CS>What are MS crystals??
Thanks -- Larry Tankersley; Gainesville, Fl. U.S.A. "Ask not what your country can do for you" Hire a lobbyist !!
CS>Maca root
Hello Lester's... in March 2014 the following came down the pike from Tara. I lost the thread. I'd like to know the amounts and protocol for taking these two herbs. Thanks Larry 123 456 <http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=silver-list@eskimo.com&q=from:%22123+456%22> Wed, 05 Mar 2014 14:33:14 -0800 <http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=silver-list@eskimo.com&q=date:20140305> Just a comment regarding that hormone supplementation. About a year ago my hair was getting so thin I was in danger of being bald. Typical little old lady syndrome I guess but I didn't like it much. A friend suggested I start taking some Maca Root along with the Eclipta Alba I was taking. My hair started to regrow so that the new hair growth was noticeable after two months. My hairline hasn't been this full since I was a teenager and my eyebrows are becoming noticeble again. This combination of herbs are wonderful. A few years ago I was under a tremendous stress and this seems to be what I need to recover from it. I guess I should mention I'm still healing from a root canal that went bad and I didn't have the tooth removed so I've had to earn how to just deal with it all. The CS as a sinus rinse was the start of my healing adventure...but I cannot reccommend those two herbs highly enough for the hormone balencing effect. Best wishes Tara -- Larry Tankersley; Gainesville, Fl. U.S.A.
Re: CS>DMSO and nebulized CS
I once got a drop of 99.7% DMSO on the top of a plastic scale and it ate it, I'd say be careful what you use. The bottle the DMSO came in is HDPE #2 larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>
CS>CS... Cataract Questions
Hey folks, If you will, anyone that's using bright eyes, clear-eyes or what ever for Cataracts, I'd sure like to hear of your experience. Also, some time ago there was a thread on DMSO/CS, etc. that had been used for cataracts. I can't find what I thought I'd saved. I'd appreciate it if some one would post such again. Due to the modalities used for dealing with a retinal,macular detachment I now have 20/70 vision in that eye primarily due to the rapid increase of the cataract. A lens replacement is very risky after having the previous operation. I must do something as I can't see worth a flip, i.e. depth perception etc. No doubt this is but a small wrinkle in ones life in the all... and, I sure would like to smooth this one out a bit. TIA for any feedback. larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA
CS>OT- CAN-C and Bright-eyes
Hey Folks; Has anyone had experience using CAN-C or Bright-eyes for cataracts? Or other modalities? I've been dealing with a retina detachment [twice now] since Dec. and the gas bubble they inject causes a rapid increase in the cataract. I'd really like to skip the operation. TIA larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA
Re: CS>Silverpuppy/Nebulizer
Hey folks... I've had a silver pup for 10 years or so and use it when needed with a nebulizer... yes particle size is a primary factor. Just bought a pocket pup for my daughter. [ she relinquished the prior pup in a divorce?, guess she knew I'd replace it for her.] I have several friends that have pups; don't get colds etc. ...Bottom line, CS has been most efficacious for my well being; no more sinus infections, athletes foot using the jell and on and on. The polarity switching on the newer pups is where its at, one no longer has to deal with oxidation, not a big deal but makes a clean product with no muss ... I'm going to up grade. Don't think you can get a better easer to use generator regardless of price; based on my experience, and research. larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Past post about Migraine head aches... OT
Hey Folks I'm wondering if anyone remembers a post on Migraine head aches, and hopefully will post or send it to me. As I recall the person that posted had used a modality for some other reason and his/her long standing migraine's ended. I have a friend whose 15 year old daughter is suffering daily. Sure hope someone knows what I'm referring to or any other suggestions. Thanks larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA
CS>Tinnitus and nerve impingment
I read a Doc to say that he found many cases of Tinnitus related to nerve impingement in the neck. I think that is the source of my Tinn. When I use my hand to press against my head from the side and resist the force the ringing becomes more pronounced; also resisting the pressure with my hands on the back of head pushing forward. A few times in the past, while in bed, for a brief moment the ringing has stopped?? It's unbelievable what it's like when that has happen, i.e. the sound of silence is astounding. I don't have a clue what that's all about. I'm going to use my ultra sonic vibrator and see if I notice any difference in lessening the ringing.. We shall see... larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA
CS>CS Black Salve... OT
Dear CS listers..Here is a snip from a post I sent a friend regarding Black Salve use>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"While thinking about it I just went to change the dressing with new Vaseline on the BB size hard white headed cist?? tumor?? ever what, and it looked very oozy. It's just above my eye brow and I've been using the black salve on it I squeezed it like a pimple [ which I've done many times during the past couple years, in vain] This time it popped out and I picked off what came out but it wasn't all of it... squeezed again and then took tweezers and pulled the core out, about 1/8 inch more, bloody but very cool event. No pain. I have CS on it now with bandage... we shall see. Don't really care if it scars but glad to not have a white knot growing larger on my forehead. YA YA. Later bud <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> It's post 2 weeks now and no scar, slight redness which is about gone. Good job Tel; thanks larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA
CS>Oratec - Periodontal disease
Periodontal disease arggg. Been dealing with it for 35 years; had the flap surgery... waste of time and money not to mention the trauma and discomfort. It depends on how deep the pocket is for how long you'll keep the tooth... only so much gum can be removed. I delayed tooth loss for years by injecting hydrogen-peroxide or CS into the pockets using injection devices such as those sold by Oratec, but, have lost nine teeth, so far, as I got tired of dealing with it. Only down side for me is, it takes longer to chew... a small wrinkle among the wrinkles of living. GOOD LUCK https://www.oratec.net/default.asp larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA
CS>CS- CS Gel report, athletes foot
Hey folks; here's a six month follow up on my use of CS gel for athletes foot. I cured a bad reoccurring case of athletes food using the gel. maybe six months ago; It took longer that store bought antifungal, maybe 3 or 4 days of daily application. I've been using it daily ever since and for the first time in 20+years have not had a reoccurrence. What's not to like about that ! I've also found it works well on bug bites and the pain, shame and embarrassment of hemorroids... well it actually hasn't helped much with the embarrassment part but sure stops the burn and itch. ;-) larry tankersley, Gainesville FL. USA
Re: CS>Tooth extraction- my biggest Mistake!
Having had ten teeth extracted over a period of years. I'd venture to say your dentist is at the least incompetent or sadist. I can't believe it took three hours !!! My guess is he/she must not have sawed the tooth and cracked it in half to allow for easy extraction. In my experience I have never experienced a more incompetent and unscrupulous group as the dentist I've come across. I'm sorry you've run into one. My experience has been the hole will heal and you will recover. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -Original Message- From: Marlene Hanson Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Tooth extraction- my biggest Mistake! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_031B_01C9A618.026B1D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Georgia,=20 Just because someone is versed in a protocol doesn't' mean they can = execute it well. I found this about my dentist too late as well. I am = sorry your extraction went so badly. He could have used a more humane = way of extraction. Facial trauma is damaging to the nerves. It is = important to settle them down and take the stress off of your immune = system as soon as possible. Use the treatment you find most effective = treatments for nerves. I would do what ever treatment for mouth = cleanliness you choose Iodine, Hydrogen peroxide, MMS, or salt water. = Most importantly try to remain quiet until the pain settles down. = Something this traumatic often will create a TMJ condition which can = last a long time. This is why you need to relieve nerve response as soon = as possible. I would not try to chew. I would make juice or smoothies. = Marlene - Original Message -=20 From: gmetrop...@aol.com<mailto:gmetrop...@aol.com>=20 To: silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>=20 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:18 AM Subject: CS>Tooth extraction- my biggest Mistake! Last Monday I went in for an evaluation of a severe tooth infection=20 above a breeched temporary on my molar. I tried for weeks with natural = remedies to heal my tooth but after 3 weeks realized the nerve died. I = eventually found a biological dentist 11/2 hours away and he gave me=20 the option of root canal or extraction, After reading about the root=20 canal cover up and Hulda Clark's,Huggins,and others views I=20 relunctlantly accepted an extraction. It is a decision I will always=20 regret! The upper molar was large and firmly attached to the bone. The = extraction took 3 hours of contiually yanking with huge pliers. All my = teeth were traumatized as were my bruised facial bones. I received 15=20 stitches after being stuffed with collagen. I now have a huge=20 hole,can't eat, chew, bite down, and feel a part of me was amputated.=20 The pain in my bones,teeth and gums does not subside.The right jaw now = hangs lower.This has totally affected my strenghth and outlook. The=20 tears keep mounting.I depended on that tooth for eating all the = healthy=20 food and now I don't even want to look at food cause I can't consume=20 it. To put prosthetics and artifical materials permantently in my body = will not enhance my immune system and does nothing for me now! On=20 examining the large extracted tooth it was clear the infection was in=20 the pulp but the roots looked healthy and strong. I only wish I could=20 of been more informed of the issues with extraction. I now know a well = done root canal would of been a wiser choice and less trauma. I wish I = never read the negative info. I spent a month trying to save my tooth=20 to ultimatley suffer worse than when I had the infection. With much regret, Georgia -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: = http://silverlist.org<http://silverlist.org/> To post, address your message to: = silver-list@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> Address Off-Topic messages to: = silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com<mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com>= The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour = mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>> =20 --=_NextPart_000_031B_01C9A618.026B1D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Georgia, Just because someone is versed in a protocol doesn=92t' mean they = can execute=20 it well. I found this about my dentist too late as well. I am sorry your = extraction went so badly. He could have used a more humane way of = extraction.=20 Facial trauma is damaging to the nerves. It is important to settle them = down and=20 take the stress off of your immune system as soon as pos
CS>RE: CS sinus ect.
My protocol... invert your head flood sinus with CS until you feel the burn. Several times a day until no more burn. Always sleep with your head elevated. Works for me, hope it helps. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS>OT, UK health care system etc.
Hey Folks; If you will, I'd like to hear from you Brits, and others, regarding your experience with societal funding/taxing for 'Free health care' and overseen by your reprehensive [?] governments. I know this is OT and also think it may be of interest to many on the list as the U.S. is being... Opps, I almost gave my opinion. I'm sure Mike will pull the plug on this one when it becomes opinion rather than one's experience. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
Re: CS>Ionic Silver transport throught the digestive tract an into the cells.
Now that is interesting! Where did you come up with that? larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>blue moons revisited... please provide references.
Hi Indi the following from your post "You are correct that silver ions will react with the hydrochloric acid in the stomach and result in silver chloride formation. With ionic silver, if it is potent enough (high PPM) this can become a dangerous amount of silver chloride. "Dangerous" meaning one may get argyria. In any event, ionic silver should not be taken internally due to the fact that it is immediately transformed into silver chloride, which is then stored in the body. There is "<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I'm most interested to see the journal references to scientific/repeatable, peer reviewed in vivo studies you base your assertions on. Thanks. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS and hydrogen peroxide
Hey Folks; The following is from Dr. J.V. Wrights 'Nutrition and Health' 9/06 news letter, where he spoke very well regarding CS being efficacious in stopping super-germs, [which in 1993 70,000 hospital patients died with drug-resistant infections despite being treated with ABX, and is now over 2 million a year. Here is a snip "According to the EUROPEAN JOURNAL OF BIOCHEMISTRY, silver [and the other metals in this family] bring about a key reaction in the body's defense system: the production of Hydrogen Peroxide." I'd love to see that study, the methodology and. if it was repeatable. 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.' As I hear so often in dialoging with my learned friends at University of Fl., " Show me the studies" I'd also like to see in vivo research that proves, what I see as conjecture based on in vetro studies of what CS is compounding with; best I can tell there is little more than extrapolation based on in-vitro/ test tube/dish findings; which is far from being the elec-chem machine that we are. In short, I'll ask the same question I ask years ago of Frank Key and other science minded... WHERE ARE THE IN-VIVO STUDIES the assertions being made are base on? When this question was ask several years ago the thread came to an end are there are no such SCIENTIFIC studies? Regardless, here's what I know, and really all I care about... The product I've been making the past several years [with the silver pup] works for what I used it for, savings me literally thousands of dollars in medical and dental expense, pain and suffering, as it has for others I know... And once again... Thanks Mike, the benevolent dictator extraordinaire !! PS If anyone has a in file copy of the Dr. Wright 09/06 vol.13 issue 8 news letter I'm sure it would be of value to many if posted. Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS> Gel Question
I'm wondering how to mix 8oz of 10ppm CS with Aloe Vera gel, as someone suggested, and not end up with soup instead of a gel... and what would you end up with in the way of silver compounds? Seems like a swell idea... been there done that several years ago and didn't find the mix to be efficacious... following the directions for making CS gel with the CS gel kit for topical use has worked for me... cheap and, easy to install. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS>More on CS Gel ...
More good results with CS gel... Perhaps some may remember the commercial " Do you suffer from the pain and embarrassment of hemorroids" ? Well the CS gel takes care of the burn and itch in a 'New York Minute', YA YA. Cold sore.. I use a 9v battery with AG electrodes that send the little buggers right back home [till the next time] and if I'll use it the very instant I feel the OH NO sensation of the coming event there is no event. Got lax this time, had my head in the sand, or up something, for a couple of days and Herpe got a foot hold. I zapped it and put CS gel on, next zap was with gel on first and there after. Gel is very conductive, burns in short order so you don't want to get heavy handed and end up with a burn blister, did that a while back, it's something you'll only do once, I'll probable do it at least twice. Anyways 2 or 3 zaps a day for two days and 'cold sore be gone' Hope some find this protocol of benefit... I sure have profited from this list over the past seven or eight years.. sinus infections gone in a day or so, periodontal infections kept under control, etc Y... a man would have to be nothing short of a fool not to make and use CS from a well designed generator, don't you think. ;-) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS> deluting CS with tap H2O
Hey Folks; it's warming up nicely today here in the G-spot, the arm pit of Florida! Question... If one were to cut/delute ,say, 16oz of 10 ppm CS with another 16 oz of DW, would you not end up with 32oz of 5 ppm ? No such thing as a dumb question but that may come close... at times MY common sense betrays me. Question #2... if you were to cut with tap water would you end up with a silver compound of some description? Or even using filtered water, would not the result be the same, i.e. , a silver compound of sort? And, would what ever you ended up with not be less efficacious as a CS compound? larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS>cs... CS GEL .. works for me
Hey folks I'm very pleased with the results I've had with the CS Gel kit that Ken/ode/silver puppy sells. [ as well as the silver PUP which I've had for 6 or 7 years now and have several friends that are also happy with the machine and the efficacy of the CS produced.] I've cleaned up sinus infections in 48 hours [nasal douche] that in the past I've been on ABX's and sick as a dog for a week. Never had any luck with liquid CS used on my athletes foot challenge, but the Gel cleared it up, though it did take longer than store bought antifungal, nonetheless it cleared it up. Also works well for topical use on small scrapes etc. don't need a bandage to keep wet with CS just a dab of gel every so often Good job Ken !! larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS>Bentonite green clay
Hey Folks... If someone will, please let me know of a reliable company that sells Bentonite clay on line. TIA larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
Re: CS>Blue Man on Oprah!!!
Lots of great thought's on the blue dude... A major source of revenue for the networks' comes from pharmaceutical advertisements. I hope I'm wrong but, my bet is, there's no way there will be a balanced discussion... A blue man Opera event keeps sheeple's attention between commercials... It's the entertainment bizz... DUH I think it was Walter Contrite [sp] ;-) I saw interviewed years ago, say; "When hired as a news caster I was told. ... As long as you keep viewers entertained between commercials you'll have a job." As me Mama always said, " Money's what makes the world go round" As far as the negative effect on folks being turned off to CS. The sheeple, that demand their Doc. prescribe the purple pill, aren't going to be enlightened regardless. Billions is spent advertising for this result; my experience being, many, if not most, sheeple are helpless.. can't be helped anyway, "Physician heal thyself." larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -Original Message- From: gotoh...@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Blue Man on Oprah!!! ---1203105867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why waste time trying to persuade anybody? Let them all propagandize against CS as long as they want to. Seems to me that would help us CS users; if the mainstream can be convinced that CS will make them blue then the FDA and 'big pharma' might back off and leave it alone. Wouldn't that be much better than if we succeeded in persuading the mainstream about the true benefits of CS, thereby causing the FDA and others to try to make it illegal to use and produce CS? Better to be thought foolish by some than to have it taken away. As for the blue man, I heard him tell a reporter on some program that he used to be quite the introvert and now is becoming more social and extroverted as a result of all the positive attention this has brought to him. And now it's gotten him a spot on the Oprah show. I would be willing to bet he's being paid (by the pharmaceuticals) for his trouble also. If he was using it for dermatitis, why was her drinking it instead of topically applying it? Laura H., TX In a message dated 2/14/2008 4:17:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: Oh God, that means the whole media will descend and all the good work we have done persuading people that silver is good for them will be undone! **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp0030002565) ---1203105867 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why waste time trying to persuade anybody? Let them all=20 propagandize against CS as long as they want to. Seems to me that woul= d=20 help us CS users; if the mainstream can be convinced that CS will make= =20 them blue then the FDA and 'big pharma' might back off and leave it=20 alone. Wouldn't that be much better than if we succeeded in persua= ding=20 the mainstream about the true benefits of CS, thereby causing the FDA and ot= hers=20 to try to make it illegal to use and produce CS? Better to b= e=20 thought foolish by some than to have it taken away. As for the blue man, I heard him tell a reporter on some program that h= e=20 used to be quite the introvert and now is becoming more social and extrovert= ed=20 as a result of all the positive attention this has brought to him. And=20 now it's gotten him a spot on the Oprah show. I would be willing=20= to=20 bet he's being paid (by the pharmaceuticals) for his trouble also.&nbs= p;=20 If he was using it for dermatitis, why was her drinking it instead of topica= lly=20 applying it? Laura H., TX In a message dated 2/14/2008 4:17:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 d...@deetroy.org writes: Oh God, that means the whole media will descend and all the good=20= work=20 we have done persuading people that silver is good for them will be=20 undone! The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy=20= Awards. http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=3Daolcmp003000256= 5" href=3D"http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=3Daolcmp0030002565"; target= =3D"_blank">AOL Music takes you there. ---1203105867-- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>cold sore/fever blister, trick
... for those that are serious/sick of the problem My experience in using CS, DMSO, Alo, etc. has been less than satisfactory. What has worked for me is a 9-Volt battery with silver probes attached; the minute you feel the first sensation and think Oh s--t, stop what you are doing, wet you lip with CS,or lick, and place the probes on each side of the sensation and zap till a burning sensation, remove and do several more times and continue doing such as often as possible for the next few hours. I've suffered from this virus since childhood, thanks Mom ! Past three years the worst case has been, when I didn't jump on it immediately, [get out of bed, or ever what, seemed more important] was a small pin head size eruption. For what ever reason I've not had to deal with one for a year or so, very rare, but think it would be wishful thinking that I've eliminated the little buggers! ... perhaps it's frighten them ;-) they're very smart and maybe looking for a better ploy for VIVA YO. The connectors for the 9V bat. can be had at Radio shack, all you have to do is attach the silver probes to the wire leads. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS>Off Shore Pharmacy
Has anyone had experience buying a prescription drug from an off shore pharmacy that doesn't require a prescription? There seems to be several in the UK. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone; please post to the list as I'd bet others might find the info. beneficial [or post me privately if your prefer. Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
Re: CS>Microscopes Not allowed to be used
No shortage of dark field microscopes for sale on the internet. Perhaps when
THEY take them away from the MDs they sell them to quacks on ebay ! ; )
Due to my curiosity regarding health related claims, I've had some experience
with alternative docs and 'health care providers' using dark fields, i.e.
salesmen.
In one case I was told I had yeast in my blood and was shown a crenated blood
cell [crenated due to the pressure on the cell from the top side] and told it
was a yeast bud. I had a MD friend send blood samples to two different labs ...
both came back NEG. As he'd said, you're wasting your money, if you have yeast
in your blood you would be at deaths door.
I was well aware of this but wanted lab reports before I considered shoving
his scope up his bum. Needless to say he was sorry for the day he pricked my
finger and soon after packed up his scope, herbs, and booked out.
Another time I was told the crenated blood cell was due to enzyme deficient
blood. And I'll be darn if he didn't have just the supplements for sale I
needed.
On another occasion I watched the OPERATOR rip off a piece of paper towel
over top of an uncovered slide; the piece of towel she tore off was for my
finger prick; she then put my blood sample on that slide and said the fibers
were parasite and I was full of them and should come to the clinic next morning
for test to determine type and a treatment program.
They also like to show coagulating blood cells and make claims as to what they
are seeing and what you need to buy from them to correct the problem.
I also spoke to a retired professor of microbiology who had attended such
demonstrations 'Yeast conventions' and his experience had been the same
regarding yeast buds.
I would love to have a dark field scope and am going to look into the
inexpensive conversion.
Gosh... I could tell folks that the crenated cells are due to a fungal
infection, or some BS, and sell them CS.
larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
-Original Message-
From: Karen Eck
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:53 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Microscopes Not allowed to be used
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"They" is obviously "The Powers that Be",
the jack-booted, gun toting thugs that raid alternative medical clinics
such as Dr. Jonathan V. Wright, M.D. in
the infamous 1992 FDA Tahoma Clinic "raid" ("The Great B-Vitamin Bust")
Or as the story is told here:
Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids=20
on healers, vitamin shops and supplement companies
http://www.newstarget.com/021791.html
"On February 26, 1987, approximately 25 armed FDA=20
agents and U.S. Marshals burst through the glass=20
doors of the Ft. Lauderdale offices of the Life=20
Extension Foundation with guns drawn. A second=20
group of FDA agents simultaneously attacked the=20
LEF warehouse, where they detained LEF founder=20
William Faloon at gunpoint. Employees were lined=20
up against the wall and searched. Agents rifled=20
through the personal belonging of the=20
<http://www.newstarget.com/employees.html>employees=20
and confiscated many items. Over the next 12=20
hours, they seized thousands of items, including=20
<http://www.newstarget.com/nutritional_products.html>nutritional=20
products, files, and documents, including 5,000=20
newsletters that were about to be mailed to=20
subscribers. Computers and telephones were=20
reportedly, "=85ripped from the wall," and agents=20
seized anything they could find regardless of=20
whether such items were actually named in the=20
search warrant. Later analysis revealed that 80=20
percent of the seized items were never named in=20
the warrant. " And 9 other raids are outlined here.
Seasilver
I personally was getting a nice little check each=20
week from Seasilver when it was raided at=20
gunpoint by the FDA and FTC and the entire stock=20
was confiscated, because Seasilver reps claimed=20
the benefits of all the diseases that colloidal=20
silver can cure. At that time the silver came=20
from sea vegetables high in silver.
My comment about the darkfield microscopes being=20
raided and destroyed came from my taped telephone=20
interview with darkfield microscopist Ingrid=20
Naiman. I trust she knows of such instances=20
since that was her field of work, but that was an=20
aside and not the topic of the 2 hour interview,=20
therefore I did not obtain any specifics. I=20
thought I might do a websearch later, but right=20
now I'm really busy helping my aunt with her=20
cancer treatment. She said she left her=20
microscope in Germany. When I mentioned this to=20
Vincent Gammill he remarked that he had also=20
heard of such raids. He had his scope in Mexico=20
and wouldn't you
CS>Obnoxious people...
It's been my experience that obnoxious, rude, overbearing, opinionated folks most often have an insecurity complex i.e. an underlying lack of self-worth that is often sublimated by grandiosity and verbose, not to mention other less than likeable personality traits. Personality disorder are hard to overcome... Neurosis is easy in comparison. I was once told by a dear friend, " you have no Idea how your words hurt people" and my Xwife once said , " Can you just say it's only what you THINK, before you make your dictatorial assertions of TRUTH? Gosh, wonder why she is another X. ; ) ... topping those, when I was perhaps 50 years old, my dear sweet Father. during a 'conversation', became beet red and calmly said, "You are the most over bearing person I have ever known"... that got my attention, later that day I apologized; and have since then made a concerted effort to temper my speech and to understand why I need to be the "right man." Glad I 'got it'.. works better for all... mostly for me. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
Marshall protocol and CS
Hey Folks... Has anyone had any experiense using the Marshall protocol for Lime, etc.? I'm wondering if CS would be more efficatious than the ABX used in the Marshall protocol. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
Re: CS>dental: pericoronitis.leaning towards osteomyelitis
I dealt with this problem successfully for several years with two molars. As you know you have deep pockets that you can't clean, hence infection. If you want to keep the tooth, and I wonder why, get a deep pocket irrigator and every day irrigate with CS or H2O2. It won't heal the pockets but no infections. Perio-flex is a small irrigator that is about $25 USD. Google it. I just thought American dentist were unaware until I read your experience.. good luck. I finally had mine pulled and wish I had years ago. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USAFrom: Hannah Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 8:14 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>dental: pericoronitis.leaning towards osteomyelitis I have the misfortune of having an infection in my lower jaw, around wisdom tooth site. When pain and pressure became a little too much I asked my dentist what it could be.. his response was ..nothing wrong, and the wisdom tooth still embedded is fine... just some jaw pain. With that I went to see my local doctor who said straightaway that it was osteo arthritis... he gave me a sheet with exercises for my jaw and that was end of that visit. Thought it was a bit weird sort of pain to be osteo arthritis.. after a week a tiny hole appeared in gum and pus and blood..so went back to dentist.. he then sort of panicked, not sure what to do, so I pushed for an x ray. In general I won't have x-rays but pain was getting really bad and I needed proof something was really wrong for the last 6 months. Pericoronitis etc was diagnosis after x ray. Just doubtful if the non erupted wisdom was impacted or not. I went to see oral surgeon. He wasn't too reassuring, telling me that surgery would be a risky one because the roots of the wisdom tooth are pointing backwards and too close to nerve. It is a real possibility that I end up with numb right side of jaw/cheek as result of surgery. . Apart from that, he said that according to the x ray the wisdom tooth is not the culprit. Not running for the surgery as a result... I guess it doesn't help that doctor/dentist/oral surgeon aren't giving me some definite and corroborating information/diagnosis. In the meantime, I started to up my dose of CS, have pulsed with sota pulser, have used V's gadget.. but... nothing seems to improve the situation. Would any of you have any further ideas what else I could do to stop this infection, blood/pus and pain. Thanks in advance Hanneke ~ Australia -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Sota instruments CS Gen
Dear listers... Does anyone have experience, pro or con, using the Sota instruments Silver Pulser, Bio Tuner, or any of there other products? TIA larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS> Staber washers
I have a friend that bought one 2 years ago and has had no problems. Ecologically speaking, perhaps it would be wise if we all had such a machine; the pay back time is another story... but, with any luck oil will get up to $200 a barrel soon and things might change for the betterment of our planet; heck, if we screw things up to badly, we won't have a place to have wars on. argggg larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS> Science Project
Yes that's true, Ivy is hardy. For this to be good science i.e. repeatability I should have ask , I believe it was Marshal, for type plants, stage of growth, soil used and all the other controls needed. Wasn't all that serious about it.. good science can be hard work, one must be serious in wanting to KNOW if what they THINK is TRUE larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS> Science project
For the past 16 days I've watered two Irish ivy cuttings; one with water brought to a hard boil in a 500W microwave and one with water brought to a hard boil on an electric stove top. A glass container was used for both. Each plant was planted in the same size and type pot with Scotts metro mix 200 growing media. Each was watered once every 3 days with 1/4 cup from identical storage containers. This was/is a blind study as I still don't know which plant is getting which water. As of day 16 both plants are doing equally well. I have not been able to repeat the results of the science project reported on the silver-list. I'm wondering if anyone else has tried to replicate the original findings. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS>AG or Mercury problem
Dear listers' I don't get the following. Is it saying that Mercury is the cause of these symptoms, or silver? If it's Mer. how does AG get into the mix? TIA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boericke's Materia Medica Argentum metallicum [Arg.] Natural History. Silver General. Emaciation, a gradual drying up, desire for fresh air, dyspnoea, sensation of expansion and left-sided pains are characteristic. The chief action is centered on the articulations and their component elements, bones, cartilages, and ligaments. Here the small blood vessels become closed up or withered and carious affections result. They come on insidiously, lingering, but progress. The larynx is also a special center for this drug. Mental. Hurried feeling; time passes slowly; melancholy. Head. Dull paroxysmal neuralgia over left side, gradually increasing and ceasing suddenly. Scalp very tender to touch. Vertigo, with intoxicated feeling, on looking at running water. HEAD FEELS EMPTY, HOLLOW. Eyelids red and thick. Exhausting coryza, with sneezing. Pain in facial bones. Pain between left eye and frontal eminence. Throat. Raw, hawking, gray, JELLY-LIKE MUCUS, and throat sore on coughing. PROFUSE AND EASY morning expectoration. Respiratory. HOARSENESS Aphonia. Raw, sore feeling when coughing. Total loss of voice of professional singers. Larynx feels sore and raw. EASY EXPECTORATION, LOOKING LIKE BOILED STARCH. FEELING OF RAW SPOT NEAR SUPRA STERNA FOSSA. WORSE FROM USE OF VOICE. COUGH FROM LAUGHING. Hectic fever at noon. On reading aloud, must hem and hawk. GREAT WEAKNESS OF CHEST; worse at left side. Alteration in timbre of voice. Pain in left lower ribs. Back. Severe backache; must walk bent, with oppression of chest. Urine. Diuresis. Urine PROFUSE, TURBID, sweet odor. Frequent urination. Polyuria. Extremities. Rheumatic affections of joints, especially elbow and knee. Legs weak and trembling, worse descending stairs. Involuntary contractions of fingers, partial paralysis of forearm; writer's cramp. SWELLING OF ANKLES. Male. Crushed pain in testicles. SEMINAL EMISSIONS, WITHOUT SEXUAL EXCITEMENT. Frequent micturition with burning. Female. Ovaries feel too large. Bearing-down pain. Prolapse of womb. ERODED SPONGY CERVIX. LEUCORRHEA foul, excoriating. Palliative in scirrhus of uterus. Pain in left ovary. CLIMACTERIC HEMORRHAGE. Sore feeling throughout abdomen. Aggravation. WORSE from touch, toward noon. Amelioration. BETTER in open air; cough at night when lying down (opposite Hyoscy.) Relationship. Antidotes: Mercur.; Puls. Compare: Selen.; Alum.; Platina; Stannum; Ampelopsis. (Chronic hoarseness in scrofulous patients.) Dose. Sixth trituration and higher. Not too frequent repetition. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
CS>>CS ...My Vote........
...is for BS-S [ bottled silver - stuff ] ... this will cover everything Ken made reference to any anything else ones brew might contain. ;= ) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS > dirty distilled water
is now at Wally Mart in Gainesville FL. My son-law called with a question about his silver puppy generator... [I'm keeping this short] I tell him it almost has to be the water -Culligans DW- causing it to shut off in 15 minutes and the grey cloud you see coming off one silver wire I bring him some wally mart water, that has alway been fine, and leave.. he post me .. same thing with your Wally H20 I reply it may be your silver puppy took a dump... [ I had not yet used any of the DW I got from Wally last week... they had been out for a month or so.] I take my puppy over this AM and mine won't stay on for 10 sec's. [ it's a up grade from his puppy ] I stop on the way home and get a jug of DS from Publix, that has also always been clean, and my gen. works fine. End of story.. wally mart has switched DW supplier here in the G-spot.. it is now coming from Silver springs Fl and not distilled well THE END. PS my son-in-law has been using this sludge he's making for use in his chickens water, I belive he said before adding what I'd guess is silver oxide, he would lose 10 to 15 % before harvest. Last two times 0 loss the thought came to my mind, I wonder if there is a health benefit to eating chickens that have silver collected in the their tissue.. damn we could sell these suckers as health food !! ... is there no limit to my brain??... I'll check with the FDA and get their blessing, guess a few bucks will have to change hands first so don't place any orders for the next 20 years or so. [ what was to be short got long sorry, sorry..... at least it's not off topic ] ; ) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> reply from Dr Judd
Hi Catherine and listers yes that's what I also read and was told by Ivory Customer Service, but couldn't say if the Gyl. was removed still haven't heard back from them. I'd say it's a moot point now based on Dr. Judds' reply. "Dear LAR-T, The amount of glycerine in bar soap is negligible. not worth worrying about. Any opaque (hard) bar on the market is suitable for brushing. Respectfully yours, Gerard F. Judd, PhD Chemist.. That's it for me Mike... no more OT stuff from me NOT ONE MORE WORD !! ; ) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS > reply from DR Judd about bar soap
Dear list; ..received this reply to my question regarding bar soap.. "Dear LAR-T, The amount of glycerine in bar soap is negligible. not worth worrying about. Any opaque (hard) bar on the market is suitable for brushing. Respectfully yours, Gerard F. Judd, PhD Chemist " I'll add.. a moisturising soap will have added glycerine and I belive ivory will be very low, if any. I'm yet to hear back from the ivory folks regarding the question " has the gyl. been removed from ivory bar soap/" larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>cs > tooth soap
It's my understanding..??.. that the glycerine is removed from many soaps as it is more valuable $$ when sold for use in other products. I just called the Ivory soap people and customer service is going to have my question researched, 'has the glycerine been removed for the classic ivory bar soap?' ... we shall see. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Tooth Soap
Dear List I lost the link to a site that spoke of keeping your teeth, spoke of rinsing etc. Would some one please send me the link TIA and, speaking of creating an alkaline condition with high acid foods causing calcium to be released to maintain balance; is not this calcium being taken from ones bones? That's my understanding. TIAA larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>The Will to Live..
I saw Linus P. on a talk show after his wife had died. In answer to a question regarding where his head was at, ie. fun factor, at this point in his life, his reply was along the lines of not being a happy camper any more... he missed his mate ! Don't know how long after that interview before he died. Then again, Scott Nearing [sp] Mr. back to earth, got so sick of old age he starved himself to death... very low fun factor his wife kept on keeping on for some time longer before she went off the road, for no known reason, and was killed. Low fun factor??? Then there was G. Bernard Shaw who in his 90's said "I want to die now, but can't" that's a real bummer. Though I take exception with his semantics I get it. On a side note... years ago an interview in Play-Boy mag. with Kubler Ross [sp] . [she was an MD who worked with the dieing] made the statement along the lines 'finding a cure for cancer would be a real problem in the respect that we would have folks stacked up to the ceiling that had stroked out etc. Interesting point of view. I often wonder if NCI etc. have this point of view?? It would bring a little reason to the rime. Lord knows there is no shortage of folks, and a few less mouths to feed won't hurt that is, unless it's me or mine, boy that has hurt. I find it all so very interesting and hope I check out while it's still fun.... but talk is cheap, so we shall see. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Bentonite (Green Clay)
Dear Lister's ...over the past several years there have been post regarding Bentonite; would someone please send me the name of a reliable, quality, reasonable priced, source that they have used. TIA larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> PARASITES
PARASITES One mans experience with two different " wholelistic " Doc's here in Gainesville. First experience was with a Chinese Med. Doc. , who later left town for hear say reasons I won't comment on. I saw him regarding numbness in one hand and agreed to have him look at my blood with a dark field microscope.I had some knowledge of this machine and it's use. He found yeast in my blood and sent me home with herbs. [ I'm keeping this short ] I called a MD friend who said "If you had yeast in your blood you wouldn't be able to have called me ". He checked with a specialist who said the same. I then had two different blood cultures done for yeast and they both came back NEG. I then traced down a microbiologist who had stated in the book ' The Yeast Connection ' that the testing done " was of no value," as two other Doc's had said in that book. I found him in Fl. having retired from Chicago University. He stated that he had been to two gatherings of those selling DF microscopes and what they were calling yeast was crenated red blood cells caused by the pressure of the slides on the cell. Once again I'm keeping this short, as we talked for several minutes about various relative things. On a side note, there was [is] a sham going around that claims these same crenated cells are due to lack of enzymes, and sell some very expensive supplements to get one healthy... but that's another story. Next experience I had was with a MD who is still in Gville. and I've observed for 20 plus years... that in my observation, is all about making money ever how. He had a lady from NYC come in for a month and make the rounds at groups such as cancer support , massage, etc. speaking about wholelistic etc. cures. I spoke with her after a free lecture and let her know how much value I found in her presentation and set myself up by asking uninformed questions.. She invited me to a meeting at the MD's office, which I attended. During her talk she mentioned several times how many people she had found with parasites since being in Fl. ,and also how her knowledge of healing came from the 3 times she had been abducted by space folks that had shared their knowledge with her. [ Hey, It could happen !!.. what do I know. ] When it came time for a couple of people to have a free blood test with the DF micro. I was right there with " do me do me" I then watched her rip a paper towel apart over the slide that later had my blood on it, dirty side up, hand me the small portion of towel to hold on my finger prick, then place a second slide on top of of the one with my blood sample and press it down. Perhaps you can guess what she found. Yep ... you should have seen how riddled my blood was with PARASITES.. plus yeast [ and coagulated blood cells, that she said were due to dehydration.] She said I should get in to the office in the AM to be tested for what kind of parasites I had and what it would take to get rid of them. I didn't ask how much this would cost. Perhaps I should have called her on this in front of the dozen or so folks that remained after the meeting in hopes of being tested. But I did not. At that time I didn't think it proper to interfere with the placebo effect, which is, only my guess, what might be of benefit to those that made it through her presentation and wanted their blood checked. Now after having known two lades die from cancer that did every fricken thing from zapp'n to slap'n but refused conventional treatment, and several others, including my daughter, alive and well years after cancer with main stream treatment, it makes me wonder.. not know.. just wonder. I feel it prudent to look at the many modulates... none seem to be perfect.This is not to say I have not seen folks that chose conventional treatments only die also.. there are many variables.. DUH !! I'd post this "healers" name in a NY minute so ' buyer might be aware', but trashed her hand outs long ago. If anyone from NYC knows who I refer to and are inclined to post me I think I'd recognize her name.. she was in cohorts with a male healer and said they had a local radio show in NYC. I now see her as being several steps below the scum that is ripping off the poor folks in south Fl. during their time of need. I don't mean to cast dispersion on Alt Med. or all the good people that practice and provide advise. I use it all the time and can't praise CS highly enough. I also don't make a religion out of it. The modality that works is the one that works, regardless of the school of thought. ONLY and ALL I'm saying is this was my experience of ONLY three people, and I post this to perhaps help some others become aware, that may not be, there are many different "PARASITES" that can GET INTO YOU, and might cost you more than money. Po
CS>Fwd: Colloidal silver interview with Jay Kimball
Here's something I was unaware of. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The benefits of Silvicidal ES An Interview with Jay Kimball of Discovery Experimental Silvacidal ES is an over the counter (OTC) drug registered with the FDA and it is the only colloidal silver product (or Mild Silver Protein- MSP) that we know of that is currently registered OTC with the FDA. The most astounding attribute regarding Silvicidal ES is the FDA approved labeling of DEDI's product. DEDI's Silvicidal ES is labeled an all-natural product to take orally for general infections with the label listing no known side effects! In our review of all FDA registered non prescription (OTC) products in the united states none has ever acquired FDA accepted labeling depicting to be taken internally for general internal infections. In fact, we could not find any product via even a prescription in the united states, or anywhere else in the world, in which the label on the bottle advised the user to take orally for general internal infections, notwithstanding listing no side effects! The FDA is well known worldwide for being the toughest agency in the world to get a drug approved through. Silvicidal ES's FDA registration and FDA accepted labeling as an OTC drug available to be purchased without prescription must truly be what everyone is claiming; the first real miracle in drug development in decades! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know if this is on the up and up? The entire interview is below, a couple things said I found scarry ! --- Begin Message --- larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA http://www.smart-drugs.com/ias-silvicidal.htm --- End Message ---
CS>"OT" CMO and Emphysema
Sorry list... but the address I have for Mr Garland @hotmail bounced,and I would like to post him about the CMO product he provides. If someone will sent it to me I'd appreciate it. AND I guess since I'm posting I'll ask if anyone has any experience with the use of CMO, especially it's use for emphysema? Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT...Kind of, [caveat emptor]
Dear list. Don't want to get in a piss'n match about this but when I read a name mentioned on the list a while back it rang a bell. Yesterday I remembered where and posted the chap that I thought had mentioned to me his experience. He replied the following.. "Actually his name is Vinny Pinto, of RawPaleoDiet & NegativeHydrogenIon & lately EffectiveMicroorganisms 'fame'. A charming and knowledgable bullshit-&-ripoff merchant of the highest calibre. Anyone buying his "Magic Jug" kit will feel like suing after paying several hundred bucks for the supposedly rare and expensive and dangerous "magic ingredient" - namely a few small bits of magnesium metal sawn off an ingot (worth maybe 20 cents or so at most), together with some "helper substance" (small bottle of Malic acid, available cheaply from any drug store). And it doesn't work - ORP's in excess of -600 mv are claimed, but using much more of the "magic ingredient" than supplied by his meagre kit, and using ideal conditions, maximum ORP reading was around -20 mv (instrument properly calibrated), a pathetic result." ... Just one mans experience, and my experience of this man could be wrong but I've always found him to be level headed, knowledgeable and a person of integrity So I pass this along with no motive other than Caveat Emptor to all the fine folks on OUR silver list. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Fwd: OT>Puritan's Pride 3 for 1 Sale Is Here - Buy 1, Get 2 Free
Well sort of OT, but they do sell CS.. not that I'm suggesting you buy it. I do suggest you make your own. This is the sale I wait for twice a year to stock up on Noni etc. Swanson health products has started to beat their prices on somethings, sometimes. All things considered ,for me, you can't go wrong with the 3 for 1 sale. see below If nothing else go to the site and send a post regarding the FDA supplement [may I use the word scam ] larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA --- Begin Message --- If you are having trouble viewing this email, please use this link Puritan's Pride 3 for 1 Sale is Here – Exclusive Early Shopping for E-mail Recipients! Visit www.puritan.com now for huge savings on the highest quality vitamin and nutritional supplements available. During our 3 for 1 Sale order one bottle of any sale item, and receive two more bottles absolutely free*! Don't miss this chance to stock up on all the items you love and try those new products you've heard about. Plus, save even more with Free Shipping on domestic orders over $100**. Click here to take advantage of this E-mail Exclusive Pre-Catalog Sale today! Puritan.com – Your Online Vitamin Super Store Ordering online is fast, easy, and always secure. You can see our full product selection, shop 24 hours a day / 7 days a week, and save with our "online only" specials*. Keep track of your order automatically with e-mail order and shipping notifications, and visit our Health Notes reference guide for lots of useful information. Just some of the ways that puritan.com makes your commitment to good health even more convenient. Shop with confidence For over 40 years, Puritan's Pride has provided the best value, selection, and quality for millions of satisfied customers. All of our products are backed by our full 1 year customer satisfaction guarantee. Share the savings Tell a friend about this great offer. Simply use this link to send a copy of this email offer. Puritan.com – the most convenient way to maintain your healthy lifestyle. Be Healthy, Save Money, Shop Online To ensure delivery of your Puritan's Pride emails, please add puritans_pr...@puritanspride.ed10.net to your Address Book or Safe List. Use this link for step-by-step instructions, or copy and paste the link below into your browser. http://images.ed4.net/images/htdocs/addressbook * Buy 1 get 2 free offer applies to same item, same size products. Certain products, including "online only" specials, may be excluded. ** Free shipping offer is valid only on US domestic orders over $100 (merchandise value only excludes taxes) Customer satisfaction guarantee details provided on our website. Your privacy is very important to us. Puritan's Pride maintains a strict policy of not selling or renting customer information to anyone. If you would like to unsubscribe from future Puritan's Pride emails, please click here to unsubscribe. Puritan's Pride | 1233 Montauk Highway | Oakdale, NY 11769 --- End Message ---
CS>OT.. Health Care Cost Ploy..OT
Dear list... nice to be back on the silver list after a month on the road. Thought I'd share my recent experience dealing with double inguinal hernia's that had been devilling me for a couple of years. While this approach may not be for some it sure fit the bill for me not having health insurance other than what is left of VA coverage since congress gutted it,... but that's another story as well as past experience having taught me to stay away from the VA. Bottom line for me is about cost and expertise. In Gainesville the best price for a similar procedure was 7,000 USD. In Florida best price was 4,600 USD. My choice was to have the patch job done in London UK for 3,000 USD at a private clinic that does more hernia operations than anywhere else in the world, with lowest failure rate,local anesthetic, takes less than an hour and you're out the door a hour later with a life time guarantee. Still a lot of money compared to my wage scale,but beats the alternatives. The evening,after the operation, I must have walked 5 or more miles with only mild pain which was gone after a couple of days. I kept the bandages wet with CS for a few days. So, with less money I hung out in London for two weeks, [ two weeks by choice but ,they do request that you stay a week ], and came home with me gut's staying in, and better than 99.% chance that me gut stays put... Perhaps my hernia 'trip' will be of value to some other poor bastard caught in middle class with no health insurance. That said and, generally speaking, London is expensive ...perhaps a average 50% more than in U.S still you can live on the cheap, as I did. Best deal I came up with was right at Hyde Park ,a choice location. Six bunk room was about 20USD per day, with communal kitchen / TV room, and cereal and toast for breakfast.. Plus a Smoking room with treats from "Amsterdummy" [Amsterdam] being shared with fellow travelers from around the sphere !! this Hostle has no affiliation with the British Hernia Center... my choice. CHEERS larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> Q-10 price
"Give it up Lary, we got your point 4 or 5 post ago ! I wonder if you get a independent lab printout of purity from contamination too? I didn't see one. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey dudes ... give me a break. that was my third post in the spirit of of sharing info. on price...trying to coming as close as one can to apples and apples and a price per mg. , in what's a big bag of worms. If you hadn't questioned my math,which could be wrong for sure, there would have never been a second post. Please don't be ,what I find to be, hateful and off point in your replies,when I'm just wanting to be helpful, not RIGHT, and with no agenda.. Thanks PS .. let's get off it or Mike is going to spank us all.. nobody likes pissing matches, perhaps least of all I. My lips are sealed. ; ) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> An amazing new CoQ10 breakthrough....
Guess it's time to go to the OT list with the Q-10 thingy.. but I've done all the math my little brain can handle... PP sells Q-MELT brand also.. 28 count of 60mg for $25. The one posted,which I belive said they were the only place you can get it sells a month supply of 100mg for $45. IF my math is right that comes to ... .014 per mg at PP and .016 at the place posted.. that's close as I used 28 count for pricing and you may get 30 in what they call a months supply. that makes it .015 per mg larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> Q-10 price
.. Well I checked my math on the coop Q-10. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Not so fast Lary, Coenzyme Q-10 -- Supports cardiovascular health and energy, 60mg, 60 Veg Caps $14.93 at the Heath CO-OP, thats over $3.00 cheaper than Puritan's Pride " <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the PP three for one sale one bottle of 120 Q-sorb Q-10 at 120 MG cost $36.31. Divide that by two [ as it's twice the MG of the coop ] and you have $ 18.15 . The same amount at the coop would be $29.86. At least that's the way my math works.. have I missed something? Plus PP's is the fast absorb,more expensive. I assume Coop's is not as it's not stated ?? Also.. just got Swanson's new catalog today. The sale price on the Q-gel is up from $29.99 to $39.99 for 60 gels at 100MG. That will add aprox.$30.00 to the figure I posted... I think it was about $90.00 so now it will be $120.00 compared to PP"s aprox. $55.00.. and that's comparing apples to apples as far as one can tell. I don't care where I buy from as long as it's good quality and the cheapest price ! If I've miss figured I'll be glad to be corrected if it will save me a buck. Hey gang it's only money.. but I still like to save it. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT> Q-10 prices
The price comparison I posted was after doing the math to come up with equal MG amounts per unit.. could my math be off?. You bet it could be,but I'm not going threw it again as I was careful. I've also bought from Swanson many times as I trust their product and some times their prices are better than PP. Regarding the Q-10... If you compare Swanson's Q-Gel 200 MG with PP's Q-sorb [ both being the fast absorb so it's apples and apples ] you should find as I do that what would cost $52.75 at PP would cost $89.97 at Swanson for equal amounts.[ PG 38 in their last sale cat. ] But ...Hey, it's only money guy's... larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT ..Q-10 price
Dear list... I compared the price of equal amounts of Q-10. Puritan's Pride = .16... target = .20 costco [sp] =.11. and the health co-op, came in at .25 Puritian's Pride's is the Q-sorb. I seldom find better prices than PP and trust their quality based on the parent company -NBTY inc. being perhaps the biggest supplement mfg's. around and supplies many of the name brand marketers you will find in health food stores for big bucks. Poor quality would not be in their best interest, IMO. I have no stock or connection with them.. just been using there products for 30+ years. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT- FDA quiz
Dear list... the following is from ' NUTRITION ACTION HEALTHLETTER ' Which of these claims can appear on a food or supplement label without approval from the FDA.. [a] improves memory..[b] relieves stress..[c] suppresses appetite..[d] helps reduce difficulty in falling asleep.. [e] supports the immune system. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANSWERa,b,c, and e, are called "structure / function claims " and can be placed on a label with or without evidence to back it up. But,can't be misleading. FDA has never said how much evidence is needed to to substantiate a claim and not be considered misleading [d]... is considered a disease claim,and requires approval. If the wording had been ' For relief of occasional sleeplessness. ' it would not require approval. The article goes into more detail.. far more than I want to type out,perhaps due to my having a structure / function deficit,or perhaps I'm diseased ! Nonetheless it's a fine line " It's only a matter of time before structure / function claims start showing up on cookies,chips, and soft drink aisles." Or... on the beer aisle,as ' JUST ONE 12-PACK NEEDED FOR RELIEF OF OCCASIONAL SLEEPLESSNESS !! This would require no FDA approval. As the snake oil salesman of yesteryear use to BARK OUT... " If you don't belive me read the label" larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Finger Regrowth
Thanks Peter,I came to find out just what you said,and with webtv I don't have options. And a list member sent me the first page from the patents which showed just what I was remembering..thanks again for your trouble. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Finger Regrowth
Thanks Peter... While that pat. # was not the one for SILVERLON bandages, their pat. # 6097549 did show up. unfortunately I was unable to bring up the pictures of the healing process. Could be due to this lame server setup I'm using. Does anyone have the pictures ? Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Finger Regrowth
Dear List.. I've looked and looked for the pictures of the finger regrowth using SILVERLON bandages. It's no longer on their site,or I didn't find them. Also couldn't find them in the archives. Seems I remember them being posted perhaps 2 or 3 years back. If someone has them and would be kind enough to post them to the list or me I'd appreciate it.Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT..Need Bald Cure QUICK
Dear Lister's I've been cutting my hair for the past three or four years now, with relative success, using a Wall's electric clipper. The clipper has attachments that range from one inch down to BUZZZ cut. Yesterday before I gave myself a 'little trim' I took the cutter apart to clean and adjust the blades back to factory specks. Having felt things were adjusted just right I plugged that bad boy in and proceeded to see how good it would cut. Guess I did a good job as I cut a two inch wide by four inch long strip right down the side of my head. at skin level !!! @#$%^&*( I hadn't put the one inch height gage on...DUHH DUMMY. When I saw the GLOB of hair hit the floor, and looked in the mirror, it's hard to describe the feeling of disbelief Anywaysss..in the context of living it be a small wrinkle; which has already brought tears of laughter from friends., Perhaps it's a small price to pay,laughter being the best medicine... it's all good. ; ) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> New to this.. good generator?
You just missed a few replies to the same question. Several folks replied saying they are happy with the silvepuppy,so I will add my name to that list. I've had Kens Generator for 2 or 3 years now,it's a slick little puppy. I made a couple just for the fun of it,but if you want something that is sweet and simple to use to use and your time has some value,spend the 100$ and have top quality LVDC CS. Before you spend $40 on a battery type,make your own for a fraction of that cost. that's what I think. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT> Fluoride removal
Here is the best answer I could come up with on fluoride removal,from a
wet scientest friend.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Larry,
To answer the fluoride question, my initial thought was that
distillation would do it but I wondered about filtration. Here's what I
found - http://www.waterindustry.org/flouride.htm
Excerpt:
"There are four main types of filters: activated charcoal, in either
faucet units or under-the-sink units; cellulose fiber sediment filters
in under-the-sink filters; reverse osmosis under-the-sink systems; and
distillation, which uses heat to distill water.
Although each type reduces fluoride to some extent, activated charcoal,
reverse osmosis and distillation reduce the most: 81%, 84% and 99%
respectively."
But -
http://www.fluoridedebate.com/question12.html#12
Exerpt:
"The fluoride molecule is smaller than the water molecule, therefore, it
cannot be removed by filtration -only by distillation. Reverse osmosis,
however, will remove 80 to 90% of the fluoride. ("Intake and Metabolism
of Fluoride," G. Whitford, from Adv. Dental Research, 8 (1):5-14, June
1994.)"
One thing to keep in mind regarding the filtration naysayer's comment is
that an activated charcoal filter is not operating solely by pore size
restriction but also by electrochemical attraction. The age of the
filter will be important in that case.
Marcus
larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA
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CS>Fwd: OT> FLUORIDE QUESTION
... BUT HEALTH RELATED. Does anyone KNOW if there is a filter or other means to get this stuff out of tap water? [see below] if you care to. Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA --- Begin Message --- NEW YORK TOWN STOPS FLUORIDATION OF WATER, Spurred by College Faculty, Staff and Students Village trustees voted, on February 18, 2003, to halt fluoridation in Canton, New York ( http://www.canton.ny.us/ ). One hundred and thirty faculty and staff members of Canton's St. Lawrence University and 300 students petitioned the village trustees to ban fluoride from its water supply. The decision caps months of public discussion and research about whether residents' best interests were served with fluoridation, the intentional addition of cavity-preventing fluoride into water supplies. Trustee Stephen Putnam, who voted against fluoridation, said he spent much of December and January reading articles about fluoride and was concerned that fluoride accumulates in the bones, particularly for menopausal women who drink fluoridated water over many years, reported the Watertown Daily Times. Chemistry professor Paul Connett, PhD, who led the campaign to rid fluoride from Canton's tap water said, "An independent review of the literature finds that fluoridation is: · unethical (medication without patient's informed consent) · unnecessary (kids get too much fluoride from many sources) · ineffective (at best, fluoridation saves less than one tooth surface out of 128 in a child's mouth) · unsafe (fluoride accumulation can make bones brittle and joints painful) · inequitable (the poor cannot afford to avoid it, if desired) · unscientifically defended (proponents cannot defend the practice in open debate) · wasteful, literally pouring taxpayer money down the drain." Hardy Limeback, PhD, DDS, Head of Preventive Dentistry, University of Toronto, drove four hours by car, at his own expense, to give testimony. Once an avid fluoridation promoter, Limeback turned fluoridation opponent when he discovered the: a) incidence of children's dental fluorosis (fluoride discolored teeth) has risen sharply, b) benefits of fluoridation are topical, not systemic (swallowed fluoride does not prevent tooth decay), c) chemical most used in fluoridation schemes is not pharmaceutical grade, but an industrial waste-product, hexafluorosilicic acid, which the US Environmental Protection Agency admits has never been safety tested. For more information, you can contact: Dr. Paul Connett, ggvi...@northnet.org , http://www.fluoridealert.org Dr. Hardy Limeback, hardy.limeb...@utoronto.ca Attorney Paul Beeber nys...@aol.com (Reprinted with permission of the NYS Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation. http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof ) My website offers these articles on fluoridation: http://www.doctoryourself.com/fluoridation.html http://www.doctoryourself.com/fluoride_cancer.html And on care of the teeth: http://www.doctoryourself.com/teeth_tooth.html There are many fluoridation links to be found on my LINKS page at http://www.doctoryourself.com/links.html larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA --- End Message ---
CS> ionic/particle Flashback
Dear List, Perhaps I'm having a flashback. Seems I remember this same dialog turned into a nasty debate at that time, really hateful. The cause of which, I felt, was due to mixing fact with conjecture by some. While I enjoyed the exchange at that time I came to the bottom line that until double blind,placebo controlled studies are done,using pure particle and pure ionic in vivo,the conjecture will remain. Is this not true? Until then I'd like to hear fact presented as such,and extrapolations presented as just that... perhaps this will keep a meaningful dialog going. I learn more this way. AND it's all good .I like it larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Sjogren's syndrome
Dear list Does anyone have positive experience dealing with Sjogren's Syndrome? It's said to be an autoimmune disease. I've given my friend a Qt. of CS, but I think she is in for a long hard battle. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Sinus infection protocol
Dear list. I can get long winded,..see it's already happening, but I'll do my best on this. Had runny nose after cleaning moldy camper and sleeping in it. No mask ! Sprayed up my nose with CS a couple times that day. Next AM woke with slight sore throat and plugged up head, and 90.2 fever. First time I've been sick in 20 years...so I got serious. Spent the day kicked back, held and then swallowed 1oz of gator-aid and cs four times during the day / evening and with head hanging down filled my sinuses with straight CS two times ...boy that smarted. By the next AM,after a mild NIGHT FROM HELL I was blowing bloody green mucus. I had a full blown sinus infection !! DAMN... So I really, really got serious. Six or eight times I did the inverted nasal douche and held and drank eight OZ of CS with gator-aid. sprayed throat all day and asperated nose all day. lot's of green mucus. By next day I was draining clear,slight fever was gone and I never had anything but slight sore throat which would be gone in 10 mins. after CS spray. End of story... In the past I've had sinus infections put me down for a week of hell while doing ABX. All things considered I couldn't be happier with this short mild case,just wish I had jumped on it harder,sooner. Question for the big kids on the LIst,and I know it's only what you think,not medical advice could I have done better with H2O2 in the CS? If so how much per OZ. for drinking and for nasal douching... AND what about DMSO.. same Question ..drinking/nasal douching, how much per OZ. Seems like DMSO might be a little rough for nasal use,but perhaps just a little per OZ. I want both guns loaded if there is a next time. If it weren't for the learning experience I'd just as soon skipped the past few of days. ; ) PS I'm using the NEW OLD BOB from Silver Puppy,current controlled,and makes 10 to 20 PPM [depending on which lab report you want to belive] 8OZ in aprox. 50 mins. using un-seeded DW from wally mart. Actually,now that I think about it, I used the CS I had made with the original OLD BOB during the sinus infection. With the NOB you can override the auto shut off and produce 3 more PPM for every 10 more mins. cooking. I cooked a batch, by accident, for 4 hours, Lord only knows how many PPM it is and of what ,as the wires were never wiped. But it's just slightly yellow so I guess it's not to bad. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Blurb on CS
The following is from a health site I'm on.. seems to me the reason this site post is to make a buck.. I have no problem with that as long as what is being hyped works,or at the very least does no harm. Anyway here is their take on CS... seems balanced to me. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The good silver -- COLLOIDAL SILVER This is by far the most controversial agent in the armamentarium of 'natural' antibacterial agents. That may be because there is no known use for the silver ion in human biochemistry, which may in fact be the reason for its benefits. Dr. Jonathan V. Wright's research has found that bacteria have an enzyme system that is disrupted by the presence of silver ions, causing the organism to die. The effect is hardly a secret: water filters today are impregnated with silver to take advantage of the antibacterial effects. It was also commonly used as about the only hope against severe infections prior to the advent of antibiotics in the 1940's. The word 'colloid' is significant, representing very tiny amounts of the substance, as very tiny particles, suspended in a liquid. This answers a common argument about colloidal silver possibly causing a known side effect of silver overuse called argyria, which can cause a graying coloration of the skin. Amounts needed for antibacterial effect tend to be far below doses that cause argyria. Dr. Wright suggests adult doses of "1 tablespoon of colloidal silver at a 40 ppm (parts per million) concentration at the first signs of any infection and 1-2 teaspoons three to four times daily until the infection is gone. Then stop!" We'll probably never see such low-profit ideas reach the level of accepted conventional medical therapy. However, it might be worth everyone's while to get more informed about each of them in case the day actually arrives that the conventional armamentarium runs dry. Good Health, Allan N. Spreen, MD -- Doctor in the house -- larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Fwd: Early Death Comes From Drinking Distilled Water
Dear list... Well I'm still trying to get a definitive answer to DW being good or bad as drinking water. Man it's hard to KNOW things. Below is a link to what DR. Mercola has to say about it [ I notice none of his references are from science journals ] On the other hand Dr Weil says just the opposite,and that DW is what he drinks ! Any of you folks know of controlled studies dealing with this question? SEE LINK BELOW --- Begin Message --- larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA http://www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water.htm --- End Message ---
CS>OT> BLUE BOY
Well hasn't the BLUE BOY caused quite the dither; and when it so very obvious to me that he must have come to the understanding that the best way a libertarian might ever get elected, in a plutocracy, is to get folks to feel sorry for him/them. Lord knows they have tried commom sense long enough. Only thing I could suggest is that he take something to cause his eyes to become red and grow a white beard. HEY.. In the current nationalistic fervor it could work. "The will to power" [Nietzsche], exemplifies the human need to keep ones mind in a constant state of arousal.. some just have a stronger will than others... seems to me. Sorry, my tongue fell out of my cheek in the last paragraph. No sense getting serious about the human condition,... NOT ! If it weren't for the suffering it would seem ludicrous. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CSVEGAS NERVE
Connie ask"I am looking for info on the vegas nerve. More specifically the correlation between the vegas nerve and the respiratory system." >>>>>>>>> It's my understanding that the VEGAS nerve correlates to the respiratory system by producing loud squeals of delight when the jackpot is hit on a slot machine. Only women have this nerve ARGGG larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT>..Third World Medical Protocol...
OR/AND ..first world medical dictate. Dear list. While living on an island in the Bay Islands of Honduras CA a few years ago I had a minor medical problem which was solved by being sent off with several vials of medication and an equal number of syringes, by a lady MD. The instructions were mostly by sign language due to my poor command of spanish. I guess she didn't know that in the U.S. we are assumed to be inept to give ourself a shot in the bumm.. Or perhaps there is another reason that I should return to the Doc's office six times had I been in the U.S. of A. Seems to me there is incongruity, in that we are so well educated and yet well I'm sure you get the point. On a side note.. I've had a great Doc. over the years that would give me anything I wanted to take with me on my travels. I've always given these drugs to the folks I've met when leaving them behind to deal with it... I'm yet to have not cried as I escaped, I've wondered if the sorrow came from guilt of being able to leave it all behind,while knowing they didn't have the choice of us being born White in the USA On one occasion I had a full spectrum antibot. with me- that I think- save my butt while living in Patan [Kathmandu valley, Nepal]... Lord only knows what I'd contracted, but it was a week from hell. Didn't know of CS at the time. Gosh, I wonder why? ..being from a first world country. Reid.. what are you up to in Nepal? I enjoyed your post a while back when you were in India. Try and come up with a way to filter the air pollution !! The Kathmandu valley which has been referred to as "earths navel" is becoming the asshole due to the use of oil. I hung out a while with a Major in the Nepal army who felt " pollution is a sign of progress for Nepal" ... best I could ever tell he was sincere! I have often wondered if CS would be effective with leprosy- which is to say the least- a problem in Nepal. While leprosy is curable with long term multi.antibio. the infrastructure and follow thru is poor. I use to have contact with a W.H.O. DR. in Pokara that ran the Leprosy clinic there. At the time I was unaware of CS,so we never had that dialog. Keep doing GOOD Ried.. you are an inspiration... as are many on this fine list of caring folks... Namaste larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT> Fwd: The Exciting Science and Educational Store
See below for science site for litmus paper. --- Begin Message --- larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA http://store.yahoo.com/auspexcorp/index.html --- End Message ---
CS>OT >Fwd: Litmus paper to test acid/alkaline balance
So far this is the best I could come up with. But it's not for testing solutions.??? I did find a science supply site that has that. Seems strange,to me,how does the paper know that its not urine or saliva but tap water you're putting it in.??? SEE BELOW --- Begin Message --- larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA http://www.health-doc.com/products/pHpaper.html --- End Message ---
CS>SORRY MIKE [dad]
Well I'm kind of sorry,at least a lot of folks say that about me... I get the list on Digest so didn't see your request until I went to the archives,after posting. Truth is I would have posted anyway, then run off and hid. I do think this might be one of those grey areas,as I see it being very health related,but benevolent as you are, yoube the boss, BOSS. No Sir you won't hear another word from me... my lips are sealed...not another word...not one,finished,done,that's it !! larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> CO-OP = CON ??
Dear list Here's my OPINION based on the findings about "DR. JON" that were posted on our list last time we went through this. While the report "seemed" very factual I have no way of "KNOWING" if it was true or not [that's why It's only my OPINION.. just what I THINK,some folks seem to have trouble making that distinction ] AND here is what I do know. The CO-OP prices, on most of the many that I compared, are not lower than where I have been buying from the past 30 + years. And some times K-Mart is just a little cheaper still [on sale]. I just checked the Q-10 price ... co-op price, .24 per cap... my price .16 per cap.on 3 for 1 sale. Draw your own conclusion on their price claims = ethics? I get Dr. Jons news letter,which I get a kick out of.. I see him to be a likeable ROGUE .. most good CON-MEN that I've known are. ;) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Chickens on CS story
Dear listers... This came down the pike from my son-in-law. He is yet to lose a chicken since using CS for the past 9 months. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just for general info: Last week I had one of my hens show up with "sour crop", a condition that causes them to become listless, and fairly quickly lose massive amounts of weight ending in death inside a week to ten days. Typically comes from drinking contaminated water. I isolated her for one day, let her drink only CS, and she recovered in twenty four hours, back to her old self. I cleaned and bleached out the waterer, and refilled it with a diluted solution of CS, something I had slacked off doing because I haven't seen any sign of this common disorder. I used to have to go buy terramycin and treat them for several days, and I still occasionally lost one anyway. I'm thinking of installing an in-line CS injector in the water inlet, something similar to a hose-end sprayer for the yard, except I'll install an adjustable orifice where I can increase or decrease the amount that gets infused. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS > animal site for CS
Dear List would someone post the URL for the silver list used by you all using CS for your pets health problems. I have a friend who's kitten has cancer of the jaw,and she would like to ask about treatmentsthanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS > Distilled Water
Dear List Thanks to all of you who replied to my question about DW in Europe having a skull and crossbone on the label.At least in Germany this is not the case. I'm yet to hear from any other countries. Perhaps I'll do as suggested and post on a European list. I was hoping Ms. Popp would have had some replies by now from her list.Any luck yet Jennifer? At any rate it appears that the skull and crossbones was just one more piece of erroneous info. put out in order to sell something GOSH who would have ever thought !! Thanks again larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Distilled water
Dear list... does anyone know if this is true. "Did you know that every bottle of reverse osmosis, distilled, or de-ionized water sold in Europe contains a skull and crossbones on the label? Do you know that the European label states that these waters are only to be used for steam irons and batteries, and not to be given to pets? If Europeans won't drink these waters or feed them to their pets, then do you really think it's okay for you to drink them?" .. The statement comes from a site that is selling water treatment Gizze's. I've posted two folks I know,one in Prague and one in Germany and ask them to see if this is true there. If you know someone in Europe you could ask, or are in Europe and could post back to the list, I would be most interested to hear from you. Thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT> Ridiculous Statement
Hi, Ms. Popp... I'm also glad there are those able to help me know what's TRUE..as in. "But what Catherine says is a true statement." ... THANKS! But perhaps you miss my point. Which is, Assertive,declarative statements of ones opinion 'I' find rude and not conduce to meaningful discourse. With that said I must add that it's only what I THINK,...not a statement of fact. AND I don't mean to imply that Catherine is a rude person. MY EXPERIENCE of good folks is that at times the best of us can be seen as rude in the way we language ourselves Be it a Bio rhythm thingy, or what ever, in the way we show up from one day to the next [hell,one hour to the next] Seems to be part of the human condition ! [conditioned humans]... Some of us come from angry,some a lack of self worth. some grandiosely,some guilt,boredom,greed,fear,joy,ambition,love,lust,hate, neurosis,or at the less than best, personality disorders... DUH What I do THINK I know is that our reality is created linguisticly and often has little to do with "WHAT IS". Lord knows I spent years telling people what's true and what's ridiculous... I try not to do that any more... larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT> Ridiculous Statements
"Smart does not autoimatically confer common sense. That is a ridiculous statement." Catherine >>>>>>>> I'm so glad we have self or otherwise proclaimed experts on the list making declarative statements on what IS ridiculous etc. thanks larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Interesting article
Hi Marshall..yes,I found it to be an interesting article also. Seems I've seen it before.What site is it from? Here is a quote from from Dr. Microlas [sp] news letter>>>>> "I am working on a vaccine program that can be administered and will provide notice on it when my research is complete. In the meantime please recognize that many are advocating essential oils and colloidal silver for anthrax. Please understand that the CIA Biodefense microbiologist I have been in contact with does NOT recommend that. He tried them on live cultures of anthrax and they did not work.">>>> >>>>>>>>>> I seem to remember something posted on the list that stated that CS had been found to be affective against anthrax. Does anyone have a link to any such authoritative findings? larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> point of view
Well,guess I've let myself get sucked into this one. "The story is hard to believe as written. I have no problems with the cs taking care of the situation, but not the temperatures (you die at 105). John " If a statement like that,and then the pronouncement that you die at 105F isn't enough to JACK A MAN'S JAW I don't know what it would take... unless perhaps you're use to dealing with students that won't get up and punch you in the mouth for more or less calling them a LIAR ! John, I'll bet if you had been sitting in the EM club drinking a few beers and heard the story you would have had a different reply...That is of coarse if you didn't have the back up you spoke of [I'm also joking about that] So don't lurk, BUT don't forget you're not talking to kids. Now this is only what I THINK and if we were alone and sitting face to face,and you were twice my size well, I just might speak a little softer,as I learned the hard way [more than once] what my sharp tong can get me into ; ) PS... I also THINK there is no incongruity in blessing one that you feel has there head up their Bumm...guess Lee could have cursed you..I think being blessed is the better ... larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT> THE NOCEBO EFFECT
of current was used, more than two-thirds of the students reported headaches. Medical Distrust But resistance to in-depth study of the nocebo effect rests on more than ethical reservations. Belief does not have a strong place in the anatomy-centered world of modern medicine. Science is wearing away at the wall between mind and body. With the aid of high-tech imaging devices, neurologists are getting better at taking pictures of the brain in action. In one blinded study last year, researchers found that patients with Parkinson's disease given a placebo released a brain chemical called dopamine, just as the brain exposed to an active drug would do. That flood of brain chemicals, it appears, has everything to do with what the mind expects. In most cases, like the Parkinson's study, the outcome is positive -- the placebo effect in action. But for some patients -- depressed, wary of medication or worried about drug side effects -- getting a prescription filled is an angst-ridden experience. And such patients appear even more likely to exhibit those side effects. Profile Of The Kind Of Patient Likely To Experience The Nocebo Effect A patient with a history of vague, difficult-to-diagnose complaints who is sure that whatever therapy is prescribed will do little to battle the problem, those low expectations are inevitably met. The treatments usually fail. Whether you trust your doctor or not probably makes a huge difference in whether you report side effects, but there's almost no data on that. Far more esoteric factors may also shape both the placebo and nocebo response. A Dutch study, for example, found that most people considered red and orange pills to be stimulating, with blue and green-colored pills more likely to have a depressant effect. But the mind is a funny thing, and generic responses to color go just so far in explaining the placebo or nocebo response. Consider this: In Italy, blue placebos made excellent sleeping pills for women but had the opposite effect on men. The apparent reason? "The Italian national football team's color is azzurri." "Blue." The Washington Post April 30, 2002; larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Distilled Water
Dear List... I get tired of hearing folks repeating what may be nothing more than 'urban myths' regarding such things as mineral leaching caused by DW,or drinking water with a meal inhibits your ability to digest properly,etc. Below is DR Weils take on DW,but there are no references to studies ,so as far as I'm concerned it just another opinion if not referenced to science. QUESTION.; Does anyone know of a site that deals with such questions and provides the references to the studies that make it more than 'EDUCATED OPINION'?? Published 12/19/2001) First of all, let me review for the record what distilled water is it's water that has been turned into steam so its impurities are left behind. The steam is then condensed to make pure water. The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria, viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants. Once distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be. For reasons I don't understand, any number of myths some quite extreme have grown up over the years about distilled water. A quick Internet search today will take you to sites that put forth such views as "distilled water leads to early death." Nonsense. One claim holds that distillation removes all of water's beneficial minerals. While it's true that distillation removes minerals as well as various contaminants from water, we don't know that the human body can readily absorb minerals from water. We get our minerals from food, not water. By one manufacturer's estimate, you would have to drink 676 eight-ounce glasses of tap water in Boston to reach the RDA for calcium. Your question as to whether distilled water leaches minerals out of the body reflects another persistent myth. While pure water helps to remove minerals from the body that cells have eliminated or not used, it does not "leach" out minerals that have become part of your body's cell structure. Neither does distilled water cause your teeth to deteriorate, a false claim made by a filter manufacturer looking to boost sales. As far as acidity goes, distilled water is close to a neutral pH and has no effect on the body's acid/base balance. I hope I've set your mind at ease. Distilled water not only isn't dangerous, it's the purest form of water. It's also the kind of water I drink. Dr. Andrew Weil larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> DISTILLED WATER.
This may be of interestOnce again the question of DW leaching Minerals is being presented as fact by a very widely read medical Guru [see Dr. Mercola's [sp] comments. Sure would like to see the studies backing up point blank statements of FACT!! One of the folks on this list made the point that the body system is to sophisticated to allow this to happen...not much chance of "knowing" without some science or clinical studies,..even then it's hard to KNOW.. epistemology is interesting ,I think. Anyway.. if you will. see below. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<< Finally, Physical Proof that Distilled Water is Inferior E-mail to a friend Dr. Masaru Emoto, a visionary researcher from Japan received certification from the Open International University as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine. Subsequently he was introduced to the concept of micro cluster water in the US and Magnetic Resonance Analysis technology. The quest thus began to discover the mystery of water. He undertook extensive research of water around the planet not so much as a scientific researcher but more from the perspective of an original thinker. At length he realized that it was in the frozen crystal form that water showed us its true nature. Distilled WaterWater from a pure source Dr Emoto began by studying the crystallization process of water It all started in 1994 when he took samples of water from various sources, froze a few droplets, examined them under a dark field microscope and photographed them. He photographed the crystal formations produced by water as it passes from liquid into freezing state. It is like taking a snapshot of the water at that moment in time. He quickly realized that the crystals that formed from water depended highly on the natural health of the water. In other words, water from natural springs, healing water sources etc, formed beautiful and complex crystalline geometries - like snowflakes. Water that had been distilled, polluted or passed through consumption had lost its inner order. This leads to the realization that natural healthy water carries an 'inner order' defining its nature and properties. Dr. Masaru EmotoArticle compiled from 3 Web sites: GodsDirectContact.org CoCreach Resources The Spirit of Maat DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: E-mail to a friend In April I attended the SkaSys lecture by Dr. Hans Lechner. This amazing technology allows one to successfully harness consciousness as a diagnostic and therapeutic tool. Dr. Lechner shared detailed of his recent meeting with Dr. Emoto and it became clear that this technology could clearly demonstrate the danger of distilled water at a clear and easily seen level. Although it is controversial I am firmly convinced that distilled water is harmful to your health. One of the major foundational reasons is that distilled water is highly acidic. Most of us are far too acidic already and the last thing we need to be drinking is a fluid that will make us even more acidic. Distilled water is alleged to be beneficial due to its lack of contaminants. Well, many of the devices that distill water are made of metal and will actually add certain toxic metals like nickel back to the water, which actually worsens health. Since distilled water is like a vacuum without any minerals, it will actually leach beneficial minerals from your body to balance it out. While this maybe beneficial for a short period during some sort of detoxification regimen, this is usually highly counter productive in the long run. Then there is the physics of the water. Water is structured and when it is distilled the structure becomes profoundly disturbed as you can see by the pictures above. It is possible to restructure the water by putting it in a clear glass container, adding a few minerals and leaving it out in the sunshine for a day. This will help to restore the normal beneficial structure that water should have to promote health. I believe it was the Asians who popularized the saying that one picture is worth a thousand words, so please enjoy the pictures which will help you appreciate the difference between natural spring water and distilled water. Related Articles: Visual Evidence of the Power of Prayer, Gratitude and Appreciation Return to Table of Contents #322 larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT>Malignant Melanoma
Dear list...10 years ago I went to University of Fla. dermatologist dept. to have what I recognized to be a possible melanoma..they wanted to biopsie part of the 4mm spot...no way pal !! and had them take a 9mm chunk which was the max out patient they could do. Test came back positive showing one cancer cell around a hair follicle...[ what if the part they wanted to take didn't have the cell??? I would have been given a neg. report.] End of story [so far] I had a centimeter more removed and tested,which was clean. So here is what my subsequent research turned up... Science news 6/21/87... melanomas that have metastasis have been held in check by [they think] the immune system for more than 15 years. ARGG I wish I could find the reference to the study that showed a link between melanomas and chlorine,but that's what it said. as I remember.. BONG, the light went on... I had bought a hot tub in1992 and use to get the chlorine so strong it would burn my eyesDUH DUDE.. DUH. As Jason said, and I can relate to,adversity can be a positive thing.. I've become very health conscious,and as a result came to this list,which has been one of the more positive consequence. I also came to wonder about the other possible ill effects of chlorine with, perhaps, a connection to other cancers. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT>St. Johns Wort
Here's one CS fans.. Schempp C. M et al. (2002). Inhibition of tumour cell growth by hyperforin, a novel anticancer drug from St John's wort that acts by induction of apoptosis. Oncogene, 21:1242-1250. Cancer cells thrive because in addition to engaging their proliferative machinery they also suppress intrinsic cell death pathways. Signals that in normal cells result in the triggering of apoptosis fail to do so in cancer cells, often because of the acquired mutations in apoptotic pathways. Inducing apoptosis in the treatment of cancer is therefore a promising therapeutic opportunity. Indeed, many anticancer drugs that have different modes of action have one thing in common they kill cancer cells by triggering apoptosis. Recently, Schempp et al. demonstrated that St John's wort could join the ranks of anticancer drugs. St John's wort is a popular over-the-counter mood enhancer venerated by natural medicine enthusiasts. One of the active ingredients of St John's wort, the phloroglucin-derivative hyperforin, is a natural antibiotic that inhibits the growth of several Gram-positive bacteria. Schempp et al. now demonstrate that hyperforin also acts as a potent anticancer drug both in vitro and in vivo. The authors first evaluated the antiproliferative potential of hyperforin in 16 different human and rat cancer cell lines. In all but one case, hyperforin inhibited the growth of cancer cell lines even though many of these cell lines were resistant to other cytostatic drugs such as vincristine, paclitaxel and camptothecin. Analysis of the mode of action of hyperforin revealed that it killed cancer cells by inducing apoptosis that could be blocked by the caspase inhibitor zVAD.fmk. In fact, the treatment of cells with hyperforin resulted in the induction of caspase-3 and caspase-9 but not caspase-8, suggesting that hyperforin could have an effect on an intrinsic, mitochondria-mediated cell death pathway. Indeed, the mitochondria of hyperforin-treated cells underwent rapid loss of membrane potential. Interestingly, this loss of membrane potential could not be blocked by the pre-incubation of cells with zVAD.fmk. Instead, the treatment of cells with hyperforin induced a rapid release of cytochrome c from the mitochondria (the release of cytochrome c is essential for the initiation of mitochondria-mediated apoptosis). These results suggest that hyperforin acts by facilitating the release of cytochrome c (and perhaps other pro-apoptotic molecules) from mitochondria which in turn activates the apoptosome-associated caspase-9 and triggers the caspase cascade. Importantly, the activity of hyperforin was not limited to cultured cancer cells. When rats injected with rat mammary carcinoma cells were treated with hyperforin, it inhibited tumor growth to a similar extent as paclitaxel. Significantly, there was a complete lack of toxicity associated with the hyperforin treatment. The discovery of a new anticancer drug is often accompanied by inflated claims of its therapeutic potential. Hyperforin, however, appears to fulfill several prerequisites for a good drug candidate: (1) it seems to have activity against a wide spectrum of cancer cells, (2) it has little or no toxicity, and (3) it can be easily obtained in large quantities from St John's wort which is abundant throughout the world. Although it may be too soon to celebrate, the antitumour activity of hyperforin, and St John's wort, is quite promising and warrants further investigations. All Commentary articles are free to BioMedNet members larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT> Noni
Good morning all. Since my post got cut from the digest list,and I have had several off list request for the URL, where the 3 for 1 sale is..here it is... WWW.HSVITAMINS.COM They have both the Tahitian Noni juice @ 3, 32oz bottles for $34.95, ( 3 month supply ) and the Hawaiian Noni caps @ 3, 100 cap bottles for $19.95. ( I take 2 per day for inflammation,don't know about all the other claims,but it sure works for pain) Below is the post that got cut. Once again I have no financial interest. /// Well dear listers, like a lot of the things we talk about on this wonderful list. it's subjective. I took the $40 a month MLM Noni from the MLM, that uses the name MORINDA as their trade mark, for 4 months,and I've used the $6.50 a month freeze dried caps. for more than five years. I take it for inflammation,as have several folks I know. Perhaps I'm saving the $35 a month because of the placebo effect,and that's fine with me. I would think that 2/3's of the others I know wound not have had the same pain relief if it was a placebo. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof if you will please send any peer reviewed, replicated, DB studies that show the MLM Noni to have out preformed the "brand X". Sure, it might screw up my $6.50 placebo,but I'm open to learn... And I must say ...I do have a bit of trouble with MLM statements,like "NONE COMPARE" None compare to what Perhaps their talking about the $40 PRICE. ; ) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT> NONI
Well dear listers, like a lot of the things we talk about on this wonderful list. it's subjective. I took the $40 a month MLM Noni from the MLM, that uses the name MORINDA as their trade mark, for 4 months,and I've used the $6.50 a month freeze dried caps. for more than five years. I take it for inflammation,as have several folks I know. Perhaps I'm saving the $35 a month because of the placebo effect,and that's fine with me. I would think that 2/3's of the others I know wound not have had the same pain relief if it was a placebo. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof if you will please send any peer reviewed, replicated, DB studies that show the MLM Noni to have out preformed the "brand X". Sure, it might screw up my $6.50 placebo,but I'm open to learn... And I must say ...I do have a bit of trouble with MLM statements,like "NONE COMPARE" None compare to what Perhaps their talking about the $40 PRICE. ; ) larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>OT>NONI
Last time noni came up I posted the following// Been using it for control of pain and inflammation for about 5 years now,and have turned several others on to it. All say the same thing..."that stuff really works" I've gone off of it 3 times just to see what's up and after 3 or 4 days all the things that use to devil me start coming back..trauma related.It's strange how quick I forget how I use to hurt. I recently found out that studies show all sorts of benefits.. cancer, high BP etc. The net in full of info. I was giving $40 a bottle from a MLM at first, but now, once again Puritans Pride or healthsmart has the best price I've found... $35 for 3 bottles of juice..or $20 for the cap's..[3 for 1 sale] [3 month supply] I find the caps work as well as the juice.// I might add that I have found no difference between the Tahiti and Hawaiian;seems Morinda Citrifolia is Morinda Citrifolia regardless of where it comes from. Sure hope they don't run out of those little buggers. If you are taking it for pain caused by chronic inflammation don't expect it to be like aspirin. Take it for 3 months and then stop,if all the aches and pains come back after a few days. it's working. Personally it's the best $6.50 a month I spend.. PS.. the spring 3 for 1 sale is now on at Healthsmart.. 1-800-645-1030.or on line. ...AND, I have no financial interest larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> CHELATION
Hey Ole Bob... yep I read the whole thing,that's why I posted it. The FDA is sure not my favorite organization. Would be nice if they could keep the things off the market that are harmful ,which they often fail to do, but skip the efficacy testing and leave it to me to say if it works or not, and if not, I'll deal with it..I'm a big boy now. Below is a FDA abstract on silver... sure wish they would speak about elec.CS. I'd like to read the whole study. Can you request [and receive] studies from them <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Silver products for medical indications: risk-benefit assessment. Fung MC, Bowen DL J Toxicol Clin Toxicol 1996 34:119-26 BROWSE : J Toxicol Clin Toxicol Volume 34 Issue 1VIEW : MEDLINE, full MEDLINE, related records Abstract BACKGROUND: Legitimate medicinal use of silver-containing products has dramatically diminished over the last several decades. Recently, however, some manufacturers have begun to enthusiastically promote oral colloidal silver proteins as mineral supplements and for prevention and treatment of many diseases. Indiscriminate use of silver products can lead to toxicity such as argyria. OBJECTIVE: To assist health care professionals in a risk versus benefit assessment of over-the-counter silver-containing products, we herein examine the following issues: historical uses, chemistry, pharmacology, clinical toxicology, case reports of adverse events in the literature, and the recent promotion of over-the-counter silver products. Other sources of silver exposure (including environmental and dietary) and EPA exposure standards are discussed. A list of currently available silver products is provided for easy reference and screening. CONCLUSIONS: We emphasize the lack of established effectiveness and potential toxicity of these products. MeSH Animal; Argyria; Female; Human; Male; Maximum Allowable Concentration; Risk Assessment; Silver Compounds; Silver Proteins; Treatment Outcome CAS Registry Number (Substance Name) 0 (Silver Compounds) 0 (Silver Proteins) Author Address Center of Drug Evaluation and Research, Food and Drug Administration, Rockville, Maryland, USA. Abstracted by Journal Article; Review; Review, TutorialPublication Type Journal Article; Review; Review, TutorialISSN 0731-3810Country UNITED STATESLanguage engJournal Code KANDate of Entry 19960701Entry Month 199607Journal Subset AIM; IMClass Update Date 2000Last Revision Date 20001218Unique Identifier 96223892 Resea larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> Chelation study
of sample size and statistical power using standard deviation of 80 and it was actually over 170 in both groups. The study was therefore underpowered and unable to show any significant results, positive or negative. The authors clearly indicate that in their conclusions. One third of the patients did not even have angina, and the ST changes on treadmill used as an endpoint are nonspecific, with many false positive and false negatives in practice. This was not addressed in the reported results. Almost twice as many patients in the placebo group received antianginal drugs (beta and calcium blockers, nitrates, etc.) and angina was one of the endpoints. Nowhere do the authors state that they have evidence that EDTA was not effective. They merely state that they found "no evidence to support" EDTA, confirming that their study is underpowered and unable to show any significant results, beneficial or not. In other words it is not a negative study, it is not a positive study, it is junk science. There is a final statement at the end of the article, "... larger trials with a broader range of patients will be needed assess the safety and impact of EDTA...," again confirming what they said in the opening abstract, the study was inadequate to show any impact, beneficial or otherwise. So why did they publish a study when the authors clearly state that it is unscientific and statistically so underpowered that it cannot demonstrate anything of meaning? Especially after measuring a wide variance of readings (high standard deviation) that was more than twice their assumption when selecting a sample size. Perhaps the many lucrative full-page color advertisements for cardiovascular drugs and statins throughout the journal give us a clue. This is not a definitive analysis and we have not had time to dissect the published article in detail, but the fact that the authors nowhere state that this is a negative study and admit that there were not enough patients studied to form any conclusion is a good beginning. Related Articles: Surgical Procedure May Not Be Worth the Risk Excess Iron Damages Blood Vessels Homocysteine Link To Heart Disease Five Blood Risk Factors for Coronary Heart Disease Return to Table of Contents #296 larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS> sore cracked hands
Steven.. I don't have address's of CS vendors,but there are several on this list. I'm sure they will be glad to post their url's. And a web search will turn up more. If you're going to be using much of it,like for soaking your hands,you may be better off buying a generator. Ken at www.silverpuppy.com makes a slick little unit for $75 USD. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> Cracked sore hands
Been meaning to post this.. My son -in-laws hands were in the worst shape I've ever seen, from years of wrenching on air craft. Working in solvents,oils etc. and the elements. There were heavily callused and always cracked and split open.. very painful. He started wearing rubber gloves a couple years ago 24 hours a day with the creams and other stuff the Doc's gave him, with no results. Three months ago I started making him CS and he would pour it in his gloves and soak his hands in CS in the evenings after a month or so the solid mass of callus started to break down and peal off. He said that there was a rotten smell coming from them ?? His hands are now perhaps 98% clear. I've had my hands in bad shape before so I know what he means when he said " Dad ,this has given me a whole new lease on life !" Was it the CS ?? Due to the fact that for 2 years of wearing the rubber glove which kept his hands soaked in sweat anyway,andwith no changeI'd guess it was the CS ! larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>SC> Supplement pricing
.. a can of worms,at the least. Thanks for the following info you sent Dave. >>>> Larry you might try Beyond a century inc. Figuring the number of tablets and the potency their prices are about one half that of Hsvitimins even with their big sale. That is on the things I use anyway. http://www.beyond-a-century.com That's where I get most of my stuff and they send a catalog with each order that has a paragraph on the use and dosage of each product. Helps you decide if your looking for something different without days of searching (I have no connection with them either) Dave >>>>>>>> I'll be darn if some of their prices aren't a tad better on 2 of the 6 things I checked MG for MG,and 4 out of 6 were way out of line..2 /3 times more if you care to check B-50...E. Noni ...Q-10 etc. you'll see what I'm saying and one item was called natural so I can see how they would be more. I requested their catalog , Could be a cut above in quality...Thanks again for the site. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> NONI
Nancy ask...Larry, When you say trauma related, do you mean an accident that left injuries that have not healed? Nancy... >>>>>>> Never thought about it that way,and perhaps 'injuries that have not healed', or at least properly, may be so. I would guess with the proper psy. therapy [ post trauma's ] I'd be in better shape now. Soft tissue injury and the scar tissue that results can be a problem a miss spent youth may be the best spent youth...and then you deal with it. It's all good! ?? A couple folks I've turned on to NONI have had positive results with arthritis pain. When I over do I still know it,so it's not like your numb... this is good. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> OT> NONI
Dear List.I've felt remiss for having not shared my experience with noni..I'll keep it short. Been using it for control of pain and inflammation for about 5 years now,and have turned several others on to it. All say the same thing..."that stuff really works" I've gone off of it 3 times just to see what's up and after 3 or 4 days all the things that use to devil me start coming back..trauma related.It's strange how quick I forget how I use to hurt. I recently found out that studies show all sorts of benefits.. cancer, high BP etc. The net in full of info. I was giving $40 a bottle from a MLM at first, but now, once again Puritans Pride or healthsmart has the best price I've found... $35 for 3 bottles of juice..or $20 for the cap's..[3 for 1 sale] [3 month supply] I find the caps work as well as the juice. Thats it folks... larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> CFS
Thanks to all for the info. and suggestions regarding CFS. I'll pass it on and provide the CS if she chooses. L-Glutathione and N-Acetyl Cysteine can be bought at what I'll bet is as good a price as you'll find during the 3 for 1 sale going on now,from HealthSmart www.hsvitamins.com / or 1- 800-645-1030 for catalog. [I have no connection with them ] If anyone can find better prices on supplements I'd like to know. Speaking of which..I haven't heard much from "Dr" Jon lately.. guess his mail order bride has his attention ;-) I can relate to that !! larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> CFS
Dear list.. I found the following about CFS. Sounds like CS would be well worth a try. If anyone has suggestions on how much , how often , and for how long,I'd appreciate hearing,as the lady I know who has been diagnosed with CFS is going down the tube and the family is falling apart. Thanks <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<< 10/28/98 NEW HYPOTHESIS PROPOSED FOR CAUSE OF CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Researchers here have proposed a new theory for the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) -- one that blames the illness both on a low-level viral infection and on the body's own immune response to that virus. If true, it would offer an explanation for why virologists so far haven't found evidence of a common virus when looking at a population of CFS patients. The hypothesis was included in a paper published in the current issue of the American Journal of Medicine. The new theory, proposed by Ronald Glaser, professor of medical microbiology and immunology, and Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, professor of psychology and psychiatry at Ohio State University, is the latest work in more than two decades of their research on the effects of stress on the human immune system. "Our data suggests that stress may be causing the expression of certain viral proteins and that these proteins may be modulating the body's immune response, turning it on or off," Glaser said. CFS was first characterized by researchers in the mid-1980s who described it as a combination of symptoms including low-grade fevers, body aches, malaise, and depression among other signs. The condition seems more prevalent among young adult women. Those diagnosed with CFS often experience stress and depression. Symptoms routinely linger for six months or more and may continue for years. The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that CFS may affect anywhere from four to 10 of every 100,000 people in the United States. Other researchers have reported higher-than-normal titers of antibodies to various latent viruses -- Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegalovirus, human herpes virus 6, for example -- in the blood of patients diagnosed as having CFS. But no one viral infection was present in all patients -- evidence that would be needed to prove a viral cause of the illness. The Ohio State researchers' new theory poses several mechanisms that might be linked to CFS. Once a person is infected, these viruses can remain latent in the body for long periods of time. Glaser proposes that the viruses could be partially reactivated, that is, viral proteins could be produced at levels high enough to cause a low-grade infection but too low to be seen using current laboratory assays. Glaser and Kiecolt-Glaser suggest that CFS patients may experience an ongoing, low-grade viral infection -- more like a smoldering fire rather than a three-alarm blaze -- which could stimulate parts of the immune response without raising antibody titers to typically high levels. That low-grade infection would be enough to increase production of various cytokines -- chemical mediators for the immune system -- and begin the immune response. "A lot of the symptoms that you find in chronic fatigue syndrome are the same ones induced by cytokines during our normal immune response," Glaser said. He admits that studies of patients have yet to show a pattern of abnormal cytokine behavior that would substantiate their theory but he has an explanation for that. "We haven't discovered all the cytokines involved in immunity. We may not have found the right one, yet," he said, adding that new cytokines are steadily being identified. Stress and depression may be playing a related role as well, Kiecolt-Glaser said. Earlier research has repeatedly shown that increased stress and depression can reactivate latent viruses, decrease the body's immune response, and stimulate the production of certain cytokines linked to some CFS-like symptoms. "Part of this is a chicken-and-egg problem," Kiecolt-Glaser said. "People diagnosed with CFS often are depressed since they're unable to carry out normal, daily activities. What we don't know is whether the depression followed the diagnosis of CFS or if CFS contributed to it. "We do know, however, that this kind of depression can weaken our immune response." Glaser said researchers need to reconsider past work on CFS. "We need to look for immune system changes that are much more subtle and specific than those we've been using as benchmarks," he said. # Contact: Ronald Glaser, (614) 292-5526; glase...@osu.edu; Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, (614) 293-5120, kiecolt-glase...@osu.edu Written by Earle Holland, (614) 292-8384; hollan...@osu.edu larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of coll
CS> DR. Weils on DW
Dear list #2 Seems Dr.Weil is in agreement with the big kids, on this list, regarding DW now if he would check out CS closer perhaps he'd come on board with a little less of the FDA concisest. NOT. I think I under stand how his hands are tied ...he walks a fine line... I remember hearing Tim Leary at UFla. during his early prison release college lecture tour, ;-0 ,,,promote government agenda of the time; ie. the space race spending..drug war spending.and on and on. The good doctor wanted out of the Can and coped.. no problem for me,I've always done what I want to. BUT a while back someone posted ; 'they were on a three month wait list to see Dr. Weil, and called to confirm the apt . after two months.They were told he no longer did office calls. I hated to hear that. [not the 'no more office calls' ,but that his office didn't call to cancel apts.] guess it can get hard to keep up. <<<>>> Is Distilled Water Dangerous? "Is drinking distilled water dangerous? I've read that it's harmful because distilled water easily becomes acidic and supposedly robs the body of important minerals. True?" -- Joe Pietron (Published 12/19/2001) First of all, let me review for the record what distilled water is it's water that has been turned into steam so its impurities are left behind. The steam is then condensed to make pure water. The process of distillation kills and removes virtually all bacteria, viruses, heavy metals, and other organic and inorganic contaminants. Once distilled, the water is as pure as water can reasonably be. For reasons I don't understand, any number of myths some quite extreme have grown up over the years about distilled water. A quick Internet search today will take you to sites that put forth such views as "distilled water leads to early death." Nonsense. One claim holds that distillation removes all of water's beneficial minerals. While it's true that distillation removes minerals as well as various contaminants from water, we don't know that the human body can readily absorb minerals from water. We get our minerals from food, not water. By one manufacturer's estimate, you would have to drink 676 eight-ounce glasses of tap water in Boston to reach the RDA for calcium. Your question as to whether distilled water leaches minerals out of the body reflects another persistent myth. While pure water helps to remove minerals from the body that cells have eliminated or not used, it does not "leach" out minerals that have become part of your body's cell structure. Neither does distilled water cause your teeth to deteriorate, a false claim made by a filter manufacturer looking to boost sales. As far as acidity goes, distilled water is close to a neutral pH and has no effect on the body's acid/base balance. I hope I've set your mind at ease. Distilled water not only isn't dangerous, it's the purest form of water. It's also the kind of water I drink. Related Links: Water Distillation: Myths and Facts Dr. Andrew Weil Top 10 Q&A's: Click Here to see the 10 most recent Q&A's to appear on DrWeil.com. Q&A Library: Looking for an old question? Curious about other topics? Click here for Dr. Weil's complete library of questions and answers. Related Questions: Too Much Water? Drink More Water? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> O2 research
flammatory disease.Grisham, meanwhile, investigates the role free radicals play in sustaining inflammatory disease like rheumatoid arthritis, colitis, and inflammatory bowel disease. Grisham states that while an infection or autoimmune problem can trigger these disorders, his notion is that free radicals keep the problem going over long periods of time. Grisham's work is an example of just how far the society has come. While its first decade was devoted mainly to reactive oxygen species, scientists now understand that large amounts of reactive nitrogen, also produced during metabolism, and a host of other molecules may be destructive as well. In one line of research, Grisham's lab is studying the genes activated by oxygen and nitrogen species in hopes of understanding their role in modulating immune responses. In another set of studies, he is using animal models to learn if and how reactive oxygen and nitrogen initiate or sustain inflammatory disease. "What are the mechanisms for damaging the joint in arthritis?" he asks. "We think that oxidative and nitrosative stress and a cocktail of damaging free radicals are involved." Frei advocates increased dietary intake of antioxidants.Oxygen Society president-elect Balz B. Frei, director of the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University, meanwhile, is studying the antioxidant effects of vitamin E. At the forefront of a national effort to raise the recommended daily amounts of certain antioxidant micronutrients above present levels, Frei has produced an impressive body of literature documenting the health benefits of increasing our intake of the antioxidant vitamin E. Other members have done likewise for another antioxidant, vitamin C. As for the future of the society and its members, Grisham notes that the goal is to intervene where nature has left off. "There is only so much we can do with jungle juice biology," he says. "We have to make better, more potent antioxidants in the lab." When the job has been done, predicts Grisham, we may not live any longer than we would have, otherwise, but we will live out our years in a state of better fitness and health. Antiaging research will be highlighted at the 2002 annual meeting.The society is pushing these plans along. It expects some 700 researchers from around the world at its November 2002 meeting in San Antonio, where there will be a focus on antiaging research, among other things. Moreover, in its colossal battle against the "dark side" of oxygen (not to mention nitrogen), the society is not alone. Executive director Lindeman points out that his group has allies. At the international level, the Oxygen Society represents North and South America within the International Society for Free Radical Research (SFRR International), he says. SFRR International currently has four regional members societies: SFRR Europe, SFRR Asia, SFRR Australasia, and the Oxygen Society itself. And smaller groups feed in. There is an oxygen club of scientists in Greater Washington, D.C., and another, smaller but like-minded club in California, just down the road. Pamela Weintraub is a former staff writer at Discover, former editor-in-chief of Omni Internet, and the author of 15 books on health and science. Matt Morrow is a freelance illustrator from Omaha, Nebraska. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
