solution. lol So I am anxious to hear what others here think and to learn more about CS in general. Kathy - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:14 AM Subject: Re: CSnew member-water oz Hi and welcome, Kathy! I bet you'll get some info on CS, as well as a few other suggestions of how to help your son's body get over the acne problem. The actual definition of Colloidal Silver in practice is a slippery thing. Those words have been applied to many products made in different ways and with different characteristics; everything from chemical precipitates to protein suspensions to concentrated silver salts have been named and mis-named as CS. What we like to call CS would be: Pure silver in pure water with no additives. Not a silver salt or other compound. Modest concentrations of maybe 5 to 20 ppm. Usually mostly ionic, monoatomic or dissolved silver, with some particulate silver. Most often made by an electrolytic process. Usually clear, colorless, with a faint tyndall effect (that makes a laser beam shown through it visible). Water Oz is not forthcoming in saying exactly what their silver product is or how it's made. The analysis by other people I remember reading about pegged it as a silver salt. It is one commercial product that has been associated with several cases of argyria in people who used larger doses than are recommended by the manufacturer. If you haven't already heard of it, argyria is a blue/grey discoloration of the skin or other tissues which is cosmetically objectionable but appears to have no other health effect. In severe cases it is seriously disfiguring, although mild cases have been reported that did not seem to interfere with the person's normal activities. It was long thought to be irreversible, but at least a couple of approaches have been
CSprofit motive
Mike D. writes: Blanket statements that particulate is good and ionic is bad are likely as incomplete and inaccurate as their opposite numbers. Their genesis is invariably the profit motive.
Re: CSColloidal silver generator ?
It does seem that not very much is offered for sixty dollars. I can't really see a current imiting device in the illustration. The electrodes our only 4 inches in length and they do not mention and what gauge silver wire they are using. If a person is willing to spend a mental effort rather than simply forking over money they might have a look at the following effort on my own part: http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm I have tried to provide the guidance which I believe to be necessary for people to follow in order to make the best colloidal silver possible on their own. If you are not overwhelmed by the complexity, which could well be because of my inability to simplify the process sufficiently, then you should probably go for a fully automatic unit. I would say that the silver puppy represents the best value for such a device. Ken is an honest person and has been a invaluable contributor to the CS list for many years. If you decide to order the kit from Atlasnova and spend sometime experimenting with the process, you will become competent to expand the production of colloidal silver to as many gallons as you wish. This would then entail the purchase of a proper Power Supply, choosing a different value current limiting resistor and a greater amount of silver wire. Have a look and decide for yourself. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com To: john_smith...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: RE: CSColloidal silver generator ? Did anyone respond to this post? I wouldn't pay $60 for that generator. Ya, it will work, but it is absolutely basic and you will have to babysit constantly, and not get the best product that we know how to make. For almost (just) twice as much you can buy the full featured SilverPuppy with all the bells and whistles! Look into that, it is worth the investment. Dan -Original Message- From: Jeffery Burke [mailto:john_smith...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColloidal silver generator ? I was thinking of buying a colloidal silver generator online, and trying to make my own product for myself.Since it is so expensive!!! My question is can I make it safe at home with a inexpensive set-up of 2 leads with a 9 volt battery and 2 rods in distilled water??? Will the quality and particle size be just as good as store bought preparations.Or will I need buy a real expensive machine to make the quality I'm looking for?That costs hundreds of $$$. I read that the particle size has to be real small and the dilution has to be around 10 ppm to be safe and effective to take? I will post the link to the one I would like to buy. thx's http://www.elixa.com/silver/MiniCS.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbrewing question - and Rule of Thumb for CS Concentration
Nice post Dan, You have a knack for simplifying the process of making colloidal silver. When I attempt to do this I seem to be a unable to resist referring to Faraday equations and so on. I would like very much to include your explanation on my web page. http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm With attribution, of course. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: RE: CSbrewing question - and Rule of Thumb for CS Concentration I use a Rule of Thumb for estimating the maximum concentration of CS that you can produce. This is for a 1 cup volume, if you are making a pint (2 cups) it takes twice as long. If your current is 2 milliamps instead of 1 milliamp, it will take half as long, etc. You can use simple math like you use for doubling or halving a recipe for cooking, etc. Silver deposition into the water is directly proportional to the current - more current gives more silver in the water. Current can be affected by the surface area of the electrode - more area gives more current. the spacing of the electrodes - closer electrodes gives more current. the conductivity of the water - very pure distilled water will give low current, but it will increase as you make more CS. - warmer water will be more conductive. Concentration of CS (ppm) is equal to the amount of silver per volume of water. ppm is milligrams of silver per liter of water. Also, some CS generators limit current, not letting it go over a set amount, and some do not, in which case the silver is produced faster and faster as you brew. My Rule of Thumb states: The maximum concentration for 1 cup of CS made at 1 milliamp for one hour would be 17ppm. This assumes that the current is at 1 ma from start to finish of the hour. (If it took 1 hour for the current to go from zero to 1 ma then the concentration would be approximately half (8.5ppm) for that hour, assuming that the current increase is reasonably linear at this stage.) These values are approximate and indicate the *maximum* concentration you can get. Your effective CS concentration will be somewhat less. Using this value you can quickly get a rough estimate of your (max) CS concentration by figuring out the number of cups in your jar, the run time in hours, and the current in milliamps. Dan -Original Message- From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:27 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSbrewing question I understand why I have to have the electrodes at least 1 and a half inches apart and also understand that closer together will make a brew quicker, but probably less ppm. Can anyone tell me how some generators take seven or eight hours to make CS but others claim they make theirs in three hours or so? This is a quart quantity. Would that mean that their ppm is less? and how is this achieved. Many thanks. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhackos
Hi Mike, Consider that many of us may simply be taking all this way too seriously. Consider that here in the good old USA we have a lot of people with more time on their hands than they know what to do with. We have given them the ability to communicate with us on forums such as the CS list without any requirement as to their level of knowledge or they're intent. As is the case with most paradigm shifts, a mixed blessing. I think, at least I hold, that most of the wacko contingent are simply amusing themselves. If the percentage of wackos truly represented a real percentage of the American public we would be in big trouble in this country. Why not simply use the create rule from message function of your mail program to automatically remove the posts of those who have shown themselves to be of no value. My current count is 94. The only way that I see postings from these people is when they are quoted by others. A good example is a recent posting by Stephen Foss who made a very cogent and well researched post about efforts to ban colloidal silver. He was immediately scourged by a poster on my ignore list. I can think of a great many people who have come on the list with the best of intentions and considerable personal ability who, after encountering some of these spoilers, have left, never to return. It is not necessary, nor is it advisable, to respond to anyone with a keyboard. As always with great regard, Arnold - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: Re: CS08-09 Flu Vaccines are in, Come and Get Em!! Hi Kurt, Remember that there are folks who are annoyed by your postings. *I* want those folks to hang around and continue to support the list. So I am asking you to take on a lower profile, somewhat conciliatory posture so that maybe we can get them to at least willingly tolerate your input to the group. So pointed remarks telling folks to not be offended and not read your post if they're not open minded enough... blah blah, or a perky Thank you Dee! every time she posts her fan-girl praises, are just rubbing people's noses in the fact I haven't exiled *all* of your political posting to the OT list, which is, of course, what they want me to do, after all... You celebrating victory all over the place is hardly the best way to encourage acceptance of my decision, is it? And if that's *not* what you're trying to do, it's probably good for you to know that's how it's coming across, okay? This is an experiment to see if you can mold yourself to this environment and even get to the point of appealing to those folks who might not agree with you now. As I've been encouraging you all along, I want you to dive deep for a little bit so the resentment dies down and they can consider the messages you do post without the sense of annoyance spawned over recent events. That means giving them a day or two off between posts. That also means delivering your messages soberly and without resentful barbs. I think it also means not thanking every person who says an approving thing about you. Lastly, as a matter of etiquette, it's generally poor manners to clutter the list up with one-line responses all the time. I should probably remind Dee of that as well, but I'm not sure she's constitutionally able to stifle that reflex. grin I tend to ignore the issue myself, until something like this makes itself obvious. Anyway, let's keep trying. Consider this feedback and fine-tuning, please, and work on it. Be well, Mike D. Thanks Dee! dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: good post Kurt! dee [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSScary stuff from the EPA
Steve's post led me to do a bit of research in this area. Have a look at this: http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-PEST/2007/September/Day-21/p18591.htm I am beginning to feel lucky that all been doing is selling 7 silver wire (presumably to be used in manufacturing jewelry). This is really nothing to laugh about. Our government has become so large and powerful that it can do whatever it wants.
Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables
David, Why not simply set up your mail system so that his posts will be automatically deleted? - Original Message - From: David Bearrow chip...@verizon.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Re: CSFDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables I'm seriously considering unsubscribing from this list due to paranoid delusionary posts such as this one which have nothing to do with the topic of colloidal silver. Its not even cleverly done by offering cs as an alternative antibacterial spray. This post is about manipulating emotion. It states a bunch of hypothesis as facts and offers nothing to back it up. This post is typical of kmilkowski's posts. Paranoid conspiracy off topic posts which divide the list and lead to more off topic posting. Its terribly distracting and its going to drive me away. David At 11:56 AM 8/22/2008, you wrote: FDA Unleashes Mass Irradiation of Spinach, Lettuce and Other Vegetables Mike Adams, Aug 22, 2008 The FDA has announced that beginning today, spinach and lettuce sold across the United States may now be secretly irradiated before it reaches grocery store shelves. What's secret about it? The FDA previously decided that irradiation warning stickers would not be required on any food items because it would be too confusing to consumers. (The word IRRADIATION apparently has too many letters to be understood to food buyers.) Thus, irradiated foods will not be labeled as such, and consumers are going to be left in the dark about all this (except for those who actually eat the irradiated food, in which case they will glow in the dark). The FDA, of course, insists that the levels of irradiation used to kill e.coli will have no effect whatsoever on the nutritional value of the food. This astonishing statement comes from an agency that doesn't believe food has any nutritional value in the first place, so lowering the value to zero by destroying all the phytonutrients does not, in the opinion of the FDA, alter its nutritional value at all. Thus, destroying all the anti-cancer nutrients in a head of broccoli merely brings that broccoli into compliance as a non-functional food, according to the FDA. Radiation, of course, destroys delicate phytochemicals in plants -- the very phytochemicals protecting consumers against cancer, heart disease, high cholesterol, inflammation and other diseases. Microwaving broccoli, for example, destroys up to 98% of its anti-cancer nutrients. (The FDA has not yet acknowledged this scientific fact, either.) In a similar way, irradiating food destroys much of its nutritional content, including vitamins, carotenoids, anthocyanins and other delicate protective nutrients that are right now providing the last, desperate nutritional defense against the American diet of meat, milk, fried foods and processed junk. Irradiating fresh produce will leave the U.S. Population is a state of extreme deficiency in protective plant-based nutrients. Does the FDA plan to destroy the health of the U.S. Population? Many people suspect that's what the FDA really wants. A nutritionally-deficient, disease-ridden population would mean a windfall of profits for the FDA's buddies in Big Pharma -- the folks who sell patented medications at monopoly prices. With the food supply destroyed by radiation, ordinary people would have virtually no remaining sources of protective phytonutrients! In promoting this food radiation policy, the FDA has accomplished what all the terrorists in the world could not: The mass irradiation of the U.S. Food supply -- much like setting off a dirty bomb over the nation's farms (but with less radiation). This destruction of the nutritional value of the food supply is a far greater threat to the health of the U.S. Population than any terrorist event, including 9/11. And yet it is being done by our own people, TO our own people, by a lawless agency that answers to no one. FDA officials are not voted into office by the People; they are appointed by politicians. They answer to no one, they refuse to follow federal law, and they operate as tyrants over a quarter of the U.S. Economy. And now they have taken it upon themselves to destroy the national food supply. We should be more than just alarmed -- we should be outraged! The FDA has committed an act of war against the People. With this decision, the FDA has firmly positioned itself as an enemy of the People, and a bringer of death and disease to the nation. Why are our elected representatives in Washington allowing this madness? Think about this: If the FDA has its way: Â. All your food will be irradiated, pasteurized or killed Â. All your children will be vaccinated Â. All your medicine will be based on pharmaceuticals Â. All your free speech about health will be suppressed Â. All informative labeling on food and supplements will be outlawed Â. Growing and selling
Re: CS[List Owner] Topic trimming time...
Hi Mike, As one of my Grandsons would say of the other: Yeh, but He started it. !!! Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: CS[List Owner] Topic trimming time... Hi folks, Thank you for carrying on reasonably well while I was distracted for some days here... I'd like us to end the following threads and related off topic discussions, please: Vaccines and autism Dental mercury Understanding food irradiation Take A Look At This! (cell-phone popcorn) Also, now that the several vendors (Arnold, Jim) have had a chance to talk about their own and each other's wares, I'd appreciate if that discussion ends, as well. You've been well behaved thus far, gents. Thank you! Faith, Dan, others, thanks for ending the exchange that was starting to infest the info about the best generator thread with snarkiness... And everyone, thanks for welcoming and taking time to work with Mary Ellen. That's what we're here for. Mary Ellen, welcome aboard. Keep plugging away, ma'am. A lot of folks have brought themselves back to health. Be well! Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
Apart from turning people blue, they also charge twice as much for 12 gauge 999 as I do for 12 gauge . Great salesmanship though. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Sam L. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Faith. I wouldnt be recommending this CS generator. Heres a quote from there web page. ( Therefore, if you want a good high-quality concentration of 10 ppm, you just leave the generator running for about 10 minutes. If you want a stronger concentration of 20 ppm, you leave the generator running for about 20 minutes. You can even make highly concentrated batches of colloidal silver, in the 100 to 500 ppm range, by letting the generator run longer. ) Obviusly they are using salt water instead of distilled water and even show a bag of salt next to there generator. Just a word to the wise. Sam L. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Faith Gagne jitte...@gis.net wrote: Or check out this selection of generators: http://www.thesilveredge.com/gen.shtml Faith G. - Original Message - From: Carol Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial http://www.silverpuppy.com/ Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn On Jun 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Jim Meissner yahoo wrote: Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html -- A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have. Google Ron Paul
Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
LOL Wow, what a deal!!! If anyone wants a ready made solution for under $200, why not get a generator from Ken at http://silverpuppy.com/. It has some real guts and is sold by someone who has forgotten more about this stuff than must of us will ever know. As long as we are into blatant self-promotion, free plans and theory for a constant polarity machine can be found at http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm and all the parts and equipment are available for $29.99. http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Jim Meissner yahoo jpmeiss...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:27 PM Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Bob: Thank you, you are right, the link does not work. I will email my web guy. The generator consists of a battery box, two AA batteries, one 4.7 K ohm resistor and two # 12 AWG .999 silver wires and a Teflon sleeve. It takes about an hour to make. Total manufacturing cost is less than $50. For a while I was selling plans for $10 for people to make their own. No one has bought the plans. I have sold quite a few of generators. I have plans and instruction of how to make lots of things on my EnergyPulser yahoo group but the interesting thing is that only 1 out of 100 are actually able build something. Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: bob Larson [mailto:bobl...@cablespeed.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial ...at that page, the link to see a pic of the generator doesn't work. i want to see inside the box of a 3vdc constant polarity machine to see what's costing $200. EIS/CS forms silver ions in solution which are single atoms of silver... but they're not metallic particles until they happen to get together. the particulate portion of EIS/CS varies in particle size, some of them surely being as small as is possible, but they tend to grow over time eventually falling out. so then we come back to which works, particles or ions? or which works best? again again, ad nauseum. -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Dear Mary Ellen: Click on the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator No, not all generators are alike. There are no generators that will produce a particle the size of an atom. Frank Key, has developed a method that produces the smallest particle possible and that is a group of atoms about .75 nanometers in size. He has done some research that says that the smaller particle means more surface area and best effects. Mesosilver page: http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver.htm Jim Meissner www.MeissnerResearch.com -Original Message- From: Mary Ellen Murphy [mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Can some one please tell me which is the best generator to make colloidal silver and does the particle size matter. I was told that it did not and a lot of people do not know what I am talking about and saY that an atom is a as small as you can get and that's what they all do. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Jim Meissner yahoo [mailto:jpmeiss...@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:50 AM To: Silver-List@Eskimo.Com Subject: FW: CSDesperately need help with Lyme Dear Mike: I have not been reading the CS group for quite a while, but Carol alerted me to the Lyme discussion going on. A long story very short, Carol got bitten by a tick and proved to be a willing test subject to help me design a new way of treating Lyme disease. Take a look at the link http://meissnerresearch.com/products/dougplus . Carol is a great researcher and found that Lyme will mimic 200 other diseases. We discovered that Carol has been suffering from Lyme for over 14 years and was being treated for a variety of illnesses. It took about 6 months of daily treatments with the DougPlus for Carol to feel like she was 90% recovered and possibly one year to be 100%. During that time she was consuming 32 ounces of colloidal silver every day for 3 or 4 months. She found that when she dropped back to a lower dosage, her herx, fever and chills, would get worse. Please note this high dosage should only be done with well made colloidal silver http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator containing only nano size particles. My generator was tested by Frank Key who makes the smallest possible particles of 0.75 nanometer as found in MesoSilver. Anyway I would like to ask if it would be OK to post the DougPlus link on your CS group? Jim Meissner
Re: CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please
You will doubtless find many pseudo scientific claims. The source of which will be people with an underdeveloped conscience out for a quick buck. Here is a legitimate source of general information about colloidal silver: http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/6918...linicalSummary Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: craehow...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: CSCS: Molecula Silver .. comments please After reading the post regarding the cancer free newsletter post and reading comment regarding molecular silver I went and google molecular silver.. lots of people selling and reports how it was 1 millionth the size of our Colloidal Silver. Then one site reported their concern with the ration of silver to nitrates. So now that I'm thoroughly confused I turn to the group for a more informed search for input. Has anyone know of someone who has used it with great results? or, are you using it. Not sure how the nitrates play a part, or if this was negative information just thrown in. If it does what the positive input is saying that would be great... just not sure what to believe. any comments? connie _ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online.
Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
Please note that they are talking about Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, which relate to the original post concerning the lastest form of snake oil, not what we make here. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat Common Name Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Proteins, Colloidal Silver Water top Clinical Summary Colloidal silver consists of silver particles suspended in a liquid. It is often produced by home-made generators. The use of silver medicinals to treat disorders such as epilepsy, gonorrhea, and colds was not uncommon until the mid-20th century. However, silver was replaced by safer therapies in the recent decades. While silver compounds are still used in external preparations as antiseptics, there has been a growing interest in using the collodial form of silver orally as an alternative medicine. Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Silver is not an essential mineral and does not serve any physiological function in the body. It actually denatures proteins by binding to their reactive groups. It can inactivate some enzymes by forming hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups of the enzymes (1). Silver when taken orally can interact with and reduce the effectiveness of tetracycline, quinolone, and penicillamine. Long term use can cause silver deposition in the skin and mucous membranes leading to an irreversible condition called argyria, characterized by bluish-gray to gray-black pigmentation (2) (3). Other adverse effects include seizures (6) and kidney damage. Pregnant women should not consume colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Purported uses * AIDS * Cancer treatment * Diabetes * Immunostimulation * Infections top Constituents * Silver particles suspended in liquid. top Mechanism of Action Silver is unstable in suspension form and can bind to proteins. Silver compounds form hemisilver sulfides with sulfhydryl groups that leads to inactivation of enzymes. Silver also has the ability to bind amino, carboxyl, phosphate and imidazole groups (1). Studies have shown that silver accumulates in rat liver and binds with various tissues and basal membranes. It also affects the activities of lactate dehydrogenase and glutathione peroxidase and the peroxidation of membrane lipids (4). top Pharmacokinetics Approximately 10% of silver salts may be absorbed following ingestion, with increased absorption from ruptured mucus membranes and skin wounds. The half-life varies from several days to months but silver deposited in the skin has a much longer half-life. It is excreted into the bile and eliminated in the feces (1). top Warnings The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) declared that all over-the-counter drugs containing colloidal silver are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded (7). The FDA has also recently issued letters to website operators of colloidal silver warning them that it is illegal to promote such products online (8). top Contraindications Pregnant women should not use colloidal silver as it can cause developmental abnormalities in the fetus (1). top Adverse Reactions Reported (Oral): Accumulation of silver in the body causes argyria, a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is untreatable. Other effects include seizures and kidney damage. Reported (Topical): Topical use of silver nitrate for burns may cause methemoglobinemia. Exposure to high concentrations of silver, such as in an industrial setting, leads to systemic toxicity (1) (5). top Herb-Drug Interactions * Antibiotics: Colloidal silver can reduce the bioavailability of antibiotics such as tetracycline and quinolone. * Penicillamine: Colloidal silver can reduce the effectiveness of drugs such as penicillamine by binding to the drug. top Literature Summary and Critique No human studies have been conducted to test the medicinal effects of colloidal silver. There are a few case reports on its toxicity. McKenna JK, et al Argyria associated with colloidal silver supplementation. Int J Dermatol 2003; 42(7):549. A 65-year old male developed skin discoloration but had no other symptoms. He had consumed colloidal silver supplements for two years for treatment
Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please
Gene writes, Of course there is no clinical data, what Big Pharma company would spend the money to do clinical studies when they could not patent the product and make money off of it? This says nothing about the effectiveness of CS. No one on this list wants to spend the money to collect clinical data, so there is no data. There is simply no mechanism to support the expense of a thorough investigation into the effectiveness or lack thereof as a method of dealing with various bacteria, viruses or fungi. It is extremely easy for anyone to make colloidal silver, which is eighty percent Ionic and fifteen to twenty percent particulate. It is also a fact that it does not lend itself to shipment and storage after being made. The particles are held in suspension by Brownian motion and the Ionic portion exists in solution due to a mutually repulsive electrical charge of individual atoms. Vibration or external stimulus including photons tends to cause these particles to agglomerate and fall out of solution. All that being said, it is still a very useful product. We will probably never know precisely why it works as it does as there is simply no money in it. And money, after all, is what makes the world go round. And what would anyone expect from a mainline medical establishment? If you are ever so unfortunate as to have a serious illness that chug-a lugging CS doesn't fix, you might be grateful they exist. The FDA is a branch of Big Pharma If this were true I doubt that our toddlers would now be chewing on lead painted toys from China. The information from this list is much more valuable. We can certainly agree on that. One of the most useful functions of the list is the de-bunking of items such as Molecula Silver, that is supposed to be smaller than a single atom, LOL. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Gene Wolfe To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: Re: CSMolecula Silver .. comments please And what would anyone expect from a mainline medical establishment? The key to this statement is: Although no human clinical data support the use of oral colloidal silver, it is being promoted as a cure for AIDS, cancer, and diabetes. Of course there is no clinical data, what Big Pharma company would spend the money to do clinical studies when they could not patent the product and make money off of it? This says nothing about the effectiveness of CS. No one on this list wants to spend the money to collect clinical data, so there is no data. The FDA is a branch of Big Pharma, so they are not going to say anything good about CS. And the examples tell nothing about what the CS product was that they site. The information from this list is much more valuable. Gene At 06:13 PM 5/18/2008, you wrote: The link you sent said not found. This is what I found at Sloan-Kettering ( http://www.mskcc.org/mskcc/html/69189.cfm ) , not exactly what I wanted to hear. Pat
Re: CShow to make CS
Have a look at the instuctions at: http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm - Original Message - From: bob Larson bobl...@cablespeed.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: CShow to make CS 1. first you need to get about 100 pounds of pure silver Canadian maple leaf coins for something to work with, and a generator capable of producing 60,000 volts. a tesla coil will do. and maybe some rubber gloves. 2. then read up around the web on the subject for awhile so you can ask more specific questions which might generate discussion of interest to more folks than just you, so folks here won't be expected to spoon-feed you the whole deal to the boredom of the rest. there'll probably be some folks posting some good links for you to follow to get you up to speed with the rudiments. basically, it's simple and easy... once you get those coins and generator together. after that it's a matter of refining things to make better/faster CS. -Original Message- From: patricia beja [mailto:beja8...@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCs containing nickel??? Can anyone tell me how to go about making colloidal silver solution. Patricia -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTyndall Effect with no silver particles at all
Hi Marshall, Please review the following article. It will explain why 650nm coherent laser radiation collimated to a beam width of one mm will scatter isotropic in the presence of large numbers of small particles, http://www.erpt.org/032Q/Wedd-01.pdf Here is another explaining how this effect is utilized in making particle size analyzers work. http://www.microtrac.com/laserdiffraction.cfm Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: Arnold Beland abela...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:48 PM Subject: Re: CSTyndall Effect with no silver particles at all Arnold Beland wrote: It is possible to observe the Tyndall Effect with no silver particles at all. Here is a good explanation of this.: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic.../blue_sky.html http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html A decent red laser pointer at exactly 650nm and constant power output regardless of battery condition is far more reliable. They are available on ebay for as little as $9.00. Stay away from any made in China. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com http://www.atlasnova.com True for blue, which is why the sky is blue, but not for red, which is too long a wavelength for significant scattering with small to medium sized molecules. Tyndall effect has nothing to do with silver, it has to do with scattering by particles approximately the size of the wavelength of light being scattered and larger. Marshall
CSTyndall Effect with no silver particles at all
It is possible to observe the Tyndall Effect with no silver particles at all. Here is a good explanation of this.: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic.../blue_sky.html A decent red laser pointer at exactly 650nm and constant power output regardless of battery condition is far more reliable. They are available on ebay for as little as $9.00. Stay away from any made in China. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com progress.gif
Re: CSCS - INFO and intro newbie
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm - Original Message - From: ~ Joanne ~ To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: CSCS - INFO and intro newbie Hi there, I am very new to the list and just started making my own CS. I live in Canada and laws here are a lot more strict regarding CScan still buy it in stores we just can't make any health claims and some sites have been shut down. Does anyone have any info on CS that they can share with me please and thank you. Joanne
Re: CSQuestion: Collodial Silver and Strep Throat
Connie, Gargling with warm salt water fixed mine. CS had no effect. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: craehow...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:26 AM Subject: CSQuestion: Collodial Silver and Strep Throat I believe I have strep as I have all the same symptoms that I associate with it. Each time this has occurred I have increase my intake of Collodial Silver. I do believe that the Collodial Silver helps in some way but it never seems to work an the burning painful sore throat. This time I have been on the MMS (15 drops 4x day) and Collodial Silver I believe that it may decrease the length of time, but again the burning throat continues.. I bought a squeeze lemon and spray it on the back of the throat and also hot and really spicey broth soup is helpful. Is Strep immune to the collodial silver? Or am I not using the right method for it to help. thanks connie _ Click to compare psych/counseling degrees in a free directory of programs.
Re: CSfinger pointers
Ode, An old Roman dude summed all this up. Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Titus Petronius Arbiter (d. 66). The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived! Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: Re: CSfinger pointers Black and white, it just isn't. You can use all the herbs you want...even weed, even though it's illegal. The Mob was a result of demand and laws against supplying it. The people created the mob AND the laws with that demand and what satisfying that desire does. I've watched loved ones kill themselves slow with booze and suck 100s of thousands out of the public till in the process, but that's not black and white either. FDA approved drugs have killed more Americans than the Vietnam war? What bullshit.Compare that number to those who wouldn't be alive without them. Go ahead, dig it up and look. Think it through. You might as well say that Hospitals kill 90% of all people who die, never mind that only those about to die go there and 10% just don't live long enough to arrive. Otherwise, hospitals would kill 100% of all the dead people, eventually. Sure the system has problems, sure business wants to maximize profits..not just the Pharma but every Tom, Dick and Harry that will sell you anything you'll buy for as much as you'll pay. Put THOSE guys in charge of honesty and accurate info! That'll work? ..and TV preachers actually give all that money to God. The internet is the free market for information and 80% is total BS and Hype. Without the FDA and FTC what would it ALL be like? No food labeling at all, not just limited and warped, but total lies if anything at all anyone can promote anything as a cure and scare the heck out of you with chemtrails so you'll flock to their stores as you refuse to learn anything about clouds, water, weather and combustion principles. Just look around at all the complete HOOEY there **IS**, vacuuming pocket lint out of the the anti-faithful fools and then take stock about control. [They are LOSING it, big time...buried in an AVALANCHE of marketing bullshit with only the ability to focus on the *most* potentially harmful. ] Total control my eye. You can see liars selling everything imaginable from Q Ray bracelets to detoxing foot pads that do nothing but make your feet clean, to all sorts of weight loss products and diet pills with people over-amping on natural Ephedra, to 26 cent magnets selling for $60 to clip to your ear to quit smoking and perky pecker products galore...all manner of gas saving devises that just don't function, you name it. Buy this, because THEY are evil We're buried in it! NO ONE has the mis and dis-information market cornered. I have no love for the authorities, but given the condition of mankind, I can sure see the need for them if a goodly portion is to survive. If they are a bit corrupt? It's because they are the same people that we are, only they have TOUGHER rules to *get around* and only have the manpower to control the biggest offenders. People who seek alternatives are those who are trying to take responsibility for their own health. Why YES! And GO FOR IT!!! [That's what I've been saying all along ] If that does the job better, it will win its share. You don't buy things you don't believe you need and those which you do are available, legal or not. Demand creates supply and supply just can't be stopped. The complete failure of the war on drugs is the proof. No one CAN make you buy something you don't believe you need...and no one MAKES you believe anything at all, no matter who you blame for your own thoughts. I say, let's just let stupid be stupid and see how many live through it if they have to take the full consequences of their own activities. The reality is, that's how it is, DESPITE efforts to legislate and enforce laws against stupidity and ignorance. But that said, the state of the *onion* has become so complex that NO one can comprehend everything. Bio-chemistry AND the herbal arts are a study in progress ...with... all the quirks and dangers. No two people are the same, so OF COURSE, there will be problems. I tell ya bud, if you can't see past simplistic black vs white, you don't have a prayer with multi layered real world onions. Good luck. [I mean that..you'll need lots of it ] There is no barrier that determined quiet people can't undermine. But That takes digging Just ask a Mexican... fence? Just something to walk around to take that job that no one else wants because it's hard and you don't get to go home every night. I ran nomadic tree planting crews in the 80s for what amounts to $200-300 tax free dollars a day, nowand couldn't find enough people. Now, it's all Mexicans doing it for a lot less. ANYTHING that the dollar spent, demands shalt
Re: CSA health question
I have many customers who are jewelry makers who use my ten and twelve gauge wire and they are steady repeat customers. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:34 AM Subject: Re: CSA health question Of course you're right, pure silver would be better for being non-toxic, but for jewelry is it ever used? I don't think I've ever seen a label stating pure silver on jewelry. If that was what was meant that would be great! Is it too soft for jewelry? Or just expensive. Nancy On Jan 29, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Tad Winiecki wrote: What's wrong with using sterling silver? It has metals in it other than silver, such as copper, which may cause a reaction for people. Many people react to the other metals in regular silver. What is regular silver? Sterling? If so, you answered your own question. If you mean fine, then there are no other metals in it (in any significance). I wouldn't buy it myself. Buy what? Sterling, or fine? You use fine for making CS. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestions about CS mA and use of H2O2
Hi George, Have a look at : http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm The last few pics show what happens when I used H2O2 to clean up. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: George Knoll To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: CSQuestions about CS mA and use of H2O2 Hi everybody, and newbe.s..lukers..ect I really appreciate the silver-list and the CS info that I have gotten from the fellows like Ode and Bruce. The ref that one gave me is one of the best sites I have seen: http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/ I have a variable voltage power supply , a walmart air pump and a hot plate set to 165 degrees. I also use a timer so I can shut the process off in case I can't get to it in time, like at night time or away at work. This is the only site that I have found that uses H2O2 and the info is in the http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/ ..sifte. I think is very relevant to a product effectiveness and quality. One other site, www.utopiasilver.com sells a CS product . Thay clamed they make a 80-20 product part ionic and part non ionic with trace minerals. There are many many testimonies on this site at to healing from there CS Utopia sells a battery generator with silver wires for under $40.00 U.S.. I purchased one and it works well on 3 - 9 volt batteries.. I have moved up to a D.C Power supply That I had . I have some questions.. as I want the most effective CS I can make and the best quality.. No. 1.. When one adds H2O2 how much per quart... then I assume you would multiply the by 4 for a gal. No.2 I have 4 sq in of Silver bar in a qt jar and start my current at 4 mA on my power supply.. As the process continues over time the density of silver builds up in the water and the mA will increase to over 15 mA. My question is would it not be better to lower the mA back to 8 or less to have a better product? Lowering the mA wil prolong the process. taking longer but my goal is quality. Does it make a difference My voltage starting out is 30 volts. On my present setup to bring the mA down requires less volts. I have order a 40 mA dc light bulb and that will help Let me know your thoughts.l I hope this also helps some new be CS makers George Knoll geoe...@ipa.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
Re: CSForst batch failure,Me too!
Have a look at : http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm The last few pics show what happens when I used H2O2 to clean up. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net To: Bruce Anderson bruce...@btes.tv; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: CSForst batch failure,Me too! About a month ago I did almost the same thing,except for the headache.Mine was a small emergency. Then I finally remembered, the batch [2 US quarts]had run about 10 hours over ,and it looked OK until I put a few drops of 35% H2O2 in it ,then it went the same milky white .I've let some of it sit, and now it is gradually clearing,some slight sedimentation occuring. What did I make? I don't have any meter to test with,yet. This is the first time this has happened to me. Harold - Original Message - From: Bruce Anderson bruce...@btes.tv To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: CSForst batch failure TO: Old hand CS-ers and Chemistry types; First, the history: I make 2gal.+ batches using 1ma DC and 60 of wetted #14, .999 silver wire. I normally stop when I get about 20ppm on the PWT. This time I stopped at 15 because I didn't want to let run overnight. The next morning I restarted the batch. So far so good. But then, I developed a splitting headache and completely forgot the batch. I remembered it eight hours later. It was over 25 on the PWT., it was clear with a hint of yellow, had a fine tyndel with a few sparkles. NOW THE KICKER: I thought to add H2O2 to create mostly ionic silver. But when I added 1oz of H2O2, the batch turned a milky gray-white. Did I use too much H2O2? and what did I make? (other than a mess). TIA; Bruce A. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44315000/jpg/_44315699_elephant2_afp416.jpg LOLI consider myself to be a world class CS snorter, able to reach even the sinus cavities at the back of my head, but this guy has me outclassed. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com Original Message - From: Richard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: CSFwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures Dear list members , photo no 5 - can this be a coincidence or is there a conspiracy going on ? happy christmas to you all - Richard Begin forwarded message: From: Richard r...@xxicenturysilver.com Date: 21 de diciembre de 2007 18:48:14 GMT+01:00 To: Alisa a...@xxicenturysilver.com Subject: Fwd: BBC E-mail: Day in pictures ** Day in pictures ** Some of the most striking images from around the world on 21 December 2007. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/in_pictures/7155596.stm ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail http://www.bbc.co.uk/email ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm
Re: CSThe Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methemoglobinemia - Original Message - From: Arnold Beland abela...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: Re: CSThe Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments? Mike mentions: the body's excretion mechanisms He says that he was using it topically as well for a skin condition. Certainly the skin can act as an organ which can excrete. I sell a great many laser pointers for professional use that I have made in Taiwan. Most of these have a finish in a high quality powder coat paint. I also had models with a chrome on brass finish. I don't get many of my pointers returned under warranty but I have had one or two of the chrome models come back with the chrome finish actually stripped away revealing the brass body. I called the users to try to find out what was happening and they had simply been holding them in their hands for an extended period of time in the same manner that anyone would while lecturing. My conclusion was that some individuals excrete some substance that actually absorbs the chrome. Needless to say, I stopped having them made with a chrome finish. I'm sure that this is a rare condition. It would really be good to find out more about this. Apart from the color of his skin he seems like a happy guy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwhat did I do wrong?
When you connected your multimeter set on measuring milliamps directly across the output of the wall wart you created a short circuit. There is a small fuse inside the multimeter which is set to blow just above the highest value of current that it is set to measure. These fuses are usually hidden and not easily replaced as many people do this and the meter manufacturers sell more that way. Don't feel bad, we all have done this. If you e-mail me at my website, I will send you instructions on how to use a resister in series and by measuring the voltage drop across the resister you will be able to calculate the current. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: CSwhat did I do wrong? Dear Esteemed and Learned List Members, I was fooling around with a wall wart that is listed as 24V and 500mA, and had it hooked up in series with my radioshack multimeter. It tested as 30.6V, and after I switched it to mA, the meter failed. Now it just reads micro volts and won't read anything else. Dang! Maybe I had it on micro amps instead of milliamps, and would that break it? I need another multimeter! But I don't want to just turn around and break this one too. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwhat did I do wrong?
To measure *current* you actually have to interrupt your circuit and let the current flow *through* the meter. It's not the same connection arrangement as for measuring the voltage. If the system is arranged in this way it will be inevitable that at some time the two electrodes will touch together and the fuse of the meter will be blown. It is best to use a resister of a fixed value that will limit the current to a Max level. If we use four nine volt batteries we have a total of thirty six volts. If we deduct the minimum voltage differential of our colloidal silver generators cell of four volts that leaves us with thirty two volts. Here is a setup using a 37K resister with the multimeter set on voltage measurement across the resister. As the process of generating ions progresses and the resistance of the cell decreases the voltage across the resister will simply increase. If the electrodes are accidentally shorted together, no harm will be done. The current will be limited to one milliamp in this case at the available voltage of thirty six volts, divided by the resistance thirty three thousand Ohm's, resulting in a current of one milliamp, approximately. I have included some JPEGs is to illustrate this. The resister with little loops already formed at each end. Put the probes from the multimeter inside the loops. Here is the picture. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/cs2.jpg Attach an alligator clip from one of the jumper cables to one of the test leads tip points as shown. Do the same again with another test lead. Attach an alligator clip from the unused jumper cable to one of the battery terminals that is still exposed. The other end of this cable clip onto the end of one of the lengths of silver wire. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/cs6.jpg You are almost there. Remember the two jumper cables that you attached to the resister and test probes? Choose one of those and attach the free and to the remaining battery terminal that is still exposed. Attach the free and of the remaining cable to the other piece of silver as shown. Now we are ready to test our generator. Turned the control on the multimeter to two hundred volts DC as shown in the picture. When the two silver wires are separated it should read zero volts. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/cs5.jpg When you touch the two silver wires together, this causes the voltage to flow through the resister and a major will read approximately thirty eight volts, which happens with fresh batteries. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/cs4.jpg Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: CSwhat did I do wrong? Great news, Kathryn! GRIN Now, just remember, for voltage readings the probes need to be connected across the voltage source you want to measure. Very little current will flow through the meter in voltage reading mode. To measure *current* you actually have to interrupt your circuit and let the current flow *through* the meter. It's not the same connection arrangement as for measuring the voltage. Hook it up right, and you'll never blow that fuse again! Current is more useful to know than voltage, so you'll probably leave it wired up that way most of the time. Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwhat did I do wrong?
Wow, Arnold, this is really VERY nice. I love the photos, and the whole thing is very clear. Thank you very much! How do you get the 4 v to subtract? Will it not work below 4v, the silver not ionize or something like that? It looks like the resistance needs to be approx the same as the voltage, like 37K for 36 volts, or 24K for 24 volts, to get the 1 mA current, more or less. I guess depending on how far apart the electrodes are, but for our example here. Kathryn Thanks Kathryn, Attach the two free ends of the alligator clip leads that have been shown before. The voltmeter should be turned on at this point. As you can see the voltmeter reads four volts. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/44a.JPG This is the voltage that is being dropped across the resister. The reading of four volts indicates that the current in milliamps is 0.1 MA. This is the maximum amount that is allowable in terms of how good your distilled water is. If it reads any more than this you need to find a better source of distilled water. In order to speed up the process we have moved the electrodes closer together so that we might generate ions more quickly. The more ions in the water, the higher the conductivity of the water, and this allows more current to flow. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/6b.jpg We will now allow the process to continue. You will be able to see in the following pictures the fact that the voltage across the resister continues to climb over time. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/6e.jpg Once we build it up to a certain voltage 22 volts or so, we move the electrodes back to their original position, opposite one another. When we do this we will see the voltage on our meter temporarily drops in value as there is more water to cross and therefore the resistance increases. The voltage will continue to rise as time passes. There are many variables involved in how long it takes for the solution to reach a level of maximum Ionic concentration. For one thing the temperature of the water is a factor. The resistance of the water will decrease as the temperature increases. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/12_9V.JPG http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/9b.jpg In any case, patience is now called for. Because we are using four nine volt batteries in series our voltage is thirty six volts. The reading across the resister will continue to rise until we cannot generate any more ions. At this point the voltage across the electrodes will be approximately six volts. That means that approximately thirty volts will be across the resister and will be shown on the voltmeter. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/9a.jpg This is the point at which our red laser pointer comes into play. Actual particles will start to form now as the ions will start to cluster together and no longer exist as ions but clumps of silver atoms forming colloidal silver. If these clumps of atoms exceed a diameter of forty nanometers our water will begin to take on a yellow tinge. Long before this our laser light will detect the colloidal particles, as laser light has the ability to be scattered by even very small particles as it travels through a medium, in this case water. The less ambient light that is present, the easier it will be to see the presence of the particles. The whole purpose is to achieve the maximum amount of colloidal silver while limiting the particle size. Once the voltmeter approaches thirty volts start using your laser pointer, preferably in the dark. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/rlb.JPG http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/rlc1.jpg As the process continues the beam will still be visible even in normal room light. At this point you will be done and you will have made a solution of colloidal silver as good or better than anything you can buy at any price. http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/32VREDLINEaoc.JPG http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/abeland1/rlrl.JPG Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSThe Blue Man (Agryria) - Any Comments?
Mike mentions: the body's excretion mechanisms He says that he was using it topically as well for a skin condition. Certainly the skin can act as an organ which can excrete. I sell a great many laser pointers for professional use that I have made in Taiwan. Most of these have a finish in a high quality powder coat paint. I also had models with a chrome on brass finish. I don't get many of my pointers returned under warranty but I have had one or two of the chrome models come back with the chrome finish actually stripped away revealing the brass body. I called the users to try to find out what was happening and they had simply been holding them in their hands for an extended period of time in the same manner that anyone would while lecturing. My conclusion was that some individuals excrete some substance that actually absorbs the chrome. Needless to say, I stopped having them made with a chrome finish. I'm sure that this is a rare condition. It would really be good to find out more about this. Apart from the color of his skin he seems like a happy guy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeed some electrodes
http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire.htm Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: T. J. Garland To: silver silver list ; silver off topic Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: CSNeed some electrodes Arnold-- I lost your web page-- Help, I need some 99.99 wire. TJ
Re: CSV=Volker?
What does the V stand for? Count Alessandro Giuseppe Antonio Anastasio Volta was born in Como, Lombardy, on February 18, 1745. Volta was born to nobility that had moved down in social station. Unlike his siblings, young Alessandro did not enter the church. His young childhood did not show the makings of a prodigy. It was not until the age of four that he talked, and his family was convinced that he was retarded. However, at the age of seven when his father died, he was at the level of other children and then began to march ahead. By the age of fourteen, he made up his mind to be a physicist. Volta became fascinated with the phenomenon of the age, electricity. He became so enamored with it that he wrote an excellent Latin poem on the subject. In 1774, he was appointed professor of physics in the Como high school and the next year he invented electrophorous, a charge- accumulating machine. Volta's fame spread as result. In 1778, Volta was the first to isolate the compound methane, a major constituent of natural gas. Further, in 1779, he received a professorial appointment at the University of Pavia, where he continued his work with electricity. He invented other gadgets involving static electricity and received the Copley medal of the Royal Society, where he was elected to membership, in 1791. The major feat of his life involved not static electricity, but dynamic electricity- the electric current. Following the experiments of Galvani, who was a friend of his and sent copies of his papers on the subject, Volta attacked the question of whether the electric current resulting when muscle was in contact with two different metals arose from the tissue or from the metals. To check this he decided in 1794 to make use of the metals alone, without the tissue. He found at once that an electric current resulted and maintained that it therefore had nothing to do with life or tissue. This sparked a controversy between the two Italians with the German Humboldt, the chief of Galvani's supporters, and the Frenchman Coulomb, the chief of Volta's. The weight of the evidence leaned more and more heavily toward Volta, and Galvani died embittered. In 1800 Volta virtually clinched the victory by constructing a device that would produce a large flow of electricity. Volta's device was an electric battery- the first in history. The invention of the battery lifted Volta's fame to its pinnacle. He was called to France by Napoleon in 1801 for a kind of command performanceof his experiments. He received many medals and decorations, including the Legion of Honor, and was even made a count and, in 1810, a senator of the kingdom of Lombardy. Throughout his life, though, Volta was able to shift with the changing politics of the time and to remain in good graces with whatever government was in power. After Napoleon fell and Austria became dominant in Italy once more, Volta continued to excel and to receive posts of high honor. Volta received his greatest honor, however, at the hands of no ruler, but of his fellow scientists. The unit of electromotive force- the driving force that moves the electric current- is now called the volt. V - Original Message - From: bob Larson bobli...@toadmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: CSV=Volker? -Original Message- From: faith gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:55 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSLED therapy What does the V stand for? ...first letter of first name. i think it's Volker, but am probably off on the spelling at least. Faith G -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring concentrations
The original term was the Mho. Yes, Ohm spelled backwards. In nineteen seventy one the unit was redesignated the Siemen in recognition of the work of Ernst Werner von Siemens. I always thought spelling Ohm backwards to indicate the reciprocal of the unit was a neat thing. No disrespect for Ernst intended. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave na...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring concentrations Siemens in the unit used to designate Electrical Conductance. This is the reciprocal (1/unit) of the Ohms unit which indicates Electrical Resistance. So: siemens = 1 / ohms micro siemens = siemens / 1,000,000 also micro siemens = 1,000,000 / resistance micro siemens may be written uS Dan Clayton Family wrote: I bought a COM 100 meter from silverpuppy.com. It measures the electrical conductivity of the water, in micro Seimans. The u is a symbol for micro, I guess it is the closest a keyboard can come to the tiny little itty bitty m. The com 100 will tell what the conductivity is, which is pretty close to the ppm (parts per million). On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Linda wrote: How do you measure concentrations of silver and what is uS (units Silver?) Linda -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScivility
My grandmother told me that it really doesn't matter what you want. What matters is what others want from you. You are not a world unto your self. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CScivility On 11/8/2007 12:45:27 PM, Clayton Family (clay...@skypoint.com) wrote: As my dear Grandmother used to say When in doubt, apply the Golden Rule. Mine always said Ruler' Chuck Speak, friend, and enter. If you don't press enter, nothing happens. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS De-ionised water
That should fine. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Ian Davies To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: CSCS De-ionised water Thanks for your reply Arnold and for the very helpful link that even I can understand. I buy my water to make my CS from the Pharmacy, it is the water that they use to prepare formulas. On the label it says Agua destilada desionizada / (distilled de-ionised water). Will that be de-ionised and then distilled or distilled and then de-ionised or do they do both things at the same time? I test the water with a PWT meter from Hanna and it gives me a reading of 0.2 .up to 0.5 the highest reading. I have tried several different brands from different sourses, all of them labelled Distilled De-ionised and the one from the pharmacy is the best I have found. Is that water OK to make CS? Thank you once again for your help. Ian In previous messages: Could you tell me why de-ionised distilled water shoud not be used for making CS? It's all you can get here in Spain and my CS seems to be working just fine. Please enlighten me. Thank you Ian http://van.physics.uiuc.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1743 I might use CS produced with de-ionized water externally for sunburn and so forth. But I would hesitate to drink it or snort it up into my sinuses, which is my main use. Small distillers are available here for less than $100. Are you sure that no one in the EU makes these things?. I would think that pharmacies would carry distilled water as it would be used in many preparations. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSa question about silver????
compounds that are combinations of other impurities contained in the salt. Please do not do this. There are other people, who will tell you that it is okay to just use tap water. There is a case of a congressman from South Dakota, who did this and turned blue. I don't know whether or not it did him any permanent harm. But it doesn't seem like a good idea to me. - Original Message - From: Arnold Beland abela...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:37 PM Subject: CSa question about silver -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS a question about silver and de-ionised water
Could you tell me why de-ionised distilled water shoud not be used for making CS? It's all you can get here in Spain and my CS seems to be working just fine. Please enlighten me. Thank you Ian http://van.physics.uiuc.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1743 I might use CS produced with de-ionized water externally for sunburn and so forth. But I would hesitate to drink it or snort it up into my sinuses, which is my main use. Small distillers are available here for less than $100. Are you sure that no one in the EU makes these things?. I would think that pharmacies would carry distilled water as it would be used in many preparations. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
CSa question about silver????
Mike D. silver-list owner Said And should any of you new people lurking out there be wondering when we're going to start talking about silver... all it takes is for you to ask a question! grin Hi Mike, By all means, let us start talking about. Colloidal silver. I will take it as a starting point a recent e-mail from a person who knew that I sell ultra pure 49 silver wire. It is as follows: I have not started to make my own CS can I purchase a gallon through you? Thank you. ~Norine I replied in this manner: Hello Norine, Thank you for your inquiry. As you may know, I supply ultra pure silver wire for those people and companies making colloidal silver. A number of these companies include my wire in their colloidal silver generator kits. Colloidal silver is basically very easy to produce. A great deal of misinformation can be found on the net and I am sure it confuses people. Whether or not this is done on purpose is a matter for debate. I have been making and using colloidal silver for many years and I have sometimes considered selling it. I have as good or better scientific equipment here as anyone to assure me that I am producing only the highest quality product. I have not done this for two reasons. We are in Spokane, Washington, and therefore at a disadvantage in terms of shipping. For an example, shipping a gallon to you would cost me at least $30 as I would charge for the product itself. The other reason is that I do not wish to be associated with those who sell colloidal silver. Far too many of these people make outrageous claims as to the effectiveness of colloidal silver. That is not to say that colloidal silver is not enormously useful. But it is not a universal cure all. Most of these people are hucksters and have no way of knowing they are producing. There have been instances of people buying colloidal silver with active bacteria within. Would you like to be able to make your own at a cost of less than $.50 a gallon? I will set you up with two pieces of 12 gauge wire 6 inches long, a multimeter, a resister and a set alligator clip leads. I will also include one of my laser pointers, so that you will be able to see the actual silver particles. I will start making up a part of our website with instructions on how to use this equipment. You will have to purchase four 9 V batteries. These are available at stores such as Safeway for as little as one dollar each. Later on in the process, as you become comfortable with what you are doing, I will supply you with a plug-in power supply and a larger amount of silver so that you will be able to make 1 gallon at a time. It will be a good project for me. You can be of a great help in questions and directing me to make any areas more clear to a potential user. This will cost you only $29 to start with. I have been to your website, and I have no doubt that a person of your accomplishments will find this an interesting and worthwhile project. This was over three weeks ago, and I never heard back from Norine. This makes me wonder, how many people, no matter what amount of help you offer, are unwilling to make the effort to engage in the simple process of making their own colloidal silver. Why is this? Is it simply because people are fearful of anything with any degree of technical knowledge? Is it because the purveyors of colloidal silver have made it seem a complicated process? I would appreciate any and all comments on this matter. As most of the people on this list are aware, I have been supply for silver for those who make their own so that they have absolute assurance that they are starting off with something that will not poison them. I am willing to make to the effort to enable people to produce this very simple product, which will enhance their ability to withstand the dangers of living in this world. But, I am not inclined to beat my head about against a wall. Any guidance will be appreciated. I have begun to write about what I know about colloidal silver. Is this a worthwhile project? I need some feedback please. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSterling silver Detox and Silver Wires
- Original Message - From: M. G. Devour Also, there are online sources for pure silver wire, at least one of which frequents this list. You'll probably hear about or from him shortly. http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire.htm Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSnanoparticles of precious metals
This may be slightly OT, but it is interesting in terms of nanoparticles of precious metals and the fact that we really don't know what they do. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/specia.../10034946.html Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSsilver production: ionic vs. colloidal
Yes it was a great post, indeed. But over the years that is exactly what we have come to expect from Ken. Of course, I could have said the same thing, but I would have taken 5000 words or more and put everyone to sleep in doing so. - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 5:44 AM Subject: Re: CSsilver production: ionic vs. colloidal Great post, Ken! Mike D. What we are making is termed EIS [electricially isolated silver ] as an attempt to avoid confusion. EIS is a MIXTURE of both dissolved ionic and suspended colloidal particulate silver. Every generator that uses electricity and water makes Ionic Silver... and nothing but. There are no exceptions. But, some portion of that Ionic silver will convert into a particulate colloid AFTER it is made, the size of which mostly depend on process control and water purity. [etcetera...] [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCan CS Make Me Sick?
Get the to an endocrinologist. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Jodi jwmen...@cox.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: CSCan CS Make Me Sick? Scott wrote: I have been taking CS for 2 years. I make my own and it has always been clear and I have not had a cold or the flu since taking it. I tested positive two months ago for Lupus but my doctors believe it is only fibromyalgia due to my ANA Titer being so low (1:40). Anyhow, my symptoms are chronic fatigue, insomnia, skin rashes on both wrists that do not itch but have a goose bump look to them and the hair has quit growing in both areas, my skin hurts as if I have bruises all over, feet hurt, frequent muscle and joint pain, numbness in my left thigh and fast weight gain. I have two family members that I make and give the CS to and they have had very positive results from it. The rest of my family believe that it is the CS making me sick and will not support my making it for business purposes. Anyhow, I sure could use some feedback on this as I believe highly in CS and its ability to help healing the body. Is it possible that what I am experiencing is a long herx effect? Let me know! I don't think silver would do any of that. It sounds like hypothyroidism (low thyroid) to me, Scott.Jodi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSapparent disrespect for silver
http://www.dailyreckoning.com/Writers/Mogambo/DREssays/MG100807.html Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
CSSilver content nightwear to launch in UK
http://www.mineweb.com:8080/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page34?oid=37659sn=Detail Please give us a call at 1-877-2690174 or 509-4660789 between 6am and 3pm Pacific Time, Monday - Friday and we can discuss your requirements. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
CSfuture of Nano-Silver ?
http://www.agion-tech.com/default.aspx Anyone know what this stuff is? Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
CSNanocrystaline Silver Antimicrobial cream gets FDA approval...
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070719/to212.html?.v=52 Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
CSabout silver
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/unique.html Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSabout silver
If you want to run it continuously, use a 1/2 inch rubber O-ring to hold the button down. We will supply one of these with the pointer at no charge if you request it with your payment. - Original Message - From: Arnold Beland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: CSabout silver http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/unique.html Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSAre more electrodes better?
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/Sample_Projects/Ohms_Law/ohmslaw.html Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: CSAre more electrodes better? Hi SS, Re: CSAre more electrodes better? Probably not. But rather ask the manufacturer of your device. In general, if there is a current controller in the circuit then increasing silver surface area will tend to make finer eis, but not decrease batch time. To make the batch go faster you would have to increase surface area (ie more rods as you suggest.) AND also increase the current flow proportionally. BUT if you do that you could be messing with the shut off controller, if that is in the circuit. OK, Tony Moody On 19 Jun 2007 at 18:06, Silver Smith wrote about : Subject : CSAre more electrodes better? Will using multiple sets of electrodes with my CS generator decrease the time? Will it effect a batch in any other ways...good or bad? Thanks, SS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbubblers and ppm
I just realized that I was only shinning the light through the 15 ppm jar and not the 0.8 ppm (bubbler only) jar. SS So can you see a beam in the bubbler solution? Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSSilver Quality
Soon after going the silver list I decided that I would provide a source of certifiable ultra pure silver for people to start with. This was after a bad experience on eBay buying 100 ounces of what was suppose to be pure silver and turned out to be anything but. I have a special refinery that produces this for me along with a certificate of analysis with each batch of 2000 ounces or more. I did this so that those who make their own CS will at least know what they are starting with. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Silver Smith To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: CSSilver Quality I have a friend who has a jewelry business and can buy silver wholesale. His wholesale source has fine silver but no purity designation. Anybody know what purity fine silver is? Thanks, SS
Re: CSSo Many Generators
Can I get some recommendations for cost effective GOOD generators; battery, electric and/or solar? Also, has silver gone way up?? I have been paying $10 a foot. Thanks, Leslie Yes, silver has gone up quite a lot. What gauge are you paying $10 a foot for? Is it quality certified? Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSSo Many Generators
Through Utopia and 999, believe 14 gauge. You can buy 12 gauge (much thicker) 1 ounce (36 inches) for $25 here: http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire.htm Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSColloidal Silver and Colloidal Gold Question
Ode said ..but you were sold. Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true. -- Demosthenes People prefer deception to truth. Lies, especially lattering lies, make them feel good about themselves. They are convenient and soothing, like diet cola - sweet and empty. The truth, by contrast, is too strong. It disturbs our digestion and troubles our sleep. Give me straight-up mendacity any day. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSbubblers and ppm
Very interesting. It would appear that the ions you are generating are indeed silver. One more test please. Do you have a laser pointer? Shine it through the 20ppm solution with a varying amount of ambient light. At what point does a line of red appear in the solution itself? A light meter would be handy if available. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Silver Smith To: Arnold Beland Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: CSbubblers and ppm I wonder if you would be so kind as to run a little experiment for the benefit of the group? Run a batch with your bubbler for the same amount of time but do not apply any voltage. Then measure your ppm and let us know the result. Sure...Results below. Experiment Report I have (2) identical generators that I set up as follows. Generator #1 -set up with the electrodes in and the bubbler running but no power to the electrodes -DH2O ppm at zero time was 0.8 ppm (measured with a Comm 100 meter) -Batch ran for 6 hours -Final ppm 0.8 Conclusion -No change in DH2O ppm due to the bubbler Generator #2 -set up as normal but w/o the bubbler -DH2O ppm at zero time was 0.8 ppm (measured with a Comm 100 meter) -Batch ran for 6 hours -Final ppm 15.4 with much more precipitation than when I use the bubbler Conclusion -Batch took twice as long to make a lower ppm CS and contained much more preciptate matter Hope this helps. Thoughts? SS On 6/13/07, Arnold Beland abela...@comcast.net wrote: Silver Smith posts: I use a $6.00 fish tank bubbler I got at Walmart that works great. I am able to consistently make clear 20 ppm. Before I implemented the bubbler, it was hard to get above 13-15 w/o it beginning to turn yellow. I run the bubble tube all the way to the bottom between the electrodes so the bubbles run up the side of the 1 Qt jar. Works great. Very consistent batches. I wonder if you would be so kind as to run a little experiment for the benefit of the group? Run a batch with your bubbler for the same amount of time but do not apply any voltage. Then measure your ppm and let us know the result. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSbubblers and ppm
At what point does a line of red appear in the solution itself? Do not understand. Please clarfy A light meter would be handy if available. No light meter available A TDS meter only measures ions, not particles. The beam from a red laser pointer will be scattered by particles, even the smallest of these. The beam will vary in intensity in direct relation with the amount of particles. You will first see the beam in a pitch dark room and as the number of particles increase it will also be seen in normal ambient light.
Re: CSbubblers and ppm
Can faintly see a red line at normal ambient light. Is this good or bad or just is? That is very good as it indicates that you are making actual silver particles as well as ions. I just realized that I was only shinning the light through the 15 ppm jar and not the 0.8 ppm (bubbler only) jar. SS You should not see a line in this unless dust particles have been introduced in the bubbling process. Your next step would be to let the process run and see how strong the laser beam becomes before the solution becomes slightly yellow, indicating a particle size in excess of 40nm, which is these days deemed undesirable. Not too many years ago, before we had access to lasers and ppm meters, we ran the process until we had a yellow tinge, as that was the only way that we knew that we were done. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
CSbubblers and ppm
Silver Smith posts: I use a $6.00 fish tank bubbler I got at Walmart that works great. I am able to consistently make clear 20 ppm. Before I implemented the bubbler, it was hard to get above 13-15 w/o it beginning to turn yellow. I run the bubble tube all the way to the bottom between the electrodes so the bubbles run up the side of the 1 Qt jar. Works great. Very consistent batches. I wonder if you would be so kind as to run a little experiment for the benefit of the group? Run a batch with your bubbler for the same amount of time but do not apply any voltage. Then measure your ppm and let us know the result. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSpurchasing silver
We have just dropped the price of our 10 gauge to $24 plus $3 SH. 10 gauge is 20 inches / oz. http://www.atlasnova.com/SilverWire.htm Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Dan Nave To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RE: CSpurchasing silver Like many other things, you have to use colloidal silver in a correct manner for the condition. There will be different ways of using and dosing depending on what and where the problem is. You may have needed to take some orally as well as just spraying. I would also have used compresses soaked with DMSO and CS and let them sit on the face for up to 1/2 hour for example. At the very least I would have mixed DMSO with the spray. Nebulizing CS may have increased your blood level of CS. Nasal spraying might be necessary. Also, you may have to do each application several, or many, times throughout the day. Silver is silver as long as it is of reasonable purity. I use 99.9%. Dan -- From: Leslie [mailto:leslie1...@windstream.net] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:57 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSpurchasing silver I would like to hear your recommendations as to the best quality for the best price on SILVER. I have been getting mine from Utopia silver and I have their battery operated set up as well as an electric one. I was poisoned last year and my face has broken out all year on and off. I took CS and sprayed my face with it. It would clear up and then come right back. Looked like minor acne. I was told by this old doctor here in town that I had a staph infection that would not go away without an antibiotic and therefore my face would break out from this. I felt this was caused from some type of poisoning. I normally don't go to doctors, but really wanted to figure out what was used on me. All the testing was very expensive and you need to know what was used as each test was for different things; like antifreeze and another for pinesol or windex! Anyway, what I am getting at is that the CS was too weak and did not take care of the problem. I feel sure it helped though. I need to get some more silver is why I am asking. Thanks, Leslie
CScaused by a bacterium
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/02/AR2007050202831_pf.html Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com
Re: CSNebulizers revisited
I have used an ultrasonic mister and I find that the ultrasonic transducer forces the particles to aglomerate and they fall out of suspension. Best Regards, Arnold Beland www.atlasnova.com - Original Message - From: Wendy To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: CSNebulizers revisited My husband and 2 children and I got hit with a nasty cold/flu/virus or whatever the damn thing is. I got hit the hardest.. And I have tried everything over the course of 2-3 weeks (CS, oil of oregano, oregamax, nac, hoemopathics, ozone therapy, acidophilous, mega sodium ascorbate, mustard plaster, cold wet sock treatment, sweat bath to raise core temp and burn it out, Echinacea combo, radiance reiki, then when it went to my sinuses I've tried cs in netti pot, h202 in netti pot, salt water, rebounding, vitamin c flush, home remedies like 'tomato hot tea', apple cider vinegar, natural Sinus Buster from the health food store.) I am feeling some relief today from rebounding consistently but I can't taste or smell yet. My nostrils are clear but my head is still stuffy. I made a dandelion, sprout, lettuce, banana apple smoothie today and took a b complex and feel much more normal ;-) I must say that it would have been way easier to have a nebulizer from the get go. BUT each time I go to buy one I can't figure out WHICH ONE. we have no archives here. but I recall the size of particles to be important.. But then someone uses a humidifier from Walmart don't they Any recommendations on WHICH NEBULIZER to buy that would work for the whole family. Thanks SO much. Wendy
