RE: CS>CMO/Glucosamine with MSM

[Ernie Patai]

Hi Marshalee.

 

Thank you so much for your feedback. Gives me something to go on!!

 

Appreciated!!

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:utahpug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:13 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CMO/Glucosamine with MSM

 

Hi, Ernie, 

  All I can say is Yes, I used CMO, and MSM and glucosamine, along with
ibuprofen and the hot pad and magnets on the knees for pain, and it all
worked. I`m now pretty much pain free. I still hurt a bit after I drink
milk, and I have a knee that hurts occasionally from an old injury, but by
and large, I`m a new person! 

So is my 8 year old Pug, who I gave Cetyl M brand to for her arthritis, and
now she can run!

I didn`t keep any logs or anything, I just followed the directions. CMO
doesn`t work immediately, it takes several months for the effects to be
noticed. Apparently the CMO turns off the T cells, then the MSM and
Glucosamine can work to heal the tissues.

I hope this helps!

Marshalee

 

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Ernie Patai 
wrote:

Hello listers,

 

I have been here on and off for quite a few years and am truly grateful for
all the support and help that many of you have put into this group to make
it what it is.

I have purchased quite a few CS generators, thanks to Ode's genius and
simplicity to make great working and efficient machines. I get consistent
results for the most part except for when I get lazy to clean my jar or the
rods. Many of you have made the road that was less travelled a beaten path.
:-)

 

I have a request outside of the CS topic.

 

I purchased Jarrow CMO and Nutraceutical glucosamine with chondroitin with
MSM.

 

Do any of you have personal experience and documented the usage of CMO and
Glucosamine to recover from arthritis? 

I would like to know if anyone has kept a daily log with dosages and time
line and the results that were obtained.

 

Thanks so much; a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

 

CS>CMO/Glucosamine with MSM

[Ernie Patai]

Hello listers,

 

I have been here on and off for quite a few years and am truly grateful for
all the support and help that many of you have put into this group to make
it what it is.

I have purchased quite a few CS generators, thanks to Ode's genius and
simplicity to make great working and efficient machines. I get consistent
results for the most part except for when I get lazy to clean my jar or the
rods. Many of you have made the road that was less travelled a beaten path.
:-)

 

I have a request outside of the CS topic.

 

I purchased Jarrow CMO and Nutraceutical glucosamine with chondroitin with
MSM.

 

Do any of you have personal experience and documented the usage of CMO and
Glucosamine to recover from arthritis? 

I would like to know if anyone has kept a daily log with dosages and time
line and the results that were obtained.

 

Thanks so much; a point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

RE: CS>Who has Researched Salt

[Ernie Patai]

I also use this salt and I have to agree it has a less aggressive taste if I
could use this word to describe it and also taste better.

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:22 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Who has Researched Salt

I think the main thing with 'table' salt is the rubbish they put in it to
make it flow.  I use Himalayan salt and it has a much better taste than
table salt.  dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Wayne Fugitt 

Date: 13/08/2008 11:20:07 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Who has Researched Salt 

 

As to the many claims for the Himalayan Salt, I 

think they are exaggerated. I have enjoyed all 

those things for many years, ... without Himalayan salt. 

 

Likewise mankind has lived for hundreds and 

thousands of years .. Without Himalayan Salt. 

 

It is a bit exaggerated to call it a mineral 

supplement, as only 2 % of the weight is minerals, 

98 % sodium chloride. Not to mention that it is 

over priced. Just because one spends a lot of 

money does not guarantee anything. 

 

Salt has a relatively simple definition.. 

Sodium and Chloride. Nothing more, Nothing less. 

Chemically, it is 60.663% elemental chlorine 

(Cl) and 39.337% sodium ( NA ) The atomic 

weight of elemental chlorine is 35.4527 and that 

of sodium is 22.989768. These values checked with my chart. 

 

Where does all this leave us ? 

 


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RE: CS>Arthritis and Joint Pain

[Ernie Patai]

Good idea, think I'll call them Monday

Thanks.

Ernie Patai 
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-Original Message-
From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 05:54 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Arthritis and Joint Pain

I personally know nothing about it.  why don't you Google it or contact the 
company directly?  Faith G.


- Original Message - 
From: "Ernie Patai" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Arthritis and Joint Pain


> Hi everyone,
>
> I recently posted a request if anyone knew of a distributor in Canada that
> sold Jarrow brand or equivalent CMO?
>
> Could anyone help? Duty and shipping just kills me to buy it across the
> border.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Ernie Patai
> 416-633-2485
> yogawither...@rogers.com
> GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 05:39 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Arthritis and Joint Pain
>
> Arthritis and joint pain gone forever.  Treat more than just symptoms.  I
> don't know if this is true but it is worth it to check it out:
> http://www.supplebodies.com/?gclid=CNe8r6DbgZUCFQEqIgodYBPvqA
>
> Faith G.
>
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RE: CS>Arthritis and Joint Pain

[Ernie Patai]

Hi everyone,

I recently posted a request if anyone knew of a distributor in Canada that
sold Jarrow brand or equivalent CMO?

Could anyone help? Duty and shipping just kills me to buy it across the
border.

Thank you.

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

-Original Message-
From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 05:39 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Arthritis and Joint Pain

Arthritis and joint pain gone forever.  Treat more than just symptoms.  I 
don't know if this is true but it is worth it to check it out: 
http://www.supplebodies.com/?gclid=CNe8r6DbgZUCFQEqIgodYBPvqA

Faith G. 


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RE: CS>OT: Using green food products?

[Ernie Patai]

Just keep in mind V8 are very high in Sodium. :-)

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: Ruth Bertella [mailto:berte...@lfdcbham.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 01:28 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>OT: Using green food products?

 

oh, I really like the V8 idea - love the spicy!  Thanks for the idea!

- Original Message - 

From: cking...@nycap.rr.com 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: CS>OT: Using green food products?

 

Well, Mike
I have pretty good luck using a basic smoothie that seems to
hide unappetizing supplements in quantities up to tablespoon size.

Basically it's raw chocolate, raw honey, colostrum, ground flax seed,
raw coconut oil, raw milk, plus whatever supplements I want to throw
in.

Otherwise, I will also use low sodium V8 to disguise stuff.

One of those should work for 99% of what you don't want to taste.

Chuck
Party Vegetable


On 8/7/2008 2:21:43 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
> Hi folks, I have an OT question I'd like to get your input on...
> 
> I've
> seen many advertisements for various products that consist of
> powdered greens/algae/who-knows-what, that are supposed to provide
> concentrated nutrition to overcome the emptiness of modern produce and
> the inadequacies of the common diet. One example I happen to have a
> container of is
> Barlean's Greens.
> 
> How can we take this stuff so that it's really
> palatable? Can we make
> it into a veggie dip? What do you mix it with?
> 
> Have you had any good results from such products?
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.

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RE: CS>OT: Using green food products?

[Ernie Patai]

Mike,

I'm currently taking "New Chapter Organics-probiotic Berry Green" I must say
to me this has been the best that I've tried. No fillers just pure wholesome
nutrition, wholefood. I mix it with juice. Up in Canada it is kinda pricey.
You're better off buying the largest container to save money. 

My testimony is this. On more then one occasion I have injured my
body(shoulder and re-injured it)and in less then a week through numerous
dosages my body has almost healed from the injury. Since I don't eat that
much veggies as I should I find this to be great meal replacement. 

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
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-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:59 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>OT: Using green food products?

I used to use it in a shake. I liked the greens from grasses, like 
barley etc. I do not tolerate the ones from algae most of the time. I 
am not sure if I had good results or not, but the shakes tasted good!   
  --kathryn



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CS>CMO distributors

[Ernie Patai]

Hello group.

 

Would anyone be able to tell me where I can purchase Jarrow CMO or an
equivalent quality CMO in Canada?

I was just in touch with VitaCost in the states and after shipping and duty
it's very expensive to buy cross border.

The duty into Canada I am thinking is going to cost me lots.

 

Thank you so much.

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

RE: CS>HIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting

[Ernie Patai]

How I understand how MMS works is that it supercharges the immune system- to
quote Jim Humbles book. The immune system is often compromised and therefore
susceptible to illness. The MMS doesn't know one pathogen from another. It
merely creates the conditions for the immune system to produce the necessary
artillery to kill off any virus or pathogen in the body. The immune system
or should say body has its own intelligence and once the ideal conditions
are right it is able to fend off and even eradicate disease.


Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 


-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>HIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting

The majority of AIDs cases are the immune system being suppressed due to 
toxins, most often benzine, or benzine derivatives.  How would MMS help 
that? Does it oxidize the benzine? Or are you simply referring to the 
ability to kill the marker used to often diagnose it, the HIV virus?  
Killing the HIV virus has no real effect on AIDS, since all that is 
doing is killing the marker, not the cause.  The HIV test indicates that 
virtually everyone has the HIV virus, but it only blooms when a person 
has AIDS.

Marshall

bbanever wrote:
> Aids is curable 100% of the time with MMS (chlorine dioxide either 
> taken orally or by IV).  Although it is important to follow the proper 
> protocol in making and ingesting MMS, it is the most potent oxidizer 
> we can take without toxic or negative side effects (other than 
> possible nausea or diarrhea temporarily). 
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Dee <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 04, 2008 9:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>HIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting
>
> Couldn't make it work S-Max.  Dee
>  
> /---Original Message---/
>  
> /*From:*/ S-Max <mailto:s...@emotap.com>
> /*Date:*/ 04/08/2008 16:59:41
> /*To:*/ silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
> /*Subject:*/ CS>HIV AIDS Nut Cracked? Very Interesting
>  
> ThJust came across this article and thought it was share-worthy.
> S-Max
>  
> http://www.scienceblog
>
com/cms/pathologists-believe-they-have-pinpointed-achilles-heel-hiv-16900
> html
>  
>  
>  
>
>   
>



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RE: CS>Nuisance emails

[Ernie Patai]

You should also try Regclean. It cleans the registry of the computer where
often anti spyware programs don't penetrate enough into the computer to
remove them.

The programs say "stuff" has been removed but sometimes and more so often
stay in the registry.

 

Just thought you should know. The other thing you may want to try is a
"system restore" which restores the computer to a point prior to where the
problems started.

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] 
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Nuisance emails

 

Thanks Andy.  I cleaned out my cookies and my spysweeper takes care of any
Trojans (haven't seen any in many moons).  Faith G.

 

- Original Message - 

From: ascottsil...@aol.com 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:41 AM

Subject: Re: CS>Nuisance emails

 

Hi Dee,

It is important to get rid of tracking cookies and Trojans. They are often
the source of spam and pop up windows. They can even copy your keystrokes
and steal passwords and other personal information. I use Spybots "Search
and Destroy". It can be downloaded at www.spybot.com for free and it catches
a lot of stuff that other virus checkers miss.

I hope this helps,
Andy

 

In a message dated 7/30/2008 3:53:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
d...@deetroy.org writes:

Does anyone know how to stop these please?  I have Incredimail and a
facility to block and bounce, but they just keep coming in!  I put the words
I want on the blocked senders thingy but they still keep on coming and its
driving me mad!  Any advice gratefully received!  Dee  


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RE: CS>Nuisance emails

[Ernie Patai]

Hi Dee,

 

You may also want to run Spybot in safe mode as it doesn't always work
running on regular mode and doesn't always catch everything the first run
through.

You may have to do a few times. Just to be certain. :-)

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 12:41 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Nuisance emails

 

Hi Dee,

It is important to get rid of tracking cookies and Trojans. They are often
the source of spam and pop up windows. They can even copy your keystrokes
and steal passwords and other personal information. I use Spybots "Search
and Destroy". It can be downloaded at www.spybot.com for free and it catches
a lot of stuff that other virus checkers miss.

I hope this helps,
Andy

 

In a message dated 7/30/2008 3:53:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
d...@deetroy.org writes:

Does anyone know how to stop these please?  I have Incredimail and a
facility to block and bounce, but they just keep coming in!  I put the words
I want on the blocked senders thingy but they still keep on coming and its
driving me mad!  Any advice gratefully received!  Dee  


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RE: CS>Kidney stones

[Ernie Patai]

Marshall, thank you.

Could you elaborate as to the dosage and intervals of the various methods
you implemented?

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 


-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:50 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney stones

The protocol I used was:

1. Kill the pathogens causing the autoimmune problem. CS, ozonated 
water, magnetic pulsar, zapper, olive leaf extract are all good for 
this, depending on what it is and where.
2. Retrain the T cells with a round of CMO.
3. Heal the joints with Glucosamine/Chondroitin and MSM

Marshall

Ernie Patai wrote:
> Hello Listers,
>
> Would anyone have a protocol on using CMO +
>  Glucosamine/Chondroitin?
> I know some time back there were a few amongst the group who
>  were taking CMO
> and experiencing some amazing results.
>
> 


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RE: CS>Kidney stones

[Ernie Patai]

Thanks Steve, that certainly brings clarity to this. :-)

Ernie Patai 
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-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:12 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Kidney stones


 Cetyl myristoleate.


"Cetyl myristoleate ( CMO ) is the common name for cis-9-cetyl
myristoleate, a compound made in the body of humans and certain animals
by the combination of cetyl alcohol and mysristoleic acid. The rational
for the use of CMO is that it may inhibit the production of inflammatory
prostaglandins and leukotrienes. CMO is a natural medium chain fatty
acid found in certain animals, including cows, whales, beavers, and
mice. As a nutritional supplement it is extracted in a highly purified
from beef tallow and then placed in capsules and tablets. CMO is also
available in creams and lotions for topical application. 
CMO was discovered in 1972 by Harry W. Diehl, Ph.D., a researcher at
the National Institutes of Health. At the time, Dr. Diehl was
responsible for testing anti-inflammatory drugs on lab animals. In order
for him to test the drugs, he first had to artificially induce arthritis
in the animals by injecting a heat-killed bacterium called Freund's
adjuvant. Dr. Diehl discovered that Swiss albino mice did not get
arthritis after injection of Freund's adjuvant. Eventually, he was able
to determine that cetyl myristoleate CMO was the factor present
naturally in mice that was responsible for this protection. When CMO was
injected into various strains of rats, it offered the same protection
against arthritis. It has been proposed that CMO acts as a joint
"lubricant" and anti-inflammatory agent."


-Original Message-
From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney stones

What is CMO please?  Thanks.  Faith G.



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RE: CS>Kidney stones

[Ernie Patai]

Cetyl Myristoleate/ cerasomal-cis-9-cetyl myristoleate: concentrated extract
of the fatty acid from a bovine I believe.


Ernie Patai 
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-Original Message-
From: Faith Gagne [mailto:jitte...@gis.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 12:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney stones

What is CMO please?  Thanks.  Faith G.


- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney stones


> The protocol I used was:
> 
> 1. Kill the pathogens causing the autoimmune problem. CS, ozonated 
> water, magnetic pulsar, zapper, olive leaf extract are all good for 
> this, depending on what it is and where.
> 2. Retrain the T cells with a round of CMO.
> 3. Heal the joints with Glucosamine/Chondroitin and MSM
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Ernie Patai wrote:
>> Hello Listers,
>>
>> Would anyone have a protocol on using CMO +
>>  Glucosamine/Chondroitin?
>> I know some time back there were a few amongst the group who
>>  were taking CMO
>> and experiencing some amazing results.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Ernie
>>  Patai 
>> 416-633-2485
>> yogawither...@rogers.com
>> GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David Bearrow [mailto:chip...@verizon.net]
>>  
>> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 02:30 PM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: Re: CS>Kidney stones
>>
>> Regarding the painkillers, surprisingly, Celebrex
>>  takes away all the 
>> pain without making you feel high during a kidney
>>  stone episode. I 
>> recommend keeping them around if you have this type of
>>  problem.
>>
>>
>>
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>

RE: CS>Kidney stones

[Ernie Patai]

Hello Listers,

Would anyone have a protocol on using CMO + Glucosamine/Chondroitin?
I know some time back there were a few amongst the group who were taking CMO
and experiencing some amazing results.

Thank you.

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 


-Original Message-
From: David Bearrow [mailto:chip...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 02:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney stones

Regarding the painkillers, surprisingly, Celebrex takes away all the 
pain without making you feel high during a kidney stone episode. I 
recommend keeping them around if you have this type of problem.



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RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Getting use to the nauseous feeling is something which you have to ask
yourself. This all depends on whether you can handle it or not.

I was feeling that way for well over 2 weeks when I jump right in and was at
15 drops. I felt tired, crappy, stiff, nauseous; didn't sleep well and felt
I needed to nap after taking it. 

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 08:20 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 


I am up to five drops of MMS now, and I did feel a bit nauseous an hour or
so later when I was out for a walk with the dog.  I also felt a bit 'wobbly'
and broke out in a sweat.  I am not sure if this is because it was so hot
here today though, as I don't function well in heat.  The nauseous bit was
definitely not the heat though.  Should I reduce the dose do you think?  Or
is it just something to get used to?  I am having Vit C in the evening and I
am taking spirulina and kelp also.  Dee 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Dan <mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com>  Nave

Date: 30/07/2008 21:10:27

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 

I felt increasingly wretched until I took some Vit C, sodium

bicarbonate, and ALA.  Also, I could visually see signs of aging in my

face, etc which I had to reverse by taking the above for some time.

This is a similar response of many people, after a time on MMS at a high

dose.  There is some issue here.  Some people are feeling great on it,

however you will notice that most of them are also supplementing with

vitamin C, etc.

 



 

 

 

RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Dee, what you experienced is a result of the MMS; the nauseous feeling is
typical and depending on how toxic you are it varies from person to person.

The wobbly feeling may also be a factor of the heat and the MMS. The MMS may
have just magnified the effects of the heat. I would back off to 4 drops for
a while and then try it again later at 5. Are you mixing the MMS with Citric
acid?

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 08:20 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 


I am up to five drops of MMS now, and I did feel a bit nauseous an hour or
so later when I was out for a walk with the dog.  I also felt a bit 'wobbly'
and broke out in a sweat.  I am not sure if this is because it was so hot
here today though, as I don't function well in heat.  The nauseous bit was
definitely not the heat though.  Should I reduce the dose do you think?  Or
is it just something to get used to?  I am having Vit C in the evening and I
am taking spirulina and kelp also.  Dee 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Dan <mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com>  Nave

Date: 30/07/2008 21:10:27

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 

I felt increasingly wretched until I took some Vit C, sodium

bicarbonate, and ALA.  Also, I could visually see signs of aging in my

face, etc which I had to reverse by taking the above for some time.

This is a similar response of many people, after a time on MMS at a high

dose.  There is some issue here.  Some people are feeling great on it,

however you will notice that most of them are also supplementing with

vitamin C, etc.

 



 

 

 

RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Well, the desired dosage is twice a day so I wonder if you take it during
the 12 hour interval where in between does one take supplementation so that
it doesn't affect the medicinal effect. :-)

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 


-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 04:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS

I felt increasingly wretched until I took some Vit C, sodium
bicarbonate, and ALA.  Also, I could visually see signs of aging in my
face, etc which I had to reverse by taking the above for some time.
This is a similar response of many people, after a time on MMS at a high
dose.  There is some issue here.  Some people are feeling great on it,
however you will notice that most of them are also supplementing with
vitamin C, etc. 

If you take MMS once a day you should be able to supplement some time
after 12 hours of  taking the MMS and 2 to 3 hours before another dose.
If one is taking MMS twice a day, this would be hard to do.

That's why I wrote what I wrote. 

Dan



> -Original Message-
> From: Geoecom [mailto:geoe...@ipa.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:52 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>MMS
> 
> Dan,
> It is very interesting what you said about MMS "depletes your 
> antioxidants, and/or the effects of detox deplete your antioxidants
> 
> I took a full course of MMS (worked up to 15 drops 2 times or 
> 3 times a day I can't remember the protocol) and shortly 
> after my finger joints which I had hit with a hammer in 
> working on machines ect.over the years of farming and 
> repairing equipment started locking up and swell with pain 
> (Arthritis)like I had never had. 
>  I have always had some Arthritis but never quite like this.
> I took 2 rounds of CMO and uped my Flax seed oil and fish oil 
> and Bromelain. I found some natrual pain and inflamation 
> inhibitors and after 2 1/2 months (with the help of this 
> list) I am about pain free. I need to be more regular in CS per day . 
> 
> I think there had to be a relationship between the MMS and my 
> Arthritis. 
> 
> I don't know if anyone else has  had a side effect from MMS.
> IF it was a side effect.
> 
> I still would take it if I had an infection or something it address.
> 
> George
> -Original Message-
> >From: Dan Nave 
> >Sent: Jul 30, 2008 2:18 PM
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: RE: CS>MMS
> >
> >
> >My feeling is that it is absolutely necessary to take some form of 
> >vitamin C, antioxidants, and/or sodium bicarbonate while 
> taking the MMS 
> >especially when trying for the 15 drops twice a day.  In 
> this case you 
> >are using it at high doses for a long period of time and it depletes 
> >your antioxidants, and/or the effects of detox deplete your 
> >antioxidants and make your body acidic.  Otherwise you will note the 
> >changes of antioxidant depletion, and apparent aging.
> >
> >I don't know the best way to do the supplementation, because any of 
> >these is supposed to stop the action of the MMS.  But I do feel that 
> >you must supplement.
> >
> >This has been my experience, and that of many others.
> >
> >Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Ernie Patai [mailto:yogawither...@rogers.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:37 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: RE: CS>MMS
> >
> >
> >
> > 15 drops is the key point for riding yourself of any pathogen.
> >Not to say that if you take less it isn't working. It is, 
> but just much 
> >slower. I used it and did work up to 15 and I did feel herx 
> effect on 
> >my body. You can go to any amount once your body is clean. 
> 15 isn't in 
> >extreme cases. 30 or more is extreme such as malaria or Aids. When I 
> >read through the book I tabed key points for reference to go back to.
> >This is how I found out about the maintenance dosage.
> >
> >
> >
> > The dosage requirements are in the second half of the book.
> >There is no mention of this in the first half. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Ernie Patai
> >
> > 416-633-2485
> >
> > yogawither...@rogers.com
> >
> > GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 08:24 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: RE: CS>MMS
> >
> >
> >
> >Y

RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Peter thank you for the information; that is good to know. I will begin
supplement then with Vit C. and fish oil.

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: Peter Converse [mailto:p...@vif.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 05:40 PM
To: Ernie Patai; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>MMS

 

People on MMS report taking their antioxidants about 12 hours away from the
MMS with continued success. I have seen their posts on the Yahoo group for
MMS as well as on the lymestrategies Yahoo group.

 

 

Blessings,

 

Peter

- Original Message - 

From: Ernie Patai 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:45 PM

Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 

The duration of each dosage lasts 12 hours at a consistency from onset.

If we took Vit C then this would affect the continued effectiveness of the
MMS.

According to the text?

I'm curious now as to how this may differ and if anyone has experienced
anything different then what the manual recommends?

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 


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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 02:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 

RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

The duration of each dosage lasts 12 hours at a consistency from onset.

If we took Vit C then this would affect the continued effectiveness of the
MMS.

According to the text?

I'm curious now as to how this may differ and if anyone has experienced
anything different then what the manual recommends?

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 02:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 

RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Vitimin C supplementation annuls the effectiveness of MMS. In the book it
specifically recommends to not take any Vitamin C except from natural
sources. This is why orange juice is omitted as a mixing agent. This means
mixing the MMS only with Citric Acid, freshly squeezed lime or apple- pure
unsweetened apple juice and a few others. Nothing concentrated or anything
with Vit C added in. The MMS just won't work.

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 


-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 02:18 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS


My feeling is that it is absolutely necessary to take some form of
vitamin C, antioxidants, and/or sodium bicarbonate while taking the MMS
especially when trying for the 15 drops twice a day.  In this case you
are using it at high doses for a long period of time and it depletes
your antioxidants, and/or the effects of detox deplete your antioxidants
and make your body acidic.  Otherwise you will note the changes of
antioxidant depletion, and apparent aging.  

I don't know the best way to do the supplementation, because any of
these is supposed to stop the action of the MMS.  But I do feel that you
must supplement.

This has been my experience, and that of many others.

Dan




 From: Ernie Patai [mailto:yogawither...@rogers.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:37 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CS>MMS



 15 drops is the key point for riding yourself of any pathogen.
Not to say that if you take less it isn't working. It is, but just much
slower. I used it and did work up to 15 and I did feel herx effect on 
my
body. You can go to any amount once your body is clean. 15 isn't in
extreme cases. 30 or more is extreme such as malaria or Aids. When I
read through the book I tabed key points for reference to go back to.
This is how I found out about the maintenance dosage.



 The dosage requirements are in the second half of the book.
There is no mention of this in the first half. :-)



 Ernie Patai 

 416-633-2485

 yogawither...@rogers.com

 GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 







 From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 08:24 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CS>MMS



Yes I have Ernie, but I didn't get all that far in the book; just
realized that it would be a good thing to have in the arsenal, so to
speak.  It does say in the instructions that I got from a so very
helpful seller that I got it from on ebay, to start slow and work up.
For dire cases it  says no more than fifteen drops (eventually) but 
that
is extreme cases.  It didn't say what would be a maintenance dose
though.  Thank you very much for the info.  Dee 



---Original Message---



From: Ernie Patai <mailto:yogawither...@rogers.com> 

Date: 30/07/2008 12:31:32

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CS>MMS



Do you have the MMS website? There is an online book which cost about
10.00. Full of info re: MMS and how to use it.



www.miracleminieral.com <http://www.miracleminieral.com/>  



The book tells me to work up to 6 drops once a day for older people and
twice a week for younger people.



Ernie 



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RE: Re: CS>Nuisance emails

[Ernie Patai]

Hello,

I have probably the best antispam/virus programs out there- Kasperski. Even
it doesn't catch all spam. :-)

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 


-Original Message-
From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:15 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CS>Nuisance emails

My email address was once stolen by some porn spammers from a list I 
posted to. I was furious, tried all kinds of things, but ended up 
having to change my email address. It was a pain.

My email program has a pretty good spam filter, apparently better than 
yours- maybe the price would be worth it?

Kathryn

On Jul 30, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Dee wrote:

> Hi MA.  No, its not the ads I mind as such because if I don't want 
> them, I do as you say and unsubscribe.  It is these blasted Casino 
> ones and Viagra ones that are just one liners that infuriate me!  I 
> have gone into Message Rules and put all the words in that I want 
> blocked but they still arrive in their hords and it just infuriates 
> me!  Incredimail has a Spam filter, but I don't want to buy that just 
> to find that I will still get them.  Many thanks for your help.  Dee
>  
> ---Original Message---
>  
> From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
> Date: 30/07/2008 13:03:18
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Nuisance emails
>  
> Hi Dee.  If the emails that you're referring to are advertisements, 
> then blocking them won't help.  Your email addy is on a list somewhere 
> (or two or three) which is being accessed by multiple advertisers, and 
> each advertiser can have many originating email addys.  So you can 
> block the email addy of the advertisement you just received, but that 
> email addy won't be used again anyway -- another one will.  The best 
> way to stop this is to read through each email to the bottom part 
> where it says *to stop receiving our advertisements, click here*.  
> This will lead you through an unsubscribe process.  This is 
> time-consuming, but eventuallly you will reach every sender and the 
> emails will stop.  I went through this a few months back.  You're 
> right -- it's maddening!!!  MA
>  
>  


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RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Welcome Dee. All the best to her. 

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 08:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 


I think it said fifteen drops twice a day was the max, but as I didn't read
the book I will take it as you say Ernie.  I have a daughter in law whose
mother has ovarian cancer, so I am particularly interested in MMS with this
in mind.  I am taking it myself so hopefully, I don't get to this stage
myself!  Many thanks again.  Dee 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Ernie Patai <mailto:yogawither...@rogers.com> 

Date: 30/07/2008 13:37:52

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 

15 drops is the key point for riding yourself of any pathogen. Not to say
that if you take less it isn't working. It is, but just much slower. I used
it and did work up to 15 and I did feel herx effect on my body. You can go
to any amount once your body is clean. 15 isn't in extreme cases. 30 or more
is extreme such as malaria or Aids. When I read through the book I tabed key
points for reference to go back to. This is how I found out about the
maintenance dosage.

 

The dosage requirements are in the second half of the book. There is no
mention of this in the first half. :-)

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

 



 

 

 

RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

15 drops is the key point for riding yourself of any pathogen. Not to say
that if you take less it isn't working. It is, but just much slower. I used
it and did work up to 15 and I did feel herx effect on my body. You can go
to any amount once your body is clean. 15 isn't in extreme cases. 30 or more
is extreme such as malaria or Aids. When I read through the book I tabed key
points for reference to go back to. This is how I found out about the
maintenance dosage.

 

The dosage requirements are in the second half of the book. There is no
mention of this in the first half. :-)

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

  _  

From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 08:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 


Yes I have Ernie, but I didn't get all that far in the book; just realized
that it would be a good thing to have in the arsenal, so to speak.  It does
say in the instructions that I got from a so very helpful seller that I got
it from on ebay, to start slow and work up.  For dire cases it  says no more
than fifteen drops (eventually) but that is extreme cases.  It didn't say
what would be a maintenance dose though.  Thank you very much for the info.
Dee 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Ernie Patai <mailto:yogawither...@rogers.com> 

Date: 30/07/2008 12:31:32

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 

Do you have the MMS website? There is an online book which cost about 10.00.
Full of info re: MMS and how to use it.

 

www.miracleminieral.com <http://www.miracleminieral.com/>  

 

The book tells me to work up to 6 drops once a day for older people and
twice a week for younger people.

 

Ernie 

 

 



 

 

 

RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Do you have the MMS website? There is an online book which cost about 10.00.
Full of info re: MMS and how to use it.

 

www.miracleminieral.com <http://www.miracleminieral.com/>  

 

The book tells me to work up to 6 drops once a day for older people and
twice a week for younger people.

 

Ernie 

 

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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 07:17 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 


Thanks Ernie.  Dee 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Ernie Patai <mailto:yogawither...@rogers.com> 

Date: 30/07/2008 12:13:08

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: CS>MMS

 

Hello Dee,

 

I believe the dosage for a normal person to maintain good health is 6 drops
once or twice a week.

 

Ernie 

 

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From: m1mar...@aol.com [mailto:m1mar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 07:04 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>MMS

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Are you referring to MMS or CS?

 

Ernie 

 

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From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 07:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>MMS

 


Huh?  Dee 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: m1mar...@aol.com

Date: 30/07/2008 12:04:46

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>MMS

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/30/2008 6:57:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
d...@deetroy.org writes:

Hi all, can anyone tell me what the optimum dose for a detox for a 'normal'
person would be please?  I have taken up to three drops so far without any
ill effects.  Also, does anyone have the MMS list website please?  Many
thanks.  Dee  


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RE: CS>MMS

[Ernie Patai]

Hello Dee,

 

I believe the dosage for a normal person to maintain good health is 6 drops
once or twice a week.

 

Ernie 

 

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From: m1mar...@aol.com [mailto:m1mar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 07:04 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>MMS

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/30/2008 6:57:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
d...@deetroy.org writes:

Hi all, can anyone tell me what the optimum dose for a detox for a 'normal'
person would be please?  I have taken up to three drops so far without any
ill effects.  Also, does anyone have the MMS list website please?  Many
thanks.  Dee  


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FW: CS>Adult onset Stills

[Ernie Patai]

 

 

 

Hi Andy, 

 

I am quite familiar with CS as I have been on the list a few times before. I
purchased quite a few from Ode a couple years back and still make it.

The list has been very helpful and I have learned a great deal from all the
generous and supportive people such as you.

 

For that I am very grateful. Thank you again for getting back to me. :-)

 

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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CS>Adult Onset Stills disease

[Ernie Patai]

Hello everyone,

 

I have been in contact with a homeopathic doctor and she told me she has
treated people with this disease a number of times.

Apparently mycoplasma is the cause for the onset and according to research a
host of symptoms can be experienced.

How CS relates to addressing this I am not sure. I don't have the expertise
to comment on this.

 

If anyone has this disease out there; a hair sample can be sent to this
doctor for analysis to determine if in fact it is this disease and if not
most certainly will be determined as to what it is that you have
specifically.

 

Just FYI.

 

Thank you, 

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

RE: CS>Adult onset Stills

[Ernie Patai]

Andy, thank you so much for the information. I was just overwhelmed with all
that is on the net I couldn't find the info I wanted.

 

Would you know of anyone who has had experience with CS and this disease?
The person I know is in the Middle East so I wouldn't even know how to
address the whole CS issue.

 

Greatly appreciated. :-)

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

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From: ascottsil...@aol.com [mailto:ascottsil...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 09:04 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; yogawither...@rogers.com
Subject: CS>Adult onset Stills

 

Hi Ernie,

 

My search engine came up with the below sites and lots more.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Andy

 

http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

 

http://stillswebsite.tripod.com/aosd.htm

 

http://www.kourir.org/medical/cush.htm

 

In a message dated 7/21/2008 10:35:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
yogawither...@rogers.com writes:

I recently sent out a message to the group asking if anyone has heard of or
experienced a rare disease called "Adult onset Stills."

Could anyone please help? :-)

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 





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RE: CS>lugols and weight

[Ernie Patai]

I recently sent out a message to the group asking if anyone has heard of or
experienced a rare disease called "Adult onset Stills."

Could anyone please help? :-)

Ernie Patai 
416-633-2485
yogawither...@rogers.com
GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 


-Original Message-
From: Roger and Lisa Royal [mailto:rerl...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 01:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>lugols and weight

>From this site:
 
http://www.quailwoodherbal.com/Lugol.html
 
I quote:
 
Precautions 
Sudden, large doses of iodine may impair the production of thyroid hormones,
causing hypothyroidism temporarily in someone with otherwise normal thyroid
function. 
 
Although I was only using 2 drops per day it IS powerful stuff.  Maybe this
is what is happening to those of us who gain weight with lugols
.Just a thought.
 
Lisa


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CS>rare disease- Adult onset Stills.

[Ernie Patai]

Hello Listers,

 

I was wondering if anyone has heard of "Adult onset Stills disease" or
anyone who has had experience with this.

 

I have a friend who has this rare disease over seas which she was recently
diagnosed with.

 

Thank you all.

 

Ernie Patai 

416-633-2485

yogawither...@rogers.com

GoodLife FITNESS CLUBS 

 

RE: CS> ( Milk is not phony ) Raw Milk Diet/Treatment

[Ernie Patai]

Thank you, but I would need someone in Toronto to contact.

Could be anywhere in Canada..lol.

 

I'll also do a google search. :-)

 

Ern

 

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From: Gene Wolfe [mailto:ge...@ix.netcom.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS> ( Milk is not phony ) Raw Milk Diet/Treatment

 

Sorry, I did a Google on "sources for raw milk in canada" and got a bunch of
hits. Here is one:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1976633

It looks like governments think they must protect us and feed us crap. Just
like the FDA here with CS and DMSO.

Sorry,
Gene

At 09:57 AM 2/9/2008, you wrote:



Gene,
 
Do you know of any in Canada more specifically Toronto?
 
Thank you,
 
Ernie
 

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From: Gene Wolfe [ mailto:ge...@ix.netcom.com  ]

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> ( Milk is not phony ) Raw Milk Diet/Treatment
 
Here is a website that helps locate raw milk suppliers:
http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html
Gene

At 10:14 PM 2/8/2008, you wrote:

http://www.modern-diets-and-nutritional-diseases.com/milk-cure.html 
Very interesting, Wayne.  Lots of references to this on the web.
 
I can throw something in here.  When my mother was a teenager (pre-1920s)
she had a stomach ulcer and anaemia.  She went to stay with her grandmother
in Nebo, near Llanrwst, Denbighshire, up in the hills.  Doctor's orders were
that she should be given the milk from one particular cow only (not mixed or
several).  She got better.
 
Thankyou and amen.
Rowena
 

  Read the 1929 article from the Mayo Clinic.

  Seems they gave milk to  300 sick people.

 

RE: CS> ( Milk is not phony ) Raw Milk Diet/Treatment

[Ernie Patai]

Gene,

 

Do you know of any in Canada more specifically Toronto?

 

Thank you,

 

Ernie

 

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From: Gene Wolfe [mailto:ge...@ix.netcom.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> ( Milk is not phony ) Raw Milk Diet/Treatment

 

Here is a website that helps locate raw milk suppliers:
http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html
Gene

At 10:14 PM 2/8/2008, you wrote:



http://www.modern-diets-and-nutritional-diseases.com/milk-cure.html 
Very interesting, Wayne.  Lots of references to this on the web.
 
I can throw something in here.  When my mother was a teenager (pre-1920s)
she had a stomach ulcer and anaemia.  She went to stay with her grandmother
in Nebo, near Llanrwst, Denbighshire, up in the hills.  Doctor's orders were
that she should be given the milk from one particular cow only (not mixed or
several).  She got better.
 
Thankyou and amen.
Rowena
 

  Read the 1929 article from the Mayo Clinic.

  Seems they gave milk to  300 sick people.

 

RE: [!! SPAM] Re: CS>Re

[Ernie Patai]

Try exercise.it works wonders!!!

 

E

 

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From: Dianne France [mailto:dianne_fra...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 5:01 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CS>Re

 

Dee

 

What strengths did you take of the supplements for sciatica?  I am fighting
that hard right now and it is winning.

Turning over in bed at night sometimes is terribly painful from the
sciatica.  The shooting pains are hard to deal with.

 

I take CS and l-lysine but don't know BlockBuster.  Gentle horseback riding
seems to help but figure it stretches something I can't otherwise stretch.
I was trying the protocol of Brooks for arthritis someone shared but can't
take MSM due to sulphur reaction.  The CMO has helped wonderfully but I
don't know if I have taken enough CS daily to kill the pathogens.
Everything suggested so far has helped and I'm hoping maybe you have a key
for the sciatica.  I am regaining my mobility.

 

Dianne

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Dee <mailto:d...@deetroy.org>  

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:45 AM

Subject: RE: CS>Re

 

Well I am not an athlete by any means, but am a 64 year old who has always
enjoyed good health.  I had a bad bout (2 years) of sciatica but managed to
get rid of it using CS and l-lysine, also BlockBuster All Clear.  Now I am
fine, but I had a period of very low energy, plus anxiety which I put down
to stress.  The only health problem I have faced has been constipation,
which has been mostly cured with magnesium, this may have contributed to the
low energy I don't know.  I have been taking the whey for about three months
now and have found my energy levels have improved such a lot that I didn't
realize that I *had* low energy until now!  I also got through without
catching 'flu while all around me succumbed, and I do know it is supposed to
boost immune function.  All I can say is, it has worked for me.  Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Ernie Patai 

Date: 28/01/2008 01:00:48 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: RE: CS>Re 

 

Well I suppose if you are coming from a very bad place anything which is 

Better will aid in recovery. I'm a very healthy person blessed with great 

Genetics. So this is coming from someone who is athletic. I need the edge 

When it comes to performance. I have a bag of whey and I plan to experiment 

More because I don't want to throw it. People have to be careful what 

Products they buy because there are lots of fillers in them and often not 

Mentioned. 

 

 

 


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RE: CS>Re

[Ernie Patai]

Well I suppose if you are coming from a very bad place anything which is
better will aid in recovery. I'm a very healthy person blessed with great
genetics. So this is coming from someone who is athletic. I need the edge
when it comes to performance. I have a bag of whey and I plan to experiment
more because I don't want to throw it. People have to be careful what
products they buy because there are lots of fillers in them and often not
mentioned.

 

-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Re

I am doing really well and feel so much better so will stick with the whey
for now at least.  Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Ernie Patai 

Date: 27/01/2008 18:50:30 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: RE: CS>Re 

 

I've used Whey for a long time when I was body building and training heavy. 

But I found recovery always prolonged. I train differently now and use a 

Hemp based protein drink which I find gets into my system faster therefore 

Shortening the recovery time for my muscles. 

 

Try the other side of the fence .:-) 

 

Ernie 

 


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RE: CS>Re

[Ernie Patai]

Well first off to those who think animal protein doesn't stress the body to
digest is wrong. Plant protein in adequate amounts is superior. Bottom line.

I take a product called "VEGA." You can find this is any health store I
believe. It was created by a pro tri athlete: Brendan Brazier.
I've been experimenting with this for a bit now to see how I feel compared
to whey. Those who say whey is better are just uninformed and should try the
other side of the fence. :-)

Regards,

Ernie

 

-Original Message-
From: jessie70 [mailto:jessi...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:13 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Re

Ernie, how do you take the hemp protein? Jess


 Original Message -
From: "Ernie Patai" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Re


>I have found Hemp Protein to be better then whey.
> More easily digestible, which means less blood to the stomach which means
> less work for the system. :-) Nutrient rich "whole food" in its natural
> state. It has a higher ph than many other proteins which is very important
> and often overlooked. 10 essential amino acids; has the same immune
> boosting
> function as whey. Has natural anti-inflammatory properties; key for
> speeding
> the repair of soft tissue damage caused by physical activity. It is raw
> and
> has natural occurring digestive enzymes which remain intact allowing to be
> used by the body with the greatest of ease. Therefore utilization is
> better
> requiring less protein. This = quality and not quantity. Because of its
> raw
> state hemp maintain their naturally high level of vits, min, fats,
> anti-ox,
> fibre and very alkaline chlorophyll. Not only for muscle regeneration, but
> also fat metabolism.
>
> Ernie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:24 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Re
>
> Whey contains the precursor to glutathione I believe, and boosts the
> immune
> system.  It also helps stop sugar 'spiking' and builds muscle instead of
> fat
>  I am taking it now and have found my energy levels have increased
> significantly. Dee
>
> ---Original Message---
>
>
>
> From: faith gagne
>
> Date: 26/01/2008 21:00:36
>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> Subject: Re: CS>Re
>
>
>
> What do you mean? Who is taking whey and why? Thanks. Faith G.
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: CS>Re

[Ernie Patai]

I've used Whey for a long time when I was body building and training heavy.
But I found recovery always prolonged. I train differently now and use a
hemp based protein drink which I find gets into my system faster therefore
shortening the recovery time for my muscles.

Try the other side of the fence .:-)

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:57 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re

Yes, we cannot get it here either as that is what I would buy for my hubby. 
Not me though, as I can't stand milk and find the whey quite horrible,
although I persevere as I feel better.  Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: bbanever 

Date: 27/01/2008 15:41:01 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Re 

 

Dee, 

 

Another healthy food that contains the precursors to glutathione is raw 

Milk. I give it to my dogs on a daily basis and drink a small amount 

Myself. It isn't available everywhere though. 

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RE: CS>Re

[Ernie Patai]

I have found Hemp Protein to be better then whey.
More easily digestible, which means less blood to the stomach which means
less work for the system. :-) Nutrient rich "whole food" in its natural
state. It has a higher ph than many other proteins which is very important
and often overlooked. 10 essential amino acids; has the same immune boosting
function as whey. Has natural anti-inflammatory properties; key for speeding
the repair of soft tissue damage caused by physical activity. It is raw and
has natural occurring digestive enzymes which remain intact allowing to be
used by the body with the greatest of ease. Therefore utilization is better
requiring less protein. This = quality and not quantity. Because of its raw
state hemp maintain their naturally high level of vits, min, fats, anti-ox,
fibre and very alkaline chlorophyll. Not only for muscle regeneration, but
also fat metabolism.

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:24 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re

Whey contains the precursor to glutathione I believe, and boosts the immune
system.  It also helps stop sugar 'spiking' and builds muscle instead of fat
  I am taking it now and have found my energy levels have increased
significantly. Dee  

---Original Message--- 

 

From: faith gagne 

Date: 26/01/2008 21:00:36 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Re 

 

What do you mean? Who is taking whey and why? Thanks. Faith G. 

 

 


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RE: CS>UFO sighting

[Ernie Patai]

Yup..I suppose so.. :-)

-Original Message-
From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>UFO sighting





 

Ernie 

 

 

Maybe because kids accept what they see and don't try and prove or disprove
it.  They just believe what they saw.  Dee  

 

 


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CS>UFO sighting

[Ernie Patai]

Hello Listers,

 

I don't post often and although is I'm sure will become off topic; I'd like
to share my experience as a 5 year old child.

I had just arrived from overseas landing in Montreal, Canada- 1969. I was
getting a bath from my dad in one of those motels where you share bathrooms
when we started hearing great commotion outside. As he dried me off quickly,
got me dressed and decided to go out; It was dark at this point and raining.
We stood under the awning trying to figure out why everyone had stopped
driving their cars and got out to look up. When we looked up we didn't see
anything at first.

Because I was small all I could see were two walls of buildings acting as a
horizon. Then all of a sudden we heard a loud humming noise coming from over
head and then appeared a "saucer" like shape with a glowing red light
hovering what seemed to me like right over the street. It was unmistakable
because it seemed like it was literally over our heads even though it may
have been hundreds of feet up. Nobody moved. Everyone and their uncles were
outside watching. In as much as the instant it arrived, it' also disappeared
over the horizon of buildings. All I could think of."why doesn't this look
like anything that I know." Like the plane that I just arrived in. So I
asked my dad what was it; he said it was a spaceship. I asked again what was
inside. He told me spacemen.

I couldn't make any reference. 

 

Remarkable or perhaps unremarkable; this story never made the news, or
headlines and was never spoken of the next day, not even by locals.

 

So, I believe they are true, and to this day I can recall the story in
detail as to the events which took place 39 years ago.

 

Why then would a 5 year old remember such an odd event as a kid when there
are so many other things to preoccupy a kids mind.

 

Ernie

 

 

 

 

RE: CS>bladder problems

[Ernie Patai]

I have run into this problem with aging women; that as gravity takes over
the pelvic floor muscle abdominal wall becomes weak and no longer can hold
the organs in place as in youth. Everything moves down which puts pressure
on the lower organs. As a yoga teacher, the uterus dropping is becoming a
more common problem mainly with aging women. This puts pressure on the
bladder seemingly making feel as though it is a bladder issue but as
mentioned, a possible underlying problem being a prolapsed uterus.

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Kirsteen Wright [mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems

On Jan 22, 2008 8:06 PM, samuel albarran  wrote:
> I am new to the list and I have a bad problem with my bladder (woman)
> it started 2 years ago and the Drs. couldnt find an infection, they gave
me
> antibiotics "just in case" but after 3 days I was worse and stopped taking
> them. I have had urinary infections before and I know how they feel, this
is
> different. It hurts but when I go I urinate a lot not like the usual
> infection. The other night I couldn sleep because I had to go so often.
and
> the "pain" continues even after I have gone. Lately it hurts more when I
lie
> down.

I'm not being funny but are you sure the problem is the bladder. It
sounds exactly like a friend of mine and when it was investigated -
they discovered she had a prolapsed womb and that was causing the
problems.

Kirsteen


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RE: CS>MMs hoax or cure?

[Ernie Patai]

Can MMS be bought in Canada?
If so, is there any recommendation as to where; I live in Toronto.

Thank you,

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:07 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>MMs hoax or cure?

sol wrote:
> What exactly do you feel the MMS does that CS cannot do? This is where 
> I don't quite get it.
> I read of people using it for many things that CS or CS/DMSO take care 
> of perfectly well. Why would I use MMS in preference to CS?

There is certainly a lot of overlap between the two.  But there are a 
couple of things the AMMS might do better than CS. First is kill 
parasites, normally CS has no affect on them at all.   Also there are 
areas that AMMS might be able to get into that CS has trouble, such as 
nerve ganglia, the brain, cartlidges, joints and the lymph system.

Marshall
>
> sol
>
> His Child wrote:
>>  I'm taking MMS now and have not been able
>> to feel this good in many years.  I slept only 4 hours
>> last night like a baby and did NOT get any tired
>> letdown feeling all the next day.  I've been taking
>> MMS for a couple of weeks now, and it's a powerful (be
>> careful of not overdoing it) but great health aid.
>>
>>   
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RE: CS>Kidney Stones

[Ernie Patai]

I have done the liver/gall balder cleanse twice and according to the cleanse
and my homeopath; it doesn't disintegrate the stones. It does as mentioned
make the transition from the organs tolerable. Sometimes you can feel them
passing through the gallbladder and liver. What you will find after the
cleanse is the gall/liver stones in the toilet within the stool if any. This
is how you check to see if and how many and what size the stones where to
identify your toxicity. It is required that when you have lots to repeat the
cleanse. The olive oil lubricates and acts as a cleanse while the lemon
juice stimulates bile release from the liver. This is how I understand it;
please correct me if I'm wrong. :-)

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones

Paula Perry wrote:
> Marshall,
> Isn't the mixture of olive oil and lemon juice meant to release
gallbladder
> or liver stones?
>   

 From what I have read it causes both the stones to disintegrate, and 
provides lubricant to allow them to release as well.

Marshall
> Paula
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 10:43 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Kidney Stones
>
>
>   
>> Brenda Cochran wrote:
>> 
>>> Is CS any good for Kidney Stones?  Any natural way to dissolve kidney
>>> stones?
>>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>>   
>> One recommendation is a mixture of olive oil and lemon juice.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
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RE: CS>Guillain-Barr syndrome

[Ernie Patai]

Hi Dianne,

 

I don't know of this syndrome, but you may want to consult with a Homeopath
to see what could be done.

 

Regards,

 

Ernie

 

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From: Dianne France [mailto:dianne_fra...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 7:23 AM
To: silver-list
Subject: CS>Guillain-Barr syndrome

 

 

 

 

Group

 

My son has asked me to write the group in hopes of finding some answers for
a good friend diagnosed with Gullain-Barr Syndrome.  I have "googled" and
"asked" and haven't found much that I could pass on to him.  Doctors aren't
able to help him much so far.  He has had to retire from working but used to
be a very active person.

 

What I have found is that this syndrome possibly came from the results of
vaccines due to mercury (  
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=773137 ).  I found one supplement that
touts results, which is Baritin (

http://www.baritin.com/about.htm?gclid=CMDj64-Uy5ACFQkxgwoddjU5XA ) but I
don't know anything about it.  Hoping some of you know more about this
syndrome and can suggest where to find more information that might help or
treatment suggestions that can be researched.  

 

I believe about ten years back this gentleman had gotten a bacteria during a
spear fishing event and had serious problems.  Not sure it was the flesh
eating or not but he did recovered.  Don't know if this event could have any
bearing since it was so long ago.

 

Appreciate any help you might be able to send our way.

 

Dianne

RE: [!! SPAM] Re: CS>Argyria yes. Other side effects no.

[Ernie Patai]

Yes! We call them "sheep." Who's willing to be the Sheppard? :-)

 

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From: Carol Ann [mailto:saffiresk...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 4:50 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: CS>Argyria yes. Other side effects no.

 

Think this to be they only mindless behavior and belief systems of the
masses?  If one dares to test   belief systems, explore the origination and
history of the festival of christmas.  It really has absolutely nothing to
do with spirituality.  It was originated on international business ideals
going back to the Dickens tales and the Vanderbilt's life style.   Today,
many people go deeper and deeper into credit card debt because of
"tradition". 

Dee  wrote:


Typical David!  Unfortunately, the masses all believe this stuff.  I am
amazed at the amount of people that follow the dictum of the establishment
without question.  Dee 

 

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symptons other than argyria. They couldn't, and in the end simply said that
the doctors diagnosis was good enough for them. I asked 'How can a doctor
make such a diagnosis when theres no research to prove that silver can cause
such a thing?'  They had no answer for that other than "Go away".

David





 

 



 

 

 




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RE: CS>Book

[Ernie Patai]

The one by Kevin Trudeau?

 

  _  

From: Medwith, Robert [mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:24 AM
To: 'cs'
Subject: CS>Book

 

Is that book, Every thing your doctor doesn't want you to know, is the book
any good.

 

 

   Bob

RE: CS>Muscular Dystropy

[Ernie Patai]

Thank you Richard.. :-)

 

  _  

From: Richard [mailto:richardatkin...@terra.es] 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Muscular Dystropy

 

Terry Chamberlain has an amazing testimonial on MS.

On 03/04/2006, at 15:05, Ernie Patai wrote:





Hi,

My sister is seeing a Homeopath. She was taking CS to compliment the other
things she was taking. She is 70% better now and it will be only a matter of
time before she is fully recovered. Someone on here, has documented there
use of CS while recovering from MS. I'm sorry but I lost this information
when my computer crashed some time ago.

 

Ernie

 

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From: brick...@aol.com [mailto:brick...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:28 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Muscular Dystropy

 

I met a person with Muscular Dystrophy down in California. His mother also
has it. Would CS help MS?

I forgot my pass word to my desk top and can't even log on. Using my lap top
to send this note Anyone know how to log on with a lost pass word?.

I put together a 2 gallon CS generator during my trip south and it seems to
be producing some good clear CS. I tried to follow Old Bobs recipe with a
few differences. Wal-Mart changed their two gallon fish tanks to a differnt
style. Hope to get a sample to send to Bob to test.

Brickey





 

RE: CS>Muscular Dystropy

[Ernie Patai]

Hi,

My sister is seeing a Homeopath. She was taking CS to compliment the other
things she was taking. She is 70% better now and it will be only a matter of
time before she is fully recovered. Someone on here, has documented there
use of CS while recovering from MS. I'm sorry but I lost this information
when my computer crashed some time ago.

 

Ernie

 

  _  

From: brick...@aol.com [mailto:brick...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:28 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Muscular Dystropy

 

I met a person with Muscular Dystrophy down in California. His mother also
has it. Would CS help MS?

I forgot my pass word to my desk top and can't even log on. Using my lap top
to send this note Anyone know how to log on with a lost pass word?.

I put together a 2 gallon CS generator during my trip south and it seems to
be producing some good clear CS. I tried to follow Old Bobs recipe with a
few differences. Wal-Mart changed their two gallon fish tanks to a differnt
style. Hope to get a sample to send to Bob to test.

Brickey

RE: CS>CS and my 35 kids in jail

[Ernie Patai]

Faith,

Don't take everything people say so personal. If you truly believe in what
you are doing is helping the good of everyone with sound judgment and
knowledge. It is irrelevant what any one thinks. The same could be said for
the ones making the comments. Anything derogatory mentioned is usually a
reflection of how one sees themselve.

E.

-Original Message-
From: Faith Saint Francis [mailto:faithstfran...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:53 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS and my 35 kids in jail

I received two most wonderful, yet very cold-shower like reactions by Mr. 
Dudley and Mr. Holmes to my message about CS, as  used in my class.
Allow me to remark:
1 I am not in America, nor am I in the US jurisdiction
2 I did NOT present CS as a medicine (or a 'drug' as was suggested; the 
association would be very painful after our attemps to clear the minds of 
our kids from the drugs assault).
3 The parents of the kids concerned know what I am doing, both with CS and 
with Reflexology, so does the head-master of the school where I work.

* Most of all: When a child is in whatever problem, I shall be of service, 
to help and heal, law or no law.

I must say that mentioned remarks about being jailed for doing good made me 
wonder about the worth of going on promoting CS.

Faith St Francis

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RE: CS>Gatorade Alternatives

[Ernie Patai]

Thank you for these alternatives, very helpful.

ernie

-Original Message-
From: Langsley [mailto:it...@kvremcwb.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:05 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Gatorade Alternatives

Hi all.

With all the talk here about the possible benefits of using Gatorade or 
Pedialyte with EIS and the many concerns expressed about Gatorade and  
Pedialyte and their ingredients I thought I would post this offering of 
homemade alternatives to Gatorade or Pedialyte. I originally posted this on 
the SilverPets list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SilverPets/ 
I may have posted it here too but since the archives are down I can't be
sure. 
In any event here it is again for anyone interested in alternatives to 
commercial electrolyte products.

Here are a few formulas for electrolyte solutions you can make at home.
The only one which could be said to be sugar free is the starch based
one.

This first one can be used for enemas and orally. Some of the others may
be usable as enemas as well but this is the only one I'm sure of. It is
advisable to warm to body temperature prior to use.

Boil and cool 4 cups water (Actually I prefer to start with distilled
water)
It will be easier to completely dissolve the dry ingredients if one
starts
with warm water.
Add- 1/2-teaspoon baking soda
- 1/2-teaspoon salt
- 3 Tablespoons sugar
Be sure all of the dry ingredients are fully dissolved and mixed.

Here are a couple more options for homemade electrolyte solutions.

Starch-based Solution

1 quart clean (preferably distilled) water
½ teaspoon table salt
2 oz. (about 1 cup) baby rice cereal

Sugar-based solution

1 quart clean water
½ teaspoon table salt
8 teaspoons sugar

And a couple more.

This recipe may be used in place of an over-the-counter product
(Pedialyte),
IF followed EXACTLY:

3 Tablespoons of Sugar
3/4 teaspoon of Salt
1 Teaspoon of Baking Soda
1 Cup of Orange Juice (I don't use this)
1 Quart of Water.

Pour together and shake well, being certain that all dry ingredients are
fully
dissolved and mixed. (Keep refrigerated and and warm to body temperature
before use and use within 48 hours).

2 quarts water
1-teaspoon baking soda
1-teaspoon salt
7 Tablespoons sugar
1 packet Sugar-Free Kool-Aid
1/2-teaspoon salt substitute

The salt substitute and Kool-Aid are optional. As with the others, store
in the refrigerator and warm to body temperature just prior to use.

Remember too that EIS when mixed with salt produces silver chloride
which is known to be much less effective than genuine ionic silver. However
if 
one is making up one's own homemade electrolyte solution one is free to vary

it to suit the need of the moment. 
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RE: CS>Clean bottles

[Ernie Patai]

You can also use organic vinegar, rinse a couple times with Distilled water,
does the same and better then using soup. 

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Clean bottles

   I often wash out canning jars with "Dawn", rinse really well with hot 
water and triple rinse with distilled.
  I rarely have a problem.
  If you do have a problem, get rid of the jar.  It has something 
impregnated into the glass itself and no amount of washing will remove that.

  I've never been able to get the stale beer smell out of a beer bottle. 
Residue impregnated into the glass may or may not affect the storage of CS.

"Good" Storebought comes in colored vs clear bottles because the common 
myth demands it.
  The package caters to common beliefs rather than any reality.

"Not good", storebought often needs the colors.

ode

At 06:17 PM 12/14/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>  The best colloidal silvers (like Sovereign and Source Natural) come in 
> brown or blue bottles.  Why don't we need them.  I bought some new 
> canning jars to use so how can I clean these without 
> detergent?  Also, if I want to use a beer bottle or something to give 
> some to a friend, how can I wash these out if I can't use 
> detergent?  What about if you rinse verry well?  I'm a fanatic on rinsing 
> anyway.  This is a great group, very active, so glad I found it
>
> 
>Pat!
>
>
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RE: CS>Bottles

[Ernie Patai]

Yes I have noticed that mine does get slightly darker after sitting in
plastic containers. However, I suspect that the lighting plays tricks on us.

-Original Message-
From: Dave and Gwlynda Irek [mailto:bulld...@irek.cbeyond.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:27 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Bottles

Mine CS turns color when stored in distilled water plastic jugs...do yours? 
Gwlynda 

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Bottles

If you are making good stable CS you don't need brown glass bottles, nor do
you need to store it in glass at all.
I store mine in either 2 liter soda bottles or the plastic jugs that
distilled water comes in.
sol

Pat wrote:

>  Where would you buy brown glass bottles to store the CS you've made?
>
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RE: CS>The healing properties of cats

[Ernie Patai]

Well, chanting "OM" can certainly take you in the right direction. But open
oneself to spiritual enlightment? That is a journey unto itself. :-)
By listening to it will have some effect because of exposure. But one has to
"DO." 
Will u ever be a pro ball player sitting in the stands? Oh you'll certainly
know all the stats, the game, even get caught up in the hype of it all. But
will you get up to bat? You need to practice so u can make the team. :-)

E.

-Original Message-
From: Connie Howard [mailto:craehow...@juno.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:34 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The healing properties of cats

Is there any particular type chant or hum.   I know that Ohm  (not sure
how it's spelled) is said to open oneself for spiritual enlightment.  And
does one need to be the chantee to reap those benefits?  Can it occur
just by listening to the chants or hums?

connie


On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:14:26 -0800 "bbanever" 
writes:
> On that same note (no pun intended) chanting and humming will create 
> large 
> amounts of nitric oxide in the body which will destroy almost any 
> form of 
> virus or bacteria.  Must be done for an hour at a time.
> 
> Cheers.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "V" 
> To: "Jonathan B. Britten" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>The healing properties of cats
> 
> 
> > Hi Jonathan,
> >
> > Reason cats heal bones is becaues they purr the frequency of the 
> purring 
> > is designeod to make starng bones and keep muscles in tone. Can be 
> 
> > duplicated with jsut the sound. no need for the cat.
> > Search cat purr
> >
> >
> >
> > Take care,
> > V
> >
> >
> >> One leading medical researcher has devoted his career to the 
> theory
> >> that toxoplasm gondii, from cats, particularly their excrement, 
> is a
> >> leading, though not sole, cause of schizophrenia.The recent 
> issue
> >> of Esquire features an article about this MD.   Those who are
> >> interested will find it readily enough.   Bottom line:  cats (and 
> dogs)
> >> kept in the house pose risks to their owners.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Saturday, Dec 10, 2005, at 00:49 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley 
> wrote:
> >
> >>> This is an interesting site that discusses the healing 
> properties of
> >>> cats.
> >>> Apparently there is an old saying among vets: "Put a cat in a 
> room
> >>> with a
> >>> bunch of broken bones, and the bones will heal."
> >
> >>> http://www.derki.com/ingilizce/firstissue/cats.html
> >
> >>> Site has some of the cutest cat photos I have ever seen as 
> well.
> >
> >>> Marshall
> >
> >
> >
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RE: CS>The healing properties of cats

[Ernie Patai]

If I'm not mistaken, isn't toxoplasm also responsible for autism. I believe
my homeopath mentioned this before to me.

-Original Message-
From: Nenah Sylver [mailto:ne...@bestweb.net] 
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The healing properties of cats

>From Jonathan B. Britten:
> One leading medical researcher has devoted his career to the theory  that 
> toxoplasm gondii, from cats, particularly their excrement, is a
 leading, though not sole, cause of schizophrenia.

---
From: Connie Howard

>I really think that medical researcher needs to have his head examined.
> He must be having his researched funded by the government they seem to
> want to spend money on anything.

---
I don't know about cat excrement specifically, but it IS true that 
mycotoxins from various microbes pass the blood-brain barrier, thus paving 
the way for all sorts of infections. Since the brain is the seat of emotions

as well as sensory input and motor control and thinking, the idea of 
schizophrenia being caused by a microbe isn't so far fetched. People in the 
Rife field have known about the microbial involvement for years.

Though there are other places I would look than cat's asses  ;-)

Nenah 


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RE: CS>Get rid of Aluminum

[Ernie Patai]

You guys are crazy!!! Hahahaha..

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:15 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Get rid of Aluminum

NO NO!  Eat RAW food!
 Parasites will love ya.
 It's good to be loved.

 Hey Chuck, let's go eat an airplane.
Uh...a parked one this time.

 A sit down meal, slow roasted on asphalt.
 Fast food is OK now and then...but, right now, I have the rest of my life
to savor it.

Ode
>
>
>More and more it appears to me that obsessiveness and the anxiety it
>causes is the greater hazard.
>
>I mean really, we should all be dead now, if all of these cautions
>were as important as we try to make them out to be!
>
>   Chuck
>The lunatic fringe begins here
>

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RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

http://cgi.ebay.com/VISION-WARE-CORNING-PYREX-VISION-S-COOKWARE-10PC-SET_W0Q
QitemZ4423813030QQcategoryZ66747QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

This item set looks very nice but a little bit more then what I expected
56.00 USD.

 

-Original Message-
From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware

 

In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:48:06 AM Central Standard Time,
epa...@sympatico.ca writes:

I saw a set on e-bay for approx 15.00( complete set) corning Pyrex. Grab it
while you can. It's amber colour transparent.

I looked on Ebay -- the only thing I saw for $15.00 was one single saucepan
with lid.  Can you direct me to the set for $15.00?  Man -- the prices on
these are high!!!MA

RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

Ok that was the set I saw earlier today.. WOW! Bidding started at 14.00 and
change now it's at 56.00 after 9 bids. I still think it's a great buy. I
think I probably paid about half in fairly good to very good condition. 

 

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From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware

 

In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:48:06 AM Central Standard Time,
epa...@sympatico.ca writes:

I saw a set on e-bay for approx 15.00( complete set) corning Pyrex. Grab it
while you can. It's amber colour transparent.

I looked on Ebay -- the only thing I saw for $15.00 was one single saucepan
with lid.  Can you direct me to the set for $15.00?  Man -- the prices on
these are high!!!MA

RE: CS>Metal cookware

[Ernie Patai]

Hahahaha.you are funny! :-)

 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:06 PM
To: silver-list
Subject: CS>Metal cookware

 

Listers, Your comments about stainlesss steel is off the wall. !!! :-(

 

Most stainless steel cookware is 316 stainless so stop worrying about it.

 

If you drink city water or well water you get more junk than you will every
get from your cookware.

 

I suggest that you get a new topic to beat to death.

 

"Ole Bob"

RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

Ma, here is something I stumbled across regarding Corning ware. It is a data
sheet by corning glass ware. I quickly went through it and I believe when
the material ( pyrex) reaches a temp of 700C it begins to melt and thus
giving off toxicity. Have a look. I personally don't feel one should be
alarmed by this because nothing on the stove in my experience has ever
reached such temperatures. Not even in the oven.

 

http://www.corning.com/lifesciences/technical_information/techdocs/007740.as
p

 

Btw, still trying to find that info, when I do I'll sent it your way.

 

E.

 

 

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From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware

 

In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:48:06 AM Central Standard Time,
epa...@sympatico.ca writes:

I saw a set on e-bay for approx 15.00( complete set) corning Pyrex. Grab it
while you can. It's amber colour transparent.

I looked on Ebay -- the only thing I saw for $15.00 was one single saucepan
with lid.  Can you direct me to the set for $15.00?  Man -- the prices on
these are high!!!MA

RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

Well, the only one amber coloured cookware I know of is Corning "Pyrex." I
haven't heard anything negative about this product.

 

E.

 

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:16 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware

 

Old yellow glazed pottery use to contain uranium.  Made dandy sources for
testing radiation counters until they started monitoring the people when the
leave facilities, so anyone who had handled any would set the alarms off. 

Marshall 

Jim Holmes wrote: 

I have a lot of glass cookwear  Someone told me that some of it, the Amber
colored, in particular, contains some metal.  Does anyone know about that? 

-Original Message- 
From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:27 AM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware 

Hey Sol -- have you considered glass cookware?  I can't think of any reason
why it wouldn't be safe.  My next set of pots and pans will be glass ones.
MA

RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

Sometimes food sticks to the bottom, even while cooking in water. Pasta is a
great example. So when cooking pasta, it has been my experience to stir
frequently until is becomes soft enough so that sticking stops. If this is
missed it's a real B**CH to scrap off. So next step would be to soak pan or
pot with hot water ti'll caked on food comes loose. My used set which I
bought shows signs of scrubbing, with some sort of abrasive, ( scower pad )
most likely. Little elbow grease and some patience usually gets the job
done. Nothing comes without some effort. We live is a "fast" paced society
where everything we do we want immediate gratification or a quick cleanup.
:-) As for toxicity of glass, I haven't come across any information to
support this. If anyone does, please don't hesitate to put on the list.
Thanks

 

ernie

 

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From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware

 

In a message dated 12/8/05 9:21:30 AM Central Standard Time,
grace1...@aol.com writes:





It may be safe to cook with glass, but it is MISERABLE TO CLEAN UP
AFTERWARDS!  



Is that right?  In what way, please?  MA

RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

Yes have found it to be a pain when something burns on it. I mostly use the
glass pots for cooking or warming food up. You would think, spraying with
cooking oil would make it easier, but, isn't good to heat any type of oil
including cooking oil because it changes the properties of the oil making it
carcinogenic. Using coconut oil would be best, this from what I have come to
understand, is stable under high temperatures.

 

Ernie

 

 

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From: grace1...@aol.com [mailto:grace1...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 10:16 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware

 

It may be safe to cook with glass, but it is MISERABLE TO CLEAN UP
AFTERWARDS!  Maybe it should be sprayed with a cooking oil or something else
to make the cleanup easier.

 

Jill

RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

I saw a set on e-bay for approx 15.00( complete set) corning Pyrex. Grab it
while you can. It's amber colour transparent.

My mom happened to find a guy in Oshawa flea market on the out skirts of
Toronto who had a few sets so I grabbed them up. Used yes, in great shape
though.

 

Do a google search: Corning pyrex.

 

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From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware

 

In a message dated 12/7/2005 5:07:11 PM Central Standard Time,
epa...@sympatico.ca writes:

I've learned to play it safe and happen to find me some Corning cookware.
It is apparently rare nowadays to source it.

Well dang!  I just checked the Corning and Corningware websites, and no
cookware to be found.  Now I'm gonna have to start checking the flea markets
and antique malls.  It didn't occur to me that it couldn't be purchased new.
MA

RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

Is there any information out "there" to support this claim?
Not to have doubt, I'm just very curious.

E,

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

I do not use Teflon.  My understanding is that when it is heated very hot,
it breaks down to yield Sarannerve gas. 

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Aluminum cookware

Speaking of aluminum cookware, just try to find any. Uncoated with 
teflon, I mean. I am beginning to wonder if some of my problems are from 
nickel leaching from stainless steel, though I'm very carefu, never 
scour the pans, etc. I'd like to get an aluminum pan but can no longer 
find any.
Most of the anodized ones I've seen all have teflon linings and I'd 
simply rather not use that. I haven't thrown out my pans that do have 
teflon, but I don't really see the need for it in ordinary saucepans. 
And none of it that I've had in any pan ever aged well.
sol

Jim Holmes wrote:

> My point is that the presence of a large amount of a substance near 
> the surface of the earth does not have a necessary relationship to its 
> toxicity. 
>
>  
>
> Iron is very toxic.  When small children eat overdoses of ordinary 
> multiple vitamins, they may die from the iron.
>
>  
>
> I have yet to see an argument regarding aluminum that is convincing 
> one way or the other, but I have not used it for cook wear for years.
>
>  
>


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RE: CS>Aluminum cookware

[Ernie Patai]

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Aluminum cookware

Speaking of aluminum cookware, just try to find any. Uncoated with 
teflon, I mean. I am beginning to wonder if some of my problems are from 
nickel leaching from stainless steel, though I'm very carefu, never 
scour the pans, etc. I'd like to get an aluminum pan but can no longer 
find any.
Most of the anodized ones I've seen all have teflon linings and I'd 
simply rather not use that. I haven't thrown out my pans that do have 
teflon, but I don't really see the need for it in ordinary saucepans. 
And none of it that I've had in any pan ever aged well.
sol

I've learned to play it safe and happen to find me some Corning cookware.
It is apparently rare nowadays to source it. I've looked everywhere, and
oddly enough my mother found a guy selling used cookware at a flea market in
really great condition. I now try using glass (pyrex?) as much as possible.
Anything else I cook is in metal pots with porcelain coating.

e. 



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RE: CS>

[Ernie Patai]

Isn't there a silver list for children? (Grin)
I thought there might be one set up. Oh wait. Sorry got that confused with
the archives.

E.

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:53 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>

Do you have any idea what he is claiming is slanderous?  Sounds like he
realizes
he cannot win with merits to his position, so he is threatening a lawsuit to
me.

Marshall

Jim Holmes wrote:

> I received the below from Jonathan Campbell.
>
> In order to save the list from any harassment from this person, I
apologize
> for calling Jonathan Campbell, an "Asshole", without admitting any
> wrongdoing in expressing that opinion.
>
> Jim Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:44 AM
> To: Jim Holmes
> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials
>
> Mr. Holmes,
>
> Please send me your address so that my lawyer may serve you with a
lawsuit.
> (You provided ample evidence of slander in your email message to me.)
> Alternatively, you may avoid legal action if you send a formal apology for
> your slander to the silver listserver (and to me, obviously) and provide
> evidence that you have done so.
>
> If you do neither of the above, I will find your address from public
> records.
>
> Sincerely
> Jonathan Campbell
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jim Holmes" 
> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" 
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:04 PM
> Subject: RE: Silver Testimonials
>
> > Wow, this guy seems brain dead!  He does NOT know high school chemistry,
> > and
> > is trying to impeach citations that do! Looks like he does not want any
> > contrary information to what he is (being paid for?) distributing,
whether
> > it be the truth or not.  There are many many errors and false statements
> > in
> > what he writes.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Jim Holmes wrote:
> >
> >> Hello listers,
> >>
> >> I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without
> >> comment, that had been offered by some of you.  I made no editorial
> >> comment at all, and never said anything critical about his position,
> >> only offered some different data.
> >>
> >> This is his response.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM
> >> To: Jim Holmes
> >> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials
> >>
> >> Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any
> >> public medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself.
> >> The ones I cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or
> >> silver nitrate.
> >>
> >> Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver
> >> is partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble
> >> metal like gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in
> >> vivo (inside the human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause
> >> cancer. (A citation for silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic
> >> ionic silver. It makes little difference what the negative ion is -
> >> nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in solution the negative ions
> >> dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high
> >>
> >> school chemistry.)
> >>
> >> Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic
> >> silver
> >>
> >> should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to
> >> neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You
> >> are mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting
> >> a refined metallic substance that was never intended for consumption
> >> ever and was locked in the ground until people started using it for
> >> coinage into this complex system. If you know anything about
> >> homeostatisis, you will know that
> >>
> >> this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up.
> >>
> >> (And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll
> >> report you as a harassment spammer.)
> >>
> >> Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological,
> >> ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch
> >> Otorhinolaryngol 1986;243(4):260-4
> >>
> >>   "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and
> >> neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble
> >> compound
> >> (Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease"
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Jim Holmes" 
> >> To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" 
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM
> >> Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org]
> >> > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM
> >> > To: Jim Holmes
> >> > Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials
> >> >
> >> > Hi Jim:
> >> >
> >> > I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human
> >> > tissues that show metallic silver 

RE: CS>mycoplasma

[Ernie Patai]

Hi Betsy,

Go here: http://tinyurl.com/4h8b9

This will tell u pretty much what you need to know. :-)
Mycoplasma isn't something that should be in the body. We were exposed to
it, and as a result we develop a host of problems over time along with
whatever life deals us. Check it out.

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Betsy Coffey [mailto:latimergi...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:42 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>mycoplasma

HI Ernie, I thought that mycoplasma was a bacterium?
It is interesting the different theories about ms.  I
have heard that it is caused by the same virus as
chicken pox,shingles and herpes. 



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RE: CS>CS and sleep

[Ernie Patai]

I do if I take it too close to bed time.

-Original Message-
From: Faith Saint Francis [mailto:faithstfran...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:31 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS and sleep

Hi Forum!
I asked a question about CS before sleeping .. if it disturbs the normal 
sleeping cycle .. and did not get any reaction?
Mebbe now I will?
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RE: CS>MS and CS

[Ernie Patai]

Hello,

My sister has MS and when she visited the homeopath, it was confirmed she
had a bacterium bercellias (not sure of spelling). This is contracted by
eating beef that is fed by using dead animal remains. The bacteria develops
in the bovine and it lives in it's body ti'll something or someone consumes
the beef. One other virus which she has is Mycoplasma. This really isn't a
virus but a genetically engineered chemical, once exposed to it ( GOD only
knows how )leads to the myelin sheets deterioration. Thus begins the
symptoms of what is called "MS" IT can lie dormant for as much as 30 years
before any symptom are noticed. Symptoms are usually triggered by severe
stress to the body, mind or spirit.
Both these are confirmed to exist and only a select few homeopaths have got
their hands on samples so they can use these samples as a means to rid the
patients body.

Regards,

Ernie

  

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:28 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>MS and CS

See if they are taking aspertame or neutrasweet.  Most MS is actually
misdiagnosed Rumsfields disease, and can be halted, or even reversed by
discontinuing consuming this neurtoxin.

Marshall

Teri Johnston wrote:

> A good friend of mine asked for info about any alternative methods of
> treating MS.  So,  Terry C. I shared the two files you have in the
> folder you sent me several yrs ago (thanks again) is there any other
> things that anyone knows of?  Is there anyone of the list who has MS
> and is treating it alternatively?
>
> TIA
> Teri
>
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RE: CS>MS and CS

[Ernie Patai]

Yes, my sister has MS and she is being treated by a homeopath doctor using
Isopathy as the treatment. She is also taking CS along with her treatment.
At this point in time she got another flare up and needed to get steroids to
bring it under control. Once she is done which will be about 2 weeks she
will resume her treatment and CS. It was advised to stop treatment while on
steroids just to make sure there would be no adverse effects. After almost a
year of mostly consistent treatment she is approx 40% better then last year.
According to the homeopath and from files of patients she has revealed to
me, it took anywhere from 6 months to 1 year for them to heal. PERMANENTLY!
Of course not everyone is the same so it varies. My sisters case if
obviously not the common denominator. She will probably take another year at
the rate she is healing. But who knows.

Best wishes,

ernie


Teri,
I have had MS since 1962, but I have used CS since 2000, and for all
practical purposes, I consider myself 90% cured.  I have had 3 MRI's since,
and each one has shown NO NEW ACTIVITY.  I would consider that cured since
they now say that MS is constantly attacking the Central Nervous system.  I
have improved about 90%  strictly by using CS in the five years and am
better than I was 20 years ago.
Nancy
- Original Message - 
From: "Teri Johnston" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: CS>MS and CS


> A good friend of mine asked for info about any alternative methods of
> treating MS.  So,  Terry C. I shared the two files you have in the
> folder you sent me several yrs ago (thanks again) is there any other
> things that anyone knows of?  Is there anyone of the list who has MS
> and is treating it alternatively?
>
> TIA
> Teri
>
>




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RE: CS>fibromyalgia

[Ernie Patai]

Cupping is a technique used by naturopaths. It is a glass cylinder with a
pump attached to the back which allows a vacuum to be created between the
ring surface of the glass and skin. When the desired vacuum is created it
begins to draw blood vessels to the surface of the skin bringing blood into
the muscle fibre. To promote circulation in the area. Looks like a large
hickey.

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 8:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>fibromyalgia

What is cupping?
sol


Kate Strong wrote:

> I find cupping really good for mild fibro.
>
> Kate



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RE: CS>fibromyalgia

[Ernie Patai]

There is treatment that can take it away, would take about a month or so.
Homeopath is required.

 

Ernie

 

-Original Message-
From: Ken & Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:32 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>fibromyalgia

 

Bill,

I heard on another site that Guifanesin (the expectorant drug they put in
cough and cold syrups) is supposed to be really helpful with Fibro, although
I have not checked it out myself yet, but I had never heard of that
treatment before.

-Ken Bagwell


Bill Amos  wrote:

Hello:

 

In August, my daughter lost the use of her left hand, wrist and arm and 2
weeks later she lost the use of both legs.

She slowly got the use of her legs ba! ck by the end of September and in the
past few weeks she has started getting the feeling and movement back in her
left arm. She has had a total body mri with contrast, eeg, emg,

ct scans and a spinal tap. The neurologist says it all stems from
fibromyalgia, which she has suffered with for quite a few years. He was her
second opinion neurologist. She takes colloidal silver and for the pain she
includes colloidal gold. She was taking colloidal platinum for energy but
says her body can't keep up with the effects she gets from the colloidal
platinum. Today her family doctor told her she thinks it's more than the
fibro. 

Has anyone had any similar experiances and if so any successful releif ?

 

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RE: CS>FW: Silver Testimonials

[Ernie Patai]

Jim, even though "this person" may have made the comment as such, please try
and refrain from feeding into his "needs." It doesn't make matters better
for us list subscribers. Further more it doesn't make the situation any
better to retaliate. He is obviously not aware of the conditions stipulated
or simply doesn't care about the list rules.

We treat ourselves negatively enough, that we don't need reminders from
others. If he wants to be that way, let him. We can't all be a smart as him.
;) so perhaps we need others with more patience.

Regards,

Ernie.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>FW: Silver Testimonials

Hello listers,

I sent this Asshole a simple quote of some current references, without
comment, that had been offered by some of you.  I made no editorial comment
at all, and never said anything critical about his position, only offered
some different data.  

This is his response. 

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Campbell [mailto:w...@cqs.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:24 AM
To: Jim Holmes
Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials

Look, this is getting ridiculous. Get the RTECS CD, or go to any public 
medical library and look at it, and get the citations yourself. The ones I 
cited are for METALLIC silver, not silver chloride or silver nitrate.

Furthermore, anyone with any biochemical knowledge knows that silver is 
partially soluble in saline, acid, and base. It is not a noble metal like 
gold or platinum. Therefore it will emit silver ions in vivo (inside the 
human body) and ionic silver is cited to cause cancer. (A citation for 
silver nitrate is a citation for inorganic ionic silver. It makes little 
difference what the negative ion is - nitrate, chloride, etc. - because in 
solution the negative ions dissociate from the metal ion. This is basic high

school chemistry.)

Finally, the Silver Institute has been quoted as saying that metallic silver

should not be ingested because having bits of conductive metal next to 
neurons and nerve tissue is not a good idea. Don't you understand? You are 
mucking with a sensitive, complex physiology, and you are putting a refined 
metallic substance that was never intended for consumption ever and was 
locked in the ground until people started using it for coinage into this 
complex system. If you know anything about homeostatisis, you will know that

this is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Don't be stupid. Wake up.

(And stop sending me emails. If I get anything more from you, I'll report 
you as a harassment spammer.)

Westhofen M, Schafer H., Generalized argyrosis in man: neurotological, 
ultrastructural and X-ray microanalytical findings., Arch Otorhinolaryngol 
1986;243(4):260-4

  "Our findings indicate that the affinity of silver for membrane and 
neuronal structures and the deposition of silver as an insoluble compound 
(Ag2S) induce the progression of clinical disease"



- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Holmes" 
To: "'Jonathan Campbell'" 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: FW: Silver Testimonials


>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason E [mailto:resea...@silvermedicine.org]
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:34 PM
> To: Jim Holmes
> Subject: Re: Silver Testimonials
>
> Hi Jim:
>
> I am aware of several studies done on metallic silver and human tissues
> that show metallic silver is not carcinogenic.
>
> Stating that AGNO3 and metallic silver are the same is not correct, in
> ANY sense.
>
> Furst and Schlauder, as an example, stated in 2003 that silver was not
> carcinogenic.  The RTEC for silver chloride and potassium chloride, as
> another example, confirm that even silver chloride is non-carcinogenic.
>
>
http://www.seabird.com/pdf_documents/msds_sheets/EMD-PotassiumChlorideAndSil
> verChloride.pdf
>
> THe EPA and every risk study that I've viewed show no carcinogenic
> effect of isolated silver.
>
> As far as silver nitrate?  I wouldn't allow this substance to touch my 
> body.
>
> Take a look:
>
> http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0099.htm
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jason
>
> Jim Holmes wrote:
>> Jonathan Campbell [w...@cqs.com],
>>
>>
>>
>> Has posted at his website that metallic silver is a Carcinogen.  When I
>> mailed him for his citation(s) he responded with this.
>>
>>
>>
>> When I searched for the RTECS, I was asked to pay to acces the data,
>> although it is run by the United States Government.  I have requested
>> information on the cost to access the database.  In the meantime, can
>> any respond to the following.
>>
>>
>>
>> What does any of this mean?  The following is Campbell's response to my
>> question.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances, 1979 print
>> edition
>>
>>
>>
>> metallic silver
>>
>> rat-neo Cancer Research, 16,439, 56
>>
>> mouse-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55
>>
>> rat-car Naturwissenschaften 42,75,55
>>
>>
>>
>> silver nitra

RE: CS>Magnets and digestion

[Ernie Patai]

Hello,

Interesting read regarding the issue on magnetic poles. If the issue with
positive magnets speeds up healing by sending the energy to where the injury
is problem is, then would this also apply to any injury. For example,
Muscle fiber? Scar tissue from a pulled or torn hamstring? I'd love to hear
more about this. Been dealing with these injuries now for some time and
tried everything to get the scarring out. 

Regards,

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: 4optimallife [mailto:4optimall...@rogers.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Magnets and digestion

Hi Terry

I would use the positive pole of a magnet with great caution.  I sell the 
negative pole magnetic sleep pads and don't know a lot about small magnets 
except that you use the positive pole with caution.  It does "speed things 
up".  The brain interprets the positive pole magnetic energy as an injury to

the body and sends its healing energy down to where the "injury" is.  That 
is why the magnetic sleep pads going on top of the mattress are not good for

you.

It might be better to ask why you are suffering from constipation stress 
etc,

Kallie Miller
www.4optimallife.com;
4optimall...@rogers.com ;

 



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RE: CS>Brown-sequard syndrome

[Ernie Patai]

Sounds like Multiple sclerosis to me.?

I would strongly suggest seeing a homeopathic doctor who uses a technique
which reads frequencies of the body to figure out what is causing her
symptoms;

usually some bacterium or virus invading her system which under normal
testing is undetectable.

 

Best wishes.

 

Ernie

 

-Original Message-
From: Linda Hefferman [mailto:lindahef...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:17 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Brown-sequard syndrome

 

Hello fellow cs or eis users.  I am writing to see if anyone on this list
can shed any information on the subject of brown-sequard syndrome and I am
also wondering if cs would be of any help.  My daughter's friend has been
diagnosed with this syndrome recently and up until now has been very
healthy.  She was having problems walking and was hospitilized for a while.
They did an mri and told her she had lesions on her spine and also on her
brain.  They said they will have to wait to see if she has any further
episodes before they and positively identify what is going on with her.

 

I have been doing some research on the internet, but find there are a lot of
blank spaces that are left unanswered.  The girl who has been recently
diagnosed said she is returning to work tomorrow, but she really has to
concentrate when it comes to walking.  She said her leg actually feels numb.
They want! ed to start her on steriods, but so far she has said no to that
option.  She is just 25 and I am hoping that she will have a positive
outcome to all of this.   I am not exactly sure what a lesion is, sounds to
me like some kind of sore or wound, but I do wonder if colloidal silver
would be of any help.  Since she also has a brain lesion I do not think that
cs would be able to get to that part of her body, even if it would help.
Maybe this is where DMSO could be of some use???

 

If there is anyone out there with any answers could you please email me at
lindahef...@yahoo.caIf there is any information out there that would
help this girl then I will be happy to pass it on to her.  Right now, she is
having a struggle just coming to terms with the information she has been
given and I do not believe she is ready to start doing her own research at
the moment.

 

Thank you and good health to all

 

 

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RE: CS>Dog with seizures

[Ernie Patai]

Would someone be so kind as to explain to me what Lobelia Tincture is?
Any what it's many uses are?

Many thanks,

ernie

-Original Message-
From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:54 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com; feather...@netscape.net
Subject: CS>Dog with seizures

I cured a veterinarian's Dachund of seizures with one treatment of Lobelia
Tincture, that I make myself...The vet said it was a "spontaneous
remission"  (r i g h t)  The dog never had another oneI told this to
my vet who is a Chinese Herbalist and uses acupuncture on dogs and
animalsHe took some from me and gave me credit on my bill..  He
later said he had the same experience with some of his patients...I
don't know if the tinctures you can buy will do the same thing. but check
out Dr. Christopher's website and see if he has anyIf you can't find any
let me know and I'll send you some.

 



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RE: CS>thanks and nano questions

[Ernie Patai]

Hey Dan,

That would be right. I pay 5 dollars for 18.5 litre jug which is almost 5
gallons. Actually works out to 1.25 a gallon, that's a Canadian gallon. :-)

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:38 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>thanks and nano questions

Many people pay almost a dollar for a gallon of distilled water, 
so that price would be a bit low...

Dan




You wrote:

>>>  11/21/2005 8:37:48 AM >>>

...wish you could put it in walmart for a dollar a gallon:) 


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RE: CS>vericose veins/spider veins

[Ernie Patai]

Nancy, I dug this e-mail up from a bunch I have saved.

Could you please elaborate on the procedure you used to reduce the
condition. Greatly appreciated.

Ernie

-Original Message-
From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:25 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>vericose veins/spider veins

I can tell you that I have been dong this for abut 6 weeks and the veins are
completely flat.  They do not bulge out at all, and the area is getting
lighter in color
Nancy
- Original Message - 
From: "Ernie Patai" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: CS>vericose veins/spider veins


> Hi Nancy,
>
> Does this procedure clear up Varicose veins or does it just mask it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ernie
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nancy DeLise [mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net]
> Sent: September 26, 2005 12:13 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>splitting fingernails
>
> Put some CS & DMSO on your varicose veins twice a day.  They will get
> better. (Give it some time to show).
> Nancy
>
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RE: CS>Colloidal Silver LOL

[Ernie Patai]

Well, that dr. is a quack! What else can we say..
With that being said, he is where he's suppose to be; quackwatch.

-Original Message-
From: Kelburn Koontz [mailto:kelbur...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Colloidal Silver LOL


Hi I just found this page, I thought it might pique your interest.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

I for one am sick of the GD mega-corps that think they can control every 
aspect of the consumer's life with their weasley ways.  It up to people like

us to do the right things for ourselves and maybe others will follow suit.  
It is money and it's ever-present bedfellow GREED that is killing this 
planet and weakening all species with horrible pollution.  Ok that's my rant

for the day.

Keep on fighting the good fight!!!

Kel



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RE: CS>Re: CS for varicose veins

[Ernie Patai]

Hi , do you have any information substantiated this claim you heard of?

 

Regards,

 

Ernie

 

 

Colloidal copper or about three chelated copper capsules a day plus a
suggested dose of full spectrum Vitamin E like the kind at lifeforceplan.com
should cure this in a few months from what I've heard. No herbs, no
procedures[although I enjoy skin brushing also], just two common isolated
nutrients. Also I would suggest that you drink plenty of pure water to aid
in circulatory function. I haven't read the other posts so once again if I
am being redundant I apologize.

If you try, let me know how it works okay?

 

-Liam

RE: CS>[List Owner] Hi gang!

[Ernie Patai]

Hey Mike!!!

So nice to see you're still around. Had some people on hear comment
questionable about the quality of the list topics. I had written you but
that would explain why I haven't received any response back. :-)

I am glad you are still with us because for a while there I thought we had
lost you, left without a captain with this ship drifting within this ocean
we call the internet. Good to see you are still watching over us..lol

Most sincerely,

Ernie 

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Hi gang!

Hello everybody, and welcome to our several newcomers!  

Just to answer a few questions and comment on some things...  

I've just discovered that there's been a glitch at Eskimo that's caused 
some of my outgoing mail to disappear. If you've requested individual 
help from me over the last 3 days or so and have not received a reply 
from me, please contact me again. I've learned of a temporary 
workaround that allows me to send mail again, and have notified support 
about the problem.

As far as I can tell it's not causing any problems for the rest of you.




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RE: CS>she died

[Ernie Patai]

-Original Message-
From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:utahpug...@izikoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 5:57 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>she died

Dear List friends,
 Well, I just learned that my best friend Debra died of liver cancer on 
Monday. She was only 54.
She did use CS for some things, but she was an RN and of course, fell 
for the allopathic doctors` lines.
She tried chemotherapy,  which so wiped out her intestines that she 
couldn`t eat or drink anything for days. Only the IV gave her anything 
at all.
Her pain was intense. I`m glad she is no longer suffering.
I so wish she had believed me.
  I miss her. She was a true friend to me.
Marshalee


Very sorry to hear that Marshalee; I've lost a few friends to cancer,
And wished I had known about all this prior to losing them. Had they've
known would they have believed, we'll never know? They were in their early
thirties.

I would think logic would dictate to take the homeopathic route considering
it is much less crude. Then if all else fails, which I doubt, take the
allophathic way. I personally don't support allopathic medicine even though
it has its place, because I believe in prevention then cure.

I would also prefer people from suffering then to continue being treated as
guinea pigs. I miss my friends too. 

Most sincerely,

Ernie


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RE: CS>

[Ernie Patai]

Hello all,

 

It seems this debate over whether blood heated in a microwave alters its
structure leading to death has been on going; 

Which only means that my comment would be adding to this. :-)I would like to
just say that whom ever is in favor of not having sufficient proof,
conclusive evidence that a person or persons getting transfusions from micro
waved blood isn't responsible for ones death, please go on and request a
personal bag of micro waved blood for your own transfusion the next time you
happen to be in the hospital for something critical. I didn't think so...Why
not put your theory or the so called research out there to the test. "LOGIC"
would indicate that if water, the most basic element yet most crucial to our
survival gets altered. Why then wouldn't blood? Water after all is 70% of
our body's composition. I have had my blood tested, and free radical damage
is present. Sure there may be environmental and job related exposure which
may have contributed to my condition. BUT, my nutritionist asked me a simple
question. "do you use a microwave and how much?" I am in impeccable good
health, ( thank God ) so then, where did the cellular damage come from? 

 

Most sincerely,

 

ernie

 

-Original Message-
From: Lea Ann [mailto:lsav...@cfl.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>

 

In doing research for my son's Science Fair Project (his or mine?  :-)

 

I kept coming up with websites claiming, "There was a lawsuit in 1991 in
Oklahoma. A woman named Norma Levitt had hip surgery, but was killed by a
simple blood transfusion when a nurse "warmed the blood for the transfusion
in a microwave oven!"  

 

Website after website claims that this proves microwaving food makes the
food dangerous.

 

One website states, "Logic suggests that if heating is all there is to
microwave cooking, then it doesn't matter how something is heated. Blood for
transfusions is routinely warmed, but not in microwave ovens. Does it not
therefore follow that microwaving cooking does something quite different?"

 

This is not a logical conclusion.  How on earth do they get from "Norma
Levitt died following a blood transfusion using blood warmed in a microwave"
to "therefore, microwaving blood does something to the blood other than
heating it"?  There are many variables besides the microwaving that could
have occurred and other possible conclusions that can be drawn.

 

In the court case, it appears that the plaintiff alleged that the blood was
hemolyzed by the microwaving process.  Hemolyzed means that the blood cells
were ruptured causing hemoglobin to leak into the plasma.

 

RE: CS>MICROWAVING

[Ernie Patai]

I am also on the fence about microwaving.  Just to be
safer, I try to use it as little as often, lower power
settings, and stay at least a few feet away from it,
just in case.  But yes, cooking even stovetop changes
protein structure to make the protein harder to
digest. But that's the trade off for sanitation via
heat. However, I will be reading Nenah's link about
nukers at lunchtime.

Hi all,

I've been microwaving for years. I'm 41 years old in great health.
I went to see a nutritionist over a year ago and did a live blood cell
microscopy. She said outside of my candida, I had some free radical damage
to the cells, minor. Considering how much I've done and how well I eat I
wasn't alarmed. I take plenty of "green food" supplementation and my ph
level is most of the time "bang on"
As we know free radical damage can lead to cancer. It takes a seriously
acidic environment to lead to this disease, from what I've read and studied
anyway. We all know many factors could tie in to be the probably cause.

This is just my experience with microwaving. Should I cut back? Perhaps.
I don't think having low free radical damage an excuse to go on this way.
But for the sake of perhaps comforting thought? I would stay aware. :-)

Regards,

Ernie 


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RE: CS>Mycoplasma Questions

[Ernie Patai]

Hello Al,

 

Yes Silver can help, but I would strongly suggest you see a homeopathic
doctor. Mycoplasma infection is responsible for a host of disease out there.

MS, being one of them which me sister is slowly recovering from. For the
longest time we didn't know what to do with her condition because the
"medical" community says there isn't a cure, and they are right! May be not
for MS and all the host of other diseases, but for Mycoplasma there is.
*wink* I went to homoepath where I live (Toronto) who identified her cause
and is now treating her. It is very difficult to identify Mycoplasma, she
uses a method which through ones bodies frequency can detect it. 

 

Wishing all the best.

 

Ernie

 

-Original Message-
From: Al Riley [mailto:a...@domsys.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:42 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Mycoplasma Questions

 

Hello fellow SilverListers!

A dear friend of mine has developed Mycoplasma Pneumonia.  He believes he
caught it from his son, a recently returned soldier who was stationed in
Iraq.  The son has had a hacking cough since his return about a month ago,
and now, after a couple weeks,my friend has been diagnosed with this
Mycoplasma infection.  Do any of the distinguished member of this group have
any suggestions on how to treat this condition.  Does Colloidal Silver help?
Would a Terminator2 Zapper help?  I remember some discussions on this list,
but I can't recall the conclusions.  Thank you for your help!!

Al Riley

RE: CS>Silver Kills ALL Viruses, Study Finds

[Ernie Patai]

Ok, I suppose the herx effect wasn't an issue at this point (Grin)?

 

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:46 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Silver Kills ALL Viruses, Study Finds

 

I was just sipping at a 500 ml jar over a period of twelve hours or so.
Subsequently I drank another 500 ml over about 24 hours. That seemed to do
the job. 






On Saturday, Oct 22, 2005, at 20:28 Asia/Tokyo, Ernie Patai wrote:

Jonathan, how much CS were u taking during the onset of the flu?

 

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:38 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Silver Kills ALL Viruses, Study Finds

 

I have been a list member for quite some time, but have not until recently
had a personal experience of rapid healing of a cold/influenza by using EIS.
This week, that changed with the rapid onset of a nasty flu-like disease,
with lung congestion, watery eyes, sneezing, and a generally run-down
feeling.

I was not having much success with EPA/DHA fish oil, my mainstay, so I made
500 ml of EIS with an old-model Silvergen SG6.

Symptoms subsided considerably within a matter of hours, and I was able to
go about my normal routine within twelve. After less than 36 hours I think
most of the pathogenic cause of the disease is gone. My lungs are clearing
well. (I also nebulized with a portable Omron unit.)

I have been very favorably impressed by this admittedly anecdotal
experience. The most remarkable aspect was the very strong subjective
feeling of improvement within a few hours of ingesting the EIS. Had the
experience not been impressive, you can bet I would have posted that here
also.

Anecdotes from other EIS users during this impending flu season might be
helpful. Nothing beats controlled experiments, of course. Someday those may
be forthcoming, but they may not help people to change their behavior much,
alas. Experiments proved conclusively that germicidal tissues produced
dramatic reductions of infection rates, but the company that made them could
not profit from selling them, and that was that. But we have EIS and spray
bottles, so we can protect ourselves to some extent. (I had not been doing
so when I got sick. My fault. Will get back to my routine immediately. )










On Saturday, Oct 22, 2005, at 10:46 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:

http://www.rense.com/general68/kills.htm

RE: CS>Silver Kills ALL Viruses, Study Finds

[Ernie Patai]

Jonathan, how much CS were u taking during the onset of the flu?

 

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 1:38 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Silver Kills ALL Viruses, Study Finds

 

I have been a list member for quite some time, but have not until recently
had a personal experience of rapid healing of a cold/influenza by using EIS.
This week, that changed with the rapid onset of a nasty flu-like disease,
with lung congestion, watery eyes, sneezing, and a generally run-down
feeling. 

I was not having much success with EPA/DHA fish oil, my mainstay, so I made
500 ml of EIS with an old-model Silvergen SG6. 

Symptoms subsided considerably within a matter of hours, and I was able to
go about my normal routine within twelve. After less than 36 hours I think
most of the pathogenic cause of the disease is gone. My lungs are clearing
well. (I also nebulized with a portable Omron unit.) 

I have been very favorably impressed by this admittedly anecdotal
experience. The most remarkable aspect was the very strong subjective
feeling of improvement within a few hours of ingesting the EIS. Had the
experience not been impressive, you can bet I would have posted that here
also. 

Anecdotes from other EIS users during this impending flu season might be
helpful. Nothing beats controlled experiments, of course. Someday those may
be forthcoming, but they may not help people to change their behavior much,
alas. Experiments proved conclusively that germicidal tissues produced
dramatic reductions of infection rates, but the company that made them could
not profit from selling them, and that was that. But we have EIS and spray
bottles, so we can protect ourselves to some extent. (I had not been doing
so when I got sick. My fault. Will get back to my routine immediately. ) 










On Saturday, Oct 22, 2005, at 10:46 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:

http://www.rense.com/general68/kills.htm

RE: CS>CS, cancer files

[Ernie Patai]

Ernie here, nope didn't get any yet. But I imagine from the onslaught of
requests, it looks more to be in the 30's hahaha.:-) 

-Original Message-
From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS, cancer files

Several folks have re-requested that I send them the
files (which I have done). If they still have not seen
them, please contact me again.

Also, with some folks, when I sent them the file,
their address did not work (failed). If you are one of
these people, let me know:

purif...@localnet.com
ruthstrackb...@hotmail.com
nes...@shaw.ca
campbe...@members.v21.uk (no such thing as v21, the
failure notice said)

Terry Chamberlin






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RE: CS>Bird plague reported

[Ernie Patai]

Those spray thingy's is simply getting it into your body through the lungs
which just means it's its into your blood stream faster through breathing it
in. Rather then taking it orally. If you build up your supply within the
body I couldn't see any difference to whether one induced it through the
mouth or lungs; Unless someone has so form of lung infection? As Terry's
information states: it can take care of over 650 strains of bacterium and
viruses. With no side effects other then detox.

The question that I have is. What other choice would u have but CS?
Everything else out there that doctors prescribe have side effects that many
aren't even known of. Second, with the mutations that are happening,
antibiotics have little or no effect on these new bugs. CS in my opinion,
along with other natural remedies would think is the way to go. Especially
under the recommendation of my homeopath, She mentioned that many new bugs
are out there so protect ourselves drinking CS. That is enough for me to
understand. Bird flu or not, or whatever else flu is in style.

 

Kindest regards.

 

E.

 

-Original Message-
From: hepact...@aol.com [mailto:hepact...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Bird plague reported

 

In a message dated 18/10/2005 13:04:18 GMT Daylight Time,
epa...@sympatico.ca writes:

8oz a day: 4 oz in the morning, 4 oz at night everyday. I try not to take it
too late because it has kept me up, or couldn't get a good nights rest.

Helolo everyone

New member and first post. I took CS last year for Hep C and was put off
when friends who had recommended it had no success with their viral loads.

I have kept the equipment and now am glad I did because it may come is
useful as Bird Flu has hit Europe (I am in England).

I read somewhere that drinking it does not help Bird Flu and that I should
be one of those spray paint things that artists use.

?

Can anyone advise.

I'd be v. grateful. Thanks.

 

Mo

 

 

HEPACTION Counselling & Healing Services

RE: CS>Bird plague reported

[Ernie Patai]

Sorry for the confusion.

 

8oz a day: 4 oz in the morning, 4 oz at night everyday. I try not to take it
too late because it has kept me up, or couldn't get a good nights rest.

 

-Original Message-
From: debbie cozens [mailto:debbiecoz...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Bird plague reported

 

Hello Ernie...did you mean 4 times a day and 4 times a night or did you mean
to take it for 4 nights and 4 days then have a break ?and if so ho long
should the break be?

8oz..wow thats a lot..isnt it?

 

Debbie

Ernie Patai  wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

I live in Toronto, Ont, Canada, some may not be aware, "flu season" is just
about upon us. It's not called autumn or winter anymore; Simply Flu season,
so we either have 5 seasons or just blended a couple to make it easier on
our pyschi. :-) Anyhow, was visiting my homeopath a couple weeks ago and her
husband got really really sick to the point where she couldn't eve! n help
him with all that she knows. He was hospitalized, and released upon
stabilization. He became very weak and still after 2 months is not quite
himself. She strongly suggested that my family and I load up on colloidal
silver- and to heed her warning. 8oz a day 4/day 4/night./ And keep doing
this through the entire time from now until spring. She said there are going
to be all sorts of mutations out there plaguing our society. Not to get into
their origin as such, But to keep a look out. Prevention is much better then
cure. 

 

Please be well.

 

Most sincerely..

 

Ernie

 

 

RE: CS>Bird plague reported

[Ernie Patai]

Hello Debbie,

 

Forgot to mention, I don't think one can take too much CS. Ask anyone on
this list who'se been on here for a very long time. The only thing I could
for see, is to watch for the herx reaction( flu like symptoms, headache,
nausea, things like that.)  To much CS too soon. If 4oz in the morning is
too much then slowly work your way up to that amount. Start with 2 oz a day
and work up to 8oz over a couple weeks? There is no break ti'll the season
breaks,(Grin) throughout the winter months. You need to get it into the
blood and keep it there. This is what I've been told. :-)

 

All the best.

 

E.

 

-Original Message-
From: debbie cozens [mailto:debbiecoz...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:45 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Bird plague reported

 

Hello Ernie...did you mean 4 times a day and 4 times a night or did you mean
to take it for 4 nights and 4 days then have a break ?and if so ho long
should the break be?

8oz..wow thats a lot..isnt it?

 

Debbie

 

RE: CS>Bird plague reported

[Ernie Patai]

Hello everyone,

 

I live in Toronto, Ont, Canada, some may not be aware, "flu season" is just
about upon us. It's not called autumn or winter anymore; Simply Flu season,
so we either have 5 seasons or just blended a couple to make it easier on
our pyschi. :-) Anyhow, was visiting my homeopath a couple weeks ago and her
husband got really really sick to the point where she couldn't even help him
with all that she knows. He was hospitalized, and released upon
stabilization. He became very weak and still after 2 months is not quite
himself. She strongly suggested that my family and I load up on colloidal
silver- and to heed her warning. 8oz a day 4/day 4/night./ And keep doing
this through the entire time from now until spring. She said there are going
to be all sorts of mutations out there plaguing our society. Not to get into
their origin as such, But to keep a look out. Prevention is much better then
cure. 

 

Please be well.

 

Most sincerely..

 

Ernie

 

-Original Message-
From: mborg...@att.net [mailto:mborg...@att.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 11:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Bird plague reported

 

Thank You for your obversations.

I too believe this, I was listening to two reporters they said this flu is
really a diversion from katrina and the pandemic caused there.

When this misery of katrina was caused, they reported that the toxic water
will cause typhoid,etc. but they moved the people out so fast has anyone
followed up and the health problems of those that were forced to leave their
state.  

-- Original message from "Ian Roe" :
-- 


> Interestingly enough - the media barons want us to panic. 
> 
> Headlines: 62 people die in China from Bird Flu. 
> 
> My Gosh, 62 people die in China every day from the common cold - 1/2 that 
> many probably die every day from stubbing their toes or getting a bloody 
> nose. These are not huge numbers but the intention is the chaos being 
> produced. I've been stocking up on Colloidal silver at the house. Got 
> about 15-20 gallons ready for friends and family if they will hear me.
I've 
> been ignored in the past because they have been cemented into the medical 
> model. Every body in our house is taking CS every day, getting rest etc. I

> am a nurse in a local hospital and probably will receive first exposure!
in 
> our isolation rooms, just like I did during SARS. 
> 
> Ian Roe 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Faith Saint Francis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:43 PM 
> Subject: CS>Bird plague reported 
> 
> 
> > My Respected Friends on this CS gathering! 
> > 
> > Now, we'd like to ask you for a bit of advice. 
> > 
> > We read much about the 1918 (Avian, Spanish) flu, and the bird plague
and 
> > it was all quite interesting. 
> > 
> > Important thing in these matters always is: DON'T PANIC, that would be 
> 
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RE: CS>Re:"Ole Bob" is back !!!

[Ernie Patai]

-Original Message-
From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [mailto:cking...@nycap.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:03 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re:"Ole Bob" is back !!!

Hey Bob!
Welcome back!

Hmmm, now if Mike Monet pops up, things'll get interesting...

Chuck

Speaking of Mike; does anyone know what's happened to him?

Ernie


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RE: CS>Mercury toxification cure?

[Ernie Patai]

-Original Message-
From: Ken & Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Mercury toxification cure?

I think we discussed this before, folks.  The cilantro
"cure" if I remember correctly, does not actually
remove mercury from the body altogether. The study, I
believe, said that it was able to move the mercury
from the brain to less dangerous locations, however. 
I wish I had the information again.  I could probably
find it if I look on the 'net again.  Anyway, if one
is in serious need of mercury removal, EDTA treatment
will do it. However, the highest amount of mercury
removed involves between 10-20 treatments of something
like 3-4 hours hooked up to an IV with the EDTA
solution.  There might be better ways but that is the
traditional one.

Chlorella does the trick too if you got the time to do it. Chlorella being a
superfood green algae can remove heavy metal toxification in due time.
>From the blood and further time begins to penetrate the organs. The cell
wall of Chlorella binds to heavy metal stored in the body and is removed
through excreation. It takes about 6 months of continuous consumption to get
this effect. Of course everyone is diffent.

Go to : .chlorellafactor.com

Have a read.

Best wishes. Ernie 



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RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Ernie Patai]

Hi Marshall,

 

According to how I understand it. There isn't a break even. It is either
integrous or not. So if it is anything below 200. It does not hold true.  

 

Dr. David Hawkins is author of another book : "Power vs. Force" This
explains in detail this whole business about the calibrations and what they
mean and how it is applied to humanity.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Ernie

 

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

 

Ernie Patai wrote: 

According to Kinesiology muscles testing, conspiracy theories calibrate at
160 which is below the level of integrity of 200. This is the turning point
of human consciously towards the spiritual. 

"Dr. David Hawkins book, Truth vs. Falsehood.

Can you interpret this statment for me. What is the break even, that is 50%
likelhood? 100?

Marshall

RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Ernie Patai]

What do you mean by this?

Dan



>>> "Ernie Patai"  10/9/2005 3:56:28 PM >>>

According to Kinesiology muscles testing, conspiracy theories calibrate
at
160 which is below the level of integrity of 200. This is the turning
point
of human consciously towards the spiritual. 

"Dr. David Hawkins book, Truth vs. Falsehood.

Hi Dan,

Dr. Goodhart ( spelling?) Is the creator of kinesiology muscle testing.
Since it's inception it has become a mainstay amongst many health
practitioners and scientist. Muscle testing I'm sure you've heard is an
unbiased way of determining between what is true and what is false. It is
independent of the person doing the test. One can use themselves as the
tester but is it can be very difficult to perfect and takes lots of
practice. So usually it is done with a partner; you the tester and the
person being the instrument. I won't go into details but sure u can find
plenty about it here. :-)
Dr. Hawkins, a very well known and psychotherapist and teacher of
enlightenment has written numerous books, which uses this technique to
determine what we have been taught to believe to be true is in fact true or
not. To have some conceptual understanding he uses a sequential numbered
chart to indicate the varying degrees of consciousness, That being a
reflection of someone's intent. So 200 is the number of integrity of a
person.
We all know what it means to have integrity. The Scale is from 0-1000,
the highest being of sainthood. So anything below this number is ego based
and represents on some levels between 0-199 the intent of the individual.
So for conspiracy theories 160 is below the level of integrity and therefore
does not support the goodness of humankind. It supports ego driven behavior
which is only to feed ones desire for personal gain. This might be a crude
explanation but I hope it suffices and am not held responsible for any mis
information that might be here. Hahaha. His books are worth reading.

Most sincerely,

Ernie



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RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Ernie Patai]

According to Kinesiology muscles testing, conspiracy theories calibrate at
160 which is below the level of integrity of 200. This is the turning point
of human consciously towards the spiritual. 

"Dr. David Hawkins book, Truth vs. Falsehood.

Try checking numerous sources like www.snops.com Unless you hear it on
national tv or radio or real world media any "warning" e-mails are a hoax.

-Original Message-
From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] 
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:47 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

Maybe it is and maybe it isn't.

Not convinced either way.

What makes you so sure?

stuff

02


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RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Ernie Patai]

The average person can't..let's leave it at that..it's not a plug and play
option. :-)

-Original Message-
From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] 
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 4:34 PM
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Subject: RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

At 02:07 PM 10/7/2005, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>You cannot change a keyboard on a laptop.

Who says?




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RE: CS>New computers have keyboard loggers in them

[Ernie Patai]

Thanks that clears things up.

:-)

Ernie

Silly people we are. hahaha


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